also-manga

[stone terrace]

Being complex != you must like this character

[forest light]

He thinks he’s helping by getting them an alliance with the wg

[tiny oracle]

Both Sengoku and Garp have some complexity to them with very little actual screentime

[forest light]

He doesn’t know imu’s intentions

[tiny oracle]

It’s pretty impressive writing from Oda tbh

[royal orchid]

the monster is very complex

[stone terrace]

Being complex makes you easier to hate really

[hot cairn]

true @grand flower

[stone terrace]

Youre more human

[latent hamlet]

its probably because u believe that sengoku for all the good he preaches willingly turns a blind eye to it

but then that's the same shit as garp ngl

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-johan-liebert-gif-14465166893354954801

[odd rune]

why compare them tho

[latent hamlet]

garp saw imu and was like "there's still shit i can do"

[tranquil blade]

I kinda understand why Harald is acting the way he is but it is still a little pathetic, and it does make him look gullible

[tiny oracle]

Being hateble doesn’t mean you’re not s good character

[distant vine]

TAMA ART LETS GO

[odd rune]

the point is that sengoku is now more complex and cool

[stone terrace]

Its hard to hate imu rn theyre an amorphous blob of evil

[golden valley]

Garling embodies this

[odd rune]

garp has always been complex

[hot cairn]

Harald is an incredible character

[tiny oracle]

Sengoku and Harald are both “wrong”

But they’re still well written

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-disappointed-smh-shake-my-head-oh-brother-gif-6826525774079143920

[forest light]

I would say Akainu is ultimately worse but Sengoku is more of a government dickrider, Akainu isn’t afraid to do his own shit every once in a while (even though it’s always wrong)

[royal orchid]

absolutely amazing cover spread I love the colors

[stone terrace]

Nothing complex about garling lol

[latent hamlet]

ya know rocks, if the rogues of the world were actually loyal, ya might have survived god valley

[proud pivot]

@digital spear I won the bet btw

[trim lily]

man why'd xebec have to get a hair colour palette that i actually like

[golden valley]

I know, I was lying my ass off

[vital heart]

Sengoku = Genocide Supporter (I will refrain from the IRL connections, @ staff)

Harald = Betrayed his Race. Wants to be a Slave (I mean, what more do I have to say, bruh).

[trim lily]

what a waste of blue and white...

[sage temple]

Wow such a complex character let me say what the last guy said but did you hear I said complex? He's complex guys!

[tranquil blade]

because he's good

I predicted it

[distant vine]

Once Garp did all the work and Rocks was too injured to be top tier he's back like clockwork...this is insane work 😭 Thank God Shanks didnt grow up under him bruh

[royal orchid]

I will summon the mods.

[vital heart]

I have a really bad migraine going on right now.

If I become more annoying, it's because I'm not thinking straight.

[forest light]

Haralds motivations make sense when sengokus don’t

That’s the difference I think

[golden valley]

nice rocks haters entered the fhat

[wet condor]

You can tell that Garp and Sengoku were joined the Marines with good intentions and to help people. Garp probably joined the Marines to help common folk. Now he's been disillusioned about the foundations of the WG, but he's now sticking around to help the little fellas. Based on this chapter, Sengoku seems to want to help from the top

[hot cairn]

oh lol, I haven’t seen it yet

[odd rune]

i still really wanna know where blackbeard and eris ended up

[stone tulip]

Nah Akainu is still far more evil than Sengoku cause at least the latter still has some morality left with his relationship with Corazon and is the main reason why Law is currently following his goal of finding the true meaning of the D clan and checkered fate too

[proud pivot]

Go sleep then tf

[ruby moat]

gurl take a tylenol ❤️

[trim lily]

dont worry i only came here to say that

[keen quiver]

Same guy btw

[tiny oracle]

Sengokus motives make sense he just seems to have forgotten them along the way

[vital heart]

I'm allergic to tylenol. Only can do advil.

[stone terrace]

Seeing harald cry about rocks almost made him get back in my good graces

[keen quiver]

When told they'll censor shit

[stone terrace]

But he fumbled it

[sage temple]

I thought they went to a different place

[blazing depot]

I think you might have CTE

[sage temple]

Also is that even Eris carrying BB?

[ruby moat]

thats ok i heard tylenol does shit to ur baby anyway

[keen quiver]

Guess he wasn't standing on business

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[tiny oracle]

Like I’m pretty sure Sengoku was pretty much at the top of the navy during the Ohara incident no?

[vital heart]

LOL

[latent hamlet]

@royal orchid bro is crying unconscious

[golden valley]

Holy shit harald needs to die

[latent hamlet]

look at this mad lad

[tiny oracle]

If he isn’t willing to stand against literal genocide in Ohara then he’s become too concerned with maintaining his position for no real world benefit

[distant vine]

Losers are 3 years late to seeing the middle panel haha

[stone tulip]

Two things I noticed about it:

1. Yamato has shorter hair.
2. The straw hats that have been featured are the only ones who had sailed with Vivi and the ones who were captured by Road in beginning of the arc btw.

[dense haven]

yea garp can hit imu and nothing happens bro must secretely own the wg

[keen quiver]

I just can't with this man he's just a hypocrite

[dark nymph]

wonder why Garp didn't bother justifying himself to Dragon, kinda just accepted that his kid now hates him lol

[odd rune]

they mean different things lisa

[tranquil blade]

He was an admiral I'm pretty sure

[golden valley]

Ehhh, mid. Not enough color

[distant vine]

Its confirmed.

[keen quiver]

Higher ups taking an insane action

"Whaaaaaat !? Oh hell no"

[stone tulip]

Yeah definitely bit him in the ass but my point is that Akainu is definitely far more evil than Sengoku for sure

[tiny oracle]

But that’s how it happens yk. You start of trying to get to the top to achieve change but then you compromise change for the sake of staying on the top

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-2nd-gear-gif-18076859

[golden valley]

Hence Garp upscale

[dense haven]

people just now realizing sengoku is a piece of turd

[tiny oracle]

That’s not bad writing

[stone terrace]

One thing sengoku didnt lie about

[tiny oracle]

Just a corrupt person

[hot cairn]

Sengoku seems to be on the take of you can only make progress by climbing up

[latent hamlet]

every1 likes to put luffy fights as top 5 beatdowns
really the winner should be Harald vs Thug Giant

[golden valley]

Sengoku half lied about god valley

[keen quiver]

Sengoku let himself become corrupted when he became a fleet admiral

[stone tulip]

He was admiral during that time and was in charge of that mission too

[golden valley]

So Sengoku isn’t fully a liar

[hot cairn]

imagine if it’s Lulusia

[latent hamlet]

harald is literally venting all of his frustration for not saving rocks on that 1 random giant

[tranquil blade]

Garp you said you were gonna kill Sengoku, you gotta do it

[golden valley]

Sengoku not corrupt

[tiny oracle]

So pretty much culpable

[royal orchid]

harald beating the size out of a giant might just be a worse shit-on than anime gear 2 vs blueno

[hot cairn]

what did you think of the chapter dolfius

[stone tulip]

He definitely lied about protecting “Celestial Dragons” bullshit

[wet condor]

That's how I'm reading it. I don't know everything that he's done for the Navy. But I can see how him nominating Aokiji kind of goes along withthat

[dense haven]

tbf that random giant was a cunt

[latent hamlet]

harald beat him so bad the giant turned human

[stone tulip]

Yeah there isn’t any excuse for that

[distant vine]

He's hilarious bro

[forest light]

The real liar is the narrator, wtf you talking about that Garling “defined himself at god valley”

[distant vine]

😭

[golden valley]

Yeah

[tiny oracle]

Well they did protect celestial dragons and their slaves in a manner of speaking

[sage temple]

Yes Oda just add and remove Eris' cuffs whenever you want

Peak writing

[distant vine]

Kay...

