also-manga

[formal wagon]

wjat role would egghead's december conclusion have in the ending of egghead at the end of the year

[ashen rose]

Law is on life support and kid is fucking dead

[pine jungle]

Ending

[formal wagon]

good point

[sage temple]

What about Bonney

[native seal]

brah the 12 year old has done more than enough she can travel the world with her father now

[sage temple]

Yeah nvm I forgot

[ashen rose]

The mechanized corpse of her father

[sage temple]

Is Kuma even alive

[native seal]

lilith said he can be fixed

[sage temple]

Atp he's an AI

[ashen rose]

Kinda

[sage temple]

Lilith is turning him into gauth

[ashen rose]

Like, he's "not broken" exactly

And his soul is still down there

[sage temple]

Yea true

[proud pivot]

lilith coping 😭💔🥀

[ashen rose]

He just doesn't have a consciousness

[sage temple]

Dude has the most resilient soul oat

[proud pivot]

Bruh wtf

Is this just alts talking

[native seal]

its the akainu and aokiji of the loki agenda

[ashen rose]

At this point I should bring a list

And note how many people I have confused

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-the-same-thing-and-barlow-alphajackal-smite-not-the-same-thing-gif-18563601

[ornate tartan]

he got u too😂😂

[native seal]

ta

[formal wagon]

tragic isn't it... for a caterpillar to smoke. One can't but wonder if the stress of becoming a butterfly is too great to bear without a nicotine bump. Either way, a cigarette suits a butterfly much better.

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-who-dis-who-dat-caterpillar-alice-in-wonderland-gif-4129196621017224708

caterpillars always be smoking

[frozen ravine]

he's still a caterpillar well into his 30s

if he was a one piece character I think his bounty would be 70 million

[native seal]

thanks for the analysis radical

[frozen ravine]

np

[sage temple]

what would we have done without the guy

[dense rapids]

Soon

[sage temple]

Hope theres a chance Loki joins cross guild

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/garp-dap-up-one-piece-dap-one-piece-impacts-garp-and-aokiji-garp-and-kuzan-gif-730063518126195986

[scenic dirge]

Wouldn’t be the first time we’ve had a user have a conversation with themselves by switching between alts

[unique lagoon]

Yeah i won't be surprised if Imu has another tragic back story

[sage temple]

I wonder what Race Imu is

[proud pivot]

True, we have them even now

[unique lagoon]

Robotic voice and addressing itself in 3rd person? Mf some alien or some weird entity using peoples body

[sage temple]

Moon being

[unique lagoon]

Thats why imu is lily is real

Maybe imu is just some very powerful ai

[sage temple]

That'd be sick

[trim lily]

the real imu was in you all along

[unique lagoon]

See cuz ai robots existed back then

Where are they now?

Nvm VP made some

But not like the automations enel found
Thats a whole army

[formal wagon]

Was davy jones a better dancer

than joyboy and imu

i think so. and i have strong reasoning

I like blackbeard and rocks much more than luffy and imu,and for that reason he must be better at dance and all other things.

[tough igloo]

sounds reasonable lol

[formal wagon]

i agree

one piece needs an image thats a thoughtless "50 bucks for a gram is fine" kind of stare

[olive sigil]

Talking to you right now

[formal wagon]

savage

[formal wagon]

like this

[olive sigil]

I have rocks and they don’t dance really well

[formal wagon]

what about those rock polishing machines

[olive sigil]

I hate those

[formal wagon]

makes them dance though

[olive sigil]

I go to rock conventions and ask for their unpolished material

[formal wagon]

naturally

[olive sigil]

A rock that has been polished is no longer a rock

It’s a cheap energy amulet

[peak kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-blackbeard-one-piece-jump-force-gif-22901280

[unique lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/193278651020738561/1427379263211835392/suscat.gif

[dapper tree]

My friend just discovered one piece agendas

She saw the "law made up his own backstory", "huffman scaling", and "oda isn't a reliable source"

[formal wagon]

pirates with a time machine: "argggh i'm gonna go back in time and buy more time machines"

[proud pivot]

cook?

omg

that will work

[formal wagon]

Evil pirates with a time machine: "argggh i'm gonna go back in time and steal more time machines"

Yoga instructor with a time machine: "I'm gonna go learn yoga from the great Yogi, Bear"

[iron oriole]

Those little shits... stealing my time machines

[formal wagon]

Dog with a time machine: "BARK BARK BARK BARK"

[proud pivot]

onore kaizoku dono😡

[formal wagon]

Translation: "i'm gonna go back to a time where there were more readily available treats"

[iron oriole]

shakes fist angrily

[trim lily]

if a turkey had a time machine would it go back to the first thanksgiving

[formal wagon]

Cowboy with a time machine: "Yeehaw i'm a cowboy" 🤠 "I'm gonna go back to a time where there are NO BARBED FENCES"

Joyboy with a time machine: "i'm gonna turn myself into a baby (luffy) and send myself into the future"

[iron oriole]

Thats too far

[formal wagon]

Egghead with a time machine: "i'm going to go to a time before december"

[proud pivot]

i will go back in time with a time machine and make it so that oda never does a wano arc

[formal wagon]

thank you

[proud pivot]

ik i am a saviour

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-be-your-hero-baby-gif-4908672993607039895

[formal wagon]

♬do you remember ♬ that egghead ends in december ♬And the strawhats won't get a new member ♬ They're running from the GOR O SEIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ♬ HEY HEY HEY BAAA DI DA
egghead ends december BAAA DI DAA egghead ends deccember

awkward Time machine with a Time machine: "wow its so nice to find someone i have so much in common with. Like, we're both time machines... that's awesome"

[latent hamlet]

This reminds me of those weird fanfic like "what if MC starts the entire story all over again but with their current memory"

[hazy turret]

That doesn’t sound very awkward to me

[formal wagon]

its not great small talk

[hazy turret]

I think it’s decent

[formal wagon]

you're scaring me

halloween is OVER

[hazy turret]

I can see you right now

[fallen meteor]

rokaya has a time machine

[hazy turret]

I’m in the bushes

[formal wagon]

theres only one bush

wait...

[hazy turret]

Don’t bother, I already moved to the tree

[formal wagon]

its more like a shrub actually

[hazy turret]

Sorry I was climbing and typing at the same time

[formal wagon]

no worries

[iron oriole]

Wtf theres not enough space up here for two

[hazy turret]

It’s okay I brought an extra seatbelt extender

[sage temple]

Loki soon after proving Shanks is a fraud

[frail cradle]

diavoloki

[stuck pagoda]

Only way this happens is if we tie Oda up in our basement and write the next chapter ourselves

[sage temple]

true

[dense rapids]

This fruit wasn’t anyone else’s on god valley

[native seal]

i was hoping that was the fruit dragon ate

and the chest shanks ended up in

[hazy echo]

I just noticed LRLL is about to sink

[sick dust]

Nah.I seen what OP fans write about

Your cooking 10x worse than what Oda usually makes

[quartz badge]

i miss cross guild ngl

this flashback was great but i really wanna see more of them

[dapper tree]

they will be back after elbaf

[formal wagon]

its so sad i love tonjit and shelly, but yeah oda showed them because they're most at risk/ already have their livelyhoods destroyed by the flooding

thats genuinely probably my fav panel from eggghead

[hazy echo]

Yea somehow missed that when the chapter came out

[formal wagon]

i think i madethis during that chapter

[tranquil blade]

Oh yeah LRLL probably got pretty badly affected by the 3 meter sea level rise

[olive sigil]

Just get on those stilts

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but isnt Tonjit the only one of them with stilts

[olive sigil]

They have long trees

[formal wagon]

tonjit uo uo soon

[olive sigil]

Is that kaido’s fruit ?

[formal wagon]

yes

[barren token]

hey everyone what did we think about the chapter

[formal wagon]

okay

[olive sigil]

Almost gave up in the first page but the rest was good

[formal wagon]

5/10

wiat 6/10 because we saw gil bastar

[tranquil blade]

You're getting dangerous with that 6 number

[frigid gulch]

6

[olive sigil]

6 maybe 7 out of 10

[formal wagon]

what comes after germa 66....

another name for neo mads might be...

