Not what I just said
#also-manga
leaden rivet
ashen perch
Not at all
glass plume
Oda even went out of his way to show us how far ahead Luffy is, by having Kid and Law unable to deal with an Emperor on their lonesome while Luffy did
thick mango
If she still oversees the army at wci, whats the difference? That she technically doesnt have this title anymore?
ashen perch
What you said implies that her returning defeats the purpose
icy wolf
i see nothing else for big mom and kaido besides blackbeard stuff
thick mango
it does undermine the purpose
ashen perch
What I said shows that the purpose has already been fulfilled
glass plume
the best future for Big Mom is to stay dead and let Katakuri take over WCI
ashen perch
Its Buggy we're talking about, everything about him being an emperor is fraudulent
leaden rivet
What you said implies that her returning defeats the purpose
Yes because if she comes back full power she’ll still be a yonko with control over her own lands
fast pagoda
- Narrator called them the new generation
- Chapter 1000 "new pirates will come to take Kaidos place"
- End of act 3 narration called them 3 heroes
- "When you're out at sea you fight pirates" scene
- All got 3 billion belly bounties
frail kindle
Its Buggy we're talking about, everything about him being an emperor is fraudule...
HOW DARE YOU
leaden rivet
But I guess not technically called a yonko?
thick mango
If she loses the title but retains 90% of the practical power that the title implies. We're supposed to be like.. well uhm technically shes not an emperor anymore so there is a big difference here!
leaden rivet
Which means absolutely nothing
jade rain
We are nearing the end, it's too late for BM to return and be relevant anymore
trim lily
big mom comes back and changes her ways 
fallen meteor
you guys are missing the point of a half melted skeleton big mom showing up just to attack luffy
trim lily
noww shes good mom
fast pagoda
I never said hyping them up was the main purpose of the arc but you can't deny they were established as major new era pirates for much of post timeskip
glass plume
- Narrator called them the new generation
- Chapter 1000 "new pirates will come ...
yeah and what we were shown showed us otherwise
leaden rivet
That is a lovely pfp dolfius who is that
ashen perch
Yes because if she comes back full power she’ll still be a yonko with control ov...
Yes, but Buggy still remains more influential now
trim lily
That is a lovely pfp dolfius who is that
malevola from dispatch
fallen meteor
dispatch lady i think
ashen perch
So there's no reversing it
glass plume
Law and Kid dealt with Big Mom while Luffy dealt with Kaido
together they liberated Wano, sure
but it still shows a gap
tranquil blade
I mean idk if Big Mom came back and reunited with her crew wouldnt they be almost instantly back to where they are
Sure missing Pudding but
glass plume
while the fans were going "Kid and Law might be the next Whitebeards and Shikis!.." 
tranquil blade
That's still Big Mom
leaden rivet
Yeah like
ashen perch
Having territory or the crew isnt enough, Katakuri would be an emperor by this argument
leaden rivet
She might as well have stayed at home?
somber flare
We're still waiting for the Kid return to Elbaf
trim lily
hes in the heaven realm with urouge
tranquil blade
Having territory or the crew isnt enough, Katakuri would be an emperor by this a...
Yeah he lacks the strength and individual notoriety to be an emperor at the moment most likely, but Big Mom doesn't
thick mango
I think theres like a 60% kid returns but i dont think he returns to elbaf
leaden rivet
Having territory or the crew isnt enough, Katakuri would be an emperor by this a...
Katakuri isn’t yonko level in strength and doesn’t have the notoriety or presence
glass plume
i believe that Kid will return, just from him having Conquerors Haki and never showing it
somber flare
trim lily
oh they animated joytoy
ornate tartan
we don’t need a combined 9B berry bounty climbing out of lava
icy wolf
where do you guys think blackbeard is headed rn
ornate tartan
keep them there😂
ashen perch
Yeah he lacks the strength and individual notoriety to be an emperor at the mome...
Buggy's notoriety and probably even perceived strength succeeds her now, with him directly threatening the Marines
ornate tartan
it took 3 years to beat them
leaden rivet
I think big mom coming back could work, she just either needs to be nerfed or lose her memory. It makes 0 sense for her to come back completely fine in mind and body.
somber flare
Wherever the next strongest devil fruit he heard about is
tranquil blade
Buggy's notoriety and probably even perceived strength succeeds her now, with hi...
I feel like his bounty would be higher than hers if this was true
leaden rivet
Buggy's notoriety and probably even perceived strength succeeds her now, with hi...
He’s a captain with a lower bounty than his subordinate
His notoriety does not succeed her
Nor does his threat
thick mango
Having territory or the crew isnt enough, Katakuri would be an emperor by this a...
I think youre too fixated on the designation of emperor. The goal was to remove her from power. Thats what kata and luffys exchange at the end of their fight is about. If she returns to her practical power, but just doesnt have her title anymore, her defeat absolutely is undermined.
ashen perch
They still see Mihawk as his underling, they are just not sure if he's stronger
tranquil blade
Like Big Mom has decades to prove why she's a threat, Buggy is comparatively a rookie
ashen perch
It comes down to strength when it comes to Mihawk's bounty there
tranquil blade
Buggy became an emperor by luck and process of elimination
leaden rivet
But the threat clearly isn’t above big mom of he wouldn’t have such a low bounty. Especially while hunting marines.
ornate tartan
https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wano-fraud-haki-kidd-gif-10375482598153088039
i think this was anime filler
urban sluice
it was
fast pagoda
yeah and what we were shown showed us otherwise
Then why did Oda write that
leaden rivet
lol and just thinking about how much of a clown kid would be if his only achievement was washed away after getting one tapped
ashen perch
Low bounty? It jumped from 30 million to 3.5B
fast pagoda
Never said they would be the next WB and Shiki
tranquil blade
Buggy's is 3.1 billion pretty sure
ashen perch
Give it some time tbh, and he'll jump higher than BM soon enough
fast pagoda
But why did the story hype them up so much if they wont return and get stronger?
leaden rivet
Low bounty? It jumped from 30 million to 3.5B
3.1 billion and I meant comparatively
fast pagoda
Buggy will surpass Whitebeard
thick mango
Like are we supposed to look back on "Will you someday come back here to defeat big mom" and luffy saying "of course!" That what luffy really meant was, "well ill get rid of her emperor title and she wont directly rule you for like... i dunno 2-3 weeks but she is coming back and returning to rule you again"
tranquil blade
Buggy will surpass Whitebeard
Well yes but like in 200 chapters
leaden rivet
To big moms what 4.3 billion? You’re claiming buggy is more notorious and more of a threat when he has a billion bounty lower
wet condor
Buggy's bounty surpassing actual legends though lol
ashen perch
Yea I forgot the exact number but you get the idea, he's gonna be perceived as a bigger threat than her
leaden rivet
But he isn’t right now
tranquil blade
Buggy's bounty surpassing actual legends though lol
I mean it will, he's gonna be a legend himself
leaden rivet
So big mom coming back with 0 losses except pudding would be dumb and just undermine onigashima
tranquil blade
The old gen cant be the biggest fish forever, even if Buggy is a fraud
ashen perch
Having Mihawk as an underling while being viewed as a legend himself might as well put him above BM already
urban lodge
Buggy will get the 2nd highest bounty of all time
wet condor
Like are we supposed to look back on "Will you someday come back here to defeat ...
I really thought that Luffy and Big Mom were going to scrap
tranquil blade
Buggy will get the 2nd highest bounty of all time
3rd
leaden rivet
Having Mihawk as an underling while being viewed as a legend himself might as we...
