also-manga

[indigo yacht]

Came to me in a dream

[proud pivot]

Isn't alabasta based on India

Or is it egypt

[trim lily]

honestly only in name

[hard brook]

Egypt

[woven talon]

everything else is arab coded, but I guess that's pretty typical for things trying to get that oreintalist feel

like aladdin

[trim lily]

i guess maybe in the way loki caused trouble as a kid too

[hard brook]

India doesn’t have massive deserts

[woven talon]

and the ruins are obviously all eygpt

[sage temple]

Unless he starts giving birth to a wolf or something

[steel stirrup]

I just got Middle East as a whole vibes tbh

[woven talon]

likewise the ruins in Skypiea are all Aztec and Mayan

[native seal]

why did they do that why couldnt it be septemeber july august

they took the 7 from september

[proud pivot]

It has a big desert iirc but ig it's not MASSIVE

[woven talon]

but the modern Shandians are more like native american tribes

[ocean totem]

Because we can't have nice things

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-any-haircut-recommendations-low-taper-fade-you-know-what-else-is-massive-gif-3708438262570242561

[indigo yacht]

July and August would have to go at the end after December

[hard brook]

I did say massive

[woven talon]

and idk what the skypieans are, I guess they're original

well heaven themed

[native seal]

if it did we would have considered it normal too we cant have nice things

[trim lily]

making the julian calendar mightve been one of the best collaborative accomplishments ceasar had

even accounted for leap years

[woven talon]

yeah, I think if Oda was to base an arc on India as a focus he'd go more jungle

although india is super diverse

climate wise

[trim lily]

we are kinda running out of islands so i wonder what we'll get for lodestar

[digital spear]

Maybe he was born in that month, it was the 7th month for the old calendar

[woven talon]

id be down for an Indian, Persian or Greek theme

some classic civilization

[trim lily]

id like a greek or roman

[proud pivot]

Mihawk backstory

[hard brook]

Have we gotten a Greek themed island ?

[trim lily]

is amazon lily greek adjacent?

[woven talon]

I do want a Arthurian England theme and A Wild West theme (I know whisky peak, but eh)

[wraith mantle]

we need america themed island

[woven talon]

yeah with some elements of china I think

[trim lily]

king ham burger's island

[fallen meteor]

vira > raijin > lodestar > laughtale

whats left

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[trim lily]

oh we doing raijin now

[woven talon]

We aren't going to Raijin

it's literally the island we ignored

[wraith mantle]

wtf is raijin now

[hard brook]

Would be 🔥

[woven talon]

one of the locations following FMI

[alpine trench]

the island where there's constant lightning

[woven talon]

where it rains lightning

[wraith mantle]

oh

[alpine trench]

we saw it at the beginning of the new world

[indigo yacht]

Ok so I did some research July and August used to be called Quintilis and Sextilis (fifth and sixth month) and were renamed after the order was all discombobulated. There’s real culprits are January and February they didn’t exist. There calendar used to start in March(spring)->december (autumn) and they winter was “timeless.”

[alpine trench]

that's not happening anyway

[trim lily]

the old roman calendar was so messed up

[proud pivot]

Elbaf -> Vira -> Raijin -> Return to Zou -> Return to FMI -> Moon -> return to east blue (starting point) -> impel down 2-> Race to lodestar -> lodestar -> Race to laughtale -> Laughtale -> Final war arc -> Ultimate post timeskip arc (20 years into the future) -> the end

[native seal]

if i was there this wouldnt have happened

[trim lily]

they just threw in days whenever, depending on who was in charge

[fallen meteor]

impel up

[sage temple]

They said shakespeare was dead

[fallen meteor]

outpel up

[woven talon]

alot of the world does day, month, year lol

[indigo yacht]

It Oda was 20 years younger

[native seal]

quintilis and sextilis has more aura than july and august

[trim lily]

kinda boring names though

its just 5 and 6

[sage temple]

lol sextilis

[wraith mantle]

ngl

i want a moon arc

but skypiea is close enough

[hard brook]

August such a boring sounding month

[near scroll]

FINALLY ANOTHER SUPPORTER

would actually differentiate luffys joruney from rogers

[proud pivot]

November sounds the coolest

[fallen meteor]

add one more to each

[trim lily]

[wraith mantle]

true actually

[thick mango]

How do y'all think fb will tie to present day? Is it just about getting a preview of imu in action and context on harald death (who prob got reversed)

[woven talon]

Vivi Reunion ----> Shanks encounter (Final Lode) ---> Race to Laugh Tale ---> War Preparation period ----> Final War

[wraith mantle]

this whole thing was to explain the castle incident

[trim lily]

if you mean god valley then i dont think itll tie into it much other than affecting loki

[alpine trench]

how it affects harald and loki

[trim lily]

and i guess imu wanting to target harald

[wraith mantle]

i am sure the specifics of GV will play a role in how things develop in elbaf

[hard brook]

Worst one gotta be June it’s too simple

[near scroll]

honestly i was kinda hoping xebec kills his wife to show the power gap between xebec and imu

[sage temple]

I wonder how Loki's retelling of the Harald incident is going rn

[near scroll]

post domi reversi

yk

[hard brook]

October though, woah now that’s got aura

[woven talon]

he probably isn't, the narrator is telling us more than Loki is telling Luffy

[trim lily]

november is also pretty cool

[sage temple]

Yeah I mean the narrator basically cut away from Elbaph to talk about Harald's backstory but when we left Loki was talking about what happened in the castle

[trim lily]

can always appreciate a nice v in the name

[fallen meteor]

i prefer our august than yours

agosto

[trim lily]

augustus...

[fallen meteor]

sounds delicious

[woven talon]

Loki's version is proabbly focused to:

My dad met a woman who inspired his ideals, couldn't marry him, married my mom, my mom hated me, I looked up to Xebec, He tried to recruit my dad, he died on GV, my dad tried to bond with the WG and died, I went on the run and shanks caught me

[fallen meteor]

yeah let me have a plate of agosto with cheese on the side

[trim lily]

me gosto

sounds italian

[fallen meteor]

i mean
its all latin

[woven talon]

prediction for when elbaf ends btw?

[wraith mantle]

i wonder how the specifics of GV wiill affect harald and elbaf

[woven talon]

month wise?

[wraith mantle]

especially since harald is not present

[trim lily]

idk by the end of 2026

[woven talon]

I say april

[fast pagoda]

If Doffy breaks out of Impel Down which members do you think will come with him

[trim lily]

i dont think we can wrap elbaf up in 20 chaps

[ocean totem]

Imagine Harald sails up and is the one who kills Xebec

[hard brook]

January and February got added late patch and it nerfed all the months names, December dec = 10th month but now it’s the 12th month

[wraith mantle]

i want harald to be in GV so bad bruh

[fast pagoda]

Imu is leaving and Garling is switching in

[trim lily]

i remember a funny theory that popped up here saying harald poisoned xebec with the sake

[fast pagoda]

Yall not ready

[native seal]

i love gaming lingo being used for casual shit its hilarious

[ocean totem]

One giant Ikoku flies over from the coast and joins Roger and Garp's last attack

Vaporizes Xebec

[woven talon]

it would make more sense of Harald's friend is the one to put him down, because it's more tragic. Like WTF do Roger and Garp care about him?

[fast pagoda]

And it's from Big Mom of course

[ocean totem]

nah Harald lol

[wraith mantle]

fr, especially since rocks didn't kill eris, domi reversi doesn't seem as tragic as i expected

[digital spear]

After Chapter 1200

[woven talon]

this FB was built on Harald and Rocks, I do hope Harald is involved, but maybe it's just like Tiger and Otohime, where they have seperate tradgedies that infrom each other

[proud pivot]

Someone was obsessed with the number 12

[digital spear]

So over 30 chapters

[native seal]

that "please kill me" line would have hit 1000x harder if it came after him killing eris

[ocean totem]

See, they care as far as Xebec is a world power and worth respecting to some degree

at least for Roger

This is kinda just Garp's job really lol

[wraith mantle]

ong

[woven talon]

imagine he gets half way throuhg the fight, sees it's gone past 5pm and peaces out

[trim lily]

i was hoping rocks would kill eris but oh well

at least it wasn’t himself who prevented it

[sage temple]

Blackbeard killed her.

