also-manga

[glass plume]

if Xebec just had a bunch of kids everywhere, it would tarnish all that the fandom has built up for him being a good father lol

[tough igloo]

lmao that’s just delusion

buggy is rocks son theorists dying on that hill even though the manga is making it clear that’s not the case 😂😂

i respect the dedication at least

[final trench]

Divide n conquer

#restorethedavyclan

[glass plume]

Buggy should've been the son of Xebec and not Blackbeard

[tough igloo]

buggy is rocks son theorists starting to resemble ZKK /raid will fail theorists at this point with how they won’t let it go 😂

[stone terrace]

I wouldve taken that

But now its bb

[glass plume]

Buggy being Xebec's son while Blackbeard had his will

[stone terrace]

Lineage full

[glass plume]

it would be fucking perfect

[stone terrace]

[final trench]

Bro 😭

Yall are hilarious man

[tough igloo]

Oda havng his ship named after Xebec since pre timeskip kinda made it obvious that it would always be BB and why most weren’t surprised by the reveal

[glass plume]

it's dumb imo

[ashen perch]

his ship was named in some vivre card in 2018

[tough igloo]

then that vague answer Oda gave about blackbeard & rocks connection made it even more obvious

[glass plume]

Blackbeard being alive is dumb, given that the World Government are probably well aware of his ties to the Davy clan atp

[tough igloo]

they probably found out later on after it was too late

[shadow remnant]

How would they know?

[glass plume]

i fail to see how they wouldn't find it out at God Valley, when Xebec was literally protecting a kid and a girl

[tough igloo]

I think someone told them at a certain reverie

[glass plume]

they should've put 2 and 2 together, lol

[tough igloo]

and that’s how saturn knew in egghead

[final trench]

Probably thought they killed the kid

[olive sigil]

Shanks was born in March, god valley happened in June and buggy was born in August. He’s still in the womb

[tough igloo]

but if that child was 2 years old and you don’t hear anything else about it for 38 years they probably thought he was dead/no longer existed at this point and didn’t know he was hiding on WB crew

[glass plume]

i don't buy it

[tough igloo]

now maybe at MF they could’ve put 2 & 2 together when he ate 2 DFs but then again gorosei said he’s the only one who’s ever did that in history

[shadow remnant]

How would they know that kid is Marshall D. Teach. Or that Marshall D. Teach was that kid

[olive sigil]

They’re 4 months apart and shanks is still only a few weeks old

[torn stirrup]

watching the pre-Toei Ganzack special from 1998, gotta love that classic Kaizoku Fansubs dialogue

[tough igloo]

WG aren’t that smart so them making dumb decisions like this is consistent

[glass plume]

i mean, this is just plot armor for Blackbeard

[tough igloo]

its the same problem people had with how they treated luffy knowing he had that DF

[glass plume]

there's no reason for why they wouldn't go the lengths they did with Ace against Blackbeard

if they know his special lineage

[shadow remnant]

Maybe they thought all the Davy died that day

[tough igloo]

simple cause they didn’t know until he was already a yonko and at that point they can’t do nothing

[final trench]

They didnt go for ace tho

Ace got captured and turned in

Then it was revealed

[tough igloo]

exactly

they never hunted down ace even after they knew who he was

[stone terrace]

Well they did try

[glass plume]

you don't remember Baterilla?

[stone terrace]

In fact they tried a little too hard

[olive sigil]

I wonder if other Davy clan members made it to lulusia

[stone terrace]

Those pregnant women

[final trench]

Im talking about when ace was full grown

Yk, the same as blackbeard

[olive sigil]

That doctor blackbeard looked awfully similar to teach. Is he also a Davy?

[stone terrace]

I wouldnt be surprised if they did that first with bb

[final trench]

If they even know where to find the davy clan at this point

[wide star]

yeah they were lucky to even find them on god valley cause before that they haven’t seen them in 800 years

[shadow remnant]

Lol. Lucky

Fate fucked them over hard

[wide star]

Oda likes to use the word “ fate” as a substitute for lucky lol

[woven talon]

Im not sure they knew until after Ace was arested

[stone terrace]

In a meta way bbs fate is real

[wide star]

Sengoku implied they knew before

[stone terrace]

Cuz oda is the god of that universe

[wide star]

but at that point he’s already with WB so what they gonna do lol

[woven talon]

I think Garp might've given them the story after Ace's arrest when Sengoku was curious why Garp would care about his death

[final trench]

Garling was spying

[olive sigil]

Did he hear about it in a vague report from a disappeared marine

[native seal]

god valley finna be over in 2 chapters

[woven talon]

id love a source on this because I'm not sure that's the case

[native seal]

is what i said 2 chapters ago

[shadow remnant]

So basically. The world as they know it coming to an end is all Garlings fault.

MVP Garling. I see why he’s the champion now

[woven talon]

I think think they only learned after ace was arrested

[wide star]

they knew before he got captured by Blackbeard and arrested

[woven talon]

I'm gonna check the Japanese here

can I get a chapter number?

[wide star]

551

[woven talon]

thx brb

[olive sigil]

@hazy turret I got you

[final trench]

Yup

Theres a reason he replaced saturn, another fuck up ampng the holy lands

[tough igloo]

yeah they already knew about Ace lineage before he got locked up but can’t really do nothing when he’s with WB by that point

[final trench]

Bro aura farmed infront of kuma

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-god-valley-saturn-saturn-one-piece-jaygarcia-saturn-gif-16196897991308544101

“Run along child. I won’t let you dirty my all black fit”

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kuma-saturn-punch-bartholomew-kuma-gif-2669167934979315047

[olive sigil]

Why aura farm when you can literally farm in hay day

[stone terrace]

I still think garp told sengoku about ace lol

When he was drunk or something

[tough igloo]

I think Garp knows not to trust sengoku with something like that lol

[stone terrace]

After ace joined whitebeard he mightve thougjt he was untouchable atp

[shadow remnant]

Oh for sure at some point he did.

[shadow remnant]

Nah. I think Sengoku knows not to cross Garp

[tough igloo]

Sengoku implied they discovered it on their own by putting 2 & 2 together

not that someone just told him

[stone terrace]

But i feel like theres no way to know that

At best its a very good guess

[shadow remnant]

Whoa whoa. Let’s give Sengoku some credit here. He’s a government dog sure

[olive sigil]

Sengoku knows how to bury information

[shadow remnant]

But he’s not a bad guy. I don’t think he would want to kill Ace simply for being Roger’s son. After the kill all order was lifted

[stone terrace]

[tough igloo]

according to sengoku him taking his mother name and rising up the ranks so fast is what allowed them to put 2 & 2 together that he’s Roger son , not because he was told so by Garp

[final trench]

I guess brah

[iron oriole]

Bro basically executed Ace for being Rogers son

[final trench]

Exactly

[olive sigil]

If the gorosei get mad at sengoku for not knowing about ace sooner he can them he might have heard about it from an old drunk marine but he wasn’t sure

[shadow remnant]

Ace was a notorious pirate ya know. That’s enough reason to kill him.

[grand flower]

They executed him for being Roger’s son

[shadow remnant]

Ok fair enough. It was public simply because of who he was

[iron oriole]

Sure but emphasis was put on the fact he's Rogers son

[shadow remnant]

Damn. Didn’t think defending Sengoku would be this tough

I need to go back to law school

[grand flower]

Ace would have just been in impel down if he wasnt Roger’s son

[iron oriole]

Lowkey harder to defend Sengoku than Garp

[glass plume]

Sengoku is the Marine I dislike the most

[shadow remnant]

Yeah I agree

[grand flower]

There’s a reason they believed Roger’s bloodline needed to be extinguished

It’s a wrong reason

But Sengoku is under the impression that protects the world

[iron oriole]

Yeah this, if he was just some random pirate etc thats where he'd be but because of being Rogers son they decided to make a show of it & it bit them in the ass

[frozen aspen]

sengoku isn't just a piece of shit. But a legit bum

zero feats

[grand flower]

Roger wanted to fight Sengoku

[final trench]

Buddha fruit for nothin

[grand flower]

Prime Roger

[frozen aspen]

he wantwd to play with him

[grand flower]

A Roger that’s already fighting with Hao

[final trench]

“Whats a prime, whats that”- sengoku

[tough igloo]

they thought publicly executing roger son would discourage pirates around the world and it did the opposite 😂 WB ended up motivating them even more

[woven talon]

The Japanese feels more vague on when after his tenure as captain of the spade pirates they realized

[frozen aspen]

bc the wg us run by morons

[woven talon]

I don't think this can be used to say they knew 2 years ago

[tough igloo]

they knew before he got arrested though

[woven talon]

just that they put the pieces togther sometime after his metoric rise

[woven talon]

I don't think we can say either way

[tough igloo]

by the time teach captured ace , they already knew he was rogers son

[sturdy steeple]

It did encourage pirates but it also raised WG’s reputation after they killed WB.

