also-manga

[grand flower]

yall miss something that happens every arc

[tiny oracle]

Garp was pretty flashy when he jumped into hachinosu

[tranquil blade]

Idk yami yami counters regen

[prisma idol]

Oda writes DF fights better than Haki fights

[tulip turtle]

His entire crew

[ruby moat]

Ur forgetting the goat

[tranquil blade]

or smth

[rose rune]

My main issue is that I wasn't interested in the fight even before we got to the fight.

[prisma idol]

He can get more creative

[trim lily]

they’re just more fun

[vernal ravine]

darkness

[grand flower]

Garp and Roger in this chapter are experiencing their Haki be ineffective against a DF power...but you miss the flavor DFs added to fights prior to Haki....

[frail cradle]

luffy vs katakuri was df fight

[glass plume]

i don't know really, just something to seperate them from the other haki focused fighters
but i guess it's fitting that Garp fights like Luffy without a fruit and Roger fights like Shanks and vice versa, maybe i had too high expectations for their individual moves

[ashen perch]

Garp's thing is hitting hard and hitting relentlessly, Roger uses his sword which is quite limited

[dense rapids]

Ngl I could care less about the fights I’m more interested in the lore

[brittle basin]

yeah the very nature of them also necessitates that they are fun

[frail cradle]

story needs to end

[glass plume]

i didn't think that the sword fighters would be this limited tho

i thought that they'd do more weeb attacks if you know what i mean

[leaden rivet]

Every time I see them fight it makes me curious

[azure wasp]

Both rocks and roger are swordsman, what else can they do

[frail cradle]

Roger was WSS confirmed

[leaden rivet]

So what did oda mean by “how does shanks really fight” was it just Acoc

[stone tulip]

That actually would be pretty interesting if that’s the case plus Oda did mention that Tot Musica aren’t the only demon king in one piece world so that matches up

[dense rapids]

Exactly, we will see fights in final war

[trim lily]

it’s so tragic knowing the two strongest people had the least whimsy in how they fought

[frigid gulch]

Luffy vs Kaido is kinda peak for that even though it still focused on haki quite a bit

Shuron Hakke was cool

[leaden rivet]

Ah I should probably read the chapter

[grand flower]

His fighting style. Zoro says the same thing about Kinemon's foxfire style. "I wanna see how samurai fights."

Oda's comment was about how we haven't seen the way Shanks uses his sword yet

[glass plume]

i don't think that's wrong, lol
devil fruits add a flavor to the fights which i enjoy a lot, that being said i don't think that the haki focused fights are bad at all, i just said something that i personally would've liked

[ashen perch]

I think this fight isnt necessarily limited by Oda's creativity though, there's fun action here

[grand flower]

I mean, again, my comment is more about missing something you still get

[dense rapids]

Anime will make it godly so idk why people complaining

[tiny oracle]

Ít could have been

[glass plume]

that's my point really, i thought they'd be a bit more creative with their sword attacks

[leaden rivet]

Yeah but what is his fighting style?

[azure wasp]

Correct

[glass plume]

yeah the haki being key for the fight, i understand that

[grand flower]

That's what we didnd't know yet

[frigid gulch]

We got a glimpse of it against Kid

[wraith mantle]

I assume the holyknights regen is DF related

[ashen perch]

it is limited only by Oda's decision to wrap it up in one chapter, if he wanted to do more I am sure it would be a lot better

[runic dock]

Love Oda for this tho

[tiny oracle]

It could have been worse. Imagine if Roger n Garp just clashed evenly with Rocks and then he was beaten offscreen

[wraith mantle]

and bb's DF counters DFs

[frigid gulch]

Haki sword

[prisma idol]

I just prefer the fights where Oda gets more goofy, Like Kaido vs Luffy before G5 with Kaido's drunk forms

[leaden rivet]

I thought rocks may be more creative with like the haki cannon ball sword attacks but nope it’s just the regular degular stuff

[brittle basin]

Oda wraps up the entirety of the flashback in two chapters

[azure wasp]

Everyone besides zoro is going to be more generic

[prisma idol]

And G5 luffy is fun too

[grand flower]

huh?

[trim lily]

giving gil bastar the negative fruit is so random but it’s fun so i’ll take it

[glass plume]

?

[dense rapids]

Doubt it, this flashbacking continues into 2026

[wraith mantle]

loki niggas will lose their mind

[prisma idol]

Doesn't it fit in line with his One shot too?

[grand flower]

mmhmm luffy says it about loki too despite seeing loki with a big ass hammer prior to that

[grand flower]

I don't understand what you mean

[ashen perch]

this goes back to something he said back in like Dressrosa I believe, that he really only has the opportunity to focus on a fight for a single chapter usually now

[glass plume]

Mihawk and Zoro will probably stand out, due to them both being the peak of swordsmanship

[leaden rivet]

My fears that Whitebeard really abandoned rocks due to a misunderstanding are being more and more certain

[runic dock]

I also totally forgot he was the silhouette in the rocks lineup and also the thriller bark zombie

[leaden rivet]

They really hated this man rocks because they’re stupid

[glass plume]

i thought you meant that i missed the reason for why haki was in the fight?

[hollow meadow]

Polo G was unscathed In god valley. Polo > Marco

[grand flower]

nah i mean the flavor DFs add to fights. That never went away

[runic dock]

also that he’s gay

[trim lily]

well

[grand flower]

mmhmm i think it'd be good cause the fandom's been sleeping on obs fr

[stone tulip]

Either that or fights that doesn’t have either of them like the Usopp, Franky, and Nami fights, or any pre time skip fights especially during Arabasta saga.

But then again this is what I find unique about One piece cause the story doesn’t stick with just one power system only and allows other characters to have their own fighting styles unique to each other and this applies to straw hats the most.

[azure wasp]

Mihawk will stand out because he's zoro biggest opponent.

Also roger and rocks only got few pages, zoro too look generic if we only takes few pages

[wraith mantle]

the fight was disappointing

[leaden rivet]

Eh I’ve abandoned that a while ago

[glass plume]

of course, but i kinda miss that flavor when it comes to haki fights
but that's just my personal preference

[wraith mantle]

so rocks was just another boring hakiman

[grand flower]

What pure Haki fights have we gotten fr?

[runic dock]

In this chapter he more or less runs off with his first male number 1 fan after avoiding a bunch of hot women , shakky doesn’t count because even the gay would fall for shakky

[rose rune]

Vohhh!!

[brittle basin]

"VoooOOOOoooh" - elderly duck Rocks

[leaden rivet]

Luckily not many haki men left they all got fruits and stuff

[grand flower]

I don't think we've ever seen a fight that was purely Haki being used

[dense rapids]

I wonder what Vo means

His laugh is also Vohaha

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-17874722033656994956

[brittle basin]

"Garp, what is we combined our haki like a megazord?" - Roger

[wraith mantle]

we will never forget you rocks

[runic dock]

Void century hahaha , he’s mocking the fact that he knows things

[rose rune]

It's his scooby sound

[grand flower]

Haki coated Haki

[stone tulip]

Plus I think it’s going to be more focused on Armament Haki a lot considering how Zoro was excelling at that in beginning of post time skip after training with Mihawk.

[wraith mantle]

may your will be carried forward in Loki

[brittle basin]

Wocks.

[runic dock]

“Holy shit that’s based” - garp

“Based on what?” - Roger

[glass plume]

it's not about that, i'm just saying my personal preference when it comes to the fights, which i prefer when devil fruits are involved and like i said i don't think that the haki centric fights are bad by any means, like this recent one was still good

[stone tulip]

Pretty sure all Haki types will play a role in final saga like Usopp is bound to unlock future sight against Van Augur

[brittle basin]

Zoomer Garp

[grand flower]

I'm trying to say that Haki-centric fights don't actually exist

[trim lily]

oh yeah i forgot he had a ghost as his companion in the one shot, thats a cute reference

[stone tulip]

I think Rocks vs Garp and Roger is closest to that

[brittle basin]

Goda.....

