also-manga

[proud pivot]

Again its my assumption, we both can be wrong, its just that the name calling was too specific knowing Imu is too strong for him to beat

As for Joyboy and Davy jones its pretty evident Imu completely lets go of that nonchalant behavior and gets pissed off and again mural doesn't say everything abt the VC

[lofty fern]

Yeah and they're probably wrong. Everyone wants to look so deep at everything for no reason

[proud pivot]

fair one piece ain't no bible

but yeah Imu definitely wasn't shit back then during VC since nerona imu was like one of the ruler of the 20 kingdoms

he became the king only after Joyboy lost

[glass plume]

i really don't think that Xebec calling Imu a "rat king" is more than just a derogatory term, he is king over the rats, the rats being the Celestial Dragons

i don't think it's more than that

[lofty fern]

It's not specific if Rocks is known for calling people "rats" all the time. Viz ended up changing it to several different derogatory terms. But yeah, Rocks just likes calling people rats

[glass plume]

being a ruler over 20 kingdoms is a lot of power

[proud pivot]

so how did I downplay imu?

[glass plume]

i don't think that should be underestimated

[proud pivot]

one of the 20 kingdoms btw

rat king isn't an insult lol

its a real defintion

[glass plume]

you know what let's just drop it

i don't care enough to argue about it anymore

[lofty fern]

Obviously not since he comes out on top. Did you ever consider he was pulling the strings the whole time? Like the devil would?
Joyboy knew he was going to lose far in advance. Imu isn't something to play with.

[lofty fern]

It's both. But in this case, its an insult

[proud pivot]

Joyboy knew he was going to lose far in advance.
HC btw

[glass plume]

oh yeah, that's why he prepared the haki knot in the first place

[proud pivot]

nobody downplayed imu lol

[ashen perch]

its silly to assume that rat is specifically about the act of "ratting" when its basic dehumanizing language that a lot of people use as an insult.

[lofty fern]

Proof is all there. Maybe go back and read?

[proud pivot]

yeah I have read it nothing says Joyboy knew he was gonna lose

@lofty fern can you pull up the scan where it says Joyboy is gonna lose?

[ashen perch]

that whole Emeth conversation gives the vibe that he knew he was going to die soon atleast

[ashen perch]

but yea, CDs are like rats -------> their king is the king of the rats

[glass plume]

yeah, otherwise he wouldn't say "you're bound to live much longer than me, I'm not gonna always be around to help." this shows that he knew that he wouldn't be able to cleanse the world of evil, imo

[ashen perch]

its not complex at all

[lofty fern]

Joyboy's message to the Mermaid princess asking for forgiveness, the whole plan to make the poneglyphs to spread them around, the plan for Toki to go back in time, the plan for Lily to spread the poneglyphs after the war's end, Wano raising its borders before the flood All of it shows they made a plan knowing they weren't going to win.

[proud pivot]

BRB in 10 mins

[lofty fern]

You don't need poneglyphs or a One Piece or Laugh Tale, if you're planning on winning the day

[ashen perch]

yeah, even the One Piece itself likely is part of Joyboy's failsafe plan

[glass plume]

the ancient weapons surely are

[lofty fern]

It's like with Toki. She knew they weren't going to win back then so she sent everyone 20 years into the future

[ashen perch]

Joyboy left the fate of the world in the hands of whoever gets the One Piece because he is going to lose

[proud pivot]

pull up the scan which says Joyboy knew he was gonna lose since you claim as if its objective

don't make interpretation

just pull up the scan which says he's gonna lose

explicitly

Imma be back in 10 mins good luck finding

[ashen perch]

come on man

[lofty fern]

Reading Comprehension issue

[ashen perch]

its the reasonable conclusion that we can quite easily make lol

[lofty fern]

I mean do you know how long it would have taken to make all those poneglyphs?

You don't do that unless you mean to have to use them

[wet condor]

The contents of that one Ponegliff is really the indication that Joyboy figured he was going to lose

You can just make them as a contingency plan

[glass plume]

it feels like everything that Joyboy has left, is part of his continguency plan

[wet condor]

The phrasing of the message on that ponegliff is the big giveaway that Joyboy was going to lose iirc

[glass plume]

the treasure, the ancient weapons, the poneglyphs, Zuneshia and Emeth

Noah,

[ashen perch]

same idea here btw, giants are Giant Oafs ------> their King is the King of the Giant Oafs

[lofty fern]

And Joyboy's apology is the seal for me. The fact that he's apologizing for something he won't be able to do and knows that he will never be able to do because his time is up.
It's like how Rocks knew before this battle that he was going to die here. But Joyboy knew even earlier.

[glass plume]

yeah i agree

[lofty fern]

There were too many things put into place and preplanned prior to Joyboy's actual death. It wasn't some huge shock that sent them all scrambling

[glass plume]

Lily probably told Joyboy what would happen

Joyboy made the poneglyphs specifically for Lily to scatter them

it was probably a plan by them all along, though I wonder how Davy Jones would play into it

[proud pivot]

You know that's what you do after making a conjecture not a claim, that's an interpretation, not objective fact just like we can make multiple interpretation of Rocks calling Davy the KOTW, and Imu the rat king it can have interpretations

I can also say, its not that deep he just wanted to protect emeth knowing he isn't like a normal human unlike him

you made a claim

and you need to back it up

if that was a conjecture

it'd be alright

[lofty fern]

The ancient weapons were hidden after they caused the flood. Imu probably punished Zunesha, Emeth was sent into the future, Toki went into the future. Elbaph and Wano closed their borders, the poneglyphs were spread and someone had the prophecy

[proud pivot]

saying Joyboy knew he is gonna lose is an interpretation perhaps not even true

[wet condor]

Well what do you think he's apologizing for?

[glass plume]

wonder if that prophecy could've been something similair to the harley

[wet condor]

There's that conversation with Emeth too yeah

[lofty fern]

I did, you just aren't listening or don't want to comprehend it

[proud pivot]

Did joyboy know he is gonna lose before the war happened or when things went south? that's what op is claiming and I as an opposor to that claim wants scans which explicity states that

They didn't use the word "maybe" and "probably" lol, that'd have made it a conjecture

[proud pivot]

Did the talk with emeth happened after the war or before, you know it?

[glass plume]

you're just being difficult now, you refuse to accept anything other than a scan

[lofty fern]

Before, because Joyboy's defeat and death ended the war

[proud pivot]

Alright here me out what states the war ended with joyboy's death?
I am pretty clear it says joyboy's defeat
In wano Oden gave the message after his defeat and died later and his wife carried out with that last epic touch to it, it doesn't necessarily mean Joyboy knew he was gonna lose

[ashen perch]

The Void Century was said to have ended with his defeat

[proud pivot]

not death

[ashen perch]

I doubt he lived a moment after it

[proud pivot]

where does it say it was his death?

[ashen perch]

why would any part of Joyboy's existence be outside the Void Century???

[glass plume]

what else do you interpret his defeat as?

[proud pivot]

oden was defeated but his message spread before his death

[ashen perch]

doesnt matter

[proud pivot]

also we know nefertari lili kinda helped Joyboy at the end

in distributing the poneglyphs and possibly the one piece

[glass plume]

you mean Lily

[ashen perch]

Joyboy's existence should be limited to the Void Century or else erasing that entire part of history is pointless

his defeat must have been his death too

[proud pivot]

ok what states Joyboy died right at the precipice of the end of that year 800 years earlier?

that's the thing

everything is open to interpretation

Saying joyboy was gonna lose even before the war began and saying its objective is just not true

[ashen perch]

it doesnt need to be stated yet, its obvious that Joyboy died within the time period that the WG decided to erase from history

[proud pivot]

its your HC

Joyboy could have died or hunted later on

[ashen perch]

its canon

[proud pivot]

just like oden and his wife

[glass plume]

okay, why would Joyboy's defeat mean anything else than death

when it says that his defeat was the end of the Void Century

[proud pivot]

were hunted after the message was spread

[ashen perch]

did Kaido try to erase history in relation to Oden?

like you gotta understand how different the contexts are

[proud pivot]

yep saying that clan's name was tabboo lol

do you know how many kids would have been born during that 20 year time period

and would have been brainwashed by the teachers?

[wet condor]

So what do you think happened?

I'm just curious

Are you playing Devil's Advocate or do you have an opinion about what happened

[proud pivot]

Idk I just know Joyboy didn't explicitly say he was gonna lose

Joyboy was strong af

[ashen perch]

not the point though

Kaido failed at it, Imu succeeded

[proud pivot]

yeah 20 vs 800 is huge gap

[ashen perch]

also not the point

[proud pivot]

and still they couldn't succeed to create the "utopia"

they want

[ashen perch]

the point is that the reason why Joyboy's defeat marked the end of the Void Century is because Imu chose that as the cutoff point of the period of history he was going to erase

[proud pivot]

joyboy's defeat =/= death

[ashen perch]

ugh

[proud pivot]

its not what is explicitly stated 🤦‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[ashen perch]

if Joyboy died a year after the Void Century, why wouldnt Imu make that part of the Void Century too?

