also-manga

[tranquil blade]

No way nothing happened in that time

[dapper tree]

Skip all that, boring

[vital heart]

They interacted through Rocks transitively

[tranquil blade]

I mean we know he went to at least one reverie and met Shanks

[thick mango]

has harald interacted with roger or even spoken about him in a single line of dialogue? Im pretty sure the answer is no

[fast pagoda]

Next chapter - Rocks dies, end of GV, Loki reaction
Chapter after that - Focusing on Elbaph and Loki's life, ending with the HKs arrival in the castle
Final chapter - Shows what happened with Harald's death and Loki, back to present

[frigid gulch]

Harald did interact with Garp

[vital heart]

OHARA INCIDENT ROGERS DEATH, SHANKS AT REVERIE W HARALD

[frigid gulch]

But Roger who knows

[vital heart]

YOU GUYSSSSSSSS

[tranquil blade]

We dont really know but didn't Roger go to every island on the grand line? It's possible Roger has been to Elbaph

[vital heart]

stop stressing me out

[dapper tree]

Skip

O'Hara is boring

[vital heart]

with your sheer lack of regard for the series

[thick mango]

no he just reached the end, he didnt visit every island

[hot cairn]

there’s like 6-7 more chapters of this flashback

[urban lodge]

He circumnavigated it but there are many routes you can take so I really doubt he visited every island

[frigid gulch]

I’d wager 5 more at least

[tranquil blade]

...

[dapper tree]

3 more

[frigid gulch]

Maybe next chap is like half GV

And then move to Loki/Harald

[vital heart]

No bruh

[dapper tree]

I just need to get back to the present

[vital heart]

No bruh

No no no no

Sacre bleu

Oh my days

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[dapper tree]

Meek don't say there's like 15 more chaps

[fast pagoda]

Why would Ohara be shown

Shanks and Harald in Mary Geoise will likely be saved for Shanks flashback

Roger's death will probably only be mentioned in passing with Loki and Harald's reaction

[distant vine]

3 more for Elbaph tracks to me

[vital heart]

You guys genuinely rage baiting me into a flow state khaby lame mechanism

[brittle basin]

English only server, sir.

[distant vine]

Maybe 4-5 at most

[frigid gulch]

I think the castle incident will probably take like 2

[rose rune]

GV is probably over already. it seemed like it got wrapped up last chapter

[frigid gulch]

So idk

Like 2 beforehand

[vital heart]

WE NEED TO SEE

Ohara Genocide/Saul coming to Elbaf

Roger’s Death

Shanks interact w Harald on Reverie

THEN WE CAN GET TO THE CASTLE INCIDENT

i read the series, in the past 3 weeks, I’ve been getting into korean webtoons. I know my shit.

[tranquil blade]

The text boxes at the end of this chapter are the kind that imply the GV incident is over

[distant vine]

Roger's death? Huh?

[frigid gulch]

We’ll likely see some slaughtering in the castle

[distant vine]

[vital heart]

Lokis reaction

[tranquil blade]

Why would we see Roger's death

[urban lodge]

3 of Harald, 1 of post-incident Loki (Oda will speedrun the shit out of it)

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-holiday-special-lumpy-circus-acrobatics-wookie-gif-4454047180457143996

[vital heart]

Harald reaction

[thick mango]

I dont think loki or harald have said a single thing about roger

[tranquil blade]

Loki dgaf he only likes Rocks

[dapper tree]

Meek that means nothing

[distant vine]

The Shanks and Harald stuff is a fair point

[vital heart]

You dumb dumb bubble gums

Roger announcing the OP exists genuinely made Loki wanna go out to sea.

[thick mango]

we dont need to see every single person in the universe react to the news of rogers death

[frigid gulch]

His goat

[tranquil blade]

Even if Roger did go to the island I doubt Loki would care much about him

[frigid gulch]

Hed just say “Rocks betta”

[hot cairn]

you’re severely mistaken, there’s so much to cover still

[hot cairn]

trueeee

[dapper tree]

I need to get outta flashback land

[vital heart]

Oh mother f—

We do. It is quite literally to date, the most important and iconic scene in OP. Thats the point. That every character has reactions to it. Even fucking Bumzuki Oden reacted

[frigid gulch]

Yea we’ll likely see Harald and Shanks interact

[urban lodge]

Loki is a piratefolk user

[frigid gulch]

It’s pretty relevant

[vital heart]

We got 5 chapters to go. Ends on 1170

2 for what I said. 3 for castle incident.

[vale gust]

Saw a booktuber 'predict' g5 reading arlong park for the first time and comments fell for it

[frozen aspen]

cringe and canon

[hot cairn]

An actual list of all the things we still need to see:

• God Valleys repercussions and a bit of how the Rocks pirates and the other parties ended up afterwards, Lokis reaction to Xebecs death
• ⁠Saul coming to Elbaph after almost dying
• Harald ripping out his horns, probably for the world government, which sours Lokis relationship to his father
• Hajrudin and Loki grow up, how Loki got his hammer
• Bonus: How Gaban and Saul came to Elbaf, Hajrudins crew helping Saul with the books, Gaban probably bonding with Harald over navigation and meeting Ripley, more Elbaf lore in general
• Harald meeting Shanks in Mariejois, maybe a bit more about Shanks and Shamrock during this flashback in general since theyre relevant too
• Imus plan, we finally see what went down 14 years ago, the Jarul head stab and Haralds death
• Loki escapes and the Elbaf fruit disappears (which we eventually should also learn more about during this flashback)
• a quick speedrun of Lokis life after Elbaf too, the Lola situation, and how Shanks got him in the end

we’ll get to 2026 within flashback land

[thick mango]

i think i just got a very definiteion of 'need to see' from most people

[rose rune]

actually, I'd go one step further and say that we don't need to see every single person or event

[vital heart]

Great list

[dapper tree]

Too many things

[hot cairn]

what do you think wont be shown of what I sent?

[vital heart]

Glad to see at least one person hasnt completely lost their mind since I’ve left.

[frigid gulch]

If we do see past the castle incident then ye it’s more than 5 chapters

[hot cairn]

well, it’s quite a long flashback

[ocean sigil]

Some german tiktoker said this is the first time we heared the word haki but it was translated wrong back then, Meek confirmation please?

[thick mango]

2, 4, 5, 6, 9

[frozen aspen]

We might not necessarily see what loki did after fleeing el af tbh

[hot cairn]

thanks

[tranquil blade]

Oh this is a well known thing

[dapper tree]

I've seen that before

[frozen aspen]

oda might cut right there and then

[frigid gulch]

Yea

[tranquil blade]

Pretty sure Stephen translated that as haki when he looked at it

[vale gust]

How could this be haki

[ocean sigil]

First time I've heard, need to step up

[tranquil blade]

Even though he wasn't the official translator at the time

[frigid gulch]

I think we just have 5 or so including castle events

[vale gust]

Luffy didnt even have haki

[frigid gulch]

But if we were to go past that then idk

[tranquil blade]

So yeah haki was mentioned back then

[ocean totem]

Everyone has haki

[ocean sigil]

BB sensing Luffys power with Observation

[hot cairn]

we’re def seeing Harald and Shanks meet, it was teased in chapter 1152

[dapper tree]

He did but didnt

[rose rune]

there's haki inside all of us

[ocean totem]

And Blackbeard references it when they meet again later too

[ocean sigil]

You should've showed me...

[frigid gulch]

Haki is us

[tranquil blade]

I think you'd have to be soulless to lack haki

[dapper tree]

Lol, I didnt think it was ever important

[vale gust]

Bb of all ppl, the df merchant forskinning haki

[hot cairn]

me too

[ocean sigil]

Everything is important....

