also-manga

[stone terrace]

Im seriously not even sure imu even registered garp

[ocean totem]

No, if that's not what you're saying then you misunderstood the topic

[trim lily]

dragon was definitely one of the highlights in god valley

[grand flower]

I said he constantly undermines them

[stone terrace]

Like remember the wg just sees these guys as insects

[trim lily]

it was very nice getting to see the pov of a grunt

[grand flower]

And encouraging them to attack Saturn was one instance of that

[dense haven]

flashback dragon mogs current dragon

[tranquil blade]

I mean he is doing something, it's just not an aura moment kind of thing

[leaden rivet]

I missed the leak discussion this week unfortunately, what did we think of Harald this chapter

[ocean totem]

You're also still arguing against me saying he doesn't just go around saying this and it only happened for this extremely specific scenario

[keen quiver]

"Disobeye the celestials fuck whatever they say. Do your own thing !"

[wraith mantle]

dragon was all right, rocks was the star of the show tho

[stone terrace]

It wasnt pretty

[trim lily]

lots of people have been ragging on him lol

[hazy turret]

I need aura and hype

[leaden rivet]

Piratefolk seems to hate him more than they hate Oden now

[ocean totem]

Suggesting you believe this is something that he just does whenever

[grand flower]

Garp focusing his lesson on emphasizing that the Navy exists to protect innocent people also undermines tehir corruption

[tranquil blade]

A little pathetic but I do feel for him slightly

[leaden rivet]

So must be pretty bad

[trim lily]

the reception to harald feels worse than when garp arrived to god valley

[ocean totem]

Do you agree that while Garp is willing to say fuck the Celestial Dragons, he's only ever told anyone else to attack them in this very specific scenario and very few others, if ever?

[hazy turret]

Pathetic world government simping that puts greenbull to shame

[grand flower]

Garp threatening Sengoku and disparaging propaganda in the presence of other Marines also undermines their corruption

[dense haven]

harold stocks in the mud

[ocean totem]

Shiiiit true, they really would kill everyone under him too probably

[grand flower]

I'm not about to address a counterargument to something I nevr said

[frozen ravine]

Harald is a bad character because he has humanizing flaws instead of hype moments and aura smh 😞😞😞

[leaden rivet]

Him breaking his horns to grovel was unexpected I thought it would be related to Ida’s inevitable death

[ocean totem]

You've been arguing against it for like ten minutes my dude

[tranquil blade]

I think Harald has good intentions but is taking his pacifism too far to the point where he can be taken advantage of, but that is kinda obvious

[leaden rivet]

But I guess they’ll break him down further

[ocean totem]

I keep saying it and you keep disagreeing

[hazy turret]

Empty words, they don’t care about what garp says because at the end of the day they benefit more from him than they are threatened

[ocean totem]

So you are now arguing this lol

[trim lily]

i am really curious how ida will die

[sick dust]

Innocent people are definitely being saved here alright

[frozen ravine]

I don't think she's dead

[trim lily]

no shot she isnt

[grand flower]

I said Garp undermines their efforts to corrupt the Marines and I listed multiple instances of him doing so

[leaden rivet]

Let’s at least be fair and recognize this is not at all the basis of criticisms to him

[ocean totem]

No no, you've been trying to argue about specifically the "tell everyone to attack Celestial Dragons" bit

[grand flower]

You're the one who took it to mean that I said Garp has told them to attack CDs multiple times

[grand flower]

Which he did do

[ocean totem]

This wasn't a misunderstanding, you keep posting about the incident and disagreeing with what I said

[grand flower]

It's one example

Which I have clarified to you

[frozen ravine]

It's like 90% it feels like

[ocean totem]

It's one time, ever, that we see

[grand flower]

Move on with your argument now

[ocean totem]

You disagree when I point that out

You were being silly

[dense haven]

people are foaming in the mouth to see ida croak yall a bunch of body bags

[ocean totem]

The backtrack is appreciated, but you see how you argued yourself into a hole here

[urban lodge]

Harald bad because he betrayed Rocks and Rocks is the only good character in op

[grand flower]

I didn't lmao

[urban lodge]

There we go, summed it up

[trim lily]

something something it builds character

[wet condor]

That's about how people see it

[grand flower]

I said Garp has undermined their influence multiple times

[wraith mantle]

no one said that

[somber flare]

She's on the astral world

[wraith mantle]

they mad at him for the slave line thing

[leaden rivet]

Harald’s bad because he’s a fool, he’s put everything on the line willing to be a slave to the absolute power of the WG, in doing so he’s practically selling out his own country.

[trim lily]

all of our hopes and dreams are in the heaven realm

[frozen ravine]

Rocks looks like he doesn't shower, I'd side with the WG too. If he wants to be treated like a professional he should dress and act like one

[ocean totem]

And when I point out he only told them to attack the Celestial Dragons one time...you disagreed over and over again

[wraith mantle]

althought you lowkey aint wrong, harald a bitch for ditching rocks

[ocean totem]

I've been specific about it my dude

[sage temple]

Loki was up der

[leaden rivet]

Harald didn’t owe rocks shit

[wet condor]

Harald made the mistake of being a guy with good intentions but having some vulnerabilities and being flawed lol

[leaden rivet]

Im surprised he even considered him a friend

[trim lily]

yeah rocks wasnt exactly a great friend

[wet condor]

Sounds kind of corny but that's true

[wraith mantle]

"closest friend"

[ocean totem]

Xebec was great for a party

Like I'm sure Harald loved having him around because he was the life of it

[grand flower]

I disagreed with you saying that we can't extrapolate that Garp regularly attempts to undermine their influence

[wraith mantle]

yall need to take it up with oda

[dense haven]

tbf he was gonna get murked if he went to help

[urban lodge]

If only Loki told Harald what Rocks did to him

[wet condor]

If you're any of these types of characters, the fandom will HATE your ass at some point lol

[leaden rivet]

Don’t know what this was all about. Most of their conversations was Harald trying to get rocks to fuck off

[grand flower]

You misundertood that as me saying that Garp told them to attack CDs multiple times

[frozen ravine]

Imagine if vladimir Putin showed up to the Whitehouse in a leather jacket with no shirt that's rocks trying to team up with harald

[wet condor]

Well he said what he said

[sage temple]

He'd be mad for Harald being so sensitive about it

[ocean totem]

I never said this, and when we went on about it I was very specifically pointing out the telling people to attack others, and then you posted about the chapter showing it. You knew what you were doing

[wet condor]

No reason for him to lie about that

[sage temple]

Harald would act like the Rocks haters

[urban lodge]

Now Oda is trying to gaslight us into thinking they were besties

[somber flare]

Harald was playing too hard to get and then regretted it later

[stone terrace]

Harald was willing to kill his "closest" friend (twice) in order to impress people that had no respect for him to attain a goal that was wholly unnecessary

[wraith mantle]

yet he still hosted him in his castle every time

[stone terrace]

Yeah fuck you dude

[somber flare]

Sounds like a Dhar mann title

[wet condor]

lmaooooo

[ocean totem]

NEW HEADCANON

[wet condor]

Icon's right

[ocean totem]

Harald threw the fight 'cause he didn't have the heart to actually kill Xebec

[leaden rivet]

Not denying canon. Just feel it’s strange.

