also-manga

[leaden rivet]

He would just walk home?

[steel stirrup]

Huh

[leaden rivet]

They got the message?

[fossil mortar]

green bull is going to be for sure important

[glass veldt]

You all like blue hair gunko or would you prefer white or some shade of blonde_

[mighty shell]

who the hell invited bogard

[steel stirrup]

And then Kuma sending Luffy to Amazon Lily but not going there himself that we saw is also interesting

[stone terrace]

I think the akainu glaze makes him irreconcilably evil

[fossil mortar]

blue haired gunko?

[stone terrace]

That was all in his head

[potent pier]

Like even if a devil fruit user someone washed up on shore and survives, it would be fairly easy for them to be taken down by the inhabitants

[steel stirrup]

@potent pier

[glass veldt]

Yeah

[sweet anvil]

Do you guys think there are more df users or haki users

[glass veldt]

I mean her offical color scheme and all

[potent pier]

We know Kuma has been there once

[ashen perch]

He is just treating them the way a Celestial would treat them, its effective messaging and leads to Yamato staying in Wano so it worked lol

[steel stirrup]

For what tho I cannot remember

[potent pier]

Ann I bet Reyleigh knew when Kuma went there too

[winter oasis]

what lead to her staying in wano was them almost dying lmao

[leaden rivet]

Was he lying here

[steel stirrup]

Was it just for Bonney? To find a cure?

[ashen perch]

yea, thats also part of him sending a message here lol

[steel stirrup]

Or did he go there as a part of his Warlord duties

[urban lodge]

Amazon Lily might have just been during his time as a warlord

[ashen perch]

remember, Greenbull was not actually meant to come to Wano, he took the initiative himself

[steel stirrup]

Thats what im thinking

Boa was a Warlord too

[leaden rivet]

Arsal what would he have done if shanks hadn’t intervened

[potent pier]

It was never shown. But based on Oda's SBS answer, we know the paw paw fruit can only send you places with precision where you have been before

[steel stirrup]

True

I'm going with Warlord duties until Oda clears that up

[vale gust]

because he figured he could capitalize on the straw hats and samurai being injured post fight

[frigid gulch]

He would’ve faked being stunned

[urban lodge]

Yeah and Oda showed him visiting basically every other location he sent the straw hats to during his travels looking for a cure except Amazon Lily

[frigid gulch]

Usopp lie type beat

[ashen perch]

I think he was expecting to fight Luffy atleast, I am not saying he is Pro Piracy lol

[sweet anvil]

Does anyone have an actual explanation as to why Luffy had the same bounty as law and Kidd after wano

[leaden rivet]

It didn’t even seem like Greenbull intended to encounter to the samurai

[steel stirrup]

Makes me feel like he was there for something a bit more but I may be reading too much into it

[ornate tartan]

Ju Peter inhaling all the air in the atmosphere this episode gah damn😂

[leaden rivet]

So would he or would he not kill the samurai

[steel stirrup]

Zamn Zaddy

[potent pier]

Doubt it based on this line in boa's Introdiction chapter

[frigid gulch]

Uh I guess gov saw them all beat emperors so they’re like 3 bill each

[stone terrace]

I think its just so luffy didnt stand out

[frigid gulch]

[ashen perch]

he wouldnt

[stone terrace]

Even though luffy is clearly head and shoulders above

[steel stirrup]

Two miles may be close enough for Kuma if he came on a ship

[hot cairn]

yeah and that’s super boring

[frigid gulch]

Luffy is distinguished by being an emperor tho

[sweet anvil]

He already stood out being crowned an emperor

[frigid gulch]

That’s why Kid was salty

[stone terrace]

Well they cant control that

They can control bounties

[steel stirrup]

Kid should've pulled up on Morgan's instead of Shanks

[frigid gulch]

Brannew is the one who puts the numbers up anyway

[potent pier]

Also , if that was the case, Boa or any other woman would've clearly mentioned it when talking to luffy

[ornate tartan]

Morgans pulled up to Cp0 headquarters with 2 birds, and hasn’t been touched in 40 years. I’m afraid he’s immortal

[frigid gulch]

It’s kinda weird how it’s timed tbh

[steel stirrup]

Not if they didnt put two and two together

[vale gust]

like u aint interested why a seemingly good dude is an admiral ?

[hollow dove]

Authentic answer: Because Oda is the only other person in the world besides me that sees Kid and Law as actual rivals to Luffy

[stone terrace]

Morgans might actually be strong as DUCK

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[stone terrace]

that was a typo but it works out

[steel stirrup]

😭

Im crying

[sweet anvil]

They could still be rivals even with diff bounties

[potent pier]

Reminder, they didn't know what a devil fruit was

[vale gust]

giving kidd the 3B and than one shotting him later is the best bait and switch any agenda has gotten in one piece

[hollow dove]

Exactly, but that simply didn’t wind up the case, hence Oda truly tried putting his point across a bit too clearly to overlook

[steel stirrup]

Kuma going to the island and not showing his DF ability isn't out of the question

Especially if they can only float two miles off shore

[frigid gulch]

Well when you face Shanks or Rocks..

Their opponents tend to get dumpstered for hype

[steel stirrup]

Wouldn't have a reason to show his DF ability

[stone terrace]

Meh i think luffys real rivals are the emperors

[hollow dove]

But the in-story answer may be that the navy and WG didn’t actually see who did what efforts exactly, it’s not like Brannew saw all the panels we did

[stone terrace]

And that was cemented in egghead as him coming out as a winner

[ashen perch]

well it was certainly undeniably true that Oda had them walk into Egghead as equals, but it was only Luffy who "succeeded" against the threat he faced

Oda properly made Luffy stand out with that

[steel stirrup]

[frigid gulch]

Oh 100%

They don’t know details

That’s why CG is what it is

[grand flower]

I think he was gonna actually try to take Luffy but for the samurai, he wanted to send a message

[ashen perch]

yea I agree

[steel stirrup]

Yea all they know is what CP0 told them and they didnt see everything

[potent pier]

Would've instantly questioned how the fuck he survived all of those sea monsters if I was to see him

Also we have to remember the average juniper before Luffy didn't know what a Man even looked like

[steel stirrup]

The Marines have ships with Seastone that mask them from Sea Kings

If he came on one of those ships thats easily explained

[urban lodge]

It's weird tho because Kizaru knows Luffy beat Kaido

[sweet anvil]

Even if they’re rivals in bounty in no other way do the other 2 come close lmao

[vale gust]

i still wonder what the fuck was the point of wasting all that panel space on kidd

[sweet anvil]

Law and Kidd are closer to Zoro and sanji than Luffy

[vale gust]

if he was gonna do that in the end

[steel stirrup]

I wonder if Guernica told them that Luffy won before he finally died

[potent pier]

They would assume he would've travelled there by boat

[leaden rivet]

I said base Luffy could beat Kid and everyone lost their mind

[frigid gulch]

Gaban says it too. Idr if it was reported like that in the papers or it was just word of mouth somehow

[steel stirrup]

He somehow lived long enough to snap a pic of Luffy

[hot cairn]

not really, I’m not interested in seeing him switch sides. That’s kinda boring to me

[frigid gulch]

But Gaban said he heard rumours

[grand flower]

It ain’t the end

[olive sigil]

Why? It was a funny thing

[urban lodge]

Who tf is spreading these rumours

[steel stirrup]

And as a Warlord he would've came on a Marine vessel

And those have Seastone lined bottoms that mask them from Sea Kings

[ashen perch]

The idea was to make Law and Kid legitimate rivals till the very last phase of the race for OP, its just the emperors remaining now but they will still play their roles at the end

[olive sigil]

Sharon noooooo

Why did you remove fruit Kaido?

