also-manga

[native seal]

rocks should have had the highest bounty as a pirate

what is oda cooking

[tough igloo]

he’s durable without it but where near as durable with it

[iron oriole]

Yeah BB & Kuzan likely win in the end but probably still a tough fight, add everyone else in & they're gonna make Kaido look worse than what G5 did when Luffy first transformed

[unique lagoon]

its kinda disappointing that kuzan dint use enough haki with his ice powers

i dont think he even tried

[sand plinth]

kuzan and the other guys

[native seal]

what is galaxy divide btw is it emission

cause i rewatched the anime episode and bruh that was a lazer beam

[ornate tartan]

the highest pirate bounty was always going to be the pirate king

[sand plinth]

bb and his bois struggled with trafalgar law and his crew of civillians

[ornate tartan]

the only character that has argument to have higher bounty is dragon who isn’t a pirate

[tough igloo]

struggled ? we saw law land 1 hit

Kaido struggled with law too ? law landed like 5 on him lol

[unique lagoon]

blame augur sniper cant shoot a swimming panda

shameful

[native seal]

well yeah but i at least expected his name to be taken alongside wb and roger for the highest bounties

[sand plinth]

law was jumping kaido, law was getting jumped by bb

[tough igloo]

he wasn’t getting jumped

[native seal]

unless they erased rocks' bounty from history too

[unique lagoon]

bepo really got all the plot armor on that

how far was the augur shot with the bird again

[tough igloo]

it was literally BB and 3 commanders vs Law entire crew .. that’s not getting jumped .. Law and his crew just got bodied

[sand plinth]

every fight law is in is a jumping because he crew is literally worthless

[iron oriole]

Law was cooked the moment it started

He just has an OP fruit to have a good showing vs it

[tough igloo]

if me and 3 of my people can take out you and your entire crew who outnumber us .. we ain’t jump yall , we just whooped y’all ass lol

[pine ridge]

ig he would've if he didn't die so soon

[ornate tartan]

law only has base observation and armament tho no conq

[sand plinth]

if law had any strawhat on his crew except usopp he wouldve won

[ornate tartan]

they gave kid conq

[twin comet]

weakest conq ever

lmao

[tough igloo]

lmao

word of mouth conquerors

[sand plinth]

commoners haki

[ornate tartan]

he never even shown it in the manga

only the anime the commoner haki scene

[twin comet]

his crew is unimaginably weak

[sand plinth]

its actually insane that his only "strong" crewmate is like, below chopper level

[ornate tartan]

they gave zoro a commoner haki scene too before the king fight😂

where he got a proper one

[fluid cedar]

His bounty is 40 years old theres inflation so his bounty is gonna be lower than those two

[ornate tartan]

anime just hates Kidd

[tough igloo]

*Oda

his showing vs shanks showed how much hate lol

[twin comet]

sulong bepo>monster point chopper tho

[iron oriole]

Idr exactly but Jaya wasn't even in sight

[unique lagoon]

suddenly augur cant shoot for shit

[twin comet]

it was mentioned that he had coc in manga

[sand plinth]

yeah valid, but we only know that bcus thats the only time anyone on his crew has ever done anything

[twin comet]

but i dont remember it being shown

[twin comet]

none of his crew members was even on the roof

kidd had killer, luffy had zoro

[tough igloo]

his crew surrendering and just handing over the poneglyphs and begging for their lives was just sad and embarrassing

[sand plinth]

law has a mascot and a fanclub

[tough igloo]

Oda has true hate for the kid pirates lol

[unique lagoon]

that shit should be an SBS question
oda how in the hell did augur not shoot bepo swiming
oda: ermm uhh the gun got jammed hihi

[pine ridge]

this is exactly how most of the straw hats would act in this situation

[twin comet]

even if they tried, they werent doing nun

[tough igloo]

made the crew who’s captain is a conqueror just give up and beg for their lives

[twin comet]

i mean your point still stands

[ornate tartan]

comments said freaky haki😂😂

[tough igloo]

post wano straw hats would never

that would’ve never got to that point

[twin comet]

but kid pirates are truly embarassing

[sand plinth]

watching kizaru miss a million shots in marineford and then snipe a key in half is when i knew not to think too hard about anything in one piece

[unique lagoon]

mf got internal dmg

[unique lagoon]

tbf kizaru aint really marketed as a sniper

augur even got that sick rifle

[sand plinth]

the key shot might be the most insane sniper feat in one piece

[unique lagoon]

augur be like
heh guess the stars was on their side this time

[iron oriole]

Augur has the best feat

[ornate tartan]

Usopp

[sand plinth]

just re-read blackbeard v law

laws crew is embarassing

[iron oriole]

Usopp isn't here yet

His Sugar shot was great but its not this

[hasty sable]

A crew full of Usopps

[sand plinth]

kids crew usopps cowardice 🤝 usopps physical strength laws crew

[hasty sable]

Law’s crew are actually champions in comparison. They’re weak but they don’t back down.

Kid literally just has Killer lol

[iron oriole]

Also ig he took too long to get up so he said fuck it

[hasty sable]

For a final villain Teach sure gets embarrassed a lot lol

He’s such a goof

[sand plinth]

this isnt a bird that cant see me flying predictably through the sky.... im cooked!!

nah i love a one off feat

that is never ever matched again

what was oda cooking with law cutting punk hazard in half

[hasty sable]

You think Teach will fumble the ancient weapons too

[iron oriole]

A lot of feats are one offs

Take Rocks destroying a Gate of Justice for example

[sand plinth]

yeah its funny, i dont find him that intimidating strengthwise, but i just assume he will win bcus plot and his fruit means that the amount of dmg he has taken is not super relevant

[sand plinth]

one off feats that are never matched again

rocks did other stuff that was comparable

kizaru never managed the accuracy he had with that keyshot again, augur probably wont have a shot even remotely resembling that distance again, law will not do a cut as big as he did on punk hazard again

[unique lagoon]

how are we sure its the same durable gates of justice anyway

imu could have upgraded em

[sand plinth]

oda does something bcus it looks cool then later down the road is like hmm that was a bit much

[iron oriole]

What they had wooden ones before?

[unique lagoon]

dint they use wapol metal to block WBs gura range punch

back in MF

[sand plinth]

i mean rocks killed an admiral, strolled into the flower room, oneshot kaido and bm, and had garp and roger combined on the ropes

i think destroying a gate of justice off screen isnt too crazy comparitively

[graceful grove]

Chopper was insane to cook this up now he is on the regeneration case.

[tranquil blade]

Did he like put a hole in it or did the whole thing get knocked over

[iron oriole]

Offscreen

Just says destroyed one

[tranquil blade]

Speaking of those gates do we know how they were even created?

[fallen meteor]

Funny you asked that because on a sbs Oda said he put...hehe....6 to 7 holes on that

[tranquil blade]

GAHHHHHH

[tidal rune]

This is the reason why Law & Bepo will join SHP in final war. Bepo is going to get addicted on Chopper’s drugs and can’t help but find him again. Chopper is playing 4D chess.

[iron oriole]

No, we know almost nothing about them

[graceful grove]

he will have a whole race addicted to his drugs at least they won't be useless anymore

[iron oriole]

Wasn't there the whole Sulong could end up killing the user? Idk if mass forced Sulong addicts would be good

[thick mango]

I'm sure chopper will cure it or it'll be quietly dropped

[iron oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-lazy-sweep-sweeping-hiding-gif-11120468

The classic

[graceful grove]

Choppers sulong pills have 0 side effects

no further questions

• Oda

[iron oriole]

[graceful grove]

if someone dies from it, it's a skill issue of the user. remember Chopper overcame the rumble balls problems too

[unique lagoon]

hold up theres another 4 arm zombie in MF

cant really tell if thats the same as gil

[thick mango]

It's just not that kind of story where the cute little doctor fails or is irresponsible or has to grapple with the consequences of his well intentioned but flawed creations

[clever idol]

Now if this was ceasar? Absolutely

[hasty sable]

Now Vegapunk

[ornate tartan]

Bepo was juiced up on that shit😂😂

[prisma yacht]

Just 3 more days

[fallen meteor]

Chapter out on Vine

[prisma yacht]

[ornate tartan]

luffy sandals😂😂

[thick mango]

So we see imu be pretty unstoppable on Gv. What does that mean for elbaf? How do y'all feel about the possibility of a SH defeat or luffy capture? I'm on the fence myself I can see story unfolding from either victory or defeat

[frigid gulch]

Imu didn’t collect Rocks’ sword

That brother dipped

Unless he ordered someone to get it

[tough igloo]

Imu domi reversi’s Loki then heads back to Mariejois since they said it was in flames

[ornate tartan]

Garp brought it to him as a birthday gift

[tough igloo]

Domi Loki vs Luffy for main elbaf fight

[ornate tartan]

his 863rd bday

[thick mango]

How do you see that ending?

