also-manga

[sturdy steeple]

I’d rather have a whole flashback adapted in a movie then.

[glass plume]

i mean yeah, the Xebec glazers would let alone buy at least 5 tickets

[ornate tartan]

cursed pic😭

[grand flower]

Mainly Me Valley. We can have like 10, maybe 20 mins at the start(depending on how long the movie is) to recount Rocks' and Harald's previous interactions. Summarize it

[ashen perch]

I'd actually personally sell it as an extended version of God Valley

They should make that a selling point of the movie

[alpine trench]

You’d have to set the context for a larger audience with the main story, One Piece isn’t like CSM or Demon Slayer where there is either a specific type of story being told or having arcs that work towards being adapted into the cinematic medium better

[grand flower]

What

[ashen perch]

That it expands upon the flashback, on every detail, on every fight

[alpine trench]

OP is too dense for that especially without the Strawhats

[grand flower]

It's a small army fighting

they can just extend fight scenes

they made a movie out of stampede

[glass plume]

they should just wait until they can do one about the Void Century

[grand flower]

1 ply plot

[ashen perch]

I think it would start at Rocks showing up at Elbaf

So plenty to cover lol

[grand flower]

Yeah it can speed through the stuff before the actual incident

[alpine trench]

I don’t think any flashback would work as a canon movie

[grand flower]

idk what yall are on about

[alpine trench]

Especially not god valley

It’s not feasible

[grand flower]

me valley is the perfect thing for a movie because it can be presented isolated from Elbaph

[glass plume]

i think Void Century could work, just because it doesn't really need much build up other than just covering the past, it could probably work very well as a stand alone story for those who haven't seen the current story either.

[ashen perch]

They can make it work, the only issue is the lack of SHs but they can make up for it by heavily advertising the extended involvement of OP's biggest side characters like Garp, Dragon, Shanks, Rocks, Roger, Rayleigh and more

Teach

[grand flower]

You can have someone read the flashback from when Rocks shows up at Elbaph to the end of the incident and it'd be a complete story

One with a lot of hanging threads, naturally

[alpine trench]

?

[grand flower]

But you have a complete experience there

[ashen perch]

Yea I agree

[urban lodge]

At that point it's not a God Valley movie, it's a Rocks movie

[grand flower]

It'd be like showing someone the first z broly movie

Who's never seen Dragon Ball

Yes, they wouldn't know the context of everything like super saiyan

[ornate tartan]

for us one piece fans it would be amazing but ultimately it’s still a business, you are not selling tickets that way and the movie will be doomed to fail

[ashen perch]

Well stop stop

[grand flower]

But there is a story being told, beginning middle and end

[glass plume]

i mean, it would sell just because of how popular Xebec has become

[ashen perch]

Dont get any deeper into it than that

[grand flower]

I'm not stupid arsal

[urban lodge]

It would

[ashen perch]

Just to be safe because people just forget sometimes lol

[alpine trench]

Removing God Valley from the context of the story and then presenting as a separate entity doesn’t make it a canon movie or suitable for it to be a canon movie

[grand flower]

dw i'll behave for now

[grand flower]

Well I said earlier a movie that does a rendition of canon material

[sturdy steeple]

Stampede is a fan-service fight-fest movie that reintroduced extremely well-known characters from different parts of OP.
GV is a canon segment of the story with plenty of random characters. And the flashback itself still serves a purpose for Elbaph.
You’d have to add a lot of filler in order for GV to work out as a movie.

[ashen perch]

I think they won't necessarily present it as separate, it'll be advertised as part of the Elbaf arc

[grand flower]

Which I figured is what people meant by canon movie

I just wanna see a movie adaptation of manga material and me valley is perfect for it

We've already got shit like episode of skypeia

episode of alabasta

etc.

[sturdy steeple]

GV isn’t really a stand alone story when you think about it.
And I don’t want to see pointless shit like Ganzui jobbing to Gaban and etc.

[grand flower]

Take that concept, but for a movie

[ashen perch]

Once the movie is released, they'll also cover it in episodic format like how DB did Resurrection F and BoG

It can work

[glass plume]

i think it's inevitable that they'll do some sort of huge movie about the Void Century when it comes to that

[ornate tartan]

with the manga still ongoing a canon movie wouldn’t make sense

[grand flower]

i honestly don't give a damn about the anime which is stupid because the same people make the movies BUT

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, making a movie of OP is fine.

[grand flower]

I say that to say, i hope they ignore whatever that does for the anime

like ignore the logistics

[sturdy steeple]

I just feel like there will be better segments for that to happen.

[grand flower]

do it anywa

let the anime staff worry about that

because i want it

[ashen perch]

Also, OP is big big worldwide now, it wouldn't be wrong to say that it is the biggest animanga entity on the planet right now. I think they've gotta be taking worldwide sentiments in consideration here too

The question of "what will be a mega success worldwide"

Is important

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah

Exactly lol

[glass plume]

maybe they'll just make Stampede 2.0

"Everyone is HERE!"

[grand flower]

tbh

[sturdy steeple]

That’s the easiest route yeah

[grand flower]

they should do a movie like z or gold or strong world again

but more like the baron movie

don't just strip what's happening in the manga down and then repackaging it into a movie

[ashen perch]

I feel like

[grand flower]

that formula worked

but they should do something with a plot that's more "here's what OP as a whole is about"

For people who have recently begun gravitating toward OP

[pulsar path]

Ahh the canon movie debate

[ashen perch]

At this point, a present day story, with the ever escalating scale of the original?

Just too difficult to pull off

[grand flower]

I feel like something like

Straw Hats arrive at island, incidents ensue

incidents are resolved by credits

[alpine trench]

I don’t think a canon movie with One Piece works PERIOD

[pulsar path]

Lol I mean it doesn't for anything but

$$$$

[grand flower]

a canon movie in the same formula as the "episodes of..." projects would work just fine tho

[ashen perch]

Where do they even go from Shiki, Z, Bullet, Uta, like how do they manage to surpass that? Because clearly they will want to surpass it

[pulsar path]

The only people winning with canon movies are the studios

[grand flower]

Honestly deviating from the SHs at this point could be the solution to this

More and more reason for a me valley movie

[ashen perch]

Yeah thats the point

[grand flower]

oh shit

[ashen perch]

Something like God Valley not only feels bigger than all of that already, it also means that they don't really have to make up anything

Its an already existing mega scale incident that they'll really only have to adapt

[alpine trench]

A God Valley movie sounds like perhaps the worst idea to ever happen

[grand flower]

you're not usually this vague

[ashen perch]

Idk Harsh I think there are worse potential routes that Toei could be taking

Like trying to make up some bullshit like Bullet again

[alpine trench]

I don’t want a canon movie man

[ashen perch]

Or just Stampede in general

[proud pivot]

that is better than a godvalley movie

[alpine trench]

I’m fine with shitty fan service like Stampede which I don’t have to remember much and just enjoy it as peripheral material

[pulsar path]

God valley would be awesome but no way in hell there doing a movie without Luffy

[ashen perch]

Toei constantly aims to go bigger and bigger on these things, they chase after the success of the previous movies and aim to surpass it with more and more nonsensical cameo hypefests and aurafests

[vale heath]

I think a no Luffy movie could be to benefit

[sturdy steeple]

That doesn’t sound like too much of a problem lol

[pulsar path]

To us

But no one else

[vale heath]

Film red was almost that, and it wasn’t strictly Uta’s fault it wasn’t

[alpine trench]

This isn’t much of an issue

[pulsar path]

Luffy went gear 5th

And that's all people talked about

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, OP barely works in the way where you can cut it down to a movie.