[stone terrace]

Luffy is the one who became an emperor

[sweet anvil]

Extreme diff imo either way

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-big-news-big-news-gif-19264199

[stone terrace]

People prob just did 2 + 2

[hollow dove]

Just don’t be surprised when someone like Kid randomly comes back with mastered advanced conqeurors by the time all 3 captain trio regroup lol. That’s pretty much what happened in regards to them having devil fruit awakenings. All learnt off-screen, stayed hidden even during their fights with Kaido, then came out of nowhere

[final trench]

Shlawg is probably lurking around flying

[steel stirrup]

Morgan's most def

[glass veldt]

So im curios is this flashback still stuff that Loki is telling everyone or did it bascially become an omniprescent narrator just showing us(The viwers) stuff with no in universe explanation beyond Loki backstorY?

[tranquil blade]

Wdym by base Luffy

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-thinking-hmm-anime-gif-17275096

[frigid gulch]

Bace Luffy

[olive sigil]

Is it 5?

[sweet anvil]

No matter what they do law and Kidd will be closer to Zoro than lufffy lmao

[steel stirrup]

Luffy without transformation

[glass veldt]

or is loki going like "okay so then Kaido decked big mom and ate her fruit"
"LOKI SOMEONE IS COMMING TO KILL US"
"Okay but then Reyleigh also saved his wife what was her name again and "

[stone terrace]

Base luffy was in a dogfight with kaido

[final trench]

The narrator took over when herald got introduced

🫩🫩🫩🫩

[stone terrace]

Although kaidos power level felt inconsistent during that fight lol

[frigid gulch]

Well everyone includes G2 and 3 now

[steel stirrup]

So just Luffy with his regular attacks no G2 G3 G4 or G5

[olive sigil]

I prefer fruit Kaido

[vale gust]

even if he comes back again, using him as a hype tool for shanks is kinda telling oda doesnt think hes a big player in the end. this makes me wonder if oda decided post wano to discard kidd having a bigger role maybe due to time constraints. idk interesting to think about given he clearly did build him up to be a proper rival in wano.

[steel stirrup]

Yea some include G2 now because he does it naturally now

[glass veldt]

so just omnipotent narrator showing us stuff that only we can see with no real in unvierse explanation?

[frigid gulch]

But I think base Luffy should just be actual base

[steel stirrup]

Thats up to you

[frigid gulch]

• haki

[steel stirrup]

I agree with you

[sweet anvil]

Now that I think about it what is kidds wincon against base luffy

[steel stirrup]

Base should be no G2 no Gears at all

[stone terrace]

Ehhhh

[frigid gulch]

Haki is just an equalizer

[final trench]

As flashbacks go yes

[sweet anvil]

Luffy has future sight he’s not getting hit by that railgun

[leaden rivet]

No gears

[steel stirrup]

But I understand them grouping it together because luffy goes in and out of G2 so easily and seamlessly now

[potent pier]

Even if we were to grant that was the case we would still have the issue that nome of the ladies there knew what a man even looked like.

[tranquil blade]

Yeah idk about all that

[urban lodge]

If Morgans knows who did what that only makes the bounties weirder

[steel stirrup]

But imo Base Luffy should just be no Gears

[tranquil blade]

I think Luffy for sure wins with gear 5

but like

[final trench]

I mean we know they suppress luffys feats

[glass veldt]

fair enough

It is a bit confusing though having it be a geniune Loki telling stuff then it becomes another flashback, then its another flashback within that flashback, then anotehr flashbakc in that flashback

[tranquil blade]

Base is a little crazy

[frigid gulch]

Two handed swing blocked by one arm with ryuo

[sweet anvil]

Gear 4 even

[frigid gulch]

[glass veldt]

i guess at this point it would be better to not consider it a flashback and just going back in time so to speak..?

[stone terrace]

1037 was such a gas chapter

[sweet anvil]

Base luffy beats zoro too

[steel stirrup]

But then base Luffy fights with his DF anyway so "Base" Luffy is hard to truly define

[potent pier]

Many of them would've probably mentioned Kuma if they were to think of a man if it was a common occursnce between those two years to send messages to Boa.

[hot cairn]

Kid and Law will come back but Luffy’s real rivals from now on will be Shanks, Blackbeard and Cross Guild

[stone terrace]

Best choreography in a while

[final trench]

The xebec flashback was random as much as i enjoy it, but to my understanding we were originally suppose to see how herald became the man he is today

[sweet anvil]

Zoro law Kidd and sanji lose to base luffy lowkey

[vale gust]

yep

[frigid gulch]

Hopefully Oda cooks in the coming chapters

[glass veldt]

Is it the story of harald or xebec or loki or...

[sage temple]

Loki too ngl

[glass veldt]

Oda just goes "EVERYONE!!!

[tranquil blade]

I mean I don't think Kidd and Law are Luffy's equals either even though they have equal bounties

[final trench]

All 3

[hot cairn]

Loki aint telling the rocks stuff that’s just Oda showing us

[steel stirrup]

If he was there to talk to Boa only she wouldn't have brought the entire island with her to have that conversation

[sweet anvil]

Loki doesn’t belong in the same boat as those 2

[hot cairn]

Loki is 100% just going to be an ally lol

[frigid gulch]

Bounty scaling dictates Luffy = Kid = Law > Loki

[stone terrace]

"Bounties arent just strength" folk when you point out literally everything else luffy has over them

[steel stirrup]

So them not knowing what a man looks like is still explainable

[stone terrace]

[glass veldt]

Flashback is cool but a bit clunky in how its first about loki then its about his dad, then its about xebec then it just kind of goes back and fourth and now its about..god valley? lol its just a bit clunky evne if cool

[sweet anvil]

Loki outscales them badly

[glass veldt]

also will oda bascially show us those 3fighting imu and whatever happens then just goes back to the present for a round 2 vs imu right after we got one? Interesting

[tranquil blade]

I think their bounties are equal cause they're seen as the 3 leaders of the raid nothing more

[frigid gulch]

Bounties are a good rough measure

[sage temple]

Bounty scaling dictates Dragon < Chopper

[frigid gulch]

Does it

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-stewie-crying-gif-10829849892134330925

[sweet anvil]

Bro what

[frigid gulch]

[steel stirrup]

Here we go with this shit

[sweet anvil]

Worlds worst criminal btw

[sage temple]

Yeah it does

[leaden rivet]

Bounty scaling dictates Big mom>Shanks

[tranquil blade]

You know he was trolling

[frigid gulch]

Characters have used bounties as pretty much a power level

[tranquil blade]

Well in a perfect world yes

[sweet anvil]

This IS true

[frigid gulch]

Tho it’s not correct in some cases

[tranquil blade]

but Oda doesn't like women

[steel stirrup]

It dont matter Pandoras Box has been opened

[sage temple]

Is he rly?

[tranquil blade]

Yes

because he used

[frigid gulch]

But we don’t know his bounty

[sweet anvil]

They’re wrong

[stone terrace]

Shanks isnt even a menace like big mom and is 30 years younger

[ashen perch]

well because it is true

[steel stirrup]

Omg

[sweet anvil]

Because Luffy vs law and Kidd is close than Luffy vs law/ Kidd

Not a hot take

[stone terrace]

20 years from now shanks probably would be over 5 bil

[leaden rivet]

Big mom isn’t even really much stronger than the admirals much less shanks lol

[sage temple]

Oh ok so Katakuri loses to Buggy because of the bounty difference

[steel stirrup]

20 years huh

[frigid gulch]

Sure but it does show sorta what Oda does with it. That’s why it’s better as a general measure

[sage temple]

Yeah so for all we know it's 0

[ashen perch]

Shanks might not exist in 20 years

[stone terrace]

He wont

[steel stirrup]

20 years is crazy

[tranquil blade]

Shanks is gonna be a headstone in 2 months

[frigid gulch]

Very very unlikely bro

[steel stirrup]

ZEHAHAHA

[tranquil blade]

let alone 20 years

[olive sigil]

Is that a question? He obviously destroys katakuri

[frigid gulch]

But anyway

[steel stirrup]

[frigid gulch]

I don’t agree with Loki being weaker than them

Youre just triggered

[urban lodge]

Shanks will be fine and you know it

[leaden rivet]

Loki is at worst admiral level

[steel stirrup]

[steel stirrup]

At worst yes

[urban lodge]

Figarland plot saved him

[sage temple]

How am I triggered I js used a similar example 😭

[steel stirrup]

Bare minimum

[olive sigil]

And at best hajrudin level

[tranquil blade]

He's still gonna die

[steel stirrup]

Now thats just rude

[leaden rivet]

Hajrudin is at best Tobbi roppo level

[olive sigil]

To hajrudin?

