also-manga

[wet condor]

Ace is still losing but I think he does even more damage

[winter comet]

why is teech fucking with the revs tho is it just revenge for jesus burgesss

[stone terrace]

The golden rule of shonen

Explaining powers = strength boost

[autumn island]

Ace had very little chance hence why both Whitebeard and Shanks didn’t want him to fight BB yet

[winter comet]

wait if u think about it, semi current yamato wouldve lost to pre timeskip blackbeard too

[leaden rivet]

For like 99% of the fight Blackbeard just wanted Ace to join

[autumn island]

Not saying Ace isn’t strong in his own right

[pulsar path]

Tbh I don't think BB was trying to be antagonistic here

[wet condor]

But Ace still loses in the end though I'm p sure

[stone terrace]

Bb is a lot stronger but ace didnt and wouldnt get fodderized

[blazing mantle]

Ace mentioned

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-luffy-kurohige-gif-25239648

[blazing mantle]

Hooray!

[pulsar path]

During Luffy vs BB and ace vs BB

[lofty fern]

Please, Ace just needed to tap into his post-death strength. BB would be no problem

[pulsar path]

He figured it out instantly tho

[blazing mantle]

Ace did a lot better against Blackbeard

[proud pivot]

yea eat that shit boyy

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/gear-5-gear-5-luffy-joyboy-luffy-gear-5-luffy-gear-5-white-gif-13949304958127977410

[proud pivot]

taste despair

[pulsar path]

He didn't cus he got captured

[hard fulcrum]

I suspect he wanted to intimidate/impress Ace enough that he backed down and joined him. Blackbeard doesn't at all seem to understand how people can prioritise bonds over ambitions.

[blazing mantle]

Flashback Ace > Offscreen Blackbeard

[autumn island]

The idea BB isn’t a good fighter if it comes to it though is a wild one

[blazing mantle]

Ignore that part

[pine ridge]

I can see why gunko is scared of nika

[wet condor]

Probably? The manga portrayed them as equals

[iron oriole]

Other way around, BB will hard carry Luffy if they team up vs Imu, i can see it now... BB uses a Gura shockwave as a way to propel Luffy faster for a Dawn Rocket

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard is a completely shit fighter

[wet condor]

More or less

[leaden rivet]

He might be the worst top tier at fighting

[autumn island]

Ragebait 0/100

[ornate tartan]

every single villian in the entire story did not achieve their goal in the story except Imu who is the incubent ruler

what makes u think it will change now😂 BB will try but he will fail

[wet condor]

I'm not that impressed with BB's fighting style tbh lol

[winter comet]

Hacks always prevails

[leaden rivet]

It’s not rage bait. The dude gets fucked like every fight because he’s too arrogant

[wet condor]

Except that he's pretty tough

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard can make some dumb decisions in fights until he locks in

[proud pivot]

guess who scarred shanks for life without Dfs 👀

[leaden rivet]

He almost loses several times to people much weaker than him

[wet condor]

He can take some punishment lol

[pulsar path]

No exactly he doesn't seem to understand bonds like Luffy does for sure he thinks every one see destiny like him idk if BB is even wrong tho if you really want your goals to come true bot say iing Luffy and Ace way is wrong. Its just harder that way

[winter comet]

tbh blackbeard stopping mihawk seraphim with his forearm shocked me

[stone terrace]

Me too

[leaden rivet]

He ran up on Magellan without a real plan and then got fucked and would’ve died without Shiryu

[pine ridge]

even imu didn't reach his goal. he said the world is incomplete

[iron oriole]

"Shit fighter" scarred a top tier when he had 0 DFs, now has him keeping tabs on BB just so he can avoid him

[wet condor]

I expected him to be able to do that tbh

[pulsar path]

Bubbles also does tho s

[ornate tartan]

that’s true

[wet condor]

BB physically is strong as shit

[blazing mantle]

Is he a fruit merchant until further notice

Well he did scar shanks

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard has strong brute strength and overwhelming devil fruit power that’s why he wins fights

[blazing mantle]

And almost broke my goats neck

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t seem adept at fighting

[wet condor]

Yeah

[autumn island]

He’s dense but he can throw hands with anyone really particularly post timeskip

[pulsar path]

You would think shanks would be bb weakness

[wet condor]

That is my read of the situation

[tranquil blade]

We're gonna find out Blackbeard has had ACoC the whole time and has just been not using it

[woeful moth]

its shanks way before he's top tier tho

[autumn island]

The physical braun is crazy

[winter comet]

wait is gunko currently domi reversed

[iron oriole]

Extremely likely he has it tbh

[stone terrace]

If he used it against ace then ace stocks drastically go up

😭

[blazing mantle]

Nah just possessed

[autumn island]

Every actual punch he’s landed literally characters have complained how hard he’s hit them 🤣

[pulsar path]

Maybe or at the Evey least her true personality is locked away

[wet condor]

Potential man. Absolutely undefeated

[pine ridge]

maybe he developed it recently

[hard fulcrum]

He made a joke of Ace taking Luffy's place in a grave in Impel Down, he invited Ace to join him after killing Thatch, he convinces Kuzan to join him by saying what they're doing isn't about friendship. He's the anti-Luffy.

[blazing mantle]

Would you rather be punched by garp or whitebeard

[tranquil blade]

I see another "if"

[ornate tartan]

Blackbeard cannot box with top tiers for extended amounts of time

He has very strong devil fruits but he’s a dog shit fighter

his whole shtick is sneaking people and grabbing them with his Yami power to turn off their powers

[winter comet]

because domi reversal has been pretty consistent with the theory that it only works against someone in their hometown, (domi reversal also means "return home" or something in latin.)

[leaden rivet]

Depends if Whitebeard is using his fruit

If not then Garp punches harder

[blazing mantle]

Nah no fruit

[iron oriole]

Garp, kid Luffy was taking them... i don't think i'd live having my head rocked by a Gura blast

[proud pivot]

Well BB is already established as the penultimate character in luffy's way with the reveal of Davy jones being the KOTW, we just need to wait and watch

PPl are not gonna laugh at him 50 chapters from now

[pine ridge]

whitebeard cause he would turn the punch into a hug

[winter comet]

imagine big mom on the garp training

[pulsar path]

Anti Luffy is strong for me I see it as just a different path they chose to achieve there dreams but I do see that as well I just think we might get better polar opposite of Luffy

[winter comet]

yo this panel kinda tuff

[pulsar path]

She might been able to smash ships as a child 🥹🤣

[pulsar path]

Toooo small tho!!

[stone terrace]

how do the coats not fall off ffs

[autumn island]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-trafalgar-law-gura-crush-law-blackbeard-vs-law-gif-1276723233884227469

[blazing mantle]

I wonder if Oda will actually draw this fight

[fervent berry]

SOMEONE HELP I CANT READ THE CHAPTER

[proud pivot]

No horns 👀
The GOAt is still resisting

[pulsar path]

Weeener island

[blazing mantle]

Or just offscreen most of it

[urban lodge]

He will draw 3 pages of it

[pulsar path]

Name is the

[fervent berry]

IT SAYS "NOT AVALABLE IN YOUR REGION"

[digital spear]

Why is Roger dripping so hard

[wet condor]

Yeah

[fervent berry]

HELP

[royal orchid]

the cubari link?

[winter comet]

god valley movie 🙏🏿

[blazing mantle]

Can it be a little longer please

[fervent berry]

yup : (

[wet condor]

Roger and Garp aura farming like crazy

[digital spear]

!mangawhere

[tropic nova]

#wiki message

[winter comet]

just google one piece chapter 1164

[pulsar path]

They make the jackets look Soo cool

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-monkey-d-luffy-kaido-big-mom-one-piece-gif-25954757

[urban lodge]

No

[stone terrace]

Lowkey the way modern anime are doing shit a god valley movie could be an idea floated around

[blazing mantle]

😢

[stone terrace]

Like jjk is doing a canon movie

[blazing mantle]

I guess Toei will handle it again

[stone terrace]

Demon slayer has TWO

[pine ridge]

with the anime becoming seasonal they could do it

[blazing mantle]

Zoro vs lucci style

[pulsar path]

Luffy shanks before he found his childhood in gear 5

[woeful moth]

its the strawhat with Jacket drip just too fckin good

[wet condor]

Is the new CSM movie canon?

