also-manga

[ashen perch]

the only fact there is the Davy Jones part

yeah he is associated with Davy Jones, I agree

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard will probably kill Imu though regardless

[glass plume]

he can't it has to be Nika/Joyboy/Luffy

that's the enemy of Imu

[hasty sable]

Luffy will punch him really hard

Blackbeard will usurp him

[glass plume]

otherwise this 800 conflict has been for naught if Blackbeard just does it

throw it all away essentaily

[hasty sable]

I think Teach will killsteal

[grand flower]

It’s also a fact that Blackbeard is more fitting because of his greed for DFs, and his greed in general

And that it would remove the Yami and Quake from the world since Blackbeard wouldn’t be able to die for them to respawn

[tulip turtle]

What's if bb just explodes after getting imu powers

[maiden charm]

Ju peter gonna get ratted out by Garling and we'll just be down to the 4 Gorosei, so itd be perfect for the 4 bridges to be their final battle grounds

[grand flower]

Yami Yami is the only thing that can remove the auxiliary effects of a DF completely

So if Blackbeard has both, he could never die

Assuming Imus DF makes him immortal

[ornate tartan]

the only people who will reach laughtale is the strawhats, and will be the only people who ever went there other then roger pirates

this is supposed to be an unreachable island it would diminish the strawhats achievement if a whole lot of crews reached it

[hasty sable]

What did Ju Peter do

[ornate tartan]

what the hell ppl be talking about big fight on the final island😂

[thin quest]

the big fight is on Lodestar (one of the blue planet moons)

[maiden charm]

Nothing, but he was shitting bricks when Garling announced he's Saturns replacement. Look of guilt screaming from him

Like sweat beads and everything

[tulip turtle]

A big fight will take place for the search of one piece, and the straw hats will be the one who will find it sooner

[glass plume]

if only i had the slightest bit of interest in Blackbeard

[grand flower]

It wouldn’t diminish their achievement specifically because only one crew made it there last time

If another crew makes it there, it shows this era produced multiple crews of a caliber that the previous era only produced one of

Roger and Rayleigh explicitly talk about being surpassed. The SHs beating crews who were of the caliber to become PK themselves illustrates that since, in Roger’s time, only he made it to finish line

[hasty sable]

A lot of things are going to happen that go against the accepted fan theories taken for granted over the years I’m not ruling out the final battle at Laugh Tale at all. Especially because literally every single faction is invested in the One Piece now.

[pine scaffold]

Coldest scene in One Piece

[hasty sable]

Rocks is too cool

[grand flower]

Luffy will surpass Roger and Joy Boy

Ushering in the Dawn satisfies the latter

[ashen perch]

actually I do like that part, its the most convincing drowning argument I have seen for sure

[grand flower]

Beating competition at Laugh Tale, something Roger never had to overcome, satisfies the former

[tulip turtle]

Luffy will guide the world to its end

Luffy will guide imu to his end

[glass plume]

even if Blackbeard is this greedy, wouldn't Imu be just as greedy if not even more so

Imu literally has reigned the world, sees themselves as the world

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is about to out-greed the devil

[ashen perch]

Him resembling the kraken, the sea monster, as an immortal demon forever trapped at the bottom of the ocean, never dying, never moving. That sounds neat

[glass plume]

i mean, that would just be bad

[hasty sable]

I mean, that would just be awesome and cool and I’d love to see that

[ashen perch]

the drowning thing sounded stupid when people were arguing for it to be the thing that kills him, but this is great

[maiden charm]

Me waiting patiently for the BB is a pawn theory to come true

[glass plume]

what does Blackbeard have that makes it worth, throwing aside all of the 800 years worth of intrigue which Imu is connected to?

[hasty sable]

Who said Imu would be thrown away?

You’re flipping out over this stuff

[glass plume]

yeah, i'm genuinely worried for how it will go down

since i have no interest for Blackbeard as a character

[hasty sable]

Luffy is still going to fight Imu

[tulip turtle]

Blackbeard with toon force will be strange to watch

[hasty sable]

Luffy is probably still going to defeat Imu

[maiden charm]

Laffitte is Gil and he found baby blackbeard after GV so he can groom him to accomplish what rocks couldn't

Trust

[ashen perch]

the whole thing does sound wildly predictable

thats really the only issue I have, I mean, I dont think its really going to go the way we expect it to

[tulip turtle]

it's Oda afterall

does things in unexpected ways

Who would have thought God valley will start because of shakky

[hasty sable]

It’s probably predictable because

[maiden charm]

Technically it started cause of Iva and Ginny

🤓

[hasty sable]

One Piece has literally done this story at least eight times lol

[tulip turtle]

Well pirates came for shakky

[hasty sable]

But that doesn’t mean it won’t be fun

[maiden charm]

Pirates would've never came if ginny didn't leak the coordinates

[hasty sable]

Tbh I still don’t know what to expect for the Joyboy stuff

[maiden charm]

They woulda just been searching

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard being rewarded for his incompetency for the 50th time 🥀

[hasty sable]

It’s okay to cheat for the villains

[tulip turtle]

I should have said pirates came to god valley because of shakky thus we got the god valley incident.

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-bow-master-smile-gif-12365468

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/sid-the-science-kid-jumpscare-fnaf-caption-five-nights-at-freddys-gif-24193777

[grand flower]

I’ve thought this out a lot

[grand flower]

The ultimate karma for everything he’s done. His worse crimes, killing Thatch, Ace and Whitebeard, being the origins of his fate

The very fruits he sank so low for trapping him for eternity

[prisma yacht]

When are we getting the one piece queens

[dense haven]

how much hp do you think dragon will take from imu before luffy arrives

[prisma yacht]

Also where are spoilers

[vale heath]

Check the back of the nearest car.

[pine scaffold]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1982780204150919256

Pew (@pewpiece)

BREAKING 🚨🚨

NO BREAK NEXT WEEK AFTER ONEPIECE CHAPTER 1164

X · Oct 27, 2025, 12:03 PM

[prisma yacht]

Omgg

[dense haven]

how many chapters in a row

is oda ok

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-god-valley-gif-221478911439338196

Garling aint getting back up

he has served his role in GV

[latent hamlet]

With how that looks im surprised he didnt do a named attack

[prisma yacht]

Is it possible that there's a sudden break week again

[stone terrace]

Thats always possible

[pine scaffold]

No thats extremely rare

if we have another sudden break then there is something wrong with Oda

[prisma yacht]

[dapper tree]

4

[stone terrace]

Dragon straight up might not even have the means to do anything

Tuff

[dapper tree]

He never did

[urban lodge]

I used to say he's going to be the Zoro to Imu's Kaido (derogatory) but he might be more like the Kin'emon

[dapper tree]

Huh

I almost see what you are saying

But the way you said it

Looks crazy

[urban lodge]

I know

But anyway, he'll do something mildly impressive but not very significant in the grand scheme and then lose

Him not being able to hurt Imu at all is probably a little much so I think he'll do something

[stone terrace]

I say dragon will be the wyper to imus enel but it might he even more on the nose than i originally imagined

[hasty sable]

Garling when he’s killing civilians vs Garling when he’s has to actually fight someone

Dragon is not really a Wiper

[stone terrace]

He might have his own version of the reject dial seastone combo

[ornate tartan]

no spoilers by now could only mean one thing

someone got neg diffed😂

[tulip turtle]

Who might that be

[native seal]

kaido

imagine rocks does to the old gens what gunko did to the SHs

[urban lodge]

Even after Domi Reversi he gets glazed...