[tranquil blade]

I think Harald didnt even entirely disagree with what Xebec said about the government but not only did he think that likely nothing Xebec would do would actually make the world improve, but he also was wrestling with his nation's troubling past that he wanted to make amends for

[frozen ravine]

I thought Harald threw the god valley fight

[wet condor]

Okay good point

[ocean totem]

He also wanted peace

[trim lily]

he did throw it

[ocean totem]

He was just done with the race war

[wraith mantle]

haralds lowkey had no friends

[trim lily]

yeah

[hazy turret]

I think he’s fueled by guilt. Guilt because of the violent giant history. Guilt for basically selling out his friend. That’s why he’s going as hard as he is for his goal now because he knows if it doesn’t happen then he betrayed his friend for nothing

[wet condor]

There was no race war

[wraith mantle]

kinda hard to make friends when you a reformist king

[stone terrace]

He definitely threw the second one but the fact that there even eas a second one

[wet condor]

You tripping Bean lol

[urban lodge]

Tbf yeah I guess he's automatically his best friend since he's his only friend

[sage temple]

He had Rocks and sold the bag

[frozen ravine]

The giants pillaging their neighbors was the race war

[wraith mantle]

larald his new name

[tranquil blade]

Yeah he didnt wanna go to war against the WG because he knew how many people would die, it's also kinda antithetical to his whole thing about making Elbaph less war-centric

[sage temple]

Harald should've listened to Loki

[wraith mantle]

bitch ass mf

[sick dust]

He had one but he turned him away just to be in good graces for the WG.

[ocean totem]

I mean human vs giant's been in the bag for a while no?

[urban lodge]

Weren't you defending him yesterday

[wet heron]

Toadcashi cookin lmaooo rare Ws

[trim lily]

not really a war, more just the giants thinking theyre all better than the humans

[wraith mantle]

harald my boy but i will slander him a bit for what happened in this chapter

[ocean totem]

And humans hating on them

[sage temple]

If only Harald listened to Loki

[hazy turret]

A race war isn’t a literal war

[tranquil blade]

Well humans also feared the giants to the point of hatred

[trim lily]

i suppose but thats kind of a reactionary measure

[ocean totem]

I was using war generally, they're not as bad off as the Fishmen by any means but they're not seen well by the world

[sage temple]

Loki had a flawless view on leading the giants ngl

[trim lily]

ah yeah

[ocean totem]

^

[wet heron]

[ocean totem]

He wanted better relations that brought peace, I'll say

[wet heron]

COOK ICON

[wet condor]

That's his mindset now, yeah. He feels guilt for it. I'm just saying that if you're Harald's type of character, Oden and Garp in particular, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy out of this fandom

[dense haven]

the moment harald abandoned ida I knew he was a bitch

[somber flare]

The moral of the story is that Ida ruined Elbaph

[sage temple]

Ida made him a bitch

[hazy turret]

Oh yeah true

[wraith mantle]

foreign hoe

[leaden rivet]

Estrid would never allow this shit

[wet heron]

Exactly anyone with half a brain knows Harald was in the wrong path

[hazy turret]

I was lowkey thinking that

[trim lily]

did you forget elbaf nearly starved itself lol

[sage temple]

Ida was the worst thing that happened to Elbaph

[wet heron]

Atriving for unrealistic idealist goals

Come on noww

[sage temple]

Because they refused to steal from other nations

[hazy turret]

“Damn it’s kinda Ida’s fault huh”

[sage temple]

And asked politely

[frozen ravine]

Harald was on the right path imo nobody believed in rocks

[sage temple]

They stopped conquering

[leaden rivet]

Loki had it right all along

[hazy turret]

Aight chill

[sage temple]

He did

[leaden rivet]

Nvm

[wraith mantle]

hey man not even rocks believed in himself

[wet condor]

I mean, they had beef I suppose lol

[tranquil blade]

lmao

[hazy turret]

What did he say

[sage temple]

The WG was not the move at all

[wraith mantle]

you right i got carried away

[wet heron]

Ida is unfathomably based but she did influence Garald a lil too much

[trim lily]

its kind of funny rocks pulled the "dont worry if i was the king of the world id change it for the better and definitely not be corrupted by power and repeat their mistakes"

[sage temple]

If only the giants never went soft

[grand flower]

Nope, you said that one instance of Garp encouraging his men to attack a CD is not indicative that he regularly attempts to undermine their influence

[frozen ravine]

Rocks 5th strongest guy was Silver Axe, how is he supposed to beat 10s of millions of wg soldiers

[dense haven]

Ida didn't tell harold to become a cuck she never even told him to stop seeing rocks despite knowing he was bad influence

[sage temple]

Ida isn't based if her influence alone can make people bitchmade

[wraith mantle]

cmon man he said non of that

[dense haven]

it's all on harold

[wet condor]

At the end of the day, yeah

[tranquil blade]

Well first off silver axe was tuff, secondly those two fruits likely played a big part into his plan on defeating the WG

[grand flower]

harassment vs flirting meme but it's harald offering to be a slave vs kuma offering to be a slave

[wet condor]

He made those choices

[sage temple]

I think it's about the way he interpreted it yeah

[ocean totem]

Oh no I was entirely specific about what I was talking about, and referenced only it in an exact sense, never said it generally.

[hazy turret]

I don’t see what makes Loki right but okay

[trim lily]

idk wanting to be king of the world is a bit of a red flag

[wet condor]

Well Ida supported him

[tranquil blade]

I will admit it probably would not have worked

[hazy turret]

Wanting peace is a good thing

[wet heron]

U need to think about in terms of Harald being a king and being responsible for his people not trying to be idealistic etc .. I do not blame her

[faint notch]

Aligning with xebec would not benefit elbaf’s nation in any way whereas joining the world governemnt and being part of this large organization would surely bring peace to elbaph in harald’s view.

[wet heron]

Plus he abandoned her anyways when the elders told bum to do so

[grand flower]

You literally said it "doesn't mean he goes around constantly waving a flag"

[wet heron]

Where was his ideals then

[wraith mantle]

yes he wanted to be king of the world but he didn't say "change it for the better and definitely not be corrupted by power and repeat their mistakes"

[wet heron]

All ghe wrong places smh

[grand flower]

Harald also didn't just want peace

[sage temple]

And he was right

[trim lily]

i guess he couldve had worse ideals

[hazy turret]

But to try and do away with fighting and violence is ridiculous, laying down and rolling over to be accepted by the WG is silly.

[frozen ravine]

Imu and the gorosei could have beaten the rocks pirates on their own

[grand flower]

Harald wanted to help people too

[urban lodge]

Loki really is a piratefolk user

[grand flower]

His main motivation was he believed that Elbaph had a lot to offer other nations

[wraith mantle]

its really unclear ngl

fuck bb and his flashback

[sage temple]

That's what Loki said

How do you not see how he's right

[leaden rivet]

Harald pretty much surrendered all negotiability and pretty much is willing to allow the WG to do whatever to Elbaf

[grand flower]

Loki isn't right either

[hazy turret]

Loki has not once expressed the desire for peace or helping people

[wet condor]

When you're a king, this is a mistake

[sage temple]

Yes he is

[wet condor]

Your people come first

[grand flower]

Loki is just as unbalanced as Harald arguably is

[wet heron]

Also v sure Imu implants the mark / contract once he gets to meet the kings etc cause he wants fo be accepted by WG so bad

[wraith mantle]

even imu was surprised

this king really is a fool

[trim lily]

loki and harald need to learn moderation

[leaden rivet]

Just a joke about him insulting Ida

[trim lily]

you shouldnt just swap between two sides of the gradient

[grand flower]

Humanity should be your people

[tranquil blade]

Loki is just an advocate for the old way of Elbaph, which was riddled with issues that Harald specifically wanted to fix, Harald just went too far with it. Oda is likely telling us that the "right" answer is somewhere inbetween the two

[wraith mantle]

once in a lifetime fool and imu lived a 800 years

[ocean totem]

Nah. You messed up here.

[leaden rivet]

I do not subscribe to anything Socrates says

[hazy turret]

TRUTH!!!!