Loki defeat? Same tragic fate as harald

[tough igloo]

Luffy finds a way to change back Loki without having to kill him

[frigid gulch]

Luffy wins by liberating him

[tough igloo]

probably something to do with his fruit

[frigid gulch]

Pretty easy

[thick mango]

I dunno that feels too costless to me

[tough igloo]

it was never gonna be Imu vs Luffy here

[ornate tartan]

loki fans gonna start spawning

[frigid gulch]

based on how the game works, you can flip demons back

[tough igloo]

the set up for it being loki was always there

[frigid gulch]

Well it’s supposed to be costless here

[rich hornet]

We already here

[tough igloo]

rocks & harald weren’t able to get turned back , Loki will

[frigid gulch]

We’ve already seen the tragedy

[tough igloo]

Nika isn’t about to lose in Elbaf (the island that worships him )

[thick mango]

Idk if that's the right word but luffy countering this thing that defeated rocks and roger and garp couldn't fix feels like too much yknow what I mean

[tough igloo]

win by liberating loki and the giants

[thick mango]

The first time he saw it too

[frigid gulch]

Luffy basically will have anti-Imu hax

To some degree

[thick mango]

I guess i feel like I'd like it better if luffy couldn't liberate reversed folks in the first appearance but does learn how to beat it at some future time

[ornate tartan]

i’m a fan too😂 I like Loki

[tough igloo]

him turning back/liberating the giants from domi reversi in Elbaf of all places , is a Oda type of ending

[iron oriole]

I'm on the side of we get a "lost the battle but win the war" situation for the SHs here

[tough igloo]

it’s what he basically does at every island

[unique lagoon]

makes you wonder how imu defeated joyboy

maybe he got CoCancer

[ornate tartan]

credit fraud

[thick mango]

I think imu menace undermined a bit if he just keeps losing. Saving elbaf completely feels like too much of a victory

[frigid gulch]

All of the giants can be turned back

[tough igloo]

yep

[frigid gulch]

But depends on execution

[tough igloo]

G5 will do it somehow

[unique lagoon]

haki will be used

[thick mango]

Everything is good nothing is bad everybody lives it's just too much winning for me to keep taking imu as seriously yknow what I mean

[unique lagoon]

also

its like how joyboys haki removed Saturns buff

[ornate tartan]

this chapter coming up this week is truly unpredictable

[tough igloo]

we saw haki being used and that wasn’t the solution to turning them back from domi reversi , that just killed them lol

[frigid gulch]

Yup

[unique lagoon]

yeah but its not nika+haki

[tough igloo]

probably will have something to do with the 2 DFs that Rocks needed .. one of them being Nika DF

[frigid gulch]

Haki works but it’s like potentially killing the person to “free” them

It’s not truly free

[tough igloo]

that’s why Eris immediately knew Rocks lost and was too early when she saw him Domi Reversi’d .. he ain’t have the fruits to stop it

[unique lagoon]

people really need to consider haki + df being used more

[tough igloo]

yep that’s always been the case with luffy

and really all top tiers who have DFs

[graceful grove]

i don't think Luffy is countering it. no amount of haki men could do it so it's gotta be something else. like the genius that capable of finding a practical solution like Chopper

[unique lagoon]

whatever that hax aura nika has

[frigid gulch]

But..

[graceful grove]

surely it's can't be the magic god fruit again

[frigid gulch]

Consider this

This is the way to turn them back

[tough igloo]

you know it will be lol this flashback even put more emphasis on it with rocks saying he needed 2 DFs

and then talking about joyboy & davy jones

[unique lagoon]

i wont even be surprise if later on imu wont even need the circles
like what happened with rocks

[frigid gulch]

Aside from Luffy

[tough igloo]

we all know the obvious answer is the actual answer here lol

[golden valley]

The white pieces reflect what Nika will do

[frigid gulch]

They might

[graceful grove]

might as well let Kubo draw the manga at that point

[frigid gulch]

It could technically also be “normal” people as represented on the board there surrounding the black pieces

[unique lagoon]

we all know its a team up anyway

[frigid gulch]

But I suspect Luffy could maybe do it directly

By flipping the ground or smth

[unique lagoon]

now does imu know that the possible 2 DFs is here

is it another WG blunder

more incompetence
does imu even know the 2DFs can counter him

[runic dock]

Hopefully he knows since he’s already been tracking bb and luffy by bounty posters

In his room

[unique lagoon]

do we even know the 2 DFs can counter imu

[thick mango]

There's lots of possibilities for how to counter this but just something about countering it so soon, immediately after it's introduced in the present, feels wrong to me

[sand plinth]

next chap dragon meets luffys mum who is a davy and its also revealed that dragons mum is a celestial dragon so luffy has all the the dna to win

[graceful grove]

i don't think rocks was looking for a DF that can counter Imus domi reversi. he had no knowledge of what it is

[frigid gulch]

That’s what Eris implies

[runic dock]

No, it’s mostly implication but hopefully HE knows who to pay attention to tho

Since he has the bounty posters in his room

[unique lagoon]

imu just chilling not expecting loki to be released
that loki got stabbed and is already bleeding to death

[frigid gulch]

Rocks knew he couldn’t do anything to Imu 18 years prior

[graceful grove]

i'll drop the manga and team up with sandman to sue oda

[frigid gulch]

So obviously we consider his plan

And what Eris said

[runic dock]

That’s weird , that wound probably won’t be much in the grand scheme of things , might nerf him a bit but not cause him to not get freed

[frigid gulch]

Pretty obvious it was preparation for that

[runic dock]

It’s a chekovs gun

[unique lagoon]

sure that works
imu thinks loki is out of the picture and is currently bleeding

[wide star]

more than likely only way to stop Imu/domi reversi , is by having Davy Jones & Joyboy DFs aka yami yami & nika

[graceful grove]

she says he isn't ready. that could mean just firepower. there is nothing indicating they knew of domi reversi. if they did, then it makes Rocks look like a moron during that fight

[sand plinth]

honestly i dont think rocks wanted the nika fruit, i think joyboy and davy jones represent two different ways of beating imu

[frigid gulch]

“The other thing my darkness drags in is… the power of the devil!!!”

[unique lagoon]

the only possible info imu knows is gunko and sham fucked up loki

[frigid gulch]

[opal gulch]

i hope to god thats not the plotline

[wide star]

it’s pretty obvious it is lol

[grand flower]

I’m guessing it’ll be Yami csuse it can shut off his powers on Imu and Gum Gum cause Nika’s heartbeat can reverse the Domi Reversi

[wide star]

Teach entire dream based around him getting the yami yami

[runic dock]

Yeah lol

[unique lagoon]

gunko knows luffy is here
but when imu arrived he dint even think of luffy dont think he was even mentioned

[sand plinth]

rocks wanted the yami and whatever loki has

[unique lagoon]

guess thats for oda to do some surprise face off

[opal gulch]

wait what.. you really think thats the only way for us to defeat imu is for bb and luffy to band up against imu.. nahh

[frigid gulch]

What possible firepower when the strongest individuals in the world combined couldn’t do anything ? And yes he didn’t know, yet he still knew he couldn’t do anything to Imu back at the reverie

[unique lagoon]

loki haven't seen nika form yet also

waiting for that

[runic dock]

Rocks be like “I need two fruits!”

And people really be like “I hope to god it’s not two fruits”

[frigid gulch]

the fruits are literally part of his preparation

[wide star]

i didn’t say anything about them teaming up , idk how it’ll play out (throughout the entire story luffy & teach have been unknowingly helping each other ) but those 2 DFs are the ones needed to stop Imu and it’s pretty obvious lol

[grand flower]

They don’t have to team up. They just have to both be fighting Imu at the same time

[opal gulch]

well it might be but i dont like it

[unique lagoon]

im willing to bet rocks was wrong and and herald was the wrong host for the DF
its loki
something to do with those funky eyes

[golden valley]

I do not think any of them knew about DR lol

[grand flower]

You have a morbius pfp

[runic dock]

Oda is better than us at explaining I’ll let him work it out

[grand flower]

But also you should probably wait to ya know

Actually read it happening lol

[opal gulch]

how observant of you

[frigid gulch]

Ye tbh it’s a little weird

Rocks knew nothing about the powers

[opal gulch]

yeah i guess.. i was hoping for bb to beat imu and we having a final battle against bb

[frigid gulch]

Not Domi Reversi, nor regen

[royal orchid]

good afternoon

[runic dock]

It seems like eris hinted that they did , although he didn’t when it was happening

[unique lagoon]

im calling it
that loki having those eyes is compatible with this elbaf forbidden DF

[frigid gulch]

But he knew he couldn’t beat Imu

And is gathering fruits for that purpose

[runic dock]

Can still very much happen , I’m eyeing that idea as well

[frigid gulch]

I don’t remember that

[wide star]

Oda even made sure to show us that somebody else stole the Elbaf DF while Loki was in the casket with Jarul & Harald and Shanks said he wanted to talk with Harald about something .. Elbaf fruit is the Nika fruit

[golden valley]

Rocks just knew that Imu had a power beyond what he was capable of

[frigid gulch]

You have a panel

[grand flower]

That’s def what’s gonna happen

[unique lagoon]

we aint even sure if that shadow did got the DF
more happened after that

[runic dock]

When she was crying seeing Domi rocks , it kind of felt like she lowkey expected this to be one of the results?