[tranquil blade]

Like idc if he has family it's only prolonging the inevitable

[steel stirrup]

To Loki

[frigid gulch]

It sure sounded like it man. The example wasn’t very good with Dragon

[leaden rivet]

Don’t be so sure

[olive sigil]

Back off hajrudin he’s a good lad

[potent pier]

Doubt it. It's way too much of a hassle.

[steel stirrup]

Only reason Loki exist is because the elders used FS and saw Hajrudin struggling against Machvise

"We need another heir!"

[tranquil blade]

I'm almost sure it will still happen

[steel stirrup]

They knew he was trash

[potent pier]

I think the time. When Kuma actually went there was during his revolutionary army days

[sage temple]

The example wasn't very good with Kid and Loki

[frigid gulch]

But it was

Because we know the bounty numbers

[leaden rivet]

With the shamrock and figarland plot line shanks has a lot more to live for. I don’t see him being hype tooled by Blackbeard anymore.

[tranquil blade]

Btw slightly unrelated but saying Dragon will beat Imu might be just as crazy as saying Shanks will kill Blackbeard

[hot cairn]

you just want him to die

[olive sigil]

Literally the heaviest character in all of one piece. Meanwhile Loki can barely stand up. And he has evil eyes

[steel stirrup]

I can

[frigid gulch]

But it’s pointless

[tranquil blade]

I don't want him to die

[frigid gulch]

That was obv a joke

[leaden rivet]

@grand flower defend yourself

[tranquil blade]

Alright now listen I still stand by it

[sage temple]

How dyk Dragon's isn't 0

[frigid gulch]

Shanks wrecks BB but BB cheats

[tranquil blade]

because Luffy HAS to beat both

[hot cairn]

@grand flower

[tranquil blade]

He has to beat both

[dense haven]

shanks is HIM

[hot cairn]

????

[tranquil blade]

It literally has to happen

[leaden rivet]

lol imagine shanks actually kills Blackbeard that would be so funny

[frigid gulch]

Because it wouldn’t make sense brah. He’s widely recognized as the worst criminal in the world

[steel stirrup]

Yes he can barely stand after being chained to a tree for years, and then beaten up by Gunko and stabbed three times by Shamrock

The fact he stood up at all is amazing

[hot cairn]

Luffy is 100% defeating both of them

[steel stirrup]

Cut it out

[stone terrace]

I am a shanks enjoyer

[iron oriole]

Never gonna happen

[stone terrace]

And even i think thats drop worthy

[frigid gulch]

Chopper is viewed as like a pet or whatever in their eyes

[leaden rivet]

I would be more open to dragon beating Imu if he were more prominent throughout the story

[stone terrace]

Legitimately

[tranquil blade]

Yes Dragon has to fight Imu but he does NOT HAVE to beat Imu

[frigid gulch]

Dragon is a serious figure

[steel stirrup]

On my immortal soul

That sounds so trash

[somber flare]

He'll at most be involved in the fight

[hot cairn]

he’ll be in the fight

[tranquil blade]

No amount of "well he's the leader of the revos" is gonna change the fact that he WONT beat Imu

[leaden rivet]

Involved? Not just involved he’s getting hype tooled lol

Dragon will give Imu a chance to show his tricks

[frigid gulch]

BB calls on the spirit of Rocks to fight Shanks

[hot cairn]

Dragon getting hype tooled after so much set up sounds lame lol

but idk

[urban lodge]

You know it's gonna happen

[hot cairn]

maybe he doesn’t fight Imu at all

[stone terrace]

Dragon wont be hypetooled i think

[steel stirrup]

What is

[urban lodge]

He's gonna beat a gorosei and job to Imu

[tranquil blade]

Dragon might admittedly hurt Imu

[leaden rivet]

Getting hype tooled by one of the final villains is an honor. Not a slight.

[stone terrace]

He'll make a good attempt

[tranquil blade]

but he is not winning

[steel stirrup]

Dragon?

[somber flare]

The main goal with Dragon was never to make him this powerful monster

[stone terrace]

Itll be like wyper vs enel

[ashen perch]

Dragon will nearly kill Imu

[somber flare]

Even though I'm sure he will be

[stone terrace]

Thats exactly what dragon is

[urban lodge]

Dragon getting hype tooled by Imu

[stone terrace]

Final saga wyper

[dense haven]

dragon getting mogged by imu would be hilarious Im all for it

[leaden rivet]

Oooook let’s not get ahead of ourselves

[steel stirrup]

Wicked

[hot cairn]

Wyper vs Enel was tough as fuck

if Oda gives Dragon the level of respect he gave to Wyper I’ll be okay with that

[ashen perch]

Law nearly killed Doffy, Wyper nearly killed Enel, thats what Dragon will do

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-funny-ishowspeed-stream-laugh-gif-1421963245027035132

[tranquil blade]

Guys I'm eating a burrito bowl rn it's pretty good

[leaden rivet]

Full body Imu still needs hype

[ashen perch]

Enel/Doffy are the main Imu parallels so trust in that

[hot cairn]

good thing Sharon isnt here to read these messages

[pine scaffold]

Can't beat Xebec. the true HIM!

[leaden rivet]

I ate this burrito from the Mexican place near me and I threw it away halfway through

Im sticking to Taco Bell

Im sorry ancestors

[urban lodge]

God he's so fucking ugly

[tranquil blade]

I'm gonna be honest I'm not ready for the discussion again

I've already done this once

[steel stirrup]

I dont think Dragon will job to Imu

I also don't think Dragon is gonna almost kill Imu😭

I dont even think they're gonna fight tbh

[olive sigil]

Hajrudin has been chained by discrimination all his life and beaten multiple times and he still stands. He was able to recover from losing to Luffy and beating machvise on that same day. If that’s not amazing, I don’t know what is. Gunko beat a bunch of strawhats and then chained them and they’re all conscious

[hot cairn]

how is that a crazy thing to say

[leaden rivet]

Only once? Rookie numbers

[dense haven]

its a matter of expectations proportional to each character

[frigid gulch]

That nose is ludicrous

[hot cairn]

Dragon not fighting Imu is impossible

[frigid gulch]

[steel stirrup]

"Chained by discrimination" is where I stopped reading

You got it fam

[tranquil blade]

Look Dragon can push Imu as far as he wants, he just can't beat Imu

[olive sigil]

Stop being racist towards hajrudin and I’ll stop

[pine scaffold]

Dont diss him

[hot cairn]

wdym

[steel stirrup]

Discrimination huh

[tranquil blade]

That's the only stipulation I have

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think dragon will get like no diffed but he will get low diffed

[steel stirrup]

😭

[sage temple]

Not his best angle

[stone terrace]

A burrito sounds good but i have to eat this leftover food or ill feel guilty

[somber flare]

There's a middle ground between jobbing to him and almost killing him

[urban lodge]

This is gonna sound bad but Dragon is just not important enough to do that

[tranquil blade]

Low diffed is kinda crazy

[frigid gulch]

https://x.com/tk1129dane27/status/1979212287404839344

てぃーけー☀️ (@tk1129dane27)

X · Oct 17, 2025, 3:45 PM

[leaden rivet]

I feel like it’ll kinda be like Luffy G2 vs Blueno

[hot cairn]

rookie numbers, I debate with Sharon about this almost weekly

[urban lodge]

I don't mean he's NOT important don't get me wrong

[frigid gulch]

This is pretty good too

[somber flare]

It doesn't even matter

[steel stirrup]

Holy shit bruh

Chill

[pine scaffold]

Apology accepted

[steel stirrup]

Slow down there

[leaden rivet]

Like Imu will show out all his tricks and shit

[ashen perch]

just so so wrong

[leaden rivet]

