also-manga

[scenic dirge]

Oh lol it's the fucking Nanami guy. I feel like he's become very popular

[leaden rivet]

So I can’t take your takes on Mihawk seriously

[stuck pagoda]

Even Mihawk pointed out Luffy ability is to make allies

[ashen perch]

What if he could just do that

[leaden rivet]

Zip his pants up when you’re done

[frigid gulch]

Loool

No

[sage temple]

Duly noted

[sturdy steeple]

I wonder if they had Shamrock’s VA in mind while doing the infamous reverie scene.

Because it’s just Shanks there.

[ashen perch]

There are thousands of DFs and magical abilities in the World of One Piece

[digital spear]

Fight fight fight fight

[frigid gulch]

Just stop bro

Let it go

[sage temple]

And only 2 DFs are called legendary

[ashen perch]

I don't see why they should question his appearance

[stuck pagoda]

They should’ve used a voice vocoder lol to make it mysterious

[frigid gulch]

The guy has nothing besides a fruit

Err

[shell scroll]

tbh they could have had shanks va do it but hes getting old so shanks and shamrock couldve just had the same voice

[frigid gulch]

Haki

[ashen perch]

They can very very reasonably assume that Rocks can just do that

[digital spear]

Would you say Mihawk is close to those

[sturdy steeple]

Eh, that alone wouldn’t make sense. We had no idea Shanks had a twin back then.

[leaden rivet]

Nope

[stuck pagoda]

I think film red hinted toward the end of one piece , in the end of the movie the straw hats and red beard pirates combined attacks to defeat the boss, they were all relative that’s how I see everyone beating imu

[leaden rivet]

But I don’t think they’re like multitudes stronger at all

[ashen perch]

Alternatively, they can assume that Rocks sold his soul to the devil in front of them, embraced him on purpose, betrayed them because he saw no way of winning

[digital spear]

Same way I dont see Eos Luffy close to Mihawk

[sturdy steeple]

I heard that people think Shanks’ VA might be retiring but I think that’s far from the truth. He’s in the same trailer where Shamrock is voiced by Tsuda, lol.

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think so. He’s fighting the battle of his life and is just using a sword to fight. He just got ran through with tendrils, why would they assume that

[leaden rivet]

Like shanks haki as we’re meant to believe is somewhat similar to Joyboy’s. So I don’t see someone who’s stronger than shanks being multitudes weaker than Joyboy

[shell scroll]

no not retiring just that hes not doing a lot as he used to in other series etc

[frigid gulch]

I mean ye this is alright

[stuck pagoda]

W

[leaden rivet]

Well yes YC, I understand my logic, but I don’t understand yours because you’re not explaining it

[hasty sable]

They had no idea most likely lol

Inb4 it was Shanks actually

[stuck pagoda]

I think all the top top tiers are relative to joyboy, they just weren’t chosen to have the nika powers that’s the only difference

[digital spear]

Im saying we mean the same except I think Luffy will be as strong or stronger than those people

[wet condor]

I don't think Shanks is Joyboy level lol

[ashen perch]

Yea, either way, they had no way of knowing beyond these assumptions so it is how it is

[hasty sable]

Shanks is just Roger-lite

He’s not even on Roger’s level

[wet condor]

Like, the way I view Joyboy right now, is he is so far above everyone else

[ashen perch]

Joyboy's haki was basically straight up called stronger

[wet condor]

Besides IMu

[stuck pagoda]

Smart

[leaden rivet]

Shanks mid tier haki is meant to be comparable to Joyboy’s greatest haki

[digital spear]

Shanks is one arm missing from being Roger level imo

[wet condor]

LMAO

[frigid gulch]

But I don’t really buy that df stuff especially if he intended on eating the fruit he was planning to find

[ashen perch]

I don't think Joyboy meant "strongest" when he said greatest of Haki

[leaden rivet]

Y

Why

[digital spear]

C

See

[leaden rivet]

WhyC

[digital spear]

YSee

[leaden rivet]

Genuinely tho YC can you explain why you think that

[ashen perch]

Just that it was a lot I think

[stuck pagoda]

I used to think shanks was above Roger but I think the shanks washed theory might be true, he seems to be the gatekeeper before you get into the real top tiers like Mihawk Roger and prime beard

[digital spear]

Why Luffy will be that strong? Shonen MC tax

[sturdy steeple]

Welp, if it’s Shanks then problem solved from the start lol

[stuck pagoda]

Doesn’t mean he gets punked he’d put up a good fight

[digital spear]

He will definitely reach or surpass Joyboy imo

[stuck pagoda]

But he should be definitively below those guys

[shell scroll]

i mean we do know he still had the arm with abyss mark so he could know somthign about how the gum gum never gets caught by imu a simple if i can find it then what can i do with it. i believe he let himself lose his arm cuz he saw somthing in luffy after eating the fruit ynow

[leaden rivet]

Imu is 100% getting jumped imo, and I always seen Joyboy as slightly stronger than Imu. So I just don’t see Luffy ending up stronger than either.

[frigid gulch]

I was talking about Rocks

[stuck pagoda]

I don’t think imu is meant to be taken on one on one

Joyboy is gonna have lots of help to beat him

[digital spear]

I dont think Imu getting jumped means Luffy cant surpass Joyboy

[stuck pagoda]

Joyboy and Davy jones

Luffy and Blackbeard doing the fusion dance would surpass imu

[sturdy steeple]

There’s a reason why Rocks wanted two specific fruits at his side to infiltrate WG.

[wraith mantle]

in true shonen spirit, luffy will end up being the strongest fighter in history

[sage temple]

Loki had one

[leaden rivet]

I think it does because imo Joyboy is at the very least equal to Imu if not stronger

[sage temple]

There's a reason he said he'd be king if he made it to MG

[sturdy steeple]

Naw

[leaden rivet]

And if Luffy needs to jump Imu to beat him he’s not stronger than Imu, or Joyboy

Unlike shanks who is stronger than both

[stuck pagoda]

That’s what I think

[digital spear]

If youre willing to believe that why wouldnt Luffy also get that strong

[sage temple]

Loki said he'd be king of the world if he made it far enough to fight the HKs (Mary Geoise)

[foggy holly]

How can joyboy be stronger than imu, if according to the mural every race teamed up to fight imu with fodder kings?

[stuck pagoda]

Oda wants Luffy ability to make friends to pay off

[leaden rivet]

Because Luffy will jump him

[stuck pagoda]

So Luffy is not gonna solo imu

[digital spear]

And?

[stuck pagoda]

But he will put up a good fight

[wet condor]

There's a solid chance Luffy and co jump Imu, yeah

[ashen perch]

Illya I don't get your point though

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think he’s going to be stronger than someone he needs to jump

[wraith mantle]

what do you think of this rocks line boys? @wet heron @steel stirrup

[sage temple]

fight fight fight fight

[stuck pagoda]

Luffy role in the final battle is to lead the charge on imu, and to negate domi reversi

[sturdy steeple]

Well, he got apprehended by Shanks so I wouldn’t take his words for granted

[sage temple]

He did call Shanks a coward so there may have been some cheating taking place there

[digital spear]

I dont think "Imu will be jumped" and "EOS Luffy will be stronger than Joyboy" are mutually exclusive

[sturdy steeple]

Does anyone think that Loki’s fruit might not be the original one

[ashen perch]

Do you think just because they'll jump Imu at the start, it means that EOS Luffy will also need to do that? I don't think that makes sense

[digital spear]

^

[stuck pagoda]

Chopper is gonna awaken his human human fruit and get the final blow on imu

[sage temple]

Plenty do but nobody can really say which one is more likely so I don't really condemn any other theories

[leaden rivet]

Well I don’t think Eos Luffy is much stronger than the Luffy who fights Imu

[sturdy steeple]

This is how pirates fight!