[hot cairn]

it’s either 5 or 6

[tranquil blade]

Even the seraphim (supposedly) have the potential to use haki

[hot cairn]

the rest of the year basically

[frigid gulch]

At the time, they’d just translate it as “ambition” or “will” prob

[ocean sigil]

Thats why brook hasn't shown any haki feets

[dapper tree]

Did you also ever ask me when the first time haki was ever mentioned?

[frigid gulch]

They’re listed to have it

[hot cairn]

but yeah I’m more excited for the present than anything else

[frigid gulch]

Viz botched that tl

[ocean sigil]

You're right, next time I have a question I'll ping you directly

[dapper tree]

Perfect

[vale gust]

Even if u go by the logic that everyone has innate haki, what made luffys haki special compared to new world npcs who had far better haki who bb had alr seen

[ocean sigil]

This translation sounds completely wrong

[hot cairn]

itll be speedrunned

don’t believe Arsal

[ocean sigil]

Its implying Luffy looked weaker than 30 mil

[dapper tree]

It wasn't that it was special. Luffy just looked weaker

[frigid gulch]

Plus they didn’t mention ambition

[indigo yacht]

@strong wadi fuck you

[ocean sigil]

Yeah

[dapper tree]

IS IT THIS EPISODE

[hot cairn]

damn what was the fuck you for

[dapper tree]

[hot cairn]

yeah

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[strong wadi]

Red is the biggest gin fan, I don’t make the rules

[dapper tree]

[ocean sigil]

Krieg looks so handsome pre ts.. long hair is a no go

[frigid gulch]

Don Krieg, the strongest in the world

[tranquil blade]

I think Blackbeard was just talking shit

[frigid gulch]

[tranquil blade]

Actually wait

[strong wadi]

• I know you already watched the episode

[ocean sigil]

Because he is shit...

[indigo yacht]

He reminded me of my greatest failure

[ocean totem]

It's not that it was special

[tranquil blade]

Nvm that is just the viz translation

[ocean totem]

It's that Luffy had a decent amount and it matched his bounty

[strong wadi]

You with that kakegurui pfp….

[hot cairn]

what was your biggest failure

[ocean totem]

Blackbeard was looking specifically for someone valuable

[indigo yacht]

Don’t worry about it

[frigid gulch]

BB thought 30M was too low for the haki Luffy exuded

[tranquil blade]

Yeah viz is iffy so I'm pretty sure haki was meant to be in there

[hot cairn]

Gin in Wano?

[indigo yacht]

No!

[indigo yacht]

A lifetime ago I was a young man

[hot cairn]

tell me!

[ocean sigil]

It was Yamato nakama

[indigo yacht]

You couldn’t let that go?

[ocean sigil]

I know Rob

[tranquil blade]

Why did they give him a sword

This sucks

[hot cairn]

what does that have to do with Gin and Krieg

[dapper tree]

The manga gave him one

[ashen rose]

Mihawk upscale

[tranquil blade]

I know

[frigid gulch]

Well it makes sense when you have mantra afterwards

[ocean sigil]

Idk i thought you're talking about the bingo card

[frigid gulch]

Oda had an idea

[ocean sigil]

Did you see Mihawk since we saw Gin and Krieg? Exactly, Cross guild is no more thanks to these two

[ashen rose]

For how long has this server existed?

[vale gust]

Ok that makes more sense. Does the bubble use the same word as haki ?

[dapper tree]

Like 8/9ish years

[hot cairn]

damn that’s a long time ago

[agile stream]

800 years because it did exist 800 years ago like an ancient version but it got erased from history

[hot cairn]

what arc was 8/9 years ago?

[ocean sigil]

I think WCI

[ashen rose]

Wow, imagine the war that happened because of wano

[hot cairn]

Dressrosa?

[ocean sigil]

Or Dressrosa

[ashen rose]

Nope

[urban lodge]

Wci

[ashen rose]

Or actually yes

[agile stream]

800 years because it did exist 800 years ago like an ancient version but it got erased from history

[urban lodge]

Dressrosa was 10 years ago

[dapper tree]

I joined like 2017/18 during wCI I think

[hot cairn]

wdym

[hot cairn]

you old

[dapper tree]

[ocean sigil]

Same, when I joined in 2017 it was end of Zou

[ashen rose]

ZKK, Yamato, Kaido, raid discussion, etc...

[agile stream]

Nuh lodestar arc aint comming any time soon

[ashen rose]

I know wano was hell to go through in the manga

[dapper tree]

KWW amiright fellas

[hot cairn]

it was a peak time during the server

[dapper tree]

[ocean sigil]

Because I switched from anime to Manga during dressrosa end, and could read whole Zou in one go

[hot cairn]

so many funny shit happened

[hot cairn]

why not?

[soft fog]

the theories were crazy

[ashen rose]

Was it peak because it was toxic, or was it toxic because it was peak?

[soft fog]

I am dying for a lode star arc

[ocean sigil]

Remember when Time traveler Oden appeared in Wano? Good times..

[hot cairn]

both

[hot cairn]

lmaoo one of the worst break weeks ever

[soft fog]

I want there to be a isolated population on lodestar and it be western themed

[ocean sigil]

The theories were WILD back then

[hot cairn]

western themed lodestar is my dream

[ashen rose]

A western themed arc would be crazy ngl

Lodestar sounds like a very underrated arc potential

[soft fog]

Then it could be usopps arc

[hot cairn]

resin

[soft fog]

usopp upgrades to gun

[ashen rose]

Gun with kairoseki bullets

[hot cairn]

Lodestar is definitely happening

[agile stream]

Before lodestar arc but after elbaf, we have many more arcs to go

[agile stream]

Yes but not any time soon

[ashen rose]

I know, I don't know if it's going to be a long arc tho

[hot cairn]

Which arcs do you think are next?

[agile stream]

@hot cairn Lodestar arc WILL defenitely happend but not any time soon

[hot cairn]

I also agree there’s many arcs left

[soft fog]

I honestly dont want one piece to be over

[agile stream]

Winner island arc, sphinx arc, hachinosu arc, god valley arc, THEN lodestar arc

[soft fog]

I want it to be my companion through life

[hot cairn]

ah okay I thought you meant that there wouldn’t be a lodestar arc

[ashen rose]

Mf I want to know what the one piece is

[ocean sigil]

I think the best moments in this server were:

1. Time traveler Oden or Enel
2. CyberJimbei
3. Resin
4. Thousand Sunny is destroyed by BM crew
5. Raid is gonna fail

There were many more man this server really saved my covid times

[agile stream]

Oh alr

[soft fog]

g5 luffy tore the server apart

[hot cairn]

winner island? Why would we go there

also I don’t think we’re going to god valley either

[ocean sigil]

Trueeee.. some even left the server because of G5

[ashen rose]

Yo is your PFP a krookodile as crocodile? Tuff

[ashen rose]

Good tbh

[hot cairn]

the only one I might agree with in that list is Hachinosu and lodestar

[ocean sigil]

Thx folk

[ashen rose]

They fleed to piratefolk

[agile stream]

Hear me out

The straw hats went to wano, egghead, and elbaf, whats the only island left of the region? winner island!

Its also to save law

[hot cairn]

I wasn’t here for 2 and 4

[ocean sigil]

I didnt like G5 back then too

[hot cairn]

what the heck is cyber Jinbe

[ashen rose]

Did you learn to appreciate it?

