also-manga

[sage temple]

Then pipe down

[strong wadi]

Yeah, they get to hold off holy knights

[tough igloo]

S Bear will eventually help the Revs due to Bonney

[sage temple]

Sheep

[tough igloo]

other seraphims will help Teach

[ashen perch]

Yea that works

[sage temple]

[hasty sable]

Shamrock is an utterly pointless addition if he loses to Loki imo

But then he might be anyway lol

[sage temple]

How?

[trim lily]

yeah shamrock vs loki doesn’t seem super interesting

[hasty sable]

I don’t think you introduce the evil twin brother of the main character’s mentor to lose to a newly introduced side character (respectfully)

[strong wadi]

Loki gets to compare Shanks and Shamrock as he fights him EoS, and how they're different. Shanks has to fight Garling instead, I don't make the rules

[sage temple]

Shamrock still explains some of the questions we've had about the Holy Knights anyways

[wide star]

[sage temple]

Shamrock was also introduced newly

[hasty sable]

Shanks vs Shamrock doesn’t sound that cool either

Shamrock might be lame guys

[trim lily]

give me shamrock vs garlic or give me death

[ashen perch]

Shamrock's destiny is redemption so I feel he's not gonna have a proper conclusive fight

[hasty sable]

I don’t know about that

[trim lily]

shanks can either die to blackbeard or idk be moral support elsewhere

[fallen meteor]

shamrock was introduced to give shanks a new arm

[sage temple]

Oda likely set up a fight with Loki for a good reason

[somber flare]

Shamrock won't be put up against Shanks because he would get embarassed and he needs to be somewhat menacing

[hasty sable]

Though I think Shamrock having more agency than “evil Shanks doomed to lose a fight” would be better

[strong wadi]

Ah yes, Oda made Law just for this

[hasty sable]

I could not be fucked to read a Loki vs Shamrock fight ngl

[ashen perch]

Only the baby raised by Garling turned out to be all wrong, I can see It already

[trim lily]

shamrock fighting and losing to loki just doesn’t seem interesting narratively

[hasty sable]

I like Loki but not that much lol

[fallen meteor]

it all makes sense

[wide star]

Oda has Shmarock fight Loki , it goes extreme diff and we see in the flashback that Shanks one shot Loki .. to show that Shamrock may look like Shanks but he’s not HIM 😂

[strong wadi]

I don't think you can form a final opinion on Loki until the end of this arc

[trim lily]

like i guess shamrock beat him up a bit but that’s it

that’s as far as their connection or beef goes

[somber flare]

We aren't there yet so I don't really know how you could have a real opinion on that

[sage temple]

Why would it have to though it's not like the fight needs to be with sworn rivals

[strong wadi]

You say that until we learn shamrock/garling/both were at harald's death

[hasty sable]

Shamrock only being around to lose a fight… like if he’s not there there to comment on Shanks then why?

[strong wadi]

(although prob not shamrock)

[sage temple]

Shamrock maybe

[hasty sable]

Idk there are definitely very interesting things you could do with Garling and Shamrock but not that lol

[trim lily]

i’d rather it be something more interesting with shamrock

[sage temple]

We do see the same Haki burst at the castle for when a Holy Knight or Gorosei gets mind controlled

[trim lily]

i like him and his potential

[fallen meteor]

shanks
shamrock
rocks
if you dont see the pattern...

[fallen meteor]

i dont too

oh the ...is typing is back

[sage temple]

The last fight we had with the captain of the Holy Knights (Garling) wasn't interesting either

[hoary steppe]

What

[hasty sable]

You ever think about how Oda gave Shanks Sanji’s arc

[trim lily]

what fight

[sage temple]

Rocks vs Garling

[trim lily]

yeah that stunk lol

[wide star]

does that even count as a fight lol

[sage temple]

Yeah and I don't see why Loki couldN'T do the same with Shamrock

[somber flare]

That's cuz you can't put someone too strong against a HK or else they'll look like a bum

[sage temple]

Kindof

More of an encounter

[wide star]

that’s why they’re Rev Army victims/final matchups

[trim lily]

man poor knights

people treating them like vice admirals now

i have some hope they’ll get to do one last thing next chapter

[wide star]

lol they went from “ stronger than admirals/yonkos” to “ they’re tobi roppo level “

[hoary steppe]

So low, they’re not even SH crew future match up 😭

[sage temple]

I expect Loki to go against Imu in an actual fight than Shamrock

[strong wadi]

some of them will be, dont worry

[ornate tartan]

that’s pushing it

[hoary steppe]

But not at final war

[trim lily]

either we figure out a real counter to the regen or the strawhats are all getting acoc

[hoary steppe]

[somber flare]

I mean what else could the other straw hats possibly be doing

[strong wadi]

yes, final war

[hoary steppe]

WHAT

Who

[fallen meteor]

i think its less about just how strong they are and more about how tricky their power is
the ones with less fuckery on their powers will be stronger - like shamrock and his canine missiles

[ornate tartan]

Jinbe bout to get up and solo somebody😭😭

[somber flare]

unless they fight like vice admirals or something

[ornate tartan]

plz beat the fire fighter allegations goat

[strong wadi]

Franky, usopp, brook, jinbe, nami

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

Fire fighter is sending me

[hoary steppe]

They gonna fight bb pirate

[sage temple]

I wish

[urban lodge]

Bro can't even solo his thoughts

[steel stirrup]

Fire Fighter LMAOOOO

[strong wadi]

Nah

[trim lily]

it doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive

both can happen

[sage temple]

Sanji stole Jinbe's thunder completely

[urban lodge]

Fire fighter and philosopher of the straw hats

[strong wadi]

if we do get this bb survives laughtale shit, his crew aint comin' with

[steel stirrup]

Hin and Raizo no diffing every flame

[ornate tartan]

bro i’m telling u

[hoary steppe]

Revs vs HK

Pirats vs pirates

Imu vs luffy, bb , shirahoshi 🗣️

[ornate tartan]

Jinbe needs to do something

believe

he’s a warlord

[trim lily]

i hope everyone is excited for lindbergh vs sommers

[somber flare]

Jinbe is just gonna be sitting in the water waiting for a devil fruit user to fall in

[steel stirrup]

Nigga even Nami is wondering wtf is going on

[sage temple]

Imu vs Luffy, Loki, and BB

BB is a maybe

[hoary steppe]

Oh yeah

I forgot loki

[ornate tartan]

I thought we were good with u here😂

[sage temple]

But we already see Luffy and Loki looking figures on the mural fighting Imu

[wide star]

Jinbei thunder was stolen the minute he decided to join the straw hats … Loki please be smart lol

[hoary steppe]

Who the hell will he fight

[steel stirrup]

Hell nah

[sage temple]

Yeah your brain hasn't developed to this level yet

[ornate tartan]

bro Jinbe has feats on Big Mom

wait till dat nga get up😂

[hoary steppe]

BRO

[sage temple]

Loki is uncomprehendable for people like you

[hoary steppe]

😭

[steel stirrup]

That makes ts worse😭😭

[somber flare]

Nah cuz Jinbe gets less disrespect than Sanji does tbh

[wide star]

that’s before straw hats lol sadly he got the straw hat nerf

[hoary steppe]

Loki fighting gorosie dw

[ornate tartan]

bruh i’m about to purchase jinbe stocks

[wide star]

now if he fought big mom he’d get one shot lol

[ornate tartan]

ngas talking CRAZY

[strong wadi]

Loki joining would be the worst thing for him, so don't worry, he wont

[wide star]

all because he joined the straw hats

[sage temple]

Loki fights Imu

[steel stirrup]

😭

[ornate tartan]

😭😭

[sage temple]

[steel stirrup]

Gotta double down now aint it

[hoary steppe]

Perhaps

[wide star]

when you join the straw hats you automatically have to become weaker than 3 people .. so be careful lol

[strong wadi]

Damn apparently he's fighting multiple figarlands and Imu, bro is stronger than EoS Luffy

[frozen aspen]

you are saying this as we haven't seen law and kidd get their asses handed to them as soon as luffy left

[leaden rivet]

Jinbei joining the crew was just so unnecessary

[sage temple]

Sanji will use the Crewmate Debuff Debuff No Mi on any strong strawhat

😭

[leaden rivet]

And he doesn’t even fit with the others anyway

Loki would be the same

[hoary steppe]

EXCUSE ME ?