[ashen perch]

The keyword is nonsensical, God Valley erases this issue

[pulsar path]

Listen if DBZ can't do a whole movie without the main character I don't think one-piece could

[ashen perch]

Also I don't get this

[glass plume]

what about Bardock

[pulsar path]

That was a tv special

And goku is still in it

[vale heath]

I don’t see a difference

[ashen perch]

A GV movie is essentially just adapting the chapters of the manga

[pulsar path]

Tv specials are double episodes

Also we're talking about "films"

[vale heath]

No I said movie

A moving picture

[sturdy steeple]

TV specials aren’t published worldwide for theatrical release.

[vale heath]

Film is a subset of movie, not a synonym

[alpine trench]

?

What

[ashen perch]

This isn't like asking for a GV movie a year ago, things have entirely changed now

[sturdy steeple]

LOL

[pulsar path]

Movies are 45 min double episodes that are also tied to another franchise when viewed a double feature. films are in theaters and are full length 140.min to 2 hours

[alpine trench]

What

[ashen perch]

We actually have a God Valley focused flashback, all Toei has to do is adapt it and they can adapt it in a movie, thats all

[alpine trench]

Where are you all getting these from

[sturdy steeple]

Bro am I having a stroke

[vale heath]

So, a 45 minute double episode, tied to one piece, without Luffy

Can do be doable

[pulsar path]

They haven't made one like that since before strong world

Ten plus years

And it would have to be wit a other anime franchise

[alpine trench]

A film is a presentation of images recorded on a film strip, which is also what a movie is, moving images

What is this shit

[pulsar path]

It would be 45 min one-piece and 45 another anime

[vale heath]

Movies can be not on a film strip

[alpine trench]

That’s how the term came about

[pulsar path]

Basicly a movie would be er be shown outside Japan

[alpine trench]

Now films/movies are being shot on digital, doesn’t mean they’re not films/movies

[pulsar path]

Infact how many of the onepiece movies are available now before strong world

[ashen perch]

Just saying, I haven't been keeping up much with anime in general but I have been seeing how absolutely massive those CSM and KnY movies were worldwide. There's no way Toei isn't thinking of hopping in on that trend.

They can't exactly do that with Elbaf or any coming arc

[sturdy steeple]

I would love if more people googled shit before confidently saying it out loud.

[ashen perch]

But they can do it with God Valley

[alpine trench]

These stories are adapting linear arcs in a straight fashion, which doesn’t work with God Valley which is alluded to in multiple different arcs and is entrenched in 500 different storylines

[pulsar path]

I think they can with the way that the anime is being split up

[sturdy steeple]

I’m sure Toei is thinking about it and that’s why they’re incorporating canon material into their recent movies.

But I don’t think GV works as a standalone movie is all I can say.

[pulsar path]

How many chapter does God valley have ?

[sturdy steeple]

You should also take into account that this flashback isn’t even done yet. And GV serves a purpose for it.

[ashen perch]

I am failing to see the difference between what they are doing and One Piece just releasing GV as a movie after these first two cours of Elbaf end.

[alpine trench]

1 and a half in egghead and 4-5 currently I think so far

[ashen perch]

because I reckon the first two cours of Elbaf will end right before the flashback

[pulsar path]

I mean rocks flashback basicly

[alpine trench]

Yeah, an entire cour can be dedicated to the flashback

Or perhaps more

[ashen perch]

no I mean

a movie

instead of a cour, they just do a movie first, whats the difference really?

[alpine trench]

I fail to see a need for a movie when the story is being adapted directly into the anime with more room for expansion through filler additions and context

[pulsar path]

I can only see that if the last hour is the conclusion of elbaf

[alpine trench]

This is the reason why the Haikyuu movie failed too imo

[ashen perch]

it failed??

[pulsar path]

Yeah but ....that's not onepiece

[ashen perch]

I thought it was a mega success

[alpine trench]

Not commercially

In how it adapted the story

[ashen perch]

I swear I saw that it was

ah

[sturdy steeple]

Well

[alpine trench]

It’s a success

[ashen perch]

well harsh

[alpine trench]

Context man

[ashen perch]

I havent argued for it being the right way to adapt the story

[sturdy steeple]

That was expected tbh

Still have to watch it though

[ashen perch]

I have just said that its a highly commercially successful model, that Toei will want to recreate

I have also said that I prefer it over Toei having to come up with more bullshit nonsensical scenarios for the movies that somehow manage to surapss everything they have ever done

[pulsar path]

I feel the same no way they won't want to cash in on this with possibly the biggest shonen out when equel to lease popular ones are banking

[ashen perch]

exactly

we'll probably get an announcement by Jump Festa, GV will be fully properly wrapped up by then too

so perfect timing if they choose to go that route

[proud pivot]

Godvalley 2027

Can't wait

[pulsar path]

But Iif it does happen the finale will deff be a movie than

Like the end of onepiece

Obviously we will get the chapter

But tbh I can see Toei trying to milk all they can out of the end of onepiece

[proud pivot]

Btw can you even adapt godvalley as a movie

It will be 15 chapters max

[proud pivot]

Maybe 10 chapters idk what godvalley chapter we're on

[ashen perch]

I mean they definitely can, start from Rocks showing up at Elbaf, show a little bit of the background and then end at 1167/8 or whenever GV ends

[ashen perch]

this one I doubt, I feel like the final war will just be too long for that

[pulsar path]

They will just split em into movies

[ashen perch]

maybe they turn the VC flashback into a movie lol

theyd have to do like

[proud pivot]

6 7

[ashen perch]

10 movies

[pulsar path]

Exactly like what there doing with demon slayer

[urban lodge]

Well it certainly has the hype moments and aura

[pulsar path]

Demon slayer movies are adapting 8 vol into three movies that's 65 chapters being adapted.

[ashen perch]

yea well Final War will be like a hundred chapters longer than that

[pulsar path]

Lol I don't think we will get an arc over 100 chapters any more

[ashen perch]

final war will be the exception

[pulsar path]

6 years for the final war?

[wraith mantle]

I feel like it will not be that long
Because Oda doesn’t need to spend a lot of chapters setting it up. In other arcs, like dressrosa for example, he needed to spend a lot of chapters on world building of the island and the backstory of its inhabitants.

[ashen perch]

6-7 years yea

[tranquil blade]

Oh

[grand flower]

@ashen perch @hot cairn

[pulsar path]

Yeah idk about that

[ashen perch]

shuron this better be worth it

[pulsar path]

That would mean like it ending towarss 2040

[ashen perch]

86 seconds of Jay D is a lot of time

[urban lodge]

Idk if Rocks made this fanbase dumber or just exposed their stupidity

[grand flower]

presented without commentary

[ashen perch]

didnt this guy say "boohoo, I am only watching the anime from now on because Elbaf sucks"

[urban lodge]

Yes

[alpine trench]

Aneurysm guaranteed

I don’t want to subject myself to that

[ashen perch]

okay that wasnt worth it at all, that was stupid

[wraith mantle]

You acting like Hathor, if he was anti rocks

[alpine trench]

Yeesh

[urban lodge]

That might be the most insulting thing anyone has ever said to me

[wraith mantle]

[alpine trench]

That hit the core man wow

[ashen perch]

I love how he is like "wait is Imu unstoppable because no one can stop Domi Reversi" and ends the clip by saying "thats a good question" to some dude saying "what has Imu done to be unstoppable if all he can do is be immortal and do Domi Reversi"

brilliant minds at work here

truly

anyways, about the final war

[grand flower]

lololol

[ashen perch]

I think what necessitates the length I am thinking of is just the amount of characters that are going to involved in it, I truly expect every single OP character alive to be present for the final war.

[grand flower]

"Why should I feel anything when someone other than the main character fights the main villain? I know they're gonna lose to the antagonist I want to see not win. Therefore there's no tension"

[alpine trench]

Rocks getting more development in this flashback than Funko will in the rest of the arc fr

[grand flower]

Funko?