[olive sigil]

Neo mads?

[frigid gulch]

Bace germa

[formal wagon]

good answers

[tranquil blade]

67, 69, 666, perhaps the number 6 is the root of all evil

[vernal current]

guys thriller bark is worse arc right?

[barren token]

No that's punk hazard

[formal wagon]

wano

[barren token]

thriller bark can take the second spot

[vernal current]

but it was so short that it barely did anything

[olive sigil]

No that’s Wano

[vernal current]

why

[tranquil blade]

I actually told an unnamed mod this and he executed my family

[formal wagon]

i don't like it and i think its bad :D

[vernal current]

ok

but he defeated kaido

[olive sigil]

An arc doesn’t become good because of one fight

[vernal current]

literally all of egghead

[tranquil blade]

I just looked at the pfp

[vernal current]

😄

[olive sigil]

That’s alarming

[honest garden]

Thinking 9/11 is funny in 2025 (postiorny)

[prisma yacht]

[honest garden]

Deserved

[stuck pagoda]

No gooning bro dw

[stuck pagoda]

Pheomenal use of free will for that username

[vestal heath]

It’s not even that bad of a arc I don’t get the hate for it

[tranquil blade]

Youtube psyop

[hazy turret]

Maybe 3rd worst

Skypiea and fishman island are worse

[tranquil blade]

Skypeia...

[formal wagon]

bunch of whiskey peak lovers

[hazy turret]

Yeah because it had Luffy vs Zoro

[formal wagon]

oda had to make zoro hold back 😭

or else luffy would die

luffy and kaido both saved by oda holding zoro back

[olive sigil]

Ok you’re not a snake anymore

You’re a sheep now

[dense haven]

funko vs labubu who wins

[proud pivot]

Funko no diffs

Labubus are extremely ugly

[dense haven]

the company making funko is about to go bankrupt

[olive sigil]

Is it a normal labubu or katabubu?

[barren token]

labubu

[formal wagon]

the fans

[mighty shell]

labubu sweep

[proud pivot]

LABUBU LOSES NO DIFF

[small ember]

I guarantee Davy was promised the world and that’s what Imu is afraid of

Also Davy prob rules the ancient kingdom

[rare ivy]

Davy was promised the world and Imu was promised the moon

[stuck pagoda]

Canon

Confirmation they were both holy knights back in the day

[frail kindle]

AI art sucks

[stuck pagoda]

Give it some time

[frail kindle]

no, fuck AI

let it die

[stuck pagoda]

dreams never die

[dense haven]

all ai haters in chat will turn coat once oda starts using it

he already did tbh

[frail kindle]

I will forever hate AI

[fossil geyser]

AI is The Answer

[gritty shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[warm fossil]

ai slop of my goat in also manga 🥀

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-ai-art-puss-boots-pencil-gif-16268297991256538208

[somber flare]

They dropped their swords to fight with some toothpicks

[blazing depot]

60 mL of water was used on this

This could’ve been be drank

[grand flower]

HIIIII

Viz today!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-dancing-dancing-mr-boss-smiling-friends-gif-13758973638456732944

[warm fossil]

imagine reading Viz when you could be reading Meek's translations instead

[loud mantle]

Joyboy is from Finland officially confirmed

[rose rune]

Weather wizards from finland

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-nami-haredas-haredas-one-piece-nami-one-piece-gif-5675147550253597687

[loud mantle]

yes that's what the text says

[rose rune]

I forgot his name

[loud mantle]

gold star in reading

[blazing depot]

I like Viz more just to spite Meek actually

[blazing depot]

HAREDAS

[rose rune]

Well, it was more of a comment on the joyboy is from finland

[blazing depot]

PUT RESPECT ON HIM

[rose rune]

Ah. Hairyass. Thanks I forgot

[loud mantle]

yeah, because of the knots....

[rose rune]

I get what you mean, but that was a haki knot

[loud mantle]

I guess we'll have to downgrade to silver star

[rose rune]

Actually upgrade it to diamond for correcting you

[loud mantle]

y is Finn not using haki are he Stoopid?

[rose rune]

No. They just don't want to be a bother

They just walk around and say "anteeksi" when they come in eyecontact with strangers

Then again, that might be a good reason for them to get haki ropes

[loud mantle]

ok I gotta give it to you: you taught me a word, you were right about the diamond star

[rose rune]

I lived in finland for half a year. Great people

[loud mantle]

that's awesome! I've only heard great things about it, would love to visit one day

what brought you there for half a year?

[rose rune]

I was an exchange student. Also got a finnish girlfriend, so I did travel back and forth about a year until we ended the relationship

[fast pagoda]

What is this diddyblud doing on the calculator does bro think his is Vegapunk

[rose rune]

Take away my diamond star, cause I struggle to understand this

[cosmic hamlet]

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/diddyblud-diddy-einstein-albert-einstein-calc-gif-9528529477851089865

[loud mantle]

cool! sounds like you kept fond memories

I wonder if they follow one piece much over there

[rose rune]

Downgrade it to silver

[loud mantle]

and no, arbitrary stars can only be given or removed by the voices in my head, and they're pretty hard to work with

they've got a union and everything, it's a mess

[fast pagoda]

Sorry

[rose rune]

I'm not sure, but I do think they translated the earlier volumes

[fast pagoda]

67

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-skibiditoilet-gif-7150341904622937028

[fast pagoda]

Skibidi toilet is unc coded

The new rage is six swan

https://tenor.com/view/61-41-67-61-new-meme-61-meme-gif-4909211002993893210

[stuck pagoda]

Fax

[stuck pagoda]

I got u bro

[fast pagoda]

Ok I'm done being stupid

Fuck AI btw

[rose rune]

Funny thing is it that there is more thought behind skibidi toilet than 67

[fast pagoda]

67 is funnier and less disgusting

[stuck pagoda]

It’ll grow on you

[trim lily]

true its already basically ancient at this point

[rose rune]

But think about it. Someone actually took the time to craft it, while 67 is just some number

[loud mantle]

aight that's my cue to take off, y'all mull over those Finn wizards alright? I'm gonna keep looking for random references to magic knots on unrelated Wikipedia articles

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/QGYS81GPrW.gif

[brittle peak]

‘Wait Rocks’
‘Out of my way, Roger’
That has to take place next chapter, right?
Or can we just fit that somewhere already

[tardy void]

didnt this happen before kuma even got his fruit?

[ashen perch]

Would be cool but I do think he only has enough life left in him to deliver his last words, lets see

[hearty shore]

pov: you're Meow Mix Original Choice Cat Food, 30 lbs

[ashen perch]

just a red herring atp

since both mountains in GV were standing when that was said lol

[tardy void]

do you guys think the anime should change xebecs voices?

sub and dub

[ashen perch]

I can see the sub voice sticking because its still okay, dub is just odd

[tardy void]

dub might almost be like a vocal silhouette

and idrk the sub voice but ik some people werent crazy for it

[ashen perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJ3t53MFcw

nah its just how the guy sounds, not the same as their filtered voices

[hearty shore]

he sounds like he's already domi reversi'd

[tardy void]

and oars jr had a filtered voice and that was his actual voice

filtered vs not filtered cant be used for not actual voice vs actual voice

[ashen perch]

guess we'll see

[dense haven]

oda forgor

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/hoodg3nius/status/1986708831750296012

𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘥𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘶𝘴 🥷🏿 (@hoodg3nius)

Shanks dyed his hair red, he’s originally a blondie just like his fraud father

X · Nov 7, 2025, 8:14 AM

[scenic kernel]

[frozen aspen]

hoodgenius went from beefing with the US government to agenda posting

[dense haven]

we really calling plot holes as ref herring man this fandom is so cooked

[ashen perch]

I really dont think Oda forgot lol

just not sure how it can happen at this point, Xebec is mostly dead

so its safe to assume that it was just meant to be a red herring

[placid rover]

if devil fruits are made by people desires why's there no mythical zoan hito hito no Mi: model pirate king 😿

[tardy void]

kuma just made up a fanfic about god valley

[potent pier]

Would be insane if that's the case since Dragon, Ginny and Ivankov was there too....

