also-manga

[sage temple]

Oh ic

[leaden rivet]

Loki can’t be any of them

[wet condor]

Doffy was something like 10

[urban lodge]

Do characters who got it as kids but couldn't control it count?

[stone terrace]

Yamato was 8

[wet condor]

Yamato was even younger

yeah

[leaden rivet]

Loki will barely be relevant after this arc except a strawhat ally. He’ll be like Barto or smthn.

[somber flare]

Oh yeah

[sage temple]

Bart isn't on the mural

So...

I don't see much connection

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard isn’t either

[sage temple]

The mural seems to depict Luffy's allies

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard is the wild card or whatever

[sage temple]

True

[frigid gulch]

Well yes but what would he have done if Sommers got up while he was dealing with Killingham. Or was he going to do something else

[sage temple]

Idk why this matters anyways this doesn't take away from Loki's importance at all

[leaden rivet]

Loki will be a Luffy ally, like I said. And he will also be irrelevant after this arc until the final war like I said.

[urban lodge]

That's not even Loki anyway

That's his great great great grandpa

[sage temple]

Yeah it's just a suspiciously Loki looking giant

[tranquil blade]

That is definitely a Loki equivalent

[sage temple]

Right

For sure Penny

[tranquil blade]

Except he has a really long toothpick in the mural

[leaden rivet]

I wonder if it’s just a matter of beating them with coc until they die

[frigid gulch]

Loki becomes Harald 2.0 soon

[sage temple]

Nika has a sword in the mural

[stone terrace]

Loki is a hammerman not a spearman

[urban lodge]

You can start claiming it's Loki when Loki starts fighting with a spear

[frigid gulch]

[sage temple]

Does Luffy wield swords?

[stone terrace]

Thats not luffy

[maiden charm]

That's hajrudin gang

[sage temple]

Symbolism, Icon, symbolism

[frigid gulch]

He will be like Harald too

[tranquil blade]

I know that's not the literal Loki I'm just saying it's a shitty weapon

[frigid gulch]

In some ways

[frigid gulch]

It might actually be Rocks + Harald

[sage temple]

Also, Loki said he is the Nika that will bring the world to ruin

And he fought with Rocks I doubt he'd just be discarded after this arc until the FW

Ah I almost forgot

[stone terrace]

Sun god

[sage temple]

The giants call Loki's fruit legendary

So

🤷‍♂️

[fluid cedar]

giant giant model nika maybe

[maiden charm]

Sun sun fruit

[sage temple]

Nobody else has a proclaimed legendary fruit except for Luffy

Literally not a single reason for Loki to be left out of future arcs

[cunning narwhal]

nika god of destruction guys

i could bet my life savings on this if i could

[sage temple]

Bet your firstborn child

[somber flare]

Loki will probably be the main giant ally in the final war

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/chase34-flight-reacts-shocked-flightreacts-gif-7493028335865290326

[tranquil blade]

Are different interpretations of the same being enough to create separate fruits

[sage temple]

Also Luffy asked Loki to join the crew, which Loki declined

Lots of strawhats share this

[maiden charm]

If what vegapunk says is true, then yes

[sage temple]

I'm not saying it confirms he's on but it makes it quite likely

Ngl

@urban lodge lets make a bet for a 1 month mute on Loki being included in the next arc

[somber flare]

I hope it happens

[cunning narwhal]

if the belief that nika was a liberator that fought with a smile on his face had a fruit that matched it, it makes sense that there'd be a god of destruction fruit too

[maiden charm]

Same,I want bibelot to shrink him

[somber flare]

Lilith can make some shit to shrink him

[sage temple]

Don't think that's in Bibleot's power list 😭

[urban lodge]

I don't do bets

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-fortnite-family-guy-chicken-popular-vibe-the-weeknd-gif-3449867671768307845

[maiden charm]

We've seen the bird for a few panels and some fishy ass librarian gave us the explanation. I'll wait for the bird itself to do/say something

[sage temple]

I hear chicken ngl can you repeat that

[urban lodge]

If you want month long bets you know who to bet with

[cunning narwhal]

(me)

[sage temple]

[leaden rivet]

Is meek currently muted

[sage temple]

Wanna bet

[leaden rivet]

Or no he had to leave for the bet

[maiden charm]

Hell nah 🤣

I like to lurk in peace thank u very much

[stone terrace]

Ill bet

[maiden charm]

I don't need them to do it for me

[cunning narwhal]

i'll take you up on the "will loki show up next arc" bet

[formal wagon]

ishy

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-nervous-nervous-driking-water-drinking-water-gif-18652043

[maiden charm]

Maybe if we knew what the next arc might be ye, but it could be anything atp

[formal wagon]

there hasn't been enough eustass die hard posting

[sage temple]

Ok you get muted for 1 month if Biblio the Owl doesn't have shrinking powers while I get muted for 1 month if Biblio the Owl does have shrinking powers and if Biblio has neither, nothing happens

[formal wagon]

agenda isn't the same anymore

[stone terrace]

No fuck that owl

[sage temple]

Yeah yall are sheep

What were you trying to bet on then

[cunning narwhal]

man you're ducking from the loki bet

[stone terrace]

Domi reversi loki

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david-confused-unsure-undecided-gif-3294343

[formal wagon]

the current agendas in the spotlight have too much going for them, we need a new underdog

[maiden charm]

Domi Hajrudin might be bet worthy

[somber flare]

Us Kid fans are patiently waiting for him to show up to Elbaph and kill Gunko

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-slime-podcast-mase-camron-gif-16995436075864735903

[sage temple]

Fuck Hajrudin

[sage temple]

Alr

Week long mute ?

[stone terrace]

Name + avi for 2 weeks

[cunning narwhal]

switch to the usopp agenda. at least he'll do something this arc 😭

[sage temple]

What's avi

[stone terrace]

Pfp

[sage temple]

...

[somber flare]

Debatable

[sage temple]

I lowk fw that

Yeah

[tidal rune]

Nah, it’s Brook’s arc now

[cunning narwhal]

breathing counts for my argument

[somber flare]

Oh

[sage temple]

Alr

[cunning narwhal]

bro theres so much gold waiting for us after this flashback ends. i really wanna see brook and gunko's backstory

[sage temple]

If Loki does get Domi Reversi-ed, You get to change my avatar and name for 2 weeks

If Loki doesn't get Domi Reversi-ed, I get to change your avatar and name for 2 weeks

[stone terrace]

I agree

[sage temple]

Get ready to be | Loki Agenda Spreader | number 3

[strong wadi]

Damn, how are we allowing socrates to be correct over another person

[stone terrace]

I have something special for you boy

[sage temple]

[cunning narwhal]

that is the safest bet ever for you socrates 😭

[urban lodge]

Loki is getting reversi'd

[cunning narwhal]

wanna actually bet something?

[sage temple]

I'm getting his PFP ready and everything

Icon will join my underling squad

[somber flare]

I feel like losing to Socrates wouldn’t even be that bad cuz it would just be some Loki agenda shit

[strong wadi]

Not if oda wants elbaf to be good

[urban lodge]

Either that or Garling slander

[somber flare]

That’s better than getting a slander name of somebody you like

[sage temple]

Nah he doesn't even care about Garling

[tidal rune]

Yeah, I hope Brook will save Gunko like awakened his DF to revive her or something. I mean, the only solution to DR is to kill them (for now). Or, Imu might do it like what happened to Saturn.

[urban lodge]

His idol and his dad both got reversi'd and died, he will get too but he'll get saved by the real nika

[strong wadi]

We cant let Loki lose his aura too

[sage temple]

Loki has lots of distinguishing factors

For one neither his idol or his dad had a LEGENDARY devil fruit

Special eyes

[urban lodge]

His only hope is if he actually does have a nika variation

[sage temple]

And previous experience fighting them

I'm tryna think between these two

[strong wadi]

damn, bro is trying hard to make loki unappealing

[honest garden]

Saliva alt better

[sage temple]

Idk red looks good on Icon

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-meme-team-rocket-jesse-gif-25607517

[sage temple]

Avatar includes role color right

[stone terrace]

No

[sage temple]

Alr I'll have to make it look red then

[stone terrace]

But im not that petty idrc

[sage temple]

No I want it to be red so everyone knows it's you

[sage temple]

#nooticing

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-one-piece-gif-7280853352718904912

[calm wave]

they'd low dif luffy and loki combined

[hazy echo]

https://fixupx.com/OutOfContxtDubs/status/1989087980724842695

Out Of Context International Dubs (@OutOfContxtDubs)

Show: One Piece (1999)
︀︀Language: English
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Henry Thurlow (@henry_thurlow)

A word regarding the passing of ONE PIECE series director Tatsuya Nagamine.
︀︀Rest in Peace Nagamine-san.