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[ornate tartan]

nah nga give me JINBE

[leaden rivet]

Jinbei joining the crew was just so unnecessary

And he doesn’t even fit with the others anyway

[wide star]

yeah they lost to yonkos , Law put up a good fight .. that’s not the same as getting cooked and captured with the weaker straw hats by the holy knights

[hoary steppe]

JINBE LITERALLY GIVE HIS BLOOD TO LUFFY

JIMBE END RACISM

[leaden rivet]

So?

[wide star]

losing to BB & Shanks > losing to HKs along with weaker straw hats

[steel stirrup]

Jinbe joining is nice to me

Plus Oda has always meant for a Fishman to be on Luffy's crew

[somber flare]

Or we can just kick Sanji out and replace him with Loki and that's problem solved

[hoary steppe]

So wdym so

[leaden rivet]

Fuck does that have to do with joining the crew?

[trim lily]

we should invite reiju onto the crew, she saved luffy’s life

[sage temple]

Loki already fought Shanks, he's set up to fight Shamrock, he looks like he's on the mural fighting Imu, and Garling is just what I want him to fight to complete the bloodline upset

[leaden rivet]

Does everyone who fights for or save Luffy should join the SH?

[hoary steppe]

DUH, luffy owes him

[leaden rivet]

Jinbei was far better as a SH ally then a crewmate

[wide star]

if Loki joins the crew .. he’s cooked lol

[tranquil blade]

I can see why Oda decided to add Jinbe to the strawhats, but I will always see him as a little different than the rest just cause of how late he joined

[urban lodge]

Gyats for straw hat

[stone terrace]

Jimbei was more useful to luffy than any sh ever was

[leaden rivet]

Now he’s just another one of the irrelevant strawhats that wait for the monster trio to do something

[strong wadi]

hidden morj in the server 😭

[formal wagon]

usopp

[hoary steppe]

And they need a good ship handler

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[wide star]

but with how everything is set up , it don’t feel like Loki joining the crew anyway thankfully lol

[sage temple]

It's because of Sanji

[leaden rivet]

They were fine for a thousand chapters

They don’t need Jinbei

[sage temple]

Sanji should die for what he did to Jinbe

[leaden rivet]

He’s just there

[wide star]

Monster Trio always comes first lol

[hoary steppe]

He is the trio

[sage temple]

Unforgivable

[tranquil blade]

That self reply

[hoary steppe]

[trim lily]

yeah they’d don’t need jinbe, they were perfectly fine steering up till now

[formal wagon]

jinbei is really fat

[sage temple]

I genuinely wish Sanji was stronger so Jinbe wouldn't be held back as much for the monster trio to still be a thing

[hoary steppe]

Not until WCI and wano

[leaden rivet]

We didn’t need anymore strawhats to begin with. Most of them get no attention and barely do anything other than one thing every arc

[trim lily]

do you have any sources to back up this claim

[somber flare]

Oda needs to give up the monster trio gimmick and just let Sanji fade into obscurity and become like Franky level of importance

[formal wagon]

no, sorry

[hoary steppe]

This jimbe hate is insane

[trim lily]

we should remove zoro from the crew for another arc i think

[hoary steppe]

Luffy would hate u smh

[strong wadi]

Morj propoganda im afraid

[hasty sable]

I also think Jinbe hasn’t really contributed in the way I would have expected a powerhouse warlord to since he joined

[sage temple]

Yeah let Sanji get another buff

Jinbe's being power ceilinged hard asf rn

[tranquil blade]

Well he kinda got powercliffed

[ashen perch]

I think you guys need to relax

[trim lily]

this wouldn’t be also manga if we didn’t over exaggerate or overblow problems we make up

[wide star]

jimbei pre-straw hats : wasn’t afraid of soul pocus and attacked big mom , clashed with akainu , fought ace to a stale mate

jinbei post straw hat : got cooked with the weaker straw hats by a HK while the monster trio are chilling & was running around carrying boxes the entire time during Egghead

[ashen perch]

He'll get his time, he's not powercliffed, that's not even true 😭

[leaden rivet]

Is there anyone that cares about Jinbei enough to hate him.

[sturdy steeple]

Arsal, don’t you think Sanji should cease to exist like any normal OP fan would

[sage temple]

Oh new opinion dropped let me agree with Arsal before anyone else because he spreads nothing but facts and truth

[hasty sable]

Jinbe’s done

[tranquil blade]

A warlord is a big deal but like when you're an emperor you got like 2 or 3 warlord tier guys on your crew anyways

[hoary steppe]

Yes, its the whole crew !

[ornate tartan]

bro he’s getting up🤣 trust

[sturdy steeple]

Jinbei is the new Franky of SHs and yes, that makes sense to me.

[tranquil blade]

Look man Jinbe just got done fuckin dirty in a way that I just don't see happening if like Zoro was there instead

[frozen aspen]

jinbe getting as many feats as usopp from now on lowkey diabolical

[wet condor]

I was just gonna mention him Keep

lol

[hasty sable]

I wish Sanji would… marry Pudding and have a happy ending after proving himself Zoro’s equal on top of being a great chef making him in fact superior

[brittle basin]

Sanji conq soon.

[steel stirrup]

Eww

[leaden rivet]

Should’ve been in the grand fleet or something idk

Just nowhere on the ship

[wide star]

so Loki would be the new Brook or Usopp then if he joined 🤔 since franky is taken

[strong wadi]

I can't say I wasnt a little disappointed with his performance against Gunko, but it's Oda being Oda, not jinbe's fault

[sturdy steeple]

Yes. Just yes.

[wet condor]

It's hilarious because it seemed like Oda was making an in-universe joke about this. Frank on the Rocketman was talking about how "I'm stronger than usual today"

Oda giving us a heads-up "He not gonna be looking this good later on"

[sage temple]

Loki has other offers

[steel stirrup]

Sanji better leave her alone for at least 4 more years

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOOO

[wet condor]

Loki should just be a lone wolf

[ashen perch]

Give him some time, he's figuring out something on that too

[ornate tartan]

bro he don’t got no other offers what?😂

[frozen aspen]

maybe oda just hates jinbe's fatass bc he is not treating franky this badly

[leaden rivet]

Sanji wouldn’t leave her alone if she was…anywho he’s not waiting lol

[wet condor]

You weren't the only one

[tranquil blade]

and then in Egghead he was the assigned box carrier like okay

[urban lodge]

Just 2 or 3 more months of thinking

[steel stirrup]

I dont like that

[leaden rivet]

Sanji I don’t think belongs with any woman

[frozen aspen]

franky did a lot more in egghead than anyone else outside of the monster trio

[wide star]

Jinbei the entire time during egghead while all the other straw hats (even the weaker ones) were fighting admirals and gorosei 🤦🏾‍♂️

[tranquil blade]

Like Oda if you're gonna fuck over a guy who just joined the strawhats why did you add them

[brittle basin]

!sorry

[steel stirrup]

Can shawty develop her frontal lobe first

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660200350749425688/1007704105340391494/unknown.png

[tranquil blade]

What was the point

[wet condor]

Nami even says something about it

[sage temple]

?

