also-manga

[pine scaffold]

which lets be real is way better than outside world content

[urban lodge]

No

[glass plume]

also another question which i hope we'll get a proper answer to is why Blackbeard so desperately wants to be king of the world, like i hope there's a plan for afterwards and not just "boundless chaos"

[trim lily]

his dad wanted to be

[urban lodge]

Revenge for daddy

[glass plume]

yeah but does he know why his dad wanted it?

[trim lily]

maybe one day we'll learn

[icy wolf]

holy shit hes ugly

[golden valley]

Just a bad pic

[sweet anvil]

This can’t be real bro

[grand flower]

It’s why I gravitate to the idea that Nikas heartbeat could reverse it. Dorry and Brogy were overwhelmed with joy and couldn’t help themselves from dancing when they heard it

Joy Boy

[glass plume]

Xebec probably, and i go off of a heavy assumption but he probably wanted it since he knew that it was a bad cycle

[pine scaffold]

We're gonna get lots of Imu info next chap

[trim lily]

considering he calls imu the world this chapter he might genuinely just want to beat imu

[icy wolf]

its when dragon beats 12 year old sabo

[glass plume]

if anything i feel like Dragon understands Xebec more-so than Blackbeard does, lol

[golden valley]

“Dragon is Ugly”
Meanwhile, Dragon in Wano:

[grand flower]

He wants his powers

[trim lily]

i dont think i can buy that

[pine scaffold]

bro wtf is this

its killing me

[golden valley]

Dragon in wano

[grand flower]

Well what else are they gonna call Imu “the world” for? It’s Imus powers.

[glossy spire]

Considering one of BB’s personalities behaves just like Rocks, and the other strongly seems to behave like what we’ve seen of his mother, I think BB is very in the know

[glass plume]

i don't really buy the whole thing with greed being Blackbeard's only motivator

i hope it's something more

[trim lily]

imu essentially controls the world

[sweet anvil]

Before vs previously

[trim lily]

they are what dictates the world right now

[ruby moat]

"bb steals imu's power" is sooooo olame

[glossy spire]

BB is playing on New Game +

[grand flower]

And the means of that is the power set he has

[trim lily]

alright

[grand flower]

Is that just not true lol

[sweet anvil]

So imu is the earth god right

[pine scaffold]

if its a df, Imu is done for

[sweet anvil]

Which would be a df

[pine scaffold]

u just give up at that point

[glass plume]

well that's another thing then, i don't think that Xebec would be willing to send off slaves to auctions which the Celestial Dragons are directly happy for

[sweet anvil]

Aka a Blackbeard upscale

[ruby moat]

Imu's power being a fruit is also weird... like it's just the definitive greatest most powerful insane OP fruit in the world no contest

[grand flower]

The “earth god” is just how ancient people recorded a volcanic cataclysm that created the red line

[trim lily]

its a factor, but i meant more politically

[warm falcon]

precisely

[pine scaffold]

it could be the first ever fruit

[grand flower]

That political power necessitates the might Imu possesses first

[pine scaffold]

so maybe thats why its broken

idk

[ruby moat]

maybe.. im not a huge fan of that much power being caused by a single devil fruit tho personally

[grand flower]

Blackbeard wants to assume Imus position. But Imus position is significantly dependent on these Abyss powers

[golden valley]

Thats why it dont gotta be a df

[pine scaffold]

tbh mythical zoans are busted

[brittle basin]

Imu has demonic power either from the devil (deal with the devil? source of devil fruits?), or became the devil somehow.

[pine scaffold]

like take a step back and look at how OP mythical zoans are

[warm falcon]

damn, we think alike

[sweet anvil]

Well at some point I believe people’s perceptions and desires turned it into a real devil fruit which imu consumed in the second world

[glossy spire]

From what I gather of the BB we met on Jaya, he seems to want Imu’s place so that his dream will never die. We also know he desperately wants immortality. He definitely has a different vision of the world than the one Imu created, but it doesn’t sound much better since his philosophy is might makes right

[pine scaffold]

Gear 5 is pretty much toon force

[ornate tartan]

imu power doesn’t come from a fruit, it comes from magic

his power will come from a vegetable before it comes from a fruit, his name backwards means Sea

[ruby moat]

aside from luffy's who has power that could even come close to being as strong as imu's

[grand flower]

Yeah a lot of the lines there are metaphors for magma causing ash to block out the sun and forming into the red line

[glass plume]

yeah, so it's just greed like i feared and he has nothing to actually achieve afterwards other than his selfish ambitions

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/1145-one-piece-egghead-gear-5-baseball-gif-11559567928260377006

[pine scaffold]

Kaido's fruit allowed him to levitate islands

thats broken as hell

[ruby moat]

and i dont really buy that g5 has like actual toon force, as far as im concerned in a combat situation, it just rubberizes shit (including the enemy)

it has toon force-ish things in comedy moments

[warm falcon]

and they will not meet, cause Red Line is the cause

[ruby moat]

but even then its quite watered down

[grand flower]

I think the second world is about Imus origins being the Abyss

[glossy spire]

I think there’s more depth to him than that for sure, but also don’t treat my theories as gospel I’m probably way wrong lmao

[ornate tartan]

this is impossible

just because we haven’t seen the extent of the nika fruit power doesn’t mean it just rubberizes

[grand flower]

And he wasn’t even awakened

[warm falcon]

the second world is the hardest to interpret

[ornate tartan]

that’s only a property of the fruit

[glass plume]

some of this is hard to explain with just "rubberizing" lol

[pine scaffold]

I think Kaido could probably levitate multiple islands at once

[glass plume]

gear 5 is probably just meant to be a cartoon power

[pine scaffold]

if he can maintain one island while fighting everyone

[ruby moat]

these are all gags tho

[glass plume]

i think they're more than gags when it comes to gear 5

[ruby moat]

sure the bat was sorta used in combat but he did grab a tree to make it

[pine scaffold]

Maybe he can do multiple

[glass plume]

if they were gags we'd see them just as much when Luffy isn't in gear 5

[glossy spire]

Gear 5 is like one step below realizing you’re in a manga. It’s absolutely tune force imo

[ornate tartan]

there is still so much left to know from the Nika fruit and what it can truly do

[ruby moat]

no we wouldnt

they are gags that happen when he uses g5

[glass plume]

lmfao, all our assumptions will probably look silly when it's all said and done

[pine scaffold]

Toon force in OP is just ''Nika's fantasy''

what Oda said btw

[warm falcon]

but i think like this:
you have the main line:
and you have many subplots and paralells

the main line is surely the Mother Nature punishing the abuse of Power with the cataclisms, among them the magma leaking

[urban lodge]

It's a gag but it's still happening in universe because of his power

[grand flower]

I thought he just rubberized the cloud into a bat at first and hardened it with Haki, but Oda said the Hagoromo was “the gateway to Nika’s imagination” or something like that

Who knows what this means

[golden valley]

His body parts literally came off

[glass plume]

i don't think it's a reason to write them off as gags, when they're that specific for a transformation lol

[ruby moat]

they are jokes

[pine scaffold]

Oda has given an explanation of it

[golden valley]

And the giants caught it

[pine scaffold]

its not a joke

[grand flower]

I wonder if that was the result of the rebellion going wrong. Fucking up the machinery or something

[golden valley]

And we know nika powers is just imagination powers

They aint gags

Well, non-literal gags anyway

[glass plume]

i think it's literally just Oda saying that Luffy has the imagination of a toonforce character, hence he has the powers of let's say the old classic cartoons, since Oda loves drawing that type of slapstick comedy into his fights

[ornate tartan]

for Joyboy to be on par with someone as ridiculously busted as Imu, his Imagination Nika fruit will have to be just as haxed and ridiculous

You cannot generalize G5 abilities to just “rubberizing” when this is only a property of the fruit

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/bugsbunny-florida-saw-cut-island-gif-5578844

[ruby moat]

maybe gag is the wrong term, "comedic moment" may be better

[glass plume]

i wouldn't be surprised if Luffy ends up sawing away an island at some point, lmfao

[urban lodge]

Yeah it's definitely more than rubberizing

[ruby moat]

its more than rubberizing, for comedic moments

[glass plume]

i don't think it's just for comedic effect tho

[ornate tartan]

the Nika fruit gives the user the properties of rubber, that’s it

[ruby moat]

he's yet to do some toon force-y shit for the sake of attacking an opponent

[ornate tartan]

that’s not the fruit power

[grand flower]

I think the awakening takes a myth zoans powers into a more fantastical level as a power boost

[ruby moat]

all g5 attacks are simply rubberizing the opponent or rubberizing something

[golden valley]

That’s inherently the nature of G5 tho. Comedic tones

[glossy spire]

Brook is gonna end up actually being Davy Jones and will be the most crucial piece to ending this 800 year war. Him and Luffy both heal bones with milk. It all connects!