Then why is his bounty lower than both
ornate tartan
u think it would be good if a combined 9B berry bounty just climbed out of that lava
ashen perch
Strength
tranquil blade
I dont think he surpasses Roger's bounty
wet condor
But he isn’t right now
I'm just contemplating on the idea lol
fallen meteor
the heaven realm has 4 chairs and its kaido big mom kid and law (bepo is fishing the crew) and they want to go down and fight but urouge is keeping them from going down
icy wolf
kidd katakuri boa yamato will all fight holy knights
wet condor
I mean it will, he's gonna be a legend himself
Crazy how he's an actual fraud though
ashen perch
Mihawk's strength is his entire bounty
wet condor
Oda's going to stretch the gag out as much as he can
Buggy bout to have a bounty only second to Luffy's
tranquil blade
That gag can be stretched longer than Luffy can
wet condor
Surpassing Roger
leaden rivet
I'm just contemplating on the idea lol
Was talking to Arsal
golden valley
Buggy surpassing wb in bounty would be the worse chapter that I’d ever have to read
sage temple
I'm just contemplating on the idea lol
"contemplating on the idea" and goes on to say it as if it's a fact
tranquil blade
Idk if he'll surpass Roger, I could see Buggy's bounty surpassing Whitebeard's though
urban lodge
Maji do I have an idea for you
brittle basin
time to read Liz
glass plume
wouldn't it be funny if Buggy's bounty surpasses even the likes of Luffy
with 1 digit
tranquil blade
The thing with Buggy's gag is that like he cant stop falling upwards
ornate tartan
the pirate king should always have the highest bounty
urban lodge
@golden valley You're gonna love this
||Buggy kills Blackbeard||
tranquil blade
It has to keep going
ornate tartan
just like Roger Luffy will have the highest bounty
wet condor
"contemplating on the idea" and goes on to say it as if it's a fact
It's not translating over the internet well, but if you could hear me say it in irl, you could hear the bit of facetiousness in my voice lol
celest mauve
why is luffy's generation so weak and uninteresting compared to the old gen 🙁
leaden rivet
Oda could do anything with buggy and I probably won’t complain other than him trying to explain or make a mechanism out of buggy’s luck
tranquil blade
I think surpassing Roger's bounty should be reserved for only Luffy
ashen perch
Like are we supposed to look back on "Will you someday come back here to defeat ...
See I don't think looking back on that exchange really helps you because Luffy did none of this shit. With her return actually, he may have a chance to make right by these promises. I am not saying she'll stay the same, I'm saying she'll return the same, almost.
icy wolf
anyone else think theres a pretty good chance of a shanks vs mihawk runback
vestal heath
just like Roger Luffy will have the highest bounty
By the end of the series?
ornate tartan
By the end of the series?
yeah
tranquil blade
why is luffy's generation so weak and uninteresting compared to the old gen 🙁
I mean it's comparing guys who've been in the game for a couple of years to guys who've been in the game for decades
You have to give it time
wet condor
But I mean... I can't leave it off the table
leaden rivet
See I don't think looking back on that exchange really helps you because Luffy d...
This is just bad writing. If she comes back she needs to be crippled and like lose her memory
golden valley
<@481164658233835520> You're gonna love this
||Buggy kills Blackbeard||
This…this is the worse theory to ever be put into the world 🥲 💔
Someone has to KILL buggy atp
glass plume
This…this is the worse theory to ever be put into the world 🥲 💔
is it even a theory? it's bound to be true
glass plume
celest mauve
2 strongest guys on yonko crews fighting🤔
they won't fight because oda will never conclusively answer the age-old debate of shanks vs mihawk
ornate tartan
can’t wait to see shanks character writing in the final saga
vestal heath
Someone has to KILL buggy atp
Buggy has managed to stay relevant since Orange town, I don’t know who or how he will be killed lmao but it would be interesting to see
wet condor
they won't fight because oda will never conclusively answer the age-old debate o...
I doubt it'll ever be in a duel, yeah. Cross Guild is making moves though...
icy wolf
they won't fight because oda will never conclusively answer the age-old debate o...
doesnt have to have a winner
urban lodge
It's kinda crazy how many times he says he wants to be king of the world... I wonder what that means
golden valley
Buggy will have a noble sacrifice, as his final act to change the tides of battle, he’ll die. Thats the MOST ill give him
ashen perch
This is just bad writing. If she comes back she needs to be crippled and like lo...
She can come back and then we can get to a conclusion that might lead to a different version of her. The key to this is Pudding. She can potentially help restore her suppressed memories of the day she killed Carmel, this comes after she's rescued from BB.
golden valley
It's kinda crazy how many times he says he wants to be king of the world... I wo...
Buggy vs Imu???
ornate tartan
and the only Yonko crew we haven’t seen anything from yet is the Red Hair Pirates
leaden rivet
Oda cant have either win or lose yet
He could just have it be offscreen and interrupted
frigid gulch
I think Mihawk might have gotten over his bitterness but does that mean they fight again in the present?
Not sure
celest mauve
doesnt have to have a winner
it would just make mihawk look bad for not proving why he's the WSS before zoro beats him
sage temple
It's kinda crazy how many times he says he wants to be king of the world... I wo...
Facts I wonder what it could possibly mean 
tranquil blade
He could just have it be offscreen and interrupted
Yes but that's kinda ass so I'd rather it just not happen
ashen perch
It's kinda crazy how many times he says he wants to be king of the world... I wo...
Penny you remember my Davy Buggy idea I told you about the other day, I have actually expanded it further
golden valley
Except, he just cant fight any top tiers
frigid gulch
I can see a clash that splits the sky between the two
sage temple
I hope Loki joins Buggy even tho it's a small chance but their dreams align
urban lodge
Penny you remember my Davy Buggy idea I told you about the other day, I have act...
Oh cool
frigid gulch
And then create some reason to buzz off after..
urban lodge
I remember
tranquil blade
Yknow what Loki joining Buggy would be kinda interesting, but Buggy would have to give him a real good reason
brittle basin
I thought people didn't know about God Valley and/or Rocks? Am I misremembering?
frigid gulch
Loki makes Buggy King of the World 
leaden rivet
She can come back and then we can get to a conclusion that might lead to a diffe...
Like I said earlier I’m not entirely against it, well I’m mostly entirely against it, but I think it’ll be not nearly as bad if the consequences are strong and lasting. Getting dethroned as a yonko should mean death. She shouldn’t just come back okay or nearly ok as you’re implying
It needs to be huge
sage temple
Yknow what Loki joining Buggy would be kinda interesting, but Buggy would have t...
Buggy is theorized to be Rocks' son as well
So the bloodlines check out too
sage temple
Loki makes Buggy King of the World <:KizaruWHUH:1138594733703311420>
Loki has a yamato moment with Buggy and Rocks
golden valley
Oda, please kill buggy
tranquil blade
Buggy hate in 2025
frigid gulch
Oda, please kill buggy
vestal heath
Buggy hate in 2025
do people even hate buggy
tranquil blade
Yeah
frigid gulch
Buggy’s just getting started bro
golden valley
Yeah
vestal heath
I thought people did it as a joke but damn
glass plume
Buggy will sit on that empty throne weither you like it or not
royal orchid
wait till nerona buggy bro
urban lodge
But wait, there's more
golden valley
I thought Buggy theories were just jokes
tranquil blade
Some hate his gag, I think it's really funny
urban lodge
It's a fantastic gag
wet condor
Hate, no. I think there is a limit to the gag
tranquil blade
The second he became an emperor I went all in on him
formal wagon
some hate egghead. I think it ends december.
urban lodge
Don't let the memes ruin it
wet condor
I'd like a limit on it
tranquil blade
A gag cap?
wet condor
Like Buggy having a larger bounty than Roger's
formal wagon
Epic dank memer memes for memers
ornate tartan
buggy is very endearing but he’s still a fuckin fraud man😂😂
he needs character development
and i think he will get it
glass plume
uhm
wet condor
Or any of the actual all-timers lol
ashen perch
Oh cool
So basically, I think Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy as well, just as BB is the descendant of Davy. As Oda's philosophy with these things often dictates, the true bearers of the father/ancestor's will are not going to be the descendants. The child of destiny Shanks won't fulfill Joyboy's will, Luffy will. Teach won't fulfill Davy's will, Buggy will. This actually works better if Buggy has no familial connection with Rocks. This will also play into the Shuggy dynamic but I'm not fully sure how.
royal orchid
buggy is very endearing but he’s still a fuckin fraud man😂😂
his point it being a fraud
golden valley
If buggy becomes more than an emperor…
glass plume
Buggy has a lot of characte development
formal wagon
If buggy becomes more than an emperor…
he is more already
tranquil blade
Like Buggy having a larger bounty than Roger's
Higher than Roger's maybe not, but there is a solid 500 million between Roger and Whitebeard he can fit into
royal orchid
buggy KOTW
golden valley
he is more already
no
formal wagon
yes :D
ornate tartan
Buggy has a lot of characte development
I think it will be even better in the final saga
wet condor
Higher than Roger's maybe not, but there is a solid 500 million between Roger an...