[grand flower]

Jarul has Abyss powers

[deep anchor]

how wild is this?

[unique lagoon]

just normal spoiler thumbnails

[frigid gulch]

Oh that. Ye she just saw Xebec turn into what his family turned into

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-rule-respect-bucks-halftime-milwaukee-gif-13591074

[opal gulch]

whats your best guess for what the elbaph fruit is going to be?

[frigid gulch]

And he was fighting that monster

[graceful grove]

remember one of the fruit he wanted was for Harald so he can have the strongest army. if the sole purpose of 2nd df was to counter domi reversi, he wouldn't have fought Imu like he did or get shocked.

[frigid gulch]

So she just did 1 + 1 I think

[deep anchor]

but see the line: oda saying we're going to space

[unique lagoon]

maybe the yami df not part of rocks plan
i think its better if the DF is a wildcard in the grand scheme of things

[potent pier]

Oda really needs to show how to reverse Domni reversi

[wide star]

he didn’t care about having the strongest army from Elbaf , he just believed only Harald could awaken the true power of that DF

[opal gulch]

and is that elbaph fruit the same fruit that loki has im confused

[unique lagoon]

expect loki DF would be goofy also
wont be surprise

[graceful grove]

that's... part of it

[deep anchor]

we will know once we return to present elbaf

[opal gulch]

im guessing the fruit has to be connected to some deity

[frigid gulch]

I’m saying both fruits will counter it in some fashion. Not to mention, he says that fruit needs to be eaten by Harald for its true power to be unleashed. If it’s the Nika fruit, then likely it is about awakening it

[unique lagoon]

its the moon god DF

[deep anchor]

i guess we will know in this present arc

[opal gulch]

bb's fruit could be connected to some underworld god, hades?

[frigid gulch]

The Elbaf army would still be a plus though

[wide star]

the 2 people who Imu fears most will be the ones who the 2 DFs that Rocks needed originally belonged to

[unique lagoon]

oh right heaven realm... soon tm

[frigid gulch]

Although Imu easily can turn them

[opal gulch]

yeah it makes sense

[frigid gulch]

Like he did already lol

[frigid gulch]

Ye it just kinda lines up

[graceful grove]

it might end up doing that but there is no evidence to suggest Rocks knew of it as of right now.

[unique lagoon]

cant wait for the 8years of pirate loki flashback
where he hunted down former rocks members for abandoning rocks

[opal gulch]

loki is reallly the biggest rocks glazer

[frigid gulch]

I mean sure but it’s not really outlandish considering the lore he’s dropped thus far. We likely won’t know until later tho

[graceful grove]

tru

[frigid gulch]

We will learn pretty soon if the Elbaf fruit was the Nika fruit

[graceful grove]

if i had to bet one one df, it would be BBs

[opal gulch]

it was kinda sad how easily the rocks pirates just abandoned him

[graceful grove]

luffy using toon force to counter.... nah

[opal gulch]

i get it but i hoped at least some words from his crew

[graceful grove]

they were always ready to go their own way

[lofty fern]

I could see that being what Shanks wanted to talk to Harald about

[opal gulch]

yeah but they spend years together.. at least the og's like whitebeard

he just strolls off and leaves with no words

[graceful grove]

Rocks have to remind them before almost every fight that today is not the day, just hang on a little longer xd

[frigid gulch]

Shanks ended up tracking it down too specifically

[lofty fern]

You can spend years together and not care about that person. Look at BB

[frigid gulch]

He took it from CP9 13 years ago

[hoary steppe]

Bruh bb was different 😭

[frigid gulch]

It was “stolen” 14 years ago

[lofty fern]

All of these guys are just as evil

[frigid gulch]

Fairly close timeline wise

[opal gulch]

Yeah fair enough, ive spend years with coworkers and not felt like having a heartfelt goodbye when i change jobs i suppose its similar

[graceful grove]

yea oda could've done more

[hoary steppe]

Who u talkin ?

[lofty fern]

Big Mom wouldn't think twice

She might even backstab you on her way out

[hoary steppe]

WDYMM

[barren token]

I mean that's kinda the point no? The rocks pirates didn't really care about each other

[hoary steppe]

Kaido is the only way

[graceful grove]

it's because ppl are too used to Luffys version of pirate crew xd

[unique lagoon]

someone needs to pin the loki timeline starting when herald died
combine with shanks being yonko, finding the DF and meeting luffy

[lofty fern]

Even he was only a step beyond passable

[barren token]

Remember when this flashback was about Loki and harold

[frigid gulch]

No

[graceful grove]

imagine luffy got the ace df and uspp hits him with the impact dial and eats it

[hoary steppe]

I think hes p loyal

[unique lagoon]

shanks capturing loki made him yonko is a good theory imo

[opal gulch]

yeah it was stated way before the flashback that they didnt get along, maybe the way they were formed via davy back fight as appose to natural bonding via friendship

[frigid gulch]

Not all of them joined through the Davy Back Fight

[hoary steppe]

I actually shocked they’re still loyal at the end

[opal gulch]

and thats why i was abit sad about whitebeards reaction.. they clearly met and had a connection

[hasty sable]

I am pretty sure Whitebeard has not left yet

[frigid gulch]

Plus he never forced them to stay, they just liked his plan because they were self-interested

[lofty fern]

Harald died 14 years ago, Shanks found the fruit 13 years ago, Luffy ate the fruit 12-13 years ago, Loki was defeated and chained to the tree 6 years ago which is also the same time Shanks became an emperor.

[hasty sable]

He’s clearly going back into the island to me

[frigid gulch]

Is he

[steel stirrup]

There were a few bonds in there. Big Mom and Kaido had a brother sister dynamic and if Whitebeard didn't at least have an ounce of love in his heart for Rocks he wouldn't have stayed to help him.

[lofty fern]

Nah, he was done almost immediately

[hoary steppe]

Imagine loki killed one of his friend

[hasty sable]

Yeah I think he’s going back

[barren token]

Whitebeard is fucking gone man

[frigid gulch]

He’s gone

[opal gulch]

pretty sure he became a yonko 8 years ago if im not mistaken, but feel free to correct that

[urban lodge]

There's nothing to go back to

[barren token]

Whitebeard is 3 Islands away by now laying back and sipping a martini

[frigid gulch]

He doesn’t care no more

[urban lodge]

The island is basically gone by the end of the chapter

[hoary steppe]

Kidd is going back wym ?

[unique lagoon]

loki ran away right after herald died ye?

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure it was the same time as Loki was chained up? I think

[lofty fern]

He was on the sea for 8 years before Shanks put him away

[frigid gulch]

WB’s a good man. He joined through the Davy Back Fight

[unique lagoon]

so we have no specific info what loki did after heralds death

rumors are just
killed father ate the df

[steel stirrup]

He ran wild and fucked shit up until Shanks put him in timeout

[urban lodge]

Yeah Whitebeard is in the panels right as the narrator is explaining how Rocks obtained his crew

[lofty fern]

I think the indication is that he's going with Gram. That's why he was introduced there talking about a boat

[unique lagoon]

and loki even said that he dint reach the redline

[urban lodge]

He joined through a Davy Back for sure

[lofty fern]

Well we know he left and was sailing around

Supposedly, the Lola stuff is in there somewhere

[steel stirrup]

Rocks probably won bro from whatever crew he was on when that "Family" flashback happened as he was dying

[opal gulch]

we dont know that, we saw them at elbaph prior to rocks pirate crew being established... maybe he did maybe he didnt

[frigid gulch]

he sounds a little hurt, to me at least

[unique lagoon]

shanks captured loki
gave him to the giants
he almost got away and took all warriors to restrain him
then they chain him to the tree

[haughty saddle]

Graham is nuts also. I was thinking about it today. All this horrible shit going down and he’s just chillin? “Hey man, did your ass split that mountain? LMAO that’s craaaaazy wanna come with me? This place fuckin’ blows.”