[ocean totem]

I was VERY specific, shuron

[wet heron]

This means that the devil circle / summoning thing could be implanted without someone knowing too imo

[sick dust]

But that’s the issue.The WG doesn’t see Elbaf as potential ailles.They see them as assets of war.Harald won’t be able to achieve what he wanted with the WG

[sage temple]

Because according to the person closest to him, HE DOESN'T WANT TO

But you ignore this

[ocean totem]

They may have ported over maybe?

[sage temple]

And say he's a psycho

🙄

[wet heron]

U sound like a hater

[grand flower]

And when I said that extrapolation comment, I wasn't replying to those. I was specific in my replies to those as well

[sage temple]

I have plenty

[leaden rivet]

Okay

[wet condor]

Harald is willing to abandon the folkways of his people and prostrate himself and portray his friends for a corrupt government

[hazy turret]

[ocean totem]

Irrelevant, you kept disagreeing with that idea, many times. You really dug your hole there.

[sage temple]

Oh thats ilzare

Makes sense now

[tranquil blade]

Not so peaceful that they can be taken advantage of, but not being a group of violent warmongers that only furthers the split between the giants and everyone else

[sage temple]

🤦‍♂️

[proud pivot]

Brother I need this emoji

[wet heron]

Yeah but there must be someone to mark the place etc I do not think they can randomly port anywhere

[leaden rivet]

Ah yes portray his friend

[sage temple]

Why was I even trying to explain myself to her

[ocean totem]

There was in the castle

[grand flower]

I disagreed with the idea that Garp doesn't constantly try to undermine their influence

[wet heron]

The room of authority has markings all over the place

[ocean totem]

But hell, maybe one of the Knights went with him back?

[sage temple]

Likely was Imu

[ocean totem]

Would Imu have risked just marking Harald alone?

[wet condor]

And for an impossible goal

[ocean totem]

That's fine to disagree with, although that's actually wrong too, but the only topic I brought up was specifically him telling everyone to go and attack a Celestial Dragon lol

[sage temple]

Have we ever seen a Haki release like this where Imu wasn't there?

[dense haven]

the fact he did that right after we saw what happened in gv doesn't help him either

[sage temple]

Abnormal Haki

[ocean totem]

I'm still wondering if this is haki

[wet heron]

Imu marking him does not mean he literally went over and did allat maybe had someone do it, he just pucks up the phone and rings up one of the Lorosei is what I mean

[hazy turret]

This is irrelevant to the politics of elbaf, I’m sure he’s got a heart of gold or whatever but from what we know now he hasn’t shown sensible ideals for leading elbaf

[ocean totem]

Or if this is like part of the spell and Oda just sucks at drawing a new effect

[wet heron]

And they ring up Bum knoghts et al

[tranquil blade]

It might have been DR Harald flexing his haki

[sage temple]

Gaban called it that

[ocean totem]

Oh I gotcha, that makes sense

[hazy turret]

Click the emote and join the server pal

[grand flower]

That's not necessarily the lightning we saw in that panel

[sage temple]

That's just contrarian bro it likely is

[grand flower]

Gaban saying they sensed an abnormal haki could just be the haki the person possesses after they came through the circle

[urban lodge]

It could have been Harald's own haki after he was domi reversi'd

[dense haven]

abnormal haki = abyss haki

[ocean totem]

No, I mean like letting Harald get marked and then going home with that alone instead of having someone take him

[wet heron]

It’s like fats ringing up asmins, they run up mods who rung up helpers etc

[faint notch]

yup, it was the best course of action an ordinary king would do, but most people do not know that the world governemnt’s system is corrupt, instead of helping reshape people’s perspective about the giants by making elbaph join the WG, they only ever wanted thier immense power.

[grand flower]

Well not really contrarian

Because it is true, that could still maybe not be Haki

[wet heron]

Except mufugga ain like Imu at all

[sage temple]

Not really, he only says "abnormal Haki" for when people get summoned and when Imu arrives

And this looks like Imu arriving

[grand flower]

That's not true

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe the sky is red

[grand flower]

Jamesbei says the same thing about Mars who's just flying by

[tranquil blade]

That weird haki feeling is likely haki of Imu or someone under Imu's influence, maybe Domi Reversi'd people give off a similar abnormal haki presence to Imu's abnormal haki

[sage temple]

So minimum Gorosei

[grand flower]

The people under the Abyss just have weird Haki in general

[tranquil blade]

It might be anyone who Imu's bestowed power to

[wet heron]

Ah right, once marked it does not trigger automatically ig, only when zimu wants to etc so it was safe imo. Plus not like something can be done about an invisible contract, if the marks are visible yeah. But I think it would be those contract things.

[dense haven]

abnormal haki probably means evil haki and that makes sense because joyboy knot introduced selective knock out which means it's possible to imbue haki with moral intent

[sage temple]

It might but until we actually see a Haki release where it's not Imu I doubt it

Especially at that range

[grand flower]

nah, joy boy just knew what to do cause he was there

[urban lodge]

Rocks just did that

[wet heron]

Samn me valley over huh

[urban lodge]

He did a huge haki burst

[wet heron]

I can’t believe ts smh we needed more

[leaden rivet]

I keep misjudging how long this damnable flashback is going to take

[sage temple]

Oh so a Rocks-level being was in the castle and Loki survived it?

[urban lodge]

Well yeah

[sage temple]

Kiddin

[faint notch]

in egghead?

[leaden rivet]

I thought rocks dying would be enough to appease me but I just want this to be over

[urban lodge]

But Harald resisted it and Loki killed him in that window

[grand flower]

Yeah

[ocean totem]

Wish we had a line from Luffy about that haki feeling familiar

[tranquil blade]

Idk I could pretty easily see a Domi Reversi Harald unleashing some haki like that

[faint notch]

He was dead

[grand flower]

Joy Boy never died

He just went back to the future

[wet condor]

How're your thoughts on Harald?

[tranquil blade]

If Loki ate that fruit, the fruit might be able to interrupt Domi Reversi, which might be why it's legendary

[leaden rivet]

Im not a fan

[random hinge]

is this the first solo sky split ever

[dense haven]

hatred will never bring you happiness that's why you must abandon your anti-shanks agenda

[wet condor]

Do you hate him?

[faint notch]

Lol

[random hinge]

from baby shanks

[sage temple]

Well Harald isn't marked afawk

And he isn't a Gorosei or Imu

[grand flower]

Between Harald going from a scumbag to a good person himself, his desire to help others, and Oda repeatedly showig that people don't trust giants i'm susprised he's getting so much flack

Harald is super sympathetic

[wet condor]

Because if you do, you'll get to see him die lol

[tranquil blade]

Not yet he isn't but we haven't gotten there yet

[somber flare]

So Mihawk fans were actually hyping up a feat infant Shanks was able to do?

[sage temple]

So that type of Haki hasn't been called abnormal for Harald himself

[leaden rivet]

His relationship with rocks feels weirdly written, and undeserved. They don’t seem or act like friends. His complete groveling of the WG is disappointing, him breaking off his horns to grovel was equally annoying.

[sage temple]

And we already know there was a 3rd party that locked the doors

[somber flare]

typical

[leaden rivet]

No no I don’t hate him

[grand flower]

bootstrap paradox

[ruby moat]

Yes. Shanks once again outdoes mihawk

[hazy turret]

BABY MIHAWK COULD NEVER

[leaden rivet]

Hate is a strong word

And reserved for characters like Shakky

[hazy turret]

Uggghhhhh don’t remind me

[sage temple]

Yeah so until then that sure is lots of hoops to jump through to say it wasn't a Gorosei or Imu that released that Haki

[tranquil blade]

I didnt say the abnormal haki was just because of Harald, I said it was because Imu basically controlling him is affecting his haki

[clever idol]

Now why tf

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[grand flower]

When Luffy goes back in time, hegives Emet the Haki knot programmed to target the government characters because he remembers when Emet used a Haki knot programmed to target the government charaters

[wet condor]

Illya has been consistent about this for a while now

There ain't nothing to hate

[wraith mantle]

look at them love birds

[sage temple]

Controlling him how

[leaden rivet]

She’s gone, no need to discuss this further.