[hot cairn]

but yes, gear 5 broke the server

[agile stream]

@hot cairn

[ocean sigil]

Remember when BM turned the wheel on Jimbei when he wanted to leave the crew? Some people were speculation he lost his arm and leg and will appear as a cyborg in wano

[hot cairn]

Law isnt there anymore tho, he escaped with Bepo

[ashen rose]

Could have imagined it, Nika Nika fruit retcon and goofy power ups might have been a catastrophe

[agile stream]

Alr but still

[dapper tree]

Homie jinbei

[agile stream]

The only island left is winner island

[hot cairn]

LOL that’s funny, I thought the prevalent theory was that Jinbe would turn into a wheel and that’s why this sticker exists

[ocean sigil]

I think I just didnt like the fact that Luffy unlocked so many features in Wano.. felt like Oda gave him too many power ups in wano alone

[ashen rose]

And here I was thinking today's theory discussions were wack

[ocean sigil]

PEAK

[agile stream]

Why?

[hot cairn]

oh I can’t find it

[dapper tree]

Such a bad theory

[agile stream]

The only island left in the region of wano egghead elbaf is winner island

[ocean sigil]

Its gone.. so many good stickers and commands are gone

[hot cairn]

a couple of people dropped the series lol

[ashen rose]

Imagine dropping this bad boy in that era

[ocean sigil]

I loved every Jimbei theory.. that was my lurker times in this server when I was too shy to write

[tranquil blade]

I miss the Wheelbe sticker

[grand flower]

@tranquil blade how do i push these apart

[hot cairn]

why would we go there?

[ashen rose]

I know lol, either that or they went to r/piratefolk

[tranquil blade]

Wdym push them?

[gritty shuttle]

What's this

[agile stream]

To discover stuff from the past from god valley

[grand flower]

movavi

[hot cairn]

Ik but we went to Elbaph because we had to escape egghead

[ocean sigil]

Might be my fav One Piece page oat

[gritty shuttle]

Making an edit?

[tranquil blade]

Movavi?

[hot cairn]

I just noticed

[ashen rose]

Same, oda went hard on this

[grand flower]

ya

[agile stream]

Ye but still i think winner island will happend

[tranquil blade]

Oh it's called movavi now

Shit

[ashen rose]

Lore piece best piece

[grand flower]

i wanna make a space between em like this

[gritty shuttle]

SHOW US WHEN YOURE DONE ! !

[grand flower]

i lost the project lol

had to start over

[gritty shuttle]

Ah

[agile stream]

To discover stuff from the past from god valley

[grand flower]

i still have the full audio track

[hot cairn]

that can happend during a Blackbeard arc

[ocean sigil]

We had 4 Loro commands, 3 Lanji commands, Winbei, 5elders command.. so good I spammed them all the time

[grand flower]

i just have to reattach images and clips to it

[agile stream]

Like hachinosu?

[hot cairn]

what happened to the game I loved

[hot cairn]

yeah, also God Valley isnt even on the grandline, that sounds like a big detour

[tranquil blade]

Uhh I dont remember sorry, I might have to redownload it to check I just haven't used it in years and I'm trying to read this textbook rn for a class

[ocean sigil]

Where random characters get killed in this server? Forgot the name

[grand flower]

that's okay, i'll figure it out

[agile stream]

Yeah BUT they can use a marine ship to sail past the calm belt to get to god valley and then sail back with the marine ship yk

[hot cairn]

no I mean what happened to this server

[hot cairn]

idk that seems uneccesary

[agile stream]

Yea fair

[ocean sigil]

Oh.. it's still good, I cant be here that often anymore, but it's still fun

[hot cairn]

I still agree that there’s many arcs left tho

[agile stream]

So the discovering stuff will probably happend in hachinosu?

[hot cairn]

but whatever happens during Elbaph we’ll give us a good starting point

[hot cairn]

perhaps

[agile stream]

Yea

[hot cairn]

it’s not as funny as it was during Wano but that arc is an exception lol

[tranquil blade]

Mod might delete that Jura, for the word in the bottom right

[agile stream]

Also another reason for god valley is, not only to discover stuff from the past but also so that maybe luffy and koby will fight blackbeard there just like roger and garp fought xebec, yes ik the xebec one was reverse domi but they still fought, so i think in god valley, koby and luffy will fight blackbeard, not as a final battle, but as a pre-battle and to see the glimpse of the final battle and as the final battles preparer

[ocean sigil]

Oh yeah

[ocean sigil]

Cant post half the old pictures because its forbidden now

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/redcrocodile875/status/1468067638383316998

redcrocodile/악어 (@redcrocodile875)

Salute for Desk workers

X · Dec 7, 2021, 3:59 AM

the dog shed💀

[agile stream]

.

[ocean sigil]

This hits different now..

[tranquil blade]

Freaky ass bottom image

[frozen aspen]

it has potential

[hot cairn]

that can happen in Hachinosu tho

[agile stream]

Alr yea

[agile stream]

Wait your actually right

[hot cairn]

damn almost 7 years later

[agile stream]

But i still think they are going to winner island cause they went to wano egghead elbaph and the only island left from that region is winner island so yea

[ocean sigil]

Old Memes were so PEAK.. also the Zoro stans were unbearable back then

[ocean sigil]

Time flies..

[agile stream]

Dam it does

[dapper tree]

They still are

[ocean sigil]

I think some of the funniest shi happened with Youss here, somehow he was always the in it

[ocean sigil]

Not as much as back then

You couldnt talk about anything zoro related without them spamming their love

[tranquil blade]

We still have people arguing Zoro solos Big Mom even now

[agile stream]

.

[tranquil blade]

Those days are not over completely

[ocean sigil]

That few people

[ocean totem]

I believe so yeh

[tranquil blade]

but now literally every character has an agenda behind it so now it's not exclusively about Zoro anymore

[ocean totem]

But back then, "haki" was translated a lot differently

It used to be "vigor and drive"

"ambition"

[ocean sigil]

True that

[ocean totem]

This was originally "vigor and drive" lol

[tranquil blade]

I remember thinking this in Wano and a little after it, but do Kaido and Big Mom ever speak about Blackbeard in the manga?

[agile stream]

That would be wano if it was on earth, thats how big it it

[ocean totem]

Just saying but most of Whitebeard's crew doesn't get knocked out by it

And he gets called out for blasting at full force

i'm js

[ocean sigil]

Cant remember tbh, was there a time when they said BB is taking over WB territory or was that someone else

[tranquil blade]

I just remember picking up that they dont really talk about the guy much even though he's a new emperor

[digital magnet]

back then with no intense lightning

[hot cairn]

back then?

[agile stream]

Sengoku agenda

[ocean totem]

Yep, back when it was all invisible lol

That crack on the ship would've been lightning striking the wood today

[ocean totem]

I don't think they ever mention them yeh

[ocean sigil]

Peak time

[ocean totem]

Even when Big Mom is listing everyone she could've beaten with the giants, she doesn't put Blackbeard in there

[ocean sigil]

BB just isnt worth their time

[ocean totem]

LOL

[digital magnet]

hahahahahhahahahaha

[agile stream]

They probably do know who he is

[ocean totem]

Morj was the PirateSoftware of One Piece for a good bit of time

[hot cairn]

LOL

it was funny to see every Morj video going “this is how it can still end in failure”

[ocean sigil]

Morj was always good for some laugh

[wet condor]

Honestly, I don't remember him carrying himself this way

[digital magnet]

I'm gladd Egghead cured Morjs madness from Wano

[wet condor]

I mean he believed the raid would fail obviously

[tranquil blade]

I'm sure they knew of him it just seemed like they didn't care much about him, though Kaido and Big Mom barely recognized any rookie pirates until they started to personally affect them

[wet condor]

I really don't get why people feel are always on his neck lol

[agile stream]

Probably because big mom doesnt want to fight blackbeard since she cares about her captains son

[ocean sigil]

Wasn't that like the topic for half of his videos during Wano? I never watched him just read the talk about him

[wet condor]

For a while yeah

But like, he wasn't an asshole about it

[agile stream]

Yea but they probably knew too that hes xebecs son

[hot cairn]

he did at the end

[digital magnet]

She cares for her Ex captains son more than her own children?! You sure about that

[tranquil blade]

Yeah you'd think they would mention him more if they did know

[ocean totem]

Pfft she didn't even care about the captain

[agile stream]

Uh

[agile stream]

Maybe she did a lil idk

[wet condor]

He held onto his belief that it would fail, yeah

[ocean totem]

I don't think they knew Blackbeard was his son

[agile stream]

They probably did

[grand flower]

She ditched the captain

[ocean totem]

No one seemed to, and Xebec died before he'd ever get to tell them when it was relevant

[agile stream]

Ofc she ditched the captain, he literally died, what else would you expect to happend

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard didn't know seemingly, although Xebec may have mentioned it to him

[grand flower]

???

