also-manga

[steel stirrup]

Sengoku is just a lying ass old head

Demon Dorry

[ornate tartan]

demon dorry and demon brogy are zoro sanji matchups

[urban lodge]

I'm a Loki fan, just on a more... reasonable level

[steel stirrup]

I like that

[sweet anvil]

Penny dislikes any non wg agenda lmao

[frigid gulch]

Loki not fighting Imu is underwhelming

[fallen meteor]

thats fine if the flashback ended but until it ends we dont know

[tranquil blade]

Actually Kyo cant die here nvm

[sage temple]

Sengoku is like those history channel interviewers who speak of people in the past like they knew em

[pine scaffold]

we get all this hype from Loki only to end up fighting a demon Dorry and thats it

🥀

[frigid gulch]

I’d prefer if he hypetooled Dorry or Brogy actually

[sage temple]

😭 Penny's just pissed Rocks and his disciples are winning rn

[tranquil blade]

Dorry is the stronger of the two old captains tho

[pine scaffold]

He needs more than just that tho, cuz thats really boring

[steel stirrup]

Ik Kuma saved 500 slaves

Garp aint saved shit

Roger only saved Shakky

[frigid gulch]

He’s stronger than both anyway

[fallen meteor]

reread what i said lol

[urban lodge]

This is still like 10% hp Loki

[sage temple]

That still makes no sense Loki tells them that they need his help after feeling IMU'S Haki specifically

Not Dorry or Brogy or whoever else

[urban lodge]

Fighting demon Dorry is good enough

[frigid gulch]

I’m saying he does that first

[sage temple]

I don't care that isn't portrayed at all

[frigid gulch]

10% hardly matters tbh

He’ll still fight well

[tranquil blade]

10% is a little crazy, after he eats it's gonna be like 40%

Plus I do think Loki fights Imu for at least a chapter

[pine scaffold]

Yeah that can happen, but it wont be his ONLY fight

is what im saying

[urban lodge]

Demon Dorry could be Rocks level for all we know

Relax

[steel stirrup]

The time to save has passed

This is about to be a fight now

How they gon save anyone if they're fighting each other

[tranquil blade]

and then probably gets messed off pretty quickly cause Imu's cracked

[sage temple]

Yeah but there's no reason to restrict Loki from fighting Imu this entire arc

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/lying-wong-gif-7845920779899236663

[frigid gulch]

Idt anything suggests it’s a 2x boost so far but we’ll see

[tranquil blade]

NOW let's just calm down here for a second

[hot cairn]

CHAPTER WEEK

[bold sonnet]

The numbers ahhhh

[steel stirrup]

Penny just saying wild off the wall shit to hurt our feelings atp

[fallen meteor]

man this isnt hard to comprehend right
kuma didnt do a sweep off the entire island saving everyone, theres a lot of people around
theres plenty of shit to happen lol unless oda wants to just jump away

[sweet anvil]

My agenda won’t stand for this ❤️‍🩹

[sage temple]

Ngl I'm disregarding everything Penny says about Loki and Rocks for the foreseeable future

[tranquil blade]

Did Arsal convince people Dorry and Brogy are like yonko level

[urban lodge]

You're all acting like I'm crazy like Harald wasn't that strong even without Domi Reversi 😔

[tranquil blade]

Harald was cracked don't say that

[urban lodge]

Demon Dorry could be cracked too

[sage temple]

But yeah in the castle room I think Loki might've worked together with Jarul to fight Harald

[steel stirrup]

All the people around on panel are dead or dying bruh

[tranquil blade]

Harald probably bullied Dorry and Brogy as kids tbh

[pine scaffold]

why the hell are you glazing Dorry of all people

[tranquil blade]

He probably beat them up a few times

[frigid gulch]

Harald and Loki are in a different league to those mfs

[sage temple]

Because she doesn't want Loki to get any good fights

😭

Scared of letting Loki touch Imu

[urban lodge]

Socrates

[frigid gulch]

But the demon boost is key

[fallen meteor]

ok i will accept that you dont want to really argue about it

[sage temple]

Is it really tho

[pine scaffold]

Domi reversi demons aren't allat ngl

I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about the giant ones and Davy clan ones

[frigid gulch]

How much does it actually power up

[urban lodge]

I guarantee you you do NOT want Loki to fight Imu

That's not gonna end well for him

[sage temple]

I feel like it'd be an extreme waste to have Loki fight Brogy and Dorry

There are like 70 other demonified giants

[steel stirrup]

Garp is literally stepping over dead bodies talking to Sengoku on the transponder

Who is he about to save

[sage temple]

And he only fights Dorry

[pine scaffold]

they dont seem that strong, if u know the weakness to regen ofc

cuz unlike HK, they STAY dead and dont heal back from the weakness

[sage temple]

Are we serious

[sweet anvil]

We WILL be there for Loki vs imu

[tranquil blade]

Idk prob like 6 or 7

[sweet anvil]

Loki masterclass

[frigid gulch]

[sage temple]

Penny I promise Loki will come out on top

[fallen meteor]

i forgot they are fighting on the panel island that is famous for just being one panel sized

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[tranquil blade]

This is honestly a dead end convo

[pine scaffold]

As long as u know the weakness to regen, you can pretty much kill the Domi reversi demons with ease (at least the fodder ones)

[steel stirrup]

And Sengoku said they fought to protect the slaves and CD

Roger aint about to protect shit but Shakky

[sage temple]

New opinion dropped

[sweet anvil]

My agenda is right and anything against it is wrong !

[ashen perch]

Imu is lowkey 1 shotting Loki but I guess Socrates really wants to see it

[thick mango]

but isnt part of the problem you dont wanna kill the domi reversi demons? You wanna save em

theyre youre friends and allies

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[sage temple]

Arsal this is another example of your terrible takes when it comes to Loki

[frigid gulch]

Indeed

[fallen meteor]

at this point i dont know
i wanna see how strong saturn imu is before saying this

[tranquil blade]

Well idk if Loki gives a shit

Does Loki even care about Dorry or Brogy

[sweet anvil]

Imu lowkey isn’t a power house like that but we aren’t ready for that

[urban lodge]

Loki has never even met these guys

[sage temple]

True

[pine scaffold]

Well I'm mainly talking about the random fodder giants

I kinda doubt they will be saved

[sweet anvil]

Imu just endlessly regens

[frigid gulch]

Loki will mow them down like Rocks did

[pine scaffold]

but maybe?

[sage temple]

So why would he want to fight Dorry instead of Imu

[ashen perch]

This is my only take on Loki that can be perceived as terrible, I love him smh

[steel stirrup]

They cant do shit

[calm goblet]

imu plus the weakest gorosei

[mighty shell]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[ashen perch]

Imu just stronger

[sweet anvil]

Maybe

[thick mango]

itd be kinda bad if we start killing random civs just cause we dont know their names but bend over backwards to save dorry and broggy

[tranquil blade]

Loki might respect their strength but Dorry and Brogy were gone decades before he was born

[fallen meteor]

because logically imu one shots everybody like that in elbaf yes but oda might be making him weaker or a regen merchant

[sage temple]

I mean yeah obv but 1 shot is a massive exaggeration

[steel stirrup]

The 900 year old immortal is strong? Huh.

[pine scaffold]

Check how many days it is until Christmas.

RIGHT NOW!!