[stone terrace]

Yes

[digital spear]

We talked about it yesterday I think its possible

[blazing mantle]

Do you think Oda avoids drawing fights cause he knows Toei is gonna make it hype

[royal orchid]

it's a whole arc

[ornate tartan]

the 1144 episode had 5 episodes worth of production poured into it

[pulsar path]

It's a full arc I believe

[ornate tartan]

those kinds of episodes are rare

[proud pivot]

That's joyboy for you

[royal orchid]

same with demon slayer movies

[pulsar path]

Demon slayer pisses me off cus it's like three movies dog

[glass plume]

doesn't Demon Slayer have another movie on the rise?

[pulsar path]

I'm good I'll read the shitty manga

[glass plume]

which is the finale

[blazing mantle]

Maybe one piece will have a canon movie

[proud pivot]

lord don't make this true

[native seal]

the thing is all the animes with canon movies right now are easy to catch up on 😭

[pulsar path]

I believe two

[blazing mantle]

Joyboy was actually shanks with a Time Machine

[proud pivot]

shanks misses 1 hands 😭

[winter comet]

it was meant to be shanks but luffy ate the df

[pulsar path]

What? Shanks is joy boy ?

[pulsar path]

Tbh shanks might be the descended of joy boy

Watch him have red hair

[winter comet]

like shanks was the intended will of joyboy maybe

[digital spear]

Joy Boy just looks like anyone else with cape and strawhat like Roger, Shanks and Luffy

[digital spear]

Lmao

[native seal]

no cause figarland family is one of the 20 families who was against joyboy

[pulsar path]

I'm thinking blood descended

[native seal]

the best shot is his mother being a descendant of joyboy

[proud pivot]

yea maybe, they resemble each other too much but Luffy in wano at rooftop exactly looks like joyboy's drip in the silhouette too

[pulsar path]

His mom wasnt

[hard fulcrum]

I don't really think that's possible at this stage. Imu looks to the past but Luffy and BB are all about defining the future. Blackbeard's path has been Luffy's mirror and both have radically changed one another's way forward without knowing (Luffy's defeat of Crocodile frees a Warlord position that BB guns for, the capture of Ace sends Luffy to Marineford). Plus, Blackbeard's just been built up on panel for way longer.

I suspect Imu will be cleared from the board before BB.

[native seal]

oh yeah red hair you mentioned

[winter comet]

nah idk about that I dont think joyboy will have any blood descendants tbh Imu wouldve cleaned that up 800 years ago

[proud pivot]

but oda never stops glazing shanks and shanks is the only consistent representation of that style

[pulsar path]

He didn't with Davey

[winter comet]

but just dont imagine joyboy being scrummaging about punani when he basically the proteginator

[pulsar path]

Yeah but tbh it's going to come form bb and Luffy defeating Imu

[proud pivot]

could be because of the mother

This rat is deemed "child of destiny"

btw

[pulsar path]

I mean a main theme in one piece is carrying on through children

[blazing mantle]

Was kizaru vs luffy the last fight that didn’t get offscreened or am I missing something

[hard fulcrum]

Quite possibly. Though I could also see BB waiting until Luffy has done most of the work and jumping in at the end the way he did with Whitebeard.

[ornate tartan]

yes

[ashen perch]

there is one panel where he looks a little too much like Shanks tho, I posted it a long time ago, lemme find it

[native seal]

i love how with blackbeard oda immediately shut down the "why didnt imu go after bb knowing he was a davy", he thought they were dead

[grand flower]

Almost done

[pulsar path]

Maybe but I think BB is creating. Him self to be the anti Imu but I think Nika and Yami have to work together to beat Imu

[pine ridge]

gaban sommers

[ashen perch]

like this one is a little too close to Shanks lol

[winter comet]

yh true we talking about 800 years of history, its like how 200million people have ghenghis khans dna

[wet condor]

Yeah

[pulsar path]

I think the descendents of Davey and joy boy were on God valley

[blazing mantle]

My bad

[hard fulcrum]

Sort of, it's usually through indirect inheritance/inspiration. Or rather, chosen family is usually > blood family in One Piece. Shanks being the 'destined one who stepped aside' does fit though.

[winter comet]

if u think about it whats stopping gaban from just going back to raphtel

[pulsar path]

Yeah but that dude was putting his seed any where he could lmao but I get your point 🤣

[winter comet]

alone

[pulsar path]

Kaido children every where

[winter comet]

🤣

[ashen rose]

He has more than one?

[pulsar path]

Weird Luffy is wearing a similar outfit to rocks on elbaf

[stone terrace]

Drip vulture

[fervent berry]

so many virus'

loll

[proud pivot]

"Strongest Nepobaby Fateful Rivals"

[ashen perch]

Shanks being Joyboy's descendant from his mother's side would help explain why Oda didnt show her just yet too, and yea, its a nice little parallel with BB

[fervent berry]

some just summerize the chapter

[pulsar path]

Lmao I believe kaido is based on kanghis kon lol

[ornate tartan]

u can read the latest chapter on mangaplus or viz @fervent berry

[ashen rose]

Agenda everywhere

[ornate tartan]

i’m pretty sure up to the last 3 for free

[fervent berry]

going there now, wow im an idiot

]

[hard fulcrum]

I don't know if Luffy can work with Blackbeard. Although I can see their wills aligning at a key moment. I still think aligned wills (Haki) is part of what reverses Reversi.

[native seal]

on optwt they was saying mihawk being related to imu is now confirmed since imu is just a big blob of black paint

[winter comet]

remember joyboy was also a very big person like bigger than whitebeard it seems maybe even giant sized

[wet condor]

These are the types of questions that I wish would've been asked and answered in the SBS

[ornate tartan]

the chapter comes out tommorow actually

on those websites

the official

[wet condor]

"Who is Yamato's mother? Why did Kaido choose to raise Yamato?"

[ornate tartan]

for now u can do tcb

[wet condor]

"raise"

[stone terrace]

Thats why not knowing who yamatos mom is pissed me off

[pulsar path]

I mean I think all of the pirates will be uniting

[proud pivot]

But then again luffy in rooftop wearing that cape and strawhat that looks exactly like Joyboy, idk man oda glazes shanks too much, he might do it

[stone terrace]

Who was special enough to kaido that he'd have only one kid he cares about

[pulsar path]

Lmao nope you get blue penis jinbei!

[ashen perch]

https://cubari.moe/read/imgchest/m9yx9dw6pyq/1/1/ can read here lol

[urban lodge]

I think I'd be fine with Shanks being Joyboy's descendant

[wet condor]

As a Jinbei fan, I didn't need to know that

[urban lodge]

Because we know he's basically a failed chosen one

[pulsar path]

Yeah some sort of kaido children agenda 🤣🤣

[ornate tartan]

I forgot today wasn’t sunday my bad😂 @fervent berry

[wet condor]

Not like I couldn't've figured it out for myself

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-danse-dancing-move-julie-gif-15864321

[hard fulcrum]

I could see it with Shanks and Cross Guild, but BB is a hard sell for Luffy. Luffy hates him.

[still mason]

Real Jinbe fans already knew

[proud pivot]

yeah as long its a mihawk and BB upscale, I am good with it

[ashen rose]

Kaido agenda in the big 25, just let it go bruh

[pulsar path]

I think it would explain child of destiny and why he searched for the Nika? My only other idea is was he working for Imu to find Nika? But why steal from cipher pol

[pulsar path]

I don't even like kaido

[ornate tartan]

what the hell would his lineage have to do with those 2💀

[ashen perch]

he does yea, just saying Shanks resembles that silhouette more, I can see Oda do that for sure

[proud pivot]

Joyboy also has a cut off leg btw @ashen perch

[ashen perch]

child of destiny for a reason

[pulsar path]

But kaido is based on Khan

[ashen rose]

I mean, god valley did him some justice

[proud pivot]

and also he may have an eyepatch

since oda hinted at it

[ashen rose]

Don't forget that kaido is a slave trader btw

[ashen perch]

yea, looked that way atleast

[pulsar path]

Lmao I just think he was trying to beat big mom at kids 🤣

[proud pivot]

shanks is not getting an eyepatch since BB failed to take his eyes

[stone terrace]

Of all his crimes this is the only one that stands out?