And then dragon falls and Luffy comes and saves the day

[dense haven]

dragon being joyboy level is most ridiculous thing ever and people wonder why we clown on dragonbros

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-tweaking-im-done-this-fucking-guy-enxliv-gif-9697787287192308241

[hot cairn]

Even with the take of “Luffy won’t care about his destiny” itll still happen

[tranquil blade]

Look Dragon is very very important

[hot cairn]

mid diff

[steel stirrup]

I dont like ts at all

[leaden rivet]

Dragon is not who you guys think he is I promise

[sage temple]

Dragon glaze is so unnecessary

[somber flare]

There will be a Luffy G2 vs Blueno in the final war but it won't be that fight

[sage temple]

All he's good for is the inherited will theories

[urban lodge]

There are just levels of importance

[sage temple]

Other than that he can die lowk

[tranquil blade]

I just don't think he can beat a potential final villain

[urban lodge]

And Imu is a few levels above

[steel stirrup]

Holy shit

[hot cairn]

that sounds extremely bad, how is Dragon not important enough

[ashen perch]

Imu v Dragon will go extreme diff

[tranquil blade]

Now look BLACKBEARD COULD beat and kill Imu

[stone terrace]

Dragon defeats garling and goes to get mid diffed by imu

[leaden rivet]

ZKK

[stone terrace]

Fair?

[leaden rivet]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

That is possible

but

Dragon?

It's not gonna happen

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/j-jbtzxclsv-lol-jbtzxclsv-laugh-jbtzxclsv-ctha-god-lol-donnell-rawlins-gif-14310738

[dense haven]

garling is a jobber so that's fine

[urban lodge]

He can be like the Zoro to Imu's Kaido, he does one mildly impressive thing and then he jobs

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOOO

[leaden rivet]

Dragón Slams Garling to build dragon hype which will be converted to Imu hype when Imu low diffs dragon

[pine scaffold]

Dragon fans are so annoying

We finally see him in GV, and all they want is more from him

''He'll show COC haki like Luffy did''
''He will eat a fruit!''

All he did was lose to Maffey and drop a baby on its head

[sage temple]

Singlehandedly fight Imu and win 😭

https://tenor.com/view/lying-wong-gif-7845920779899236663

[urban lodge]

But he's NOT the Wyper to Imu's Enel

[steel stirrup]

Sb please stop

[tranquil blade]

Chat can we compromize

[hot cairn]

what?

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-18320655203885529395

[somber flare]

His importance or screen time until now means nothing until he's actively involved in the current arc

[leaden rivet]

SB is fighting ghosts

[ashen perch]

underestimate Luffy's father at your own peril

[somber flare]

There is no way to gauge that right now

[urban lodge]

I think Dragon will be plenty impressive... against a gorosei

[tranquil blade]

Okay Arsal does prime Garp push Imu to extreme diff

[leaden rivet]

Zoro kills Kaido

[ashen perch]

Dragon is stronger than Prime Garp

[hot cairn]

Dragon is important enough tho, we just haven’t explored his character yet

[tranquil blade]

Well the gorosei are shit so that's not impressive

[steel stirrup]

Why is everyone so sure that they will even fight? I haven't seen any setup for that imo unless I didnt catch something

[tranquil blade]

Hmmmmm

[pine scaffold]

We will never forgive what Dragon did!

[stone terrace]

Current dragon is = shanks

[hot cairn]

the fact that Oda has been saving him for so long should tell us how important he is

[leaden rivet]

Which one of you said that Imu was like stronger than all 4 yonko combined, was that you Arsal?

[ashen perch]

low

[hot cairn]

get in here @grand flower

[hot cairn]

BRUH

penny cmon

[somber flare]

I wouldn't say that

[steel stirrup]

Omfg

[dense haven]

by lthat logic his grandfather should be even stronger

[somber flare]

But he's probably a league above

[hot cairn]

I’m not saying that

[stone terrace]

Its an honor to be compared to wyper

[ashen perch]

head of Revos v head of the WG they are trying to take down???

[stone terrace]

Some of yall greedy asf

Big fat greedy pigs

[steel stirrup]

But Imu is Joyboys fight

Not Dragons

[tranquil blade]

So long as Luffy gets to fight Imu and land the final hit I don't care what Dragon does

[ashen perch]

no, the end of series ranking is Luffy>Dragon>Garp

[leaden rivet]

Lmao it was Avery actually not Arsal

[sage temple]

Dragon is in no world pushing Imu by himself just because he's important

[leaden rivet]

That’s so funny

[somber flare]

It'll most likely be the case that not only joyboy will fight him

[iron oriole]

Ngl i think Dragon doesn't make it to Imu & then he leaves it up to Luffy to finish

[hot cairn]

imagine thinking the MC’s father is not important enough

[tranquil blade]

ME????

[dense haven]

are we really comparing the most important revo to an arc side charater

[tranquil blade]

When did I say that??

[leaden rivet]

🫵

[stone terrace]

Never underestimate EOS powercreep

[dense haven]

the bar is truly in hell

[stone terrace]

I was a sweet summer child myself once

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah that's not even unlikely

[tranquil blade]

Wait a minute I didn't say that

[ashen perch]

I said that Imu is stronger than 4 emperors too actually, but final form Imu, when he gets his powers back from the Gorosei and HKs

[hot cairn]

what does that have to do with what we’re talking

[ashen perch]

he isnt there yet

[steel stirrup]

I didnt say he isn't important i just dont see why Imu is a fight he should have when Imu is Joyboy/Nika/Luffys fight

[leaden rivet]

!

[urban lodge]

Muk doubted that Imu could be stronger than Roger + Whitebeard together and here we are with him about to solo Rocks, Wb and Kaido

[steel stirrup]

Solo huh

[ashen perch]

and look, its not just me saying it, Oda is about to do something ridiculous with Imu in GV already lol

[urban lodge]

Yes

[wraith mantle]

imu solos rocks?

[tranquil blade]

Oh...

[wraith mantle]

please

[tranquil blade]

Oh I did say that...

[steel stirrup]

Nah Garling is still out there

Ain't no solo

[blazing depot]

pause

[tranquil blade]

Well now I have to defend it

[iron oriole]

Garling is busy lying on the floor

[frigid gulch]

Just wait until the Rocks glaze

[sweet anvil]

Hack

[dense haven]

imu was joyboy level and we know how strong joyboy is just from his haki

[tranquil blade]

Okay yes Imu is stronger than the 4 emperors

[urban lodge]

I think we know by now Garling is not really making a difference here

[dense haven]

dragon is not joyboy level

[steel stirrup]

If you think he isn't planning on holding a hostage or sneaking someone like a hoe you are smoking dick

[sweet anvil]

Wait I thought everyone knew imu would be that strong

[ashen perch]

He's about to fight Rocks, Roger, probably Garp, Kaido, WB, probably BM, in a form that is likely far from his strongest

[dense haven]

dragon was tweaking over garling

[ashen perch]

saying Imu at his best > 4 emperors is not a crazy take

[wraith mantle]

eiither garling or gunko are going to capture eris and fuck with rocks like what happened with oden and momo

[vital heart]

Oda unironically wrote himself into a corner. Power creeped Imu too hard. Unfortunate that the final war will flop now

[urban lodge]

Not for the second time in the same arc

[steel stirrup]

Either that or hes gonna sneak someone

[hot cairn]

what Arsal said, head of the Rev Army vs the head of the WG

[urban lodge]

That would suck

[sweet anvil]

It’s been pretty obvious imu would be allat considering how underwhelming the gorosei and HK are without the use of imus powers

[tranquil blade]

The take is a little hard to believe admittedly

[stone terrace]

https://preview.redd.it/my-last-and-detailed-analysis-of-elbafs-ancient-mural-v0-ozreuj4bjmle1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=8637f1813ba8c39dc8a675ab48cc6942513fb9e9

[steel stirrup]

Why would Oda put Dragon in a fight he is clearly going to lose

[urban lodge]

It's not really

[wraith mantle]

i can see garling sneaking rocks true

[tranquil blade]

but I also literally said the take too so

[ashen perch]

just false lol, it will be fine, its Imu, he is gonna fight everybody.