I don't want to see his higher than WB's either tbh lol
frigid gulch
Well for starters, him sorta standing his ground against Mihawk & Croc was kinda cool
formal wagon
🏆 mailbox wins this disscussion 🏆
brittle basin
Buggy will continue to fall upward.
tranquil blade
He is absolutely surpassing the bounties of people like Kaido and Big Mom tho, that's like inevitable
frigid gulch
Of course he still got beat up but
ornate tartan
Ik oda won’t disappoint with certain characters like buggy and shanks who were around since the first 10 chapters
vestal heath
🏆 mailbox wins this disscussion 🏆
?
glass plume
🏆 mailbox wins this disscussion 🏆
urban lodge
So basically, I think Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy as well, just as BB is ...
COOOOOK
wet condor
Like any of the real monsters, I'd prefer he didn't. But oh well, I guess it's just a number
urban lodge
It's peak
golden valley
He is absolutely surpassing the bounties of people like Kaido and Big Mom tho, t...
🙄🙄
torn stirrup
well considering how Vegapunk framed the Roger Pirates' relevance to the One Piece and the final war, Buggy's bounty is probably gonna skyrocket a bit
tranquil blade
🙄🙄
You gotta make peace with this now, because it's gonna hurt worse for you when it happens
glass plume
Buggy probably will be relatively strong at the end of the day, and disprove his fraud status
sage temple
He is absolutely surpassing the bounties of people like Kaido and Big Mom tho, t...
Did Oda tell you this
sage temple
Prove it
tranquil blade
Buggy probably will be relatively strong at the end of the day, and disprove his...
Now this is false
leaden rivet
So basically, I think Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy as well, just as BB is ...
Arsal….
I think this may be your worst one yet
ashen perch
But yes, Oda has actually thought a lot about this Yonko lineup, BM was dethroned for this sole purpose even when she'll be back
royal orchid
so if shanks would be a descendant of Nika does this mean shamrock is a representation of the evil nika on elbaf
urban lodge
It's so good
golden valley
Buggy wont be stronger than a Pacifista at the end of the day
frigid gulch
Don’t need to make him meaningfully strong.
leaden rivet
I was so into it until I saw buggy
sage temple
So basically, I think Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy as well, just as BB is ...
You can't make fun of me for saying Loki is a Davy anymore
frigid gulch
That’s what the “crew” is for
golden valley
I think this may be your worst one yet
Shhhh…let them be wrong
ashen perch
I think this may be your worst one yet
One of my best
glass plume
Buggy wont be stronger than a Pacifista at the end of the day
he already is 
blazing mantle
What’s the take of the day
ashen perch
You can't make fun of me for saying Loki is a Davy anymore
I didn't say Buggy is a Davy tho
golden valley
As soon as I saw Buggy will fulfill davy’s will, i knew buggy theories were cooked
And ugh
Shanks glaze
tranquil blade
Buggy wont be stronger than a Pacifista at the end of the day
He wont be stronger than even Arlong
urban lodge
What’s the take of the day
Buggy kills Blackbeard
leaden rivet
What’s the take of the day
Rocks meant the real person who will keep Davy’s promise is buggy
sage temple
I didn't say Buggy is a Davy tho
You said Shanks is Joyboy's descendant
blazing mantle
Thank you for your wisdom penny
leaden rivet
golden valley
Buggy kills Blackbeard
STOP
frigid gulch
As soon as I saw Buggy will fulfill davy’s will, i knew buggy theories were cook...
Now they tryna leech from BB
Sickening
sage temple
That's equally bad if not worse arsal
blazing mantle
Rocks meant the real person who will keep Davy’s promise is buggy
Thank you very much
leaden rivet
Buggy kills Blackbeard
I don’t think anything in this world could hurt Maji more
ornate tartan
Red Hair Pirates the most unexplored yonko crew I hope we get something near the end of Elbaph or next arc
blazing mantle
This server is a breeding ground for high intelligence
tranquil blade
Idk about all this Buggy Davy will stuff
wraith mantle
if joyboy has red hair i am quitting this series
royal orchid
if joyboy has red hair i am quitting this series
blazing mantle
Bro
leaden rivet
Shanks being Joyboy’s descendant is pretty cool what’s the problem?
wraith mantle
LMAO
urban lodge
Here's my evidence (he'll kill the one who stole the fruit and basically has the same dream)
tranquil blade
What is that
frigid gulch
if joyboy has red hair i am quitting this series
He’s Shanks + Luffy
vestal heath
This makes me uncomfortable
ornate tartan
💔
scenic kernel
Red Hair Pirates the most unexplored yonko crew I hope we get something near the...
I hope we get a little arc that shows the outside world and many different characters and what they're up to
royal orchid
What is that
shanks dyes his hair red 
wraith mantle
garling's genes so weak bro
ashen perch
You said Shanks is Joyboy's descendant
Yes, this isn't ridiculous at all. He has a mysterious mother that Oda kept hidden for a reason, Joyboy's silhouettes match up with Shanks, he is meant to contrast with BB as a character, who is the descendant of Davy, he is deemed the child of destiny by the Roger Pirates.
golden valley
Shanks being Joyboy’s descendant is pretty cool what’s the problem?
I do kinda want this to be true so Luffy beats the allegations
tranquil blade
shanks dyes his hair red <:ShanksTroll:743718967062823022>
Is this the red haired equivalent to black paint
glass plume
what allegations
ornate tartan
the copy of another series allegation
ashen perch
Shanks is the strongest candidate ever for a Joyboy descendant, there's no option more likely than him
glass plume
huh
ornate tartan
basically saying luffy is some sort of reincarnation
ashen perch
Not even Luffy
glass plume
what
ornate tartan
it didn’t
royal orchid
Is this the red haired equivalent to black paint
that was actually the reason why they started fighting, they saw one another at the same store buying paint and had to make sure the other kept it secret
wraith mantle
joyboy is likely a D
tranquil blade
I dont want Luffy being a direct descendant of Joyboy, he's probably already his reincarnation or some shit like that you dont have to add blood relation to it
urban lodge
Shanks being Joyboy's descendant is completely fine imo, we know he's a "failed" chosen one, he's not Joyboy's actual successor
leaden rivet
Yeah I don’t have an issue with shanks being it
ornate tartan
but that’s what some people unironically believe
wraith mantle
and if shanks is revealed to be a D 1165+ chapters in the story
scenic kernel
Luffy being a child of destiny is so ahh
frigid gulch
Ye Shanks seems set up for that kind of thing
ornate tartan
Luffy inherited the will of Joyboy he’s not Joyboy reincarnation
golden valley
Shanks being a decedent of joyboy diverts expectations
ashen perch
and if shanks is revealed to be a D 1165+ chapters in the story
Its perfectly fine
frigid gulch
“Child of Destiny” is telling
royal orchid
Luffy being a child of destiny is so ahh
literally joyboy by the way
ashen perch
The setup is clear
golden valley
Ok, true or false, did Oda say Shanks is as important as Luffy in the story?
ashen perch
He did, kinda
tranquil blade
Is that why Garling sucks in comparison, no Joyboy genes?
royal orchid
Luffy is being called the warrior of liberation and sun god but you guys want another epithet?
sage temple
Yes, this isn't ridiculous at all. He has a mysterious mother that Oda kept hidd...