😭

[ashen perch]

him being descended from Joyboy would absolutely explain this

[hazy turret]

Fake fan

[pulsar path]

Jesus could shanks end up the eye patch man!?!!

[tranquil blade]

I mean that's one of his worst crimes

[pulsar path]

He fights BB and he takes his eye this time?

[proud pivot]

yeah the right leg looked like a wooden leg with uniform thickness which isn't how normal legs are drawn

[ashen rose]

Fuck the samurais

[ornate tartan]

the eye patch man is Joyboy

[tranquil blade]

Are you saying slavery isnt a big deal icon?

[winter comet]

No because all the yonko seem to link to famous historical leaders, Big mom: napoleon (also her hat) (french conqueror who installed his own family members as his army generals), Kaido: Genghis Khan (massive drinking problem), whitebeard: julius caesar (first division, 2nd etc resemble caesars army). Shanks: alexander the great (hard to link a tie other than the inspiration aspect and how he is looked favourably in history despite killing thousands)

[stone terrace]

Its one of the deals of all time

[wet condor]

So what you're telling me is that you would be interested in information regarding Kidd's genitals?

[proud pivot]

No its joyboy, BB already failed to take shanks's eyes

[ashen perch]

slavery was actually among Kaido's main crimes so it does stand out

[pulsar path]

Doesn't mean it can't happen again

[hazy turret]

I’m just an inquisitive person, all information and knowledge is valuable

[ashen perch]

his main goal during Onigashima was to enslave the entire population of Wano lol

[stone terrace]

Very enlightened learning about jimbeis BBC

[pulsar path]

Where does it say all this as far as ik white beared is based on hulk Hogan and black beared hence why halg his name is black beared real name

[proud pivot]

yeah I can see this next time Shanks meets BB he ends up with one lost leg and one lost eye, giving him that perfect joyboy stereotypical pirate look

[wet condor]

I know what you are

[winter comet]

canonically in one piece everybody in society already accepts it as a valid model in society. Yh its fucked up for us but in their world slaves be slaves

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1984655988293582903?t=CUE_lDA0GBBbmeOoLC1SBA&s=19

Pew (@pewpiece)

New Eiichiro Oda art for Robin

X · Nov 1, 2025, 4:17 PM

[hazy turret]

?

[hazy turret]

Oh BROTHER

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-rogan-ufc-rogan-ufc-commentary-ufc-reaction-ufc-reaction-gif-gif-26796353

[pulsar path]

I mean idk about the leg but we know Oda said when the eye patch man shows up it will be th end of onepiece

[tranquil blade]

[royal orchid]

rough brush oda is back?

[hazy turret]

What is he saying

[pulsar path]

He looks like he taking a shit lo

[tranquil blade]

I actually dont know tbh it just sounds kinda funny

[proud pivot]

Yeah this is the biggest reason as to why he could be JB's descendant but Oda gotta stop blueballing us with his mysterious mother bruh, its last saga dude 😭

[wet condor]

Trying to blame dumb doesn't work

Again, I know what you are

[pulsar path]

I wonder now if Davey D. Was Lili husband

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-rogan-shocked-what-surprised-gif-16534811

[ashen perch]

probably just being saved for his flashback, she'll be more relevant there

[pulsar path]

Or father??!?

[tranquil blade]

Oh Music is calling you a freak

[pulsar path]

Yup definitely before pushing after pushing a poop out

[tranquil blade]

Okay I see the context now

[glass plume]

siiick

[wet condor]

Goonkaya

[gentle terrace]

If we keep going at this rate, this is what shanks will look like by the end of the story

[royal orchid]

oh this image

I hate it

[hazy turret]

I don’t see you saying this about the boob questions

[royal orchid]

I hate it

[gentle terrace]

Why

Why?

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[royal orchid]

fetish image

[proud pivot]

what do you think abt BB and shanks's dynamic? and what kind of idea does it give you abt Davy jones and Joyboy in the past?

[gentle terrace]

Wdym..?

[tranquil blade]

Apparently it's fetish art which is weird

[urban lodge]

It's definitely fetish art

[gentle terrace]

Did I miss smth

Damn

[pulsar path]

Sadly it also could be CD vs D

[winter comet]

https://tenor.com/view/boshka-baki-gif-17020917195779675007

[urban lodge]

People are weird

[potent pier]

Vegapunk, queen of franky would.need to make new limbs for them

[gentle terrace]

I mean, I would’ve never guessed it was

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-who-let-him-cook-bro-is-cooking-nothing-cook-yujiro-gif-9822555351308181869

[pulsar path]

This man is my hero after that one chapter

[royal orchid]

that one chapter or that one chapter

[stone terrace]

Theres many such chapters

Idek what to say

[pulsar path]

I never really read it in whole lmao

[ashen perch]

chat chat stop

[proud pivot]

!os

[tropic nova]

#other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series #other-series

[winter comet]

yo can anyone just become a cyborg or is franky just different

[royal orchid]

!os2

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217297722005131304/os2.png?ex=660383d9&is=65f10ed9&hm=697d64535cfacf5ff8c5988c2eddd1d810a9ddaed811efce4680f835ece1173a&

[ashen perch]

I know the exact one and you shouldnt talk about it anywhere

like not even OS

[royal orchid]

wdym arsal we're talking about the rock paper scissors chapter

[pulsar path]

The better one!

[ashen perch]

[tranquil blade]

I know what chapter youre talking about

[tranquil blade]

but I dont think I can say anything about it

If I speak

[wet condor]

Of course not I have class

[royal orchid]

holy shit it's uncanny mr incredible

[winter comet]

whats stopping franky from modifying people into cyborgs and forming an army

[proud pivot]

I thought you were employed

[hazy turret]

Goonfactor

[wet condor]

I have both actually lol

I take online classes

[royal orchid]

Wankfactor

[proud pivot]

Ohh

I see

[winter comet]

productivefactor

[hazy turret]

Cringefactor

[proud pivot]

goonkaya

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-glue-feel-that-glue-feel-that-thats-true-true-gif-8184265716409833617

[hazy turret]

Goon valley amiright guys

[royal orchid]

#other-series

[proud pivot]

Guys would imu be attracted to shakky

[hazy turret]

Huh

[dapper tree]

No

[stone terrace]

Hair isnt blue enough

[urban lodge]

Shakky is not blue haired so no

[dapper tree]

Imu only simps for Lilly

[royal orchid]

do you guys think that's why imu chose gunko

[tranquil blade]

Do you think Imu likes Buggy

[royal orchid]

because her hair's blue

[tranquil blade]

because he has blue hair

[stone terrace]

Im only attracted to starbucks baristas

🤪

[hazy turret]

You are?

[royal orchid]

who goes to starbucks

[hazy turret]

Alright man…

[dapper tree]

📸

!icon

[pulsar path]

You probably heard me say it before but I think her family left the holy land to start there own kingdom and Imu attacks or has the contest on the island than kills Gunkos family and take sher as his personal slave to show other family what happens if you defect

But I'm think manmayer may have married into or vice versa with a neftari

[royal orchid]

[pulsar path]

How else would brook know her

That my thoughts

[hard fulcrum]

Brook knew about the Knights of God and Gunko could simply have been the child of one.

[pulsar path]

Why would brook be around then

Why would Gunko be screaming about her parents crying

Why would her true memory be locked away

[hard fulcrum]

How he learned... a Contest seems possible but the way Oda talked about where he's from was weird. It made the place sound important.

