also-manga

[sand plinth]

yeah hes dead by the island sinking

but i think he has some more final words

[iron oriole]

Garling & Shamrock both the same, can only do well against defenceless people

[lofty fern]

Hey @vital heart I think you are the only one who won predictions for Morj. Congrats

[tough igloo]

“ the King of the World …… IS REALLL !!! “

[woeful moth]

just pack it Rocks fans... he's dead dead... like he's probably beside Useless Captain Midd under the sea

[tough igloo]

as a rocks fan myself , i don’t understand why others want him to still be alive in present day lol

his era is over

[sand plinth]

he better not be alive in present day

[lofty fern]

Leave Shamrock alone, he was only doing his job. Unlike Garling over there

[latent hamlet]

One piece fan probably wants rocks to talk in his last moment and scream "MY LEGACY WILL END YOU IMU"

[tough igloo]

lol yeah old man rocks showing up isn’t needed

nor wanted lol

[iron oriole]

I will not, bro had to use his special doggy to attack a defenceless Loki

[latent hamlet]

Hes a bum
Attacks loki when bloodied chained weakened and acts like he's better and stronger

[lofty fern]

BB vs Rocks would interesting. BB could kill him just like he killed WB

[sand plinth]

i think he might be the one to tell gaban and ray how to damage the holy knights tho

[tough igloo]

lmao damn thanks to garling now shamrock getting slandered

well he had it coming anyways lol

[sand plinth]

catching strays

[lofty fern]

He also stopped Gunko from beating him to death. Loki shouldn't have provoked him

[iron oriole]

Nah i was saying this shit even before Garling got worse

[sand plinth]

shanks my goat but im ready to send some his way thats how much of a fraud garling is

[iron oriole]

Defenceless Loki & they tried so hard beating him

[latent hamlet]

I always thought shammy was a sham because he just attacks loki whose defenseless and tied up and stuff

And is like
"You're trash. So weak. Not worthy for me"

[woeful moth]

i would be angry... he made ace actually dead dead... and can't keep the old dude that times has passed alive... how old will rock be now? like 90?

[latent hamlet]

Shammy needed his better brother to weaken loki

[lofty fern]

I will always have hope for Sham. I was right about Harald, I'm hoping I'm right about Sham

[sand plinth]

its not happening tho, the whole point of one piece is passing the torch to the next generation so dont get too caught up on it

[lofty fern]

6 years before?

[iron oriole]

Loki: take the chains off and we'll go
Shamrock: Cerby attack! If you survive & get unchained, i'll be waiting! runs away

[latent hamlet]

Point still stands
Loki's still stuck down there chained up

[lofty fern]

Would you rather them let him go and then fight him? That's kinda dumb. Are they supposed to be Goku?

[lofty fern]

Kinda his own fault

[sand plinth]

couldnt even attack him point blank either, did it while flying away

[stone terrace]

Figarlands dont do fair fights

Get with the times

[latent hamlet]

Its just funny that shammy is so arrogant acting as if he can no diff loki and then sends his attack dog to beat up loki some more

[sand plinth]

"gunko lets go" i hope she doesnt see that my attack does 0 damage to weakened loki

[frigid gulch]

They literally attacked his friends. He has a right to want to get revenge for that

[tough igloo]

true , Shanks told us Chapter 1 they don’t fight fair cause they’re pirates not saints lol we just didn’t know that referred to his family as well

[frigid gulch]

Eh that’s a stretch

[sand plinth]

i dont think the saints fight fair

[frigid gulch]

But yea

[latent hamlet]

Meanwhile shanks in chapter 1
"We're pirates. We dont fight fair"

[frigid gulch]

CDs are the last people to fight fair

[hot cairn]

so the thing that beats Domi Reversi is just beating their asses? LOL okay Oda

[latent hamlet]

At least shanks is self aware

[sand plinth]

also a lot of references like that fail when u realise its probably not the same word in japanese

[tranquil blade]

You just have to hit them really really really hard

[urban lodge]

"Just use more haki"

[stone terrace]

Play ghost of tsushima

[urban lodge]

He's so washed man

[latent hamlet]

U just need to use the goku method on imu

Hit them

[tough igloo]

lol imagine Teach being labeled the champion of marineford for killing WB 😂

[latent hamlet]

Really really hard

[frigid gulch]

The answer is haki

[stone terrace]

"Honorable" people die first

😴

[hot cairn]

he's so funny

[frigid gulch]

[latent hamlet]

Goat game

[latent hamlet]

Honor died at the beach

[woeful moth]

wait people want some hocus pocus magic to beat domi reversi?

[latent hamlet]

Or in this case

[sand plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-monkey-d-dragon-gif-15006226

[latent hamlet]

Honor died when piracy was born

[stone terrace]

Dragon is a guerilla

[latent hamlet]

Or some shit idunno

[stone terrace]

😭

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-dark-side-anakin-skywalker-darth-vader-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-25702979

he really is the good anakin

[sand plinth]

Monkey D.D. Ragon is rly the goat of one piece

[vale heath]

Pirate warriors 4 dlc is out, Bonney has Kuma’s punch as a special

[tranquil blade]

Idk if it'll apply to the holy knights as well but if it does then that just means Gaban isn't strong enough to kill a holy knight anymore

[tulip olive]

FACT:ussop poisoned his mother so kaya would let him crack out of pity

[stone terrace]

Present day dragons aura loss needs to be studied

[woeful moth]

Pirate Warriors 4 is really our Xenoverse 2 huh?

[stone terrace]

Gets grumpier with each subsequent appearance

[vale heath]

I even play both…

[woeful moth]

infinite dlc money glitch

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/same-office-sad-gif-19573853

[stone terrace]

I find it really funny that xv1 and xv2 had a year gap and then they just never released a new one

[sand plinth]

idk dragon in god valley was the 2nd most goated character in one piece

[hazy turret]

Hiii

[woeful moth]

i think i even pre-ordered both

[hot cairn]

Dragon is goated

[woeful moth]

damn it was a long time ago when i pre ordered games

i never do that now tho

[hot cairn]

people hate on Dragon for no reason

[latent hamlet]

What's even funnier is that xv1 was so jank it was more like a mfing early build compared to xv2

Guys
Pirate warriors 5
Trust

We'll fight demon loki on elbaf

[tough igloo]

feels almost guaranteed at this point that the final fight of Elbaf is Nika vs Domi Loki

[latent hamlet]

We need to beat him using our trusted friends
Like carrot
Kinemon
Sabo
Kuzan
Cavendish and Barto

[tough igloo]

can’t see it being Imu yet

[tough igloo]

or Luffy is cooked lol

[vale heath]

Weedku

[cold steppe]

Even if it's Imu, it's going to be gunko imu

Not the main one

[tough igloo]

don’t matter

[woeful moth]

next game is Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot... they gonna give us a game like that... One Piece: Luffy

[tough igloo]

Imu didn’t show any signs of being nerfed or held back from being in gunko body

[hot cairn]

I've seen so much Harald hate geez

[stone terrace]

Is that a surprise

[latent hamlet]

Guys hear me out
In pirate warriors 5
We get Saturn
And then as a separate character
Angry Saturn

[woeful moth]

i don't hate him... i hate sengoku more like... whatever dragon told garp... that's me with sengoku

[hot cairn]

I know hating doesnt mean that the character is poorly written but some people cant understand that

[stone terrace]

But i really dont see that complaint

[hot cairn]

lol fair enough

[stone terrace]

Like usually with these "complex" characters no one says theyre badly written

We just treat them like actual people

And if I knew someone like harald, id say how i feel

[woeful moth]

also we think that the characters know the same information we have

[stone terrace]

Well scratch that actually he'd whoop my ass

[cerulean swallow]

oh man, i just finished reading the chapters, anyone can give me a bit of explaination why would herald do that, i thought he would do the opposite

[hot cairn]

I was about to say lol

[hot cairn]

yeah that's fair I guess

I think Harald is turning to be one of the most controversial characters in OP ngl

[woeful moth]

like being angry on how corrupt the government is... plus slavery being so bad... but in OP world slavery probably feels so normal to them and he don't know how deep the corruption in the WG actually is