[ashen perch]

"where is Usopp's arc" "why are the crew doing nothing" conversations when we have been stuck in this godforsaken flashback for 4 and a half centuries are just pointless

[wet condor]

Nami was expressing my disappointment as a Jinbe fan

[leaden rivet]

Oh dearest Arsal

[ornate tartan]

he alr refused them

[hoary steppe]

SHAME ON YOU

[wet condor]

Nami:"I thought we'd be good with you here"

[leaden rivet]

We are talking about outside the flashback

[sage temple]

He alr refused Luffy as well

[wet condor]

Yeah me too

[tranquil blade]

Nami was the fans there

[frozen aspen]

lets go back to slandering GV characters like garling for the millionth time

[ornate tartan]

IK, Loki isn’t gonna join anyone crew

[wet condor]

Fr lol

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO

[urban lodge]

It's not his fault, Gunko is simply her

[ashen perch]

We're in the buildup phase of the arc, you're being impatient on the payoff

[somber flare]

Was that scan taken by a microwave

[wide star]

your missing a hat 😂

[wet condor]

Gunko is a DF Regen cheeser

[brittle basin]

.........but where is Usopp's arc? Inquiring minds - specifically the chads @brittle basin and @pseudo gulch - want to know.

[steel stirrup]

On my immortal soul I said the same shit when I read it

[tranquil blade]

Jinbe jobbed as hard as Brook did there genuinely why man

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I’m sure Jinbei will get his time to shine someday but you have to understand that he went an entire arc carrying boxes and people around.
And in this one he’s counting sheep at the moment.

[wet condor]

Cheese on top of cheese

[sage temple]

Yeah I posted that when people were talking about Loki joining the SHs

[wet condor]

She better not lose

[rose rune]

yeah. let's slander Eris, she called herself a pirate, but she had no chance against anyone

[wide star]

Jimbei went from carrying boxes in egghead to putting out fires in Elbaf .. bro what do you even do here

[tranquil blade]

THe "on my immortal soul" is frying me

[hoary steppe]

Solos BM btw

[ashen perch]

Flashback is just gonna take 2 more centuries and we'll finally be out, and there'll be many times to shine for Jinbe and Usopp

[leaden rivet]

We discuss things as they happen

[steel stirrup]

Immortal and everlasting soul, even.

[sturdy steeple]

Oh, and better yet Oda loves to use him as a fire hydrant of the crew. Get it? He’s a fishman karate master so he has to put out the fire every time it happens. Thank you, Oda.

[sage temple]

Baby Loki level crew btw

They have no right to enlist Loki

Genuinely

[tranquil blade]

Oda might hate fishmen

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[sturdy steeple]

Well, that’s peak post-ts Jinbei.

[leaden rivet]

We’re not going to wait for everything to be complete before discussing it

[tranquil blade]

Honestly I'm starting to wonder if Oda has a motive behind it

[wet condor]

When I started become a real fan

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/jinbe-jimbei-jinbei-big-mom-wci-gif-17852166761322279053

[urban lodge]

Before it was all non-humans but now we have top tier giants with coc

[ashen perch]

Things have been stuck in the same spot, so no point in doing so

[hoary steppe]

Broke bm lung btw

[leaden rivet]

Sigh

[wet condor]

It was before this but this really cemented it

[frozen aspen]

usopp

[hoary steppe]

WHAT

😭

[tranquil blade]

Remember when Jinbe was standing up to the main arc antagonist? I remember those days

[stone terrace]

"Cognac" nobody cares man wheres the acoc

[leaden rivet]

Big mom just saddens me a bit is all

[golden valley]

We got two giants with CoC

[hoary steppe]

Oh

Yeah

[sage temple]

Yeah it's Loki's flashback so might as well speak about Loki

[frozen aspen]

jinbe washed now

[golden valley]

Lunarian with CoC next

[sage temple]

🤷‍♂️

[sturdy steeple]

There’s no motive. It’s just his strength as a character. He can use water techniques so he does what he’s best at.
It’s in the same vicinity as Chopper coming up with random drugs mid battle. They just do stuff that might not end up being interesting in the long run.

[leaden rivet]

I wish she wasn’t a woman

[urban lodge]

Jarul will have coc too

[ornate tartan]

Dory and Brogy gonna be op even without conq

or what if they have it and never got to show it yet

[wet condor]

He's getting UP

[wide star]

🤦🏾‍♂️ lmao that’s why they need their prince Loki .. so he can change their image to the world

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[hoary steppe]

It was the most peak thing, someone actually blocked yonko attack back then

[urban lodge]

It's true

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-ksi-laughing-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-6096976004461568132

[wet condor]

This shit was so embarrassing

[ornate tartan]

Dory and Brogy have a chance to have conq but not Jarul @urban lodge

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[frozen aspen]

its the new world everyone has coc

[hoary steppe]

Wut 🗿

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[tranquil blade]

Everyone except the people who really deserve it

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[sage temple]

Yet the captain is already a prince

So it doesn't matter

[wide star]

Loki joining the new giant warrior pirates and making them a top crew in the world would be more impressive than him already joining a yonko crew who is already a top crew

[sage temple]

They don't need both princes

[golden valley]

Too much of a loki clone but i’ll let it slide

[tranquil blade]

Hot take Jinbe deserves CoC more than Sanji

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, that’s a hot take.

[ashen perch]

Also give it some time, its coming, the night is long and the deniers are loud, but dawn will come, Usopp's time will come and it'll arrive so aggressively that there's gonna be people asking Oda to chill out

[golden valley]

Hot take indeed

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/goodfellas-wiseguys-funny-guy-gangster-hilarious-gif-19855283

[hoary steppe]

Sanji have CoC ???

[sage temple]

Yeah go ahead and repeat what I said

[golden valley]

Very hot take

[tranquil blade]

??????

[wet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[steel stirrup]

He on yo ass

[somber flare]

it shouldn't be a hot take

[leaden rivet]

I don’t really like the idea of Jinbei getting coc

[somber flare]

Sanji doesn't deserve it

[frozen aspen]

loki joining the new giant warriors would make them the heart pirates 2. One top tier and a bunch of npcs

[leaden rivet]

It upsets me

[ashen perch]

East Blue 5 and Jinbe are all future CoC users so you dont have to do these comparisons

[wide star]

cold take fishmen ain’t conquerors lol it took us decades just for oda to give someone who wasnt human CoC with Harald

[sage temple]

Wait are you confused or not

[leaden rivet]

I would prefer Usopp gets it if someone else will get it

[sage temple]

Add some more question marks to lmk

[tranquil blade]

???

[sturdy steeple]

I do feel like Jinbei is the character where you can purposefully see that he’s not comfortable in the position of a leader. It’s his burden more than anything.

[golden valley]

Jinbei pushing 50 and just finding out he can use CoC

[somber flare]

Usopp shouldn't either

[sage temple]

Oh I see

Thank you

[tranquil blade]

Did you just say East Blue 5

[ashen perch]

He used it against WW but he wasn't aware unfortunately

[urban lodge]

Last time I said this I got called ageist 😔

[tranquil blade]

Wasn't it East Blue 4??

[ashen perch]

I did say that yes

[wet condor]

Now it's pretty clear that Jinbe doesn't have it. But he was a candidate back in say WCI

Standby that

[sage temple]

It just wouldn't make sense for one crewmate to be stronger than everyone else on the crew including the captain

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

Akainu is 56 and his first CoC usage was probably Punk Hazard, it doesn't matter

[somber flare]

We are just fine with 2

[deep chasm]

🙄

[frozen aspen]

I'd rather see arlong get coc than fucking usopp

[ashen perch]

Anyone can get anything at any age

[wide star]

they would be co captains like dorry & brogy were .. Law is wayyy stronger than his crew, so was Shiki & Kaido

[hoary steppe]

Lmaooooo

[stone terrace]

Theres no way you think akainu awakened coc on punk hazard

[tranquil blade]

Sengoku is like 80 and his first CoC usage was like never

[hoary steppe]

😭 😭 😭

[hasty sable]

Usopp getting it would be cringe

[sturdy steeple]

Arsal, all I’m gonna say is that there’s a reason why Oda highlights the superiority of Roger’s two best men when compared to other members.
And there’s a reason why Gaban looks at Sanji and Zoro directly while mentioning that there are several people that can use CoC in this crew.
They’re meant to be de-facto strongest powerhouse with the rarest ability.