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-gif-26054360

[ornate tartan]

yeah this makes sense

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-pizzeria-luffy-making-kizaru-and-saturn-pizzas-luffy-pizza-spinning-and-twirling-luffy-the-master-of-pizza-spinning-gif-288654825146572683

[brittle basin]

How far would Luffy have to go until they are no longer gags?

[ruby moat]

they are rubberized

[pine scaffold]

I think reality warping

[trim lily]

i think what luffy can do is pretty obviously past the point of just rubber now

he can fly

[glass plume]

i'd say it's more than just rubberized atp, but sure

[brittle basin]

what if he did something like just summon a rifle and shoot someone, actually damaging them?

[ornate tartan]

he still names all of his attacks gum gum something and just sticks dawn in front of them

[trim lily]

he embodies whatever the mythical nika can do, basically the freedom to do whatever

[grand flower]

G5 lets Luffy take the gags that we saw before that were immaterial/“non-canon,” and makes them material/canon

[glossy spire]

He materialized a baseball bat and painted it like he’s bugs bunny before wrecking his opponents with a home run. How does that not qualify?

[golden valley]

Luffy gave Kaido looney tune like damage

[pine scaffold]

Imu did this

LOL

[ruby moat]

he grabbed a tree, he didnt materialize the bat

[pine scaffold]

but yeah that could also count

[brittle basin]

yeah but if luffy does it, is it no longer a gag but a real imagination power?

[glass plume]

essentialy what toonforce is, more or less

[golden valley]

He did materialize the paint

[pine scaffold]

real imagination power

[trim lily]

more or less

[glossy spire]

Okay fair but he materialized the paint and baseball suit!

[ornate tartan]

Real toon force would be something like Luffy ripping part of the manga panel off the side and forming it into a weapon or something he throws at his opponent

[trim lily]

not really

thats something you can do but not the only thing

[ruby moat]

sure, and those things existed to make the scene funnier

[glossy spire]

That’s not at all how you define tune force

[glass plume]

that's more of a wallbreak than toonforce, lol

[urban lodge]

It doesn't have to break the 4th wall to be toon force

[ornate tartan]

yeah meant wall break

[glossy spire]

It can be a part of it ofc but 4th wall breaking isn’t unique to tune force

[warm falcon]

it fits well with the Luddites movement

[pine scaffold]

I LOVE HOW WHEN U TYPE ''TOON FORCE'' IN GIFS ITS ALL GEAR 5

[ornate tartan]

what he did in egghead counts as toon force

[grand flower]

What’s that?

[glass plume]

lmfao, this is a cool page

[ruby moat]

Idk im personally waiting until he uses this "toon-force" in an actual attack to consider it viable when talking about a fight with luffy

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-fan-animation-luffy-gear-5-gif-321176381615755444

[warm falcon]

maybe im mistaken, but i intend to reference to those workers that destroyed the machines during the Industrial Revolution

[grand flower]

I do wanna see Luffy do that thing with the hole

[grand flower]

That’s sumn Oda would reference too

[glass plume]

it's only a matter of time

he already painted the baseball-bat

[glossy spire]

Rubber was always a misdirection. None of his abilities make sense until you look at them thru the context of toon force

[grand flower]

I love the idea of Luffy getting vaporized by an attack then just walking on screen from off-panel like “glad I’m not that guy”

[golden valley]

Lol

[grand flower]

They all do

[glossy spire]

https://tenor.com/view/boxing-tom-and-jerry-jerry-tom-punched-gif-14995820

[golden valley]

Thats great

[pine scaffold]

are we going to see Luffy talk to the reader

like look at us and say something

[golden valley]

G5 hasn’t made me laugh yet but Oda could make funny scenes if he put his all imto it

[urban lodge]

I hope not

[timber glacier]

Luffy body is still rubber

[glass plume]

i'd love it if Luffy literally made a hole that he fell through to the next panel, effectively dodging a laster beam or something

[brittle basin]

"Oda is a hack"

[ornate tartan]

things like these aren’t normal

[timber glacier]

thats just goofy skywalk lmao

[brittle basin]

use the manga instead of the anime please. keep things consistent.

[trim lily]

well i wouldnt go that far, id say everything hes done up to now is rubber

[golden valley]

Actually luffy was cooked by boro breath and charred wasn’t he

[urban lodge]

He does that in the manga too

[timber glacier]

he was

[grand flower]

Toon force lowkey got undeniable when his scars came off

[ornate tartan]

He does it in the manga as well

[glossy spire]

G4 Luffy was replicating limbs. None of this is rubbery. Rubber is just the form that best describes what Nika seemed to behave like

[warm falcon]

Nika is a response to all super serious shounen fans

[brittle basin]

i know, still, use the manga

[ornate tartan]

if it wasn’t in the manga I wouldn’t have used a gif of it

[golden valley]

https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics/1045-010.png

[wet heron]

Same af the Rocks reveal episode will break the internet

[grand flower]

“Dont worry about it” may be the point tbh

[timber glacier]

??? G4 was just punching fast

[grand flower]

It’s freedom after all

[glass plume]

i love the detail that he actually pulled these goggles from the swirls in his hair

[golden valley]

And he just shakes it off

[glass plume]

the swirls serve a function to him

[brittle basin]

this is the biggest example of imagination i think.

[glass plume]

yeah this and the baseball bat

[wet heron]

kino af

[glass plume]

with imaginary paint

[golden valley]

Well, the argument was luffy just made rubber goggles

[grand flower]

Yeah the paint is really interesting

[golden valley]

The most clear is the paint

[ruby moat]

rubber paint

[pine scaffold]

I hate how the paint is randomly gold in the anime

[brittle basin]

he did. but he made something is what's important

[pine scaffold]

like come on man

[glass plume]

he literally just picked up a tree and then from outta nowhere he had a brush in hand, lol

[grand flower]

Mihawk save

[pine scaffold]

Toei saved Mihawk there

they cant let a future Zoro victim look bad

[grand flower]

It had to be anything but black, blue, purple or red

[wet heron]

this guy always cooks ngl

[glass plume]

this is the closest to 4th wallbreak i'd argue

[warm falcon]

isnt there some Oneshot by Oda with a Pencil of Fate or something?

[grand flower]

This one is crazy

[warm falcon]

that God missed it

[glass plume]

yeah frfr

[ornate tartan]

he materialized paint

[timber glacier]

tbh we didn't see him spawn the paint it could have just been their to finish the bit

[brittle basin]

"damn. almost lost my ptsd scar"

[warm falcon]

Boargramps was doing him a favour

[golden valley]

I do wanna know what happens if he peels off his scar in G5 and then reverts back to base

[glass plume]

that would be interesting to see, lol

part of me thinks that it would function as a heal, lol

like if he removes the injury in gear 5, they're permanently gone

[golden valley]

IIIRC Luffy still has some aspects of his g5 gag effects in base

[glass plume]

to a much lesser degree yeah

[golden valley]

So he probably could just pop it back on

[glass plume]

that's when it's all 100% just rubber effects

[golden valley]

Im referring to the eye popping thing

Cuz he does it when talking to kid while not using G5

[ornate tartan]

the most unique zoan in the series and most complex devil fruit

[brittle basin]

The Most Goda thing Oda could do: Have Luffy put his scar on someone else and they get the PTSD instead, emotionally crippling them in combat.

[timber glacier]

So does Buggy when seeing his ship its just a gag

[glass plume]

that can be accounted for just being rubber

considering that his eyes pretty much just stretch outwards, no?

[golden valley]

It’s visually different im pretty sure

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-sanji-usopp-falling-from-sky-island-sky-gif-25220164

[ornate tartan]

he doesn’t have a hybrid form like normal zoan users, and he has both zoan and paramecia awakening properties

[golden valley]

G5 eye popping is usually depicted differently

[glass plume]

lmfao Usopp here is scary

wonder why they made Usopp different to the others

[timber glacier]

not really

[glass plume]

must be a toei decision, right?