[forest light]

He didn’t do SHIT

[tiny oracle]

Eris and them were slaves right

[forest light]

Genuinely Usopp level lie

[stone tulip]

Volume mistake I believe

[keen quiver]

Yeah oda just forgot

[stone terrace]

Who killed rocks

[distant vine]

W chapter

[steel stirrup]

Well well well

[keen quiver]

Sorry but if you think eris a bad mom

[forest light]

1hp btw anyone could have done that shit

[prisma idol]

Bb with his natural hair color before he dyes it

[keen quiver]

Idk what to tell you

[latent hamlet]

yeaaaa
1 incident of something as strong as a giant could undo literal decades of work
harald MIGHT have been able to forgive himself if the giant didnt cause issues again

[keen quiver]

Tf

[hot cairn]

with the end of the chapter?

[tiny oracle]

But you know what Garps reaction to the newspaper reminds me of

[royal orchid]

I mean, he did turn a 70ft giant into a 6ft hole in the dirt

[stone terrace]

But because he did rocks didnt make it off the island

[latent hamlet]

but rocks died and then a giant caused shit again and its like "FOR FUCK SAKES"

[tiny oracle]

Tashigi at the end of alabaster

[dense haven]

garling kill stealing is not a feat

[stone terrace]

Yep

[distant vine]

@forest light He did define himself. Just not in the way you think. Mostly just killing people too weak to defend themselves rather than fighting top tiers

[tiny oracle]

Tremendous tashigi upscale

[hot cairn]

I think so yeah

[trim lily]

pretty good finale to xebec's tale. I really like the characterization garp got this chapter, oda did everything i was hoping for with him

[latent hamlet]

its a giant, so it should be 60 ft

[stone tulip]

He definitely “defined” himself alright, by being a fucking coward who only kills people that are weaker than him and those who already down lmao

[forest light]

Wow

[royal orchid]

I went with hajrudin's height

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo

[distant vine]

Relax on Sengoku bro

[latent hamlet]

shhhhhh we dont care about machvise tier

[tiny oracle]

Let’s use our thinking cap Joshua

[keen quiver]

Couldn't even walk up to finish xebec alone BTW needed 2 knights with him

[vital heart]

I got a DM instantly saying to not post that 😭

[stone tulip]

Once again, Shanks would never 🗣🔥

[royal orchid]

meek is gonna get muted without it being a bet soon

[wet condor]

"dominating figure..." we sure the narrator didn't mean "dominated..."

[dense haven]

garling is the biggest fraud in the series

[wet condor]

[stone tulip]

Legitimately fraudulent

[steel stirrup]

Harald pmo

[golden valley]

harald gotta die

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/was-pops-was-pops-wrong-for-this-nba-twitter-gif-14495314284606127934

[vital heart]

Harald is such a bum

Harald such a fraud

[trim lily]

garlic is kind of goated when it comes to killing powerless people

[vital heart]

Imu, just enslave that ho for me ❤️

[sage temple]

Loki is destroying mountains btw

[keen quiver]

What harald is doing indefensible for me

[sage temple]

The real mountain eater

[royal orchid]

W World Government

[vital heart]

no he not bruh

[sage temple]

And he just does that to relieve stress

Insane

[prisma idol]

What did you post meek, DM me

[wet condor]

People asking for Harald to get Domi Reversi'd on the spot

[sage temple]

Loki is something else

[wet condor]

Crazy

[sage temple]

Yes he is

[wet condor]

"Give him what he wants"

[hot cairn]

true

[trim lily]

the reaction ive seen here to harald reminds me of how people reacted to garp's arrival to god valley

[dense rapids]

Imu did nothing wrong

[dense haven]

lend me your help sommers it's 1hp rocks we're up against

[royal orchid]

in terms of taking care of Harald, you can't spell World Government without starting with a W

[golden valley]

W Loki

[tranquil blade]

It is kind of a pathetic move from him though

[proud pivot]

I gotta get glasses bro I read that as "You Asian?!"

[steel stirrup]

Rocks stocks still growing even in death

[stone tulip]

Yeah while his motivation is understandable what is about to do is gonna be his biggest mistake of his life, although we do know he ended up sabotaging WG thankfully

[tranquil blade]

Like come on, offering yourself into slavery?

[keen quiver]

Imu Hearing how weak of a king harald is.

[trim lily]

i mean yeah its intentionally pathetic

[sage temple]

Loki did that

[royal orchid]

common footage of one piece fans being unable to read

[stone terrace]

Harald lost it

[trim lily]

hes willing to give up everything so he can get elbaf into the world stage'

[stone terrace]

Hes deep into sunk cost

[sage temple]

Glad Loki was there to stop him

[stone terrace]

He almost brought elbaf to ruin

[latent hamlet]

thats how i feel about it ngl
he lost his friend
he lost good will because of the random giant
its all in or nothing

[prisma idol]

I understand what Herald wants

[sage temple]

Just imagine Loki was like Hajrudin level right now

[forest light]

Garps arrival made him look really bad (not anymore though) whereas I like harald and his decisions make sense even if I don’t agree

[sage temple]

😭

[proud pivot]

Fuck you maybe it has something to do with my eyes losing sight you pos

[golden valley]

Ok so im ready for the next chapter

[vital heart]

can I be honest?

How the fuck does this Rocks dude not know who NIKA is????

NIKA!

[sage temple]

That'd be terrible

[keen quiver]

Din't even need to domi reversi harald to make him a slave

[wet condor]

It isn't something I wouldn't be doing — not for what he's doing it for

[prisma idol]

Herald fell for the Sunk Cost Fallacy

[keen quiver]

He domi reversi'd himself

[tranquil blade]

He basically almost gave up Elbaph too

[latent hamlet]

u think rocks cares about lore?

[wet condor]

I'm kind of surprised by this

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-shaking-rob-gumball-rob-shaking-you-gif-14168687188502834543

[golden valley]

Because Rocks is employed

[trim lily]

i dont fully agree with harald's stance but i get why hes doing this

[latent hamlet]

i bet 90% of the people on Rocks crew can't even read

[sage temple]

Wait so this means the Nika fruit isn't one of the 2 fruits Rocks wants

[wet condor]

Quite the opposite

[latent hamlet]

never mind know lore

[dense haven]

I knew harold was a fraud when he abandoned ida bro has no spine

[lofty fern]

Rox is missing a lot of information. He has holes in his knowledge

[vital heart]

Also what Love is Rocks referring to? I genuinely thought I was illiterate when translating this panel, lol.

[stone tulip]

Well we do know at some point Harald would do something to ruin Imu’s plans to control Elbaf so

[proud pivot]

What is he riding

[stone terrace]

Anyone who would physically harm themself like this is mentally ill

[forest light]

I love media comprehension, probably my favorite thing ever

[sage temple]

LOKI HAS ONE OF THE 2 FRUITS

[keen quiver]

Rocks is following the will of Davy Jones

[latent hamlet]

imo
love for Ida and elbaf

[forest light]

Keep cooking

[dense rapids]

Ida and Elbaph

[prisma idol]

Rocks doesn't know Nika but knows about Galley La Ginats

[lofty fern]

Would you like me to post a better translation? LOL

[trim lily]

like katakuri

[royal orchid]

get your mind out of the gutter arisu! sheesh

[keen quiver]

A bit too late though

[wet condor]

It kind of goes hard tbh

[prisma idol]

Sure

[keen quiver]

😭

[latent hamlet]

he cares about ida and elbaf ideals that he'd rather put everything on that than help rocks

[sage temple]

Ida was the worst thing that's happend to Elbaph so far ngl

[wet condor]

Like what Harald did was based

[trim lily]

i mean why would he throw away everything to help rocks

[latent hamlet]

shes a sleeper agent

[wet condor]

I just don't care for the reason he did it

[latent hamlet]

she made harald soft and weak

[stone tulip]

Or alternatively he has none and instead he has the power that Rocks talked about which caused people to mistaken him for a devil fruit user and assumed that’s the reason why he killed Harald watch

[vital heart]

How does Whos Who know about Nika but not Davy D. Xebec?

