also-manga

[iron oriole]

Hmm yesn't, Devon for example he was more than willing to gamble on losing her when Boa stoned them, idt he'd take the same gamble if like Laffitte was there

[digital spear]

Garling wasnt born yet

[graceful grove]

who was the medic

[proud pivot]

oh i thought u were talking abt present

[wet condor]

I remember he does tell them to stay back when fighting Ace. But I can pretty easily just chalk that up to him not wanting to lose a valuable asset, rather than him really caring about them. I mean he knews Thatch for going on 30 years and he stabbed that man in the back lol

[digital spear]

Saturn

[graceful grove]

oh yea

[wet condor]

And then tried to kill Whitebeard after WB took him in

[graceful grove]

navigator?

[digital spear]

Nusjuro

[hard fulcrum]

He'd have gone for the fight imo. WB has been 'idle' for years and Kaido was obsessed with being the strongest and the strongest ruling over all. With WB given a real reason to fight, Kaido would have jumped at the opportunity.

[proud pivot]

Peter cant be catching gooner allegations being the ships cook bruh

[glass plume]

i don't think that Kaido would've liked to fight when Whitebeard in such a sorry state

[digital spear]

its either him or Mars

[glass plume]

he would've probably liked for Whitebeard to get out of there, heal up and then they can fight

[digital spear]

someone has to cook

[latent hamlet]

also they didnt have haki so their interference is literally pointless

[graceful grove]

money and navigation. Namis dad perhaps?

[hard fulcrum]

Half that fight is him trying to get Ace to join him imo. He shows off his power without touching Ace at first, as though it might intimidate him into siding with him

[latent hamlet]

who can breathe fire among the 5 elders?

thats the cook

[digital spear]

Yes and anti Zoro

[vale heath]

Mercury

[wet condor]

Yeah, they're just subject to getting themselves killed

[digital spear]

If its Mars what is Peter then

[vale heath]

Though Mars also has a laser breathe

[iron oriole]

Genuine companionship not so much, but like their loyalty seems different.. at least to me, like we had Laffitte threatening to kill Pizzaroll for disrespecting Teach

[digital spear]

Did Warcury breathe fire?

[hard fulcrum]

Maybe once he saw the guy, he'd have changed his mind (al la Crocodile) but I def think Kaido wanted to fight WB. Otherwise Shanks has no reason to fight him, since Shanks wanted to end the war asap.

[glass plume]

oh yeah for sure, that was his intention.
but i mean when he sees Whitebeard in such a sorry state, it feels like Kaido would've liked to save it for another day

[latent hamlet]

i thought he just cloaked himself in the existing flame

[glass plume]

Kaido wants to fight people at their strongest, after all

[digital spear]

Me too

[latent hamlet]

he catches fish

[urban lodge]

The OG crew seems more loyal to Blackbeard, but is he more loyal to them? I don't think he is

[latent hamlet]

he just succs up the sea

[digital spear]

Wait Topman should be the helmsman

[graceful grove]

think he is

[glass plume]

he probably isn't loyal to anyone, in the whole verse

wouldn't surprise me if Blackbeard even killed his own mother

[hard fulcrum]

Plus, I imagine he might see Garp and Sengoku as a fun alternative fight once he got there and saw 'em. Unfortunately, he ran into Shanks, who saw him and King off anyway.

[glass plume]

it would've been interesting to see how it would've gone down

[graceful grove]

loyalty have levels. no one thinks BB will sacrifice himself for anyone but he would have their backs in a fight

[urban lodge]

The only "real" connection that he values above his ambition that I can see him having is Eris if she doesn't die

And even then she's probably responsible for him having that ambition in the first place

[hard fulcrum]

With WB, Kaido, and Shanks? Sengoku calls the execution off and attempts immediate negotiations for ceasefire, lol.

[ornate tartan]

the Xebec glaze in here bout to be over to be replaced by Loki😂😂

[glass plume]

that will work with Shanks but with Kaido, not so much

[latent hamlet]

i think WB and Shanks would be content with Ace just leaving alive

[glass plume]

Kaido would be like "Worororo, I don't care about politics.. Bring me warfare!.."

[latent hamlet]

since once ace was rescued they immediately tried to bail

altho, WB might cause destruction to make a point

[hard fulcrum]

Kaido can be restrained by the other two. Or Shanks can just try and bribe him with good sake xD. He and King are without their crew.

[latent hamlet]

"you planned to execute my son, there are consequences for that"

or some shit

[glass plume]

lmfao

[ornate tartan]

✍🏽

[iron oriole]

King & Kaido is 90% of the crew though

[glass plume]

i love this page

[hard fulcrum]

Tbf, Queen's got some damn good AoE/crowd control, which would do well in Marineford.

[sweet anvil]

Tobbi roppo deal with the vice admirals tbf

[tranquil blade]

Hey dont sleep on Queen too hard now

[iron oriole]

[tranquil blade]

Jack should be strong too but it's harder to defend him

[sweet anvil]

The vice admirals are fodder but with coordination and numbers they can be a threat

Like against Marco

[tranquil blade]

Speaking of which Queen is getting freed soon

[iron oriole]

Jack ain't shit, bro got negged by an Elephant that cant even defend itself without being told to

[tranquil blade]

It's a pretty big elephant

[iron oriole]

Excuses

Kaido would never

[lofty fern]

He just gave Marco a dad. That's more than most people get.

[hard fulcrum]

They couldn't have gotten Marco if not for Kizaru's sniping.

[sweet anvil]

Yeah that’s my point though

[hard fulcrum]

He's probably dead and he's now made him 'Marco Polo', lol

[sweet anvil]

They can’t beat anyone head on but with sneaking coordination and numbers

They can do something

[iron oriole]

It was always going to be Polo Marco

[lofty fern]

He has a last name, that's more than most get 👍
And at least his dad was better than Franky's

[sweet anvil]

Imu kills polo gram

[proud pivot]

6 7 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[sweet anvil]

Just wait

[hard fulcrum]

That's not setting a high standard. Although Franky did get some good dancing genes.

[iron oriole]

Polo Gram kills Imu

[wet condor]

Good distinction

[proud pivot]

@digital spear pin this

[sweet anvil]

Whitebeards fruit said it could destroy the world

What if that was about imu

[prisma idol]

Asking for your own message to be pinned 🥀

[sweet anvil]

That’s why bb wanted the quake fruit

[proud pivot]

sybauh gtfoh

[sweet anvil]

Im Cooking

[urban lodge]

Maybe if Whitebeard had done anything to Imu but he didn't

[lofty fern]

The most I can see is them being the "WB, Kaido, and BM" of his future GV, while everyone else will be just like the rest of rocks

[sweet anvil]

Maybe not whitebeard himself

But a user of the fruit from the void century

The awakening of the quake fruit may have the ability to do something

[prisma idol]

Sorry the fact that absolutely nobody did anything makes it really really difficult to believe anyone can beat Imu rn, let alone BB

Luffy of course will have Nika hax

[final trench]

Polo Graham is PK level

[proud pivot]

Akainu can beat Imu extreme diff rn

[final trench]

Also the fruit is op

[sweet anvil]

Oh my God bro

[final trench]

Cant let the marines have it

[prisma idol]

Also since its Polo Graham, that means Marco is Polo Marco yeah?

[final trench]

Imagine if a nigga like helmeppo got the quake fruit

[cold steppe]

Didn't you read last chapter ? Just use more haki

[final trench]

How would you feel

[cold steppe]

Imu is cooked

[urban lodge]

As much as I hate it the Luffy and Blackbeard team up is looking pretty likely

[final trench]

Thats why they can never meet again, because they have the power to kill imu

[hard fulcrum]

There's an obvious trick to Domi Reversi: there has to be a way to flip things back. We just don't know it yet. I suspect it's a matter of aligned wills and Haki application.

[final trench]

But he’ll pit them together as enemies

[prisma idol]

Yes but not a single soul has Haki equal or greater to Roger, Garp, and 4 Rocks pirates combined

[sweet anvil]

That phrase was in the Harley

Cook

[final trench]

And imu said it last chapter

[lofty fern]

All that haki and they couldn't even do anything about DR

[grand flower]

I’m bouta reread this chapter man

Shit is heat

[sweet anvil]

I think imu is worried about shirahoshi vivi luffy and bb meeting

[iron oriole]

Yeah describing the 1st & 2nd world, 3rd which is presumably the current had "they will meet again"

[hard fulcrum]

If it happens, it'll be incidental imo. Luffy's never making a real alliance with BB

[sweet anvil]

I think they are the people who will cause imus fall

[ornate tartan]

the art in marineford was so good

pre timeskip in general

[lofty fern]

BB would just be all lecherous over Vivi and try to kidnap Shirahoshi and then Luffy would fight him. Imu has nothing to worry about 🥱
Even here, he just let the Ds all kill each other while he just watches.