[native seal]

domi reversi is supposed to enhance his powers

[tulip turtle]

Imu upscale

[lofty fern]

If it wasn't for Scotch I'd think we'd had a sudden break again 😭

[lofty fern]

At that point its mostly Imu power so Imu glaze

[native seal]

with the way oda has shown love to rocks this flashback he might as well run a gauntlet with the old gens in his domi reversi form

the same mf who side quested an admiral and garling in his base form

[grand flower]

[hazy turret]

Whitebeard

[stone terrace]

Not in this life

[pine scaffold]

if Rocks starts dogwalking everyone

I will actually go crazy

imagine he one shots Kaido

starts stunting on WB

[prisma yacht]

That wld be lame

Honestly

[grand flower]

Chill with that big mom shit

[pine scaffold]

alr sorry

[urban lodge]

Kaido is a fetus so that's fine, the others no

[pine scaffold]

still aint a pushover ngl

[prisma yacht]

All xebec needs now is a good emotional conclusion

[pine scaffold]

hes pretty strong here

obviously the weakest present rn

[formal wagon]

he will

[pine scaffold]

HI MAILBOX

[formal wagon]

HI SB

[pine scaffold]

WHATS UP

[leaden rivet]

I remember the pain reading this panel

[formal wagon]

I JUST WOKE UP

[pine scaffold]

WOW

what time is it for you

[leaden rivet]

After years of denial

[tranquil blade]

What pain

[formal wagon]

7:49

am

[pine scaffold]

ooooh

its almost 1pm for me

[leaden rivet]

The demon thing is real, magic is real.

[tranquil blade]

Well

[grand flower]

This is by far the funniest line of dialogue in the manga

[ashen perch]

I knew a guy who was like ultra mad at this

because he thought Oda was really forcin the reveal lmao

"wow, so convenient that these idiot marines just happened to not know about Roger and WB's bounties so Oda can reveal them at this time"

[ashen perch]

also wdym, we had Saturn's big reveal before this lol

[leaden rivet]

The dialogue really could’ve been better if it’s the least important thing ever

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but Saturn was still within the realm of a fruit even if it was odd

[alpine trench]

Everything is convenient when the story demands it

[leaden rivet]

@ashen perch

[tranquil blade]

I mean that is literally what it is tbf

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/england-fans-world-cup-come-on-england-england-gif-22297273

[ashen perch]

why were you denying it, the guy teleported

on a magic circle

[leaden rivet]

Because it was still deniable

[ashen perch]

like

[alpine trench]

Literally lmfao bro is in the UK

[leaden rivet]

Straight up turning someone into a demon with a magic circle and saying the word demon several times makes it undeniable

[ashen perch]

yeah but why would the magic circle be part of Saturn's abilities

[leaden rivet]

Saturn did nothing crazy

[leaden rivet]

Because I didn’t want it to be true

[pine scaffold]

oh sorry its actually 8:55am

my bad

[tranquil blade]

I was doing the speed face when I saw Imu talking about “power of evil”

[pine scaffold]

I just woke up so

[stone terrace]

You dont live in the canon timezone

[ashen perch]

oh well

[leaden rivet]

Anyway

I thought I’d gain more interest in Imu as time went on

[ashen perch]

I dont see the issue with it though, but fair

[leaden rivet]

But I’m only more interested in Blackbeard as of late

[ashen perch]

as time has went on, BB has just gotten worse really

[leaden rivet]

I agree

[alpine trench]

Imu currently is the most interesting character in the series for me

[leaden rivet]

But Imu has been doing every trope in fiction I don’t like

[alpine trench]

Endless potential

[lofty fern]

How do you feel about tea? 🧐

[leaden rivet]

It’s rather impressive to say the least

[ashen perch]

Imu remains a mystery and the most interesting by far to me

[wet condor]

I don't know why I don't care that much about Imu

[leaden rivet]

He’s a bit lame

[native seal]

i dont either tbh

[alpine trench]

I’m gonna bring the slander back in now that Illya is here

[wet condor]

I'm trying to pinpoint a reason

[leaden rivet]

He didn’t have an exceeding amount of buildup

[lofty fern]

agreed

[ashen perch]

I genunely dont really get the issue with demons and magic lol

[leaden rivet]

And there’s nothing about the character to latch on to

[wet condor]

This could've helped him a bunch yeah

[tranquil blade]

Well some people just wanted haki and fruits

[iron oriole]

Gotten worse how?

[alpine trench]

Toon powers but demonic is a great idea

[ashen perch]

like its silly to be inherently against that

[leaden rivet]

Im not fond of new power systems that show up 1000 chapters in with little to no foreshadowing

Irs been devil fruits and haki

[stone terrace]

Tbf its a lot to take in

[wet condor]

But Xebec didn't have that much build up and I like him a whole lot so it's not solely due to that

[latent hamlet]

Demons and magic can be seen as too high fantasy

[stone terrace]

Ive been seeing people say they barely recognize op rn

[leaden rivet]

Now it’s demon magic, summoning, all that other stuff

[alpine trench]

Yeah let’s have the embodiment of demons on earth but let’s give him cartoon powers as well, how is that not a cool idea

Idk

[lofty fern]

That doesn't always help. Kaido had a large amount of build up and I'm still not that interested in him

[prisma yacht]

Bullshit

[latent hamlet]

Like yes one piece has magic but not something like...a summoning rune that brings forth giant demons of ice and fire

[leaden rivet]

Kaido’s not a mystery

[native seal]

blackbeard is just more interesting to me

[leaden rivet]

He’s what hes shown to be

Imu is a mystery

[alpine trench]

Law had 10 years of buildup and payoff and he remained boring as fuck, different strokes for different folks

[leaden rivet]

Because he’s prettt much made to be

[ashen perch]

but OP has been high fantasy already, I mean DFs are just magical demonic fruits lol, they have even been called that really

[wet condor]

If Imu had sort of been alluded to since the beginning of the series, I can just tell I'd be more interested in him

[alpine trench]

Sorry I just had to get the slander in

I couldn’t resist it

[wet condor]

Some lurking force in the background subtlely influencing events or something

[lofty fern]

You must be living in a different reality I guess, pity

[leaden rivet]

Yes Arsal and those are fine because they’re established since chapter 1

[alpine trench]

Cannot guarantee I’ll stop tho

[ashen perch]

the Sea Devil was established in chapter 21

or around that

[hasty sable]

If Imu’s power is tied to the origin of devil fruit I can forgive Magic

[latent hamlet]

Ye but not like the traditional western high fantasy stories or some Manga that crank up magic where they're dropping nukes with skyscraper tall magic runes

[grand flower]

These people were fed pop tarts without frosting as children

[urban lodge]

Imu feels like a very natural inclusion even if he wasn't foreshadowed from super early on

[leaden rivet]

Arsal

[ashen perch]

yes

[alpine trench]

I love baiting you Law fans and now Gunko fans along with you guys in the chat

[native seal]

this is where i stand

[grand flower]

@ashen perch was that guy Vic

[latent hamlet]

Devil fruits are magic but its still pretty much

"U do only 1 thing. If u are really good then maybe that 1 thing is actually 3 things"

[leaden rivet]

The “sea devil” really has nothing to do with what I mean

And it wouldn’t really even be enough

[ashen perch]

nah lol

[wet condor]

I agree in a way. It wasn't that surprising that there was someone sitting on top of the world. A supreme ruler

[lofty fern]

I think if you consider him as the representation of the entire WG, then he has been. We just now have a face to it. I like the surprise more so than having seen him since the beginning

[alpine trench]

Cinemasins ass shit

[tranquil blade]

The sea devil was mostly metaphorical back then, like it was not a well established real being

but I get the idea

[ashen perch]

it wasnt metaphorical, it was mythical

[leaden rivet]

I felt like it was oda just throwing seeds out in case he needs them in the future

[ashen perch]

and certainly, turns out the mythical creature was real

[dense haven]

then you have law who can do anything with his df

[ashen perch]

this is just so silly

[leaden rivet]

Let me guess Arsal you think oda had Imu planned from chapter 21

[ashen perch]

why would Oda be connecting the devil to the devil fruits on a whim in case he needs to go back to it?