[sweet anvil]

what makes imu has to make them so strong is the fact that they can’t die and probably super regen

[sage temple]

Wdym by gone

[sweet anvil]

If I had to guess

[urban lodge]

Because they will kill Jarul and temporarily become kings

[steel stirrup]

Didn't see that shit coming

[tranquil blade]

They were on little garden fighting decades before Loki was born

They weren't at Elbaph

[sage temple]

Oh alr

[pine scaffold]

Lol

[ashen perch]

Oh I was scrolling up and btw, Harald, Demon Dorry and Demon Brogy are equals.

[sage temple]

So go for the source of this threat instead of Dorry and Brogy

[steel stirrup]

🤣

[bold sonnet]

😭

[pine scaffold]

Do we know if you can even reverse the demon thing

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-tweaking-im-done-this-fucking-guy-enxliv-gif-9697787287192308241

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/j-jbtzxclsv-lol-jbtzxclsv-laugh-jbtzxclsv-ctha-god-lol-donnell-rawlins-gif-14310738

[pine scaffold]

What happens if you just cant reverse the demon thing

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy regularly beat Harald in a 2v1, but 1v1 its the Imu boost that took em to that level

[pine scaffold]

what then

[steel stirrup]

IM DYING

[tranquil blade]

I hope a meteor hits my home right now

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[tranquil blade]

WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM

[sweet anvil]

Did bro just make ts uo

[urban lodge]

I mean... He might, I don't think it's impossible he fights Imu, I just don't think he'll do anything significant to him

[steel stirrup]

Arsal lmaooooo please

[sweet anvil]

Blatant misinformation

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-funny-ishowspeed-stream-laugh-gif-1421963245027035132

Please stop

[bold sonnet]

Bro wtf is this lmao

[frigid gulch]

Incredible headcanon power levels

[tranquil blade]

W headcanon though that is kinda fire

[ashen perch]

It's true

[tranquil blade]

Arsal you came up with that like 5 seconds ago

[steel stirrup]

Arsal reading Three and a Half Piece atp

[pine scaffold]

I just wanna let u know that glazing the demons is a bad idea, look what happened to the knights

[ashen perch]

Harald, Dorry and Brogy were the old age Ace, Sabo and Luffy trio. All with potential as great as the others.

[bold sonnet]

[tranquil blade]

Holy shit

[frigid gulch]

Fuck no man

[sweet anvil]

Ok now it’s just bad ragebait

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-facepalm-lmao-gif-15446474421410342464

[bold sonnet]

Nah

[sage temple]

Other than Luffy, Loki is the 2nd strongest on the island that'll be going against the antagonist this arc

[bold sonnet]

Lmao

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[tranquil blade]

I'm getting baited so hard rn

[sweet anvil]

It was decent at first now it’s buns

[steel stirrup]

Im am crying real tears

This is great

[ashen perch]

The problem is that I see too far in the future, you guys aren't seeing it

[steel stirrup]

Hilarious

[sage temple]

I swear Arsal pays these people to say "lmao" to his messages

[tranquil blade]

I fell for it

Yknow what I admit to falling for ragebait

[ashen perch]

Did you guys see that panel of them together? ASL trio vibes

[bold sonnet]

Bro thinks he has future sight 😂

[steel stirrup]

Nah that rage bait is funny

[pine scaffold]

It's not even that funny bruh 💀 💀

[steel stirrup]

I legitimately am laughing

[sage temple]

Genuinely bro I feel like I'm missing smth

[steel stirrup]

Fucking hilarious

[pine scaffold]

but ngl if yall are actually finding it funny, good for yall its nice to laugh

[pine scaffold]

lol

[steel stirrup]

Bro said Hararld Dorry and Broggy were another ASL😭

Lmaooo

Any three niggas get together and its ASL again huh

[ashen perch]

Not even baiting, y'all will see it eventually, its fine 😔

[sage temple]

MIGHT just be os

[steel stirrup]

😭

[tranquil blade]

Arsal I'm supposed to be the one who baits

[grand flower]

Dragons been pulled closer to Imu more than Luffy has

[sweet anvil]

Oh I forgot about that 💔

[pine scaffold]

I just seen a page from a certain manga

[sage temple]

Notice how I called that out before it was deleted

Make me a mod Arsal

Ik you want to

[sweet anvil]

My shit got lulusiad

[ashen perch]

Yea no other series here lol

[pine scaffold]

I wont say what series it is

cuz thats technically spoiling

[tranquil blade]

Okay

[pine scaffold]

but I badly want to

[steel stirrup]

Oh hell nah

[pine scaffold]

but I wont

[trim lily]

youre so brave

[steel stirrup]

Bro gon have mandatory Loki glaze days

[tranquil blade]

Sb why are you acting like it's niche

[pine scaffold]

thx

[ashen perch]

Also this isn't true I swear

[steel stirrup]

Don't do it

[sweet anvil]

Can someone remake my image but with a one piece panel

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dakorca-vtuber-dakorca-jump-anime-jump-kanna-jump-dance-gif-15286459258690998490

imu

[sweet anvil]

Want to use ts

[urban lodge]

Sb is too scared to do it, everyone laugh

[ashen perch]

I come up with my takes like weeks before I say them here

[sage temple]

It'll be on 11/30

https://tenor.com/view/white-boy-druski-white-druski-druski-white-boy-not-too-much-shhh-gif-232282694754040192

Soon

[steel stirrup]

😭

[ashen perch]

I have been feeling it fr, Dorry, Brogy and Harald will get another flashback

[pine scaffold]

technically Loki upscales Rocks

[sage temple]

No?

[sweet anvil]

After this urouge vs imu will happen

[ashen perch]

To explore their dynamic, its gonna ve great

[tranquil blade]

Who is who if they're meant to parallel to Ace Sabo and Luffy??

[pine scaffold]

He wants to be just like him!!!

[urban lodge]

And Rocks upscales Mihawk

[tranquil blade]

I actually dont know if I can believe you planned this take

[pine scaffold]

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-that-brothers-starving-starving-gif-19331207

[ashen perch]

Harald is Luffy, Ace is Dorry and Sabo is Brogy

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-22055472

[sweet anvil]

And everyone upscales dragon 🗣️

Think about it

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-donatello-slow-down-friend-slow-down-hold-up-gif-26010964

[pine scaffold]

ngl Loki and Rocks both upscale off each other

so its fair

[steel stirrup]

Arsal you got too much dip on ya chip chill out

[ashen perch]

Wait, forgot their colors

[sweet anvil]

When you walk fast there is a small gust of wind

Who is linked to wind

Wragon

[steel stirrup]

😭

The mental gymnastics

[sweet anvil]

It all makes sense

[steel stirrup]

🥇

You earned this

[frigid gulch]

Loki scales off Harald who scales off Rocks

[sage temple]

That is true

[pine scaffold]

thats the long way to say it yeah

[dense rapids]

Jarul will get a flashback

[pine scaffold]

I just made it easier

[tranquil blade]

Who scales off of aura

[ashen perch]

Harald - Luffy
Sabo the Blue - Dorry the Blue
Ace the Red - Brogy the Red

Makes more sense

[sage temple]

Prime Loki > Rocks

[frigid gulch]

[sage temple]

Thank you

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/j-jbtzxclsv-lol-jbtzxclsv-laugh-jbtzxclsv-ctha-god-lol-donnell-rawlins-gif-14310738

[urban lodge]

And what does Rocks wield?