[digital spear]

Original what

[leaden rivet]

So I don’t see it as making any difference

[sage temple]

Yeah I guess bro

[ashen perch]

Luffy rarely comes out of a fight the same level, he'll be stronger, he'll be a lot stronger even. Did you see Kaido v Luffy

[stuck pagoda]

Wym

[sturdy steeple]

Well the one Rocks was looking for is not the one Loki ate

Basically got replaced or stolen or whatever

[leaden rivet]

Yeah and Kaido is still stronger than Luffy arcs later. There won’t be arcs after Imu is defeated.

[wet condor]

People will say that Luffy immediately after his fight with Kaido is stronger than him

[urban lodge]

The fruit being swapped is possible

[pine ridge]

oh no a pirate didnt follow the rules

[stuck pagoda]

Literally

[urban lodge]

Loki does seem to think he's nika

[sturdy steeple]

I think that would make sense if Luffy’s fruit is the real deal

[sage temple]

Cowardice

[stuck pagoda]

Yall gassing EOS Luffy

[wet condor]

Do you think Luffy will eventually be stronger than Joyboy?

[ashen perch]

Kaido v Luffy also started with him being jumped, then Luffy proceeded to get exponentially stronger to the point that he could atleast fight him 1v1

[stuck pagoda]

He is the white mage

[sage temple]

That Lunarian theory lowk got me excited

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, what Loki ate seems to be strong as hell as well

[sage temple]

Just imagine

[sturdy steeple]

But there’s no telling what it is

[sage temple]

Lunarian fruit would be crazy

[frigid gulch]

Demon Loki

[sturdy steeple]

I do hope his fruit is related to Norse mythology tho

[sage temple]

Lol Zoro's gonna think he's king

[frigid gulch]

Soon

[leaden rivet]

That depends. But for now no. At least while I think Joyboy>Imu. But that is subject to change.

[frigid gulch]

[digital spear]

Luffy always grows during fights just look at Kaido, and the Imu fight will be the fight of his life. Im also factoring in any potential final shonen powerups

[sage temple]

Could be that as well

[ashen perch]

I expect Luffy to get strong enough to face and beat Imu in a 1v1 the same way he beat Kaido, it won't necessarily put him above Imu but really it doesn't make much of a difference

[leaden rivet]

So then he’ll still be weaker than Imu

No?

[stuck pagoda]

Luffy and Dragon will defeat Imu with a father son kamehameha

[leaden rivet]

I think by the end of the fight, which clearly will end up as a 1v1, Imu will be stripped of a lot of his powers one way or another.

Or Luffy may win by being a hard counter

But I don’t think he’ll be outright superior

[ashen perch]

In that moment yes, but it doesn't make any difference there's an entire life ahead of Luffy. If he's equals with Imu, it won't take him long to be stronger too

[stuck pagoda]

I think Luffy role as the liberator is literally just to keep everyone from being domi reversid while they all combine to kill imu

[sturdy steeple]

People take powerleveling too serious and it’s annoying. And what if Imu is a God that can only be countered by darkness combined with Nika’s powers? Then what? Does it matter for you that much that individually they cannot take on Imu?

[sage temple]

"whole" life

[digital spear]

yeah let him simmer a few years, unlees Illya thinks Luffy will die

[foggy holly]

Dragon ain't becoming a grandpa he's definitely dying sooner

[leaden rivet]

After he beats Imu I see it as the end of the series so I don’t see any time for him to get stronger

[sage temple]

Luffy is dying at 30 lets be honest

[digital spear]

thats enough time

[leaden rivet]

And yeah Luffy is getting pirate cancer. Last chapter will be Luffy’s funeral.

[ashen perch]

There'll be an Epilogue

[sage temple]

[ashen perch]

There might be two piece

[sage temple]

The story of Loki

[sturdy steeple]

Luffy is not living up to 63 years like our GOAT Loki

[ashen perch]

Just too early to tell for now

[digital spear]

Only way I see there not being enough time for Luffy being top 1 is if he dies at 19

[jade rain]

Out of all the shonen author you think oda is going to show us Luffy dying?

[stuck pagoda]

Luffy isn’t gonna keep spamming gear 5 forever

[ashen perch]

Also Luffy will be fine

[stuck pagoda]

He’s gonna push his limit for the final battle and then die

[sage temple]

[foggy holly]

"Bbut Oda already drew him as an old man"

[stuck pagoda]

He will be honored as the pirate king

[sage temple]

[somber rivet]

Hopes Zoro dies at 22

[wet condor]

Luffy kills Imu but his heart gives out

[sturdy steeple]

I do think Oda drew their future versions because he’s not planning to include them after the main story concludes lol

[stuck pagoda]

Gaimon>EOS Luffy

Cuz he be ded

[ashen perch]

The concept of Oda being dead scared of killing major characters and then killing off Luffy of all people 🙂‍↕️

[leaden rivet]

Nika drains your lifespan or some shit

[sage temple]

I hope Loki has some heavy hitters to spar against after Luffy dies

Loki's prime is a whole century away too

[leaden rivet]

Not like he’s going to need him later

[stuck pagoda]

He’s scared cuz he doesn’t wanna kill off too many before he kills Luffy

[somber rivet]

IN theory his lifespan was reduced by Ivankov

both in Impel Down and Marineford

[sage temple]

Ivankov lied.

[ashen perch]

Socrates you gotta stop involving that dude into everything

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but like it wasn’t reduced by much from what I remember

[leaden rivet]

Luffy’s a dead man

[digital spear]

From 80 to 70 or something

[somber rivet]

Never disrespected our Goat like that.

[sturdy steeple]

He’s not dying in his early 30s because of that lol

[sage temple]

He simply is involved in everything

[ashen perch]

There's more to the world than Loki

[sage temple]

He's literally the server icon

😭

[ashen perch]

Trust

[stuck pagoda]

There is no one piece without Loki

He is the sun god after all

[leaden rivet]

So when we move on from Elbaf and Loki is no longer relevant which character will you pretend to like next?

[sage temple]

"pretend"

[somber rivet]

Well, he is not living as much as Garp at least

[sage temple]

Illyasae you're very naive

This is a lifestyle

Not a phase

[leaden rivet]

Yeah alright

[sturdy steeple]

One Piece ends in Elbaf with Loki becoming PK

[ashen perch]

Loki is making it to the next arc though, and probably more

[digital spear]

I dont think it would matter at that point, except hes already 70 in Two Piece and dies from that onscreen

[stuck pagoda]

No wano is better

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-supernova-truth-supernova-supernova-truth-nuke-supertruth-nova-truth-gif-546761573344391275

[sturdy steeple]

That is true

[ashen perch]

Hachinosu War will in fact involve Loki

[urban lodge]

Luffy will die to Imu in Elbaf and Loki will take over as main character

[leaden rivet]

Loki is irrelevant in his own flashback

[leaden rivet]

Ohhhhhh brother

[wet condor]

Loki will be relevant in final war

[sage temple]

Yeah we'll see a lot of him so yall can't forget

[wet condor]

When we go to lodestar he won't be there

[stuck pagoda]

Shamrock gets tired of Oda waiting so long to finish the story, he breaks the 4th wall, writes himself as the strongest character in fiction then solos one piece

[digital spear]

Moon crashing on earth wouldnt cause a supernova 🤓

[somber rivet]

Hopes is in a last stand man just like Whitebeard.

And Standing like a true legend

[leaden rivet]

I’ll only be interested in Loki if he joins Blackbeard

[wet condor]

Loki will also not be at laughtale

[stuck pagoda]

Loki and Kidd are gonna do so well on the Blackbeard pirates

[sage temple]

THE LOKI DRAFT

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, but Law will. Glad we agree.

[stuck pagoda]

LeLoki James

[ashen perch]

Loki's making up this backstory so Hajrudin will feel bad for him and release him btw, don't forget

[digital spear]

Everyone joins Blackbeard

[somber rivet]

It will probably be the New Giant Warrior Pirates with his brother.