[wet condor]

Oh I know this had some people in here STEAMING

[hazy turret]

Get this garbage off my screen

[somber flare]

not a fan of goon valley huh

[leaden rivet]

I lost interest in discussing it a while ago

[tranquil blade]

Uhh Domi Reversi? We literally saw Imu give commands to Rocks after he did it to him

[clever idol]

As a boa lover u shouldnt hate her senpai

[leaden rivet]

Just ruined my cereal

[faint notch]

what’s the evidence to back-up ur claim from the story?

[wet condor]

I don't care about their love at all, it's just funny to see people react

[sage temple]

Oh I thought you meant like possession with Gunko

That's what I expect it is anyways

[wet condor]

Illya was a Shakky fan

[somber flare]

Rayleigh bagging Shakky is basically Oda telling us that being nonchalant is the way to get your crush

[clever idol]

Oda is not a rizz lord

[hazy turret]

Has she always been this short or is oda leaning into the “uwu” shakky thing

[leaden rivet]

I hate male centered women

[scenic dirge]

Horseshit

[clever idol]

Be chalant

[dense haven]

ignore them bitches

[wet condor]

I noticed that too lol

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-glorp-desk-slam-cat-green-man-gif-16808037113840525469

[wet condor]

She's only an inch shorter than Rayleigh

supposed to be

[clever idol]

And boa?

[urban lodge]

It's really hilarious how big of a deal she was made to be and then that plot is resolved in one chapter

[hazy turret]

I hate Oda

[dense haven]

people ain't ready for romance in one piece

[sly belfry]

What tf does this mean

[grand flower]

Roger saying he wishes he was born in Joy Boy's era, but Rayleigh saying they were too early.

On the golden bell in Skypeia, there are carvings on monkeys with a straw hat

Also the fact that Joy Boy was able to program his Haki to target people centuries later

[leaden rivet]

Has her reasons

[scenic dirge]

Just a couple more days my sweet prince

[tranquil blade]

Me and Rokaya and Illya are right to hate Shakky or at least how Oda wrote Shakky

[leaden rivet]

Did oda make her shorter to make her look cuter in comparison with Rayleigh

[clever idol]

And shakky doesnt?

[leaden rivet]

No…Álvaro I have no interest in discussing this again.

[tranquil blade]

To enforce heteronormative standards of course

[clever idol]

Now who tf

[mild pulsar]

Oda when it comes to making the damsel in distress for the 15th time

[tranquil blade]

or something of the sort

[mild pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[hazy turret]

Shakky has lost all personality the last couple chapters

[grand flower]

He barely does this lol

[tranquil blade]

ODAAAA I WONT FORGIVE YOU

[clever idol]

Choke for the disrespect

[dense haven]

yall gonna hate nami too after she marries luffy

[leaden rivet]

They’re going to come in and swear she isn’t a damnsel in distress because she kicked Sommers

[urban lodge]

I will only hate Oda

[grand flower]

Mind you the past couple chapters have continued to characterize her as someone who rips men off and stands strong to adversaries

[somber flare]

[leaden rivet]

I don’t care if Nami marries Luffy as long as she still goes forward and chases her dreams

[formal wagon]

at least fishbonen fans are eating well

[urban lodge]

He will never make me hate Nami

[wet condor]

Shakky could've talked more, yeah lol

[tranquil blade]

See if this happened I would want to drop but it'd probably be like 2 chapters before the series ends so there would be no point

[wet condor]

She really does feel like a Macguffin

[hazy turret]

He’s literally just a guy, enjoying some hot food on a chilly autumn day

[wet condor]

Whatever that word Icon used to describe her

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-lebron-three-lefuckyouthree-gif-6800610835299717763

[leaden rivet]

Shakky was great for that single chapter vs Roger, that was the best flashback chapter imo

[formal wagon]

not really

[grand flower]

lol man

[wet condor]

This the funniest NBA meme in a minute

fits too well

[grand flower]

I love how Shakky is talked about like she just lost all agency

[wet condor]

Same setup

every time

You can see it coming

[mild pulsar]

Robin and nami genuinely be getting sidelined too much

[wet condor]

And can't stop it

[hazy turret]

Right I’m talking about when rayleigh stepped on the scene with his nasty stinky self

[leaden rivet]

All the strawhats get sidelined

[grand flower]

Meanwhile her presence alone on Hachinosu made all these hardy violent and aggressive men stop fighting

[leaden rivet]

This isn’t a woman hating thing

[grand flower]

Rocks was steaming beause Shakky's presence tied his hands

he couldn't just kick Roger out

But yeah

[wraith mantle]

does one piece have well written female characters?

[hazy turret]

Okay sorry

[grand flower]

Shakky is just an eye candy damsel with no influence or agency

[leaden rivet]

Yes

There’s Boa Hancock

[formal wagon]

I love meatloaf and binturongs

[sly belfry]

Hmm I get it

[wet condor]

The SH ladies and then Boa yeah

[grand flower]

what's a binturong

[leaden rivet]

There’s Vivi

[sly belfry]

I too like hating on random things

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/binturong-bearcat-cute-bear-cat-gif-27426066

[wet condor]

I included Vivi when I said SH ladies

[tranquil blade]

Boa at least has more to her outside of loving Luffy, at least before she fell in love completely with Luffy

[dense haven]

bm

[hazy turret]

Shuron are you interested in reading what we’re saying or do you just want to get some dunks in

[leaden rivet]

I want to say big mom I really do

But I can’t

[wet condor]

Big Mom is good

She's just dumb

[hazy turret]

Yeah you get it

[sand plinth]

i like linlin as a character

[leaden rivet]

Pudding was pretty good

[formal wagon]

getting dunks in is kind of fun to be fiar

[urban lodge]

Gloriosa is the bigger disappointment for me I think

[ruby moat]

Garp haters IN SHAMBLES after reading 1166

[leaden rivet]

Just making sure no one here says Tashigi

[wet condor]

Drop that G

Loriosa

[stone terrace]

Big mom was good for 70% of wci and 2% of wano

[tranquil blade]

I like Big Mom as a character, idk if her dying as a side antag in Wano was my favorite way for her to go out but I'll accept it

[wraith mantle]

how about clone stussy in egghead

[hazy turret]

You missed this discussion 30 minutes ago

[hazy turret]

Try again in an hour

[grand flower]

lol this shit is ridiculous

[formal wagon]

They used to say fishbonen would never appear in the manga again. Now "they" are wrong because he did. Really says a lot tbh

[dense haven]

I'll never forget goon valley thank you oda

[wet condor]

This makes her worse

[tranquil blade]

Who is they

[ruby moat]

Will do

[wet condor]

She kept us from seeing Roger and Rocks go at it

[grand flower]

Thes niggas LISTENED to Shakky

[leaden rivet]

I’ll also say Perona, Reiju and Hiyori are pretty good

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-binturong-post-this-binturong-21st-gif-17563917790407406300

[wraith mantle]

goon valley was one helluva time

[grand flower]

Men like Rocks and Roger and Shiki and Kaido and Big Mom and Whitebeard

[trim lily]

wow got it with 1 hour to go

[somber flare]

Kay

[grand flower]

Shakky gave an instruction and they LISTENED

[formal wagon]

them

[cunning narwhal]

theres a new animal every month bro

[grand flower]

But i'm supposed to read this as shakky was reduced to a damsel in distress

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-scaly-mammal-creepy-walking-gif-15715966

[wet condor]

This one panel alone making me like Shakky less actually

[leaden rivet]

Bonney

[wraith mantle]

i thnk kaido probably wanted to cave her head in but was scared of rocks

[wet condor]

lmaooo

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/marine-aesthetic-sea-angels-deep-gif-2487007545891512900

[wet condor]

Why would he want to do that?