[pulsar path]

I'm just trying to answer these questions

[stone terrace]

brook has allegations

[pulsar path]

I mean if he was like close to the king he would have warned brook Incas of an attack

[pulsar path]

Yeah brook could be an x holy knight

[dapper tree]

ya'll thinking too hard

[pulsar path]

But wouldn't someone notice him tho he was t dead than

[dapper tree]

just shout something with no actual backing

[royal orchid]

anti intellectualist smh

[hard fulcrum]

I think this is because she's an incomplete vessel of some sort. The mismatched eyes (with only one matching Imu's red) and the weird quirks in personality make me suspect she's 'defective' somehow.

[royal orchid]

so you think she's born from a CD family originally

[pulsar path]

If in right I want a bowl full of pasta withamount of a punch

[pulsar path]

Yes but just like homing they decided to leave

[royal orchid]

oh right on queue with penny

[urban lodge]

Hi

[stone terrace]

if gunko was born a CD, then brook was up to some shady stuff if he knew her so well

[pulsar path]

That's where my theory comes form

Because why else would Gunkos parents be killed

[urban lodge]

My idea is Imu wanted her for a similar reason to why he wants Vivi, so the kingdom Brook worked under was the target of a native hunt

She was "adopted" into the Manmeyer family and had her memory wiped

[pulsar path]

Okay why have the manmayers have the same hair color than

[urban lodge]

It's not the same

[pulsar path]

It is it's blue

[urban lodge]

And anime colors aren't canon

[royal orchid]

I don't think gunko was a CD, but I'm also not there about her being some unlucky lower world creature that just serves to makes imu remember Lili

[pulsar path]

She was definitely a princess of a kingdom

[pine ridge]

lily was one of the 20 original rulers

[pulsar path]

It could be Lili secret descendent

But I just don't know about CD adopting non CD blood

[hasty sable]

Why do we think she isn’t a CD again

[hard fulcrum]

Gunko means "Army Child", so I think her connection to Brook might be more significant than a passing meetup.

[pulsar path]

Because she literally is

She has saintress

And a CD family name

[hasty sable]

Yeah, why do we think she isn’t then? Lol

[stone terrace]

brook being affiliated with CDs rubs people the wrong way

[pulsar path]

Right but we see her in tears screaming about her parents later

[stone terrace]

as it should really lol

[pulsar path]

For sure Gunko is not her real name

[urban lodge]

It makes things a lot more confusing

[royal orchid]

York probably would have become a Saint too

[hasty sable]

Brook is Joyboy

[pulsar path]

Yeah but would she have a family name?

Or be saint vegapunk

[pine ridge]

every wg member nation is connected to the cd

[royal orchid]

adopted

[wraith mantle]

gunko will have a name change

name change piece

[urban lodge]

You probably have to be introduced into an existing family

[pulsar path]

Idk if CD can adopt

We have never seen it

[urban lodge]

They're not gonna create an entirely new cd family

[wraith mantle]

oda only has one trick, name change

[hard fulcrum]

We've seen CD's execute CD's before (Donquixote Mjosgard).

Unrelated tangent but... Doffy must have some seriously dangerous knowledge if they're too afraid to kill him even now.

[pulsar path]

And the way they look down on people of the blue sea

[hasty sable]

Wow another evil lady with a convoluted backstory leading to redemption

Goda

[pulsar path]

They are actively trying too

That's why megellen in protecting him

[royal orchid]

we don't have an example of so that's a problem for me but York is about to be one surely

[wraith mantle]

but god forbid rocks is not a comically evil villain

[pine ridge]

doffy knows about imus grimoire

[urban lodge]

Rocks fans are so oppressed

[hard fulcrum]

Not really. I mean, he's still alive in Impel Down.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/kisaru-caminando-gif-21645789

[pulsar path]

Because megellen is protecting him

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rocks-rocks-one-piece-rocks-d-xebec-xebec-gif-4842569528383032865

[pulsar path]

And doffy is pretty damn strong

[pine ridge]

magellan works for the wg

[hard fulcrum]

They could just sentence him to death and have Magellan perform the execution or something.

[urban lodge]

The flower room scene is so funny in retrospect

[pulsar path]

This is what the manga says wtf do you guys want form me

[stone terrace]

its literally the ragebait meme

[tranquil blade]

I can see why Xebec thought he wasn't ready

[urban lodge]

He's so lucky Imu allowed his dumbass to leave

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/idgaf-smug-smug-monkey-lion-beta-gif-2814800372123763926

[wraith mantle]

its the homeland theory

[royal orchid]

Rocks: I'll be back for you!
Imu: (Ugh, so that's Davy... again...)

[wraith mantle]

imu without her domi reversi hax aint shit

[urban lodge]

[tranquil blade]

Well it's not like Xebec would've been able to do any damage anyways

[pine ridge]

took a combo attack from 6 top tiers without issue

[tranquil blade]

There's a reason he decided to just leave after seeing Imu

[urban lodge]

Bro was trying so hard to aura farm

[royal orchid]

you mean the same imu who tanked 6 of the top strongest attacks we know or the imu who blasted off a giant's wrist with one shot from his power

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if he just wanted to confirm that imu exists

[tranquil blade]

and then decided to build a super crew and wanted the other strongest guy on Earth to join him

[wraith mantle]

is it really tanking when its just a regen hax? its like saying logia users tank attacks

[urban lodge]

Uh, yeah?

[royal orchid]

it's like saying Marco tanks attacks which is true

[pulsar path]

Tanking isn't even being sued right here

It's comes from dnd right?

[wraith mantle]

Once the counters to regen and domi reversi are found, I wonder how much of a fight imu will be able to put up.

[tranquil blade]

Probably still a bit

[hard fulcrum]

Not quite, it's something Doffy asks Magellan. He asks if Magellan is protecting him from assassins and if his solitary confinement is meant as a protection. Doffy doesn't know and Magellan doesn't answer.

[urban lodge]

Still the biggest threat in the entire series

[wraith mantle]

and i assume the counters will be things like (haki negates logia)

[pulsar path]

But it's pretty obvious that's what's happening

[stone terrace]

imu fr didnt want to fuck up his house

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Imu is fodder without those two abilities but I dont imagine that to be the case

[stone terrace]

fair

[wraith mantle]

yeah i think so

[royal orchid]

we've seen Imu's attacks be really fast, fast enough to go past an alert Sabo and Xebec himself
now if Imu himself is fast, that's a whole other thing

[wraith mantle]

but so far imu hasn't shown any ability power

like did he do any damage to anyone?

[tranquil blade]

Brogy

[pulsar path]

I'm still 50/50 if that arrow was Gunko or not

[tranquil blade]

Blew his arm off

[urban lodge]

Bro ant read

[pine ridge]

throne room

[wraith mantle]

oh the shotgun yeah

[ashen perch]

this is silly though, we can assume that Joyboy could fight on par with him and had figured out his abilities but the Void Century still ended with his loss

[royal orchid]

Joyboy got jumped

[hard fulcrum]

We see no direct evidence of it but it seems logical. However, if they all wanted him dead, they'd have him killed directly. Who would kick up a fuss if it was a universal sentiment. Either someone is too afraid or too sympathetic to do it.

[urban lodge]

Joyboy did the jumping

[pulsar path]

Why would oda have doffy say that

[pine ridge]

getting jumped is skill issue

[wraith mantle]

honestly I think joyboy was jumped

[ashen perch]

we saw the mural

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[pine ridge]

observation haki

[pulsar path]

The mural is the future tho

[ashen perch]

it was a billion Joyboy allies against Imu and 6 men on a ship

[wraith mantle]

watch arsal pretend he has cracked the mural

[royal orchid]

you mean the third world?

[pulsar path]

Joy boy did not unite the people

[royal orchid]

the one with Loki in it?

[stone terrace]

imu one shot sabo

[pulsar path]

Luffy will

[stone terrace]

(that mightve been gunko actually)

[barren token]

Hey guys how did we enjoy the chapter?