With both fighting for who will be the Captain

[leaden rivet]

Seeing all 3 of them jump shanks would bring tears to my eyes

[sage temple]

Presence concealing feat then if Luffy can't tell he's lying

[wet condor]

I've accepted that there's a solid chance that he will be there

[sturdy steeple]

Gaban got so fucking tired of Loki’s dramatic ass story that he interrupted him with the story about his cool ass captain lmfaaao

[wet condor]

Though I do not care for him being there

[stuck pagoda]

It’s what we need

[digital spear]

Luffy often believes people

[sage temple]

Yeah right

[ashen perch]

Luffy couldn't tell with Pudding either, his observation isn't perfect atleast yet

[hot cairn]

Lodestar Arc Soon

[digital spear]

^

[wet condor]

Luffy's ability to read people isn't foolproof

He fucks up sometimes

[sturdy steeple]

Bro, I’m tearing up imagining Gaban just outright telling Loki to shut up

[sage temple]

What about Gaban

[tranquil blade]

and then usually they actually do end up keeping their word by the end

[sturdy steeple]

🤝

[ashen perch]

Gaban doesn't have the special observation that Luffy has

I'm too lazy to find the panel so I'm just using this command

!zorocares

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/643066741328445461/unknown.png

[ashen perch]

That

[sage temple]

Oh

Explains why Luffy thinks Loki is a good person

[wet condor]

It will, when you see Shanks almost manages to win

[leaden rivet]

Why is old Rayleigh so much more attractive than young Rayleigh

[sturdy steeple]

Gaban’s observation so far seems to be the most honed one in the story.

[leaden rivet]

Is there a lore reason for that

[sturdy steeple]

Although Shanks will probably surpass that.

[tranquil blade]

It just happens with old people sometimes

[sage temple]

Some say he ages like wine

[leaden rivet]

[wet condor]

Shanks glaze... NEVER ENDS!

[grand flower]

Luffy is pretty undecided actually

[sage temple]

I can't wait for Loki vs Shanks to negate all the glaze of Shanks

[ashen perch]

Gaban is generally excellent for sure yeah, he said he could faintly sense the HKs even when they concealed their presences

[tranquil blade]

Sanji will surpass it too

[leaden rivet]

I can’t see why anyone would want their favorite character fighting shanks

[digital spear]

Only a meta reason

[tranquil blade]

I think

[sage temple]

Yeah whatever dawg Loki has atoned for his sins idc

[leaden rivet]

You’re setting yourself up

[wet condor]

Hiding their power levels

[sturdy steeple]

I think the biggest surprise is how far he was

[sage temple]

Because most people's favorite character isn't Loki

[ashen perch]

That too

[sturdy steeple]

Like that alone sounds like something Enel could’ve done with his fruit power

[sage temple]

Mine is

[sturdy steeple]

But Gaban just does it casually

[leaden rivet]

Shanks made Loki his bitch 6 years ago, why do you think the result will be different

[wet condor]

Loki hasn't been training

He's been tethered to a tree

[sage temple]

I think Luffy and Gaban's observation Haki makes it into a slight intent concealing feat if Loki has been lying this entire time

[wet condor]

But Loki should now be more aware of his Coc

[sage temple]

He trains durability

He doesn't have to move for that

[ashen perch]

Loki probably was a tough battle for Shanks but while Loki did nothing, Shanks may have gotten stronger

[leaden rivet]

Instead of getting one tapped this time it’ll take 2

[sage temple]

Am I supposed to be mad

[leaden rivet]

Why would you be mad

[sage temple]

Most taps Shanks took to beat someone

That's a durability feat for Loki

[leaden rivet]

Don’t forget Blackbeard put hands on shanks first

[ashen perch]

I do think the real deception has been him pretending to be this evil monstrous dude, and its something that Mosa could see through after talking for a while with him

[sage temple]

I think Loki could def do the same

Shanks said he has countless scars

L bait

[leaden rivet]

Shanks has been spending half his screentime in relation to being afraid of Blackbeard

Loki is not a threat to shanks

[leaden rivet]

Why do you talk like this. Be normal.

[sage temple]

True and I feel like Luffy can tell he's good as well

Just not certaintly just passively ig

[sage temple]

He was afraid for Whitebeard

Not afraid of Blackbeard

Completely different

[ashen perch]

Mosa mentioned that all his harsh and cruel words have a kindness underneath them, that's Loki's big lie, that's the trick he's great at. Its like a subversion to the usual Loki trope of him pretending to be good

[sage temple]

I'm not a sheep

[leaden rivet]

He was afraid for Ace not Whitebeard

[tranquil blade]

He was afraid for everyone though, he knew Blackbeard would come for everyone eventually

[sage temple]

Still not afraid of Blackbeard

[leaden rivet]

No I mean you talk like you’re just in a constant state of trolling. It’s annoying.

Just talk regularly

[sage temple]

😭

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[sage temple]

Mosa and Loki remind me of Eris and Rocks

They both have similar dynamics

[ashen perch]

Maybe she is Eris...

[sage temple]

Another parallel

Loki really is the Rocks of this generation

[digital spear]

Loki having more dynamics with Rocks wife than Rocks

[ashen perch]

LOL

[sage temple]

lmao

[grand flower]

Is you cool?

[sage temple]

Im joking

[sage temple]

How do you feel about the Eris being Loki's mom theory

I've been thinking about it for a while

[leaden rivet]

The only merit to this theory is the thought of rocks getting cucked

Other than that it’s just stupid

[tranquil blade]

Idk if I'd consider that merit

[sage temple]

lol

[leaden rivet]

The reaction would be worth it

[digital spear]

We saw Estrid giving birth to Loki

[stone tulip]

Not the first time Oda had a subversion, hell I even had suspicion that Loki was good guy even before the arc began with the whole Lola thing, obviously the whole Loki being beloved ended up being bullshit but clearly there is something more towards that situation to turn out the way it did.

[sage temple]

True that might be a problem

[stone tulip]

Although this is also not the first time Loki was portrayed as good guy or someone in neutral side in other fictional media anyways

[sage temple]

Wait isn't this a Loki parallel

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-silvers-old-man-tears-gif-19898148

[final trench]

Holy sneak

[blazing depot]

Wha

[stone tulip]

Speaking of Mosa, I still wonder what the hell happened to them after that call with Loki and why he was worried about them ?

[sage temple]

Idk I feel like we'd just have to list off places in distress

What if Mosa is in Vira

[fast pagoda]

Lowkey Loki is to Rocks what Yamato is to Oden

[ashen perch]

Well in my Shirahoshi idea, it is BB raiding FMI that causes her to call Loki one last time

Or well, BBP raiding it specifically

[sage temple]

Oh no that's setting up for a Loki v BB fight

[tranquil blade]

Shirahoshi is the pretty obvious choice but Oda may somehow subvert it

[stone tulip]

Maybe it has something to do with Mariejose or maybe Mosa is on their way to Elbaf

[sage temple]

Any non spontaneous BB fight always goes to BB and it's offscreen and the person he's fighting prolly dies

[ashen perch]

Yea, I mean he's gonna get involved with him

[stone tulip]

There are also the elders during Harald’s flashback too and how they are seemingly shady af

[ashen perch]

People think he'll join unlike Harald but I think he's also going to oppose him

[stone tulip]

I still doubt it’s her and I suspect it’s someone completely new tbh

[leaden rivet]

Wait I don’t get the correlation

Oh is this you saying Shira is Mosa

[sage temple]

Yeah I thought that too but now that Mosa could've been hurt by BB I'm unsure

[blazing depot]

I don’t think it’s Shirahoshi

But it’s a good twist

[ashen perch]

Yea Illya

[hot cairn]

you think Loki wont stay in Elbaph?

[stone tulip]

Like i had seen theories about Shirahoshi, Vivi, Eris, Ida, and even Jarul being Mosa but personally I think it’s completely new character tbh.