[final trench]

The anicent ones

[orchid quail]

hi

[cold steppe]

Yeah lol I'm just making fun of the concept

[cold steppe]

Usopp about to show them how it's done in the present

[hard fulcrum]

Post TS-Art is great too. There are some things I miss for sure though.

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/usopp-eneru-enel-nami-usopp-vs-eneru-gif-16683473

[sweet anvil]

“Imu has nothing to worry about”

[orchid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/gol-d-roger-gif-19987210

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-gif-8272342975911687520

[lofty fern]

Ds gotta learn to work together or they're not getting anywhere.

Luffy's got a pretty good start. Most of the Ds are on his side

[sweet anvil]

Yeah

I believe Blackbeard and him will temporarily cooperate

That is enough for the defeat of imu

[lofty fern]

He'd be too busy trying to kidnap Shirahoshi, which will put him and Luffy at even more odds

[sweet anvil]

Especially if we consider it’s likely both fruits have the possibility of causing imu serious damage

[sweet anvil]

I’d argue he’d realise that imu is a bigger target than shirahoshi for him

Shirahoshis ancient weapon wouldn’t be effective for him anyways

What does he have to gain from flooding the world

[lofty fern]

He wants power. controlling Shirahoshi would be better for him

[final trench]

Facts

[rose rune]

Looks like all my shitty fanart will come true

[final trench]

The formula aint dead

[lofty fern]

He'd add her to his collection of kidnapped SH loved ones

[final trench]

Perona tried IT AINT WORK

Sugar tried IT AINT WORK

Imu gon try it AND I T WONT WORKKKKK

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-god-dressrosa-usopp-god-usopp-gif-26183922

God Usopp will prevail

[urban lodge]

Disgusting

There are only so many times you can repeat a gag without ruining it

[sweet anvil]

A temporary alliance with them would be more effective than kidnapping shirahoshi who can’t use her ancient weapon at will and would be very reluctant to use it for him

[final trench]

I KNOW

I just KNOW you aint talking

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-jason-hayes-sonny-quinn-seal-team-s6e10-gif-27128695

[urban lodge]

Especially against Imu of all people

[final trench]

You better hope imu dont get vivi shlawg 👌🏾 😭

[lofty fern]

BB already has Garp and Pudding. I don't think Luffy's going to let that slide

And that's on top of all the Ace stuff

[hard fulcrum]

BB is partly responsible for Ace's death and continually hurts people Luffy cares about (Hancock, Bonney, Law & the Hearts, Garp, Pudding)

[grand flower]

Think it’s interesting that Blackbeard hasnt expressed interest in the ancient weapons even once

[ornate tartan]

unless garp gets freed somehow luffy is never cooperating with Blackbeard not to mention the fact he was the guy who turned in Ace

[final trench]

Soon to be Lhanks aswell

[sweet anvil]

Like I said it won’t be willingly alliance more so something out of necessity

Imo at least

[final trench]

True, but caribou knows about both

[rose rune]

"I'm not teaming up with you because I want to"
"Baka"

[final trench]

So we’ll see what he does

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard pretty much has 100% responsibility for aces death

[grand flower]

He has no intentions of telling Teach, no cap

[sweet anvil]

Either way I don’t really have a way of proving they will cooperate

[grand flower]

Caribo is pure cap

[leaden rivet]

So who’s he going to tell

[tranquil blade]

Well he might now, considering Caribou is probably about to tell him

[sweet anvil]

And even if they don’t Blackbeard and Luffy will still provide massive threat to imu from 2 different fronts

[rose rune]

Naaah. At least 70% of that was Ace's fault

[grand flower]

I don’t believe a word out of Caribou’s mouth

[leaden rivet]

And tbh of the 3 factions Blackbeard is by far the weakest. He needs an ancient weapon.

[tranquil blade]

If he knows where they are it would be foolish to not at least try to get one of them

[hard fulcrum]

Luffy isn't that guy. He values his friends above the safety of the world.

[urban lodge]

Caribou will tell him, it just won't be voluntarily

[grand flower]

He’s lied about this twice already

Caribou is a slippery one

[rose rune]

That was blackbeard talking

[tranquil blade]

but what happens when Blackbeard finds out he's lying?

[final trench]

He does

He pulled up on augur and devon

[grand flower]

I simply think Cariboi will find a window to escape

What the fuck bro

Carivou is an actual word iOS

NIGGA

Okay

[tranquil blade]

lol

[grand flower]

He’s Carivou now

[urban lodge]

I'm fully convinced he's lying after seeing Wang Zhi

[sweet anvil]

Real

[urban lodge]

He has to be his son

[rose rune]

30% bb because he killed thatch. 70% ace for ignoring orders twice

[lofty fern]

I think even if it was a necessity, Luffy wouldn't do it. BB isn't like Roger to his Garp. And BB has just hurt too many of Luffy's friends. And it's not even like Crocodile where that stuff has been resolved. He's still hurting his friends.

[hard fulcrum]

No, it's all BB/WG.

Ace being psychologically/emotionally weak and reckless at the end is just one drop in the bucket tbh. Heck, WB himself had two chances to stop it (forbid Ace from going or allow him the backup Ace asked for, or recall him once Shanks did all but beg WB to do so).

[grand flower]

Dude I was fully convinced he was lying csuse he deadass pulled this “hey I wanna be in your crew!” con TWICE now

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-black-vortex-gif-5290710228199069864

[final trench]

Last thing caribou sees:

[tranquil blade]

This means he will betray BB and join Cross Guild and then probably betray them too

[grand flower]

To escape Egghead

[urban lodge]

You were a visionary, we just didn't see it

[grand flower]

A Yonko and the Navy were blowing it up

He had to get tf

[final trench]

He still knows about them

[grand flower]

Thats exactly what he did in udon

[grand flower]

Yeah ofc

[final trench]

And if he dont, he’ll just die

[rose rune]

Ok sure. 50% ace, 25% for bb and wb

[grand flower]

Blackbeard just isn’t who he wants to tell

[grand flower]

Or escape

[final trench]

He dead

[sweet anvil]

Like I said I still think it’s a viable possibility and if they aren’t teaming up they would both be fighting a common enemy from 2 fronts in turn giving the sense they’re allied even though they still despise eachother and ready to run the fade after

[tranquil blade]

I'm ngl Zoro was kind of a dick to him, like I know Caribou was evil but Zoro's like "Yeah could you just like fuck off real quick"

[grand flower]

Caribou has something up his sleeve

[grand flower]

Well tbf Carivou tried to kill them

Multiple times

[urban lodge]

I kinda love how important Caribou is, no one expected him to be this important and it's hilarious

[grand flower]

And they caught him trying to kidnap women

Anyways I think the person Cariboi actually wants to tell is gonna turn out to be either:

1. Dragon

2. Loki

3. Crocodile

[tranquil blade]

Oh he's evil alright

[grand flower]

In that order of likelihood

[hard fulcrum]

The WG wanted to use Ace to draw in WB, so they're responsible. Plus Garp, who couldn't bring himself to fight his grandkids but also couldn't bring himself to fight for them until it was too late for Ace.

A lot of factors went into what happened.

[grand flower]

If I tell you why I think it’s dragon, you’ll think I’m a prophet

[warm thunder]

i think he does have the intention to tell teach or he will dip the second hes on hachinosu and hide

[hard fulcrum]

It took a while for Buggy to really become relevant on the world's stage too.

[grand flower]

I think it’s telling that Carivou has no internal monologue confirming he wants to tell Teach

[rose rune]

You can blame a lot of circumstances and people, but you are still responsible for your own actions

[grand flower]

Everything about Teach is what he says out loud

And nothing Carivou says out loud is worth anything

[ornate tartan]

Blackbeard stealing pluton prediction kind of invalidates the entire country of Wano

The role in the final war they should play is to bring down the borders of wano when Momo orders Zunesha to at the right time to aid Luffy in the final war, who is the current Joyboy figure

[lofty fern]

Caribou feels like he's going to be to BB what Ochaku was to Rocks, the spark to a powderkeg

[grand flower]

Akainu will steal it imo

I don’t think he’ll destroy Wano to do it

[ornate tartan]

if BB steals Pluton what is the role of Wano and Zunesha?

[grand flower]

He doesnr have to

He can just travel to it through mt. Fuji

[final trench]

Plus bb have been fighting niggas who’ve been affiliated with his dad

[grand flower]

Ride it out and break the walls

[final trench]

Yamato next

Its fate

[steel stirrup]

Is Luffy part Tontatta?