[stone terrace]

[hard fulcrum]

Because at least someone wants him dead. There's no reason to use assassins if all the Gorosei and Imu agree though. Just sentence him and be done with it--they've done it before.

[pulsar path]

Gray but a tease

[pine ridge]

we dont know if that's the 3rd or 2nd world or how literal it is

[royal orchid]

true Imu's tendrils in 1163 don't have arrow tips

[pulsar path]

No cus he can talk and they also hired doffy to take out Moriah

[royal orchid]

but we won't know

[wraith mantle]

she used the arrow attack on cobra and swallowed sabo's fire ball

is that it?

[pine ridge]

also had a transformation

[tulip turtle]

How can it be the third world if the Ancient robot is literally in the mural

[hard fulcrum]

Someone did. Doffy just says he has orders from higher up. I don't think all the Gorosei are on the same page here.

[pulsar path]

Don't get me wrong I'm not sure but I think with how much Gunko is at Imu side it's possible! Or oda retconing lol

[tulip turtle]

third*

[stone terrace]

the shotgun that blew off broggys arm

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ivankov-and-dragon-ivankov-one-piece-dragon-monkey-d-dragon-gif-7827202279281373871

[wraith mantle]

oh yeah a transformation

[pine ridge]

emeth survived and we just saw him on egghead

[stone terrace]

imu having a double barrel shotgun is so funny to me

[tulip turtle]

he was destroyed aswell in egghead

[hot cairn]

I agree with this, also Garp’s kind of contradiction and morals is proof of his humanity I feel like. This is all obviously going to he fully explored in future chapters I’m sure.

[pulsar path]

Still it's obvious the CD want him dead if he knows the secret especially after desolving their truce with Hina as a war lord. They won't sene CD because it's below there pay grade

[ashen perch]

also I hate listing down feats when its obvious how strong Imu is but so far he:

• Nearly killed Sabo in one attack, ate his rook check that was likely intended to be a kill blow
• Nearly knocked out Rocks by smacking him into the ground
• Blew off Brogy's mighty hand clean off his arm, defeating the giant pirate captains that are collectively worth 3.6B along with their crew too.

and this is just the beginning

[tulip turtle]

In the murals the ancient robot seemed new aswell

whereas in the present he is pretty rusty

[pulsar path]

Last time emmet saw joy boy was that moment tho

[wraith mantle]

broggy's "mighty hand" 😭

[ashen perch]

as casually as possible btw

[hard fulcrum]

I think it's a split decision. Some CD want him dead, some don't. That's why we get the conflicting thing of WG assassins fighting WG guards (Magellan). They're all under WG control after all.

[pulsar path]

Tbh that could been Gunko tho

[ashen perch]

the manga said this

[tulip turtle]

Covered the whole sun world in coc haki aswell covered the entire God Valley

[wraith mantle]

bro there aint nothing special about his hand

[stone terrace]

have dorry and broggy been confirmed to have armament yet

[ashen perch]

Oda emphasized that it was a mighty powerful arm, go argue with him

[urban lodge]

No one actually thinks Imu will be trivialized after the counter is found. If they say they do they're just letting the agenda speak through them

[pulsar path]

I think it's that the CD wouldn't even let the Marines and impel down know about it

[royal orchid]

wapometal emeth

https://tenor.com/view/football-memes-memes-discord-memes-discord-meme-mbappe-gif-4757402773594879617

[pine ridge]

yeah but is he completely gone? and also how much of the mural is supposed to be taken literally. like it could represent the whole war not just a singular battle. maybe whoever made it knew emeth survived and was supposed to help take down the wg at some point

[ornate tartan]

yall gotta realize Imu and BB aren’t pure fighters like other top tiers

[hard fulcrum]

I think they'd simply have had him killed in the transfer window in that case.

[pulsar path]

It could be metaphoric like all these people lead to the final battle and helped as well

[royal orchid]

by pure fighters you mean hakimen

[wraith mantle]

point 3 is a mr 3 feat

[ashen perch]

dude

[urban lodge]

Here we go again

[ashen perch]

I am not doing this shit again

[pulsar path]

How when tsuru is there

[wraith mantle]

oda wrote that shit

argue with him

[pulsar path]

I think were forgetting marine actually care about justice

[ornate tartan]

nah u don’t even have to be a hakiman i just can’t picture those guys in close quarters combat😂

[royal orchid]

imu is strong on his own so you can't say imu only has hax

[urban lodge]

He wrote that Mr 3 beat them through trickery yeah

[ornate tartan]

they have elite hax

[ashen perch]

you didnt read that shit properly tho so I am not arguing

[hard fulcrum]

It's been 28 years and if they haven't learnt that weaker opponents can beat strong ones through strategy, luck, and plain hilarity

[wraith mantle]

and imu used domi reversi on broggy and dory

same shit

[royal orchid]

krome bro krome let's go to 1163

and ace vs bb

[ashen perch]

anyways, Oda writes this for 15 year old children

[grand flower]

I tried my best

[hard fulcrum]

That's a point. He and Tsuru do seem to have some familiarity and she's more by the book than a lot of others.

[pine ridge]

yeah like emeth has already fulfilled his role in the mural by fighting the gorosei

[pulsar path]

Shonen jump been crazy lately they been upping the violence in general

[wraith mantle]

broggy's mighty hand

[rose rune]

Oda really hates Broggy's hand

[digital spear]

We dont have to he likes to retcon

[ornate tartan]

ace vs bb probably but not imu
not until we see how he fights in his real body

[ashen perch]

its different, Brogy was actually fighting against Imu instead of being helpless

[royal orchid]

Brogy's mighty hand has compound fracture

[ornate tartan]

he’s more of a magician then a fighter

[ashen perch]

again, go argue with Oda

[pulsar path]

I think most Marines are untill told by an upper to do something for justice so simply the CD didn't want to make a big deal about doffy and draw attention play Marines probably want to prosecute doffy rather than have him dead

[digital spear]

Woah he looks creepy his wings have the souls of the damned

[pulsar path]

That's my thought kinda yes

[urban lodge]

If you wanna reduce it to "character's ability was used"

[potent pier]

Younger

[royal orchid]

I would argue the top half of Saturn Imu is just Imu's body but I guess what you want is seeing him throwing hands

[barren token]

Can't believe imu did that to broggys mighty arm

[ashen perch]

he said 15 himself

[tranquil blade]

This feels like those drawings kids will make of imaginary friends that the parents will just look at and say "that's great hun"

[royal orchid]

brogy's mighty arm has deep bone marrow infection

[wraith mantle]

i will admit imu's shotgun can actually dish out some serious damage

[hard fulcrum]

I'm not sure why both Marines and WG as a whole wouldn't agree that he needs to die though because... he's done, like, all the crimes.

[tranquil blade]

Some say it was the mightiest arm of Elbaph

[tulip turtle]

He was pretty much burning on Egghead, and we’ve already seen his dead body, which clearly confirms that he’s gone. I don’t think he’s coming back for the war, especially since Franky is his replacement. The murals are pretty obvious of the two worlds and the third world couldn't be made because it didn't happen.

[ashen perch]

that shotgun is blowing a hole through Kaido btw

[golden valley]

I cant take LG seriously

Dorry and Brogy Today >>>> Whatever the hell dat was on LG

[tranquil blade]

Alright now

Can we hold on a second

[digital spear]

Mr. 5 upscale

[wraith mantle]

staff ragebaiting now?

[digital spear]

Hes YC5 level

[digital spear]

^

[ornate tartan]

yeah either that or using a weapon, anything that consists of fighting in close range

to be fair if ImuGunko fights in Elbaph I think we can see this, currently holding a huge black trident

[golden valley]

Makes so much sense

[wraith mantle]

is ragebaiting allowed

[ashen perch]

Imu > Kaido isnt ragebait

Its just the truth

[tulip turtle]

If it's one on one always bet on imu

[tranquil blade]

Idk without the hax I could see Kaido still being stronger

[ashen perch]

Imu is able to kill Kaido, I dont know what to tell you

[wraith mantle]

bro compares broggy's mighty arm to kaido's arm

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Luffy doesnt surpass Kaido

[pine ridge]

emeth already fought the gorosei and made sure the next joyboy survived. is that not enough to get a mention on the mural

[tranquil blade]

It's a possibility

[grand flower]

Ikr

[ashen perch]

look if youre gonna do this silly mr.3 shit

[grand flower]

I’m insulted

I need to get better

[broken relic]

Void century people built different

[royal orchid]

except joyboy
but joyboy holds a sword, which is mihawk upscale and therefore...