[hazy turret]

Taking shyarly on a date later, call that fish bonen

[scenic dirge]

He’s appreciating the splendours our world has to offer. Content with his place in life, he carries on with a smile to brighten everyone’s day

[formal wagon]

why no ping

[leaden rivet]

🧍

[hazy turret]

I’m ashamed

[tranquil blade]

Shakky being the ultimate girlboss even though it's just cause she's hot, but her falling for Rayleigh like that and being a damsel really put the nail in the coffin

[grand flower]

violence is the only law

[wet condor]

Oh lol

[cunning narwhal]

ok i know about this one the name starts with a p right

[wraith mantle]

doesn't strike me as the guy who likes being told what to do

[formal wagon]

don't be that was a good one, if you pinged me i would have fire reacted

[formal wagon]

pangolin

[hazy turret]

He is what the world needs right now

[wet condor]

Interestingly we never see him neutralized by her beauty

Not that I think he was actually immune lol

[leaden rivet]

She was genuinely soooo cool

It hurts

[formal wagon]

What the world needs right now is a new eminiem album or something

[grand flower]

Shakky being able to string these dudes along her finger by taking advantage of their inability to look past objectifying her is agency

Shakky's entire thing is the RIP OFF BAR

Her entire character is about exploiting men

[tranquil blade]

Yeah yeah I know I know, and it wasn't that bad, but then it WENT bad

[grand flower]

We are introduced to her beating up a paying customer

[leaden rivet]

This is Hancock’s future if she anywhere near Luffy.

[tranquil blade]

Oda fucked it up

[grand flower]

I see it the same as hancock and luffy tbh

[cunning narwhal]

its funny how oda cant write crushes without making it super obvious

[leaden rivet]

Oh piratefolk hates Whitebeard now also, never thought I’d see the day

[grand flower]

Rayleigh just gives Shakky the space to be in her #SoftGirlEra

[somber flare]

Don't worry Hancock is the Gloriosa in this situation

[grand flower]

She doesn't need to fight so hard because Rayleigh is willing to do it for her

Again, something true to a lot of women's lived experience

[hazy turret]

She lost all personality when rayleigh showed up. She just goes ☹️ when rayleigh isn’t around and 😌 when he is

[formal wagon]

"oda"
" "

[sick dust]

They been slandering him since the Garp chapter came out

[grand flower]

I couldn't tell you how many women have told me they wished the men they dated gave them that kind of comfort

[leaden rivet]

Rayleigh’s not here??? And she just passes out

[somber flare]

Fuck Oda for that

[stone terrace]

Ngl its warranted this time

At least eyebrow raising

[faint notch]

i don’t see where’s the connection between ur claim and joy boy being present in egghead?

[somber flare]

Even if he isn't really running away why would he give people ammo like that

[tranquil blade]

He really did cause this

[grand flower]

Luffy and Joy Boy have always been the same person

[hazy turret]

The problem imo is that she seems to lose that personality we saw before rayleigh

[somber flare]

Whitebeard was supposed to be unslanderable

[dense haven]

illya ain't ready for traditional housewife boa courtesy of oda

[leaden rivet]

Whitebeard does deserve the slander yes, but previously he was the character I thought unslanderable yeah

[wet condor]

Oh for leaving Xebec?

[faint notch]

Headcanon

[grand flower]

FOR ONE CHAPTER

[leaden rivet]

Nooooo

[stone terrace]

Blame oda on that one

[faint notch]

and that’s not true

[grand flower]

Did Nami "lose her personality" when she was watching luffy fight arlong for several chapters???

[cunning narwhal]

he was dumb as hell this flashback so i understand

[wet condor]

I've been had criticism of Whitebeard ever since the Thatch incident lol

[grand flower]

what kind of short term attention span is this man

[leaden rivet]

I would rather Hancock turn old and ugly than be Luffy’s maid for the rest of her life

[wet condor]

You would've heard some slander out of me if you had only asked lol

[alpine trench]

how was he dumb

[leaden rivet]

Yeah

The hate really spirals cause we learned rocks was still alive

So if WB came back he could’ve saved him

[grand flower]

One chapter of Shakky being carried by Rayleigh deleting all the other chapters of Shakky in your mind is a yall problem man

That's not on Oda

[somber flare]

Oh that?

Who the fuck cares about the thing with Rocks

[fallen meteor]

You have of the most amazing profiles ive ever seen
Its like 5 characters from maybe 4 anime...amazing

[leaden rivet]

Because he did t do anything?

[wet condor]

Correct

[leaden rivet]

Whitebeard doesn’t seem keen on risking his crewmates lives for people already dead

[grand flower]

You can just choose to not compartmentalize her like that as though she stopped being the same character in every other scene where this stuff wasn't happening

[dense haven]

I love wb abandoning rocks that's my goat

[tranquil blade]

I think people do treat Whitebeard a little too highly in the sense that they act like he is without criticism but the slander stuff is just stupid

[grand flower]

Imagine someone reading the chapters where Luffy was thrown into the sea by Kaido and going "Ugh oda reduced Luffy to dead weight who needs protecting"

[somber flare]

Why should he give a shit about Rocks

[cunning narwhal]

he genuinely thought rocks only saw his crew as in his way in that moment, instead of realizing imu must've done something to him that made him grow wings and get 5x bigger and made him attack his allies

[grand flower]

Why in the world are yall even making evaluations of Shakky's entire character based on a portion of her screen time

[wraith mantle]

ngl if whitebeard won't stick up for his dead homies why would anyone be deterred from attacking his territory islands

[urban lodge]

Because the fans do so the character must too

[grand flower]

I will never be able to understand

[leaden rivet]

I think the jarring thing is we just saw him stand there with rocks willing to risk his life and die for him just moments earlier

So then for him to hardly question and then abandon him feels a bit off

[tranquil blade]

Tbf Rocks also did send him through a mountain

[leaden rivet]

Remove that scene and Whitebeard is perfectly fine to me.

[wet condor]

He really didn't do it because he "had a bad feeling" about it. A man who you allege is your son was stabbed in the back. A man who you took in, broke your trust, and then you send another one of your sons alone after just warning him that it's a bad idea. I'm sure plenty of people on the 4th division wanted to go after Teach for what he did. And Ace's divison probably wanted to go with him

[tranquil blade]

and I dont think Whitebeard was happy about what happened

[leaden rivet]

But this scene at least makes it seem like he cares

[wet condor]

Whitebeard L all the way

He's holding that one

[leaden rivet]

Did no damage to him at all

He was cool

[tranquil blade]

Well I think the idea is that Xebec was behaving aggressively moreso than just the damage

[leaden rivet]

I think it was more implied Ace was going to go anyway, Whitebeard didn’t want to send him

[tranquil blade]

It's like "Yeah he cant be reasoned with anymore"

[wet condor]

I kind of cut him some slack for the Oden one though

[leaden rivet]

If I remember correctly

[wet condor]

He did. Should've sent some people with him

[grand flower]

well tbf music

[wet condor]

If he wasn't going to chase him himself

[grand flower]

whitebeard didn't send ace

ace just took off

[dense haven]

we already knew wb was sick of rocks bs based on his comment in the previous gv flashback so he was really ready to dip

[formal wagon]

whitbeard was the biggest fraud of fraud valley fraud fruad

[wet condor]

Yeah I know

[grand flower]

whitebeard wasn't gonna infringe on ace's freedom

[leaden rivet]

In the situation, I think he should’ve gone back and checked for rocks

[grand flower]

But he wasn't also gonna send his sons to something he felt was dangerous

[wet condor]