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard seemed to be the only actual friend Xebec had on the crew lol

[hot cairn]

I’m guessing BB knew cause he’s literally a face copy of Rocks

[digital magnet]

The only thing BM remembers about Rocks is that he was a useless guy 😢

[wet condor]

I'm trying to figure out what the convo is

[grand flower]

She’s leaving before Rocks was killed

[agile stream]

Oh yea

[tranquil blade]

I feel like there is a small chance Whitebeard knew and just decided to never mention it since his belief of "the sins of the father are not sins of the son"

[ocean totem]

Well he had his mom and all still for a bit

[wet condor]

Oh I'm positive Whitebeard knew

[agile stream]

They probably did know

[wet condor]

And for that exact reason, he never said anything yeah

[hot cairn]

sorry, I meant WB

[wet condor]

Did the WB pirates know that Ace was Roger's son?

I can't remember

[ocean totem]

I wouldn't think they would

[hot cairn]

BB has literally the same face as Rocks

[tranquil blade]

So I don't think he would hold it against him, and he would keep it a secret because he wouldn't have wanted Teach to be persecuted

[digital magnet]

no not until the war, only WB knew

[hot cairn]

anyone that saw Rocks can figure it out

[ocean totem]

Ehhh Blackbeard's not enough of a spitting image imo

[wet condor]

If he kept quiet about that, than it makes sense he'd keep quiet about BB being Rocks son

[hot cairn]

unless theyre dumb or something

[hot cairn]

cmon now lol

[ocean totem]

But also if he knew Teach was on God Valley, the island gets wiped out

He'd have thought Xebec's family died if anything

[agile stream]

I would think they would

[ocean totem]

Literally no one seems to know he's Xebec's son lol

[digital magnet]

BB is the spitting image of Rocks if he lost some fat around the face and has better teeth

[ocean totem]

Not one of the many people who fought or sailed with Xebec have pointed it out

[tranquil blade]

Kaido and Big Mom I can easily see not knowing, they didnt seem to even care about what Blackbeard was doing much, but Whitebeard I feel might've had an idea about it

[ocean totem]

Looks aren't enough, Ace also looked like Roger but no one knew he was Roger's kid until investigating hard

[wide star]

yeah WB would have to be legally blind to not notice that .. it’s literally the same face with missing teeth and different hair lol

[hot cairn]

that seems more like an Oda mistake more than anything

[digital magnet]

Imu knows

[agile stream]

Wait who knew?

Who are you talking about?

[hot cairn]

exactly Iol

[tranquil blade]

Okay I'm ngl Teach and Xebec do look a fair bit different

[wide star]

maybe WB didn’t recognize him at first but as Teach grew up and got older through the decades , WB had to have noticed he got the same exact face as Rocks lol

[ocean totem]

^ They really do barely have the same face, they've got like the same nose and lips but Blackbeard has eyebrows

[ocean totem]

Nah, people aren't noted based on appearance besides twins

[digital magnet]

didnt rocks also have the same eyebrows

[wet condor]

All Blackbeard gotta do is lose some weight lol

[wide star]

yeah

[ocean totem]

No one's going to look at Blackbeard and immediately think it's Xebec's son if Xebec's own enemies and crew didn't

[agile stream]

Wait who knew?

[ocean totem]

Xebec had no eyebrows lol

[digital magnet]

lmao

[wide star]

only difference is the tattoo on rocks face and rocks got all his teeth lol

[tranquil blade]

Ace and Roger used to look more different until Oda made Roger look less like a middle-aged alcoholic and more like "Ace but older"

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard

[wet condor]

The mention of the teeth killing me for some reason

[grand flower]

Counterpoint

[ocean totem]

I was saying if Xebec told Whitebeard about his family, the island was destroyed, odds are the kid would be too

[grand flower]

I could have used Kuina and Tashigi

Or Kyoshiro and Denjiro

[digital magnet]

dont

[grand flower]

But Jamie Presley the woman that you are

[agile stream]

Ok, WHitebeard DEFENITELY knew that teach was on god valley, maybe the others didnt, but Whitebeard defenitely knew, and shiki too

[grand flower]

I’m bouta go rewatch my name is Earl

[ocean totem]

Ace was the spitting image of Roger and not one person figured out who he was based on looks

[hot cairn]

man I miss the present ngl

[tranquil blade]

"and shiki too"

[tough igloo]

i don’t think any rocks pirates knew teach was on god valley

[agile stream]

?????

[ocean totem]

Why Shiki?

[hot cairn]

next chapter this flashback will become as long as Oden’s and it’s not even close to the end LOL

[tranquil blade]

Now why would Shiki know of all people

[grand flower]

Luffy also ends up looking like Shanks in his 40s

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard I could see, he seemed closer to Xebec than the others

[grand flower]

Zero relation

[tough igloo]

i don’t think any of them knew rocks had a son until BB made a name for himself and his face was all over the news

[tranquil blade]

Shiki did not give a shit about Xebec

[agile stream]

Hard to explain why, just trust

[ocean totem]

Looks nothing like Dragon

Actual biological father lol

[agile stream]

Trust

[agile stream]

He just would, trust

[tranquil blade]

Are kyoshiro and denjiro not the same guy

Okay

[hot cairn]

why is there so many Shiki fans

[agile stream]

Whitebeard probably knew, and shiki too

[tranquil blade]

Well he is cool but he definitely did not know about Teach

[agile stream]

Because there are

[tough igloo]

i don’t see why they would know that ..

[digital magnet]

chapter 0 hype

[grand flower]

Denjiro’s alias was Kyoshiro yeah

[tough igloo]

they were never near eris or teach on god valley

[dapper tree]

Cause he's so cool

[agile stream]

I hate chapter 0 but i am shiki fan

[grand flower]

The guy I’m thinking of is Koushiro

[digital magnet]

what

[grand flower]

Kuinas dad

[ocean totem]

They still don't seem to know

[agile stream]

Whitebeard probably knew, and shiki too

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fighting-path-shiki-golden-lion-opfp-shiki-one-piece-golden-lion-gif-12833626399665398193

[ocean totem]

'cause if they knew, Blackbeard would be so much more in the spotlight

[hot cairn]

“hype”

[hot cairn]

he’s nothing

[ocean totem]

They were willing to pull Marineford to bring Ace down, Blackbeard would be a panic problem

Especially with Kuzan helping him

[tough igloo]

i think some of them at least see the resemblance and i think Wang Zhi for sure knows plus him taking over hachinosu and the name of his ship Saber of Xebec , i think by now they all know

[urban lodge]

This flashback made Shiki a real character so I kinda get it now

[grand flower]

Imu would probably send holy knights or an Elder

[agile stream]

Whitebeard probably knew, and shiki too

[digital magnet]

wang zhi could potentially knew as well because BB confronted him

[tough igloo]

yeah he has to know imo

[ocean totem]