Hella gullible

[final trench]

Usopp**

[grand flower]

But yeah wang zhi being Caribous dad tells me Carivou ain’t shit even more

[final trench]

I mean we dont know if they’re related, but they do have a similar face iagl

[tranquil blade]

Idk, I really think he'd go for Poseidon tbh, like yeah his whole crew is fruit users but it'd be pretty easy to just like hold Neptune hostage and make Shirahoshi come along with them

[grand flower]

Some names telling me caribou will tell Blackbeard are the same names who told me wang zhi didn’t sell out rocks

[hard fulcrum]

To a point. Your circumstances still shape you and it's not that easy to break from them. Both Robin and Law ended up in the same place as Ace. Luffy saved both directly when both were ready to die but neither were able to move on easily just because they were saved. They just got an opportunity to try afterwards. Ace's self-loathing was deep and long-cultivated. Even then, his last act was to save his brother.

[tranquil blade]

I knew the second I saw Wang Zhi counting his money that he was that type of guy

[final trench]

You could tell by wang zhis face he was a rat

[rose rune]

Yeh get that. We did read the same story

[final trench]

I thought it was either him or silver axe

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[final trench]

Silver axe had that undercover cop drip but he didnt fold it seems

[steel stirrup]

Knew that nigga was slimey from the first moment I saw his ass

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ochoku-ochoku-one-piece-tongue-tongue-out-gif-7225139026296811423

[hasty sable]

Who else is Caribou going to tell if not Blackbeard? Lol

[final trench]

Im pose to trust this guy?

[digital spear]

He was specifically designed for that

[tranquil blade]

Crocodile maybe idk

[hard fulcrum]

Ah. I'm just too used to mindless slander of Ace (and... every character at this point).

[steel stirrup]

He looks like he's plotting on everyone he sees

[final trench]

CG vs the blackbeard pirates

[grand flower]

From most to least likely, it’s either dragon Loki or crocodile

[final trench]

Battle for pluton

[digital spear]

I dont think anyone said the second part

[dense pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548161219249438740/1436052389475123313/IMG_4300.gif

[tranquil blade]

I feel like Loki is the least likely tho cause he's been out of the game for years

[final trench]

Apparently

[digital spear]

Peak gif

[umbral creek]

https://tenor.com/view/nico-robin-thursday-one-piece-one-piece-thursday-nico-robin-awesome-beautiful-amazing-gif-13522275493271774590

[grand flower]

Ms. Irene and I debated that

[final trench]

I wanna know how strong bro is, he held that bitch down for 38 years 😭

[rose rune]

I'm just saying it's wrong to blame everyone else without recognizing that Ace is also at fault

[urban lodge]

Goat Zhi is the biggest winner of this entire flashback

[umbral creek]

I WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MY GLORIOUS QUEEN ROBIN🥹

[ornate tartan]

even over rocks?

[urban lodge]

Bro got an island he ruled over for almost 40 years

[tranquil blade]

Wang Zhi is just greedy as hell

[final trench]

Wonder how he fights

[hasty sable]

I wish Caribou was still a communist

[final trench]

Plus he killed don marlon, but idk how stronghe is

[dense pike]

Thank you, I made it
shit took like 30min 😭
and the only response i got the first time was
"his tongue is moving"

[steel stirrup]

This is just sad Penny

The mental gymnastics

[urban lodge]

Is that not what happened?

[tranquil blade]

Tbf that wasnt really his fault he just happened to look like a communist leader

[hard fulcrum]

True, though I'd still say there are larger contributing forces, with BB and the WG baring the brunt. The way the world is structured is genuinely unfair in OP and those who exploit it do get further ahead.

[final trench]

Anything to diss the davy ig 🥀

[urban lodge]

Bruh

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-blackbeard-one-piece-marshal-d-teach-teach-gif-12272054704032351462

[grand flower]

Don’t be surprised when it’s Akainu

[digital spear]

"His tongue is moving!"

[final trench]

BUT WE KNOW WHO HAD TO TAKE THAT BITCH BACK

[steel stirrup]

Lets not talk about the Davy Clan and see if Penny still says shit like that

[grand flower]

Pluton is in a volcano for a reason

Akainu is the only person who can get to it

[final trench]

Akainu might pull up to elbaf

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard can break open the mountain and get it

[final trench]

Oh no bro

[grand flower]

The admirals are all based on movie characters that are samurai or yakuza

[digital spear]

I still dont think this means Caribou wont tell Blackbeard

[grand flower]

Where do yakuza and samurai come from in OP?

[final trench]

The marines get a anicent weapon scary times

[grand flower]

And then go into the lava for it how

[final trench]

Lafitte got it

[hasty sable]

Just smash open the mountain and yoink it

[grand flower]

Where does Aramaki debut his design and powers?

[final trench]

Or my dawg sanjuan he a giant he got durability

[hasty sable]

The Government already have an ancient weapon

I think Teach will probably only get one of them though

[rose rune]

Yeah. I think this is just a simple case of me and you disagreeing on percenteges, which honestly is a bit silly. I do get why you thought it was slander tho. I kinda came in here gunning

[steel stirrup]

I thought Pluton was underwater

When is it said it was inside the actual volcano

[grand flower]

Akainu is claiming pluton for the navy

Not the government

[hasty sable]

Akainu is a government dog to the end

Marines = government

[tranquil blade]

Tbf wouldnt the government immediately start putting their hand out for that weapon if Akainu got it

[grand flower]

Let’s agree to disagree then

[hasty sable]

No

[grand flower]

Akainu: fuck them niggas, it’s navy law now

[final trench]

Is that fuji

[grand flower]

The signs are all there

[steel stirrup]

Yea

[grand flower]

I’ll see y’all when Akainu has Pluton

[tranquil blade]

The split would probably start happening right then and there

[grand flower]

Yup

[final trench]

Ahh ok

[grand flower]

I think it’s gonna be over Garp

[dense pike]

Worst part is it wasnt even some whitename it was an established upstanding member 😭

[hasty sable]

There are no signs and Sakazuki isn’t even in a position to learn about Pluton

[grand flower]

Akainu will want to go get him, thr government won’t

[steel stirrup]

If Akainu gets it the WG would tell him to immediately turn that shit over

[final trench]

Nah akainu will definitely go against them

[hasty sable]

Besides if he got Pluton he’d just use it to help the government

[final trench]

When he gets proof that imu exists he will go ballistic

[grand flower]

Yeah okay you wanna ignore the scans I’m posting. We’re agreeing to disagree

[final trench]

Rn he just coping

[hasty sable]

He’s a dog just like Borsalino

[steel stirrup]

How is he gonna use it without a fuel source

[rose rune]

He uses his magma to piece the burnt piece of paper from enies back together

[hard fulcrum]

I think if the government was gonna get Pluton, Oda would have had Aramaki yoink it when he grabbed King and Queen somehow.

[hasty sable]

Pluton is dependent on Momo opening the borders

[digital spear]

Shameful to our community. Who was it? I will make sure necessary actions will be taken.

[hasty sable]

So I don’t know that any of the villains will get it

[tranquil blade]

I mean he didnt know it was there

[grand flower]

The man made of plants was gonna pull pluton out of lava

[hard fulcrum]

Sure, but Oda could have contrived a way. Maybe have Kind and Queen break it out beforehand as part of an escape plan using Queen's viruses and King's resistances.

[grand flower]

Fuck em

[grand flower]

Pluton will run on magma

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but they didnt know either, there was like 2 people on the island who knew

[grand flower]

The scans I was post in earlier were to substantiate the claim I’m bouta make

[tranquil blade]

Oh I wasnt replying to you I was replying to Stranger

[grand flower]

Sakazuki, Issho, Aramaki, and Kuzan are the children of the people who left Wano 55 years ago

That’s how Akainu will know pluton is in Wano

[dense pike]

"established" might be a stretch now that i think abt it 😭

[grand flower]

IK, I have the answer tho

Cause I got all the answers

[hard fulcrum]

My point is that if Oda wanted that to happen, there were ways he could have pushed that forward. I think he simply has other plans for Pluton.

