also-manga

[steel stirrup]

Wicked

[muted flame]

Its not cute just the normal one... Or do u wanna imply that is cute

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-imu-imu-one-piece-butterflies-flowers-gif-3419652870965976720

Worked for me

[native seal]

thats imu doing the speed laugh

[muted flame]

Cause ur at a higher level maybe

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[lofty fern]

Mostly it comes from the fact that Mu talks about themselves in the 3rd person, but that's moreso him talking as an old time royal to me

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[steel stirrup]

Nah Sakky got Hella haki too

Idk why it didnt work for him

[native seal]

mad haki

[steel stirrup]

But that one did

[native seal]

maybe that haki i just let out was a kidd flashlight tho shit didnt work

[steel stirrup]

Flashlight is sending me

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/eustass-kid-eustass-kid-haki-kid-haki-kid-onigashima-captain-kid-haki-gif-23957974

0 damage

[steel stirrup]

Fucking glowstick haki😭😭

[clear hollow]

when the slander is on your favorite character but it's hella funny so you just pull this move

[icy wolf]

Why did they even include this scene

[steel stirrup]

Im crying

[steel stirrup]

To give me something to laugh at

[icy wolf]

this isnt even canon bro its just to make fun of kidd

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/LuffyDram/status/1989351489572114761?s=20 wait this animation is kinda dogshit, i thought egghead was getting glazed for its animation?

𝕃𝕦𝕗𝕗𝕪𝕡𝕖 ☄️ (@LuffyDram)

That is something that EOS Luffy can do btw

X · Nov 14, 2025, 3:15 PM

[icy wolf]

hes acrually so ass

[steel stirrup]

In a still image its easy to pick it apart but the fluidity cannot be denied

[lofty fern]

To give Kid SOME show of haki. Oda actually never shows Kid use haki the entire arc

[steel stirrup]

They would've been better of not doing that tbh

[proud pivot]

brook

[steel stirrup]

Nami huh

Lmaoo

[proud pivot]

objectively

[icy wolf]

nothing ever went right for kuma bruh

just kept getting worse and worse

[native seal]

dont say it like that bruh 😭

[steel stirrup]

In a vacuum Nami went thru a lot but compared to the other SH she had it easy

[hasty sable]

Robin’s is the saddest for me

[lofty fern]

I think the one I actually cried the most for was the ASL flashback. That was gutwrenching for me

[weary kite]

Who yall think harald cuz ik damn well it wasnt loki

[urban lodge]

Wtf are you talking about Rich

She was basically a slave for 10 years

[ancient marsh]

The Animation is good, but there are moments where they do skip on it.

but i do find that they exagerate on special effects

[wraith mantle]

One piece is so peak we are getting various answers

Goda I kneel

[icy wolf]

i cant wait for brooks 2nd backstory this arc

[native seal]

kuma's backstory takes the cake for me in terms of sadness

[clear hollow]

is there a pattern in the releases of official coloured manga volumes?

[hasty sable]

Was it not implied Nami cut herself with her pens while drawing maps for Arlong

[lofty fern]

You mean, who killed Harald? It was Loki. He admitted as much. It's the reasoning we have to see more of

[steel stirrup]

And Robin watched her family die and was an 8 year old alone

Brook watched his crew die around him and then sat there alone for 50 years

Kuma couldn't catch a break even if Tom Brady thru it to him

[stone terrace]

Was 10x worse in wano

Theyve cut back thankfully

[weary kite]

Didnt he tell his brother that it wasnt him and thats hes dumb for bleaving that story

[urban lodge]

Trauma scaling

[frail kindle]

Anyone who doesn't say Kuma needs to reread his backstory cause that shit was sad as fuck

[steel stirrup]

Nami backstory is still sad but imo its not the saddest not even close

[stone terrace]

Kumas is so bad i heard the term misery porn for the first time

[icy wolf]

brook had it comically bad

[hasty sable]

It was sad. Robin is the most traumatic thing Oda has ever written though.

[steel stirrup]

THANK YOU😭😭

[lofty fern]

No, he said that he didn't kill him out of cold blood, but yeah at the same time he does admit to killing him

[icy wolf]

whole crew died and he had to stay on the ship for like 50 years or something

[wraith mantle]

Idk why oden is in there icl

[hasty sable]

As in for me personally

[icy wolf]

what even is this

what is this torture

[steel stirrup]

Alone

[native seal]

dawg i had to search that up

[hasty sable]

Not comparing trauma

[steel stirrup]

With no one to talk to

[forest jacinth]

[clear hollow]

Ikr

[lofty fern]

Because its sad

[native seal]

oden's tragic too

[steel stirrup]

Loki was on this planet for about 5 seconds before his mom decided to throw him away like a candy wrapper bruh

[icy wolf]

did oda forget brook is super fast or what

https://tenor.com/view/brook-running-on-water-one-gif-25112038

[native seal]

i got cooked the last time i said i would throw that baby too

so i aint sayin nun

[steel stirrup]

But you want me to feel bad for Nami

[ancient marsh]

I wouldn't be surprised and would even consider big foreshadow of him getting Domi Reversed.

[proud pivot]

why isnt Kaido here btw?

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[distant vine]

Those allegations arent fair btw

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[clear hollow]

brook hasnt gotten a single solo fight since Fishman💔

[wraith mantle]

Might as well put Zoros too

If we talking about kaido

[icy wolf]

would you even count that

[lofty fern]

What's sad about Kaido?

[steel stirrup]

Child soldier

Forced to wage war

[native seal]

LET ME GET KAIDOS BACKSTORY BRUH ITS TRAGIC AS HELL HOLD ON

[distant vine]

I'd only call something misery porn if it never had any positive outlook, and no OP flashback has that. Well, Loki seems cooked but Im sure he'll get a positive era soon enough.

[proud pivot]

he was a small fella, then he became a middle fella and then a big fella

[lofty fern]

He's about to get a whole secondary backstory, let Oda cook

[olive sigil]

He got a fight he just lost

[lofty fern]

And? He wants to wage war

[native seal]

https://vxtwitter.com/Leleo2211/status/1987319178857185581

Leo | Sengoatku No. 1 (@Leleo2211)

Nah don't worry we didn't forget Kaido's backstory

QRT: thenerdking215
Ngl I think this dude might be the stupidest person on Twitter and that’s saying something, did we forget kaidos entire backstory? Are you fucking good?

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 9, 2025, 12:39 AM

[steel stirrup]

Because its all he fucking knows

[icy wolf]

brooks the only strawhat without a proper fight and we are introduced to his child this arc🤔hmmmm i wonder if we will get a brook fight in elbaf hmmmmm

[native seal]

could make a grown ass man cry dawg

[ancient marsh]

thats pretty much part for the course on OP world

[ashen perch]

Loki's positive era is gonna be him gleefully burning down towns and leaving countries in ruin but yea

[lofty fern]

Yeah, and? Let him fight.

[hasty sable]

https://youtu.be/-TrSNqBKmpA?si=tyacO9YWd4XnHM7T twenty year old clip

[distant vine]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

also his future is gonna be pretty positive when he is properly freed I guess

[steel stirrup]

Lmao ok

[olive sigil]

We will get an emotional moment with Brook then Zoro Luffy or Sanji come in and fight

[alpine trench]

Nah he liked it

[steel stirrup]

Anyways

[lofty fern]

Not really enough to make us feel sorry for him

[ancient marsh]

like, Roger have both Buggy and Shanks as children in his crew and they are seen fightning lol

[steel stirrup]

He didnt get a chance to "like" anything else bro

[frail kindle]

Kuma was born and was almost immediately taken into slavery, his mom died and his dad was shot in front of him, the girl he loved was captured, experimented on and died, and he gave up his free will to cure his daughter of an incurable disease

[ashen perch]

well tbf, its not like he had anything else going on for him

[fervent fable]

Bonney gotta be the strongest 12 yo in one piece

[ancient marsh]

lol

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[ancient marsh]

i brainfarted there

[clear hollow]

He wasn't gunko's only opponent so idk if that would count

[hasty sable]

He was still a child soldier even if he did like it tbh

[steel stirrup]

Goddamn

[olive sigil]

Glexy please why would you remind me of this

[distant vine]

Loki had it rough but he had more chances for things to go well than Kuma did

[steel stirrup]

You mfs lacking empathy

[wraith mantle]

Dragon’s backstory ain’t sad

[lofty fern]

It's like how I was never sad at Doffy's backstory either. Them becoming horrible monsters kinda negates sympathy in me.