[proud pivot]

did war happened and joyboy die at the last date of the void century?

[ashen perch]

or a month, any arbitrary amount of time you wanna go with

[ashen perch]

thats what makes the most sense when the whole idea is to erase his existence

[proud pivot]

it doesn't make sense to me that Joyboy died during the war and they deleted voide century instantly later on

it takes time

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that

I am saying that Imu chose to delete the part of the history that included Joyboy's entire existence, to the last second of his life

[proud pivot]

and stop changing the goalpost, the original point was it wasn;t stated that joyboy knew he was gonna lose

why make assumption?

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-meme-notyouraverageflight-notyouraverageflight-meme-not-your-average-flight-gif-15102885231826256493

[ashen perch]

its called a conclusion

[lofty fern]

Yeah, it took time, but it happened. Just like they're about to erase Rocks

[ashen perch]

the poneglyphs, the One Piece itself, the apology, the conversation with Imu

[proud pivot]

poneglyphs was distributed due to Lili

🤦‍♂️

[ashen perch]

Joyboy prepared it all in advance

[proud pivot]

again doesn't explicity mention Joyboy knew he was gonna lose

[lofty fern]

Yes, as part of the contengency plan

[proud pivot]

could happen after his defeat no? just like Oden's wife did

Imu wasnt the top dog during VC

its explicitly mentioned that he was one of the ruler

of the 20 kingdoms

he wasn't stated to be the KOTW

[ashen perch]

the One Piece and the Poneglyphs were left in Laugh Tale as part of Joyboy's plan, we can assume this because Roger said that he left it there

[proud pivot]

he became the KOTW after VC

as simple as that

[lofty fern]

If you made a promise to someone, and you're a person who always keeps their promises, why would you need to have an entire poneglyph created to say you were never going to fulfill that person's promise if you knew you were going to win and come back to fulfill it?

[ashen perch]

Lili didnt do this on her own lol, the Kozuki Clan must've been instructed to prepare them in advance as well, again, by Joyboy

[proud pivot]

we have changed a lot of goalposts

answer my question

was Imu the top dog or nah?

that's what the OG point was

[ashen perch]

I dont think he was the king of the world

[proud pivot]

Like VP literally stated the 20 kingdoms had to take down joyboy's faction to start ruling over the world

but ppl still say Imu was the top dog during VC

like c'mon man

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/sandman_ap/status/1984938488484216921?s=46

how on earth does he know this?😂

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Oda lovingly calls his wife an “angel” and affectionately refers to their daughters as “little angels.” His wife used to drive a car made by a certain well-known German manufacturer, but she replaced it with another one 6 years ago.🎀

X · Nov 2, 2025, 10:59 AM

[ashen perch]

all publicly available information

theres not a single thing that sandman has ever posted that hasnt been publicly available, you guys gotta stop this

[wet condor]

Yeah. I don't think Sandman is actually stalking Oda but I do think it's kind of funny

[ashen perch]

he is just a superfan, I could run the same type of account

the only thing I wouldnt be able to post is a picture of Oda's studio but thats not because I wouldnt know where it is

that too is public information

[lofty fern]

Its not something they could have just "done". The poneglyphs took a lot of time to make by Wano, it took time to do that. Joyboy himself made some before his defeat. You don't need the poneglyphs if you're going to win.
There was a plan for Emeth to be sent into the future, for Toki to go into the future, and this was all before the world flooded at the same time. Wano closed its borders at this same time, so Lily wouldn't have been able to reach Wano after the war. Wano wouldn't have even needed to close their borders (which took time) if they knew Joyboy would just win the day.

[bold sonnet]

💀

Bro is living inside his walls

[lofty fern]

Any way, after all that lack of reading comprehension, we have Sandman who has way too much comprehension 😆

I sometimes think he just makes this stuff up knowing he sounds creepy

[ashen perch]

you guys have to stop giving that idiot so much attention lol, the amount of people unironically believing that he is someone special is baffling

[fast pagoda]

Sandman is the funniest person ever

[cold steppe]

Yeah that's twitter. Doesn't matter how the person looks, only attention matters

[ashen perch]

he is just a superfan, with an encyclopedic knowledge of everything Oda, his editors and really anyone connected to One Piece has said in the past. He has been doing this for like 20 years.

I remember when he was compiling them on Arlong Park, the thread went like

[ashen perch]

10 pages? maybe longer

https://forums.arlongpark.net/topic/37998/oda-s-interviews/50

ah right, actually 60 pages but its mostly other people contributing now

sandman himself hasnt posted since 4 Feb 2024

[bold sonnet]

[grand flower]

If only he had brogy and his mighty arm back then

[prisma idol]

Saying seduced means it worked no?

[grand flower]

Lolol

That’s how I always meme it

He makes it sound like he keeps getting duped into it or something

[fast pagoda]

The way Sandman randomly uses emojis is so funny

[grand flower]

“Dammit, seduced again”

[native seal]

sandman is definitely gay

we all have seen his love for oda is boundless

[vestal mural]

Japanese mentality

[prisma idol]

ﾟ　ﾟ ( Д 　)

[vestal mural]

Did you mess up or is that supposed to be the eyes popping out lol

[prisma idol]

The eyes are popping out

[grand flower]

I think I wanna draw a comedic interaction where Garp and Batman talk about how their crusades for Justice get widely misrepresented in fandom talks

[lofty fern]

💪

[grand flower]

But I don’t think I can

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-batman-bat-fruit-haki-armament-gif-13081055876519266068

So true

Batman is so misunderstood

[fast pagoda]

What would the One Piece justice league be

[tough igloo]

Urouge knows ball

[rose rune]

despite being a failure, and despite everyone laughing at him... he carries on, and challenges the strongest pirates 1v1. his fruit might be a smile, but to me, he is the realest devil fruit user of them all. keep fighting batman

[grand flower]

Superman is prime Koby

Batman is Dragon

Wonder Woman is I give up

[fast pagoda]

There is an extremely obvious answer for WW bruh

https://tenor.com/view/queen-kween-my-queen-anime-kick-gif-5671702

[grand flower]

Kokoro?

Oh

[fast pagoda]

Amazon

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/1984938488484216921

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Oda lovingly calls his wife an “angel” and affectionately refers to their daughters as “little angels.” His wife used to drive a car made by a certain well-known German manufacturer, but she replaced it with another one 6 years ago.🎀

X · Nov 2, 2025, 10:59 AM

[fast pagoda]

Jinbe is Aquaman

[grand flower]

I did think of her

[proud pivot]

how the fuck

does he know this

[grand flower]

TRUE

[ashen perch]

its public info

[grand flower]

From where?

[ashen perch]

some old interview of his lol, I have heard of it before

[wet condor]

Is Sandman some loaded early retiree?

[minor sapphire]

who is luffy btw

[proud pivot]

can you try to find it

[digital spear]

How is this information related to each other

[native seal]

its usual sandman bait farming

[ashen perch]

probably yea

[native seal]

that'll lead to people saying "how do you know this"

then boom he earns money

[ashen perch]

^

[wet condor]

I was thinking the same thing when I read it

[gloomy tree]

Sandman in the walls

[urban lodge]

Sandman definitely plays into that perception people have of him

[proud pivot]

sandman figured out the meta

[ashen perch]

he is just posting info about Oda's wife because it will get him tons of attention

[urban lodge]

He wants people to think "how does he know all this"

[gloomy tree]

Maybe Sandman cleans Odas house

[ashen perch]

damn I forgot my password and email for arlongpark forums

[wide star]

Chinjao as well .. the man who clashed with legends like Roger & Garp only saw true potential in Blackbeard then later on Luffy … Davy Jones & Joyboy Oda’s a genius

[ashen perch]

might not be able to find that interview

[wet condor]

I don't see one of those blue checks on his name. Can you turn that off?

[bold sonnet]

Glaze piece

[digital spear]

Winjao will save the day on God Valley

Acoc pinhead

[native seal]

yeah

[bold sonnet]

Ace is the ultimate victim of glaze piece

Bro became a donut

[grand flower]

@hazy turret @wet condor @digital spear @ashen perch

last night I had a dream that I was watching a movie where this lady made fun of her bfs labubu collection and the guy said “btw chill out on the bu-bus, okay?”

[digital spear]

Lmao

[wide star]

Ace gets the sympathy glaze .. since he got killed off early , Oda be trying to remind us that he was still strong before he died lol

[digital spear]

I thought you were typing another theory or analysis

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/yogi-bear-swinging-sandwich-smiling-basket-gif-12863663727299372961

[wet condor]

I still don't know what a labubu is

[prisma idol]

Those ugly ass dolls

[wet condor]

I've actually never seen one

[urban lodge]

A rabbit thing with sharp teeth

[wet condor]

I just looked it up for the first time

[digital spear]

I have a Gojo labubu

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-mad-angry-upset-labubu-mad-gif-16724722031744242663

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-gif-13383061498825842392

[wet condor]

So why did these take off the way that they did?