[digital spear]

I thought it was like a mod

[tranquil blade]

Wait why is Kizaru not included

[latent hamlet]

wang zhi is probably like

"WAIT ROCKS IS DEAD AND EVERY1 SPLIT UP? LETS GOOOOO THIS IS MY TURF NOW"

years later
BB: we should probably kill wang zhi huh

[digital spear]

Let him be 😭 hes just a lil fella

[hasty sable]

Akainu when the Gorosei tell him to nuke an island because there is resistance on it

[dense pike]

oh thankfully not 😮‍💨

[grand flower]

His name is Italian and he’s older than them so I don’t think he was part of the Wano emigrants

But he could be one

[rose rune]

I would never

[dense pike]

just this once

[tranquil blade]

I suppose

[grand flower]

His design is based on yakuza too

So maybe he is

But those five, I’m sure of it

[iron oriole]

Its kinda crazy that he ruled it pretty chill for presumably almost 4 decades

[grand flower]

Akainus sword and Sakura blossom tattoos are the same cultural symbols of Wano

[dense pike]

NOT BROGYS MIGHTY ARM?!

[grand flower]

The emigrants left Wano 55 years ago

Akainu is that age

[hard fulcrum]

There are people connected to Wano who settled elsewhere, like Moria's side of the Kozuki or Zoro's teacher.

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/slaking-pokemon-gif-8271071037542270292

[hasty sable]

Reminder that Oda made Moria the Wano descendent character instead of any of he characters based on famous Japanese film actors

[tranquil blade]

His mighty arm was defeated by Imu

[digital spear]

Because Kizaru is 58 years old, Shuron was careful to pick those

[grand flower]

53-55 canr remember exactly

[latent hamlet]

they forgot about him

[grand flower]

Yup

[dense pike]

But… his iconic mighty arm

[grand flower]

We know for a fact that not every emigrant stayed in Shimotsuki

Some kept traveling

The ones who kept traveling are the admirals’ parents

Mark my words

[hasty sable]

Reminder that Akainu wouldn’t let Borsalino go to Wano because the samurai were an unknown military force

[digital spear]

Kinemon > Kizaru

[grand flower]

This why you gotta just block people

[hasty sable]

I love everybody

[ashen perch]

Final War Momo is stronger than every Admiral

[tranquil blade]

Okay

[ashen perch]

its true

[hasty sable]

Final war Momo when he surpasses Oden with sunacchi

[iron oriole]

Final War Tama negs your fave

[digital spear]

Acoc Nitoryu Hybrid Momo

[ashen perch]

well, Koby might prove to be an exception

[digital spear]

What

[pine scaffold]

will Oda fall for the ''making the final boss too OP'' trope like other shonen?

[hard fulcrum]

Akainu probably doesn't know much about Wano, even if he is connected by blood. He's been a career Marine for a long, long time. He has no reason to know much.

[ashen perch]

since he is meant to surpass Garp and all, but aside from him, every admiral<Momo

[tranquil blade]

Possibly

[hasty sable]

I think future Koby will surpass Garp

[pine scaffold]

Imu being able to domi reversi anyone is already a bad start

like thats just ridiculous

[hasty sable]

But he’s the future of the Marines not the present

[digital spear]

He will

[ashen perch]

Sb I swear this is the 5th time you have asked this

[pine scaffold]

NOBODY ANSWERS

[hasty sable]

He won’t get there during the story imo

[ashen perch]

you have gotten your answers already

[digital spear]

Too bad of a question

[pine scaffold]

everyone just says no

[dense pike]

You know the meme of "Deku is street tier —> he can defeat anyone if theyre on a street"?
We gotta make that but its "Kinemon can cut fire —> Kinemon can defeat anyone even vaguely related to fire"

[ashen perch]

yes, that is an answer

[pine scaffold]

which is a dumb anwer

[ashen perch]

its the right answer

[tranquil blade]

Do we think Elbaph is fully getting taken over this arc or not

[brittle basin]

Luffy has needed help on more than one occassion with taking down powerful opponents, so it's not impossible.

[ashen perch]

I think it gets taken over and liberated within the same arc

[rose rune]

Maybe oda will make Imu a weak worm that just controls the bodies from afar

[hasty sable]

Hasn’t he already? If you can call it a trap isn’t Imu already clearly that?

[rose rune]

And luffy steps on him

[proud pivot]

Yes

[hard fulcrum]

In what sense? Oda sketched out the rough dimensions for the powerscaling of the world a long time ago (introducing the likes of Shanks and Mihawk bloody early). However, Oda also doesn't care much about powerscalers and nitpickers. Most fights aren't clean, most have enemy swapping environmental factors, weird strategies etc. Narrative pushes things forward.

[ashen perch]

Imu is OP but the he hasnt fallen into the trap of making him too OP, theres a distinction between the two

[pine scaffold]

I think Oda may write himself into a corner during the final arc where he made his villain so powerful that we win through silly means (like an asspull)

[hasty sable]

Four emperors were the “monsters” of the world and logic didn’t apply to them. Now that two are dead the threat escalated.

[proud pivot]

Imu is too OP

[ashen perch]

we can easily expect Luffy and BB to manage to beat this guy, the setup is happening as we speak

[cold steppe]

I think it's safe to say Imu will be a raid boss battle

And blackbeard a 1v1

[ashen perch]

there is no trap here, trap implies that Oda doesnt know what he is doing and that he would be scrambling for answers at the last second

[steel stirrup]

The real final villain will dethrone that mid villain dont trip

[hasty sable]

Oh well no he didn’t write himself into a corner. Imu obviously has a built-in weakness

[pine scaffold]

This technically counts as BB as well

cuz if BB steals Imu's powers

[rose rune]

Love

[pine scaffold]

he becomes just godly levels of OP

[proud pivot]

bb doesn't need imus puppy ass powers

[pine scaffold]

I just wonder if Oda has a planned way to defeat these guys

[steel stirrup]

Blackbeard been around since Jaya

Imu was introduced in the Reverie

I know who the real villain is

[hasty sable]

We have haki and Blackbeard

[steel stirrup]

Facts

[pine scaffold]

yes BB is the final villain obviously

[ashen perch]

thats not really how this works

[steel stirrup]

It is now

[urban lodge]

One day BB fans will understand that they can like more than one character

[steel stirrup]

Fym

[steel stirrup]

I do tho

[hasty sable]

Yeah they can like Blackbeard and Rocks

[ashen perch]

also the Gorosei were introduced in Jaya, doesnt really matter

[proud pivot]

I love Akainu, thanks

[tranquil blade]

That's an interesting way to describe his powers

[pine scaffold]

The gorosei were introduced the chapter after the BBP were

Oda wants us to have these final villain discussions

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[pine scaffold]

whining about them is just disrespectful to Oda

[ashen perch]

BB stealing Imu's powers can lead to multiple outcomes that we can sort of expect already too, there isnt gonna be a trap he will fall into there either

[steel stirrup]

Mfs be denying reality

[hasty sable]

You don’t have to convince me more

[pine scaffold]

Oda wants there to be a discussion who could the final threat be

[ornate tartan]

well the final villian discourse is 5x better then the swordsmanship one

😂

[steel stirrup]

Truee

[proud pivot]

Mihawk wins

[pine scaffold]

these discussions are fun tbh

[proud pivot]

They're not

[steel stirrup]

Rather debate about this than that tired ass conversation

[ashen perch]

whether its BB being pushed into the sea, or exploding as soon as he absorbs them.

[grand flower]

That’s why I mention that Akainu would fall into the generation immediately after the generation that lived in Wano. He can very well know from his parents and the other adults

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is going to be a secondary threat to Imu regardless. I do think he gets resolved after Imu but he won’t supersede them as the BBEG.

[steel stirrup]

Imu was also introduced one chapter before Xebec

Another parallel

[hard fulcrum]

Imu's strong but they react rashly when under pressure. We've seen them fail to eliminate targets (Sabo) and throw temper tantrums (stabbing pictures). They favour control over destruction until pressured and they have been largely complacent and reliant upon systems that are now overstrained. They have an incredible ability but it's clear it's part of a game system that has a counter.

The WG is also under pressure from many fronts. The Revs and Cross Guild are piling on direct pressure, while other forces like the Emperors are moving towards an indirect but terrifying escalation.

So far, I don't see the 'trap' of 'too much power'. There's enough for a threat but not so much it's insurmountable.

[ornate tartan]

looks like a morj thumbnail😂

[urban lodge]

Embarrassing

[barren token]

Hey everyone what did we think about the chapter?