Nah, he didn't do that even after Xebec raided Mariejois

[tough igloo]

i think rocky port incident he found out

[grand flower]

Then got slimed

[agile stream]

Oh yea i forgot about captain john whang zi and silver axe

[ocean totem]

Took him interrupting a Celestial Dragon event before Imu decided to step in

[agile stream]

Whitebeard probably knew, and shiki too

[digital magnet]

yeah

[tough igloo]

i think Garp also knows

[ocean totem]

Let's forget shiki

[digital magnet]

nah garp is sometimes a dum dum

[agile stream]

"And shiki too"

[tranquil blade]

Xebec had to force Imu to show up

[urban lodge]

Oda please we need a Wang Zhi reaction next chapter

[tough igloo]

lmao from the grave ?

what’s the chances they left him alive lol

[agile stream]

When i say "And shiki too" its a joke btw lol

[agile stream]

Nuh uh he probably died in a war or summing

When i say "And shiki too" its a joke btw lol

[agile stream]

And shiki also had to

[tough igloo]

if he had a DF they probably killed him and took that like WB & Absalom lol

[tranquil blade]

Shiki is alive he's just not doing anything

He's retired

[trim lily]

wang zhi laughing as he overlooks hachinosu from his new throne

[ocean totem]

Shiki may actually just be dead now

[distant vine]

Watch Strong World

[tough igloo]

yeah i think by now he knows since Teach is famous , i don think he always knew though

[agile stream]

Yea

[distant vine]

I used to get upset about Shiki

Until I watched Strong World

[agile stream]

Shiki also used to

[distant vine]

Yeah it doesnt fit but I got over that

[agile stream]

And shiki too

[keen quiver]

I just don't think he's very relevant

[distant vine]

Narratively it hits

[trim lily]

yeah shiki doesn’t have much point in the present day but it would be fun to have him back

[agile stream]

Im overusing this shiki joke

[digital magnet]

He might be just retired and chilling on some random sky island

[agile stream]

HE IS

[tough igloo]

i feel like now ANY rocks pirates has to know that Teach is rocks son since he famous now …

Same Face , Same Island , named ship after Xebec

[agile stream]

Ok im not even joking rn but imo shiki is very relevant

[keen quiver]

Garp probably figured out teach was xebec's kid at marineford

[trim lily]

he’s still working on that 20 22 year plan

[agile stream]

Nah garp and roger probably knew about that since god valley

[keen quiver]

If not a bit later

Whitebeard had to the know the moment he saw teach again

[hot cairn]

do you guys think the burn scar man could be a previous Rocks pirate?

[tough igloo]

yeah that make sense, MF is where he basically came out and let the world know who he was since before that he was laying low on WB ship

[digital magnet]

he realized he is too old for that shit

[agile stream]

I think its shamrock

[tranquil blade]

I mean I guess but they still wouldn't know for sure and barely any Rocks pirates are still alive

[trim lily]

or a roger pirate…

[urban lodge]

Burn scar is Bluejam

[trim lily]

sunbell*

[agile stream]

Nah garp and roger probably knew about that since god valley

[ocean totem]

Yeh, Strong World is non canon but Oda made the story and definitely ended Shiki's manga run with it

[hot cairn]

nahh

[grand flower]

Hachinosu parallel: he’ll reveal Davy is still alive

ZEHAHAHHAHA

[agile stream]

I refuse to believe burn scar man isnt shamrock

[hot cairn]

is this your real guess or a bit

[hot cairn]

why?

[agile stream]

I refuse to be in a world where burn scar man isnt shamrock

[agile stream]

Its hard to explain that theory but i think the burn scar man is shamrock

[trim lily]

shamrock’s iconic burn scar

[grand flower]

Why would people recognize him as burned by fire but not identical to shanks or a red hair like shanks

[hot cairn]

it is someone that’s always on sea so

[ocean totem]

Why would it be Shamrock?

He doesn't ride on ships

[urban lodge]

It's like 90% a meme but it's not impossible... He was last seen in the burning grey terminal and was never confirmed to be dead

[agile stream]

Maybe at the moments he acts like the burn scar man he has a mask on

[tranquil blade]

Burn scar man is so nebulous to me like it really could be almost anyone

[ocean totem]

And has no reason to hide the poneglyph

[urban lodge]

It's my new favorite crack theory

[grand flower]

But they can see his body?

[tranquil blade]

It feels like it's gonna be a new character

[agile stream]

Mask and hood

[digital magnet]

stop trolling ayors

[hot cairn]

where is his scar and black ship? The burn scar man is also always on the sea

[trim lily]

it genuinely does line up for sunbell, he has visible flame markings, he’s a fishman so he can make whirlpools and have gotten the poneglpyh from fmi, he’s a roger pirate so he has knowledge of the poneglyphs

[hot cairn]

mmm

[agile stream]

Im NOT trolling

I just think burn scar man is shamrock ok?

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah Luffy also ran into a whirlpool right after leaving dawn island... The island where Bluejam was last seen

[trim lily]

lmao

[agile stream]

Oh yea dam

[hot cairn]

it’s my most exciting mystery rn, I want to know who it is

[hot cairn]

it might as well be

Oda has a lot of freeway with it

[tough igloo]

when do you think the gorosei & imu found out ? i don’t think they always knew

[agile stream]

I rlly think its shamrock

Bro people always disagree with my one piece theories 😭

[digital magnet]

I mean we also have to add the fact that Oda also likes to introduce new characters.. it could be just someone we never heard off because Oda wants to introuce us to him still...

[keen quiver]

2df thing

[hot cairn]

it does line up

[hot cairn]

you haven’t even said the theory you just say it’s shamrock

[tranquil blade]

Probably right after Marineford

[agile stream]

Nah i think it isnt sunbell, i do think sunbell will be very relevant later on but not as the burn scar man

[tranquil blade]

The two devil fruit thing probably is what did it

[agile stream]

Ok

[grand flower]

It’s this guy

AKA

Louis Arnot

[wide star]

right here …. the chapter after this we see Imu holding Teach Luffy Vivi Shirahoshi pictures

[trim lily]

you have much more faith in sunbell then i do

[keen quiver]

Its likely a Davy Jones thing

[tranquil blade]

Either Davy Jones had two fruits or the two fruits cause the gorosei to look into Blackbeard's past and they found who his father was

[trim lily]

i imagine the gorosei launched a proper investigation into BB after marineford

[agile stream]

Wait but they executed ace for being rogers son but not blackbeard for being rocks son?

[icy wolf]

i dont think so

[dense rapids]

Either gonna end up being the easiest answer (Gaban) or someone completely unexpected

[trim lily]

they don’t have blackbeard captured

[digital magnet]

yeah in retrospect Imu had to know since BB got famous, he slashed his poster. He knows he is a Davy

[grand flower]

Ace was handed to them

[agile stream]

I also mean the other times im stating a theory

[keen quiver]

Literally nothing else it could be

[icy wolf]

idk if his abnormalities are related to the davy clan because rocks just seemed like a normal guy

[keen quiver]

💀

[icy wolf]

something has to be physically abnormal about blackbeards body

[keen quiver]

That's because rocks wasn't Davy jones

Teach is

He's the modern day Davy jones

[tough igloo]

yeah I think it was this meeting as well.. in the very next chapter Oda has this panel.. i don’t think it’s a coincidence

[agile stream]

Yea ik but like if they executed ace for being rogers son, why wouldnt they capture blackbeard for being rocks son, so the WG defenitely didnt know teach is xebecs son

[icy wolf]

imu called rocks davy though

[tranquil blade]

The first one would mean Imu immediately knew after Marineford, and the 2nd one would be the gorosei finding out and telling Imu

[grand flower]

Cause he was with Whitebeard the whole time

[agile stream]

I used to think imu is davy jones 😭

[grand flower]

Then he became strong enough to just be him

[keen quiver]

He calls anyone that can fit the archetype of what he knows by their name

[agile stream]

Yea, thats what i mean, they dont know blackbeard is xebecs son

[digital magnet]

joyboy, davy jones and poseidon

[keen quiver]

Clearly teach is supposed to be davy

[icy wolf]

blackbeard isnt davy jones reincarnated bruh

hes just from the clan

[agile stream]

Reincarnation

[agile stream]

He is

[grand flower]

I think they didn’t know but it’s not because of this

[icy wolf]

hes a descendant

[grand flower]

They didn’t go after Ace for the same reason

[dapper tree]

no reincarnation

[agile stream]

Alr

[icy wolf]

literally based off what

[agile stream]

And what about after he left whitebeard?