[frozen aspen]

they just went along with it

revs are a bunch of frauds anyways

[potent pier]

Getting back to talking about stuff we can verify, right now I'm wondering if Kuma, Ginny and Ivankov dipped at this point in the flashback.

[dense haven]

you mean loki? he's the one telling the tale lol

[tardy void]

the first god valley flashback was kuma memories

[dense haven]

he's making roger look bad on purpose

since he's such a rocks glazer

it all makes sense

[glass plume]

Roger doesn't even look bad, lol

[twin knoll]

and hes not a roger hater based what I see

[ornate tartan]

the narrator switched with loki a long time ago

[glass plume]

it's curious that we haven't seen Roger been on Elbaph

he has to have, maybe after God Valley?

[ornate tartan]

the only story loki is telling is the castle incident

so many ppl don’t realize this😂

[tardy void]

?

[ornate tartan]

right after the Harald stab scene in the castle it switched to the narrator

[glass plume]

?

[ornate tartan]

since he’s circumnavigated the entire globe he has to have been there

it’s a good time to show it now

[twin knoll]

I think i need to reread 😭

[glass plume]

yeah, but it's curious that we've not seen it

[ornate tartan]

and gaban has to meet ripley at some point

maybe in the next couple of chapters

[glass plume]

Harald meeting Roger would be interesting to see

I wonder if they'd get along

[tardy void]

like after roger dies

[rose rune]

I hope ripley wears an exoskeleton suit at some point

Not really tho. But I pretend to want that

[twin knoll]

has loki mention abt Roger before?

[glass plume]

not as far as i know

[tardy void]

one piece should just end in like 50 chapters by continuing the flashback to the current day and beyond to beating imu

[glass plume]

lol

[twin knoll]

id say no

[ornate tartan]

the narrator took over ever since the end of 1152

yet everyone thinks it’s Loki talking about shit he wouldn’t even have seen😂

[rose rune]

Luckily it only went through jarul's helmet

[tardy void]

loki talking about how hot shakky was while hajrudin sits there impatiently is peak

[ashen perch]

the return of tribal haki...

[twin knoll]

I miss him

[ashen perch]

someone pointed this out, Rocks has the same type of weird haki tattoo here that BM, G4 Luffy and Kata had

who knows if it means anything

[ornate tartan]

looks like bounceman too

[ashen perch]

yea

[ornate tartan]

could be because he’s pumping excessive haki into his veins

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/OPcom_info/status/1987173275995415014

ONE PIECE.com(ワンピース) (@OPcom_info)

本日の誕生日キャラクターをチェック！
#ONEPIECE

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X · Nov 8, 2025, 3:00 PM

[ashen perch]

idk if haki goes through the veins lol

[ornate tartan]

Beckman bday🔥

https://tenor.com/view/ben-beckman-ben-beckman-one-piece-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-luffy-gif-4797700988527015915

[frozen aspen]

ah yes, we can’t forget the birthdays of important characters such as roswald roswald

[rose rune]

[dense haven]

haki is stored in the balls

[vale heath]

Armament haki on my liver

[rose rune]

You need a lot of cojones for that conquerors haki

[dense haven]

tribal haki brings back memories

artur would just pull stuff out of his ass and the fandom goes with it

its like fraud or mental nerf except it was 100% used unironically

[fringe ice]

One chapter closer to learning what loki's fruit is

[barren token]

There shouldn't be a break there should be a chapter next week

[frozen aspen]

too bad there is break

[hearty shore]

buddy we had 3 chapters in a row, be grateful

we almost never get this kind of luxury

[fringe ice]

Oda really pushed through for God Valley

Reckon we might get an epilogue for the GV flashback before going back to Harald's

[glass plume]

maybe Ben Beckman is a celestial dragon

[ornate tartan]

yeah most likely but it’ll be short

[barren token]

I know that's you Oda

[ashen perch]

should be a full chapter

[fringe ice]

Most likely the next few pages, should show us what Rayleigh and Gaban did when they went back for Roger. Might've been Sommers' encounter with Gaban which is why he pissed his pants seeing him in Elbaf

[ashen perch]

its 1166, I will sue Oda if its not important to Imu

[ornate tartan]

records kept by G11 and CP6

Imus numbers

16

[ashen perch]

yeah I noticed that

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/tacchan56110/status/1987462377529540939?s=46

たっちゃん (@tacchan56110)

ーフィガーランド家ー
#ONEPIECE

X · Nov 9, 2025, 10:08 AM

[glass plume]

Imu's reveal incoming

[fringe ice]

Imu's numbers?

[glass plume]

Shamrock looks to best out of the three, who agrees

[ashen perch]

I think we have to see Roger and Garp get taken away from GV after Xebec's last words, followed by the island being erased

so a full chapter of epilogue

or conclusion, really

would be nice

[fringe ice]

Looks very cool I'll admit, for a cd prick

[ashen perch]

I = 1, Mu = 6, 16

[glass plume]

Shamrock reminds me of a Templar from AC

[fringe ice]

Interesting

[graceful belfry]

[fringe ice]

1166 having something regarding Imu makes sense with that but I'm not really expecting it

[ashen perch]

in 1060, Imu nuked Lulusia. So since then, 1166 is the one that I have been looking forward to.

[graceful belfry]

Very reasonable of you

[ashen perch]

Oda likes his numbers

we'll see ofc, but yea

[fringe ice]

I liked the theory that the island Shanks was hanging out on was GV

[ornate tartan]

1086 was also a Imu chapter

[fringe ice]

But it might've actually been erased like lulusia to repeat the pattern

[ashen perch]

yea, I love that one, it can still work if the island gets erased

[glass plume]

it would be cool if it was ruins, like unrecognizable

but not erased literally

[ashen perch]

remember, Rocks did cut out a part of the island to draw a line between him and Garling

[fringe ice]

I believe the shanks theory for now, mihawk even mentions how it's a specific one

[rose rune]

Clearly the name of that island was certain island

[ashen perch]

maybe that part ends up drifting away, while the remainder of the island gets erased

[glass plume]

i don't think it became a seperate piece, wasn't that just a mark in the ground

[fringe ice]

That'd be cool

[graceful belfry]

[rose rune]

One of many certain islands

[ashen perch]

"A certain island", Mihawk calling it "reckless" to be there, Shanks saying that he is in a terrible mood for no apparent reason, then him later giving a wine from his hometown to Whitebeard

it all adds up

[glass plume]

oh you're talking about the first island we saw Shanks on, after Foosha?

[ashen perch]

yea

[ornate tartan]

my goat red haired finally showin up again in the next couple chapters hopefully

[fringe ice]

Mihawk making it sound like it's reckless to be there is what sold me

[ornate tartan]

I think this is the most we’ve ever seen him in the entire series on a regular basis

[hearty shore]

i really need that shamrock vs shanks

but it's gonna take 4 more years

[vale heath]

Baby fight

[ashen perch]

A certain island because Oda didnt want to name it, its reckless because its the remainder of an island that the WG erased, Shanks is in a terrible mood because it was his hometown where his mother was killed and the fact that it was erased is upsetting itself, Shanks managed to give WB that wine based off ingredients from that part of GV. It all fits in very nicely.