[grand flower]

Also I’m just gonna mention, the kozuki Moriah argument archer tried to make is stupid as fuck
the fact that Oda revealed a character so distant from Wano actually has ties there just means the characters who share motifs with Wano have a higher chance of this reveal coming to fruition

[tranquil blade]

It was okay

[ornate tartan]

penny DESPISES the Davy family😂

[hasty sable]

Needed more Rocks

[proud pivot]

6/10

[brittle basin]

Stussy included. 11/10

[graceful belfry]

Wet fart

[tranquil blade]

The best part was Dragon crashing out

[steel stirrup]

BBP introduced one chapter before the Gorosei

Imu revealed one chapter before Xebec

Any other time yall would swear that was a foreshadow moment

[barren token]

I'm noting this all down

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard is ok. But I'm probably gonna end up hating him too

[ashen perch]

are you

[cold steppe]

I was right about DFs > Haki

[stray prism]

a solid solid out of solid

[brittle basin]

who do you like?

[pine scaffold]

the amount of Imu fans who became BB final villain supporters during this flashback is insane

[ornate tartan]

Yeah I think BB is a good character but im def not rooting for that guy myself

[pine scaffold]

I think Buffy is one of them

[ornate tartan]

Xebec was interesting too

[pine scaffold]

used to think Imu was the big bad

then switched

[brittle basin]

I did

[pine scaffold]

yep

see

[brittle basin]

then i switched after this flashback

[tranquil blade]

I would actually use the term mid to describe this chapter unironically

[hard fulcrum]

8.5/10. Solid progression, good art. We surely have to get back to Harald now?

[brittle basin]

BB is clearly the big bad now to me

[steel stirrup]

Thats a good goddamn question

Other than Gunko

[ashen perch]

the amount of imu fans and its one person

[brittle basin]

but I still love imu

[barren token]

We're never getting back to harold

[glass plume]

best part about this flashback was the Dragon moments

[lofty fern]

Do we think Garp and BB will talk about God Valley? I don't think Garp knew Rocks had a family. 🤔

[cold steppe]

I still think it's imu

[barren token]

This simply isn't flashback anymore

[cold steppe]

Because blackbeard is not the one that represents rocks

[pine scaffold]

me as well I was a huge Imu fan

[glass plume]

Garp will tell him how much of a failure he is compared to Xebec

really rub it in

[ashen perch]

BB is the final villain at best, Imu is the main antagonist of the series, nothing changing this

[brittle basin]

flashflashflashback

[hasty sable]

Teach backstory is going to turn everything around for this guy

[ashen perch]

SB I dont count you as a person

[cold steppe]

Like Ace wasn't the one representing roger

[lofty fern]

You're an everyone fan SB

[pine scaffold]

BB is the main antagonist and final villain

[barren token]

Kinda pisses me off when people change their minds after learning new information

[pine scaffold]

he orchestrated everything

[ashen perch]

lmao

[pine scaffold]

thatch, ace

[brittle basin]

my current thought is BB kills Imu to finish what Rocks started

[pine scaffold]

he set it all off

[lofty fern]

You flipflop everywhere

[tranquil blade]

Are you calling SB less than a person

[ashen perch]

yea

[graceful belfry]

Nice one

[steel stirrup]

He literally orchestrated the entire Pre TS but ok

[urban lodge]

Garp, Whitebeard, Doffy, Corazon, Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy, Nami, Zoro

[brittle basin]

I'm starting to think Oda is building up Imu only to have BB cut him short and usurp him

[hasty sable]

I think Blackbeard kills Imu but he’s still going to be the secondary antagonist and not the big bad

[hard fulcrum]

That's normal tbh. Learning something that challenges your beliefs should force reassessment

[pine scaffold]

homophobia

jk

[brittle basin]

Good list. Now add Rocks.

[lofty fern]

Nah...it's like trying to make a sad backstory for Saturn

[ornate tartan]

I hope Imu glazers don’t show up

[ashen perch]

pre ts is a couple of months, Imu started this series lol

[brittle basin]

i love Imu

[leaden rivet]

I may go a little worse. But I just had too high expectations.

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[barren token]

Yes that's the joke

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is going to be sympathetic I think

[leaden rivet]

Muk doesn’t come here anymore

[pine scaffold]

I WAS ALMOST COOKED

[hasty sable]

More than most villains

[steel stirrup]

READ NIGGA READ

[ashen perch]

he wont be getting any sympathies from me

[pine scaffold]

but the full chap of 1163 came out and I went back to Xebec

[proud pivot]

They dropped the HD version

[glass plume]

Blackbeard fans are probably a big reason for why he gets a lot of opposition

[urban lodge]

He's already not sympathetic

[pine scaffold]

Xebec is and forever will be my goat

even at the end of the series

[glass plume]

it's rare to see a Blackbeard fan talk about anything which isn't Xebec or Blackbeard

[graceful belfry]

Mhm

[lofty fern]

Once Xebec is gone, he'll be back to Imu again

[proud pivot]

Enough time has passed

[hasty sable]

He’s still the evil version of Rocks but he will get a sob story and it’ll be clear why he feels like he has to do all this stuff

[steel stirrup]

Don't nobody want your sympathy

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard fans are only considered a problem in this channel and no where else in the op fandom lol

[grand flower]

What if you find out he liked to touch people

[barren token]

I'd like rocks more if we saw him set orphans on fire or something

[ashen perch]

??

[pine scaffold]

dawg

nah Arsal ban them

[steel stirrup]

We just saw ts wym

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah I'd put Roger up there among my favorites now too, this flashback has been great for him

[glass plume]

they seem to be pretty horseshit everywhere else too, at least where I've seen

[lofty fern]

So Sommers?

[grand flower]

At least you used my preferred pronouns #DarkWoke

[hard fulcrum]

Doffy's backstory is sympathetic and he's still a psychological horror show working his way through the Geneva 'checklist'. BB can have a sympathetic background that explains why he is the way he is... but he's still gonna be a terrible person.

[hasty sable]

I think he’ll be more sympathetic than Doffy

[pine scaffold]

DARK WOKE 💀

[steel stirrup]

Atp the BB hate is either based in being a Shanks fanboy or racism

Choose one

[lofty fern]

So not...

[glass plume]

wtf

[hasty sable]

BB is always going to be a terrible guy he’s the villain after all

[grand flower]

Lmfao

[ornate tartan]

BB fans as a whole aren’t that bad compared to Admiral fans😂 if im being honest

BB fans are way better then them

[graceful belfry]

Thank you

[barren token]

All fans are annoying and shit

One piece fans are annoying and shit

[proud pivot]

I'm both

[ashen perch]

trvke

[hasty sable]

Gonbe fans are exempt

[leaden rivet]

From what I noticed they never have a presence

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/big-fan-im-a-fan-im-a-big-fan-gif-11271815625240458337

[grand flower]

Yall are gonna keep listing “fans” becausw the fandom is saturated by juvenile behavior

[leaden rivet]

It’s only really here that complains about them

[barren token]

Gonbe fans are tall and muscular

[glass plume]

really? i find them barking louder than ever

[pine scaffold]

ngl admiral fans have vanished after this flashback

Xebec killing one killed the fanbase

[steel stirrup]

Where tf you be going

[ornate tartan]

you’re like one of the rare chill fans of the admirals😂

[pine scaffold]

the powercreep also played a role into it

[leaden rivet]

Kizaru getting one tapped was what made them mostly quiet

[pine scaffold]

with the holy knights/gorosei only weakness being acoc

[leaden rivet]

They were very loud during the fight

[pine scaffold]

and none of the admirals have acoc

[grand flower]

Lolol

[proud pivot]

Sb talking about himself:

[tranquil blade]

Akainu might

[proud pivot]

Tanks

[pine scaffold]

might

[lofty fern]

You an admiral fan Sb?

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah weren't you a Kizaru fan Sb?

[proud pivot]

Akainu definitely has conquerors

[hasty sable]

Tbh I think that’s literally the only thing holding admirals back lol

[pine scaffold]

I STILL LOVE KIZARU

[tranquil blade]

Sb is a lot of things

[hard fulcrum]

I like most characters in One Piece tbh. There are a handful I hate (the one good thing BB did was kill Absalom) and some I think have more potential (Hancock's character is stunted by her love for Luffy).

Even the characters I hate for what they've done (Akainu, BB), I still love as characters.

[tranquil blade]

He says a lot of things too

[leaden rivet]

Akainu with Acoc taking 10 days to beat Kuzan who doesn’t even have it is kinda funny

[pine scaffold]

Kizaru is still my fav admiral

[steel stirrup]

If he was fairer skinned moving like this all I would hear is how smart of a villain and how interesting of a character he is

[urban lodge]

It's easy to forget because of how fast he moves on to different characters

[proud pivot]

Kuzan has it too

[leaden rivet]

He does not

[lofty fern]

I guess somebody had to take Kizaru

[proud pivot]

He does

[hasty sable]

Since when does Akainu have it did I miss something

[grand flower]

Hancock’s character is fleshed out by her love for Luffy tbvh

[tranquil blade]

Look he awakened it on the 10th day and immediately won clearly

[leaden rivet]

Do you have evidence to support that claim

Arisu

[grand flower]

Hancock as a character is very true to a lot of women’s experiences

[proud pivot]

It was revealed to me in a dream

[wraith mantle]

https://youtu.be/elq7TLryvjo

[cold steppe]

Kizaru was gonna solo kaido and big mom
Don't put him with magma brat and popsicle

[barren token]

Why do you like kids?