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-labubu-doll-labubu-dance-labubu-dancing-human-labubu-gif-1673933536225483975

[wet condor]

Is there a particularly funny commercial associated with them

[grand flower]

I think the lead is just gettin to us

[fast pagoda]

Laboon

[digital spear]

They have a song I think

[fast pagoda]

There are official One Piece Labubus btw

[grand flower]

That’s really cute I’m ngl I love that for you yc

[digital spear]

The meme is that girls like to collect them so it started the meme that boys also collect them to be performative

[digital spear]

#other-series message ❤️

It was a mythical pull

[vale heath]

What if I collect also-manga users

[pseudo gulch]

Their eyes are unsettling

Something's wrong with them

[urban lodge]

I find these abnormally ugly for some reason, regular labubus don't make me feel that way

[digital spear]

The Brook one is just a completely different artstyle

You wouldnt guess its a labubu

[wet condor]

lmao

[vale heath]

It’s the mouths for me

I want 0 of these

[digital spear]

The Jinbei fucks me up

And why is Chopper staring at me

[ornate tartan]

u can’t mess up a skeleton

[urban lodge]

It's so cursed

[wet condor]

They remind me of something else

But I can't put my finger on it

[digital spear]

Where the wild things are

[urban lodge]

The Zoro one too

His smile is too wide

[digital spear]

Of course they couldnt resist giving Law and Sabo labubus too

[wet condor]

Lol, they do resemble that in a way. But there's some cartoon I'm thinking of

[fast pagoda]

Robin's face looks so dumb

[native seal]

brook aint even a labubu

he just brook

[ornate tartan]

law got to be the most popular non strawhat

[bold sonnet]

Labrooku

[ornate tartan]

this guy even beat zoro in a popularity poll before and came in 2nd

[urban lodge]

Laboon Labubu when

[inner marten]

kid clears

kid lost to shanks because he didn’t want luffy to feel sad

[ornate tartan]

i’m talking about worldwide popularity

kid isn’t that liked

[dense haven]

fun fact: the mouth and butt form one long interconnected tube therefore topologically we are all donuts

[inner marten]

jika will return

[fast pagoda]

The most popular non Strawhat is Green Usopp

[inner marten]

the most popular non strawhat is charlos

[hard fulcrum]

I can see why. He's well written and one of my faves for it. He's the driving force for a lot of the post-TS. Though I do think that he undercuts a couple of the actual SHs. He essentially cut off a piece of Robin's dream for himself. Even as someone who likes him more than Robin, it's a little questionable imo.

Also, surprised there isn't a Katakuri labubu given... well.

[ornate tartan]

kat already is a labubu😂

[dense haven]

people try to compare kid to law it's so sad

[digital spear]

So glue Kid is so much better 😔

[hard fulcrum]

I like both as characters tbh. Both fill their roles well, though I'd actually like to see Kidd come back into the story before Law because we've had a lot of Law and there are a few things that could be fun to explore with Kidd.

[thin quest]

Law and Kid are both bums

they tried and failed

[ornate tartan]

u don’t have to be yonko level to not be a bum

man😂

[dense haven]

what is kids role

[digital spear]

Noooo if no win u bum!!

[thin quest]

both got their crew decimated and their ships commandeered

bums

[fast pagoda]

Hop off Law

[thin quest]

nah I'm calling a spade a spade

[dense haven]

law was rescued tho

[ornate tartan]

law was visibly seen alive carried by bepo

[fast pagoda]

You just saying shit

Oda used different wording

[thin quest]

needing to be rescued??? soft

[fast pagoda]

Kid was oneshot

[hard fulcrum]

In which case, isn't everyone except, like, Roger a bum? Lol.

[dense haven]

laws crew locked tf in that fight

[thin quest]

nah

[dense haven]

they earned it

[digital spear]

Poor Luffy

[urban lodge]

Even Roger isn't safe nowadays

[ornate tartan]

law has one of the 3 most important devil fruits to the plot and he has a secret name “water” which he hides just as much as the D in his name

his return is almost guaranteed

[frail cradle]

why law cuts robin’s dream?

[thin quest]

returning to give Luffy immortality with the Op Op fruit surgery? sure

[vale heath]

My secret name is Earth

[ornate tartan]

ppl just say Jika

but if he came back wouldn’t be shocked

[hard fulcrum]

Because the secret behind the Will of D. is tied to uncovering the Void Century. Now Law wants the former (and is likely to get there) and it's also more relevant for him since he is a carrier of the Will of D. She isn't.

[ornate tartan]

don’t know how tho he’s currently drowning as a DF user

[wide star]

he is and its not even close honestly lol only person to ever take Zoro #2 spot in the worldwide popularity polls lol

[thin quest]

Kid is in Davy Jones' locker right now

[tough igloo]

yeah he’s always top 5 in those polls above half the straw hats lol I guess part of that is cause most of the post timeskip he was. getting MC screen time lol

[dense haven]

chad bepo soloing the bbp and rescuing law vs heat+wire surrendering and still getting murked

can't even talk about killer

[tough igloo]

lmao Oda made sure to show the difference

Kid crew surrenders while Law crew does the opposite both against yonkos

[ornate tartan]

heat was the guy talking about sanji right

[tough igloo]

yep lol

[frail cradle]

kidd’s crew arent as good as law’s

[glass plume]

wonder when we'll get something from Cross Guilds

[ornate tartan]

Law had no chance of beating Blackbeard but u have to respect his performance

[hard fulcrum]

The difference is also to show how Shanks and BB operate, which is pretty important.

Given pride is Kidd's weakness, it was pretty interesting to see his crew, like Killer, would forsake their own pride for him. I'd be interested to see Kidd deal with some of his issues.

[wide star]

a even funnier parallel is Law right hand man saving him from the yonko while Kid right hand man got taken out by the yonko as well

[ornate tartan]

that’s the thing about Kidd

the Magnet fruit has very high destructive power

but it’s absolutely ass in a 1v1 fight

it leaves u vulnerable

[fast pagoda]

Kid will come back

Because he's a popular supporting character

[hard fulcrum]

I think Kidd's done damn well with it tbh, given the engineering prowess he has. I've seen the 'Vegapunk' theories and quite like those but we'll see if Oda actually does have any plans to throw him into the mix.

I think it's clear Law's coming back. Too popular and that Chekov's Gun of the Immortality Surgery. He's gonna at least attempt that.

[wide star]

and captain john this flashback didn’t make it any better lol

[fast pagoda]

Also I'm sorry but the way Law and Kid were treated in Egghead is stupid after Wano constantly hyped them up as leaders of the new generation

[glass plume]

what about Paulie

[fast pagoda]

If they dont come back Oda is a hack #tbh

[glass plume]

Paulie deserves a comeback

haki infused knots

[frail cradle]

captain john isnt as creative as kidd

he’s an alcoholic

magnet fruit power highly depends on its user, unlike kilo-kilo or ton-ton no mi

[ornate tartan]

the fruit also requires metal to be in the area

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-paulie-paulie-one-piece-rope-gif-25933386

[ornate tartan]

if you are out in the open with nothing around u the fruit is useless

[hard fulcrum]

I'm also sad to lose the Punk and the Tang. Those were so cool. Loved how Oda showed their destruction though, especially given the Merry.

[hard fulcrum]

Not with Awakening/Assign

[frail cradle]

you can take the metal out from ppl’s body

[ornate tartan]

Kidd had to run around onigashima to gather enough metal for the Kaido/Big Mom confrontation

[tough igloo]

Kid in the desert of alabasta would be his greatest weakness

[tough igloo]

Kid can’t do that lol he ain’t Magneto 😂

[frail cradle]

i’m just saying

[ornate tartan]

Kidd Magnet fruit has more power but Law has the superior fruit

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah, because he didn't have enough stamina to run with Awakening the whole way through but being able to Assign/Repel non-metal is hella useful.

[hard fulcrum]

Law's Fruit is one of the best in the series and that's even pointed out in the series, lol.

[tough igloo]

i think Law fruit got more power honestly .. gamma knife , puncture willie & shock willie are insanely strong

especially puncture willie

[ornate tartan]

I love the concept of fruit awakenings

[glass plume]

Law's fruit is worth 5 billion, right?

[ornate tartan]

adds to your versatility as a fighter so much

[tough igloo]

yeah

[frail cradle]

how come its worth more than the person

[tough igloo]

cause it’s broken lol it’s worth more than every single pirate bounty except roger & WB

[ornate tartan]

immortality surgery

the Ope Fruit is also tied to the national treasure of Mariejois

[tough igloo]

thats why even Blackbeard was trying to decide whether to eat Law fruit or sell it cause it’s worth so much money

[ornate tartan]

who the hell got 5 billion berries tho😂

[fast pagoda]

I wonder when we're gonna see Logia awakenings

[ornate tartan]

that’s a lot of money

[digital spear]

[frail cradle]

equals to 5 GV chests

it aint much

[tough igloo]

i thought kuzan or kizaru would debut it in egghead arc .. but since neither did im done hoping the admirals will show it first … it’ll be either Blackbeard or Sabo who debuts it imo

[ornate tartan]

celestial dragons hoarding all the money in the world

[hard fulcrum]

Cross Guild, probably xD

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/nusjuro-nusjuro-one-piece-ethanbaron-v-nusjuro-venus-venus-one-piece-gif-11382209813886610115

Godhead of Finance

Though he probably shares it with Papa Imu

[frail cradle]

5 shiki chests

is all you need

[frail cradle]

wait, this king was on reverie right?