[lofty fern]

Not really baited...I just corrected your opinion...but that's okay. Have fun I guess

[latent hamlet]

Thats why its called Op-Op fruit

[ashen perch]

I actually think Imu was planned from the start, yes

[native seal]

what he definitely did

[wet condor]

I don't even think we needed to have seen him in the beginning is the thing — not that I'm against that. It's just some thing lurking in the background or alluded to in subtle ways

[urban lodge]

I don't think it's that crazy, and yeah I do agree it was always mythical

[wet condor]

Hard to explain

[leaden rivet]

So people can he dick ride his foreshadowing skills

[dense haven]

goda

[urban lodge]

Devil fruits are mythical

[alpine trench]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[latent hamlet]

Plot twist: devil fruits get stronger the more u gaslight yourself into thinking u do more

[royal orchid]

oda foreskinned this

[ashen perch]

lmao come on, this is so silly

[leaden rivet]

If Imu was planned from the beginning he would foreshadow it better

[latent hamlet]

"Oh yeah with lightning I become a 50 ft tall giant god of thunder"

[native seal]

if one piece is related with the void century then imu was definitely planned from the beginning

[stone terrace]

[latent hamlet]

"Since when did lightning make u tall"

[leaden rivet]

You already got people acting like Skypeia foreshadowed Luffy being Nika

[dense haven]

that's how bonney fruit works tbh

[stone terrace]

Imu existed as soon as joyboy did

How early oda planned joyboy, idk

[alpine trench]

Love how fucking stupid this is that there’s no decent enough argument to give it a counter

[rose rune]

So true

[royal orchid]

it only really spoke of the sun god

[wet condor]

But Oda never makes it explicitly clear that it's a ruler in the background

[leaden rivet]

This is kinda precisely why I doubt anything was there to begin with

[ashen perch]

the story was ending in a matter of years at best from that point on, like do you think Oda threw that in for a reason as ridiculous as "haha the fans will love this when I come back to it"

[graceful belfry]

Back in ‘97, Oda set all this up because he knew one day people would praise his unprecedented knack for foreshadowing

[leaden rivet]

One piece fans constantly try to do this

[dense haven]

goda

[alpine trench]

The foreskinning meme

[leaden rivet]

Shanks used conquerors haki in the second chapter

[ashen perch]

Illya youre doing the opposite of what OP fans love to do

[leaden rivet]

Ir was foreshadowed

[haughty saddle]

One piece sucks actually. Oda is a hack. Shonens are for peabrained babies.

[lofty fern]

I think it was kind of a build up in that you first had pirates as the bad guys, then corrupt marines, then the marines as a whole were the enemy and then you realize the WG is a thing, and then you see it's these horrible CDs behind it and then you find out its these 5 guys and then you find out these 5 guys have a boss...it's like this constant build up.

[woeful moth]

its always been hinted since we know there's a WORLD GOVERNMENT... because that shit is just not normal

[ashen perch]

this is equally as ridiciulous

[royal orchid]

I saw this image done days ago

[leaden rivet]

What am I doing Arsal

[woeful moth]

we are always told that the world is separated and disjointed... then there is a WORLD GOVERNMENT

[hazy turret]

Enjoy the story?

[leaden rivet]

Imu existing was an obvious progression no doubt

I’ve said it countless times

[dense haven]

goda

[royal orchid]

Saturn Imu does really look like the umi bozu creatures

[leaden rivet]

But I doubt he existed from the beginning

And if he did oda didn’t foreshadow or hint at it at all

[ashen perch]

Pretending like Oda has everything planned and pretending like Oda's even most obvious foreshadowing is meaningless are the two sides of the same stupid coin

[urban lodge]

Enel is a proto Imu

[lofty fern]

I 100% believe Oda probably did not have Imu planned since page 1. I'd say probably around skypiea at least.

[wet condor]

I see this. It's just not doing it for me

[latent hamlet]

His ultimate ability
He becomes one with the sea

[tranquil blade]

Enel is Imu if he was good

[wet condor]

I could believe this

[leaden rivet]

If oda had Imu in mind since chapter 21 we’d have much more consistent foreshadowing than an offhand myth reference

That is what I’m trying to say

[woeful moth]

its honestly both... alot of it is going by weekly and alot of it is planned... there's probably a plan that there is a WORLD RULER but what the hell the world ruler is... now that's different

[dense haven]

I used to believe oda planed some stuff but then wano happened

[latent hamlet]

Bruh imagine thinking oda had imu planned since day 1
The only thing he had planned is "is my manga gonna survive its first year"

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-eyes-scared-anxiety-gif-11729075

[latent hamlet]

[leaden rivet]

I don’t doubt oda is decent at foreshadowing

[woeful moth]

Wano is literally his most planned thing... you just hated it

[leaden rivet]

But it’s ridiculous for me to believe all the foreshadowing given for the God of the world government was a random mention of the sea devil

[ashen perch]

there has been consistent foreshadowing to it

[vale heath]

Oda is good at foreshadowing but he’s excellent at backshadowing.

[woeful moth]

sometimes planning is double edged... i feel like Wano is too planned out that's why alot hated it

[latent hamlet]

"It is said the sea is mother nature rejecting the power of devils. With this, Mu is nature itself!"

Half of the time in shonen its just improv anyways and every1 loves it

[leaden rivet]

Go on

[latent hamlet]

[tranquil blade]

I mean there’s been foreshadowing just not really much in pretimeskip

[graceful belfry]

Likely a valid point. There’s merit in allowing the story to tell itself

[woeful moth]

the most hated twists are literally planned long ago... like the Kinemon fake out death... that's like the most obvious setup to his "death" being fake... its dumb

[tranquil blade]

Most Imu foreshadowing if not all of it is after the timeskip

[ashen perch]

Skypiea is a pre ts arc

[grand flower]

Who up cuffin it rn

[native seal]

doin what now

[graceful belfry]

I think I am

[leaden rivet]

It’s not really too relevant to what we’re talking about because Arsal is insisting it was from the beginning

[ashen perch]

and Enel is quite literally a leaving breathing embodiment of the main antagonist of the series, the arc is the world of One Piece in a miniature setting

[leaden rivet]

I can believe that oda may begin to plan Imu late pre timeskip but 21? Nah

[leaden rivet]

And this isn’t foreshadowing ^

[ashen perch]

Illya heres the mistake you are making

[alpine trench]

Obviously Imu is a synthesis of ideas that have been brewing for a while

[graceful belfry]

It’s possible that Oda had a rough idea for Imu all the way back then

[ashen perch]

in Chapter 21, Oda is planning to end the series within a few years

[wet condor]

Skypeia and Dressrosa can be viewed as microcosms for the world at large. The question is whether or not Oda had Imu specifically in mind when he came up with those arcs

[woeful moth]

tbh, crazy people say that because the New World wasn't even planned... it was just the Grand Line...

[wet condor]

Right because they can be viewed from that lens like Arsal is saying

[formal wagon]

society if one piece ended in 2003

[wet condor]

Did he?

[alpine trench]

I wouldn’t say it’s foreshadowing in that way but Imu definitely feels like that culmination to a lot of what and how deep the historical and societal roots of WG are

[wet condor]

I dunno. It could be that those two came first and then Imu came around

[ashen perch]

Your mistake is thinking of it as something that happened 25 years so its virtually impossible to have existed in Oda's mind so long ago

[woeful moth]

like its obvious shit wasn't planned to go on this long

[leaden rivet]

From my pov it’s just him recontexualizing things he already wrote.

[ashen perch]

but see it like this

[woeful moth]

it wasn't planned to be told like this

[wet condor]

Yeah

[leaden rivet]

Because if these things were such hard foreshadowing of a god of the WG there would be deeper references to said existence

[formal wagon]

whole yonko saga was oda just stalling

[ashen perch]

what is a hard foreshadowing

lmao

[leaden rivet]

Shit you might even see a reference of the mural earlier

[leaden rivet]

Things you can look back on and immediately tell it’s foreshadowing without breaking your back to do it

[dense haven]

im not gonna say it's foreshadowing but it was always kinda sus thinking the gorosei are highest authority

[woeful moth]

the yonko saga was actually the plan for the grandline... the shichibukai was not...

[ashen perch]

the devil being the origin of the DEVIL fruits didnt clue you in to the existence of the Devil?

like what does this mean

[weak wedge]

Yes

[wet condor]

5 fellas with equal power is peculiar lol

[formal wagon]

🤔 hmmm why was the yonko saga so much worse

[native seal]

people will be surprised when bits and pieces in this image will start to make sense after VC

[runic dock]

That sounds like back breaking foreshadowing tbh

[dense haven]

also the empty throne that looked so performative

[runic dock]

Make the term better

[leaden rivet]

Ok back breaking foreshadowing

Just for you

[wet condor]

Like when I saw that empty throne I knew there was gonna be some secret supreme ruler lol

[runic dock]

Thanks

Carry on bye

[ashen perch]

this all becomes so much more believable if you just think that Oda had the main antagonist of his tiny 5 year series planned

[leaden rivet]

The empty throne appears in like the 900s tho lol

[woeful moth]

because being too planned out is not as good as being a balance of both planned and the story telling itself

[ashen perch]

but you cant help but think of it as being decades ago

[leaden rivet]

At that point it’s rather clear he thought of Imu

[ashen perch]

thats your problem

[wet condor]

Right I'm just saying lol

Like "Yeah, someone sits on that"

[formal wagon]

bruhh its the snake from the mural

[ashen perch]

Akainu was referring to someone above the Gorosei in Dressrosa but I didnt mention it because I am sure the question is about pre ts

not post ts

[ornate tartan]

next week there is sbs along with chapter

[leaden rivet]

The question is from chapter 21 where you insist it was a foreshadowing of Imu when nothing else foreshadows him for the next 200 chapters

[formal wagon]

is this foreshadowing pirates?