So it wasn’t all for nothing.

[tough igloo]

it did more harm to the WG than good … cause the world got even more chaotic post marineford

[grand flower]

The true winner of Marineford was Blackbeard

[tough igloo]

an you replace WB with someone is much much more evil

[sturdy steeple]

The world would get more chaotic regardless.

[grand flower]

Whitebeard and the WG both took Ls

[grand flower]

Nah the chaos wouldn’t have happened if Whitebeard survived

[tough igloo]

facts , Teach got the biggest W

yeah the whole point was WB death caused so much chaos on the seas

with all his territory

[sturdy steeple]

If you mean Blackbeard antics then I agree but overall I disagree.

[shadow remnant]

Yeah he’s the only one to gain and not lose anything

[grand flower]

No I mean csuse the chaos happened because Whitebeard died

Explicitly

The chaos was pirates rushing to claim his territory

[glass plume]

Blackbeard gained a lot from jumping a dead man, yeah

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, no, I just meant that in general chaos would be ensured regardless in the future.

[grand flower]

After Mf, we’re told the power vacuum from WBs death created chaos

[sturdy steeple]

With Luffy and emperors constantly colliding.

[woven talon]

what makes you say that tho?

[grand flower]

I wonder if the two year time skip would have happened if Ace died but Whitebeard still survived

[azure wasp]

And WB speech too

[sturdy steeple]

But then again, WG knew they fucked up so Akainu moving the headquarters to New World was a smart move.

[grand flower]

They imply they realized it while he was still Spade captain

[glass plume]

why wouldn't it?

[grand flower]

Idk it’s just interesting to think about

How that would change history

Would it affect Luffy?

[glass plume]

i think they'd have to have a timeskip even if Whitebeard was alive

it would affect how FMI was

[grand flower]

A major part of why Luffy decided to train was the war ending in failure

[sturdy steeple]

Idk but someone like Kid never had a timeskip to begin with.

[glass plume]

considering that it would still be protected by Whitebeard

[woven talon]

Outside the line we just discussed?

[grand flower]

Aces death would probably still motivate that

[sturdy steeple]

GOAT

[grand flower]

Nah thag one

[grand flower]

Yeah he went straight to the NW. Law too

[tough igloo]

i think maybe if Ace did survive maybe there wouldn’t have been a timeskip but trying to imagine post timeskip luffy without rayleigh training is funny lol

[woven talon]

Im gonna run this by some Japanese experts to be sure

but I don't read it like that

I just read it as an unspecified amount of time later they realized

[grand flower]

Yeah not being able to save Ace opener luffys eyes

[sturdy steeple]

But I think Oda was making a statement that Luffy’s crew wasn’t ready whatsoever. They’d probably safely pass Fishman Island and then would get obliterated somewhere in the New World.

So it would still have to happen regardless.

[tranquil blade]

Probably, because Luffy saw how outmatched he was in sabaody and marineford

[sturdy steeple]

Like yeah, he generally understood what he had to do.

[grand flower]

Kid and Killer being mangled post-skip makes me think that’s what happened to them. They had a much more grueling time but got stronger through those experiences

[wet condor]

So do you think that Luffy's crew was just way weaker than Law's or Kidd's?

[sturdy steeple]

It’d be really funny if he was trained by WB pirates instead lol

[tough igloo]

yeah maybe rayleigh still approaches luffy even if ace survives cause he knew luffy still wasn’t ready for the new world .. now whether or not Luffy still listens to him if Ace survived is a different story lol

[glass plume]

true

[sturdy steeple]

Maybe a bit but I don’t think that’s a point.
We can tell from Kid’s and Killer’s scars that they had it rough. Lucky, even.

[sturdy steeple]

What Shuron is saying basically ^

[tranquil blade]

The only difference is that there might be more WB pirates to back up Luffy in Wano, I doubt Luffy would go after Whitebeard first

[sturdy steeple]

But Luffy wouldn’t want to grow in power steadily. He’d go right into chaos and would get obliterated. Even more so than Kid.

[tough igloo]

yeah Law is way smarter than both so he would’ve had a easier time regardless .. then again he did have to go through the rocky port incident during the timeskip

[final trench]

Indeed

[wet condor]

I can believe that Kidd and Law had a rough time in the NW but I don't view them as being vastly stronger than Luffy's crew. If Kidd and Law could've made it into the NW, I don't really see why Luffy and company couldn't've

[sturdy steeple]

I don’t think that should really be a hot-take but Law’s and Kid’s fruits are much better than Luffy’s on base.

[final trench]

Even in sabaody it was said the strawhats were “destroyed”

[sturdy steeple]

So yeah

[wet condor]

They had a decent shot of making it too, I'd say

But the Kuma situation also benefited them

[sturdy steeple]

iirc Kid and Law had a better time against Pacifista than the whole SH crew

[glass plume]

makes sense

[tough igloo]

switching out luffy for law in rocky port incident during the timeskip would be interesting to see how that played out .. (no need to switch him out wit kid cause he wouldn’t have tried to fight shanks the same way kid did )

[glass plume]

especially with Law's busted fruit lol

[woven talon]

Different words are used for each of these moments

The one for the Kid pirates is much more extreme

[frozen aspen]

skill issue tbh

[sturdy steeple]

Music, tbh that’s a “what if” situation. Surely they could get around but also realistically they should get obliterated at one point.

[wet condor]

Law and Kidd's fruits are better off the rip

[final trench]

Then they became more skilled

[tranquil blade]

Luffy’s fruit doesn’t really get comparable to theirs until it’s awakened

[wet condor]

Yeah, I agree with that

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, Kid’s fruit is basically G3 that he can freely use.

[glass plume]

how does Law's fruit perform against logias btw?

[wet condor]

I'd say the same about Kidd and Law as well

[sturdy steeple]

But for Luffy it took one punch to exhaust himself.

[tough igloo]

we saw him beat smoker

[glass plume]

yeah, but can he cut through the logia

[tough igloo]

worked seemingly fine when he took his heart out so i would assume he can cut him too

[glass plume]

i don't remember

[sturdy steeple]

You mean can it counter? Probably not

He very likely still uses haki

[glass plume]

hm

[tough igloo]

yeah when he took smoker heart out he used his bare hands so i assume he used haki

since smoker is a logia

[sturdy steeple]

imo but I think Law and Kid already had a basic understanding of haki back then

[glass plume]

shame that we so rarely get to see them use it

[sturdy steeple]

That’s headcanon but I wouldn’t be surprised

[woven talon]

hmm Okay, I retract my doubt on the Ace thing

seems like 2 years ago they did start to piece it togther

read more vague to me

huh

yeah this is more a point of instinct and context than grammar

[tough igloo]

Law also implies that with radio knife move , you can’t use your powers to put yourself back together for a while

[woven talon]

They at least started to put togther the clues 2 years ago

[glass plume]

atp it wouldn't surprise me if Law can create a room which negates ones devil fruit who are inside of it

[tough igloo]

lol that fruit is basically just whatever Oda thinks of at the moment

[pine ridge]

that's not too dissimilar to what gaban and rocks did to the god knights. goda foreshadowing

[tough igloo]

Oda loves giving Law DF abilties that others need haki for lol

[tranquil blade]

Law could be a pretty good encounter to the immortal characters

[tough igloo]

first radio knife & then luffy learning internal destruction haki even though Law DF already has that internal destruction on its own lol

[vale heath]

I see no reason Law couldn’t remove a devil fruit from someone, given sufficient time and opportunity

Like, by no means quickly

[tranquil blade]

He couldn’t do it in a fight

[glass plume]

it would be funny if he just did that in the middle of a fight

[tranquil blade]

and devil fruit powers basically change a person’s dna permanently, so idk if anything can really undo aside from the yami yami which is special

[glass plume]

ope ope is also special

Law could probably just slice off the DNA which has the fruit powers, lol

if Oda wants to go real bonkers with it

[shadow remnant]

I think it’s deeper than that

The thing combines with the body and the soul

Law has no means of separating that from anyone

Unless. You know. He kills them

[glass plume]

if Oda wanted him to, he could do it lol

that's his fruit in a nutshell

[shadow remnant]

Lol lucky for us Oda isn’t a bum

[urban lodge]

It's just the body, and funnily enough he's the reason we know that because of the personality swap

[shadow remnant]

Go talk to the guy who writes Boruto

He might do that for you

[glass plume]

completely forgot that he did that, lol

[shadow remnant]

Mmhm

Me too

[iron oriole]

Do you think Law could use the personality swap on a Zoan user & bring out the animal side?