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-nacho-libre-its-for-fun-gif-22970105

[alpine trench]

I mean I agree that being a child soldier is bad but this doesn’t elicit empathy

[olive sigil]

That wasn’t a 1v1. I was thinking about the Linlin fight

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[proud pivot]

i think itll have sad elements

[native seal]

they got an animated version now

[ashen perch]

yeah, that fact in and of itself is pretty tragic, for a child to grow up knowing nothing but war

[clear hollow]

Oh mb

[distant vine]

It makes sense why Loki didnt take those chances but the chances were there nonetheless. Kuma's issues were always out of his control tho

[alpine trench]

Because Kaido ultimately reveled in that violence he inflicted

[steel stirrup]

A whole server full of non empathetic sociopaths bruh what are these takes im hearing😭😭

[proud pivot]

i dont want akainu to have a sob story too is all

[wraith mantle]

Oda gonna make the CDs kill his wife or something

[steel stirrup]

You mfs need Nika

[distant vine]

I dont want that haha

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah, we need to find out what happened to Ida

[distant vine]

I think God Valley is enough

[wraith mantle]

I only need allah

[native seal]

who tf is mosa

[hasty sable]

Kaido was exploited by his country and never had any other opportunities

[native seal]

samosa

[grand flower]

@ashen perch I’m bouta prove Jarul’s in love with Imu maybe

[native seal]

bruh

[hasty sable]

As a child even if he liked it that’s tragic

[ashen perch]

I felt pretty bad about Dragon when he was in tears about being unable to save Shanks/Sham, but there's gonna be more after it

[steel stirrup]

Wallahi they can't even empathize with Kadio bruh

[ashen perch]

oh okay

[clear hollow]

The guy loki talked to on the den den mushi

[frail kindle]

Ok this is my cue to leave

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-screaming-lebron-lebron-james-screaming-gif-5629213437781461656

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

thank you big bruh how could i have ever known

[alpine trench]

I’m not going to empathize with a war criminal bruh

[weary kite]

Maybe hes spittin

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[lofty fern]

Late night, Shuron?

[wraith mantle]

Yeah that shit was kinda sad
It’s pretty realistic to actually child soldiers irl

[grand flower]

Yall laugh now and you know what? That’s fine

[ashen perch]

well there was the older woman thing about him

[grand flower]

Cause I always laugh last

and I be laughing real loud

[ashen perch]

that he preferred women that are older than him, when they dont even exist

[muted flame]

Loner

[steel stirrup]

Thrse takes let me know how mfs would move irl

[native seal]

how u expect me to not laugh when you say jarul and imu are in love

[clear hollow]

What's that pfp😹😭

[grand flower]

A man

[lofty fern]

Jarul is loyal to his wife, rest her soul

[distant vine]

I cried a lot reading Kaido's flashback.

[ashen perch]

Imuko is the closest thing to it

[grand flower]

Hey how

[wraith mantle]

Shuron drinking at such an early hour

[grand flower]

I didn’t say that

[ashen perch]

?? it was in the series

oh

[lofty fern]

was it because of how bad it was?

[proud pivot]

facts, one of the deepest op characters

[steel stirrup]

He said Jarul is in love with Imu he didnt say it was mutual LMAOOO

[ashen perch]

Shuron is onto something though

[native seal]

oh its one sided

thats even funnier dawg

[steel stirrup]

Bruh

[ashen perch]

like I said, Imuko is the closest thing to Jarul's type

[grand flower]

Listen

[distant vine]

Nah I was lying just to placate Rich's feelings. I don't even remember having a reaction to it.

[wraith mantle]

But she’s a young lady

[grand flower]

If I can convince you

You gift me a month of nitro

[wraith mantle]

With an old soul

[grand flower]

Since Yall so confident

[native seal]

hold on now

[ashen perch]

800+ years old, it counts

[lofty fern]

Funny that Imuko's first order of business is killing Jarul

[steel stirrup]

Jarul likes older women but the nigga is 400 years old the only older person is Imu only hole i can poke is that Imu seems to be a man

[wraith mantle]

FBI gonna visit jarul after this whole conflict is resolved

[proud pivot]

imu will be a hot woman believers wya

[distant vine]

Please dont

Just have him be a black blob

[steel stirrup]

Please do

[distant vine]

I actually like that the most

[steel stirrup]

Give me my 900 year old immortal pure evil waifu

[ashen perch]

unless theres a secret 500 year old woman somewhere in the world, that whole thing must be leading towards him falling in love with Imuko

[lofty fern]

They really want the big-boobed Imu for some reason

[distant vine]

Kureha's great-grandmother

[native seal]

nobody would complain if that happened

[ashen perch]

black blob Imu isnt gonna be real unfortunately

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[distant vine]

Living in the Emerald City

[wraith mantle]

Is jarul the oldest giant on elbaf rn

[ashen perch]

he's gonna be a weird little creature

[distant vine]

My second choice is for him to look like a nerd

[ashen perch]

yeah, by far

[wraith mantle]

Big booty Latina Imu

[distant vine]

Like, a total dweeb

[wraith mantle]

Yall ain’t ready

[steel stirrup]

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[ashen perch]

he is the oldest uh, what do you call it

humanoid?

[native seal]

yall wilding now

[vale heath]

Brainstormed yesterday the idea Imu is a shadow cut from Imu’s real body by a previous user of the shadow fruit

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/rikiseren-gif-23632219

[vale heath]

This is my weird hill to die on

[steel stirrup]

I cant react to this you got me blocked bitch?

[ashen perch]

well my idea is actually that its Imu's clone type ability

[clear hollow]

when the void century lore is revealed, would luffy just sleep thru it or would he listen to something like that for the first time?

[distant vine]

I want Imu to look like this guy, spiritually speaking

[vale heath]

I’m convinced until shown otherwise

[distant vine]

If he's not a blob

[ashen perch]

shadow doppelman esque, string clone esque

[steel stirrup]

I dont think I've ever interacted with bro why am I blocked

Lmaooo

[fervent fable]

What one piece location would you live in

[clear hollow]

one piece's main antagonist being a funny looking dude would make alot of sense

[ashen perch]

thats why none of the attacks did anything, thats why he seemed so hollow from the inside

[distant vine]

Water 7

[clear hollow]

Spa Island

[ashen perch]

because it was a clone

[steel stirrup]

I was gonna give you props on your theory but since im blocked yo theory is trash

[forest jacinth]

[fervent fable]

Whole cake island for me

[proud pivot]

Dressrosa

[distant vine]

Democracy, and a beautiful place

[forest jacinth]

Water 7 is pretty cool

[native seal]

sky island, they gonna sink the world? do it bitch

[urban lodge]

Water 7 for sure

[ashen perch]

Shadow Doppelman was also just a "Silhouette", literally even in Japanese

[steel stirrup]

Big Mom gon take years off your life like taxes

[fervent fable]

With or without doffy

[wraith mantle]

What would you recommend

[ashen perch]

so Imu is using something like that here I think

[proud pivot]

Water 7 is good untill you get swallowed by the giant tsunami that hits it like every year