[ornate tartan]

💀

[digital spear]

Are you talking about Charlos

[frail cradle]

no, the king who spoke below

[digital spear]

Oh I dont remember

[hard fulcrum]

I'm curious about whether Zoro will get his sword. Sandai's the only one of the three swords Zoro has that can't be pushed to Supreme by being made into a Black Blade.

[fast pagoda]

Why is Charlos hitting the kabuki

[digital spear]

He learned how to count to 5

[graceful grove]

Nami participating in human auctions noooticing

[digital spear]

"They can play tag"

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[hard fulcrum]

Luffy can walk away from a slave shot in the street when a friend tells him to... unless it's a friend that's the one shot. All bets are off then.

[digital spear]

Revenge for Bellemere

[graceful grove]

CD blood runs deep

[digital spear]

Neronami...

[frozen aspen]

https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1984938488484216921

sandman (@sandman_AP)

Oda lovingly calls his wife an “angel” and affectionately refers to their daughters as “little angels.” His wife used to drive a car made by a certain well-known German manufacturer, but she replaced it with another one 6 years ago.🎀

X · Nov 2, 2025, 10:59 AM

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[hazy turret]

Now he’s just making shit up

He’s leaning too much into the “sandman is Oda/oda’s wife” thing

Flop!

[hazy turret]

Labubus are soo September 2025

[north root]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-bar-gif-4298875606784040546

[digital spear]

August was the Labubu month because thats where I saw them in most stores, the Katabubu chapter came out and I aquired my Gojobubu

[glass plume]

huh

[graceful belfry]

[graceful belfry]

Yujirobubu shook me to my core

[digital spear]

No way

[frail cradle]

its porsche

gotta be porsche

not VW, not BMW, not audi

[digital spear]

Why not

[digital spear]

Where can I find one

[frail cradle]

rich japanese ppl drives porsche

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/porche-one-piece-nuh-uh-anime-one-piece-porche-gif-2024077515295782845

[proud pivot]

WHERE

SHOW

[graceful belfry]

It’s in #other-series

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-foxy-one-piece-one-piece-spa-island-luffy-gif-8314066586587743122

[frail cradle]

wtf, this isnt canon

[vale heath]

No it’s not

[digital spear]

It should be

The form reminds me of something

[rose rune]

real

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/zardoz-sean-connery-gif-18293084

[hazy echo]

Oh Spa Island Arc

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah Foxy will appear in today's episode

[digital spear]

Isnt there a game where its a giant metallic head like an endboss

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/mazinger-z-gif-16431903685243357636

[native seal]

today's episode will cover nusjuro slicing labostratum in half

[stone terrace]

Replacing every 6 years is kinda crazy

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[stone terrace]

Considering how rich oda is

[digital spear]

Yeah like this

[stone terrace]

He could get a brand new model every 2

[frail cradle]

bro can afford 10 bugattis

[native seal]

does oda make more than lebron james

[stone terrace]

No

[wet condor]

Definitely not

[ornate tartan]

mangaka don’t make that much man😂

[frail cradle]

oda makes more than JK rowlings?

[ornate tartan]

lebron is a billionaire

[stone terrace]

Lebron is making 50 million this year just off his nba salary

[vale heath]

https://preview.redd.it/why-lebron-v0-dh5ymk3fhajd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=f38f3bc95dc121a9ee1cf7a919607fd84b4e661d

[hard fulcrum]

He doesn't often go anywhere. He basically lives in a secondary 'office', away from his family. He's gone months without seeing them at all before now. He just WORKS

[native seal]

this world is cooked

[stone terrace]

His wife is the one driving

[native seal]

we got sophie rain closer to lebron's salary than oda

[stone terrace]

Hes just the breadwinner

[ashen perch]

he is underpaid as hell for the success the series has really

[native seal]

last time i checked sophie rain couldnt write some peak like one piece

[wet condor]

I figured Toriyama would also be richer than what he was

Oda is about as rich as I expected

[onyx pasture]

Oda could probably make his own publishing company without Shonen and be fine if it weren't for some legal crap they probably got

[ashen perch]

I dont think we have a solid figure on his networth, not a recent one

[digital spear]

SOPHIE RAIN IS A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN AND SHE CAN DO ANYTHING SHE BELIEVES IN

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah. Plus, I bet SJ will have other writers try to continue OP afterwards. Even if it's just light novels and shorter stories. It's too valuable to them.

[digital spear]

Jk I dont know who Sophie Rain is

[onyx pasture]

Yeah that's the trap of Shonen, its easy to get your foot in the door but if it's successful then you ain't ever getting out

[ashen perch]

[digital spear]

Oh great its onlyfans

[dense haven]

it's not made by oda what's even the point

[hard fulcrum]

I am praying we don't get some 'Buffy the Next Generation' type thing. I don't gaf about the SH's potential kids because they're not the SHs.

[wet condor]

Living in Japan with how much money Oda has though

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/bLnRylrbsak.gif

[ashen perch]

an estimated ¥3.1 billion (US$23 million) per year back in 2012, no clue now

[digital spear]

If you all know about her that makes you more sus...

[wet condor]

I saw a 200-300 mil figure

For total net

[hazy turret]

Who?

[ashen perch]

its madeup I am pretty sure

[stone terrace]

I dont envy oda

He cant enjoy his money

[onyx pasture]

I would absolutely hate that like that's just pissing on odas vision at that point

[wet condor]

I saw it like two or 3 years ago

[ashen perch]

wait actually I think there was an interview

[digital spear]

Oda is doing that himself

[ashen perch]

the one where he addressed the rumor that he had an atm in his house lol

[hazy turret]

Bro still believes interviews

[digital spear]

I hope all the strawhats marry and have kids which other

[hard fulcrum]

So much of the series has been about chosen family and how blood bonds and legacies can destroy people too.

[urban lodge]

Buffy is inevitable

[digital spear]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[ashen perch]

okay yea, we do have a figure, its 280M

[urban lodge]

But it won't be written by Oda

[digital spear]

Doesnt matter for Oda he needs more money

[dense haven]

I will not be reading

[glass plume]

i need money

[hazy turret]

I think that’s adequate

[digital spear]

"Oda would never do that" yes he will

[wet condor]

You've not only said it once, but twice within a week

YC...

[dense haven]

I'd rather read boruto

[digital spear]

I will say it as often as I need to

[wet condor]

Then you wouldn't've had said it all

You need to say it 0 times

[hazy turret]

Literally what is one person going to do with all that money

[digital spear]

True cuz it will be real anyway

[glass plume]

rot

[native seal]

i'd trick my friends out for sure

i love gift giving

[alpine trench]

An hour and a half to go for the chapter, excited

[dense haven]

eat the rich

[digital spear]

Idk give it all to me so I can check it out

[ashen perch]

Oda might do Toriyama-esque OP movies after the series ends but we're not getting a proper sequel

[digital spear]

1165 already out LETS GOOO

[glass plume]

Void Century movie 🙏

[hazy turret]

One shots/spin offs or bust

[stone terrace]

First id buy a yacht, then id buy a smaller yacht to make that one look bigger

[digital spear]

Every other shonen has sequels im sorry

[hard fulcrum]

Toriyama wanted Dragonball to end with Goku's death. I'm still half-convinced OP will end with Luffy's.

[digital spear]

I just hope by that time we are all gone

[wet condor]

I hope Oda doesn't pass the torch

But his decision

I won't be reading

[stone terrace]

Oda could tell them he doesnt want it and itd still happen

[digital spear]

I will force everyone here to read it too

[native seal]

ishizuka is so goated

[ornate tartan]

does oda have a successor like Toriyama did with Toyotarou

[graceful belfry]

Clockwork Orange style 👁️

[proud pivot]

Arisuun

[graceful belfry]

Don’t think so lol

[glass plume]

Oda has to have some sort of successor as a failsafe in case of things going down hill

[hard fulcrum]

Half the people inspired by him have started and finished their own works within OP's run.

[graceful belfry]

Imagine, Gege Akutami

[ashen perch]

I mean its possible that Oda just closes any path for a sequel with the way he ends the series

[digital spear]

You get me

[ashen perch]

they couldnt do anything if he did that

[proud pivot]

Onepiece would finally jump from a 6 to a 7

[digital spear]

I need a Gegebubu

[urban lodge]

Imu wins and the straw hats all die and the entire world is flooded

[wet condor]

How would you do that though?