[ashen perch]

illya again

[wet condor]

Something like the empty throne being introduced in the beginning I would consider more serious foreshadowing

[formal wagon]

wait WTF ARE THEY DOING

[tranquil blade]

That appears like 6 or 7 chapters before Imu shows up so idk if that matters much

[ashen perch]

stop thinking in terms of hundreds of chapters or in terms of dozens of years or whatever

[runic dock]

I think he had imu in mind very early on , things don’t really make sense if he didn’t

[tulip turtle]

We will get more foreshadowing of imu after we get to know about the void century flashback

[formal wagon]

oda just drew random shit this means nothing.

[ashen perch]

ideas dont simply cease to exist in Oda's mind because he took 25 years to get to them

thats not how it works

[woeful moth]

isn't it just the praying pose?

[runic dock]

It’s Egyptian

[woeful moth]

[leaden rivet]

Don’t Illya again me. I know what you’re going to say as you’ve said it a few times before.

If oda had the series villain planned for his short 5 year series then he would’ve foreshadowed it harder if itll only last 5 years

[tulip turtle]

is that motherflame

[leaden rivet]

It’s the final villain

[formal wagon]

looked to me like they were glerking it

[native seal]

thats a demon being sealed

it has a head horns

[woeful moth]

oh shit its a 3 tomoe SHARINGAN

[tulip turtle]

oh

[woeful moth]

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/goon-alert-gif-14317033356293330298

[leaden rivet]

I’d be more willing to buy the sea devil being an Imu reference if you had more examples of clear Imu references early on. But none such exist, so I won’t take an off hand panel as foreshadowing of the entire final villain.

[ashen perch]

Shanks mentioned it as the mythical origin of the devil fruits in chapter 21, Oda doesnt need to hint at it more clearer than this unless he just starts revealing it lol

[runic dock]

I feel like the 5 year series thing is a misconception , just doesn’t sound right from how it’s explained , I think he had a 5 year series planned BEFORE starting what we had now , as in that very early rough draft of one piece where garp wore the strawhat was the 5 year one piece

[alpine trench]

The sea devil being a reality is pretty par for the course with OP

[ashen perch]

like your definition of foreshadowing is ridiculous to me

[alpine trench]

It’s a mythical aspect that was brought to reality

[leaden rivet]

Oh Arsal

[ashen perch]

if you think Enel and Skypiea arent a hint to the world of the OP itself at large, and you want something more concrete than that then you are basically straight up asking for a reveal

[woeful moth]

ICANT

[ashen perch]

and thats not what Oda was gonna do

[dense haven]

I always knew luffy was gonna fight the devil

[alpine trench]

I think you’re getting sidetracked Arsal

Your thought process is at the right place

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/byLFo.gif

[graceful belfry]

“One Piece will end in 5 years” is Oda’s version of “The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.” They’ll never let him live it down

[alpine trench]

But I think there’s a bit of a disconnect here

[ashen perch]

well I am trying to understand illya's thought process here

because if the devil being mentioned isnt a hint to the devil's existence, then what is

[alpine trench]

I think labeling this as foreshadowing itself is a pretty dumb way to look at it

[ashen perch]

its not even foreshadowing at that point, its straight up clear setup

[tulip turtle]

Davy jones was cursed by a "devil"

[alpine trench]

This is a case of synthesis and developing the story in accordance with the material that’s been presented and executing on concepts with a clear direct approach now that we’re approaching the endgame

[ashen perch]

the disconnect between us is how we view foreshadowing, Illya's idea that it needs to be "hard" is just a silly way to look at these things

[ashen perch]

no I think Illya is asking for something even earlier than that lol

[graceful belfry]

Most OP fans don’t even know what foreshadowing means, I’ve come to realize (as I’ve strengthened my own understanding of the term)

[woeful moth]

because the DEVIL is a normal reference in the culture of the real world... its literally just a tool put easily a mental image to the readers

[leaden rivet]

Illyas idea isn’t that it needs to be hard

[alpine trench]

Huh?

What

[ashen perch]

okay have you seen what I am referring to

[alpine trench]

Yes that very concept is being executed on into reality

[wet condor]

Is Imu speaking through Illya?

[leaden rivet]

Illyas idea is that if something is planned since chapter 21 it should have more foreshadowing than an offhand reference.

You don’t need to draw some words in these and and say Imu exists

[graceful belfry]

Veryyyy possible

[ashen perch]

its not an offhand reference

[leaden rivet]

Arsal

[wet condor]

Gunko pfp checks out

[tulip turtle]

Pretty sure, there are foreshadowings of Imu in the earlier chapters we might have missed that will get clear as the story goes on.

[alpine trench]

There’s a reason it’s in the culture of the world and a reason that’s being expanded by Oda at this moment in the story

[leaden rivet]

What you said could very well be foreshadowing and Oda may have actually planned it out since the beginning

[urban lodge]

Damn...

[woeful moth]

show it

[rose rune]

Imagine having a female character as your pfp. Lol

[leaden rivet]

But I don’t believe that because it doesn’t work as a culmination with other things in the story. If I’m a writer and I created the big villain from the beginning, especially a mysterious one, there will be more foreshadowing even that early that hints at said character existence

[hazy turret]

Bro you have a pfp of some feet

[graceful belfry]

Music, is that a Bebop pfp?

[ashen perch]

this is a bit of a mistranslation, because they reference a singular devil but yeah

[woeful moth]

LMAO

[ashen perch]

they made the same mistake with Davy too

[alpine trench]

Which chapter

[ashen perch]

where its also mentioned that he was cursed by devils, not just the devil

[graceful belfry]

Someone, get the Stephen translation stat

[wet condor]

First of all, it's not feet. Second, what do this have to do with Illya having Imu's conduit as a pfp?

[alpine trench]

I’ll check with Stephen’s translation

[wet condor]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

chapter 19

[rose rune]

"The sea davies will come and get you if you are naughty"

[graceful belfry]

Goaty

[hasty sable]

I think that pretending the Imu stuff isn’t way out of left field is disingenuous

[alpine trench]

He’s making a joke about Imu and Gunko lol, not just making fun of the pfp itself

[leaden rivet]

Rokaya just says things sometimes

[wet condor]

Illya started speaking in the 3rd person lol

[wet condor]

She do

[leaden rivet]

Cant take them too seriously

[unique lagoon]

is that thing infront of the ship
the sea devil

[ashen perch]

he also says devil I believe, but the problem is the ambiguity in the JP. You can read it as both singular and plural and I guess neither had the foresight to tell it was a singular devil

[urban lodge]

Oh that's what it was, I was missing context

I thought it was just a stray

[hasty sable]

A little one off line early in the first chapter of the series doesn’t foreshadow the rulers of the WG being immortal demons with magical powers lol. It is obviously meant to be a weird twist that turns the story on its head. The absurdity of it is the point.

[royal orchid]

he should wander the seas for all eternity

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[ashen perch]

they got this one wrong too

it was "cursed by the devil" not A demon

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard does want everything

[graceful belfry]

See, for me it’s not too hard to imagine the concept of Oda having a big boss of the Gorosei in mind by the time of their introduction. I agree there’s not a whole lot suggesting a concrete idea of Imu, prior to the timeskip. But a soirée of different ideas mingling together, that would go on to become Imu, I’m sure existed somewhere in Oda’s noggin’

[unique lagoon]

[hasty sable]

Having a big boss for luffy to fight was probably inevitable

[unique lagoon]

oh it was posted already

[ashen perch]

Chopper: Who's Davy Jones?
Robin: A pirate of old who was cursed by the devil and is supposedly still alive today, at the bottom of the sea.