[glass plume]

yeah that's probably what will go down

[grand flower]

Rocks is transformed by a DF power rn

[glass plume]

i mean Rocks vs Roger and Garp was one

[grand flower]

He's using DF powers

No it's not lol

Rocks is a regenerating, flying demon rn

[trim lily]

well hes not really doing any demon stuff

[leaden rivet]

This place really is peak comedy

[trim lily]

for all intents and purposes hes just bigger and hitting harder

[glass plume]

and he still just slashes his sword

[brittle basin]

we still don't for sure know if what Imu uses is a DF. it's 50/50

[grand flower]

He's flying, using his enhanced strength, and he's regenerating

what are we talking about

[trim lily]

all the knights can regen

[glass plume]

i don't think that Xebec is affected by a devil fruit, I think it's black magic

[trim lily]

its not a unique thing now

[stone tulip]

Plus there is implication that Armament has something to do with black blade so there is that

[brittle basin]

i love piratefolk

[glass plume]

definitely

[leaden rivet]

They’re a blast

[grand flower]

Which is irrelevant to my point that Haki fights don't exist

[wet condor]

They never stop

[glass plume]

Shuron please

[trim lily]

nevermind

[stone tulip]

That’s why I said the “closest” cause Rocks was under influence of Imu’s powers (which we aren’t even sure if it’s devil fruit yet)

[grand flower]

why do yall do this

[grand flower]

well it's not horseshoes

it's a fight where a DF power is the center of it

[trim lily]

i do not have the stamina to be able to debate with you

[leaden rivet]

Sometimes there’s no point in continuing a conversation that won’t go anywhere

[grand flower]

LOL

Yeah okay

[stone tulip]

If it wasn’t for Dragon Shanks would’ve never been a pirate and that means Luffy would never become pirate either

[grand flower]

You guys wanna insist that Rocks regenerating, the central conflict of this very chapter, doesn't matter

[tranquil blade]

Well Luffy may still become a pirate in some form but he'd definitely just die

[prisma idol]

He flew?

[grand flower]

But i'm the one that's exhausting

sure thing

[grand flower]

dw about it

[prisma idol]

Nah bro, you just made something up

😭

[tranquil blade]

I thought he flew over to Roger and Garp last chapter

[drowsy flame]

Was Roger tearing up before attacking rocks with the final attack? Hard to interpret

[stone tulip]

Sure but it’s more indirect thing cause Rocks isn’t devil fruit user himself but rather under influence of a devil fruit power (assuming if it is a devil fruit power)

[grand flower]

idc

yall got it

this is a haki fight

[warm cradle]

Seems to be

[glass plume]

looked like he did yeah

[trim lily]

we win

[glass plume]

Roger sympathized with Xebec's regret

[leaden rivet]

Yayyy

[urban lodge]

That was weird

[leaden rivet]

We’ve defeated Shuron

[glass plume]

which is VERY interesting

[prisma idol]

Also No Rocks being Domi Reversi'd does not mean this fight has a DF

[stone tulip]

I was just saying that’s all

[urban lodge]

They seemed to hate each other

[glass plume]

i wonder if Roger has someone who he failed to protect

[frigid gulch]

Where was Rocks regenerating ?

[urban lodge]

Oda REALLY wants us to sympathize with Rocks huh

[stone tulip]

Not just Roger but Garp too

[prisma idol]

He does yes

[leaden rivet]

Penny…it’s over. Your fight is over. You can rest now.

[urban lodge]

Finally

[warm cradle]

Sengoku pushing propaganda goes hard

[tranquil blade]

Bawling his eyes out the entire chapter

[stone tulip]

Also I think I am in minority for saying this but I actually enjoyed Roger and Garp vs Rocks fight

[glass plume]

both did yeah

[frigid gulch]

Penny has been liberated

[brittle basin]

yep he's tearing up

[prisma idol]

FINALLY WE ARE BACK TO LOKI AND HIS FLASHBACK

[glass plume]

i enjoyed it a lot for sure

[frigid gulch]

Until Harald mentions Rocks again..

[glass plume]

i loved the dialogue between Garp and Roger

[trim lily]

the rocks curse has finally been lifted

[frigid gulch]

[prisma idol]

The thing I've wanted since the beginning of Elbaf

[steel stirrup]

Even Roger felt bad for bro

Seemed like everyone liked bro

[glass plume]

but still, the stand out of this chapter was definitely Dragon's moment

[brittle basin]

can't wait to collect all the God Valley volume

[trim lily]

i assume we'll get a bit more of a god valley epilogue then return to harald's pov

[stone tulip]

Yeah and Garp deadass said he understands Rocks frustration which is huge deal to me

[tranquil blade]

Xebec had a sad end but it's not one that makes him look pathetic

[stone terrace]

Roger didnt even hate rocks like that

[glass plume]

Dragon standing up for the slaves, even going so far as to threaten other marines was insanely noble of him

[warm cradle]

Meanwhile crew forgot about him after one hit 😭

[wet condor]

Yeah

[leaden rivet]

Roger doesn’t really seem to hate any of his rivals

[hasty sable]

Roger cried for Xebec

[steel stirrup]

Wym forgot

They didnt forget they left

[brittle basin]

that's some far reaching haki of all three combined

[grand flower]

this was a good chapter

[leaden rivet]

But fuck squards crew in particular tho

[prisma idol]

Roger is like Luffy

[stone tulip]

Yeah like Oda actually cooked the fight scenes and even how it ended

[wet condor]

I really thought Rocks and Roger had a blood feud going on or something

[warm cradle]

Same thing

[glass plume]

both were interesting

[trim lily]

rocks and roger were just rivals i guess

[prisma idol]

The only one I would say Luffy hates is BB

[stone tulip]

Yeah like it surpassed my expectations ngl

[formal wagon]

garp

[prisma idol]

But that's a different circumstance

[wet condor]

I love really intense arch rivalvries like that but we didn't get it

[wraith mantle]

ig we are going from Rocks' greatness to loki and harald's story

if we went from rocks greatness to strawhats midness i would drop one piece

[trim lily]

probably akainu too

[formal wagon]

rocks and roger were just lovers i guess

[steel stirrup]

Were they even rivals atp

I thought they fought a year before GV but that turned out to not be true

[grand flower]

i don't think it's over

[prisma idol]

Same circumstances

[hasty sable]

I think he hates all of them tbh

[frigid gulch]

But what about this panel

[trim lily]

thats roger and garp

[formal wagon]

💀 circumstances

[trim lily]

get it right

[steel stirrup]

Ngl they're not giving "rival" energy

[wet condor]

Sengoku made it sound like they were arch rivals

[prisma idol]

TRUEEEE

[stone tulip]

Yeah I get that, just found Garp reaction to be far more interesting considering his position in all of this

[hasty sable]

He definitely hates Crocodile, Doflamingo, Kaido, Lucci

[leaden rivet]

I think Sengoku called them rivals? Or adversaries

[tranquil blade]

Well his son is gonna do it

[formal wagon]

it = egghead
right= ends in december

[tranquil blade]

and we knew that

[leaden rivet]

We wasted too much time on Shakky to see their true rivalry

[wraith mantle]

he agreed to temporarily worked with lucci

[frigid gulch]

Imu did kinda humiliate him

Sadly

[glass plume]

this will live rent-free inside of my head for a looooooong time

[wraith mantle]

so ig luffy could work with bb

[formal wagon]

that = egghead ends in december

[urban lodge]

I mean Oda even portrayed it like that, which makes it even weirder

[hasty sable]

He’d do the same with Teach and Kaido imo

[drowsy flame]

I mean he just killed his dad, grandma, and attempted to kill his wife and son. How are yall trying yo make this out like being sympathetic is bad? I swear this community is something

[leaden rivet]

Why do people want this lol

[steel stirrup]

Sengoku said Rocks was Roger's first and maybe greatest rival

But again they seemed to not have even interacted very much outside of anything involving Shakky

[prisma idol]

Those arent rivals

[trim lily]

gloriosa's third ever panel in god valley

[formal wagon]

they should be friends

[frigid gulch]

But even then obviously Rocks knew he wasn’t ready

[prisma idol]

Rivals are Kidd and Law

[hasty sable]

Luffy hated Crocodile and he still worked with him

[ashen perch]

I think Roger did indeed not like Rocks, its just not being covered right now

[tranquil blade]

I knew this would happen too

[frigid gulch]

Imu just decided it was over

[formal wagon]

actually being friends with luffy would be a bad look for blackbeard

[wraith mantle]

kinda wild, i just don't think it is in luffy's character at all but oda knows best

[warm cradle]

Forgot she was present 😭

[formal wagon]

associating with nepo babies...