[hot cairn]

I’m sure he won’t complain about that

[tranquil blade]

Idk what to say

[iron oriole]

He needs to get up first, the only major hostage that would stop Rocks would be Eris/Teach & they're seemingly escaping... a sneak maybe but is that really anything special? Just another + to the fraud list

[urban lodge]

He would, he said it would be too much

[somber flare]

There were only 2 options and he's obviously as we know final boss level

[steel stirrup]

I dont think Oda would do Dragon like that hes been saving him all this time just to have him get low diffed by Imu?

I can't see that happening but I've been surprised before

[sweet anvil]

They’ve had so much time to escape idk how he would catch them lmao unless Gunko alr got them

[leaden rivet]

I mean, I guess it’s possible if we acknowledge that Luffy will not take down Imu alone

[stone terrace]

Its ok to get low diffed if dragon looks impressive before

[leaden rivet]

Like Imu might just be getting jumped

[stone terrace]

Whats really bad is to have no real Ws then get low diffed

[somber flare]

But Dragon's build up has nothing to do with his physical strength

[sweet anvil]

Easy solution have dragon absolutely violate garling and/or another gorosei

[urban lodge]

Yeah exactly, Dragon will low diff a gorosei himself

[tranquil blade]

Illya I'm kinda mad you clocked me like that

[urban lodge]

It's fine if he jobs

[iron oriole]

Yeah Gunko catching them is the only thing i can see happening but even that i doubt

[tranquil blade]

I don't even remember saying that

[steel stirrup]

All I know is last we saw of bitch ass nigga he was on the ground but he still gets his "Champion of GV" title

So he definitely not done.

[leaden rivet]

lol I thought Arsal said it at first because it sounded like something he’d say

[sweet anvil]

When dragon violates garling and garling goes 0-2 the slander will be unmatched

[ashen perch]

I did say it too illya

[hot cairn]

why would Oda put the samurai in a fight they’re clearly going to lose, why would Oda put Wyper in a fight hes clearly going to lose, why would Oda put Law in a fight hes clearly going to lose

[steel stirrup]

I can see that happening but why have him go against the god when hes been building another god this whole time for that reason

[stone terrace]

Garling is getting a w inbetween

[iron oriole]

Just like Garp got the "Hero of the Navy/GV" title, it means nothing...

[somber flare]

Nah Garling is done

[stone terrace]

Relax

[dense haven]

if his only W is against gargling it's not worth much

[steel stirrup]

Cause them niggas are trash

[sweet anvil]

Against fodder

[hot cairn]

oh

[somber flare]

I think we're past the point of slaves and all that mattering

[leaden rivet]

Yeah Avery this is wild

[somber flare]

It'll be the fight and then the flashback ends

[tranquil blade]

Didn't you get that take from me

[ashen perch]

no smh

[stone terrace]

I am here to push my agenda

[steel stirrup]

They lost because they weren't as good as they thought they were

Dragon is not that stupid

[ashen perch]

I stand by it, I think Imu is going to have a final form where he will get back all the powers he has lent out to others and thats going to be powerful enough to beat more than even 4 emperors together

[hot cairn]

BB or Imu?

[somber flare]

Imu

[sweet anvil]

I mean it would be interesting to see considering dragons whole goal is to take down the wg I feel like he should at least get a faceoff / clash with imu

[tranquil blade]

Sigh

[sweet anvil]

Maybe not lose but Luffy will take over

[sage temple]

Infant Loki level

[urban lodge]

Avery will be proven right soon

[steel stirrup]

He didn't even want to make a move until the regen merchants made a move which means hes smarter than to fight the immortal by himself and get low diffed

[wraith mantle]

it would explain why roger laughed

[tranquil blade]

I don't even know if I still agree with that

[dense haven]

garling is like the second weakest char in the spread

[somber flare]

Garling and the rest of the god's knights are bums bro give it up

[ashen perch]

look, its God Valley and this is a different time period for the Emperors, they are weaker and all that but like

Imu fighting them all right now is still gonna be insane

[steel stirrup]

Them niggas are toast

[sweet anvil]

Buggy Koby then sabo then garling imo

[iron oriole]

I can see something like

Dragon fights & beats Garling > other Gorosei members show up > he puts on a good showing vs remaining 4 > Imu takes over because its taking too long to deal with him > low diffs Dragon > Dragon trusts Luffy to finish the rest

[sweet anvil]

Agreed

[ashen perch]

Yea the emperors are weaker, but so is Imu, he is in this Saturn form that is absolutely far from his strongest self lol

[sage temple]

Garling needs that Yokai stimulus immediately 😭

[tranquil blade]

If Imu fights off Xebec Whitebeard and Kaido, if he also fights off Roger and Garp too I'll really be impressed

[steel stirrup]

This about to be their Sabaody

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-22055472

[tranquil blade]

It was a pretty ass first showing from Shanks' literal father

That's being the father of Alexander the Great like you should be fairly goated yourself

[sage temple]

What if Shanks got the power from his moms side and not his dad

😭

[sweet anvil]

Everyone gonna get cooked by imu then rocks gonna be the last person standing he’ll have like a couple good shots but ultimately die

[steel stirrup]

3 future Yonkos

About to get no diffed by a spider with a virus worm sticking out its head

[sweet anvil]

I’m saying it here

[tranquil blade]

[sage temple]

Lowk could be true

[sweet anvil]

Not no diffed

[hot cairn]

is Imu even close to them?

[ashen perch]

Kaido might get no diffed atleast

[sweet anvil]

Webec is there so it won’t be a no diff

[steel stirrup]

What u think low to mid

[somber flare]

Shanks got his power from himself

[wraith mantle]

kaido really has a big ego for someone who got low diffed by imu

[steel stirrup]

You right

[tranquil blade]

Shiki vs Demon Kyo next chapter

[ashen perch]

hes in front of them yea

[somber flare]

He's already leagues above any of his family members

[steel stirrup]

Kaido is only 21 he is definitely about to get his ass beat

[iron oriole]

Big ego for someone who got fucked by a boot too

[stone terrace]

Yeah kaido is getting hype tooled

[tranquil blade]

Kaido is about to get done like Jack on the rooftop

[stone terrace]

Imu might do him so nasty

[steel stirrup]

And he just ate the fruit you know he has zero mastery of it

Yea Kaido about to get handled

[tranquil blade]

He's so cooked

[wraith mantle]

now we know why this nigga never tried to crash out in the holy land

[ashen perch]

when Kaido hits a Boro Breath that does fuck all against Imu as he literally gobbles it up, he is gonna HATE his DF

[sweet anvil]

Kaido dies to a blink then Roger rocks and wb maybe possibly garp fight imu all at once eventually they fall one by one until just rocks and imu rocks does somewhat decent but ultimately dies because there’s no way to beat imu

[hot cairn]

oh shit wtf

I didn’t notice that

[steel stirrup]

Thats where it all begins

[sweet anvil]

This is my prediction

[hot cairn]

I thought Imu was far away from them

[steel stirrup]

Not dies but ik what u mean

[wraith mantle]

live kaido reaction fr

[steel stirrup]

Kaido is definitely about to get jobbed out

[tranquil blade]

Whitebeard askes Xebec what it's supposed to be, referring to the monster form Imu is turning into

[wraith mantle]

job valley

[sweet anvil]

Considering imu probably has even better regen idk how they’re even meant to be beat

[hot cairn]

ohh

[steel stirrup]

Thats the neat part

They aren't

[blazing depot]

Whose agenda dies next chapter

[stone terrace]

I dont think kaido has acoc yet so hes useless here

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[blazing depot]

This flashback is an agenda grim reaper

[sweet anvil]

Roger’s / garps

[steel stirrup]

And i love every second of it

[hot cairn]

good

[urban lodge]

Please Oda don't use Kaido inevitably jobbing as a cop out for him not witnessing Rocks' death

[sweet anvil]

The only agenda safe is imus

[urban lodge]

He NEEDS to see it

[sweet anvil]

But that’s not even an agenda

[tranquil blade]

I think Imu will get damaged here at least

[ashen perch]

Sabo's flames were nothing, Boro Breath is getting eaten up too

[iron oriole]

Imu is in the middle of the canyon but Rocks etc aren't too far away & can see Imu being a wacky inflatable tube man

[wraith mantle]

imu ate that like a snack

damn

[ashen perch]

I think Roger and Rocks are gonna land some heavy heavy shots at Imu for sure

[steel stirrup]

Imu gon treat Boro Blast like a 5 star meal

[tranquil blade]

Imu will probably realize he's actually taken damage after turning Xebec into a demonic follower and dip

[hot cairn]

is Oda really about to use Rocks, Kaido and Whitebeard as Imu hype tools??????