[ashen perch]

Probably did

[tranquil blade]

He might have

[hasty sable]

Most anti-conquerer in the series

[somber flare]

Akainu shouldn't get it either and Sengoku should not have it in the first place

[wet condor]

I can't take that one off the table

[urban lodge]

Akainu is plausible that he always had it and we just didn't see him use it

[tranquil blade]

I hate to say it but he might have

[somber flare]

Bootlickers shouldn't be allowed CoC

[wet condor]

Even though I would prefer Usopp not have it

[sage temple]

Law, Shiki, and Kaido were all captains. Read my message again and look for the word captain

[leaden rivet]

Hesh

[hasty sable]

Usopp has no use for it since he sucks at fighting anyway

[tranquil blade]

Well Sengoku was already confirmed to have it so that dream is over

[sage temple]

😭

[leaden rivet]

He hasn’t really had a time to show he had coc

[hasty sable]

I’d rather he be awesome as a normal person

[wide star]

co captain basically the same thing .. it’s not like hajrudin would be bossing loki around as co captains

[somber flare]

Yeah I know I'm saying he shouldn't

[hasty sable]

But nowadays he can’t even be Usopp awesome like he used to be

[hoary steppe]

Cmon

Acoc bullet ????

Anyone

[hasty sable]

He’s just there

[frozen aspen]

akainu gets no coc and if he does he is still a future sabo victim

[wide star]

remember what Harald dream was .. for both of his sons to lead “ together “

[leaden rivet]

All the gorosei are bootlickers with coc

[somber flare]

That was a mistake by Oda and he knows it because Sengoku has literally not done even a single thing the entire series

[sturdy steeple]

Folks want Usopp to have CoC only because of his dream. But character wise there’s no way he will ever overpower someone with his will, dude.

[sage temple]

Yeah but every example you gave just doesn't make sense at all to be used in this context

[tranquil blade]

He doesn't know how to use basic armament... let alone ACoC...

[somber flare]

Even in in-universe history

[sage temple]

Dorry and Brogy were able to be co-captains because they were almost equal in strength

Hajrudin is a bum

[somber flare]

All these flashbacks and still no mention of him doing literally anything

[sage temple]

Loki is a god

[hoary steppe]

Hm… u right 😭

[wet condor]

This is how I feel about it, but I'm just thinking of what Oda might be going for. And there's that pattern of his lies coming true or whatever

[leaden rivet]

Hajrudin is a bum yeah….what a shame

[hasty sable]

Usopp is the guy who was such a pathetic loser that depression ghosts didn’t affect him

[tranquil blade]

Usopp having CoC would be almost purely symbolic but idk if it's fitting for him

[hasty sable]

He will never get CoC lol

[wide star]

the examples i gave was crews where one person is way stronger than everybody else like how it would be if loki joined .. Oda already set up harald dreaming being both of them leading together , you really think Oda gonna stop that due to powerscaling ? lol

[tranquil blade]

Oh yeah Hajrudin might unlock CoC here

[wet condor]

Just let Loki go dolo

[somber flare]

If Usopp gets CoC I lose all hope for that ability

[deep chasm]

you disgust me

[leaden rivet]

Just letting anyone have coc

[wet condor]

Don't have him joining a crew. He's not the type of guy to be in a crew anyway imo

[urban lodge]

Hajrudin will have it yeah

[tranquil blade]

??? He wants to be King of the giants

[somber flare]

You shouldn't be allowed to be a bitch your entire life and then get it just because you all the sudden decide you don't want to be one anymore

[tranquil blade]

What is this hate guys???

[hasty sable]

Usopp getting it would make CoC worthless rather than the desired effect of making Usopp cooler

[wet condor]

I'll have to stop clowning Hajrudin if he gets it

[wide star]

we know how oda is when it comes to dead parents dreams/hopes for their kid . he has them fulfill them

[sturdy steeple]

Oh right, the lies. The thing about lies that not ALL become true. Majority but not all.
You would have to consider Usopp dying if we took for granted everything he blabbers about.

[frozen aspen]

I'll support u in this

[wet condor]

And recant what I said

[tranquil blade]

I kinda knew people would get pissed off when I sent it but we have to rip the bandaid off now

[hasty sable]

God I hate Oda I want to shoot him into space where he belongs

[sage temple]

Yeah and that person was stronger than everyone else as a captain. If Hajrudin was stronger than or equal to Loki then that would at least make sense but this just isn't the case. Giving zero reason for Loki to join based off other crew examples

[deep chasm]

maybe if he can beat mr 3 I can accept it

[wet condor]

I do consider that last sentence lol

[leaden rivet]

There’s like thousands of people who want to be king of the pirates surely they don’t all possess coc

[ashen perch]

Not the only parallel that matters lol, Yasopp is one of Shanks's commander trio and that's what I am looking at when I say that Usopp will be greater than that. Jinbe has no real equivalent in either crew, and the SHs will just be the first to have somebody like him. The SHs will be different from all these crews while sharing some parallels, that's all

[sturdy steeple]

Dude WHAT

[tranquil blade]

I didn't say king of the pirates tho

[wet condor]

And I hope Usopp dies

[sage temple]

Harald didn't want Loki to join Hajrudin's crew he just wanted them to rule Elbaph together which they can do on different pirate crews

[leaden rivet]

It makes no difference

[wet condor]

I want Luffy to die and Usopp to die but I can only get one. I realize that

[somber flare]

Moose level Hajruden getting CoC would be funny

[hasty sable]

I unironically think Sanji dying would elevate the series

[tranquil blade]

It does actually make a difference

[wet condor]

There's no way Oda has both of them dying

[leaden rivet]

Elaborate

[wide star]

they can’t lead elbaf together on different crews lmao it would literally need to be ELBAFS own crew

[hasty sable]

In a respectful way

Not an I hate Sanji way

[sage temple]

And Harald's dream doesn't even have to come true either. Harald also wanted Elbaph to be an affiliated country. Is this the case now? No it isn't

[frozen aspen]

ok but they are npcs and hajrudin is a major supporting character rn

[hasty sable]

Becagse I like Sanji

[wide star]

yeah now this is just cope saying it’s not gonna come true when Oda ALWAYS has shit like this come true when it comes to dead parents

[hasty sable]

Honestly Zoro dying would also be cool

[sage temple]

They just don't need to be on the same crew to rule a country together

[ashen perch]

you do hate him tho

[hasty sable]

I only love to hate him

[somber flare]

Hajrudin is just a slow learner tho he's only at the young age of 80

[wet condor]

Him dying feels weird lol

[hasty sable]

I like him too though

[sage temple]

It just isn't cope

[ashen perch]

Also none of the SHs are dying, you'll get an Usopp fakeout at best

[somber flare]

Ketchup star

[wet condor]

I'm literally praying on their deaths

[hasty sable]

Usopp dying could have been peak

[sage temple]

Genuinely tired of these discussions 😩

[hasty sable]

Jinbe dying would have been great too if it happened in Wano

[tranquil blade]

Hajrudin is the one carrying the will of Harald currently to rule Elbaph and to keep it safe, that's literally it, he wants to be a strong leader for his people and to protect them from dangers like Loki or the World Government

If Harald can get CoC off of basically the exact same thing, why can't he?

[wide star]

gotta prepare yourself for loki only options as a pirate being joining luffy crew or being co captain with hajrudin as they lead the ELBAF pirates together lol

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin CoC is very likely, not sure why there's any denial

[hot cairn]

no big characters are dying in final war

[wet condor]

I'll continue to deny until I see it

[hot cairn]

strawhats? why?