[leaden rivet]

Hancock’s treatment of Luffy is genuinely really annoying

[steel stirrup]

The shorter list would be who I don't like

[hasty sable]

LOL

[leaden rivet]

Whenever she’s around Luffy it’s very obnoxious

[tranquil blade]

Dude cmon sb

[wraith mantle]

how can you have two of the most based favs and then follow them up with some of the worst characters of all time

[tranquil blade]

Cunk look at what you did

[steel stirrup]

Wtf kinda question

[hasty sable]

Stop bullying him now lol

[proud pivot]

Cunk being real to his bio

[steel stirrup]

Cunk that was Hella weird bro wtf

[barren token]

Can't say shit in this channel

[wraith mantle]

ex staff behavior

[glass plume]

i love your pfp Cunk

[hard fulcrum]

Eh, she sees Luffy as 'the exception' and so never really evolves her perspective. She remains the same. Her love for Luffy could have been a cool gateway to revising her view of men, the world, and her place in it. Now she focuses on him more than her people and the gag's gotten worn out the more Oda's used it elsewhere (so much lovesickness even in this recent flashback).

[glass plume]

it's such a stark contrast to what you say

[ornate tartan]

I like Shanks Whitebeard Dragon Xebec Roger Garp Kuzan the most from the top tiers, Kizaru is cool too

Luffy automatically like him he’s the MC I don’t count him in lists like these

[formal wagon]

love my pfp

[steel stirrup]

Only characters I don't like are Absalom, Hogback, and Who's Who

[glass plume]

i do, it's a very cool Bakugan

[steel stirrup]

Everyone else I fw

[proud pivot]

Cool

[lofty fern]

So you like Sommers, Garling, and Saturn?

[formal wagon]

[grand flower]

Hancock doesnt need to do any of that. Pretty much every woman you meet will be able to tell you a story of abuse or assault that started with a man they trusted

Hancock’s trauma causing her to be so guarded against men is completely valid. It’s how a lot of women have to keep themselves safe, and that’s explicitly what Oda is drawing from. Her attitude and treatment of men is to ensure she and her people never get taken advantage of again

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/digimon-digimon-tamers-anime-opening-intro-gif-13679632126744053284

[wraith mantle]

i forgot its break week

[proud pivot]

Not cool

[wraith mantle]

this shit about to be so ass

[ornate tartan]

the only Admiral I really straight up hate is Greenbull😂, I think being a fan of all of the others makes sense but him, other then if u think he has a cool devil fruit

[proud pivot]

Pack it up buddy

[steel stirrup]

They frauds

[grand flower]

We’re explicitly told Hancock acts how she acts and treats men how she treats them to make sure they’re never victimized again in the bath scene

[steel stirrup]

But I still enjoy seeing them on page

[formal wagon]

YAY BREAK WEEK

[leaden rivet]

I don’t really hate any admirals but I am expressly indifferent to most

[hasty sable]

Tbh Aramaki has grown on me

[leaden rivet]

I do think I like Kuzan tho

[barren token]

I'm a greenbull fan because it's funny how pathetic he is

[formal wagon]

mirror

[proud pivot]

This is the only Shanks art with aura btw

[glass plume]

tf

[grand flower]

Also I don’t think the “her view on men needs to evolve” would even be valid if it’s true because she trusts Rayleigh

[steel stirrup]

I like this series period tho

Only characters I dont like are the overly racist or predatory characters

[grand flower]

She also permitted Laws crew to stay on the island

[tranquil blade]

It's Oda's art

[urban lodge]

I like Akainu and Kizaru and I'm indifferent to the others

[glass plume]

it is?

[ornate tartan]

dude is an admiral talking about “you have no human rights”😂

I promise even Akainu would never say this

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[cold steppe]

Them drugs

[hasty sable]

Kuzan is probably my the best admiral. Though I don’t like how he had to lose to Sakazuki before he went against the system. And if he turns out to be Sword I will hate him again.

[barren token]

[grand flower]

Hancock HAS shown nuance in her treatment of men

[leaden rivet]

I would really like for Hancock to stop dickriding Luffy at one point

[latent hamlet]

he'd just kill em

[leaden rivet]

It’s why I’m so vehemently against them being together

[wraith mantle]

kizaru and kuzan are the only admirals I am excited to see onscreen

[glass plume]

why didn't he do it with Sir. Crocodile instead smh

[hasty sable]

Kizaru became interesting in Egghead

[leaden rivet]

Hancock’s character just feels like she gets extremely reduced once Luffy is around. Which is sad because he’s what made her such a great character to begin with.

[tranquil blade]

because he likes Shanks more than anyone but Luffy

[steel stirrup]

I was interested in bro since SA

[wraith mantle]

i wonder what he will do in the future

[glass plume]

he probably likes Shanks more than Luffy

[leaden rivet]

Oda has a tendency to take a gag and just over do it so hard

[hasty sable]

I appreciate how Kizaru didn’t redeem himself

[tranquil blade]

He might actually

[hard fulcrum]

It still stunts her as a character. It makes her one-note and irritating. There are other abused women in the story and many of them get much fuller character arcs.

Hancock is one of the most powerful women in the story yet remains static and now revolves around a gag that's not even unique to her. I'd love to see her evolve because she has potential. She doesn't need to be more trusting of every man but it'd be nice to see her at least attempt to be more proactive for reasons other than 'Luffy'.

[hasty sable]

I dislike that he apparently gave food to Luffy

I don’t like that detail

[steel stirrup]

Kizaru doing the Nika dance makes me think its still a chance for him

[leaden rivet]

I agree 100%

[steel stirrup]

Akainu is fucked off

[hasty sable]

Kizaru will probably come around in the end though I’d prefer if he didn’t

[steel stirrup]

He is cooked

[ornate tartan]

Eustass Kid is underrated as a character

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-air-kiss-dance-anime-vocaloid-gif-6604312283853367875

[wraith mantle]

i kinda liked that detail, really emphasized his internal conflict

similar to garp in marineford

[grand flower]

You can’t say shes one note when she treats Rayleigh with daughterly affection and she treated laws crew with less hostility than strange men

[hasty sable]

I like that Kizaru did the Nika dance then turned around and betrayed his friends. That made him compelling to me.

[leaden rivet]

Luffy helped her grow and change as a character. He doesnt need to be her motivation for everything else in her life. I’ll be so disappointed if she joins the grand fleet or follows Luffy around.

[grand flower]

How you’re describing Hancock isn’t even true to the content

[steel stirrup]

Nah Oda cooking with that Unclear Justice

[wraith mantle]

is that his justice? really suits him ig

[steel stirrup]

This just my headcanon but I think Kizaru knew about the broadcast

[hard fulcrum]

She treated Law's crew with open hostility and insulted Bepo particularly harshly. She put up with Rayleigh for Luffy's sake. It's just all for Luffy.

[hasty sable]

Kizaru being able to feed Luffy and then shooting Vegapunk dead. Like dude you’re such a loser lol.

[proud pivot]

Yk he’s the one who fed luffy food when luffy was out of gear 5 while Saturn was next to him, he secretly wanted nika to save him

[hasty sable]

Yeah I hate that

Glad it’s in an SBS so I can ignore it

[tranquil blade]

Well I think that's the point

[steel stirrup]

Yea its Unclear Justice i believe

[proud pivot]

He had to do his job man

[leaden rivet]

Eh the Rayleigh thing definitely isn’t true

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/Leleo2211/status/1986777261417394418?s=20
Valid slander?

Leo | Sengoatku No. 1 (@Leleo2211)

3 Generations of bums
1. Gloriosa - Entire character became "Roger love me", did literally nothing on God Valley
2. Shakky - Entire character "I love Ray", turned into a damsel in distress
3. Boa - Likes little boys, entire character about Luffy, another damsel in distress

X · Nov 7, 2025, 12:46 PM

[leaden rivet]

Rayleigh is her friend

[hasty sable]

Just following orders

[urban lodge]

Yeah Kizaru is a coward and that's the point

[tranquil blade]

He's supposed to be a little pathetic in his indecisiveness

[proud pivot]

He’s the highest rank, which is an admiral the least he can do is follow orders with no exceptions

[wraith mantle]

like little boys is crazy work

[hasty sable]

I’m glad he’s a coward I just don’t like that he fed Luffy

[leaden rivet]

Hancock one isn’t valid

[steel stirrup]

Yea Kizaru is "Unclear Justice"

[leaden rivet]

Shakky and especially gloriosa is valid

Gloriosa is like the lamest member of the rocks pirates

[hasty sable]

Oda is not afraid to call Kizaru a coward. Wish he could muster the same honesty for Garp ngl lol.