[steel stirrup]

Dr. Stone

[clear hollow]

rent a girlfriend

[proud pivot]

And it's only rising each year

[fervent fable]

Gotta become her husband

[steel stirrup]

Black Clover

[proud pivot]

Without doffy

[urban lodge]

Iceberg is gonna make the entire island float so it's ok

[distant vine]

This is Syrup Village

[steel stirrup]

Fairy Tail

[clear hollow]

That has alot of hype n aura moments

[olive sigil]

You could just live in one of the top levels

[ashen perch]

theres actually some but I am not gonna say it because it would reflect poorly on me

[fervent fable]

Sky island would be cool

[steel stirrup]

In your opinion maybe

[wraith mantle]

Since when do you care about public opinion

[ornate tartan]

disney world*

[ashen perch]

always

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[distant vine]

I was gonna ragebait and say Skypiea or Fish Man Island

[native seal]

fairy tail aint bad if you watch it before watching the big 3 like me

[distant vine]

But truthfully Syrup Village is the closest to no hype no writing

[proud pivot]

Rent gotta be crazy

[wraith mantle]

Fairy tail ain’t bad if you watch it before you turn 12

[stone terrace]

Aqua laguna = florida in september

[fervent fable]

Would live in Water 7 lowk for granny kokoro

[native seal]

wtf goin on in florida during september

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[native seal]

BRUH

[ashen perch]

but yea, Doppelman (影法師ドッペルマン, Dopperuman?, literally meaning "Silhouette")
Imu is using a Moria esque ability, thats why he looks like a black monster

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/underwater-hello-im-under-water-selfie-smile-gif-16028538

[steel stirrup]

You cooking rn

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/kokoro-forget-gif-18347264

[olive sigil]

Anything with a very long title that describes what happens in the story. That time I got reincarnated as a … and things like that

[wraith mantle]

I think I would enjoy living in dressrosa

[steel stirrup]

As long as I dont get one tapped by Sugar

[proud pivot]

Isn't she in jail

[wraith mantle]

What was the criteria for getting turned into a toy

[fervent fable]

Hordy jones is a descendant of davy jones?

[ashen perch]

yea, Nerona Imu gotta have a real appearance so I am sure the black monster thing is just Oda misleading us lol

[olive sigil]

Her touching you

[steel stirrup]

Dressrosa seemed nice tho ngl

[native seal]

ts aint happening

[steel stirrup]

Not sure

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo

[wraith mantle]

Nah what is that punishment for

[native seal]

new readers are safe because knowing what one piece is aint gonna do shit cause there's gonna be such a build up to even know what it means

[ashen perch]

only thing stopping that spoiler is Shueisha

[steel stirrup]

Everyone with a manga role gotta get muted in anime

[fervent fable]

God valley imu design is goofy

[proud pivot]

Current dressrosa is the best place to live in in Onepiece

Imo

[fervent fable]

What about Impel down

[olive sigil]

Anything that goes against the doffy family probably

[clear hollow]

Why no one saying Marijoa

[urban lodge]

Well the country got like almost entirely destroyed

[ashen perch]

eh, I like it, with clearer features, it would be a pretty great design even

[wraith mantle]

Yeah see I am a law abiding citizen

[steel stirrup]

I am not

[wraith mantle]

I won’t get punished

[olive sigil]

Yuck

Please don’t say that

[proud pivot]

C tier

[ashen perch]

contrasting with G5, which is all white, Imu being all black makes sense

but he doesnt have physical features which looked weird in GV lol

[steel stirrup]

That reminds me

This last episode

[wraith mantle]

I wonder if we will ever see Imu smile or laugh

[steel stirrup]

Was that like an artistic representation of Icarus or was that Joyboy falling down

[clear hollow]

i wish i had image perms so i could send an edited version of the "he laughed" panel but it's imu instead

[ashen perch]

I havent seen it but that whole thing was about VP himself so it was probably an artistic representation

[steel stirrup]

Lemme see if I can find it

[pine scaffold]

Do u guys think we will ever learn about their history

[grand flower]

Walk yoi talking about Arsal

[urban lodge]

No

[native seal]

i want buggy back already bro its always hilarious when he's there

[steel stirrup]

Hope so

[urban lodge]

Proof that Luffy is evil

[steel stirrup]

I cant find it without it being on a reactor channel

[pine scaffold]

Well that's shit writing!

[proud pivot]

Oda is a hack so no

[pine scaffold]

The only interaction we seen from Roger/Rocks is the Shakky stuff

we need to see more

[native seal]

the shit writing already happened sb

[urban lodge]

I mean...

Nvm

[fervent fable]

Nefertari D buggy the king of the world

[steel stirrup]

Seems like theres some history there

[native seal]

roger tearing up for rocks would hit 10x more if they showed more interaction between them

[pine scaffold]

WHATS WITH THE STRAWBERRY NAMES

[steel stirrup]

I find it hard to believe that Roger pulling up to Hachinosu was the first time he ever met bro

[proud pivot]

Dw toei will add their past interactions in Rogers tears

[urban lodge]

I was gonna ask about the strawberries

[native seal]

head butting at a bar and calling him porcupine? 😭 aw hell naw

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

Bro theres gotta be more history there

[native seal]

there is, oda just didnt have time

[ashen perch]

oh just the thing we talked about the other day, that I think Imu isnt physically here in GV, he is using some kind of satellite/clone/projection thing that is similar to Doffy's string clone/Moria's Doppelman

[pine scaffold]

I would happily sacrifice some of the Shakky stuff for a Roger and Rocks first meeting

[ashen perch]

ofc

[steel stirrup]

On my immortal soul

[ashen perch]

I think it was just not the time for it yet

[proud pivot]

Anyone would

[grand flower]

Well yeah

He manifested thru Saturns Hody

Body

[native seal]

BRO I AINT LETTING YALL FORGET THAT THE WORLD ECONOMY HALTED BECAUSE OF SHAKKYS KIDNAPPING

BRUH 😭

[steel stirrup]

Saturn's Hody lmaoo

[pine scaffold]

Yeah I think we do need to see this at some point

It's an important part of Roger's character

[steel stirrup]

Dumbest shit I've ever heard

I wasn't a fan of that ngl

[native seal]

bro that shit was hilarious

[proud pivot]

I couldn't care less about this bro 😭 Shakky looked mid as fuck too

[ashen perch]

yea, ppl are using Roger's comment about his appearance as a confirmation that he is a black blob though but he can look like that to them regardless

[steel stirrup]

The whole world crashing out over a strong 7 is wild

[ashen perch]

just gotta wait for his individual flashback, it will come I am sure

[steel stirrup]

Praise Nika

[urban lodge]

I'd gladly sacrifice that if it means we never see Rocks again

[ashen perch]

GV went like I feared it would, where Oda was hesitant to show too much too early, so every piece of dialogue had to be vague and every interaction lacking context

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-elsa-disney-disney-princess-queen-gif-3597315

[clear hollow]

So we getting a GV 2.0?