But when I say Loki fulfills Davy's will
glass plume
Shanks is Oda's magnum opus
leaden rivet
Shanks is going to be very important. He’s definitely built up imo to be the false chosen one.
ashen perch
His friend, Goro Taniguchi, who has known how the series plays out and how it will end for 25+ years said that Shanks is as important to One Piece as Luffy
frigid gulch
It was one of the directors of Film Red I think
ashen perch
So close enough
leaden rivet
Arsal was cooking until he said buggy. I genuinely don’t know why you guys want buggy in that role
scenic kernel
literally joyboy by the way
Luffy was always for shaping his own destiny, I don't like him being the child of prophecy or some shi like that
tranquil blade
Shanks is the false savior but not in like an antichrist way more like he just isnt built for that and didnt wanna be the chosen one
frigid gulch
Idk if it was a director really but
glass plume
i just want Buggy and Luffy to be the final battle, with each of their toonforce abilties going at it
royal orchid
urban lodge
Buggy has said multiple times he wants the world
ornate tartan
What I meant was instead of acknowledging that Luffy inherited Joyboy will some people claim that Luffy is reincarnation of Joyboy and that the Nika Fruit was a retcon too @glass plume
Whenever people call Luffy Joyboy in the story like Zunesha and Emet they are referring to his heartbeat/drums of liberation which reminds them of Joyboy not that he’s Joyboy himself
frigid gulch
He was connected to it
ashen perch
It was the director yeah King
sage temple
ashen perch
He also directed the very first piece of animated One Piece Media, the Ganzack!! Special
But yes, it was that director
He knows how the series plays out and ends, you can take his word on this on
tranquil blade
I mean if Davy's will is about someone replacing Imu as king of the world, are we sure it can be completely fufilled?
frigid gulch
False chosen one is what it’ll be
glass plume
Luffy stretches, Buggy splits
royal orchid
I wonder how far the manga was when toei started animating it
ashen perch
Like Loguetown I think
scenic kernel
yeah
ashen perch
But when I say Loki fulfills Davy's will
Yea, because Buggy will
royal orchid
a nice 100 chapters
ashen perch
The setup is also clear for him, he's literally assembling the modern day Rocks Pirates right now, he's part of this Yonko lineup for a reason
wraith mantle
how often do yall clip your nails?
ashen perch
If you're against the idea of Buggy being important, you're about to have a miserable ass final saga
sage temple
If you're against the idea of Buggy being important, you're about to have a mise...
That js isn't the same
ashen perch
Because he's gonna be extremely relevant throughout it
pine jungle
how often do yall clip your nails?
Every Sunday
leaden rivet
Not buggy being importante, buggy being that important
wraith mantle
Every Sunday
lol same
ashen perch
Yes, that important
leaden rivet
He’s clearly going to have some level of importance as a yonko
scenic kernel
how often do yall clip your nails?
once a week or so
glass plume
sage temple
Me thinking Buggy won't fulfil Davy's wish = thinking Buggy is a background character and will carry zero importance at all I guess
ornate tartan
Buggy will 100% be very important
that doesn’t mean he’s gonna kill BB a final villian candidate😂
royal orchid
how often do yall clip your nails?
whenever they lose their edge I sharpen them again
grand flower
how often do yall clip your nails?
Whenever they’re long
tardy void
the aura loss is insane dang
grand flower
Why is Akainu watching buggy fight burgess
glass plume
Why is Akainu watching buggy fight burgess
since he is too scared to get involved
pine jungle
Buggy knows egghead ends in December, trust
ashen perch
He's gonna sit on the empty throne, he's gonna be deemed the new Nika, he might even get close to the One Piece, he's gonna get more and more notorious, he's going to assemble the 2nd most dangerous crew ever
royal orchid
the aura loss is insane dang
toei of 2025 would do that to him
ashen perch
Buggy's gonna do everything
sage temple
grand flower
since he is too scared to get involved
Oh that makes sense
ashen perch
Its not a meme anymore, its the reality
urban lodge
He says he'll be a yonko, king of the pirates and rule the world all in the same chapter btw
grand flower
Its not a meme anymore, its the reality
Buggy legit could end up being the final villain
royal orchid
buggy will find the one piece and then not be able to read the instructions
because they're in fucking poneglyph
tardy void
i gotta post my factual powerscaling tier list here too
glass plume
Buggy legit could end up being the final villain
i genuinely believe that it will be the case
ashen perch
Buggy legit could end up being the final villain
Well that's difficult to pull off but I think he's the secondary antagonist in Hachinosu War atleast
royal orchid
i gotta post my factual powerscaling tier list here too
ornate tartan
i gotta post my factual powerscaling tier list here too
Saturn is better then Ju Peter and Mars
sage temple
Can't even act like I hate the list
tardy void
https://tenor.com/view/ryuma-monsters-anime-one-piece-slap-gif-11580046115209831...
yeah the templates image for ryuma and davy jones were pretty buns
sage temple
That's peak
ornate tartan
Strength wise at least
formal wagon
https://tenor.com/view/ryuma-monsters-anime-one-piece-slap-gif-11580046115209831...
fraudyuma
grand flower
i genuinely believe that it will be the case
Oda would find it hilarious and that’s the strongest evidence of all @ashen perch
tardy void
Saturn is better then Ju Peter and Mars
only when imu is possessing him
formal wagon
my goat zoro would have cut her down right there ❤️
scenic kernel
i gotta post my factual powerscaling tier list here too
enel has no business being there
icy wolf
fuck ryuma man
scenic kernel
how do you put him above kizaru
sage temple
He's literally more powerful light
urban lodge
He says he'll be a yonko, king of the pirates and rule the world all in the same...
Omg I didn't even notice it earlier when I was going through it but this is the chapter title
scenic kernel
Enel has the 2nd MOST business being there
yeah on the same level as Roger?
grand flower
He's literally more powerful light
Dunno about that
sage temple
I'm pretty sure he has better speed feats than Kizaru ngl
tardy void
fuck ryuma man
hate him because mihawk aint him
ornate tartan
Ryuma on that list u better put Romeo top 5 if Oda make him canon too😂
scenic kernel
real
sage temple
Dunno about that
I guess dawg
scenic kernel
I'm pretty sure he has better speed feats than Kizaru ngl
pretty sure he doesn't
royal orchid
romeo mentioned again this fandom is a sea stone prison
glass plume
who the hell is Romeo
royal orchid
kizaru is kinda slow on the head
ornate tartan
what makes people scale kizaru speed so high, is it all his fruit?
tardy void
enel has no business being there
my goat has all the business being there
grand flower
who the hell is Romeo
Vinsmoke
sage temple
Better speed feats than light
Kizaru has never once actually gone light speed
golden valley
I'm pretty sure he has better speed feats than Kizaru ngl
sage temple
Kizaru's fruit name is extrmely misleading
royal orchid
Kizaru has never once actually gone light speed
ashen perch
i gotta post my factual powerscaling tier list here too
Romeo is the Sanji to Ryuma's Zoro, where is he
sage temple
https://tenor.com/view/yata-no-kagami-admiral-kizaru-scratchmen-apoo-eleven-supe...