[ashen perch]

Jarul is their Dadan

[tranquil blade]

Jarul is Garp

[pine scaffold]

EOS Loki = Davy D. Xebec

equals

[frigid gulch]

Demon Jarul

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[tranquil blade]

or Jorul is Garp

[sweet anvil]

A sword shaped hammer

[sage temple]

[ashen perch]

When I start baiting you guys will know its bait, trust

[sage temple]

What he said

[sage temple]

Yeah like saying Imu one shots Loki

[steel stirrup]

Bro uses that shit like a hammer

[ashen perch]

These are legitimate takes, if you're getting riled up then its your fault

[dense rapids]

Ur cooking but I’m talking before they’re born

[sage temple]

Rocks' attacks hit like hammers too according to narrator

[ashen perch]

Yea, I was baiting you there, obvious example.

[steel stirrup]

I think its hilarious

Keep going i haven't laughed this hard Ina minute

[sweet anvil]

“Harald used to get 2v1ed by dorry and broggy”

[ashen perch]

Oh yea that too fosho

[tranquil blade]

What is Jorul supposed to be

[sage temple]

Oh you were?

[steel stirrup]

Garp like you just said 5 times

[tranquil blade]

I said it once

but okay

[dense rapids]

I think Jarul and Jorul will be connected with what happened with Emet and the Holy Land and maybe the St Briss

[steel stirrup]

Twice

Avery dont play with me

[ashen perch]

I meant the regular versions of Dorry and Brogy can beat Harald in a two v one imo lol, phrased it poorly

[dense rapids]

Besides the gorosei and knights they giants are probably the only others who could connect

[sage temple]

Wanna repeat that Shuron?

[steel stirrup]

Im watching every move pookie

[sweet anvil]

Where is the panel of this bro 💔

[tranquil blade]

"Jarul is Garp"
"or Jorul is Garp"
Two different people

[bold sonnet]

Bluejam

[grand flower]

What you talking about

[sage temple]

Yeah pipe down

[steel stirrup]

we playing that game

Bet

[grand flower]

Piping up

[ashen perch]

I didn't say I had a panel bro

[tranquil blade]

He might be baiting you

[sweet anvil]

You said it like a fact

[steel stirrup]

What did Sharon's dumbass say now?

[grand flower]

Bro’s losing it

[ashen perch]

I say everything like a fact because its true

[sage temple]

The usual illiteracy

[tranquil blade]

You say a lot of things Arsal

[sage temple]

Nothing surprising

[ashen perch]

Yes, Dorry and Brogy are now Harald Level, its true

[tranquil blade]

They're like admiral level maybe

[sweet anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-11163263652107188830

[ashen perch]

Demon Dorry and Demon Brogy are gonna be higher than just admiral level

[sweet anvil]

The mr 3 victims

[ashen perch]

Just false

[urban lodge]

Dorry and Broggy combined are yonko level as is, even without Domi Reversi

[steel stirrup]

Was it funny at least

[sage temple]

Nothing Shuron says is funny

Maybe if someone else said it

I woulda chuckled

[steel stirrup]

Damn

[sweet anvil]

Based on what

[grand flower]

Cap

[steel stirrup]

Now this is funny!

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t mean they beat Harald tho

[ashen perch]

This is what I was saying yea. Combined, their regular versions can beat Harald already but the current buff puts them at that level individually too.

[pine scaffold]

Shanks is one shotting Dorry and Broggy

[urban lodge]

Vibes

[frigid gulch]

Combined

[sweet anvil]

I can fw this

Pure agenda

[steel stirrup]

Tbh yea

[sweet anvil]

And vibes

[pine scaffold]

they arent yonko level combined at all

[jagged inlet]

one piece display on top

[urban lodge]

But I'm not even joking, they can fight the gorosei pretty competently

[pine scaffold]

they are like admiral level combined (MAYBE)

[frosty oasis]

Nice display

[pine scaffold]

which is still super strong

[tranquil blade]

Well I mean some of the gorosei are kinda shit

[urban lodge]

And a little sprinkling of bounty scaling too

[tranquil blade]

Like Saturn is ass

[frigid gulch]

Well Harald isn’t an Elder

[stone terrace]

Good flex

[ashen perch]

We already saw them fight characters stronger than Admiral level

[pine scaffold]

but they aint touching the yonko

[blazing depot]

Mordecai poster is so tough bro

[sweet anvil]

Kidds bounty is 3 billion so that means nothing

[ashen perch]

Warcury is Yonko level, they blocked him, pushed him back and flipped him on his head

[steel stirrup]

[tranquil blade]

Saturn couldn't even do anything to Luffy

[urban lodge]

That's why just a little

[bold sonnet]

Nice 👍

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[ashen perch]

Okay

You don't

[jagged inlet]

you know ball

[formal wagon]

cause he was shy

[ashen perch]

You don't gotta yknow

I get it Rich

[formal wagon]

this was saturns first time living

sure he had a lot more itme than most but

[steel stirrup]

Im enjoying the show keep going

[dense rapids]

Only characters Harald/Rocks level rn are Shanks, Dragon, Mihawk, maybe Shamrock, Blackbeard and Akainu

Luffy and Loki will fully be there at the end of the arc

[formal wagon]

dont forget weevil

[jagged inlet]

i agree with this

[sweet anvil]

Now this is something I fw

[dense rapids]

Cook

[deep chasm]

dorry and broggy together yonko level?

[stone terrace]

Saying harald is dorry and broggy level is so disrespectful

[urban lodge]

Anyway, they're genuinely very strong, the Mr 3 memes can be funny but we know he had to sneak them and literally explode Dorry from the inside

[stone terrace]

😭

[tranquil blade]

Also Warcury is not yonko level

[ashen perch]

I think Dorry and Brogys performance against the Gorosei will age tremendously, its only up for them from here on

[formal wagon]

[tranquil blade]

He's a durability merchant

[formal wagon]

he's above

[dense rapids]

Yea he’s Pirate King level

[sweet anvil]

Now think about it like this if mr 3 tried sneaking kaido how is it working out

[tranquil blade]

Sigh

[jagged inlet]

do you think loki will end up here or not quite

[sweet anvil]

Be it a damaged kaido or whatever

[deep chasm]

considering the recent Garling feat I cant imagine shamrock is as strong as them but who knows I guess

[dense rapids]

He’ll be there by the end of elbaph

[jagged inlet]

agreed

[dense rapids]

He will surpass harald

[steel stirrup]

That's the point

[pine scaffold]

Dorry/Broggy combined = Greenbull or Fujitora level of strength IMO

[ashen perch]

Final War Gorosei are gonna be clear and legitimate Yonko level guys, so retroactively its gonna make Dorry and Brogy all the more impressive here

[sweet anvil]

Even if he got bombs off inside kaido it wouldn’t change anything

[urban lodge]

Kaido is an exception among exceptions, there's only like a dozen people who can even hurt him

[steel stirrup]

😭

[deep chasm]

its still mr 3 💔

it just been retconned for them to be stronger now ngl

[pine scaffold]

they aint that crazy man

[tranquil blade]

I just don't see the gorosei hype

[steel stirrup]

Hell nah

[sweet anvil]

The gorosei in the final war

[pine scaffold]

dorry and broggy aint lasting 5 seconds against Shanks

[urban lodge]

Retcon or not Oda wants us to think they're strong now

[steel stirrup]