[digital spear]

Well she already called him about that then

[leaden rivet]

I feel like Blackbeard wouldn’t go to Fishman island himself he doesn’t really need to

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[ashen perch]

Not anytime soon

[digital spear]

I mean yeah hes going into the final war at least

[leaden rivet]

Makes more sense to send the Augur/Aokiji duo instead

[ashen perch]

Yea I'm talking about the call we saw

[sage temple]

What if Mosa is in Wano and BB is raiding it for Pluton

[leaden rivet]

Not like anyone in FMI can put up a fight

[hot cairn]

you think he's joining the crew?

[ashen perch]

Fleet

[hot cairn]

I mean yeah but that doesnt mean he has to leave Elbaph

[digital spear]

Neptune is Yonko level and has acoc now

[hot cairn]

ah right

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard going to Wano makes a little more sense but not exactly necessary

[ashen perch]

Yea I didn't mean BB personally

I expect BBP to do like 5 things at once

[sage temple]

Hmm

[digital spear]

Neptune is named after planet -> Gorosei

[sage temple]

So Vira, Marygeoise, or FMI

[stone tulip]

As co captains with Hajrudin right ?

[sage temple]

Please stop talking about that theory

[stone tulip]

Nah uh

[digital spear]

Pink continue

[tranquil blade]

It's the most likely outcome

[sage temple]

Just let it die

[tranquil blade]

You know it is

[hot cairn]

bruh is not crazy lol

[stone tulip]

I am fairly confident in that theory

[urban lodge]

It's gonna happen

[prisma idol]

I mean

If loki is joining the fleet it will be co captain

[hot cairn]

Socrates just hates Hajrudin for some reason

[prisma idol]

The fleet's crews are already set

[digital spear]

Socrates just loses his mind whenever someone says something that could slightly tarnish Loki

[ashen perch]

BB and a few of his crewmates - Wano for Pluton
Group 2, could be any of em - FMI for Poseidon
Lafitte - Marie Geoise
Kuzan - Punk Hazard for the frozen giants
No 5th thing actually but yea

[sage temple]

I'm putting my firstborn child on the fact that Loki is not co- anything with Hajrudin

[digital spear]

Hes roleplaying Loki

[leaden rivet]

Hajrudin is just so ass

[rich hornet]

Doesn’t mean you can’t join an exiting crew

[leaden rivet]

I think that might be the issue

[stone tulip]

Loki joining the Fleet is as likely as Vivi coming back to straw hats as crewmate (until the series ends when she becomes queen)

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin and Loki Will be co captains its inevitable

[prisma idol]

Thats what I'm saying...

[sage temple]

"for some reason" HE'S A FRAUD

[hot cairn]

you hate your child

[digital spear]

Well no so that cant be it

[sage temple]

THAT MAN IS A FRAUD

[digital spear]

->Morj

[digital spear]

->Froud

[stone tulip]

That has more set up than Loki joining the crew imo

[prisma idol]

We are ignoring that Hajrudin has had the best strength feat...

[hot cairn]

so? how is that relevant

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-desert-speed-idiot-mario-bros-wii-gif-4579521032062283911

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mbappe-bla-bla-bla-keep-talking-gif-5585421372457230080

[digital spear]

Everyone ignores it sadly yep

[leaden rivet]

It’s relevant because that’s why he doesn’t like him

[stone tulip]

It’s as inevitable as Vivi reuniting with straw hats and become part of the crew again lol

[leaden rivet]

He’s a bum

[wet heron]

can't wait till BB shows this arrogant prick what a real monster looks like.

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[sage temple]

yes WE are ignoring that shit

IT'S TERRIBLE

[wet heron]

Imu is gonna shit his pants

[digital spear]

Dont use that word

[digital spear]

Cope

[sage temple]

SORRIEST EXCUSE FOR A STRENGTH FEAT OAT

[stone tulip]

Like that’s how much I am confident about that theory

[digital spear]

Cant see reality

[leaden rivet]

Y

[digital spear]

Ass word

[sage temple]

THANK YOU

[prisma idol]

Its not...

[digital spear]

Whenever someone says it 5 iq point are lost

[stone tulip]

I mean he is probably going to get some sort of power up somehow

[prisma idol]

Yall mfs just want to hate on the giants

[digital spear]

Racists

I hate the op community

[sage temple]

Yeah me hating giants nice one Bluko

[prisma idol]

Sure pal

[stone tulip]

They are going through five stages of grief when Loki ends up being co captain I swear

[prisma idol]

I mean.... Liking one doesn't mean you dont hate on the rest of em...

[iron oriole]

If they're not called Loki they simply don't care

[sage temple]

I hope Hajrudin gets slaughtered to become a catalyst for a Loki Haki bloom

[digital spear]

"Youre one of the good ones"

[sage temple]

He's nothing more than a tool

[hot cairn]

I mean, how is that relevant to him joining the fleet

[wet heron]

Loki cannot be the co captain or captain

[digital spear]

I hope its the other way around 🙏🏻

[wet heron]

ever

the NGWP have their captain in HajrOdin

[stone tulip]

Too bad he will be

[prisma idol]

Its okay yall, Loki will be Domi Reversi'd saved by luffy and then join the New Giant Warrior Pirates as Co Captain

[tranquil blade]

Do you guys think if Loki had a discord account he'd have a Xebec pfp and mention Rocks in every single conversation

[wet heron]

absolute cap, not after what he has done all along

[sage temple]

Mods can we get this heretic

[wet heron]

that mf used to beat up other giant kids just for lols

[olive sigil]

If Domi reversi only works on people in their home land, hajrudin would only be effected by half his nature and will be able to fight back the transformation

[iron oriole]

The answer is, what is Hathor

[digital spear]

Im not the ones the mods are getting buddy

[urban lodge]

Good thing the giant warrior pirates have historically been led by 2 captains and Harald wanted his sons to get along

[prisma idol]

So? Ever heard of getting redeemed

[sage temple]

[wet condor]

Loki is going to rule the country jointly with Hajrudin. That's what Harald would've wanted, so that's what's happening. This also means there's a solid chance he winds up sailing with the New Giant Pirates

[stone tulip]

Pretty sure the whole Elbaf arc is about Loki and Hajrudin putting their hatred aside to unit as one for the sake of their people and fulfill Harald’s final wish

[wet heron]

redeeming != becoming co captain

[wet condor]

They should be thankful if Loki decides to become co captain

[digital spear]

Please stop hitting him with reality

[tranquil blade]

Hold on this has nothing to do with Hathor, it's just a simple hypothetical

[sage temple]

Harald also wanted Elbaph to be an affiliated country

[prisma idol]

But getting redeemed means he has a higher chance at being co captain

[olive sigil]

Do you guys think if Socrates had a discord account he'd have a Loki pfp and mention Loki in every single conversation

[sage temple]

Is that happening

[wet heron]

does ur idead revolving redemption always involve getting shot up straight to the very top

[sage temple]

No it isn't

[wet heron]

cause that's just NOT how it works

[prisma idol]

???

[digital spear]

It happened and Harald saw it was wrong

[wet heron]

that just means working together to defeat a foe

[stone tulip]

Yes we even deadass saw Harald asking these two to work together, that’s literally the whole point of the arc and even why Loki is telling the truth about the incident that killed Harald to Hajrudin

[sage temple]

It never happened

?

[wet heron]

which is not being debated lol

[trim lily]

some people really hate hajrudin

[digital spear]

Harald met Shanks in Mariejois

[trim lily]

poor guy

[wet condor]

There's really nothing to hate

[digital spear]

Stupid people

Idiots

[wet heron]

nowhere have I said they will not join forced to defeat Imu / potential threats

[stone tulip]

It’s more than that cause it also would fulfill Harald’s dying wish too

[sage temple]

OH MY GOD IS THIS A REUNION OF THE HAJRUDIN BELIEVERS

[wet condor]

You mind find him a little bland. You may not think he's that cool, especially now that Loki is around. But there's no real reason to hate him lol

[trim lily]

hajrudincon is back in town

[digital spear]

What you gonna do about it

[frigid gulch]

It’s fun to meme on him though

[prisma idol]

Hathor always has Imu on the mind

[frigid gulch]

[urban lodge]

He's had some really cool character moments this arc

[wet heron]

being a captain is considered something that can only happen once other giants forgive him and go way beyond that, do u think they would be okay with being under Loki considering how he treated them in the past.