He is the devil

[proud pivot]

We gotta remember this is a kids manga

[wraith mantle]

i think

after zeff ate his own leg

[trim lily]

true 6 year olds are reading

[fast pagoda]

Im fine with Eris living

[fallen meteor]

😡 no eris is grafted on blackbeard's back 😡

[fast pagoda]

Ik OP is a shonen but 6 too young lol

[woven talon]

it is but some terrible stuff can happen in OP, we have canabalism and SA

[woven talon]

13 is proabbly more accurate

[wraith mantle]

this nigga should have died on gv

[woven talon]

but young kids defo read

[scarlet nacelle]

more people need to be talking bout the 2 calendars

[sage temple]

I fw his evilness but I think it's inevitable

[fast pagoda]

I hope Eris becomes evil and bitter

[woven talon]

oda answered a letter from a 6 year old

[scarlet nacelle]

it's really interesting

[native seal]

we have the 6 year old and the 6 year old's father type of people in our community 😭

[woven talon]

just this sbs

[sage temple]

Eris will die to her own son

[fast pagoda]

I also think Eris could def be Mosa

[sage temple]

Blackbeard is the villain

THE villain

[native seal]

read the last line 😭

[fast pagoda]

Socrates would you like Eris to be Mosa

[trim lily]

we’re at mosa candidate #22 now

[scarlet nacelle]

he's refering to the tidbit about skypeia

[proud pivot]

Imagine eris is mosa and loki is the one telling us about gv not the narrator cus he learnt it all from eris

[woven talon]

this was what it was like where everyone was predicted to be sabo

Barto, Gladius

Doffy himself

Belammy

Law I think

[sage temple]

I wouldn't mind it

[scarlet nacelle]

atp let mosa be an entirely new character

[fast pagoda]

People thought Barto was Sabo

[sage temple]

Niggas just saying anyone other than Shirahoshi

[fast pagoda]

???

[ocean totem]

Wonder if burnscar is going to be someone from God Valley

[woven talon]

Oda keep complicating the series instead of simplifying it

[near scroll]

i wonder how imu davy and joyboy interacted with eachother

honestly thoguht it was gonna be like joyboy vs imu but davys like another party

[woven talon]

like instead of making characters someone we know he makes them someone knew

over and over

[fast pagoda]

I like the theory Hinokizu is Imu

[ocean totem]

I don't think he can be, Imu doesn't have any poneglyphs seemingly

[wraith mantle]

i think the reason i dont fw bb is because hes a realistic villain

[woven talon]

lol "here's your poneglyph, just don't over throw me"

[near scroll]

why wouldnt imu destroy the poneglyph then

[wraith mantle]

like he can be an IRL villain

[ocean totem]

Seemingly they can't be destroyed

[woven talon]

I don't think they can be destoryed

[trim lily]

yeah they’re invincible basically

[near scroll]

hm but still i doubt imu vs luffy final fight gonna happen before the one piece

[trim lily]

only certain people can even carve it

[sage temple]

Why is Imu at sea at all

🤔

[woven talon]

begs the question why the shandians died to protect it huh

[fallen meteor]

very umibozu themed

[trim lily]

they might be stupid

[ocean totem]

I don't think they did

[sage temple]

[trim lily]

maybe they wanted to make sure it wouldn’t be taken

[near scroll]

imo its gonna be
imu vs luffy -> imu defeated and bb steals his powers -> luffy vs bb final fight

[woven talon]

they are stated to have died protecting it

[trim lily]

they can’t be broken but they can be moved

[grand flower]

I didn’t realize franky was as old as ten when Queen abandoned him

[woven talon]

and shandora fell cause of it

[grand flower]

I thought franky was like a toddler

[trim lily]

makes you wonder why he waited 10 years to do it

[fallen meteor]

idk what they are talking about but look it up
the yokai that is just imu but at the sea

[grand flower]

The wiki says they just got sick of him constantly bothering them with inventions

[woven talon]

he's younger he's like 6

[trim lily]

ah

[digital spear]

says he was 10

[woven talon]

umm

link me

[fast pagoda]

What do yall think Dorry and Brogy will do after they are defeated and freed

[woven talon]

that doesn't work out

[near scroll]

wdym

[trim lily]

who will win, the manga or oda

[fast pagoda]

I feel they will retire

[trim lily]

retire or die

[fast pagoda]

Especially since Brogy doesnt have his mighty arm

[ocean totem]

Having one arm won't stop him it's okay

[digital spear]

Okay it doesnt say it in the but in the vivrecard

[ocean totem]

Man could decapitate one of the Gorosei

[trim lily]

but this is his MIGHTY arm

[ocean totem]

Nothing to laugh at

[woven talon]

oh he is 10

hug

[fast pagoda]

But it would be cool to see Brogy with a prosthetic and he and Dorry die in the final war or something

[woven talon]

huh

how does Franky not recognize him?

[near scroll]

am i tweaking is queen actually franky's dad?? I do NOT remember this being revealed

[trim lily]

wasn’t he thinner back then

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if oda will go nuts and kill a bunch of characters in the final war

[scarlet nacelle]

this sbs question

[fast pagoda]

Weight gain

[scarlet nacelle]

just dropped

[trim lily]

sbs moment

[grand flower]

You don’t understand, he lost his mighty arm

[hard brook]

I mean sept- octo- nov- dec-, that makes sense right ? then they added Lanuary and bumbruary for the meteorology nerds

[woven talon]

guide book thing

[digital spear]

Thats the big question and I think its because both changed so much by becoming cyborgs

[near scroll]

WHATTTTT

[native seal]

we knew this 2 sbs ago

[grand flower]

Franky and Queen never encounter each other

[near scroll]

i dont READ the sbs's

[grand flower]

In all of Wano

[trim lily]

kind of silly to make him queen’s son now but neat i guess

[woven talon]

we knew from vivre cards

not sbs

now it's been confirmed tho

basically

[trim lily]

it hinted at it but it didn’t confirm anything

[woven talon]

it's how most of us accepted it lol

[proud pivot]

I knew since wano started btw

[native seal]

we can just accept it as confirmed its not a big deal anyway

oda could write 10 chapters regarding onimaru but not 1 panel dedicated to franky's origins

[digital spear]

That too but I think Franky would see Queen at the livestage from the back

[native seal]

he clearly didnt want us to care

[scarlet nacelle]

queen is most likely never returning to the story so it's whatever

[fast pagoda]

He is tho

[near scroll]

he literally said "ill have to bluff out of this one" and said "no they're not"

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/better-laughing-hanson-funny-gif-14215551

[near scroll]

OR ZORO

[fast pagoda]

Queen is coming back to join NEO Mads

[ocean totem]

Zoro's origins ain't shit

The fandom made more of a big deal about that than the manga ever did man

[trim lily]

i hope we get 5 chapters for pinzoro

[near scroll]

js a damn family tree which isnt even shown in the anime

[fallen meteor]

oh fuck dude

[native seal]

of course they would, its zoro

[fallen meteor]

is queen pinfranky??????????

[native seal]

its only normal

[fallen meteor]

oh nooo

[woven talon]

Franky just randomly challenges Sanji/ "you beat up my dad, dude"

[ocean totem]

like yeah

[grand flower]

Queen probably still looked like this and was going by Saien

[ocean totem]

But also we really didn't need it y'know

[trim lily]

isnt it scien

[digital spear]

Exactly

Science changed both a lot

Their names too

[fast pagoda]

Zoro's flashback is shorter than Senor Pinks

[grand flower]

I thought you were calling Queen science at first

[trim lily]

they both had stupid names so for the best they changed them

[fallen meteor]

whats franky's name again

[trim lily]

scien and his son flam

[fallen meteor]

cutty flam?

[digital spear]

Lmao his name is funny

[ocean totem]

Senor Pink was worth the chapters

[digital spear]

Cutty Scien

[woven talon]

Cutty Fran isn't that bad lol

[fallen meteor]

is queen cutty scien

[ocean totem]

Senor Pink was one of the best things about Dressrosa goddammit

[grand flower]

Cutty fuckin flam

[native seal]

i can understand people who dont sympathize with senor pink

[digital spear]

Yes

[native seal]

but its just your pirate life

[grand flower]

Awful name

[ocean totem]

I CAN'T

[native seal]

its complicated

[woven talon]

it's two boats apprantly

[near scroll]

and FRANKYS IS???

[grand flower]

It was his fault

[ocean totem]

No, that's why they didn't put it in either lol

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-lisa-simpson-meh-shrug-gif-4528722611274893615

[digital spear]

I dont really get why thats a thing now

[trim lily]

senor pink feeling sad about what happened to his wife then doing nothing to change

[grand flower]

Lolol

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-oh-is-that-what-were-gonna-do-today-were-gonna-fight-red-forman-gif-16369724

[near scroll]

fuck good point but likee him being related to ryuma kinda important tbh

[grand flower]

Lied to her and got her vegetabilized

[ocean totem]

Nah, not at all

[grand flower]

Got his kid killed too

[woven talon]

Cutty and Fram are both ships, so I assume oda named him after those

[trim lily]

unfortunately combining the two does not make for a good name

[ocean totem]

Despite the whole Joyboy prophecy, this for real isn't nepo piece

[grand flower]

@near scroll zoros origins being rooted in Wano is why he’s able to beat King

[ocean totem]

Zoro's doing what he's doing on his own merits

[grand flower]

Oda builds it up throughout the Wano arc

[woven talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fram_(ship)

[ocean totem]

You lost me on this one

[woven talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutty_Sark

I'd assume

never got this confirmed

[fast pagoda]

Ngl I just passionately hate the Donquixote family

[digital spear]

Queens name shouldve been Cutty Sark

[near scroll]

and my goat

[indigo yacht]

[fast pagoda]

Oda killed the only 2 ones I tolerate

[woven talon]

but he's a man of science

[near scroll]

HUH?