[stone terrace]

What do garp sengoku and harald all have in common

The government

[pseudo gulch]

It sounded like you were gonna make a joke

[stone terrace]

So really characters involved with that will he the ones placed under a microscope

[cerulean swallow]

thanks, but its kinda confusing

[pseudo gulch]

ngl I'm disappointed

[latent hamlet]

Harald gonna beat u like he did that giant

And be like HOW DARE U CRITICIZE MY DESIRE FOR PEACE

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-rapsody-bet-awards2020-fight-get-out-gif-17829892

[fluid cedar]

Harald was being rejected by them though

[cold steppe]

If you're going to follow the government. Sengoku is the only one doing it right

[cerulean swallow]

and the way that Rockx died, he didnt deserved that

[cold steppe]

Otherwise quitting is the answer

[stone terrace]

Yep but he keeps bending over trying to get in with them

At seemingly any cost

[latent hamlet]

Harald is kind of stuck
If he's affiliated it'd give the world and people more reason to trust giants and not think they are rampaging monsters

He already lost good will because of that 1 random giant

[stone terrace]

We do know harald eventually turns the corner in some way. Im guessing it has to do with his kids

[latent hamlet]

If he backs out now he has to basically admit the giants are nothing more than destroyers and no peace for their generations to come

[stone terrace]

Maybe imu asked him to send loki over

And that was the final staw

[latent hamlet]

Ye its funny cuz like harald said he'd be a slave if we has to

back to present
HARALD FUCKED IT UP
GOD DAMN THAT HARALD
IF ONLY HARALD DIDNT DO THAT
THAT ACCURSED HARALD AND HIS MISTAKE

Like God damn did he punch imu

[fluid cedar]

He made giants frail

[hot cairn]

yeah I'm very interested on what specifically made Harald forsake everything he worked for by the end of his life

[latent hamlet]

He wanted the giants to have a peaceful life and not intense warriors
Granted I think he leaned too far in the side of so peaceful their combat ability declined but still

[hot cairn]

I think it's whatever happens to Ida

[stone terrace]

Maybe a holy knight visits elbaf and decides ida is pretty

And well, you know how the rest would go

[cerulean swallow]

yeah same here, i wonder how powerful he truly is

[azure wasp]

ya because people that wants to enslave me must the peacemakers

Incredible logic from harald

[lofty fern]

What if Ida is used as insurance for Harald? Kinda like Bonney for Kuma?

[brisk torrent]

Harlad is a slave i dispise people like that with power to chnge the world still weak will yo do anything

[ornate tartan]

🐐😴

[grand flower]

Pretty much

[pine ridge]

many such cases

[grand flower]

I truly don’t think so tbh

I think Haralds display here will win him a lot of support from WG kings

[hot cairn]

damn that's a perfect analogy lol

[stone terrace]

LMAO

[grand flower]

That support means he’s no longer desperate

[stone terrace]

i thought this was the other harsh

[ornate tartan]

penny what was your opinion on the end of rocks

[runic dock]

See older people get it

[ornate tartan]

forgot to ask😂

[runic dock]

Thanks

[urban lodge]

It was fine

[grand flower]

A lot of pirate stuff is pretty analogous to like, street life and gang warfare

Part of my Garp video is that what Ace did with Blackbeard is low-key like two street dudes shooting a store up tryna get at each other

[urban lodge]

It's unfortunate that we had to see his dumbass one more time but it was a good death

[grand flower]

Their beef affects the people around them and that’s what makes pirates dangerous

[tough igloo]

you think Teach knew he was Roger son ?

[hot cairn]

ohhhh

[cold steppe]

Harald hate is valid imo. But creatively, he's a great character

[fluid cedar]

No one else knew how would he

[lofty fern]

Like Riff and Tony~~ Let's see who gets that reference ~~

[cold steppe]

Not everyone needs to be perfect

[tranquil blade]

They really did just nuke some innocent villagers' homes

[stone terrace]

Yeah exactly

[hot cairn]

I get if people hate him but we all have to admit that he's a very nuanced character

[stone terrace]

Its fun to discuss harald

Your perspective is your own

Ik some people have family in the military nd whatnot

Sensitive topic

[hot cairn]

it really is

[cold steppe]

Yeah definitely

[hot cairn]

he's one of the best flashback characters Oda has made ngl

[lofty fern]

You should have seen it in spoilers. Even Oden and Kuma were getting strays

[hot cairn]

how?

and why

[urban lodge]

He's super interesting

[ornate tartan]

Harald was getting crazy slander

[tranquil blade]

Kuma strays 💔

[ornate tartan]

mostly reactionary stuff

[wet condor]

Prostrating yourself in front of the enemy is something people will naturally clown on you for

[lofty fern]

All of them bent the knee so they must all be female dogs

[hot cairn]

bruh

[wet condor]

Especially for the type of people who consume OP

[grand flower]

I don’t get Harald hate because Oda’s done a pretty good job at substantiating why Elbaph joining the WG is an act of sociological progress

It makes perfect sense for Harald

[ornate tartan]

same reasons people don’t like Garp but on a worse level

[grand flower]

Harald used to be a scumbag so that covers why the bad sides of the government doesn’t deter him

Even before this chapter, we saw people refusing to form allegiances with Elbaph because of the reputation of evil giants

[wet condor]

Yeah. Garp at least wasn't bowing his head to the government

But Harald is

[grand flower]

But pay attention to who Harald bows to

[wet condor]

And people don't care why he's doing it for

[grand flower]

High ranking marines and kings

NOT the CDs

Harald is bowing to the people who remain in the WG after the Dawn

NOT the nobles

[urban lodge]

Certain people think he went directly to Imu which is very funny

[tranquil blade]

We're seeing a split of characters who are willing to tolerate the bad in the government to achieve their goals and characters who refuse to be okay with it

[grand flower]

Fandom is cooked

[wet condor]

I mean thematically that imagery be meant to mean something.

[lofty fern]

I compare it to Kuma. He willingly became a slave to see his dream for Bonney through. Harald is willing to do whatever he has to in order to see his dream through

[hot cairn]

this is a matter of reading comprehension

[tranquil blade]

That's probably why Sengoku and Garp have that conversation this chapter

[hot cairn]

it's exactly like Sharon says

[sand plinth]

harald doin it because he wants peaceful lives for his country garp just lazy

[hot cairn]

look who he's talking to directly

[grand flower]

In front of other marines btw

[lofty fern]

? They think Imu just hangs around Marineford?

[grand flower]

I tried telling you

[wet condor]

Yeah. People will still talk about him however though lol

[ornate tartan]

I always say try to understand why someone is pushed to do something before shitting on him relentlessly

[urban lodge]

I guess lol

[grand flower]

Thank you lmao

[wet condor]

I think Harald's dream ain't worth it

[ornate tartan]

look at Harald expression

[grand flower]

Progress is always worth it

[alpine trench]

oda adding more panels for imu #nooticing

[ornate tartan]

he’s beside himself on how violent the giants have been in the past

[grand flower]

Haralds dream would improve lives in every country that joins him

That’s his goal, and it’s a noble ome we should all be fighting for

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/luffyscenes/status/1991519393864614185

👒 (@luffyscenes)

X · Nov 20, 2025, 2:49 PM

[grand flower]

Harald understands that humanity thrives best when we help each other

[wet condor]

"Progress" is subjective

[grand flower]

We should never dismiss that goal

[wet condor]

How you achieve it

[grand flower]

People coming together to help each other

[sand plinth]

“if you ever stay and get corrupted ill kill you myself!”

“killing innocent people? eh a little genocide isnt that bad dw about it”

[stone terrace]

Observation haki 📴

[frozen aspen]

yeah this made realize that the VA did not feel luffy around boa despite having haki

[grand flower]

Alright bro

[hot cairn]

people just forgot about this part lol

[sand plinth]

like this made garp worse ngl

[stone terrace]

If joining the wg was haralds only option then id support him a teensy bit more

[fossil nimbus]

I actually want bumgoku to sacrifice himself so we get Garp back. Sengoku never deserved a spot in the manga

[hot cairn]

what did you think of the chapter harsh?