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FixupX · Nov 13, 2025, 4:13 PM

[prisma idol]

Sad news and wish the best for the family of the director of thru have any... but I have to post this when I see Henry

[scenic dirge]

lmfao

Queen just whipping out all the germa abilities was fucking hilarious

[grand flower]

I had to break into my own apartment

First Victoria had me fucked up

Now tjis

And no chapter

This day ain’t shit

[scenic dirge]

who is victoria

[stray prism]

[native seal]

100k twitter banger

[grand flower]

Tbh

[blazing depot]

RIP Cole Brown, the original dub voice for Blackbeard

[grand flower]

Does he say fucking delicious

[formal wagon]

who's the tom brady of one piece

[sick dust]

Garling

He gotten a title he didn’t deserve or earned

And is able to get away from the consequences of his actions

Like the real tom Brady

[formal wagon]

you must be thinking of a different tom brady

i'm talking about the goat

[olive sigil]

Robin with the way she deflated the balls

[grand flower]

Sounds like a wonderful man who created beautiful experiences RIP

[grand flower]

Shanks or Zoro tbh

Luffy: Anderson Silva

Kaido: Jon Jones

[somber flare]

Mihawk is Jon Jones

I won't elaborate

[hazy turret]

Oh she cooked the life out of you

[glass plume]

https://x.com/siyangou49/status/1945864970610381196

爱吃辣小狗 (@siyangou49)

#onepiece #crocodile 🐊

X · Jul 17, 2025, 3:15 PM

[unique lagoon]

someone tell the artist hes missing an arm

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-one-piece-gif-6227064867492817497

[late compass]

crocodile has way too much aura for a guy that gets no diffed by a water bottle

[unique lagoon]

it really is tragic

in a world full of water 😔

[craggy vapor]

Crocodile served his purpose in the story. He has been reduced to a henchman of Buggy

[unique lagoon]

bring back my boi
coat his sand with haki so he blocks water

i dont think ive seen a single logia coat their element with haki

smoker haki flying fist dont count

dont think kuzan even made ice haki

same with kizaru laser sword

GB might have but thats still debatable

[craggy vapor]

Smoker needs to train with Garp or Sengoku

[unique lagoon]

my take on smoker is hes going to do something reckless against WG
cuz he got inspired by fujitora
not saying he will succeed tho

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/vergo-one-piece-gif-25423015

The all purple

[unique lagoon]

ok buddy

logia show me logia

[sand plinth]

the dumbest thing was that it took a lot of water to do anything to crocodile, but apprently luffy has infinite blood

[rose rune]

Why. I don't care about logia

[unique lagoon]

why did u reply with vergo then

[rose rune]

Because he is the haki king

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

his haki is stronger than smoker if thats what you mean

[craggy vapor]

BB is half Logia. Have we seen him use Haki?

[unique lagoon]

WAS stronger than sanji

[sand plinth]

i dont rly get why bbs fruit is called a logia

[rose rune]

All I care about is him being all purple

[unique lagoon]

was pica also purple

[rose rune]

He was also very purple

But he had armor

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/pica-pica-one-piece-dressrosa-one-piece-swordsman-gif-9822379044617961093

[olive sigil]

Larry David has haki?

[unique lagoon]

oh yeah he has CoC
will so strong it affects everyone around him

in a bad way

[sand plinth]

he has observation haki that lets him choose the worst possible future for himself in any situation

[olive sigil]

Thi… that pfp

[craggy vapor]

not sure myself. We haven’t seen the logia typical intangibility yet with his fruit. Maybe it’s paramecia afterall

[unique lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-david-larry-curb-your-enthusiasm-curb-larry-david-meme-gif-12435201666923330077

[rose rune]

Yeah. I'm a Robin fan now

It's over for me

[sand plinth]

i think it really does function more like a paramecia but oda was just saying logia because it was new and exciting (oda IS NOT a reliable source)

[olive sigil]

That’s not Robin…

[rose rune]

I know

I had a pig last week. Don't think too much about it

[olive sigil]

That’s also not Robin

[unique lagoon]

live action pfp

[rose rune]

Just think of me as somewhat chaotic

[glass plume]

whose live action Shamrock?

Orlando Bloom would probably knock it out of the park, but let's be real we ain't getting to live action Elbaph

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-will-gif-27313942

[unique lagoon]

that guy is old now

[glass plume]

yeah that too

[olive sigil]

You just use the same guy as shanks

[vale heath]

Peter Gadiot

[rich hornet]

I’ll be amazed if we get live action Franky

[latent hamlet]

Random thought
Logia awakening they just become a whole ass elemental like they come from DnD

[vale heath]

…man Shūichi Ikeda is gonna be retired by the time Shanks gets the primary focus

That sucks

[latent hamlet]

Akainu awakening he just becomes a primordial lava elemental monster that was sleeping in a volcano for a 1000 years

[grand flower]

Fuck yeah

I wonder if Logia awakenings turns their element from something based on earth’s nature to something based on extraterrestrial/cosmic nature

[latent hamlet]

The paramecias already stole the "I turn inanimate things into my fruit power"

Logia should just be "mother nature has finally given me a proper form"

[vale heath]

Advanced conqueror’s is Armament 2

[latent hamlet]

Akainu should be looking like this mfer for an awakening

[vale heath]

It is very possible logia and paramecia awakening are similar

And in fact I’m expecting a back reveal that Sakazuki and Kuzan were awoken this whole time

[latent hamlet]

Oh I think they'll spread their element around easily

But way I see it
Logias tend to be like...
Human except the specific body part that they channel their element power

https://tenor.com/view/akainu-sakazuki-gif-12605077068643442682

Like u see here, that part of him is just magma but he's still maintaining human form

Im saying they should say fuck humanity, become a literal incarnate of nature like the elementals u see in other fiction and dnd

Like imagine if Croc just fell in the desert laughing
Silence
Then the desert starts shaking and molding into a physical shape of sand and earth becoming a giant monster

[grand flower]

Only thing I’m sure of is logia awakenings will be nuts

[latent hamlet]

"You can squirt water at me to make me solid Straw Hat? Can you do that to the entire desert!?"

[latent hamlet]

Unless oda goes "nah they just convert the ground to element. Gg'

U know
What if imu was actually a Logia fruit...that just happened to be compatible with the sea

Minus the weird ass tentacles and demon shit

[craggy vapor]

DF awakenings don’t seem to matter much going forward because Haki transcends all ™

[latent hamlet]

But its more fun

[grand flower]

Yeah but then we saw Awakenings disprove that

[craggy vapor]

that’s because Haki was used

[latent hamlet]

Tbh im kind of on team "haki kinda boring"

[craggy vapor]

Haki was a necessary evil otherwise Logias would be unbeatable.