If we can see the light move that isn't light speed
scenic kernel
Kizaru has never once actually gone light speed
"have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"
sage temple
If RAYLEIGH can match Kizaru he doesn't go light speed
royal orchid
If we can see the light move that isn't light speed
the viewer is omniscient
tardy void
Ryuma on that list u better put Romeo top 5 if Oda make him canon too😂
sure but hes just a concept note right now like blackbeards old mom
royal orchid
apoo can't see it
scenic kernel
how can light be slower than light speed
sage temple
"have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"
So old Rayleigh goes light speed
golden valley
Ok
ornate tartan
Kizaru speed kinda gets carried by his fruit
Like I have no doubt that ppl like Dragon will end up being faster then him
sage temple
how can light be slower than light speed
Logically we shouldn't be able to see light move across a background of buildings
royal orchid
what was the name of the card guy
ashen perch
I'm pretty sure his sacred jewel mirror is actually light speed atleast
glass plume
what was the name of the card guy
Hanafuda
ashen perch
Because he literally transforms into light there
glass plume
or.. Hawks?
royal orchid
no the Sabaody/Wano card guy
fallen meteor
what was the name of the card guy
strawman
ashen perch
Hawkins
royal orchid
yeah Hawkins
fallen meteor
hawkins
icy wolf
Kizaru speed kinda gets carried by his fruit
Like I have no doubt that ppl like ...
i thought kizaru was the fastest in the verse ngl
fallen meteor
hawkins tuahs
glass plume
damn i really called him Hawks
tardy void
apoo can't see it
apoo is a bum though
fallen meteor
hawkins tuahs
his full name
sage temple
Because he literally transforms into light there
golden valley
Logically we shouldn't be able to see light move across a background of building...
And logically people shouldn’t cut mountains
golden valley
golden valley
i hate myself
Yeah never do this again
ashen perch
https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-rayleigh-silvers-rayleigh-light-haki-gif-26958251
Not this
royal orchid
misclick
sage temple
Did you js send a game cutscene
glass plume
Yeah never do this again
royal orchid
If we can see the light move that isn't light speed
he also goes lightspeed against hawkins
ashen perch
The thing he did to attack Sentomaru and also I think Hawkins?
ashen perch
Yeah
sage temple
I remember that name from fruit battlegrounds
fallen meteor
i mean those are all not light speed
sage temple
i mean those are all not light speed
thank you
Kizaru has never gone light speed bro
royal orchid
he also goes lightspeed when traveling back to luffy after getting thrown out of the fronter dome in egghead
fallen meteor
lightspeed would be like when you turn your light on in your room and it reaches every corner
it's that fast, in an instant
nobody does that in one piece
sage temple
Yeah you explained it a lot better
royal orchid
lightspeed would be like when you turn your light on in your room and it reaches...
so why did apoo not react to kizaru until he stopped traveling the reflections
sage temple
So it's dumb to act like Kizaru is automatically the fastest oat
icy wolf
lightspeed would be like when you turn your light on in your room and it reaches...
he did this on egghead with the food no?
icy wolf
nobody could perceive him
royal orchid
<:shrug:984243499471867934>
icy wolf
it wasnt even onscreen
icy wolf
he moved so fast nobody knew where the food came from
ashen perch
fallen meteor
he did this on egghead with the food no?
this could be something but we dont really know how it happened
golden valley
If oda can call his character lightspeed and the fans still think otherwise, this fandom cant be real bro
ashen perch
This is light speed
tardy void
If oda can call his character lightspeed and the fans still think otherwise, thi...
imagine believing odas headcanon lmao
sage temple
This is light speed
Yeah but that doesn't mean it's automatically the fastest thing on earth
golden valley
Its just lightspeed
ornate tartan
dragon will be faster then kizaru
golden valley
Lucky Roo*
sage temple
Didn't nusjuro circle an entire island in an instant
golden valley
no
royal orchid
reacts to light being thrown
doesn't react to him traveling the light
reacts when he stops traveling the light
ornate tartan
Lucky Roo*
yk ball
spice cairn
Kizaru? Moving in Kilometers
golden valley
Lucky Roo is the sanji of the red hairs
tardy void
lucky robux
golden valley
100%
sage temple
>reacts to light being thrown
>doesn't react to him traveling the light
>reacts ...
Why would his speed be dependant on a mediocre observation haki user noticing him
scenic kernel
So old Rayleigh goes light speed
so I just read the fight and not once did kizaru move at high speed while fighting rayleigh
ashen perch
Yea he'll be fast I'm sure
scenic kernel
frozen ravine
i think lucky roos moveset should be running into things like a human cannonball
sage temple
Luffy almost notices dude's every move
golden valley
i think lucky roos moveset should be running into things like a human cannonball
Iirc, he does this in film red
ornate tartan
Roux blitzing ppl with a piece of meat😂
sage temple
so I just read the fight and not once did kizaru move at high speed while fighti...
You just changed the words I used there
fallen meteor
lucky roux rolls in red eyah
sage temple
golden valley
royal orchid
Why would his speed be dependant on a mediocre observation haki user noticing hi...
if you can't react to it unless you have future sight I have news for you on the character's speed department
scenic kernel
You just changed the words I used there
rayleigh doesn't need to move at the speed of light when kizaru doesn't do it, besides what if rayleigh could still do that in his old age, in close combat for just a short period of time
spice cairn
https://tenor.com/view/straight-drop-bowling-strike-gif-13895945
This is how Yamato is diving into Gunkmu as he arrives into Eblaf through the sky
formal wagon
future sight btw
spice cairn
Are we doing FtL piece?
formal wagon
F= fishman
t= my
L= island
royal orchid
idk about ftl piece this is just reacting before it exists with observation so far
formal wagon
<:KizaruWHUH:1138594733703311420>
yeah all observation is future sight
spice cairn
F= fishman
t= my
L= island
FinishMyPlate
ornate tartan
Lucky Roux is also the guy who actually stole the Nika Fruit from who’s who’s ship
spice cairn
Notice how theres an L in plate
sage temple
good question
I thought he unlocked future sight in wci
formal wagon
I thought he unlocked future sight in wci
just better future sight
strong wadi
Luffy never had future sight until WCI.
formal wagon
Luffy never had future sight until WCI.
❌
strong wadi
yes, mailbox the wiki reader 😔
formal wagon
sattori also had future sight also
scenic kernel
mantra
formal wagon
yes, mailbox the wiki reader 😔
the wiki is awesome
scenic kernel
😞
formal wagon
why wouldn't i read the wiki
golden valley
Dont oda use wiki?
Wiki > Oda
royal orchid
we should all embody wokereader
strong wadi
inb4 someone brings up the gag of mihawk cutting off luffy's arm as future sight
scenic kernel
when will rocks' colors be revealed
strong wadi
when will rocks' colors be revealed
whenever he's put on a volume cover
scenic kernel
inb4 someone brings up the gag of mihawk cutting off luffy's arm as future sight
it was mihawk showing Luffy the future
frail kindle
whenever he's put on a volume cover
or if he's put on a color cover of a chapter
scenic kernel
I just hope it not red and black hair
frail kindle
it'll be blue
scenic kernel
a darker blue would be cool
urban lodge
Anything but black and white
sage temple
Glex did you get demoted
urban lodge
That's boring
sage temple
I swear you had a hammer b4
scenic kernel
Anything but black and white
that's still better than any other color besides blue😭
sage temple
Rocks colors will be peak
Pink & Neon Brown incoming
frail kindle
Glex did you get demoted
yes, I was mad with power
royal orchid
Anything but black and white
Roger did call him a porcupine
golden valley
Anything but black and white
Its peak im afraid
wraith mantle
rocks will probably get funny colors
sage temple
yes, I was mad with power
glad you spared me
royal orchid
golden valley
Rocks does remind me of a porcupine
vestal heath
Rocks does remind me of a porcupine
Huh now that you mention it… 
sage temple
somber rivet
so, if maybe Loki is as strong as his father, who was equal to Rocks, this means...Zoro and Luffy are dead here
sage temple
so, if maybe Loki is as strong as his father, who was equal to Rocks, this means...