[vale heath]

My baby can beat up your baby

My baby was the smartest baby in all of 1996

[ashen perch]

and its unclear, the cut seemed deep enough to me

[ornate tartan]

need small shanks characterization during his younger years

while he was at mariejois

and maybe find out the reason he went there and what he was going to tell Harald

[vale heath]

“Rocks said ‘hey”
DO OM

[ashen perch]

I dont think we'll get into that very deeply, but we'll see that Harald and Shanks meeting for sure

[ornate tartan]

I’m sure he had his crew at this point of the story too

[glass plume]

Shamrock meeting Shanks for the first time ever since God Valley will be interesting to see

[fringe ice]

Same

[ashen perch]

I dont think its time to see that yet, but we'll briefly touch on it when Shanks meets Harald atleast

[glass plume]

i wonder how their first interaction will be like

i imagine Shanks being quite cheerful and happy but Shamrock is more quite and almost shuts him down

[ornate tartan]

after being a pirate his whole life and integrating into that society for a short time which is like an entirely different world from what he grew up in is gonna be cool to see

[glass plume]

yeah

also, i wonder if Shanks and Shamrock remember anything about Garling killing their mother, or if it's all faded atp

he did it infront of them after all

[fluid cedar]

They were 1 how would they remember that

[glass plume]

some memories are remembered no matter the age

especially if it's traumatic events

[ornate tartan]

u can use the same logic for BB he was 2

[fluid cedar]

they weren’t conscious to remember that

[ornate tartan]

unless his mother survived and told him

[fringe ice]

Bb definitely remembers bits and pieces from GV

[glass plume]

Blackbeard probably remembers, which is why he is so determined to become the king of the world

plus, this is a fictional manga not real life a 1 year old or a 2 year old can remember if Oda decides them to

[fluid cedar]

that is obvious how else would he know what fruit he needs and knowledge about imu

[vale heath]

Blackbeard was born at an incredibly young age

[ashen perch]

source?

[glass plume]

i still feel like Blackbeard has a twisted goal, which isn't what Eris or Xebec wanted.
he is just going through with what he assumed was their goal, which it wasn't

i don't think that Blackbeard realizes the full extent of what Xebec was trying to achieve

otehr than just ruling the world with unbound chaos

[vale heath]

40-40=0

[dense haven]

we literally saw eris surviving

[glass plume]

let's be real Eris could still die, lol

even if Kuma saved her, Oda could just say "oh she was hit by something in the midst of it which caused a fatal injury."

[vale heath]

40 years later, guaranteed she does

[dense haven]

wdym hit by something

hit by what

[glass plume]

shrapnel or something

anything really

[fluid cedar]

Later yes but before telling blackbeard everything he knows no way

[dense haven]

imagine oda writing eris escaping the biggest war in history just to die to a stubbed toe later

[glass plume]

wouldn't surprise me

[dense haven]

I'm sorry you expect oda to be such a shit writer

[glass plume]

no i don't, lol

[fluid cedar]

yes

[glass plume]

i'm just saying that i don't see it out of reason

[dense haven]

I know he made some stinkers but have faith in him

[glass plume]

would Blackbeard really have prisoners who he later transports to the World Government as slaves, if he knew what the World Government has put him through, when he and his mother were slaves themselves?

or did Eris just leave that part out

i think that Blackbeard didn't have anything more than maybe a notebook or something

[dense haven]

yea bb is really the empath type

[glass plume]

i never said he was, i just think it's strange if he knew all of this and still went through like how he does

he is enabling the slave trade

[frozen aspen]

shanks don't turn around there is two frauds behind you

[glass plume]

you're a fraud

[tulip turtle]

Blackbeard will kill eris after gaining information

[frozen aspen]

cranky that your goat, the slave killing champ got his ass beat

[dense haven]

anyway if they got separated it's likely because they got sent to different places

but that would be lame too

eris is still alive and working with bb

[glass plume]

i could see Blackbeard killing his own mother if Oda really wants to make him more shit than he is already

[dense haven]

eris is the bakkin to bbs weevil

actually sounds plausible because there is no way bb can come up with smart plans by himself

[fluid cedar]

What would she do for 30 years

While waiting for him to get the fruit

[dense haven]

gather information

I'll do you one better, eris is the reason all bb fights are offscreened because she arrives at the last time to turn the tables

[tulip turtle]

Well if he could kill people who accepted him then i can see the possibility of him killing his mother. And bro is meant to be luffy's opposite too.

[dense haven]

you read here first

[icy wolf]

does anyone think rocks is actually dead

[glass plume]

yes

[dense haven]

join the eris mastermind agenda

[tulip turtle]

Next chapter he is dead

[glass plume]

people who cling to the idea that Rocks could still be alive need to let go

[vale gust]

Yes

[glass plume]

you've got Blackbeard, take it or leave it

[fluid cedar]

true maybe she told ohara about the void century for them to research about it

[dense haven]

eris could be olivia too

[fluid cedar]

eris was a nobody pirate back then she not doing all that

[glass plume]

we don't know shit about who Eris was, she could've been a noteworthy pirate for all we know

[dense haven]

bb was a nobody back then too

[icy wolf]

we didnt see a body

[glass plume]

oh broooooother

[icy wolf]

stop shutting down the idea immediately because you dont like it lol, this is one piece

[vale gust]

Hes right

[dense haven]

we saw vegapunks rotting corpse and still means nothing

[vale gust]

Anything is possible

[glass plume]

sure, let's go with it

[fluid cedar]

defeated ≠ dead so maybe he’s alive as a cancer patient hiding somewhere

[glass plume]

true, true

[icy wolf]

we also have to consider the lurking legend that is related to whitebeard

[glass plume]

ah yes, Kaido and Big Mom's alliance

[tulip turtle]

What will rocks even do being alive atp

[vale gust]

I wonder if rocks could posses 2 fruits as well

[ashen perch]

lurking legend doesnt mean its a dude in hiding 😭

[dense haven]

lurking legend in the big 25

[proud pivot]

Be the burn scar man

[fluid cedar]

Be the next whitebeard

[ashen perch]

"legend" refers to a tale, its the hidden tale of the Rocks Pirates

[dense haven]

its shiki

[icy wolf]

its still relevant

[fluid cedar]

scream the one piece is real on his deathbed or something

[glass plume]

people still run with it, lmfao
even tho we've left Wano a long time ago

[blazing depot]

Lurking legend was Gaban

Duhhhhh

DUHHHHHHH

DUUUUUUUUUUHHHH

[tulip turtle]

i don't think rocks even knows about one piece or laughtale

[vale gust]

Huh

[ashen perch]

!legend we even had a command for this because the question was so common during Wano lol

[tropic nova]

The lurking legend is the tale of the Rocks Pirate that was kept hidden from the readers for 900+ chapters, connected to Whitebeard like author Eiichiro Oda himself said, while the greatest enemy that the Strawhats face so far is the Big Mom-Kaido Alliance.

[blazing depot]

That wasn’t his goal

[proud pivot]

I wouldn't bet on that, he probably did know about it

[dense haven]

one piece fans have no concept of figurative language

[glass plume]

yeah, Roger was the only one who believed in it's existance

[brittle peak]

I remember way back in the day people used to say that Kid is the modern day Shiki.
Makes 100% sense now

[glass plume]

who is Law then?

[ashen perch]

nobody said that

[icy wolf]

nothing suggests rocks knows about the one piece, if he did he probably would have went for it unless the one piece is somehow useless in taking down imu which would be really weird and unfitting

[vale gust]

If rocks knew about imu why wouldnt he know about op

[fluid cedar]

We didn’t see him looking for any poneglyphs during his time jumps

[ashen perch]

Law = Shiki was the belief

[vale gust]

Op is far less of a mystery than imu

[brittle peak]

law = wb

[icy wolf]

rocks goal was to get 2 devilfruits and go and beat up imu thats all that is needed

[ashen perch]

Law = Shiki, Kid = WB

[brittle peak]

bruh

[fluid cedar]

No one knew that island existed and no one was searching for it

[dense haven]

because theyre both bums?

[glass plume]

Kid = Captain John
Law = Shiki

if anything

[brittle peak]

disappointments

[ashen perch]

well John probably didnt matter to Roger, unless theres something we didnt know

[vale gust]

No one knew and still 99.9 percent ppl dont know imu exists.