[woven talon]

this guy's never looked at an sbs in his life

lol

[fast pagoda]

Im sorry but Vergo and Monet dying is still so random

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/ALMIGHTYSW4VY/status/1984522571782504562

$ẞ (@ALMIGHTYSW4VY)

This One Piece shit so serious I was in da club talking bout God valley

X · Nov 1, 2025, 7:27 AM

[digital spear]

You got people flabbergasted with this

[fallen meteor]

so franky is a science dude that is also a ship dude
queen is a science dude
is franky's mom a ship lady

[fast pagoda]

Especially considering how rarely Oda kills off characters

[woven talon]

monet had her heart stabbed to be fair

i remember all the theoreis had the heart only be partially stabbed

so she was fine

[digital spear]

Did I miss something

[fast pagoda]

And Kinemon got BISECTED man

[fallen meteor]

https://x.com/KingJames/status/1978654378509877693

LeBron James (@KingJames)

GV going crazy right now!!! Sheesh 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

X · Oct 16, 2025, 2:49 AM

[near scroll]

idk bro if its in the manga i js ignore it and go to the next chap.

[woven talon]

don't think so

[fast pagoda]

God Valley has been alright so far

[woven talon]

lol

[woven talon]

I mean it's a good policy

[fast pagoda]

I love 1160

These other chapters have been hit or miss

[woven talon]

I don't really consider anything not in a chapter canon

i'll hold these tidbits are true till I hear otherwise

like i'd be okay if oda contradicted some interview

or whatever

[near scroll]

faccs

[woven talon]

cause he had a better idea

[proud pivot]

He's referring to Gabe Vincent here but it's funny to see people think he is talking about god valley

[fallen meteor]

nu-uh lebron is talking one piece

[native seal]

the entire comment is about one piece

[near scroll]

i still remember being flabberghasted at this dude looking eerily similar to zoro. with nami its normal but with someone like zoro its kinda crazy

[native seal]

imagine getting spoiled about xebec's design through a fuckin lebron post about basketball

[stone tulip]

Yeah that allowed him to understand how Enma work and was able to tame it.

[ocean totem]

No it wasn't

[fast pagoda]

Guys random question

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-gif-6048778719632959471

[fast pagoda]

Just give me names of fights yall wanna see in the final saga

[native seal]

BRO

[stone tulip]

Yeah Cutty Flam hated his own name so he changed it to Franky

[ocean totem]

Literally all of them that don't involve Usopp

[fast pagoda]

Can be anything even if its unlikely

[woven talon]

reminds me of this time someone snapped on twitter at someone saying "BTS on this movie" and the fan was like stop using the band as click bait! when they meant behind the scenes

[stone tulip]

How ? Did that exactly how it happened ?

[wraith mantle]

Usopp vs augur

[native seal]

usopp vs augur will be a sight to witness bean you're tweaking

[fast pagoda]

#thestrawhatsshouldexecuteusopp

[ocean totem]

He was given basically a manual for it from two people who were from Wano, his being descended from it doesn't really matter as long as he's still an orphan at his village who wants to use the sword

[formal wagon]

yeah but looking at it through a holliistic literary hollister community driven victorian perspective it becomes pretty undeniable that lucci has the most potential to be the true strongest. no need for bullshit fake titles.

[native seal]

most anticipated for mihawk vs zoro personally, thats the one fight oda has to do justice

[wraith mantle]

Usopp vs augur will be the most interesting fight lol
Ever other fight will have Haki and aura

[near scroll]

gonna end up like one frame man

[mighty shell]

i wanna see nami vs devon nami fights make me happy

[native seal]

usopp vs augur is a fight where future sight will play a massive role

[stone terrace]

Remember when usopp had observation haki

[fast pagoda]

I have a very niche pick

Robin vs Doll

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-alright-angry-cat-compuserve-gif-18692686

[mighty shell]

if only he could observe being a better character 💔

[native seal]

i know what kind of man you are

[wraith mantle]

Because of Saul?

[fast pagoda]

Ye

[native seal]

doll was with saul?

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-gif-8356693125066769156

[fast pagoda]

Yes

She mentioned she was trained by him

[native seal]

i see

[near scroll]

battle of the kinks

[formal wagon]

robin vs the guilt of her actions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1337528871968313404/352a27e2-4248-4a50-8d13-cd05675bd6a2.gif

[grand flower]

When King made Zoro drop his swords, Zoro started to reflect on how he got them and he processes for the first time the implications of a sword in the East Blue being made by a samurai of Wano. It makes him think of how he knew about Sunacchi, something that Momo reveals to him also came from Wano.

This is how Zoro puts two and two together and finally realizes that the old man in Shimotsuki was a samurai from Wano. This realization is what makes Zoro reflect on the lesson the old man taught him about swords, and what it truly means for a sword to be cursed. The realization that this man made Enma is what motivates Zoro to lock into his words, apply them to Enma, and subsequently tapping into the full potential of using the blade

[thick mango]

youd think akainu would have more of a grudge agaisnt robin

[fierce egret]

Is a whitebeard upscale a Marco upscale because he is his first mate?

[grand flower]

I'm not done

[mighty shell]

awesome gif

[stone tulip]

Literally every Luffy fight that had been set up for multiple arcs way back then (Shanks, Blackbeard, Koby, Akainu, Imu, etc)

Usopp vs Van Augur

Zoro rematches (Nasujuro and especially Mihawk)

Shanks vs Blackbeard

Hancock vs one of holy knights

Brook getting a memorable and great 1 vs 1 fight that he wins

Vivi possibly getting her own 1 vs 1 when she rejoins the crew

And so much more but can’t name for now lol.

[near scroll]

luffy vs shamrock

[fast pagoda]

I like all of these

[near scroll]

would be hella funny

[fast pagoda]

I still want to see Bonney vs Gunko in Elbaph

[thick mango]

sabo v akainu is another likely one

[fast pagoda]

I need that Brook 1v1 so bad

[wraith mantle]

Zoro vs mihawk will be boring

[near scroll]

brook vs aokiji

[woven talon]

retweet

[wraith mantle]

Imagine 3 chapters of sword fighting

[thick mango]

akainu got a deep grudge against dragon. I think even if he turns against the WG he wont be cooperative with revos . Hes just not the kind of guy who can appreciate they have the same goals and put that kind of thing aside

[woven talon]

surely the underworld is colder

but nah he'd lose

[ocean totem]

This doesn't have anything to do with him being genetically from Wano, though

All of that happens just by him being in the village and learning still, Kuina being from Wano is more important than Zoro himself

[rich hornet]

But what about Zoro Sanji team up vs Shiryu and Burgess?

[stone tulip]

Yeah sure he was given some tips about Enma on Wano but he true didn’t tame it until he remembered Kuina’s grandfather’s lessons about cursed sword, it isn’t about his heritage but rather the lessons he had learned when he was a kid.