[leaden rivet]

Luffy just casually working with someone who got his brother killed and imprisoned his grandpa is just weird as hell

[stone tulip]

We will get one more chapter with the aftermath for sure like how Roger (along with Rayleigh and Gaban) and Garp got out of god valley, how it disappeared, what happened to holy knights, or even how Rocks actually died.

[hasty sable]

I think Roger disliked Rocks but he didn’t hate him. They were just rivals.

[tranquil blade]

She was just gonna tag along with whoever saved Shakky especially since it's the Roger pirates

[brittle basin]

two nepo babies being friends. ez. gg.

[trim lily]

man i thought gunko would play so much more of a role here

[hasty sable]

I do see it as more of a Luffy/Kid thing

[wet condor]

Fingers crossed we one day see it 🤞

[warm cradle]

In GV?

[wraith mantle]

Roger crying for rocks was a touching moment

[steel stirrup]

The "porcupine" line implies that they have met before but again

I dont see anything other than Sengoku's statement that 100% shows that they were actually rivals

[trim lily]

yeah

[ashen perch]

Roger showing some pity for Rocks is not really an indication that they were friendly or something, Roger is just softhearted

[tulip turtle]

Rocks big mistake was having a kid and a family after challenging the world

[urban lodge]

God valley was very underwhelming overall

[tulip turtle]

like who does that

[prisma idol]

Sorry didn't mean to reply arsal

[prisma idol]

Ch 1158

[leaden rivet]

Rocks ugly crying face made me not feel that bad for him

[hasty sable]

Oh yeah Roger even calls him porcupine like Luffy has a nickname for Kid lol

[warm cradle]

Yeah ig they dipped after imu dropped bt

[leaden rivet]

Though it was sad when Eris realized he lost

[steel stirrup]

Definitely wasnt the best decision

But shit happens

[hasty sable]

Rocks hasn’t done enough to make me think Roger hates him

[brittle basin]

i enjoyed god valley. you can see it has pacing issues, but i expected that going in and going forward as it's kind of Oda's M.O. now to get to the finish line of the series as a whole

[formal wagon]

if rocks was in mindcraft what rock would he be made of

[steel stirrup]

How does it feel to not have a heart

[stone tulip]

What are you even talking about? Not even once I was talking about how Rocks being sympathetic is bad and the comment you replied to was just me enjoying the fight scene 😭

[formal wagon]

or would he be mob

[steel stirrup]

Bedrock

[ashen perch]

yea, and then the following few pages really made me think they hated each other lol, but Oda decided to not show that in GV for some reason

[stone terrace]

Blew up a countries military for an insult btw

[brittle basin]

minecraft*

[wraith mantle]

went from wanting rocks to be evil to now wanting roger to hate rocks

yall never learn

[drowsy flame]

The chat was moving so fast I replied to the wrong person. My bad homie

[formal wagon]

you sound insane right now

[ashen perch]

deserved it

[prisma idol]

I never expected God Valley to be all that with fights

Got about as much as I expected

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-going-crazy-crazy-insane-gif-19258597

[hasty sable]

Yeah this just makes me think it’s a typical pirate rivalry and not a blood feud

[leaden rivet]

This is a cool panel of them also I like

[prisma idol]

As Oda never really does fights in Flashbacks

[formal wagon]

it=

[glass plume]

Blackbeard and Luffy definitely have a blood feud tho

[stone tulip]

Tbh the Gloriosa stuff is the only reason why I rank god valley as whole as 9/10 rather than 10/10 cause for someone who has important connection to Shakky she was disappointed sidelined during this portion

[leaden rivet]

Hey I did feel sad with Eris

[wet condor]

P one-sided lol

[formal wagon]

a friendly one

[grand flower]

I like that Roger and Garp want to undo the curse on Rocks, but are still fighting to finish him off

[steel stirrup]

Roger was rivals with every fucking one

[wraith mantle]

i am glad we got it, but i didnt enjoy it

[glass plume]

i don't think it's friendly

[hasty sable]

I even think they agree on a lot of things. Rocks is just way more anti-government than Roger.

[wraith mantle]

idk if that made sense

[glass plume]

Blackbeard was targeting Luffy before he found Ace

[formal wagon]

kind of a blud feud really

[ashen perch]

Oda is kinda silly

[wet condor]

The way BB gets to actin, I would not be surprised if he tries to dap up Luffy or something

[brittle basin]

So Oda didn't forget about him lol

[leaden rivet]

Roger is the one commonly known as rivalman

[ashen perch]

like you'd think this meant they would be facing for realsies in the coming chapters

[stone tulip]

Ah I see, cause I was confused for a second but don’t worry I actually do feel bad for Rocks ngl

[steel stirrup]

Rocks is crying because he may think his family is dead

[ashen perch]

but they just never fought while Rocks was normal

[glass plume]

i'd be pretty mad if Luffy agrees to it

[wraith mantle]

i hope toei cooks with god valley especially with the rainy part of the fight

[wet condor]

Like that's deadass something he would do

[leaden rivet]

Yes rich im not stupid

[prisma idol]

Oda did forget about the fishman

[formal wagon]

yeah lol

[grand flower]

Not really. I just took it as minor world building

[prisma idol]

I dont even remember his name

[olive sigil]

I accidentally clicked manga instead of also manga and was wondering who all those people were. Very scary situation

[wet condor]

I'm not trying to see them shake hands

[hasty sable]

Roger also seems more comically frustrated when Rocks does something lol

[steel stirrup]

Stupid? No

Heartless? Maybe

[hasty sable]

It isn’t a serious thing between them

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/workaholics-adam-devine-adam-demamp-a-little-racis-racist-gif-4261185

[prisma idol]

Not everybody is attached to rocks

I didn't feel much either

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-pirates-one-piece-god-valley-flag-pirate-flag-gif-18117803035050589656

[ashen perch]

in hindsight that is where I am leaning towards too, but back then I was sure it meant to setup their upcoming fight

[wraith mantle]

[steel stirrup]

So you have to like someone to experience empathy for them

Ok

[prisma idol]

For the most part yeah

[wraith mantle]

wild stuff

[hasty sable]

I think he’s crying because he spent his whole life fighting the government only to end up a puppet controlled by his enemy. That’s the source of his frustration.

[leaden rivet]

For a drawing yeah

[stone tulip]

Yeah they did want to undo the curse showcasing that all along there weren’t any genuine bad blood between the 3 of them and that made the fight even more tragic

[steel stirrup]

Holy shit the world is cooked

[grand flower]

that's how I felt very initially, but clicking to the next page and seeing that leading into Rocks vs Harald instead defused that

[hasty sable]

I don’t think it’s pathetic at all

[brittle basin]

I love Rocks. Thank you for creating Rocks, Oda.

[glass plume]

people are a bit too attached to these characters

[stone tulip]

Reminds me of Luffy having multiple rivals in a way

[hasty sable]

I miss Rocks

[brittle basin]

!bigtowel

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660200350749425688/1010028256487014490/unknown.png

[golden valley]

Rocks and Roger didn’t feel like rivals.