[glass plume]

probably

[final trench]

Soon

[olive sigil]

Maybe when he was alive

[iron oriole]

So like currently

Good shit

[olive sigil]

He’s dead

[final trench]

Law is not dead brosquito

Where did you conjure this frm

[tranquil blade]

[iron oriole]

His head ofc

[iron oriole]

Its crazy that Law lives rent free up there

[olive sigil]

He’s with a hungry polar bear in the middle of the ocean. He’s not surviving this

[olive sigil]

He’s dead he doesn’t live anywhere

[tough igloo]

lmao didn’t Oda already show us them during VP speech

[final trench]

Reach of hell

[final trench]

Yes

[olive sigil]

He showed Bepo

[final trench]

When vp was about to say “among one of you is a..”

Bepo was talking to law

[tough igloo]

yeah Bepo who was talking to Law lol

[olive sigil]

He could have been talking to anyone

[tough igloo]

lmao he’s not calling anyone captain other than law stop the cope 😂😂

[vale heath]

The amber lead disease was embedded into DNA, there was that whole thing about each subsequent generation having a shorter and shorter lifespan

And Law cured himself of it

So yes, absolutely Law can micro manipulate DNA

[glass plume]

insane

wonder if we'll see him do it

[vale heath]

Really we should be mad at Law for not dealing with the SMILE afflicted

[dense haven]

law should be the mc

[vale heath]

Unlike Chopper, Law actually could have done something about that

[final trench]

Fuck no

[vale heath]

And he chose not to

[grand flower]

Reminder that Kid and Law can knock down Emperors and Zoro has to settle for wanting to

[iron oriole]

Laughter is the best medicine anyway

[vale heath]

I feel it’s a bit unfair to compare a 2v1 to a 1v1

[grand flower]

Wym

It was a 3 v 2, for starters

[urban lodge]

I mean if knocking down is what counts even Jimbei did that

[grand flower]

The Homies attacked Kid and Law from behind on their own

[grand flower]

Threw her

Not the same

Zoro could do that

But knock down a stanced up Emperor? Not yet

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/jinbe-jimbei-jinbei-big-mom-wci-gif-17852166761322279053

[grand flower]

Weakened BM

[iron oriole]

Do we really consider that weakened?

She arguably had her best showing from that hunger pang

[sturdy steeple]

Well yes, her body was weakened.

[grand flower]

Cmon dawg

Also Jamesbei is him

He was already blocking Admirals pre-skip

He stronger than Zoro here anyway

[woven talon]

what chapter is this?

[pine ridge]

1136

[woven talon]

thx

[urban lodge]

Bro thinks he can fix Imu

[stone terrace]

Some gifters and a couple nukes oughtta do it

[bold sonnet]

he only needs his sidekick, batman

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-batman-bat-fruit-haki-armament-gif-13081055876519266068

[stone terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1367615728311599195/IMG_8772.gif?ex=68f0bca6&is=68ef6b26&hm=eb43f1b4d7473b49a47ce80b04f840b54e34a9857a636626fe7da356f50614fe&

[grand flower]

Strongest pirate crew in the world for a reason

[final trench]

Im glad someone found this

Grunt #172636 was standing on 10

[woven talon]

has viz released 112 yet?

They really really need to correct this if they haven't

[grand flower]

Maybe Harald never told them it was Estrid?

[olive sigil]

What’s wrong?

[warm falcon]

that she's pregnant? yes, its possible but... have we ever had an interaction between Buggy and Blackbeard? if not... the possibility is low.

[woven talon]

Harald isn't said to be the one who prophesied anything in Japanese

just that a prophecy was made about him dying by his own son

this is just a mistake

[dense rapids]

It’s not a mistake

[woven talon]

and it changes how ppl assume Harald and Loki's relationship plays out

[dense rapids]

The people who don’t live in the castle just don’t know what actually happened

[woven talon]

no it's just a translation error

it's not what the Japanese says

it is ^

He's the cursed prince!

It was prophesized before Loki was born that King Harald would be killed by his son.

Harald prophesizing himself is just incorrect

[warm falcon]

aaaa

indeed its wrong

was prophesized

korosareru is passive

[woven talon]

yh, it's rare but Viz makes mistakes

no biggie

just hope it's fixed for the volume

[warm falcon]

sarete, i mean, sorry***

[woven talon]

they still have time

[woven talon]

np, thanks for not doubling down 😅

[warm falcon]

the spanish translation is better in my opinion lately

more accurate

[woven talon]

I sadly don't speak Spanish : (

[warm falcon]

since they changed the trasnlator, its not good as the previous in english

[native seal]

my question is who tf has the power of prophesizing that shit

[pine ridge]

some random woman with a glass ball probably

[native seal]

madam sharley of elbaf

[urban lodge]

Damn you Oda for speedrunning all that to get to Rocks

[grand flower]

Oh interesting

[grand flower]

It was Estrid

[native seal]

they be saying prophesized for anything now she just hated that baby

[wraith mantle]

But

It said “before he was born”

[native seal]

mmmm

[olive sigil]

But when meek does a mistake, he gets murdered

[grand flower]

Oh shit good point

[wraith mantle]

Estrid didn’t future sight how ugly he was bruh

[native seal]

ngl he one ugly ass baby tho

[formal wagon]

hot take: liking luffy shows an omission of moral fiber in one's character

[native seal]

break down that sentence for me mailbox

[steel stirrup]

The same elder who looked into the future and saw Hajrudin get one tapped by Base Luffy

[formal wagon]

[native seal]

good shit

[formal wagon]

breaking it down

[native seal]

i got it

[steel stirrup]

So if i like Luffy, I have no morals

[formal wagon]

they added soujourn to stadium fuck the world. at least no mauga at least...

[steel stirrup]

You probably right

[thick mango]

Kuma and dragon are probably the most moral characters. Koby is up there but not to the same level

[formal wagon]

✅

[steel stirrup]

Nah you right

I'm a demon

[formal wagon]

[woven talon]

that's when meek makes a mistake, not viz

[frozen aspen]

deserved on account of being meek

[steel stirrup]

Meek be asking for that shit

Literally

[rose rune]

Meek is meek

[stone terrace]

Hes my idol

[frozen aspen]

my condolences

[warm falcon]

@frozen aspen i love this series on your pfp

[graceful grove]

he might take the Garp route...
most noticeable 3 marines he likely trained are Dragon, Kuzan & Koby.
one went Rev route, other one went Pirate. only one left is

i'm hoping he will be the one that split the marines and take on WG

[stone terrace]

Wonder what koby would do on god valley

Im torn between killing himself or trying to plead with imu

[frozen aspen]

thanks, I started it like 2 days ago and now im alreasdy watching season 2 lol

[graceful grove]

he won't help them but i doubt he quits either

[strange grail]

I don’t think abandoning your own child is very moral

[graceful grove]

ppl still can't understand his reasoning

[lofty fern]

Cry a lot and probably get killed

[graceful grove]

not even after witnessing Marines hunt down pregnant woman because they might be carrying a criminals child

[pine ridge]

I think Homing is up there. he actually gave up his cd position

[stone terrace]

The reasoning is sound

The problem is having a kid in the first place

[graceful grove]

that i agree with.