[wraith mantle]

I see, I wonder if the events in egghead will make him recosndier being a marine

kizaru for cross guild?

[steel stirrup]

Boa is overpowered

[glass plume]

Kizaru is a cog, he'll probably remain a cog

[tranquil blade]

I think the idea is he wanted Luffy to be up so he'd have a reasonable excuse as to why he didnt kill Vegapunk, but it just didnt work out and he ended up killing VP anyways

[urban lodge]

Insane that Gloriosa is the closest person there to Shakky and Oda didn't allow her to do a single thing

[potent pier]

Her relationship with Reyleigh is utterly suspect

It's like father and daughter

[leaden rivet]

He allowed her to simp. Thats what women are good for according to him.

[wraith mantle]

gloriosa still thinks this is goon valley

[hard fulcrum]

Glory took her and her sisters to Shakky's bar after they were freed as slaves, so I imagine Ray is very much 'Shakky's' and therefore somewhat safe. Post-Marineford though, she was very, very much all about Luffy, even when dealing with Ray getting close.

[potent pier]

(Yeah I know the boa sisters stayed for 2 years with them)

[steel stirrup]

Oda knows theres no winning

Mfs always gon have some negative shit to say tho

[wraith mantle]

surely the events of egghead will leave an impact on him

[urban lodge]

Nah he's never switching sides

[glass plume]

they will, but probably not to such a radical extent as him leaving the Marines

[potent pier]

Agenda piece slander is deadass funny

[grand flower]

You said you wanted barrier in how she treated men. I show you that and now you’re pivoting back to “her character is very central to Luffy.” And that’s not an issue

[hasty sable]

I want Borsalino to go down with the ship

[urban lodge]

Egghead is all the proof we need that nothing will make him change sides

[hasty sable]

I don’t think he can come back from killing Vegapunk

[dense haven]

oda hates gloriosa there is no other explanation

[steel stirrup]

He handled Gloriosa poorly but if he had of gave her too much of a spotlight mfs would still complian

[grand flower]

In the entirety of the attack on Amazon Lily, Hancock doesn’t mention Luffy once

[tranquil blade]

Yeah this is probably one of Oda's weakest moments in terms of writing women in the series, but I hope it is not something that lasts after this

[hasty sable]

And he shouldn’t be forgiven either

[hard fulcrum]

I said I wanted evolution, yeah. That isn't an evolution. That's status quo from before the present, since she met Ray and Shakky as a kid.

[wraith mantle]

ngl what would you guys have gloriosa do?

[steel stirrup]

No matter how he handled her mfs would have complained

[wraith mantle]

shes not really THAT important, maybe a few fighting panels

[ashen perch]

fight?????

[brittle basin]

say "man, fuck Roger"

[wraith mantle]

true

[dense haven]

she dodged a bullet with roger btw

[steel stirrup]

Simping just isn't ever justified idc

[ashen perch]

I would have liked her to see be in the front of the Shakky saving race, only beaten by Rayleigh

[leaden rivet]

Literally anything more than simp for Roger. Maybe accompany Rayleigh in saving Shakky. Something

[brittle basin]

nonono, it's OK when I do it.

[hard fulcrum]

We've seen more of it as the series has worn on (like with Hiyori). Though most of the time it's not as bad as the early part of God Valley.

[steel stirrup]

If its Faith I'd simp for her

Anyone else no

[grand flower]

That is her character having evolution because Oda gradually revealed different attitudes toward different men

It’s literally adding nuance to her character by making interactions that are different depending on their context

Also what you’re demanding of Hancock is kinda strange

[brittle basin]

she's still incredible

[grand flower]

Because Oda writes pretty much all of his characters like this

[wraith mantle]

i think this should be a major wakeup for him, resign from the marines but not necessarily join the good guys faction, just disappear

[potent pier]

Well we have to remember what her first experience dealing with members of the opposite sex was (it was horrific)

[proud pivot]

Gloriosa should've simped for me instead of Roger

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/brooker2x-always-forever-seriously-till-this-day-gif-3387991568435328144

[wraith mantle]

staying in the marines afterwards feels strange

[leaden rivet]

Stussy’s only thing was also simping for Whitebeard it’s a bit sad

[grand flower]

The characters rarely change, OP is moreso a story about already complete people and us experiencing different sides to them depending on the situation the narrative has placed them in

[potent pier]

Like we all know what the fuck the celestial dragons did with those poor girls

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/love-i-love-you-you-and-me-heart-gif-17712615

[tranquil blade]

I dont like how Gloriosa and Stussy serve the exact same purpose but just for two different characters, which is just a waste for two members of the Rocks pirates, especially 2 that are still alive and could matter, they literally act almost identically but one simps for Roger and the other Whitebeard

[leaden rivet]

At least he didn’t make big mom simp for rocks I think I would’ve lost my mind

[dense haven]

I liked gloriosa shit talking bm to her face tho that was funny as hell

[steel stirrup]

I was hoping to see Gloriosa fight or something lmaoo

[grand flower]

Mmhmm Hancock is a really profound character

[steel stirrup]

I wanted to see Gil fight too but he didnt even get a single line of dialog

Bunch of bullshit

[pine scaffold]

🤨

[urban lodge]

At least he had a cool fruit

[steel stirrup]

Yea the Wanted reference was nice

[dense haven]

would it be fine if she simped for shakky instead

[wraith mantle]

i dont mind not seeing her fight, oda clearly doesn't care about fights in this flashback
but yeah as others said, maybe show her involved in the race to save shakky, in a more prominent way

[proud pivot]

Hello SB

[steel stirrup]

I would've rather seen bro at least have a word to speak tho

[potent pier]

I still wonder how Tritoma would be written

[pine scaffold]

Hello ARISU

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-jump-rope-gif-5182946

[leaden rivet]

It would revive my big mom lesbian agenda but no it wouldn’t be fine at all

[ornate tartan]

if we even get her she might be different

[brittle basin]

she would be written as a clutz and Luffy's mom

[hard fulcrum]

That's not an evolution. Nothing changed. You could argue that it's developing the audience's understanding of her perhaps but, yeah, I'd like one of the most powerful female characters in the series to actually evolve and be proactive.

And characters change a lot in One Piece, though it usually takes a while. Some change in a saga (like the natives al la Conis, Wyper etc.) but others get much longer arcs, like Zoro going from "Get in my way or I'll kill you" to begging Mihawk to train him to protect his captain.

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/god-valley-one-piece-kaido-dragon-fire-gif-16465024412071126193

[steel stirrup]

She was crying Hella hard when Shakky got kidnapped just to not try at all to save her lmaooo

[tranquil blade]

It'd be more progressive but off of principle of not liking the way Shakky was used I'd say no

[wraith mantle]

she bipolar its ok

[stone terrace]

We're 3/3 on amazon lily empresses being defined by the person they love

Why not go 4/4

[potent pier]

One thing she was noted to be was that she was quite nice

[stone terrace]

Go get her dragon

[leaden rivet]

Actually it’s pretty much confirmed it’s 4/4 since she literally fucking died by being love sick lol

[ashen perch]

Most characters in GV did nothing, its really because Oda wasnt willing to commit to showing the incident in full but he still wanted us to feel the scale of things here so he included a ton of characters. He went through the main bits and moved on.

[wraith mantle]

one piece is political and oda is making a statement here

[steel stirrup]

Oda is NOT passing the bechdel test in this lifetime

[hard fulcrum]

If Tritoma died of lovesickness, I bet it'd be for her kid and not her lover. So she's 'different'. Not meaningfully, and still dead though xD

[ashen perch]

well Gloriosa doesnt care about Roger anymore, she moved on

Boa will too

[brittle basin]

all I needed baby

now back to Harald and Loki

[lofty fern]

Only because of a severe case of death lol

[wraith mantle]

i understand gloriosa and stussy not having major bits

but gunko?

that was so weird

[ashen perch]

Gunko has her own flashback coming lol, its fine

[steel stirrup]

Some artist try to pass the Bechdel test

Meanwhile Oda made an entire island of women

And then still made them defined by their relationships with men lmaoo

[blazing mantle]

In 23 chapters

I can feel it

[steel stirrup]

Ts gon be so BORING

[lofty fern]

Seeing Gloriosa not do anything the entire battle until Roger's men came back so she could sneak on their ship without Roger noticing, was kinda sad.