[hasty sable]

If Hajrudin doesn’t get it then why is he even here tbh

I want Haj to surpass Loki

[ashen perch]

He fits all the qualities except for the meme brained "fraud fraud fraud" criteria that he has to surpass

[wet condor]

If it happens, I'll get off Hajrudin's neck

[ashen perch]

And he will

[leaden rivet]

That’s fair

[hot cairn]

drop worthy for socrates

[wet condor]

I'm not even a Haj hater really lol

[wide star]

cause people don’t like hajrudin cause of dressrosa lol he doesn’t fit their agenda if he gets CoC and becomes strong as well (even though his dad was one of the strongest characters we’ve ever seen in the story )

[wet condor]

Just Luffy and Usopp

[sage temple]

Because he's on the grand fleet

[frozen aspen]

I can see elbaf getting nuked entirely so its not like loki has to lead them

[sage temple]

Deadass

[leaden rivet]

Same. Just can’t take him seriously.

[hasty sable]

Hajrudin and Loki should at least be equals imo

[sage temple]

Niggas want Loki to be on a leash for the rest of his life to a country that never even liked him

[hot cairn]

i dont think that's happening

[somber flare]

Nah Loki should be stronger

[wet condor]

that seems to be the consensus

[somber flare]

Ancient giant and all that

[wet condor]

I can hope though

[sage temple]

Arsal I thought ragebait was against the rules

[wet condor]

I know if one of them dies, it's only one of them

No way it's both

[somber flare]

I do think Haj will get CoC tho at some point

[wet condor]

I don't know who I want to die more in that case

[ashen perch]

Loki is going to chill out and have an excellent relationship with his brother, its gonna be sweet

[hasty sable]

I’m not rage baiting but Arsal will never ban me because he loves me

[trim lily]

he better

[wide star]

facts, its textbook Oda

[sturdy steeple]

So far the parallels that we had with strongest trios is either two of them being superior or at least one. We have to get to RHP to consider that first. Plenty of ways to surpass his pops without resorting to conq.
Jinbei whatsoever (in my opinion) does not fit conquerors. That position is a burden for him. And he’s in his prime, he’s far older than others in the crew.
Nami is just… Dude. I think you guys add Nami just to complete the OG5 conquerors theory. Otherwise I see NO reason whatsoever both thematically and character wise.

[frozen aspen]

all arsal does is ragebait too

[ashen perch]

I have never

[leaden rivet]

Yeah this is rather obvious

[brittle basin]

[sage temple]

Arsal is a hypocrite he can warn others for doing the same thing

[ashen perch]

If you're raging at me, its on you idk

[leaden rivet]

Has Arsal actually warned anyone for rage baiting lol

[trim lily]

rise up the ranks to mod and you can do the same

[sturdy steeple]

Strawhats dying brings nothing to the story lol
It makes it actively worse if anything.

[ashen perch]

I haven't purposefully ragebaited anybody since like pre mod

[trim lily]

this is my view too

[sage temple]

[trim lily]

one piece is not the kind of story in which a strawhat should die

other than like brook at the end

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-cat-sad-sad-cat-gato-triste-cry-gif-7044126341656122482

[wet condor]

I know you in the mood to disagree or countersignal me

[sturdy steeple]

Brook dying is at least reasonable in the context of him living for too long.

[leaden rivet]

I agree I don’t think any strawhats should really die except like Usopp

[sage temple]

Just wish some people would stop talking about Loki if all they do is ragebait

[fast pagoda]

None of the Straw Hats will die

This is One Piece

[somber flare]

Yeah any straw hat dying sucks but if it happened to Sanji I wouldn't be complaining tho

[hot cairn]

literally

[sturdy steeple]

I am in the mood to eat some watermelon

[fast pagoda]

And Usopp definitely wont die

[hasty sable]

Usopp, Sanji, and Jinbe deaths could be good

[sturdy steeple]

Idk I just wanted to say that

[hasty sable]

Depending on how you did them

[sage temple]

I hope Ussop dies

[hasty sable]

Like anything

[fast pagoda]

Only Straw Hats I could possibly see die are Jinbe and Brook but that still is super unlikely

[somber flare]

Realistically none of them are dying

[hasty sable]

Personally I think that Sanji dying and surpassing Zoro in some way that he can never take back would be cool

[somber flare]

Luffy would probably kill himself if that happened

[formal wagon]

realistically i give egghead until december

[hasty sable]

Thinking back on stuff like Thriller Bark where Sanji was jealous of Zoro etc

Reversing the roles

But Sanji will survive and marry Pudding which is fine

[ornate tartan]

yall want Jinbe to die before he see the fishmen come to the surface and get justice🤣

chill on him man

[sage temple]

I think Sanji just has to stop comparing himself to Zoro

[wide star]

i don’t see brook dying but if he died , this would be the easiest way .. if his power is removed then he’s DEAD dead lol

[frozen aspen]

usopp fakeout death so that luffy can unlock gear death

[trim lily]

i want brook to go peacefully not murdered

let the man pass on naturally

[somber flare]

We will get a ketchup star fake out moment tho with Usopp

[ornate tartan]

he’s not dying till he reunites with Laboon

this is almost guaranteed

[trim lily]

yeah

[hasty sable]

I would think that but I don’t think Oda wants that

[wet condor]

I don't really care about the rest of the SHs dying though. The only SHs who would have any real meaning to me if they died are Luffy and Usopp. The last thing I want to see if Luffy lying on his death bed peacefully. And especailly not living a domestic life or having children. Doesn't fit a guy like him. Usopp dying would validate him being a brave warrior of the sea. Acting as a martyr or sacrifice and giving his life up for it

[wide star]

realistically though i don’t see Oda killing any straw hats

[formal wagon]

if brook uses haki on himself will he die

or willh he un undie

[wet condor]

The only ones I think that have got a shot are Luffy and Usopp

Do I expect them to die?

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[wet condor]

Not really.

[steel stirrup]

Ni

Maybe

[wet condor]

I know what manga this is

[tranquil blade]

Well he's already died

[steel stirrup]

Idk

[leaden rivet]

I agree

I think lufffy should definitely die

[somber flare]

nah

[leaden rivet]

Of like cancer

[wet condor]

LMAOOOO

[hasty sable]

Luffy will be the opposite

[wet condor]

Cancer?

[hasty sable]

He will live forever

[forest jacinth]

[leaden rivet]

Yeah something on that accord

[sturdy steeple]

I dunno, when it comes to One Piece and its present timeline I don’t see things ever becoming depressing. If anything, we’re at the point where a God Saviour appeared to bring more joy into this world.
Now imagine, I dunno, Jinbei dying before, say, FMI end up on surface. Or whatever you can think of for his conclusion. Depressing as fuck for no reason. Leave that for flashbacks, lol.

[mighty shell]

chopper should die not because it's narratively satisfying i'm just tired of him

[ashen perch]

I think its really the best way, plus he and Nami have the gag foreshadowing that Oda loves to do, also not to get into Nerona Mi but just gonna say that Nami's lineage could contribute to it too.

Jinbe though, I don't see why age should matter, haki blooms happen through intense or desperate situations, and that can happen to anyone at any time in their lives. Jinbe may have even had CoC spilling out from him during that WW fight so it could just be something he isn't aware of.