[hasty sable]

I think they did. Just not enemies.

[wet condor]

But it shows Oda is good at making people feel something

[ashen perch]

Glad we're past Rocks, into the land of happiness we goooooo

[leaden rivet]

Ok so this really just never happened for sure now

[wraith mantle]

that scene with roger and rocks in the bar the definition of rivals

[ornate tartan]

I liked Xebec this flashback

[glass plume]

yeah for sure, hatred, love, admiration and envy

[wet condor]

P sure

[urban lodge]

I'm so happy we can finally move on

[ashen perch]

wont be missed

[golden valley]

GV wont be missed

[steel stirrup]

You doing too much atp

[ornate tartan]

but it’s time for the plot to advance

[nimble atlas]

rage baiting

[hasty sable]

Now for Oda to confirm once and for all that Sanji isn’t a conquerer

[azure wasp]

Maybe that's WG talking

[leaden rivet]

God valley and rocks will not be missed at all

[glass plume]

i'll miss God Valley mostly for the coverage it gave to Dragon

[hasty sable]

The land of happiness

[leaden rivet]

Im fond of rocks but he overstayed his welcome

[prisma idol]

No I just dont care for rocks lmfao. Unlike most other emotional moments in this story, I never connected to the character or his supposed struggles. So I dont feel bad, especially since I know everything he wants is either still around or BB will complete in some way shape or form

[glass plume]

Dragon is the absolute spotlight of this flashback to me

and the latest chapter just hit a crescendo

[steel stirrup]

2/10 rage bait

[golden valley]

[nimble atlas]

ppl rage baiting xD

[hasty sable]

I want more Rocks

[ashen perch]

I gotta say, y'all clowned me for it but I am kinda feeling vindicated by my initial take on Oda doing GV here

[urban lodge]

When the author is trying too hard to make me like a character it never works

[trim lily]

me when someone disagrees something i believe in

[steel stirrup]

Thats nice sis

[golden valley]

Rocks needed more

[brittle basin]

I'm fond of Rocks and he stayed his welcome just fine.

[wraith mantle]

now we go back to the goat harald and the goat loki and the goatess ida

[hasty sable]

[brittle basin]

WIDA

[prisma idol]

I never wanted GV here

[golden valley]

If oda did it later, it mightve been better tbh

[leaden rivet]

Im already tired of the domi reversi ability but Imu is going to use it a hundred more times

[trim lily]

i still wouldve preferred god valley in a more blackbeard or garp connected flashback

[steel stirrup]

Nah idc about the disagreement

But all the extra "im glad he is dead" is just rage bait

[stone tulip]

Don’t forget Koby in all of this cause how he is connected to both Luffy and Blackbeard’s story and this strength the idea we may get a recreation of Rocks vs Garp and Roger but even more personal and hateful cause Blackbeard was directly responsible for Luffy and Koby’s suffering and losing their loved ones and how they indirectly helped each other on their journeys too.

[ashen perch]

thats what I had been saying

[prisma idol]

TRUEEEE

[hasty sable]

Glad we finally got it. It was kind of now or never.

[wraith mantle]

if imu uses domi reversi on zoro

[grand flower]

what's that?

[brittle basin]

BB will probably get his own flashback

[wraith mantle]

i will kneel to oda

[wet condor]

[ornate tartan]

dragon got some great characterization, hope my guy shanks is next

[hasty sable]

We’ll get a real Blackbeard flashback later

[wet condor]

I feel the same Illya

But it's here to stay

[glass plume]

Blackbeard Domi Reversed vs Koby and Luffy

[trim lily]

im actually pretty excited for whatever flashback shanks will have

[steel stirrup]

Final Villain so yah

[stone tulip]

Yeah I thought Oda would’ve off screened the whole thing so I am surprised that he didn’t do that

[brittle basin]

i assume the God Valley flashback is here because of how it related to Imu, Harald, and Loki

[golden valley]

Im genuinely just not hyped for “Roger/Rocks era” content anymore

[trim lily]

oda has made me really interested in him

[hasty sable]

Also getting Rocks out of the way now so we can set up Joyboy and Davy flashback

[golden valley]

Like idk if thats crazy

[wet condor]

Gonna be seeing a whole bunch of that up until EOS

[wraith mantle]

I am a bit disappointed harald didn't show up to god valley

[frigid gulch]

You’re done with the 90s?

[golden valley]

I just want Void Century stuff

[wet condor]

I was hoping man

[golden valley]

You can say that

[hasty sable]

Harald loves to disappoint

[leaden rivet]

I was actually pretty hyped to see a younger big mom but it’s oda after all

[wraith mantle]

😭 insane stray

[stone tulip]

That fight is still happening even without Domi reversi cause Luffy and Koby both have genuine beef with Blackbeard anyways which is my point

[trim lily]

the highlight of the rocks stuff was definitely seeing his crew, i loved the rocks pirates

[steel stirrup]

He couldve heard Imu call him a bitch with his own ears lmaoo

[leaden rivet]

Im just glad oda didn’t make her simp after rocks

At least he was merciful

[ornate tartan]

yessir🔥

[rose rune]

Same

[wraith mantle]

LMAO

[wet condor]

I would've never bet on him showing up, but I held some hope

[wraith mantle]

same bro

[glass plume]

yeah true, but i'd like if it was domi reversed Blackbeard

[prisma idol]

Rocks' Domi will be parallel'd with what I assume will happen which is Herald's domi reversi. This is all to show how bad Domi Reversi is to give context to current elbaf and the circumstances there

[wraith mantle]

harald and rocks friendship need a conclusion imo

[golden valley]

Give me Void Century

[ashen perch]

My take was that its not the right time for it to be depicted fully, and that it will result in Oda showing something that feels kinda incomplete and rushed at parts

[golden valley]

Im done with the roger pirates

[trim lily]

anyway 0/10 flashback cause we never learned why barbell can set his head on fire

[hasty sable]

Harald loves the taste of government boots

[glass plume]

it got one

[steel stirrup]

The conclusion is Rocks death

[rose rune]

We will get more tho

[stone tulip]

Oda’s is Shanks biggest glazer so that’s guaranteed

[glass plume]

this was the conclusion

[tulip turtle]

Both friends will die the same way and at their own birthplace

[frigid gulch]

Well Harald managed to come to his senses at some point

[wraith mantle]

you think their last meeting was a proper conclusion? I guess it can count as one

[frigid gulch]

[prisma idol]

He was feeling silly

[golden valley]

I know

[steel stirrup]

We gotta give a backstory to make it sadder when he dies

[frigid gulch]

Although it was still screwed

[prisma idol]

Also no Shoujo Prince or Claw Guy

[stone tulip]

Who knows but either way that fight might have a chance of happening due to the parallels imo

[trim lily]

this reminds me of when some people said harald poisoned the drink

[ornate tartan]

what’s up with the death fetish man😂

everyone doesn’t have to die to have a good conclusion

[wraith mantle]

true.. and their last convo was pretty conclusive as well

I wanna see harald and loki's reaction to rocks death asap

[leaden rivet]

We got a surprising lack of characterization from like every character. Dragon, Eris and Rocks were the stand outs

[glass plume]

definitely see it as one

[ornate tartan]

as long as it’s written well

[hasty sable]

Xebec: Abolish the police
Harald: Blue Lives Matter

[vernal ravine]

fight was decen

[steel stirrup]

Loki might crash out lol that was his goat

[leaden rivet]

As far as the female characters Stussy is just a simp, gloriosa is just a simp, Shakky is just a simp, but at least we have big mom who got embarassed every chapter

[wraith mantle]

Harald and Garp.. Oda is cooking

[grand flower]

that's not enough, OP needs to be more by the numbers

[golden valley]

Shakky was horrid, im sorry

[leaden rivet]

Eris and Ida carry so hard

[glass plume]

people come up with anything just to slander istg

[wraith mantle]

loki will unlock conq

[wet condor]

LMAOOOOO

[stone tulip]

Yeah pretty much and maybe that makes me wonder if Rocks was the main reason that Harald got rid of the horns due to shame ?