[ashen perch]

then i can post Kiku stabbing Kaido's hand too

[tranquil blade]

Well it's not necessarily an insult

It's moreso the content of the drawing

[grand flower]

I’ll do you one better

[golden valley]

Kaido might be in the top 10 eos

[tranquil blade]

The illustration, if you will

[ornate tartan]

how useful will the Trident end up being?
it just manifested with Imu when he took over Gunko body

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/flinch-glenn-howerton-danny-de-vito-charlie-day-rob-mcelhenney-gif-11672682

[digital spear]

Is Kaidos arm mighty? Dont think so.

[wraith mantle]

you can, kiku can use advanced armament she is not some random fodder

[tranquil blade]

I'm probably gonna switch up on this take in like a few days anyways

[royal orchid]

I love this panel

[tranquil blade]

but top 10 is for sure possible either way

[golden valley]

What if the trident is like the tentacles shit Imu used on rocks

[hasty sable]

Is Imu the world’s strongest creature though? I think not.

[grand flower]

Have y’all ever noticed that Kaido’s fists are bigger than his head

[wraith mantle]

idk bro

[golden valley]

Naw

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kaido-yonko-the-four-emperors-kanabo-gif-24870026

[hot cairn]

Kaido vs Imu, who wins?

[glass plume]

i love it, it's sick

[golden valley]

Thats wild

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kaido-yonko-the-four-emperors-kanabo-gif-24870026

[wraith mantle]

broggy's mighty arm

[ashen perch]

Oda was as clear as he could have been, Dorry and Brogy were heavily nerfed in Little Garden, and even with their nearly broken weapons, they casually took out a creature who was literally going around eating entire islands

[tranquil blade]

Andre the giant

[royal orchid]

oh my god why is his head so small

[tranquil blade]

Is this the first time people have noticed Kaido has a small little head

[royal orchid]

kaido should have taken some lessons from raizo

[wraith mantle]

no muscles in the head

[tranquil blade]

Also his legs are comically thin

[grand flower]

Awh thank you

[ashen perch]

he looks especially funny in hybrid

[royal orchid]

not really but in this gif it's absurd

[broken relic]

It’s funny not a single person ever once said imu could have the mythical zoan devil, devil fruit.

[tranquil blade]

He has slenderman legs while having the upper body of the hulk

[ashen perch]

because normally his legs look okay ish in base, but Hybrid gives him ultra thin legs

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/skips-un-show-mas-gif-11024405

this is the Kaido build

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-moria-kaido-kaidou-gif-3307991764237697606

his hands used to be smaller

[golden valley]

Mentally nerfed brogy and dorry

and im not trolling btw

[ashen perch]

its canon

[digital spear]

We know

[tranquil blade]

You might be trolling

[urban lodge]

Mentally AND physically

[tranquil blade]

Why would they be mentally nerfed

Physically I could see

That makes sense

[ashen perch]

mentally, physically, even their weapons were nerfed

[hasty sable]

What Kaido did to Moria is hilarious ngl

[golden valley]

Brogy was distraught about dorry

[urban lodge]

Because Broggy hurt a Dorry that wasn't in his fullest capacity

[digital spear]

Oda as a writer also was nerfed

[hasty sable]

Look at what that guy used to be

[tranquil blade]

What's next, a geographic nerf

[tulip turtle]

The mural clearly depicts a war on one side, while on the other, something is being gained, maybe it represents the entire second world. It could show Imu gaining power and Joyboy rising to challenge him. However, the second mural can’t be a depiction of the third world, because it completely lacks the key characters in it.

[urban lodge]

Geographical nerfs are already real

[barren token]

Moria used to be somebody

[urban lodge]

With the admirals in Mariejois

[hot cairn]

Broggy thought Dorry was dead

he was in pain

[digital spear]

Geometrical environmental metaphysical nerf

[tranquil blade]

Post the full thing you coward

[ashen perch]

yea, it is during this that Mr.3 catches him with all the wax

[hasty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-moria-shishishi-laugh-evil-laugh-one-piece-gif-19980188

[digital spear]

[hasty sable]

Discord mod Moria

[broken relic]

Wasn’t the last section of the mural supposed to be a future event. Where luffy unites all those allies to take down imu in his strongest form

[tulip turtle]

If mihawk comes from the nerona family then it's direct imu upscale again

[tranquil blade]

Remember when Moria was the strongest warlord

[hot cairn]

?

[ashen perch]

Dorry had his guts implode with a barrel full of explosives, then Luffy punched him in his guts too. Meanwhile Brogy was depressed about his fight with Dorry

[somber rivet]

Mihawk was introduced in the East Blue

[tulip turtle]

we don't know that surely

[tranquil blade]

He actually was the strongest one 20 years ago

but now he's the 2nd weakest one

[hot cairn]

ugly ass design

[pine ridge]

do you think it's supposed to be a 100% accurate depiction of some specific scene or smth?

[digital spear]

Is this inflation

[tranquil blade]

Well he did get inflated yeah

Just look at him

[barren token]

Odas bringing back prime moria trust

He got swole in bbs prison

[hot cairn]

LOL

[barren token]

He's ready to get his shit rocked by an emperor again

[tulip turtle]

90% is my guess of the second world, 10% tells me it's fake and that's not what actually happened.

[somber rivet]

Bonney could make anyone in their prime. Just make her Garp be 20 years younger

[hot cairn]

he’s ready to join Cross Guild

[somber rivet]

and this war is over

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/bWepr.gif

[hard fulcrum]

I'm not a fan of the 'every ex-Warlord must join Cross Guild' theory some push but Moria makes sense.

[wraith mantle]

moria can read the stones

[broken relic]

I think many assumed it was doflamingo because he had the highest bounty back in the day

[wraith mantle]

he will be cross guild's reader

[digital spear]

Please Oda

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah. He's also got personal beef with BB and a go-between with Perona's connection to Mihawk getting him a foot in the door.

[dense haven]

cross guild is not warlord nursing home

[wraith mantle]

cook

[hot cairn]

Moria is the only one I believe

[dense haven]

yall can't even come up with a plot line

always this cg lazy shit

[digital spear]

For how Moria joins Cross Guild?

Very easily

[hot cairn]

Moria is the only one that’ll join

[somber rivet]

Doffy too, if he escape Impel Down

and Weevil

[barren token]

Blank will join cross guild is the new blank will join grand fleet

[wraith mantle]

nigga is not ready for when boa joins CG

[ashen perch]

Doffy, Weevil and Moria for CG will happen

[tranquil blade]

Mandatory joins for Cross Guild: Moria, Doflamingo, Boa, Weevil, Queen, Judge and Caesar. Optional (unlikely) joins for Cross Guild: Katakuri, Kidd, Marco

[digital spear]

Listen to Avery

[dense haven]

no enel?

what about foxy

[broken relic]

Moria probably has a grudge for what the WG did to him in marineford

[wraith mantle]

i hope foxy is dead

[somber rivet]

Kidd will never. Boa is more probable than him

[ashen perch]

oh yea and Doffy will drag in Ceasar + Neo Mads with him

[somber rivet]

Put respect on Kidd

[hard fulcrum]

He and Crocodile are not exactly big fans of Doffy.

[tranquil blade]

That's why he's in the optional one, and the only reason he's there is cause of the potential Captain John connection

[dense haven]

kid in cross guild is good the circus needs a new clown

[hot cairn]

only Moria

[hard fulcrum]

I like the guy but he has no ship.