[glass plume]

the Buggy one explains itself tho, considering his fruit is literally just splitting his body apart

[timber glacier]

i guess

[glass plume]

then again i wouldn't doubt Buggy getting an awakening similair to gear 5, lol

[golden valley]

Buggys literally isn’t the same lol

[glass plume]

i could definitely see Buggy ending up mirroring gear 5 with his own transformation

[golden valley]

Theres a trail of eye popping that Oda does with G5

[glass plume]

Luffy based off of rubber and Buggy based off of splitting

Luffy stretching and Buggy detaching

[golden valley]

Thats the different visual depiction im talking about

Buggy’s seems more gag like but he probably can detach his eyes

[timber glacier]

doubt Oda retconned Luffys fruit to fit Luffys themes. Don't really he will awaken Buggys fruit to fit the falling upward thing

[glass plume]

Buggy essentialy is a mirror to Luffy in almost every way already

[golden valley]

Thats honestly lame. Buggy should just be a basic paramecia turned Op

[glass plume]

i mean, people thought the same about Luffy

[tranquil blade]

It probably is a basic paramecia

[tranquil blade]

However Buggy is still gonna be very very important

[ornate tartan]

buggy is important but not for power reason, his DF doesn’t have to end up being special

[glass plume]

honestly, i'd argue that Buggy is a bigger parallel to Luffy than even Blackbeard is

hot take i know

[grand flower]

Rocks, Roger and Garp vs Imu

Teach, Luffy and Koby vs Imu

@haughty saddle

[timber glacier]

Luffy and Buggy have parallels but not as much as BB

[glass plume]

i disagree, lol

[knotty dove]

Buggys is gonna redeem himself in the future

[urban lodge]

Buggy is Rocks' real successor

[golden valley]

This is where Buggy disrespect needs to be put into the fhat

[frigid gulch]

Buggy is Rocks

[golden valley]

Never disrespect rocks like that

[knotty dove]

Buggy is rocks father. He time travelled

[golden valley]

And Buggy is too bitch made to be a rock’s successor

[tranquil blade]

Cross Guild is an inversion as well as a parallel to the Rocks pirates

[spice cairn]

So is Teech

But look where we are

[golden valley]

Most disrespectful thing ever said about xebec

[spice cairn]

[golden valley]

You lost ur mind

[urban lodge]

It's true

[spice cairn]

I love Teech but hes a bitch

Im sorry

[glass plume]

Luffy believes in himself, Buggy doubts himself
Luffy stretches, Buggy detatches (both forms of cartoon-comedic effects)
Luffy had a paramecia, Buggy has a paramecia
Luffy attracts people by not trying, Buggy attracts people by trying
Luffy doesn't hide anything, Buggy hides alot of things

that's a few of the things i've thought of

[knotty dove]

Mihawk has ultimate respect for his captain.

[golden valley]

Blackbeard made his way to the top by not being a bitch. He put sweat and blood to where he is now

[spice cairn]

Rocks being so manly in comparison sort of puts Teech into prespective

[golden valley]

Bitch made pirates wouldn’t have the balls to do what bb does

[knotty dove]

Buggy did more than him.

[golden valley]

Boi what

[knotty dove]

Even crocodile bows in front of buggy

[glossy spire]

I always interpreted this moment as right before unleashing his attacks. But clearly I could be quite wrong. It’s weird framing for me to take this as merely an illusion of speed, so at least sharing where my head is at

[glass plume]

oh yeah that's another thing
Luffy's crew relies on Luffy as much as Luffy relies on them, Buggy's crew uses him as much as Buggy can use them

[golden valley]

Yeah, speed reader

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/cidades_art/status/1978148496847855856?s=46

Cidades (@Cidades_Art)

WHAT IF ?
luffy vs katakuri !
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X · Oct 14, 2025, 5:18 PM

[ruby moat]

sweat, blood, and child slaves

[tranquil blade]

My hot take is that Buggy will be the third most important pirate in the final war just behind Teach and Luffy, and will be top 5 most important overall

[spice cairn]

Buggy barely has any power dynamic

Croc and Mihawk completely dogwalk him

[knotty dove]

Mr 3 is the zoro of cross guild

[tranquil blade]

Kaido honestly saved Luffy by eating that fruit

[golden valley]

Yeah, INSANE hot take. Lets put that away deep into the OP takes bag, hm?

[ornate tartan]

there is no way u forgot the first pirate we ever saw in the series

😂

[tranquil blade]

Roger wont be in the final war

He's dead

[glossy spire]

Power comes in more forms than might, tho. That’s how Buggy overpowered both of them, not via might, but thru inspiration

[glass plume]

oh right Buggy was the first villain Luffy faced who also had a devil fruit

[knotty dove]

Buggy and Luffy will fight imu in the end

[ornate tartan]

Shanks

[golden valley]

Luffy dies here

[ruby moat]

roger is like first panel first page first chapter

[golden valley]

Cool fanart tho

[knotty dove]

Foreshadowing buggys arrival

[tranquil blade]

It actually is true tho, you're gonna have to face it eventually

[ornate tartan]

If there is any scenario where Buggy is more important to the plot of one piece then Shanks, then I am reading Three Piece not Two Piece

there has to be a point where the agenda has gone too far

[glass plume]

point is, i wouldn't be shocked at all if it ends up being Buggy vs Luffy at the end of it all

[ruby moat]

maybe not more important

but equal importance

is possible

[stone terrace]

Luffy

[golden valley]

I know i never will have to. Top 5 most important MAYBE tho

[jade rain]

And just awakens gear 5 a little earlier

[brittle basin]

did oda ever say buggy was his favorite? or am i misremembering?

[knotty dove]

Buggy is the strongest yonkou currently. His aura makes every crew members bow

[glass plume]

iirc he did say that Buggy is his favorite character

[ornate tartan]

he has 5 different favorite characters

and one of them is gaimon

[glossy spire]

He’s definitely said that of Buggy yeah

[timber glacier]

ya I'm pretty sure its still punching multiple times instead of spawning new arms. Rule of cool or calm before the storm sort of thing. or at least that's how i see it

[frigid gulch]

His favorite right now is Rocks

[glossy spire]

Perhaps so, but it’s not as cut and dry!

[frigid gulch]

[tranquil blade]

The Buggy parallel

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[glass plume]

Luffy, Gaimon or Buggy

one of the three

[golden valley]

Buggy and Aura

[knotty dove]

He has a habit of making soon dead characters aura farming more before their death

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-the-cap-cap-laugh-video-reaction-youtuber-gif-18293251

[knotty dove]

Synonyms

[glossy spire]

Obviously can’t use the anime as a frame of reference to prove my point but in the anime he individually cocks every arm that appears in preparation for the punching blitz

[glass plume]

i mean Buggy's "aura" so to-speak is what has carried him to where he is

[ornate tartan]

buggy hasn’t had aura since his introduction

that first panel in Orange town was cold😂

[timber glacier]

Buggy Bomb scale

[glass plume]

everyone has an aura to them, it can be negative and positive lol

[glossy spire]

Live action buggy oozes aura at least

[urban lodge]

He has aura in universe

[frigid gulch]

What did Oda mean by this

[golden valley]

Buggy is a rocks fan

[knotty dove]

Using ryou/advance arnament even before it was introduced

[urban lodge]

He even mirrored it

[frigid gulch]

[glass plume]

this was such a great moment for Buggy

[urban lodge]

Couldn't have made it more obvious

[golden valley]

It was

[tranquil blade]

I already foresaw what Oda is gonna do with Buggy which is why I'm saying what I'm saying

[golden valley]

If only this was Buggy 24/7

[knotty dove]

Buggy is the aizen of one piece

[glossy spire]

Buggy is Rocks after he was babyfied and joined the Roger crew as a baby. Him and Shanks share the same birthday!

[glass plume]

characters doesn't need to be like that 24/7, lol

[ornate tartan]

why do so many people downplay Shanks narrative importance to the story of One Piece it actually baffles me

you don’t have to like him but damn😂

[timber glacier]

cause of his father

[brittle basin]

i like shanks

[blazing depot]

I’m neutral

[frigid gulch]

Figarats

[golden valley]

Well, i hope ppl who do this aren’t actually serious

[glass plume]

90% of the reason ends up being the agenda Blackbeard fans have against the Shanks fans if you ask me

[glossy spire]

Shanks is a phenomenal character

[knotty dove]

Not more than foxy

[stone terrace]

Never seen anyone downplay shanks' narrative importance

[golden valley]

Rat hair shanks sucks but hes top 3 most important character in current time honestly

[stone terrace]

Its kind of undeniable

[jade rain]

Shanks is like luffy, you don't need to say that he is favourite or important

[glass plume]

the rat slander doesn't even make sense anymore

why are people tugging so hard on it

[knotty dove]

Foxy and moria will join cross guild soon🔥

[golden valley]

He snitched to Whitebeard

[ruby moat]

bc its all they have

[glossy spire]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-foxy-foxy-one-piece-gif-26153232

[glass plume]

about what?

[golden valley]

And theres no proof he didn’t snitch to the gorosei

[ruby moat]

its the only one that stuck even if temporarily and its all they got to slander with

[golden valley]

On Blackbeard

[knotty dove]

He is probably a davy member too.