[steel stirrup]

He is definitely hurt

[frigid gulch]

We do know that

[hasty sable]

Whitebeard did respect Rocks

[urban lodge]

They're so dumb man

[steel stirrup]

You can't deny that

[urban lodge]

Even Garp figured it out

[opal gulch]

How, please tell me

[urban lodge]

I know he heard Rocks but still

[frigid gulch]

WB’s bounty poster is overlayed over the panel that talks about Rocks using the Davy Back Fight to amass a lineup

[steel stirrup]

Everyone got swiped away before they had a chance to figure shit out

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah, there was some time between when Harald died and Shanks put him down that it took almost all the giants of Elbaph to put Loki down. Not including the ones that were off island at the time

[hoary steppe]

Fang
Big body with wings

Yeah thats still rocks

[hasty sable]

He did join because of a DBF but he still had more loyalty to Rocks than some of the others

Enough to stand beside him and fight the devil lol

[steady pollen]

/poll

[lofty fern]

Yeah but that took time and observation. They didn't have as much time

[distant vine]

That probably is something to critique, but personally idk I dont really care

[frigid gulch]

WB prob grew to enjoy his time there somewhat

With Rocks at least

Not the others

[steel stirrup]

I do find it funny that Rocks was at least 3 times bigger, grew fangs and wings, and Big Mom and Kaido still think its the same nigga

[opal gulch]

Maybe but before he officially made the "rocks pirates" he was with whitebeard... we simply dont know

[distant vine]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

they tried crucifying him iirc
i assume similar to the gag that was done with rodo

[hasty sable]

Doesn’t hurt that Rocks is genuinely a good guy

[frigid gulch]

Yea because Rocks didn’t officially declare them as a crew until 4 years later

[opal gulch]

rocks is not a good guy lmoa

[ornate tartan]

that’s a stretch

[opal gulch]

he is likeable but not a good guy

[ornate tartan]

what makes him a genuine good guy

[hasty sable]

He’s the best guy

[blazing mantle]

Rocks looking up at us rn

[barren token]

Rocks is a good guy

Oda pussied out

[frigid gulch]

Rocks is a hero

[urban lodge]

Fuck Oda

[haughty saddle]

He invaded Foot Society. How good can he be?

[steel stirrup]

He's not a good man he's a good pirate and a respectable man

[frigid gulch]

[hasty sable]

Rocks is actually a hero unironically

[lofty fern]

Also, I think strangely enough Morj put it best. Oda wanted Garp and Roger vs Rocks, but he also wanted all the heavy hitters vs Imu. So Oda had to get from Point A to Point B and get everyone who wasn't supposed to be there out of the way quickly. And it was rushed.

[lofty fern]

To who?

[craggy vapor]

what makes Rocks a bad guy?

[blazing mantle]

Probably the best way to say it

[frigid gulch]

Talks about his numerous crimes while he’s shown raiding bad guys

[hasty sable]

To the world

[frigid gulch]

Peak

[ornate tartan]

what makes him good?

[frigid gulch]

[haughty saddle]

Eris and Teach

[urban lodge]

The melontee effect

[ornate tartan]

that’s the question u have to answer first

[barren token]

I needed to see rocks blow up orphans and oda failed me

[steel stirrup]

His son

Eris

Loki

Davy Jones was probably looking up from hell smiling until DR happened

[opal gulch]

he is a pirate that wants to rule the world.. thats a start...

[lofty fern]

They would never think of him as such, and his plan might even be worse than Imu is currently.

[steel stirrup]

Loki too

[lofty fern]

I'll give you those people

[craggy vapor]

that’s his job description

[hasty sable]

Rocks fights empire. Never does anything really bad. He’s a hero in the grand scheme of things.

[steel stirrup]

Reminder that Loki would still be trying to Kaido himself without Rocks

[frigid gulch]

M. Bezel

[distant vine]

To OP fans if you have friends that you're amicable with it means youre a good guy

[opal gulch]

huh?

[blazing mantle]

Wang zhu

[hasty sable]

Nothing is worse than Imu

[frigid gulch]

Raiding thieves

[haughty saddle]

Tbf, Loki seemed to look up to him for the fact that he was strong and wanted to fuck the world up.

[frigid gulch]

How bad is it truly

[barren token]

Oda couldn't even have then just rob a charity he had to show that the charity was actually bad

[urban lodge]

Coward

[ornate tartan]

they still blew up 5 other towns gang

[hasty sable]

One Piece fans be like uhm akchually it’s morally grey you see

[ornate tartan]

😂

[steel stirrup]

Either way Loki would still be trying to self exit the game probably til this day if he never met Rocks

[haughty saddle]

Foot Society didn’t do shit wrong

[barren token]

These guys go on to enslave and destroy nations just let them rob a charity

[upbeat yarrow]

honestly rocks is better than 90% of men in one piece cause he tried to raise his son and save his wife

[distant vine]

I was gonna say cucked but I feel like thats too mean

[blazing mantle]

The worst thing rocks did on screen was breaking Lokis leg right

[steel stirrup]

Leg?

Lmaoo

[blazing mantle]

What was it

[opal gulch]

this scene is so comical, oda trying so hard to have us root for the rocks

[hasty sable]

Rocks attacked Loki and then literally inspired him to live lol

[lofty fern]

Imu at least allows for a functioning government in most places. All Rocks' plan would do would be to create a power vaccum and anarchy which would destroy more than it would help

[frigid gulch]

Idk about breaking legs but he injured him quite badly

[hasty sable]

lmao

[blazing mantle]

Oh my bad

[steel stirrup]

He probably broke a rib or two

[barren token]

Rocks leaves his son to protect him and everyone loves him, dragon does it and the world goes wild

[haughty saddle]

And here is the crux of the entire series

[blazing mantle]

All the other bad things he did Oda doesn’t wanna show us

[urban lodge]

He didn't even leave to protect him

[hasty sable]

We are at defending Imu levels of Rocks hating

[urban lodge]

He left because he wanted to be a pirate

Same as Yasopp

[haughty saddle]

Is a stable tyranny better than a chaotic freedom

[urban lodge]

Except he came back

[upbeat yarrow]

yeah he might have killed an admiral but hey he wanted to be present dad, thats based af

[urban lodge]

He wasn't present

[steel stirrup]

Boo fucking hoo

[ornate tartan]

I know @urban lodge is glad that the rocks saga is over

[distant vine]

I feel like Whitebeard being on the crew is part of why Oda mostly kept Rocks Pirates at the level of "rough guys"

[barren token]

Rocks is not hosting a fucking killing tournament every year man

[distant vine]

and not villains

[craggy vapor]

Davy Jones was king. Rocks is a descendant of Davy Jones. He wants the promise fullfilled and get the Davy family their throne back. It’s his job.

[urban lodge]

I hope we never see him again

[hoary steppe]

Imu far worse 🗿

[urban lodge]

In no other flashback

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-smallest-violin-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-10796371

[steel stirrup]

ZEHAHAHAHA

[urban lodge]

Rich when I say something factually true

[opal gulch]

rocks is an awesome character and reallly entertaining, but lets not try to paint him as a model citizen

[haughty saddle]

The only model citizen in the series is Koby.

[upbeat yarrow]

and kuma

[haughty saddle]

That cannot be our baseline

[steel stirrup]

You just mad because Gunko Piece got interrupted by Rocks Piece

[hoary steppe]

And fujitora

[upbeat yarrow]

wait actually no

[opal gulch]

kuma is a saint

[craggy vapor]

he is not, but so isn’t Luffy that laughing at the dead mf

[frigid gulch]

“I wanna be free like Rocks”

[opal gull]

it was a really good saga tbh

[hasty sable]

If Rocks was a model citizen he wouldn’t be a hero in this setting

[upbeat yarrow]

kuma is MORE than the model citizen

[haughty saddle]

Kuma is above and beyond he also doesn’t count lmao

[steel stirrup]

Anyone who denies this can meet me in the Home Depot parking lot and we can talk about it

[opal gulch]

and i agree never claimed he wasnt a bad person

[lofty fern]

It's not Rocks hating. I actually really love Rocks as a character. But his plan is still bad. He takes out Imu and takes his place...then what? Rocks is not going to be a good ruler. He's going to have no idea what to do and will just let everyone do their own thing which is going to cause total anarchy as those areas that are stronger will try to take over weaker places, the economy will tank. The Marines become Rock's private army...do you see how bad this can get?

[haughty saddle]

Damn dawg are you gonna have me deported?! 😭

[steel stirrup]

Nah we gon fight

[haughty saddle]

AND THEN I’m getting deported?!

[steel stirrup]

That depends entirely on you

[blazing mantle]

Wow a fight

I wonder who’ll win

[haughty saddle]

Can we fight at like a Publix

[blazing mantle]

Or will it get offscreened

[lofty fern]

It depend on who's perspective you're talking about. Ours as the audience or by the people of One Piece?