[ashen perch]

I still liked it but this is how it was always gonna be if Oda was gonna show it right now

[ashen perch]

nah

[steel stirrup]

Nah I'm good

[ashen perch]

just the context surrounding it, we'll get more of that later lol

like Roger's relationship with Rocks, him meeting Eris, how he got to know everything that he knew, etc

[pine scaffold]

if we get another GV flashback with yet more retcons

[ashen perch]

oh and whatever happens to Eris after this

[pine scaffold]

I'm tapping out

[alpine trench]

Only you’d be stupid enough to assume we’ll get one more

[ashen perch]

retcons were really not an issue lol

[pine scaffold]

I dont believe we will

I said if

[clear hollow]

Kinda disappointing, the female characters at GV did not get much dialogue or any significance

[pine scaffold]

BM was a major player during GV

[ashen perch]

its silly to complain about something as minor as 6 chests being turned into 9, or the absence of Shakky on stage when she could have been walked to it later

[steel stirrup]

Let it end

[ashen perch]

the missing HKs were kinda wild though lol

[urban lodge]

Loda

[pine scaffold]

people told me Garling would get back up lol

[steel stirrup]

I was hoping to see what the Yeti dude could do

[pine scaffold]

every week

[clear hollow]

I mean except her, stussy n gloriosa did nun

[ashen perch]

well not those HKs, the ones that didnt even show up AT ALL

[tough igloo]

not even gloriosa even though out of everybody who came to god valley for shakky , Gloriosa was the closest to her 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[steel stirrup]

Give me more Maffey

[clear hollow]

Ikr man

[pine scaffold]

Nah shes ass

she got sliced in half by WB not even realising she was there

😭

[clear hollow]

her design was very cool

[steel stirrup]

Tall Godzilla lady go brrrr

[ashen perch]

its not a big deal lol

[wraith mantle]

Loki needs to carry this show after rocks

[ashen perch]

its like a logia being cut

[tough igloo]

lol Oda said fuck the kuja pirates , it’s all about these horny pirates saving shakky

[pine scaffold]

He's gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting tbh

hes got big shoes to fill

[steel stirrup]

Gloriosa not contributing to Shakkys rescue at all was a fumble

She couldve at least kicked a nigga or two out the way for Rayleigh

[tough igloo]

didn’t even get screen time lol

[urban lodge]

Loki will aura farm for 2 chapters and then get domi reversi'd

[wraith mantle]

He’s got potential but you right, very big shoes to fill

[steel stirrup]

Got her crying her heart out but she didnt do shit to save shawty

[ashen perch]

most characters were treaed poorly in GV really. Well, they were barely even there

[urban lodge]

I had zero expectations and was still disappointed lol

[tough igloo]

lol oda had all these unknown horny pirate crews show up to save shakky but not even the Kuju Pirates aka the crew who is like Shakky family

[clear hollow]

At least we got Captain John aura moments

[pine scaffold]

Yikes yall did not like GV huh

😭

[urban lodge]

Roger and Garp were awesome

At least

[steel stirrup]

I was bouta say you gotta be present to be treated poorly them niggas stop existing for a sec

[wraith mantle]

It’s only penny and arsal

[pine scaffold]

Do u guys think Oda is gonna do this with the void century flashback

[ashen perch]

I just said I liked it, but it was what I expected and why I was not in favor of it happening here

[steel stirrup]

Penny don't like anything good

[vestal heath]

Good morning

[tough igloo]

if this wasn’t the final saga i wouldve said he gonna save it for years later but with how he been moving in the final saga, i wouldn’t be surprised if next arc we got more lore on it .. we got VC lore in Egghead & Elbaf back to back

[steel stirrup]

Gm Roman

[proud pivot]

Tbf gv was a solid 7, it's not all that great

[wraith mantle]

Why is there an exclamation mark in your name

[urban lodge]

Too generous

It's like a 5

[steel stirrup]

I liked it a lot

[ashen perch]

Oda wasnt committed to showing it in full, cant wait for his "every chapter would have 60 pages if I was committed to showing all of Marineford God Valley" statement

[vestal heath]

Cuz why not?

[ashen perch]

so my theory is confirmed

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[urban lodge]

And before all the people who don't understand scores come for me 5 is average

[vale heath]

Why is there not an exclamation mark in your name, huh?

[wraith mantle]

You just want your name to show up at the top of the list on the right don’t you

[vestal heath]

[steel stirrup]

4D Chess

[tough igloo]

lol Holy Knights really got a cool ass double spread just to do absolutely nothing .. i wonder how many of them still HKs or just retired lol

[steel stirrup]

Holy Roppo

[ashen perch]

they were just young and inexperienced

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOO

[pine scaffold]

I'm gonna be brutally honest, showing the HK like this makes me uninterested in their future

[native seal]

we still have 1 more chapter dont lose hope taurus holy knight believers

[steel stirrup]

Im supposed to be afraid of these niggas?

Lmaoooo

[wraith mantle]

What’s Taurus mean

[steel stirrup]

Bull

[pine scaffold]

You'd think GV would hype the HK's up, showing how much of a threat they can be

Makes present days events much more intense with stakes

but nope

[ashen perch]

its been 38 years, I am actually excited to see their present designs now. They are all gonna be as old as the Admirals I bet.

[steel stirrup]

We can't have nice tings

[wraith mantle]

Oh the masked hk

[native seal]

they were always supposed to be rev commander victims

[tough igloo]

yeah i just view them as the tobi roppo of the WG now .. absolutely no expectations for them .. now i understand and believe the theory that they’re just set up to be Rev Commanders opponents

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/he-aintlyin-preach-truth-facts-tho-gif-15825744

[ashen perch]

unless you think Lindberg is gonna have ACoC, no

[pine scaffold]

Killingham is still a force to be reckoned with

[grand flower]

Me Valley isn’t over yet

[tough igloo]

i’m way more interested and impressed with the seraphim’s than i am the holy knights

[urban lodge]

Holy knights discourse is so annoying

[steel stirrup]

Thats where you fucked up at see

Because i do

[native seal]

nothing is stopping my goated commanders from chucking them into the water

[grand flower]

Fishman Karate and Dragon Claw will counter them

[ashen perch]

true

[pine scaffold]

This even applies to Shamrock for me as well

I think at best hes admiral level

[craggy vapor]

yea at this point even the Kung Fu Dugongs got more screen time in

[steel stirrup]

Dragon Claw shutting all that shit down

[ashen perch]

but it unironically is gonna come down to what I said, all the HKs were young and inexperienced in GV

[wraith mantle]

I think Oda is trying to say something by not focusing on the holy knights in gv
They may not be that strong a force, especially in the presence of monsters like rocks Roger Garp Imu

[clear hollow]

I wanna see Garp vs Garling lowk

[steel stirrup]

Idgaf if they were fresh and fruity like Rooty Tooty them niggas is TRASH

[ashen perch]

and now they are going to be in their late 50s, early 60s, with proper experience

[wraith mantle]

Sommers got fucked up regardless

[wide star]

they were always set up to be Rev Army victims , they were introduced by the Revs & we were told a Rev is their #1 target .. it’s only some fans tried to insanely upscale them beforehand lol and now they disappointed

[steel stirrup]

Why would you want to see a one sided murder

[pine scaffold]

the fight ends in one chapter

[ashen perch]

by Gaban, and he did block multiple attacks

[pine scaffold]

one panel

[steel stirrup]

One panel fym

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[ashen perch]

this is true but not in the way you think...

[pine scaffold]

prime garp is one tapping Garling

[wide star]

easily

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/garp-galaxy-impact-one-piece-one-piece-garp-garp-chujou-gif-15005016597479083076

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-gif-23860185

[ashen perch]

oh prime

[pine scaffold]

yeah prime

u gotta agree with that

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO Arsal stop it

[ashen perch]

Prime Garp and Prime Garling? nah

[clear hollow]

i meant current garp vs gorosei garling

[wide star]

Seraphim’s > Holy Knights and it’s not even close for me honestly

[steel stirrup]

2 panels

[ashen perch]

but that GV Garling? sure

[urban lodge]

Thinking back on it even a 5/10 might be too high

[ashen perch]

lmao

[steel stirrup]

2 and a half panels

[pine scaffold]

Here's how I see it:

Imu > gorosei > admirals > Seraphim > Holy knights > Cipher Pol

[craggy vapor]

Holy Knights are weak because they can rely on their regen

[tough igloo]

of course , seraphims also have WAYYY more potential than HKs and haven’t took any Ls in combat yet even though they’ve fought against yonkos and yonko commanders

[steel stirrup]

That aint my fault

[clear hollow]

Who do yall think uses a named attack first, dragon or mihawk?