[golden valley]

Chill bro

[woeful moth]

the dumbest statement tf

[unique lagoon]

dint expect oda to drop actual numbers

[dense rapids]

“Choose better friends”

[vital heart]

Genuinely asinine to me.

What does Asinine mean?

[sage temple]

People mistook Rocks for a df user? Where?

[keen quiver]

Ida doing more damage than CP0, CP9 and Sword to any government force

[stone terrace]

This is a lot larger than my original estimation

[stone tulip]

I guess but it definitely delayed things

[trim lily]

why did you say it without knowing

[royal orchid]

without Ida elbaf would have starved and killed itself to ruin

[proud pivot]

WHY IS HIS FACE LIKE THAT DURING IT 😭😭

[stone terrace]

Like only 100k soldiers were at marineford

[stone tulip]

I meant Loki

[sage temple]

that BITCH

[dense rapids]

Ida is a sleeper agent 👁️

[vital heart]

Sounded cool as a concept

[woeful moth]

she never said it to him tho... she let him be...

[stone tulip]

Which is still possible

[wet condor]

Rocks is a guy who I would've guessed knew about Nika if you asked me

[trim lily]

yeah fair enough

[dense rapids]

Still implied it 🤷‍♂️

[wet condor]

But he didn't know

[keen quiver]

After that no need to bend the knee to the wg

[sage temple]

Then why would he say the seastone chains are sapping away his power

[wet condor]

I'm curious how Who's Who knows lol

[lofty fern]

I can post more when I get home, but the basis is other translations said he is held back by love. Basically suggesting that he can't join rocks because he loves his people and his family too much. There is consequences to joining rocks and he has a responsibility that outweighs that

[dense rapids]

He heard from the slaves in prison

[woeful moth]

never said it... never actually pushed him to abandon rocks too... he chose that himself

[prisma idol]

That makes more sense

[wet condor]

Oh yeah

Thansk

[trim lily]

objectively rocks was not a good friend to harald lol

[woeful moth]

she just said what she was thinking to the kids

[stone terrace]

Ida being planted to pacify harald would be so unbelievably fucked

[wet condor]

I'm curious how those guys knew though lol

[stone tulip]

I think Rocks was more confused about the comparison rather him being ignorant about Nika

[wet condor]

Who was down there

[dense haven]

harold and oden ruining their countries with the most stupid decisions ever

[golden valley]

Never would’ve expected Harald to be a bigger bitch than Hajrudin

[dense rapids]

Where’s Ida now 👁️

[wet condor]

I had considered that too

[royal orchid]

yeah that's the problem: Harald
in both scenarios as a warmonger and a pacifist Elbaf would be lead to the war currently taking place

[keen quiver]

And people kept telling me rocks is evil

[golden valley]

Hajrudin clears Harald

[sage temple]

If Harald never met Ida, Harald would still be alive right now

[prisma idol]

Smh you dont remember a single line from a washed out Cipher pol member from back in wano over 4 years ago

[keen quiver]

He completely understands harald

[prisma idol]

Fake fan

[wet condor]

But if that was the case, then I figure he would've said something about it

[keen quiver]

😭

[sage temple]

IF HARALD NEVER MET IDA ROCKS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE RIGHT NOW

[royal orchid]

where the rocks is evil crowd at again?

[sage temple]

FUCK

[trim lily]

i can understand socrates thinking ida is evil but you cant seriously theorize that

[tranquil blade]

That would be the most absurd twist ever I don't think it's possible

[dense haven]

rocks evil agenda been dead for a while

[sage temple]

I just never said she was evil

I never said that once

[golden valley]

This honestly just sounds like hajrudin hate

[sage temple]

What are you on

[woeful moth]

he'd still be dead... earlier at that... he'd be at god valley dying with rocks

[prisma idol]

Ida is at the bar

[stone tulip]

Who knows how that power works really but not the first time we saw non devil fruit users being chained with sea stones

[royal orchid]

if Harald never met Ida he would have killed or died to Rocks
what are you talking about

[prisma idol]

You just missed her

[sage temple]

It's both

[keen quiver]

He swung to far into pacifism and diplomacy

[unique lagoon]

yoo its him the doc that checked koby after MF

[celest mauve]

https://x.com/r7dman/status/1991535847351677423?t=p14JzmgF368_jvnz01YU9Q&s=19
he's so right

Radman (@r7dman)

Read through the God Valley flashback up to the latest chapter over the last couple days & it's pretty kino overall, slightly underwhelming in some regards but it's clear Oda's main objective with the event is how it'll tie into the present and on that front he cooked, so many

X · Nov 20, 2025, 3:55 PM

[lofty fern]

It would be, though I highly doubt Oda's going in that direction. He's painted Harold's dream as a good thing. It's just the pathway to it is full of tragedy

[stone tulip]

Like that’s how I interpreted that scene tbh

[trim lily]

people hate that ida is just a good person

[vital heart]

Genuinely not true

Lol

[wet condor]

And that she motivated Harald into doing what he's doing now

[prisma idol]

People long for a traitor

[sage temple]

Oh true if Harald never met Ida he wouldn't have met Rocks. Idk what you mean by killed or died

[celest mauve]

oh it didn't show the full tweet, radman also said rocks/eris is effortlessly clear of rayleigh/shakky and I fully agree

[sage temple]

He would've never met Rocks

[woeful moth]

we literally had one every arc

[unique lagoon]

you telling me thats not him

[stone tulip]

Sums up how flashbacks in one piece usually works, all the stuff that happens in the past would be relevant in the current arcs

[royal orchid]

because he would not have given up on battling with rocks like he did

[dense haven]

Ida was right about pacifism it's not fault harald turned into a bitch

[golden valley]

I need this flashback to be over in 3 chapters

[trim lily]

3-4 seems right

[vital heart]

Harald genuinely a clueless mf

[ornate tartan]

3

[trim lily]

wrap up the harald stuff and hopefully get some of loki's

[vital heart]

Imu, enslave him NOW

[sage temple]

Yeah and non DF users don't say "my power is being sapped" when they're being chained by seastone. The only reason seastone is used on them is because it's unbreakable

[ocean totem]

Aaaay what's up

[golden valley]

Loki and Lola, Loki kills Harald, Loki vs Shanks

[celest mauve]

which is why people denying domi reversi xebec were fighting a badly losing battle lol

[wet condor]

Well Ida was just like "just because you're bigger than people, doesn't mean you should lord over them" or something

[woeful moth]

Harald thought he can immediately change everything which is dumb of him to assume

[vital heart]

I'm gonna be on team Holy Knights when Imu Domi Reverses Harald, lol. Fuck you Harald. You pussy ass bitch!!

[sage temple]

He wouldn't have met Rocks

[woeful moth]

even if Rocks became King of the World it wouldn't change anything too

[royal orchid]

in Marijoa?

[dense rapids]

We will all be cheering during Harald’s death

[wet condor]

I may have to reread exactly what she said though

[tranquil blade]

Ida stopped Harald from turning into giant Kaido

[sage temple]

Yeah? Why do you think he was in Mary Geoise?

[woeful moth]

same stereotype of giants will only change overtime and rushing it is their downfall

[trim lily]

dont worry guys i would be a world ruling dictator but good this time

[royal orchid]

Imu?