[ornate tartan]

Harald is a good character

[wet condor]

Harald is fighting to change the world's perception of the giants. Which has some benefits for his people, but he's overextending. And there'll be people who never forgive them regardless

[ornate tartan]

no one will convince me otherwise

[grand flower]

Don’t worry. Sengoku created sword

[stone terrace]

It was simply a shortcut and not a good one at that

[frozen aspen]

Garp has been looking the other sode since day one why do u think dragon was angry with him specifically after GV

[sand plinth]

sengoku didnt there used to be a country called ohara here?

yeah we wiped it off the map and killed everyone there on my orders

ah no biggie thats not that corrupt

[lofty fern]

The person who deserves the excrement is Garling and people just forgot about him and go straight to Harald

[wet condor]

I can appreciate Harald's sentiment in a way. I think it's just naive. Not the guiding principle of how I'd be making foreign policy decisions within my country

[fossil nimbus]

Impossible

[grand flower]

It’s not just that. Harald doesnt just want to improve the giants’ image, he wants to share Elbaph’s resources and capabilities with others. We saw earlier that’s his primary motivation

[stone terrace]

Theres literally no point in criticizing garling morally

[hot cairn]

oh brother

[alpine trench]

pretty great

[stone terrace]

He killed his baby momma just because

[grand flower]

Harald is motivated by his experiences with Ida

[stone terrace]

Where do we go from there

[frozen aspen]

tbf i think that was kong but we know that Sengoku was involved in other countries doom

[grand flower]

She showed him how giants can HELP people

And that changed him

That’s what motivates him. Harald is an altruistic man

[tough igloo]

I feel like if Sengoku created SWORD then I feel like he would’ve known them & Garp went to Hachinosu but he was shocked by it

[runic dock]

West side story! Deep cut lol

[hot cairn]

You can almost forget how cooked this fandom is until you see people's reaction to Harald this chapter

[grand flower]

He wouldn’t csuse the point of sword is to have no leader

[frozen aspen]

what if sword was invented by fujitora, the only marine with a spine

[tough igloo]

but Drake is their leader (at least out in the field ) though , he’s the captain of sword

[alpine trench]

i didnt get near any discussion of this chapter for a reason

[ornate tartan]

lol he’s gonna have one of the greatest conclusions with his great blunder and all people gonna be doin is celebrating his death like he’s a villain

[runic dock]

And then you find out your homie got lit up in a drive by outside his own house , you can’t help but be the hardest to cry when you find out , like a piece of those old days gone forever

[stone terrace]

If the drive by was the FBI

😭

https://tenor.com/view/ronald-reagan-reagan-salute-i-salute-you-saluting-gif-5158364961076366062

[hot cairn]

it's ridicoulus man LOL

[wet condor]

I bet he'll have been regretting this decision when he dies lol

Maybe not

[alpine trench]

garling feats updated:

• kill innocent civilians in a sadistic game
• kill his baby mother
• kill mjosgard
• kill rocks while he's defeated and on the verge of death on the ground

a real standup guy

[hot cairn]

yeah fr

[stone terrace]

Look at that killcount

[tranquil blade]

Garling so tuff when he kills people who cant fight back, and loses to anyone who can 🥹

[alpine trench]

the man is just so tough

[grand flower]

@tough igloo Sengoku and Corazon answered calls to each other with food-based code words

Koby and Drake did the same thing in Wano.

Turning in marine codes to infiltrate pirate crews is what Drake and Corazon both did

Sengoku raised both Drake and Corazon

[hot cairn]

he does something by the end that goes against what the WG wanted tho so we'll see

[bold sonnet]

🐐

[alpine trench]

"garling gave whitebeard his scars at god valley" theory busted unfortunately

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-gif-11163798864566121593

[tranquil blade]

Fortunately

[hot cairn]

truly a hatable villain

[hazy turret]

Strongest wg simp of today vs strongest wg simp of all time

[tranquil blade]

It would've been a poor mark on Whitebeard's record

[prisma yacht]

Imagine pulling the biggest op feat while sleeping 🐐😂

[grand flower]

This is so gratifyintv

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-pim-boss-dap-up-dap-gif-8415774257595508216

[ornate tartan]

Harald from this point on will be the main focus for the next couple of chapters at least

[sand plinth]

seeing shanks family the only way i can make sense of whitebeard scars is if it was actually just shanks in a wig and makeup and prosthetic arm

[stone terrace]

Smiling friends 🤮

[hot cairn]

LMAO

[alpine trench]

i love smiling friends

[ornate tartan]

the double spread when he took out his horns was tough

[tough igloo]

exactly so if Sengoku was in charge of SWORD then i would think at the very least someone from SWORD would’ve secretly called him (like corazon. did ) and told him about them invading Blackbeard island

[sand plinth]

harald is a good character and garp is a bad character

[tranquil blade]

Bro hates good things no wonder you're a Garling fan

[hot cairn]

how is garp a bad character

[prisma yacht]

Everything he did this chapter was tuff 😆

[hot cairn]

cook him @grand flower

[urban lodge]

Garp is possibly the best written character in the series

[soft tangle]

Holy glaze

[hazy turret]

Did it already become rick and morty esque?

[sand plinth]

explain pls

[prisma yacht]

Warp

[stone terrace]

Idk anything about it the art is just yucky

[hazy turret]

Oh brother

[tranquil blade]

What does that mean Rokaya

[hot cairn]

I know exactly what rokaya means

but no Rokaya

[sand plinth]

i feel like garp was written before oda made the government so black and white evil, and the more he reveals the dumber garp looks

[hot cairn]

not yet

[stone terrace]

The most annoying mf you know is a rick and morty stan

[hazy turret]

It’s coming

[tranquil blade]

Doomer

[alpine trench]

look man i dont like rick and morty but smiling friends is awesome

[hazy turret]

Enjoy it while it lasts, guys

[urban lodge]

The fact that we argue about his morality every single day here is just proof of it, that's all intentional by Oda, we're supposed to be conflicted about his morals

[alpine trench]

and no it didnt become like rick and morty

it hasnt flanderized itself

[proud pivot]

xebec one tapped by garling what a fraud

[hot cairn]

ik you hate garp but you cant really say he's poorly written lol

[hazy turret]

Who said all of that?

[sand plinth]

i actually attribute that more to a case of reading comprehension

[alpine trench]

what

[hazy turret]

I don’t think he’s the best written character, that’s all

[alpine trench]

amazing argument

[stone terrace]

The best written character is

[alpine trench]

whitebeard

[hazy turret]

Buggy

[sand plinth]

his morality is pretty simple, i just think he is portrayed as more “good” than he actually is

[stone terrace]

gar||ling||

[soft tangle]

One that died

[hot cairn]

ah okay

[woeful moth]

its easily Luffy

[alpine trench]

garling >>>>> garfield

[hazy turret]

Icon, you are the only one still on that ship

[stone terrace]

Im a lone wolf by nature

[alpine trench]

fuck that lazy ass cat and his annoying ass monday shtick

[prisma yacht]

Penny said possibly so it's more like one of the best which is true

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/slaysol-sad-depressed-wolf-gif-26432334

[soft tangle]

Not switching up is so respectable

[cold steppe]

I get this point, but I've never looked at "thinking of how people see you" as a good thing, even if it's a ruler. In fact a ruler only need to care about these things within his territory (in this case elbaf) going around the world doing too much to fix things is not only not his responsibility, but also completely degrading his personality. But I get the desperation which is exactly why I think his character is great in terms of creativity

[latent hamlet]

Plot twist
Garling final opponent
Is mihawk

The battle of frauds

[prisma yacht]

The goat 🐐🗣️🔥

[hot cairn]

garp is one of the best written tho

[hazy turret]

I could probably pick out 20 characters better written imo

[hot cairn]

do it

[hazy turret]

But hey it’s all opinion

[hazy turret]

No

[alpine trench]

dont mention kid

he's not in that list

[hot cairn]

drop 20 characters better written than Garp

right now

[woeful moth]

tbh that list is long...