[woven talon]

Wano is a frame of mind bean

[wraith mantle]

Battle of mid

[near scroll]

honestly idc who wins i js want brook to kinda injure aokiji
an attack so cold a man made out of ice couldnt withstand it

[stone tulip]

Yeah that’s pretty much how he finally tamed Enma

[woven talon]

I don't want Zoro and Sanji to have another battle for the rest of the sereis

[ocean totem]

But this isn't related to his heritage, this happens even if his family's never from Wano

[woven talon]

im sick of them being all we talk about

[fast pagoda]

I want Kaido and Big Mom to come back and be raid bosses

[woven talon]

that's cool af

[grand flower]

But it is his heritage

[stone tulip]

Thanks, it is what I really wanted to see the most tbh

[grand flower]

Zoro has that experience because his parent is the child of samurai

[fast pagoda]

Kaido as Momo + Scabbards + Yamato raid boss

[ocean totem]

It's not, it's Kuina's

[woven talon]

they won't... they may get seraphim tho

[ocean totem]

Zoro has that experience because he was in the village, his own family was never part of it

[grand flower]

It's his as well. Zoro is also descended from Ryuma

[fast pagoda]

Big Mom as Katakuri and his crew raid boss and Sanji kills her with cake

[ocean totem]

That's why through the whole flashback and lessons he get, his own bloodline is never a factor

[ocean totem]

This is a fact, it is not connected

[stone tulip]

Yeah I wasn’t talking about heritage for sure, just the lessons he had taken from the old man is my point here

[grand flower]

Zoro's bloodline isn't in the foreground as a contrast to King

[near scroll]

still waiting for the shs like nami, bumsopp, etc to power up. instead of monster trio getting another upgrade

[ocean totem]

Yeh, like him having encountered folks from Wano definitely plays a part in it for sure, it's just if we're talking his heritage, it's just a fact that doesn't come into play

[stone tulip]

Guess I cooked here lol

[proud pivot]

@native seal

[ocean totem]

Zoro's bloodline isn't even in the background, the only thing that comes from that is a couple of the samurai seeing him as the second coming

[woven talon]

man one of these is drawn much better than the other lol

[native seal]

twitter has shown GV dragon a lot of love

[stone tulip]

Yeah I get that, it’s more of him realizing Enma’s true nature cause he met his creator specifically is what made him realize this and not his own origins

[woven talon]

Dragon was one of the best things about GV

[near scroll]

gabe vincent the goat 🔥

[native seal]

everything about GV has been amazing

[ocean totem]

Yeah absolutely, he got the cheat code of having two incredibly skilled and seasoned blacksmiths basically telling him exactly how to use it lol

[native seal]

kaido has been hilarious, kuma being shown as the hero he always has been

[stone tulip]

At least Dragon succeed during god valley even if he wasn’t aware, poor Luffy wasn’t able to accomplish anything in Marineford.

[woven talon]

kaido is another highlight

kuma is amazing

Im more iffy on Roger and Rocks, but they have time

[still mason]

He did actually succeed in saving Ace

[stone tulip]

Yeah and one of them is the creator of the actual sword, it just took very long time for Zoro to realize that

[ocean totem]

Kaido basically just dicking around all of God Valley has been hilarious

[ocean totem]

Yeh, had to get his hands on the sword first lol

[woven talon]

Garp was great, but I have no idea how he stays employed and called a hero

[stone tulip]

I mean Ace still died so Luffy’s guilt is understandable

[ocean totem]

They needed a scapegoat, Garp was the perfect fall guy for the credit

[woven talon]

I assume John still gets a sizable share of the tresure here right?

[woven talon]

no he isn't, give it all to Garling

we know garling ends up being the "king" or champion

so he gets some credit

you don't need to credit garp at all

[ocean totem]

They need a public eye, Garp getting it is more beneficial

[woven talon]

just have him killed

I don't see any benefit

even if they wanted a hero to propaganize the world

[ocean totem]

Marines getting epic rep

[woven talon]

they could make anyone that poster boy

[ocean totem]

I mean not anyone

[woven talon]

literally could credit any rando marine rear admiral there

[near scroll]

akainu

[ocean totem]

They have to make it someone who can actually go and do the job, and there's no better person than Garp

[woven talon]

look at buggy

it could be anyone lol

it's marketing

[ocean totem]

He was already well known and his name could drive away pirates

[woven talon]

and even if garp was useful as that

[ocean totem]

That's the main thing

[woven talon]

there's no reason to leave him alive

he attacked imu

[ocean totem]

Tell a group of pirates Garp was on his way and only like 5 crews would care to stay around, let alone be able to put up a fight once he got there

Eh, attacking Imu isn't really all that bad

[woven talon]

him being a D. is also bad

[ocean totem]

It probably wasn't Imu's actual body even

[stone tulip]

I think it was mentioned they did want him gone but couldn’t cause of his reputation, Morgans definitely played a part in that.

[ocean totem]

A D. on their side is a great thing

[woven talon]

his son defecting, I assume noot long after this to start a rebel group

[lofty fern]

I forgot who pointed it out, but actually Dragon is a mirror not for Luffy at Marineford, but for Luffy at Sabaody. In fact, his words are very similar.

[woven talon]

that would only make sense if it leaked first

[ocean totem]

Oh that's clever

[ocean totem]

That wasn't really a problem

By the time Dragon became relevant, Garp was already virtually untouchable

Same reason people knew he was Luffy's grandfather but he wasn't punished for what Luffy did

[stone tulip]

Which most likely the case here

[stone tulip]

Yeah I recall seeing that tweet too

[woven talon]

he also raises roger's son lol

[grand flower]

That's still the series drawing attention to the fact that Zoro is bound to Wano by blood. It's directly compared by the story to King being a Lunarian.

Hyo and the Kappa realizing that Zoro takes after Ryuma while he's fighting King is just the first time the fight with King is used as a vehicle for this. The reveal where Zoro figures out that Shimotsuki was populated by samurai from Wano features the old man warning Zoro that the Navy would pursue him for being a samurai. This is immediately followed up with the reveal of King's true appearance, accompanied by exposition that the Lunarian would also be pursued

The first real clue we get that Zoro's heritage is tied to Wano is when Hyogoro teaches Luffy the same mantra that Zoro learned from Shimotsuki. It's more meaningful that this isn't just a lesson Zoro learned at school, it's him taking his culture from home with him on his journey. It saves his life when reflecting on the teachings that stem from that culture is key to him cutting steel and defeating Mr. 1. The fact that Zoro is bound to Wano by heritage just makes it even more meaningful that it comes full circle in Wano with the realization that Shimotsuki is a Wano enclave

@near scroll @indigo yacht https://discordapp.com/channels/164970986284777473/738580480437387264/1434401290087039036

If one of Zoro's parents weren't a samurai, he wouldn't have ended up in Shimotsuki

[woven talon]

sorry but have him killed and say he had a heart attack lol

[grand flower]

He wouldn't have learned these lessons that originated from Wano

He wouldn't have beaten Mr 1 or King

[rich hornet]

Garp is put in a position where he understands just how futile rebellion is. It’s a massive benefit to the WG to have a D as strong as him in their camp, who they can trust won’t bite back again

[lofty fern]

We need more Lunarians...I need more hot guys then just King

[trim lily]

hey we have shamrock now

[woven talon]

It's like the old axium says

"his name's zolo he's like a SAMURAI"

[near scroll]

shamrock vs luffy would be goated

[woven talon]

watch us get an ugly one lol

[azure wasp]

Who said all lunarians are hot

[grand flower]

exactly

[ocean totem]

It's not compared at all, though. There's no line drawn between these whatsoever. It's a cool theme you can maybe put together, but the manga has them entirely separate.

Zoro's heritage is tied to Wano by his family, but he just grew up near and with people from Wano. His bloodline is not part of what leads him to be able to defeat King, it's the fact that whether his family was from Wano or not, he was told by people from Wano about swords and samurai. Had Zoro never been from a samurai family, none of this changes, like I said as long as he's still at the village then all of this still happens.

Zoro's parents don't have to be samurai for him to be at Shimotsuki village either, it's not like every single person there was descended from the samurai of Wano. He just has to be another orphan trying to learn

But yes, if he didn't grow up with the people from Wano, he wouldn't have been taught the better swordsmanship that let him get as far as he had. That much is true. But his actual family doesn't matter here, just the fact that where he grew up was basically Wano lite

[grand flower]

The purpose of it is to add substance to the same contrast established by things like King and Zoro both making the same promise to their captains and joining their captains under the same circumstance. They both also carry their heritage with them into their fights. There is simply a difference where King's heritage is at the foreground and he lords it against Zoro, while Zoro's heritage is understated and he approaches the fight with a superior resolve

At the end of the day, Zoro lived in a Wano enclave because his mother was the daughter of a samurai

Living in that enclave gave him access to certain lessons

We see those lessons be the key to him winning crucial fights

Oda didn't need to make it his heritage but that's a pointless observation because at the end of the day, it is

"Zoro could have learned the same lesson by just being a kid who happened to be born there" is the ultimate brownie points comment

The story is that it's his culture though

[ocean totem]

Which wasn't the only way he could have is the thing. Had Zoro's family not been from Wano, him being in Shimotsuki is still a thing. He wasn't given preferential treatment for it that we ever see, he's just another kid at the dojo who happened to be a prodigy. Living at Shimotsuki wasn't dependent on him being from a samurai bloodline, that's why it ultimately doesn't matter to the story beyond one more reason to give the samurai a bit more hope.