[wraith mantle]

I mean I see his point, Imu just low diffed one of the strongest characters in this entire show

[rose rune]

Pop

[alpine trench]

Gunko

[pulsar path]

Idk many Gunko will be the process of mj

Princess*

[grand flower]

Oh okay I thought as much

You don't like Gunko?

[pulsar path]

Since Loki is out princess now

[alpine trench]

I’m gonna call her Funko from now on

[grand flower]

I think oda's been pretty cool with her

I like gunko

[urban lodge]

The real evil (Rocks fans) is right there but Harsh is beefing with us 💔

[grand flower]

cool power, glaze

[alpine trench]

I don’t think she’s interesting

[grand flower]

she's kind of hypebeast bait rn

[rose rune]

Gunko is fun. One of the more interesting dfs in a while

[alpine trench]

Sorry Penny I had to do it now that you’re here fr

[olive sigil]

Will you call her funkmu on Elbaf?

[grand flower]

i like when oda does that with women

[alpine trench]

She’s got a cool DF I agree

[ashen perch]

like just anybody you can think of, they will be at the Final War, and many of them will be getting extended roles too. And fights and all that. Oda is going to want to make it as big as possible.

[grand flower]

yeah i really like her fruit. and she's really competent to go with her coldblooded temperment

[ashen perch]

its the only arc that I expect to be longer than Wano, nothing else

[grand flower]

gunko's a really effective antagonist for me

[alpine trench]

Meh

[grand flower]

Her being like "I don't really get the point of taking hostages, but it seems to work on you people" was so good

[alpine trench]

I’m ok with more focus now but so far not moved by anything

[wraith mantle]

I think areal underestimate how quickly plot threads will collapse onto each other once we reach the end game, and we will be able to resolve things a whole lot faster

[pulsar path]

I mean tbh I feel oda has been practicing ways of showing fights with out going find depth I hate to bring up luccie bs Zoro but it feels like he leaves a lot of the fights to be done by the anime or like law vs BB. Of course like really important fights will be fleshed out but I could see like idk. Green bull vs a fleet member or what ever and it kinda being off screened

Basicly I feel oda will of screen majority of fights showing the clash a few attacks than skipping forward

[wraith mantle]

Or shanks vs Kidd

[ashen perch]

I just dont think thats gonna happen in the final war

[pulsar path]

Yeah it could be like that too

[ashen perch]

minor fights yea, but for example, every SH's final fight? I expect that to go on for a while lol

[pulsar path]

Idk even about that tbh

Most straw hats don't even get full fights per arc anymore

[wraith mantle]

Will chopper even have his own fight

[ashen perch]

he will

[pulsar path]

I for sure think he will e teamed up

[ashen perch]

Most SHs got their full fights in Wano

[pulsar path]

And people hate that arc because of the length

[urban lodge]

Every straw hat will get their fight

[wraith mantle]

Even Vivi???

[urban lodge]

It's only natural when that's their last chance to get one

[ashen perch]

I mean I think most people like Wano but thats besides the point

[urban lodge]

Sure, why not

[clever idol]

Kinda insane how this dudes opinions are something anyone takes seriously in the fandom. Says a lot about where we are

[ashen perch]

the last major fight arc gave most of the SHs their fights, its gonna be the same in Final War, its gonna be the same against the BBPs and it might be the same in Elbaf as well

[pulsar path]

I think every straw hat will have a role to play but that doesn't mean every one will fight

[ashen perch]

and see, thats not where it ends

The Strawhats are just one group that I expect to get their full fights

[rose rune]

For now we haven't seen much, so I'll just wait and see where oda takes it

[ashen perch]

there are going to be a lot of other major characters there too, from the Revos to the Marines to the Pirates on Luffy's side, there is just so many that quite clearly are guaranteed extended spotlight in the final war

I think if anything, its you all who underestimate this

[grand flower]

I was listening to the stream while driving and kept thinking that making Imu seem impossibly strong and showing that raw power isn't the solution works well because Imu is the antagonist, then he said Imu doesn't even seem unstoppable if you ignore the things that does make him seem unstoppable. Doesn't make any sense

[ashen perch]

I was there before Wano started, there were only a few guys throwing around predictions like "it will be 150-200 chapters

most believed it wouldnt be that long

[clever idol]

Yea to me oda's been preparing for the final war with the massive arcs like marineford or dressrosa or wano.

[ashen perch]

yeah for sure

[wraith mantle]

How long was wano

[ashen perch]

149 chapters

this is gonna be the ultimate version of the big arc format from Oda, with more characters than anything ever.

[clever idol]

I think what ive noticed is....he doesnt do a good job at getting his point across. I think what he really has issue with is how imu is unstoppable.

He doesnt care for immortality or domi reversi

Which is fine but just say that instead of nonsense

[ashen perch]

I mean there's a little bit of patience required there, or maybe more than a little bit but yea

[cold steppe]

I can understand the domi reversi criticism, but only if we already seen it countless times. Imu and his abilities are still a mystery and some people judge it as a done deal

We've only seen it 2 times and we don't know how it works

[grand flower]

She's a pleasant little surprise to me rn

[ashen perch]

its silly to go all insane over this stuff when Oda is just in the process of introducing the ability, we are going to learn of its limitations, we're going to learn of what allows Imu to use it on someone, we're going to learn of how it can be reversed

[wraith mantle]

The main criticism is how easy it was for Imu to defeat one of the strongest fighters in history
Rocks is easily top 5 strongest of all time and he went down just like that

It kinda kills any suspense

[clever idol]

Yea but jay d spearheads the silliest part of the community, agenda piece. Which is all about jumping to conclusions with each new chapter

[ashen perch]

but Rocks is irrelevant to the suspense and tension in the present day

[clever idol]

Is he really top 5 if imu coulf do this so easily?

[ashen perch]

also true

[wraith mantle]

Lmao, but yeah in all seriousness he probably is

[cold steppe]

I feel like that's only coming from overloving characters "aura" "coolness" and silly stuff like that

[clever idol]

Also imu taking out rox so easily shoyld be doing the opposite of killing suspenss

[smoky valve]

vro, he fought garlin earlier... also demons of his family

[distant vine]

Shouldnt it be the reverse?

[wraith mantle]

Eh, what part of what I said has anything to do with aura

[distant vine]

This ups the tension dramatically

[clever idol]

I was serious when i asked

[urban lodge]

The flower room scene had people fooled and they forgot that the narrator said his bum ass couldn't do shit

[ashen perch]

thats what I was gonna say yea Indi

[grand flower]

I think his most salient/valid point was that he didn't like the idea of Nika's powers being the only thing that can counter the Domi Reversi, but I disagree with him there.

I feel like that would be a problem if Nika's power was able to counter a large variety of different powers. Nika being one power that is a counter to Imu's one power isn't a problem, individual powers countering each other happens all the time in stories. Especially considering all of this is stemming from one power anyway, Imu's

[smoky valve]

u can see that he got some stiches after fight with garlin

[wraith mantle]

Idk, I can’t name 5 people stronger than him

[ashen perch]

The whole idea is to present Imu as being this all powerful being, to make the reader question just how he can be stopped, it is reinforcing the idea that the SHs in Elbaf are utterly doomed

its not like Rocks is the antagonist we're facing, it is Imu lol

[clever idol]

I can think of 3 potentially

Which meams there could be more

[wraith mantle]

Idk how to respond to that

[ashen perch]

I could make up a list of 10 characters stronger than Rocks and really no one would know if its true or not so does it really matter

[cold steppe]

I only told you where that criticism people have might originate from

[distant vine]

I could see wanting a longer fight than 1 chapter, but alas it would just be Imu regenerating over and over

[clever idol]

This is all about expectations vs reality

[distant vine]

Oda got his point across

[urban lodge]

Those expectations were always unreasonable is what's funny

[wraith mantle]