[icy wolf]

unless its like some poseidon shit where every 800 years theres a dude with a fucked up body

[agile stream]

See they didnt know

[keen quiver]

For the love of god

[grand flower]

Reincarnation is a major part of eastern religions and cultures

[keen quiver]

Reread

[icy wolf]

what

[grand flower]

I wouldn’t knock it being in the story

[grand flower]

He was that nigga

[icy wolf]

what is this panel meant to show me

[tough igloo]

yeah i think shanks/ shamrock (leaning more towards shanks cause he’s always tied to Teach ) told them about Teach lineage

[agile stream]

Alr

[keen quiver]

If you cant see it I can't help you

[icy wolf]

i dont see anything that says oh yeah my son teach is the reincarnation of davy jones

good argument

[grand flower]

Ya

[agile stream]

I think shamrock

[keen quiver]

Yeah simply a reading comp issue

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard within like 6 months off of Whitebeard's ship becomes the 3rd biggest pirate on the seas (not counting warlords) so by the time the WG would have found out he would've been too strong

[keen quiver]

Everything also happened quickly

[agile stream]

I used to think imu is davy jones 😭

[tough igloo]

yep that’s why he made sure to wait til he got the DF power he needed first so he wouldn’t be too early (unlike his pops)

[keen quiver]

Yeah rocks issue was not securing the fruits he needed

[tranquil blade]

The guy leaves Whitebeard, within a few weeks, months at most fights and beats Ace, breaks into Impel Down like a week later and goes to Marineford

It all happened way too quickly for them to do anything

[keen quiver]

They had their hands busy with ace

They dint have time to do a proper background check sadly

[tough igloo]

do you think he was secretly recruiting his OG crew while on WB ship or he did all that after he left WB ship

[agile stream]

Yea

[ocean totem]

There was a bit more time between these things

[keen quiver]

I think teach just has that charisma

[agile stream]

Secretly recruiting his OG crew

[tough igloo]

that’s even more interesting

[keen quiver]

People forget shiryu just liked teach off the bat

[agile stream]

I think that, i dont think others agree tho

[icy wolf]

inheriting will isnt becoming the person

[tough igloo]

if he secretly fought shanks while on WB crew and secretly recruited his crew while on WB ship lol

[icy wolf]

will isnt a physical thing its spiritual

[agile stream]

Ya but i still feel like the 2 united by fate

[tranquil blade]

Sure, but it still was not a very long period of time all things considered

[icy wolf]

marco mentioned blackbeards body is odd

thats what gives him the weird sleeping stuff and 2 devilfruits

[keen quiver]

Yes a completely random mutation

[ocean totem]

Yeh, just a few months

[keen quiver]

That has nothing to do with his Davy lineage

Makes zero sense

[agile stream]

Ya but i still feel like the 2 united by fate

[tranquil blade]

and I mean, if they made him a warlord without knowing, there's no way they were gonna find out before it was way too late

[keen quiver]

Occam's razor its directly linked to Davy jones

[agile stream]

Maybe it does

[tranquil blade]

He might have honestly

At least Lafitte I could see that being the case

[keen quiver]

But all of teach's people believe in fate

In some way or form

[agile stream]

And van augur and burgess

[keen quiver]

Van augur is just the most vocal about it

Also shiryu is like 2nd ship commander so teach clearly trusts him

But laffite is like chief of staff

[tough igloo]

they got Kuzan talking about fate in punk hazard lol

[icy wolf]

lafitte is the true right hand to blackbeard

[agile stream]

But i think blackbeard and shiryu united by fate, yes they met in impel down and shiryu instantly liked him but i think the 2 met by fate

[icy wolf]

shiryuu sucks

[tough igloo]

i don’t think teach cares about any of those level 6 prisoners

[agile stream]

Shiryu is to blackbeard like what captain john was to xebec

[keen quiver]

Shiryu is loyal and doesnt take shit so i like him

He had to correct burgess

They call him commodore

Not teach anymore

[icy wolf]

i dont even remember john and xebec ever interacting

[tranquil blade]

Yeah he had no idea about Shiryu, that was pure luck on Blackbeard's part

[agile stream]

Theory: captain john was the vice captain

[tranquil blade]

I dont think the Rocks pirates had a vice captain

[agile stream]

Ik but i think it was fate that they met, yk like how luffy and zoro met by fate, roger and rayleigh met by fate, i think shiryu and blackbeard met by fate too in impel down

It was fate

[tranquil blade]

Like if Harald joined I could easily have see him filling that spot but because he didnt I dont think anyone was

[keen quiver]

They are way more organized than we think

[tranquil blade]

Yeah I know they're supposed to be somewhat similar to the Rocks crew but they do feel quite a bit different from them too

[keen quiver]

Teach has people that actually want to work with him

[agile stream]

Ik but i think it was fate that they met, yk like how luffy and zoro met by fate, roger and rayleigh met by fate, i think shiryu and blackbeard met by fate too in impel down

[keen quiver]

Is the main difference

😭

[agile stream]

Yea

[keen quiver]

They are cutthroat sobs

[mild pulsar]

I forgot what happened after this

[keen quiver]

But they definitely believe in teach in their own way

[mild pulsar]

They invaded baltigoright?

Thatsvwhy everyones in kamabakkankingdom

[tough igloo]

the true #2 of the BBP lol we ain’t never seen Teach like this with any other crew member 😂

[keen quiver]

That name is crazy

[agile stream]

No the WG found the location i think, not sure

[keen quiver]

People forget teach has charisma

Like that entire jaya speech or shit like this slips from the mind

He literally only slimes you if its part of the plan

[agile stream]

Ik but i think it was fate that they met, yk like how luffy and zoro met by fate, roger and rayleigh met by fate, i think shiryu and blackbeard met by fate too in impel down

[keen quiver]

Or you have a fruit he wants

[tranquil blade]

Well unless he's enslaving you

Which he has done to people

[keen quiver]

We do a little trolling

Its all good

[tough igloo]

lmao i’m weak

[agile stream]

Ik but i think it was fate that they met, yk like how luffy and zoro met by fate, roger and rayleigh met by fate, i think shiryu and blackbeard met by fate too in impel down

[frigid gulch]

Charisma..