[wet condor]

I'm sure she approved everything that Harald was doing though

[trim lily]

power will never corrupt

[sage temple]

Because of the idiocy Ida put in Harald's mind

[golden valley]

Would’ve been better

[royal orchid]

oh wait I see what you're saying

[golden valley]

Tbh

[keen quiver]

You cannot convince me that sengoku and this man are equals bean. A 5hp garp after the greatest battle of his life is whooping him that bad. At best he's able to keep up with a badly wounded garp fresh off a hospital bed. 😭

[royal orchid]

yeah I'm stupid too

[stone tulip]

I had the hunch of that happening even before Imu showed up so I predicted it way back then

[sage temple]

Nah you're fine

[proud pivot]

How the fuck does Harald have conquerors 😭😭😭

[wet condor]

I'm unsure what a world ruled by Rocks would look like exactly, but certainly not a good one lol

[golden valley]

Speaking of which, Harald is Kaido’s father theory died by now

[wet condor]

Better than Imu? I'll say yeah

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-6795175285593626840

[sage temple]

Because he wasn't always like this

[lofty fern]

Well she went further. Other than that, talking about how important it is that humans can introduce things to Giants that they never saw before. And that she inspired his interest in the world

[stone tulip]

Sure but I do think there is something up with Loki that is beyond devil fruit tbh

[stone terrace]

Rocks' final words paint him as a dude closer to being a liberator than a tyrant if we're gonna be honest

[tranquil blade]

New world would've seen another 100 years of terror

[stone terrace]

He wanted garp and roger to escape

[wet condor]

He wanted them free of Imu's regime

[vital heart]

I wish Harald and Rocks teamed up. Could Imu even stop a team up with Harald and Rocks?

[lofty fern]

Because it takes a lot of will to be able to actually do something like this.

[wet condor]

Liberate the world from that

[ruby moat]

imu could

[wet condor]

Under his rule, I'm unsure what that'd look like

[woeful moth]

Harald fans really trying to blame everyone but Harald himself

[dense haven]

people still think rocks is evil after all this time

[keen quiver]

Cause the objective is to fre the world from imu and rule

[proud pivot]

So atleast this confirms you can never lose your conquerors

[sage temple]

Yeah that is true but he definitely has a devil fruit if he didn't he wouldn't have said the seastone effected him

[keen quiver]

Not to kill roger and garp

[vital heart]

Assuming the Homeland theory is true, if Harald and Rocks ganged up on Imu in Marijoa or some other island that's not GV/Elbaf, I think they have a solid shot at winning,.

[stone tulip]

Which would be even more ironic cause Blackbeard isn’t a liberator despite trying to fulfill his will

[dense haven]

wg propaganda is crazy good

[keen quiver]

He never showed malice to roger and garp

[celest mauve]

I don't like the harald scene this chapter

[keen quiver]

😭

[sage temple]

It just gets weaker over time as your body gets older

[hot cairn]

Rocks doesnt know about Nika so this implies that the devil fruit Elbaph has is not the Nika fruit. Since Rocks knows which fruit it is

[golden valley]

The question is, who’s plan would’ve worked better? Roger’s or Rocks.

[proud pivot]

Asking to be the wgs slave? I don't think so

[hot cairn]

why?

[keen quiver]

Wtf is Roger's plan

[golden valley]

Cuz they clearly seem to have different approaches

[keen quiver]

😭

He dint have one for imu

[golden valley]

Assuming it would’ve worked

[stone terrace]

Rogers plan was double it and let the next guy take it

Its gonna work tbf

[lofty fern]

He's not begging to be a slave just to be one. He's expressing how far he'll go and be willing to go to achieve his goal.

[tranquil blade]

Tbf it worked

[woeful moth]

even Harald regrets his actions and its his actions alone no one pushed him to do anything... its his choice

[golden valley]

Roger wasn’t ready

[celest mauve]

prostrating yourself before the most evil organization despite knowing the atrocities they've committed, with practically zero self-respect

just didn't like it

[tranquil blade]

Roger passed it to pirate Jesus

[wet condor]

Harald isn't prostrating himself because he's a coward, which is true

[unique lagoon]

power of love believers eating good today

[keen quiver]

Rock's plan needed 2 fruits and strong crew mates. Alongside maybe getting pluton ???

[sage temple]

If they listened to Loki, Imu would at least have some more competition to go against

Loki was always right

Smh

[tranquil blade]

and those warhammer giants

[stone tulip]

Who knows that’s why I only said it’s possible and not guaranteed yet like with my other theory tbh

[sage temple]

Not even surprised

[keen quiver]

Neither rocks or roger were ready

[dense rapids]

Well Roger had a son to find the one piece but that son became a donut

Neither of their plans worked

[sage temple]

I remember when they said he was rash

[golden valley]

Roger plan better

[lofty fern]

I didn't like this version of tcb's translation either. It focuses a lot on the slave part but not on any of the stuff he's said before. Kind of summing that part down and emphasizing the slave half

[keen quiver]

Rocks was made to fight unprepared and roger died of his illness + was too early.

[woeful moth]

people do be thinking only romantic love but love has many forms... its probably a mish mash of forms of love too

[tranquil blade]

Roger's plan really wasn't good but he was lucky

[wet condor]

Harald's goal is overall naive though. Should've just did shit on his own and did the best he could from there

[royal orchid]

With Ida: Harald drives Elbaf right into Imu's trap, island is compromised and would become a warrior breeding grounds without SHs

Without Ida: Harald doesn't help Elbaf and only increases internal war and famines further, being beaten by a simple WG invasion right after its ruin is sealed

Common Denominator: Harald 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

[vital heart]

HOLY SHIT

HOLY SHIT

Imagine this, guys.

[sage temple]

Okay

[hot cairn]

fair enough

[sage temple]

Glad it's only a "who knows" theory

[wet condor]

If he cars about putting the giants in a better light

[celest mauve]

a nation's king with conqueror's haki saying he'd go as far as being a slave to serve his people is supposed to hit hard I guess, but it doesn't at all for me and now I understand the people who were frustrated with oden

[unique lagoon]

lokis eyes must be really special for him to read that shit

[dense haven]

harald vs oden in a ruler off who wins

[proud pivot]

Which one is better tho

[blazing depot]

Why didn’t Harald keep being a YN and raid and pillage

[stone tulip]

I mean my point is that the chapter made the Nika theory possible for me but there is a chance it might be wrong

[royal orchid]

@sage temple

[wet condor]

Well one ofthem never became a ruler lol

[vital heart]

Final War (38 Years Ago) In an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.

Harald gets the Galleila. Rocks has all of the pirates/villains.

Rocks + Garp + Roger + Harald + Big Mom + Kaido vs Imu.

Shiki/Kyo/the others/Galleila fight the rest of the WG people

Rocks has both fruits he was looking for and Harald eats the legendary one.

Do they win?

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[vital heart]

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT

ANSWER PLEASE

[tranquil blade]

Harald was said to be the greatest ruler in the history of Elbaph

[celest mauve]

we as the readers know xebec was right to plot against the WG, so it just sucks for me seeing harald keep going against his friend's ideals even after his death

[sage temple]

Kay

[dense rapids]

No because they need Nika

[proud pivot]

They don't cus nika is one of the fruits and no one can awaken it besides Luffy

[tranquil blade]

Idk maybe

[dense haven]

well thank god look at the damage he did with less power

[wet condor]

Well he was. A Daimyo, but never Shogun

[tough igloo]

nope , no Shirahoshi around .. will probably need the ancient weapons

[vital heart]

Says who

[tranquil blade]

Depends on the two fruits

[royal orchid]

a deserted warrior breeder country now is worse than a deserted warrior breeder country in the future but not by a lot

[dense rapids]

Nika isn’t one of the fruits

[vital heart]

Not true - Rocks doesn't know what Nika is. Harald can awaken the Nika fruit, apparently?

[keen quiver]

I think beinf against imu puts you relatively at a better position morally by default

[vital heart]

Shit. You right lowkey.

[dense rapids]

The whole manga based around Nika liberating the world?