Toei tryna hype them tho

[sweet anvil]

Gorosei and yonko levek 💔

[ashen perch]

There's no retcon here

[jagged inlet]

toroei

[deep chasm]

if theyre yonko level its still gonna be a lot due to immortality. them flipping a gorosei wouldnt mean combined theyre yonko level when they couldnt rlly do anything relevant

[steel stirrup]

Anime only is gonna think D&B are Yonko level

[sweet anvil]

5 yonko level combatants on one island would send the SH to the bottom of the ocean

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy were said to have dominated the planet with their crew 100 years ago, Oda always intended for them to be powerful

[urban lodge]

I'm exaggerating a little about yonko level but not that much honestly. I don't think them fighting the gorosei together is any different to Marco and Vista fighting Akainu. It's more impressive even

[tranquil blade]

Yeah 100 years ago

[ashen perch]

Its not some happenstance that Oda just decided to have THEM show up to save Luffy from the Gorosei

[jagged inlet]

do y’all think luffy can solo the rest of the straw hats

[dense rapids]

🤣🤣🤣

[tranquil blade]

The current era is on a different level

[ashen perch]

Its because Oda felt it made sense

Because it does lol

[deep chasm]

yea they are strong now, not yonko tho

[steel stirrup]

Yea because the Giants are close

[deep chasm]

yea but then he realized the power creep wasnt matching up so he made them a lot stronger than they were back then

[steel stirrup]

But Yonko level

Come on now

[dense rapids]

All of the younger gen are set up to surpass basically everyone

[deep chasm]

yea theyre not yonko level lol

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it's-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159

[deep chasm]

not everyone strong gotta be yonko level

[sweet anvil]

Idk about everyone

[ashen perch]

No he didn't because he didn't need to lol

[deep chasm]

well thats what happened

[sweet anvil]

Luffy bb koby and Zoro / Sanji yes

[tranquil blade]

I think the term yonko level has no meaning, idk if it ever did but it doesn't now

[urban lodge]

I think it's still plausible without retconning it

[sweet anvil]

Law and Kidd maybe

[steel stirrup]

D&B are the only Giants that are no longer hype tools other than Loki

Thats more than enough atp

Yonko level is wishful thinking

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy didn't lose any legitimate fight, he never had them show their real strength

Its completely plausible

[dense rapids]

Koby, Luffy, Sabo, Loki, Zoro surpassing

[steel stirrup]

Every other Giant has been a hypetool

LITERALLY

Every other one

[deep chasm]

its just a label for a certain level rn. You could call it S tier if you wanted, whatever tyou call it, dorry and broggy aint there

[steel stirrup]

The fact that D&B are no longer hype tools is more than enough

[sweet anvil]

Do we consider bb new gen

[dense rapids]

Naw he’s shanks gen

[ashen perch]

They were fighting with rusty nearly broken down weapons, and even with that they casually demolished the biggest powerful creature we had seen in the series so far

That was their only real true feat in Little Garden

[deep chasm]

yea and had trouble breaking away from mr 3

[steel stirrup]

That fish wasn't talking bout shit

[leaden rivet]

lol even with rusty weapons and getting tricked they would still clear easily if they were as strong as they are in egghead

[deep chasm]

^

[pine scaffold]

why are we fish scaling

[deep chasm]

especially if you think thyeyre yonko level together lmao

[steel stirrup]

Yea these aren't the same niggas oms

[tranquil blade]

Idk I feel like now anytime someone stronger than like Zoro appears people just rush to call them yonko level now

[deep chasm]

yonko level force taken down by mr 3

all of these new world priates need to take notes

[dense rapids]

Current Dorry and Broggy level under Admiral imo

[tranquil blade]

This is because Oda retconned it

[deep chasm]

the yonko were never that hard to take down

[sweet anvil]

Oda has 0 consistency for pre ts characters

[ashen perch]

What are you talking about lol, the guy's guts exploded with a barrel full of explosives

[tranquil blade]

Like how he retconned Crocodile's strength

[sweet anvil]

Crocodile somehow got stronger

[deep chasm]

Oh well yes thats people just doing to much. Everyone thinks every strong character gotta be yonko level and thats weird

[dense rapids]

So many about to come back and break scales during final war 🤣

[tranquil blade]

What's Brogy's excuse

[blazing depot]

Dorry and Brogy just got snuck by Mr 3

[ashen perch]

What is a man supposed to do against that??????

[blazing depot]

They are strong

[pine scaffold]

is Dorry/Broggy COMBINED being at fujitora or GB level a bad take

[dense rapids]

We’re about to see Alvida one shot half of the big mom pirates 🤣

[sweet anvil]

The kaido power cliff will be brutal

[deep chasm]

put some explosives in kaido's stomach it would not have mr 3 taking him down

[ashen perch]

Horrible example Laww

[sweet anvil]

Franky > kaido will be an EoS take at this rate

[urban lodge]

Everyone ignored this lol but I think this is valid

[deep chasm]

its a yonko who youre comparing them to

[formal wagon]

worst example ever thjey're saying

[ashen perch]

Kaido's entire thing is his unmatched durability

Put explosive insides Shanks and then we're talking

[sage temple]

"unmatched"

[frigid gulch]

I’m pretty sure Brogy was still gonna tear things up but Mr. 3 stabbed his hands and feet with daggers. At that point, hed have to rip them off to escape

[tranquil blade]

I feel like this is really hard to compare but I suppose

[deep chasm]

oh no the yonko who dorry and broggy are apparently equal to is the bad example

[frigid gulch]

Which obviously wasn’t happening

[deep chasm]

theres no yonko where mr 3 would have any good plan to take them down

[steel stirrup]

Bro was a baby

[blazing depot]

Sadly they are not base shotgun level

[urban lodge]

Every gorosei is an Akainu in this scenario btw

[formal wagon]

yeah yonko level doesn't mean anything.

[sage temple]

And he only gets stronger from there according to Oda

[tranquil blade]

If you put a bomb in Whitebeard's stomach and detonate it does he lose to Mr. 3

[dense rapids]

If Dorry and Broggy are yonko level then Loki is God level

[frigid gulch]

The bombs are a device like someone being stabbed

[deep chasm]

@ashen perch

[frigid gulch]

To nerf them

[formal wagon]

Borry and Droggy

[frigid gulch]

It ain’t deeper than that tbh

[deep chasm]

yea it nerfed them

[sweet anvil]

Marco and vista barely held back akainu at MF

[deep chasm]

but no yonko is nerfed enough to lose to mr 3

[steel stirrup]

[deep chasm]

so idk how we're getting that theyve been yonko level since back then

[sweet anvil]

No

[frigid gulch]

Dorry didn’t lose to Mr. 3 tho

Pretty sure he got taken out by Brogy

[steel stirrup]

I doubt it

[urban lodge]

But Dorry and Broggy did very well against multiple Akainu level opponents

[rose rune]

imagine if mr 5 joined shanks. they'd be unstoppable

[ashen perch]

Dorry lost to Brogy, so put Roger against WB and yes

[frigid gulch]

So he fought after getting his insides blown up

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoooo where

[rose rune]

"this is booze from my home town"

[tranquil blade]

What was Brogy's excuse for losing

[dense rapids]

Mr 3 is the shadow right hand of a yonko time to put some respect on his name

[ashen perch]

Exploded innards WB v Roger? Yea WB is losing lmao

[dense rapids]

Next bounty will be 3 billion

Mr 3 Billion

[frigid gulch]

Having said that

[blazing depot]

Mr 3 ain’t even real

[sweet anvil]

good argument dorry and broggy combined are capable of putting up a fight against an admiral

[frigid gulch]

They still ain’t really yonko level

[blazing depot]

He immediately switched up on Buggy once Croc came back

[frigid gulch]

Necessarily

[formal wagon]

mr 3?