Should've though

And if he did, Ace may've lived

Never would've gotten to where it did

[latent hamlet]

or they all coulda died

[leaden rivet]

Whitebeard always struck me as a people person, so for him to not recognize that rocks wasn’t in control is a bit disappointing

[latent hamlet]

or ace gets taken and said sons died

[leaden rivet]

I thought he was smarter than that

They’ve spent a while together

[wet condor]

They would've wanted to avenge Thatch anyways i'm sure

[grand flower]

I mean if I think skydiving is dangerous and one of my adult kids decides to go do it, i'm not gonna tell another of my kids to go with him

that wouldn't make sense

i still think it's dangerous

[tranquil blade]

I think Whitebeard cares about people but I don't think he's necessarily a genius either lol

[grand flower]

why would i send ANOTHER child to do it

[latent hamlet]

any1 that followed ace would have had to fight burgess augur lafitte and doc

[tranquil blade]

I did cope and think he knew

but it seems I was wrong

[grand flower]

I get what you mean

But also

Ace was a grown ass man

[dense haven]

if ace listened to him that wouldn't have happened either

[wet condor]

Ace was avenging a brother

Ace didn't care about dying

[cunning narwhal]

from his point of view, rocks wasn't under the influence of anyone. he just snapped and turned on his crew. wb at the very least should've went back to try and figure out why he did that

[tranquil blade]

Well Ace is pretty irrational at times even if it's understandable

[wet condor]

It wasn't even irrational though lol

[dense haven]

it was tho you have to know when to pick your fights

[wet condor]

Whitebeard just left him on his own out there

[tranquil blade]

I mean is it rational to go after a guy without thinking yknow about if the guy could actually beat you

[dense haven]

wb warned him

[latent hamlet]

well every1 was holding him back and all agreed that fighting BB is pretty risky

[wet condor]

Yeah he did

[leaden rivet]

Big mom also isn’t a genius but could recognize Imu did something to rocks,

[latent hamlet]

BB was already capable before he got the fruit

[wet condor]

Then they ain't as close as I thought then

[leaden rivet]

I get the feeling this will be argued forever over the years lol

[latent hamlet]

so adding the fruit on top just increases the risk factor crazy

[grand flower]

I wonder if Whitebeard knew that

[leaden rivet]

I think if the rocks pirates were more like advertised, with all of them not caring about each other, Whitebeard abandoning rocks would hit less hard

[grand flower]

well he must have

shanks mentioned the scar like he knew teach did it

[dense haven]

ace is a dumb cunt and made a series of the worst decisions known to man

[somber flare]

They really didn't tho

[tranquil blade]

If Whitebeard ever noticed his haki he would've known Blackbeard was strong

[wet condor]

Blood demands blood

Ace did right

[latent hamlet]

well, whether it was sneaky or not
BB killed thatch, who was one of the leaders i think
so BB is already capable

[alpine trench]

Did they really care about each other tho lol

[wet condor]

Should've been backed

[somber flare]

I don't really see anywhere that gives the impression that Whitebeard cares for Rocks all that much

[leaden rivet]

Like the scene before he’s ready and willing to die with him for no gain at all…

[latent hamlet]

i feel like if anything, WB would have respected the blood for blood tradition
but just...not right away

[leaden rivet]

Do you do that for people you don’t care about all that much?

[latent hamlet]

guy kills some1 and steals a devil fruit that he's coveted for ages
there's no way that's gonna be an easy fight

[tranquil blade]

Idk if Whitebeard was willing to die necessarily, but I do think he was willing to fight up to a certain extent with Rocks without any real gain

[dense haven]

ace is not the captain he doesn't get to dictate who goes to war lol

[grand flower]

Whitebeard does seem genuinely taken aback by Rocks seemingly betraying them tbf

[cunning narwhal]

he isn't on the same level of uncaring as shiki and the rest, he knew there was nothing to gain from standing by rocks' side against saturnimu yet did so anyway

[wet condor]

Idgaf

lol

[latent hamlet]

WB probably woulda been fine for vengeance a few years later

[somber flare]

I don't think Whitebeard was willing or expecting to die at all

[wet condor]

Ace went by himself

[grand flower]

I also took Whitebeard's line about drinking on rocks tab as like

Kind of a nod to a friendship

[wet condor]

Whitebeard should've backed him

simple as

[grand flower]

@alpine trench hey do you wanna read this write up i did about garp

[dense haven]

no he shouldn't

fuck ace

[alpine trench]

Uh yeah

lol

[latent hamlet]

way i saw it, its like "eh i dont mind beating up some1 for your sake for now"

[wet condor]

Ace did something noble and good

So I'm back his decision lol

[latent hamlet]

and then rocks attacked WB and its like "welp, any reason to help is gone"

[wide star]

you would think WB saying this would be enough for Ace to realize he biting off more than he can chew lol

[latent hamlet]

blood for blood revenge isnt necessarily noble and good ngl

an eye for an eye
every1's gonna end up blind

[wet condor]

It is though

[tranquil blade]

I mean Ace's intention is noble, but idk he thought about the risk at all when he decided to go after Blackbeard

[wet condor]

Then so be it

[grand flower]

He probably didnt

This is probably Roger's blood in him

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know, I read it as he was willing to die together with him there, they’re facing an unknown entity that is conceivably more powerful than all of them

[latent hamlet]

no he didnt lol

[dense haven]

I'm glad he can keep his honor in hell where he belongs lulw

[grand flower]

Roger couldn't let it go if someone insulted his friend

Teach KILLED Ace's friend

[dense haven]

rest in piss

[latent hamlet]

in his mind
"HE KILLED ONE OF OURS, HE DESERVES DEATH FOR THAT"

[grand flower]

No wonder Ace couldn't let it go

[leaden rivet]

I wish we could see the scene where he killed thatch

[wide star]

Thatch pops who knew him way longer told him to let it go .. should’ve listened lol

[leaden rivet]

He better really needed to have killed him

[latent hamlet]

bro, ace couldnt even let go a "yo dad sucks ass"

never mind the death of a friend

[wet condor]

he's valid lol

[tranquil blade]

I mean even Whitebeard would have kill Teach if he could've for him killing Thatch

[leaden rivet]

He wasted everyone’s sacrifice and died anyway

[latent hamlet]

ace's feelings are valid, but WB wanted caution

[alpine trench]

The same sort of impulsive decision making that Luffy has shown demonstrably somehow not finding purchase with Ace, who has been established to be that way countless times is extremely funny to me

[cunning narwhal]

even akainu was confused the bait worked 😭

[tranquil blade]

Whitebeard probably should have just went and did it himself or at least sent someone with Ace to make sure it gets done

[alpine trench]

It’s been debated ad infinitum so I am not going to argue the nuances of it

[dense haven]

if ace can't follow orders he shouldn't have joined a crew just go make your own and guide them towards his death wish

[somber flare]

Luffy always gets the pass for doing the same things that other characters do by a lot of the fans

[wide star]

when he talked to ace he kinda made it seem like he didn’t wanna kill his friend but business is business so i’m assuming Thatch must’ve already eaten it lol

[alpine trench]

Really funny to see this fanbase still debating the same dead horse

[latent hamlet]

in fairness, who knows how long it'd take to find BB
BB was laying low i believe

[somber flare]

That's only because it always turns out right for him but not any side characters

[leaden rivet]

That’s what it makes it so annoying to me, so many people died there so they could save you, Whitebeard’s final words and promise to you was to escape. And you throw it all sway.

[latent hamlet]

ace had to do...a LOT of travel

[somber flare]

It's the same thing with Kid honestly

[latent hamlet]

actually

if WB went after BB

[wet condor]

They would've all done it again too is the thing

[leaden rivet]

Definitely in character to say the least. Does not make it less annoying.