[urban lodge]

He grew on me a lot

[wet heron]

Just take a moment think about it etc

[wet condor]

I can't lie. I've partaken in the memeing at times lol

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-enies-lobby-vs-marines-10000-gif-20035116

[digital spear]

HE THINKS HES HIM LOOOOOL

[stone tulip]

And I am pretty sure he will get more cause he is one of the center characters of this arc

[wet heron]

o mein gott

[sage temple]

On my soul I am

[wet heron]

[prisma idol]

Yes if he is redeemed and helps save elbaf and clears up his name.

[urban lodge]

Yeah for sure

[prisma idol]

I think they will be fine

[wet heron]

like even GV we got Imu rn and who's the main villian at ELbaph rn

it's not always me bluko smh

[trim lily]

i assume jarul will vouch for loki (before he dies)

[stone tulip]

Yeah Loki will 100% clear his name for sure

[sage temple]

Loki would not care to lead the giants at all

[iron oriole]

He already has been kinda

[sage temple]

If anything he'd make Elbaph his territory as a pirate for protecting it

Because the current giants are terrible

[prisma idol]

This will sound crazy but I dont consider Imu the main villain of elbaf

[urban lodge]

Jarul will get hit in the head which will make him remember what really happened and he'll clear Loki's name right before he dies

[prisma idol]

That is the HKs, Imu is just speeding them up

[frigid gulch]

Loki takes off the eye bandages at the end of Elbaf..

[trim lily]

the knights were the main villains yeah

but since imu did the domi stuff i think its transferred to them

[stone tulip]

Speaking of Jarul, wonder what the fuck happened to other elders cause odd we never seen them at all except their silhouette during the flashback, perhaps I might bring back my theory of the elders being evil I guess

[wet heron]

he will be cleared of his name yes, forgiven maybe even for what he has done etc, but dunno about automatically making them see him as a captain. Imo he would be a partner or an ally at most to SHGA

[sage temple]

If this is the case at least +100 chapters

[digital spear]

The holy knights are only the main villains if Imu leaves

[stone tulip]

That would have been so peak

[wet heron]

exactly

[frigid gulch]

I believe it’ll happen

[wet heron]

he likes to run independent

[hot cairn]

Imu aint leaving

[frigid gulch]

Unless he likes it

[prisma idol]

Imu has to leave, otherwise the SHs cant win

[wet heron]

and would be an ally to the war atleast and protect Elbaph with all his might

[prisma idol]

Thats my take

[frigid gulch]

The whole point of the bandages was cause of the “curse”

[stone tulip]

Whether Imu leaves or not I do think the final fight might be Luffy be Gunko

[trim lily]

do you not think loki will grow as a character during this arc, i feel part of the thing is him recognizing everything isnt about strength and being the top race

[digital spear]

They could drive him away

[iron oriole]

Thats good, SHs should lose here

[prisma idol]

This 1000%

[hard fulcrum]

I think you surely have to take out Sommers along the way, maybe Killingham too but he seems more competant. Then we're possibly delving into flashback territory for Gunko, given the Brook connection.

[sage temple]

And at the very least he'd tell whoever's running Elbaph like Hajrudin or whoever's the king to invest in training the kids

Which he's expressed before

[frigid gulch]

God Valley could tell us whether Imu has a time limit

[prisma idol]

Sorry I dont think they have the ability too unless luffy has some ungodly level haxs.

[stone tulip]

Both him and Hajrudin will get a lot of character development during this arc that would lead to them working together

[trim lily]

i have no idea how the imu stuff will resolve

[digital spear]

since Socrates is Loki maybe he has to grow alongside him

[trim lily]

im assuming brook breaks the connection between imu and gunko somehow

[hot cairn]

brook season

[sage temple]

He doesn't think everything is about strength or being the top race

[trim lily]

ok

[wet heron]

yeah even throughout his childhood he in a way has helped toughed up the other giants

[sage temple]

At the very least he calls Luffy a human as a facade

[wet heron]

he would def do this in a more systematic and targetted way

which is good for Elbaph and their warrior spirit

[sage temple]

You take Loki's acts as a child and act as if he's never changed for 4 decades

[digital spear]

Brook plays Binks sake and Gunko wakes up while Luffy punches Imu

[tranquil blade]

Well right now he's essentially just like how Harald was when we first saw him, except he hasnt had anyone to sway his ideas on things yet, Mosa kinda seemed like that figure but they're probably out of the arc now

[stone tulip]

Brook might play a role into that for sure

[wraith mantle]

true fuck this bitch imu

[frigid gulch]

Mosa is Rocks

[wet heron]

how come no one ranks Brook higher

[forest light]

We talking about Elbaph matchups rn?

[prisma idol]

This is why we needed more Loki focus Oda, it was to give him more character... I will curse you for changing this into a Rocks Flashback

[trim lily]

not really

[digital spear]

I do

[wet heron]

this is Brook SZN literally

[iron oriole]

Literally my top 2

[digital spear]

We can start talking now

[stone tulip]

I also think that if Vivi does show she’s very likely going to play a major role during the arc that would put the favor towards straw hats

[wet heron]

but mfs invested on the usual Nami / Robin slop

[wraith mantle]

i think mosa is a mosad agent

[trim lily]

the bigger question is what happens to the knights, do they just retreat once imu is 'beaten'?

[wet heron]

[digital spear]

🤝

[wraith mantle]

trying to play loki

[hot cairn]

there’s still time

[forest light]

It’ll go back eventually

[wet heron]

good, same

[prisma idol]

Because Brook isn't honestly that strong, and not everyone fucks with the panties joke.

[sage temple]

This is definitely the case. Loki hates Harald for making the giants invest all into education and give up completely on defense/training

[forest light]

This backstory is going to take forever

[frigid gulch]

This flashback was a tangent to show us how cool Rocks was for Loki’s development

[stone tulip]

What happens to Rocks will be relevant to Loki in future

[wet condor]

That man does not hate his father lol

[forest light]

Oh 😭

[sage temple]

Hyperboles, Musicfactor, Hyperboles

[wet condor]

But he does disagree with his decision

[urban lodge]

Loki is a tsundere

[sage temple]

Yeah that

[urban lodge]

He's not fooling anyone

[sage temple]

He disagrees with it and he was absolutely right

[wraith mantle]

it was to show us god valley

[stone tulip]

Brook is technically the third weakest straw hat after Nami and especially Usopp imo so I get that

[stone tulip]

But strength isn’t always relevant to one piece

[trim lily]

loki is a sweetheart on the inside

[frigid gulch]

I’m curious to see how Loki reacts to Harald asking him to kill him

[trim lily]

deep deep inside

[sage temple]

Elbaph should've invested into some strength training

[prisma idol]

We love us some tsunderes

[frigid gulch]

He’d def be shaking

[grand flower]

That’s chopper

[somber rivet]

Just for the final Boss

and the opponents of Zoro and Sanji

[stone tulip]

Monster point

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-sam-jackson-shook-shocked-scary-gif-5260044

[prisma idol]

Isnt that strong

[wraith mantle]

Can't help but feel bad for Kaido, he clearly looked up to/respected rocks and for rocks to "betray" him like that

[digital spear]

Remember when people said Loki really will stay evil at the start of Elbaf

[sage temple]

Yeah he's completely innocent

[trim lily]

me

[frigid gulch]

This hit

[prisma idol]

Hey you were the one to agree

[tranquil blade]

I remember exactly who

[austere flint]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[iron oriole]

I hope he doesn't even hesitate & just knows what must be done even though it means killing his father & likely outcasting himself

[tranquil blade]

but I knew he wouldn't stay evil for long it was a little obvious

especially when the knights started showing up

[wraith mantle]

this might explain why WB has this whole stance of never turn your back on your crew, why he hugged squard