[grand flower]

It doesn't matter whether or not that's the only way Oda could have told it

It's the only way it's been told

The reality is that Zoro knew what to do because of his culture

You could argue all day that it being his culture is incidental

"He knew what to do because of his culture" is still the correct statement

[ocean totem]

Because of the culture he was raised in, not the blood he comes from, yes. His family being rooted in Wano has no bearing on him learning swordsmanship, that was a choice he made with no mind to it at all. His family being from Wano is meaningless ultimately, it's only the fact that he was raised around people from Wano that matters

[grand flower]

He was raised in that culture because he was born to people from it

[ocean totem]

He was raised in that culture because he lived in the village, being born to people from it is the part that can change all day and never matter. He was an orphan

[grand flower]

He lived in the village because samurai decided to settle there

[ocean totem]

So long as he is in Shimotsuki, which does not require his family to have ever stepped foot in Wano, everything stays the same

[grand flower]

Remove samurai, Zoro is not born

[ocean totem]

If he were never attached to anything samurai at all except having trained at the dojo, we still have all of Zoro

[ocean totem]

It doesn't matter that it's the way it's been told, it's the factor that can change forever and never affect the actual story. Zoro's culture of living at Shimotsuki is what matters, not who his family was or where they're from. He could've been born to Charloss and nothing changes as long as he gets to Shimotsuki

The Wano influence comes from his chilhood around people from Wano, not bloodline

[grand flower]

Zoro beat Daz Bones and King because of lessons he learned from his native culture

[grand flower]

And his bloodline is why he's around those people from Wano

What's not clicking

[ocean totem]

I'm not sure, you don't seem to get that he doesn't need the bloodline to be around those people

[near scroll]

not rly he knew what to do because he grew up around ppl who valued swordsmanship his culture didnt rly help zoro develop

[ocean totem]

It's the fact of what happened sure, it is not a requirement at all. What can't be changed here is the fact that he's around people from Wano, the blood in his veins isn't necessary for that

[near scroll]

also if that was the case it would've been emphasized more throughout the story

all we see is zoro working hard

[grand flower]

The lesson that taught Zoro how to cut steel came from Wano.

Realizing that Shimotsuki village was a Wano enclave is what let Zoro connect the dots on how to tame Enma

[ocean totem]

If you want to limit it to the heritage of his childhood go for it, but his family tree isn't any kind of important ultimately to it because he learns nothing and gains nothing from it that he couldn't have without it. No Wano family =/= no Shimotsuki village, he's just truly an orphan with no meaning to his lineage if he's not born from samurai

[grand flower]

That's still factually why

[ocean totem]

And it doesn't matter, yes

[grand flower]

Whether or not it was necessary was never what I was talking about

I said the factual statement that his culture was key to him beating King

[ocean totem]

He didn't need to be related to anyone from Wano by blood, he learned because he was near them regardless of family

[grand flower]

Who gives a shit

That's how it happened

[ocean totem]

Yes, and it doesn't matter that it is

[grand flower]

like i said, brownie points

[near scroll]

still wasn't like some revelation it was thru training

[grand flower]

wdym?

[ocean totem]

He happens to be from samurai blood, he doesn't need to be for the story to advance the same, that's the whole point. Dude gets trained the same either way, that's all

[grand flower]

who cares

[ocean totem]

The topic was about Zoro's lineage being important, it really wasn't and so the story didn't really include it, that's all

Where he grew up was the important bit, the blood in his veins is just bonus for Hyogoro

[grand flower]

It's important because being from a Wano enclave is key to his victories over Mr 1 and King

[near scroll]

huh? how did cutting steel come from wano?

are u referncing daz bones

[ocean totem]

It was the lesson that Kuina's father teaches him, and it was the basic philosophy of Ryuo

Koushirou tells him about how a sword can cut what the owner wants to cut and won't cut what an owner doesn't want it to cut, and Zoro takes that to heart

[near scroll]

ohh ya

[ocean totem]

Now unfortunately, that's the smallest part of it. Zoro actually gains the ability by getting close to death and experiencing the "Breath of all Things", something no one from Wano teaches him lol

Koushirou's lesson allows him to put it into a framework, but the ability to do it was all Zoro's own experience

So the statement that his heritage allowed him to cut steel is false, but it does let him become a better swordsman by putting those together and moving forward with knowledge instead of being ignorant

[grand flower]

same shit in more words

[ocean totem]

The first dozen or so words in that statement disagreed lol

[grand flower]

I said his heritage was key to his victory

[ocean totem]

Zoro becomes a greater swordsman because he puts what he can do into a framework and mindset he can work at, but he didn't have to know that his sword would understand his will to go on to cut steel while experiencing the Breath

Against King, for sure it was the key because Enma was a relic from Wano and he HAD to know how to use it

[grand flower]

Zoro reflecting on the lesson that came from his heritage, and that reflection giving him the clarity to figure out cutting steel, is the same thing in more words

[ocean totem]

That reflection didn't give him the clarity to figure out cutting steel, him nearly dying and going into that serene state of (probable shock) total feeling of everything around him did. He did not get the Breath from Koushirou, but he did get to turn that into a workable mindset after the fight to master the ability

[scenic dirge]

BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

hi

[ocean totem]

Zoro was never not going to cut steel there, but he takes Koushirou's philosophy in mind when the ability presents itself. No Koushiro means he still cuts steel there ^

EVAN

HOW ARE YOU LIKING GOD VALLEY

Is it everything you hoped for??

[grand flower]

If you take it that him reflecting on that lesson is just somehow disconnected from figuring out how to cut steel, idk what to tell ya

[scenic dirge]

It's absolutely bonkers and I'm here for it

[ocean totem]

Shuron he figured out how to cut steel because he could feel the steel breathing and cuts that, Koushirou's lesson did not instruct him to do so lol

[scenic dirge]

A teamup between Roger, Rocks, WB, Garp, BM, and Kaido is still so surreal lmfao

[ocean totem]

The feeling of the "breathing" is what lets him do it, Koushiro gives him a philosophy that he uses to tie that into his swordsmanship further on. No philosophy and he's absolutely still cutting steel because the ability just opened up for him there

[ocean totem]

Xebec just batting away Big Mom and Kaido felt sour to me

Like Oda was trying to just get them out of the way so that we could get to Roger and Garp

[scenic dirge]

yeaaa

[ocean totem]

And Whitebeard breaking the damn island clashing with him, I was ready to see it start sinking

[scenic dirge]

Domi Reversed Xebec is just unfair

[trim lily]

i guess this’ll give us the clue to how to beat domi

[alpine trench]

Genuinely surreal that it’s like a fanfiction thing come to life

[ocean totem]

This makes more sense to me than Xebec just being stronger than Roger and Garp now that it's happening, but also yeeeeeah it's strangely pushing it

[mild pulsar]

Gotta see more from young garp and uoung roger

[ocean totem]

And is anyone else going to do anything? Are they all just leaving now? Whitebeard didn't care to just let Xebec walk through him, Big Mom is petty and vengeful as hell, Kaido I can see just flying away but will it really just be Roger and Garp now?

[mild pulsar]

Nothing makes me feel like they csn beat domi reversi rocks😭

[trim lily]

i assume everyone else is just leaving

[mild pulsar]

I think wb is gonna come back and help out or hold back imu, the rest might js run

[trim lily]

i’m more shocked garlic hasn’t done more

i guess he can’t reclaim the honour rocks took from him now though

[ocean totem]

I guess it's hard with how his regen was slowed lol

[lofty fern]

He gets it retroactively through Imu

[somber flare]

Anti regen haki

[lofty fern]

It's funny but none of the Roger pirates other than Ray ran into any of the knights. They have no idea they regenerate. Even Roger. So none of them learned what Rocks did about slowing down regen

[trim lily]

did gaban even learn sommers regenerates

he just blasted him into a wall and ran lmao

[lofty fern]

No excuse, he should be back together by now 🤣

[lofty fern]

You mean Ray?

[trim lily]

oh right

[lofty fern]

Oh and yeah, Sommers never even fought Gaban

[trim lily]

wait gaban didnt even meet sommers here then

[lofty fern]

Yeah...they haven't even met

[ocean totem]

Shiiiit maybe stronger conqueror's makes slower healing?

[trim lily]

i guess they had some unrelated scuffle somewhere else?

[ocean totem]

Or Roger just relayed the fighting here

Or Gaban just saw the knights in action somewhere here

[lofty fern]

Sommers was afraid of Gaban through Ray's reputations lol

[steel stirrup]

Rayleigh whipped bro enough for Gaban too

[lofty fern]

Actually, didn't Gaban even know Sommers' name? How did that happen?