[latent hamlet]

every1 would know

[wet condor]

No regret

[latent hamlet]

BB probably would know WB is going after him and go into hiding

cuz they're always like AN EMPEROR IS ON THE MOVE

[dense haven]

thatscwhat sealed the deal for me I'll forever hate that fuckass character no matter how "in charactwr" it is

[leaden rivet]

I think people need to realize something being in character for someone doesn’t mean we have to like their actions

[wide star]

yeah maybe he knew WB old sick ass wouldn’t try to come after him lol

[wet condor]

Of course lol

[leaden rivet]

I see

[tranquil blade]

Okay well then send a commander or two with Ace instead idk, if Ace didnt make enough waves on his own to tip Blackbeard off that he was coming then that might work too

[grand flower]

Ace turning back for Akainu is still probably Oda's most poetic bit of writing

[leaden rivet]

It’s simple, but something many people in this chat do not understand

[grand flower]

Ace's entire conflict was he was faced with the idea of "you should die for being roger's son"

[latent hamlet]

the commander would have to fight BB's crew then

[somber flare]

marineford is simply the best arc in the series

[latent hamlet]

and its possible the commander could just die

[grand flower]

Whitebeard was the first person who knew of Roger to validate the idea that Roger has ntohing to do with Ace

[tranquil blade]

BB's crew really wasn't that strong yet though, they lacked their fruits from what we know

[grand flower]

Then Ace ends up dying because of a trait he inherited from Roger

In the end, he died because he was his father's son after all

[wide star]

Ace just had the worst luck & he was kinda dumb .. kept trying to fight people he had no chance against and in the end it finally came back to bite him in the ass lol

Kaido
WB
Blackbeard
Akainu

[leaden rivet]

Even if Marco came I still think they’d lose

[grand flower]

Ace's character is beautiful

[latent hamlet]

true, but remember, BB vs ace was a strict 1v1 cuz bb's crew literally couldnt help
so whoever joins ace HAS to take on BB's crew and either win or die

[formal wagon]

ace could have beat kaido if thye fought

[wide star]

lmao

[grand flower]

I see it more like

Ace was damn near cursed in a way

[wide star]

WB didn’t even believe that lol

[leaden rivet]

You’ll need to get him past Ulti first

[grand flower]

Condemned to death for being Roger's son, then dies because he's Roger's son

[latent hamlet]

in a sense, ace going alone IS the best solution since it just came down to "is bb or ace stronger"

[grand flower]

But in a completely different sense

It's great because people saw Roger as evil and thought ace should die because he inherited Roger's evil

[tranquil blade]

He might actually be stronger than everyone but the top 3 of the crew

[grand flower]

But he died by inheriting a virtue from Roger

[dense haven]

nah it wasnt bad luck ace made dumb decisions after dumb decisions it's incredible how he survived this long with such crap survival instincts

[wide star]

if only Ace was still on the ship when Shanks came to warn WB

[grand flower]

That iron clad desire to protect and defend your loved ones

[leaden rivet]

Not without haki he isn’t

[somber flare]

yeah Ace definitely would've been the best choice to send after Blackbeard

[grand flower]

Ace didn't have crap survival instincts lol

He was actively suicidal

[wide star]

then again Ace probably would’ve still ignored shanks warning lol

[grand flower]

Ace lived how he did cause he wanted to die

[somber flare]

He's the only one who makes Teach's other crewmates useless

[grand flower]

Ace didn't value his life

[tranquil blade]

Logias are busted enough for a lack of haki to be covered

[grand flower]

He embraced burning it out because he was made to feel like he didn't deserve it in the first place

Ace was on the world's longest suicide run till he met Whitebeard

[wet condor]

P much

[leaden rivet]

Ulti survived a maser cannon, I think she’s good against anything Ace has in his arsenal

[alpine trench]

I wanna see Whitebeard in the story again but this might be the last time we see him, very much sad about that

[dense haven]

well then he can die alone without taking the wb pirates down with him

[wide star]

Teach flashback

[wet condor]

Cope Spice, they all dead

And they'd do it again

[grand flower]

you enjoying this fr?

[wet condor]

They backing their boys

[tranquil blade]

I would agree, but Ace somehow beat Ulti's father and if I'm gonna be honest I assume her father is stronger than she is

[alpine trench]

Oh right

Nice

[leaden rivet]

Eh parents almost always end up weaker than their kids

Can’t think of any time where the opposite happens in op

Oh right Usopp’s bum ass

[grand flower]

Anyway Ace dying because he inherited roger's most admirable trait and that pushed him not to run from a fight is so fuckin good

[wet condor]

It is

[leaden rivet]

Maybe he pulls it off, I won’t count him out

[tranquil blade]

Ace also fought Jinbe yknow and he is pretty strong

[dense haven]

there is nothing admirable about that

[tranquil blade]

Ace fought Yamato too

[grand flower]

About not backing down from defending your friends' lives or honor?

[wide star]

then fought WB right afterwards

[tranquil blade]

He came to a tie both times

[leaden rivet]

Currently searching for Jinbei’s Elbaf’s feats but not finding anything. Think I’ll need your help Avery.

[wide star]

lmao he got the straw hat nerf

[wet condor]

It's coming

[tranquil blade]

Elbaph is not the only one piece arc bruh

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I’m just joking

[wet condor]

Once he's done thinking, it's a wrap for Gunko

[somber flare]

He probably also got stronger after he fought Jimbei

[leaden rivet]

Im sure if Ace existed as he did in current one piece he’d be around as strong as Queen

[dense haven]

"stand upon the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask if honor matters"

[grand flower]

One Piece fans and having no retroactive memory or forward thinking consideration

[somber flare]

Ace is a really strong guy who fought the wrong people

[grand flower]

i know you think you just said some fly shit

[tranquil blade]

Jinbe probably not coming through with it tbh, unless he just uses the common weakness of devil fruit users

[leaden rivet]

Well all those wrong people are completely by choice of him lol

He did that to himself

[wide star]

with how Oda keeps giving ace more feats post death , i’m sure if he was still alive in post timeskip Oda would glaze him .. during marineford they did talk about his potential

[formal wagon]

One piece fans and having a good time and loving eachother and their series go hand in hand in hand

[wet condor]

We have faith over here Avery

[tranquil blade]

He's just like Jack fr

[dense haven]

this might come as a surprise shuron but I really don't care what you think

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-the-boss-oscar-smiling-friends-make-out-gif-4480069166454483751

[wet condor]

Add to potential man memes

[leaden rivet]

Faith in a strawhat that’s not the monster trio is setting yourself up for disappointment

[grand flower]

You think I say things for you to care about it?

[wet condor]

I have faith in Zoro too

[tranquil blade]

Well about time when uh...

[leaden rivet]

Which is wise

Zoro will get his due no matter what

If not Toei got his back

[grand flower]

Ace gotta be like

[tranquil blade]

I have faith in Franky

[grand flower]

Theoretical man or something

The way his shit coles true

[wet condor]

[leaden rivet]

Franky is usually always cool

[tranquil blade]

Franky is still out there somewhere he's got this on lock

[grand flower]

Oda gonna reveal Ace boxed with Loki fresh outta Goa kingdom

[leaden rivet]

Hes always doing cool shit

[dense haven]

what cool shit

[somber flare]

He was still doing shit like this in Marineford

[alpine trench]

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-funny-big-mom-franky-brook-gif-23707214

[tranquil blade]

Chat is Ace admiral level?