Might be even stronger considering how he likely killed Domi Reversi'd Harald
tranquil blade
inb4 someone brings up the gag of mihawk cutting off luffy's arm as future sight
Dont think it was a gag but it might not have been future sight
strong wadi
Dont think it was a gag but it might not have been future sight
I mean, it's literally just luffy thinking, "oh shit if i do this, im losing my arms"
so he decides not to
somber rivet
This is truly a duality of the fandom here.
urban lodge
Harald definitely resisted it
strong wadi
that's just socrates being loki-obsessed. Bro is just Ishy but reskinned as a Loki fan
urban lodge
A fully transformed domi reversi Harald would be unstoppable
sage temple
Harald definitely resisted it
So did Rocks
Yet it still took Garp and Roger to beat him
pine scaffold
U gotta admit this shit would be hype af
urban lodge
Because he got fully transformed by that point
sage temple
What we know about Domi Reversi so far is that it's almost completely inevitable
sage temple
Because he got fully transformed by that point
Yes and what makes Harald's case any different
urban lodge
Harald will resist it and Loki will kill him in that window
wet condor
Probably yeah
steel stirrup
I wanna see what he can do without the DR buff first but after that go brazy
sage temple
Harald will resist it and Loki will kill him in that window
Based off what
pine scaffold
I remember in early Elbaf everyone wanted Loki and Luffy to fight each other
sage temple
His guards are highkey nothing to him
wet condor
Harald probably broke free
steel stirrup
I remember in early Elbaf everyone wanted Loki and Luffy to fight each other
Still do ngl
wet condor
But then Loki just finishes him
pine scaffold
Still do ngl
Domi reversi is the way
urban lodge
Based off what
Well unless you think Loki is stronger than Roger and Garp combined that's what makes the most sense
jade rain
I remember in early Elbaf everyone wanted Loki and Luffy to fight each other
It's more likely now
sage temple
Harald was resisting and his guards were putting spears through him
He once clashed with Rocks I doubt the guards did anything to stop it
sage temple
Also wounds for people who've gotten Domi Reversi-ed don't affect them anymore
sage temple
And he looks like he's in pain
Well is he fully transformed in that panel?
steel stirrup
Domi reversi is the way
Again, as long as i can see his power before the DR buff i have no issues with it
wet condor
I don't know. Probably not?
sage temple
I don't know. Probably not?
So ofc he would be in pain
pine scaffold
Again, as long as i can see his power before the DR buff i have no issues with i...
Who's he gonna use it against tho
sage temple
We've already seen people with pre-existing wounds heal them almost completely once being Domi Reversi-ed
sage temple
I wanna see what he can do without the DR buff first but after that go brazy
Yeah we'll definitely see some stuff
somber rivet
We've already seen people with pre-existing wounds heal them almost completely o...
Dorry (or Brogy?) never recover his arm after bein Domi reversi
It just there...floating
steel stirrup
Who's he gonna use it against tho
Hajrudin he can use the character development of an ass whippin
wet condor
I don't really know what you think I was trying to deny or affirm. I think that Harald probably was hurt then Loki came in there and finished the drop
With some of Jarul's help
But it didn't last as long as Rocks vs Garp and Roger
sage temple
Luffy v Loki
Luffy v Loki, Zoro, and Sanji
wet condor
And didn't do as much damage
pine scaffold
Luffy v Loki, Zoro, and Sanji
I think it'll be a 1v1
cuz Luffy will reverse it
and save him
steel stirrup
that is vile
Nah what's vile is his father and brother being menaces and he struggles against Machvise
Thats vile
sage temple
cuz Luffy will reverse it
Why not Zoro and Sanji
somber rivet
Luffy v Loki, Zoro, and Sanji
Better. Just Luffy in base vs Domi Zoro and Sanji, just for the powerscaler and the Zoro stand be in shame when Luffy defeat both of them
sage temple
And didn't do as much damage
There was plenty of Imu-Haki radiating from the castle
wet condor
If Harald was fully transformed, the only person who has a real chance of fighting him is Loki. And I doubt Loki could beat him by himself lol
pine scaffold
Why not Zoro and Sanji
they gonna have their own individual fights
sage temple
Meaning it's not like Harald was defenseless
urban lodge
That could be Harald's own haki
wet condor
There was a fight for sure
steel stirrup
That could be Harald's own haki
What an upscale
sage temple
That could be Harald's own haki
Meaning Harald could've fought back
urban lodge
Now that we know Domi Reversi can happen without Imu there
somber rivet
If Harald was fully transformed, the only person who has a real chance of fighti...
Gaban and Shanks were also in the island, but they only fough Loki.
urban lodge
Somehow
wet condor
Yeah he probably did
wet condor
Who said that?
vestal heath
I fucking despise tax
steel stirrup
Who said that?
Imu kinda did
sage temple
Basically Penny saying Harald allowed Loki to kill him
wet condor
Certainly not me? I don't even know what your conversation with Penny was about lol
sage temple
Certainly not me? I don't even know what your conversation with Penny was about ...
Oh no not you
I gotta stop using yall so much
sage temple
do we know if Gaban and Shanks joined in?
They said they came after the fact
pine scaffold
right
sage temple
So likely not
pine scaffold
I see
sage temple
Why are you treating that like it's a crazy idea
Because we see the entire castle wrecked with over a hundred giants (including ancient giants) killed
steel stirrup
Because we see the entire castle wrecked with over a hundred giants (including a...
There were other AG's?
strong wadi
do we know if Gaban and Shanks joined in?
Oda would have a shit ton of explaining to do if this is the case lmao
somber rivet
Oda would have a shit ton of explaining to do if this is the case lmao
Did he?
sage temple
So Harald just sitting there and taking the blows makes almost no sense he would've had to have fought back
strong wadi
We'd literally need loki's fruit to be able to mass amnesia everyone
sage temple
There were other AG's?
Yeah we see their skeletons among others
urban lodge
That doesn't mean he couldn't have resisted it after killing the guards. We don't even know it was him in fact, maybe they got turned too and Loki killed them
sage temple
There were other AG's?
steel stirrup
Sheesh and who do you think is the one who did that
Harald or Loki
sage temple
That doesn't mean he couldn't have resisted it after killing the guards. We don'...
Okay so that doesn't mean it was an easy fight
strong wadi
notice how it says faced the knights before and not him saying he used it on harald
sage temple
Sheesh and who do you think is the one who did that
Harald or Loki
It could've been either
urban lodge
Okay so that doesn't mean it was an easy fight
Yeah, which not a single person is claiming
pine scaffold
sage temple
Yeah, which not a single person is claiming
You're acting like Harald was severely weakened though
pine scaffold
So it seems Gaban/Shanks did arrive but it was near the end or aftermath
not sure which
strong wadi
so basically the whole thing had to have been over by the time they got there considering they thought Loki was responsible for it
urban lodge
And Loki killed him in that window of time, because otherwise Harald would be genuinely unstoppable
steel stirrup
so basically the whole thing had to have been over by the time they got there co...
Seems that way
strong wadi
if they joined in, they would know loki was innocent, hence "oda would have a shit ton of explaining to do"
steel stirrup
And Loki killed him in that window of time, because otherwise Harald would be ge...
Seems reasonable
steel stirrup
if they joined in, they would know loki was innocent, hence "oda would have a sh...
Oh big facts
sage temple
And Loki killed him in that window of time, because otherwise Harald would be ge...
Mk
wet condor
Fully Reversi'd Harald is likely too much for Loki and 400 year old Jarul without him being weakened in some way
vestal heath
https://tenor.com/view/dcau-the-joker-dc-comics-irs-gif-10036701353470026173
Even the joker agrees the IRS is terrible
wet condor
Jarul is especially not pulling his weight lol
odd rune
Yeah long time no see
wet condor
You in school?
steel stirrup
Jarul is especially not pulling his weight lol
I think him saying "This helmet saved my life" may be in reference to that incident
sage temple
Fully Reversi'd Harald is likely too much for Loki and 400 year old Jarul withou...