[blazing depot]

I said this in spoiler chat but Rocks dying is a lesson to do your crew’s loyalty mission

[proud pivot]

It definitely is

[wet condor]

Oden's country fell into what was basically slavery because he never exercised power like he was "supposed" to lol

[blazing depot]

Mass Effect 2 reference btw

[golden valley]

Oh wait

[stone tulip]

If there is something that makes you feel better, we know that Harald would eventually end up sabotaging World government by end of all of this so clearly that will be changed

[sage temple]

No it isn't

[keen quiver]

Why the hell did oda never say which fruits rocks needed

[dense rapids]

Rocks doesn’t even know who Nika is

[keen quiver]

😭

Drip feed oda

[sage temple]

Rocks obviously knows what the two fruits are that he wants

[golden valley]

If Rocks doesn’t know who Nika is, how tf would he know of the Nika fruit

[lofty fern]

The thing is, Harold knows that the world government does bad things too. It's just that he's more balanced than rocks. At least he used to be. He is a little on one side with the sunk cost policy at this point, but I do think something changes because elbaph never actually becomes part of the worlds government not even in the next 40 years

[sage temple]

He doesn't know what Nika is

[wet condor]

I can honestly Oden doing the same shit Harald's doing if he became shogun — similar stuff lol

[tranquil blade]

because Oda's hiding it for later

[sage temple]

Nika isn't one of the fruits

[vital heart]

The two fruits Rocks was looking for are:

Yami Yami no Mi (BB has it)

and

The Elbaf fruit (Not the Nika fruit, though)

[keen quiver]

We know one gotta be the yami fruit

[dense rapids]

This chapter confirms Nika isn’t the fruit he was looking for

[sage temple]

BLACKBEARD AND LOKI

[proud pivot]

Hmm

[stone terrace]

What harald was doing is no different from a dwarf king getting his kingdom destroyed by a dragon because he amassed too much wealth

[proud pivot]

You right ngl

[celest mauve]

imu called it a blunder so are we sure this sabotage was even intentional? idk we'll see

[tranquil blade]

Probably, but we have no clue what the other one is

[royal orchid]

God Of The Land fruit from Elbaf 🗣️

[dense rapids]

Yami Yami and Doga Doga

[vital heart]

^

[vital heart]

You genuinely cooked

[golden valley]

Sigh

[celest mauve]

yeah apparently harald "blundered" and derailed plans for elbaf to become a member nation

[stone tulip]

I mean Lili’s sabotaged was also seen as blunder so

[woeful moth]

people need to realize that Rocks died because of love too... i think love is the enemy here

[ruby moat]

Aw hell nah they bringing up Catholicism for the agenda

[woeful moth]

Love really do be killing our guys

[tough igloo]

hold on …

[unique lagoon]

ey look new command / sticker

[dense rapids]

You could call it a Romance… Dawn

[stone tulip]

To me this sounded more like Rocks was confused about the comparison rather than Nika’s existences

[dense haven]

he truly loved being a dumb cunt

[royal orchid]

Legendary Elbaf fruit = God Of The Land mentioned in Skypiea = huge magical serpent = Loki

[celest mauve]

I hope we get to see a flashback of garp and dragon restoring their bond, considering that they were on speaking terms during post-enies lobby

[stone tulip]

Definitely something related to Roger and even Ohara that caused that

[sage temple]

I'VE BEEN ON THIS SINCE OCTOBER

[tough igloo]

that’s kinda how i read it to at first but who knows

[golden valley]

If that was the case, I don’t see why Loki would go onto explain what Nika is

[hot cairn]

nah it’s clearly the existence, Loki explains who it is in the next text

[stone tulip]

I think Loki was more trying to explain why he thinks Rocks is Nika

[woeful moth]

i think Loki is really bluffing that he has the fruit... i think he don't have any devil fruit...

[cold comet]

Harald was wrong.

[stone tulip]

Rather than explaining who Nika is

[sage temple]

Good for you

[vital heart]

I deadass have seen this image at least a thousand times by now

[stone tulip]

Or maybe Loki was just explaining why he thought Rocks was Nika

[blazing depot]

Running out of space brother

[wet condor]

Yeah, this is what makes me think Rocks doesn't know who he is

[sage temple]

I know you are not accusing me of spamming Meek

[vital heart]

I dont spam

[sage temple]

Yes you do

[golden valley]

Ehhh, the wording doesn’t come off as that

[tranquil blade]

There's still some white space in there

[golden valley]

Could be a TCB thing

[blazing depot]

Yes but it’s small

[stone tulip]

Loki bluffing is also possible but it all depends if the legendary fruit is Nika or not

[golden valley]

But the wording points otherwise

[dense rapids]

Loki’s fruit will be like Smiley in punk hazard or something similar

https://tenor.com/view/smiley-one-piece-one-piece-smiley-punk-hazard-slime-gif-26266399

[sage temple]

Based off of...

[hazy echo]

Oh wha the chapter released

[vital heart]

Yoo chill.. I translated that scene as literally as I could. To avoid any interpretation errors.

[dense rapids]

Go read punk hazard

[wet condor]

Rocks response is "Nika?". It's just his name. Without him saying anymore, you can interpret it like "Nika? Who is that?" or "Nika? How so?"

[brittle peak]

didn’t some sources say that dragon stays in the Navy til his mid-20s?

[unique lagoon]

spoiler herald dies

[dense rapids]

You’ll see the connections to the hellflame serpent

[golden valley]

I trust you meek

[stone tulip]

I guess but we might need some elaboration I suppose

[woeful moth]

i am assuming it Nika's fruit but then again it can be different

[sage temple]

Yeah durr I think Loki's fruit gives him the same powers of Imu go read the reverie if you think I'm wrong

[dense rapids]

Like it might not be an actual serpent but a salamander

[vital heart]

You are ignoring hella context

[wet condor]

But the fact that Loki is explaining who he is I think, from a meta point of view, means that Loki knows who Nika is and Rocks doesn't

[stone tulip]

Although alternatively Rocks may not know Nika’s existence but still wants the fruit despite the name change I suppose

[dense rapids]

I’m not trying to be funny

[sage temple]

One Piece fans when it's time to support their point with literally anything

Trust me bro just read the story

[celest mauve]

shit I care a lot more about garp and dragon now after this chapter

[stone tulip]

Yeah it’s possible but doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed to be true

[dense rapids]

Because you will understand if you read the arc?

I mean I could summarize it if you want

[tough igloo]

lol imagine if that’s the case & he only knows it by the gum gum fruit or joyboy fruit

[wet condor]

Dragon did some stuff. I'm still not super excited for him but we now know a bit more about him

What pushed him to become what he is

[woeful moth]

nothing is ever guaranteed to be true until its revealed anyway... there's like 100 more absurd theories out there hahaha

[urban lodge]

It was fine. I like that he didn't get a grand death

[unique lagoon]

so you saying rocks knows who joyboy is but dint know he had the nika df?

[royal orchid]

his death split the sky penny

with lightning

[vital heart]

ALSO

LAST THING BEFORE I LEAVE (i need to do some IRL errands)

[stone tulip]

Would be interesting alternative but honestly I do think Rocks knew about Nika and was simply confused about the comparison that Loki made cause I do have a hard time seeing that Nika isn’t one of the fruits Rocks wanted it

[vital heart]

My Rocks X Harald gay lovers theory was RIGHT!!!

[digital spear]

what was it again

[sage temple]

Yeah summarize it

[golden valley]

Me too, but coming from u, it sounds like Rocks disrespect ngl

[wet condor]

His soul returned to the heavens

[blazing depot]

I was saying man

[woeful moth]

there's a chance he's humoring the kid btw...

[ionic palm]

tbf, that knowledge has been lost to history and time

[steel stirrup]

That was absolutely grand

[vital heart]

genuine W

[hazy echo]

I was kinda right I think?

[proud pivot]

!rmd list

[wet condor]

I'll be surprised if anyone gets that reference lol

[proud pivot]

1st one

[vital heart]

Yugioh?