[steel stirrup]

I wouldn't stick around long enough

[steady pollen]

bro lets do voting

[steel stirrup]

Nesrest Publix to me is in Texas so it'll take me a sec to get there

[urban lodge]

What's with Rocks fans and bringing up Gunko for no reason? Every single one of you does it

[hoary steppe]

Democrats..

[craggy vapor]

everything is better than letting genociders rule over the world

[steady pollen]

say 1 for luffy

[opal gulch]

its the aot proplem.. he get rid of the leaders and then what

[steady pollen]

say 2 for zoro

[steel stirrup]

Whoever you like

Whoever you are a fan of

Fuck em

[haughty saddle]

French peasants circa 1789:

[hasty sable]

This is insane

[barren token]

We're getting too deep into the weeds here man, even if rocks wasn't a model ruler he'd still be a hell of a lot better than imu lol

[distant vine]

I think if Whitebeard wasnt there, Oda would have let Rocks rob a real charity instead of a fake one

[steel stirrup]

And fuck you too (joke)

[barren token]

Again rocks is not hosting the culling tournament and he wouldn't let the CDs do all that

[opal gulch]

its not too deep, if you wanna overthrow the government you have to have a plan

[blazing mantle]

They don’t want whitebeard looking bad

[hoary steppe]

Wait

[blazing mantle]

Oda is top 1 PR manager

[steel stirrup]

My opinion is the only correct opinion

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[steady pollen]

bro lets do voting say 1 for luffy say 2 for zoro

[distant vine]

2

[steel stirrup]

On what grounds

[blazing mantle]

Weird way to spell barlaxys opinion

[steel stirrup]

Just vibes?

[dapper tree]

3 for sanji

[distant vine]

Now we stop the count

[craggy vapor]

ya, Rocks is a guy you love to have a drink with. You gotta earn his respect tho

[blazing mantle]

Don’t embarrass yourself

[haughty saddle]

4 for FRANKY

[lofty fern]

I'm not defending Imu, but currently his system works more so than Rocks' would. His would actually lead to more death than any genocide Imu has done

[tulip turtle]

Question should be how many years can rocks last as a ruler of the world

[dapper tree]

Too late

[steady pollen]

haki and power

[native seal]

6 7 for dragon

[dapper tree]

Watch this

[hoary steppe]

Jones was king of the world

But imu killed joyboy.. was Davy a good person

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[tulip turtle]

because i don't see him ruling for 800 years

[dapper tree]

Bellamy for SH

[steady pollen]

67

[dapper tree]

[opal gulch]

you would thrive in Mary Geoise

[steel stirrup]

Yea he isn't immortal

[haughty saddle]

It’s not even a question. Nothing would ever suggest Zoro is stronger. Why even ask this question.

[steel stirrup]

I have NEVER been insulted this deeply

[dapper tree]

[blazing mantle]

Weird way to spell Yamato

[opal gulch]

you are welcome

[blazing mantle]

[steady pollen]

if u guys are true one piece fans spam 56

[dapper tree]

[blazing mantle]

YouTube comment

[dapper tree]

6 7

[blazing mantle]

67

[unique lagoon]

bellamy got owned by wyper and friend

[native seal]

brudda acting like this a twitch chat

[rich hornet]

61

[blazing mantle]

Add 6

[steel stirrup]

Bro tryna get me packed up i aint spamming shit

[dapper tree]

Wrong

[lofty fern]

I don't even think he'd want to be, at least not in the way it counts. Everyone wants to rule the world but usually they have no idea what to do once they get there.

[opal gulch]

the 67 exposes the average age in this discord

[dapper tree]

Bellamy and Wyper are bros

[upbeat yarrow]

luffy pfp behavior

[craggy vapor]

we need to learn how the world was like when Davy Jones was king.

[blazing mantle]

I’m 67

[unique lagoon]

you telling me wyper released him
and gave him a pillar of gold?

[steady pollen]

some one has meat

[steel stirrup]

Nah because why is it ALWAYS a Luffy pfp

[haughty saddle]

The unfortunate consequences of being the most popular fiction series in the world

[lofty fern]

It depends on what King of the World actually means

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/please-be-productive-gif-23042524

[blazing mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wyper-wyper-one-piece-shandian-shandia-gif-9552229335184725847

Wow

[hoary steppe]

Imu’s position

[native seal]

yo someone took this person straight off YouTube shorts comments and planted them here

[hoary steppe]

Thats davy

[steady pollen]

some one has meat

[unique lagoon]

what a mad man wyper is

[steady pollen]

pls meat

[blazing mantle]

Are you a real person or a bot like zolo

[steady pollen]

pls meat

[haughty saddle]

!rp

[tropic nova]

NO ROLEPLAYING

[steel stirrup]

I cant tell if hes tryna role play

[dapper tree]

Bellamy became bros with him

[unique lagoon]

wyper is basically dragon
with this revolution stuff

[blazing mantle]

Maybe he’s just insane

[ornate tartan]

nga asking for meat😭😭😭🥀

[blazing mantle]

Poor fella

[opal gulch]

bro has humour i get it, this would be luffy if he had acces to discord

[distant vine]

Most mature Luffy pfp

[native seal]

been saying dragon is wyper of the final saga

[steel stirrup]

No cap

[blazing mantle]

What does this even mean

[native seal]

he's cool as shit to sum it up

[rich hornet]

Idk face tattoos

[steel stirrup]

So hes gonna take a step back and let Luffy do all the work like Wyper

[barren token]

Dragon loses to imu then luffy beats imu for him

[hoary steppe]

Imu being denial of Davy D as a king is enough

[hasty sable]

“The system works!” As people are hunted for sport and bombed to death for trying to escape, as people are extorted tribute in exchange for representation and human rights, as the force of the Marines are brought down on anyone for resisting, as slavery is allowed in non-member countries, as Cipher Pol hunts down anyone who knows too much…

[unique lagoon]

angels will drop from the sky
backing up luffy ontop of redline

[steady pollen]

bye

[lofty fern]

Thr thing is, Imu doesn't actually rule. He lets others do it, with only a few exceptions. Countries can still thrive under the current system. The problem is that you can't just tear down a system and not fill it with some thing better. If you do you're cause more harm than good

[hasty sable]

It is Imu’s will which governs the world. The Gorosei are extensions of Imu.

[mighty shell]

my dad went to japan and got me souvenirs like this towel. i'm gonna wipe my ass on shanks' face

[tulip turtle]

I don’t think he’d be able to rule for even an average human lifespan. His world would eventually fall into chaos, and sooner or later someone would defeat him and take the throne again.

[steel stirrup]

ANARCHY

ANARCHY

[hasty sable]

Anarchy ending when

[prisma idol]

So he will think he won after doing an all out move but it doesn't work?

[hoary steppe]

Nah, the only problem in this op world literally cuz imu

Void century was still going cuz imu/WG

[unique lagoon]

is shanks ok?

[native seal]

we gonna get one of these

[blazing mantle]

Iori

[steel stirrup]

Bro no diffing any nigga that comes for that throne please believe that

[craggy vapor]

Then again, Rocks is not stupid and respects people that earned it. If he was king of the world, he probably would chill while letting WB or someone else manage politics.

[lofty fern]

That didn't exist till after the VC and the empty throne was established. There was no such thing prior. So whatever Davy was, it wasn't what Imu currently is. It's why both Rocks and Imu are probably correct in their statements.

[opal gulch]

Does the world need marines, would the pirates that are ravaging the world have purpise or motivation without a world government.. as i see it each island is like a micro country they are self contained.. they can take care of themselves

[barren token]

Saying wyper "took a step back" is funny when what happened was he got electricity nuked

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-old-gen-z-millenial-tiktok-gif-20680376

[haughty saddle]

Law enforcement is always necessary. The systems that compel them are not and are subject to change.

[lofty fern]

Which would be horrible. Even WB is no good at managing politics. He'd just divide the world up and give it to the likes of Kaido and Shiki

[steel stirrup]

WELL THATS TOO DAMNED BAD

YOU KEEP STEPPIN!

[haughty saddle]

You can have a Marines without an Imu/Celestial Dragons

[hoary steppe]

Rocks statement mostly from historical of his clan which is obviously fact (spoke about joyboy too)

Meanwhile Imu’s “kingdom” is full of lies

[steady pollen]

broo me bored

[barren token]

If Dragon is the Wyper of the final war he had to kill imu, then imu has to do some bullshit to revive himself than luffy beats him. Same thing Law had to go through in dressrosa

[haughty saddle]

Try #manga

[unique lagoon]

imu will just demon mode all the marines

[steel stirrup]

Why didn't Wyper dodge Enel like Usopp and Nami?