[golden valley]

Foretold his plans

And motives

[glossy spire]

Probably tbh

[tranquil blade]

I mean technically they never showed the side of his face that has the scar when "he" was talking to the gorosei

[glass plume]

he didn't snitch, he told Whitebeard about his own experiences with Blackbeard to reinforce why he thought that Ace going to face Blackbeard was a bad idea

[knotty dove]

Rocks will die begging in front of imu

[glossy spire]

Foxy was always more important than people gave him credit for imo

[wide star]

yeah we still don’t know for sure if it was shanks or shamrock but after this flashback i’m leaning more towards Shnaks

[golden valley]

he snitched on WB about BB plans and motives

[leaden rivet]

Phenomenal how? lol

[wide star]

I think he told them about his lineage and that’s how saturn knew in egghead

[knotty dove]

His fruit is too op

[stone terrace]

Thread still going strong

[glass plume]

what?

[golden valley]

exactly what i said

[ornate tartan]

you would be suprised, the amount of people who think SHANKS of all people is going to get hypetooled is crazy😂

this is the guy who started our entire story for the main character and the reunion of those 2 and returning the strawhat has been built up for 27+ years

[golden valley]

“I’m telling the gorosei” is phenomenal

[tranquil blade]

Shanks is okay but he'll be pretty good when his character is actually completed

[leaden rivet]

Still getting hype tooled

[wide star]

Shnaks will always look goated , even when he eventually loses to Blackbeard , he’ll go out with a bang

[glass plume]

all Shanks did was warn Whitebeard of what ended up becoming truth

[ornate tartan]

see what I mean^😂😂

[knotty dove]

Dragon orchestrated it.

[glass plume]

Shanks didn't snitch at all if you ask me

[leaden rivet]

You saying shanks is ok….hurts my soul, even a little bit.

[wide star]

Shanks vs Blackbeard is destined to happen .. denying that is just delusion lol

[leaden rivet]

[golden valley]

So he snitched…

[glossy spire]

Him getting that attack off on Shanks is why I think Rocks is New Game Plusing via Teach. That’d be so OP in this world to retain all your experience like that, and would easily explain why Shanks was no match back then

[ruby moat]

ppl are butchering what "snitch" means so they can stretch it to include anything shanks does

[leaden rivet]

Ts is so ass

[glass plume]

it's not snitching, lmfao

[knotty dove]

Shanks is just too overrated

[ruby moat]

all to hold on to the rat meme

[ornate tartan]

the day shanks gets hypetooled is the day Oda is kidnapped and thrown in a cell and a imposter is finishing the series for him

[wide star]

lol i feel like people only do this cause they don’t wanna accept the fact that no DF Blackbeard was strong enough to scar Shanks lol “ he’s a coward , it’s no way he can do that “

[glass plume]

this fandom has butchered almost every term at this point, lmfao

[golden valley]

what does snitch mean

[glossy spire]

You could just reply to me instead you know

[ruby moat]

do u want the dictionary definition or the way its used in real life

[knotty dove]

With Funny example

[short breach]

didnt he have darkness fruit

[wide star]

it wasn’t only referring to you , in the other manga chat his same convo was just going on with people saying it’s no way Teach with no DF & no crew was able to scar Shnaks unless it was Rocks

[golden valley]

he hasn’t been cleared up for his alleged meet up with the Gorosei

[wide star]

nah he left the ship as soon as he got that fruit

[ruby moat]

also snitch and rat are pretty different themselves

[wide star]

he killed thatch , took the fruit then left

[golden valley]

The definition of snitching

[short breach]

oh i see i thought he fought shanks after he left

[tranquil blade]

No he fought Shanks years before he got the fruit

[golden valley]

The rat stuff stems from the gorosei meetup, allegedly

[short breach]

🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️ i see i see

[ruby moat]

if that was shanks, it wouldnt be ratting

[golden valley]

Depends on the context and who hes talking about lol

[glass plume]

snitching to me is if Shanks had a relatively good relation with Blackbeard and still decided to depart information which could harm him

[ruby moat]

nah, whoever it was went to the gorosei

[glass plume]

but hey, there's many interpretations of the word I guess

[wide star]

lmao your relationship with someone is irrelevant to snitching

you can snitch on your biggest opp

[glossy spire]

I’m not trying to downplay Teach. I think actual BB is pretty timid and quiet. His mom is fiery and wild (like how BB was in the fight vs Law), his dad is very plotting and planning (like the BB we see talking about making the island part of the WG). The one personality that differs is one that is more childlike and afraid, which is who I think Teach is baseline

[glass plume]

then Shanks sure as hell isn't alone on "snitching"

[tranquil blade]

That would be more like ratting, probably why Xebec called Harald a rat (at least in tcb)

[golden valley]

If he’s talking to the gorosei about bb, then he’s using info he has on him probably to get some type of upperhand. Ratting is most applicable when you’re tattling to become advantageous

[stone terrace]

Shanks very clearly is ahead of teach for the whole series though so it still is intriguing

[wide star]

yeah both Teach & Shanks basically the same age (39 & 40) they were both young so if you say teach was a rookie then you gotta also shanks was

[leaden rivet]

Aren’t they like 1 year apart lol

[golden valley]

This is speculation for now tho

[glass plume]

also the double standards when the fact that Blackberad literally killed someone who he has counted as family for some years, only for his own seflish ambition

[tranquil blade]

Yes

[glass plume]

i think that's even worse than being a "snitch" lol

[stone terrace]

Like bb is around commander level before getting the yami (and after tbh)

[tranquil blade]

Shanks is 39 Blackbeard is 40

[stone terrace]

But he still managed to scar shanks without it

[ruby moat]

blackbeard is an actual rat, which is why its funny how much ppl hold on to shanks being a rat

[ornate tartan]

Blackbeard knew about Haki during his introduction and was the first character in the series who mentioned it, how the fuck didn’t he have haki back then😂

Ppl downplay a character just to make another one look worse

[golden valley]

Everyone knows bb is a evil mf tho 😭

[ruby moat]

not only did he kill thatch but he turned in ace to the government

that's like textbook ratting lol

[wide star]

it’s jus funny when Shanks fans be the main ones downplaying Teach when Shanks himself glazes Teach the most in the story.. Shanks would call his fans idiots for not listening to his warnings about Teach

[potent pier]

Here's a wild idea.

[ornate tartan]

Teach always been strong even without a fruit, the fruit just makes him even more powerful

[jade rain]

But bb is a scum and shanks is Supposed to be a good guy

[leaden rivet]

Shanks being a rat is clutched on to because there’s really nothing else to talk shit about him on. He’s perfect.

[glass plume]

that doesn't mean that he shouldn't be counted for differently, lol

[potent pier]

Would vegapunk make a cybernetic arm for Shanks?

He can definitly do it

[leaden rivet]

The typical Mary sue archetpye character

[ruby moat]

lol yea thats like exactly what i said earlier. it's all they got

[glass plume]

and it's natural for a "good guy" to try to stop the "bad guy" right?

[stone terrace]

If shanks paid him im sure he would

[glass plume]

then i don't see the problem, lol

[golden valley]

Huh? Wdym. Bb is like generally agreed as scummy

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but idk if he would care enough to

[stone terrace]

I think shanks doesnt want a new arm though

[glossy spire]

He leans hard on his devil fruit to the point that it’ll be his downfall, imo

[wide star]

all we know is before they were yonkos , Teach & Shanks fought each other (only haki ) and Shanks walked away with a big ass scar on his face

[stone terrace]

That would cheapen his sacrifice

[ruby moat]

bb is looking more like a bum every day when u look at how he acts versus how his dad acted

[glass plume]

it 100% would

[jade rain]

I was being sarcastic, the rat memes mostly come from bb fans anyway

[wide star]

i’m glad they don’t act the same

[glass plume]

in the same vain as Xebec being alive all along would cheapen Blackbeard's whole journey

[leaden rivet]

BB had that claw on him

[wide star]

that would be boring honestly

[glass plume]

they sure do

[wide star]

Teach acting different because of what he’s been through compared to Rocks makes more sense

[leaden rivet]

They come from all walks of life

[knotty dove]

Soldier boy moment

[tranquil blade]

Xebec is really just a chill guy

[golden valley]

Im a bb fan and shit on Shanks, so what?

[tough dust]

good.