[stone terrace]

If you know you cant take care of them then dont have them

[lofty fern]

Koby's strong, but he's nowhere near the level needed for this place

[graceful grove]

that's the same issue i have with Roger

[lofty fern]

Roger I don't think meant to have a kid

It just happened

[graceful grove]

really?

[strange grail]

His reasoning was solid when Luffy was a baby, but he literally raised sabo and Luffy was only a few years younger lmao! He could’ve taken him in then

[graceful grove]

i think he fully intended because he though that was the promised child

[lofty fern]

It's like Xebec, his child would be hunted for all his life, I doubt he planned to have one

[lofty fern]

I don't think so, he just had a hope for the future hypothetical, like most father's do. If they ever have a kid, they hope they're the best.

Roger's the type of person who doesn't think about tomorrow, he lives in the now. He could die before he ever gets to have kids and he would still make that statement

[haughty saddle]

People with way less individual capacity for autonomy have way more children in way worse situations today in our world

It’s just what people do

Babies be made, man

[graceful grove]

taking Sabo was special circumstance. Luffy was already safe and hell bent on his own path. sure he could've but i don't blame him for it. can you imagine how many ppl in revs have suffered horrible fates like Ginny?

[lofty fern]

Dragon didn't really "raise" Sabo. Sabo was treated basically as a very young recruit, not as a son. There's an emotional distance there. You can tell by how Dragon thinks of Sabo

[strange grail]

I do! He literally abandoned his own child, to the point where his dumbass son didn’t even know he had a dad, while literally raising another child!

He’s a horrible person morally!

[strange grail]

There’s even more distance with his own child tho

[magic sparrow]

I think Davy Jones was a fishemam from Imu's era, who possibly ate a mythical zoan, the kraken DF. He was banished by Imu to the bottom of the seafloor, where the Abyss marks are, and is the one guarding the final ponel Glyphs. The fishmen were subjugated in order to prevent them from exposing this truth to the humans.

So Jinbe really is the key to the final arc. Fishmen Lives matter. Fishmen tiger would be pleased.

[haughty saddle]

This is a mind numbingly reductive take

[ashen perch]

we'll find out in the upcoming Hachinosu War

[stone terrace]

Dragon deadass didnt know whether or not sabo would kill cobra

[ashen perch]

well tbf

Sabo is known for having a temper

[lofty fern]

No, Dragon would do anything for Luffy, it doesn't matter how distant they are. Dragon loves Luffy unconditionally. If Luffy was threatened by the WG, he would be do whatever he could. That's the difference.

[ashen perch]

I assume Dragon was just thinking "hopefully seeing Kuma like that didnt make him go crazier"

[lofty fern]

I don't think that's going to be the same, no hunting game there and he's already been there and its basically all pirates

[haughty saddle]

He went out of his way to go to Loguetown to watch over his exit from the East Blue

[ashen perch]

true but I do think Imu will get involved there too

[lofty fern]

Because Sabo would if it worked out for the cause

[haughty saddle]

While fighting a guerrilla war against the global superpower

[ashen perch]

yea, Sabo said that he doesnt mind if he is perceived as the killer of Cobra

[fast pagoda]

Beo is gorilla

[strange grail]

Ok? Im not saying dragon doesn’t love luffy!

Im saying he’s morally wrong for abandoning him and not even visiting once! He is a bad father, akin to yasopp for what he did to usopp.

But atleast usopp knew he had a dad lmao

[haughty saddle]

Yeah but did he buy him iPhone on Christmas??? KEK bad dad! ! !

[fast pagoda]

I just wanna know why Dragon even had kids

If he was doing allat

[haughty saddle]

Fucking, most likely

[strange grail]

And literally never cared again! Didn’t even ask about his own son to Iva/Robin lmao

[haughty saddle]

Headcannon

[fallen meteor]

Watch dragon be a clone father or something

[lofty fern]

Even if he does, it would just be another monster to face. Not the same emotional conflict of having been responsible for lives lost like Dragon now is for example. Of having so many innocents just dying and not being able to do anything. Honestly, we haven't even heard any of Koby's ideas about the CDs.

[fast pagoda]

Bro doesnt know about contraception

[strange grail]

He literally says “Luffy is an adult now” when Iva asks if he wants to know about him!

I swear half the people here don’t even read one piece lmao

[haughty saddle]

He was stronger than the contraception. Haki is the power that overcomes all or whatever.

[lofty fern]

Because he doesn't need too? He knew at that point that Luffy could pretty much take care of himself. He came to watch over him multiple times at Dawn Island, he wanted to make sure he could at least grow up.

[lofty fern]

Same reason as Roger or Xebec, just happened

[graceful grove]

see now this brings up the other issue with him. why did he even get with her in the first place if he knew the kind of danger that would fall on her?
that's incredibly selfish and morally wrong.

[haughty saddle]

And from that you extrapolate that he never asked about him again or had any sort of interest in his movements, when we’ve seen him explicitly do that before. Again, you have a Reddit/Twitter born debate mindset around your perception of Dragon and you’ll do anything to justify it because it makes you sound like you understand the characters more than others. It’s reductive and pathetic.

[strange grail]

Wow! What a great dad, doesn’t even care about the wellbeing of his own adult son!

And then never even tried after loguetown lmao

[lofty fern]

Yes, he trusts his son to be able to take care of himself. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about him

[strange grail]

Brother, read the manga! He literally says this to Iva when she asks about Luffy to dragon!

Then you can argue with me!

When has he explicitly asked about Luffy after loguetown??? Which chapter?

[haughty saddle]

He never even threw a baseball with him

Did dragon even buy him a car for graduation?

[formal wagon]

torb diff

[haughty saddle]

When has he dismissed interest in Luffy’s life aside from that moment with Iva?

[strange grail]

He does care about him, but he’s still a horrible father

Yasopp is a better dad

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-overwatch-gif-1818541974584310044

[ornate tartan]

there’s still people who say dragon doesn’t care ab luffy😂

[lofty fern]

Again, he lives in the now. That would be like, why did he have friends or a crew or any kind of relationships? He has them because he's not going to live his life in fear of what could happen. Also it's not like Rouge doesn't have her on autonomy. She decided to have this life with him. Yes there's a danger to it, but they shouldn't live a shell of a life because they fear what could happen.

[formal wagon]

m**g*

[haughty saddle]

We can do this “ermm but!” shit forever if you want, whitename

[hasty sable]

The Revos just kind of shrugging and rolling with it after Cobra’s murder inspires more nations to rise against the WG is so funny

[tulip turtle]

So if Luffy didn't knew if he had a father, would he know about his mother?

[formal wagon]

yeah

[strange grail]

We’ve seen him like 10 times in the manga and that was one, so it’s pretty fucking significant!

L dad

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[strange grail]

Haha, classic loser mentality! Call me names when you can’t disprove my point lmao

[hasty sable]

I hope that they never rectify that with some “Cobra was actually a good man” business. It’s probably one of the few times Oda shows the messiness of revolutions but how that doesn’t take away the justice from the cause itself.

[stone terrace]

Robin and dragon definitely didnt talk much

Remember how he just never mentions that saul is alive

😭

[lofty fern]

I see no proof of this other than you thinking his line to Iva was somehow bad? We KNOW Dragon is a person who cares deeply. He is right now risking his life to save children he doesn't even know. He cares about people. How much more would he care about his own son?

[hasty sable]

It would only have been cooler if Sabo had actually killed Cobra

[ornate tartan]

nah cobra was a good guy

[lofty fern]

How was he to know Robin knew Saul? Robin doesn't talk either.

[stone terrace]

He wouldnt know that, but he'd know there was someone who survived ohara and brought the books back to elbaf

[thick mango]

I don't think it's unreasonable for dragon to conclude luffy is safer not being directly raised by him.

[ornate tartan]

cobra was only 50 years old, basically same age as katakuri almost😂

[stone terrace]

Which robin would be delighted to hear

[ornate tartan]

younger then i expected

[strange grail]

Again, he can care deeply and still be a horrible father tho

Is caring the only thing that makes a parent good? A gambler dad who gambles away his son’s tuition is a good father if he cares about his child?