[ashen perch]

Seraphim are Bubble Gun victims

[tough igloo]

sad that’s the only way to stop them even though you had a whole yonko crew around

unlike holy knights who would’ve just got beat up

[clear hollow]

Strawhats more like Bumhats

[steel stirrup]

Seastone bubbles and they're fruit users

Lowkey a nerf

Without that how would you contain them if they broke programming

[ashen perch]

the Bubble Gun didnt actually work on Saturn so eh, I doubt the HKs would be much different

[tough igloo]

bubble gun would work on luffy or any other DF user lol that don’t change the fact they still better than HKs in combat

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

Yall cope more than iPad kids

[urban lodge]

Are they better or is their gimmick even more bullshit?

[tough igloo]

they’re better

better fighters , better genes

[steel stirrup]

Allat

[ashen perch]

better how lol

[craggy vapor]

Mihawk is so strong he doesn’t need named attacks

[steel stirrup]

They can DODGE

[urban lodge]

So can the holy knights

They just don't

[steel stirrup]

Show me

[urban lodge]

That's an established thing

At least Wunko can

[tough igloo]

we saw seraphims fight against 2 yonkos (luffy & teach ) as well as zoro and took no Ls or damage .. if that was holy knights , they’re cooked lol

[ashen perch]

BB also made quick work of S Hawk with black hole, Zoro and Luffy fought em off once they realized how the gimmick worked, they were deployed against some of the other warlords too who also got away from them

[steel stirrup]

Sommers got snuck up on by Robin who wasnt tryna be stealthy at all these niggas are trash

[iron oriole]

Damn Rich... you need evidence of the most basic of shit?

[ashen perch]

lmao what

[urban lodge]

Reread egghead

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[tough igloo]

he didn’t make quick work lmao wtf when he used black hole s hawk left him and went to go attack kuja pirates

[clear hollow]

how many chapters would Elbaph approximately would be?

[urban lodge]

It's literally an established fact that they don't dodge because they don't need to

[tough igloo]

you could say the same with seraphim’s

they don’t need to dodge lol

[steel stirrup]

And when the regen gets bypassed they get one tapped

I dont wanna hear ts

[urban lodge]

What

[steel stirrup]

Garling

Sommers

Sommers again

[urban lodge]

Sommers didn't even get one tapped

He blocked multiple acoc attacks even

While Gaban was in a hurry

[steel stirrup]

Rayleigh sent him thru the wall like Wiley Coyote bruh wym

[ashen perch]

this must have been an anime thing lol

[urban lodge]

Oh god valley lol

[steel stirrup]

And he didn't come back

[urban lodge]

Well yeah that's how flashback fights work

[clear hollow]

i guess after GV, the HKs realise that they gotta step up their game or smth like that

[steel stirrup]

Garbage

[ashen perch]

because S hawk disappears after Black Hole, meaning he was defeated

[steel stirrup]

!cook

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[tough igloo]

no in the manga you see S hawk go attack kuja pirates afterwards and koby tells them to stop before they hurt marines who have been turned to stone

Teach didn’t defeat S Hawk

he just got him to leave him alone with black hole

[steel stirrup]

He was in a hurry

Exactly

And he still beat him with zero effort

[urban lodge]

It wasn't zero effort if he has his attacks blocked

[steel stirrup]

Blocked?

He lost an arm

😭😭

[urban lodge]

Brother

[steel stirrup]

How is that a block

[urban lodge]

Did you not read the fight

He blocked after he got his arm cut even

[ashen perch]

iirc, there was no sword on that Seraphim, so it must have been S Snake

[steel stirrup]

LMAOO

[ashen perch]

yes Sommers blocks multiple attacks from Gaban

[steel stirrup]

His thorns blocked

[ashen perch]

???

is that not

[steel stirrup]

He didnt block shit

[ashen perch]

thats Sommers man

[steel stirrup]

And then he immediately got his torso cut in half

[urban lodge]

Rich you can't be serious

[steel stirrup]

As a heart attack

[proud pivot]

Hey dm

[steel stirrup]

I haven't seen anything other than the regen that would suggest these niggas are top tier in any way shape form or fashion

[proud pivot]

Rq

[ashen perch]

I dont know what to tell you lol, we saw how his armament coated thorns blocked an ACOC swing from Gaban, and then we saw him parry yet another attack

oh okay

[iron oriole]

LMFAO

[wraith mantle]

Holy knights are a disappointment through and through

[urban lodge]

And that's after losing his arm

[wraith mantle]

Idk why dragon is scared of them

[strong wadi]

no, this goes against my sommers' slander

[steel stirrup]

You say that as if I'm meant to be impressed

[urban lodge]

That's the left hand of the pirate king

[steel stirrup]

Or as if that will change how i feel

[urban lodge]

And he snuck Sommers

[tough igloo]

it’s S Hawk that’s why Koby says “ he”

[digital spear]

This looks like Gaban is scratching the armament haki off of Sommers thorns

[ashen perch]

weird, where did the sword go lol

[iron oriole]

You can tell from the outfit anyway

[craggy vapor]

cuz he got penetrated by one

[urban lodge]

What

[steel stirrup]

Because of the regen thats it thats all thats the entire list

[ashen perch]

but still, for BB to get away from S Hawk, he must have been defeated for a bit atleast

[wraith mantle]

Ye makes sense
The revs are bums I doubt they have good haki

[steel stirrup]

Only one worth a damn is Gunko

Killingham squeezes by on his DF

[wraith mantle]

Gunko don’t count

Shes more than an hk

[steel stirrup]

Shamrock has only attacked a restrained Loki so hes looking like hes gonna go the route of his pappy and be trash

[ashen perch]

the HK slander is some of the most ill-founded slander I have seen, but same fandom slandered Dragon too so its not a surprise

[steel stirrup]

Im more afraid of his sword than I am of him

[iron oriole]

Those that call them fodder are the funniest

[wraith mantle]

Maffey got lowdiffed by accident

[steel stirrup]

I take this back

His sword did all the work

That boy is definitely trash

[wraith mantle]

Even Oda is trying to tell us they trash

[ashen perch]

not at all?

[urban lodge]

Man...

[ashen perch]

he was trying to open the path to rescue Dragon

it was convenient, but that was the whole intent there

[urban lodge]

Loses to the 2nd strongest person on the planet = trash

[wide star]

lol Koby realizing first hand that the seraphims out of control

[ashen perch]

its as irrelevant as Kizaru being split in half by Apoo

[steel stirrup]

Them niggas are trash Kierran

[iron oriole]

[ashen perch]

again, Logia intangibility 2.0, this is the whole idea

[iron oriole]

Stop it Rich, you're ragebaiting fr

[steel stirrup]

I'd rather Oda just give Logias more love

[wraith mantle]

That was his main intent
But there can be secondary intents

[ashen perch]

there arent

[leaden rivet]

To be fair big mom also almost got low diffed by accident. She admitted that Whitebeard could’ve one shotted her with that attack.

[ashen perch]

she was just being petty, we know slashes do nothing to her

[wide star]

nah he just ran away lol he probably wasn’t dumb enough to sit there when he saw that darkness

[steel stirrup]

I am thoroughly unimpressed

I was on board when they first showed up

Disappointment after disappointment

[wraith mantle]

Ok I can’t slander linlin so I retract my maffey slander

[leaden rivet]

Slashes do something to her. Of course they do.

[strong wadi]

Meanwhile Oda saying the exact opposite 🧘‍♂️

[steel stirrup]

I dont want to say these things

But these are my observations

You think i WANT the final villains to be trash?