[keen quiver]

Sadly harald wasn't like that

[frigid gulch]

It’s funny to see BB’s face imposed on a muscular body

[urban lodge]

It's cursed

[keen quiver]

Its peak

Regardless

[frigid gulch]

Prob if Oda changed the nose a bit

[keen quiver]

He won't

😭

[wraith mantle]

would have been nice for roger and rocks to have a scene like this

[frigid gulch]

But it’s not bad imo

[fallen meteor]

i feel rocks stole the face

now blackbeard looks weird

[keen quiver]

They kinda did

[fallen meteor]

i just see rocks on a fat body

[tough igloo]

facts some of the best in the series … always giving luffy words of encouragement , even when Luffy is pissed lol

[frigid gulch]

I thought it’d happen

[wraith mantle]

true lowkey kinda

[frigid gulch]

Rocks is BB with porcupine hair

[frigid gulch]

[ocean totem]

Roger for real pulled up and said shut up and give us a drink shakky likes us

[frigid gulch]

Roger dodging the smoke by bringing up the rules

[keen quiver]

He just like that sometimes, there was no reason to stop luffy. And he wanted to let him know he knew luffy was right about skypiea

[urban lodge]

Kinda criminal how little of their relationship we got

[tranquil blade]

Roger and Xebec definitely beefed but it doesn't seem like they hated each other

Luffy really does hate Blackbeard tho lol

[frigid gulch]

I got Luffy Kid vibes

[latent hamlet]

they fight for gold and glory

and no greater glory than beating each other

[tranquil blade]

Well Xebec really is more like Kidd if we're gonna be honest but

[latent hamlet]

[latent hamlet]

thats suggesting kidd upscale

[keen quiver]

Kidd has nowhere near that motion

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think they had much of a rivalry

[tranquil blade]

Well that's because he's unlucky

[frigid gulch]

Contrast it to how Oda presented Roger and Garp

[agile stream]

He hates akainu more

[frigid gulch]

That’s a proper one

[agile stream]

Well shiki is more like kidd so...

[tranquil blade]

I don't think that's true

[agile stream]

Defenitely is

[tranquil blade]

I feel he blames Blackbeard more than Akainu for Ace's death

[keen quiver]

Tbh koby and luffy beef is one sided

As hell

[agile stream]

Well i think in the future he will hate blackbeard more

[keen quiver]

😭

[agile stream]

I think he thinks it equally

But akainu is the one that killed him

[keen quiver]

This brother doing nothing

[agile stream]

Yea

[urban lodge]

It's not really beef

He loves Luffy

He just doesn't think a pirate should have control over the fate of the world

[agile stream]

Shiki is more like kidd

[frigid gulch]

The way Luffy has been glazing Shanks, I almost wanna see the reaction to BB screwing him over

[keen quiver]

But the Satan government should

😭

Stupid ass koby

[urban lodge]

Well

Not like he knows

[latent hamlet]

tbf, who says koby is supporting the government

[icy wolf]

koby might push luffy to low diff

[latent hamlet]

he's literally in a faction of marines that IGNORE government orders

[ruby moat]

I’m glad I’m able to properly read and comprehend the manga without letting my agenda blind me from what’s happening

[tranquil blade]

!shanks3

Fuck

[urban lodge]

Yeah and he's definitely not gonna support them when the time comes

[grand flower]

He’s got a bunch in common with both

[tranquil blade]

!shanks2

[tropic nova]

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[analog sky]

If he knew what the WG actually had goin on he'd side with him. also no way guy tolerates celestial dragons just like garp

[keen quiver]

Mf bartsky so pressed about other takes he still on his block streak

[grand flower]

Kid’s first bounty post-TS contains the same Davy Jones pun that Blackbeards first bounty did

[icy wolf]

i wonder who koby will fight in final war

[fallen meteor]

me

[keen quiver]

At this point zero clue

[analog sky]

Akainu

[agile stream]

Yea but xebec is more like a, idk rlly, uh

[analog sky]

He gotta get his getback

😂

[urban lodge]

I think he fights a gorosei

[icy wolf]

isnt kuzan more fitting

[agile stream]

I think akainu will die before final war

[icy wolf]

if its a getback

[urban lodge]

Kuzan will be before

[grand flower]

Shamrock maybe. Future of the Navy vs future of the holy knights while Garp fights Garling

[analog sky]

Oh yeah Kuzan too

[analog sky]

Fasho

[tranquil blade]

Koby could fight Akainu to decide how the future of the Marines is gonna be

[icy wolf]

garp not making it to final war bro

[keen quiver]

Oda is going to need to give me more to believe shamrock doesn't turn koby into sashimi

Instantly

[icy wolf]

yea i like koby vs akainu matchup

[agile stream]

I take that back, garp isnt making it to final war

[agile stream]

Akainu isnt making it to final war either

[ruby moat]

If akainu makes it he’ll be one of the ones to lose early

[icy wolf]

i beg to differ

[agile stream]

If he DOES make it, i dont think he will lose early, but i dont think he will make it

[ruby moat]

He needs to be moved aside for more important characters

[icy wolf]

im not really an admiral guy but akainu will definitely be significant

[agile stream]

I do think he will be very very important in the story later on, but i dont think he will make it to final war

[urban lodge]

I really want to see more of Sword, they're so cool

[agile stream]

Same i think so too

[icy wolf]

i mean we dont got much time until the final war

[agile stream]

I think we do

We have a lot more until final war

Akainu defenitely will be significant but

[keen quiver]

Think oda made it clear who the most important folks were

[agile stream]

He aint making it to final war

[icy wolf]

the holy land is already in a sea of flames

nah akainu has to bruh he hasnt done shit

its like if dragon died before final war

or garling or shamrock

none of these characters have really done much

[grand flower]

RN, yeah but Koby has the fastest growth rate in the series

[icy wolf]

never heard this take before

i have no idea how strong koby is meant to be

[ruby moat]

Answer: pretty strong

[grand flower]

Koby destroying pizzaros arm is comparable to Luffy folding that town in Dressrosa in half

[agile stream]

I think akainu will be very significant but i dont think hes making it to final war

[grand flower]

It took Luffy, who is a prodigy, 12 years to get to that point

Koby, who has no talent, got there in 2

[icy wolf]

isnt the final war like already starting bro

[agile stream]

No

[urban lodge]

No

[grand flower]

Easty is right

[agile stream]

We have a lot more left to coaver

[tranquil blade]

In a sense yes

[grand flower]

Vegapunk’s speech is all about how the final war is already ongoing

[icy wolf]

holy land is on fire and we had the void century stuff leaked to the world and the gorosei pulled up and destroyed egghead how are we not extremely close to starting

[grand flower]

It’s the scramble for the one piece

[icy wolf]

yeah

[grand flower]

All sides are moving

[icy wolf]

we are in the end game rn

[tranquil blade]

but the main battle or final battle of the war has not began

[agile stream]

We are NOT close to starting

[agile stream]

No

[cunning jacinth]

more like that the "final war" has been ongoing for 800 years now

[tranquil blade]

but the war has started in a sense

[agile stream]

We are so far away from starting

[urban lodge]

Imu is getting the giants in preparation for the war

[grand flower]

Wars consist of multiple battles

[agile stream]

...

[grand flower]

This is the most accurate war we’ve had lol

[icy wolf]

bro how

[agile stream]

A lot is left to do bro

[tranquil blade]

I am aware of such, the war has started but the final battle is not here yet

[sweet anvil]

Great point but i don’t think this is meant to be a testament to how hardworking koby is but it’s partially because the plot kinda demands he’s that strong for what he’s meant to do as a character

[tranquil blade]

That's why this is the final saga

[agile stream]

I can defenitely see yall dont agree with my vision of one piece 💔

[agile stream]

Yea but we still have much more left to coaver

[grand flower]

That’s absolutely correct

[icy wolf]

joyboy returned, void century leaked, the gorosei nuked egghead, the holyknights are being mobilised, the holy land is on fire, it was announced the fate of the world depends on who gets the one piece to the entire world

[tranquil blade]

The war has started at least since Wano ended, and the overall struggle against the WG has been going on for centuries

[grand flower]

Well everything is demanded by plot

[agile stream]

Yea but we still have much more left to coaver

[grand flower]

Luffy is a prodigy because the plot made him so

[icy wolf]

like what

all we got is like the man marked by flames right

[agile stream]

So much stuff

[agile stream]

Exactly

[agile stream]

And akainu backstory

And more

[icy wolf]

what bruh

why would we be getting akainu backstory anytime soon

[agile stream]

Like elbaph, winner island, sphinx, hachinosu, lodestar, man marked by flames, akainu backstory, shanks and mihawk reunion, fingerland family backstory.