[thick mango]

I disagree so much. What is your proposed alternative? That he be raised on the battlefields of revolution? Or that the revolution be abandoned cause dragon is a dad now?

[lofty fern]

Maybe, but you still might not bring it up, we don't even know how much Dragon and Robin even saw each other. Both of them are people that keep to themselves

[potent pier]

And cobra was on death's door already

[stone terrace]

Well yes but that just goes to my point that they didnt talk much

[strange grail]

Yes, adopt him when he was 8 or so when he did sabo! Or atleast meet his own child once

[thick mango]

Sabo doesn't have the same dynamic of being leverage against dragon

Luffy is undoubtedly safer on windmill island

[strange grail]

No one, even his own army, has to know he’s his son!

[thick mango]

I think that's naive and hard to accomplish

[strange grail]

He almost died multiple times, to bluejam pirates, the fire, etc

[graceful grove]

that's not the same. he became the biggest criminal with his crew. this is more like making someone innocent suffer for your crimes.

[haughty saddle]

Didn’t you get scolded by a mod for the way you were talking to people the last time I saw you in chat?

[thick mango]

Those kind of everyday dangers are nothing compared to targeted hunting for leverage

[urban lodge]

Good opportunity for me to spread my crack theory that Bluejam is burn scar

[ornate tartan]

it takes one slip up to completely end this

did u not see the Gaban Gunko situation with Collun

[lofty fern]

The fact that he's willing to give up his selfish desire to raise Luffy and give him up to someone who could (mostly) raise him in safety IS what shows that Dragon is a good father. Not one that raised his child yes, but one that still put his son and his love for him above himself.
It's basically like saying a father is a horrible father because he died and couldn't raise his son, but made sure his son survived and there were people that could. What sense does that make?

[strange grail]

Never happened in reality mate! Plus you’re the one calling me names rather than arguing your point here lmao

[haughty saddle]

Cry abt it I guess man

[vale heath]

What about, if you know that having a child will place undue stress and danger on yourself and that child
Don’t have a child

It’s actually really easy to make that decision

[strange grail]

The only one crying about something other than the topic of arguement here is you lmao!

[thick mango]

Would it be better if luffy didn't exist

[strange grail]

No, it shows he’s a good revolutionary/army man, not a good father! He doesn’t even meet him once, how is he a good father???

[lofty fern]

That could happen yes, but you just have deal with that. Roger's not going to live life afraid of the WG. And again, Rouge agreed to this life with him. It's like asking why did Klapp have kids knowing what could happen to his son? Or why did Xebec have a kid knowing how much the WG hated the Davy clan? Those kids have a chance, even if its slim and yes they are in much more risk, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be born.
Do you know how many lives would have been lost if Klapp or Dragon had thought like that?

[strange grail]

His own son died in almost every arc, where was he?

[ornate tartan]

wym where was he?😂

he’s a leader of a world wide revolution

[stone terrace]

No but dragon doesnt get brownie points for his son turning out to be the messiah

[strange grail]

It would make dragon a morally better person for sure

[lofty fern]

Does meeting your kid, make you a good father? I'm sure Dragon was with Luffy in the very early years of his life. And he watched over him when he could. He did the best that he could do with the circumstances that he had.

[strange grail]

That’s the bare minimum a father should do yes, hang out with your own child!

Deadbeats are not good fathers

[stone terrace]

Heres a comparison. Its like having slaves and treating them well. Should you have slaves? No. But if you treat them well you are a better person than someone who treats them poorly

[lofty fern]

I mean, he does considered that his own decisions led up to Luffy existing. If Dragon had done what his dad wanted and stayed in the marines, if he had never gone off and created the revs/ff, he most likely would have never met Luffy's mom. So Dragon made the decisions to at least get to that point.

[lofty fern]

So you want him to hang out with Luffy, which leads to his son being in danger. That's better?

[strange grail]

The same amount of danger another child faced with revolutionary army like Sabo, sure!

[formal wagon]

what if your one piece takes got so good everyone decided to make you king of planet earth

[lofty fern]

Not the same, at all

If they captured Sabo, Dragon would feel horrible and he would try to save him, but if he couldn't he would accept that.
He wouldn't be able to do that with Luffy

What he did with Ginny? He wouldn't be able to do that with Luffy.

[ornate tartan]

you are making a lot of great points, but it seems like vk136 already has his mind made up

[strange grail]

Better, yes! But does that make you a good person? I seriously doubt it!

[stone terrace]

Dragons still a good person

Made a mistake

[thick mango]

Dragon is like top 3 most moral people in one piece

[stone terrace]

The greatest mistake ever perhaps

[formal wagon]

and luffy is bottom 1. curious.

what is oda trying to say here

[lofty fern]

Luffy has pretty good morals compared. Bottom level is like CD level

[grand flower]

Luffy is very solid morally

[formal wagon]

nah

[thick mango]

Do you ever have like a good faith point or is it all just baiting and memeing

[strange grail]

But they didn’t! And sabo had a leg up in the world too because he got trained in haki by the army!

Luffy would’ve had a safer journey as a pirate too, tho that story would be less entertaining than the one we got

[grand flower]

Luffy is middle of the road ethically

[formal wagon]

latter

[grand flower]

But he’s morally solid

[formal wagon]

do you ever smile

do you ever laugh and have fun and be yourself and have a good time

do you ever play overwatch

[lofty fern]

😑

[formal wagon]

these are the important questions

[grand flower]

Bro got sniped

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/calisto-yew-laughing-ace-attorney-investigations-miles-edgeworth-hilarious-gif-11078731905928804643

[formal wagon]

yeah like this

[rose rune]

Yes, yes, no

[potent pier]

Okay fellas, what questions would you ask Oda in an SBS?

[torn ferry]

they fixed the colored scan translations

never thought id see the day

[inner agate]

something something about namis breasts

[rose rune]

Probably a boob question

[formal wagon]

I'd ask how many grandkids big mom has

[potent pier]

For me, this amazon Lily related question: If any woman comes to Amazon Lily pregnant and gives birth there, Will they always be a girl?

[tulip turtle]

Can we eat kaido in his dragon form?

[haughty saddle]

Does Jinbei have a bigger bust that Zoro?

And if not; how?

[lofty fern]

Dragon's not a helicopter parent. Luffy is good on his own right now, Dragon trusts him to be strong enough to take care of himself or learn how to. If Luffy did get to the point where say he was like Ace? Then yeah, he probably would step up.

[graceful grove]

that's not a valid excuse. he was effectively putting the biggest bullseye of the whole world on her and his sons back while knowing he won't be there to protect them or have a viable way to take care of them. you could argue Rocks already had a clan that was under threat, he just added one more.

[stone terrace]

He trusted garp

[graceful grove]

that was a gamble

[stone terrace]

-10000 points

[ornate tartan]

I would ask about the connection between the OG Vander Decken and Davy Jones in a future SBS

[graceful grove]

and Garp didn't raise shit.

[thick mango]

isnt it kinda letting evil win if refuse to have a kid because the evil of the world might come after it?

[graceful grove]

in fact he let the kid die for his 9-5 job

[haughty saddle]

Yeah

[strange grail]

Okay, what about Kuma! He was number 2 or number 3 of revolutionary army, and yet he took care of his child with love and caring!

He’s just a slightly lower target than dragon, but he was the opposite with his own child and raised her for several years before quitting the army to find her cure

[graceful grove]

it's not at all

[solid mantle]

Who's his favorite character? So that I can bald them

[lofty fern]

Roger had a whole crew he could rely on, as well as garp for some odd reason. (I do wonder how Garp and Roger met)

[solid mantle]

[thick mango]

how is it not?

[potent pier]

So yeah my question is way to figure out the nature of Amazon Lily

[lofty fern]

Also Roger never expected Rouge to die. People forget that

[stone terrace]

Alright this is good

[potent pier]

Can only girls be born there?