[stone terrace]

The planet explodes?

[wet condor]

Yeah lmao what I"m thinking

Universal implosion

[barren token]

Hey guys what did we think of the chapter?

[glass plume]

solid

[wet condor]

I support it

[digital spear]

Oda: Everything explodes the end

[tough igloo]

great

[proud pivot]

Imu loves fishmen

[ornate tartan]

having a fail safe is a good idea

but oda seems like a very hard worker

he does a lot of things by himself

[digital spear]

Awful and since you asked what WE think now everyone has to think its awful

[ashen perch]

well not the planet explodes but for example, is there really going to be piracy in a pangaea world or something like that?

[vale heath]

I have a success harm instead

When I complete any task I get pepper spray’d

[hard fulcrum]

He does tell every new editor he gets the full story. Like, the main outline and where it's all leading to, at least.

[hazy turret]

Killing Luffy

[digital spear]

I have a fail harm, at my lowest point someone will kick me in the balls even more

[barren token]

Omw btw yc

[hazy turret]

It’s the only way

[digital spear]

I can always trust Cunk with these tasks

[ornate tartan]

luffy will almost 100% NOT die in the main story

[ashen perch]

theres one path that they can still take I guess, that they havent yet

and that is going to space

[ornate tartan]

maybe in a epilogue he will be a legend type figure

[hazy turret]

Bet on it

[barren token]

Neuter luffy

[ashen perch]

no matter what, space piracy will surely exist

[digital spear]

Amazonians tried to

[ashen perch]

Maybe theres a space pirate king, with a space one piece, and the island to island adventure gets replaced by planets

[glass plume]

just give us a spin off about Enel

[digital spear]

Imu was the weakest space pirate

[ashen perch]

Buffy can lead a series like that

[glass plume]

One Piece: Enel's Space Adventures

[digital spear]

His captain will be angry

[urban lodge]

The space pirate king will be the main villain of Buffy

[proud pivot]

Space pirate king is Enel

[barren token]

Space vampires

[ornate tartan]

Buffy😭

[ashen perch]

so true

[digital spear]

Space werwolves

They just live on the moon

[ornate tartan]

Luffys dream could have something to do with space

[ashen perch]

as Imu is dying, he is gonna stare at Luffy and say "just waiit till the BOSS hears of it, you will pay for getting in my way"

Imu was the Usopp of his Space Pirate crew

[glass plume]

and that's when Enel comes

[hard fulcrum]

I kinda... expect moon stuff to be relevant due to the mural, the Ark Maxim and Enel's little holiday with the robots, lol.

[digital spear]

It will be

[proud pivot]

Imu was born with a low power level and his brother arrives in two piece first arc to give Luffy a reality check 😦

[digital spear]

Oh oh oooOOO ohhh

[glass plume]

Imu turns good and is the protagonist of Two Piece

it's a redemption story

[ashen perch]

oh yea 100%

[ornate tartan]

this is a good point😂

[glass plume]

yeah

Blackbeard has no chance

[ornate tartan]

U need a lot of allies and certain things to take down the WG

BB has no allies just his 10 other crewmates

with the strongest one being 50/50 on whether he will aid or sabotage them

[dense haven]

anyone with common sense already knew luffy is the only one who can beat imu

[ornate tartan]

wakainu😭

[grand flower]

I think the point is that everyone is needed to defeat Imu. The Revos, marines, pirates, civilians. The main point is every walk of life are the pawns of the CDs. Therefore it’s gonna take their combined efforts for Imu to fall

The subversion is coming because Luffy and teach are figures of disruption, as this is ultimately a pirate manga and pirates are about frenzy, chaos, unpredictability. And Luffy and Teach are THE pirates of this fated generation

That’s why Teach is the final villain. He and Luffy don’t just cause pandemonium, their existence demands it

Teach will do what he did at marineford

He knocked down the domino that pit the powers of the world against each other and he swooped in when both sides were weakened and reaped the victory from under them

[glass plume]

Luffy will do what Blackbeard fails

[grand flower]

He’s the only one who truly won from that was

[glass plume]

Luffy will ultimately fulfill the promise of Davy as well as Joyboy

[hard fulcrum]

Mihawk essentially thinks exactly this at Marineford: Luffy's most dangerous ability is to bring others to his side.

[grand flower]

Blackbeard will take advantage of the world rebelling against Imu to steal his power, and Luffy will stop him to claim the OP, become PK, and bring in the Dawn

[glass plume]

him stealing Imu's power is so ass

that's like the ultimate crutch

[rich hornet]

It’s what BB does

[grand flower]

I think the difference will be that Nerona Imu was absorbed by the awakening of his power

[ornate tartan]

him stealing the power requires for it to be a devil fruit right?

[glass plume]

at that point why doesn't he steal Luffy's Nika power as well?

[ornate tartan]

that’s what the theory is banking on

[grand flower]

Blackbeard will exhibit its true potential by retaining his real personality imo

[vale heath]

Bika

[grand flower]

I think Imu is childish the way he is now because it’s the raw animalistic myth zoan personality

[glass plume]

Imu seems to be wielding it perfectly so far

[ornate tartan]

ok but here’s the thing tho shuron

how the fuck would u beat someone with imu powers and yami fruit

[grand flower]

Knock him into the sea

[ornate tartan]

he can turn off your powers and is immortal and can cause earthquakes

[proud pivot]

Anyway can't wait to see Blackbeard sit on the throne cus Rocks did say Davy jones was the king of the world once

[rich hornet]

Power of friendship, like always

[glass plume]

why would Imu be a worse user of their power than Blackbeard?

that's just weird

[grand flower]

What does Luffy do best? Send people flying

[grand flower]

Because Blackbeard will retain his intellect and cunning

[glass plume]

this is just a desperate attempt of securing Blackbeard as the "final villain" i'm sorry, but i don't buy it

[grand flower]

I don’t think Imu is stupid

[hard fulcrum]

Honestly, I think Imu's Reversi powers have a trick to them. Like there's a counter that becomes easy if you have the right things in place. Then the mayhem starts.

[ornate tartan]

that type of shit u can only beat w imagination😭😭😭 and ppl was wondering why luffy just didn’t keep a simple rubber fruit

[grand flower]

But I think if Imu was absorbed by the personality of the Awakened myth zoan, it’s a good explanation to have Blackbeard attain the power and be more dangerous with it

[glass plume]

Imu has their intellect as well

Blackbeard is more of an oaf than Imu is

[hard fulcrum]

Honestly, Imu is complacent and acts rashly. Imu relies on long-supported systems of power that have been slowly failing. When things get out of their control, they get petty, angry, and lock themselves away to stab at pictures of people they hate.

[rich hornet]

BB deniers amaze me. What role do you think he plays if not big bad?

[grand flower]

Yeah but I think you can justify it by saying Imu as we know him is the result of Nerona Imu losing his personality and that Blackbeard retaining his personality will allow him to utilize the fruit in ways Imu never thought of because it was just the myth zoan’s primal personality operating a human vessel

[glass plume]

i really don't like that theory personally

[grand flower]

Yeah I think this is the main thing

[urban lodge]

I think it would be absurd for him to utilize a power he just obtained better than someone who has almost a millennium of experience

[grand flower]

Imu is characterized as rash, vindictive, impudent

[ornate tartan]

i don’t mind BB being the final villian as long as it makes sense

I just think the stealing Imu power theory is bad

[urban lodge]

If anything I think he would be the one who is consumed by it

[grand flower]

Blackbeard is patient but also have you guys noticed Blackbeard doesnr hold grudges

[glass plume]

they've been in control for 800 years, of course they've become complacant

[grand flower]

He’s like the exact opposite of Imu

Blackbeard really greeted Luffy AND Ace like they could just shoot the shit after he crossed them dirty

I dunno if that’s a coincidence that it’s the complete opposite of Imu

Imu holds grudges to the point that he doesnr even see Rocks as Rocks

He’s Davy to him

[ornate tartan]

someone in this series is gonna die via drowning

[glass plume]

so? what does it matter

even if they saw Xebec as Davy, it resulted in the same

[hard fulcrum]

Exactly. Blackbeard is anything but complacent. He always has a new idea or plan to help further his goal. He's adaptable and wily.

And Shuronimo's point's bang on too. BB does not seem to understand that bonds can be prioritised over ambitions.

[glass plume]

i still don't see why this would make Blackbeard win over Imu

it makes 0 sense to me

[rich hornet]

Do you think Rocks would have failed with his prep? Because Teech has that prep

[glass plume]

i mean yeah, he did fail

[hard fulcrum]

BB will outsmart and outmanoeuvre, as he's done for most of the series.

[rich hornet]

He wasn’t ready

[glass plume]

i don't think he will

he'll fail where his father failed

and that's when Luffy will succeed

[grand flower]

I think these personality traits lay the basis that would justify this happening. It’s consistent with their characterization

Imu’s traits of being rash and spiteful punctuate his most dramatic appearances

Blackbeard’s most dramatic appearances are punctuated by his patience and he exhibits a complete lack of consideration for spite. He tells both Luffy and Ace that they should just let go of their grudges against him despite knowing what he did to them

[hard fulcrum]

Not to Imu. He'll fail against Luffy.