[muted hedge]

Dragon going up against Garling would be interesting to see

[hazy turret]

Shame garling never will be

[prisma yacht]

I'd like to see ur list if u don't mind

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-rollins-wrestlemania-41-entrance-2025-wwe-gif-15554647070204666210

[hazy turret]

I’m literally about to sleep soon

[prisma yacht]

Holy W krome

[muted hedge]

better written than who?

[hot cairn]

drop it and then go to sleep

[sand plinth]

hihimaru > garp

[prisma yacht]

Aight then top 5

[latent hamlet]

....so do u think garling enjoys eating garlic

[stone terrace]

Sanji?

I wont do this this week

[prisma yacht]

You baiting

[sand plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hihimaru-one-piece-gif-6326402862368782070

[stone terrace]

Luffy downscale

[soft tangle]

Shanks never had a super team

[sand plinth]

should be whitebeard and roger

[woeful moth]

strawhats that's 11... then roger, oden, rocks, dragon, kuma, doflamingo, law, katakuri, whitebeard... that's 20 equally to better written than garp

[hazy turret]

Luffy, hancock, big mom, sanji, and law

[sand plinth]

honestly time to bust out 20 pirate crews that are better written than garp

[soft tangle]

Rocks gaps half the strawhats

[sand plinth]

half?

[hot cairn]

fair

[ornate tartan]

u think ppl like chopper and katakuri are better written then garp u done lost ur damn mind

cmon man😂

[wet condor]

He got out of their good graces eventually, yeah

Imu was giving a peculiar look

[hazy turret]

They are

[wet condor]

Maybe they didn't like what he did

[ornate tartan]

that’s a very bold take

[soft tangle]

Blackbeard so slept on till this day

[woeful moth]

they are equally compelling characters... with deep stories to them... from the humanity of chopper to the supposedly undefeatable katakuri

[sand plinth]

i mean i cant say garp is poorly written until i see his conclusion, but so far his shortcomings arent given the focus they deserve to make his character well written

like its kinda the point of his character in theory, but in practice its not really shown and noone cares

[woeful moth]

Garp is not poorly written... he is an incredibly written character

[stone terrace]

Yup, the only time garp has ever even been confronted on this is by dragon right now

[soft tangle]

Oda knows Garp gets cooked in a one to one Dragon conversation

[sand plinth]

in general marine characters require a massive suspension of disbelief that they are this brainwashed

[fossil nimbus]

Even if it's true, I can't stop being a Sengoku hater

[muted hedge]

Sengoku is questionable, yeah

[hot cairn]

they'll get their focus soon

[woeful moth]

even Sengoku is a very compelling character and i fckin despise him

[sand plinth]

akainu tried to kill koby??? does anyone remember that or am i crazy??? and koby stayed in the marine long enough to get promotions and stuff… AKAINU IS FLEET ADMIRAL

[woeful moth]

i despise him because he's written good

[sand plinth]

like u gotta be insane, but oda just breezes past it

[muted hedge]

Sengoku needs more coverage overall

[sand plinth]

i would call that bad writing on behalf of those characters

[stone terrace]

Theres 2 ways to make a character very hateable. Have them fuck with characters that are loved, and have them be a realistically evil monster

[hot cairn]

the fact that Garp can cause this type of reaction everytime he's in a chapter shows how well written it is

[sand plinth]

i love one piece, but specifically marine characters are poorly written

[muted hedge]

they aren't poorly written, lol

[fossil nimbus]

No, he needs to sacrifice himself for Garp so he can finally get out of the manga

[stone terrace]

Third way is just make them really annoying but thats usually bad lol

[sand plinth]

no it doesnt

[golden valley]

Why should Koby quit because of Akainu?

[stone terrace]

Fackin trebol

[muted hedge]

if you say so

[golden valley]

Akainu doesn’t define Koby’s dream

[woeful moth]

his contradictions just fckin baffles me... and it fckin compels me to really want to know the whole character behind the supposed character with the "enlightened one" power

[sand plinth]

“this movie was shit”

“ah well you are talking about it so it must be good!”

“… no im telling you its shit”

[fossil nimbus]

yep I do

[latent hamlet]

Koby was interfering in marine duties and actively helping the enemy

But im ngl
People probably didnt even know it was koby

[upbeat yarrow]

smol brain: kuma is the best written character
big brain: garp is the best written character
GALAXY BRAIN: brook will be the best written character after gunko backstory

[latent hamlet]

They just thought "this random dood"

[hot cairn]

COOK

[lofty fern]

When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dying day!

[hot cairn]

banger movie

[alpine trench]

which version are you talking about

[lofty fern]

So I'm team Shanks then

[upbeat yarrow]

even tolkien will come back, the very peak of literature is brooks second backstory

[hot cairn]

I havent seen the Spielberg version

[prisma yacht]

Why Hancock n bm
Law is understandable

[woeful moth]

i hate west side story

[alpine trench]

its incredible

[prisma yacht]

Surprised to see robin isn't on ur list

[muted hedge]

it'll be very interesting to get more spotlight on the early years of Brooks life

[hot cairn]

I've seen some shots and it looks insane I need to watch it

[lofty fern]

I've seen both, both are good, though the original is the only one I can recall from pure memory

[sand plinth]

if the narrative framed garp as morally incoherent and complex and showed how his actions and inaction affected the people around him and the world at large then that would be good writing

or if he made better decisions that justify the way he is portrayed as a character, or at the very least if we saw the effects of anything he has done to warrant being shown in the light he is.

as he is, garp makes questionable decisions, and has no pushback from the narrative

or if you think he makes good decisions, they arent even rewarded by the narrative

he just does nothing

[muted hedge]

i disagree

[woeful moth]

btw i was talking about sengoku there

is the "enlightened one" not good enough clue?

should i literally say BUDDHA

[prisma yacht]

We dk shit about roger yet and u have him so up high 😭

[sand plinth]

oh i think i responded to wrong one then soz

[brittle basin]

one piece

[sand plinth]

i find sengoku better written than garp tho for the same reasons

because he IS portrayed as a morally grey, if not darker character

[brittle basin]

Sengoku definitely feels on the darker side of gray.

But also just a dude who kind of loves propaganda maybe?

[muted hedge]

Sengoku admitted that he turns a blind eye

[brittle basin]

yeah that was fucked

[sand plinth]

yeah i think sengoku is interesting

[stone terrace]

If i was as powerful as garp

Im beating the dog piss out of sengoku

Then shaving his afro

[brittle basin]

senogoku is complicated, but I would like to hear more of his dialogue to get a better and more nuanced picture

[muted hedge]

we need more coverage of him

[sand plinth]

dont hate the player hate the game

[brittle basin]

he seems to care about the populace, but will also actively turn a blind eye to atrocity

i guess he views it as worth it

[muted hedge]

i am lead to believe that it's because he has given up hope that it could be changed

[ornate tartan]

seperate personal bias when ranking stuff like character writing

[brittle basin]

i'm ok with this as an explanation.

[azure wasp]

No marine with authority is in grey zone

[brittle basin]

Also, it was slightly confusing in the paneling, but I'm guessing Rayleigh and Gaban had some small window of time to pick up Roger and Garp before the Garling and co. showed up to finish off Rocks?

[urban lodge]

Yeah that's the point, he's not a reformist, but he's raising people who will actually bring change to the marines and the world

[sand plinth]

sengoku will actively carry out atrocities and even convince others to, in the name of just following orders
and this is shown as evil

garp is not willing to carry out these actions, but he has the knowledge and power to prevent them but is not willing to
and is portrayed as heroic

this is my main beef with garp i guess

[brittle basin]

i'm careful to use words like "pure evil" that's why I say the darker side of gray.

[muted hedge]

seems like they picked up Garp and Roger right before Garling, Sommers and Maffey arrived

[azure wasp]

You don't need to say pure evil, just say evil

[brittle basin]

well I can't say evil because I'm evil. I would recognize it immediately

😈

[tulip turtle]

So now how will they know that the baby's name is shanks

[brittle basin]

So, how are we feeling about the Thriller Bark=God Valley theory now?

[urban lodge]

Probably written in his clothes or something

[muted hedge]

thanks to a nametag i assume

[tulip turtle]

hmm

[muted hedge]

that theory went down with God Valley

[fossil nimbus]

every single day

[brittle basin]

How did Moria get the corpses if they sunk into the ocean?