[haughty saddle]

Imagine if every group who’s ever been persecuted was like “well, they say I’m a subhuman cattle undeserving of rights, so I’ll just stop propagating my culture and family and quietly disappear into the annals of history bcuz it’s hard to exist right now”

[graceful grove]

he didn't. none of his crew was there for ace and garp dumped him xd

[haughty saddle]

People have MORE children MORE often in dire circumstances

It’s undeniably how EVERY human group has acted in the face of extermination and persecution in history

[strange grail]

I doubt his crew knew he was Roger’s son until it was too late

[lofty fern]

If they knew about Ace, they probably would have been. And again, he expected Rouge to raise their son

[haughty saddle]

Only from the comfort of the first world can we look at people in those situations and sneer and thumb our noses to their choices on raising children

[graceful grove]

you have an evil entity that's gonna hunt down anyone related to you so your answer is putting that on an infant?

[potent pier]

Because if even non-kuja woman give birth to only girls there, it suggest that the effect is environmental instead of nature based

[stone terrace]

Well i fear roger wasnt persecuted for his race, sexual orientation, nationality or w/e

He was a criminal

Justly labeled one? You decide

[haughty saddle]

I decide no

So now what

[formal wagon]

Decision: yes

[thick mango]

cameron basically made the point i woulda made, if you dont have kids cause the evil of the world might hunt them down youre basically accepting their domination over you and doing their job for them.

[strange grail]

Nah, he was a pirate and pirates are criminals! So he was undoubtedly one

[haughty saddle]

I also don’t think they’re OBLIGATED to have children, as well. It’s just what has always happened across all of human history, across all cultures, always.

It’s just what happens, man

[vale heath]

I think creating a child you know you do not have the means to raise is an evil act

[stone terrace]

Ding ding

[strange grail]

Agree, and that’s like saying clover was responsible for the death of Ohara! It’s the person doing the killing who’s responsible, not anyone else

[stone terrace]

If you make an honest effort thinking you can pull it off, fair

[haughty saddle]

That’s an incredibly modern and comfortable way of looking at it

[stone terrace]

Im not the cock watcher

[lofty fern]

I think they shouldn't be afraid to have children simply because of what could happen, but you are aware of what it means and take the precautions you can.

[formal wagon]

i think lucci is really badass

[strange grail]

I wouldn’t say evil, but 100% makes them a bad parent

[thick mango]

i dont think luffy would agree it would have been better if he was never born. Thats basically the conclusion of youre premise right, that bringing the child into the world without the ability to directly raise it is so tragic and bad that you should just not and it would be better if the child were never born

[stone terrace]

I think many people who were abused as children but turned their lives around are still glad to be born

[blazing mantle]

Everyone thinks this you aren’t alone

[haughty saddle]

What does directly raising it mean? What prerequisites are there? What’s the MINIMUM amount of time you have to spend with a child to be a valid parent? What are the needs you have to meet, bare minimum? How much money do you need to make before you have children? How much time is alloted to others caring for it before you’re invalidated as a parent?

Dragon and Luffy aside

Just as a general

[graceful grove]

so he didn't have his crew to rely on them. in fact he didn't have any real plan for them because he didn't set up anything for them beyond asking a marine he fought with several times for a last ditch favor behind bars. right after he turned himself in. he had a grand plan to go out with a big speech but none for the mother of his child and the kid xd

[haughty saddle]

Wouldn’t this mean, by your same logic, that it would be immoral for a group of people systemically impoverished by their government or governing body to propagate their culture and family?

[stone terrace]

Rayleigh and gaban might've fucked around and showed up to marineford if they knew

[grand flower]

Oh are we policing who’s allowed to have kids again?

Surely that never goes poorly

You gen x wouldn’t get it

[thick mango]

from the point of dragon shouldnt have had a kid if the target on his kid's back means he wouldnt be able to directly raise them

[grand flower]

Who fuckin cares

[thick mango]

yeah i dunno, luffys life still seems wildly net positive. Its not at all obvious to me that it would have been more moral to not have him

[stone terrace]

Very obvious to me

[grand flower]

"People in disenfranchised positions are morally obligated not to have children" is not the move

[stone terrace]

Luffys life did end up fine, also couldnt have. It be a crapshoot, this life thing

[thick mango]

yeah but thats also true of kids with loving present parents

not that dragon isnt loving

[stone terrace]

It wouldnt have made dragons decision any worse if it got leaked that luffy was his son and sakazuki melted him at age 4

[thick mango]

thats the whole thing, his love for his kid makes it too dangerous to have the kid around

[rare ivy]

Vice admiral grandfather who spent his earnings everywhere else but to better the life of his grandchildren

[barren token]

There's gotta be something about garp that makes people trust him with their kids

[thick mango]

I can get on board with garp being wrong for not really doing a good job of helpign raise his grandson but i cant get on board with dragon being wrong for choosing to have a kid

[strange grail]

What about Kuma? He was number 3 of revolutionaries and didn’t abandon his child!

Just a slightly smaller target than dragon

[grand flower]

The guy dedicating decades of his life to saving people?

Yeah

[graceful grove]

so you are saying they should have kids no matter the circumstance ?

[grand flower]

Probably

[leaden rivet]

Looked at a few messages and thought this was an abortion argument lmao

[barren token]

Dragon should have forced his wife to have an abortion basically yeah

[grand flower]

It's a waste of time to direct energy toward people who have kids in poor conditions when you can directr that energy to tackling why people are in poor conditions

[graceful grove]

that i agree with

[leaden rivet]

All I’ll say is that having a dangerous life is no excuse to be an absent father if you had the child under those conditions as well

[stone terrace]

Or just do both

Fuck the world government

[grand flower]

Which makes it even more baffling to me that this keeps being a talking point for drawings

[thick mango]

if theres a decent possibility the kid will have a positive life yeah. And I think thats true of most circumstances.

[grand flower]

That's how you end up eugenizing people who are victims of poverty or institutional discrimination lmao

[graceful grove]

but you can't look at the sheer amount of kids being born into terrifying circumstance and being in that hell for life. that's not a choice kid made but forced on him

[grand flower]

It's not a sound perspective from jump

[stone terrace]

Theres poverty and then theres being marked for death at birth

[grand flower]

It offers no practical solutions

And is ultimately a waste of time

[leaden rivet]

I think there’s a bit of a leap from poor and opressed people and world wide wanted criminal

[grand flower]

You're just placating the powers that be

[grand flower]

Whatever the circumstance

[thick mango]

i think a lot of people still find stuff to appreciate about life despite tragic circumstances. I think if you ask the average person, even one in bad circumstances, they will be happy they were born

[graceful grove]

100%

[leaden rivet]

I wouldn’t tell a poor person or dictate to them how they should have children but I’d probably say el chapo shouldn’t have children

[grand flower]

Its not a good idea to start attaching implications of morally or ethically barring people from having children

Because then you end up with the powers that be abusing that for eugenics and shit like that

[leaden rivet]

Well this isn’t a legal thing, you shouldn’t be legally barred from having children under any circumstance (with consenting adults) this is a moral thing

[thick mango]

like youre projecting onto luffy it being so horrible that hes not raised by his dad and having a target on his back but luffy has never expressed anything even close to that sentiment. Luffy seems very happy to be alive despite these things

[barren token]

I mean this is all assuming dragon and the mother sat down and decided to have a baby

[grand flower]

You want an ethnostate? Start spreading dogmas that certain conditions in life justify telling people they shouldn't have kids

Then start implementing systemic instutions so the people you want gone are in those conditions

It's a stupid dogma

[stone terrace]

He takes responsibility as soon as he sleeps with someone

Whether it was planned or not

[barren token]

So dragon can't fuck?

[leaden rivet]

Saying it’s morally wrong for a world wide criminal to have kids isn’t saying he shouldn’t be legally allowed to

[pine scaffold]

its over.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/rubber-trojan-condom-gif-8867852

[barren token]

If you want to stand against the wg you have to be an incel.

[steel stirrup]

😭

[leaden rivet]

Once you mix the moral and the legal you kind of lose the point

[thick mango]

im not talking legally, its the moral wrong that i disagree with

[strange grail]

Disagree! Dragons mistake was not making Luffy, it’s everything he did after he was born that was wrong!