[trim lily]

perhaps

[leaden rivet]

If Ace lived he’d have Acoc and all the other shit

[grand flower]

This is Ace at 1/10th strength too

[river loom]

Franky is a top tier in the verse in my eyes

[wet condor]

Undoubtedly

[leaden rivet]

And he’s big bro so he would lowkey be stronger than luffy

Just saying

[tranquil blade]

If Ace lived he would've been like Roger level by now

[somber flare]

I think people don't give him enough credit is all

[dense haven]

that's not fair because bm was nerfed

[tranquil blade]

Well does that mean Sabo is stronger than Luffy

[leaden rivet]

When is big mom not nerfed

[leaden rivet]

Sabo isn’t real

[wraith mantle]

will we ever get more of rouge

or is she done

[somber flare]

Sabo isn't really going around fighting people for fun

[leaden rivet]

I don’t acknowledge his existence

[wet condor]

I've wondered about her

[tranquil blade]

You can't just pull out the Sabo isnt real card

[river loom]

Whitebeard would teach him how to master all forms of haki + the advanced forms

[trim lily]

probably not

[wet condor]

Given we didn't get shit about Shanks and Shamrock's mom

I mean you can hold out hope that Oda is saving her for later if you care about her

[trim lily]

i cant think of any scenario in which we'd get another roger flashback with rouge

[leaden rivet]

He had all that time and didn’t even teach him armament haki lol

[somber flare]

Sabo getting a power spike anyway tho

[tranquil blade]

Not even a face reveal 💔

[tranquil blade]

Whitebeard was going senile it's not his fault

[wraith mantle]

shanks mom gonna be a major beauty

brand new beauty too

not a nami clone

[wet condor]

I can't imagine what Oda would be saving her for though

[somber flare]

yeah the Ace not having haki thing is kinda cringe

[dense haven]

I think we are done with roger now

[tranquil blade]

Marco could've at least taught Ace how to use the non coc forms of haki

[trim lily]

pre ts moment

[river loom]

Maybe if oda fully introduced haki before marineford

[leaden rivet]

She’s a descendant of Joyboy

[tranquil blade]

or like half of the commanders could've

[leaden rivet]

Or Davey

Unironically I mean

[wet condor]

For the flashback? Yeah prolly

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy with red hair

[wet condor]

Well...

[alpine trench]

We have Shanks flashback

[leaden rivet]

That red hair, shanks is a very special boy

[wet condor]

I was just gonna say

[somber flare]

Nah we're getting Roger one more time

[tranquil blade]

I'd possibly crash out

[alpine trench]

For this one there’s a chance we see him again

[wet condor]

We'll see Shanks more this flashback probably because he's gotta stop Loki

[river loom]

One piece reveal 🤞🏽

[somber flare]

We've still never gotten a flashback from his perspective

[dense haven]

dude the rat haired clan gotta be imprtant because there is nothing shanks inherited from gargling

[trim lily]

the only other time i can think of getting a roger flashback is like, a garp flashback later

[wraith mantle]

also garling a pretty boy hk, she has to be a stunner to get his attention

[trim lily]

shamrock is so lucky he didnt have to style his hair like his father

[wraith mantle]

we need a backstory for that hairstyle

[leaden rivet]

Someway I think Blackbeard and shanks end up related

[wet condor]

Ooooooh boooooyyyy

[stone terrace]

[formal wagon]

yeah they're both davy clan

so is buggy

[trim lily]

davy clan is the new bucaneer

[formal wagon]

3/5 yonko are davy clan

[somber flare]

I like to think he did but then he decided to change it after seeing Shanks’ bounty for the first time

[tranquil blade]

Garling: "Son I want you to make your hair into the shape of a moon"
Shamrock: "I'm not fucking doing that dad"

[stone terrace]

Do we think eris and mama shanks talked a lot

[wet condor]

LMAO

[tranquil blade]

Garlings hoe is absurd

[wet condor]

Maaannn

[tranquil blade]

Just for that, Garling slander is doubling

[wet condor]

Idk though lol

[river loom]

Ts definitely happened

[formal wagon]

We saw injured garp go toe to toe with full health sengoku here. We know sengoku was roger's rival so garp > roger

[leaden rivet]

They’re cousins or maybe even sisters

[wet condor]

Be kind of sad if they were good friends lol

[tranquil blade]

They might've been friends

It's honestly possible

[wet condor]

Their sons wind up killing each other

Or one kills the other

[trim lily]

itd be weird if they were related considering xebec brought eris to god valley

[formal wagon]

yeah

[stone terrace]

Im calling her akamami until further notice

[trim lily]

wait nevermind shanks mom isnt a davy

[formal wagon]

actually eris isn't from GV

pinshamrock

that will be her name

when the name is so fire chat has to take a deep breathe to digest it

[leaden rivet]

Garling’s bm works.

[formal wagon]

unlimted big mom works

i am the bone of my cake

[trim lily]

im the fish to your bonen

[tranquil blade]

Dont reduce her to Garling's wife...

[trim lily]

i mean its either that or reduce her to shanks' mom

[tranquil blade]

I'd rather it be that

[leaden rivet]

That’s like…literally all she is

She doesn’t even have a face

She’s just that red haired girl Garling impregnated

[somber flare]

3rd party man 🥀

[formal wagon]

they weren't married

[leaden rivet]

She doesn’t even have a name either

[somber flare]

How can Gargling stocks keep getting lower with each chapter

[trim lily]

fishbonen gets a dog but not akainu

[tranquil blade]

I'm kinda mad that her entire character is gonna be just her being a mom or maybe having special lineage

[wraith mantle]

surely we will get more about shanks mom in shanks flashback

[formal wagon]

Confirmation fishbonen knew about god valley btw 😭

[tranquil blade]

Like there could've been more but I guess this works too

[stone terrace]

Im def unsatisfied with god valley itself

The island

[wraith mantle]

yall are getting mad about her siutation a bit too soon

[somber flare]

The holy knights are not too different from their fat ugly counterparts

[stone terrace]

Im hoping we get another flashback

[frail helm]

At least we know who his mom is. What about Luffy’s?

[trim lily]

luffy has no mother

nor does dragon

[wraith mantle]

toritoma

duh?

[formal wagon]

Dragon

[frail helm]

Luffy’s mom is the most mysterious character in the series.

[formal wagon]

Monkey the luffy

[trim lily]

dragon spawned luffy in

[river loom]

Well she’s Irrelevant but we might get her in some dragon flashback

[tranquil blade]

Garp it was probably just with a random woman, Luffy's mom might matter tho

not matter but

like have a name

[formal wagon]

well luffy is joyboy who was turned into a baby and sent into the future with his devil friut removed

[trim lily]

mhm

[stone terrace]

Garp was chilling with girls when he got the call about god valley

Dragon might be one of many

[formal wagon]

Platonically

[trim lily]

those were his besties

[formal wagon]

he wasn't interested in them

[frail helm]

Luffy’s mom was Roger’s sister

[stone terrace]

True he has eyes for one person

[tranquil blade]

Idk if Garp really is in a romantic relationship with anyone, lowkey he had eyes for Roger more than any man or woman

[formal wagon]

Kureha

[river loom]

Roger

[frail helm]

I do think Ace and Luffy was related tbh.

[trim lily]

roger and garp's relationship ended in tragedy just like harald and rocks'

the parallels

love doesnt win..

[formal wagon]

AHHHHHH PARRALLEL

IM MELTING

🫠

[trim lily]

[stone terrace]

I cant imagine garp having a relationship lol

Seems like the type of guy to bring work home

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Garp just wanted Roger, maybe that was enough for him

[wet condor]

The idea that Garp became a Marine so he could actually provide for his family lol

I wonder what he was doing before

[tranquil blade]

Whatever Luffy was doing before he became a pirate

[wet condor]

He was probably already strong and an experience fighter when he enlisted since he was 23

[stone terrace]

Headbutting boulders

[tranquil blade]

Which is probably beating the shit out of animals in the woods until he got old enough to become a marine

Maybe he like got a job in whatever village he grew up in for a few years but idk

[stone terrace]

23 is acc kinda late in life