[tranquil blade]

Shakky was god awful

[hasty sable]

Specially when Harald doesn’t need you to come up with anything

[brittle basin]

plz keep politics out of my fun and innocent adventure manga aimed at kids smh

[ashen perch]

and this is precisely why the HKs had to disappear, because Oda didnt want to overexpose them too early here. This is why we could not have learnt more about Xebec's past, or the meaning of his dream and whatnot. Just not the time yet for all that, but it made GV feel incomplete.

[leaden rivet]

Where were all of you when I was hating on her weeks ago

[trim lily]

too scared to speak up

[golden valley]

I wasn’t confident enough yet

[tranquil blade]

I was literally there

[steel stirrup]

I can see that

One of the many points of this flashback is to illustrate the importance that Rocks held to not only Loki but Harald as well

[stone tulip]

Garp was also a stand out too during god valley imo

[tranquil blade]

and they accused me of hating strong women

[ashen perch]

look Shakky may have been meh but atleast she was something

you cant say that about 90% of characters in God Valley

[steel stirrup]

Yall fake as fuck

[leaden rivet]

They told me I sound like those misogynistic Twitter users lol

[steel stirrup]

On my soul all yall fake

[brittle basin]

I'm real as fake.

[stone tulip]

Yeah like Harald and Rocks are genuinely good friends with each other and that would definitely influence future events that lead to Harald’s death

[golden valley]

And Gloriosa…💔 she deserved more

[ashen perch]

90% of characters in GV essentially did not even exist

[royal orchid]

BB:

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-gif-23410458

[grand flower]

that's unfortunate

[regal coral]

Real recognize real

[wraith mantle]

I mean shakky is a bit of a tragic character, everyone she encounters just simps for her.
She rarely can form any genuine connections with people, platonically or romantically

[steel stirrup]

When I said Shakky was mid during the flashback yall called me all kinds of names but now yall saying the same shit

[leaden rivet]

This being the entirety of all she said and did the entirety of god valley is so funny

[rose rune]

Just like boa

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/going-crazy-mr-boss-smiling-friends-freaking-out-going-wild-gif-5258506792416434328

[wraith mantle]

exactly yeah

[steel stirrup]

Fandom full of liars and fickle bandwagon riders I stg

[tranquil blade]

Oda I cannot forgive you

[rose rune]

This is why I'm a robin fan

[wraith mantle]

oda's sleepiest soldier?

[royal orchid]

Roger should've stayed with gloriosa so that he never met Rouge and never had a bum like Portgas D. Ace be born

[rose rune]

Yup

[ashen perch]

God Valley is like if Oda was writing Wano and the only characters that he ever showed were Luffy, Kid, Law, BM, Kaido and Zoro or something

actually working on a better analogy than that

[stone tulip]

I still don’t hate Shakky and at least she still tried to fight for her freedom before Rayleigh saved her so it wasn’t big deal to me cause it did strengthen the relationship between her and Rayleigh, it’s Gloriosa I have major problem with like she has connections with Shakky yet she barely even did anything at all

[tranquil blade]

This is why I'm a Kidd fan, I've liked him the whole time

[tranquil blade]

I will not switch up on him no matter what

[ashen perch]

but its like if Oda did a traditional One Piece arc and only cared to show 20% of what happened

[stone tulip]

Although Kaido was also someone who I ended up enjoying during the flashback too

[runic dock]

You can tell why she ended up ugly

[steel stirrup]

I respect you for having heart

Everyone switches up when the wind blows

[hasty sable]

Oda had a lot to get through and I think he is keen to finish OP

[leaden rivet]

We got a shocking lack of characterization for the rocks pirates who were like the most prevalent thing this arc

[azure acorn]

it's real hard to believe this isn't an edit

[glass plume]

it's such a shame

[royal orchid]

when the what blows

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-dragon-one-piece-one-piece-monkey-d-dragon-revolutionary-army-gif-27117378

[stone tulip]

Yeah Oda did her pretty dirty man

[tranquil blade]

No matter how many "useless Midd" jokes I hear I cannot abandon him entirely

[hasty sable]

Even now I think he shifted some plot points that needed to happen for Elbaf

[leaden rivet]

Shiki really was just there. And all his fans were hyping him up it’s kinda funny.

[brittle basin]

you probably won't get all the character details and conversations you want due to the current OP pacing

[tranquil blade]

Though sometimes I worry Oda actually killed him off

[ashen perch]

yeah, Gloriosa essentially did not exist lol

[royal orchid]

Useless "Hypetool" D. Midd and his sidekick Filler

[runic dock]

Mf’s didn’t even think god valley would be shown in its entirety in this flashback as if we have time later with all these other set ups going on

[hasty sable]

This is where I am lol

[wraith mantle]

also ngl who cares about rocks pirates other than wb bm kaido rocks and maybe shiki

captain john i guess

[glass plume]

i do

[ashen perch]

this is true, I was crucified for implying this smh

[hasty sable]

Yeah, it was time tbh. We only have so much real estate rn

[steel stirrup]

He has Conquerors haki so he should be useful soon assuming it has bloomed since his loss

[stone tulip]

Yeah highly disappointed ngl

[runic dock]

Nah I love what he did , if you have tempered expectations and you’re not agenda pilled this isn’t an “L” as the kids say

[grand flower]

i like em

[royal orchid]

barbell got his prime time STOLEN

[wraith mantle]

i like em too but idk i don't feel like i wanna know more about kyu for example

[leaden rivet]

But you’ve been saying op will last like another decade

[wraith mantle]

or ganzui

[ashen perch]

they all have cool designs, I want to know more about them and I wanted to see more of them

[royal orchid]

I don't care about kyo

[steel stirrup]

Not having a agenda makes it more fun imo

[royal orchid]

he's just a guy

[glass plume]

i'd love to know more about them

[runic dock]

Oh no there was no hype or aura shitty character :(

As if I care

[glass plume]

Kyo being a rival of Shiki is interesting

i wonder how they met

[hasty sable]

I want a Rocks Pirates spin-off

[steel stirrup]

Don't have to nerf myself from enjoying other characters

[ashen perch]

Yes, both things are true

[glass plume]

let's not go that far

[hasty sable]

I love them so much

[leaden rivet]

So 10 years left of one piece is oda rushing?

[runic dock]

Yeah exactly , which is like my philosophy with Orochi

[ashen perch]

yes

[runic dock]

Great character

Doesn’t need aura

[ashen perch]

these two things dont contradict each other

[leaden rivet]

They don’t but I do think it’s a bit insane

[glass plume]

Big News Morgans is one of the best characters out there

and you can't deny it

[hasty sable]

Ten years is a bit much

[kind nacelle]

I hope Oda doesn't die before One piece ends

[runic dock]

Mods?