Even Ray didn't know that

[trim lily]

they had to have met somewhere else

also if all even rocks could do was slow it down then conquerors cant possibly be the only counter

i cant imagine what the actual way to beat them is now

[lofty fern]

That's basically all Gaban could do too

[steel stirrup]

Got my money on "the power of love"

[trim lily]

sure why not at this point

[grand flower]

using yami yami on imu

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/stabillyttcg/status/1984487389943718267?s=46

Billy Mac (@stabillyttcg)

Lucci and Stussy 👻🎃

X · Nov 1, 2025, 5:07 AM

Fact checked by real Cipher Pol Agents ✅

[ocean totem]

Throw 'em in the sea

Chuck 'em straight to Jones

Bury them with the sea kings and let Poseidon sort them out

100% guaranteed way to deal with them

[native seal]

we need to talk about the possibility of jones still being alive

[ocean totem]

I don't want him to be lol

[native seal]

i didnt expect oda would just create the myth robin told as an actual person but here we are

[lofty fern]

Knew those two would be an interesting couple

[lofty fern]

I feel like if any one would know, it would be Imu.

And if he said "those people will no return again" it's probably because the first one disappeared

[hazy patrol]

who was that dude who wrote a poem back in jaya

when there was a big ass ship falling from the sky

[maiden charm]

This guy

Oops it's cropped,one sec

[trim lily]

louis arnot...

[hazy patrol]

isnt that gaban

or are you talking about the bear

[maiden charm]

Yea it was Louis Arnot

I thought his name was in the panel

[hazy patrol]

this willy karen fellow is a real physicist or wut?

[trim lily]

nope

just a random physicist in universe lmao

[hazy patrol]

oh lol

ok then

wonder if were ever going to see him visually

anyways

Boa noite a todes

[hard brook]

Is this you?

[blazing depot]

No

Saw it on Twitter

[proud pivot]

Its conqueror's only Gyaban already said it, its that same Logia gimmick but you just need to have top tier conqueror's like on the level of Joyboy or smth, its obvious Luffy and the straw hats won't be killing any HKs in elbaf, since they don't have that tier of Conquerors but its conquerors at the end

[sick dust]

what do you mean now?

COC seems to be the counter to regen from the looks of it

[trim lily]

it only slows down their regen

if someone as overwhelmingly strong as rocks can only slow it down, then there has to be something to do more permanent damage

[fossil nimbus]

It doesn't counter it, Gaban couldn't kill sommers and rocks couldn't kill Garling

[glass plume]

they'll need to defeat Imu in order to defeat the others

[sick dust]

Gaban was distracted by his son being taken hostage and Rocks was more focused on his remaining family getting into safety

[fossil nimbus]

Gaban cut sommers in half with conq, and sommers still lived

[sick dust]

Gaban likely could of beaten Gunko too in that situdation had things not go the way it did

[upper rose]

dunno who does it but someone does seem to kill one of the holy knights, if gaban's belief that the knights are far from immortal is any indication

since we've seen nothing else be effective and oda is a hack who makes conq the answer for everything it's prolly advanced advanced advanced conquerors

[glass plume]

i think that they'll need to injure Imu at the same time, to short circuit the immortality which the God Knights and Gorosei have gained from Imu

cutting the flow from the host of the power, essentialy

[trim lily]

but then imu has the same problem..

[glass plume]

oh... right

[upper rose]

does sound cool but garling was prolly still pinned like a fly while everyone jumped imu

and he's unfortunately still kicking

[glass plume]

alright i'm going with the advanced advanced advanced conquerors option

Xebec probably just didn't know the technique to effectively do it

[sick dust]

COC is only as strong as the User itself

It can't really be trained on it's own without the training of other forms

unless oda decides to pull a Kubo and say fuck it

[glass plume]

Roger and Garp will probably discover how to counter it, when fighting Xebec

[ashen perch]

The strongest weapon on here

[upper rose]

ye not saying it makes no sense, just calling oda a hack because without knowing what exactly makes someone a conqueror it's basically just weaponized hype and aura

[glass plume]

most of all it's grit

Zeff told us way back in the Baratie

[ashen perch]

Look, its not me saying it, its Oda saying it. Again, he writes this for children so when he emphasizes on something, he's doing it for them. Imu blowing off Brogy's mighty arm IS supposed to be a major feat. No one else could do it

[glass plume]

of course it's a mighty feat, the community is just so brainrotten that they have lulled themselves into believing that most giants are fodder

[ashen perch]

Yea lol, they are unable to shut up about mr.3 despite it being extremely clear just how intentionally nerfed they were back then

[sick dust]

giants are fodder because oda treated them like that early on

[glass plume]

yeah, Oda even gave an explanation for why it was the case

[ashen perch]

You didn't pay attention to Little Garden its okay man

[sick dust]

it wasn't until Harold we get a actual top tier giant character

and potentially Loki

[ashen perch]

Oda treats them as legends and has them take out a creature that was eating out entire islands with rusty broken down weapons

[sick dust]

Oda treats Vice Admirals as top tiers in dailouge

and look how clowned on they tend to get

[glass plume]

they've been going at it for a hundred years, lmfao
of course they'd be worn out

[ashen perch]

I mentioned an action here, not even any dialogue but ok

Dorry and Brogy were heavily nerfed in LG if you paid any attention to the arc, now that they have returned, their combined bounty is on par with all the emperors. Make of that what you will.

[glass plume]

their bounties should also make it self explanatory

[ashen perch]

The Giant Captains were the most feared thing on the sea while Harald was going around being a dickhead too

It's like you guys ignore everything, even though Oda makes things as obvious as they can be to his audience of children

[glass plume]

giants are treated like the key to winning the war in it's entirety

yet the fandom goes like "oh they're just fodder"

[cold steppe]

Well logically just the thought of a giant with haki seems op

So it makes sense

[glass plume]

a giant in general is overpowered, due to the sheer difference in size and brute force they can dish out compared to other beings who are much smaller and therefor more frail as well

they've got quite the advantage

[ashen perch]

Its just silly, they can't fathom the idea of Oda holding back their strengths during Little Garden and everything they do must be viewed with the "but mr.3" lens when we're decades past it anyways

[sick dust]

Oda like to conterdict himself and be conservative with his claims.it is because of this habit that lead to to people believing that Kaido and Big mom remain alive

[ashen perch]

Oda hasn't contradicted himself at all

[glass plume]

it's agenda piece for them

[cold steppe]

Mr 3 is just a weird argument. That's like saying guernica is stronger than luffy

[glass plume]

yeah lol

[ashen perch]

The only giants who were somewhat treated as weaker were Oimo and Kashi and Dressrosa Hajrudin

Well I guess John Giant might count too

But this is about Dorry and Brogy anyways, they're the legendary most feared two men in the entire world during their era

[glass plume]

this has to be one of the most downplayed feats

[ashen perch]

Yea and even then, Hajrudin did that

[tiny spade]

hajrudin is underatted,he's literally loki's brother

[glass plume]

yeah he is very underrated

[ashen perch]

We just saw their lower level guys take out like 5 buster calls worth of marine battleships in Egghead, so the rest are obviously dangerous too

[glass plume]

they were the key to the Straw Hats even being able to escape, lol

[ashen perch]

Reminder that the main source of fear of the giants were the captains

Harald merely enhanced it

[ashen perch]

Yea lol

[sick dust]

I am supposed to be impressed by a Ace and crocodile level feat?

[ashen perch]

From no named, lower level giants? Yeah

Also Ace taking out the billions from Baroque Works isn't the same, we saw how the SHs struggled again one buster call in Enies Lobby

Crocodile yes, but surely

You don't think he's still losing to pre ts Luffy right? Ofc that would make no sense

[sick dust]

the ladder isn't much of a fair comparison since we seen something similar in WCI

with their escape from BM's fleet

though you can agure half of that is Carrot's doing

[ashen perch]

They wouldn't have escaped without Germa and the Sun Pirates staying back as well

Germa even got captured because of it, the Sun Pirates got away but still, all of them acted as the their shields

[sick dust]

Germa would later casual knock out Katakuri with gas

despite Katakuri having the ability to see it a mile away

[ashen perch]

Ceasar just has hax abilities, its whatever

We saw him take out Luffy, Robin, Smoker and Franky in one shot back in Punk Hazard

Law too I think?