[icy wolf]

we do not need to go to all of these places bro

we might go to 1 or 2 of them

[sweet anvil]

And Luffy grows so fast because he’s a prodigy + training , my point is I don’t necessarily think that kobys growth is partially due to convenience

[agile stream]

I can see you dont agree with my vision for one piece 💔

[cunning jacinth]

and Urouge, and Enel, and Edward Weevil, and uhhhh

[agile stream]

Oh yeee

[agile stream]

Them too

[agile stream]

I think enel will be relevant in elbaph

[distant vine]

I keep thinking Urouge might be cooked but I would have said similar things for Bonney Pre Egghead

[cunning jacinth]

i thought so too at first but now who knows

[sweet anvil]

Btw can we really say the final war has officially started

[distant vine]

So Im sure Oda will give him quite a bit

[agile stream]

Why?

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/41waysu/status/1990053344619241939?s=46

늘 (@41waysU)

X · Nov 16, 2025, 1:44 PM

[sweet anvil]

I think this is the prelude to the final war kinda the build up

[odd rune]

Nah Bonney was always gonna be relevant

[sweet anvil]

Post elbaf will be like the calm before the storm

[urban lodge]

If you say it has already started you have to say it has always been happening

[sweet anvil]

Then everything crazy happens

[agile stream]

No it wont

[odd rune]

When we found out that she was Kuma's daughter like years and years and years and years and years ago

[formal wagon]

the storm = vira

[urban lodge]

In the sense that vegapunk said that the war never ended

[odd rune]

And also mariejois

[icy wolf]

brook gunko stuff
man marked by flames
shanks backstory
dragon backstory
urouge
where sengoku going
garp hachinosu
lodestar
laughtale
enel?
where blackbeard is going
where shanks is going
whats happening at the holy land

[agile stream]

@sweet anvil I think before the final war we will have one more war

[distant vine]

It hasnt, considering Gunko talks of a war in the future. If it was already happening she would have said current war

[sweet anvil]

What

[icy wolf]

i think this is all the stuff we need to see sooner or later

[agile stream]

Yea

[formal wagon]

the penultimate war 🔥 🔥 #aura

[icy wolf]

before final war

[latent hamlet]

u know
we really did get a fucking loki->harald->shakky->rocks->probably back to harald and loki flashback
before urouge even got his own story segment post timeskip

[hazy echo]

He has the Birukan thing going on so it’ll most likely come up within the upcoming years

[distant vine]

That flew past my head initially

[latent hamlet]

even hawkins got to do stuff despite being just another minion

[agile stream]

I think before the final war we will have one more war

[formal wagon]

Post final war war

[hazy echo]

Urouge next arc

[odd rune]

Yeah that's fair

It did seem a big random

[formal wagon]

penultimate means the second to last

[odd rune]

Like when we found out in the series I was like "oh it actually happened"

[latent hamlet]

at this point we could have luffy and bb vs imu before urouge

[agile stream]

Yea

[sweet anvil]

A lot of this can happen in the final war I don’t think the final war will necessarily be all in one place it’ll be a series of battles clashes and interactions across the new world and mariejois

[icy wolf]

will we get to laughtale within the next 4 years guys

[hazy echo]

What if BB pulled up to Elbaf

[agile stream]

I think penultimate war will be caused by edward weevil being captured

[latent hamlet]

not unrealistic

[agile stream]

No

[formal wagon]

would be fire, im a huge weevil fan

[sweet anvil]

I don’t think bb and luffy will meet until their final fight

[cunning jacinth]

i still kinda hope that Elbaf is connected to Skypiea and the Straw Hats will literally return to the island itself

[agile stream]

W

[agile stream]

I have a theory that law and weevil were like brothers just like luffy and ace were

[agile stream]

Same

[agile stream]

I agree

[formal wagon]

that's interesting, what time frame would they have known eachother?

also, there were a lot of theories about franky and queen having known eachother since theres a lot of connection between both of them and M.A.D.S.

sorry i mean franky and weevil

[agile stream]

you know how roger gave ace to garp, well i think weevil really is whitebeards son and whitebeard gave weevil to sengoku so that sengoku can take care of weevil for whitebeard just like how garp did with ace for roger, and sengoku is like laws grandfather trough corazon. so if we look at the paralels

Roger = whitebeard
Garp = sengoku
Ace = weevil
Law = luffy

And also because the first war happend when luffy wanted to save his brother ace, and i think the penultimate war will happend in the island sphinx, and i think before sphinx but after elbaph, luffy will reunite with law on winner island, for law to find out his brother figure weevil is captured on sphinx by blackbeard so luffy and law will go to sphinx to save weevil, and garp and sengoku and koby and helmeppo would also be there and maybe smoker too and maybe that war is when shiki returns

Ik whitebeard is someone who wants family so bad, and gave his son to a marine, but whitebeard and sengoku have the same relationship as roger and garp, and even tho he wants family, he gave his only biological son to a marine, why?

Whitebeard doesnt believe in forced crew join, like he does care about his son weevil, but he knows that if weevil is born, he would have been forced to join his crew since hes his son, unlike the rest of the crew who willingly joined whitebeards crew and became his family, weevil on the other hand was already family with whitebeard, he wanted weevil to have a choice, he told sengoku to let him go to whitebeard whenever he wants, btu he wanted weevil to have a CHOICE if he wants to join whitebeard or not

I think weevil came to stussy later, cause sengoku met with stussy to talk about weevil, and then they agreed that sengoku raises weevil.

[sweet anvil]

I think you’re reaching here

Whitebeard and sengoku for sure didn’t have the kind of relationship as garp and sengoku

Also wouldn’t stussy have been raising weevil

[agile stream]

And also because the first war happend when luffy wanted to save his brother ace, and i think the penultimate war will happend in the island sphinx, and i think before sphinx but after elbaph, luffy will reunite with law on winner island, for law to find out his brother figure weevil is captured on sphinx by blackbeard so luffy and law will go to sphinx to save weevil, and garp and sengoku and koby and helmeppo would also be there and maybe smoker too and maybe that war is when shiki returns

[agile stream]

I mean whitebeard and sengoku same relationship as garp and roger

[sweet anvil]

Yeah I know what you’re trying to say

My point is they weren’t like that

[agile stream]

I think weevil came to stussy later, cause sengoku met with stussy to talk about weevil, and then they agreed that sengoku raises weevil

[agile stream]

I think they were

[sweet anvil]

One thing

Whitebeard the guy who wanted a family so bad

Gave his blood related son to sengoku of the marines

Who he knows to be corrupt

[agile stream]

Listen

[sweet anvil]

Also sengoku was fine with the idea of killing ace mainly due to his relationship as Roger’s son

Why would he take in the son of a pirate just as notorious

[icy wolf]

does anyone have an idea what sengoku is doing rn

[sweet anvil]

Eating rice crackers

Being a fraud

[agile stream]

Whitebeard doesnt believe in forced crew join, like he does care about his son weevil, but he knows that if weevil is born, he would have been forced to join his crew since hes his son, unlike the rest of the crew who willingly joined whitebeards crew and became his family, weevil on the other hand was already family with whitebeard, he wanted weevil to have a choice, he told sengoku to let him go to whitebeard whenever he wants, btu he wanted weevil to have a CHOICE if he wants to join whitebeard or not