[hasty sable]

Oda will end before One Piece

[ashen perch]

I think Egghead was kinda rushed and that lasted 3 years lol, time isnt relevant

[royal orchid]

Big News Morgans does equal damage to both sides of the world of one piece

[golden valley]

Idk about a decade but I got OP ending in 5-6 years

[leaden rivet]

He was already in chat lol

[pine scaffold]

oh

[kind nacelle]

Mb typo

[steel stirrup]

All it does it breed contempt and eventually hatred whej your agenda doesn't come to fruition

I'd rather just enjoy the story in its entirety instead of having to limit myself

[glass plume]

Big News Morgans is a real king of the world

[hasty sable]

I think it’ll be 6-7 but I’m just making numbers up now

[leaden rivet]

Wdym oh? Your message was right after his lol

[pine scaffold]

I deadass just got here

[ashen perch]

it isnt necessarily against the rules but just dont be weird man @kind nacelle

[pine scaffold]

and thats the first thing I see

[runic dock]

Yeah I was totally fine with shiki’s depiction , he was fun and exciting , the aura farmers did their thing and shiki did his

[grand flower]

i can't wait to see this in high quality

[ornate tartan]

we need more fans of this guy, i enjoyed him since his first appearance😂

[faint cedar]

Morgans daring to defy the WG just so he can spread his own spin on truths for his newspapers

[kind nacelle]

It was bad grammar sorry

[ornate tartan]

a bird who runs the newspaper

[glass plume]

one of the most entertaining characters in the entire series

[ashen perch]

but yea, I think both things are true Illya

[royal orchid]

refined peakium panel

[kind nacelle]

Hi

[royal orchid]

iH

[grand flower]

Roger debuting his barrel build

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-big-news-morgans-anime-whole-cake-island-gif-17546746

[steel stirrup]

I can't wait to see it get animated in 4 years

[kind nacelle]

Wanna became friends?

[upbeat yarrow]

big news morgan is one of my top 10 favorites characters tbh

[ashen perch]

I think Oda is absolutely trying his hardest to get to the end and at the same time, he won't be able to bring it to an end before 10 years

[leaden rivet]

When will Luffy achieve this build

[golden valley]

I was saying in mind that he shoulda kept the coat on smh

[runic dock]

Needless to say this event did a lot to boost garp and Roger’s strength

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/turbo-taco-unwholesome-latinx-gifs-fraud-latinx-gif-3957249638754313268

[hasty sable]

Oda when he made a story too unwieldy to finish in a reasonable time

[runic dock]

Training session like no other

[royal orchid]

there's too many characters

[leaden rivet]

And it still wasn’t enough for Chinjao’s head. Chinjao’s head>rocks?

[runic dock]

Fans when they think oda totally isn’t chilling with a mojito right now on one of his “oda breaks”

[grand flower]

damn i was hoping garp having no ass was a product of his old age but he's got the hank hill butt as a young man too

[ashen perch]

The sheer scale of the series is far too big for him to finish it as soon as he wants to, he isnt capable of it, its practically impossible

[faint cedar]

Garp doesn't necessarily kill criminals

[ornate tartan]

morgans is the reason behind the god valley and egghead incidents

[hasty sable]

[golden valley]

I forget, is it too late for Luffy to reach Garp/Dragon height?

[ashen perch]

nah

[runic dock]

I could see chinjao back then being a pretty strong guy like Harald was , both leaders of strong nations , both have similar facial hair

Harald matched rocks

[hasty sable]

His good future he literally becomes Garp

[golden valley]

Kaido and BM got way taller despite being 20+ right

[leaden rivet]

I feel like a ton of the major mysteries of the series can be wrapped up much earlier than you think

[grand flower]

He probably never will during the story proper since Oda wants Luffy as a main character to convey a child

[ashen perch]

Luffy will be 9 feet in the future

[grand flower]

But maybe during an epilogue

[kind nacelle]

How're you Pakistani and bi? Isn't that illegal there ?

[ashen perch]

epilogue yea, not the main main story I am sure

why do you care

[runic dock]

He will probably get that one piece stature boost in his mid 20s

[steel stirrup]

Ruh Roh Raggy

[glass plume]

Dragon is Oda's way of showing what a prime Luffy would be like, imo

[runic dock]

We won’t see it tho

[ornate tartan]

I say Luffy ends up around 7’6 when he’s an adult

[golden valley]

An adult adult

Like maybe 40s

[ornate tartan]

yea

[ashen perch]

they can

[grand flower]

Love is free

[leaden rivet]

Luffy isn’t making it out of the epilogue alive

[ashen perch]

its not the mysteries though per se

[golden valley]

Stop it

[ashen perch]

its the fighting, thats gonna take the most out of Oda

[runic dock]

oof

[wraith mantle]

aint no fucking care about barbell bro 😭

[glass plume]

wdym

[ashen perch]

fighting includes giving all these major characters their spotlight

[glass plume]

barbell has a lot of fans

[golden valley]

At least barbell didn’t die in GV

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[leaden rivet]

Music do you want Luffy dead

[wet condor]

I'm kind of surprised

[wraith mantle]

dissing your goat's father is crazy work

whose side you on

[wet condor]

Yeah. It's the most fitting end for him

[glass plume]

are you really?..

[ashen perch]

when Oda is spending 200 chapters on the Final War in the future, you will know what I mean

[leaden rivet]

I agree

[golden valley]

Wait, I forgot Wang Zhi is still a character

[wet condor]

Preferably young

[steel stirrup]

So you truly in your heart give a fuck about Barbell

[glass plume]

of course

[tranquil blade]

I care a little

[wet condor]

Genuinely lol. I just didn't expect for him to get as much love as he got

[hasty sable]

Luffy is going to live forever

[leaden rivet]

I would hate for Luffy to settle down and start a family

[ashen perch]

I cared about Barbell, I cared about all the GV characters honestly, thats what makes this so frustrating

[glass plume]

feels like every character almost gets some sort of fandom now adays

[golden valley]

FUCCCCK, we’re probably gonna get an aftermath of what the rocks pirates did once he was defeated and that will include wang zhi

[runic dock]

Marco Polo tbh is fitting for a name for a series with pirate references in an adventure setting

[ashen perch]

its like a full scale One Piece arc shrinked down to 7 chapters

[trim lily]

i choose to believe marco only exists so oda could make that joke

[tranquil blade]

Do you think Graham is gonna make another appearance in this series

[wet condor]

Yeah. And I like his design quite a bit

[kind nacelle]

Does anyone wanna hire me to do assignments or projects?

[wet condor]

I liked him when I saw him

[steel stirrup]

Sure you're not just trying to have a niche favorite because you crave to stand out?

[glass plume]

same

[grand flower]

Not really

[tranquil blade]

Arsal if Oda didnt do that we wouldve had a 40 chapter flashback

[trim lily]

i dont think i could take 40 chapters of rocks

[runic dock]

Maybe to see how he died

[ashen perch]

well 15 would be sufficient I think

[wraith mantle]

you aint an intellectual you wont get it

[glass plume]

please accept people liking characters who aren't Xebec or Blackbeard

[golden valley]

He died

[steel stirrup]

Where did I say those were the only options?

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but like in another flashback

[runic dock]

Marco will conveniently mention his dad for some reason during the weevil break out mini arc

[wet condor]

I don't want Luffy to make it past 25 tbh

[glass plume]

it seems like they are, since you're always talking about them

[golden valley]

Why yall want luffy to die man

[grand flower]

Oh my god lmao

[ashen perch]

the fight really reminded me of this interview

[tranquil blade]

Not making it past 25...

[golden valley]

The only time ive seen fans wish death on their MC is CSM mans

[tranquil blade]

Damn

[runic dock]

Damn that’s cold blooded

[wet condor]

"We wasn't supposed to make it past 25"

[ashen perch]

this is why 1 chapter was my prediction, and I was right btw

[steel stirrup]

I dont know where you get that idea because I like to talk about my interest but ok

[wet condor]

Good Luffy at 40:
"Jokes on you we're still alive"

[steel stirrup]

It makes them feel different and unique

[ashen perch]

Oda did say that he hoped Luffy would stay a child forever didnt he

well not child child, but young

[storm creek]

luffy kanye

[ashen perch]

he would get his wish if Luffy just died before he became a middle aged dude

[wet condor]

Looks like Oda agrees

[runic dock]

Luffy after 25 kills himself because he accomplished all his goals and became bored

😔

[leaden rivet]

Im using this as confirmation Luffy’s a dead man. Thank you.

[glass plume]

didn't Oda just mean Luffy's innocence?

[wet condor]

Lol I was wondering if anyone got that reference

[storm creek]

luffy plot armor will never allow him to die

goofiest mc oat

[ashen perch]

Mr. Oda, what does Luffy mean to you?