[grand flower]

You can say Blackbeard is more dangerous becausw he’s not as childish as Imu

[glass plume]

he'll fall to Imu as well

i really don't see why people view Imu as childish

[ornate tartan]

yeah rocks would have failed, the promised time is 40 years in the future

shirahoshi wasn’t even alive

[glass plume]

Imu is anything but childish imo

they're cruel and rash sure

but not childish

[proud pivot]

Imu just gives me the vibe of some old powerful dude who gets overthrown by a main villain

[hard fulcrum]

Luffy will fall to Imu? No. Neither of them will. BB and Luffy look to the future. Imu can't look beyond the past and will be cleared from the board before the future's road is decided. Imu is childish. Imu is not a grand mastermind, they just want control.

[glass plume]

why did Oda even bother introduce the whole 800 year intirgue then? if the main conflict of that was just going to be overthrown in a second

[glass plume]

Blackbeard will fall to Imu

[glass plume]

Imu managed to survive a war against the Ancient Kingdom, Joyboy and Davy Jones.

you're underestimating them

they're the victors of this story

[rich hornet]

That will still be resolved. Why do you think Oda spent this whole FB setting up Imu as fallible if BB is just going to lose as well

[ornate tartan]

the entire Void Century conflict with Joyboy and Imu isn’t gonna be pushed to the side like that

[glass plume]

because this is Luffy's story, not Blackbeards

[glass plume]

exactly

[rich hornet]

One piece is a story of the new succeeding the old

[iron oriole]

Tbh, Nika fruit probably isn't enough to beat Imu... we know someone with it literally failed once already

[wide star]

yeah this entire flashback has been about needing more than just Nika fruit to take down Imu

even all the legend top tiers crazy haki wasn’t enough

it’s gonna. take those two fruits

which i’m 99% sure it’s Yami & Nika since Eris survived and probably told Teach all about it

[ornate tartan]

I hope we find out what the fruits are this week

[hard fulcrum]

Yes but you don't need to be a mastermind to win. Imu clearly isn't that type of villain, at least not at this stage in their existence.

[ornate tartan]

how would we know after god valley

if rocks dies

[glass plume]

yeah sure Blackbeard and Luffy taking down Imu is plausible but no way in hell that Blackbeard will do it alone

[wide star]

the fruits that belonged to davy jones & joyboy in the past .. the only 2 people who Imu fear them returning

[hard fulcrum]

I expect something more along these lines. Or BB jumping in at the end for the coup de grace, like the way he did with Whitebeard.

[grand flower]

It’s kind of an aggregate of his scenes. There’s a simplicity undercutting some of his appearances. “I desire Vivi” because it’s simple the way a child would say it. An adult would say something with more context because they understand more contexts.

Imu is quick to anger. He loses his composure immediately when Sabo reveals himself. He immediately kills Saturn, a decision spurred from his intense short-term emotions. His decision to nuke Lulusia because it’s close is an example of his rational being undercut by simplicity. These traits come off as childish because these are things that you’re expected to outgrow.

For example, with Saturn, being upset and reprimanding him is reasonable, but Imu just throws a tantrum and immediately kills him. It’s a tantrum because Imu literally asks him a question in his rage and Saturn doesnt even get the chance to actually answer. Imu was lashing out. Childish.

Oda can reveal that Imu being rash and having so much spite in his heart, childish traits and therefore character flaws, are why he lost his personality to the myth zoan’s awakening. Blackbeard having the exact opposite of these traits, which makes him come off as more mature, can be used to justify him being able to use the fruit better since not having these traits that Imu has is an advantage

[proud pivot]

Luffy can't take down Imu alone so it's definitely Blackbeard and Luffy

[glass plume]

it's unfair to say that they aren't that type of villain, when we've seen so little from them
they could've changed tactics when these 800 years have flown by, Imu may have been the mastermind for the fall of the Ancient Kingdom, it wouldn't surprise me, they got the other kingdoms to go against the Ancient Kingdom one way or another

[rich hornet]

Even the “Mu” title is a childish way of speaking in Japanese

[glass plume]

god he is so pathetic

[grand flower]

Oh I meant to also talk about Imus spitefulness

[wide star]

they take down imu , blackbeard reclaims the throne for the davy clan , then luffy has to come back some time later and take down BB and save the world

[grand flower]

Imu seeing Rocks as simply “Davy” is also childish

If anybody held a grudge like that for real, you’d think of them as immature

[proud pivot]

Imu is kinda pathetic so idm

[graceful grove]

he make enough from Chopper plush sales

[grand flower]

Childish may not be the most agreeable word. But I think we can agree Imu is portrayed with a consistent immaturity

[hard fulcrum]

I... suspect Imu might do to Alabasta what they did to Lulusia, partly out of spite. Vivi's out of danger and that Kingdom represents an inability to control for a character that seems obsessed with gaining control.

[wide star]

this is what it’s gonna all come down to in the end

[fast pagoda]

I really think Imu is like the opposite of Luffy, but both are childish and imaginative at the core

[grand flower]

Imu, Luffy and Blackbeard are three layers of the same Oreo tbh

[wide star]

yeah i’ve been seeing a lot of japanese readers and youtubers say imu talks in a childish manner in japanese that isn’t really carried over in the english translation

[rich hornet]

Everything is pointing in this direction. The only arguments I see against are personal bias because it’s too much like an other series

[hard fulcrum]

Aside, the more I reread that fight, the more the end hits. Also, Sabo inheriting Ace's will double down with Ace's last attack being 'Flame Emperor'.

[grand flower]

Thank you for that

[fast pagoda]

Sun, Earth and Forest Gods

[graceful grove]

Rocks: Davy was king of the world
Imu: Nuh Uh

[urban lodge]

I actually believe Imu more than Rocks in this instance lol

[wide star]

oh shit i didn’t ben notice the sabo & ace last attack thing

[graceful grove]

well one of them was there

[urban lodge]

I feel like they have a distorted view of history

[wide star]

feels to me that Davy Jones was viewed as king of the world but most but not by Imu and their group

[glass plume]

Imu has had control for over 800 years, i don't think they care about how you're supposed to act if your a grown individual, they can do what they want and how they want.

also him taking out Saturn was totally valid, considering that they told Saturn to scrap Emeth and yet they didn't listen, that's a recipe to get fired, i don't think that's childish at all but a valid response from someone who reject that which they've been told, for so long too.

the idea that Blackbeard would suddenly wield Imu's powers better than Imu who has had them for so long, is just beyond my discussion, i can't see it no matter what explanations are told, that's 800 years of experience and you tell me that Blackbeard just because of his personality would wield it better all of a sudden?

i'm sorry but i can't see it

[wide star]

basically how it would be today if imu was revealed as king of the world .. everybody wouldn’t accept as their king

that’s how I view Imu talking about Davy

[glass plume]

yeah, Imu experienced it Xebec didn't

[urban lodge]

And I feel like the Davy clan would have a biased view about Davy Jones lol

[rich hornet]

Blackbeard doesn’t need to be better at his power to be a more menacing villain. Honestly, he doesn’t need it at all. But he will take his throne

[tough igloo]

yeah that’s what i think is going and why why rocks response to imu was “ why you so scared then “ and even Imu admits fate has tied them to Davy .. so i think imu and the 20 kings didn’t view davy as king of the world but majority of everybody else did

[glass plume]

i disagree

[hard fulcrum]

I'm thinking of perhaps an 'uncrowned king'. Rocks does talk about an unfulfilled promise.

[iron oriole]

I've seen someone before say Imu uses the same like kanji style or whatever as Luffy, in the sense that its like how a child would talk & not like sophisticated speech of an adult etc

[grand flower]

The idea of “I don’t need to act how I’m supposed to because you can’t make me” that you described Imu with in that first paragraph is literally a childish way of thinking tho

[graceful grove]

so Davy was considered by some to be the king of the world before but it's Imu now. adds more to the theory that Joyboy and Imu were on the same team at one point. i can see them taking down. then Imu betraying Joyboy

[proud pivot]

Imu child theories 😞

[glass plume]

seems like Joyboy wanted to be king as well, so he probably didn't agree with Davy's rule either if that's the case

[tough igloo]

yeah i think davy joyboy & imu we’re all on different sides like luffy teach and imu are now

[glass plume]

and Blackbeard thinking that he can take what he wants isn't?