[digital spear]

I remember some names, also the rabbit pic after this is fitting

[forest light]

My guesses for the fights/conflicts this arc
Luffy and Loki vs. ImuGunko
Zoro and Sanji vs Dorry and Broggy
Robin vs. Sommers
Usopp vs. Killingham
Brook having some moral thing with Gunko
Franky protects Lilith and Bonney
Nami, Chopper, and Jinbe save the kids
New Giant Pirates vs. Killingham’s nightmare demons (specifically Hajrudin vs. Nightmare Loki)

[sage temple]

smh my head

[trim lily]

i assume the message behind elbaf will be that there should be a moderate mix of keeping to tradition (like training young giants and having warrior spirit) while also investing in more progressive stuff, not just focusing on one

[sage temple]

Strong start questionable end

[grand flower]

Brook can just run around him for a few mins till he’s paralyzed or use his soul form to freeze him solid

[frigid gulch]

I hope he does but then resolves himself

[prisma idol]

Loki after Luffy asks him to join the crew again after saving him from Domi Reversi

[frigid gulch]

Best of both worlds to me

[forest light]

Yeah I was running out of ideas

[trim lily]

ie. perfect for a mix of loki and hajrudin's ideologies

[forest light]

Idk what Jinbe and Nami could possibly do this arc

[grand flower]

Yeah that’s the whole dynamic set up by Loki ans Hajrudin

[leaden rivet]

Why did all of them suddenly lose like 100 iq

[forest light]

I do this the NGP will fight the Nightmare Demons though

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-facepalm-lmao-gif-15446474421410342464

[sage temple]

I mean sure

[frigid gulch]

That’s what I said earlier

[leaden rivet]

Do they not fucking see the wings and him being double size

[wet heron]

I mean ... if we even add up what Imu himself said this chapter, it's evident Harald was too hung upon this whole portraying this giants as gentle creatures etc which in a way backfired cause cut to present day they are vastly underprepared even as a whole cause of Harald's policies all throughout.

On the plus side he established great relations with the kingdoms all around for trade. Imagine trading with someone like 100x bigger, stronger than u, Harald due to his nature proved they could do this without having to worry about disputes and getting attacked over stuff. So it was not all bad.

[frigid gulch]

[leaden rivet]

Ohh is that what you were talking about

[trim lily]

must be unrelated to that giant demon stabbing him

[digital spear]

"So he had a zoan all this time"

[prisma idol]

Imu drains everyone's braincells when they are around, thats why Noone remembers them existing

[wraith mantle]

i mean they didn't have a whole lot of time to process the info

[hot cairn]

why do people think Zoro and Sanji are fighting Dorry and Broggy

[tranquil blade]

There's like 3 intelligent characters in all of One Piece

I wanted to defend Whitebeard but

[wraith mantle]

and the situation was intense, being confused there is valid

[digital spear]

Because they started their rivalry indirectly

[stone tulip]

Brook may have advantage with speed which is far different thing entirely just like how Nami is more of a glass canon thanks to Zeus, this is about pure physical strength and durability here

[iron oriole]

I'd be okay with either but i just think a scene of something like

Harald: kill me Loki
Loki: i understand tears running down his face

Goes hard

[prisma idol]

Idk they were all kind of just standing around for a moment there

[frigid gulch]

My goat got 50 IQ 💔

[leaden rivet]

Eris was the only one who clocked that rocks obviously wasn’t himself

[tranquil blade]

because they're both rivals to each other so it makes sense

[sage temple]

I feel like Loki wasn't really mad about trading with other countries but moreso about Harald being a slave to the government and over-babying the giants

[wraith mantle]

rocks one shot them

[forest light]

Because their rivalry parallels dorry and broggy’s

[tranquil blade]

and also equals

[pine ridge]

zoro and sanji had a hunting competition on little garden just like dorry and broggy

[wraith mantle]

thats not a lot of time

[frigid gulch]

I mean in fairness

[stone tulip]

I view Chopper to be at least stronger than Brook for that reason alone tbh

[frigid gulch]

Eris saw his family get turned too

But ye

[prisma idol]

Im talking before where they just look at Imu stabbing and transforming him

[forest light]

Zoro and Sanji got into a similar fight back in Little Garden which was the same reason Dorry and Broggy started their duel

[frigid gulch]

Clearly Rocks wasn’t himself

[forest light]

And also what else could they do this arc

[wet heron]

yeah he got mad once Rocks was allowed to be killed etc, obviously he was okay with the trade relations.

[tranquil blade]

Fight Killingham and Sommers

[sage temple]

Rocks AND Kaido in heaven finally understanding what happened

[digital spear]

Really? Dont think he is Brook seems closer to Franky imo

[wraith mantle]

but yall act like "these idiots, if i was there i would have figured out he was transformed instantly"

[stone tulip]

Another reason why Hajrudin and Loki will be co captains

[wet heron]

must have been good to have the variety of food supplies they got.

[forest light]

I feel like those two are for Usopp and Robin

[wraith mantle]

and BM

[prisma idol]

By that logic shouldn't you scale nami higher as she literally carried around Zeus, a homie and one of Big Mom's main weapons for like 50 years

[trim lily]

usopp and robin kinda cant fight them though

[forest light]

It’s elpaph, Usopp has to get SOMETHING

[sage temple]

and WB

[wet heron]

^V

this is all new to them

[frigid gulch]

Robin can’t do it

[hot cairn]

that really doesn’t mean they’re fighting them

[iron oriole]

Thats what they always say

[prisma idol]

I mean a dude growing wings and large teeth and also getting like 3 times larger is kind of telling

[wet heron]

not for us since we just saw it happen for a while now

[forest light]

Then who else will fight them

[urban lodge]

They quite literally can't fight the knights

[trim lily]

oda made it so literally only 4 people on the island can fight the knights

maybe 5 if sanji gets coc

[hot cairn]

Loki and Hajrudin

[forest light]

Usopp is my favorite character just let me cope 😭

[tranquil blade]

Sommers works well against Sanji because of his whole thing about love and Killingham kinda has no parallel to Zoro but he does remind me of Kaku

[iron oriole]

Still waiting for Frankys SOMETHING in Egghead & Zoro's in Wano

[prisma idol]

Especially with the massive fucking demon behind rocks

[forest light]

😭

[wet heron]

Usopp got a hit on Gunko

[digital spear]

You dont think Zoro got anything in Wano?

[hot cairn]

how are Robin and Usopp fighting the knights

[frigid gulch]

Usopp talk no jutsu on Dorry and Brogy

[prisma idol]

Please do remember we dont have a counter to regen still

[wraith mantle]

i think these four enjoyed being on the same crew

[prisma idol]

We only delay

[sage temple]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO THINKS THAT'S EXTREMELY RIDICULOUS

[iron oriole]

Anything proper, i dont mean just him getting Enma & fighting etc

[sage temple]

Same

[trim lily]

yeah this is also a big issue

[iron oriole]

Talking like visiting Ryuma's grave etc

[forest light]

I feel like Loki definitely has a 2nd nika fruit or something (specifically the destruction aspect of the nika story)

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I do think I would figure out rocks transformed if he grew wings, became demonic, horns and shit, his eyes turned white and he started randomly attacking his crewmates

[trim lily]

if even rocks cant defeat the knights then what hope does anyone here have

[forest light]

When Luffy has the liberation half

[frigid gulch]

This is perfectly fine with me actually

[sage temple]

But Hajrudin has literally nothing

No counter at all to the regen

[prisma idol]

We overblow the usopp hit on gunko so fucking much

[trim lily]

oh yeah hajrudin can unlock coc

[sage temple]

No possible work around

[trim lily]

well it was cool

[tranquil blade]

A delay works well enough since we dont want Dorry and Brogy dead and the knights will probably return in a later arc anyways

[wraith mantle]

in the 30 seconds during which all of that happened you would come to that insane conclusion?