[latent hamlet]

Oh as a plot device I understand

Its the normal fighter dood getting the supernatural powers to beat magic vibe

[craggy vapor]

unless you’re Crocodile

[latent hamlet]

But in terms of depiction, the actual showcasing comes from the character's natural abilities

Garp+Roger combined their haki to beat Rocks but their haki isnt their super move

Even something like galaxy impact
Is it a "haki technique" or is garp just built different that he punches giant shockwaves with pure force

[grand flower]

Idk about that

[latent hamlet]

Most of the haki stuff in general is just an enhancement of physical stuff
Observation is basically 6th sense
Armament....hit hard defend gud
Conqueror coating....hit harder harder

Also defend gud even more gud

The natural conqueror haki is arguably the 1 true technique it has, actively using your own will to knock out people unconscious, only works on weaklings tho

[unique lagoon]

i mean.. thats def haki

[latent hamlet]

He infused his attacks with haki for sure
But is haki NEEDED to do that or is garp just built diff

Pre-ts zoro can do air slashes naturally

Actually scratch that

Remember when zoro and luffy did a combined air shockwave blast strong enough to punch a hole in a super tidal wave

[craggy vapor]

Without Haki Garps punches wouldn’t hurt Luffy

[iron oriole]

They would

Garp uses the power of love to hurt Luffy

[latent hamlet]

Thats not my point

Im saying for these amazing supernatural techniques in OP

Is Haki needed

Or is haki just
"Haha I hurt u now your bs power is turned off"

Cuz im saying haki is mostly just appearing as somewhat boring physical enhancements vs the more diverse movesets and powers of fruits

U got the 5 elders marching more like the 5 Demon Lords of Hell itself

[craggy vapor]

No as we have seen in pre-TS fights. But Haki made everything strong it made DFs kinda pointless if you’re a Haki merchant like Shanks.

[iron oriole]

"DFs kinda pointless" is wild

We just had Wano that had a massive DF merchant in there going 1v20

[latent hamlet]

Haki is more of an equalizer than DF being pointless

Despite kaido going "haki is best gg lmao"

[craggy vapor]

in the context of strong Haki. DFs were more relevant pre-TS. Now it’s all about Haki

[latent hamlet]

This was his best move

https://tenor.com/view/kaidou-kaido-dragon-kaido-kaido-dragon-gif-16296413893091795762

"Haki is the best...even tho im a giant island sized fire dragon that can probably literally burn the island itself"

[iron oriole]

But its not all about haki

Luffy literally won in Wano because of a DF awakening

[latent hamlet]

And won with a more entertaining moveset more importantly

[craggy vapor]

He used Haki. Without it, he wouldn’t even damage Kaido

[latent hamlet]

Mfer turns giant and yeets lightning bolts
Can haki do that

[iron oriole]

And without G5 he's dead

Literally

His heart stopped

[craggy vapor]

The Nika fruit is kinda bullshit tho

[iron oriole]

Hell lets even go to Elbaf, where one of the main plot points is Loki eating a Legendary DF

[iron oriole]

Goal post moving

[latent hamlet]

I mean haki literally got conqueror defense now

"If u aren't high enough level, 0 damage"

[grand flower]

I’m talking about the fact that Kaido and Big Mom couldnt undo Awakened alterations to them

[craggy vapor]

Exactly. If DFs were so relevant, then Caesar could have killed the whole verse by cutting off oxygen.

[latent hamlet]

....well didnt he cut off oxygen for luffy and others?

And in the end
Its caesar

Some fruits are capable of insanity but they're limited by the user

[craggy vapor]

only temporarily

[iron oriole]

[latent hamlet]

Temporarily is a super long time for something as important as oxygen lol

[grand flower]

?

[craggy vapor]

nah, humans can live a couple minutes without breathing. Then we have One Piece humans

[craggy vapor]

that’s related to Imu. We still don’t know much about her/him.

[fluid cedar]

If lokis fruit was passed on for generations in his family why didn’t harald eat it

[iron oriole]

So... in relation to Imu they're relevant but any other context they're irrelevant?

[craggy vapor]

Imu is special in case you haven’t figured it out yet

[iron oriole]

@rose rune

[latent hamlet]

Maybe
Just maybe
He didnt wanna

[latent hamlet]

Rocks was looking for the anti-imu anti-imu fruit

Completely useless unless the enemy is imu

[iron oriole]

Maybe he was hunting for the haki haki no mi

[fluid cedar]

Why not

[craggy vapor]

maybe he likes swimming

[iron oriole]

You know... DFs being irrelevant & all...

It must be the haki haki no mi to be relevant

[fluid cedar]

thats reasonable

[craggy vapor]

what could’ve been the reason Harald ripped off his horn?

[fluid cedar]

for betraying rocks’s friendship maybe

[craggy vapor]

how are his horns related to friendship with Rocks?

[fluid cedar]

Idk

[grand flower]

But like

That’s a super important plot

[grand flower]

Well making himself suffer as an apology to rocks works as one level

Though I wouldn’t recommend this kids, don’t self harm as a way to show love unless you’re okay with being a certified crazy person in need of help

On another level, the government wants to use the giants as soldiers and reduce them to their warring past

[latent hamlet]

It was actually the first sign of harald turning into a demon

He didnt need giant horns
He needed demon horns

[grand flower]

Harald ripping out the symbol of that past, his ancient giant horns, can be symbolic of saying he will never allow them to be reduced to someone’s soldiers

[latent hamlet]

Rocks: anyways be my soldiers

[craggy vapor]

yes, but again we still know too little about Imu. Maybe we really need the 2 DFs Rocks was talking about, but maybe Imu will pull a “you thought you needed those 2 DFs, surprise MFs, they’re useless against me now” or something. It’s too early to tell. Maybe Oda wants to to believe those 2 DFs are needed.

[wide star]

that seems to be the case that without those 2 DFs you can’t do anything to Imu

since we just saw all the legends attack imu with insanely strong haki together and it did absolutely nothing

[sand plinth]

i wonder whats gonna happen once theres a counter to the regeneration, because all of those characters (including the elders tbh) seem kinda weak

[wide star]

they’re all cooked lol

[sand plinth]

although i guess it makes sense, they were scared of the emperors

which wouldnt make sense if they were strong enough to easily beat them

actually shaking in their boots wondering if it was better to take out joyboy or kaido

well if taking out joyboy was worth making kaido mad

now that i think about it, it makes a lot of sense that rocks could make it to the flower room who tf was gonna stop him lmao

[stuck pagoda]

Gorosei

[sand plinth]

the five elders were also in the room trying to regenerate while rocks was chatting it up with imu

after seeing egghead i really dont see them being that big of a threat to him lol

[wide star]

we saw their strongest holy knight get embarrassed by him already , we already saw how the gorosei move in egghead and they couldn’t stop anything lol

[glass plume]

the gorosei were probably busy with handling the reverie if i had to guess

[sand plinth]

legit even if they were there it wouldnt have mattered imo

[stuck pagoda]

Warcury no selled gear 5 Luffy lol

[glass plume]

i mean yeah, they should have rushed to Imu's side

[wide star]

Warcury still couldn’t stop luffy , dorry or brogy

[stuck pagoda]

True

[glass plume]

but... seems like they didn't need to after all
given Xebec knew that he wasn't a match for Imu either way, so it was more of an empty threat i suppose

[iron oriole]

Classic, people underrating the Gorosei

[sand plinth]

imu didnt end rocks there and let him run around for another 2+ years, either he couldnt kill him or wasnt that concerned (HUH?)

[glass plume]

just because they didn't outclass an emperor, lol

[sand plinth]

legit let rocks consolidate power for 2 straight years

[stuck pagoda]

But ur forgetting Luffy plot armor

Rocks don’t have the same

[glass plume]

i think that Imu wasn't interested, until they heard that they are a relative of Davy Jones

[wide star]

that’s the point , if the gorosei couldn’t outclass luffy then it’s no way in hell anybody is gonna think they could do any better with Rocks lol if anything they would do even worst

[glass plume]

Imu seemed to not be bothered when Xebec came in unannounced

[stuck pagoda]

Dory and Broggy looked like 2016 Kyrie Irving and Kevin love out there in egghead when normally they ass

[iron oriole]

Almost like Nusjuro didn't speed blitz across the island or Wacury didn't get tank feats like Kaido, oh wait... they did

[glass plume]

yeah... they tend to neglect those things

[sand plinth]

yeah true, i guess there is only one really specific way to beat imu and anything short of that is just boring admin stuff for the gorosei and navy to deal with

[glass plume]

Imu is probably the only true immortal, unlike the gorosei and god knights i doubt that Imu actually can die

if you're not Nika that is

[wide star]

so they look ass vs everybody else except the gorosei ? hmm i wonder why that is lol

[iron oriole]

At least Gunko too tbh, probably Gorosei as well bar Garling

[glass plume]

feels like Xebec needed to two fruits in order to pose a threat for Imu, which he didn't get