Yeah but Loki still has that legendary devil fruit so who knows
stuck pagoda
odd rune
Not currently but I am in school yeah I'm polishing assignments rn
sage temple
stuck pagoda
Oh I got some memes 😏
steel stirrup
Protect ya neck
wet condor
Not currently but I am in school yeah I'm polishing assignments rn
What you in school for?
stuck pagoda
Based discord server
sage temple
Oh I got some memes 😏
I gotta comb through the folder to make sure I don't accidentally send one here
stuck pagoda
I’m in the right place
stuck pagoda
I gotta comb through the folder to make sure I don't accidentally send one here
Yea I sent a super light one compared to the ones I usually see
Had to redownload TikTok after not using it for 2 years just for the Kirk sauce
somber rivet
Even the joker agrees the IRS is terrible
If they catch Al Capone, they can do it with everyone
pine scaffold
Fully Reversi'd Harald is likely too much for Loki and 400 year old Jarul withou...
if Xebec is able to resist domi reversi for a brief moment in time, surely Harald can
Plus, Xebec was able to stand still in domi reversi and cry allowing roger/garp to attack him
wet condor
That last sentence is too funny
wet condor
Mentioning that man crying though 
stuck pagoda
I was really hoping he’d snap himself out of it
I wanted to jump in the manga and tell him get a grip buddy
sage temple
if Xebec is able to resist domi reversi for a brief moment in time, surely Haral...
Yeah but they still needed lots of Conquerors to defeat him which I'm sure is what Loki did
fallen meteor
Rocks feat:
- managed to stand still and cry
stuck pagoda
He cried manly tears
somber rivet
I still wonder if Whitebeard thought that Rocks betray them or if he saw how Rocks was another thing
wet condor
I think Harald was weakend in some way. I don't know what happened. I just know if that dude is Fully Reversi'd, like it's a warp man
sage temple
Ngl what would be sick is someone pulling out the sword in Jarul's head and Jarul gets a rush of the memories lost in the castle before dying from brain damage
stuck pagoda
Each tear had 2 pounds of testosterone
somber rivet
Because at least Garp and Roger knew from the very beggining
sage temple
Loki's strong but I don't got him on the same level as roger and garp. And Jarul...
Yeah alr
I guess we'll have to see
fallen meteor
I think Harald was weakend in some way. I don't know what happened. I just know ...
i wonder if there's a difference between imuturn and imunko doing the DR or the DRified davies on GV without Imu's presence
sage temple
stuck pagoda
Loki's strong but I don't got him on the same level as roger and garp. And Jarul...
It depends how bad he lost to shanks
somber rivet
In theory the next part of this flashback should be Loki killing Domi Reversi Harald
urban lodge
He probably asked the guards to stab him when he started transforming
stuck pagoda
They got shanks out here looking like yujiro hanma as far as backstories ar conferred
somber rivet
So we will have another fight in this flashback
stuck pagoda
One can hope
wraith mantle
calling it now
pine scaffold
I aint gonna like it if Loki is stronger than Roger/Garp tbh
wraith mantle
harald and loki have voat
pine scaffold
thats like fanfic writing to me
urban lodge
Harald maybe, Loki pretty likely
somber rivet
I aint gonna like it if Loki is stronger than Roger/Garp tbh
At least that will mean there will be Zero chances of Loki joining the Straw Hats
pine scaffold
this brand new character is stronger than roger/garp??? shut up lol
wraith mantle
voat is the new conq, everyone will have voat by eos
sage temple
what if Harald hurt himself in some way
If Rocks couldn't I doubt Harald could
sage temple
Compared to other Domi Reversi victims they all are frozen in place
ocean totem
voat is the new conq, everyone will have voat by eos
This doesn't even apply to conqueror's lol
sage temple
man Idk
Also that wouldn't even matter regardless since pre-existing injuries as we can see with Brogy don't even affect them in Domi Reversi form
somber rivet
Know what? It will be very funny if after the flashback ends it really takes Loki a hour or two to finish the story and after we come back to the present all of Elbaf, including the Straw Hats, were Domi Reversi and now only Luffy, Loki, Gaban, Chopper, Hajrudin, Gerd and the other dude are the only one normal
sage temple
So if he stabbed himself or tore off a ligament it'd probably still work and be usable
somber rivet
All of this for them listening to the flashback
pine scaffold
so the guards stabbing Harald basically did nothing then
cuz pre existing injuries dont effect them
sage temple
Know what? It will be very funny if after the flashback ends it really takes Lok...
Lol
sage temple
cuz pre existing injuries dont effect them
Yes they don't
And this is all assuming Domi Reversi was even used on Harald
Imu has a whole book of spells
All we know is Imu's Haki was present
And I'm pretty sure Imu's Haki can only be used when Imu is present
brittle basin
fucking bean just randomly showing up like we haven't missed him
pine scaffold
And I'm pretty sure Imu's Haki can only be used when Imu is present
present in someone else probably
sage temple
present in someone else probably
Yeah that's what I meant
What if Imu possessed Harald
pine scaffold
nah I dont think so
pine scaffold
cuz in that case couldnt Imu just teleport out
and they'd take over Elbaf instantly
there would be no reason the invasion is happening rn
Imu would have won lol
sage temple
Yeah probably
ashen perch
this brand new character is stronger than roger/garp??? shut up lol
Not that Loki did 1v1 Domi Harald, but even if he did, he'll still be weaker than Prime Roger and Garp
sage temple
But we've never seen Imu's Haki surge when Imu isn't there
Or Imu isn't possessing someone there
ashen perch
Domi Harald
pine scaffold
I still dont like the idea of GV Roger/Garp = Loki
sage temple
Not that Loki did 1v1 Domi Harald, but even if he did, he'll still be weaker tha...
Wouldn't he have to be stronger than at least one of them
pine scaffold
not a fan
ashen perch
Wouldn't he have to be stronger than at least one of them
No
strong wadi
I still dont like the idea of GV Roger/Garp = Loki
Don't worry, no one reasonable thinks this
pine scaffold
Loki replicating the lvl of power of Roger/Garp during GV is ridiculous
sage temple
pine scaffold
I dont like it
ocean totem
Loki replicating the lvl of power of Roger/Garp during GV is ridiculous
Probably not that ridiculous
They were powerful but if they're stronger than like Kaido modern day I'd be surprised
ashen perch
We saw 100 stout Elbaf warriors (as Rodo describes them) stab Harald at the beginning of this flashback, they surely played a big part in his death. Jarul also helped. Harald resisting it must have also helped. Its not a 1v1.
pine scaffold
I'd say GV Roger/Garp are stronger than Kaido tbh
sage temple
Hakinflation
ocean totem
I'd say GV Roger/Garp are stronger than Kaido tbh
I can't imagine this
ocean totem
I don't even know about that much
sage temple
We saw 100 stout Elbaf warriors (as Rodo describes them) stab Harald at the begi...
Idk if Jarul helping did much to it and if it was Domi Harald we are now aware that pre-existing cuts and injuries don't affect the victim
ocean totem
They really aren't that powerful yet as far as we've seen
But Oda could be bad at showing it
pine scaffold
how strong do u think GV Wb is
ocean totem
Not as strong as he got 15 years later
pine scaffold
do u think he could take on Kaido
sage temple
Or less
pine scaffold
or nah
ashen perch
We know 100 of them died
ocean totem
do u think he could take on Kaido
And eventually lose
ashen perch
So they all fought Harald, supposedly
sage temple
We know 100 of them died
Yeah that's for sure but 100 of them could've died without doing any damage to Harald
Especially since they all seem extremely weak
ashen perch
All this is enough to create the right opportunity for Loki to win without actually having the ability to win
tranquil blade
Domi Reversi Rocks might still be the strongest thing we’ve seen not from the Void Century, even if Roger and Garp werent in their primes they had to risk everything into one attack just to have a shot at winning
sage temple
All this is enough to create the right opportunity for Loki to win without actua...
I mean he would have to have had the ability to win
Loki implies he killed Harald
ashen perch
Yes, it doesn't mean he beat him
ocean totem
Domi Reversi Rocks might still be the strongest thing we’ve seen not from the Vo...