[wet condor]

No lol

[odd rune]

yeah i think its meant to show that sengoku is being diplomatic though. he isnt just talking about the marines and government, he's talking about the armies of the countries that are allied with the world government as well. the context here is they're discussing the covering up of god valley - not the covering up of a marine focused mistake (impel down security)
If it's a marine mistake, especially one that puts people in harms way and gives them no way of knowing, that's sengoku's problem and concern. The moment means even more when you consider sengoku was happy to take responsbility for marineford.
If it's a cover up for all of the information about god valley just be focusing on garp's heroism only, then sengoku can't be too concerned because it's almost impossible to account for all of it, if he tried to, he couldnt bring the change he thinks he can. Garp even reaffirms this in his own way imo, cause he threatens sengoku to not become corrupt with that mindset and doesn't go on to quit sengoku's marines i feel like that means garp has trust in him.

you could also just think about it in like a, yeah, sengoku is happy to turn a blind eye to cover ups sometimes, so it means a lot that he thought the impel down cover ups were absurd

[stone terrace]

Even i cant believe harald just called rocks his closest friend

[urban lodge]

Good (it's not in this case)

[wet condor]

I mean that may've happened in Yugioh

[stone terrace]

[stone tulip]

I mean to be fair this chapter also made the whole Loki joining grand fleet as co captain theory pretty guaranteed to happen for me but I get your point

[wet condor]

I'm surprised by that, yeah

[hazy echo]

I was kinda right I think?

[odd rune]

urm what

[urban lodge]

Also that Rocks color scheme is hilarious

[odd rune]

my message didnt send wtf i spend ages writing that

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-squidward-mr-krabs-rock-gif-9714276628674837375

[odd rune]

grrr

[hazy echo]

Oh oop it sent twice

[urban lodge]

What the fuck

[vital heart]

Sengoku is a pussy ass bitch. A lame excuse for what it means to stand for justice. I hope he gets destroyed by pirates in Cross Guild in the final war. We're comin' for ya, Sengoku!

[blazing depot]

@urban lodge as a Rocks hater what do you have to say about his death

[wet condor]

Based on their interactions, I wouldn't've really guessed that Harald cared about Rocks that much or felt about him like that

[stone tulip]

Also possible but I think it’s more of curiosity of the comparison here

[tough igloo]

the one fruit i’m 100% confident was one of the fruits Rocks wanted is the yami yami .. feels like it just makes too much sense

[odd rune]

what the helly why cant i see it at all but you guys can

whaa discord buggin

[vital heart]

#also-manga message

@odd rune

[unique lagoon]

how much stuff was offscreened before this
is that where gaban faced sommers?
reason for the "long time no see" bit?

[hazy echo]

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[urban lodge]

I don't like that I had to see his ugly ass one more time but his death was fine

[vital heart]

long time no see?

[hazy echo]

ENEL BALLING

[unique lagoon]

whatever he said before fighting sommers

[royal orchid]

meeks and meek can see it but macks can't
this is a name issue

[stone terrace]

Enel is kevin durant wtf

[wet condor]

If you sent a big message, I can't see it

[odd rune]

what the helly

[vital heart]

#also-manga message

[blazing depot]

How is Shanks balling with one arm?

[odd rune]

just ctrl+r

[hazy echo]

Dribbling master

[vital heart]

#also-manga message

[odd rune]

yeah it doesnt WORK you DINGUS

[woeful moth]

LUKA = LUFFY/NIKA

[odd rune]

RAHHH

SHUTUP

[wet condor]

Oh I see it

[celest mauve]

🙁

[wide star]

what if Teach said “ this power chose me “ about the yami yami is because it originally belonged to Davy Jones so he feels like it’s his birthright and not because it’s a Zoan

[vital heart]

NPC ass emoji.

[stone tulip]

If the theory about Elbaf legendary fruit is Nika being true then it’s most likely Rocks was referring to both Nika and Yami then

[celest mauve]

what a tragic character

[celest mauve]

how's it going meek

[odd rune]

the rocks 180 was crazy

[wet condor]

Roger and Garp were spared

[stone tulip]

Garling is such a fraudulent character man

[steel stirrup]

In such a short time bro has managed to be so legendary

[wet condor]

HKs could've killed them

[odd rune]

everyone thought this guy was like the most indefensable asshole evil guy ever

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[wet condor]

Unless Rayleigh and Gaban came and stopped that from happening? But I feel like we would've seen that if it was the case

[blazing depot]

You know what? Fair

[stone tulip]

Blame Sengoku for this man

[wide star]

if only Rocks crew (WB, Big Mom & Kaido) stayed around , how much could’ve changed 🙂‍↔️

[steel stirrup]

Imagine believing Sengoku

[stone tulip]

Never trust a marine again unless it’s Smoker, Garp, or SWORD lmao

[vital heart]

Fuck Sengoku.

[urban lodge]

Maybe if he was evil he would have been a good character 😔

[royal orchid]

where the rocks evil crowd at????????

🦗

[blazing depot]

An image for everything 😭

[odd rune]

sengoku has literally always been this way

[stone terrace]

This dude has EVERYTHING

[woeful moth]

that's just Luka and Lebron

[sage temple]

I have Loki folders and subfolders and sub-sub folders do not underestimate my agenda

[odd rune]

you guys are in L + Reread territory

[stone terrace]

socrates do you have any other hobbies or interests

[mighty shell]

GARLING FANS WHERE WE AT GARLING TOP 1 DEFEATED ROCKS ON HIS OWN 🗣️ 🔥

[unique lagoon]

so who/what destroyed the island?
and massive lighting in the sky? wut
yall just going to ignore that?

[blazing depot]

Nothing except Loki

[vital heart]

Socrates, what did you like about OP before Loki's introduction?

[sage temple]

Nope

Basketball

[celest mauve]

remember when we thought imu was going to use uranus and sink god valley with it, jokes on us

[steel stirrup]

He isn't good he is an amazing

Goat

[stone tulip]

Unfortunately Rocks had to recruit most disloyal crew ever and that’s what caused his downfall, it’s also why the straw hats are currently one of the most successful cause despite different goals and dreams they are that loyal to each other

[dense rapids]

Yea that’s random asl

First time I think Oda said something like that

[odd rune]

still wanna know what uranus is

[mighty shell]

take me to dinner first

[odd rune]

emood... please...

[sage temple]

Lowkey nothing since none of the characters I liked were relevant

[dense rapids]

Imu only just got the mother flame how was he gonna do that?

[odd rune]

calm DOWN

[unique lagoon]

i can argue thats uranus coming out of the ground

[stone tulip]

I used to be one of them, should’ve known better than to trust Sengoku 💀

[brittle peak]

wb is a fraud

[woeful moth]

and then it was revealed that the fuel for it is made by VP way after God Valley

[stone tulip]

There is also mention of a certain fog btw

[celest mauve]

maybe uranus had enough energy to fire one last shot and there was no energy source after to power it again for imu's island-sinking agenda, therefore vegapunk was approached

[vital heart]

Fog / Mist.

the original TCB script used "mist", feeso changed it to "fog".

[thick mango]

what are you referring to? Where else has fog been mentioned like this?

[unique lagoon]

ey man look there could have been multiple plutons that was made also

[stone terrace]

Rocks didnt kill one hp garling
Garling killed 1 hp rocks
Just different

[stone tulip]

Thriller bark

[hazy echo]

https://youtu.be/MfdkQl4vtbk?si=1cO3EhsIU1pJ9M0c

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[urban lodge]

Where the fuck did Teach get the black hair from

[tranquil blade]

I guess beggars cannot be choosers huh

[stone tulip]

Could be but there is also the whole fog thing too

[hazy echo]

Recessive gene

[royal orchid]

Fog... you don't say...

[blazing depot]

Maybe Teach is the antichrist?

[stone tulip]

He either dyed it or it’s similar case of genetics that two brunettes ended up having a blondie type of thing

[blazing depot]

That’s why his body is weird

[keen quiver]

I can see where you're coming from. It has a bit more nuance than the typical co worker dynamic. Sengoku was practically the perfect fleet admiral for the great era of piracy. The sea was in order, the marines reigned supreme and in the end they killed roger's only son and an emperor. It was a success but you can tell the entire incident nuked his confidence in the system he served and he immediately retired opening up a power vacuum. I just don't personally like a man like sengoku who will openly muse about why civilians would turn on them. And why the marines are starting to be seen in a more negative light. It feels tone deaf from the man who told Saul to not question the government or like I said muse about rising revolutionary sentiment. I think he needs some form of confrontation tbh.