[glass plume]

well, i think that they've got very good regeneration and all but i don't think that they're immortal in the same vein as Imu

[sand plinth]

i feel like the damage imu takes isnt real either from what he have seen, not [damaged -> regeneration] its more like the attacks dont actually hit properly

compared to the gorosei who are like warlord level but with regen

[glass plume]

maybe part of that haki defense, lmfao

[wide star]

basically if you switch out Imu for any gorosei during that combo attack during god valley , the gorosei gonna be looking like garling afterwards

[glass plume]

though Imu did get sliced, they just didn't seem bothered by it

[wide star]

cause imu regan is just on another level

than the gorosei & HKs

[glass plume]

lmfao, you could place anyone in that scenario and they'd be mush

[sand plinth]

the way im picturing it is more like cutting through water rather than fast regen

the cut goes through but it doesnt actually damage anything structurally

[wide star]

i’m taking about their regen being different levels

[stuck pagoda]

Power of friendship lol

[glass plume]

yeah i agree

[sand plinth]

whereas the gorosei/holy knights get hurt but regenerate

[stuck pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cracking-up-crine-cryin-crying-gif-1179731615386693618

[iron oriole]

Well if you're like me then you believe the only true immortality comes from the Op Op no mi & whatever it is that Imu grants is just a pseudo immortality in the form of regen (you still age etc, you just don't die to like having an arm cut off etc)

[craggy vapor]

the question is whether that was Imu’s real physical body or some kind of a projection.

[wide star]

yeah i believe so , it wasn’t anything like gunko .. the entire time imu was on top of saturn

[vale heath]

I think Imu’s just evolved beyond the concept of a mortal form

[glass plume]

i'm starting to believe more and more that Imu's powers were granted from black-magic more so than an actual fruit, though i could be very wrong

[sand plinth]

also did they specifically call imu a shadow?

[vale heath]

The shadow is Imu, it’s not physically real

[sand plinth]

not a sillhouette, but actually does look like that

[wide star]

even when rocks would attack , he would just ignore the saturn portion and go straight for imu

[vale heath]

Haki doesn’t work because there’s no true body to hit

[sand plinth]

this makes the most sense to me

[stuck pagoda]

Moria 😏

[wide star]

yeah if you don’t got the 2 DFs needed , you can’t do anything meaningful to Imu

[sand plinth]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO BRING HIM UP LMAO

[vale heath]

This also goes part way to explaining the possession

Much easier to possess people when you don’t have a body

[glass plume]

feels like Imu almost manifested themselves from Saturn here, essentialy i believe that Imu can manifest themselves from any of the gorosei or god knights at any given time

[sand plinth]

moria has a weird devil body and the shadow fruit, is that not a weird coincidence???

[glass plume]

it actually reminds me a lot of the symbiotes from Marvel, lol

[stuck pagoda]

What if Moria or a ancestor of Morias fruit unironically took Imu shadow and that’s why we don’t see Imu outside ever

[sand plinth]

not like coincidence because its spooky tropes, but it does coincide

[potent pier]

Can he also read the Poneglyphs?

[wide star]

lol that’s actually a perfect comparison .. Imu was like a symbiote in god valley .. WE ARE IMU 😂

[stuck pagoda]

It’s just the fruit my boy

[vale heath]

Imu being a shadow from the shadow fruit is galaxy brain

[sand plinth]

wait how has no one started a moria summoning mahoraga agenda

[vale heath]

Because fuck Moria

[sand plinth]

this is genius

[glass plume]

the sillhouettes which appeared before we got the reveal of the other gorosei also reminds me a lot of how Imu looks

[iron oriole]

Reminds me of a parasite & also i can't help but wonder if Gunko is a 'perfect host'

[vale heath]

The worst part of the shadow fruit is that Moria has it

[glass plume]

i think the perfect host will be Vivi, which is why Imu desires them

[stuck pagoda]

What if

[glass plume]

there's something special with the Nefertari

[sand plinth]

yeah gunko is weird, idk the translations cus it kept changing but they called her something weird on god valley (and she hasnt aged)

she isnt a gods knight shes something else

[stuck pagoda]

Imu asked america for 20 billion dollars

[sand plinth]

a weapon or tool or something

[iron oriole]

She's a devoted blade of god

Though it seems like its a squire role

Of sorts

[potent pier]

Imu likes Gunko a lot

[sand plinth]

i saw other people say that, whats the basis?

[glass plume]

Gunko seems to be the closest to Imu yeah, given they're their maiden of sorts

[craggy vapor]

Those tentacles Rocks was hit with didn’t hurt him he said. So it couldn’t have been something physical that touched him. Hence why the attacks of the pirates and Garp didn’t do anything

[sand plinth]

something in japanese?

[iron oriole]

They talk as if Gunko is in a lower position than the rest of the HKs

[glass plume]

if anything i think they more or less paralyzed his body

[stuck pagoda]

He used 8 trigrams 64 palms

[glass plume]

sort of like a neuro-toxin

[sand plinth]

thats it though?

because i feel like there could be other reasons for that role to be looked down on

eg. being a "living weapon" rather than a knight with agency and prestige

[glass plume]

Gunko was new to the Manmayer family, wasn't she?

[fierce geyser]

Gunko kinda speaks down to people like Sommers

[iron oriole]

"The knighthoods pet" implies a lower position than the rest

[vale heath]

I’m actually kinda all in on Imu as a shadow from the shadow fruit now

[iron oriole]

Yeah these days she's an equal HK

[sand plinth]

ah right it says that in elbaf right, same title as the others

[fierce geyser]

Oh but before you think she had a lesser role

[glass plume]

then they'd have been eradicated when the previous user of the darkness fruit died, no?

[vale heath]

“Great treasure of Marie Geoise” could be Imu’s real body, made immortal by ope ope

[sand plinth]

on god valley

[fierce geyser]

I see

[sand plinth]

if ope ope made imu immortal, how does he make the others immortal?

[glass plume]

black-magic

rituals

[vale heath]

Boa’s death wouldn’t have unstoned all the BBP

[stuck pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-procrastinate-pencil-gif-3318690986319493831

[vale heath]

Other versions of seeming immortality, yeah

[glass plume]

hmm, i guess you do have a point

[iron oriole]

Most definitely, the role of a squire or the like

[vale heath]

Imu is the only true immortal

[glass plume]

Imu's whole thing seems to be around rituals and black-magic

[sand plinth]

wait i missed this message before u are perhaps cooking

[iron oriole]

Yeah she's called a HK on Elbaf

[craggy vapor]

Maybe Imu is just a soul of someone and doesn’t have a physical body.

[sand plinth]

wait no i think imu predates devil fruit

or approx same time

[unique lagoon]

but imu dint do any ritual vs rocks

[vale heath]

I took it from here

[stuck pagoda]

Is imu the sorcerer supreme?

[glass plume]

maybe more so Satan

[sand plinth]

it seems weird to think about this late, but magic is real in one piece and exists outside of devil fruit, we just havent seen anyone outside of the wg use it

[glass plume]

atp i believe that Imu is the personification of Satan and Satanism as a whole, the Celestial Dragons are essentialy a cult anyways

[stuck pagoda]

One piece might deadass turn into black clover and I’m here for it

[craggy vapor]

I scratched my head on that as well. Maybe only his minion need that

[sand plinth]

from the elbaf mural, devil fruit werent always a thing

[vale heath]

Are you aware of Gnosticism and the Demiurge?

[glass plume]

it's probably very forbidden knowledge... maybe that's how the Ancient Kingdom came to prosper?

[unique lagoon]

who knows really
best i have is the gorosei imu requires no magic circle

[glass plume]

nope

[vale heath]

Imu takes the appearance of Satan but is in function a demiurge

[glass plume]

ooooh

[iron oriole]

Demiurge, Overlord reference

[glass plume]

the Lion snake?