[blazing mantle]

Basically confirmed

[azure wasp]

Ah yes the

The victims propaganda think marines is good therefore marines is good propaganda must be true

[brittle basin]

i thought it was confirmed last chapter, but how does Moria pull the isle up from the ocean? I mean it looks like it's sinking completely right?

[blazing mantle]

The two monkey twins

They weren’t twins but you get it

[brittle basin]

did he send Oars diving into the hole?

[blazing mantle]

Oh

Sure

That also works

[muted hedge]

i think most of them managed to escape, no?

[blazing mantle]

Nah some of them 100% died on god valley

[golden valley]

Well no one died on GV apart from Rocks

[iron oriole]

They all seemed to escape

[brittle basin]

shit i don't even know now

[blazing mantle]

They got my goat Gil

😢

[thorny peak]

They are still alive though 😭

[azure wasp]

Oars didn't have a shadow till luffy

[brittle basin]

dammit wait good point. they are alive aren't they

[prisma yacht]

Eos after they achieve their respective dreams sure
For now except Luffy sanji
I don't see anyone above garp from the strawhats.

Apart from them u can argue about kuma wb doffy....
Dragon sure but not yet he has to get more peaks and coverage

Katakuri nahh man I just can't picture him above garp....why do u have him above? Like for the love he has for his siblings?

[muted hedge]

if i remember correctly it was only Roger pirates, Rocks and Garp left on the island at the climax

[brittle basin]

Well, RIP Thriller Bark theory. Oda, you hack.

[stone terrace]

Never cared for it

[muted hedge]

and the God Knights

[brittle basin]

it was neat

[stone terrace]

God valley sinking this way is unsatisfying for me however

[brittle basin]

well at least we know Uranus wasn't used

[blazing mantle]

Did you want it to get carpet bombed like lulusia

[latent hamlet]

Probably cuz its literally just coincidental

[iron oriole]

Rayleigh & Gaban too

[brittle basin]

i'm guessing the whole lightning bolt panel was just symbolic

[stone terrace]

That would make more sense to me

[muted hedge]

yeah, that's the Roger pirates

[latent hamlet]

It only sank because demon rocks is confirmed island tier

[stone terrace]

Like the fight wasnt THAT crazy for an entire island to collapse imo

[runic dock]

Rocks be like:

[iron oriole]

Oh lmao i just read "Roger" & completely blanked the "Pirates"

[stone terrace]

And then theres the cryptic convo that saturn had with imu

The unique culture of god valley

I would think theres something more to the island

[latent hamlet]

You'd think big mom kaido and wb fought with their best moves even more against rocks which caused the destruction

[runic dock]

I still believe!! There’s a 10% chance!

[brittle basin]

yeah i agree with this, nothing about the fighting felt powerful enough for that. what WB did at MF felt island destroying (which he could've done here btw since he previously did it at that one organization they robbed earlier in the flashback).

[latent hamlet]

There was also no buster call

[woeful moth]

every strawhat even not EOS is so much more compelling... you actually need to reread one piece... you have a recency bias... each of their story and growth through the journey is better than whatever Garp has right now

[latent hamlet]

God valley sinking is just

Environment damage

[restive wedge]

Ya it was gonna sink anyways prob just timing

[golden valley]

Nah

[iron oriole]

Oda toying with people with the "consumed by fog" line... Thriller Bark lurked in the fog of the Florian Triangle....

[sweet anvil]

What

[brittle basin]

probably my least favorite chapter in a long while: not a fan of how the island disappeared, Rocks getting killed by Garling, and then the short as hell dialogue with Garp and Dragon.

[golden valley]

GV wasn’t a destabilized island

[muted hedge]

i think the dialogue between Dragon and Garp while short, was perfect

[golden valley]

I did wanna see more of the davy clan

[upbeat yarrow]

i still believe in the thriller bark theory but i dont think we have anything about how to unsink an island, or even a ship, have we?

[brittle basin]

Oh, also...Rocks didn't know who Nika was???? I was so confident he knew a shit ton about history. Guess not.

[runic dock]

Hmmm…Roger and wb clash also didn’t make that island crumble

Hmmmm

[golden valley]

Honestly, GV in itself is just…lacking stuff

[latent hamlet]

Rocks cant read. Thats why

[urban lodge]

Rocks knows exactly the convenient amount that Oda needs him to know

[brittle basin]

i loved GV for the most part, but if it's lacking stuff, it's probably due to the pacing.

[latent hamlet]

Not island tier

[urban lodge]

And no, we will not find out how he knows any of it

[brittle basin]

[runic dock]

You’ll get the things you want from the perspective of other flashbacks , not necessarily GV but the perspectives you’re looking for

[upbeat yarrow]

it seems oda is intentionally hiding plenty of stuff about god valley's enviroment

[runic dock]

Davy clan and such

[latent hamlet]

Wait
U know who can destroy an island?

GEAR 5 LUFFY

[woeful moth]

the short dialogue is what it made it so good... their faces... and the atmosphere on those panels... its gut wrenching... atleast to me

[muted hedge]

the expectations people had for God Valley was quite unreachable

[golden valley]

Yeah i could see that

[latent hamlet]

Gear 5 luffy is already stronger than demon rocks

[runic dock]

Maybe it’s because they didn’t hold back in GV?

[sweet anvil]

No he isn’t ?

[prisma yacht]

I was also surprised to see no one mentioned Blackbeard in their list 😂

[woeful moth]

its like time stopped there

[soft tangle]

Goat underrated till the series ends

[brittle basin]

No, I get it. I understand why it can be enjoyable from that perspective, I just expected a bit more than that, however. Or rather, I wanted a bit more.

[latent hamlet]

Well
Roger and garp didnt destroy the island
Rocks was
And luffy can already punch a giant hole in onigashima
Therefore
Luffy is equal or stronger than rocks

[brittle basin]

But I guess Garp saying a single word is in line with his singular minded personality

[sweet anvil]

Is whitebeard stronger than rocks

[runic dock]

Sun god is a sign the end times are coming not necessarily that he CAUSES the end times , and if he does tbh it’s for the better , lot of context involved

[frigid gulch]

In the end.. Rocks did die cause he was abandoned

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[iron oriole]

Fucking snakes, Roger included

[ornate tartan]

👀

[runic dock]

It’s a story about love

[woeful moth]

no the full reason is... he can't actually say anything back...

[golden valley]

Roger was too weakened to move

[latent hamlet]

Nope

[runic dock]

Yeah lol referring to you posting that

[brittle basin]

you mean about Imu's presence on the isle?

[stone terrace]

Harald is fake wb is fake kaido is fake all yall fake

[woeful moth]

like anything he says will never make sense

[iron oriole]

Excuses

[frigid gulch]

Nah Roger wanted him to be saved

[woeful moth]

dragon is right

[stone terrace]

This is why bb has no friends

[brittle basin]

i get that

[latent hamlet]

One piece is fake

[prisma yacht]

No I don't think I'm having a recency bias

Bcs for me the peak of garp was in marineford
His portrayal of moral dilemma is unparalleled thruout the series

Don't get me wrong tho all the strawhats are peak
It's just I love internal conflicts

[sweet anvil]

So Whitebeard who can destroy an island as well is not equal or stronger than rocks but Luffy is just because he can destroy an island ?

What

[golden valley]

Tho yeah, if the rest of the rocks pirate didn’t leave, Rocks would’ve been saved

[iron oriole]

"Rayleigh grab Rocks too" but no

[frigid gulch]

It seems more like Garling killed Rocks before they arrived

[runic dock]

Beginning of the chapter shows that domi reversi is gone from xebec right?

[sweet anvil]

Would’ve had 3 HK chasing him

[woeful moth]

no one knows its Imu...

[iron oriole]

Oh no...