[urban lodge]

Your observations are trash

[steel stirrup]

Coming from you thats a high compliment

[wraith mantle]

Oda is just washed

[ashen perch]

no they dont, she has never been physically stabbed by anything lol

[wraith mantle]

30 years in the business he’s due

[ashen perch]

Oda isnt washed and your observations are just meme brained and not rooted in actual reality

[leaden rivet]

Because no one relevant has stabbed her? This line of reasoning doesn’t make sense.

[urban lodge]

We're giving you evidence and you're going "nuh uh"

[leaden rivet]

Do you think Mihawk can’t cut big mom at all?

[steel stirrup]

Okay I concede

He blocked a few attacks

He is still trash to me

[ashen perch]

no I mean it was literally said about her, that she has never been physically pierced by anything

[wraith mantle]

Dragon only scared if these niggas because of regen

[craggy vapor]

anybody see this? https://youtu.be/xpXlUjD-wWE

[ashen perch]

I believe in BM>Mihawk so I dont know what to tell you on that one Illya

[leaden rivet]

Im saying it doesn’t matter unless someone who is relevant in strength has attempted to do so. And as far as we know nope.

[leaden rivet]

You can believe that. But do you think Mihawk just gets no diffed and can’t damage her at all?

[steel stirrup]

He could've had them dodge and block a few attacks and then get caught lacking

Or show off the regen with a sneak attack

Sommers only W so far is Saul and a bunch of children

[iron oriole]

Its very clear that they are going to be a major threat... we've had the Supreme Commander become a Gorosei now... unless you think the Gorosei are also fodder trash?

Regen is a big gimmick for them yes & plays into their arrogance & is reason as to why they just tank attacks (Saturn literally said if he wanted he can dodge, same applies for the other Gorosei & HK too... dodging is a simple thing) but that doesn't make them fodder trash

[leaden rivet]

Mihawk’s sword just bounces off her skin?

[ashen perch]

she eats it Jozu style

[steel stirrup]

Saturn is your example?

[leaden rivet]

Girl

[steel stirrup]

LMAOO

[urban lodge]

But Rich, again, it's literally established that they don't dodge because they don't need to

[leaden rivet]

Be serious

[ashen perch]

did you speedread that

[iron oriole]

Damn cant even use any example for Rich

[wraith mantle]

My only hope for the god knights to be an actual respectable faction is if Sommers is just the blueno of the HKs

[iron oriole]

He just turns it around

"Aha you use Saturn? That trash as example?"

[leaden rivet]

I have no idea what rich is arguing about but it’s kinda funny that everyone’s disagreeing with him

[iron oriole]

Such bad faith

[steel stirrup]

You talking to a brick wall rn ima be honest

[ashen perch]

the example is important, it doesnt matter if its Saturn, the whole idea with regen users is that they dont want to dodge

because they dont HAVE to

[strong wadi]

Mihawk will hurt her with internal destruction mostly, not the cuts

[ashen perch]

yeah

[iron oriole]

Alright np, that says all i need to know

[steel stirrup]

Agree to disagree

Them dudes trash

[iron oriole]

Rich D Hater fr fr

[ashen perch]

this is just meme brain

[steel stirrup]

No memes

[iron oriole]

I 100% believe Rich is just ragebaiting now

[wraith mantle]

You can call it meme brain all you want

[steel stirrup]

Bruh why is it hard to believe that i am unimpressed

[leaden rivet]

I dont agree at all. But it’s not like I can prove I’m right or you’re wrong so I’ll just say Ok.

[strong wadi]

Weakest holy knight on Elbaf shown thus far is like YC1 minimum

[wraith mantle]

But it’s reality

You just too stubborn

[strong wadi]

i mean, as the latest chapter would say, she gonna be defending with CoC as well

[wraith mantle]

Zoro fans will come for you

[steel stirrup]

You lost me at YC1

[wraith mantle]

Man I miss Zoro fans

[ashen perch]

yea for sure

[leaden rivet]

Regen makes characters hard to scale because they just beat anyone without coc

[strong wadi]

Then read better, idk what to tell you 🤷‍♂️

[steel stirrup]

This also implies that every Yonko commander is equal in power to each other

[leaden rivet]

Ok time to read what rich has been saying

[strong wadi]

ok, again, im gonna tell you to read better cause that doesnt mean that whatsoever lmao

[urban lodge]

Saturn is actually the perfect example

[steel stirrup]

What does it mean then

Yc1

[iron oriole]

TLDR
HKs & Gorosei are trash, regen merchant, fodder

[steel stirrup]

When you refer to someone as being YC1 level

[ashen perch]

I think Sommers is stronger than Sanji and Zoro

[steel stirrup]

What does that mean to you exactly

[leaden rivet]

Well trash is relative

[strong wadi]

so being an admiral means they're all equal? Being a yonko means all 4 are equal?

[wraith mantle]

Elders are not fodder
Don’t they have acoc?

[leaden rivet]

Trash as in they’re tobbi roppo level threats? lol

[golden valley]

For now

[leaden rivet]

Or trash as in they didn’t meet his expectations

[steel stirrup]

Im saying they are not all equal

[ashen perch]

so I guess thats where my YC1 ranking comes from, him being stronger than them

[strong wadi]

Yeah, and I never said they were

[ashen perch]

end of Elbaf, they are gonna be stronger yea for sure

[leaden rivet]

Sommers being stronger than zoro is very debatable to me. Zoro imo thus far has been more impressive.

[golden valley]

Zoro loses

Simply because no regen counter

[steel stirrup]

But if yoi have a level known as Yonko Commander that implies that every Yonko Commander is equal to each other in some way to be regarded on the same "level"

[ashen perch]

but if thats the weakest HK, which I think it is, then the rest of the HKs are gonna be good

[leaden rivet]

None of the admirals do either. Wouldn’t that make them all weaker than Sommers also?

[golden valley]

I think admirals have incaps

[leaden rivet]

Is that like a new word recently added to the English language

[icy wolf]

i think they're all like yc3-yc1 strength probably

[steel stirrup]

I hate Akainu's guts but he destroying every last atom of these mfs

[hasty sable]

Zoro is definitely way stronger than Sommers

[strong wadi]

It's almost like people say YC1, YC2, YC3, etc etc. Just like how people have yonko on the same tier even if they don't think they're all equal. How the hell do you have 90k messages in this server and you somehow don't understand how people in anime communities do ranking systems

[golden valley]

Like Fujitora being able to just toss them into oceans, restrain them or GB just draining them

[hasty sable]

It’s literally just the regen that’s a problem

[leaden rivet]

No coc?

[golden valley]

Short for incapacitated

[hasty sable]

Sanji would probably also demolish any of the knights on the island

[golden valley]

Akainu needs CoC for them

[iron oriole]

Gunko clears

[steel stirrup]

If I'm being honest with myself he probably does

[golden valley]

I already assume he has it

[urban lodge]

Oda showed that Sommers is a very capable fighter even disregarding regen

[hasty sable]

Oh yeah not Gunko lol

[iron oriole]

No regen needed

[leaden rivet]

It’s kinda funny that you searched his name in this server before making this point

[hasty sable]

Sommers isn’t weak but he’s not Zoro

[strong wadi]

I mean, if they were a new user, i'd understand the confusion 🤷‍♂️

[leaden rivet]

Gunko on the other hand I think is around as strong as Gaban

[hasty sable]

He’s a Jobi Roppo equivalent

[leaden rivet]

Is that insane?

[golden valley]

Thats insane

[hasty sable]

I mean kind of honestly lol. Gaban is comparable to Rayleigh.

[golden valley]

Yes

[leaden rivet]

She’s been shown to be faster + she has regen

[steel stirrup]

I understand ranking systems im implying that you are doing it wrong

[golden valley]

If Gunko is there and not Sommers, thats insane

[ashen perch]

well Gunko did beat Gaban, outsmarted him though

[iron oriole]

Gunko is faster than Gaban & she can tie her enemies up

[golden valley]

Sommers showed he can match Gaban’s ACoC attacks

[strong wadi]

So if I make a tierlist, put Kaido, BM, Shanks, and BB all on a "yonko" tier, I'm saying they're all equal?