[glass plume]

oh you mean just from out of that perspective

[vale gust]

We cant say anything abt rocks. We dont even know what he wanted concretely

[icy wolf]

where is this shiki and law parallel comingg from

[glass plume]

we do know

[icy wolf]

i dont see it at all

[glass plume]

he wanted to fulfill the promise that Davy Jones had

[tulip turtle]

I think he would have tried to pursue it then

[vale gust]

What was that

[tulip turtle]

roger crew is probably the only one who knew about one piece and laughtale

[glass plume]

becoming the rightful king of the world given that Davy Jones appearantly was king once before

[brittle peak]

Can’t believe wb was chilling in a crew he didn’t care about anybody in for years

[glass plume]

he did it just to fund Sphynx Island

[fluid cedar]

Rocks knew about imu cause his family was passing information each generation

[tulip turtle]

Vegapunk : The fate of the world decides upon who obtains the one piece.

[brittle peak]

he could easily do that via his own crew - yknow and get a family too

[glass plume]

yeah sure, but i guess he had a davy back fight which decided otherwise

[icy wolf]

yeah, this kinda suggests rocks didnt know about the one piece

[glass plume]

assuming that he was recruited with a davy back fight

[ashen perch]

WB may have just been taken in via Davy Back too

[brittle peak]

didn’t davy fight happen after wb joined

[ashen perch]

its unclear if he really even wanted to join Rocks lol

[ashen perch]

no

[glass plume]

all of hte original members of the Rocks pirates were probably recruited via davy back, such as Shiki, Whitebeard and Stussy

[vale gust]

Thats so vague tho. And didnt he say he wasnt davy jones ?

[glass plume]

or well, Stussy could've just joined because of Whitebeard i guess

[proud pivot]

Ngl why did Rocks even want Stussy to join

[glass plume]

Stussy is still very smart, even tho she has a heart for Whitebeard

[ashen perch]

we see Stussy, Ganzui, WB, Wang Zhi and Shiki with Rocks like a page after Oda mentions that he recruited his crew via Davy Back

so I think the implication is somewhat clear

oh actually, it was in the same panel

[glass plume]

i have a hard time seeing a reason for Whitebeard to join if it wasn't a Davy Back fight

[ashen perch]

yea no, he was in a different crew before, we saw that in his brief flashback

[glass plume]

yeah

[ashen perch]

thats where he tells his crewmembers that he wants a family

[glass plume]

no way he thought he could find that with Rocks, lol

[blazing depot]

Shiki being this much of a snake is crazy since he was a day one 😭

[ashen perch]

a crew that was basically forcefully assembled really has no reason to be loyal

[blazing depot]

I feel like that was Rocks downfall in the end

He had no nakama 💔

[ashen perch]

yeah lol

[glass plume]

ultimately yeah, he had no one he could trust

and that was his own doing too

[analog sleet]

shes a scientist

[blazing depot]

I mean it’s one thing if they don’t care

[brittle peak]

Ehhh, still Rocks recruited Wb legitimately. And Rocks seemed like a man with a lot of honour. We kinda saw few chapters ago that WB didn’t hate the guy - he was willing to fight Imu besides Rocks.
Felt odd when Wb just left after being blown back once

[urban lodge]

I judged Shiki too harshly

[blazing depot]

But 80% of his crew were snakes

[ashen perch]

theres no reason to think WB was recruited legitimately, he was in the same panel where Davy Back is described as the reason why Xebec managed to gather his crew

WB has no reason to care for him but after he was attacked by him

[urban lodge]

Discord please

[analog sleet]

true. i'd say most of his inner circle genuinely did respect him tho

[blazing depot]

Whitebeard was the only real one

[analog sleet]

except for like linlin

[blazing depot]

Even Kaido and Linlin were self interested

[glass plume]

what are these thumbnail artists smoking

[blazing depot]

Like Big Mom immediately tells Kaido that Rocks is scum and he should stick with her

[analog sleet]

kaido respected rocks even though he was self centered

since kaido values strength over all and rocks was the strongest

[urban lodge]

I imagine Whitehead was recruited through davy back fights too

[ashen perch]

WB was willing to fight side by side because he felt he owed it to Rocks, but all of it was off the table when he was betrayed, when he was treated like a hindrance

[native seal]

mods yall gotta start banning spoilers

[brittle peak]

Yeh, if he had an IQ of 80. Clearly something was wrong with Rocks visibly. Years of being together and Wb had no idea about the type of man Rocks was?

[native seal]

https://tenor.com/view/ome-gif-7238218459248757514

[brittle peak]

Roger and Luffy have more respect for enemies

[ashen perch]

yeah the implication is clear here

[native seal]

what interaction did yall wanna see more during GV

[glass plume]

Dragon and Garp

[tulip turtle]

Why is dragon holding Shanks mom like that

[glass plume]

i have no idea

[hard fulcrum]

Rocks hid a lot from his crew (like his family, his name, etc.), so it's reasonable for them to assume that perhaps he hid more. His crew were a means to an end for him rather than people he really cared for.

[brittle peak]

Rocks and Garp.
I don’t remember them talking even once ( before the domi )

[native seal]

i wanted to see rocks and roger man

but garp and dragon was the one i wanted the most

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah this is pretty much proof

[hard fulcrum]

We won't get Garp and Dragon until we get to Dragon in the story.

[ashen perch]

Ofc they knew something was different about Rocks, I think they just believed that this was him showing his true colors. They didnt know much about the guy to believe otherwise

[glass plume]

just give it to us Oda

give us Dragon's flashback

[brittle peak]

You don’t have to know a lot about a guy to know his character. Being together for so long, its easy to get an idea

[urban lodge]

I don't think he'd ever willingly join a crew full of scummy people like that even if Rocks himself wasn't that bad

[ashen perch]

yea

[brittle peak]

just low IQ moves then

[fluid cedar]

We got plenty of that before gv

[native seal]

not really

[glass plume]

i wouldn't say plenty

[urban lodge]

The only Rocks pirates who didn't suck were him and Gloriosa basically, and maybe some of the lesser known ones

[native seal]

it wasnt enough interaction to the point where i was moved over roger shedding tears for rocks

[ashen perch]

for both of these things, we just gotta wait for the appropriate future flashbacks to get into it properly, not really the right time and also Oda doesnt really have the time in general to show it properly

[hard fulcrum]

The character he presented was a violent man who collected crew through dominance in competition, and was searching for two DF in order to become King. The transformation might well make it seem like he found one of those Fruits.

[proud pivot]

Idr when this was stated

[ashen perch]

Oda likes to deliver information in different bits and pieces, that Dragon flashback will address God Valley, that Roger flashback will address his relationship with both Garp and Rocks

[urban lodge]

Him crying over Rocks was weird lol. I get that he was feeling his emotions through voice of all things but still

[native seal]

roger flashback when

[blazing depot]

I’m honestly satisfied with God Valley story and lore wise

[proud pivot]

Boring

[blazing depot]

I don’t give a shit about clashes that was a good flashback

[urban lodge]

Oda forgor

[ashen perch]

along with Shanks's flashback

[ashen perch]

Roger is a softie, thats all there is to it

[wet condor]

I'm not holding my breath on us getting more on Rocks and Roger's relationship

[fluid cedar]

shanks flashback would just be him visiting mariejoa

[wet condor]

I mean if it comes, I'll be glad

I'm not expecting it

[unique lagoon]

Did we already got garps flashback during beehive?

[ashen perch]

they might have been rivals but seeing him in anguish was enough to move Roger to tears

[proud pivot]

I mean, kinda

[unique lagoon]

Surely theres more

[glass plume]

Dragon, Roger and Void Century

i look forward to those flashbacks

[ashen perch]

yeah that was very brief, I dont think its Garp's flashback

[hard fulcrum]

Same, tbh. There were some elements I didn't like so much (the early simping was overdone) but a lot more elements I liked. Loved seeing a new dimension to Kaido and LinLin, loved seeing Dragon's path through GV, found Rocks interesting etc.