[steel stirrup]

No hype moments?

No clashes?

No aura?

This flashback is TRASH

[ashen perch]

will clear GV

[ornate tartan]

some ppl in here waiting to see gunko get cooked😂
an eye for an eye

[potent pier]

Toei has to probably fill in the blanks

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think that’s how it works stranger

[wraith mantle]

a rocks mention will save that flashback

[dense haven]

that's not true or else she wouldn't be a hag today

[steel stirrup]

Knowing damn Toei is gonna spend the budget on GV and Gunko is gonna be left with crumbs

[lofty fern]

No time anymore. we're cutting down episodes

[ashen perch]

no its because she is 80 years old

[wraith mantle]

so is shakky

[ashen perch]

no she isnt

[lofty fern]

Stussy and Gloriosa show what happens when you don't get your man

[brittle basin]

shakky is 60 but she does look good

[steel stirrup]

Shakky is in her 60s

[ashen perch]

Shakky is in her early 60s

[ornate tartan]

so we gonna see Yasopp blow up Barto ship in the anime next month?😂

[leaden rivet]

We know you turn decrepit when you don’t achieve your dreams, was gloriosa’s dream her entire life really just trying to get dick from Roger? That would be so silly

[dense haven]

do you think 80 nami is gonna look like gloriosa

[ashen perch]

yes

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-spongebob-meme-how-do-we-tell-him-meme-gif-13177818016079495827

[cold steppe]

Lassop

[wet condor]

Probably not exactly. I think by the time a woman is in her 80s, Oda will start to put some age in her face lol

[potent pier]

To me, Amazon Lily is mysterious. Like what would be the median age of all the Junipers on the island

[grand flower]

Developing the audience’s understanding of a character is the character evolving

What we think of as the character expands when Oda shows us a new situation, and shows us a new side to them. It doesn’t matter if this side is something that was in them already ans we’re just seeing it now, or if the situation causes that side to develop in real time

Both are valid ways of developing characters because the end goal you’re trying to achieve is the same regardless of which method a writer chooses to do it with: you’re making the character feel like a fully realized person to the audience, and you’re keeping the character interesting and engaging by giving the audience something that feels new to them

[hard fulcrum]

I expect it'll be different-ish. After all, we were told lovesickness was invariably fatal but Glory, Shakky, and Hancock all lived despite different approaches to dealing with it. Tritoma dying from it makes me think there's something else.

[steel stirrup]

You must not know Oda

[ashen perch]

??? based on what lol

[steel stirrup]

Because that was absolutely her life's goal

[lofty fern]

Gloriosa is really 20 years older than Shakky?

[cold steppe]

He knew he would've lost if he fought barto right there

[steel stirrup]

That and nothing else

[leaden rivet]

What?

[grand flower]

Seeing new attitudes and behaviors from Hancock that we didn’t know she had before is just as good as Oda writing a scenario that gives her a new attitude and behaviors

[leaden rivet]

I don’t understand what you’re asking of me

[grand flower]

The end result is the exact same

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think her age was ever stated

[potent pier]

If it really was dragon, I just wonder what his reaction would be

[grand flower]

We have more understanding of who she is

[ashen perch]

"we know you turn decrepit when you dont achieve your dreams"

[leaden rivet]

Isn’t that the entire point of the good future bad future art?

[steel stirrup]

I thought this was common knowledge

[leaden rivet]

When you fail your dreams the strawhats look visibly worse and decrepit

[ornate tartan]

everyone on the strawhats is gonna end up achieving their dream

[leaden rivet]

But when they achieve it they look good for their age

[ashen perch]

15, I think Gloriosa is like 79 right?

[steel stirrup]

Maybe I just assumed

[grand flower]

Gloriosa talks in the flashback about how she’s tired of keeping up with beauty regimens

Gloriosa looks the way she does when she’s old by Choice lmao

[ashen perch]

yeah I remember that lol

[grand flower]

Yall never heard Pretty Hurts by Beyoncé

Uncultured swine

[leaden rivet]

In ex

[steel stirrup]

Okay Shuron you know ball fr

[cold steppe]

So roger was mentally nerfed in god valley

[grand flower]

That’s cause I talk to women irl

So I see when Oda’s writing reflects their experiences lol

[cold steppe]

Because he failed to conqueror the grand line

[ashen perch]

that SBS artwork is meant to be silly and exaggerated, you really dont gotta take it so seriously

[leaden rivet]

Are you speaking to me Arsal

[ashen perch]

yes

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know I think it’s meant to mean something. Especially since oda said that luffy crushing peoples dreams are worse than him killing them

[hard fulcrum]

Alright then, I'll rephrase: Hancock does not feel like a fully realised character. She feels like a living gag with a sympathetic past. Her actions in the present are driven by her simping over Luffy, who continually refuses her. Even her 'clone' perpetuates that gag, despite lacking the past to justify it because, well, that's all Hancock is now. She could be more. She has cool potential but it goes to waste.

[ashen perch]

entirely unrelated things

[dense haven]

how old is bm

[lofty fern]

14 it seems, She's 78

[ashen perch]

ah

[ornate tartan]

68

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think so. Your dreams are tied to your livelihood.

I don’t think it’s something that can just be dismissed

[steel stirrup]

If the difference between Big Mom and Shakky who are around the same age doesnt make you believe idk what will

[potent pier]

So yeah I just think when we get to tritoma, her death scene would be tragic

[ashen perch]

BM is not ugly because of her failed dreams lol, her dreams literally hasnt even failed if thats what youre gonna say

[dense haven]

so bm is 8 years older than shakky but looks 30 years older

[ashen perch]

not relevant

[ornate tartan]

she’s only 4 years older😂

[steel stirrup]

So she just look like that for what reason

[potent pier]

Like holy fuck, they really die from a broken heart?

[leaden rivet]

I wasn’t going to say that

[ornate tartan]

Shakky is 64 Linlin is 68

[steel stirrup]

Holy shit

Nah Arsal trippin fr

WTF

Only 4 years older

[cold steppe]

Big mom looked pretty active for her dream

[lofty fern]

She's ugly because she didn't find love. She had tons of husbands but no love 😔

[steel stirrup]

And they look THAT different

[ashen perch]

BM has not suffered any heartbreak, she has not had her dreams crushed, atleast not prior to looking like that

[cold steppe]

Kaido didn't tho

[potent pier]

For me, it has to be some kind of monkey's paw situation

[ashen perch]

what is your point

[dense haven]

thsts even crazier

[steel stirrup]

Nah Arsal you dumb

[ashen perch]

Rich respectfully

[steel stirrup]

4 year difference

[ashen perch]

youre not even sure what the conversation is about

[steel stirrup]

no fucking way

[leaden rivet]

What big mom was missing this entire time was a man. I knew it.

[hard fulcrum]

If she is Luffy's mother, I suspect so. Although another dead mom? And a lovesick Kuja at that? Gonna be hard to distinguish her from a lot of what we've already seen.

[steel stirrup]

The difference between dreams achieved and dreams deferred in body type and aging shown

[dense haven]

anyway bm is definitely in her bad timeline

[grand flower]

Hancock 100% feels like a fully realized character becausw, again, her character captures exactly what it looks like for a lot of women who have been abused my men and had to develop rough exteriors to protect themselves and how that makes the space for softness something women especially desire from men

Even down to the way Hancock reclaims power over her body by turning the people who objectify her into statues - literally objectifying them - and how her love for Luffy forms because he’s the first man to treat her as a person and not an object of desire, capture women’s experiences like a camera

[lofty fern]

Not just a man, a man she loved. Key difference

[cold steppe]

I mean it's just oda designs

[potent pier]

Sure, You'll be strong warriors but you will be cock hungry when you find some man you like

[ashen perch]

this is about dreams having something to do with the way you age, BM simply just looks like that

[cold steppe]

Kid looks 50 it's not that deep

[grand flower]

I don’t think you can say a character that so accurately reflects their lived experiences of an entire demographic of people isn’t fully realized

[potent pier]

Yeah Gloriosa a would totally do that.

[steel stirrup]

4 years older and looks like that

Even if you are right

Nahhhh

Ts is wild

[grand flower]

Static doesnt mean not realized

[ashen perch]

Oda wants her to look like a Disney/Ghibli style witch, it has nothing to do with anything else

[ornate tartan]

Kureha at age 141 looks younger then BM

You could double BM age and she would still be younger then Kureha