[knotty dove]

Na kinda wuss

[tough dust]

they do not need to be the same

[golden valley]

Fuck that goofy red hair

[leaden rivet]

Im glad Blackbeard isn’t anything like shanks

[ruby moat]

i'm not suggesting they should be the same

[leaden rivet]

He would be such a boring character

[wide star]

Rocks & Teach not acting the same is exactly like Luffy & Dragon not acting the same .. more parallels Oda

[tranquil blade]

If Blackbeard acted like Xebec he'd probably have more fans but be a worse character overall

[knotty dove]

I don't know why people even hates garling. He is just following his order and having fun

[ruby moat]

no its not luffy doesnt have slaves

[glass plume]

let me ask y'all an honest question, objectively who is the most gary stu
Shanks or Xebec

[ornate tartan]

the last chapter shows that Teach and Shanks are kind of connected fate wise,and had a nice parallel of both being carried away from god valley

it would be great if most ppl would just appreciate these characters dynamic leading up to their future conflict

[golden valley]

Shanks

[sturdy steeple]

Xebec

[golden valley]

Its not close man

[wide star]

your reading comprehension is in hell lmao

[sturdy steeple]

Easily

[haughty saddle]

inevitable

[urban lodge]

Xebec

[golden valley]

No

Stop

[glass plume]

i'd also say Xebec every day of the week tbh

[urban lodge]

It definitely is

[glossy spire]

For the record, BB is a sniveling coward who hides in the shadows and will only attack when he is certain to have the upper hand

[ruby moat]

you said "exactly like". sure they are similar, but they are not "Exactly like" at all.

[tranquil blade]

Xebec is chopped so I'm gonna say Shanks

[fallen meteor]

probably xebec

[ornate tartan]

Yeah that’s pretty much his character

[sturdy steeple]

It’s not even a debate, man. What Xebec has done in the story is far beyond Shanks

[urban lodge]

Waltzing into Imu's room is ridiculous

[fallen meteor]

legit just that

[glass plume]

i mean sure, but that's looking away from the fact that Shanks has scars on his face that originate from Blackbeard, as well as the fact that he is missing an arm

[jade rain]

I would say both, they are portrayed to be liked and sure are

[tranquil blade]

For being in the series for like 10 chapters he has done quite a lot

[glass plume]

the only thing that doesn't make Xebec the ultimate Gary Stu imo, is the fact that we know that he died lol

[formal wagon]

WALTZING
WA LT ZING
WA ZING
WANG ZHI

goda.

[glass plume]

yeah for sure both quantify, but one is more than the other imo

[wide star]

lmao yeah it’s bad .. i’m saying Teach & Rocks being completely different is exactly like Luffy & Dragon being different .. i’m not saying luffy is exactly like teach 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[sturdy steeple]

And it took two strongest people in the world to take care of him if we follow Sengoku’s story.

So there’s that.

[golden valley]

Why would we follow sengoku story

[fallen meteor]

the only "flaw" xebec has at the moment is that he isnt "beautiful"

[glass plume]

and the flashback we've been getting only adds onto that

[glossy spire]

He’s made more consecutive chapter appearances than shanks ever has

[tough dust]

Sengoku story died.

[glass plume]

Xebec has literally zero moments of faulter in this flashback so far

[tranquil blade]

Well Xebec did stab a kid but Oda kinda glazes over it

[sturdy steeple]

Because it still makes sense. Roger and Garp cooperation has to happen.

[ruby moat]

luffy and dragon are not evil. Rocks is not evil. bb is evil. they are not "exactly like". rocks and bb are more different than luffy and dragon imo

[golden valley]

He literally is, hes gonna die

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-no-no-no-tik-tok-tiktok-gif-10008636557488486936

[fallen meteor]

but he did in a cool way

[wide star]

lmao bruh rocks is a bad guy … stop this shit

[glass plume]

yeah, that's what i said that's the only thing which doesn't make him the ultimate Gary Stu

[urban lodge]

It depends on how he dies

[glossy spire]

Luffy also stabs a kid (||himself||)

[glass plume]

but he still is more of a Gary Stu than Shanks is

[urban lodge]

If he dies like a bitch sure

[wide star]

i love rocks , he’s my top 3 fav character but he’s a bad guy

[sage temple]

The kid recovered immediately before the day even ended btw

[ruby moat]

"bad guy" and "evil" are not the same to begin with, and rocks being a "bad guy" is debatable

[tough dust]

Xebec objectivetly done legitimate crimes but a lot of them happened off screen so the reader will only just focus on the good parts about him lol

[golden valley]

Ultimate is inaccurate

[sturdy steeple]

It’s not debatable, really. He’s a pirate with countless crimes.

[ruby moat]

i could make fun of your reading comprehension right now, for responding with "bad guy" when i said "evil", but i won't do that.

[potent pier]

That's chapter 1 stuff

[wide star]

lmao you doing the most & reaching … all i said is rocks & teach act completely different and Dragon & Luffy act completely different

[glass plume]

i wouldn't say it is, since that's Xebec's only flaw if we view it from the lense of his fans let's say

[fallen meteor]

his "flaws" are what makes pirates cool tho

[glossy spire]

Evil is a made up term. Crimes are defined by those in power. And law doesn’t mean something is just.

[tranquil blade]

When Xebec stabs a child he gets aura, but when Blackbeard wins against Law he gets negative aura

[fallen meteor]

like yeah he uhhh does crimes
he pillages evil people
he steals from the world government...

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-street-fighter-bad-guy-gif-16508047537253209714

[brittle basin]

2deep4m3

[haughty saddle]

me before I bomb an orphanage

[sturdy steeple]

You can like Rocks for sure but saying he isn’t more of a Gary Stu than Shanks is insane.
Dude’s entire story starts with him being the only person in the whole history to waltz into Imu’s chamber and kill an admiral on the way out.

[glass plume]

Xebec is cool as fuck, i won't deny that
i just think the double standards are showing a bit when Blackbeard fans tend to say that Shanks is too perfect and then they proceed to worship the likes of Xebec

and i don't mean any offense by this, i just think it's an interesting observation

like i said Xebec is a cool character 100%

[ruby moat]

bb fans are known for having double standards.

[urban lodge]

This is why my hate for Shanks transferred over so naturally to Xebec

And I'm actually fine with Shanks now

[glossy spire]

Welp, time to scratch that off my to do list. Thanks a lot

[sage temple]

Where are the legitimate crimes he's comitted

[ornate tartan]

We know next to nothing about Shanks, and Oda is saving him for the final saga

Why did he decide to go for the One Piece right when he saw Luffy Awakening, we don’t know if he has a mission from roger to guide the next joyboy which could do with what roger told him when he cried or whether he wants to use Luffy to claim the one piece for himself, his motives are still a complete mystery

just have to be patient

[urban lodge]

It really is all the issues I used to have with Shanks but on steroids

[sturdy steeple]

I honestly feel like I was too negative about Rocks these past days but that comment itself made it impossible to stay quiet. That’s just not true.

[golden valley]

It doesn’t make sense to say hes the ultimate without us getting the full picture of how his story comes to an end lol

[brittle basin]

I like Shanks, Rocks, and BB.

[tranquil blade]

They literally listed all of Xebec's actual bad crimes and none of them are the ones shown on screen

They are hiding his sins

[haughty saddle]

Shanks is gonna be Joyboy’s descendant and he’s gonna do some cool stuff with subversion of prophecy, it’ll be tight as fuck man just wait

[fallen meteor]

shanks is like a character haunting the story
its like 'he isnt doing it but when he does it, he will do crazy stuff just you wait'
then rocks actually is just doing the crazy stuff from the get go

[leaden rivet]

You’re so different Buffy. You’re not like the other girls.

[tranquil blade]

Well that hurts my BB Joyboy descendant theory so idk

[sage temple]

How do you know this wasn't all self-defense

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/york-one-piece-york-vegapunk-punk-06-yosuyosudraw-qazira-gif-211912794502877691

[ruby moat]

im sure it's all jokes but whenever i send those, particularly the "leveled 5 towns" i always get "all the towns were evil"

[brittle basin]

You're goddamn right

[sage temple]

Out of curiosity

[ruby moat]

or what socrates is doing right now

[proud pivot]

Only thing saving Shanks from BB's ass whopping is joyboys blood 😭

[blazing depot]

https://x.com/dailyqueerpiece/status/1978152150757781519?s=46

Shrines (@DailyQueerPiece)

How to be a good man according to senior pink fans I guess:

Work for super Hitler
Lie about working for super Hitler
Kill your wife because you lied about working for super Hitler
Go back to working for super Hitler but wear a baby outfit
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X · Oct 14, 2025, 5:33 PM

[urban lodge]

Yeah no I agree, I'm actually interested in him now. Oda is adding more complexity to him, I'm very interested in the Figarland family plot

[tranquil blade]

They were 5 perfect recreations of mock town so it's okay

[glass plume]

i find it hard to believe that all of these were "evil people" who attacked the Rocks pirates, lol

[sage temple]

i find it hard to believe that all of these were "good people" who attacked the Rocks pirates, lol

[glossy spire]

I do think there’s a chance Shanks was the “chosen one” in a sense, but it would have just repeated the cycle, so he chose freedom instead

[haughty saddle]

It’s why he’s that guy.