Luffy is my ideal child. I wish all children could be like him. He may say some inspirational lines from time to time, but I want him to stay a kid forever.

[runic dock]

“Why can’t I kill myself wtf “

[storm creek]

toon force too strong

[steel stirrup]

So you want Luffy to die or you think he will die

[runic dock]

G5 is a pretty great way to explain an MC’s ability to always survive yeah

Great writing tool

[storm creek]

I get a slight shiver whenever oda talks about kids

[ashen perch]

also this took me like centuries to find and no one even read it smh

[storm creek]

chills man chills

💔

[ashen perch]

uh

[wraith mantle]

??

[ashen perch]

what is up with you people man

[steel stirrup]

So I'm not the only one confused by that statement

[wet condor]

Both

[runic dock]

That’s kind of creepy lol

[steel stirrup]

I thought it was just me

[ashen perch]

it can't be hard to just be normal

[wet condor]

If you mean me lol

[wraith mantle]

ok buddy

[steel stirrup]

Anyone with that opinion is welcome to answer tbh

[wraith mantle]

time to go

the pfp was a red flag in itself

[steel stirrup]

Why do you want him to die

[runic dock]

He’s a messiah character

[leaden rivet]

Both

[runic dock]

Some just think it’s fitting for him to die

As a martyr

[golden valley]

Well luffy will die, but he’s living past his 80s

[steel stirrup]

You mean martyr

[leaden rivet]

Honestly I can take Luffy living to 80 as long as he doesn’t have children or get married

But I think best case scenario he dies

[glass plume]

i've seen this float around, and it makes shed a tear

[golden valley]

Yeah that’s fine

[golden valley]

No

[wet condor]

Because Luffy is the type of live fast and die young. He should go out in a blaze of glory pursuing what he loves. Having Luffy die lying on his bed in old age or in sickness isn't the way I want him to go out

[runic dock]

One could lead into the other while I know there’s a distinction between both

[leaden rivet]

He should die in peak condition when he’s most free

[wraith mantle]

so god valley will be erased with a buster call?

no uranus?

[wet condor]

His love being adventure

[golden valley]

This could happen yeah

[storm creek]

so yall just dont want him to have a normal life

[runic dock]

They wouldn’t have had the fuel right now

[wet condor]

Not me. He's not a normal person

[golden valley]

Brook will be able to visit the underworld

[wraith mantle]

damn not even some imu nuke

[steel stirrup]

So a peaceful death isn't satisfactory

[storm creek]

everyone in one piece aint normal cmon man😭

[wraith mantle]

just good ol buster call

[golden valley]

To see the strawhats

[leaden rivet]

I think he should die on an adventure doing the things he loves

I don’t want Luffy taking care of a kid

[digital spear]

Coby joins Luffy confirmed

[leaden rivet]

Luffy punches kids not takes care of them

[steel stirrup]

What would he die for exactly

[timid sable]

naruto better than one piece

[digital spear]

So glue

[storm creek]

goated conversation starter

[runic dock]

Maybe imu had his own attack idk , but even when ohara who was about to share the truth , and even with egghead , all they ever did was turn those places to rubble and delete them off maps

[timid sable]

i know right

[runic dock]

The rubble remained

Dragon and vp visited it

[wraith mantle]

damn

[golden valley]

😭 I just randomly imagined luffy dying to some crazy poisonous mushroom, it sounds like luffy

But Luffy is not dying

[storm creek]

luffy definitely gonna be like gaban without a family

[leaden rivet]

Nika cuts your lifespan short. Trust me.

[ashen perch]

you really want him dead

[golden valley]

Yeah

[runic dock]

Martyr go brrrr

[golden valley]

Luffy is not dying

[wet condor]

Had to think about it... I'm gonna say, no

[golden valley]

Cant believe fans wish death on the mc

[storm creek]

I dont mind luffy’s future and his status at the end of the story

[leaden rivet]

He can stay alive as long as he’s 95 years old on the seas

[storm creek]

one piece deserves a happy ending anyway

[golden valley]

Luffy wont settle

[ashen perch]

Luffy won't settle down I am sure

[wraith mantle]

like do yall want luff to die in battle or from some sort of pirates aids

[storm creek]

as long as the ending is good

[golden valley]

If luffy settles then its over

[wet condor]

I'd prefer earlier but it's still better than him living a domestic life lol

[leaden rivet]

But I feel like in the end he’ll have kids and get married if he lives

[storm creek]

luffy dying agenda is the next big thing

[golden valley]

Buffy and Two Piece is happening

[storm creek]

🗣️

[runic dock]

Hopefully not the same as Roger or zebec

That’s all

Surpass the past

[wraith mantle]

i doubt luffy would die of a disease

[ornate tartan]

luffy will always be wandering around

[wraith mantle]

chopper's whole existence is to cure all things

[storm creek]

how it should end im ngl

[wet condor]

Die in battle or maybe in the same way that Roger died

[leaden rivet]

If Luffy has kids I just hope he won’t be in their life

[golden valley]

Huh???

[runic dock]

Yeah , maybe we might even see Luffy GET that same disease but chopper cures it

[steel stirrup]

Wtf

[storm creek]

yall forget one piece is for kids also they are not killing luffy

[wraith mantle]

big chopper w

[leaden rivet]

Have you been paying attention to this conversation at all

[upbeat yarrow]

gotta maintain the family tradition

[storm creek]

luffy pulling the joseph joestar

[wet condor]

In that case, I hope for his death even harder

[storm creek]

absolute cinema

[golden valley]

Kinda a crazy wish

[runic dock]

Garp didn’t abandon dragon

Tbh

[golden valley]

If Luffy has kids, he’s taking them on adventures

Hes not ditching them

[runic dock]

He made him join his job lol , probably watched over him until dragon himself rebelled

[leaden rivet]

Luffy is not changing diapers bro

[storm creek]

luffy’s kids will treat him like a dumbass

[golden valley]

Who said allat

[wraith mantle]

idk i have luffy top 1 eos
no one should be able to beat him, bar any alien invasion

[wet condor]

^

[golden valley]

Luffy will tell them to wipe their own ass

[runic dock]

Luffy won’t know how and won’t learn

[golden valley]

He’s still taking his kids on adventures

[leaden rivet]

This is the guy you want rearing children?

[golden valley]

If he ever has some

[storm creek]

who is luffy having kids with anyway

[upbeat yarrow]

do we reeeally know that? garp got dragon in the marines but thats as far as we know

[golden valley]

No one

[storm creek]

what a goated agenda

I like this

keep this up

[runic dock]

It’s true we need more info , like up until when was the mom around

Garp’s wife

[golden valley]

Dragon abandoned Luffy and left them to others out of necessity and Dragon just departed from Garp on his own to be something else

[golden valley]

Luffy aint abandoning his child

[upbeat yarrow]

we need monkey d grandma

[runic dock]

Monkey d grandma would be peak

[leaden rivet]

He’ll beat them

[steel stirrup]

This whole conversation has been crazy

[golden valley]

For sure

[wet condor]

I don't think he would either if he had one. But I don't see him child-rearing at all. So almost by necessity, he's gotta die then

[ornate tartan]

Luffy might have a child
but he is NOT settling down😂

[wet condor]

I think Oda will have him die before having him settle, yeah

[olive sigil]

After reading this chapter, I’m realizing I now miss Yamato’s cover story

[runic dock]

What if boa just tricks luffy into having a kid? :x

[ornate tartan]

he’s not gonna be tricked

[upbeat yarrow]

how

[wet condor]

lmao I was just about to ask

[olive sigil]

The good old stussy special

[storm creek]

luffy dies as he gets turned to a donut by blackbeard, op theme starts playing while bb laughs maniacally, camera zooms out on the both of them while bb eats luffy df out of joy

title slowly appears and reads “Teach Piece”

the end

[golden valley]

This would genuinely make Boa the most hated character

[leaden rivet]

Ah yes so she does the same thing to Luffy that was done to her. Peak writing.