[frigid gulch]

Galdino the rat

[ashen perch]

Iirc he was suddenly engulfed in wax when he was trying to figure out what just happened to his buddy, been a while though

[dense rapids]

Yall aren’t ready for Mr 3 vs Warcury in the final war

[formal wagon]

YES I AM

[steel stirrup]

Stop it

Please

[blazing depot]

SOCRATES STOP IT!! YOU WILL NEVER BE VORTEX

[sweet anvil]

Mr 3 masterclass

[steel stirrup]

😭

[steel stirrup]

This is crazy

[dense rapids]

Oda gonna have the buggy pirates clash with some of the strongest characters just like marineford

[wraith mantle]

bro this weekend flew by

[sweet anvil]

Imagine if the lion guy from the buggy pirates gets 1 clash or upscale from an admiral or commander then gets scaled above people like enel and pre ts croc

[urban lodge]

I'm partially joking but the gorosei are not really far off, and even if individually they're weaker there are multiple of them

[ashen perch]

The point is basically that nothing in Little Garden requires Dorry and Brogy's strength to be retconned, They were world conquerors and they fought extremely well against the highest authorities of the entire World now. Oda is just showing what they're made up of against guys actually on their level now.

[dense rapids]

So many random characters are gonna get clashes 🤣

[deep chasm]

A large if not the biggest reason those guys would be akainu level is due to their regen which the giants still did nothing to. I could buy them combined matching an admiral but thats the best theyre getting to

[sweet anvil]

No conq clash = no top tier

[steel stirrup]

I know they're all good fighters because of the regen tax

I still talk shit

[dense rapids]

Doflamingo vs Imu gonna feed families

[steel stirrup]

To show regen you have to show your characters getting hurt

Showing them getting hurts makes them seem weak

I know Garling and HK are actually strong combatants

Im still gonna laugh at Garlings ass on the floor tho

[tranquil blade]

Look if Dorry and Brogy do a sky split maybe I could see it

[ashen perch]

regen tax isn't real and its gonna look silly when the Gorosei actually get to fighting in the final war

[sweet anvil]

Lose 5v1 to dragon

[steel stirrup]

Nah regen tax in the way I just described it

[sweet anvil]

Just wait

[sweet anvil]

The dragon agenda will thrive

[frigid gulch]

I mean.. What can you do here realistically

[urban lodge]

Greedier than York

[frigid gulch]

Rip your hands and feet apart?

[dense rapids]

Sacrifice one of your hands then use the hand you got free to remove the other blades

[frigid gulch]

Huh

[dense rapids]

I mean fingers

[ashen perch]

yeah no, Oda was quite clear that the giant captains were in an unfortunate position that they couldn't fight back against

[sweet anvil]

Just use conq to knock out mr 3 💔

[dense rapids]

Mr 3 just has yonko level battle intelligence

[ashen perch]

People just like to sometimes pretend that Oda has no foresight as a way to push back against the idea that Oda plans everything and its ridiculous

[urban lodge]

The worn weapons is also a really good point

[frigid gulch]

Haki was barely a concept at that point

[steel stirrup]

Yea can't ignore that point

[frigid gulch]

They don’t even have conquerors

[steel stirrup]

100 year old worn weapons

[ashen perch]

Its clear that Oda knew exactly how powerful Dorry and Brogy are meant to be and he very very obviously nerfed them on purpose

[steel stirrup]

And still knocked a hole into the big fishy

[ashen perch]

The weapons thing is the most obvious "THESE GUYS ARE NERFED" sign yeah

[steel stirrup]

Nah its just funny sometimes

[sweet anvil]

The attack against the fish was haki

[deep chasm]

must not be that hard to beat yonko

[frigid gulch]

Yea probably

[steel stirrup]

That and being tired for fighting for 100 years straight

But what a training arc

[frigid gulch]

Rusty weapons or not

[deep chasm]

Yea he nerfed them, the issue is that form of nerf would not allow yonko level people to lose to mr 3

[frigid gulch]

I’m pretty sure they could take him out

[sweet anvil]

100 years of haki blooms and not even yonko level

Brutal 💔

[frigid gulch]

That ain’t an issue

[dense rapids]

Why didn’t they use armament Haki

[frigid gulch]

It’s the other stuff

[ashen perch]

They didn't lose to Mr.3, they lost to his tactics

[deep chasm]

then why didnt they take him out

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[ashen perch]

Mr.3 mind you, outsmarted Marineford

[deep chasm]

ok no mr 3 tactics are beating a yonko

[ashen perch]

Outsmarted Sengoku

[frigid gulch]

Well it’s one of them

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/galdino-galdino-one-piece-mr-3-mr-3-one-piece-luffy-gif-18185470347991508381

[ashen perch]

Kizaru

[deep chasm]

yes good thing he didnt beat sengoku

[frigid gulch]

The other was KO

[sweet anvil]

No tactic would be able to beat a top tier

Simple they aren’t top tier

[ashen perch]

He didn't beat Dorry and Brogy either laww cmon man

[deep chasm]

ok so half of a yonko loses to mr 3

we're doing mental gymnastics 😭

[frigid gulch]

Ngl man it’s a pain to explain

You should reread the chapters

[deep chasm]

because it doesnt rlly make sense

[steel stirrup]

He definitely was the MVP

And then Ace sold

[deep chasm]

yes they were nerfed

[ashen perch]

Dorry lost to Brogy, Brogy was depressed and suddenly caught off guard with a billion ton of wax

[frigid gulch]

Not saying that at all

[deep chasm]

the point is no yonko is losing in any case to mr 3 there

[ashen perch]

Go reread Little Garden, I gotta do it too but it makes perfect sense

[dense rapids]

He will be the mvp again

History will repeat

[sweet anvil]

What top tier gets off guarded like that

[ashen perch]

Sengoku

[deep chasm]

ok and a depressed yonko caught off guard would still not get caught or stuck under that, let alone considering observation haki is a thing now

[ashen perch]

Laww

[frigid gulch]

I think the point was that tactics can even taken down monsters

[sweet anvil]

Even sengoku wouldn’t lose to wax

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[frigid gulch]

That was what Mr. 3 said

[deep chasm]

did sengoku get beaten by mr 3

[sweet anvil]

And law isn’t a top tie

[ashen perch]

Where did I say that Brogy is Yonko Level

[deep chasm]

ok so half of yonko level

[sweet anvil]

Half a yonko is not losing to wax

[deep chasm]

lmao

[steel stirrup]

😭😭

[frigid gulch]

Mr. 3 acknowledges that theyd destroy them head on

Blatantly

[deep chasm]

we try to nitpick everything bruh

[ashen perch]

I said that when they're together, yes

[deep chasm]

ok and

we know this

[steel stirrup]

I can't breathe bruh

Lmaoo

[deep chasm]

the point is the nerf would not work on a yonko

[ashen perch]

Laww you're the one doing the nitpicking

[deep chasm]

ok so half of a yonko

[ashen perch]

The idea is clear

[deep chasm]

that also doesnt lose to mr 3

[frigid gulch]

Yes so my point is he used tactics to overcome them

He neutralized one

[deep chasm]

and those tactics would not work on a yonko

[sweet anvil]

Matter of fact even a 1st commander wouldn’t lose to wax like that

[deep chasm]

or half of a yonko

[frigid gulch]

So there’s no “yonko “ in this case

[deep chasm]

its half my bad gang

[frigid gulch]

Why not

[urban lodge]

Why wouldn't they work?