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I don’t particularly like Oda showing Xebec in a positive light that much. Like, idk what kind of character he is when we don’t see most of his shortcomings.
His short appearances before an actual flashback paint him as a cruel almost barbaric guy who was ready to even beat up children. But now? A family guy. What

[knotty dove]

He chose tapping makino instead

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/im-from-the-cityyyyyy-gif-4548670119770313438

[glass plume]

let's agree to disagree then

[brittle basin]

[sage temple]

Yeah maybe lets do that

[glossy spire]

Freedom is bliss

[ruby moat]

socrates u kinda just admitted u were wrong

[tranquil blade]

Rocks only kills civilians who agitate him first (like Kid)

[wraith mantle]

is rocks the first evil family guy character?

in one piece

[sage temple]

Then so did Brachy

[knotty dove]

Ya but i place this flashback in my top 5s

[tranquil blade]

It really took me a second to understand this message

[ruby moat]

he didnt. You are the one arguing that it was 100% one way, while his position only needs there to be some good people he was fighting, and can accept that there were also some bad people

[knotty dove]

Nahh it's dragon.

[glass plume]

i would've been fine with it for the most part, but Oda really didn't need to add that the bad thing we saw him do (other than stabbing Loki like 3 times) was actually a corrupt organisation that deserved it, lol

[wraith mantle]

is it that poorly worded? lol

[frigid gulch]

Oda does the same bullshit for Shanks. Covers anything that could be a stain on him

[sturdy steeple]

The point is not that he’s a family guy.
It’s the fact that Oda is painting him in a completely different way from what he used to be.

[urban lodge]

Peter Griffin Rocks

[frigid gulch]

Rocks has the same thing potentially

[golden valley]

Maybe Rocks is only in a good light in the perspective of the WG. Rocks bad nature vs WG Bad natures makes Rocks look like the good guy

[frigid gulch]

Narrator details his crimes

[tranquil blade]

I thought you were saying Xebec was a literal character in the show family guy

[frigid gulch]

But nothing is shown

[sage temple]

I'm arguing that he did it in self defense regardless of the morals of whoever he's fighting

[jade rain]

Both are meant to be liked characters

[runic dock]

What crimes have been detailed about shanks

[glossy spire]

That’s how I read it lmao

[ruby moat]

so self defense against ppl that werent attacking him

[frigid gulch]

I’m not talking about Shanks there

[urban lodge]

But I guess that would be Big Mom, unless you just mean male characters

[sage temple]

so self defense against ppl that were* attacking him

[blazing depot]

The first evil family guy character is Stewie

[wraith mantle]

i kinda need oda to give us clear evidence of evil rocks or good rocks, kinda tired of the constant debate about this

[blazing depot]

Before they turned him gay

[frigid gulch]

Sure but it ends up feeling artificial

[ruby moat]

i mean its just all cope to be like "rocks did no wrong" so idk why i bother

[runic dock]

You said the same thing happens with shanks

[frigid gulch]

You don’t have to cover everything

[runic dock]

Confused

[sage temple]

i mean its just all cope to be like "rocks did wrong" so idk why i bother

[leaden rivet]

It’s kinda cringe

[stone terrace]

A lot yall would fall for government propaganda

[sage temple]

The method always works

[urban lodge]

With Shanks it's less artificial because we know he's a good guy

[sturdy steeple]

Weak bait game

[glossy spire]

Easy answers are boring. Oda, let the community figure this one out on our own

[frigid gulch]

Yes. I said Oda covers stuff that could be seen as a “stain”

[leaden rivet]

Oda is trying to make rocks too likeable

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-basketball-nba-nba-lebron-gif-11122134222208988803

[frigid gulch]

It doesn’t mean it’s crimes

[runic dock]

Some probably currently have

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-triste-hotel-transylvania-memes-gif-17815669965740676357

There's levels to ts

[golden valley]

Wait, why do yall actually want Rocks to be a good guy. How is he a good guy

[wraith mantle]

nah we have garp for this

[ornate tartan]

what has oda covered that can be a stain on shanks?😂

[leaden rivet]

Rocks morality discussions are the new big discussion I guess

[runic dock]

What stain about shanks has he covered ? I’m just asking lol

[sturdy steeple]

[golden valley]

I highkey thought Rocks good guy arguments were trolling

[glossy spire]

Garp a bitch lapdog

[urban lodge]

Your fellow Xebec fans talk about him like he's Jesus Christ

[wraith mantle]

i kinda miss shanks vs mihawk now

[ruby moat]

oops

[tranquil blade]

This is why Shiki is the goat because he's still a piece of shit openly but he has aura too

[glass plume]

i'm sorry but Shanks wears his flaws on the outside.
his three scars that ache which he recieved from Blackbeard
as well as his missing arm, which literally got sacrificed to a sea-beast

[sage temple]

Bartsky changes his mind, deleteing his image, realizing he was in the wrong this entire time

[wraith mantle]

shiki has aura??

[tranquil blade]

He does

[leaden rivet]

None of those are really much flaws

[tranquil blade]

he does

[runic dock]

Haters hate to see it

[sage temple]

Like this is a question

[leaden rivet]

Shanks doesn’t really have any real flaws

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, Rocks being likeable after what we’ve seen is insane on Oda’s part.

[leaden rivet]

He’s written to be a Mary sue that everyone loves, little no flaws, among the strongest

[glossy spire]

You know… I had never considered that in the context of a sacrifice… damn

[golden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-staring-meme-kurt-angle-staring-gigatnos-gif-1532715423575739716

[ruby moat]

ego too big lil bro that had nothing to do with my conversation with u

[wraith mantle]

havent watched the movie so i am missing out a lot on his character

[runic dock]

Oh so you can be specific to clarify to people that you meant character flaws

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t really do anything wrong

[wraith mantle]

i will take yall's word for it

[ornate tartan]

List of ppl who hate Shanks

Zoro fans
Mihawk fans
Blackbeard fans
Xebec fans
Admiral/Marine fans
even some Kaido fans😂

soon Loki fans

[glass plume]

i mean most of the fandom definitely thinks that being scarred by someone, is an obvious flaw

if we were talking outside of this fandom, i'd agree with you

[tranquil blade]

Notice how they gave Xebec the better romance in the flashback too, now that is kinda crazy

[sage temple]

Does his missing arm count since he has a physical problem

[wraith mantle]

ok buddy you are omega biased, you were pushing that the guy in the hat was shiki so hard 😭

[runic dock]

Garp is a better written character than shanks but that’s just by way of shanks not having done much yet

[leaden rivet]

Garp is the best written character in the series

[runic dock]

I was pushing that Shiki was canon and he is

[sage temple]

I thought the movie was un-canon

[leaden rivet]

Nope not a flaw

[glass plume]

Garp is definitely up there as the best written, I agree

[ruby moat]

ppl throwing a fit over the shanks poison and bartolomeo stuff was so funny

[tranquil blade]

No because he sacrificed it for a noble cause so he gets aura

[sage temple]

drats

[dull zenith]

Do y’all think Xebec would be bothered that Kaido turned Wano into an Industrial Slave State

[leaden rivet]

Me I was throwing that fit

[wraith mantle]

uhh damn

[frigid gulch]

Let’s see.. Shanks “gave” his arm even tho it could’ve equally been great if it was just him giving it up out of legitimate panic. Shanks supposedly talked to the Gorosei but we find out it’s his twin so he’s not a double agent. Against Kid, he basically just gets one shot and Oda covers the fact that Kid isnt injured

[golden valley]

Rocks wasn’t likeable to me due to him being a family man lol, but Ig Oda just made it to where a general consensus could appeal to him.

[jade rain]

Why zoro fans? Cause of mihawk?

[wraith mantle]

good agenda

[tranquil blade]

[ruby moat]

why did u stop / not consider it a flaw anymore

or did u never consider it a flaw

[urban lodge]

He betrayed Buggy's trust kinda

[sturdy steeple]

The twin thing is still debatable

[thick mango]

how can blackbeard fans hate shanks, shanks is ultimately a blackbeard hype tool

[ornate tartan]

pretty much

[sturdy steeple]

It can still be him lol

[leaden rivet]

Do you mean the Barto situation?

[runic dock]

I see what you mean now thanks for clarifying

[frigid gulch]

And then add that to him basically having haki on Joyboy’s level

And making GB shit his pants

It’s just glaze

[tranquil blade]

See Xebec didn't like the idea of the giants being enslaved to the government so he might not approve of slavery in general, but at the same time

[sturdy steeple]

Huh? That’s not true

[ruby moat]

or the poison

[glossy spire]

Shanks flaws

• drinks too much (that’s rude to other patrons)
• can’t clap
• hates redheads

[golden valley]

That said, Rocks is both cruel and cares for his family. Oda really didn’t showcase the former, but he stated it.