Is he stupid?

[hoary steppe]

Davy D definitely the literal king of the world

But imu denies it

[ornate tartan]

yes

[opal gulch]

Each community/island has that capacity to protect and serve their own is how i see it

[steel stirrup]

[blazing mantle]

Lowkey yes

[native seal]

Skypiea was awesome bro

[blazing mantle]

Crazy how people skip it

[native seal]

also whatever happened to dials

[haughty saddle]

Not every one. Some would need help to stave off larger threats than what they could field in a military.

[steady pollen]

ok👍

[tulip turtle]

Like do you 100% believe it?

[craggy vapor]

how dare you? I will let you know WB graduated best in class in politics and business from Goon University.

[stone terrace]

Dragon will get his cool moment

[rain dew]

Yeah

[unique lagoon]

skypiea is just the prototype of the whole story

[stone terrace]

But thats all it will be

[rich hornet]

People don’t actually skip Skypiea that’s a meme

[frozen ravine]

How did Imu turn dorry and broggy evil when they were already evil raiding pirates smh

[hasty sable]

This is the myth of necessary authority, which are ideological tools to justify entrenched power

[steel stirrup]

"Wyper got nuked"

If Usopp can dodge ts and Wyper couldn't that sounds like a Wyper problem

[ornate tartan]

Skypeia was fun

[lofty fern]

You are correct. There are problems. But having Rocks just take over the world would actually end up causing some of the same stuff to happen. Rocks would not be a good ruler. He would just give places to others like Kaido and Big Mom which would cause just as much if not more devastation.

[hoary steppe]

Rocks word ? Of course,

Would you even believe imu’s word 💀

[rain dew]

Yeah

[alpine trench]

Yo

[native seal]

I'm not even excited for dragon combat feats cause it's such a given, what I want the most right now from him is a hard ass speech

[steel stirrup]

One of my faves

[lofty fern]

Anarchy is never the answer

[rain dew]

Hi

[haughty saddle]

Wsp baby

[alpine trench]

What’s good fellas

[ornate tartan]

wassup

[steel stirrup]

Yea I'm tryna see if he got the MLK speeches to back up the Malcolm X methods

[lofty fern]

[unique lagoon]

enel revived his own heart with his DF
thinks hes a god
has a giant ship maxim
meanwhile
luffy revived himself with nika df
the sun god
has noah ship
like cmon people its all there

[haughty saddle]

Waiting for this damn Friday to be over man

[brittle basin]

Good morning.

[craggy vapor]

On a random note, I dislike Dragon’s japanese voice. It doesn’t fit him.

[fallen meteor]

What is up

[steel stirrup]

Fuck that

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-moist-critical-gif-1279463373585615177

[lofty fern]

All WB wants is his small area and a drinking buddy

[alpine trench]

Relatable as FUCK, I’m tucked into bed now though

[native seal]

he has kakashis voice wdym he recently got changed

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/excuses-files-cabinet-gif-12019483

[brittle basin]

I just woke up. Time, amirite?

[hoary steppe]

Imu even denying his own original names.. hes acting like god

[lofty fern]

Because it IS true. You need to have something to take its place or either you risk the same issue happening again, or something even worse

[opal gulch]

And why is that, why would there be such a thing in the first place. Remember roger put a fire under people's asses when he talked about one piece and treasure.. Its a proplem now because of the world government and even with them present islands get raided by pirates...

[barren token]

Because wyper actually FOUGHT Enel and didn't just RUN AROUND like a MORON

[craggy vapor]

what, really?

[steel stirrup]

He didnt deny anything he just told bro "You bouta die so why tell you anything THAT important"

[tulip turtle]

Well, I’m about 40% convinced that Davy Jones was the ruler, but what I believe even more is that Davy Jones was robbed of the throne rather than truly ruling it himself.

[alpine trench]

Fr

[native seal]

yes

[haughty saddle]

Me when the revolutionaries didn’t factor in supply chains and now my local hospital is shut down because of my relative proximity to a center of production and manufacturing and so now my insulin doesn’t come and my neighbors begin fighting over those limited resources and

[hoary steppe]

How manytimes he changed a sensitive topics

[steady pollen]

im backkkkkkkkkk

[steel stirrup]

Either the throne or the crown belonged to Davy Jones

[opal gulch]

hey luffy are you still hungry

[lofty fern]

He didn't deny the name, he's just not going to answer Cobra's question

[steel stirrup]

Bro does NOT like to talk about certain shit

[opal gulch]

i just ate all the meat bro sorry

[tulip turtle]

He didn't deny that, but just refused to answer the question.

[steel stirrup]

Those memories must be nothing but bad for bro because he doesn't even want to hear their names being said

[steady pollen]

immmmmmmmmmmmmmmm backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[haughty saddle]

The burden of revolution is one that is heavier than most are willing to bare. Hence the need for leadership even in revolutionary conditions and movements.

[craggy vapor]

well I take that back then. Just yesterday I rewatched Dragon in Logue Town and couldn’t stand his gramps voice

[hoary steppe]

Xebec clan is a victim.. the d clan.. theyre the real ones

[ornate tartan]

chill bro

[steel stirrup]

Where are the mods

Do your jobs fuckers

[lofty fern]

Well, there was no throne or crown back in Davy's day, so the title has to be reflecting something else. Imu knows more than Rocks did, so there's something more there

[native seal]

his previous voice actor was pushing 90s I think

[blazing mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-server-shantell87-gif-6292353291373768690

[native seal]

it's good they let him rest

[hoary steppe]

Imu always changing topics whenever it comes to sensitive stuff

He still didn’t answer
Is it Joyboy or Davy D

[steel stirrup]

Oh shit my bad I didnt know you was there 800 years ago

[brittle basin]

Thank you, thank you.

[blazing mantle]

Yo

Queen buffy and luffy

[lofty fern]

I think it's the same guy who did the 3rd Hokage

[hoary steppe]

Nerona imu is a real king

[native seal]

yeah hiruzen

[steel stirrup]

If Imu is leaving how did they get Xebecs sword

Must not be his sword

[opal gulch]

garp made sure to bring it back to imu

[steel stirrup]

Niggas couldn't wait to flex

[craggy vapor]

I think Obito’s voice would fit Dragon more

[brittle basin]

No relations

[steel stirrup]

And now it turns out theres nothing to flex about

[lofty fern]

Don't have to be. 2+2 still equals 4. If a world government was not created until after the VC and there was not empty throne before the VC, then there was no throne and no crown during Davy's time

[hoary steppe]

Honestly no.. if its a broken system, its better to do revolution with chaos than continuing the cycle.. my country broke dictatorship 🗣️

[steel stirrup]

Did you stretch before you jumped to those conclusions?

[haughty saddle]

What country? If you don’t mind me asking

Because I can almost 100% garuntee there was an interim government lmao

[lofty fern]

He has a perogative. Cobra trying to be nosy.

[haughty saddle]

There literally always is

[hoary steppe]

I wouldn’t answer sadly

[haughty saddle]

It’s inherent to nation states

And has been for the past few hundred years

[blazing mantle]

Will davy jones be stronger than xebec

[lofty fern]

No, I just have reading comprehension. Do you have reading comprehension?

[opal gulch]

maybe neither were kings.. i kinda beleve imu over rocks in that case since he was there during vc

[native seal]

that's bellamy

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-parkour-mental-mental-gymnastics-gif-27542831

[hoary steppe]

Nah, he isn’t noisy.. he probably shocked by imu’s name and recognize it somewhere

[steel stirrup]

Ancient Kingdom didn't have a King

Lmaooo ok HPQ

[royal orchid]

can you even have reading comprehension if you're a one piece fan

[opal gulch]

we dont know..

[hoary steppe]

You cant

[lofty fern]

You could do a revolution. Indeed you should, but if you do not having anything better to fill that hole after that, you end up in an even worse situation. France can tell you about that.

[hoary steppe]

Goda said so

[steel stirrup]

"Im gonna make Joyboy the King"

King of what?

But yea no Kings back then

Sureeee

Wink wink

[lofty fern]

You want to make the Ancient Kingdom = World now?

[opal gulch]

king of the pirates bro

[steel stirrup]

Never said that

[lofty fern]

Now you're being idiotic

[haughty saddle]

something WILL fill that hole. It is inevitable. Often times it’s the military or a civilian militia, and even more often a combination of the two.

[alpine trench]

What even is the argument here

[steel stirrup]

800 years ago?

[native seal]

brother he was the first pirate

[steel stirrup]

Bruh

[opal gulch]

yeah back when there were 3 pirates.. idunno

[runic dock]

Who said I’m gonna make joyboy king exactly? Emeth?
Perhaps he never became one

[steel stirrup]

King of 3 Pirates?