[sweet anvil]

Who out of marco king katakuri and Benn Beckmann would lose like that

None

[frigid gulch]

It’s like Loki being stabbed by Shamrock

[deep chasm]

wow...

[frigid gulch]

Or Garp being stabbed by Shiryu

[deep chasm]

loki to yonko and shamrock to mr 3

[urban lodge]

Unless it's like Kaido and they can just tank the damage

[deep chasm]

this is quite a comparison

[frigid gulch]

Bro that’s not the point

Oml

[ashen perch]

They can work on anyone, these are tactics, they aren't about strength

[deep chasm]

yes it is

[deep chasm]

strength matters in how well tactics work

[steel stirrup]

Didn't he do something to their drinks?

[deep chasm]

you remember how smoothie said logic literally doesnt apply to the yonko

[urban lodge]

He exploded Dorry from the inside yeah

[deep chasm]

as in normal tactics tend to not be enough

[ashen perch]

Yes, he made a barrel full of explosives explode inside Dorry Rich

[steel stirrup]

But he got it into them via their drinks correct?

[deep chasm]

wow I tire out a yonko and used my devil fruit I beat them now

[urban lodge]

Yes

[frigid gulch]

The point is, tactics can overcome a large power gap. The same is true of tricky abilities

[deep chasm]

not that large of a gap gang

[frigid gulch]

Yes they can

[deep chasm]

no they dont

[steel stirrup]

Yea Kaido's dumbass and Big Mom's fatass would've have DEFINITELY fell for that ngl

[ashen perch]

BM and Kaido have their ridiculous durability, but mind you, since we're talking tactics and strength gap

[frigid gulch]

Especially if you read how it happened in Little Garden

[sweet anvil]

We are talking about how broggy got dealt with

[deep chasm]

you just mentioned shamrock a holy knight stabbing loki whos tied down to seastone and was just beat on by gunko

[ashen perch]

Bege could've killed Big Mom lol

[urban lodge]

That could probably damage Kaido too tbh, it's his scales that make him as tough as he is

[deep chasm]

and compared that to mr 3

[ashen perch]

Do we remember WCI?

[deep chasm]

fighting someone whos half of a yonko

[ashen perch]

Ofc we don't

[frigid gulch]

Yes, the point is about the nerf itself

[steel stirrup]

If not because of stupidity Kaido's alcoholic ass would definitely drink that drink

[frigid gulch]

Not comparing the strengths of the characters

lol

[sweet anvil]

If you argue broggy was YC1 which yonko commander is getting done like that

[deep chasm]

and Im telling you the gap is much bigger thus the tactics are less effective

I dont get whats confusing about that either

[sweet anvil]

He’s buns

[frigid gulch]

But it’s not

?

[deep chasm]

a bigger gap means the tactics are less likely to work

[steel stirrup]

And Big Mom eats anything you bring close to her

She would definitely fall for that Mr. 3 strat

[deep chasm]

for example mr 3 puts wax on broggy

guess what happens if a tired out big mom was covered in wax

shed get up

tf

[ashen perch]

Bege could have killed BM with his spectacular plan, he just didnt factor in her going crazier than he thought

[frigid gulch]

Yes and Brogy almost breaks out

[deep chasm]

almost

a yonko is just breaking out

big mom is not staying down

[urban lodge]

It would totally work on them, both Kaido and BM, and their insane durability is external anyway

[deep chasm]

almost like he realized that logic doesnt apply to the yonko bvery well

[urban lodge]

Internal damage could be nasty

[frigid gulch]

“Almost” in the sense that he got attacked before he did. Don’t interrupt me before I finish

[deep chasm]

wow maybe he shouldve done it fasster then

[frigid gulch]

That’s why I’m telling you to reread

[ashen perch]

Smoothie never said that about the Yonko, only BM

[steel stirrup]

Nah they would definitely fall for it

Their gags have already decided that tbh

Shanks is a drunk too so hes not exempt

[deep chasm]

Ill interrupt you however I want we're on a discord

[frigid gulch]

Wdym faster ?

[deep chasm]

move faster

[frigid gulch]

He was doing it and gonna beat em up

[deep chasm]

break out faster

[deep chasm]

yea

[frigid gulch]

Then he gets attacked

[deep chasm]

he shoudlve done it faster thewn

[frigid gulch]

And is stabbed in his hands and feet

[deep chasm]

maybe he wouldnt have been attacked yet

[deep chasm]

wow mayve he shouldve broken out faster

[frigid gulch]

Bro

This is just bait atp

[urban lodge]

That's crazy

[ashen perch]

Okay man

[deep chasm]

its really not

[frigid gulch]

You have nothing

[sweet anvil]

@frigid gulch

[icy wolf]

what you talking about guys

[sweet anvil]

Think about it like this

[frigid gulch]

That’s not how these things work

[deep chasm]

I just gave you your answer and you dont understand how different strengths can do different things

[steel stirrup]

The only thing you can really argue is the effectiveness of Mr. 3 using that strategy against the Yonko

But them drinking that drink in the first place is definitely happening

[deep chasm]

yea bro maybe if youre faster and stronger you can break out before the attack hits you

[ashen perch]

Laww would it help if I conceded that the emperors that Oda originally had in mind were totally gonna be on the level of Dorry and Brogy in Little Garden

[deep chasm]

is that hard to understand

[frigid gulch]

You never Gabe an answer

[wraith mantle]

tea and some chocco chip cookies

life is good

[deep chasm]

I just did and youre not responding

[frigid gulch]

But I absolutely did

That’s the point of a plan

[deep chasm]

I dont understand what you mean here

[sweet anvil]

If any of the yonko were trapped in that cage they’re breaking out before anyone can move to do anything

[steel stirrup]

I cant think of any Yonko who wouldn't fall for that

[frigid gulch]

Yes but the context here is different

Brogy was also emotional cause of beating his comrade in battle

[urban lodge]

Honestly yeah, every single one would

[ashen perch]

What I mean is that Dorry and Brogy were always meant to be among the upper echelon of strength in the World of One Piece, and maybe that ceiling has changed now but it's still true

[frigid gulch]

Then he hears what they did and starts to break out

[sweet anvil]

Wait would shanks just die

[steel stirrup]

The only argument is how effective it would be

They definitely drinking that drink tho

[deep chasm]

ok to help you see what Im saying. If an attack is coming at Fodder #1 very fast, youre gonna say damn theres nothing he could do the attack was coming at him very fast. Now replace the fodder with kizaru, kizaru can dodge right?

So now you have broggy about to break out until he gets hit with an attack. Well maybe if he was big mom, he'd break out even quicker due to being faster and stronger, and he'd be able to block the attack too

[frigid gulch]

Thats entirely why I’m saying you should just reread the party

[sweet anvil]

Serious question

[frigid gulch]

Part*

[sweet anvil]

It’s not like he’s some monster

[steel stirrup]

From Mr 3's drink?