[brittle peak]

We didn’t see Rocks getting killed tho, I hope he isn’t preserved in the holyland or something - and appears as a half dead in the final war

[unique lagoon]

rocks hair looks like lightning + face tat
coincidence?!

[stone tulip]

That’s immediately the first thing that came to my mind

[blazing depot]

I will double check this with antichrist expert Peter Thiel

[sage temple]

Loki hammer foreshadowing

[royal orchid]

I was all sad in spoiler channel that GV = TB died but just like a zombie it has risen from the grave

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

[frozen ravine]

i think weve spent enough time talking about one piece

what about star trek

[dense rapids]

The only characters in one piece not to have the same hair color as their parents are the

Vinsmoke Children
Neptune Children
Blackbeard

[sage temple]

Elbaph = TB

Luffy got his shadow taken
Luffy gets Domi Reversi

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/andrei-black-guy-gif-11424755498498314417

[woeful moth]

oda really said "is there a light at the end of the tunnel?" like we did not know Harald fckin dies by the hands of his constituents

[pulsar path]

Garp the revolutionary

[keen quiver]

This man is reading the wiki to remember shit

Give him a break

😭

[clever idol]

Garp said kay

[pulsar path]

We now know that

[wet condor]

Can't say much else lol

Could've said nothing at all. I would get it lol

[sage temple]

Light at the end of the tunnel = Loki almost wins against Shanks?

[pulsar path]

Domi can be reversed if you hit em hard enough garland just killed Xebec I guess

So broggy and dory will be fine

[wet condor]

Hit them upside the head real good

[royal orchid]

Gear 5 counters Domi Reversi

[wet condor]

They'll go back to normal

[wide star]

Garp 20+ years later

“ Okay grandson , I need you to join the marines !! “ 🤦🏾‍♂️

[tranquil blade]

Harald dying might be the light at the end of the tunnel

[dense rapids]

Please Oda make Nika not immune

[keen quiver]

Turns out the answer is just more haki who would have thought

[wet condor]

In a crude way, this what it amounts to it seems

[stone terrace]

Dragon came to loguetown to kill luffy if he chose to be a marine bro 😭

[wet condor]

Gotta hit 'em with the special hammer tho

The conq hammer

[unique lagoon]

this mf cant even carry his boss to safety

[woeful moth]

he's gonna go into the light yeah...

[wide star]

Bogard doesn’t exist

[dense rapids]

Bumgaurd

[tranquil blade]

Sorriest Marine in existence

[wide star]

we just all imagined him in our minds ..

[dense rapids]

Garp and his imaginary friend

[stone terrace]

I hate a useless subordinate

[keen quiver]

Considering what he said...maybe a little whooping if he was a marine

[solid stone]

CHAPTER OUT

EVAN TENGU.

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah random ass Wano color spread

[wet condor]

Bogard had his chance

[royal orchid]

unless a weakness or condition is applied to a villain's hax (homeland theory) the only way to write it is through exceptions

[tranquil blade]

Oda loves the arc that his fans hate

[north grove]

Anyone able to help me figure out where I left off reading please? Most recent thing I remember is shamrock showing up and all the elbaf kids walking somewhere

[solid stone]

KakuNami crackshippers from weekly Water 7 probably got their crumbs today

[tranquil blade]

Actually it's not even his fans it's just a few people

[wet condor]

Bogard fans waited patiently

[royal orchid]

I thought you were muted

[tranquil blade]

Most people like Wano

[wet condor]

And went broke for nothing

[dense rapids]

Oda put Nami in a sheep’s wool hat for a reason 🐰 ⏰

[royal orchid]

Nami wore it better than Kaku

[urban lodge]

I only hate everything onigashima and on

[celest mauve]

how does one even think of that lmao

[unique lagoon]

wasted opportunity to add sleeping jinbe buried under the leaves

[solid stone]

i asked for the mute lol

[solid stone]

i saw the kaku top hat

[tranquil blade]

Hello spice_cowboy

[solid stone]

and was like

[woeful moth]

tbh the thing i hate in wano is the prison thing and that's it

[solid stone]

"yo there's probably a kaku x nami shipper from way back that's going crazy over htis"

[stone terrace]

2 paths:
heterosexual? ship.
Homosexual? SHIP.

[wide star]

I can only imagine the other HKs who were at God Valley having to hear Garling brag around mariejois about being the “champion” of god valley

[celest mauve]

fair enough

[celest mauve]

or a 3rd path, they all suck

[lofty fern]

I think it was even before that to a degree. The "blunder" was the thing that Imu finally noticed

[woeful moth]

Nami x Kalifa is literally more valid than Nami x kaku wtf

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-of-course-drake-lil-yachty-laptop-confused-understand-gif-13325798991723423204

[grand flower]

Go ahead and say it. I told you so @lofty fern

[solid stone]

I called it a crackship for a reason

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kalifa-kalifa-one-piece-soap-enies-lobby-gif-10670859574865260839

[lofty fern]

?

About what?

[celest mauve]

both shit

[ruby moat]

i told you so. (1160 dragon)

[solid stone]

both ship

[celest mauve]

[tranquil blade]

Tera is not even homophobic he's just anti-ship

[solid stone]

I like garling's silhouette

[mighty shell]

ngl that's funny as hell i support it

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/nami-vivi-namvivi-one-piece-jadestash-gif-17386765783379609205

[celest mauve]

if I wanted good gay pairings I'd read naruto

[solid stone]

see emood gets it

[somber rivet]

When the night arrives, the ship war begins.

[solid stone]

that was someone's embarrassing high school ship

[royal orchid]

so 1166 guys

[tranquil blade]

I'm excited for 1167

[celest mauve]

what is this supposed to do

[solid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-crying-in-rain-on-steps-gif-26386591

[wet condor]

Tera is pro a certain ship

I'm actually anti-ship lol

[royal orchid]

that ship

[celest mauve]

and it's the only one, I don't like any other in this story

[royal orchid]

[...!!]

[solid stone]

dang man

rocks.....

[royal orchid]

I love old one piece scans with that font

!godsofpirate

[tropic nova]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NHj-akUMx-UxKF_SYSYvpo735tsfFfcAnz567SIFNno/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/426453180621127693/Screen_Shot_2018-03-22_at_18.52.29.png

[celest mauve]

now why is the part where nami says she's talking like an old man cut out

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-anime-cry-crying-gif-5378935

[lofty fern]

Harald is so underappreciated 😢
I think it takes a lot of guts to go do this and especially considering where he originally started from

[woeful moth]

irrelevant

[urban lodge]

Rip bozo

[celest mauve]

[wet condor]

I wouldn't call him "weak" for doing this

[frigid gulch]

Rocks’ death moved mountains

[royal orchid]

I would however call him a fool

[lofty fern]

He's been slandered all week

[wet condor]

I can't say nothing lol

[stone terrace]

A fool of a man dooms himself. A fool of a king dooms his nation

[solid stone]

i really really like this double spread

[stone terrace]

😟

[unique lagoon]

[lofty fern]

He's kinda on the same area as Riku, just with a lot of strength

[celest mauve]

did oda cook with god valley

[solid stone]

that illustration of the ships sailing

pirate ships.....

[solid stone]

100% man

100%.

[urban lodge]

Dog valley

[celest mauve]

I think so too, I think the only thing I didn't like was rayleigh x shakky lol

[solid stone]

my dumb self thought this was momo for a sec

[urban lodge]

Loki is a dumbass

[royal orchid]

me valley or something

[lofty fern]

Good thing Loki is still so little or it would be hard to read that newspaper lol

[frigid gulch]

Rocks is his hero

Can’t blame him

[thick mango]

so im curious how satisfied folks are with the answers here. did god valley as a whole live up to your expectations before knowing it?