[steel stirrup]

The Will of Joyboy huh

[ornate tartan]

none of these guys are gonna end up dying

[wet condor]

Jinbe not getting it. It's a done deal at this point

[ornate tartan]

but it’s good discussion nonetheless

[urban lodge]

Luffy should definitely get pirate cancer, but not die of it because that means Chopper is a shit doctor who will never accomplish his dream

[ashen perch]

Nothing is a done deal

[wet condor]

Can't cope about it forever. I've made my peace

[leaden rivet]

I feel like people don’t really care enough about Jinbei for his death to truly mean something to most

[tranquil blade]

Usopp is dying tho

[somber flare]

The entire point of the time skip was to make sure nothing like a crew member dying ever happens again so it's not even in the question

[sturdy steeple]

Jinbei is like

[fast pagoda]

The only main characters I'm certain will die are the Gorosei and Garp

[wet condor]

You're correct

[sturdy steeple]

An ultimate henchman

[forest jacinth]

What if Luffy just refuses treatment

[somber flare]

Luffy would consider himself an utter failure if any one of his friends died

[fast pagoda]

I like Jinbe :(((

[leaden rivet]

I always imagined when Luffy dies the crew already disbands

[mighty shell]

someone post the image of law dying and giving luffy immortality

[leaden rivet]

And yet I’ve never seen anyone who has him as their favorite

[inner agate]

luffy should die so that someone else becomes the mc in the final saga

[ornate tartan]

duck baiting with no blue check

they fried him😂

[wet condor]

He's tied as my 2nd favorite with Zoro

[frozen aspen]

cancer already beat wb and roger luffy is next

[wet condor]

The two of them swap places at times

[somber flare]

how is any one piece argument post getting 1.6 million views

[wet condor]

If I have to rank them

[wide star]

one piece twitter loves arguing lol

[ornate tartan]

that tweet is up there with the sanji fan

[sturdy steeple]

He’s the guy to follow someone rather than take matters into his hands. I think that’s what separates him from the others.
Him taking the role of a FMI spiritual leader left him in distress. You can see him being uncomfortable being in that role. He couldn’t live for himself.
I do think that alone disqualifies him.

[inner agate]

because hes a master baiter

[leaden rivet]

Character?

[wet condor]

Among the SHs

[leaden rivet]

Ah I was going to say

[frozen aspen]

fake numbers, elon musk needs to dissappear of the face of the earth for what he did to that site

[formal wagon]

thats really good trolling i saw that the other day

[fast pagoda]

Blackbeard might die or he might just get trapped for eternity same with Imu

Shanks I'm 50/50

[sturdy steeple]

But thematically why tho
I get Usopp, I get Jinbei (even though character wise it should NOT happen) but Nami gets nothing out of being a conqueror.

[inner agate]

law because he needs to give the immortality surgery

[fast pagoda]

But I dont think his death is as certain as some poeple think

[fast pagoda]

He doesn't need to give it

[wet condor]

I haven't though of my complete top 10 character rankings really

[lament geyser]

not before killing shanks

[somber flare]

He needs to dissapear for everything he does in general

[urban lodge]

I started a tier list like 6 months ago and never continued it

[inner agate]

i have a feeling his df will be an important plot point

[urban lodge]

I should do that

[leaden rivet]

I need a new tier list

[fast pagoda]

I think most of the the Holy Knights might either die or be imprisoned

[leaden rivet]

Let me make one

[fast pagoda]

I could see Sommers dying

But I dont see Shanrock dying, hes just going to jail

[somber flare]

I think they'll all be dead

[lament geyser]

i see usopp beating a holy knight

[wet condor]

I'm okay with this if he doesn't die from it

Like he gets a cancer diagnosis

And then goes out like Roger

[ashen perch]

Gotta wait and see on that tbh, its quite tough to predict her exact future role even though I think she'll be important as hell

[wet condor]

I feel like we're rehashing shit though if that happens

Let Luffy die in battle

Prob best for him

[leaden rivet]

Luffy’s life is a lot of rehashing tho imo

[wet condor]

lmaooo

Not untrue

[ashen perch]

Luffy can't die to a disease

[leaden rivet]

Fuck chopper

[sage temple]

I see a holy knight letting Ussop kill them

[wet condor]

I didn't even consider Chop lol

[ornate tartan]

Oda even scared of killing Kinemon and Pell

[wide star]

what will be the last spoiler/leak for One Piece overall … who the eyepatch man is ? what luffy dream is ?

[forest jacinth]

[ornate tartan]

he didn’t even confirm Kaido and BM death

[tranquil blade]

I don't really see the point in Luffy going out the way Roger did, at least Roger doing that was the reason like half the events of today happened

[ashen perch]

Because BM is alive and Kaido didn't immediately die

[ornate tartan]

Kid fate is left ambiguous too

and Barto

[fast pagoda]

BOOO

[ashen perch]

Both alive

[leaden rivet]

I always saw it as Luffy dying when he’s most free

[lament geyser]

my goat will return

[sage temple]

People see Ussop doing anything nowadays

[formal wagon]

TOp 10 one piece characters based on character depth

1. Chaka
2. Dalton
3. Brook
4. Kyros
5. Hody Jones
6. Pell
7. Aladine
   8.Tank Lepanto
8. Igaram
9. T Bone

[sage temple]

Kidd is dead

[leaden rivet]

Rather than dying old and settling down

[wide star]

Perospero as well

[sturdy steeple]

Like I have to assume two of these guys are gonna get conq?

[fallen meteor]

Pell Aladine

[somber flare]

Is T-bone on the list because of the "depth" of the knife inside his back?

[sage temple]

Character depth is the worst term oat

[wet condor]

I'm betting against Usopp

[formal wagon]

I love royal guards as a category of characters and i'm so so excited for brook's second backstory

[tranquil blade]

Usopp is getting CoC in the final war and dying 5 minutes later

[wide star]

since they wanted to frame perospero for Pedro taking himself out

[ornate tartan]

the point i’m trying to make is Oda is really hesitant on killing important characters on screen

[wet condor]

But if he gets it, I'm just like "well... I considered the angle"

[ornate tartan]

There will be deaths in final war

[urban lodge]

Usopp getting it would genuinely be pretty bad

[ornate tartan]

but not as much as ppl expect

[sturdy steeple]

Because that shit will work like a poison on him

[lament geyser]

always bet on usopp

[sage temple]

Ussop getting CoC would ruin the exclusivity of CoC

[lament geyser]

this is his arc

[sage temple]

It would devalue it insanely

[sturdy steeple]

Consider deez

[leaden rivet]

Im rooting for Usopp but betting against him

[inner agate]

why

[tranquil blade]

Would Usopp dying be bad

[sage temple]

Ussop getting CoC is like the CSGO skin devaluing

[tranquil blade]

Like theoretically

[wet condor]

It'd be great

[leaden rivet]

I wish he died much earlier

[urban lodge]

Depends on how he dies

[wet condor]

Best way for a guy like him to go out

[sturdy steeple]

There’s also another part why I think Usopp of all people should not get conq

[wet condor]

"Death is what completes a person"

[sturdy steeple]

And it’s because it’s boring as fuck in his case

[sage temple]

Because of how weak willed he is

[somber flare]

It was suck hard

[wet condor]

He's just not like the other guys who we've seen get it

[sturdy steeple]

Well, Usopp opposes that idea heavily

[inner agate]

i think this will change by the end of elbaf

[sage temple]

I can name plenty of people with no CoC starting with Jinbe with better reasons to get CoC

[somber flare]

Being a conqueror should be in your nature not something you have to work towards

[wet condor]

He should stop coping

[sage temple]

[sturdy steeple]

That’s why he went and put his life on the line to save the samurai from THEM throwing their lives.

[wet condor]

Because Kaido's correct

[sturdy steeple]

Crazy yeah

[fast pagoda]

Oda not letting Kinemon die but having Ashura Doji die offscreen to a bomb weaker than a Buggy ball is the funniest shit ever

[ionic palm]

if Usopp was weak-willed, he would’ve been knocked out by any CoC wave instantly :p

[inner agate]

he probably has tontatta and giant genetics

[sturdy steeple]

Kaido did nothing wrong!

[sage temple]

Oh yeah Loki will become stronger than Imu and I think this'll be revealed at the end of Elbaph

[lament geyser]

definitely

[distant vine]

Usopp COC was always a dumb idea

[tranquil blade]

I mean Kaido's character did complete with his death...