[vale heath]

That is one representation of it

[fierce geyser]

I think the ritual is only used for the first person she Domi Reversis

[stuck pagoda]

Yea I played dragon ball xenoverse back in the day

[vale heath]

Xenoblade

[unique lagoon]

i wont be surprise if imu opens up more circles and brings in more HKs or possibly a gorosei

[fierce geyser]

Because we see a bunch of demonized Davys before Rocks is turned

[vale heath]

Xenoverse is dragon ball

[glass plume]

i watched an Elden Ring lore video once and then they referenced the Demiurge, lol i remember it now

[craggy vapor]

We know that objects can „eat” devil fruits as well. Maybe Imu is the sea that ate a certain fruit.

[unique lagoon]

could be
thing is the davy clan got turned demon before imu showed up

[sand plinth]

my interpretation is that the ancient kingdom used the mother flame to prosper, which made the gods mad -> bunch of stuff happens -> creation of red line, devil fruit, flooding of world, death of nika/joyboy

[unique lagoon]

tbf that shit was offscreen stuff

[stuck pagoda]

Oda probably in this server watching with popcorn rn

[iron oriole]

Presumably Imu hadn't shown up to GV at that point but also presumably Imu is the only one to use Domi Reversi

[glass plume]

essentialy yeah, but what if magic is the root of the mother flame?

[fierce geyser]

😫

[stuck pagoda]

@oda spill the tea

[sand plinth]

i mean i assume it is

[glass plume]

what if magic is the root to most of the things we've experienced, like devil fruits etc.

[fierce geyser]

Idk how Domi Reversi takes place when Imu isn't even there

[vale heath]

The demiurge is a false creator deity that created the modern physical world people live in, and deceives those people into thinking it is the true real world when it is not.
Just like Imu making the modern seas, when we know the true world is hidden beneath the waves.

[glass plume]

and it's forbidden knowledge, only restricted to Imu at this point

[sand plinth]

i mean its not science

[fierce geyser]

That doesn't make sense

[glass plume]

Imu's grimoire is also very interesting

[stuck pagoda]

Damn I would believe this too this world is a meme

[mighty shell]

cyrene...

[glass plume]

very interesting

[stuck pagoda]

Ohh

[fierce geyser]

Maybe a Gorosei did it?

[stuck pagoda]

So it’s the news ?

[vale heath]

Gnosticism is a religion around finding a way to see past this falsehood and find a way into the Truth

[fierce geyser]

Gorosei is 2nd in power anyways

[stuck pagoda]

Gnosticism is based

It’s like 1 step above agnostic

[sand plinth]

how many gods do u guys think exist?
god of the forest -> devil fruit
god of the earth -> mad about ppl using mother flame, creates grand line
god of the sun -> slaves prayed to nika
god of the sea -> flooded the earth probably

[craggy vapor]

do we know the identity of the mystery man from the “who will claim the OP” panel?

[glass plume]

feels like there are more gods propping up every arc, lol

[urban lodge]

Shamrock

[sand plinth]

any u can think of?

[iron oriole]

Should be Shamrock

[glass plume]

god of rain was one, iirc

from Skypiea

[vale heath]

So my thesis statement is Imu is in the role of a demiurge

And then I’m supplementing this by saying physically the Imu we know is the shadow of Imu’s actual body, which is immortal by ope ope and hiding out/trapped in Marie Geoise somewhere

[sand plinth]

seperate from god of sea?

[stuck pagoda]

The IRS

[glass plume]

which i still believe is some form of Dragon, lol

[glass plume]

essentialy i think that the god of sea is Poseidon, while god of rain is some devil fruit

[craggy vapor]

you think Shamrock will fight his father?

[glass plume]

it could be the same person, but i don't think so right now

[sand plinth]

the way the mural says "the god of the forest sent forth devils" makes me think devil fruit didnt exist until the second world

[glass plume]

that could be the case.

[iron oriole]

Nah i doubt that, boys been groomed too much by his mother killing father

[sand plinth]

also based on devil fruits, the god of the forest and the god of the sea are enemies

[glass plume]

isn't the sea the enemy to every devil fruit?

oh wait that's what you mean, mb

[craggy vapor]

god the sea is a fishman i bet

[sand plinth]

yeah, forest = fruits i assume

not literal devils

"forest god sent forth devils" = forest god spawned in devil fruit

the different translations give the same vibe too

[glass plume]

wasn't there someone who tamed them?

[sand plinth]

"the forest god tamed demons"

[glass plume]

ah there it is

[iron oriole]

Idk... "tamed demons" doesn't sound like DFs to me ngl

[craggy vapor]

maybe that just means the forest god domi reversed people

[iron oriole]

Though i think Imu is the Forest God

[fierce geyser]

Could it be talking about Sea Devils?

[stuck pagoda]

Imu definitely the sea god

[fierce geyser]

They make Devil Fruits

[stuck pagoda]

Isn’t imu based off a Japanese deity

[sand plinth]

its a forest god, doesnt it sound kinda like it'd be putting the devils into the fruits or something

[glass plume]

Umibozu?

i think Imu is based off of a lot of things atp

[iron oriole]

I think with Imu's talk of literal demons & how its the only right form to take, its a literal statement

[sand plinth]

taming meaning using the devils to suit their purpose

[sand plinth]

and as the forest god it'd make the most sense to turn them into fruit

[craggy vapor]

You got a point. Imu is Umi in reverse.

[stuck pagoda]

Umibozu

[iron oriole]

I can see why but no

[glass plume]

i'm having a struggle wrapping my head around all of the murals lore

feels like there's a lot of pieces which have been left out

[sand plinth]

i just think the connection between forest and fruit is too convenient to ignore

[glass plume]

which we'll discover in the Void Century

[craggy vapor]

Maybe Davy Jones was the original sea god

[glass plume]

going by Xebec's word, Davy Jones was a king

perhaps over the Ancient Kingdom?

[sand plinth]

forest + devil when something called devil fruit exists just makes perfect sense to me

[glass plume]

Imu does revoke the fact however, saying that he wasn't a king...

[stuck pagoda]

Is imu connected to those black things we saw in skypeia

[iron oriole]

It all depends on who you think the Forest God is

[glass plume]

i don't know what to believe anymore

[stuck pagoda]

Smokey the bear

[sand plinth]

if imu is the forest god, then wouldnt they really not be chill with the water levels rising?

[stuck pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/smokey-the-bear-only-you-can-prevent-forrest-fires-only-you-gif-7462631815248849989

[sand plinth]

that could be interesting but i dont think its the case

[iron oriole]

Why would they care if the power they have is of literal demons & not DFs? Perhaps they're not weak to it... we saw Saturn in Egghead gladly be at risk of falling into the sea

[stuck pagoda]

A lot of people think chopper is the forest god lol

I would bet a million percent dragon is one of them, I think he’s the rain god

[sand plinth]

ok but if ur the god of forests wouldnt you want more land and more forest and not more water

[iron oriole]

Imu wants the world, could be that at first Imu had good intentions but was also corrupted by the demonic powers

[glass plume]

same

[sand plinth]

but if imu is the FOREST GOD i dont see it

like if imu was a human

and got corrupted yeah sure

[iron oriole]

Okay we're just gonna go round in circles

[stuck pagoda]

If imu is the forest god I don’t think blowing up lulusia was good for the environment

[sand plinth]

wouldnt the forest god have a more foresty or godly plan in mind

[stuck pagoda]

Yea

[sand plinth]

a human who wants power makes sense

[stuck pagoda]

The forest god would be a lot more conscious of their carbon footprint

[sand plinth]

a sea god trying to make the world theirs makes sense

[craggy vapor]

Imu can’t be the forest god if we assume the forest god is the source of all DFs. Why would someone who reigns over a forest of fruits seek a certain devil fruit?

[stuck pagoda]

True

Man I’d love it if there was a counter to Imu

Like a trapped god who’s good but I doubt that’s the case

[sand plinth]

well yeah thats how this started (the opposite way), kierran thinks the forest god didnt spawn the devil fruits because they think the forest god is imu

i think the forest god is the source of dfs

imu could definitely be the sea god

[stuck pagoda]

Is green bull out of the conversation

[timber glacier]

Yes

[stuck pagoda]

He is pretty foresty

[craggy vapor]

Maybe One Piece is just a world where Gods play and the people are their pawns.