[thick mango]

whos harmed here exactly?

luffy wouldnt say hes been harmed

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I’m speaking to Shuron

I haven’t read anything you said yet

[grand flower]

It doesn't really matter because it's still harmful to start making associations with who is morally acceptable to have kids and who isn't. Even if you don't make it outright illegal, you create social stigmas with arguments of morality as well

Look how much queer people continue to endure because of moral arguments even after legal rights have been implemented

It's just not a good idea

[leaden rivet]

This is an exceptional case rather than a regular one

[graceful grove]

no one is trying to police who should have kids. it's about accountability. if you are a man that about to die in few months but choose to have a kid anyway and that kid is going to suffer for rest of his life just because he is related to you, how can anyone justify it?

[barren token]

Dragon is morally wrong for having sex before marriage

[steel stirrup]

This the debate?

[torn ferry]

TRUE

[iron oriole]

Who says they're not married smh

[stone terrace]

That i can drink to

[steel stirrup]

Prost

[grand flower]

I'm not saying you can justify it. What I'm saying is that ascribing moral condemnations to is a bad thing because it's too blatant a gateway for systemic abuse. It simply is what it is

[thick mango]

would luffy say hes suffering? Would luffy say that suffering is so great he wishes he werent born? The only hypothetical victim in this situation is luffy, and luffy wouldnt call himself a victim or choose the universe where he never existed

[grand flower]

In this situation, energy is better spent creating a society where that child doesn't have to suffer because a parent dies

You also just can't morally police sex between two consenting adults, even in this circumstance

There's just no solid gateway for this and a whole lot of bad ahead

[steel stirrup]

Good Lord

[grand flower]

You know what the word "also" means right?

I didn't say you said this

[leaden rivet]

Why not the both Shuron? Once again this is an exceptional case where dragon is leading an exceptionally harmful life, it’s similar with Roger and rouge, I think it was morally wrong for Roger as he knew for a fact that rouge would get hunted and murdered as well as Ace as well

[solid mantle]

Why does #also-manga look like #manga all of a sudden?

[steel stirrup]

I am but a spectator

[leaden rivet]

Also manga and manga were never really that different anyway

[grand flower]

Go back to that

[solid mantle]

I'm here for the chaos tho

[steel stirrup]

I haven't said anything yet

[solid mantle]

[steel stirrup]

Sharon calm yo ass down

[barren token]

Why are we assuming dragon didn't pull out but she still got pregnant anyway

[steel stirrup]

Wicked

[solid mantle]

woah, okay, let's draw the line.

[steel stirrup]

You really invested in this argument huh

Don't get cussed out tho love

[leaden rivet]

Sigh this discussion is going nowhere lets go back to rocks morality scaling

[steel stirrup]

Did nothing wrong

[leaden rivet]

Erm Rocks hitting Loki bad!

[grand flower]

I said why. Because it opens the gateway for people to start deciding what conditions you can ascribe moral condemnation to toward people who have kids

[thick mango]

To say its immoral to have kids because of whatever circumstances is saying you think those circumstances are so terrible that it would be better if that person were never born. And thats wild when the actual person wouldnt agree with that, youre telling them sorry you live a happy and fufilling life, but without a present father, its not a life worth living, you parents shouldnt have made you

[steel stirrup]

Lil nigga was asking for it

[stone terrace]

Immoral decisions can result in good outcomes though

[leaden rivet]

And I already said this is an exceptional case

[grand flower]

go ahead and start cussing

[stone terrace]

I dont look at outcomes when i judge decisions

[steel stirrup]

Did you win son?

[grand flower]

But not neglible

[stone terrace]

If you hit a button with a 99% chance of killing everyone on earth but a 1% chance of ending world hunger im gonna say what the fuck dude even if we all survived

[grand flower]

You're threatening me with a cussing out, of all things, after I stopped replying to you

And you think you're in that position?

[steel stirrup]

I'm asking if you won the debate

Im off that

[leaden rivet]

It’s not really saying they would better off being born. That’s more hindsight than anything and doesn’t really mean anything for the moral factor. Someone that doesn’t exist won’t miss not being alive.

[steel stirrup]

Threatened?

On Discord?

How i do that?

[thick mango]

i guess where i disagree is that missing a present father or even a notorious father that might put a a target on your back doesnt put you anywhere close to 51% of a life of suffering that would be better not having been lived

[leaden rivet]

Discord beef

[grand flower]

I don't see anything good from having a standard of what conditions people are allowed to have children in

[steel stirrup]

Thats a crazy situation tho

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think there’s such thing as someone better off alive or dead, as being non existent means you’re not missing out on anything anyway. If Luffy didn’t exist he just wouldn’t exist.

That’s all

[grand flower]

Idk Theres worse things than death

[spice cairn]

https://x.com/taoru0239/status/1978451460250628486?t=S-Wz5MGtJbC7dV29ZL4Wmg&s=19

たおる (@taoru0239)

X · Oct 15, 2025, 1:22 PM

[steel stirrup]

My Queen

[grand flower]

Mustache outside her mask is so funny

[graceful grove]

what happened to Rogue, ace, WB pirates and the countless pregnant woman that died?
just because Luffy seems ok for now, that don't make it right.

[spice cairn]

Smoking the kush while masked up is amazing

[grand flower]

You know Ulti got that zaza

[steel stirrup]

Zaza demon pack

Thru the mask is wild

[grand flower]

Shit so dank it smells like it grew on punk hazard

[thick mango]

thats on the wg, not roger

[graceful grove]

it is 100% on him

[thick mango]

its not a fact of nature that that needed to happen

[steel stirrup]

Ulti smoking that Who's Who pack

[ornate tartan]

sometimes #manga turns into piratefolk 2.0😂 but most of the time it’s normal

[steel stirrup]

It get real out here

[thick mango]

and i think it would be wrong to accept the desires of the evil of the world as if theyre a fact of nature

[graceful grove]

that's not what this is

[alpine trench]

Fellas

[steel stirrup]

Harsh

[grand flower]

Going back in time and telling every pregnant black woman in the KKK south shes going to hell

[alpine trench]

What’s up

Damn

[steel stirrup]

Jesus fuck

[alpine trench]

That’s a wild first message to read in this channel

LOL

[grand flower]

“#alsomanga said you’re morally wrong for this”

[leaden rivet]

Ohhhhhhhhhh brother

[steel stirrup]

😭

[grand flower]

Nah she knows there’s a target on her back right?

And that her child will inherit it?

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-no-hu-what-popcorn-gif-12325900934325026511

[leaden rivet]

Do you guys think Eris and Robin are related?

[ornate tartan]

damn bro

[alpine trench]

Jeez

[steel stirrup]

Atp yes

[leaden rivet]

Put your slots in

[glass plume]

definitely not

[leaden rivet]

So we can look back and see who was making fun of it

[steel stirrup]

Im all in on yes fuck it

Screenshot this

[ornate tartan]

i don’t think so
but anything is possible

[thick mango]

nah oda just draws women similarly

unless theyer old

[glass plume]

it would be really strange if Marshall is another fake name

Eris should just be from Lulusia and be a Marshall D. member

no need to make her connected with Ohara

[steel stirrup]

Might not have the same surname but still be related you never know

[warm falcon]

someone has the Imu blushing edit? my dog is asking

[spice cairn]

Your dog?

[steel stirrup]

Robin's face card is unique so seeing it again on someone who isn't her aunt is crazy

[steel stirrup]

Which one

[warm falcon]

hi rich~~
from the last chapter mainly
all the edits

[barren token]

There's atleast 6 robins

[steel stirrup]

Hey Cristie

[steel stirrup]

Where

[barren token]

Robin oliva Boa Monet hiyori eris

[ornate tartan]

none of them look alike

[steel stirrup]

Monet???

[barren token]

Boa is more Robin than Robin is

[steel stirrup]

Hiyori???

Is this Fujitora im talking to?

[barren token]

Monet is literally green robin

[steel stirrup]

They do not look like Robin

[ornate tartan]

Robin and Boa don’t look the same at all, only hair color

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[steel stirrup]

At all

[warm falcon]

thanks!

[steel stirrup]

Not even a little bit

What is bro on

[barren token]

Are you insane

[stone terrace]

The eyes matter

[steel stirrup]

Yes but thats besides the point

[ornate tartan]

and you can tell when it’s hancock vs when it’s robin, her hair looks like it’s shining almost

[steel stirrup]

They do not look alike fam

At all

I heavily disagree

[barren token]

They look as alike as nami clones look like nami

[steel stirrup]

Nami clones are Nami clones

Robin's face card is unique

[proud pivot]

What has break week done 🥀

[steel stirrup]

Other than her aunt and now Eris

Yea idk what you on bro😭

[tulip turtle]

Does the break week frighten you that much?!?