[urban lodge]

It would probably still be very effective, internal damage is nasty

[deep chasm]

bro I do not care, make any yonko or admiral emotional theyre not getting done like that

[sweet anvil]

Yes

[frigid gulch]

Then you’re wrong bro lmao

If you are emotional

[steel stirrup]

I haven't seen enough of his durability to answer that with my genuine opinion

[sweet anvil]

They’re not

[frigid gulch]

You’re not on top of your game

[formal wagon]

damn we're still on mr 3 🥹 also manga is healing

[ashen perch]

Kill Buggy in front of Shanks and then we'll see how he's responding to a quick wax attack, lets go

[formal wagon]

WAXXED

[frigid gulch]

You 100% will be susceptible to stuff that shouldn’t normally affect you

[sweet anvil]

Future sight buddy

[deep chasm]

I dont think theyre meant to be the highest tier of strength in one piece, so you could say that if you wanted but I dont agree. If anything, maybe back then they were meant to be the top tier, and its changed. But right now even combined theyre not meant to be the highest tier possible

[formal wagon]

where's the waning paramecia

[steel stirrup]

But from what we know about Shanks CURRENTLY, I would say he doesnt survive a Mr. 3 cocktail

[ashen perch]

He's Emotionally distraught, future sight doesn't work

Observation Haki relies on a stable mental state

[deep chasm]

idk about you, but I think any yonko/admiral even if not on the top of their game wouldnt get trapped and beaten by mr.3

kinda the issue at hand

[sweet anvil]

Is he emotionally distraught?

[deep chasm]

Yes...I actually think shanks will react just fine

[sweet anvil]

Idk if shanks is breaking down like luffy

[urban lodge]

It's not that different from Bege's plan

[ashen perch]

Well I disagree, the world conquerors were indeed meant to be world conquerors

[tranquil blade]

See but the problem is we dont even know how strong the emperors were originally planned to be

[deep chasm]

and I think you took it too literally and arent seeing how theyre very much not being treated as the strongest things alive

[steel stirrup]

Luffy and Roger dont want to conquer anything they just want to be free

[tranquil blade]

but yeah idk I think Dorry and Brogy are being a tad bit overrated

[ashen perch]

Where Laww, what is showing this

[steel stirrup]

And inherited will says that Joyboy was the same

So imo the strongest "Conquerors" dont want to conquer anything

[ashen perch]

Imu is about to roll over Kaido, WB, Rocks, Roger, Garp and BM combined so them getting Domi'd is not ever going to be insulting to them

[deep chasm]

well for starters you think the pinnacle of strength in one piece is a duo oda would happily show getting done dirty by mr 3 of all people in any contact

[ashen perch]

Aside from that? Mighty fine performance against the Gorosei, will be aging tremendously

[sweet anvil]

Agenda is going too far

[tranquil blade]

Why'd you sneak Big Mom in there

[sweet anvil]

People just spouting nonsense atp bru 💔

[tranquil blade]

She might not even fight him, I figured she'd see an injured Kaido and just grab him and go

[frigid gulch]

1. yes I understand that
2. this is exactly why I mentioned to reread the part cause it’s a pain to detail every thing happening in the interaction. Brogy was not doing anything at all when he was subdued until he heard that Mr. 3 helped him beat his friend. When he does try to break out, he gets hit with a bomb to the head that stuns him for a little. After which he is stabbed entirely through his hands and feet. You can’t simply say “shoulda been faster” in the circumstances

[steel stirrup]

I dont remember Arsal saying they were the pinnacle of strength

And if they did they were rage baiting

[ashen perch]

Because based on that panel illustrating the main event of God Valley, she was there

[steel stirrup]

I hope

[sweet anvil]

The one vs Roger and garp ?

[ashen perch]

I said they are in the upper tier, that they're top tiers

[steel stirrup]

Wait which one

Oh nvm

I mean they are up there

[ashen perch]

The Giant Pirates together terrorized the entire planet, so I think the captains were always meant to be among the strongest lol

[steel stirrup]

100 years of literally fighting for your life there's no way they aren't strong

[sweet anvil]

Strongest of their time

[steel stirrup]

Ultimate training arc

[deep chasm]

youre explaining to me the part and I disagree with you. You keep explaining that they werent at their best. Im aware, and Im saying the people arsal is comparing them to would not be in that position regardless of their emotional state or whatever nerfs

[ashen perch]

Oh right, the headcanon that the admiral standards have changed and every pirate was a bum 100 years ago

Totally makes sense

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoo

[frigid gulch]

Well ye I’m not rambling about them being emperor level or whatever

[tranquil blade]

Well they may not have been as strong as now tho

[frigid gulch]

I think you can just scale it up

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[deep chasm]

yea they were meant to be strong. The main issue being power creep became big and so oda had to creep them for them to stay any relevant

[leaden rivet]

Big mom has like no reason to fight with the rocks pirates here

[deep chasm]

though regardless at this point theyre not the highest tier

[frigid gulch]

Mr. 3 to them is maybe like..

A commander to an admiral

[vestal heath]

Hey chat

[deep chasm]

huh

[steel stirrup]

Neither does WB but hes still standing ten toes down

[deep chasm]

so okay

[steel stirrup]

Hey Roman

[deep chasm]

mr 3 to them is a commander to an admiral

[vestal heath]

how are u today

[deep chasm]

so what are they akin to

[leaden rivet]

Well yeah because that’s in his personality

[steel stirrup]

Good hbu

[leaden rivet]

Big mom doesn’t give a shit about anyone

[frigid gulch]

They’re probably stronger than first commanders

[deep chasm]

broggy alone is as strong as who would you say?

[steel stirrup]

Roger came for Shakky but apparently he's supposed to be a part of this fight

[vestal heath]

Meh

[frigid gulch]

By a decent bit

[deep chasm]

ok so mr 3 is damn near on the commander level then

[frigid gulch]

No

[sweet anvil]

No

Oda just changed their strength

[deep chasm]

but you just said mr 3 to them is a commander to an admiral

[sweet anvil]

Like crocodile

[leaden rivet]

I think it’s only Arsal who thinks they didn’t get stronger

[ashen perch]

I already said I'll concede that the power ceiling increasing forced Oda to make them even more powerful than they already are, but ignoring power level, I think the actual power tier hasn't changed.

[deep chasm]

then you just said they are decently stronger than the strongest commanders

[frigid gulch]

Yea as in there’s a large gap there

An admiral easily takes out a commander

[ashen perch]

There's a difference illya

[sweet anvil]

They didn’t actually get stronger but oda made them stronger for the sake of the story if that makes sense

[deep chasm]

the issue is you also just described dorry and broggy being somewhat close to an admiral

[frigid gulch]

I didn’t

[deep chasm]

ok well we agree on the creep then. The only issue is you think they add up to a yonko and i dont

[frigid gulch]

Cause I have admirals closer to the emperors

[deep chasm]

being a good bit stronger than every commander doesnt get you somewhat close to an admiral?

ok then

[frigid gulch]

Yea a good bit is a relative thing in my mind

[ashen perch]

Well if we're talking post "creep", their bounty speaks for itself too

[frigid gulch]

Maybe like 15% ?