[tranquil blade]

and then Roger and Garp have to beat Xebec

[sage temple]

Basically just bandwagoning since yk the strongest person in multiple centuries hasn't lost at all so far

[icy wolf]

wimu sama was holding back at gv

[wraith mantle]

he used big mom as a garp hypetool

[steel stirrup]

You think Roger is gonna hop in fr?

[ashen perch]

might even force him to go back to Marie Geoise

[wraith mantle]

oda doesn't give two fucks about powerscaling

[calm goblet]

why Imu not have observation haki? is he like shanks at the east blue?

[sage temple]

Xebec's agenda lowk wins from that

[ashen perch]

yeah for sure

[steel stirrup]

Why

[sweet anvil]

All these Roger fans saying just wait until god valley ends when god valley ends and the only thing Roger has done is get violated by imu

[ashen perch]

its possible to extinguish your presence lol

[icy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-crying-tears-silvers-rayleigh-gif-16468393557576367724

[wraith mantle]

bro i just cant imagine how we go from rocks/WB/kaido vs imu to Garp/Roger vs Rocks

[steel stirrup]

I would love to see that but what reason would Roger have

They already have what they came for

[urban lodge]

It's never on all the time, unless you're Aisa or Enel but sky people are just built different

[ashen perch]

I mean look at how how curious he was about Imu, his adventure senses are tingling

[wraith mantle]

sengoku must have lied

[sage temple]

I guess bro just say everyone gets bitched by Imu

😭

[icy wolf]

the plot couldnt have sabo die at this point

[steel stirrup]

Yea but they're here for Shakky and they have her

You think hes that stupid?

[ashen perch]

Roger is a straightforward guy, he's sensing a mysterious powerful guy, he is gonna go head straight into the place where he is

[icy wolf]

observation haki only works when the plot needs it to

[somber flare]

We get that if Imu possesses Rocks

[steel stirrup]

Nvm

He is that stupid

[ashen perch]

straightforward but yes

[tranquil blade]

So yeah I think Imu will cause some chaos, get damaged, domi reversi Xebec and then leave

[sweet anvil]

And get fodderised 😭✌️

[steel stirrup]

Straightforward and stupid

Hes definitely gonna swing on Imu

Holy hype

[iron oriole]

Roger 100% about to dive in on Imu too

[somber flare]

Yeah I thinks more likley we see more of Imu possessed Rocks than Imu himself fighting

[iron oriole]

Look at that face

[calm goblet]

yup, and roger and garp will tag team his ass

[ashen perch]

its fine, you guys will be forced to grow up within the next 4 weeks

[steel stirrup]

Oh yea bro bouta crash out

[ashen perch]

we will move past this soon enough, this evil shall fall too

[somber flare]

It might be too early to see Imu himself get into a full on fight with all those guys at once

[steel stirrup]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

ROGER VS IMUUUU

[hot cairn]

there’s just no way we actually see that fight

[steel stirrup]

He gon get knocked aside but Im still hype

[sage temple]

If current Loki was here Imu woulda died

[steel stirrup]

Never enough Roger

[ashen perch]

yea everyone there is fighting Imu, even Garp might unknowingly end up fighting Imu too lol, thats gonna be interesting to see

[steel stirrup]

I need more Roger tbh

[sweet anvil]

All jokes aside imu will cook everyone

1 sided

[iron oriole]

The "Wait Rocks!!!" moment is gonna be because Rocks is taking too much of the fighting for himself

[urban lodge]

They don't even know what the hell Imu is except for Rocks, I could see Garp joining in yeah

[wraith mantle]

i hope rocks doesn't get domi reversi'd

[steel stirrup]

Bro chill Arsal thats too much sauce im bouta overdose

https://tenor.com/view/faints-fresh-prince-fell-down-falling-down-fall-gif-17320032

[ashen perch]

Imu is not gonna be invincible lets relax, he is gonna take heavy hits

[tranquil blade]

If demon Xebec fights Roger and Garp we're gonna have people trying to calculate the demon boost to see if Xebec is goated or not

[hot cairn]

dw Oda aint about to show it

[urban lodge]

Final nail in the Rocks being a bad character coffin

[steel stirrup]

Hes already goated to me family

[sweet anvil]

Rocks and bad character 💔

[steel stirrup]

I hope one day you learn to change

[wraith mantle]

rare instance where i agree with penny

[ashen perch]

like no, its not gonna be 1 sided lol, this isnt even his final form, far from it

[tranquil blade]

People are gonna say Xebec was the strongest person besides Imu there even without the demon buff

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know why people hate domi reversi’ rocks

[tranquil blade]

or they'll say Xebec was a fraud without the boost

[urban lodge]

It's just so boring

[ashen perch]

its actually gonna be all of the Rocks Pirates getting Domi'd

[steel stirrup]

Other than Imu and possibly Garp who on GV is stronger than Rocks rn?

Honest question

[iron oriole]

The main issue is the whole "why didn't Imu just do it in the flower room"

[somber flare]

I don't see how

[wraith mantle]

top 3 of all time: joyboy, imu, demon rocks

[sweet anvil]

Garp ?

[tranquil blade]

Idk Roger maybe

[somber flare]

I'm pretty sure that's why we got the whole "Roger and Garp vs Rocks" thing in the first place

[leaden rivet]

I feel like rocks will lose his will when Eris gets merked and Imu will take the chance

[iron oriole]

We know Eris lives

[steel stirrup]

Yes... Garp

[stone terrace]

The idea of garp fighting against imu but still being a marine doesnt make any sense

Thats why

[ashen perch]

Roger, Rocks and Garp are on the same level

[steel stirrup]

Maybe

[fallen meteor]

theres a reason the pushed story is roger and garp vs rocks

[wraith mantle]

i hate domi reversi because we don't know how it works yet so it will just feel like ?? ok i guess

[fallen meteor]

and not like roger garp kaido and wb vs rocks

[steel stirrup]

Oda has definitely done everything in his power to show that

[iron oriole]

We know Eris doesn't die until post GV, they escape

[leaden rivet]

Do we? I don’t remember

[urban lodge]

We don't know that

[sweet anvil]

I’ve got rocks slightly above the pair of them

[latent hamlet]

I can only assume garp stays to try and influence future generations while hoping some1 takes down Imu

[ashen perch]

well thats just based on vibes and not the portrayal tho

[ornate tartan]

Kuma will save teach and send him somewhere, might send Eris away too

[latent hamlet]

But it could be a matter of "i didnt think far enough"

[sage temple]

Rocks is definitely stronger than both of them

[sweet anvil]

Also portrayal

[wraith mantle]

eris will not die in GV because she said she would kill herself and fatbeard if it came to it

[steel stirrup]

I do too slightly but because hes older and should be more experienced than the both of them

Isn't he?