Nah, still nowhere near an ancient weapon
sage temple
By saying he didn't do it in cold blood
sage temple
Yes, it doesn't mean he beat him
How else would that happen
tranquil blade
Nah, still nowhere near an ancient weapon
Okay I kinda forgot they count
ocean totem
But strongest singular non-Joyboy entity, sure
proud pivot
wasn't Gaban also involved?
sage temple
No that was after the event
urban lodge
Gaban and Shanks arrived after it was over
proud pivot
gotcha ty
ashen perch
How else would that happen
All the giants helping him out, maybe strangling Harald, anything can work
sage temple
All the giants helping him out, maybe strangling Harald, anything can work
Also the guards are a kinda weird case
ashen perch
The point is that it was not some 1v1, Loki won't be stronger than Harald because of that lol
sage temple
Yeah it wasn't but it was majorly Loki's strength that killed Harald
ashen perch
We don't know that
sage temple
Logically that is the case
Maybe the guards themselves were Domi Reversi-ed
That's how it works right? it spreads
ashen perch
well Imu had the magic circles active for it to spread
strong wadi
it could just be that holy knights teleported in, imu took over one, tried to convert harald, and then loki was able to use his conquerors haki to beat the knight that was taken over/teleported them back and doing that undoes the domi reversi, and harald resuffers the previous wounds, and everyone thinks loki caused those wounds. Cause I assume he'll have to eat the fruit to stand a chance and it'll just be thought "oh he did all this to get the fruit"
ashen perch
It doesn't spread through contact or something
urban lodge
Imu didn't even need to be there
proud pivot
Is itpossible that unlike Xebec who provided some mental resistence against it. Harald was strong enough to provide more resistence making it easier to be taken down?
sage temple
It doesn't spread through contact or something
Yeah it spreads when someone is caught between 2 DR victims
urban lodge
We know now domi reversi can somehow happen without Imu present
pine scaffold
Imu does need to be there in some capacity
sage temple
Why was Imu's Haki there if Imu wasn't there herself or himself
strong wadi
Imu does need to be there in some capacity
no, but it's the "haki" that implies imu is there, apparently
ashen perch
Oh yea, the Garling thing
sage temple
What Garling thing
urban lodge
The other Davy clan members were reversi'd before Imu arrived
ashen perch
Weird that, yea I guess Imu doesn't need to be there
urban lodge
Imu can probably lend it to the knights
ashen perch
Garling somehow Domi'd those Davy members
sage temple
That's strange
ashen perch
That thing
sage temple
But Imu's Haki was there
urban lodge
We don't know that
urban lodge
It could have been Harald's haki
ashen perch
Didnt Gaban just say it was some strange haki in general
urban lodge
Yes
pine scaffold
ngl I dont like how Oda didnt show that
urban lodge
Demonified Harald probably fits
ashen perch
The HKs also have strange haki
pine scaffold
rubs me the wrong way
rare ivy
It doesn't spread through contact or something
Davy clan members were Domi Reversed even before Imu got on the island. Giants on Elbaf were DRed by drowning into the circles and Xebec was DR’d by Imu’s tentacles, seems like there are multiple ways of getting Domi Reversed
ashen perch
He said that about the HKs too
pine scaffold
The HKs also have strange haki
Gorosei
ashen perch
Yeah
sage temple
It could have been Harald's haki
Sorry this loaded late
sage temple
The HKs also have strange haki
They do? I've never seen that used with them
urban lodge
Abnormal can mean many different things
ashen perch
He said he sensed a strange presence in regards to the HKs too when he met Luffy
urban lodge
Rocks' haki was clearly abnormal while reversi'd
sage temple
He said he sensed a strange presence in regards to the HKs too when he met Luffy
But Haki?
ashen perch
Haki presence
sage temple
Rocks' haki was clearly abnormal while reversi'd
I thought that was just his Haki
ashen perch
But yea, I guess the Garling thing works, maybe it was Sommers who Domi'd Harald
sage temple
Haki presence
Oh ok
ashen perch
Or Shamrock
sage temple
Then a Holy Knight is the minimum that we can assume
So Loki wasn't joking when he said I've faced the HKs before
strong wadi
Then a Holy Knight is the minimum that we can assume
i mean, that's why i posted the panel of loki saying he used it on holy knights in the past, but didnt mention harald 😭
sage temple
I thought he was speaking about how they beat on him while he was chained
urban lodge
I thought that was just his Haki
Splitting the sky by himself? I find that hard to believe, he's not Joyboy, especially after thinking his family is dead
rare ivy
Gaban also sensed that haki when Imu launched conqueror’s gaki wave on Elbaf
sage temple
Splitting the sky by himself? I find that hard to believe, he's not Joyboy, espe...
I feel like he's just stronger but the properties of his Haki aren't abnormal or anything nobody remarks that
urban lodge
But that could have been from god valley
ashen perch
sage temple
Yeah I js looked at it
ashen perch
Okay I guess this implies that the use of Abyss is haki related
sage temple
Okay I guess this implies that the use of Abyss is haki related
Idk about that tough that didn't look like what we see at the castle
golden valley
Okay I guess this implies that the use of Abyss is haki related
I been on this train
ashen perch
We just saw black lightning
rare ivy
Imu has a strange haki
sage temple
We don't see that there
ashen perch
How did it look when Shamrock arrived
sage temple
Pillars as well
urban lodge
It was more like a concentrated lightning bolt
sage temple
prisma idol
Man I miss the present...
lofty fern
Imu has a strange haki
I do wonder about that. I think they translated it as overwhelming in this chapter
ashen perch
Ah true
sage temple
Yeah that's not the same as what we see in the flashback
ashen perch
Also same
rare ivy
fast pagoda
Harald peed
ashen perch
Yea I guess it could just be Harald's haki after he becomes a demon
urban lodge
At least we'll finally go back to Harald and Loki
sage temple
Yea I guess it could just be Harald's haki after he becomes a demon
If this is the case then Harald must've completely transformed
prisma idol
At least we'll finally go back to Harald and Loki
Oda gives the rest of the flashback 1 chapter
ashen perch
1 more chapter of GV would be nice
wet condor
Gaban said "No..." 
lofty fern
Abyss summonings are pillars
Well in the anime they are, though recently they have just been coming in lightning strikes
urban lodge
Oda gives the rest of the flashback 1 chapter
Honestly wouldn't surprise me
strong wadi
prob get like half god valley, and half focus on loki
wet condor
He must've sensed it before. The same thing he felt when Harald died
prisma idol
Oda gives the rest of the flashback 1 chapter
Fr tho I expect 3 chapters, with a little bit of an post God Valley epilouge
strong wadi
He must've sensed it before. The same thing he felt when Harald died
or just what he sensed on god valley
urban lodge
But I think we have at least like 3 or 4 left
wet condor
And Loki laughing his ass off
wraith mantle
with the narrator boxes appearing this chapter, i doubt we will get any god valley next chapter at all
wet condor
or just what he sensed on god valley
Did we ever see his reaction to that?
ashen perch
If this is the case then Harald must've completely transformed
Maybe yea
lofty fern
Oda gives the rest of the flashback 1 chapter
Nah, he's going to flesh out Harald's death too.
wet condor
I was gonna say that too but I forget
strong wadi
Did we ever see his reaction to that?
no, but he's still on the island when imu takes over saturn
prisma idol
Nah, he's going to flesh out Harald's death too.
I know I'm just meme-ing
sage temple
Well in the anime they are, though recently they have just been coming in lightn...
Yeah but there's a clear difference and it's consistent
ashen perch
Rest of the flashback will get 4-5 chapters but it should get more
digital spear
5 Loki chapters
prisma idol
20 more flashback chapters
digital spear
Pure agenda you will all face
Yoda ass sentence
urban lodge
3 of Harald, 1 of post-incident Loki
lofty fern
Yeah but there's a clear difference and it's consistent
It's like a large heavy bolt that hits. I do agree that the one in the castle does look different
strong wadi
3 of Harald, 1 of post-incident Loki
we get to watch shanks off-screen loki 😭
prisma idol
I hope we get some post Heralds death stuff