[unique lagoon]

[hasty sable]

The demons and magic stuff arguably wasn’t lol

[ashen perch]

Stephen got this one right

[leaden rivet]

Arsal does this foreshadow rocks

[ashen perch]

yes

[woeful moth]

tbh idk man... its the easiest explanation for a writer to explain what a curse is... just blame the devil on it... like every other literature in the world

[ashen perch]

absolutely

[leaden rivet]

🧍

[urban lodge]

I really hope Davy Jones isn't literally alive

[dense haven]

demons and magic this late in the story is nothing

[tranquil blade]

If something is vague enough it can be foreshadowing for anything

[hasty sable]

It’s probably at best foreshadowing Blackbeard’s fate

[urban lodge]

Just his will

[unique lagoon]

how
davy jones aint xebec

[leaden rivet]

Okay. There’s nothing more that needs to be said on that account.

[ashen perch]

Illya, do you think Oda stopped thinking about Davy Jones because he wasnt mentioned again in 900 chapters?

[woven talon]

Wow what a cool timeline

[dense haven]

we have seen much worse

[royal orchid]

the post it note was getting old

[ashen perch]

lmao

[hasty sable]

I don’t think Oda necessarily had a Davy Jones story thread in mind this far back

[leaden rivet]

No I think he just recontexualized it because it’s stupid and inane to foreshadow something once a thousand chapters ago and never do it again.

[ashen perch]

okay lmao I am also done

you guys are silly about this

[digital spear]

Davy Jones was inevitable in a pirate story

[hasty sable]

We had Hody Jones

[ashen perch]

what have I told you already

[rose rune]

Lrll truly was important after all

[leaden rivet]

One more thing Arsal

[woeful moth]

HOE D. JONES

[leaden rivet]

Was shanks looking at that sea king foreshadowing conquerors

[ashen perch]

yes

[leaden rivet]

Ok thank you

[rose rune]

Hoe? Neptune's whale?

[leaden rivet]

That’s all I needed to hear.

[ashen perch]

its not a thousand chapters ago, its not 2 decades ago, to the Oda that is writing this chapter, this is not going to take that long

[woeful moth]

they're family

[rose rune]

Marvelous

[royal orchid]

you guys think Davy Jones is still alive? I think he's dead and buried and his will living on through the Davy clan just like joyboy with the gomu gomu no mi

[graceful belfry]

I hope he’s not but if he is…

[ashen perch]

you simply are not seeing it right if you dont see it this way

[graceful belfry]

There’s some slight room for him to fit ig

[digital spear]

Man marked by flames

[dense haven]

dave is joyboy

[unique lagoon]

im more curious if theres a poneglyph or an ancient weapon in GV

[graceful belfry]

Yup

[woeful moth]

dead... a legend spoken through people like joyboy... unless joyboy and davy are the same

[urban lodge]

Please no

[ashen perch]

Davy could be alive, yes

[rose rune]

Burnt face man is the decrepit remains of davy Jones

[spark canopy]

Davy Jones heart is the ONE PIECE

[iron oriole]

This should just be a Davey clan member rather than Davey Jones himself but i can see it

[ashen perch]

but Burnscar seems to be a recent character to me, because this is a man who didnt get active till after Roger got the One Piece

[hasty sable]

It’s nothing personal, Rocks. It’s just good business.

[woeful moth]

Burnt face man is Gol D. Roger... he was burnt face because he actually met Ace and he let Ace burn him...

[royal orchid]

surely imu wouldn't have mentioned joyboy and davy separately then

[lofty fern]

I think if Imu sees Davy in Rocks, then Davy himself is indeed probably dead.

[unique lagoon]

there were three Ancient Weapons and JoyBoy attempted to preserve them for the future!! - VP
so he successfully hid pluton
not sure if he can even do that for posseidon
maybe he did preserve uranus and was just found by imu

[graceful belfry]

Yeah this killed the theory for me

[unique lagoon]

uranus is in GV its real

[grand flower]

Oh yeah for sure. It reminds me of how Imu called Luffy “Joy Boy”

Imu clearly doesn’t see them as individuals

[royal orchid]

my what?

[grand flower]

Only their bloodlines or their roles

To Imu, theyre all the same

Just like how every ant looks the same to us

Imus psychological profile is pretty interesting

[graceful belfry]

Imu will be a generational character if Oda chooses to get into the thick of it sooner rather than later

[grand flower]

He reminds me of the final antagonist of a certain western Nick show where the characterization was mostly through their influence on the world and the people connected to them

[lofty fern]

Oh he does. He called Rocks by name before and he didn't connect Rocks with the Davy Clan until later when that was just recently found out. He knows Luffy's name until he awakened the fruit and then he became Joyboy, similar to how zunesha called out Joyboy when he awakened. I think he only calls him that once he knows the connection and lineage

[royal orchid]

has imu ever mentioned a character's name apart from vivi

[graceful belfry]

Uhhh

[ashen perch]

Well Davy could be trapped at the bottom of the sea and Imu would still refer to Rocks as such

Yeah many times

[digital spear]

Dorry and Broggy and Harald

[royal orchid]

cobra? I don't think so right

[grand flower]

Yeah he immediately responds to them as though they’re the very people he’s seemingly clashed with before

Do you think Davy Jones could be Joy boy?

[ashen perch]

Harald, Dorry, Brogy, Jarul

[lofty fern]

Yes, he called Rocks his name

[grand flower]

Saturn as well

[graceful belfry]

Imu really wants to control the giants, if you couldn’t tell

[lofty fern]

He calls all the HKs by name too

[lofty fern]

He also calls the giants by name

[royal orchid]

hmm
he does know a lot of giants names

[lofty fern]

Imu actually knows everyone's names, he just give some people 2 names when he needs to

[unique lagoon]

has any other character called imu just Mu

[ashen perch]

He's a giant nerd

[lofty fern]

No one would dare

[iron oriole]

Imu even respects Dorry & Brogy's titles of Red & Blue Ogre

[tulip turtle]

Imu is most likely aware of a prophecy and must have thought davy jones have come to fulfill his prophecy in Xebec, that's why imu said "To think it was you, Davy Jones!!"

[unique lagoon]

so the i in imu is somekind of formality?

[royal orchid]

ONLY MU MAY ADDRESS MU AS MU.

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, that is interesting

[unique lagoon]

where did oda got that

[graceful belfry]

Maybe Imu is just how he introduces himself. “I mu.”

[lofty fern]

Well, he didn't know Xebec was of the Davy clan until a few minutes ago, thus his words 'to think it was you"

[lofty fern]

Unless it's English and then he mostly just say "I"

[dense haven]

i in imu stands for incel

[woeful moth]

well Mu is Imu saying "Me/I"... so... no other person will call them Mu but themself

[royal orchid]

even 800 years ago it was imu

weirdo all the way

[ashen perch]

That reminds of the theory that he's future Luffy, because Imu = I M U (you)

[graceful belfry]

Who is Imu Nerona fr

[wet condor]

Do you believe in Imucel theory?

[unique lagoon]

theres this one also
but thats just ivankov reading the name in a book

[proud pivot]

Imu cheap aura merchant

[iron oriole]

Does this count?

[graceful belfry]

Nah, he says the “I” in an earlier speech bubble I thought

[unique lagoon]

i was thinking this
but i think technically no

[lofty fern]

Except it sounds less like Aye-Mu and more like Ee-mu

[dense haven]

idk imu has a sus fascination with blue haired women

[ashen perch]

Yea he said I before

[iron oriole]

Yeah he does

[royal orchid]

I saw someone aurascaling imu with some demon villain from black cover 2 days ago lmao "imu could never be him"

[proud pivot]

Maybe imu just really likes cows but instead of "moo" he's forced to say "mu"

[wet condor]

Lemme scream out my boss's name, who is supposed to be a secret from the rest of the world, before I die.

[lofty fern]

Doesn't seem to care about Manmeyer girl

[unique lagoon]

imus hate towards davy jones being equal to his hate with joyboy is also something noteworthy

[iron oriole]

One last fuck you

[wet condor]

Saturn truly a failure of a servant 'til the end

[wet condor]

I don't know why he did it tbh lol

[graceful belfry]

Saturn lowkey didn’t deserve it

[proud pivot]

That villain also had cheap aura cus he dies 5 chapters later

[iron oriole]

Probably just a slip of the tongue

[rapid ridge]

So anyway

[lofty fern]

Good thing no one would understand what he said either way

[rapid ridge]

Buggy is captain John's son

[tulip turtle]

Most likely when saturn said "this chaos will give birth to something new" ig at that point Imu must have thought Davy Jones = Xebec.