[sage temple]

Genuinely so dumb

[leaden rivet]

I doubt coc is genetic

[distant vine]

Kinda as with him becoming super powerful in any form

[hasty sable]

Luffy does too

[leaden rivet]

But it is implied to be hereditary

[sturdy steeple]

Music, we might really end up in the timeline where Kaido will end up being right on like 95% of the stuff

[sage temple]

Genetic is a factor but Ussop literally has no reason to get it

[hasty sable]

Kaido died a nothing

[lament geyser]

that bum loki is getting domi reversi

[somber flare]

The fact that it would have taken this long for him to finally not be "weak willed" should automatically disqualify Usopp for even being considered to get CoC

[ornate tartan]

if Yasopp has conquerors haki then Usopp having it will be a little more believable

[distant vine]

But COC is the worst of it. At least if he had a strong hammer itd be more earned

[sage temple]

Idgaf

Especially if you're saying that

[ornate tartan]

Loki over Imu after elbaph is probably the boldest take i’ve seen in a while😂

[inner agate]

remember when he faced kizaru in sabaody also his theme that hes a liar whos lies unintentionally become true so i think he will become a strong warrior and he has many parallels to noland

[lament geyser]

😭

[formal wagon]

It gets used in really cringe ways a lot in fandom communities, normal words for disscussing literature are taking on a stronger and stronger negative and sophmoric connotation as they're used for toxicity or other things. I think "media literacy" is the worst offender.

[sage temple]

It isn't a real take it's the same logic people are using for Ussop getting CoC

[ionic palm]

lay off the shrooms :d

[ornate tartan]

nah bro Imu is too strong

[sturdy steeple]

Well yeah, OP itself heavily opposes that idea. Kaido simply took the wrong ideas from their deaths.

[ornate tartan]

u saw what he just did to the old generation

[fast pagoda]

People who say "media literacy" all the time dont even understand what it means

[fast pagoda]

They actually have low media literacy

[sturdy steeple]

It’s not a death that completed them. It’s their life that made them successful or whatever.

[trim lily]

but the words sound smart

[sage temple]

I also hate how "character depth" is based off of how bad a character is treated

It's so irritating the way people use it

[leaden rivet]

It’s more of how tragic a characters story is

[sage temple]

Ooo this child was put in a blender and somehow survived

Amazing character depoth

[hasty sable]

Ah Noland the good colonist myth personified

[trim lily]

the more tragic your flashback is the more depth you have automatically

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-crying-gif-11014977166150637687

[fast pagoda]

I hate people who use dumb buzzwords bc they think it makes then sound smart

[distant vine]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[ornate tartan]

that’s what ppl claim nowadays😂

[leaden rivet]

Put an @

[tranquil blade]

I think people say that because they find it easier to find immediate depth within tragedy

[fast pagoda]

Nobody here is like that

[sage temple]

Yeah that's why idrc about that most of the time and I don't understand why people act like they're on a different dimension of living if they care more about character depth

[fast pagoda]

I see plenty of it on xitter tho

[sage temple]

The most performative thing in this fandom istg

And people start moving like Buddha once they start saying "man this guy has insane character depth"

[trim lily]

it’s definitely an easier thing to grasp than if a character is just evil

like people saying kaido had no depth to him cause his flashback was shorter

[hasty sable]

Who is the most complex One Piece character

[fast pagoda]

Yesss lol

[sage temple]

Idk it always seems idiotic to me

[leaden rivet]

Garp imo

[tranquil blade]

Archer has literally been saying that for the past week

[sage temple]

😭

[distant vine]

This fandom is definetly biased for a long flashback

[formal wagon]

yeah lol thats my issue with it as well.

[fast pagoda]

Its like the people who read their first popular Seinen manga and suddenly think they Aristotle

[urban lodge]

This flashback has solidified Garp for me as the best written character

[distant vine]

Any character work outside of a flashback is treated as lesser

[leaden rivet]

And he didn’t even need a tragic backstory

[somber flare]

Yeah Garp is good but the problem is the people who like him don't know why

[tranquil blade]

Berserk readers:

[ornate tartan]

Garp is a very well written character

[distant vine]

I know I know

👋

[hasty sable]

I would say he’s a good pick for Marineford but not God Valley imo

[ornate tartan]

Garp is also the source of the craziest slander

[sturdy steeple]

I remember when Fats asked me how I differentiate a well-written character from a bad one. Scratch that, how to tell if someone is well-written in general.
And I think I came up with an answer.
It’s just simply a matter of presentation. That’s it.
You can write 10x layers of in-depth character motives but if your presentation is a lacklustre that won’t matter in the end. It’s gonna end up being perceived as something shallow.

[hasty sable]

Marineford Garp is interesting

[tranquil blade]

Well most people don't like him either because of slander or because they think they're not allowed to like morally imperfect people

[ornate tartan]

Voice of Some Things😂

[sage temple]

Ussop is

[ornate tartan]

they be tearing garp up

[somber flare]

Some people conflate Garp slander with just actual facts

[sage temple]

I also hate how subjective character depth scaling is as well this is why I like powerscaling so much more

[ornate tartan]

ppl mostly hate him cause he’s weak or a coward, but out of the strawhats I agree

[lament geyser]

garp when he witness blatant slavery:🛌

[sage temple]

Oh wait yeah Garp is def top 1 in slander

[sturdy steeple]

That’s not something to be proud of, lil bro

[inner agate]

powerscaling ruined every piece of fiction

[distant vine]

There's not really characters in One Piece that just strike me as not well-written

[somber flare]

Like obviously the Oppress D. Slaves thing is joke but some people think that criticizing Garp's morals in any fashion is slander

[ornate tartan]

Powerscaling wasn’t that big back in the day

[sage temple]

Yeah because you're the jesus equivalent since you care more about character depth than powerscaling

I'm such a peasant

[inner agate]

abdullah and jeet are sooo well written

[sage temple]

I wish I could read the book as good as you do Keeperlion

[sturdy steeple]

Powerscaling is even worse because it caters to the principle of how much you like that certain character.

[hasty sable]

I think Kid is a bad character because his portrayal is at odds with his reception and his role in the story is unclear. You could excise him and not lose much if anything.

[sturdy steeple]

Even more so.

[hasty sable]

I say all that and I still like Kid

[distant vine]

Well I hate Rebecca but idk if I would say she's not well written exactly

[ornate tartan]

Did her constant flashbacks make u hate her?

[sage temple]

Not really, if I liked Ussop a lot that doesn't mean Ussop is stronger than anyone else on the crew

[ornate tartan]

the anime really stretched it out

[distant vine]

Kid I think doesnt match up to Luffy and Law but I dont think of that as not being well written

[dense haven]

any garling fans in chat

[distant vine]

But I could see why someone would think of it that way

[hasty sable]

Yeah!

[sturdy steeple]

Well, he’s a potential man of OP. That’s why I still like him.
He’s also pretty entertaining in terms of presentation.

[somber flare]

Nah 95% of powerscaling is thinking your favorite character is the best of all

[rose brook]

garling fans went extinct

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I’m not saying that applies to every case though.

[hasty sable]

I have a lot of reasons I like him but a lot of that is headcanon admittedly

[ornate tartan]

Current Garling is gonna be good character I think

the Gorosei one

[distant vine]

Garling fandom is on hiatus until he redeems himself in the present day

[fast pagoda]

This flashback made Garp a lot more interesting to me

[ornate tartan]

possibly with his own agenda

[sturdy steeple]

Just like most Zoro fans won’t say he’s the best written character because they subjectively think he’s the most entertaining.

[sage temple]

95% of powerscaling is literally based off of supporting evidence

[distant vine]

Depends

[somber flare]

If you're a fan of any holy knights you deserve all what's coming for you in terms of slander

[distant vine]

Like a lot of top tier scaling is vibes based

[sturdy steeple]

But that heavily affects how you perceive characters.
Greenbull is the weakest admiral for most because they didn’t like him doing a silly face when Shanks confronted the guy. That stuff.

[rose brook]

!powerscaling2

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1063816528778235975/EBDFA688-FA09-4A27-968B-B5D1AFCE4874.jpg

[sage temple]

I mean yeah it depends on who the powerscaler or characterscaler is in both cases

[ornate tartan]

spice who is your goat

[urban lodge]

Outdated ass command

[somber flare]

And usually powerscalers are too fucking stupid to actually apply that evidence objectively

[dense haven]

powerscaling is really easy if you have high iq like me

[distant vine]

He has a silhouette now so we gotta renew this

[hasty sable]

Tbh saying he’s a bad character isn’t accurate because I think Kid should have been awesome. But he’s mostly kept around because Oda made him part of the main trio. He doesn’t have a role in mind for Kid. Not even as a wild card.