[unique lagoon]

Garp will show how dragon lefr luffy to him

[ashen perch]

it was just to show his relationship with Kuzan

[brittle peak]

After he was impaled by a black monster with unprecedented haki who no selled 6 named attacks, my first reaction would obviously be that the ‘thing’ did something to Rocks.
Its not like controlling others via a fruit is something new

[icy wolf]

do you guys think smoker will be important again

[native seal]

yes

[proud pivot]

Yes

[native seal]

he has a whole character arc

[blazing depot]

Smoker will reform the marines I think

Along with Koby

[unique lagoon]

There is also the long awaited garp and bb conversation

[ashen perch]

yea Smoker will be back and important again

[fluid cedar]

Oda forgot about smoker every vice admiral was on egghead except him

[wet condor]

It's funny how Garp figured it was a curse of some kind

[blazing depot]

So?

[wet condor]

But Linlin, Kaido and Whitebeard didn't?

[leaden rivet]

I did find it a little off putting

[blazing depot]

You don’t use all your pieces at once idiot

[ornate tartan]

he had a cameo in egghead but wasn’t on the island

[icy wolf]

where was bogard at

[blazing depot]

Also it was a buster call, not every vice admiral was there

Dummy

[gloomy tree]

I dont think that were all the vice admirals

[hard fulcrum]

Sure, but LinLin, Kaido, and even WB aren't the smartest characters in the series. Plus, Kaido and LinLin have both dealt with betrayal from unexpected places already, so they may have been conditioned to expect that over anything else.

[unique lagoon]

Bb got to visit garps cell right? Must be a payoff there somewhere

[icy wolf]

smoker doll and bogard are the only vice admirals i can name

[native seal]

we saw him being cool as hell on his motorcycle dragging something that we still dont know about

it was a cage

or sum

[proud pivot]

Isn't hina a va

[hard fulcrum]

Garp

[brittle peak]

not even talking about Kaido and BM - they are evil and selfish. But WB man…I thought he’d have more respect for Rocks

[ornate tartan]

u forgot tsuru😂

[glass plume]

lmfao

[icy wolf]

oh yeah sure garp

[fluid cedar]

Tsuru is great advisor

[ornate tartan]

she’s one of the 3 old generation in marines along with garp and sengoku

she’s a vice admiral too

great advisor is just her epithet

[brittle peak]

In retrospect, the lineup of Rocks Pirates, Roger pirates and others could have easily wiped off all the celestial dragons on the island if IMU didn’t interfere.
Its strange how marines didn’t send more admirals, and specifically called Garp from his holiday

Where tf was Bumgoku

[unique lagoon]

Tsuru is great
I think she was one of the major factors why MF was that much of a success

[fluid cedar]

They weren’t there to kill the CDs

[glass plume]

kinda crazy how Imu managed to stop all of them

[native seal]

bumgoku was only likeable to me during law's flashback

[brittle peak]

marines didn’t know that

they are dangerous pirates

[hard fulcrum]

It's got little to do with respect (and Rocks didn't respect them all that much tbh) and more to do with intelligence and expectation. WB has a lot of love. He's the father to wayward sons. However, he makes pretty big mistakes sometimes. For instance, he lets Ace go after Teach but refuses him the backup that'd make the difference. He then dismisses Shanks when Shanks all but begs him to recall Ace and warns him about Teach. He could have avoided the war but WB, for all his love, isn't a strategist the way others are.

[brittle peak]

Rocks has a history of targeting wg

[native seal]

oda did a great job establishing his threat here in GV

cause now the stakes have risen even more

our mc is about to face this monster for the first time

[brittle peak]

Agreed tbh, WB makes a lot of blunders for plot convenience. I’ll just assume he is stupid

[fluid cedar]

They kidnapped the pirate everyone was gooning for and made her the grand prize they definitely knew

[hard fulcrum]

I find him interesting as a character. Law's flashback and his adoption/guidance of Rosinante definitely gave more dimension to the character of Sengoku though.

[glass plume]

Luffy will probably lose here on Elbaph and then he'll get back up together with the Revolutionaries

[native seal]

he has to lose here tbf

[brittle peak]

no lol, arrival of pirates was a total disaster cuz of Ginny

marines had no idea

[ornate tartan]

I hope there’s a big plot twist similar to egghead on Elbaph

[glass plume]

it would be such a great way to introduce the Revolutionaries too, have them support Luffy's escape from Elbaph

[native seal]

3rd party interference? the coolest thing i can think of is akainu pulling up

[glass plume]

and then Vivi will come too

so she can hear the message that Sabo needs to deliver

[ornate tartan]

yeah like a unexpected person showing up to the island

[glass plume]

since Vivi is looking for Luffy

[native seal]

yup we need that vivi sabo luffy reunion

[warm thunder]

i could see imu having the giant army for the final war

[urban sluice]

🤫

[native seal]

oh hell nah wtf am i lookin at

[urban sluice]

you're not ready for him on elbaph

[ornate tartan]

nah man the giants have to be on nika side like the prophecy

[native seal]

give me weevil over that bs bro

[warm thunder]

grand fleet pulls up on elbaf

[hard fulcrum]

I dunno, since we just did that with Egghead and the giants. I would like to see Vivi and Sabo make contact though, and Dragon said the deployment of the Gods Knights was his own personal go-time. I am very curious about that.

I also want Vivi with the Strawhats before they meet Cross Guild as the Robin/Crocodile/Vivi meeting would be great. I still half expect Imu to wipe Alabasta off the map.

[urban sluice]

sak

kiku will come to elbaph

letting you know now.

[glass plume]

i think post-Elbaph is the time for reunions

[fluid cedar]

ginny leaked the information about the prizes

[hard fulcrum]

I think some of these things deserve some space, and, obviously, a little bit more on the narrative side.

[brittle peak]

that’s how pirates were able to raid god valley. Marines weren’t trying to lure them in, they were caught off guard

[native seal]

thanks for the heads up

[brittle peak]

speaking off, ‘Big mom will be a part of Elbaf’ mfs technically won

[urban sluice]

LOL

[brittle peak]

tho Bm just ended up becoming more of a meme

even more of a bum in her ‘prime’

[native seal]

i never really cared about big mom tbh

[hard fulcrum]

She and Kaido were very entertaining this flashback.

[native seal]

even tho she was a whole yonko and shit

[urban sluice]

but shes big

and shes a mom

[brittle peak]

Nobody cares about BM, some just pretend to

[urban sluice]

sak do you know where that meme is with kaidos backstory

[hard fulcrum]

She was in her prime when she got bigger. We know she's stronger than when she was young and pretty.

[urban sluice]

i need to send it

[proud pivot]

I was a lil bro and then I became a big bro

[blazing depot]

On this ENTIRE SERVER’s souls this guy meets Shiki next chapter

[urban sluice]

PLEASEEE

I NEED IT

[native seal]

one sec

[hard fulcrum]

And I loved Big Mom. One of my fave non-SH female characters. Oda's a little iffy when it comes to writing powerful women sometimes but Big Mom was a genuine threat. And good fun.

[glass plume]

i care more for Katakuri than Big Mom, maybe that's just me tho

[native seal]

https://vxtwitter.com/Leleo2211/status/1987319178857185581

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Nah don't worry we didn't forget Kaido's backstory

QRT: thenerdking215
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[urban sluice]

thx

[brittle peak]

good fun as in she made a fool of herself everytime she’s on screen

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bigmom-luffy-one-piece-fight-gif-12290975

Lowkey aura

[glass plume]

i really like Big Mom's fruit

[hard fulcrum]

Katakuri's less interesting to me as a person but way more sympathetic. I'm also an advocate of him stepping up in her absence as seeing him do so would be way more interesting than the return of Big Mom and the status quo

[brittle peak]

BM probably the only one who gained NOTHING in God valley.
Just Ls after Ls

[native seal]

my goat gained a whole lotta trauma and clarity

[brittle peak]

Rare dragon W

[blazing depot]

Honestly the MVP of this flashback for me is Shiki

This guy was a dickhead to the very end 😭

[glass plume]

wish we got more from Kyo and Shiki interacting

[brittle peak]

he was a background character

[glass plume]

as they were "rivals" apperantly

[hard fulcrum]

Dragon was my other fave part of this flashback. Seeing him navigate his way through these horrors and all these powerhouses and coming out standing on business was great.