[rapid ridge]

Big reveal innit

[digital spear]

I mean I know why

I would do the same

Bro is killing me fuck him

[wet condor]

Real

It'd be me too

[lofty fern]

He didn't know probably till the knights told him when they found out after Xebec was saving his wife and son

[wet condor]

Why I'd be doing it anyway

[royal orchid]

next chapter will either be imu leaving GV or imu starts killing people randomly
theories?

[rapid ridge]

I mu dips, garp and Roger fight rocks

[tulip turtle]

ig that's also fair

[lofty fern]

reflexive reaction. If someone is killing you, you kinda do whatever you can

[tulip turtle]

60% chance imu will leave

[iron oriole]

Imu probably sticks around to watch for a little bit to see the power of the Davey clan in demon form like how they're doing it on Elbaf

[dense haven]

this chapter confirms elbaf will fail

no way they can beat imu

[rapid ridge]

The elders gonna be like "Imuwu sama pwease go away, we can do it"

[proud pivot]

Fail to be above a 6

[royal orchid]

• Mu...
• wait what did you say Saturn
• W...what?
• Did you just say Mu's name in front of all these ants what the fuck man
• I... I'm sorry... great imu...

[lofty fern]

They would never

[woeful moth]

tbh i've given up on "Strawhats will fail" thing

[wet condor]

Seems like a weird reaction unless your intention is betray them. But I don't even know if Saturn was trying to do that lol

[rapid ridge]

Bet

[digital spear]

Whats Doll supposed to do with this information

[wet condor]

I mean that's why I'd do it lol

[stone terrace]

I think imu will get forced out tbh

[dense haven]

by who

[lofty fern]

Really? He's begging for his life. So he's doing that in whatever way he can, vocally and mentally

[stone terrace]

Joyboy haki p2

[iron oriole]

Davey Jones haki

[dense haven]

luffy ain't him yet

[stone terrace]

Or he just leaves because he thinks they got it under control

[ashen perch]

Imu will simply leave

[woeful moth]

you are underestimating him...

[ashen perch]

When Loki gets Domi'd

[stone terrace]

If he stays luffy will get the dog piss beat out of him

[woeful moth]

like every other villain in the story

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-spinning-gyuki-saturn-attacking-luffy-spinning-ufo-gyuki-saturn-gyuki-saturn-jabbing-at-luffy-spinning-boomerang-gyuki-saturn-gif-6565479590856467700

[dense haven]

imu will mog luffy

[lofty fern]

"Lord Imu, We can take care of this fodder. No need to bother yourself. Have some tea, Gunko is even here to serve it to you."

[lofty fern]

Gosh i treally is like trying to swat an ant

[wet condor]

Ants are based

[lofty fern]

Uh oh, you're calling out Socrates lol

[woeful moth]

it would be so funny if Luffy mogs Imu there... the cope of "Imu is not really there" team will come out from the darkness

[graceful belfry]

I was thinking after Luffy wins against demon Loki

[royal orchid]

"So... Mu takes it you all managed to find the two missing Davy clan members who were running away."

[graceful belfry]

But either or

[iron oriole]

Definitely not happening, Elbaf will be a "lose the battle, win the war" situation for the SHs etc

[lofty fern]

The problem is that Imu is in Gunko. Any harm to Imu is harm to Gunko and Gunko will be special to Brook. Luffy can't just beat the crap out of her

[dense haven]

imu in gv was at 10% power

[digital spear]

Saturn going Kaido mode in the last one

[graceful belfry]

Basically, I don’t believe my goat can win against Imu at the moment. Oda needs to write a satisfying reason for why Imu leaves without succeeding absolutely

[woeful moth]

special haki + sun god powers kicks Imu out of Gunko

[stone terrace]

How do you see what imu just did in gv and the conclusion is luffy will dog imu

😭

[royal orchid]

exception piece

commence!

[stone terrace]

We are far from them even being equals

[dense haven]

imu in elbaf is at 5% power

[unique lagoon]

what does "entirely new" even mean

[wet condor]

It isn't happening. But I bet Luffy will make Imu look like a fool somehow mid battle lol

[unique lagoon]

imu went out of his way to stop it

[wet condor]

Imu getting jump roped

[lofty fern]

"Your Holy Knights are after them right now. Plus I'm sure your new slave, Rocks, will do as commanded. If anything goes wrong, Garling is ready to kill them should any of the Ds intervene."

[unique lagoon]

also imu was pretty chill back in pangea castle with xebec
now he hates his ass and wants to kill him
why

[royal orchid]

surely this is Blackbeard upscale

[warm sierra]

He didnt know hes a davy?

[unique lagoon]

dint rocks said he was following davy jones

[digital spear]

Because hes a Davy

[lofty fern]

Nah, Luffy's not that strong yet.

[urban lodge]

I unironically think Imu just didn't want to destroy the flower room lol

[iron oriole]

I'm still questioning why Imu didn't domi Rocks back in the flower room

[warm sierra]

Follower doesnt make him of the same clan automatically

[stone terrace]

Theres the homeland theory

[graceful belfry]

Luffy’s abilities are going to interact with Imu’s in some way, I think all agree. But Luffy ain’t even in the position right now to defeat Imu with only 50% of their capabilities

[royal orchid]

homeland theory stands tall and proud

[woeful moth]

tbh i think he is...

[lofty fern]

Considering Imu's weird powers, I think he'd just slither out and have his own weird toonforce

[urban lodge]

If anyone does it it should be Brook

Luffy should get humbled

[dense haven]

rocks was never a threat to imu

[iron oriole]

Homeland theory? Just simply not doing it because they didn't want to ruin anything there?

[warm sierra]

Luffy can undo the domi reversi and brook can do something with gunko to stop the possession

[woeful moth]

"THIS IS MY PEAK" then Luffy is not strong yet... idk man...

[royal orchid]

as in you can only Domi Reversi someone if they're on their birth country/island/arguable stretch of land

[wet condor]

In this arc, maybe. Not EOS

[unique lagoon]

i guess it just depends when did imu found out? about him being the clan

[tulip turtle]

Rocks telling imu he is davy jones fan instead of member of davy clan so imu won't whoop him

[iron oriole]

Interesting, that would play into the latin

[lofty fern]

He wasn't important back then. He didn't know he was a Davy Clan member back then. Also it seems Xebec never actually attacked anyone since he had no idea about regen.

[stone terrace]

Someone find joyboy-91

[ornate tartan]

ch 33 davy jones

[digital spear]

that was huge cap man he didnt even reach Gear 6 and 7 yet

[lofty fern]

They didn't know until like a 10 minutes ago on GV

[formal wagon]

Hot take: kuro is a more compelling antagonist than kaido

[dense haven]

gear 6 deniers in the mud

[wet condor]

I am a G6 denier

[graceful belfry]

He’s strong enough, for sure. There’s just gotta be some feeling of a learning curve for Luffy, when it comes to fighting against Imu and his goons. Very possible he gives Gunkmu a decent fight, but I personally think it’d be too soon to see any iteration of Imu physically defeated during this arc, unless it’s going to be the length of Wano lol

[stone terrace]

6 speed manual transmission

[lofty fern]

I don't buy into the home idea. Imu is not going to check with everyone he does it on that they were born on the land he's doing it on

[wet condor]

Luffy having those Nika powers already puts him a leg up in fighting Imu compared to all those other guys

I can just tell it's going to be relevant

[royal orchid]

on everyone's soul gear death will happen and Luffy will be a full body haki man with his chest scar shining red and white

[graceful belfry]

That’s really all I think it’s going to be, Music. Luffy and Blackbeard are the only two characters who can get around Imu’s regeneration

[wet condor]

Yeah

[graceful belfry]

And if they fight Imu together, it’d be wraps

Cause the two fruits or whatever

[unique lagoon]

when he tried saving wife and kid?