[tough igloo]

Davy Jones was probably kinda crazy too like his descendants lol

[glass plume]

Blackbeard and Imu are both childish then

[glass plume]

well Xebec doesn't seem too crazy actually, compared to Blackbeard

[tough igloo]

yeah he’s not as crazy as Blackbeard but i also don’t think someone like roger or garp would agree with a world ruled by rocks either

[ornate tartan]

does anyone still believe in D=davy?😂

[distant vine]

Well he still smacked a child with a blunt Haki attack

[glass plume]

they wouldn't, yeah

[distant vine]

So he's still pretty crazy

[glass plume]

it would be pretty dumb

[iron oriole]

Child deserved it

[rich hornet]

Xebec has to be a little crazy to even try had the shit he did

[glass plume]

compared to Blackbeard, I'd say this is mild

[grand flower]

I’m saying that Imu has demonstrated specific character flaws that contrast with Blackbeard

You can remove the part about it making Imu childish. These are still specific flaws, which are disadvantages, that Blackbeard doesnt

Blackbeard has his own disadvantages, but all this requires is that Oda reveal that being rash and spiteful and impatient are what specifically makes Imu less effective at using the power than Blackbeard

Blackbeard is more shrewd and cunning than Teach

Actually Brachy

This convo made me realize something

[ornate tartan]

I’m almost certain D has another meaning

[golden valley]

In the same boat as joyboy = davy jones theories

[grand flower]

We get a parallel between Imu and Teach with egghead

[ornate tartan]

which won’t be revealed until laughtale

[grand flower]

Saturn and Pizarro both get blamed for the failures

[iron oriole]

D will just mean Dawn or Dream(s)

[grand flower]

Pizarro fears Blackbeards wrath, just like Saturn fears Imus

Imu lashes out and kills Saturn

[graceful grove]

nah Rocks is a better person than Garp. and Dragon is better than all of them and Luffy. so maybe it skips one generation xd

[grand flower]

Teach keeps a cooler head

Just saying

[glass plume]

i mean Blackbeard can't make a new on a dime, either

which Imu could as they have Garling right there

[urban lodge]

Ehhhh idk, the scope of their failures is extremely different

[grand flower]

Blackbeard can always find new subordinates

That’s how Blackbeard thinks

[urban lodge]

Saturn's fuck up was monumental

[tough igloo]

regardless of who you think is better , they still wouldn’t want a world ruled by rocks when his subordinates are literally full of evil pirates except WB

[ornate tartan]

rocks ain’t a better person then garp bro😂

[grand flower]

Remember he was willing to kill Hancock and doom his crew

[ornate tartan]

that’s a very bold take

[grand flower]

Not just his crew, commanders

[hard fulcrum]

Rocks is an asshole but he's capable of love and forming true bonds. Blackbeard doesn't seem to understand them at all. Ambition over everything... which is, interestingly another way of saying "Haki transcends all"

[graceful grove]

Gloriosa did nun wrong

[grand flower]

Blackbeard and Imu both view their top subordinates as expandable

[glass plume]

he probably would have done it, if he could make new ones who are comparable to the ones he had

[tough igloo]

Rocks only understood love because of his family , Teach doesn’t have one of those

[grand flower]

But teach thinks it through more

[urban lodge]

I feel like if Pizarro had fucked up to the same extent he'd definitely be a dead man

[grand flower]

He’s more patient

[tough igloo]

they said rocks completely changed when he got his family

[iron oriole]

Honestly... how little BB even thought about it too was crazy

[hard fulcrum]

He did. That's the whole point of WB's crew. That was a family.

[urban lodge]

Teach wasn't too mad because in the end they got Garp

[grand flower]

This isn’t really a valid argument because of what I pointed out about Hancock. Teach is willing to let them die on a dime

[tough igloo]

I sometimes wonder if it was his OG crew members and not level 6 members who were turned to stone , would he feel the same way

probably lol

[grand flower]

I don’t think so

[iron oriole]

I'd like to say he'd care if it was the OGs

[grand flower]

Exactly

[urban lodge]

Letting them die is different from killing them himself

[graceful grove]

moral of the story is if you have a grand goal like being king of the world, don't have a family.

[grand flower]

Not really, teach isn’t shy to murder

[glass plume]

if Blackbeard had Imu's powers, he'd probably let them crumble into dust just as Imu woudl have

[golden valley]

Og bb pirates got bb’s care for sure

[wide star]

yeah him & the og crew seem to actually care about each other unlike the level 6 prisoners

[rich hornet]

I think BB does see his commanders as expendable but some of them probably have key roles to his plan. Like Lafitte

[wide star]

we saw lafitte threaten to kill Pizzaro for talking about being captain lol

[iron oriole]

Definitely take it with a pinch of salt but there is some "care" there

[glass plume]

Lafitte is another case entirely, I have no idea what's up with that guy

[hard fulcrum]

Blackbeard had a family and destroyed it from the inside. Both BB and Ace had legendary, dead fathers and mothers who'd sacrifice for them but Ace embraced the love he was given and Blackbeard didn't.

[grand flower]

@glass plume oh also

[stone terrace]

Yup rocks shouldnt have had a family

Thats actually what did him in

[hard fulcrum]

Devon too, given the Saturn body-copying.

[grand flower]

Imu kills Kobra because Lily was a D.

Rash and spiteful

Kobra literally didjt do anything

[glass plume]

also for seeing him

[grand flower]

That’s IMUS fault

[wide star]

yeah the main difference is BB was never looking for a family and only joined to find a DF .. whereas Ace was acting out the way he was because he didn’t have a family and his feelings towards his father so WB being his father figure was easier

[grand flower]

Kobra asked to meet the elders

[glass plume]

the gorosei told Cobra that his death is sealed as soon as Imu stepped in

[grand flower]

Something he’s ALLOWED TO DO

Imu decided to show up

[wide star]

Teach may have never viewed WB as a actual father like the others on the crew

[golden valley]

Theyre ride or dies, waited for bb while he was on wb ship for who knows how long

[grand flower]

Kobra literally didjt do anything

[rose rune]

he asked too many questions

[grand flower]

Why does that keep happening

[hard fulcrum]

Cobra toed the party line, so to speak. I do wonder if Crocodile choosing Alabasta wasn't just about the sand...

[wide star]

i think teach did respect and look up to WB but never viewed him as a actual father like Ace did

[iron oriole]

I like to think that Laffitte is a childhood friend of BB since they're so close in age unlike the others

[hard fulcrum]

Teach asked to join. Ace wanted WB's head, lol.

[glass plume]

he probably only did so because he knew that he was his fathers second in command

Blackbeard is such a snake at the end of the day

[wide star]

right teach only asked to join so he could find that DF

[rose rune]

doesn't make much sense tho. lafitte was a peacekeeper god knows where, and bb was on one of wb's ships

[wide star]

maybe Eris told Teach to seek out WB so he could find the yami yami

[glass plume]

i don't think that Eris was alive for long after Blackbeard was sent off from God Valley

I think she dies relatively shortly after they "escape"

[wide star]

i think she died around the same time teach went to join WB … maybe like 1-2 years before he joined WB

[hard fulcrum]

And after being offered love and embracing these men as brothers for decades, he rejected it. That's who he is. Family is just legacy and ambition to BB. Bonds beyond that... he doesn't get. He asks Ace to join him at Banaro.

[rose rune]

she's still alive, she is mosa

[rich hornet]

Eris is largely responsible for who Teech is today

[glass plume]

i think she dies long before that

Teach was an orphan for quite a while probably

[rose rune]

and the burn scar man

[wide star]

i think she was def the reason teach knows so much … Eris is probably the reason Teach hobby is studying history & Oda said he would be archaeologist .. Eris seemed to know stuff

[iron oriole]

Might not be childhood friends but could have met eachother on his travels on WBs ship at a young age

[rich hornet]

Eris could be alive today

[glass plume]

i don't think she is, i think Blackbeard became the guy who he is, thanks to his own mind running a fowl with no one there to support him or leviate his thoughts

[tough igloo]

yeah i think Eris definitely put Teach on game and set him on his path before joining WB

[hard fulcrum]

I suspect Lafitte is probably connected to... whatever Brook and Gunko are connected to.

[rose rune]

law is pretending it's a hobby

[rich hornet]

Eris is as on board with the Rock’s plan as anyone. She was definitely in his ear. Teech didn’t join WB on accident, we already know that. The only thing we didn’t know is the source of his knowledge

[tough igloo]

yeah she likely told teach everything

[glass plume]

that would make it even worse

[tough igloo]

since eris herself said she won’t let the davy clan die meaning teach is likely the last one so she would put him on game

[iron oriole]

Possible since Laffitte & Brook are both from the West blue

[tough igloo]

especially since she saw what the CDs just did to her husband and herself and child

[hard fulcrum]

My guess is whatever happened with Brook and the 'certain kingdom' he served before becoming a pirate might have led to the situation Lafitte comes from. Something goes horribly wrong, Brook escapes and becomes a pirate, Gunko is made into the Blade of God, and what's leftover becomes ripe for exploitation. Lafitte is born into this situation. He rises into the 'Demon Sheriff'.

[glass plume]

so you mean that Eris is still alive somewhere out there?
she just told her child to become an orphan for 1-2 years until Whitebeard came by?