[barren token]

Robin isn't the special little girl you think she is

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/raeswae-regular-show-gif-22455382

[steel stirrup]

Not saying shes some special protected design

But all those women you listed look nothing like her

[barren token]

Monet is green robin

The only one that isn't actually robin is hiyori I just said that because I needed a 6th

[steel stirrup]

Hiyori doesn't look anything like her

[tulip turtle]

Lore Accurate ship

[steel stirrup]

Monet I'll give you that

The others on that list

Nah

Boa and Robin look nothing alike

They have black hair and big heads and thats where it ends

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19492887

[barren token]

Boa is just robin with a larger forehead im sorry

[stone terrace]

No

[steel stirrup]

No

No no

[torn ferry]

speaking of robin

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/boa-hancock-warlord-of-the-sea-pirate-empress-pretty-beautiful-gif-12976521708160956176

[random hinge]

fun fact the reason why all the women in one piece look the same is because oda designed them after me

[torn ferry]

what is it about the current bangs that makes them look different from the pre ts ones

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-3819069894173103511

[barren token]

Oda has met two women in his life

[steel stirrup]

They literally look nothing alike

[barren token]

One looked like nami the other robin

[steel stirrup]

I dont see it

[torn ferry]

like i can tell the bangs are different but theyre the same bangs why do they look different

[steel stirrup]

Similar noses and thats it

[graceful grove]

is this what they call love haki?

[barren token]

Oda made a silly mistake and drew robin 3 times in this colour spread

[ornate tartan]

so which one of them looked like kokoro 😂✌🏽

[steel stirrup]

I see three Nami's

A Perona

And a Robin

[barren token]

Deflection

[steel stirrup]

And a Big Mom

[stone terrace]

Ive seen that quite a few times but this is my furst time seeing chopper

[steel stirrup]

Agree to disagree

[barren token]

Too busy looking at big mom is get it

[warm falcon]

advanced garchu technique

[pine scaffold]

Are you enjoying God Valley

[barren token]

No I hate one piece

[steel stirrup]

Enpress

Lmaoo

[proud pivot]

I was enjoying untill Onepiece went monthly

[steel stirrup]

Shueisha dont give a fuck do they

Enpress

[vale heath]

I like women

[formal wagon]

enpressive

[formal wagon]

someitmes. good question.

[warm falcon]

the most prolific user of Love Conqueror Haki: Scopper Gabin [yeah the guy is "french"]

[runic dock]

Masochists in the chat today

[random hinge]

kiku was snubbed

[runic dock]

Enpres D Tar

[formal wagon]

who's kiku

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-tweaking-im-done-this-fucking-guy-enxliv-gif-9697787287192308241

[runic dock]

Like zoro but more personality

[brittle basin]

True. She's quite in fact a demon child of Ohara and must be exterminated with the rest of her law breaking ilk.

[barren token]

So fucking true

[steel stirrup]

Mailbox you tryna fight?

We can fight

[runic dock]

The law is the law

[formal wagon]

okay 😃

[runic dock]

It’s there for a reason

[steel stirrup]

Square up

[runic dock]

Some people just don’t get it

[proud pivot]

One man already did that

[random hinge]

daimyo of ringo

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gif-26920879

[steel stirrup]

Ari

[proud pivot]

The goat

[steel stirrup]

Ari

[formal wagon]

🟦🔼

[proud pivot]

Yes?

[steel stirrup]

No

[runic dock]

Blue square up

[proud pivot]

What

[random hinge]

where's the version of this where he's bald

[runic dock]

Baldkainu

[formal wagon]

goatgoatgoatgoatgoat

[brittle basin]

Hey, man, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Simple.

[steel stirrup]

Get Nash here now

[runic dock]

Exactly!!

Someone gets it

[tulip turtle]

Vinsmoke Romeo upscale

[grand flower]

Lmaooooo

[proud pivot]

Oh no

[grand flower]

Bruh

[proud pivot]

He has an upscale image now

[grand flower]

Dread it

Run from it

[formal wagon]

to usscale or to not to be

[grand flower]

Destiny upscales all the same

[steel stirrup]

Its about time

What took so damn long

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/vinsmoke-romeo-vinsmoke-romeo-one-piece-sanji-gif-11861006376374880444

[runic dock]

The only credit with any value

[warm falcon]

hotter than ice

[random hinge]

oh ew ai video

[grand flower]

So gross

[ornate tartan]

AI 💔

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-robot-artificial-intelligent-intelligence-gif-686930328104531127

[runic dock]

Someone had to animate romeo and it wasn’t gonna be anyone with talent

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-eating-spaghetti-will-smith-spaghetti-ai-gif-12546117032276153065

[runic dock]

Let’s be real

[steel stirrup]

Its still time to delete that

[urban lodge]

He's giving us his cough germs, that's why it's called germa

[steel stirrup]

It's not too late

[brittle basin]

the will smith was the pinnacle of ai videos. it was all downhill after that.

[steel stirrup]

Pinnacle huh

That was the peak

That

[runic dock]

Back when ai still had trouble with hands

[brittle basin]

the worse it is, the better it is. pure logic

[runic dock]

Such nostalgia

[steel stirrup]

And object permanence

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-ai-generated-shitpost-ai-shitpost-ai-rock-gif-1814656992292697176

[fallen meteor]

mfer coughs and offers it to you

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-will-smith-ahhh-gif-13473567

[steel stirrup]

Lmaooo

[stone terrace]

Ai did this one well

[proud pivot]

Press X to accept it
Press Y to accept it

[runic dock]

That’s ai?

Holy

We’re cooked

[warm falcon]

i was reading that Japan is pressing the OpenAI "animes are a damn treasure"

[fallen meteor]

i was laughing so hard when people were treating the old rock lady as a terrorist on twitter

[steel stirrup]

shuts off console

[barren token]

Ai peaked with will Smith eating spaghetti

[brittle basin]

the future is bland. instead of Metal Gear Rex, I get confusing videos.

[runic dock]

This is an AI comment

[steel stirrup]

Thats the 2nd time I've heard that today

[random hinge]

i like the gif that fats sends sometimes about the guy kicking the homeless dog

[runic dock]

Cause it’s AI

[grand flower]

No lmao

[barren token]

Because it's that good

[warm falcon]

you are all AI people

[brittle basin]

ur just a bot who copies me 2 minutes later

[vale heath]

But why is the metal gear rising

[runic dock]

Are you sure? Cunk is gaslighting me , or you

[vale heath]

Where is it going??

[steel stirrup]

You all?

[runic dock]

It can’t be both

[haughty saddle]

Remember in the 2000s when the conservative’s big issue with gay folks was that their children wouldn’t grow up with examples of masculinity and femininity and therefore were inherently abused? That’s how you make the jump from “concerned about children’s wellbeing” to “I hate these people and want them wiped out” with a light hop.

[barren token]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-eating-spaghetti-will-smith-spaghetti-ai-gif-12546117032276153065

[random hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875530929228091452/1394516546793246862/brandbird.gif?ex=68f10afd&is=68efb97d&hm=a80d22abd944cbd4641eedc69cfe5aadd48780da1f2c4b53533a568fd7bbca2a&=&width=570&height=570

[steel stirrup]

Yes

[mighty shell]

boa hancock

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[grand flower]

We should beat up Cunk like that forest demon in smiling friends

[fallen meteor]

this one is so funny

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cooking-fries-ai-cat-mcdonald's-gif-15253947472684078251

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-ai-ai-generated-meditating-meditation-gif-18095224631246000990

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-cat-ai-cat-cat-ai-monkey-steals-cat-hair-gif-16280488597587939992

i like this one too

[runic dock]

Bro is actually a bot holy shit

[brittle basin]

new zoan

[runic dock]

Mods?

[random hinge]

listen ok

i hate ai

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-luffy-akainu-sakazuki-gif-12539038145675954246

[random hinge]

like, i HATE it