[brittle peak]

Captain John got more love this flashback than Shiki

got a few cool panels

[unique lagoon]

Will dragon leave marines after this? Did he made luffy as a freedom fighter then?

[brittle peak]

Shiki was like Robin, fading in the background with one liners

[glass plume]

i expect him to leave after God Valley yeah

[hard fulcrum]

He essentially just committed mutiny, so, I expect so.

[unique lagoon]

So luffy is a rebel made baby

[glass plume]

i really wonder how Akainu gets to know about Dragon

did he just hear about him, and decided to hate him?

[unique lagoon]

That narrows down who luffys mom is

[glass plume]

Tritoma has to be Luffy's mother

it's a perfect match

come on Oda

[bleak gate]

🐊

[hard fulcrum]

It's probably Tritoma, which is meh. Another lovesick kuja and another dead mother.

[brittle peak]

Tritoma died cuz of love sickness

can’t be her

[glass plume]

yeah since she can't abandon her duty for her love of Dragon

[unique lagoon]

Shes the only one that did die from it ye?

[brittle peak]

so far

[hard fulcrum]

I think the lovesickness would be about Luffy rather than Dragon tbh. She births a boy and has to leave him. Lovesickness for love interests doesn't seem all that fatal.

[unique lagoon]

Was gloriosa the first empress? Cant be

[brittle peak]

it is fatal, Gloriosa said it.
You’d have to leave to island, then maybe you can survive

if Dragon mated with her, she should have been fine

[graceful belfry]

That we know of, yes. Not just in general tho ye

[hard fulcrum]

I'm not entirely trusting Glory on this tbh.

[ornate tartan]

we will find out during dragon flashback but I think it might be tritoma myself

[brittle peak]

anything for agenda

ignore the story

[glass plume]

what if love sickness isn't even a thing, but it's a cover up for what really happened

[hard fulcrum]

Just given her own experiences, she made it sound much more deadly than it is.

[graceful belfry]

Anyone remember “can’t go to that island” disease

[unique lagoon]

Oda saving that info. Just in case he needs Amazon lily when joyboy flashback hapoens

[glass plume]

i wonder if Buggy will have it

still

[brittle peak]

She talked the previous emperors too iirc.
And Gloriosa and Boa suffered from that too, so its real

[hard fulcrum]

I expect Tritoma to give birth to a boy and have to leave him behind because of the no-men rule on Amazon Lily. She'll die of lovesickness and people will assume it's for her lover but it's really for her son.

[graceful belfry]

Don’t think so because I’m like 95% sure it was a translation error but it’s still hilarious

[hard fulcrum]

It's definitely real, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying it's not as deadly as Glory makes it seem.

[glass plume]

as long as it works like that, and isn't bound to be specifically for the partner

[unique lagoon]

I agree on the part where they do give birth to boys. The whole girls only is just some propaganda

[glass plume]

they're like the Gerudo

[hard fulcrum]

I think Oda will want to make Tritoma more a mother than anything else, like he did with Rouge.

[brittle peak]

You think?
or it is?

[glass plume]

yeah it would be a nice explanation, but who knows

all i know is that i want Tritoma to be Luffy's mother

[hard fulcrum]

Not us, for now, lol. I'd prefer it to be anyone except Tritoma simply because it'd make her two of Oda's worst writing crutches in one.

[brittle peak]

Can we not make Luffy any more special? At least give him a normal mother, not a literal empress

[glass plume]

it would certainly explain why Kuma sent him to Amazon Lily out of EVERY place

[unique lagoon]

Also luffy was quite old when garp got him. I can see trinoma took care of him. For a bit dragon cant do it

[bleak gate]

Maybe dragons power is parenting bc we definitely haven’t seen him do anything so far

[brittle peak]

Doesn’t explain, Tritoma was already dead and nobody else knows Luffy.
In fact nobody said anything about that after Dragon was revealed to be the father

[graceful belfry]

Lmao

[hard fulcrum]

Lovesickness and dead mothers. It'd be very Oda.

[unique lagoon]

Dragon did save his life

[bleak gate]

Dragon stopped smoker from arresting him

[glass plume]

i won't even entertain people who trash on Dragon

[bleak gate]

Doubt he would’ve been executed

[unique lagoon]

Well..

Lol

[potent pier]

She died 13 year prior and Luffy was born in Windmill village

[ornate tartan]

The insurgent serpent dragon 🐉 is him

[fringe ice]

He was just now the goat on GV

[ornate tartan]

he’s gonna have a lot of depth

[fringe ice]

Non believers still exist?

[hard fulcrum]

The obvious answer is that Dragon and Kuma ended up on Amazon Lily, met Tritoma, who fell in love with Dragon and travelled with him to lessen the pain of her lovesickness. They had Luffy but she had to return to Amazon Lily for her Empress duties and couldn't take her men. Kuma would know who Luffy's parents are but he'd just keep it quiet.

[bleak gate]

Surely he will but he doesn’t yet

[fringe ice]

He already does

[potent pier]

Also Gloriosa only went back to Amazon lily 2 years before she died of love sickness

[hard fulcrum]

It's the same with Mihawk now and Garp before. Oda constantly says 'these people are strong' and has other characters say it but people will ignore it.

[potent pier]

Kuma didn't know that Dragon had a kid until a year before the start of the current story

[brittle peak]

If she leaves, just make someone else the empress. Like Shakky and Gloriossa did

[fringe ice]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-mihawk-one-piece-fan-letter-mihawk-fan-letter-fan-letter-mihawk-gif-5730632925878386636

Can't wait

[bleak gate]

Zoro victim

[hard fulcrum]

She likely felt a duty to them. Plus, Dragon also chose his people/cause over being a father.

[bleak gate]

Bro raised sabo but abandoned luffy

[brittle peak]

then why did he have luffy in the first place lol

[bleak gate]

Can’t blame him for tryna get his nut off

[rich hornet]

That didn’t happen though

[fringe ice]

Sigh

[brittle peak]

Tritoma being the mom requires a lot of mental gymnastics and retcons….just no need for that

[hard fulcrum]

I think it fits really well... it's just the most boring option.

[bleak gate]

Ah yes I care about my child so I will abandon him allowing him to be assaulted and tortured by local thugs and bandits

Surely this is the best way for my child to be safe!

[brittle peak]

doesn’t fit at all considering she died from lovesickness

[fringe ice]

The better of two options

[brittle peak]

you just ignoring that

[rich hornet]

Luffy would do that anywhere you took him. It’s who he is

[hard fulcrum]

Dragon and Kuma are really interesting contrasts. Dragon gave up his son to (try and) save the world while Kuma gave up everything to save Bonney. Neither are necessarily wrong but it's interesting.

[potent pier]

Not really though.

[bleak gate]

How is that better than sabos upbringing with the revolutionaries

[hard fulcrum]

If she gave up Luffy and her lovesickness was for him, it works fine enough.

[rich hornet]

It super does. We aren’t even touching on the girls only thing

[potent pier]

There is one burning question in relation to all of this. When exactly did Kuma went to Amazon Lily?

[distant vine]

Garp gave him up to bandits tho

[fringe ice]

If luffy was ever caught, Dragon's entire mission would be compromised. And as soon as he goes down, the rest of the revolution falls with him

[brittle peak]

we don’t know that lovesickness can be for one’s children

[strange grail]

All the time

[rich hornet]

In his warlord duties maybe? Like thriller bark

[brittle peak]

and can amazon lillians even have boys?

[distant vine]

Yes iirc

[hard fulcrum]

Sure but we don't know that it can't either. It's an easy thing to elaborate on.