[stuck pagoda]

Ah

Green bull needs a better pr team

Bro literally has the forest fruit and no one thinks he’s the forest god

[timber glacier]

Luffy has the sun god fruit and is just rubber lmao

[stuck pagoda]

I remember them saying it was tied to his imagination

Did he imagine himself as rubber or is that literally the fruit

[timber glacier]

Ya that was a translations thing

[sand plinth]

humans touched forbidden sun (mother flame), slaves prayed -> earth god gets mad and makes the red line, sun god appears

forest god spawns devil fruit -> sun spread fires of war (slave rebellion maybe? two different kingdoms of opposing ideals?) -> man killed the sun and became gods (killed joyboy and became celestial dragons) -> the sea god stormed /rampaged (imu taking over the world)

any alternatives on any of those points

i should probably number them

[craggy vapor]

good points but why does the Mother Flame exist back then?

[sand plinth]

isnt that the whole lore behind the mother flame?

thats like the one piece (heh) of the puzzle we do have

[craggy vapor]

Idk, my Egghead memory is kinda rusty regarding that

[sand plinth]

basically iirc, the mother flame is vegapunk recreating the energy source the ancient world used to power stuff like the ancient weapons

then york steals some and imu uses it to blow up lulusia somehow

[craggy vapor]

got it

[timber glacier]

Forest god is probably imu with the gorosai

[stuck pagoda]

Idk if imu one of the gods

[sand plinth]

a. imu is forest god and the sea god is mad that ppl killed joyboy and is drowning the world to try stop imu (which is why imu is hiding on the red line)

[stuck pagoda]

I think it takes the 4 gods to beat imu

[sand plinth]

i dont have another option rn but thats the only way it makes sense to me

[timber glacier]

Sea god could be the creation of the calm belt

[iron oriole]

We can just agree to disagree but yeah i think this line from Gunkmu says a lot, being a demon is a literal thing.

Imu's "Flower room" too which is a big nature motif

& ofc Forest God tamed demons... once again i think this is literal... DFs are said to have a will of their own (at least the Zoans) & how the Nika fruit was constantly evading the WG, to me says they're "untamable"

[timber glacier]

That fits they will not meet again

[sand plinth]

well i assume the sea god is the flooding of the world, its gone up 200m and the world as we know it is just mountaintops

so all of it

the flooding, the grand line, the red line

[stuck pagoda]

Oh shi

[sand plinth]

however reverse mountain works, however enies lobby works

[vale heath]

Wind Waker

[timber glacier]

Nah think thats just a by product of Uranus

[craggy vapor]

Maybe Imu is both Forest and Sea God

[stuck pagoda]

The forest god is trapped in the flower room

Imu got them hostage there

[sand plinth]

i havent seen anyone talk about enies lobby in a hot minute, and i havent thought about it either

[craggy vapor]

or there are multiple Imus

[sand plinth]

this makes sense tho, i only just now considered the idea of a giant hole in the ocean

like that seems pretty important

[stuck pagoda]

There’s an underwater one called Seamu

[sand plinth]

the forest and sea god are fighting each other and one of them is probably imu

[stuck pagoda]

Has anyone been to the bottom of the ocean in one piece

[iron oriole]

Imu contradicts this though, they're the one flooding the world

[stuck pagoda]

I’d imagine it’s like space in that world

[timber glacier]

Davy jones

[sand plinth]

other than lulusia, is this confirmed?

[stuck pagoda]

Davy jones was a wee pirate ay lad?

[craggy vapor]

Wait, Imu refers to her/himself as “Mu”. Maybe he really is the amalgamation of different *mus, not just the Sea God Imu.

[sand plinth]

i personally dont think imu is a god, i wouldnt like that as a plot device

i prefer imu being a corrupted human

[stuck pagoda]

Yea I think Imu is the antithesis

Like the 4 gods come together to end Imu reign

[timber glacier]

I think imu has to be because plot and the 2nd world text is pretty much imu and wg killing joyboy

[sand plinth]

but why are devil fruits the enemy of the sea

[iron oriole]

VP warned of the world ending via flooding etc

[craggy vapor]

Because if Imu ist just one Mu, where are the other Gods?

[stuck pagoda]

Man

There’s probably deadass one in the water and on the moon

[sand plinth]

and this means imu is behind it bcus the wg doesnt want the info to get out?

[timber glacier]

Sea forest sun earth

[iron oriole]

Imu is literally in charge of the world? Nobody else is higher than Imu? The only person who ultimately can be behind it all is Imu

[sand plinth]

whats a king to a god 🗣️ 🗣️

[stuck pagoda]

Is imu smart?

[timber glacier]

Another god...

[iron oriole]

? Bro's just saying shit

[sand plinth]

man killed the sun and the sea god rampaged

[craggy vapor]

where are they tho? We know Luffy is the sun god but where the others?

[stuck pagoda]

I never got the impression Imu was a mastermind

[strong wadi]

Imu, Blackbeard, Luffy, and shirahoshi are the gods, I don’t make the rules

[stuck pagoda]

A god would know all things

[graceful grove]

Sea : Shirahoshi
sun : Luffy
Earth : Imu
Forest : Greenbull

[timber glacier]

We don't know those are all the god mentioned in the Harley text

[stuck pagoda]

God of the earth I mean

[timber glacier]

Get midbull out of here

[graceful grove]

he is one

if rubber boy can be a god then certainly GB can be as well

[sand plinth]

do u guys think imu is
forest god 🟢
Sea god 🔵
human 🟡
devil ⚫

[timber glacier]

No forest god option

[sand plinth]

oops

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-gif-8266617

[graceful grove]

Imu is earth god. what Rocks says basically confirms it

[craggy vapor]

Wouldn’t Crocodile be a better Earth God cuz he can suck water and is weak when wet?

[sand plinth]

i meant forest got not earth god, earth god seems unlikely to me

[sand plinth]

what does rocks say

[graceful grove]

he is just sand

[twin knoll]

sand?

[sand plinth]

i dont see imu being the earth god

bcus the earth god is mad about humans using the mother flame

[graceful grove]

Imu = world

[sand plinth]

i think "the world" just means the entire world aka world government aka status quo etc.

[graceful grove]

can have both meaning

[sand plinth]

how do you take the mural then

[graceful grove]

if he wanted it to only mean ruler then he could've said king of the world

[sand plinth]

if imu is the earth god

[dense rapids]

The question is where Imu is the forest god or the earth god

[graceful grove]

we don't even know 5% of it yet.

[craggy vapor]

But Sand is silicone dioxide, that stuff lots of rocks are build from

[vale heath]

Can Link defeat Imu

[sand plinth]

wdym

[dense rapids]

With enough prep time

[graceful grove]

that most of it is speculations

and Oda won't make things that obvious

[strong wadi]

Imu is forest, bb is earth

In the past, I’d say it’s likely Davy jones was earth

[sand plinth]

ok but id rather speculate on the mural which has a lot of meaning rather than "the world"

[vestal heath]

best ragebait ever: roger > rocks

[sand plinth]

unless the mural is literally wrong

u can get quite a bit from it

[craggy vapor]

could be because Earth sinks into the ocean if you throw some at it

[dense rapids]

I don’t expect it to be 1:1

[sand plinth]

that lines up with a lot of what vegapunk says

[sand plinth]

i think it speaks in metaphors but overall i think it'll be decently accurate

[dense rapids]

Yea

[sand plinth]

like i wouldnt be surprised if there arent any gods

[pseudo gulch]

If you want to make people argue a good old Mihawk > Shanks (or the other way around) will always work

[sand plinth]

and "natural" phenonama caused things that they attributed to gods

[dense rapids]

Tbh I think that’s certain based on how one piece is

God is simply a title

[fallen meteor]

Im so not into the whole gods thing

Earth forest whatever

[sand plinth]

eg. devil fruits appearing wasnt caused by a forest god, but they started appearing and thats how they rationalised it

[fallen meteor]

Specially if these gods appear again like idk buggy is the clown god

Shits so wacky

[sand plinth]

im jsut speaking about the mural fyi

and lining it up with what vegapunk has said

[dense rapids]

I think Earth God is just King of the World

[fallen meteor]

I like the idea of there being gods before or the same gods are still alive

But when people start to say BB is the rain god etc

[dense rapids]

It’s all just gonna end up being advanced technology

[strong wadi]

My current interpretation is Davy Jones, with the yami yami was the previous ruler of the world. Imu, the forest god, and joyboy, the sun god, had joined forces and Imu ended up betraying joyboy and became the new ruler of the world.