[sage temple]

Who says he can't clap

He has feet

[sturdy steeple]

It’s explicitly said that Joyboy’s haki is stronger so idk what we’re arguing.

[wraith mantle]

i keep wondering will oda actually make bb kill shanks? this shit is the most predicted event in history, will oda allow himself to be that predictible?

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-zoro-one-piece-op-one-piece-hot-gif-13376313238225934410

[urban lodge]

That's why he's a bad character

[frigid gulch]

It isn’t said that it’s stronger ?

[grand flower]

Nahhh

[glossy spire]

I stand corrected

[hazy echo]

https://fixupx.com/ylsjnfsd/status/1978012045577781509?s=46

涅屠 (@ylsjnfsd)

奶奶

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FixupX · Oct 14, 2025, 8:16 AM

[leaden rivet]

Well the reason I disliked it was it felt so intentional that shanks wasn’t allowed to do anything “wrong” even if it were perceived as right

Like Yassop just kinda shoots Barto on his own to almost the surprise of shanks who appeared to let him go, and then to further justify the blast we have a seen of Barto making fun of their mercy

[urban lodge]

Oda is picking and choosing what to show because he REALLY wants us to like him

[tranquil blade]

Brogy says it like a question but I'm 90% sure it'll be stronger

[ornate tartan]

Kaido would’ve done Greenbull worse btw @frigid gulch 😂

greenbull isn’t nowhere near the level of the top emperors, that isn’t glaze at all

[frigid gulch]

I don’t “hate” Shanks

[dull zenith]

Didn’t he mean enslave in a figurative manner here ?

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy hype is gonna be on another level I figure

[golden valley]

Rocks also killed his own clan without tearing or hesitating at all. That ruthless nature is still present

[ruby moat]

ah okay i getchu

[frigid gulch]

But I don’t think he’s outstanding

[leaden rivet]

Like shanks is a pirate

[glass plume]

meanwhile Oda makes her a model no matter the age

[frigid gulch]

With just his haki? I don’t see it

[wraith mantle]

you also dont think bb will kill shanks?

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t need to be that perfect of a guy

Which is why I liked Roger a lot more after this flashback

[wet condor]

It isn't said explicitly but it's implied. The phrasing from Dorry and Broggy there is have them talking like real people basically

[ruby moat]

Yeah even while doing the "dirty" stuff, it's specifically made to make him look better

[sturdy steeple]

Yes, he was comparing the two and being in awe how strong Joyboy’s haki is.
And it makes sense that he compared it to the strongest guy he knows.

[urban lodge]

Shanks will never die now with the Figarland plotline

[wet condor]

I have no doubt that Joyboy's is stronger

[leaden rivet]

Roger is just like such a dork

[sturdy steeple]

It’s heavily implied it’s stronger, yes.

If not confirmed.

[glass plume]

Roger's line this chapter went hard asf

[glossy spire]

Shanks is the mentor. He’s supposed to die normally

[sage temple]

What if he has a kid to carry it on

[wraith mantle]

real bruh that shit was fire

[tranquil blade]

Yeah, but idk it's weird Xebec is not a good guy but nothing implies he's okay with slavery

[knotty dove]

He will die. Then Luffy with activate g5 super

[ornate tartan]

people always thought Roger was some bigger then life character and when Oda finally gave him some humanizing moments everyone started calling him a fraud

[wraith mantle]

the figarland line will end with him

holy shit thats kinda epic

[frigid gulch]

It’s not. In Film Red, Shanks also KOs VAs which is the peak of what Joyboy can do. And that scene is canon cause the manga statement basically supports it

[ruby moat]

it is pretty crazy how shanks shows up in the start of every single volume along with the relevant characters of the arc and the strawhats

[glass plume]

really encapsulating what a pirate (in this story) is to begin with

[wet condor]

I like Roger but Xebec has stacked up a resume that, as of right now, is more impressive than Roger's. As far as confirmed feats are concerned

[ornate tartan]

adventure🔥

[tranquil blade]

Roger has like 2 feats

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, mate, we’re gonna use anime as an evidence.

[wraith mantle]

which makes shanks a neat pirate huh?

[urban lodge]

He probably already did with Makino, but the baby won't be relevant in the main story

[wet condor]

Like Rocks is out here killing it

[tranquil blade]

and it's both clashes

[frigid gulch]

?

Movies have canon things

[sturdy steeple]

This is very disingenuous.

And you know it.

[frigid gulch]

Not at all

You’re being disingenuous

[wraith mantle]

how is killing an admiral a clash

[frigid gulch]

I cited the manga statement as well

[dull zenith]

Honestly I think he’d be proud of Kaido here, in the end he understood pirates are opportunists so the more powerful they are and the less the WG is the better because the latter (probably) orchestrated a genocide against his people

[tranquil blade]

I think Brogy brings up Shanks cause Shanks was the person with the strongest haki they had seen up to that point

[wet condor]

We haven't really seen him beat anyone who we'd normally deem impressive I don't think. He killed squard's people and then that country's military, seemingly singlehandedly or at least that's how I read it

[dull zenith]

Rocks is the hero of the Lumpenproletariat

[tranquil blade]

I'm talking about Roger's feats

[frigid gulch]

The same movie that revealed Shanks to be a Figarland

Come on now

[glossy spire]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-amit-gajare-gif-27470830

[wraith mantle]

uh fuck i read tthat wrong

[sage temple]

Just throwing letters tg

[sturdy steeple]

Yes, it is. You just used a film scene as a “gotcha”
And even taking this into account still doesn’t confirm they’re on the same level when the direct phrase implies the opposite.

[golden valley]

No, Shanks Haki almost KOed the VA’s, but it actually didn’t iirc

[frigid gulch]

It did

[leaden rivet]

So quick to dick ride rocks you’re not even reading

[frigid gulch]

Kizaru said it KOd a handful of them

[hazy echo]

It KO some not all

[glass plume]

dude, sick pfp

i just noticed it, lol

[wet condor]

BTFO of a country's military is th more impressive one I'd say if he did it by himself

[glass plume]

Zagreus is GOATED

[grand flower]

Never really believed in it tbh

[wraith mantle]

hoped that would go unnoticed

[sturdy steeple]

It didn’t KO all of them so yeah

[golden valley]

Then it didn’t KO VA’s like Momonga

[distant vine]

He'll find a way

[sturdy steeple]

Ty man

[golden valley]

Joyboy’s did

With no hostility

[ruby moat]

"seriously"

[tranquil blade]

I mean it depends on the military

[ornate tartan]

Roger has the greatest feat in the entire story of one piece, which is finding the one piece and starting the great pirate era

[dull zenith]

It’s true :handfold:

[leaden rivet]

Imu fought seriously against Sabo

[grand flower]

Quadruple Haki wave from Roger, Garp, rocks, and Whitebeard sends Imu back within the first 3 pages

[glass plume]

Roger will probably always be the definition of a pirate to me

[frigid gulch]

Because films have canon elements and naturally the manga statement which compares the two implies basically no difference yea

[wraith mantle]

i really do want shanks to fight bb tho, but i think this is becoming highly unlikely now

[leaden rivet]

Why do you guys think Garp is going to attack Imu

[glass plume]

and this flashback only proved that further

[wet condor]

In this world he is considered the gold standard ,quite literally lol

[ruby moat]

oh speaking of imu vs sabo, it's really interesting that imu used arrows now that we know that's gunko's power

[trim lily]

why wouldnt garp attack the giant demon monster

[sage temple]

What if this flashback, being introduced by Loki, is foreshadowing time-control or time-pausing powers from Loki

[tranquil blade]

Well because I want him to

[sage temple]

[grand flower]

Cause Oda wants us to see him as a good guy

[wraith mantle]

all of them do a divine departure to send imu back??

peak

[glass plume]

yeah, and i agree with it 100%

[grand flower]

What????

[distant vine]

We'd actually have to do mental health checks on WG fans. Too much back to back chapters

[tranquil blade]

I need the slaver warrior of oppression jokes to end NEXT CHAPTER

[glossy spire]

Cause he’s a WG pet?

[leaden rivet]

Because it’s an elder and because his enemies are attacking it

[glossy spire]

Garp is a good boy

[sturdy steeple]

Having canon elements isn’t enough for this argument to be considered as truthful. Did you ask Oda himself or you’re just making an assumption?

[sage temple]

You gotta read in between the lines brotato

[grand flower]

If it ain’t admirals they don’t matter

[wraith mantle]

oppress d slaves memes are kinda fire icl

[leaden rivet]

Garp is a dog

[ornate tartan]

roger romanticism and love for adventure has been highlighted a lot in this flashback, which parallels Luffy

[sage temple]

It's extremely elementary

[tranquil blade]

I mean he doesnt really look like an elder

[sturdy steeple]

How do you know what’s canon and what’s not?