[celest mauve]

the way oda tried gassing this guy up with the side-by-side panelling with luffy and loki 😭

[sick dust]

I could of sworn Luffy resisted Ceasar's fruit due to his experience with Magellion

[ashen perch]

You're not ready

[celest mauve]

son of harald struggling with machvise and minor fall damage as an adult 💔

[trim lily]

the poison yeah

[celest mauve]

baby loki was tearing animal heads off

[ashen perch]

Yea not the other thing

He only figures it out later after he got knocked out once

[barren token]

They're not ready for haj

[trim lily]

surely oda will deliver on our expectations

[ashen perch]

Not Law but yeah

Oda was high-key gassing him up lol, makes sense because the idea was to present him as a threat atleast

[celest mauve]

if hajrudin manages to do even a decent amount of damage to demon brogy or dorry, I'll be impressed icl

[rare ivy]

This alliance is already look very promising. If Queen joins them, it will be even better

[ashen perch]

Not even Zoro and Sanji are doing much to Demon Dorry and Brogy

[trim lily]

proud of their marriage

[sick dust]

Only for Vergo to take the spotlight

[celest mauve]

looking forward to luffy and loki vs imu though, even though they'll lose because it's not yet time

[sick dust]

despite Cesar being the main villain of the arc

[trim lily]

ill be honest im rooting for imu if they fight luffy

[rare ivy]

Imu is in trouble this time

[glass plume]

they really aren't

[ashen perch]

Yea well, once Luffy figured out his powers, Oda started treating Ceasar like the joke he is without them

[celest mauve]

what's the point of rooting for him when he's 100% winning or at least leaving the fight unscathed

6 top-tiers didn't do shit to the guy

[ashen perch]

Imu is definitely winning but I hope its decisively

[trim lily]

after egghead i dont have much faith in that

[celest mauve]

the only hope for a decent fight is if G5 specifically is like imu's kryptonite

[trim lily]

but it would be extremely funny if luffy beat them here

[ashen perch]

Luffy having the Nika fruit shouldn't affect much since Imu has dealt with Joyboy already

[glass plume]

the only way that Imu loses is if Brook manages break the possession

but even then they have the giant demon army

[trim lily]

brook had better have a major role in this, even if it is a bit cliche

[ashen perch]

I think he will manage to break the possession atleast

[sick dust]

There is no way Oda can make that natural without being a cop out.

[rare ivy]

Brook might have a surprising better role here just like WCI

[sick dust]

only way I can think off is Gunko scarficing herself to rid Imu's influence

[glass plume]

i hope that his music will be the key to getting through to Gunko

[ashen perch]

Forcing Imu to operate from Marie Geoise again, because I do think there's a reason why they rely on possessions or whatever he did with Saturn

If Imu gets knocked out of Gunko, they are going to be safe from his direct involvement atleast

[rare ivy]

Brook will start playing Bink’s Sake mid fight and it’s over for WG on Elbaf

[glass plume]

feels like Imu used a different sort of possession at God Valley

[ashen perch]

Yea but possession nonetheless

Its not like Saturn abyssed him to God Valley like the rest of the Gorosei

[glass plume]

Imu can probably transport themselves to wherever the gorosei or god knights are

but yeah

[trim lily]

i almost forgot about this

[glass plume]

that's Kaido isn't it?

[trim lily]

the stuff about the destruction bringing about something new

and imu forbids it

[ashen perch]

No he means Saturn's dialogue here lol

[glass plume]

ah, mb

that sounds like Nika...

[ashen perch]

One pillar has been destroyed, the other will be next chapter

The pillars are going to be like the seals on something

[trim lily]

weird thing is they didnt go to god valley cause there was something hidden there

unless imu found out offscreen

[glass plume]

i still think it's a poneglyph

[ashen perch]

Maybe Saturn noticed something himself

[trim lily]

oh i guess this could be whatever it is

i assumed it was just the davies

[glass plume]

the great one, lol

i wonder what made Imu so glazed

[trim lily]

whatever it is its probably responsible for the dissapearing of the island

[trim lily]

dictatorships will do that to ya

[glass plume]

feels like the fighting is doing it's work with that

[glass plume]

i mean when Imu first took reign and control, what ideas did they have which flourished with so many?

or did they just put a spell on everyone of the original Celestial Dragon families that they have to obey them for all their lives

[ashen perch]

I think it was just his strength tbh

[native seal]

overpowering

they had no other choice type shit

[ashen perch]

None of them could hope to stand up to him, yeah

[glass plume]

that's probably the answer yeah

[lofty fern]

I think its exactly what I thought it was back when it first came out. He speaking metaphorically of the new change, the coming dawn that was born from this incident. Kuma,Teach, Dragon, Luffy, Shanks...all of their lives were forever changed by this incident. In fact they were reborn in it.

[lofty fern]

It feels much more subtle. Basically when you let people do anything they want to do, and we know for sure some of them were corrupt in the first place, and you give them unlimited power, they actually tie their own noose and while they doing what they want to do, you can do what you want to do.

[proud pivot]

I don't think Imu fought fair against Joyboy tho

Haki monsters like rocks, roger and shanks weren't enough

Nika fruit and Yami Yami might be the ace

[glass plume]

according to the mural it was the world against Imu

[proud pivot]

according to the mural there is no Davy jones🤔

[glass plume]

wdym

[proud pivot]

That looks like imu

dark silhouette + crown on top

[glass plume]

yeah but Davy Jones was the king according to Xebec, so it could've been Davy Jones

[proud pivot]

and if the entire world was against Imu in the fight and Imu was the undisputed champion of the fight, they wouldn't be kneeling on all fours in this panel thinking abt their archnemesis lol

This is a pathetic display of someone who ppl assume won fair and square

[quasi nacelle]

Hiii

[glass plume]

i would also be shocked if an archenemy who suddenly reappeared in some form after 800 years

[proud pivot]

You do not piss your pants like that if the entire world was against you but only remember one name after all that

[vapid leaf]

Looks like anger to me

[proud pivot]

that's not shock lol

that's PTSD

[glass plume]

Imu didn't piss their pants

you're making an assumption

[proud pivot]

Lmao thats not shock lol
You don't kneel on all fours and scream your throats out while being shocked lmao

[vapid leaf]

!headcannon

[tropic nova]

TYPO IN THE CHAT, GET THEIR ASS

[vapid leaf]

Lol

[glass plume]

you can't define what "shock" is for everyone

you can only speak for yourself

[proud pivot]

yeah I can

PTSD =/= shock

[glass plume]

no you can't

[proud pivot]

That's trauma trigger bro, just look up at the definition

and the difference between shock and PTSD reaction

anyways I am not arguing abt whether its a shock or PTSD no more
Its clear mural doesn;t say the full story

[glass plume]

it's individual based on what type of person you are, each and everyone has a different reaction to it

[proud pivot]

I don't think there is any individual out there who would be that shocked to literally fall on their knees and scream that loudly, but ok

[proud pivot]

We can see they are quivering and breathing hard + wide eyed btw

also Imu is called a rat king

and rat king have a really cool definition and history in real world

look up for it

[vapid leaf]

And tons of anime characters do that when they are angry

[proud pivot]

Not in one piece

[unique lagoon]

surely shiki got more treasures than that one box hes carrying

he needs to fund his whole fleet later on

[vapid leaf]

We have our first one ig. It wouldn't surprise me if imu is the hot tempered type that goes out of control when things don't go his/her way

[proud pivot]

As far as we've seen Imu only turned out to be a brat when Davy jones and Joyboy was mentioned

[glass plume]

he probably has a lot of them floating behind him

[proud pivot]

They mostly stay nonchalant

[vapid leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-ace-ace-luffy-one-piece-floor-ace-gif-1748460401678425034

If same can happen with sadness, so can it happen with anger

[proud pivot]

completely nonchalant after getting attacked by the 6 top tier attacks

Meanwhile imu after a single COC blast from Joyboy and Davy jones name made them look like this

[unique lagoon]

yeah i was thinking this

[lofty fern]

I don't think Imu was lying though about Davy. Imu refuting Davy being king of the world might show there is a discrepancy there.

[glass plume]

could be, yeah

though if he really was the king of the Ancient Kingdom, then i think that's him on the mural

[proud pivot]

Completely different characters btw and Luffy is in denial and also traumatised in this reaction btw

Again I am not debating ts since it doesn't lead us to any conclusion, I myself hate breath and sweat scaling

But my original point still stands

Mural doesn't say everything

[lofty fern]

I think the title "King of the World" isn't what it is today. There was no collective world government then, no world kingdom, even with the ancient kingdom. And Imu saying Davy wasn't a king, makes me think it was more title than an actual ruling position

[ashen perch]

he was just the Buggy of the Void Century

[proud pivot]

I think rocks threatening Imu to come back later was him saying that Davys are the righful heir of the throne

and also BB wants the world i.e Imu's position

its a ruling position but its more like the world being in constant chaos like in hachinosu

there were no rules, no restrictions only one ruler and rest all are trash

And Mu's world is atleast better than that

[ashen perch]

I think Imu is correct there as he was actually present unlike Rocks who is only basing it off the knowledge that has been passed down to him through the Davy Clan. Maybe all Davy did was briefly sit on the throne and his followers made assumptions, kind of like how every Buggy actions gets misinterpreted into being something greater by his followers.