Let’s hear it then

[urban lodge]

We've always known he failed and died forgotten by history

[wraith mantle]

Give me 10 names

[ashen perch]

uh at their best, Mihawk, Shanks, Roger, Garp, Imu, Joyboy, Ryuma, Akainu, Dragon and Kaido are all stronger

[rose rune]

People were just weaker back then. Strength inflation and such and so

[ashen perch]

oh right WB

[pulsar path]

5km haki shockwave is as big as wind waker map

[ashen perch]

hey I mean theres nothing that goes against this idea

Rocks died before any of his peers peaked

[smoky valve]

rocks literally strongest after imu, it take grap and roger to kill his battle iq-less clone

[rose rune]

So true

[urban lodge]

Domi reversi is a buff

[ashen perch]

well gotta wait and see on that one lol

[urban lodge]

He's stronger than what he would be normally

[wraith mantle]

I can respect Imu joyboy ryuma Roger and WB and maybe Garp

[ashen perch]

but also, yes, Domi Reversi will not be a nerf, Imu mentioned that with Dorry and Brogy

[wraith mantle]

But dragon and kaido? Idk

[ashen perch]

youre simply not ready for Dragon

[distant vine]

So this means I can argue Garp > Base Rocks

GODA

[rose rune]

Dragon will mentally buff himself by remembering the babies he lost

[pulsar path]

Dragon back story should eclipse Rocks if you ask me

[smoky valve]

rock lost to plot, they literally baited bro to back to his homeland and used domi

[urban lodge]

Skill issue

[ashen perch]

UNCANNY strength, obviously a very signficant strength buff

[pulsar path]

Straight out of a smt game

[distant vine]

I wanna see Shamrock-Imu

[smoky valve]

my goat never doubted himself, trust

[smoky valve]

they traded brain for strength...

[ashen perch]

theres zero mention of this affecting the brain btw lol

[urban lodge]

Yeah where are you getting that from

They're still perfectly functional

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy just got more evil with it, and a lot more ruthless

they are functioning perfectly normally, just evilly

[smoky valve]

they ain't using any serious attack forms tho

[ashen perch]

I mean let them fight first

[rose rune]

Oh no. Will this be another "named attack" discussion?

[smoky valve]

pls, oda ,at least nerf battle iq

[ashen perch]

this is just Dorry and Brogy but Evil, thats the only difference

[urban lodge]

Demon hakoku will go so hard

[rose rune]

"Evil axe swing!"

[pulsar path]

Idk pretty obvious that Nika is the answer to Domi

[ashen perch]

its gonna be the same with Rocks, he will be like 10 times more evil

[rose rune]

White piece vs black piece

"I'll just flip them back"

[urban lodge]

Agenda piecers hate domi reversi Rocks because of power scaling, I hate it because it's Oda being a coward and not letting him do bad things yet again, we're not the same

[pulsar path]

Yeah basicly And I think the one thing that was missing from God valley was Nika. I wonder if Rocks even believed Nika fruit existed type crap. Or if it was that fruit or BB fruit he was looking for

[pulsar path]

Another theory is haki intent. The idea is that Joy boys haki he sent with Emmth didn't have like malice or had happy emotion that ended up blowing everything back maybe even hope? So maybe if Luffy approves this gaint bros with kinship like spirit it will change them back? Maybe using haki friendship 🤣

[rose rune]

Oh true. I had forgorten my evil and good haki phase

[pulsar path]

But to think it super apparent in both cases Luffy/Nika isn't present. Ik that's super obvious but that's probably going to be the key

[dapper tree]

Luffy and Bonney can do that

[pulsar path]

Man I keep forgetting about bonney being present

[clever idol]

U really had your heart set on rox being as evil as sengoku said he was huh

[vestal heath]

Good morning

[dapper tree]

More Nikas in elbaf

[urban lodge]

Oda can't even let him do pirate things without making the people he's stealing from evil

[clever idol]

Why is this an issue

[urban lodge]

It's just dumb lol

[clever idol]

Why

[dapper tree]

Rocks was never evil, but he also wasn't good

He was an ass

[clever idol]

Genuinely tryna understand what the issue is outside of your expectations not being met

[urban lodge]

Weird presentation

I know the point is he's not as evil as we were led to believe

[alpine trench]

But then what’s weird about it

[urban lodge]

But I think Oda went too far in the other direction

[alpine trench]

What’s too far

Do you think this flashback redeems him into a fully good guy

[urban lodge]

No

But I don't think we see enough of these supposedly bad things he's done aside from hitting Loki

[dapper tree]

Ehhh

[alpine trench]

This does feel like misplaced expectation

[dapper tree]

Do we really need to see him crucify a bunch of random people

Or like be mean to another child

Or insult someone and hurt their feelings

[urban lodge]

I just wish we'd seen more of the stuff the narrator talked about

[dapper tree]

We don't have time for that

We don't even have time for this

We need to get to loki's part of the flashback

And the present

[olive sigil]

Take your time with this first

[tranquil blade]

We can have like at least 6 or 7 more chapters before the flashback ends easily

[olive sigil]

I’m thinking of 6 yeah

[clever idol]

Like sinking the ships and leveling the towns? We could have seen it for sure but...i dont know if it wouldve changed how we see his character all that much ya know?

It could for some

[dapper tree]

He should have beat up some old guy trying to cross the street

[urban lodge]

There's a meta level to why I dislike this and it's because people talk about him like he's the nicest guy to have ever lived

[dapper tree]

And then take his pay check

[urban lodge]

And I think his presentation is partly to blame on that

[tranquil blade]

He should have taken candy from a baby, that would’ve really made him look evil

[clever idol]

Fair

Cant disagree with that

[hasty sable]

Xebec isn’t nice he’s just on the right side

[dapper tree]

I mean, when you are known as evil in the one piece world. It is super hard to be more evil than the CDs so rocks being evil is gonna be lighter no matter what

[clever idol]

Those same ppl would still love him tho

[hasty sable]

Xebec isn’t portrayed as very nice at all. He’s just more noble than he initially seems.

[dapper tree]

Would be so hard for rocks to be more evil than the WG and CDs

[clever idol]

Weve just also sesn far more evil characters some of which are in his crew

[hasty sable]

Kind of plays into the whole theme with Loki and Harald

[dapper tree]

Ehhh

BM and Kaido ain't worse than the CDs

[tranquil blade]

Literally impossible

[dapper tree]

They are evil

[clever idol]

Talking xebec

Not cd

On the scale of evil vharacters in op. Xebec isnt outweighing a lot of characters

[wet condor]

Kaido and Big Mom are a smidgen worse than Xebec based on what we've been shown

[dapper tree]

Yeah, I see that

[wet condor]

Kaido and Big Mom actually have slaves. Big Mom was laughing about all the people who were gonna die in the Flower Capital when Kaido dropped Onigashima on them lol

[dapper tree]

What a funny joke

A knee slapper

[wet condor]

Xebec hasn't been shown acting like that really

[hasty sable]

All the stuff we’ve heard about Xebec doing are just the same things Roger has done

[tranquil blade]

Kaido pretty much talks about how easy it’ll be to get more slaves

[wet condor]

Would be that surprised if he was that evil? Not really

Only slightly

[tranquil blade]

While Xebec seems to take no part in the slave trade

[wet condor]

Yeah

[hasty sable]

I don’t think Xebec is lord over a country and starve them to death evil

[wet condor]

I was gonna mention that next

[wet condor]

I don't think so?

[hasty sable]

I don’t think he would go out of his way for anyone he doesn’t like either

[wet condor]

But he was also razing towns to the ground

So idk

[urban lodge]

I hate how little we know about him as a person

[hasty sable]

But I do think he is meant to stand for something noble in the story

[urban lodge]

Why does he want to be king of the world?

Why does he know so much?