[sage temple]

That doesn't even stop it

It's moreso acoc

[digital spear]

Also got the lore about his hometown and Kozaburo and got Acoc

[prisma idol]

She doesn't dodge because she doesn't have to.

The reason she moves out the way for Jinvei and brook later is so they can take each other out

[trim lily]

yeah yeah same thing

[sage temple]

And if you think he'll unlock acoc too it's ragebait ngl

[urban lodge]

She wanted to aura farm

[pine ridge]

even that doesnt stop it

[strong wadi]

There is obviously a more permanent thing, otherwise the elbaf invasion 14 years ago would have been a success.

[prisma idol]

Trueee

[tranquil blade]

Plus you can clearly delay it enough to keep them out of comission for awhile, Xebec did it to Garling

[wet condor]

I'm not gonna lie man, I think this is an easy one to figure out

[frigid gulch]

Hajrudin = Loki end of the arc

[leaden rivet]

Yes. Both his body and mind changed completely during a single attack.

[wet condor]

"Okay that demon up there has done some shit to you"

[prisma idol]

Then why didn't Gaban use it on shamrock...

[leaden rivet]

By a demon looking guy as dolf mentioned

[wet condor]

Like he literally grew several feet, has fangs and wings

[hot cairn]

it sure isnt acoc tho, for some reason

[prisma idol]

Not shamrock sommers

[wraith mantle]

who tf is adolf

[digital spear]

Id want it for Socrates reaction alone

[tranquil blade]

Honestly it'd be so funny I want it to happen

[wraith mantle]

oh dolf

[stone tulip]

Nah, Franky is debatable like 5th strongest (either him or Robin) and most of Brook’s feats are speed related thing and often times whenever he has a fight it either ends pretty fast (due to his impressive speed) or he ends up losing to stronger opponents.

Either I think that one opening from the anime did sum up straw hats ranking pretty well cause Usopp was confirmed to be weakest and Zoro is second strongest so I imagine this is accurate.

[jade rain]

Hopefully we don't get second tier characters unlocking conq

[strong wadi]

Idk ask Oda

[trim lily]

the domi reversi also get the regen too (i think), so im guessing we'll figure it out when rocks is defeated

[prisma idol]

Guys

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[prisma idol]

Will we see Ida

[iron oriole]

Idt the hometown/family tree stuff really counts since its SBS material, casual fans don't really know that

[forest light]

I definitely think Franky is 5th

[frigid gulch]

Socrates might pull an Sb if true..

[trim lily]

when

[tranquil blade]

Idk

maybe

[leaden rivet]

I feel like Ida will have the most gruesome death we’ve seen

[prisma idol]

Die

[tranquil blade]

She could be dead or alive

[prisma idol]

I forgot that part

[urban lodge]

Garling or whichever holy knight was present 14 years ago killed her

[trim lily]

oh yeah we'll probably see ida die

[leaden rivet]

Shes really going to get fucked up

[trim lily]

im guessing some government agent does it

[frigid gulch]

How naive I was thinking Rocks would kill Ida

[sage temple]

😭

[forest light]

If Robin gets Haki she might move up but right now her fighting style is mostly easily countered by non fodder

[frigid gulch]

[stone tulip]

I meant in physical strength, Nami is definitely more of a glass canon like she has one of strongest ap out of the straw hats through Zeus alone.

[urban lodge]

I hate Oda so much

[sage temple]

BLACKBEARD KILLS ERIS

[prisma idol]

Does Herald kill her during his rampage

[urban lodge]

This was so good

[trim lily]

i could see this

[frigid gulch]

Rocks would never

[tranquil blade]

Hey Rocks is an asshole but he has standards

[trim lily]

since ida is assumedly alive before harald turns

[sage temple]

Ida doesn't live in the castle

[frigid gulch]

It’d completely break his friendship

[prisma idol]

We didn't get it with rocks so surely oda does it to Herald to make him tragic

[sage temple]

It all happened in the castle

[iron oriole]

I hope Ida doesn't die horribly

[frigid gulch]

So yea

[forest light]

Oh yeah ida

Forgot about her

[tranquil blade]

It's kinda funny because Luffy has worked with more evil people than Xebec before

[sage temple]

Loki kept Harald pretty controlled 14 years ago ngl

[prisma idol]

She doesn't have to to die to herald

All she has to do is visit

[leaden rivet]

Ida is way too kind to not have the most tragic death possible

[stone tulip]

I mean he did oneshot a vice admiral and had good showcase during egghead so it isn’t far fetched but at the same time I can see why people think Robin is 5th strongest too hence why I said debatable

[trim lily]

yeah ida dying is the perfect trigger to set loki off even more

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-ray-bradbury-ray-bradbury-theater-face-shadow-gif-11676095507174286855

[frigid gulch]

That’s another thing yea

[sage temple]

Oda wouldn't do that

[urban lodge]

She offers him juice one final time just before dying

[sage temple]

Right

[forest light]

Franky never has a bad arc it’s insane

[frigid gulch]

It’s clear Loki was warming up to Ida

[trim lily]

when did he sail away again?

[austere flint]

Damn. WB did not even use his Murakumogiri to block Rocks.

[wraith mantle]

rocks dies next chapter

[frigid gulch]

So his reaction would be interesting

[prisma idol]

ESPECIALLY IF THEY GOT CLOSER OVER THE YEARS AFTER ROCKS DIES AND HERALD DOES MORE WORK WITH THE WG

[tranquil blade]

14 years ago

[stone tulip]

He is underrated so

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[trim lily]

oh so right after harald's death

[tranquil blade]

Like right after Harald dies

[prisma idol]

Sorry didn't mean to type in all caps

[forest light]

I think this fight will last two chapters

[wraith mantle]

LMAO

[iron oriole]

Yeah instantly

[sage temple]

Oda wouldn't do that..

[forest light]

One I feel is too short

[iron oriole]

Killed Harald & fled

[prisma idol]

Ida told him to run...

[wraith mantle]

buddy this fight will end next chapter

[forest light]

We also have people like John’s storyline to wrap up still

[prisma idol]

Trust

[wraith mantle]

one way or another

[forest light]

Where did he run off to

[trim lily]

im very curious why jarul didnt cover for loki at all after harald's death

[tranquil blade]

If Demon Harald kills Ida...

[trim lily]

unless he just didnt rememebr what happened

[iron oriole]

I think he went chasing whoever stole the DF

[tranquil blade]

That might do it

[prisma idol]

That damn sword

[wraith mantle]

my money is on garling or lunko sneaking rocks

[urban lodge]

He's brain damaged

[trim lily]

oh yeah his brain damage was then

nevermind

[forest light]

Ok I’ll remember this and if I’m wrong I’ll apologize

[pine ridge]

he forgor due to the sword

[forest light]

I just don’t see it taking one chapter to defeat Demon Rocks

[trim lily]

i think it will

[iron oriole]

Could be Loki told Jarul to blame him, as a way to deflect from Harald turning

[forest light]

Even with Garp and Roger there

[frigid gulch]

It’s flashback piece

[trim lily]

at most it bleeds into 2

[iron oriole]

To save his image

[wraith mantle]

i guess rocks will resist and like "allow them" to kill him

[tranquil blade]

Realisitically it should take like 30 chapters but we dont have time for that

[stone tulip]

Anyways crazy is Vivi fans are eating good this week and next one first we get the sbs about her future and now we are getting her shutting Morgans up in next episode, so cool.