[proud pivot]

so I percieve it as Imu being childish and looking down upon what Rocks claims what KOTW title should be

[glass plume]

yeah that's probably true, Davy Jones probably only wanted to be king i guess

just like his descendants

[lofty fern]

That might be what Rocks believes, but it makes no sense. There was no throne before the end of the VC, and therefore the throne that Imu rules on can't have been Davy Jones' throne. Whatever postion Davy had, was prior to the creation of the Empty Throne

[proud pivot]

Rocks addresses this btw, and Imu had no answer after it

[ashen perch]

well we dont know if the throne didnt exist before lol, it could have just been adopted as a symbol by the WG at the end of VC

[glass plume]

Pangea Castle probably was some very, very noteworthy castle back then as well

[proud pivot]

yeah sure I adressed it, it was a world which is more like Hachinosu rather than a carefully constructed delusion of utopia

and ppl living in hachinosu won't call BB the king

that's how it is

but we know BB is the king of hachinosu

[lofty fern]

That wasn't the world of the VC. There were no pirates at that time and plenty of kingdoms

[proud pivot]

There were pirates davy jones and joyboy were both legendary pirates

[lofty fern]

They were the first ones, thus no island of pirates yet

[proud pivot]

But I am not saying its a ditto copy of hachinosu but imagine a world where only chaos exist

Cuz that's how BB and Rocks ruled

[lofty fern]

There had to be order since there was governments and many of the kingdoms of today existed back then

[glass plume]

Xebec and Blackbeard ruled very differently

Xebec didn't have slaves that were meant to be auctioned out

[lofty fern]

And even the ones that have lasted and are not part of the WG, also never mentioned Davy, which is interesting

[glass plume]

plus it wasn't even Xebec's sole rule, it was the Rocks pirates as an organisation

meanwhile Blackbeard has taken it in as his kingdom

[proud pivot]

Again I am not saying its a a-z replica of Hachinosu, but a world which isn't perferable to Imu

As I said ppl in Hachinosu refuses to accept Rocks is the king

[lofty fern]

Like the people of Elbaph seem to be completely unfamiliar with the name, even though Joyboy is known

[proud pivot]

or BB as the king

[glass plume]

the most we know about Davy Jones is that he was cursed to the sea by the devil

[proud pivot]

but we know that BB and rocks absolutely ruled that place

[ashen perch]

Eh yeah Imu didnt directly address it but we're missing context here on what Davy actually promised him, thats likely the reason for his fear and not him being the previous King of the World.

[lofty fern]

I don't think it was an actual "rulership" but more so like the title of "pirate king" especially since Joyboy seemed to want the title as well

[proud pivot]

BB's dream btw

[ashen perch]

the entire idea of a KOTW back then feels strange to me

[proud pivot]

and BB is the one who is supposed to fulfill that promise

[willow pollen]

Kreath of the wild

[lofty fern]

I think both Rocks and BB are misunderstanding what Davy was

[willow pollen]

I think rocks knew but not bb

I am adamant bb has not inherited rocks will

He just thinks he has

[glass plume]

yeah Buggy has inherited it

[ashen perch]

thats what I am thinking too, both of them are merely interpreting the stories that are passed down through the clan, those stories both can be inaccurate and misinterpreted

[lofty fern]

I think it was the original pirate king title, but since there were no pirates, the title of the day was called "King of the World"

[ashen perch]

but what does that mean?

[proud pivot]

yeah there was no title like KOTW or KOTP back then but Imu definitely wasnt a top dog, Either Davy jones or Joyboy was at the top and Imu schemed with the 20 kingdoms to bring them down according to VP
We know joyboy's part of the story and he most likely never wanted to be the king

Thus remains Davy jones who should share the same passion and ambition to strive for the throne to rule

[lofty fern]

Maybe the person who has traveled the whole world?

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/sandman_ap/status/1984930988682883099?s=46

sandman (@sandman_AP)

During a talk event 8 years ago, one of Oda’s editors said that it’s hard to explain what the One Piece actually is in **just one word**. Another editor panicked and quickly contradicted him. So, what do you predict the treasure known as the “One Piece” really is?

X · Nov 2, 2025, 10:30 AM

[ashen perch]

I guess if it was something similar to KOTP then this would work

or maybe a treasure existed back then too that the world was after, and Davy merely acquired it for a bit

[glass plume]

i don't think it's more complicated then Davy being the ruler of the Ancient Kingdom, before the world was flooded

[proud pivot]

Also oda said the story will end when the one piece is found
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSZ8bE7VDpLQhbvT5B9zTqAaHw9NHFxRd-4tA7Dh-4Xe0riNQZOvhOoDa2b2_euttfOzz6PMAe76MHg/pub

[lofty fern]

Joyboy very much wanted to be "king" what ever that title meant. And Imu could very well have been in charge or at least doing whatever he was doing at the time. Davy being king is only one Rocks word and he wasn't there. Like Sengoku, he could have gotten his fact wrong

[proud pivot]

so the final war would be before finding the one piece

[lofty fern]

I think the fact that Imu said Davy wasn't ever a king, makes me think that he wasn't one in the usual sense

[proud pivot]

Joyboy is like luffy he never wanted to rule also nerona imu definietly wasn't doing shit, they were a ruler of one of the 20 kingdoms back then, not the KOTW

as I said the the term rat king has a deep meaning

[glass plume]

rat king is just a derogative used by Xebec

[proud pivot]

search the definition

[glass plume]

i could see that, but if he was the king then that's how i think it was

[ashen perch]

we dont know anything about Joyboy to say that he didnt want to rule lol

he did want to be the king, whatever that means

[proud pivot]

do we know what king of character and traits one must have to awaken the nika fruit?

[ornate tartan]

ruling contradicts freedom

[proud pivot]

In luffy's words he wanted to be free not rule the seas

[ornate tartan]

maybe emet misunderstood what joyboy wanted

[glass plume]

Luffy won't be 1:1 with Joyboy

people need to stop expecting Luffy to be 1:1 of Roger and Joyboy

[ornate tartan]

but again they could be different

[ashen perch]

not quite, the warrior of liberation can still want to rule after the liberation has taken place. Ruling doesn't inherently have to be oppressive lol

[willow pollen]

Bruh sandman “during an interview oda conducted on 12 pm 11 November 2006 while wearing a red shirt (he forgot to take his medication that morning) he stated that he sees himself in luffy, what could this mean? 😢 “

Most random shit I don’t believe it

[proud pivot]

roger and Joyboy ain't luffy but what are the core traits and personalities one must have to awaken the fruit aside from the addilitional qualities?

[ornate tartan]

sandman is mysterious as hell😂

he knows too much

[ashen perch]

No its true, It's old news atp

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure The king of rats was just a derogatory term Xebec used. If you go back you'll find out that Rocks call a lot of people just generally "rats". And yes, I know about the English term, but I don't think that term translates the same way in Japanese and wasn't what Oda was referring to with that line.
We also know Joyboy wanted to be king because of what Emeth said. Its one of the reasons I don't think "King of the World" is an actual ruling position. I think both Rocks and Imu are right here. Davy was King of the World, but that wasn't the same as being an actual king either.
As for Imu, I think Imu has been around since the first world, so he was doing stuff way before Joyboy or Davy.

[proud pivot]

Ruling doesn't need to be oppressive true, but that is not how Luffy sees the world, he doesn't want to be King riku who rules without oppressing, his very goal is to just be free and do whatever he wants, that's not how ruling works

[proud pivot]

rocks never called anyone rat lol, I aint reading allat

[stone tulip]

Yeah I think we do need to know why Joyboy wanted to liberate the world let alone want to be a king

[ashen perch]

But we're talking Joyboy, he could have different beliefs

[proud pivot]

"Rat King" is very specific

[stone tulip]

He deadass called Imu that last chapter

[lofty fern]

Yea, but he wants to be king, maybe in the same way as joyboy or davy

[proud pivot]

its only Imu

and he has no reason to call them rat king lol

[willow pollen]

What did he mean by rat king is there like a specific meaning in Japanese

[proud pivot]

bro knows Imu is that guy

[ashen perch]

I think Rocks just sees the Celestial Dragons as rats and Imu is their king, it's not deeper than that

[lofty fern]

That's really only TCB's translation. It's really more of King of the Brown Rats or King of the Sewer Rats. It's not a specific term

[glass plume]

you're aim with this is just to downplay what Imu achieved

[proud pivot]

A popular japanese translator in youtube explained it iirc

[glass plume]

LMFAO

[proud pivot]

wdym downplay?

[glass plume]

he even called Harald a rat, iirc

[ashen perch]

yeah he did lol, he just likes calling people that

its his favorite insult

[glass plume]

i mean you are saying that Rocks calling Imu "rat king" means something deeper than just a derogatory term, as well as this you also keep saying that Imu fought unfairly against Joyboy and Davy Jones, when the mural depicts the opposite