3 chumps

[woeful moth]

[stone terrace]

I think garling stabbed rocks, they swooped in and took them and ran

[brittle basin]

oh yeah for sure, i guess i should've said "big blob thingy"

[upbeat yarrow]

just like his bloodline, abandoned from the records of time

[prisma yacht]

Definitely top 5 eos
He might even surpass doffy soon as an antag 🐐🔥🗣️

[golden valley]

The Island-Eater Goldfish that Dorry and Brogy killed is just G5 Luffy and Demon Rocks level. Dorry and Brogy can oneshot them confirmed

[restive wedge]

Rayleigh carrying 2 people would mean he can't use his arms

[frigid gulch]

I mean they could’ve blasted all 3 with conquerors

[restive wedge]

Zoro could've saved Rocks if he was there

[sweet anvil]

Yeah alone he would be fine but while trying to protect 2 people is too much

[woeful moth]

that thing that attacked the innocent... what about it? like what do you want him to say? he controls everything? he doesn't know that

[golden valley]

Also, I don’t think Imu used a CoC flex on the island btw

[frigid gulch]

But it was over anyway

[woeful moth]

the only thing he knows... Dragon knows already... that big blob thing attacked everything and everyone

[brittle basin]

i think Dragon was more pissed about the hunting that took place and that he believes his father directly supports it

[wet condor]

True, it wouldn't have anything to do with him stabbing people in the back

[iron oriole]

Rayleigh already sent 1 of the 3 HKs flying away & has Gaban to support, they could have quickly tapped them out & dipped

[frigid gulch]

Rayleigh’s hands were full. He was carrying Roger, the SH, and Ace

[cold steppe]

He would've died with him because he can't find the ship

[sweet anvil]

The island is already sinking they don’t want to drag out a fight

[tranquil blade]

Likely Rayleigh and Gaban got there as Rocks was getting stabbed, and decided to just pick up Roger and Garp and leave

[stray prism]

@olive sigil incase i forget ill pick garling and sommers next chapter

[frigid gulch]

I know but a blast is only one powerful shot

[tranquil blade]

Maybe they hurt the holy knights a little before running off but I doubt they would fight for long

[frigid gulch]

Not a fight

[sweet anvil]

It took rocks some time to take out garling even though it wa low diff it did take up time the island is already sinking they don’t have time for ts

[latent hamlet]

WB didnt destroy God valley tho
He only destroyed a small mountain thingey

[runic dock]

I figured the opposite , that they arrived before the holy knights did , took their own boys and booked it and as they were leaving they saw holy knights approach rocks

[sweet anvil]

He is capable of destroying an island

[soft tangle]

Whitebeard got his ass one shot by Rocks and dipped, earned some Bum points

[latent hamlet]

Froot hax

[stone terrace]

Have we considered that it actually wouldnt be easy to defeat them and it wasnt worth the fight

😭

[iron oriole]

You don't need to completely take them out in this situation, you just need to make them not be in front of you anymore... which Rayleigh did to Sommers once already

[sweet anvil]

Bajrang gun is only capable because of luffys fruit

[restive wedge]

This flashback got me kinda stressing since the destruction was kinda underwhelming. Hopefully final war will have more moments like Marineford

[stone terrace]

They just did the jimbei shit at best

[sweet anvil]

He’d need a fuck ton of conq to one shot garling which he might not have he’s not exactly rocks

[tranquil blade]

Eh Gaban could just throw out a slash and force them to regenerate for a few seconds and run off

[shell scroll]

cant showcase the strength too much thats why

[latent hamlet]

Ye but beeg fist isnt as hax as giant sea shifting earth quake

[golden valley]

Final War is the big scale battles. This arc isn’t really that

[frigid gulch]

Ultimately it should’ve been Rocks’ crew saving him

[sweet anvil]

Ok they’re still both hax

[frigid gulch]

Can’t really put it on the Roger Pirates

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[iron oriole]

Oneshot ≠ sending someone a distance away so you can grab Roger, Rocks & Garp & escape

[frigid gulch]

But of course

[sweet anvil]

Whitebeard shouldve slid

[woeful moth]

what do you want him to say? he doesn't know that will happen? that's just admitting ignorance which Dragon already knows he did... its reiteration of things that Dragon already knows

[frigid gulch]

The crew wasn’t like that

[runic dock]

Yes , if rocks crew was actually united like luffys , rocks wouldn’t even get to this point of needing saving

[golden valley]

All DF’s are hax by this logic

[muted hedge]

you can't place that on them either, since their crew dynamic was never based on trust

[frigid gulch]

Yep

[latent hamlet]

They defy nature after all

[runic dock]

That in itself is the tragedy of the rocks crew as a unit

[golden valley]

Yeah, but still are defined by power

[sweet anvil]

Garling although I slander him I think he’s somewhat close to Rayleigh in strength and he’s been fully regened whilst ray is fatigued he can’t really just move him out the way easily

[upbeat yarrow]

dont worry i had some drinks with oda last night, he told me the moon's gonna crash into mariejoie during final war🔥

[frigid gulch]

Yes but I’m saying it in a hypothetical sense

[muted hedge]

yeah, they weren't meant to last

[frigid gulch]

That it’s what normally would be the case

[restive wedge]

Fujitora the GOAT as always

[latent hamlet]

In an alt timeline

"Listen I know we got our beef but that there is the ruler of the world. He's after my family. Help me save my family and kill him"

Every1: ok

The rocks ending

[frigid gulch]

Even if it was just Whitebeard there tbh

[runic dock]

Harald , rocks crew , Roger , garp: okay we’ll help

[sweet anvil]

No one would be able to stop the domi reversi

[latent hamlet]

Disclaimer: Wang zhi was killed after they defeated imu and went home

[frigid gulch]

He coulda saved him

[runic dock]

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[golden valley]

Fujitora accidentally brings down unintended big meteors. Thats why I find it hilarious that a blind man has such a destructive fruit

[sweet anvil]

sadly whitebeard didn’t slide

[frigid gulch]

The very few members that actually had some semblance of connection

They also felt they got betrayed

[golden valley]

COOOOK

[frigid gulch]

That’s why Oda did it that way

[sweet anvil]

Which was dumb asf

[runic dock]

By rocks , because they didn’t understand domi

Another tragedy of it all

[golden valley]

Wang Zhi death panel, I WILL BE THERE

[frigid gulch]

Pretty much

[brittle basin]

After 1100+ chapters, it would be nice to have them argue, or say anything at all beyond a mere few words; i'm convinced Oda would normally have done that, but his pacing has picked up speed in recent years, so he brushes over stuff like this.

[sweet anvil]

You don’t need to understand domi to see rocks wasn’t in control

[urban lodge]

Oh we didn't see Wang Zhi celebrating

[iron oriole]

Sommers & Maffey dealt with easily & then they can combo Garling away, its not hard to imagine & when people are fatigued etc & pushed to the edge thats usually when things peak

All they had to do was pull a combo off like Luffy & co did to Mars in Egghead really, its not about actually defeating them or not

[urban lodge]

Oda is a hack

[latent hamlet]

Even if u ignore that
Rocks ran off
And Roger and garp only stayed to contain him from attacking every1 else

[muted hedge]

wasn't it said somewhere that his observation haki is on such a level where he can locate the meteors in outer space

[latent hamlet]

They had no reason to really....chase him

[golden valley]

We’ll see Wang Zhi taking control of Hachinosu

[runic dock]

Nah from their perspective they couldn’t tell that was a taken over form or a power up it just seemed like he betrayed, it’s easy for us to say that we see and hear everything as readers , he never even told them about his family

They’d think he’s got all kinds of reasons to betray if he did

[latent hamlet]

"Huh. None of em came back. GUESS ITS MINE NOW"

[woeful moth]

the problem is... Garp can't argue... he fully knows he is wrong

[golden valley]

Nah, but he probably does use his CoO

[latent hamlet]

Wang zhi had squatters rights

[sweet anvil]

Not exactly worth it for a guy that’s not their captain and they have no connection to

Whitebeard and kaido should’ve slid

[restive wedge]

Maybe he's using the gravitational waves to enhance his observation haki

[iron oriole]

If their own Captain told them to however it would be a lot different

It is what it is though

[runic dock]

WB and kaido were until rocks looked like he turned on them , that was the whole point , a misunderstanding turned into tragedy

[sweet anvil]

He was unconscious I believe since he asked where rocks was

[frigid gulch]

Roger wanted him to be saved

He didn’t come to until later

[brittle basin]

[iron oriole]

Would have liked at least an attempt at them taking Rocks too

[sweet anvil]

He became 2x bigger and grew giant teeth

You don’t have to be a detective to connect the dots

[latent hamlet]

U forget
People in one piece are dumb

[runic dock]

You kinda do tbh , they don’t know shit about rocks in a personal level , that could be a power up!!