[wet condor]

Oda never really got us to see him do anything first hand really. It'd be even easier to form an opinion about who he is then

[hasty sable]

He is literally at this point the only character making a stand against empire

[tranquil blade]

because WG is corrupt

[clever idol]

Big mom enjoys playing death games mind u. I wouldnt say a smidgen worse. She enjoys making ppl suffer. And kaido just believes the weak should suffer what they must. Xebec enjoyed beating a child so he could be as sadistic as bm but we just dont see enough lol.

[urban lodge]

Sigh

[hasty sable]

He’s a case of good not being nice

[tranquil blade]

Well I assume the Davy clan has been passing down stories and information for centuries

[urban lodge]

This is perfectly plausible and it would take one single speech bubble for Oda to explain it but he doesn't

[clever idol]

Even the leveling towns is dubious cuz hes leading piratws like kaido and bm who woyldnt care about collateral

[hasty sable]

I think it’s strongly implied

That he gets it from his family on God Valley

[tranquil blade]

Kidd is really not that different for example except he actually did crucify people in a panel so actually he’s more evil than Xebec

[hasty sable]

Kid actually is kind of evil

Lol

[wet condor]

That's what he's called in the databooks

He seems more brutal than I'd say evil

I don't view him like Big Mom either lol

Or Kaido

[tranquil blade]

If Xebec was alive I don’t think Luffy would have any issue working with him on moral grounds

[hasty sable]

Kid killing people who laugh at him and crucifying people just because he can

Is worse than anything Xebec has done lol

[clever idol]

He crucified ppl and enjoyed it

[hasty sable]

Kid is fun I want him back

[tranquil blade]

Kidd is definitely a bit sadistic

[clever idol]

That weve seen at least

[wet condor]

He did but they're also pirates

I guess I don't feel that bad for them lol

[clever idol]

He likely did this to civilians too

[hasty sable]

The country probably deserved it if I’m being honest

[tranquil blade]

[dapper tree]

[clever idol]

Remember tjey said in sabpady he had a high body county amongst civilians which is why his bounty was higher

[hasty sable]

And the ships and ports

Probably all marines therefore they had it coming

[tranquil blade]

and the thing is I can’t say that it’s a silly thought completely cause like

[wet condor]

Kidd is a weird case. Because that dossier that Shanks was reading makes it seem like he was just attacking innocent people. Just rampaging. And then that stuff Shakky said

It also seems like he'll leave you alone if you don't provoke him

But if you do

[tranquil blade]

We see them steal from a place that was basically doing fake charities

[wet condor]

Well, that's your ass lol

[clever idol]

Thing is...it doesnt take much to provoke him. Remember apoo?

[tranquil blade]

So it’s entirely possible that the kingdom was corrupt

[urban lodge]

At this point I'm unironically expecting them all to be evil and for him to have a noble reason for wanting to become king of the world

[clever idol]

Apoo just looked at him

[wet condor]

Was this Sabaody?

[clever idol]

Yea

[wet condor]

Lol, I don't remember this

[hasty sable]

Kid come back and redeem that humiliating loss please

[clever idol]

Couldve been anime only maybe? But i remember apoo looking at him and him trying to kick his ass

[wet condor]

It's coming

[hasty sable]

Apoo does have that effect on people

[wet condor]

This is how on edge I thought Xebec was going to be

[tranquil blade]

The best bet he has is idk, I guess Captain John’s treasure maybe, could be hidden in a way where you need the jika jika to find it

[hasty sable]

Kid will probably do something in the Shanks/Shamrock arc

[clever idol]

He felt this way upon introduction when he asked loki two questions

[hasty sable]

Like Law will in the Teach/Will of D. stuff

[wet condor]

Fr lol

[clever idol]

Like any wrong answer wouldve cost loki his life

And then he winds up an acoc attack on the poor kid with all the glee in the world

[hasty sable]

Just a tap

[clever idol]

Just replace loki with baby shanks and xebec instantly seems far worse

[severe marsh]

Saying something every second i can till I get to lvl 10

Howdy yall

Howdy yall

[tranquil blade]

Well yeah one of them is a regular baby and the other one is a 40 foot tall toddler

[severe marsh]

Wonderful weather we're having today

The one piece is real

[dapper tree]

It's storming

[severe marsh]

Suupeer

[urban lodge]

You only get xp once a minute

[severe marsh]

I still have my friends

Bruh

What

[dapper tree]

No spam for you

[severe marsh]

Anybody who has gifs here is officially a no life in my eyes

[dapper tree]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[dapper tree]

The literal exact same thing

[tranquil blade]

What if this didnt actually happen and Loki lied to make himself sound tougher

[dapper tree]

That makes him even cooler

[urban lodge]

I hope by the end of the arc Loki realizes the one he should actually be admiring is his dad

[dense haven]

that flashback is a lie because real roger would never be a fraud

[iron oriole]

The man who got gifted Pirate King isn't a fraud

[dapper tree]

Admires luffy instead

And joins the SHs

[dense haven]

roger got lucky rocks was jumped

he would never become pk with rocks alive

[mighty cliff]

Every pirates just Somali upscale

[hasty sable]

Xebec was just honoring Loki as a warrior

[iron oriole]

Rocks did nothing wrong, Loki asked for it

[hasty sable]

Luffy would have punched Loki

[iron oriole]

Basically if you want to hang with the big boys then don't be shocked if you get some cuts/bruises etc

[dense haven]

astrid did nothing wrong

[iron oriole]

Too far

Estrid was a monster

[clever idol]

Giant discrimination at his finest

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[distant vine]

Does laughing count as provoking

I guess it does

[hot cairn]

this is so stupid, why did you say yesterday that you misjudged him?

[hot cairn]

longer than Wano is crazy

[ashen perch]

final war??

not at all

[severe marsh]

Dream one piece blunt rotation?

[hazy turret]

Dream is in one piece??

[graceful grove]

who

[grand flower]

I figured he's willing to be responsive to criticism but he's doubling down on takes that don't make much sense

[sly belfry]

4kids reference

[vale heath]

What if I punched Luffy

[fallen meteor]

Would go boioioing

[distant vine]

She's really no-nonsense which pairs well with Somners loving to drag out the misery

This Domi Reversi drama is reminding me of the Bonney G5 doomerism

Its ok to have concerns but people are making scenarios in their head to get mad at

[fallen meteor]

Whats the domi reversi drama? People thinking imu is going to use on other top fighters?

[distant vine]

They think its overpowered

[dense haven]

imu is literally top 1 in the verse ofc it's gonna be op

[iron oriole]

It is tbf but it makes sense

Like i expect Imu to have the most broken abilities that ever did ability

[mighty cliff]

Don kreigs around

Tfym

[distant vine]

Trying to find a post that may have a consensus from the Anti-Domi Reversi side

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/s/ou27ZbJOZa

This might do

[iron oriole]

Classic Pirate Folk

[distant vine]

Okay, I think I can understand the feeling that this is an anticlimatic ending for Rocks (I do believe its downhill for him from here)

I think this goes back to the issue of having a villian with regen, but if Oda put another chapter or even two into the fight I think people would be less mad

Though I understand why Oda didnt because itd be Imu taking no perma damage for 3 chapters straight

[fallen meteor]

I feel domi was thought by oda to justify rocks dying and getting a bad rep
It probably is heavily nerfed in a way we dont know still
Maybe the homeland thing

[hot cairn]

his way of viewing the story is very flawed

[fallen meteor]

Its also kinda ass to try to make sense of the whole when we just know the parts at the moment lol

[distant vine]

This second point, eh it doesnt really change that dynamic for me anyways

[grand flower]

Yeah he has a part of the stream where he straight up says "Why would I think about what can come later, my reaction is based entirely off what's right in front of me" it's a juvenile perspective imo

[fallen meteor]

The Nika fruit thing is dumb since supposedly it "runs away" from them and they cant confirm it

[distant vine]

For the future, I'll be curious as to what counter Domi Reversi will have

[grand flower]

I think the funniest thing about these posts is that these guys think they thought of this, but it hasn't occurred to Oda

[distant vine]

I also dont think this needs as much of an explanation as Saturn's moves anyways, so if people are worried about that I think they should chill

[fallen meteor]

If the home theory is true it kinda is fully countered, just dont be on your home land

[dense haven]

it's haki lol what else would it be

[distant vine]

Trying to stay positive.