[tough igloo]

she likely died before he joined WB

Teach being a orphan when WB found him is likely the truth

[glass plume]

i'd say it's likely that she died way before that, but i guess we'll have to wait

[tough igloo]

Imu seemed to think they died on god valley so if someone found out she survived im sure they would hunt her down and that’s likely how teach became a orphan later on

Oda loves the tragic backstories

[iron oriole]

I hope Eris just dies of natural causes, hell fuck it let her die of heart break

[rich hornet]

It could be but I don’t see why the orphan story couldn’t be a deliberate disguise. It’s the best way to get on WB’s crew. Wasnt it Oden who said “he seemed like another orphan”?

I would bet on her being dead but I can’t discount the idea that she pushed him on that ship and made him act like an orphan

[tough igloo]

lmao you know oda gonna make her go out horribly .. she’s a mother in one piece after all

and her child is the main villain so Oda gonna make her death even more tragic to show stuff that pushed teach to be the way he is lol

[glass plume]

can't wait for Crocodile's backstory

[hard fulcrum]

I'm not sure. Imu does often go for control over destruction where possible. People with the WIll of D. have served the WG and others have been offered positions (Ace), even when the CD have known about their backgrounds (Kozuki Moria).

[hard fulcrum]

I have been waiting decades for his and Mihawk's backstories. First two Warlords introduced and we still only have scraps.

[iron oriole]

Ngl i think it would be more powerful if Eris wasn't this evil mastermind or whatever behind BB... hoping she's just a normal person who just wants the best for her kid etc but her child is following in the same footsteps as his father did

[tough igloo]

if Imu was willing to kill all those pregnant mothers and babies just to make sure roger child dies, they would do 100x worst for a child who’s the descendant of davy jones and rocks son and his wife .. cause imu only fears davy jones & joyboy

[glass plume]

Mihawk is probably related with Imu in some way, and Crocodile... I have no clue that's why I am so interested in him, we know that he wants to achieve an "Utopia" but nothing more than that

[robust bluff]

does this confirm kuma is joyboy?

[iron oriole]

Lol

[hard fulcrum]

That and he had to have had some interaction with the Revolutionary Army in his youth. Iva has been a freedom fighter for as long as Crocodile's been alive after all.

[urban lodge]

It confirms that Kuma is indirectly responsible for the destruction of Baltigo

[tough igloo]

so now all the blame don’t go to Sabo for the destruction of Baltigo lol

[iron oriole]

Kuma is responsible for everything

[glass plume]

yeah the secret

[tough igloo]

Kuma responsible for saving Joyboy 2.0 & Davy Jones 2.0 , saved Temu Nika with Bonney & saved the last Oharan

[rich hornet]

She’s the woman Rocks fell for. She was never going to be normal lol

[hard fulcrum]

She actually was, at one point. There are some concepts for an elderly Eris and two daughters, who Ace was going to meet at some point.

[rich hornet]

Being old doesn’t mean normal

[tough igloo]

yeah i def don’t think she’s a mastermind , i think at most she told him everything rocks knew that he told her (she seemed to know a lot) and from there BB does what he does with that information

[hard fulcrum]

Ace was set to have a nice, normal conversation with her or something and then continue on his way. Of course, she could have been fronting, though having two kids post-Rocks showed she had some capacity to move on.

[rich hornet]

At the end of the day, that didn’t happen

[ornate tartan]

eris was a pirate

[hard fulcrum]

Indeed not.

[rich hornet]

The version we get in the story is an extremely bold woman bent on keeping her husband’s legacy intact

[iron oriole]

I think she definitely could have been, i picture Eris as a fairly normal person (she's still a Pirate etc so i wont say completely) but her being fairly normal in a sea of crazy can be what drew Rocks to her

[hard fulcrum]

She may have changed (or died) in the past few decades. I expect that Oda didn't include the thing with Ace because he came up with something different and we will get to see that version.

[wraith mantle]

Why did 69 become 67?

[iron oriole]

Because i'm ngl... when the women you know are fucking BM/Shakky/Gloriosa/Stussy etc... the moment someone even remotely normal came along i'd be very interested in them

[urban lodge]

Because seven ate nine

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/masuka-dexter10-dexter-dexter-gi-fs-masuka-gif-6073014

Correct!

[rich hornet]

Rocks was as into Shakky as anyone, but Eris stood out more.I don’t think it’s because of her “girl next door” charm.

Her crazy matches his

[final trench]

Going off his live action actor (who apparently met oda) crocodile sees himself in luffy

[glass plume]

makes it even more interesting

[final trench]

So i think either he had a similar upbringing as luffy but failed

Or he was a woman who got inspired by roger, and became a man via ivankov

[barren token]

hey everyone what did we think of the chapter?

[rich hornet]

Peak

[final trench]

Ivankov known him as a rookie, and going off the sbs he was a rookie in the new world but crossed paths with whitebeard and lost

[rich hornet]

Can’t wait to read it again in 90 min

[ornate tartan]

great chapter with a potentially greater one coming right after

[rich hornet]

I’m a bit worried about the next one because Oda never shows the BIG fights like this. And how can you do it justice in a FB. We’ll see

[ashen perch]

I feel like you know already

[iron oriole]

Say the line cunk

[hard fulcrum]

That was obvious. He was once a young, idealistic person like Luffy and lost. That loss made him cynical and burned out his personal ambition. The more Luffy resisted, the more resentful Crocodile became. At first, it 'isn't personal' and he's almost entertained by it, but the more resistance Luffy shows the more it threatens to prove Crocodile's worldview wrong.

It's why Crocodile is galvanised by the defeat in a way. Why the cynicism goes away and he gets his ambition/will (Haki).

[iron oriole]

He's bad timeline Luffy

[hard fulcrum]

Basically, yeah. Then he's sorta got it together. I can't wait to encounter him again in the present.

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/seanynr/status/1984927598195986670

𝓩𝓸𝓻𝓸 ゾロ (@seanynr)

"World's Strongest Swordsman doesn't actually mean World's Strongest Swordsman"
"Red Hair owns a sword and fights with a sword but he is just a sword user, and not a swordsman"
"Actually he's a Haki man because he has really strong Haki"
"WSS is skilled with a sword but not

X · Nov 2, 2025, 10:16 AM

@scenic dirge

[final trench]

I dont think it burned out

Because goldenweek painted over him and he had a pirate coat and treasure so

I think his dream is still there

He just wants to let it go, but he ultimately cant

[urban lodge]

I love that Mr 1 wanted to be a hero

[hard fulcrum]

That was after Luffy kicked his ass. Luffy realigned his thinking.

[final trench]

Perhaps

Thats why i believe he worked with him on marineford

He didnt want another him

Bro was ready to fight akainu

[hard fulcrum]

Crocodile was incredible at Marineford. Best battlefield awareness by a mile.

[hard fulcrum]

Dude clashed with Mihawk too... and, like, everyone WG-aligned who came near, lol.

[final trench]

He wasnt playing

[hazy echo]

https://youtu.be/0MSt43hwU6I?si=KBKxMNWZR4FABEog

[stone terrace]

gandhi

oh right daylight savings happened

[hazy echo]

New trailer for the next volume https://youtu.be/z_qWsQNWSVI?si=ukAhGZHQU9C45ILY

[glass plume]

the Shamrock glaze is real

[ashen perch]

holy shit

[hazy echo]

Wait did Shamrock get a new VA

[ashen perch]

kenjiro tsuda for Shamrock

[stone terrace]

???

[ashen perch]

um

nanami

[glass plume]

sounds great

[stone terrace]

I know but why

[ashen perch]

because he sounds great

why would he have the same VA as Shanks lol

[stone terrace]

You know exactly why

[modest delta]

goddamn that was short but amazing

[ashen perch]

no this is great

[glass plume]

that shit was menacing

i could feel the haki

[ashen perch]

@sturdy steeple they chose Tsuda for Shamrock, you wanted him for Loki right? well that dream is dead

[stone terrace]

I have ideas for loki

[urban lodge]

That's so funny, bro is not even in the volume

[stone terrace]

But tsuda couldve been saved for someone else ngl

[glass plume]

just do someone from Vinland Saga

[stone terrace]

That voice specificslly

[iron oriole]

Okay i didn't think it until i heard it, but Kenjiro Tsuda as Shamrock goes hard

[modest delta]

fucking amazing

[stone terrace]

For loki

[plucky ridge]

Is that nanami's voice actor?

[native seal]

NO FUCKING WAY

[modest delta]

ye

[iron oriole]

Yes

[native seal]

KENJIRO TSUDA

FOR SHAMROCK?

[iron oriole]

[stone terrace]

This ngl could be a sign

Maybe he's shanks' replacement too

I could get down with that

[native seal]

https://fixvx.com/pewpiece/status/1984996144963797369?s=46

Pew (@pewpiece)

SHAMROCK VOICE ACTOR!!!?

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx 💖 344 🔁 51 · Nov 2, 2025, 2:48 PM

[distant vine]

Do volume trailers usually reveal anime voice actors?

[hard fulcrum]

Wow. I love that voice for Shamrock.