[frigid gulch]

[latent hamlet]

This was actually Rocks secret devil fruit

[runic dock]

They wouldn’t know or be able to tell

[latent hamlet]

Human human fruit
Model: devil

[runic dock]

Easily

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-frustrated-wolf-of-wall-street-annoyed-smh-gif-9553858

[stone terrace]

Rocks really was the best

[runic dock]

He could have been hiding shit from them in their eyes

[runic dock]

What’s so hard to understand that’s what Oda was writing lmao

You’re arguing with the manga

[brittle basin]

Wocks

[latent hamlet]

When imu stabbed rocks
Rocks actually said "all according to keikaku. Morb me now"

[brittle basin]

i love u rocks. i miss u buddy.

[proper sun]

that's what happens when you get your crewmates through davy back fights...they join you because they've lost the game, not because they actually believe in you

[runic dock]

100%

[sweet anvil]

Yeah so rocks got stabbed by a devil and transformed into a devil looking form then lost all sanity that definitely sounds like a secret transformation

[frigid gulch]

If he intended to eat the fruit, I don’t see how he would’ve hid that. At some point, he would say “we’re ready, let’s go” and they’d figure he had all the pieces

[restive wedge]

Black alien tentacle thing that has never been seen before that impales rocks vs rocks is hiding a fruit and decides to betray us now

[frigid gulch]

Since he didn’t say that

He likely wasn’t ready

[runic dock]

He Got attacked and had a convo they couldnt hear

That’s all

[latent hamlet]

Ok hear me out

What if
The rocks pirates
Just dont care

[runic dock]

You’re filling in the blanks with facts you know as reader

[sweet anvil]

The context of the transformation makes 0 sense

[latent hamlet]

[runic dock]

Same with any transformation in one piece

[latent hamlet]

They got smacked and was like
Maybe i should go

[runic dock]

To any pirate

Just looking

[stone terrace]

Yep rocks was alone but not truly

[frigid gulch]

But he never forced any of them to stay

He told them

[stone terrace]

His family was his weak spot

He shouldve committed

[sweet anvil]

@runic dock just real quick in 1 sentence say what your point is I just want to hear this one more time

[frigid gulch]

If you don’t believe in my plan

[brittle basin]

Imu heard the word slave and got excited

[muted hedge]

devil fruits were plenty in God Valley

[iron oriole]

They know something was done to him

[frigid gulch]

Then you can leave

[latent hamlet]

But they stayed for personal profit

[frigid gulch]

Yea

[latent hamlet]

There was no more profit to continue their allegiance with rocks in that moment

He turned into a demon and smacked em

No better time to bail

[frigid gulch]

They had autonomy

Just because Rocks got them to join through a Davy Back Fight doesn’t mean he compelled them to stay

[latent hamlet]

WB stayed initially but once rocks ran off he's like

Welp. Time to move on

[runic dock]

They could have figured rocks had a convo up there with imu where imu convinced him of something , let him go , and rocks revealed his own secret power up form he then used on his crew , it’s happened many times even in other series without the misunderstanding part lol, the point was his crew thought he betrayed them

[brittle basin]

how many chapters we think are left? I said two last week. Now i'm not sure.

[muted hedge]

at least 5

[urban lodge]

3

[dense rapids]

Depends if Oda included Loki adventures or not

[frigid gulch]

Ultimately they were a band of self interested pirates

[latent hamlet]

At best it seemed WB the most "loyal" only stayed to help rocks take down the enemy But once rocks was defeated by imu its like
"Meh fuck it. Im out"

[frigid gulch]

And so they stayed for their own benefit

[brittle basin]

i was thinking it's only focusing on the things leading up to Harald's demise

[steel stirrup]

He got thrown into a mountain lmaooo

[latent hamlet]

The crew probably didnt know shit about rocks true plans or the issue with imu and Davy and joyboy anyways

[dense rapids]

At least 2-3 chapters of harald in the holy land

2-3 chapters of Harald’s death

Loki adventures could be another 5+

[iron oriole]

They literally saw Imu attack Rocks & questioned "what it did" to him

[steel stirrup]

Can't wait to see bro die

[latent hamlet]

Bro is like
Hm....maybe I should just go home

[tranquil blade]

If I got thrown into a mountain I might give up too

[proper sun]

I mean, we still don't know what happened to Harald (which was the actual reason for this flashback...) so i think more than 2

[brittle basin]

Did WB even think Rocks could be saved at that point after their collision and the destruction of one of the pillars?

[fluid cedar]

a flashback to the flashback we are in would be fitting

[steel stirrup]

Sunk Cost Fallacy is Imu's greatest weapon

[latent hamlet]

Unlikely
The moment the clash happened and WB got separated he's too far out to even contemplate saving him. WB had to save himself first

[frigid gulch]

You can basically tell WB’s like “damn, this is how it is?”

[brittle basin]

yeah this was my thought too.

[urban lodge]

Yesss...

[frigid gulch]

I doubt he was happy

[latent hamlet]

Roger and garp only stayed to protect their people

[runic dock]

Questioned because of his turning , but they can’t make sense of it heads or tails , all they see is their captain attacking them, it’s fucking big mom and kaido they’re not the brightest bulbs in the basket lmfao they just see him betraying

[iron oriole]

Totally normal yes

[sweet anvil]

This is reaching so far even if that was their initial thought there should’ve been some feeling that he was being controlled and had they been good crew mates they would stuck around to help not only his actions after the transformation contradict his character assuming he’s being controlled is a very obvious possibility

[steel stirrup]

At least he was able to deduce (lmaoo) that bro was somewhat different

[restive wedge]

Can't wait to see Loki's df after this flashback

[runic dock]

@sweet anvil

It’s not reaching it’s literally the panels lol

[restive wedge]

or during this flashback

[latent hamlet]

Normal or not
Its not like wb kaido bm had any investment to continue the fight

[runic dock]

Kaido and big mom are dumb to boot

On top of it all

[latent hamlet]

Remember
Kaido stayed cuz he wanted to flex his fruit

BM stayed cuz she was mad at kaido

[sweet anvil]

Big mom isn’t dumb at that time at least

[latent hamlet]

And hit imu by accident

[steel stirrup]

Big Mom i can believe but she lowkey noticed the most or at least made it known more

[stone terrace]

If harald was a gambling man then elbaf would have went bankrupt

[steel stirrup]

Sunk cost fallacy go brrrrrr

[runic dock]

Reasons were reasons , the reality big mom and kaido saw were their captain attacking them that went unexplained

[hot helm]

slippery slope

[iron oriole]

Yes, they saw whatever Imu did is turning Rocks... thats obvious at that point they know its not some secret power up that Rocks had hiding & is now choosing to cut ties with his crew

[latent hamlet]

I think in the end whether they deduced it was an outside influence
They just decided "nah we're done."