[grand flower]

I can't believe more people don't stop to think "Let me wait and see if Oda accounts for this and addresses it before I become so invested in this take"

[distant vine]

OP has a good power system
OP has a good power system
OP has a good power system

[grand flower]

The fact that it worked on Rocks suggests it's more than just raw power at least, and that's already interesting

[ashen perch]

as someone who has in the past overreacted to things, I think people really gotta stop it lol

[distant vine]

Thats true

[ashen perch]

learn to sit back and observe, not everything needs immediate panicking or whatever

and I know the original just says reaction but its more than that

[distant vine]

Yeah Im only gonna judge in the moment if my critique is of an event in the moment

[fallen meteor]

I like the idea of the homeland theory for domi since it seems like a game rule lol
Seems congruent

[proud pivot]

When do you think we'll get to know about the domi reversi conditions

[dense haven]

what the hell is the homelander theory

[grand flower]

It’s kinda crazy for OP cause the entire framework of the story has turned out to be “wait and see” since chapter 100

[distant vine]

This arc

[warm sierra]

Someone in power for 800 years completely unopposed with only yes men under them making incompetent decisions is extremely realistic idk what they are on about

[iron oriole]

Once we're back in the present

[distant vine]

Dorry and Broggy gotta be reversed

[grand flower]

Domi Reversi only works on you if you’re on your homeland

[fallen meteor]

You can only be domi'd on your home land

[ashen perch]

I think that one clicks well in place yeah, thats my favorite

[fallen meteor]

Rocks in GV, giants on elbaf, davies on GV

Stuff like that

Theres this latin translation too

[distant vine]

Fun and games until Luffy gets teleported to the Goa Kingdom

[dense haven]

that's very specific

[hot cairn]

that’s so dumb and even more with a story like One Piece lol. He’s blinded by jumping to conclusions too fast

[iron oriole]

The latin means to return home

[warm sierra]

Did Imu even put 1 and 1 together that God Valley is his homeland before they had the davy conversation? What was his plan originally if not?

[fallen meteor]

@dense haven

[ashen perch]

• Domi reversi translates to "I have returned home" in English, so thats where the idea comes from.
• It has only worked on Giants in Elbaf and Rocks and his family in God Valley so far
• Imu didnt do it to Rocks in Marie Geoise

[proud pivot]

It's fine if we get the answers to how to stop regen permanently and domi reversi conditions this arc

[hot cairn]

literally

[dense haven]

like I'm sure this isn't the last time reversi will be used so is imo gonna fight people in the homelands every time?

[iron oriole]

I still want to know who domi'd Rocks dad etc because presumably.... Imu hadn't shown up yet

[fallen meteor]

Would work well for an "overpowered" ability

[dense haven]

doesn't seem likely

[ashen perch]

I actually think the usage of this ability is going to be rare

more giants in Elbaf? sure
Loki in Elbaf? sure
Celestial Dragons in Marie Geoise? sure

it won't be used outside of these scenarios.

[grand flower]

I still think it’s in reference to this

[fallen meteor]

I think it works as a way to limit the usage and to easily explain how ancient kingdoms fell for it

[proud pivot]

What happens if Imu domi reversi Doflamingo, does he become nice

[distant vine]

No

[fallen meteor]

Didnt i link you that

[distant vine]

Otherwise Rocks would become nice

[proud pivot]

When

[ashen perch]

I am no latin expert unfortunately but wouldnt it be differently worded?

[fallen meteor]

Yesterday

[proud pivot]

Doflamingo is pure evil though

[proud pivot]

Oh lemme check

LOL

It's Usopps arc guys

[hot cairn]

also, I saw that part of the stream, he just seems butthurt by his favorite character been done so quickly ngl

[distant vine]

Nah if you think Usopp is gonna get strong in Elbaf youre fried for sure

[grand flower]

No, I think it’s supposed to be metaphor, poetic. “Home is where the heart is” type shit

[distant vine]

Me who thinks he'll get character moments? I still have hope

[hot cairn]

oh he seems less white lol

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/obelix-asterix-and-gif-26070032

[distant vine]

So can he only get most of the SH's on the Sunny?

[grand flower]

I couldn’t believe it honestly. “Why would I exercise foresight” just said straight up

[fallen meteor]

Yeah he got a bit tan

[ashen perch]

true true

all the designs are less pale/white, idk if theres been a character designer change or what but its not Usopp alone

[grand flower]

No I don’t think that has anything to do with it. I think it’s called “returning home” because that’s how Imu sees turning people into demons, returning them to their natural states in his eyes

I think it has more to do with emotions. Or perhaps you have to deny Imus command since he gave instructions to Brogy and Rocks that they obviously shot down

I think Imu gives those instructions to stir negative emotions and he’s able to convert people with those emotions

Brogy attacked him. Anger and malice

[grand flower]

Kinda like the love love fruit

Which Blackbeard wanted…

[distant vine]

So the condition to you is behavior fitting that of a demon?

[grand flower]

Part of it, I think

I feel like you need malice or something in your heart

[fallen meteor]

Nami resisting a domi reversi in marigeoise after we learn shes nerona mi because her heart is on the sunny 🔥

[grand flower]

It probably wouldn’t work on someone like Vivi or Luffy or Shirahoshi who are pure of heart

[ashen perch]

it would be funny if it revealed the origins of characters lol

like imagine Imu tries it on Usopp

and it just works for some reason

[digital spear]

I also wondered where youve been, we are unlucky with the timezones

[distant vine]

Luffy has malice tho

[digital spear]

❤️

[iron oriole]

I'd be more inclined to believe the Homeland theory if they actually did plan on luring Rocks to God Valley & knew he was a Davey

[digital spear]

Wait cook

[distant vine]

Even Vivi isnt pure of heart

[ashen perch]

Luffy is pure hearted

[fallen meteor]

Maybe rocks isnt as smart as he thinks

Maybe if you go high enough they had a plan to lure him there..

[grand flower]

It also seems to be affecting some of Roger’s people

[digital spear]

When did Kierran send that message

[fallen meteor]

Or maybe they just wanted to use the other davies there lol

[iron oriole]

Idk... i feel if that was the case then why put Harald in his way

[grand flower]

Luffy is righteous. So is Vivi. Their malice isn’t misplaced or unjustified

[iron oriole]

Like a min ago

[hot cairn]

it’s not surprising if you’ve heard his other takes

[digital spear]

It just doesnt show for me

Only in other messages replying to it

[iron oriole]

Classic Discord

[grand flower]

Oh ya not surprising he believes that way, I just couldn’t believe someone actually said it straight up out loud

[distant vine]

Laboon tho

[fallen meteor]

Maybe the plan was just the other davy guys
Rocks being there was a problem for then that turned opportunity? Idk

[grand flower]

Most of the time, the people who read OP that way don’t even seem to be conscious of it

[hot cairn]

Ignorance is bliss

[iron oriole]

I'm glad you mentioned the other Daveys because imo thats the biggest ? In GV rn

Who tf Domi'd them

[fallen meteor]

I feel domi reversi is the perfect "lets make everyone think this guy was evil all along"

[fallen meteor]

I have been asking this...maybe someone has that book? Garling?