[iron oriole]

Gabans future sight shown us this

[ashen perch]

Sommers blocking those ACoC attacks from Gaban was very impressive though, him losing doesnt really invalidate that

[urban lodge]

Yooooo new "faster and can freeze his opponents" just dropped

[leaden rivet]

Yeah. Pre colon kidnap she just almost moves much faster than Gaban

[steel stirrup]

Idk are you?

I don't know how you think

[leaden rivet]

So speed wise she definitely has the advantage

[strong wadi]

I mean, based off your rationale, that's exactly what it means.

[steel stirrup]

Just because you believe this works one way doesn't mean thats the correct way it just means you think you're right

[strong wadi]

Well I'm asking you

[golden valley]

I think Sommers has more raw power and strength than Gunko

[iron oriole]

Holy shit

[golden valley]

Gunko is faster

[steel stirrup]

Who cares what I think?

[golden valley]

And more tricky

[strong wadi]

Ok, so basically you admit you're wrong because you won't answer the question

[ashen perch]

Gunko is faster and also trickier

[leaden rivet]

I agree. But Gunko is faster, has regen and is more versatile due to her fruit.

[ashen perch]

yea

[steel stirrup]

Nah im not wrong but i know better than to yell at a wall I was just the wall myself

[ashen perch]

feel like she could have just had his attacks diverted away from her even if she didnt have Colon tbh

[leaden rivet]

Im not saying she beats him, I still do think Gaban wins. But I think they’re in the same tier.

[ashen perch]

so thats where Gunko has an advantage over Gaban

[steel stirrup]

Gaban and Gunko?

[leaden rivet]

Yes

[golden valley]

Sommers track record is just being off guarded by legends when he’s fighting the people who can actually do something to him

[steel stirrup]

Yea I can buy that

[golden valley]

Imo, I don’t Sommers is a fraud or anything

[steel stirrup]

Current Gaban

[urban lodge]

That's another thing, he's always getting snuck

[leaden rivet]

Isn’t the point of your argument that the HK are trash? (I don’t know because I’ve mostly missed what you’ve said)

[steel stirrup]

Turn ya observation haki on

[golden valley]

If Rocks got snuck by someone who can cut off his arm, his performance is getting nerfed easily

That’s essentially what happened to Sommers

Against Gaban

[steel stirrup]

I have said that Gunko is not trash

The rest, take it or leave it

[leaden rivet]

Didn’t nerf shanks did it

[ashen perch]

if he does end up fighting Sanji, thats gonna be his shot to look stronger than somebody for once lol

[golden valley]

I cant escape that rat 🥲

[strong wadi]

If you made a tier list, would you only put characters that you consider equal in the same tier?

If yes, Let's say you made a tier list including 100 characters. Would you then create, idk, 70+ tiers just to show that?

[golden valley]

Shanks being someone capable of fighting efficiently with one arm does sound like an Oda glaze thing

[ashen perch]

because usually he has just been snuck on by people that are also just stronger than him, so he is in disadvantage, thats all. I agree that he isnt some fraud either

[leaden rivet]

And it’s his dominant arm he lost which is funny

[golden valley]

Eris comments on how Rocks fighting one-handed restricts him

[leaden rivet]

But in the end what matters is haki I guess

[golden valley]

Like bruh

GV is a Shanks upscale

Can the glaze end

[golden valley]

Yeah

[urban lodge]

Prepare yourself for Shanks soloing the entire BBPs before losing to some bs while you have time

[golden valley]

Sanji vs Sommers is a good fight

[steel stirrup]

An L is an L

[leaden rivet]

I’ve mentally prepared for this. I don’t even care anymore as long as he loses.

[iron oriole]

I want him to fight Killingham so badly, please Oda give us a sleeptid of Sanji as a call back to Wano & Sanji being afraid of becoming a monster like his brothers etc

[strong wadi]

Cant believe fans still think they're getting sanji and zoro vs holy knights and not dorry/broggy 😔

[leaden rivet]

Sanji has no coc so he can’t do anything anyway

[ashen perch]

well tbf

we can get both

[steel stirrup]

Yet

[ashen perch]

I support Dorry/Brogy as their main matchups but nothing preventing both from happening

[leaden rivet]

Unless Sanji pulls a Zoro and gets coc and Acoc in the same arc then he really can’t do anything

[ashen perch]

you just gotta believe that this is a 100 chapter arc, minimum

and anything is possible

[steel stirrup]

If Oda wants it, it shall be so.

[strong wadi]

Well we all know Qilingham is Usopps' opponent so...

[urban lodge]

Usopp will at best become Zoro's sword again

[steel stirrup]

Usopp slander too

[urban lodge]

Since Killingham is another "giraffe"

[steel stirrup]

Goddamn

[ashen perch]

I can see that yea, since HKs are upgrades of CP9

[leaden rivet]

Oh right I forgot this was Usopp’s arc

[golden valley]

Usopp is not remotely beating Killingham, but hes gonna help

[iron oriole]

Ah yes "Usopps arc"

[urban lodge]

He keeps giving Killingham infinite nightmare fuel and has to conquer his fears so Zoro can defeat him

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-about-to-crash-out-sunflower-pvz-plants-vs-zombies-gif-2216785787877099970

[golden valley]

I do want Zoro vs Killingham and a lil bit of G5 vs Killingham. I think their powers interacting can be pretty cool

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/nyaponi/status/1989514352211456315?t=gvriWvoaV57T61EjrdwoJA&s=19

ぽにお Ponio (@nyaponi)

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[golden valley]

I wanna see Killingham pull something out of Luffy’s imagination

[steel stirrup]

This is cute

[spice cairn]

Itll turn against him because Luffy is always on some crazy shit

[strong wadi]

If Zoro can get rooftop + King, Usopp can get Qilingham

People can keep coping but it is what it is

[iron oriole]

It would actually be really good if Killingham puts Usopp to sleep to get his fears to come alive but nothing actually comes out because even though he spouts the shit all the time, he's not truly afraid of anything anymore... becoming a true brave warrior of the sea

[golden valley]

I was thinking Luffy probably just puts it back inside his head lol

[spice cairn]

His nightmare is the monkey hiding under his bed when he was 13

[steel stirrup]

Bro gon pull Centuar Luffy and Fishman Nami out of bro head

If Killingham brings out Water Luffy we are COOKED

[iron oriole]

What if Killingham pulls out an afro

Its gg

[steel stirrup]

!cook

[ashen perch]

Shamrock > Spandam - Zoan Sword
Qilingham > Kaku - Kirin/Giraffe
Sommers > Kalifa - Thorn fruit/Thorn Whip

so maybe yknow, Usopp and Zoro team up against Qilingham
and Robin and Sanji team up against Sommers like Sanji and Nami would have if Kalifa wasnt a woman

it works

[steel stirrup]

Oh?

Koya aint fwm no more

!cook

[ashen perch]

prob just down

[ashen perch]

Usopp was the one who blasted Spandam and I am not sure what can be the equivalent of that, but the rest works

[iron oriole]

Usopp shoots a pop green through the abyss & it hits Shamrock in Marijoa

[leaden rivet]

Usopp awakens coc and uses it to damage a HK

[steel stirrup]

Now this is cinema

[golden valley]

If Usopp is still fighting with plants after this arc, hes gotta get scrapped

[steel stirrup]

He took an entire torso off with that plant bruh

[haughty saddle]

He did more damage to a Holy Knight with that one Pop Green than anyone else has managed to do to one so far in Elbaph

[leaden rivet]

I wish there was a way to formally remove him from the crew

[steel stirrup]

Gaban did cut Sommers in half but you not wrong either

[golden valley]

On a person not defending and only existing to flex Gunko’s regen

[haughty saddle]

Gaban is Roger’s Sanji

Ussop is Luffy’s Ussop

[ashen perch]

basically the equivalent of Apoo splitting up Kizaru in two, it was irrelevant

[leaden rivet]

People with regen are so squishy a lot of the times. Probably because they’re not using coc armor to defend themselves.