[steel stirrup]

Did ya not see the fangs and the wings

[sweet anvil]

I would say it’s reaching to say they think of the very real possibility of him being controlled

[runic dock]

Even WB was utterly confused

[steel stirrup]

Yea either way they decided to put two tears in a bucket

[runic dock]

That could be any random power up in one piece

Rocks own hidden power up

[sweet anvil]

Had they been good crew mates to him they would’ve stayed to see

[runic dock]

That doesn’t really say much

[steel stirrup]

Hidden Demon Power Up huh

[wraith mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH7hK3q3oEk

[runic dock]

They don’t know imu did that , they don’t know that ability , they don’t know that’s what it does , they did see them having an extended convo

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-dancing-fun-funny-dance-dance-moves-gif-10051361099218732674

[latent hamlet]

Had the rocks crew been loyal friends, they probably could have stayed, taken on demon rocks and at best defeat him and take him home

[hot helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1392533913272062092/blackbeard_getting_financial_now_are_we.gif

[runic dock]

But they also couldn’t hear the convo

[iron oriole]

They're literally questioning it so they know whatever is happening to Rocks must be linked

"What did it do to you"

[latent hamlet]

Ultimately I dont think it matters

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/taskmaster-doubling-down-greg-davies-gif-23942401

[latent hamlet]

They just had to bail cuz staying wasnt worth it

[sweet anvil]

They obviously thought of the possibility he’d been controlled

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[runic dock]

They’re just asking what it did to him in terms of the attack , then they see him attacking them , even WB isn’t assuming control , he’s utterly confused

[steel stirrup]

Crazy that BM noticed the most

[sweet anvil]

A good crewmate would’ve stayed is my point

[restive wedge]

tbf if Rocks got turned I ain't stayin around to get myself turned too especially since very few people are at his level

[latent hamlet]

Together they might have been able to beat the mind control
But they were not loyal crew since the beginning

[steel stirrup]

WB stayed until Rocks basically knocked him away

[ornate tartan]

intellect and emotional intelligence isn’t something u learn, its something u are born with. Take this for example, cornered by marines after a huge incident, the young red hair had the quick thinking to split the heavens so he could give his captains ship a safe escape back into the seas. What a guy

[iron oriole]

I think she was actually closest to Rocks, it seems that either he told her about Eris & BB or she just knew

[latent hamlet]

They all got smacked aside and rocks ran off

None of em would think WE NEED TO HELP lol

They all were like "we got our loot...we got what we wanted. Rocks went crazy. Time to go"

Kaido just wanted to test his fruit

[sweet anvil]

Whitebeard tanked ts if he really was a good crewmate he would’ve stayed

[latent hamlet]

And bm just was mad

[steel stirrup]

She's a mother wit multiple husbands she knows what a man in love and a man who just had a child looks like

[brittle basin]

pin this

[latent hamlet]

He got sent too far away to chase rocks tho. Plus he has to worry about himself

[steel stirrup]

Across the sea

Darkness grows

ZEHAHAHA

[wraith mantle]

the rocks pirates had the best collection of baddies I think

[steel stirrup]

Now this is a conversation

[latent hamlet]

BM vs Stussy vs Gloriosa

[steel stirrup]

Big Mom all day

[runic dock]

It’s clear to be a yonko you don’t have to be intelligent , even in current times

[steel stirrup]

Young LinLin is different

[brittle basin]

Does Shakky technically count since she was on Hachinosu?

[iron oriole]

No

[steel stirrup]

Yes she does for me

[wraith mantle]

i would say so yeah

[brittle basin]

well OK FUCK

[iron oriole]

Not a crew member

[restive wedge]

Nah she's part of the old Kuja or Rocks

[urban lodge]

She doesn't

[ornate tartan]

Nami and Robin> Big Mom Gloriosa and Stussy

[steel stirrup]

She lived on his island

She was on his crew

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/m4rkdoll-gif-5238933771739046910

[steel stirrup]

Agenda don't care about your logic

[iron oriole]

Shit it was her island, lets be real

Rocks was just renting

[wraith mantle]

strawhats crew is a strong second if yamato had joined

[iron oriole]

She even had authority of no fighting if you're coming to the bar

Able to boss Rocks, Hachinosu was hers

[steel stirrup]

That hoe had an entire island wrapped around her finger

Imagine if Shakky wanted more

[latent hamlet]

Well it helps that every1 liked her enough to respect that authority

Plus they needed a place to drink in peace

[wraith mantle]

shakky could have easily found the one piece if she wanted

[sweet anvil]

We’ve seen Whitebeard cross islands very quick and had he been a good crewmate he would’ve prioritised his captain

[steel stirrup]

Shutting down the entire world cause a strong 7 went missing

[restive wedge]

No Gura Gura Gatling 😢

[iron oriole]

Its funny, that rule supposedly included outside the bar too but Roger just onetapped his way to the front of the line

[steel stirrup]

Just wait Zehahaha

[latent hamlet]

She didn't see

[restive wedge]

NOOOOOOOO

[latent hamlet]

[steel stirrup]

Onetapped who?

Those guys tripped and fell

[olive sigil]

Please don’t call her that

[dense haven]

any garling fans in chat

[steel stirrup]

What? A hoe?

[iron oriole]

She probably didn't care because of the hope of seeing Rayleigh

[olive sigil]

Yeah that’s disrespectful

[steel stirrup]

That hoe is a hoe

[olive sigil]

Don’t use those words to describe a woman

[brittle basin]

Oda cigarette scales the hottest woman.

[steel stirrup]

Words? My bad.

[iron oriole]

Can we all agree though that clone Stussy >>>>>>>> young OG Stussy

[wraith mantle]

they the same thing

what

[iron oriole]

Same but different

[restive wedge]

The fishman discrimination is crazy. They labeled Shakky the most beautiful when I've seen mermaids more beautiful

[urban lodge]

True

[steel stirrup]

Stussy > Shakky the 304

[frigid gulch]

Aura farming on a defenseless man

🥀

[brittle basin]

[wraith mantle]

bro cant use words he started using numbers

[latent hamlet]

She be like "did u bring rayleigh"
"He said nah"
"FUCK"

[frigid gulch]

It is true

OG Stussy is just obsessed with WB

[steel stirrup]

Bro got mad because I called a spade a spade

[frigid gulch]

Whole personality

[brittle basin]

Modern stussy is part vampire which is like 10000000x better than the Rocks version

[olive sigil]

Just don’t use harmful language to talk about someone who has done nothing to you

[restive wedge]

Kaku's got a big chance if he played his cards correctlky

[craggy vapor]

Who is Weevild father?

[wraith mantle]

she ate the succubus df right?

[brittle basin]

i think?

[urban lodge]

Bat fruit

[frigid gulch]

Bat

[iron oriole]

Its the bat fruit

[brittle basin]

oh bat

[steel stirrup]

All I said was the hoe had an entire island wrapped around her finger

[brittle basin]

i was right. vampire. close enough

[olive sigil]

Newgate

[frigid gulch]

Mihawk parallel

[restive wedge]

Not seeing Mihawk this flashback is sus

[craggy vapor]

no way. There is no proof

[olive sigil]

And I said don’t call her that. Since when is that word allowed in the discord. How are you not getting flagged

[brittle basin]

not seeing kureha this flashback was criminal

[steel stirrup]

Wonder why we haven't seen a Succubus fruit yet

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[iron oriole]

A hoe is just a tool used for farming

[olive sigil]

That’s for Loki

[cold steppe]

Oda confirmed Mihawk is not important

[wraith mantle]

tbf

[steel stirrup]

Aye man say man

The bitch isn't real

[frigid gulch]

Weevil is probably produced from WB’s lineage factor

[olive sigil]

Not in this context

[frigid gulch]

That’s how obsessed Stussy is

[iron oriole]

In every context

[steel stirrup]

Shawty was keeping hair and nail clippings

[iron oriole]

Shakky is using herself to farm money

[ornate tartan]

stussy is irrelevant

nami clears

[steel stirrup]

Sounds about right

For a HOE

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[static hollow]

Mihawk and shanks probably used to shit on shamrock when they were training to be holy knights

[olive sigil]

She’s a business owner. Do you go to Starbucks and call the employees hoes?

[steel stirrup]

Yes

If theres a hoe behind the counter

[iron oriole]

I dont go to Starbucks

[olive sigil]

Me neither but I don’t get why owning a cafe would make her a hoe

[iron oriole]

A farming tool is a farming tool

[steel stirrup]

Who said that was why she's under the hoe classification?

And Marguerite

And Domino

[restive wedge]

gerd

[steel stirrup]

And Gerd

[wraith mantle]

and sanji's mom

[iron oriole]

And Clone Stussy

[restive wedge]

remove sanji add his mom

[frigid gulch]

Only Whitebeard

[urban lodge]

She has a NAME

[prisma yacht]

Sabo

[steel stirrup]

And Kalifa

[olive sigil]

And carrot

[wraith mantle]

oh yeah? whats her name

[steel stirrup]

No

[urban lodge]

Sora

[iron oriole]

Turns out, theres a lot of blondes we care about