[sand plinth]

in the terms of the mural, its implied that the earth god created the red line due to humans finding or using or abusing the motherflame

[fallen meteor]

This is what ive been saying too
Imu and Joyboy teamed up but Imu betrayed Joyboy
But i also think Joyboy was on the same group as Davy Jones and it was basically a betrayal there too.
He joins forces with Imu seeking the best outcome since Davy Jones probably wanted something fucked up in Joyboy's interpretation but once Imu succeeded they betrayed Joyboy and had him killed somehow

[strong wadi]

Eh, serves joyboy right then. He was planning to betray and if you plan to betray one person, what’s to say you won’t betray another, so Imu had to betray him first

[sand plinth]

1. humans get greedy and use the mother flame

2. slaves pray and the sun god appears
   3, earth god gets mad and creates red line

3. forest god spawns devil fruit

4. war

5. humans kill sun god and become gods

6. sea god rampage / world gets flooded

regardless of if the gods are real or if they were just big events that happened

this is the order of events based on the mural

[fallen meteor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Red_Line if we infer the earth god to be the ruler this could be a inspiration
Considering how much England colonized stuff

[sand plinth]

interesting

[craggy vapor]

But why does the Earth God get mad?

[sand plinth]

good question ¯_(ツ)_/¯

presumably because the humans took the mother flame

or used the mother flame in a bad way

maybe both

based on the actualy picture in the mural they are digging up a bunch of mother flame esque stuff out of the earth and then using it to pollute

kinda like real life

[craggy vapor]

it reads that the Earth God got mad after the Sun God appeared. Maybe the Sun God caused droughts on the earth

[glass plume]

pollution

[sand plinth]

maybe, but given the rest of one piece it seems more likely that the sun god is just the result of the slaves praying

and if it is a metaphorical god, it could just be the result of digging up the motherflame

like fracking or anything else similar

[craggy vapor]

maybe the earth god doens’t like to get digged in

[craggy vapor]

I think pollution might be correct. We have a similar thing in Wano

[sand plinth]

yeah it really does look like pollution is the reason

[wide star]

yeah I also believe Davy Jones had the yami yami

[sand plinth]

or just the digging of natural resources

[craggy vapor]

then how does Laugh Tale fit in all this

[sand plinth]

oh actually i have one more piece of the puzzle

why is imu genociding all non humans

all non-default humans

and they are all coming together to beat imu at the end of the mural

[craggy vapor]

cuz he is racist?

[sand plinth]

well id assume he is a human then righT?

or is he like a weeb but for humans

[craggy vapor]

that would imply he know of the mural

[sand plinth]

wdym

[glass plume]

primordial being

Imu is the concept of evil

[sand plinth]

theres layers to it

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/sas-evil-gif-26310062

[sand plinth]

the CDs are racist to "humans" but they are EXTRA racist to buccaneers and stuff

and fishmen

so as much as they are gods above humanity, there is another layer below normal humans they look down on even more

the fact doffys family went down to the real world means the cds probably know they are genetically the same at the very least

[craggy vapor]

i mean if the mural foretells the future and the future is non-regular humans beating the crap out of Imu, then this would only makes sense if Imu knows of and fears the future

[sand plinth]

but just look down like how rich people/royaly do irl

[sand plinth]

yeah this makes sense to me, maybe not the mural specifically but a prophesy of some sort

and ending all the bloodlines is the easiest way of making sure they dont show up to beat him

makes more sense to me than him just being racist lol but who knows

[craggy vapor]

did Imu see the mural in Elbaf?

[sand plinth]

dunno

[rose rune]

what

[craggy vapor]

I mean Imu cleary is afraid of something

[wide star]

i’m sure they had one of these centuries ago that probably told Imu what/who would be their downfall and when it would come lol

[sand plinth]

yeah 100% lol

mightve been toki she knows everything

[wide star]

Toki was really on the same ship with Davy Jones descendant at the same time when they were with WB lol if only she knew , she could’ve dropped some lore

[sand plinth]

nah people dont talk to each other in one piece

[wide star]

lol you would think of all crews that the one who’s all about being a family (WB crew) that they would share stuff but Teach not sharing stuff makes sense.

[sand plinth]

franky has the blueprints to pluton memorised, robin spent 2 years with luffys dad,

not important tho who cares

[iron oriole]

Ah there was .png shit

Someone beat you to it

[wide star]

one day those blueprints will come in handy and franky will need to build it

Pluton is gonna fall into the “ wrong” hands

[sand plinth]

maybe not build it but repair it or something

[wide star]

and they’ll have to build something to combat it

[native seal]

that's gonna be sunny's final upgrade

[sand plinth]

the mini sunny but its just the normal sunny docked in pluton

[craggy vapor]

it makes sense that Sunny is the ship of the Sun God

[wide star]

Imu has Uranus , Luffy has Shirahoshi , Teach gets Pluton .. Franky has to use the blueprints he memorized to build something to combat it …

[thick mango]

I imagine teach is somewhat secretive. Hes not like a good faith member of the whitebeard pirates family. He was lying in wait and killed both thatch and whitebeard as soon as it could get him what he wanted

[iron oriole]

I will forever think that Franky used bits of the Pluton blueprints to build the Sunny & the mini vehicles (Brachiotank etc)

[craggy vapor]

he has my what?

[wide star]

when the blueprints were introduced as only being needed if pluton fell into the wrong hands … that’s typical Oda foreshadowing that it will fall into the wrong hands

[iron oriole]

Yeah BB will get Pluton

[thick mango]

I'd bet everything on bb getting pluton

[wide star]

yeah maybe Pluton was Davy Jones original ship

[sand plinth]

just realised something thats probably super obvious

[iron oriole]

That was probably the Flying Dutchman

[sand plinth]

the noah is for when luffy destroys the world

[wide star]

Pluton = the OG flying dutchman would be 🔥🔥🔥 the shit we saw in FMI was just a replica knock off

[thick mango]

Yeah it's gonna be like the end of skypeia I think when the whole world is out praying on boats cause everything is being destroyed

[wide star]

maybe that’s why Oda only ever bothered giving BB big logs for his ship cause he knew that wouldn’t be his main ship , it was just temporary until he got pluton

[rose rune]

man, must have been one fast speedster

[craggy vapor]

Pluton reminds me of Sailor Pluto, the darkness underworld themed Warrior. It fits BB.

[sand plinth]

oh i just realised bb can totally get it

"doesnt he need zunesha to break wanos walls"

any quakequakers

and the only person other than the strawhats who knows about it is....

law

who is in a blackbeard related pickle

yeah blackbeard is getting pluton

[wide star]

even better , if oda doesn’t want to “destroy“ wano then he can have Pizzaro just fuse with the walls and get pluton

[sand plinth]

oh dude you're right

forgot how insane that fruit is

[thick mango]

Caribou also knows and is in the middle of telling bb

[sand plinth]

oh god i forgot about him

he knows EVERYTHING

[iron oriole]

I think the walls should be broken just because that would make it hard for Wano to stop him & easier for him to get it tbh, wont have to deal with all the freshwater inside

[craggy vapor]

that slimy mf

[sand plinth]

lmao @ all the wano ppl getting stuck on top of a mountain after the water is gone

[iron oriole]

Like i can totally see Pluton being stolen without Wano even realising

BB breaks a hole in the walls
Waits for it to drain
goes in & takes it

[iron oriole]

Well they wouldn't be stuck, there is a way down but yeah

[wide star]

yeah that would honestly be better for wano citizens anyway lol

don’t gotta fight them

[sand plinth]

yeah true but im sure theyd be geekin for the first few days before they find out

peeking over the edge at a massive drop

[wide star]

unless Oda had BB take pluton and to test it out (since it’s stated to be able to obliterate islands ) he uses it on Wano ? lol nah that’s a little too dark 😂😳

[sand plinth]

poor wano they've been through enough

[wide star]

lol facts they’ve suffered enough

[sand plinth]

that'll put some chest hairs on momonosuke tho

[willow tundra]

Just a reminder that admirals>yonkos

[iron oriole]

Thing is Wano doesn't have anyone who could defend against BB & whoever he brings, so i do think the best way is to have him not fight them

[fervent fable]

Which ancient weapon would be the strongest

[wide star]

shirahoshi imo

got the most potential at least

[iron oriole]

Maybe we get something where BB goes to invade the usual way but see's a Dragon flying above Wano & thinks Kaido is still alive so he proceeds to break the walls instead

[fervent fable]

Agree with that

[sand plinth]

momo, yamato and the scabbards would put up a decent fight

they wouldnt win but its not a wash

[iron oriole]

Yamato is the only one out of those doing anything

[wide star]

it’s why i think Imu has shirahoshi here with current day joyboy davy jones lily

[sand plinth]

the scabbards were weirdly strong against kaido and kaido could clear bbs crew solo imo

[wide star]

Kaido is a different type of fighter

[sand plinth]

true

[fervent fable]

Maybe shirahoshi is the only human ancient weapon?