[ornate tartan]

he’s not an animal😂 he knows all these things Oda just doesn’t wanna waste time on it

[runic dock]

Lies to him about his DNA and what she needs it for

[bitter linden]

It seems God Valley has now ended, and the next chapter will be the repercussions in Elbaf.

[runic dock]

“DNA”

[wraith mantle]

what if luffy in gear5 made brogy and dorry laugh so hard it reverted their domi reversi?

[upbeat yarrow]

nah bro if boa manages to do that she might the smartest character in the series

[leaden rivet]

Noooooooo

No

[runic dock]

Full circle character , surprise reveal; you were never supposed to like her

Foreshadow: she kicked a dog

[golden valley]

Smh, hurts my soul to see Boa painted in such a light

[upbeat yarrow]

5D chess type thinking

[leaden rivet]

She kicked a dog out of fear of being perceived as weak

She didn’t do it just to be a cunt

[runic dock]

Tsk tsk excuses

A dog is a dog

[stone terrace]

Worse than rocks ong

[ornate tartan]

we had ppl justifying the towns rocks blew up

not the crooked charity

all of them😂😂

[stone terrace]

Lets break this down simply

[storm creek]

luffy would probably smash boa out of pure boredom and he later forgets it even happened

[stone terrace]

We saw ONE of the towns rocks blew up

And it was crooked

Knowing this is a story

What do you think oda is trying to convey

[storm creek]

rocks is the goat

[wet condor]

That he isn't just attacking decent people

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ykb-topstep-gif-4719638130293346530

[runic dock]

The angle of trying to make rocks sympathetic for this specific flashback so the finale fight hits when he saves his family and begs to be killed , but I bet if we got another angle like bb’s personal life we could have more opportunities to see “bad” moments

Things he was willing to do to be okay being around cold blooded murderers

[wet condor]

Are you a full on unironic Rocks is good truther, Icon?

[stone terrace]

God no

Hes neutral

[wet condor]

Okay

[leaden rivet]

I mean icon is unfortunately right

[storm creek]

amir khan havent heard that name in a while

[tiny oracle]

Well I mean

[leaden rivet]

Oda is implying what’s said about rocks attacks are propaganda and rocks is actually a decent guy

[tiny oracle]

Rocks stabbed a kid and forced people to be on his crew

[ashen perch]

cook

[runic dock]

That’s not really true , it’s just offering one perspective , and one piece is all about perspectives

[tiny oracle]

He’s clearly not good

[runic dock]

Kind of missing the point

[tiny oracle]

But

Not allat bad

[runic dock]

Of the whole manga talking like that

[storm creek]

well he just used loki to aura farm he secretly cried inside when he hurt him

[tiny oracle]

Sure sure

[ashen perch]

This is exactly what I think Oda is doing too Earl, this mildly sympathetic angle is important for this flashback to work. Focusing on Xebec's bad side isnt relevant right now.

[tiny oracle]

Should have clashed evenly with Loki idk what Oda was thinking

[stone terrace]

Rocks is painted as the scourge of the planet and its simply not true

[runic dock]

That’s exactly it

[stone terrace]

Harald calls him a villain, meanwhile he is getting in bed with villains

[runic dock]

It’s for the finale of this fb to work

[stone terrace]

Its intentionally ironic

[ornate tartan]

what kind of crew tries to kill each other for fun😂

[runic dock]

Other perspectives can see him as a total villain

[ashen perch]

yea

[tiny oracle]

Also Rocks was giving Shakky crazy eyes for a married wife guy

[wet condor]

I think it's as simple Rocks is bad but he had some noble qualities about him

[ornate tartan]

that boy Shiki declared the end of the Rocks Pirates w a smile on his face

[leaden rivet]

Yes offering one only good perspective and no other perspectives

[wet condor]

He'll never sell out a friend. If he need something you don't even have to tell what it's about, he's got your back

[leaden rivet]

It’s obviously a biased rendition to evoke sympathy. Showing context to one where he’s not doing anything wrong and not showing context for everything else

[ashen perch]

I am sure theres gonna be flashbacks that will focus more on his negative sides. When we see things from Roger's perspective, it will be the right time to show why there was any sort of resentment from him

[wet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-renner-ben-affleck-the-town-gif-6594552503681355723

[stone tulip]

I mean it really just shows how Xebec is morally grey character like he is obviously not a good person but he isn’t a horrible person either

[storm creek]

xebec acts like a normal pirate but he knows his shit

[runic dock]

So far sure

[wet condor]

Rocks if Harald ever asked him for a favor

[stone tulip]

Some people are just that complicated and it’s fine

[leaden rivet]

I mean I doubt rocks is getting much after this. We know Blackbeard at the very least looks up to him. And the other people who might hate him in his crew only hate him due to a misunderstanding.

[ashen perch]

I think morally grey is pushing it still, Xebec is just not the worst monster ever, he is still human and cares for his family at the very least. It is enough to make him still come across as sympathetic against the literal fucking devil lol

[storm creek]

harald refusing rocks was probably for the better, the world cannot handle domi reversi harald and rocks

[runic dock]

Rocks is a man you’re meant to sympathize with in the moment and realize that even a man who tried to cut corners and speed run to the finish line he still couldn’t do it , it wasn’t the right way to do it , he tried to form a haphazard crew that he didn’t have strong bonds with , he speed ran into imus chambers without a plan to defeat him

It’s meant to show the haphazard way was wrong

[ornate tartan]

Xebec definitely isn’t a “good” guy, but if Odas intention was to make Rocks seem evil he didn’t do a really good job at that

whereas we already know Teach is fucking scum

[stone terrace]

Rocks didnt speedrun anything

[leaden rivet]

Stfu Earl

[wet condor]

Yeah I wouldn't agree with that

[stone terrace]

His downfall came because of fate

[leaden rivet]

Stop trying to sound philosophical

[stone terrace]

As garling said

[runic dock]

He speed ran forming a good crew with good bonds and getting power

[ashen perch]

oh and the admiral he killed...

[wet condor]

Well...

[runic dock]

Garling can suck my dick, his word is meaningless

[wet condor]

I agree with that Earl

[runic dock]

Find a better hero

[leaden rivet]

Killed pregnant women

[stone terrace]

If he didnt discover the davy clan on god valley, rocks wouldve continued on with his plan that very obviously accounted for imu being immortal

[storm creek]

he def had a plan I think the whole davy clan knows about imu

[wet condor]

I just wouldn't have classfied it as speed running

[ashen perch]

he was the Fujitora of his time actually

[runic dock]

It was always gonna fall apart because he didn’t form his crew correctly

[storm creek]

they prolly talk aboit imu like the boogeyman

[wet condor]

But I get what you're saying

[runic dock]

Thanks

[ashen perch]

but what I was getting at is in his story, ofc Rocks would be the bad guy

[wet condor]

Same thing is likely to happen with BB

[ashen perch]

he killed him

[wet condor]

Luffy's supposed to be doing it the right way

[ashen perch]

we gotta see that admiral, maybe he was a sympathetic figure, who knows

not all admirals are monsters

[storm creek]

rocks is uhh man who had everything and could do everything but failed because he simply wasnt the right man for the job

he wasnt the ultimate potential man

💔 💔 💔

[olive sigil]

Is this Yamon?

[leaden rivet]

You type kinda like a 12 year old

[leaden rivet]

There’s no way

[stone terrace]

The only admiral that hasnt committed a depravity is fujitora

[ashen perch]

theres many ways

[stone terrace]

And he was drafted

[olive sigil]

The admiral will be anime only

[leaden rivet]

Fujitora let the bird cage kill people to prove a point

[tranquil blade]

That admiral Rocks killed kicked puppies

[olive sigil]

There’s Orlumbus