[frigid gulch]

At best I think it can carry over into the next one

[forest light]

Isn’t the whole thing that he can’t resist

[trim lily]

shoutout to lesbian newsgirl i forget the name of

[wraith mantle]

hes clearly strong willed and was able to communicate with roger somehow

[leaden rivet]

I’ll be so upset if the reason they never talk about rocks is because they deadass think he betrayed them and tried to kill them

[prisma idol]

Also if Loki is blamed for Ida too, it would make even more sense why Hajrudin would want that mf dead

[stone tulip]

Chinode

[tranquil blade]

You know

[forest light]

Voice of all things is different than actually resisting domi reversi

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elbaph-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-7921250111547198384

[wraith mantle]

nigga you act like you know how either of these two things work

[forest light]

If he could resist he would have done that against Eris and Teach

[trim lily]

xebec seems to have retained some of his mind

[wet condor]

It's actually crazy

[trim lily]

so hes resisting a bit

[forest light]

😭

[frigid gulch]

He is going berserk

[wraith mantle]

thats a good point actually

[digital spear]

Feel like this scene is just random

I think Oda doesnt think too hard on this and pairs up Chopper with Nami and Usopp most of the time, and Brook with Franky Robin or even Jinbei recently. We just dont see Brooks strength often cuz he gets little to do

[sage temple]

Peak

[frigid gulch]

But maybe the fact that he almost ended them is why

Idk

[austere flint]

Goated manga

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if he knows he didn't kill them

[prisma idol]

I'm never wrong

[wet condor]

Like they couldn't figure out that he's had something done to him?

[urban lodge]

It's so fucking dumb if they don't even question it and just think he betrayed them

[wet condor]

LMAO

[wraith mantle]

or maybe he made a deal with imu

[leaden rivet]

Big mom questioned it a bit

But Whitebeard is just a fucking moron

[urban lodge]

Not enough

[frigid gulch]

Whitebeard brain downscale

[wet condor]

We don't know if it's leading to that but I will throw my head back laughing

[digital spear]

Also I think Robin might be stronger than Franky so this gif isnt accurate anyway imo

[prisma idol]

The rocks pirates were dumb bums....

[iron oriole]

They legit just saw him get "stabbed" too & were like "!!!"

[tranquil blade]

The thing is he mentally is there he just cant control what he says or does anymore

[frigid gulch]

I thought the “…” he noticed but

He probably knows now

[fallen meteor]

i'm still wondering if maybe for the people there they see less of the demonic thing or whatever
because it makes no sense the dude gets stabbed falls down growns on size gets wings fangs etc and you are like
'ok so you were evil all along...'

[digital spear]

I like how Rocks just says Yes

[frigid gulch]

After getting hit

[sage temple]

Whitebeard after seeing his captain 9 feet taller with wings and pupil-less eyes

Such a idiot

[urban lodge]

Yessss

[maiden charm]

Radical beam might be just enough to edge Franky over robin imo

[tranquil blade]

It's not too disimilar to how it is for victims of Doflamingo's parasite attack

[leaden rivet]

Lowkey this scene made me feel like Whitebeard big mom and Kaido lowkey cared about rocks

[frigid gulch]

Ye

[digital spear]

Its hard to scale these things anyway

[sage temple]

What if the extra s-es were because Rocks was trying his hardest to say no

[frigid gulch]

They had a bond kinda

[hot cairn]

same

[leaden rivet]

Big mom is surprising because I never imagined her being capable of caring about someone

[fallen meteor]

Yessssss(no)

[maiden charm]

Very, but he also has the air cannon and we saw what that did to sasaki

[urban lodge]

Could be

[forest light]

Rocks was basically the closest thing Kaido had to a dad

[tranquil blade]

I think Big Mom becomes more jaded as she grows older

Same with Kaido

[leaden rivet]

The only scene we have of them together really is him bullying Kaido

[urban lodge]

I don't think him being domi reversi'd was the original plan, it just feels kinda wrong

[austere flint]

Typical dad slapping his son

[tranquil blade]

They both had the potential to kind of almost be normal but this incident set them down a path

[frigid gulch]

This kinda..

[forest light]

Kaido went up to Rocks and Whitebeard and was like “Look guys! I’m a big dragon now! Isn’t it awesome!”

[wraith mantle]

and now she doesn't want anyone to leave her crew

[maiden charm]

Nah, we knew rocks was dying/falling here. Domi reversi seems like the easiest route

[leaden rivet]

I just love this panel of her

She looks so vulnerable almost

[prisma idol]

Guys I think Oda is making it up as he goes and faked the 50 notebooks of plans he has

[frigid gulch]

Oda nerfed her man

[hot cairn]

what makes you think that Gabo

[stone tulip]

To be fair the main reason why we only see Nami, Usopp, and Chopper cowering is because they are “cowardly” trio and nothing to do with their strength, but honestly I am not that confident about Brook being stronger than Chopper cause how we rarely see him fight anyways tbh.

[stone tulip]

And more paranoid I guess

[hard fulcrum]

LinLin and Kaido have, unironically, been my fave part of this flashback.

[hot cairn]

I really thought your pfp was Asta from Black Clover

[prisma idol]

Idk, Im just messing around and saying shit

[tranquil blade]

Well now all she cares about is winning, no matter how much she has to lie and betray people, and she's even willing to kill former friends to become pirate king

[maiden charm]

Brook weaker than chopper ???

Insane

[stone tulip]

Especially Kaido like bro is hilarious during this flashback

[formal wagon]

yay i got the widget feature wahoo

[digital spear]

I know but like Robin also fucked up Maria so its hard to know whats more worth, Sasaki getting impaled or all of Marias bones being broken, is Sasaki or Maria stronger (Maria has more bounty but idk if we wanna bountyscale) etc.

[fallen meteor]

words to live by

[blazing mantle]

https://x.com/s0_zrr/status/1985075409159938154?s=46&t=xqTRFjOpGPXvspMEXJrHhg

𝕾\𝕺😈👿 (@s0_Zrr)

Wip

X · Nov 2, 2025, 8:03 PM

[digital spear]

Same

[formal wagon]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah tree

[hard fulcrum]

That big epic 6vs1 panel was made hilarious when I realised the guy was just yelling "DRAGON!" excitedly, while everyone else had move names xD

[prisma idol]

ITS NOT ASTA ITS ICHI

[tranquil blade]

I find it ironic in a way that Xebec was almost a good influence on these guys despite how bad he was painted to be by everyone

[formal wagon]

i thought your pfp was asta from black clover

[digital spear]

So glue

[stone tulip]

I think that’s the case cause Chopper has monster point and most of Brook’s feats are more of speed related thing so it’s even hard to determine if he is that strong or not tbh.

[maiden charm]

That's a fair point, really depends on how her demon form can deal with the metal body

[fallen meteor]

i thought your pfp was ichi the witchi

[wraith mantle]

yeah big mom is interesting because she has two events that shaped her, mother caramel and GV (rocks betrayal)

[hot cairn]

why are you copying me mailbox

[frigid gulch]

[formal wagon]

🥚 🤕 ❌ 🎅
DECIPHER THIS MESSAGE

[hot cairn]

“by everyone” it was bootlicker Sengoku

[prisma idol]

Egg injury no santa

[fallen meteor]

balls hurt no christmas this year

sad story actually

[formal wagon]

NO

[hot cairn]

EGGHEAD ENDS IN DECEMBER

[formal wagon]

NO

[formal wagon]

YESSS

[fallen meteor]

oh fuck

[sage temple]

https://fixupx.com/A7ME6D3/status/1985111023091622165/photo/1

احمد | Mingo 🦩 (@A7ME6D3)

#ONEPIECE LOKI

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FixupX · Nov 2, 2025, 10:25 PM

[formal wagon]

2000000000000000000 one piece points to jesus

[maiden charm]

Yea but we know brook can take on big opponents and it's not like Monster point makes chopper faster, I think brook could bring him down if it really came down to it, his fight with big mom is kinda nuts regardless if he didn't win

[tranquil blade]

Well yes

[formal wagon]

thats enough to buy a small island

[prisma idol]

God valley shaped Big Mom?

[hard fulcrum]

I dunno if I'd go that far. They're all quite selfish even if some have good traits (Whitebeard) and some have closer bones than others (Kaido and LinLin). They're not unified behind their Captain, especially many of the... slightly less infamous like Shiki and John.

[hot cairn]

thanks man

[formal wagon]

owned by a former financier

[fallen meteor]

why did you make the head an injured one

[hot cairn]

I’ll buy Vira and give it to you as a gift