[ornate tartan]

nothing in the entire series portrayed rocks over roger or garp as an individual power wise

[steel stirrup]

I thought Rocks was a little older than Roger

[sweet anvil]

We don’t know his age but I assume so

[steel stirrup]

He seems to be

[sweet anvil]

At the time of god valley yes

[sage temple]

Do we know how old he is

[somber flare]

He looks older than Roger at least

[ashen perch]

we have no clue

[somber flare]

I always assumed he was

[sage temple]

So we're js guessing

😭

[iron oriole]

Well we know Blackbeard was orphaned & had to grow up by himself but also... a 2yo can't exactly do that so logic says Eris makes it out & dies later

[tranquil blade]

He was probably at least 40 during god valley

[steel stirrup]

Hasn't been stated as far as i know but him having a wife and child is the ting that makes me believe hes a bit older

But idk for sure

[tranquil blade]

but he could've been as old as 50 too

[urban lodge]

It would be yet another instance of Oda not having the balls to have him do something bad, of ACTUAL Xebec doing something that warrants Garp and Roger having to team up against him

[steel stirrup]

He definitely carries himself with more maturity than Roger

[leaden rivet]

Someone else could just get him

[urban lodge]

It's as stupid as him robbing that corrupt charity

[fallen meteor]

he's so good he his only flaw is getting too sad when his wife dies

[tranquil blade]

The thing is he hasn't visibly aged at all since the holy land incident

[wraith mantle]

the man marked by the flames is the one who raised fatbeard

[sweet anvil]

Roger didn’t clash with wb without touching blades rocks and harald did , it’s clear rocks is superior to Roger strength wise

[steel stirrup]

Penny

[somber flare]

But there is no other reason why he would do that

[sweet anvil]

Idek why this is still an argument

[sage temple]

The goat

[ornate tartan]

i’ve tried to explain this many times
Age has NOTHING to do with power

the way your power grows especially Haki in One Piece is through the heat of battle, which is why Luffy will be PK level at such a young age he’s always in extreme diff fights

These ppl yall talking about 40 years old if you insisting that anything that has to do with them not being in their prime is their age then that’s crazy. Since when is being 39 young?😂😂

[ashen perch]

I will say though penny

[somber flare]

I don't know how the domi reversi would change anything if you already dont like the character

[ashen perch]

if Oda portrays Domi'd Rocks killing people as like, uncharacteristic of him, I am gonna start believing the unreliable narrator theory atp

[steel stirrup]

Ain't no "prime" imo

[proud pivot]

W toei

[ashen perch]

because it really gets to a point lol

[urban lodge]

Oh man...

[iron oriole]

I mean sure... but if Eris gets captured/murked then BB would logically get captured/murked too since she's carrying him... & its not like she'd pass him off to someone else... she literally said if it looks like they'll get her & BB, she'll kill him & herself

[sweet anvil]

It’s pretty simple as to why rocks > Roger

[steel stirrup]

Oh is that the problem

The narrator might be capping

[wraith mantle]

niggas just want rocks to be another kaido

[tranquil blade]

What if Xebec is just a good guy tho

[steel stirrup]

There's no way thats the issue

Penny is a zealot with the Rocks hate it gotta be deeper

[fallen meteor]

ok i dont understand this messge
didnt rocks and wb do exactly what you said they didnt? they clashed without touching blades??

[sage temple]

Have we seen Rocks kill anyone innocent at a moment's whim

[tranquil blade]

It would be kinda ass but what if he was

[somber flare]

Well we know that characters got stronger since god valley

[steel stirrup]

It has to go deeper than than an unreliable narrator

[ornate tartan]

Your power grows the more u are in extreme diff fights and push yourself

not because u got older😂😂

[sweet anvil]

At god valley when they clash their blades are touching and the argument is about Roger at GV

[sage temple]

We js assume Rocks killed innocents

[tranquil blade]

Well he did wipe out 5 towns and a kingdom

and like 30 ports

[sweet anvil]

Roger did as well iirc

[sage temple]

How do you know those 5 towns and a kingdom and 30 ports aren't evil

[sweet anvil]

None are good

[somber flare]

Whitebeard ends up getting the reputation of world's strongest man some time after this and before Roger's death

[fallen meteor]

oh you meant at god valley
yeah for sure what people think is that roger isnt at his peak there

[urban lodge]

He endangered the slaves because EVIL MEAN Imu made him into a demon

[stone terrace]

I wonder what shanks' numbers look like

[steel stirrup]

Him being a little evil isn't good enough for you?

[stone terrace]

Because i assure you they arent low lol

[steel stirrup]

He needs to be either all evil or all good

No morally grey?

Just evil or good

[ornate tartan]

that’s boring, unless it’s done right

[sage temple]

If you can't confirm the places he wiped out were innocent then I'm going to assume they were evil

[tranquil blade]

We dont know but I not would assume that every single person in all of those towns and that kingdom were evil

[sage temple]

My goat does no wrong

[frigid gulch]

Still crazy

[sage temple]

I would

[steel stirrup]

I'm tryna get to the bottom of why Penny hates Rocks so much

[wraith mantle]

hathor

[steel stirrup]

Oh is this the issue?

[wraith mantle]

hathor is why

[urban lodge]

I have explained many times already

[sweet anvil]

Wants to be different

[urban lodge]

Hathor is irrelevant

He's just loud

[sweet anvil]

More like everyone likes rocks maybe I’m not too sure

[ornate tartan]

yeah penny doesn’t ike rocks at all😂 but that’s subjective

[sage temple]

So you're saying you would ASSUME that there were innocent people in those towns and the kingdom

[frigid gulch]

And then.. 💥

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[sweet anvil]

This is the proof of rocks > Roger at GV

[sage temple]

Tsk tsk tsk

Assumptions assumptions

Very bad for the mind

[ashen perch]

The unreliable narrator theory is basically that everything we're seeing right now is his life being presented through some rose tinted glasses, designed to portray him as the legendary, positive figure that he is from Loki's perspective. This does not mean that Loki is out there explaining GV to Luffy and the others, but it is still from within his POV.

[sage temple]

Very irreliable as well

[steel stirrup]

Okay that is a little annoying ngl

[somber flare]

It just comes down to wanting him to be evil and how in reality he isn't that evil

[frigid gulch]

Rocks.. the first man to kill an admiral

[ornate tartan]

and certainly not the last

kuzan isn’t surviving to the end of the story

maybe akainu too

[fallen meteor]

i'm low key hoping for this and we get another flashback and rocks is like
way thinner and balding

[tranquil blade]

I wish Oda would use the unreliable narrator thing at least once in the story

[sweet anvil]

None of the old gen’s were good people bro

[steel stirrup]

Oh yea I heard that theory

Loki probably would glaze Rocks and slander Roger

You'd think Gaban wouldn't let him do that tho

[frigid gulch]

Well hopefully Kuzan isn’t offscreened

[tranquil blade]

but idk

[frigid gulch]

[wraith mantle]

wg propaganda is very effective

[somber flare]

Nah they'll probably be fine

Maybe Akainu dies but that's it

[ashen perch]

would be fun

[hot cairn]

what if, hear me out, Rocks isnt evil

[sage temple]

The narrator doesn't talk about the specifics about the places Rocks wiped out so unless something proves otherwise all the things Rocks did were for the greater good

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[ashen perch]

yeah, the idea is that he isnt actually saying this out there in real life lol, but the flashback within the flashback is still part of "his narrative"

[tranquil blade]

It could absolutely be a good twist on things but idk when it could be used without feeling forced or random

[ornate tartan]

these next 2 chapters will determine whether Luffy and Loki powercliff Rocks and Harald after Elbaph or not

[sweet anvil]

Everyone from the old gen apart from wb and garp are somewhat evil

[steel stirrup]

Either that or Rocks wasnt evil

And BB being evil is another showing of the WG creating their own problems

[iron oriole]

People already refuse to believe Oda's words in the manga... if he did this it would be chaos

[sage temple]

The community is too blind to see that

[ornate tartan]

using Imu as measuring stick

[sweet anvil]

Saturn imu > Gunko imu

Trust

[steel stirrup]

To show how he could've just been a goat running around off screening people but all the evil he has done is because the trauma

Another point to show that the WG create their own demons

[sage temple]

So Rocks was the single least evil person in One Piece basically

[tranquil blade]

tbf it really depends on if Loki killed Harald himself

[iron oriole]

He doesn't deny killing him

[tranquil blade]

Like did he overpower Harald and kill him? because if so then honestly Xebec is washed

[iron oriole]

He just denies doing it in cold blood

[sage temple]

Loki upscale

[steel stirrup]

I feel like Oda wouldn't have missed the chance to have that be the case for a second and then have Gaban interject and correct him for comedy

[ornate tartan]

maybe he didn’t but from his wording when talking to hadjrudin I think he actually did, but not with evil intent

[sweet anvil]

Don’t do this to my favourite agenda 💔

[ashen perch]

I mean I think Rocks is probably just not evil but it would start to get ridiculous if his only real known crimes like indiscriminately killing civilians and slaves in GV were also just blamed on Domi Reversi, and in a way that makes it seem like he wouldnt normally do that

just saying that it gets to a point.........