[hot cairn]

Penny’s worst nightmare

[digital spear]

Maybe Imu was there already

[iron oriole]

Garling is a possibility since he did have them with him, could also be Gunko, we've seen very little of her so far

[iron oriole]

Imuturn appears after

So unless they appeared, domi'd them, left & came back...

[digital spear]

Yeah but maybe Imu was there before in a different form

[fallen meteor]

I dont think so
When they arrive everybody reacts to it

[iron oriole]

Logic does say Imu did it but its just odd

[fallen meteor]

Maybe domi isnt a thing that needs to happen when imu attacks

Maybe it could work as a seed inside you

Like he attacks you and plants it but the activation happens when you are in your home + Imu wants to

Could be what shanks had on his arm

And a reason for him losing it

[grand flower]

I do feel validated, I’ve felt for a while the crux of 90% of these types of takes comes from not considering how much waiting goes into OP

[wary jacinth]

hello.
I recently watched the fight of ace vs bb and I realized it's quite obvious the power to sink anything into darkness is basically the power of the locker of David Jones.

[fallen meteor]

If we consider less place of birth and more "where the heart is"

[digital spear]

Exactly

[fallen meteor]

I feel my brain developing a new insane theory

[fallen meteor]

I should get that checked by a doctor

[wary jacinth]

xd?

[digital spear]

XD

!pfp @wary jacinth

[tropic nova]

Here is @wary jacinth's avatar.

[hot cairn]

they can’t see the vision long term and are quick to react without critical thinking

[wary jacinth]

hey, why do you think Imu wasn't damaged? I think that form is like a shadow or like Nami's mirage tempo. It doesn't matter how hard you hit a shadow or mist, you won't damage it.

[digital spear]

He might not even have a form

[digital spear]

Every One Piece doomreader acts like the current chapter is the last one

[wary jacinth]

what's that?

doomreader?

[digital spear]

someone who hates One Piece but still reads it

[wary jacinth]

xd

[grand flower]

That’s really what bothers me about this subset of fans. A lot of these concerns don’t hold up to any scrutiny

[alpine trench]

What’s the deal with Jay D Legend

[hot cairn]

yeah it’s kinda silly

I don’t understand why people like that don’t fully drop it and move on

[urban lodge]

There's two separate controversies around him

[hot cairn]

true

[urban lodge]

One is about him saying one piece isn't political or something and the other is him complaining about domi reversi being too broken

[nova thicket]

Lmao the first one is just funny

[hot cairn]

did you watched the video Shuron sent?

[nova thicket]

How do you read this series for years and not get it

[urban lodge]

Not surprising coming from an agenda bro

[hot cairn]

he said OP isn’t political?

[pseudo gulch]

How can you read a thousand chapters of this series and say it's not political

[urban lodge]

Idk what exactly he said but it was along those lines

[pseudo gulch]

There's a literal war against the world government

[hot cairn]

has a whole channel dedicated to the series too LOL

[alpine trench]

I remember him discussing with Merphy and talking about some political aspects

[gritty tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-vrchat-vr-emperor-of-vrchat-blackbeard-gif-19995325

[alpine trench]

Has he said it fairly recently

[hot cairn]

I’m surprised this friendship even exists

[ashen perch]

that conversation sounds funny lmao, I didnt know they collabed

[hot cairn]

they do a lot

[pseudo gulch]

Domi Reverse being too strong is a fine take imo, even tho we don't know a lot about it right now

[hot cairn]

it’s always a shock that Merphy likes him LOL

[ashen perch]

I dont keep up but its just like, two polar opposite people

[urban lodge]

It's relatively recent

[pseudo gulch]

But One Piece being apolitical is straight up wrong

[urban lodge]

A few weeks ago

Domi reversi being broken is like, the most natural thing

[hazy turret]

Jay d legend downfall is finally here??

My prayers have been answered

[warm sierra]

How is it too strong when it at the very least partially hasnt led to what Imu wanted so far?

[hot cairn]

should’ve happened years ago

[alpine trench]

He doesn’t like it because it’s not matching his agenda? What’s his reasoning

Domi Reversi i mean

[hot cairn]

@alpine trench

[warm sierra]

Rocks didnt kill BB and we dont know yet if domi reversi is gonna do anything on Elbaf

[alpine trench]

That’s 86 seconds I don’t want to waste my time on fr

[ashen perch]

at the core of it, its really just impatience to me, like thats the thing that breaks apart so many of these takes

[hot cairn]

well, it has your answer

[alpine trench]

I find him annoying

[ashen perch]

its like its these people's first time reading the series, while they pretend like theres nothing else coming later

[alpine trench]

Is it just the typical “bad writing” excuse

[hot cairn]

it’s like what YC said earlier, they think every chapter is the last chapter of the story lol

[urban lodge]

He thinks it's bad because Rocks is supposed to be strong and Imu got rid of him too easily

[graceful belfry]

Pffft

[ashen perch]

well he thinks its too cracked because hes assuming that just anyone can be beaten by it, and then at the same time, he ends the clip by contradicting himself as well by agreeing with someone who is like "take away regen and domi, what makes Imu unstoppable?"

like genuinely we're looking at an unbeliveable mind at work here

[hot cairn]

basically he thinks it’s bad because if it can happen to rocks it could happen to anyone, also that it should have some limitations. That Imu being unbeatable ruins tension LOL

[alpine trench]

Fucking idiot

[urban lodge]

It does the opposite if anything

[graceful belfry]

❔

[alpine trench]

Goddamn where do these guys come from

[urban lodge]

We've known this guy was dead for 200 chapters, what tension

[grand flower]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/drew-scanlon-blonde-guy-blinking-eyes-blinking-meme-surprised-gif-7852244

[urban lodge]

For the present though it does the complete opposite of what he's claiming

[grand flower]

My genuine reaction hearing that play out

[urban lodge]

Can't believe the guy who has ruled the world for almost a millennium is broken, who would have thought

[grand flower]

Starts off saying there’s no tension becausw the antagonist seems unbeatable

[hot cairn]

the real unbelievable part of this is how many people agree with him

[ashen perch]

this bit just confuses me, who actually is the antagonist in the current arc and in general, for the series? its not Rocks now is it?

how does this make sense

[barren token]

next chapter in 9 days lets gooo

[ashen perch]

uh 2 days

[urban lodge]

It doesn't make sense from any angle

[grand flower]

Oh you mean Imu surviving 6 legendary powerhouses at once doesnt make you doubt how the SHs can win?

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[ashen perch]

yeah lol

[barren token]

There's no tension if zoro is against him

Imu doesn't stand a chance

[ashen perch]

words have meanings, its clear that he wants to throw around a buzzword without understanding what it actually means

the concept of tension being reduced because a villain is looking powerful....

[hot cairn]

OP fans like to throw around the word “tension” but they never really know what it means lol

[gloomy light]

Tension Piece is back

[hot cairn]

it’s so stupid man

[gloomy light]

Also some of the people who go on about tension being nonexistent in the story read spoilers which I find funny

[ashen perch]

thats another thing, the whole concept of spoilers goes against the format in which the story is meant to be consumed

[alpine trench]

Also, the fact that he isn’t reading this as a story that’s being told of a legend but he’s seeing this in again, a lens of agenda, of powerscaling

And then he complains about the fact that this is bad writing?

[ashen perch]

and then these people get mad that the story aint hitting anymore, because they did catch up the right way but proceeded to read everything else after it through spoilers

[frail kindle]

I say we quarantine every user with the spoiler roles to the spoiler channels forever

[ashen perch]

(well tbf some of them didnt even catch up the right way but still)

[gloomy light]

Wiki readers rise up

[ashen perch]

Shueisha just needs to put a stop to it, make it so no one can read em again...