[wide star]

he’s gonna let you get all your attacks off to see how strong you are , BBP just gonna go straight for the kill lol

[sand plinth]

but they are in the same ballpark is all im saying, its not a complete stomp

[iron oriole]

What the scabbards did to Kaido, BB would do to them (jumping)

[glass plume]

could they kill Kaido tho?

[iron oriole]

And in a jump off... BB wins

[sand plinth]

bb wins through plot always

[wide star]

Kuzan & Teach together ? of course adding everybody else to that is overkill

[sand plinth]

bb barely wins no matter the situation

[wide star]

kaido ain’t imu lol

[glass plume]

i mean, a lot of people attempted to execute Kaido and failed

[sand plinth]

oh wait i forgor about kuzan

[glass plume]

his endurance is through the roof

[sand plinth]

yeah if kuzan comes its wraps

[ornate tartan]

Kaido is almost indestructible

[iron oriole]

BB & Kuzan is the deadliest duo in OP & nobody can change my mind on that

[wide star]

kaido never fought a admiral and yonko together plus every other crew member .. he’s cooked & i love kaido but let be fr

[ornate tartan]

Loki is shaping up to be just as durable as Kaido

[iron oriole]

Theres a reason Oda hasn't had Kuzan fight with BB yet or vice versa

[wide star]

exactly , it’s literally overkill for any body who’s not imu

[sand plinth]

bb doesnt look particularly strong to me

[iron oriole]

Freeze + quake = gg

[wide star]

having a admiral and yonko together is underheard of in one piece

[iron oriole]

Its not even that, its the DF combo

[rapid ridge]

Imagine having a teen vendetta plat for more than 800 years

Imu is such a pussy bitch

[wide star]

and not just any admiral but one who could’ve been fleet lol

[sand plinth]

yeah thats pretty cooked

[rapid ridge]

Unbelievable

[iron oriole]

If its not an instant win the moment Kuzan freezes anyone, its an instant stalemate

Because BB just threatens with the Gura

[glass plume]

well, we saw Garp break out of the ice

[sand plinth]

so you're saying is kuzan is faster and can freeze his opponent, he will win?

[glass plume]

safe to say that Kaido could do the same

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-garp-vs-aokiji-garp-vs-kuzan-gif-18269549952660849519

[ornate tartan]

Loki might end up being comparable to Kaido in durability but for what we have seen so far, no one comes close to Kaido in that regard @glass plume

[iron oriole]

Yes Kuzan is faster & can freeze his opponents

[ornate tartan]

Kaido is a tank

[sand plinth]

aight someone post doffy breaking out too

[wide star]

if you put kaido vs a admiral and yonko at the same time plus 9 other commanders .. Kaido is cooked lol

[sand plinth]

if that yonko is blackbeard he isnt

[wide star]

he is

[unique lagoon]

someone needs to compile all the dmg kaido took since the start

[iron oriole]

Compare it to WB

[glass plume]

too much to compile

[sand plinth]

and he didnt even get "beaten" he got ringed out

[ornate tartan]

U need advanced armament and conquerors coating to damage Kaido, mind you he doesn’t even have the regen the gorosei have😂😂😂

[iron oriole]

Too awkward to compile... wtf is classed as damage to Kaido

[ornate tartan]

he’s a beast

[wide star]

no he got beaten lmao wtf are we doing changing history

[unique lagoon]

how do you even scale bullet/firearm dmg

sometimes it 1 shots sometimes it dont

[wide star]

Luffy overpowered kaido and beat him , he didn’t get ringed out like big mom .. we don’t gotta lie for him

[twin comet]

literally

[unique lagoon]

tho assuming kaido does lose 30% of his brain will he keep fighting

[sand plinth]

ok yeah he was but i mean for oda to have us actually believe he was down for the count, he had to show kaido getting buried completely

[twin comet]

bajrung gun would beat kaido yes

[sand plinth]

yeah bm was truly ringed out law cheesed her so hard by making that tunnel

[ornate tartan]

Luffy needed Ryou and Acoc to actually damage Kaido tho

[twin comet]

anesthesia is crazy on a sword

[ornate tartan]

why are yall forgetting that?

[glass plume]

losing a part of your brain doesn't seem to affect you that much in One Piece, lol

[rapid ridge]

When plot requires the bullet to do d ate the bullet does damage, if the plot requires the bullet to do no damage because the character being hit by the bullet is resistant to bullets, said bullet does no damage. It's shrimple

[unique lagoon]

kaido got slashed by oden and got KO for a moment
WB skull got melted and just kept going

[glass plume]

was he really knocked out?

[unique lagoon]

yeah thats the opening oden got

[twin comet]

he did get sent to some place covered in lava

[tough igloo]

I love Kaido and he’ll forever be one of the strongest in 1v1 .. but him against the entire BBP by himself is too much lol he’s not winning that ..

[twin comet]

but bajrung gun knocks him out anyway

[glass plume]

tbf i don't remember most of Oden vs Kaido, since it's been so long
so you're probably right

[unique lagoon]

i mean cmon missing a brain is a big deal

[iron oriole]

"Some place covered in lava" you mean a volcano?

[twin comet]

hes not winning against teech and aokiji let alone the rest

[iron oriole]

[twin comet]

i was on manga forgive me for not paying too much attention 😭

to fight scenes

[tough igloo]

exactly lol adding 9+ other commanders on top of that is doing too much

[glass plume]

given if he manages to break out from the ice like Garp did, I think he'd have a good chance tbh

Kuzan would have to resort to other attacks when that doesn't work

[tough igloo]

he won’t cause it’s not just ice he has to worry about

[ornate tartan]

7/9 of the BB pirates can’t even damage Kaido

the other 2 are speculation

You need either Ryou or Acoc to actually hurt Kaido. Without these 2 whatever u do is pointless.

[tough igloo]

it’s 10+ other people along with Kuzan

and one of them is a yonko who shanks glazes

[ornate tartan]

I have no doubt BB will have conquerors

[iron oriole]

I wonder, if BB negates a Zoan does that also negate the extra dura etc that having a Zoan gives you?

[glass plume]

yeah, i know.
but what would those other 10 people do?

[sand plinth]

i just had a re-read of luffy vs kaido, he didnt lose to accumulated damage he got oneshot

[ornate tartan]

but it is still speculation

[glass plume]

Kaido had cracked durability from the start, no?

[sand plinth]

which is a different beast, if u cant pull it off then ur cooked imo

[glass plume]

by all means Kaido was born as an anomaly

[tough igloo]

Teach & Kuzan together are winning that already , adding 9 other yonko commanders is overkill

[iron oriole]

He was strong as a kid yeah

[tough igloo]

unless mf’s think “godking” Shanks glazes Teach for no reason lol

[unique lagoon]

old man went sicko mode

[alpine trench]

Whitebeard the GOAT

RIP king

[ornate tartan]

he’s just naturally a tank, the hybrid form makes him semi invincible though

[tough igloo]

yeah the DF is what makes him so hard to damage

[ornate tartan]

u need 2 different types of advanced haki to even make him feel pain