[hot cairn]

the other ones are just people coping

[tranquil blade]

Marco is there because he's gonna go save Weevil so he may run into them, and they may try to give him a reason to join

[ashen perch]

why'd it only be Moria lol

[hot cairn]

we saw him during VP’s message, he’s alive and broke

[tranquil blade]

but again I dont think he's guaranteed

[somber rivet]

Neither Law and no one put him for Cross Guild

[hasty sable]

I think Moria is the weakest

[wraith mantle]

will rayleigh and gaban join CG?

[cold steppe]

Cross guild is the only thing I don't care about the writing for. I hope Oda goes all out in fan service. I want max old characters in there and I don't need it to make sense

[somber rivet]

Law is more probable than Kidd, he does not have problems making alliances

unless is Doffy too, then no

[hot cairn]

Law is allying with Sword

[cold steppe]

He might change if he lost his crew

Kidd

[digital spear]

Top 10 characters who are not dead

[ashen perch]

yea when Doffy joins, Law's chances will be 0

[tranquil blade]

I basically think all the former warlords besides Law, Jinbe and Kuma will join Cross Guild, and Neo MADS will join Cross Guild just to get funding for whatever they're cooking up

[hard fulcrum]

Some have suggested it since he's yet another ex-Warlord. Tbh, I liked the idea someone else had about him ending up with the Revolutionaries.

[hasty sable]

Kid will never change imo

[hot cairn]

Boa aint joining Cross Guild lol

[digital spear]

Doesnt matter

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-basketball-hall-of-fame-enshrinement-speech-crying-happy-emotional-gif-21287452

[fallen meteor]

why are you still scary

[broken relic]

Law has no business with CG

[ashen perch]

besides Boa too

[tranquil blade]

Oh shit

[stone terrace]

Doffy and law teaming up is the other version of bb and luffy teaming up

Both are equally ridiculous

[fallen meteor]

did you see the art i @ ed you

[urban lodge]

Foxy is fine, we saw him during the VP broadcast

[ashen perch]

yeah

[wraith mantle]

i hope doffy doesn't join that circus show

[digital spear]

So it will happen...

[urban lodge]

Well not fine, he doesn't seem to be doing too well lol, but he's alive

[digital spear]

Doffy is the Joker.

[hot cairn]

I don’t want BB and Luffy teaming up

[wraith mantle]

doffy got too much aura

[digital spear]

Hes the first one who would join a circus show

[wraith mantle]

doffy will join bb pirates

[digital spear]

Why

[wraith mantle]

idk

[pine ridge]

I personally think it's some child imagining what it'd take to take down imu. and that child's imagination was influenced by the actual people living during the time like joyboy and emeth so they were drawn distinctively. but now it serves as a simplified and condensed version of what the whole final saga will be

[cold steppe]

Oda already foreshadowed doffy will work under crocodile

[broken relic]

He and senor pink made pink manly

[wraith mantle]

exactly

[formal wagon]

oda

[hard fulcrum]

Kinda does. Moria holds grudges against people who try to kill him. And there's just no way you could let him roam free without babysitting and there aren't many people powerful enough to do that. Crocodile and Mihawk sure as hell wouldn't want that job, lol.

[fallen meteor]

?????

[formal wagon]

ehhead decembet

[fallen meteor]

see soo

[tranquil blade]

but yeah I basically think all these guys are borderline guaranteed, and a few others could join but it'd only really be for protection of their home islands or for money

[formal wagon]

🤒

[somber rivet]

Thinking about it, Cross Guild will be worst than Rock Pirates in the betraying part.

especially with Doffy there

[dense haven]

cg is just there to get buggy to laughtale it doesn't need more than croc and mihawk for that

even croc isn't needed

[broken relic]

Moria really had it rough. First kaido, then luffy then the WG then Blackbeard

[tranquil blade]

It needs way more than those two

[wraith mantle]

croc is a mizu luffy victim

[hasty sable]

It’s what Moria deserves

[somber rivet]

This Luffy can one shot Ace with a Hydrobomb

[ashen perch]

respect Pirate of Justice Kozuki Moria, the man who went toe to toe with Kaido for the sake of Wano ❤️

[somber rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/vaporeon-pokemon-pokemon-vaporeon-water-gun-hydro-pump-gif-3258769045119479645

[tranquil blade]

toe to toe

[stone terrace]

Scared of croc mogging doffy i see right through this

[hasty sable]

I know what you’re doing

[ashen perch]

again, I only use the wording of the manga

[tranquil blade]

Croc and Doffy will be the Shiki and Kyo of Cross Guild

[wraith mantle]

i forgot why does croco hate doffy

[ashen perch]

"toe to toe with Kaido" is ripped straight from a panel

[wraith mantle]

show the panel

[hard fulcrum]

I suspect Croc's got some backstory relevance given the Iva link. Plus, if Vivi rejoins at some point there are some fun drama opportunities with Her, Robin, Croc. Oh, and Mr. Prince, lol.

I suspect the Redhair Pirates and Cross Guild get dealt with at the same time, given the Shanks/Buggy and Shanks/Mihawk links too.

[hasty sable]

Croc hates Doffy because he did his plan but better

[somber rivet]

Speaking of Kyo. Wonder why Oda introduced the guy even with a full page for himself

[dense haven]

because doffy is better than him

[tranquil blade]

because Doffy wanted Croc to join under him and Crocodile thought that was beneath him

[somber rivet]

just to be in the shadow the rest of the flashback

[hot cairn]

burn scar man

jk

[wraith mantle]

doffy's ego knows no bounds damn

[tranquil blade]

So Croc told Doffy to join under him or smth

[dense haven]

croc is a failure

[digital spear]

I think Mihawk and Crocodile are just the same as Doffy and its a miracle they already can work with each other I feel like Doffy would just be another pea in the pod. Morias grudge goes against people who actually killed his crewmates. Them as a whole would probably hesitate letting Doffy join but still do it because they need him

[tranquil blade]

and so they beefed

[somber rivet]

At least Crocodrile actully tried to take a Yonko. He failed, but he tried at least

Doffy just run from Kaido

[somber rivet]

like a little crying baby

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[tranquil blade]

Rumor?

[dense haven]

croc should be beefing with kuro that's more his equal

[wraith mantle]

what a reliable source

[hard fulcrum]

He spends the latter half of Marineford hunting Crocodile down like a jealous ex. It's extremely entertaining, but that's Doffy for you.

[hasty sable]

Doffy just plays it smarter than Croc and it worked out for him until Luffy lol

[wraith mantle]

this top tier tagebait

[hot cairn]

Rumor piece

[stone terrace]

doffy WISHES he could come up with cross guild

[glass plume]

Crocodile is smarter than Doflamingo lol

[ashen perch]

yeah yea laugh at it now

[wraith mantle]

no wonder you believe everything sengoku says

[ashen perch]

okay tell me

[hasty sable]

Putting bounties on Marines is pretty peak

[ashen perch]

why did Oda include that line?

did he just feel like it?

[tranquil blade]

To uh

[urban lodge]

Cross Guild is a genius concept

[tranquil blade]

Hmm

[digital spear]

WORIA

[hot cairn]

one of the best ideas he ever had

[ornate tartan]

can pre timeskip moria even beat Don Sai

[ashen perch]

the whole idea with Moria is that he used to be that strong lol

[hasty sable]

When you combine Crocodile’s logistical skills with Mihawk’s cop killing bloodlust you get Marine bounties

[wraith mantle]

i actually love it yeah

[glass plume]

Crocodile wouldn't be a bad king of the world tbh

[broken relic]

Cross guild formation is indirectly beneficial for luffy and his allies. The WG forces as a whole are just too much to handle. The straw hats probably won’t fight the marines in the final war

[urban lodge]

Btw Kaido level Moria will be back on Cross Guild

[stone terrace]

moria without prep time is like bellamy level

[dense haven]

croc wishes that too but good thing he got mihawk

[wraith mantle]

no haki moria went toe to toe with kaido

[digital spear]

Croc did that, the cope is crazy

[somber rivet]

Cross Guild is the reason T-Bone, the only truly good marine, is dead.