[urban lodge]

That's such a cop out

Genuinely cowardly writing

[tranquil blade]

The whole new era would have several people stronger than Xebec, the emperors would've all already surpassed Xebec

[sweet anvil]

When is it said he killed civilians on GV I forgot

[frigid gulch]

I imagine Harald let him do it

[sage temple]

This would've likely been a Harald of amplified power with Imu being involved

Meaning an even bigger upscale

[ashen perch]

slaves/civilians, same thing lol

[sage temple]

At the same time Loki would've stabbed Jarul so basically a 2v1

[sweet anvil]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[frigid gulch]

Harald for example resisting Reversi

[fallen meteor]

[sweet anvil]

When did it say he killed them I must’ve misead itv

[pine scaffold]

Harald allowed Loki to do it somehow

[ashen perch]

the civilians of GV became the slaves in this death game

smh I didnt mean it that way

[steel stirrup]

I personally would be okay with it because it would show that not only does the WG spread lies

But it shows that BB could've been different but all the evil he has done is because of the things he went thru as a child which would be another showing of how the WG makes their own problems

[frigid gulch]

He controlled his demon form

[sage temple]

If Harald let him do it explain the damage to the castle

[frigid gulch]

[sage temple]

[tranquil blade]

Alright Aramaki, I see how it is

[frigid gulch]

Well I’m not saying Harald immediately got it together

[steel stirrup]

Thats crazy

[frigid gulch]

He was going berserk

[pine scaffold]

If Xebec controls his demon form, Harald should be able to do it too right?

[sage temple]

Still, very very unlikely bro

[frigid gulch]

Until he restrained himself

[iron oriole]

Harald thrashing around in a rage, trying to control the domi reversi while begging Loki to kill him

[ashen perch]

well Sengoku mentioned that Roger and Garp teamed against him to save the lives of the slaves and the Celestial Dragons

[frigid gulch]

Tryna use my line

Cmon

It’s not unlikely

[sweet anvil]

Bro I thought you were talking about a reliable source

[steel stirrup]

You got a line?

[sweet anvil]

Are we STILL believing sengoku

[ashen perch]

yea yea, Sengoku is unreliable but he was talking to Garp just now lol, he is aware of the happenings in GV

[urban lodge]

Yes

[pine scaffold]

Loki isnt on the level of Roger, Rocks and Garp

[steel stirrup]

Not in this house

[sage temple]

No I'm just petty

[fallen meteor]

isnt it interesting that we know for sure that whitebeard and kaido were there too from the last chapter but JUST roger and garp got on the official news?
why?

[frigid gulch]

I told him earlier it was “very very unlikely”

[urban lodge]

Everything Sengoku has said is still technically true

[steel stirrup]

[urban lodge]

It is

[sage temple]

He lowk is bro

[sweet anvil]

It’s not true and not false the way I see it

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[tranquil blade]

Big ass asterisk

[sweet anvil]

Just a lot of doubt on it rn

[urban lodge]

I mean yeah

[ashen perch]

its mentioned that Garp and Roger broke apart the Rocks Pirates so tbh, they are just considered part of the collective group

[sage temple]

And if Loki isn't on that level now he'll DEFINITELY be on that level in his prime

[tranquil blade]

Like I guess

[steel stirrup]

Penny come on now

[sage temple]

Loki has a century until his prime

[urban lodge]

But he hasn't lied about anything, at least not yet

[steel stirrup]

😭

I give up

[ashen perch]

Penny is right

[pine scaffold]

in his prime I'm fine with

but not now

[urban lodge]

Rich are you going to intentionally misinterpret what I'm saying again?

[frigid gulch]

Loki currently is possibly not on Harald’s level and you’re talking about 14 years ago him taking down Demon Harald. Let’s be serious

[sweet anvil]

But IF what sengoku said is true then the reason would be because of a domi reversi

[steel stirrup]

Its never intentional

[iron oriole]

Tbf everything Sengoku said is true until we see otherwise

[sweet anvil]

There is no good reason for rocks vs Roger and garp to happen

[steel stirrup]

I read what you send

[sage temple]

You're talking about Imu's spell just not working on Harald because he's him

Lets be serious

[ashen perch]

for now yea, we will see

[urban lodge]

What I said is objectively true as of right now

[frigid gulch]

But I never said that

[sweet anvil]

Agenda has gone too far

[frigid gulch]

I said it’d work

[urban lodge]

Could that change? Sure

[frigid gulch]

But he can still muster willpower

[sage temple]

Yeah that makes no sense we've never seen a case like that before

[urban lodge]

But he hasn't LIED about anything, not knowing the full truth isn't lying

[sage temple]

Idk why that changes now

[frigid gulch]

Because we’ve hardly seen the power in action bruh

[steel stirrup]

Sengoku said Roger and Garp beat the Rocks Pirates

He left out a lot

[frigid gulch]

We jumped to a flashback right after Imu turned the giants

[sage temple]

We've hardly seen LOKI'S power in action

How about that King

[steel stirrup]

Like the fact that the 900 year old immortal pulled up

[fallen meteor]

does he know that

[frigid gulch]

Sure we haven’t

[sweet anvil]

Yeah EoS Loki will have it like that not current

[urban lodge]

Okay, now read what I said and see that nowhere did I imply the opposite

[steel stirrup]

And he said that Roger and Garp did it to protect the slaves and the CDs

Turns out the CDs were there for the express purpose of killing their slaves

Kuma saved those people

[frigid gulch]

But the issue is Loki possibly only awakening conquerors at that point in time and also not having Ragnir

[sage temple]

So how come the power of Imu conveniently follows your prediction yet Loki's powers aren't capable to beat Harald even though this fact has been pushed throughout the arc

[ashen perch]

Broke apart*

[steel stirrup]

Sengoku hasnt told the truth yet

[frigid gulch]

He’s most definitely weaker by a good amount

[sage temple]

Loki himself doesn't deny killing Harald he just didn't do it in cold blood

[ornate tartan]

there will be virtually no difference between EOS Loki and right now, he was introduced in the final saga

[ashen perch]

They broke apart the Rocks Pirates, guess we'll see what that entails

[steel stirrup]

That specifically could still happen I'll grant you that

But him saying it was to "protect the Cds and Slaves" is CAP

[ornate tartan]

he might get slightly stronger in a couple arcs

but nothing drastic

[frigid gulch]

I just commented on Loki’s powers^ there’s reason to believe he isn’t what he is now

[sage temple]

Ngl yeah it is starting to seem unlikely I'm trolling

[sweet anvil]

Time wise there is no difference between Luffy at beginning of wano till now it’s been like a month but he’s grown a lot

[steel stirrup]

The CDs were there to kill the slaves

KUMA saved the slaves

Not Roger or Garp

[tranquil blade]

I assume like half of the Rocks pirates dont even get off the island

[sweet anvil]

Loki will grow a lot against fighting imu

[sage temple]

Definitely yh

[frigid gulch]

I’m not saying Loki will never be like Harald

[tranquil blade]

Shiki vs Kyo right here and Shiki kills Kyo

[ornate tartan]

this is true, hard battles is where your haki blooms

[sage temple]

I wonder if Imu will see Rocks in Loki

[urban lodge]

Loki won't even fight Imu

[sage temple]

Penny hush ngl you're a hater

[sweet anvil]

We know John shiki wb kaido and BM do

[urban lodge]

He'll fight demon Dorry