[lofty fern]

I'll give it too Luffy, BB just thinks he will and will be mistaken

[graceful belfry]

[royal orchid]

it could be like a feeling that imu has, sort of like how you know how to transform the second you acquire a zoan fruit

[warm sierra]

Didnt Rocks say they chose GV for the hunting game to get him specifically? They must have known already

[stone terrace]

Nah

It was just the davy clan

[wet condor]

Yeah

[lofty fern]

Yeah, we see when the knights are commenting on it, they had no idea he was part of the Davy clan

[stone terrace]

They didnt want rocks to show up

[digital spear]

He thought it was a mistake because all the CDs are there too but Imu probably didnt gaf about them lol

[lofty fern]

I guess we'll know soon enough. If Eris or random marines get changed, then its a nope

[ashen perch]

Oh yea speaking of that

[unique lagoon]

so GV is the davy clan island where they hid
then CD chose that island for the tournamen
after garling found out about the davy clan

[ashen perch]

The CDs left the island already right? How are we gonna have Garp protecting them from Rocks?

[royal orchid]

true, I said this before but I don't really mind if it's disproven, it's a cool theory

[digital spear]

Wait they did?

[ashen perch]

They were using a tunnel

[royal orchid]

so far it stands tall but it can fall at any time lmao

[graceful belfry]

I think the Yami is inevitably gonna end up being as special as the Nika fruit, in the context of what it’ll take to dethrone Imu. Just because of what Xebec said about needing two fruits, which I think we can safely assume are the Nika and Yami. Both fruits will interact with Imu’s powers differently, I imagine. Needing to be brought together to achieve the whole affect

[lofty fern]

No, he specifically says they didn't since they wouldn't have wanted him to crash their party

[warm sierra]

Im actually just Harald

[ashen perch]

But regardless, Domi'd Rocks wouldn't hurt the Celestials anyways right? Unless he just completely goes berserk

[graceful belfry]

He wouldn’t

[iron oriole]

Probably not intentionally

[digital spear]

Why wouldnt he

[lofty fern]

I've had a theory that that's going to be his punishment for this whole thing. The cover story is that he's a hero by protecting the CDs right? Garp would hate that

[ashen perch]

Maybe yea

I mean YC, I don't think Imu's control would allow that

[lofty fern]

Yeah they all left a bit ago.

[royal orchid]

well imu should be giving a shit to the celestial dragons surely

[warm sierra]

Garp still being allowed to be a marine after attacking Imu is something

[iron oriole]

I fr think Morgans published the paper before they got a chance to punish him

[woeful moth]

tbh i don't think its punishment... its just the most convenient thing for them to do... like who would you put your "savior" title in? the strongest soldier you have

[ashen perch]

I don't think Imu is at a point where he'd be okay with the Celestials dying, that's for the final war

[woeful moth]

like how they put the champion title in... the strongest knight they have

[ashen perch]

So Domi'd Rocks won't hurt them unless he just loses control

[lofty fern]

Well, they opened a path for them. The thing is, no one was aiming for them.
The pirates were after treasure, Shakky or each other, and the Marines were either protecting the CDs or after the pirates,. Everyone ignored the actual villains in this whole thing.

[ashen perch]

Yeah lol, but they did get away very quickly before the pirates got to them

[graceful belfry]

We haven’t seen any Domi Reversi’d characters go against Imu’s orders, as far as I remember. So I don’t think there’s any reason to assume Xebec would be a different case. Unless Oda wants to do something with will power or the Davy Clan having some special trait, akin to the Buccaneers, that allows them to be semi-resistant to something like Domi Reversi.

[woeful moth]

the WG and Imu is not as smart as people think they are anyway

[ashen perch]

I do think he will resist it for a minute

[unique lagoon]

yeah im betting on this for now
maybe just for a moment
For some opportunity to happen

but i do think rocks will kill his wife

[ashen perch]

yea, I'm thinking his last words will surely be his own

[unique lagoon]

maybe wife is strong also haki wife

[warm sierra]

“Roger, Garp, kill me”

To parallel haralds death

[ashen perch]

She did say she was capable of protecting herself yeah? But probably not against Domi'd Rocks though lol

[lofty fern]

I think the CDs and Imu would rather Garp be under their control then out there as some other unseen trouble. Right now, he's their unruly pet D. They put up with him as long as they get to use him.
Honestly, I don't even think Imu saw him. The way his eyes looked? Everyone was beneath his notice.

[unique lagoon]

well demon rocks still needs to go through his crew and roger

dont think gaban and ray will be there at all

and garp ofc

[dense haven]

does gunko count

[warm sierra]

Gaban knowing about the regen counter now implies that the roger pirates clashed with GKs after god valley

[unique lagoon]

btw did we even see mf doing anything at all after this panel

[digital spear]

No

[unique lagoon]

[royal orchid]

I hate oda

[rapid ridge]

Who's this?

[warm sierra]

Bogoat

[unique lagoon]

lost character

[stone terrace]

Fake demon

[dense haven]

bogard kills rocks

[graceful belfry]

It seems like her situation is slightly different, but when Imu is actively possessing her she shares a lot of aesthetic similarities with the Domi Reversi’d characters. Like the whole devil motif. She can count, sure. It strengthens my Brook agenda

[stone terrace]

This mf brook is gonna play binks sake and imu will start shrieking like the venom symbiote

[digital spear]

Id be really shocked if Bogarf actually does something

Bogarfield

[graceful belfry]

Fucking peak

[unique lagoon]

its somekind of cameo character by now
similar to pandaman

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/bOuJe.gif

[pine scaffold]

Yeah

he was running with Garp

while talking to Sengoku

[frail kindle]

Hey sb

[unique lagoon]

hold up

[proud pivot]

@pine scaffold hi

[frail kindle]

Guess what

[pine scaffold]

hey everyone

what

[urban lodge]

Schrodinger's Bogard

[rapid ridge]

Chicken butt

[frail kindle]

My ban threats are no longer fake

[rapid ridge]

LOL GOTTEM

[lofty fern]

They were still there as the pirates were crashing the islands, the pirates just never went after them.
I love this map that just shows them getting away

[graceful belfry]

Music being a counter in a non-audio medium is such an annoying idea, but I can’t deny the thematic relevancy and mystique of Bink’s Sake

[pine scaffold]

OH SHOOT I SEE THE HAMMER

[royal orchid]

character who has been at garp's side for decades
survived god valley without a scratch on his coat or hat
not a single feat because oda hates him for some reason

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-so-cooked-gif-11199807318849761981

[stone terrace]

If you want sb you need to take me first

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-xmen-the-animated-series-x-men-the-animated-series-xmen-97-x-men-97-gif-405849648084393304

[royal orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1412073551854440448/Animation9.gif

[digital spear]

This is just the Gil Bastar situation

[frail kindle]

uwu

[lofty fern]

She can probably protect herself as much as Oda allows her too, which means she can hit, kick, and punch and that's about it.

[pine scaffold]

Last Bogard appearance

[native seal]

then he magically disappears

pandaman of the marines

[dense haven]

he's just too fast for human eyes

[proud pivot]

bogard ran faster than wb ran from garp

[royal orchid]

Bogard: Wanna see me run up that hill? Wanna see me do it again?

[stone terrace]

Bogard shows up at the end like job well done

😭

[mental cedar]

He's comin for Garp's Hachinoosu Rescue trust

[proud pivot]

bogard like that one police officer who shows up after the credits roll in a horror movie

[lofty fern]

He was there for when he got captured, why would he do anything now?

[urban lodge]

Bro was there when Garp got left behind 😭

[stone terrace]

Oda does gas up garp ill say that

[mental cedar]

That was all part of the plan

Garp was in on it

[ornate tartan]

oda loves roger and garp

[stone terrace]

Roger has rayleigh
Whitebeard has marco
This mf garp has bogard

[royal orchid]

Garp told Bogard he was gonna go solo and not to worry about him

[mental cedar]

True

[unique lagoon]

i totally missed this

[native seal]

garp is him

no doubt in his strength

just his morality

[lofty fern]

Looks too good for what actually happened

[pine scaffold]

Bogard was just absent this chapter

pretty weird

[native seal]

fire

[digital spear]

Biggest aurafarming scene in the series

[stone terrace]

He tricked a generation of fans

[hot cairn]

“Luffy died”

[digital spear]

There was no need to cut the pistols in tiny little slices just unhand him bro

[proud pivot]

reminds me of takamura lol

[golden valley]

Bogard isn’t even sbs material

[native seal]

LUFFY DIED

[golden valley]

Thats crazy

[pine scaffold]

whats the longest chapter name in OP

[royal orchid]

how funny do you guys think it would be if someone new just showed up with the Jiki Jiki no Mi now in the story

[digital spear]

Fooreshadowing Bogard will kill Luffy

[hot cairn]

[native seal]

very funny

[mental cedar]

Jokes aside he's only their for screen ig he's basically like Pandaman.