[urban lodge]

Acoc armor is so funny

[haughty saddle]

That’s right. Downplay Ussop.

[unique lagoon]

dint think we have seen any HK with high tier haki yet
not counting gunko imu ofc

[golden valley]

Talkin bout damaging Gunko like this gon put him in the big leagues

[haughty saddle]

Erm DAE useless? Fellow redditors?? Updoots to the left

[steel stirrup]

Let em have it they aint got much else

[golden valley]

Usopp downplay only exists to an extent

[unique lagoon]

its still odd seeing people with imu buff just melts when punched or slashed

it looks hype but wheres the real dmg

[steel stirrup]

Beats me

[golden valley]

The funny thing is ACoC was considered a counter but it doesn’t even actually kill them

[unique lagoon]

like when gaban chopped of sommers
he was just like oww that hurt
then just back to normal moments later

[golden valley]

Yeah

[urban lodge]

Gaban is senile

[unique lagoon]

even rocks vs the HKs

cut of head slowly healing
2nd round garling was just on the ground in pain

[strong wadi]

We’ll have to see how xebec resolves next chapter

[unique lagoon]

would be funny if the buff getting removed killed him
not the attack

[strong wadi]

Since they came through the portal though, they don’t have to be defeated, just sent back, so that’ll be enough for this arc.

[unique lagoon]

the contract was not fulfilled hence he dies

shit like that

[urban lodge]

I'm sure he's dead but I don't think this means the same thing would work with the hks/gorosei/imu

[tranquil blade]

I think the solution is to hit really really hard

Gaban just didnt hit hard enough

[haughty saddle]

What if Gaban lied and it’s not Haki at all. You just gotta make em laugh real hard.

[urban lodge]

Domi reversi is like the lowest type of contract

[unique lagoon]

theres the honing in the haki also like gaban said

whatever that means

was that the same viz translation

[distant vine]

aka it works when Oda thinks it should work

[urban lodge]

"Be mindful of how you use the color of the supreme king" or something

[unique lagoon]

can he be any more vague

[distant vine]

Luffy replied like he understood. Im curious what he's gonna do

[tranquil blade]

"Just use a lot of it bro it will work I swear"

[unique lagoon]

hmm yes compressing the haki is the way

[haughty saddle]

Punch them even harder + put more haki into it

My goat

[strong wadi]

If it doesn't, we're heading towards a mid ending

[haughty saddle]

• punch them in the silliest way possible

[distant vine]

Nice pfp and banner

[proud pivot]

@merry

[haughty saddle]

You know I always come with the fits, Indi

[tranquil blade]

Zoro fan knows of danganronpa? I underestimated your game

[distant vine]

Yeah haha that's me, always in the know

[strong wadi]

Bad understands bad ( I'm a danganronpa fan)

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[unique lagoon]

zoro going to get really bothered with his leaking haki
he really takes it personally when he starts to look like he sucks

[tranquil blade]

See I still dont even know why people act like the game is the worst thing ever made

[distant vine]

Im only on the first game but my impression of the fanbase is everyone calls Dangonronpa bad, even the fans 😅

[strong wadi]

It's mostly cause the fandom is known as one of the worst fandoms, like mha

[stone terrace]

I like how luffy knew the whole time and didnt mention it

[strong wadi]

know what? zoro having CoC?

[stone terrace]

Yeah

[strong wadi]

i mean he probably thought zoro's dumb ass knew

[tranquil blade]

Luffy knew about Zoro's leaking CoC since Wano at least

[native seal]

how do you just leak that shit

pause

[tranquil blade]

it was just yknow leakin out and shit

[urban lodge]

I wish I saved that one meme

[iron oriole]

You have a sword that constantly pulls it forth

[tranquil blade]

Why is it so easy to make these jokes, like every new haki adds more to it too

[native seal]

mass and shit

[tranquil blade]

"Mass" like cmon bro

[native seal]

that mass shit aint even nothing complex either

[stone terrace]

We can powerscale in new ways never seen before

Who has more coc mass

[unique lagoon]

maybe this is why his haki was leaking
he just lets enma do its thing without controlling it

[iron oriole]

Roger just wanted a cool way to say "we need more CoC"

[unique lagoon]

same here

[tranquil blade]

Yeah Roger and Garp put as much mass behind their CoC as possible to overpower Xebec's CoC defense

[native seal]

whats better than one person with CoC, two people with CoC!

[strong wadi]

I mean, the funniest thing is that it isn't a new concept, it was just common sense 😭

[mighty shell]

[distant vine]

Hmm would I go back in time to plead with Oda to not write COC into the story?

Nah. But I would definetly beg for no ACOC

[tranquil blade]

It's really just ACoC

[proud pivot]

Can you tell him to not write Onepiece

[distant vine]

Clearly it was a nightmare

[proud pivot]

🙏

[distant vine]

Haki haters never got more fuel than from the intro of ACOC

[strong wadi]

as a specific CoC hater, very true

[unique lagoon]

is this even accurate

[tranquil blade]

I wasn't even that big of a fan of it when it got revealed to be a thing

[strong wadi]

probably more accurate than Oda, but the only time we've seen top right is on a tree 😭

[stone terrace]

Its close enough probably

Oda just be doing whatever

[urban lodge]

Life is better when you stop trying to understand haki

[unique lagoon]

also the top part should have lightning
sometimes

[tranquil blade]

It probably still happens but Oda does not try to point it out whatsoever

[steel stirrup]

I think you can allocate Haki to offense and defesne

So he meant put all the mass of their haki into offense

[tranquil blade]

Like Luffy in Act 3 is just using normal looking punches but he's still using that haki

[steel stirrup]

I think

[golden valley]

Sure

[unique lagoon]

well yeah defensive on all of em
obs = futuresight
armament = invi shield/hardened skin
CoC = also harder skin

[stone terrace]

Wano disturbed me

"Theyre not even touching!!!"

[steel stirrup]

In what way

[distant vine]

COC should have never ripped off Armament

[stone terrace]

Luffy could do that before he had acoc

😭

[steel stirrup]

???

[golden valley]

And then later on, Luffy attributes the “no-contact” to what Hyogoro taught him

[unique lagoon]

true CoC is just a copy of armement

[steel stirrup]

Punch without touching?

[stone terrace]

And was that seriously laws first time seeing emission

[unique lagoon]

oda might have fumbled on that one

[stone terrace]

He was a warlord ffs

[golden valley]

Imma just say Law dont know wtf he’s talking about

[stone terrace]

Yea

[ashen perch]

its just Law seeing it for the first time

[tranquil blade]

Probably, I mean the guy didn't fight anyone that crazy over the 2 years

[steel stirrup]

Tbf CoA emmison seems to be more difficult than just coating your self in CoA

[golden valley]

Oh wait, he only says theyre not touching right? It comes off as shock more than “Luffy can finally do this!” At least from Oda’s perspective i think?

[grand flower]

I’m pretty sure emission is just a

Do you need to use it right now kinda thing

If you’re slugging a guy right in front of you then why

[ashen perch]

we saw Luffy punch a hole through a tree without directly touching it at the end of Act 2, so its not really supposed to be new for the readers

just new to Law

and its a callback to Oden pointing out the same in WB v Roger, that was the main idea

[tranquil blade]

You kinda just have to assume Luffy's using it though because in early act 3 he looks like he's just doing normal punches

even on Kaido