[hot cairn]

how

[barren token]

cut out all one piece fans eyes

[grand flower]

LMAO

[barren token]

so they can't read spoilers

[ashen perch]

I mean they could go digital with the release format

[fallen meteor]

Agree

[ashen perch]

harsh but fair

[hot cairn]

doesnt that mean Oda would need to draw digitally?

[ashen perch]

nah

[grand flower]

I think it’s cause they transport paper manuscripts

[frail kindle]

leakers somehow have their hands on the digital versions already, that won't do shit

[grand flower]

If they immediately submitted the manuscripts digitally, there wouldn’t be leaks

Is that it?

[barren token]

how do you think odas drawings get online?

[fallen meteor]

I think leakers get from tlers

[fallen meteor]

Official tlers

[ashen perch]

yeah Shuron thats it

[fallen meteor]

Or someone on the team

[hot cairn]

idk

[hazy turret]

Ain’t that the truth

[grand flower]

I heard it has something to do with the fact that they transport the magazines to stores ahead of the release date, which ofc

And people involved in that leak the magazine

Idk how it all comes together but that’s details I’ve heard

[ashen perch]

so the thing is, yes Redon still seems to have a digital source, but he wont ever leak anything if the physical release didnt exist

[frail kindle]

you're assuming a lot there

[ashen perch]

its just too risky

[grand flower]

@hazy turret

[frail kindle]

@grand flower

[ashen perch]

nobody does it, redon was yelling at guys who leaked digital panels

[hot cairn]

@frail kindle

[ashen perch]

so I think its fair to assume that he wont do something like that himself

[grand flower]

I think it’s easier to find the leaks when it’s this early in the stage

Track who’s doing it

[ashen perch]

yeah, thats where the risk factor comes in

they caught the digital guy lol

because it was really obvious who was doing it

redon even celebrated his arrest

but yes, the main source of leaks is the physical release

[grand flower]

That’s actually incredible

[proud pivot]

why did they let redon off the hook

[ashen perch]

the magazines get transported to the shops that sell WSJ a week or more in advance, its these guys working at these shops who are always at the ROOT of all leaks

oh and the reason why we get earlier leaks during holidays is because transport is pushed forward by a whole week

the magazines get delivered earlier, the leaks get out earlier

you remove this entire process, you stop leaks completely

have you ever seen a CSM 2 leak? a Spy x Family leak? A Dandadan leak?

this is what prevents it, they get released straight to digital

[ashen perch]

also I have no idea tbh, he is just good at hiding himself I guess

[hazy turret]

Sigh

[glass plume]

huh

[grand flower]

LMAO

[ashen perch]

He has been around for a long time, but has never gotten himself in trouble somehow lol

[glass plume]

what's going on

[proud pivot]

ohh

[ashen perch]

nothing, just discussing how they could put an end to leaks

[fallen meteor]

Now that you say that...

[glass plume]

ah

[ashen perch]

yea, these are all "direct to Shōnen Jump+" series

thats the JP version of mangaplus

[fallen meteor]

They should make a new magazine
Call it shonen rush

[glass plume]

lol

[ashen perch]

why rush

[leaden rivet]

Rocks brings the agenda out in people

[fallen meteor]

Jump, Rush..idk
Active stuff

Shonen Attack

[ashen perch]

ah true true

[fallen meteor]

Shonen Blush

[fallen meteor]

For the romance

[frail kindle]

I blame jjk

[leaden rivet]

JJK definitely exceebqted it

[ashen perch]

theres like weekly shonen champion, weekly shonen magazine and more already, not associated with Jump tho

[frail kindle]

exceebqted it

[warm sierra]

This might be another case of one piece being so storied of a franchise there would be riots in the streets if they removed it from WSJ in print

[fallen meteor]

I felt that the q was indeed exceebted

[leaden rivet]

Exacerbated

[ashen perch]

eh but its worth it imo, the world is moving to digital anyways, its been moved really

[glass plume]

i wonder how it would look like if JJk never was a thing

[ashen perch]

they are just kinda behind on it

[fallen meteor]

Sí

[glass plume]

would people still be drooling over power

[leaden rivet]

People were long before JjK

[glass plume]

what started it all

[fallen meteor]

Your autocorrect is working hard against you today

[leaden rivet]

Dbz probably lol

[glass plume]

i suppose

[ashen perch]

I want to live in a world where the only way I learn about what the One Piece is is through opening the mangaplus app on Sunday on the time that the chapter comes out on....

[leaden rivet]

But it probably wasn’t so bad until the big 3

[fallen meteor]

Dbz makes sense

[ashen perch]

is that like too much to ask for?

smh

[glass plume]

wasn't Naruto also a pretty big part of it, lol

[frail kindle]

yes

[glass plume]

i've heard the Naruto vs Op fans

[grand flower]

Simple Arsal

[leaden rivet]

I wish leaks just didn’t exist

[grand flower]

Kill everyone else

[leaden rivet]

But oda will never go digital

[fallen meteor]

Dbz was before

[frail kindle]

yeah fuck leaks

[leaden rivet]

Leaks do not bring anything good to this community

[frail kindle]

fuck spoilers

[glass plume]

yeah but i mean when Naruto Shippuden ended, a lot of them came to One Piece didn't they?

[ashen perch]

its not on Oda, this one is on Shueisha

[glass plume]

similair to when JJK ended

[proud pivot]

leaks are good because they bring memes

[fallen meteor]

Sure but you asked what started

[ashen perch]

yes, same with Bleach

[glass plume]

yeah, i got the answer to that from Illyasae

[ashen perch]

"refugees" as we've been calling them for like a decade lol

[fallen meteor]

Each new shonen that ends is a plus for one piece viewers

[glass plume]

oh right.. Bleach too-

[glass plume]

it's funny at some times considering that these same people have probably trashed One Piece before

[ashen perch]

JJK made it the worst its ever been, but Bleach and Naruto "refugees" were bad enough for the fandom already

[fallen meteor]

You have a goat series
It ends
You need more
This one has been going on since 97...maybe i should check it ouAkainu solos your favorite

Its the pipeline

[leaden rivet]

I think bleach and naruto refugees are mostly western fans. Growing up no one I knew watched or heard much of one piece

[ashen perch]

what JJK did is take an already unpleasant community and turned it into fully toxic

[glass plume]

it's kinda fascinating how JJK managed to take such a choke hold over some people

to the point where they are desperate for hype moments and aura for every series they read

[ashen perch]

well yeah illya

OP in the west was kinda niche compared to the other two

so it was a cozier, more chill community

truly normal

[glass plume]

the first time I heard about One Piece was around the Katakuri fight iirc

when it was going on in the manga

[leaden rivet]

I wish I could read Japanese to see if they’re exactly like the west

[ashen perch]

pre JJK it was already fairly bad, unlike pre Naruto and Bleach where it was like

an actual paradise

[leaden rivet]

The other different language speaking server I’m in are pretty alike to this one although the server is rather dead

[glass plume]

i think that the Japanese are much more civil when discussing

not as much toxicity and insults thrown left and right

[ashen perch]

well One Piece yes

they can be ultra toxic, in other fandoms

[leaden rivet]

Honestly for some reason I doubt this

You’ll quickly find the one piece Spanish community isn’t much better than the English speaking one, I have no doubt that the Japanese are the same

[ashen perch]

like these people have sent actual death threats to authors lol, Kubo especially really lashed out at his fans once

[fallen meteor]

Over here it was all Dragon Ball

Then Naruto and a bit of Bleach

Is aws dying again

[glass plume]

oh, i guess my presumption was way off

[fallen meteor]

Why are my messages taking forever

[leaden rivet]

Eh death threats are pretty light work those happen all the time

[ashen perch]

the Japanese fandom for OP is chill, but I wouldnt say its all JP fandoms at all basically

[glass plume]

scary that it has gotten to that point, where people who aren't satisfied will resort to throwing death threats

[ashen perch]

well its different when they know where the author lives and when they also live near the author lol