& He was only named in Anime credits.

[grand flower]

Garp is so fuckin cool man

[ashen perch]

I think we'll get a few scenes of the Rocks Pirates, HKs, Roger Pirates and Bogard clashing in the coming chapters, Oda's just focused on the main 6 for now

[woeful moth]

this is why Ace's death chapter name works

[lofty fern]

I would laugh and then laugh some more. Stop to gather my breath, and then laugh even harder

[proud pivot]

is this flashback the longest one?

[stone terrace]

Portgaz D Ace and the Terrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

[unique lagoon]

so Imu dint spawn yet when these demons showed up right? did imu just use garling to convert them?

[woeful moth]

dude always clickbaited death enough and you never know if he will actually kill the character

[grand flower]

Yeah now is a good time to do that because we’ve gotten to a high dramatic sting with rocks being converted

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[lofty fern]

Nah, I think Oden's is still longer so far

[digital spear]

Probably a title that goes like this

[royal orchid]

yeah that's a pending question

[grand flower]

It’s like the coaster speeding up straight after a big drop

Getting ready to go up again

[urban lodge]

Oden is still longer but this will surpass it for sure

[royal orchid]

if holy knights can Domi Reversi it's

[digital spear]

or this

[unique lagoon]

so possible that herald got transformed without imu being there

with just magic circles

[ashen perch]

We've got some setup from last chapter too, like I think we're getting some Shiki focus this chapter and some Kyo

[proud pivot]

Oden flashback has 14 chapters, the loki/rocks/harald flashback started around 1151 right?

Its close

[lofty fern]

Imu it seems doesn't even need circles

[hot cairn]

This one has 12 so far and Oden’s is 15

[rose rune]

Flippin hell

[ashen perch]

Yea this is probably the longest

[hot cairn]

but itll def pass it

[pine scaffold]

WAIT

[stone terrace]

Why did bro name it that

[mental cedar]

2 chapters remains for Gvalley ig

[native seal]

oda using such a generational title for one line of the chapter, yeah this promise is gonna be something crazy

[unique lagoon]

nono because demons spawned in GV before imu used saturns body
so we saying maybe HKs can just do it

[royal orchid]

what is scarier
SB saying WAIT or Meek saying WAIT

[ionic palm]

its somewhat funny that the Elbaph arc so far has largely consisted of two flashbacks so far since about half of the chapters have been from them.

[stone terrace]

Meek

[proud pivot]

Its about Noa's ark since Rocks wanted to meet the galley Las to build a ship or sum

[native seal]

oh yeah

rocks knows so much and we dont know how

[hot cairn]

two flashbacks?

[urban lodge]

When meek says that he's probably about to make a bet that results in him getting muted for 3 months

[lofty fern]

Both

[digital spear]

Whats the first one or do you mean the future Brook and Gunko flashback

[pine scaffold]

@digital spear

[unique lagoon]

guess its not a wild idea for imu to use garling to transform davy clan to demons
and just switched to saturn

[ionic palm]

Herald's past pre-King

[proud pivot]

and shirahoshi wasn't born yet so he might have thought "fuck it Imma create my own ship"

[pine scaffold]

does Meek do that too

wtf man

[digital spear]

ok this might win... Saturnbros we are so back

[pine scaffold]

Saturn is so cool man

hes awesome

[lofty fern]

Could you imagine what would have happened if Ginny hadn't gotten that message out?

[royal orchid]

like every other time he's here

[ionic palm]

Herald's past pre-King meeting Ida and what we got in Loki's childhood

[hot cairn]

ahh that’s still one flashback tho

[ionic palm]

is it tho?

[proud pivot]

I'd not be surprise if rocks already knew about the one piece and was the one who inspire roger to pursue it

[ionic palm]

I kinda considered them as separate.

[unique lagoon]

maybe imu was using garling for a moment
rocks cut off his face and removed the link
imu then switched to saturn

[hot cairn]

yeah

[digital spear]

Well its all in the same flashback nonstop since 1152

[ionic palm]

yeah I guess

[rose rune]

Does the official say herald? Cause I keep seeing people spell it like that recently

[royal orchid]

smh wrong message

SB deleted it

[pine scaffold]

yeah u cant reply to it now

L

[hot cairn]

nah it’s says Harald

[ionic palm]

nah, its Harald, I just realized I've been spelling it wrong the whole time

[royal orchid]

SB is realizing saturn just isn't him

[pine scaffold]

saturn is the strongest gorosei

[ionic palm]

I keep forgetting its Harald with an A and not an E

[royal orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342244244018040884/1348879623416709120/look_at_this_dude_garp.gif

[rose rune]

Probabky because of the astrid/estrid

[native seal]

i almost believed oda was washed then this mf drops that banger of a mural chapter

[woeful moth]

its always been Harald... its an actual name of a king of Norway

[hot cairn]

LOL

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-shaking-head-speed-shaking-head-speed-clapping-hands-gif-7797247252281441694

[royal orchid]

Harald is an actual name
Herald is a role

[hot cairn]

but Elbaph had so many good chapters before the mural

[grand flower]

@pine scaffold @digital spear @stone tulip @hot cairn @ashen perch

Everyone understandably assumed this is Imu, but I think this is gonna be Blackbeard. Marineford was foreshadowing. Blackbeard was the central enemy of everyone there. Shanks was there to stop him. The navy needed to stop him from sinking Marineford. The Whitebeard pirates wanted revenge for him finishing off Whitebeard. Blackbeard was why they were all there in the first place stemming back to stealing the Yami

But, it wasn’t the right time for them to fight, as Blackbeard said. He’s right, but not because he thinks. It’s cause they were fractured and still also fighting each other then. The right time will be the world uniting to stop him from ushering an age even worse than Imus.

[rose rune]

My liege

[digital spear]

The name Harald probably comes from Herald

[urban lodge]

Main arc Elbaf has been a 10/10

[ionic palm]

yeah thats the screw up I had

[digital spear]

My friend says the exact same thing

[grand flower]

I’m also your friend

[native seal]

not really in the lore aspect

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ds2-emerald-herald-gif-13702023377556485209

[royal orchid]

get me an etymologist

[digital spear]

Maybe youre him

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[hot cairn]

that’s a cool idea

[glass plume]

oh please...

[pine scaffold]

This changes everything

[hot cairn]

wdym

[hot cairn]

there was Nika lore

[grand flower]

That figure is holding the sun

Yami Yami is the Logia incarnation of the abyss

[native seal]

giants worshipping nika was revealed in egghead

[grand flower]

If the abyss naturally exists, so can a Logia of it

[proud pivot]

Oda didn't introduce BB back at drum island to clown on him at the end, he's gonna be the main villain

[glass plume]

everything has to be about Blackbeard

[hot cairn]

I mean the different interpretations of Nika, that was revealed before the mural

[digital spear]

Chapter 1136

[woeful moth]

it doesn't Harald actually means Warrior Ruler... a herald is a messenger

[royal orchid]

Yami Yami no Mi is someone who wished to be one with the abyss
if VP theory is true

[hot cairn]

it’s fair if you think BB is the final villain

[proud pivot]

If we talk abt shanks scar, then teach was planned way before

[royal orchid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Hardrada

[native seal]

ah yeah

[grand flower]

Drops the main thesis of the story. That’s my final boss

[glass plume]

i'll drop it after Imu is defeated if that's the case and then return with they find the one piece

i have no interest in Blackbeard

[native seal]

bb is a great villain

why so against him

[glass plume]

i just dislike him heavily

[grand flower]

Oda has said Blackbeard is his favorite historical pirate

[glass plume]

i can't find the interesting parts about him

[alpine trench]

Pinging Sb as if he engages with the story this way

[grand flower]

SB is pure of heart and so am I, we understand each other