[bleak gate]

I’m talking about higuma and bluejam not his guardians

[distant vine]

Or maybe not. Idk

[fringe ice]

It's said they only give birth to girls iirc, I'll look it up

[distant vine]

Ik. Im saying Garp put him in a situation where Bluejam could get to him

[graceful belfry]

I don’t think it’s her either. Or rather, it’s the obvious option that would simultaneously require a lot of recontextualization of the things we have that currently work against it

[brittle peak]

no, that’s not how it works.
Stated in the story vs assumption is different

[distant vine]

And Higuma I'm ngl thats just Luffy's fault lol

[brittle peak]

yeh, why do that

[rich hornet]

Luffy is an instigator

[brittle peak]

when she’s already dead

[graceful belfry]

Oda-isms

[brittle peak]

luffy is already a freaking god

[graceful belfry]

It’s definitely possible

[brittle peak]

he can have a normal mom

[hard fulcrum]

Plenty of characters have been wrong or have only understood part of the story before now. Glory never had a child that we know of, so she wouldn't know.

[hard fulcrum]

I hope you're right and we get something better than Tritoma but I'm still expecting it to be her at this point.

[brittle peak]

anything can be possible, limited to imagination. No point discussing then

[rich hornet]

There’s no reason to expect it just because it got popular with fans. We always have bad fan theories

[strange grail]

What recontextualization is needed?

[graceful belfry]

Tritoma could be a good choice, but yeah. I would just rather not have Oda be like, “So the Kuja actually can birth males and I just wrote that earlier bit in as a lie”

[grand flower]

Like what

[brittle peak]

I feel like Tritoma being the mom is another L for Dragon - like her death would be pinned on him

[potent pier]

The current theory is if it's an island effect or it's biological

[proud pivot]

"good choice"
She's canonically Luffys mother 😹

[grand flower]

Oda’s lied before tbf

[graceful belfry]

I’ll be real, I don’t really have much investment in who it is

[fringe ice]

Same

[proud pivot]

The soil on that damn island is sexist

[brittle peak]

tritoma died of love-sickness, amazonians cant give birth to boys

[hard fulcrum]

Dead mother with lovesickness. It's very Oda.

[grand flower]

I feel like this argument doesnt really hold up mostly because Tritoma being Luffys mother explains why Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily

[strange grail]

It’s not a lie tho if it has been true 99.99 percent of the time! There are exceptions to every rule

[rich hornet]

It doesn’t even matter who Luffy’s mom is I think

[grand flower]

Also would fit nicely into Luffy being talented at Haki if his mother was a Kuja

[brittle peak]

how does it explain that?
Triroma being the mom wouldn’t have helped luffy at all

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, I know. That’s why I think Tritoma is a real possibility. Plus I’m being sort of disingenuous by calling it a “lie.” Oda would write a reason in as to why that belief began in the first place. Maybe something like the Kuja who did give birth to males simply never brought their sons back to the island

[ornate tartan]

Dragon had a child even while being the leader of a revolution at the time of Luffy birth

[distant vine]

Since we didnt get to see Yamato's mom I think Luffy's mom should be blocked out as well. Equality

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think it’s just gonna be a random

[hard fulcrum]

I suppose not. It's not like we learned much about Rouge as a person. I still expect Oda to write a little about her given Dragon and Luffy's importance.

[potent pier]

Thrm.getting lovesick and them havig to Leave Amazon Lily would be both environmental and Biological

[fringe ice]

It's cause Kuja are generally talented at haki especially armament

[grand flower]

Because Kuma noticed already that Luffy takes after Dragon in Thriller Bark

If Dragon endeared himself to that nation of man-haters, then surely Luffy can as well with everything kumas seen of him

[brittle peak]

he literally has monkey D genes

that already explains it

[fringe ice]

I don't agree with it but I assumed that's the logic

[potent pier]

Also something I noticed is that Kuma Paw-Pawed himself to Triller bark

[grand flower]

Dragon may have had Iva convert his daughter into a son to protect him

[graceful belfry]

Dawg

[grand flower]

Oooo

[grand flower]

I mean it’s simple

[potent pier]

Iva would've known about dragon having a kid

[graceful belfry]

No, I wouldn’t mind that at all

I just love that that’s where your mind went immediately

[grand flower]

Oh yeah that’s right

[grand flower]

It’s either that or Iva is why dragon is Luffy’s mommy AND daddy

[brittle peak]

why tf would Kuma know about that if nobody else did

[fringe ice]

[grand flower]

Same way Kuma knew Dragon had a child in the first place

[brittle peak]

garp had already revealed that, Kuma hangs around Garp and wg

[grand flower]

Who’s to say Kuma didn’t learn about Tritoma between that day Dragon confessed to being luffys father and thriller bark

[grand flower]

lol no

Dragon confessed to it

Kuma saw him watching Luffy

[rich hornet]

Kuma was on his own quest in that time

[grand flower]

When Kuma brought it up, dragon confessed that’s his son because he wanted Kuma to stop mentioning it

[potent pier]

Also, yes, Dragon's lover would.be relevent because it was somone who he decided to be vunerable with to have a kid with

[grand flower]

Kuma and Garp have never hung out

[grand flower]

Yeah tbh

Luffy was born after Dragon formed the Revos so that’s a good point

[brittle peak]

they have, when he was a warlord

[ashen perch]

this is about us never finding out why Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily I assume?

[grand flower]

That’s my main argument for why it could be Tritoma

[rich hornet]

Nah just about Tritoma

[ashen perch]

ah

but I agree with you Shuron

[potent pier]

Dawn a d dusk reasoned that it could be some sort of prophecy

[ashen perch]

its odd, he did show Kuma visiting all the other islands

[brittle peak]

how do you explain her death and luffy not being a girl

[grand flower]

Great channel I should check that out

[potent pier]

But that doesn't answer the question of when Kuma went to Amazon Lily

[rich hornet]

It’s a good enough reason that Luffy could learn about haki there. Did Nami have to be secretly related to the wesrherisns

[ashen perch]

but never Amazon Lily, as if there's a reason for it that would be revealed later, like Luffy being the son of a former empress

[ornate tartan]

the tritoma theory is better then the previous ginny one at the very least

[ashen perch]

well that one really had nothing to it lol

[hard fulcrum]

People thought Luffy's mother was Ginny? I mean... more interesting but also, lol, not gonna happen.

[brittle peak]

Luffy’s mom and the man who gave scar to wb changes every other arc.
Tritoma is just the latest victim

[potent pier]

Also there's another question, If I was to find out if the "Only girls" thing was an island thing or not, I would ask, "If a non Kuja woman gives birth on the island, would they always have a girl"

[potent pier]

Quickly debunked to be revealed as Bonny's mom

[grand flower]

Well tbf, she was introduced eating meat on the bone and we knew she ended up with the Revos after Kuma declined to marry her

[ashen perch]

well anyone can like meat lol

[grand flower]

At the time, she moved on with dragon wasn’t a horrible idea

[rich hornet]

If your a woman in a flashback, your Luffy’s mom until proven otherwise. That’s the rule

[ashen perch]

but fair

[grand flower]

I still wonder if they were really just abandoning the boys

[potent pier]

Assuming that it's an island effect, simply not being born on that island

[grand flower]

Honestly that could open the door for a bunch of people to potentially be abandoned kuja boys

I should rephrase

It’d open the door for Oda to make that a part of someone’s character

[brittle peak]

You don’t think anyone from amazon lilly would know about Dragon and Tritoma’s relationship?
cuz nobody mentions anything even after Dragon’s son is revealed

[potent pier]

Like if Blackbeard ever ends up in the flower room, this like will be wrong instantly

[hard fulcrum]

They wouldn't need to. If Tritoma left for a while and had Luffy off-island, it'd work well enough.

[brittle peak]

they would know whom she left with

[fluid cedar]

Where did he have those 5 kings though

[ornate tartan]

Luffy liking meat isn’t gonna be genetic😂😂

he just loves to eat

[hard fulcrum]

Not necessarily. She was a Kuja Empress, so she had her own ship and could travel with some independence.