[leaden rivet]

You don’t bite your masters hand

[trim lily]

yeah how would garp know this is an elder

i guess unless someone briefs him right there

[vapid leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/garp-one-piece-monkey-d-luffy-luffy-monkey-d-garp-gif-25814405

[leaden rivet]

Why would his first instinct to be to attack without knowing the situation?

[frigid gulch]

That is entirely WHY I’m saying it’s canon because of the statement in the manga. Youre tryna make it out like I’m asserting that it’s canon stand alone

[sturdy steeple]

Dorry or Broggy were comparing Joyboy’s haki to the strongest conq user they know. And directly implying it’s stronger.

[tranquil blade]

because it's a big scary demon

[leaden rivet]

He sees pirates (his enemies) fighting something and he decides to join them?

[trim lily]

scary creature

[wraith mantle]

well imu's haki is pretty demonic

[grand flower]

Cause fuck CDs

[wraith mantle]

and if he gets a glimpse of the transformed davys

[leaden rivet]

Garp is still their bitch

[grand flower]

Garp already hates CDs. A demon CD? He’ll attack off instinct

[wraith mantle]

even garp can put two and two together

[glossy spire]

Don’t do that, that’s how you get more

[frigid gulch]

Yes and they asked “was that stronger than Red Hair’s?”

[sturdy steeple]

No, Joyboy’s is implied to be stronger.
I’m not taking into account a film scene whatsoever.

[frigid gulch]

That’s not them being certain

[distant vine]

Anime will fix the line

[ornate tartan]

Imu ain’t garp master he’s a D clan

I promise u he’s not fighting any of the pirates unless they get domi reversid

[golden valley]

Idk how the Shanks vs Joyboy Haki debate is a thing still. Like, Dorry and Brogy explicitly say Joyboy’s Haki had no hostility, so a non-hostile restrained burst of haki is what they’re seeing and compare to Shanks, they question which is stronger because there was no hostility, it doesn’t actually give direct evidence that Shanks has comparable haki

[wet condor]

If Garp did attack Imu, I'm curious how he's still employed lol

[distant vine]

"It's almost at Shanks' level!"

[tranquil blade]

Garp has plausible deniability anyways, if they ask him why he did it then he can just say he thought it was a monster. What are they gonna do, admit there's a king of the world?

[jade rain]

Ig it's from gv that garp begins to truly hate the CD's

[stone terrace]

Kong: "Hey Garp. We're going to have to place you on unpaid leave for a month. You can't just punch the boss like that."

[wet condor]

This is funny af

[sturdy steeple]

Man, you can have a dark painting in front of One Piece fans and they’ll still argue it might be white.

[frigid gulch]

You’re still fixated on the film scene like it’s the entirety of what I said

[wraith mantle]

man no wonder garp dont wanna talk about shit

[ornate tartan]

Joyboy Haki mastery is so potent that he can compress a Haki Blast that extended past the entire island of Egghead in a single knot

[frigid gulch]

There’s no point in repeating myself

[glossy spire]

Garp gets domi reversi’d > now he hates the government > punches Imu

[grand flower]

It just means shanks is their standard, but it begs the question of how much that means when they were isolated for 100 years. They missed Kaido, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Mihawk, Rocks, Roger

[sturdy steeple]

No, I am just going by what manga is showing. No point in repeating myself over and over.

[frigid gulch]

So am I

[spice cairn]

We hate movies here.

[distant vine]

Imu is waiting for Garp to die of natural causes before he really starts the final war

[frigid gulch]

I’m not using the anime as my primary here

[golden valley]

Joyboy’s Haki didn’t have any hostility to it, so they questioned if it was even stronger than Shanks.

[sturdy steeple]

It shouldn’t be used whatsoever anyways lol

[frigid gulch]

No

They just didn’t feel any

[golden valley]

Huh

[frigid gulch]

That may or may not have anything to do with strength

[wraith mantle]

its funny they compared it to shanks, why not loki? does loki not have conq? LOL

[distant vine]

Film Red is the true canon replacement to Wano though?

[frigid gulch]

Especially if it’s like

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/taoru0239/status/1901622284047237126?s=46

たおる (@taoru0239)

X · Mar 17, 2025, 1:10 PM

[frigid gulch]

A condition placed on the haki

[golden valley]

By hostility, they’re talking about unrestrained. Shanks can’t restrain his bursts of haki

[frigid gulch]

Yes he can

[sturdy steeple]

I knew someone would catch on

[glossy spire]

The real strength that surpasses all including Haki, is love. That’s why everyone is defenseless against love punches

[sturdy steeple]

Thank you

[jade rain]

They compare to the strongest haki they know

[wraith mantle]

hey man take it up with dorry and brogy

[sage temple]

High quality ragebait

You got it bro

[fallen meteor]

i was working so fast

as soon as i saw the message

[golden valley]

Shanks haki is hostile

He can’t restrain

He says it

[sage temple]

Dorry and Brogy haven't ever witnessed Loki's power

That's a very good reason as to why

[golden valley]

And his pirate members also say he’s knocking out crewmembers

[sturdy steeple]

But King is right though. It’s just an observation that it wasn’t hostile. We don’t know what it really means.

[sage temple]

Also it would be a pretty bad spoiler if they hinted to Loki being powerful in Egghead

[sturdy steeple]

But Joyboy is all about positivity and all so I guess it has to do with this.

[wet condor]

Shanks can probably restrain his Haki, but there's a limit. The more he let's it out, the harder it is to restrain the hostility and keep him from knocking out friendlies. Supposing that he could do something like what Joyboy did, he'd be knocking out friends and foes alike

[frigid gulch]

Again, we don’t know what kinda shit he did. If there was a condition of some sort. And so what if it isn’t ?

[urban lodge]

That is an interesting thing, for the biggest "haki man" of today to not have super precise control over it

[sage temple]

Nice try tho Khalid

[wraith mantle]

lmao thanks

[stone terrace]

His haki just be that strong

[frigid gulch]

Also I presume hostility would just be based on the target

[wraith mantle]

it was good bait wasnt it

[sage temple]

It was

[frigid gulch]

What Shanks did to GB was targeted conquerors

Even the lightning is drawn like that

[fallen meteor]

is that plushy giratina

[sturdy steeple]

Well

[fallen meteor]

with a gun

[spice cairn]

Yeah

[sturdy steeple]

He made some of his men faint

[fallen meteor]

woah

[frigid gulch]

But he might’ve had trouble initially cause he was mad

[sturdy steeple]

So it was like

[wet condor]

I imagine his control is at least as good as someone like Rayleigh

[trim lily]

xebec griffin if he was awesome

[sturdy steeple]

Not that restrained lol

[spice cairn]

It wasnt targeted, it clearly effected people

[sage temple]

This is official

[golden valley]

Rayleigh says you can control and master conquerors Haki to not attack things. Joyboy is just conditioning his haki to not be hostile and have a specific target

[spice cairn]

It was unbridled haki particularly to scare off GB

[stone terrace]

What

[frigid gulch]

Yes. I’m saying initially he was mad and emitting haki everywhere

Then he restrained it

[glossy spire]

Shanks is probably too smart, which means when he’s using Haki he’s thinking of so many variables and has less control. Luffy is perfect in contrast cause he will never have that problem

[sturdy steeple]

Ehhhh

We don’t know that for sure.

[frigid gulch]

I don’t see why Shanks fans do that

can’t *

[golden valley]

It wasn’t non-hostile bc it was attacking crew members still

[sturdy steeple]

We just see him standing on the ship already using it on GB

[stone terrace]

Joyboy somehow programmed his haki to only target bitch ass motherfuckers

[grand flower]

I wonder how he knew to target the WG…hm…

[frigid gulch]

Sure

Where did I say it wasn’t hostile

[wet condor]

It's funny how this worked lol

[glass plume]

Shanks was pissed already, which is why his haki went out of control

[wet condor]

I was thinking about that too when the chapter dropped

Joyboy saw into the future or some shit

[grand flower]

He was there

[wet condor]

Future sight 800 years down the line

[frigid gulch]

I said hostility likely depends on the scenario

[wet condor]

lmao Shuron

[grand flower]

[golden valley]

Is this a Luffy is Joyboy theory Im sensing…?

[frigid gulch]

Shanks said he gets riled up sometimes

[sturdy steeple]

Joyboy’s haki working on Gorosei is fine to me but I wonder why did it work on most of marines. I don’t think they’re all that evil to begin with.

[frigid gulch]

Which he was