20%

I don’t have an exact thing there

[deep chasm]

ok well sounds to me like they were pretty weak back in that arc, then oda gave them some heavy power creep so they could be somewhat relevant when elbaf became an arc

[frigid gulch]

I’m scaling off the bounty numbers while trying to not overestimate them too much so

[deep chasm]

and they can maybe add up to an admiral

[sweet anvil]

Dorry and broggy combined = Fujitora is what I’m getting as the consensus here

[ashen perch]

Oda puts it well ahead of every commander, combined he puts it well ahead of Luffy even. I think thats a fair assessment

[sweet anvil]

Crocodile is close by no ?

[ashen perch]

I think Oda thinks of strength more than we think in terms of Strength

[sweet anvil]

Ahead even ?

What’s crocodiles bounty again

1.9 ?

[frigid gulch]

1.965

[ashen perch]

I think Cross Guild is weird because its former Warlords tbf

I don't consider them commanders

[sweet anvil]

Benn Beckmann is probably 2B

[frigid gulch]

Croc might just be that good now

[ashen perch]

But I think Croc beats one of them, sure

[sweet anvil]

Maybe higher

[frigid gulch]

Although there’s more to his number than that

[deep chasm]

2 crocs=yonko?

[clever idol]

Beats who? An admiral?

[frigid gulch]

It says “leadership” for him

[sweet anvil]

Dorry / broggy

[frigid gulch]

In addition to logia powers

[clever idol]

Oh yea

I can see it

[deep chasm]

not those pesky logia powers

[clever idol]

Huge targets

[ashen perch]

Croc is probably going to be at an absurd level now I'm sure, I'm putting him ahead of every commander based off just vibes

[deep chasm]

i dont think that rlly matters as some unconventional aspect of a bounty

[sweet anvil]

Beckmann and shiryu surely should be higher

[deep chasm]

shiryu

yuck

[sweet anvil]

Or relative

[frigid gulch]

I’d place him higher than King for now

[ashen perch]

Honestly the details don't matter, Croc is worth that much because he's that strong lmao

[frigid gulch]

But can’t say exactly

[ashen perch]

Beckman maybe but Shiryu I doubt lol

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-vs-king-king-of-hell-one-piece-1062-episode-1062-gif-16340763784012771786

[sweet anvil]

Bounties don’t mean anything in relation to strength in all cases

[tranquil blade]

Shiryu is just awful though

[urban lodge]

We need to stop with the Beckman glaze

[sweet anvil]

Law = Kidd = Luffy

[wraith mantle]

LOL

[tranquil blade]

Beckmann is a vivre card merchant

[sweet anvil]

He’s the strongest 1st commander for sure

[leaden rivet]

Goodness you guys have been on that Brogy topic for a while lol

[sweet anvil]

Exactly

[urban lodge]

He has done nothing and he looked like a clown against Kizaru

[ashen perch]

Not all cases but in a lot of cases, its very clear that Oda is making them based off strength

[frigid gulch]

It’s a rough measure in my eyes

I’m not doing 1+1 with it

[deep chasm]

hey seemed like kid and law were based on strenght too

[leaden rivet]

I imagine Beckman to be around as strong as Kid and Law yeah

[sweet anvil]

So that means Kidd is nearly = to dorry and broggy combined

[ashen perch]

I think Kid and Law are equals yea, so that one works

[frigid gulch]

Mihawk’s bounty clearly places him in the general top tier area

[deep chasm]

and luffy yea

[sweet anvil]

Right ?

[leaden rivet]

I wouldn’t say Kid and Law are equals but they’re around the same

[hot cairn]

what are they talking about?

[deep chasm]

this makes sense

[tranquil blade]

Well Kidd definitely kills Law in a fight but

[deep chasm]

finally a good take

[ashen perch]

Mihawk's an anomaly, he'd be as high as Shanks but strength alone couldn't have justified it

[leaden rivet]

Did Oda retcon Dorry and Brogy’s strength or were they always that strong+ Arsal thinks combined they’re as strong as a yonko

[frigid gulch]

Mihawk’s is higher than his “boss”

[ashen perch]

So Oda put him around there, but not quite there

[frigid gulch]

The first of its kind I think

[hot cairn]

ahhh I see

[sweet anvil]

Dorry + broggy <<< any yonko

Simple

[frigid gulch]

He’s more notorious than two emperors rn

[ashen perch]

Well this started with me saying that Demon Dorry and Demon Brogy are Harald Level but yes

[tranquil blade]

Look Dorry or Brogy are stronger than Zoro, but 2 Zoro's gets murdered by a yonko

It's very simple really

[sweet anvil]

Wait how does bounty = strength

[frigid gulch]

I’m not sure if they’re stronger than Zoro

[deep chasm]

why would you say that

[ashen perch]

2 Zoro is terrible for an emperor

[sweet anvil]

When Zoro is 3x less then kidds

Bounty shouldn’t be used for strength scaling unless we have facts already to know they’re relative

[leaden rivet]

If they’re Harald level then the straw hats just kinda lose no? Because Harald is probably stronger than current luffy.

[deep chasm]

demon dorry and broggy equal to harald whole time theyre about to lose to either loki or zoro and sanji

dont let hajrudin block an attack from demon dorry please

[ashen perch]

Vibes, but also because they're meant to be the new Kings so I'm thinking they're on the level of the previous king

[leaden rivet]

So you have Harald and Imu vs the strawhats

[tranquil blade]

Luffy could fight 2 Zoro's and win and really it wouldn't even be that hard

[leaden rivet]

That’d be quite a show

[hot cairn]

Loki exists for that

[frigid gulch]

I don’t think we really know how much of a boost it is

[deep chasm]

[frigid gulch]

So we’ll see

[sweet anvil]

Gear 2 Luffy beats Zoro mid diff imo

[ashen perch]

Imu said it, Dorry and Brogy now rule Elbaf

[leaden rivet]

Don’t be silly he’s getting retconned too

[deep chasm]

yea thats not exactly hre issue lol

[tranquil blade]

Yknow what demon dorry and brogy together is equal to 1 regular Harald

[deep chasm]

maybe so

[frigid gulch]

Hajrudin is getting upscaled for sure

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin isn't getting retconned, he's just getting stronger

[leaden rivet]

No way hajrudin will be anything like he was in dressrosa lol

[deep chasm]

they can rule elbaf without being equal to harald

[sweet anvil]

Demon dorry and broggy = kizaru

Trust

[hot cairn]

you need to get read for Loki and Hajrudin vs Demon Dorry and Demon Broggy

[deep chasm]

this again

[frigid gulch]

Yea that’s prob fine

[sweet anvil]

No

It’s not

[frigid gulch]

It is

[deep chasm]

if we see hajrudin fighting your harald level demon dorry I dont want to hear anything about natural strength growth

thatd just be retcon

[ashen perch]

This is reasonable Laww, look how much stronger the SHs or Kid and Law got

Since Dressrosa

[deep chasm]

over how much time did the strawhats go from one shotted by g2 luffy in dressrosa to harald level by your logic

[sweet anvil]

The haki bloom vs machvise must’ve been that crazy

[ashen perch]

Hajrudin can simply get stronger, its fine, its not hurting anyone

[deep chasm]

yea its not hurting anyone to say its a retcon too

[leaden rivet]

Well I mean there’s a reasonable amount of strength to get stronger by in like 2 months

[frigid gulch]

Somehow he’ll hit an ancient giant growth spurt mid fight

[sweet anvil]

Depends on what you do

[deep chasm]

yea but youre not going from one shotted by dressrosa g2 luffy to "harald level"