Because Kid isn’t really a wild card

[lament geyser]

[dense haven]

as charater or powerscaling

[somber flare]

Wait why have I never seen this one before

I like it

[distant vine]

I think he's flawed but not like a drain on the story

[fast pagoda]

I will say I really liked seeing kid Blackbeard in this flashback

[ornate tartan]

for both

[distant vine]

So Id say flawed instead of badly written

[rose brook]

i like the other one more

[fast pagoda]

Knowing that scared kid becomes the monster we see today

[rose brook]

!powerscaling

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/1034873060886577253/unknown.png

[sage temple]

Yeah but I can say 95% of characterscalers will call any slave the greatest written character oat

[sturdy steeple]

I do think he has a role for him in mind though lol

[distant vine]

Actually, I can think of a straight up bad character

Kuro

[fast pagoda]

And weve never really seen Teach show vulnerability before

[sturdy steeple]

It’s just a drag getting there

[hasty sable]

He might but that it isn’t clear right now is an issue imo

[distant vine]

He may be the one guy where Im like "Yeah Oda failed"

[ornate tartan]

bro hell nah😂

[hasty sable]

At least we know what Law wants and where he fits into everything

Kid not so much

[ornate tartan]

u don’t have to have sad backstory to be well written

[lament geyser]

how did he even scar shanks

[sage temple]

This is exactly what most people call a well written character though

[jade rain]

It seems oda wanted kidd to play a major part in the story but law was the fan favourite and his wife also likes him so the plot armour went to law

[sage temple]

Like Kuma for example they call everything he does top 1 because he has a sob story

[distant vine]

Cringe "Anything can happen" coward vs Goated "I'll logic out who's most likely to win" scaler

[dense haven]

despite his current fraudulent behaviour in gv wb is still the best character, and joyboy is the top 1 strongest in history

[distant vine]

Kuma missed his popularity poll boost

[rose brook]

anything CAN happen tho

[distant vine]

Well, he'll still be higher on the next one but not as high as he could be

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I can see that. But I think him losing badly in his last encounter is the method to set him up for something.
Consider that moment something akin to Ace dying. We even got Demalo Black posing as Kid hinting his return. It’s like Sabaody accident all over again.

[lament geyser]

got smoked by BB but ok

[ornate tartan]

just like powerscaling a lot of ppl who do what u are referring to as characterscaling also are kind of biased towards characters they don’t like

[distant vine]

Yeah but people like to use that as an excuse to avoid talking about stuff

[sage temple]

Also I feel like powerscalers have a bad rep because there are just more of them which means more people to be more annoying when powerscaling

[ornate tartan]

it all depends on the person

[stone terrace]

Anything can happen but would you earnestly argue kizaru vs usopp

[somber flare]

Joyboy really 1 vs 20 and almost won

[rose brook]

stuff thats already talked about more than enough

[distant vine]

"Erm Oda decides who wins" Yes he decides everything but he doesnt throw a dart at a board

[jade rain]

He is still shown to have survived and escaped, look at kidd

[somber flare]

2 if you count Davy on his side

[dense haven]

that's why you decide on a best of 11 to decide who wins

[rose brook]

his kingdom was way more advanced

[fast pagoda]

Well obviously some characters are stronger than others

[sage temple]

Exactly and this is why powerscaling is better because it's more objective

[dense haven]

sure usopp could beat wb 1 out of 10

[jade rain]

Joyboy or imu is top 1, need to wait for Void century fb to decide

[fast pagoda]

He had giants, minks, t*ntatta 🤮, samurai, ancient giants, Lily, his crew, still lost

[formal wagon]

censor fail 😔

[rose brook]

strength doesnt always determine a fight

[somber flare]

yeah but they all suck

[ornate tartan]

they have a bad rep cause of the trolls on the most popular platforms like twitter and reddit etc. I don’t think powerscaling shipping characterscaling or whatever u like is bad, it’s the ppl who make it seem bad

[rose brook]

and its outcome

[tranquil blade]

With Joyboy expect that Rocks hype we saw in this flashback but ten times over

[formal wagon]

you've got to do backslashes to censor the words

[somber flare]

his robot was only useful when it used his shit

[sage temple]

You can't say "well obviously some characters are better written than others" to most people because it'll descend into an argument about what "well written" means

[fast pagoda]

Damn it

[formal wagon]

\ before the *'s

[formal wagon]

happens to the best of us

[sage temple]

True I can't say 1 group is better than the other

But shipping sneak.

Shippers will forever be bottom of the barrel

[ornate tartan]

most of it is headcanon

not supposed to take it way too serious

[sage temple]

Tru tru

Also anyone notice Loki was willing to die with a smile on his face?

[fast pagoda]

Shippers wipe Powerscalers

Sorry

[somber flare]

Loki one shot by hakiless gear 3 tap holy fraud

[sage temple]

.5 HP Loki by the way

Do we even know if Luffy actually hit him it looks like bro collapsed by himself to me

Anyone wanna bet and wait for the anime

https://tenor.com/view/mads-mikkelsen-poker-face-james-bond-casino-royale-le-chiffre-gif-4818311

[fast pagoda]

I'm ngl Loki would be terrifying irl

He's too big

He is hot though

[somber flare]

Must be so weird for normal giants who usually see everything else as tiny then seeing that guy towering over you

[wet condor]

They should be yelling constantly

[sturdy steeple]

Now imagine seeing Sanjuan

[wet condor]

When speaking to a giant, every human should have an exclamation point next to what they say

[sage temple]

Booktokers had a field day with him

[ornate tartan]

they already reached Loki😂

that’s some dedication

[sage temple]

I'm innocently scrolling looking for tiktok Loki fanart and I see this freaky ass mom writing this self-fantasy

[somber flare]

Nah but in one piece everyone has super hearing

[sage temple]

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

[wet condor]

With Loki there should be like 6 exclamation points

[frozen aspen]

booktok is reading op?

[somber flare]

you can hear somebody from like 1000 meters away on the sea

[wet condor]

Literally Luffy should be screaming for Loki to hear him if he's not like right on his shoulder

Even then

[urban lodge]

Booktok girls will save us from the agenda piecers

[pine scaffold]

I am never moving on from Rocks

even EOS

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-bigfellerjake-skippe-space-i-think-gif-26908844

rest in peace rocks

[pine scaffold]

The true hero of GV

[fast pagoda]

Seriously Lola missing out

[wraith mantle]

of one piece*

[steel stirrup]

FACTS

[ashen rose]

Exactly

[pine scaffold]

Toei is gonna go nuts with him

[ashen rose]

About her and Loki?

[pine scaffold]

Vincent already said hes his new fav character

[wet condor]

What is booktok

[sage temple]

Yes

[somber flare]

Rocks is low key just a poor man's Whitebeard for meatheads

[wraith mantle]

fuck it man make god valley a movie

or two movies

lets just go nuts

[steel stirrup]

Book club of TikTok users

[ashen rose]

Him and Loki, Vincent is going to have a field day with them

[urban lodge]

So fucking true

[sage temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPgslwamWw

[somber flare]

I still like him tho

[sage temple]

They already have

Ngl

[ashen rose]

He is like 26

[pine scaffold]

ROCKS.

[wet condor]

I'm old af

[somber flare]

But everything that's cool about him Whitebeard does 10x better

[pine scaffold]

not Loki

[steel stirrup]

Basically a humongous book club

[sage temple]

Yeah he's 21

[sage temple]

AH

I see

[pine scaffold]

Vincent said he loves Rocks

and Loki

[fast pagoda]

Truth nuke

[pine scaffold]

so hes gonna give them ultra glaze

[steel stirrup]

What a time to be alive