[ashen perch]

he had Haki

[tranquil blade]

Well he probably had haki at one point

[fallen meteor]

theres no way

[hasty sable]

Cross Guild treating Marines like just another pirate crew

[tranquil blade]

but he got fat and depressed

[hard fulcrum]

Cross Guild is one of the best parts of post-TS imo.

[ashen perch]

I am sure he had ACoC even

[dense haven]

croc would've never achieved anything without mihawk

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[ashen perch]

laugh as much as you want now, get it out of your system

[hasty sable]

They could be but they’re new and don’t have a lot of screentime yet.

[glass plume]

he would have achieved more than Doflamingo

Doflamingo was just prepared to work underneath Kaido all his life

[hasty sable]

I think they’ll ultimately be secondary players in the final arc

[tranquil blade]

I kinda figure Cross Guild is basically gonna be comprised of most of Luffy's former enemies or people who Luffy has personally encountered or moved, with the exception of like Weevil

A few will remain independent though

[golden valley]

Moria…with ACoC? Hol on man

[cold steppe]

I mean it happened. It's not a matter of perspective or opinion
Moria did go toe to toe with kaido

[golden valley]

Prime Moria > katakuri

[cold steppe]

You should be mad at oda

[ashen perch]

easily yea

[dense haven]

brother he would still be in jail without luffys help lol

[hot cairn]

why was Moria not in Kaido’s top 5

Oda forgot

[ornate tartan]

Kaido put the fear of god in ppl

[dense haven]

luffy sent that mf to jail and released him

[glass plume]

Doflamingo is in jail as we are speaking, lol

[dense haven]

zero agency

[tranquil blade]

Well because he was tuff but not that tuff

[glass plume]

so Doflamingo has it no better than you're saying that Crocodile would've had

[ashen perch]

because Moria fell off

[hasty sable]

Moria is not as strong as people are saying here

[ashen perch]

its funny, the other translation straight up says "I heard Moria was on the same level as Kaido"

[hasty sable]

He fought Kaido. That’s literally all we know lol.

[ashen perch]

stephen's btw, the current viz translator

[dense haven]

I'm not the one wanking doffy here

[steel stirrup]

[hasty sable]

We also know Moria got beat so bad his will was broken

[tranquil blade]

Moria was Oden level

[digital spear]

Spices insecurity about Doffy and Croc is so funny

[hasty sable]

Moria wasn’t even Oden level

[dense haven]

just admit croc got carried

[digital spear]

He always has to make sure his goat looks better than Croc

[tranquil blade]

Actually no Moria was like a little weaker than Oden

[glass plume]

only by being released from Impel Down, otherwise it's all his work

[golden valley]

Kaido around the time he invaded Wano was > katakuri, so prime moria is at least katakuri lvl

[dense haven]

I haven't even mentioned doffy once here

[hasty sable]

Moria was probably a lot weaker than Oden

[dense haven]

yall so defensive it's hilarious

[final trench]

Idk man

[ashen perch]

Pirate: You don't suppose someone's actually DEFEATED Moria?

Captain: No way! Impossible!!
Rumor says that Moria was once on the same level as Kaido of the Four Emperors...

[final trench]

People were shocked that moria lost

[hasty sable]

If Moria was that strong then Oden would be even stupider

[glass plume]

people like to compare the two, so i brought it up

[tranquil blade]

See if Moria was that strong though why didn't he scar Kaido

[hasty sable]

There’s not a chance in hell Moria was that strong

[ornate tartan]

moria is still the same as per the last time we saw him

[ashen perch]

you will see man

[final trench]

Moria was like dat

[ornate tartan]

idk why yall expecting any change

[broken relic]

I can see cross guild dealing with like 1 or 2 admirals final war.

[final trench]

If crocodile can get stronger Moria definitely can

[urban lodge]

Fuji will be the obligatory Mihawk sacrifice

[tranquil blade]

Moria was like 6-7% stronger than King at least thoI could admit that

[hard fulcrum]

Last time we saw him he had more of a spine than on Thriller Bark. He went to Hachinosu demanding answers for a captured crewmate.

[ashen perch]

I think its genuinely silly to ignore real dialogue from the story meant to once again reinforce the idea that Moria is not the guy he used to be

[glass plume]

Cross Guilds will be the reason for why the Marines will change

[digital spear]

Prison buff

[tranquil blade]

Honestly if you guys stopped sleeping on Oden this wouldnt be an issue

[pine ridge]

moria gave kaido a concussion. which explains why kaido was so stupid for all of wano

[ashen perch]

I dont, I think he is the strongest commander

[hasty sable]

Oh Moria is definitely not as strong as he used to be

[ashen perch]

Zoro hasnt even surpassed him yet, wont for a while

[hasty sable]

He just wasn’t on the level of Kaido

That’s fucking absurd lol

[ashen perch]

the story said it

[glass plume]

it's not absurd, lol

[hasty sable]

He wasn’t stronger than Oden

[ashen perch]

I am not making it up

[ornate tartan]

who will be stronger final saga Yamato or Greenbull

[ashen perch]

Oden was also on the level of Kaido

[final trench]

Gecko moria was like that

[hasty sable]

He was probably Dressrosa Luffy level at best

[glass plume]

Moria could've been a lot stronger back then, given he had his determintation and strive left in tact

[digital spear]

Yamato

[glass plume]

we know how much the determination and will matters when it comes to overall power

[hasty sable]

No I am ignoring that. It didn’t happen. The story lied. That character was an idiot. Moria sucks.

[glass plume]

Moria losing all of that jazz, is why he is percieved as weaker

[hasty sable]

Lalalala

[glass plume]

you just lost

[ashen perch]

anyways, Moria flashback soon

[hasty sable]

Moria flashback to him losing badly to Kaido

[final trench]

Peep the cover story

[ashen perch]

when he is splitting up the sky with Kaido, dont say you didnt see it coming

[hasty sable]

Moria splitting the sky lmaooo

[final trench]

Whos with perona rn

[hasty sable]

He probably doesn’t even have CoC

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-moria-kaido-gif-21412055

[ashen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-moria-kaido-gif-21412055

[dense haven]

moria and perona will join yamato in wano

[ashen perch]

Toei saw the future

[digital spear]

Woria has acoc

[glass plume]

not having conquerors haki makes it even more impressive, tbf

[dense haven]

yall think Ida isn't using kozuki moria

oda

[final trench]

Moria was defending the set

Gotta respect it

[digital spear]

He will read poneglyphs

[pine ridge]

moria is for sure going to revive the frozen galeila giants

[glass plume]

i don't think they're dead

they're just in cryo-stasis

[ashen perch]

yea same

[trim lily]

at this point he has to if cross guild wants to actually be part of the race

[hasty sable]

Impressive that he lost as badly as he did

[digital spear]

Kuzan probably found them for BB

[ashen perch]

Kuzan will simply thaw them out

[hasty sable]

Since he lost so bad that he cried himself into being a NEET

[ashen perch]

Moria is never said to have lost badly to Kaido, just that his entire crew was killed when he lost

[ornate tartan]

if the galley la giants are frozen what are the sea kings carrying the noah rn planning to do

[hasty sable]

Kaido bit his chin off RIP

[digital spear]

Wait

until theyre out

[hot cairn]

and that isnt losing badly?

[hasty sable]

Imagine if there was a guy as strong as Kaido that invaded the island and nearly beat him and Oden was still dancing

[ornate tartan]

the appointed time is basically now

[ashen perch]

no?

[hasty sable]

I would hate Oden even more

[ashen perch]

Kaido could have beaten him in a close fight and then killed his crew

why are these things linked lol

[tranquil blade]

There's a whole meme about this

[pulsar path]

I thought we had two groups of giants one is a warriors the others are ship rights ?

[digital spear]

You already have to then because Moria is a Kozuki but Oden was still dancing

[pulsar path]

And arnt one of em on pink hazard

For momo