[opal gulch]

yeah im not sure.. maybe the ac

[lofty fern]

The throne and crown Imu has now is not the same as the ancient kingdom's crown and throne

[steel stirrup]

Because Davy was

[native seal]

kingdom doesn't start with a c

[haughty saddle]

There’s like 5 happening rn 😭

[steel stirrup]

Okay I'll concede that particular point

[opal gulch]

ak i meant sorry about that

[runic dock]

One rules over the world , one ruled over a single kingdom

[royal orchid]

ckingdom

[runic dock]

Ancient kingdom is what? The entire world?

[runic dock]

Pangea?

[alpine trench]

Yeah I’m kinda thrown off base by what even the common thread in this whole discussion is lmfao

[tulip turtle]

it was basically who is better ruler rocks or imu

[royal orchid]

alright guys list what you're talking about

[opal gulch]

we are all over the place

[runic dock]

Just curious , Was the ancient kingdom the kingdom of the whole world because of Pangea being a single continent irl?

[lofty fern]

Yes, and often the people that do end up being even worse. Can you imagine Rocks giving say all of West Blue to Kaido and then you basically have Wano but across that entire area?

[hoary steppe]

Lowkey nah.. even if nothing can fill the hole, the world/pepole will see that if anybad regime would happen again, then it will become the same incident again and again.. basically give the true control to the people

[steel stirrup]

Rocks said the World

[craggy vapor]

what does Imu actually do besides gooning over Vivi in the flower room? Don’t the Gorosei handle politics?

[runic dock]

I’m gonna steer it off course harder

[steel stirrup]

So until i get some more specification, he was King of the World for the time being

[royal orchid]

there's a hypothesis that the Pangea Castle is the same castle we see in the ancient Kingdom in the same place, back when the world wasn't divided in four pieces

[haughty saddle]

I won’t say they’re always worse. The case is often that whomever has the higher capacity for violence will rule, and in the conditions created by a revolution, that can go either way.

[runic dock]

Did he say ancient kingdom was that?

[lofty fern]

I know that. I was saying that the idea of King of the World back then, probably didn't have the same meaning as what Imu is today.

[opal gulch]

its hard to say, but from the murals we see it does feel like they came to close to the sun.. they opened a pandoras box.. maybe let a bunch of demons out

[steel stirrup]

No he just said Davy Ruled the World

[runic dock]

That could be true

[hoary steppe]

Imu is shown always present at reverie right ?

[frozen aspen]

steer it of the cliff

[lofty fern]

Sure, but with Rocks, what way would it go?

[steel stirrup]

No specific mention of any specific kingdom just the world itself for now

[runic dock]

That part is weird to me , because while everything you said could make sense , wouldn’t ancient kingdom be on laugh tale? Therefore the seat of the king?

[tulip turtle]

I’m interested to see what Luffy’s dream is about and what kind of world he imagines creating, especially since both Blackbeard’s and Imu’s worlds already have cracks in them.

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[tulip turtle]

Imu commands the goroseis

[alpine trench]

Tell the Gorosei who must exist and who should not (the great cleansing), instruct the Gorosei and Holy Knights on actions they must commit in a variety of countries and have long term plans on the shape of the world they want to and how to execute them

Basically the executive power entirely lies with Imu

[opal gulch]

its either a ufo because his hats kinda resembles one.. or luffy wants to travel to the moon.. sorry for spoiling

[haughty saddle]

Dunno. I don’t know enough about Rocks to say. Maybe he would be a tyrant, maybe he would give more leisure to individual kingdoms, maybe he would have a somehow even more unfair taxation system than the WG. I don’t think it would be possible to get too much worse than the current system though. I understand your point about how the current socioeconomic system seems to work for a portion of the population, but only in a very bare bones sense. I wouldn’t call it a decent life.

[lofty fern]

People need guidance and direction. All you'd have then is people with more power taking power from those that are weaker and everything going to anarchy. Power to the people only works if you have responsible people to guide it

[steel stirrup]

Have we seen the World if BB ruled it?

[runic dock]

I always figured laugh tale WAS a part of the ancient kingdom , did imu move the castle of Pangea?

[steel stirrup]

This system that clearly doesnt work definitely is garbage

[alpine trench]

It’s honestly hard to even tell how Rocks would fare as a king but based on his leadership potential and the way he held his crew together, it doesn’t inspire much confidence

[lofty fern]

If we go by what Rocks promised, he was just going to divide the world up among his followers, the Rocks Pirates

[haughty saddle]

Stephen Miller be like; hell yeah

[hoary steppe]

Rocks is not full anarchy tho?

Shakys bar is an example

[tulip turtle]

Well, nope. But looking at Pirate Island, maybe if he ruled it, it could end up like that.

[steel stirrup]

If you're strong that sounds fun

Weak niggas in shambles

[craggy vapor]

Maybe laugh tale is the remains of God Valley

[alpine trench]

Only Shakky’s bar had those rules

The rest of the island was kind of a free for all space

[runic dock]

That’s why he wasn’t the one and luffy is , no good king ever willingly wanted to rule

[alpine trench]

I mean

[steel stirrup]

PvP was enabled everywhere but Shakkys bar

[haughty saddle]

This already happened under the WG as well though. The WG allowed for Kaido and Big Mom to have their lands as a balance of powers. The WG sponsored people like Doflamingo and Crocodile.

[alpine trench]

That’s not always true

[lofty fern]

He adheres to rules given to him sometimes, but would he enact his own? Especially once drunk on power? And would he even be able to keep power? We see from Wang Zhi, several things happened underneath his notice

[hoary steppe]

[alpine trench]

Several good kings/leaders have wanted to rule and put the effort to want to be king/leader

[lofty fern]

This would actually be giving it to them and giving them much more land than before, with no marines to do anything

[haughty saddle]

It’s like one of those “Y would happen under X system, I’m glad we live under Z” hypotheticals. Y already happens in Z too lol

[haughty saddle]

This was already the material reality in the current system

[steel stirrup]

Until a dickhead who has been empowered by the WG comes and tries to coup they asses

[haughty saddle]

It WAS given to Big Mom and Kaido, as they did nothing to circumvent or challenge their rule. They were allowed to exist explicitly as a balance of powers.

[alpine trench]

Realistically, “No good king is willing to rule” is kinda very naive as a notion

[steel stirrup]

They made no attempts to stop any of that shit

[haughty saddle]

SAY IT AGAIN HARSH ! ! !

[upbeat yarrow]

exactly what i had in mind, he could barely hold a crew together, dont even think about handling nations or the world
and he didnt seem like the guy who would have people working under him, all he seemed to care was about power and letting the davy bloodline prevail

[hoary steppe]

Wang zhi and other people is the problem, not xebec .. in the end he still gain loyalty to these criminals bcuz ? We dont know exactly why right?

Xebec, bb have their own mysterious way to get people ‘freedom’

[alpine trench]

He had more of a human bent than that but simply based on what qualities he showed as a leader, don’t know if he could’ve done the job well

[native seal]

how strong was wang zhi

[steel stirrup]

Sounds great to me I'll take two

[runic dock]

True but It’s just a trope that Luffy follows

[lofty fern]

Think of it instead as there would be no savior for what Doflamingo did. Everything he did would be legal same for Croc. At least in the current regime. The Marines and WG do try to curb those things at least to make themselves look good

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[upbeat yarrow]

tbh id take someone who governs the world based on vibes

[alpine trench]

Because in his mind, the very specific title of Pirate King operates on a level of total freedom

[hoary steppe]

This is how xebec recruited WB btw

[haughty saddle]

There wasn’t a savior for them IN THIS SYSTEM. An outside player had to come get involved and force their hand.

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/labul-gong-gif-25780334

[lofty fern]

He would be giving people this power and wouldn't really care all that much what happens to parts of the world that he doesn't find important to him. What does he care if Alabasta is destroyed? He doesn't know anyone there. 🤷

[ornate tartan]

what chapter was xebec recruiting WB shown??

[steel stirrup]

Every time i hear Wang Zhi I also hear a gong being stuck

[ornate tartan]

i must’ve missed it

[hoary steppe]

We donno

[ornate tartan]

ohh

[alpine trench]

The world government is perhaps one of the worst governments I’ve ever seen in fiction, absolutely nightmarish

[craggy vapor]

I think WB was recruited from the start

[runic dock]

I remind myself to catch up to kingdom

[lofty fern]

Yes, but who made it stick? Luffy can't. He leaves. Its the WG that actually arrests these people and stops them from trying again.

[haughty saddle]

Because their hand was forced.