[frigid gulch]

[wet condor]

God Valley didn't live up to my expectatiosn no

[solid stone]

the roger era

[wet condor]

But it was solid throughout

[solid stone]

rise of the yonko era

[stone terrace]

I tempered my expectations heavily

[hallow herald]

yes, i cant wait to learn abt all the shit Oda offscreened

[urban lodge]

I had zero expectations and it was somehow even worse

[hazy echo]

Huh I just realize was Garling going to kill Garp

[lofty fern]

I didn't have a lot of expectations, but having Dragon there alone made it worth it. Plus I loved the Shakky/Ray storyline

[stone terrace]

If it was me 2 years ago id be real disappointed

[frigid gulch]

Oda skipped that stuff

[wide star]

based off Rocks words , yeah.

[woeful moth]

the problem with some of the readers of one piece alot of them assume that the characters also know what they know... and they think that an interaction between characters mean that they fully know each other now... like assuming that Harald knows everything Rocks want to do, his secrets and what Rocks knows about the WG... hence they think Harald is just a fool because of it

[solid stone]

do you think online discourse might've shaped/tampered with some of your expectations?

[frigid gulch]

But I would have to assume… they swiped Roger and Garp before the knights got to them

Somehow

[lofty fern]

I think Garling and the other knights were gone before ray and gaban arrived

[clever idol]

Thats how jt happened yea

[solid stone]

cause I'm realizing I spent most of this flashback not being tapped in on what people were discussing

haven't done that in a really long time

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t make sense cause the others shoulda executed them

[somber rivet]

"Full Speed Ahead" Oda is a fan of Epic the Musical

[frigid gulch]

Maffey and Sommers

[somber rivet]

based

[frigid gulch]

Unless they fought

[unique lagoon]

so is he saying herald got the power to destroy the world?
cuz of elbaf army? or the DF he wants to feed him

[ruby moat]

oh i didnt even realize that it was gaban carrying garp, i'd have liked to see the interaction of gaban dropping garp off at the marines like "uhh here ya go i think this belongs to yall"

[frigid gulch]

But offscreen piece

[wide star]

when rocks saw the holy knights he said “ roger , garp run , you can’t die here “ kinda implies he believed the HKs would’ve tried to kill Roger & Garp too

[lofty fern]

He's relating it to the Gallira thing later on

[hazy echo]

Nah they were approaching all 3 of them

[thick mango]

i will say that any amount of backwards re-explanations in any gaps will lower it in my estimation

i hate that shit

[unique lagoon]

those guys are enough to destroy the world?

wut

[thick mango]

this was your opportunity to tell the god valley story, if you remember in 10 chapters you wanted to add another bit, too late

[wide star]

the same guys who got cooked centuries ago and ended up frozen lol

[lofty fern]

No I mean by the time Ray and Gaban came, they were gone. So they didn't kill the other 2

[solid stone]

leadin up to that Film Red pamphlet

[dense rapids]

Both ig

[frigid gulch]

The Holy Bums

As usual

[vital heart]

LMAO ME TOO

@solid stone Howd you like my TL?

[woeful moth]

wait that dude has black wings?

[solid stone]

there it iss

[lofty fern]

In the original translation, Rocks says the gallira are destroyers too. TCB just changed it to "ravagers"

[unique lagoon]

wat

im talking about nika destroying the world bit

[hazy echo]

It was in the film itself https://youtu.be/3W-ozkhQ2xc?si=tfcxBCnyngRsrEkN

[woeful moth]

also Roger stole that other dude's mustache

[solid stone]

It's nice so far, also what about your colleague ✍️

your collaborator

co-translator

[solid stone]

this is true I saw it happen

[unique lagoon]

also yeah gaban def messed with sommers during roger rescue

[lofty fern]

Yes and Rocks is connecting it with Harald and then later the giants of gallira

[vital heart]

Same thing bruh. I am not gonna discuss this any further.

[solid stone]

oh yeah, it's really cool finally getting to this point

[lofty fern]

Uh-huh...

[lofty fern]

Yeah, just off by a lot of points

[solid stone]

in-universe garp stan powerscaler

[dense rapids]

*Destroyers

[vital heart]

I considered both and ravagers sounded cooler to me.

#GuardiansOfTheGalaxyReference

[solid stone]

oh wow

garp had a target on morgans

[thick mango]

and guess whos still around today doing just fine

morgans > garp confirmed

[vital heart]

Garp.

Garp > Morgans

[dense rapids]

Bro power scaling with fake info

[wet condor]

Morgans is fun lol

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-news-morgans-one-piece-bird-news-gif-22844774

[sage temple]

Loki > Both

Dude killed Domi Harald

[frigid gulch]

Morgans > Loki

[lofty fern]

Yes, I win this week 😈

[royal orchid]

BIG NEWS BIG NEWS

[frigid gulch]

Just wait for awakened Morgans

[vital heart]

Killing Harald is not a feat anymore btw

Harald is a bum

[woeful moth]

BIG NEWS FAKE NEWS!

[vital heart]

A fraud

[sage temple]

Not really

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-morgans-morgans-one-piece-albatross-big-news-morgans-gif-7626023467721012197

[sage temple]

We know you can't lose Haki

[blazing mantle]

Garling top 3 frauds in the verse

[solid stone]

#MorgansSweep

[sage temple]

We just saw Harald beat another giant to a puddle

[lofty fern]

That "bum" is equal to Rocks in strength

[solid stone]

I like young Garp and Sengoku's dynamic

[sage temple]

Harald isn't any weaker than he was before

[ruby moat]

mr 3 level feat

[forest light]

I love Morgans

News reporter characters are always goated

[woeful moth]

i like it... but goddamn i hate Sengoku

[royal orchid]

Harald is a bum philosophically speaking

[forest light]

Good or evil

[sage temple]

And Loki killed an amplified version of Harald

[soft tangle]

Oda really gave dragon and garp a couple panels 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[unique lagoon]

[sage temple]

Yeah his principles for sure

[solid stone]

yooo what?? we were in elbaf???

[sage temple]

But physically Harald is in the same field as he was against Rocks back then

[soft tangle]

“Kay” masterclass by Oda 🙏🙏🙏

[sage temple]

If not stronger

[solid stone]

oh nice, I was curious how they compared

[stone terrace]

Meek*

[frigid gulch]

The fan did well

All things considered

[sage temple]

I was surprised we got back so fast too ngl

[odd rune]

yeah i think this is mostly true but my main point its not hypocritical because the contexts are different surrounding it. sengoku has always cared about civillian safety. and obviously he cant do everything he wants to about that, but he feels that being closer to the top gives him the best chance he can get, which is why he feels he can turn a blind eye to incidents like ohara and god valley etc etc. what i do think is important is that the shifting perspective / shift justice route is more one that kuzan occupied and i think mostly echoed in chapter 397 as well if you care to read it. also sengoku doesnt say that in 397, its 396. i think its weird though im not denying that

[strong wadi]

Damn, all the people that got mad at Oden are about to get mad at Harald

[odd rune]

@vestal mural do you have a website for finding one piece chapters in japanese

[wet condor]

And more

[vital heart]

Why don't you ever respond to my messages with this much time and effort?

[odd rune]

my site got taken down :(

[vital heart]

I do

lol

Do you want it?

[blazing mantle]

The great switch up is upon us

[lofty fern]

Feeso and Meek invented "kay"

[tranquil blade]

Is it more or less justified this time

[sage temple]

Glad Loki killed him blindfolded

[digital spear]

the conversation between Dragon and Garp was so peak bro

[sage temple]

And survived Imu

[woeful moth]

so... KYA HAHAHAHA is shanks' laugh

[soft tangle]

Oda writing the same character over and over

[sage temple]

So nonchalant

[woeful moth]

or did that change?

[sage temple]

I fw Garp now

[woeful moth]

i actually don't know his laugh

[tranquil blade]

Garp not even trying to argue

[vital heart]

@odd rune check dm

[ruby moat]

garp: "kk"

[random hinge]

how my students talk to me fr

[thick mango]

I liked it too but ive seen a decent amount of dislike for it

[soft tangle]

What is there to like

[stone terrace]

Why did garp just throw the key in there