[alpine trench]

The very next chapter to Rocks introduction, he was recruited through a Davy Back fight

[frozen aspen]

we are only told that rocks got his crewmates through davy jones backfights so thats how he got WB probably

[haughty saddle]

I do not disagree that a government has to exist, Buffy

[frozen aspen]

no exaxt date is mentioned though

[royal orchid]

that's an interesting idea but in that line I would think laugh tale is a part joyboy stole for himself with his powers

[lofty fern]

I don't disagree. All I'm saying is that you can't just topple it and hope for the best. There needs to be a good plan and I don't think Rock's plan was a good one

[alpine trench]

I agree on that

[hoary steppe]

🗿 okay thats too political for xebec that all we know hes runing a criminal pirate… wait..

Even so, imu dictatorship is unbearable, even there’s a hole.. it should be broken up by now

[steel stirrup]

My headcanon is Rocks won WB in a Davy Back fight against this nigga

[alpine trench]

Rocks was way in over his head

[haughty saddle]

Merely that the current system is almost as bad as you can get with how it treats the average person, and I would find it hard to argue that whatever world Xebec would legislate wouldnt be lateral in freedoms to what they have now.

[royal orchid]

saw this just now

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOOOO

[alpine trench]

Ok man

[steel stirrup]

😭😭😭

[alpine trench]

LOL

[lofty fern]

But they CAN do something. Now what if they couldn't? Luffy takes down Croc and he just takes power again the minute they leave. Luffy and friends can't make anything stick unless they stay there full time and they're not going to do that

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-i-understand-i-know-gif-16483599

[hoary steppe]

I didnt say xebec will be a great king

But imu regime should be destroyed no matter what it cost

[steel stirrup]

#manga message

[royal orchid]

if you could appoint ministries to rocks pirates who would be the best at each

[haughty saddle]

They could have killed him tbf. Or local law enforcement takes care of them. Killing them would be the best option, but. Look at Fishman Island. The world government didn’t lock up Hody Jones. The local government did.

[frozen aspen]

im having a hard time believing anyine could be a worse king that Mr. "I blow up islands just because"

[lofty fern]

If the cost is the destruction of the world and everyone dies, is it still worth it?

[hoary steppe]

But we are talking about larger scale

Someone literally control the world, genocide, war and racism for 800 years

[steel stirrup]

Imu face reveal

[hoary steppe]

Its not.. xebec didnt chase that stuff ?

[frozen aspen]

I doubt rocks would just destroy the world

[haughty saddle]

If Oda wasn’t a coward and the target audience wasn’t 15 year old halfwits, Luffy would just beat these people to death

Like he did with Kaido

[lofty fern]

Yes, I'm saying what if the loyal government WAS Croc. Let's say Rocks gave it to him. Then there's nothing the local can do

[steel stirrup]

Chinjao: "IT WAS ME GARP, IT WAS ALWAYS ME"

[frozen aspen]

wasn't there a poll yhat said a majority of current one piece fans are adults anyways rn?

[haughty saddle]

that’s what happened in this system as well.

[hoary steppe]

BRUH

[steel stirrup]

Came out in 97 that's basic math right there

[stone terrace]

Anarchy will always stabilize

[craggy vapor]

I don’t care what anybody says, Rocks as king of the world is better than Imu because there will be no world for humans if Imu the sea god wants to drown it.

[alpine trench]

Another reason Kaido was killed is because Kaido never would’ve compromised on being a lesser party post his defeat like Croc, because he is so strong he can just spam it all back again

[hoary steppe]

THIS SERIES IS 26 yeara old 😭

[upbeat yarrow]

i still find it hilarious that oda wanted a federation with corrupt oligarchs and military forces in his story and he just called it THE GOVERNMENT

other authors would have called something more fantasy-sounding but oda is just that fucking based

[frozen aspen]

Yeah I know

[steel stirrup]

Facts

[steel stirrup]

28*

[hoary steppe]

Oh

[lofty fern]

But we have the marines here and Croc wasn't supposed to do what he did. So he get arrested for it. In the previous one that can't happen

[hoary steppe]

DAYM

[frozen aspen]

but people keep arguing that because one piece is serialized in shonen jump its target audience is kids

[steel stirrup]

I mean thats also true

[hoary steppe]

They should add, it was

[steel stirrup]

Two things can be true at once

[lofty fern]

Japan doesn't care about a little blood as long as no one dies lol

[steel stirrup]

The OG fans are grown up but the manga itself is still advertised for young adult men

[frozen aspen]

Like I get it but after 30+ years most your audience is not little kids. Besides since shonen is aimed at teenagers you can afford to goa little darker. No teen will bat their eyes at luffy killing a slaverer

[haughty saddle]

Luffy comes along and beats Crocodile in this hypothetical Xebec world. Koza, or Cobra, or whoever says hey man thanks for this. We’re gonna drive a dagger through this guy’s eyeball and twist until he’s only thinking about milkshakes. Luffy says no problem man he was a cockhead. Xebec gets the news and goes damn, Crocodile got fucked up? By who? Damn, that’s crazy. Who’s in charge now? Eh, whatever.

[hoary steppe]

But ace

[steel stirrup]

Imagine One Piece as a Seinen

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fire-first-ace-bee-luffy-portgas-d-ace-gif-1238993633937727541

[frozen aspen]

I think ace might genuinely be the reason ofa no longer kills characters

[haughty saddle]

Yeah instead you just kill them

Justice served, baby

[royal orchid]

when you're trying to discuss bias and character philosophy with someone but they just start talking about upscale

[haughty saddle]

In fact that’s what SHOULD have been done to Crocodile and Doflamingo in the first place

[frozen aspen]

everytime he thinks about killing a characters off that is mildly popular he gets war flashbacks

[lofty fern]

And then Wang Zhi sees Croc is out and all they have is weak normal humans and he enslaves the land now. Rocks again goes, whatever

[hoary steppe]

Fr

I know kidd wont die too

[steel stirrup]

Turn my brain off and go to #manga type beat

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/labul-gong-gif-25780334

[hard fulcrum]

Given what Crocodile wanted, Luffy preventing him from pushing further along his Utopia plan is good for the WG in that moment. Cobra's still toeing the line, while Crocodile wanted Pluton to back up a non-WG nation he intended to create.

Croc's defeat also makes the Summit War possible.

[hoary steppe]

Wtf with these gong means

[stone terrace]

Lucci upscale

[frozen aspen]

meek>>>meeks

[steel stirrup]

Every time I hear Wang Zhi i hear a gong being struck

[haughty saddle]

Maybe. Maybe Luffy takes him out too. Maybe it’s not worth it for Wang Zhi.

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/al-murray-taskmaster-gong-wig-smash-gif-26533172

[hoary steppe]

Also

If they tried to find out who sell shakky

We know wang zi will get the ‘justice’

[haughty saddle]

Isn’t that one of the like, core parts of Fishman Island and Wano? That Luffy claims it as his territory to ward off other pirate crews?

And with Wano; that their local people would be strong enough to stave off those threats to not be always at the whims of whoever comes along and disregards Luffy’s claim?

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/kiki-kiki's-delivery-service-sigma-gif-12520785437324162622

[haughty saddle]

That’s like, in the manga. As an explicit outlining of how their geopolitics works

[hoary steppe]

Xebec obeys the law 🗣️
No fight in shakky bar even tho roger in his territory

[royal orchid]

Rocks is the kindest soul in all of one piece

he never commited a crime

[craggy vapor]

Regarding Kaido and Big Mom’s death, I’ve thought it over and over and there is simply no way that they survived a magma bath. Not only their skin and organs would be burned black, but they would suffucate and their blood would evaporate. No haki in the world would prevent that.

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/putz-im-done-i-quit-nope-nope-nope-nope-gif-13344528

[hoary steppe]

Another akainu upscale

[craggy vapor]

I was thinking the same thing

[hoary steppe]

Bless the one piece god

[hard fulcrum]

A magma homie would, so it's theoretically possible.

[clever idol]

Like nevermind the fact thay they would drown in magma and their insides would burn from the inside out

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[upbeat yarrow]

i refuse to believe big mom is gone for good

[clever idol]

Let her die man

[hoary steppe]

Its 2025…..

[clever idol]

Just let go

[hoary steppe]

Bout to say that 😭

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-funny-hood-just-let-it-go-bruh-its-over-gif-2300031300461303277

[upbeat yarrow]

kaido is dead, he chillin with saturn right now

but not big mom bro

[clever idol]

What r u holding onto? All this hope just for her to come back and what? Say semla for 25 chapterz?

[upbeat yarrow]

this is my hill and i will rot in it

[hoary steppe]

Nah she ded ded

[royal orchid]

the guy who can only be hurt by aCoC attacks is dead but big mom who got bodied by a ball of metal and a sword isn't

[hoary steppe]

And nuke

[clever idol]

Pls remember that if she c9mes back theres a high chance its another hunger pangs episode