also-manga

[frozen aspen]

https://youtu.be/lBosxpcQM9k

[final trench]

Lets not act like garp didnt raise these niggas around BANDITS

[brittle basin]

that's a pretty awesome crime

[frozen aspen]

Garp isn't being held down here. What stopped him from tryinf to stop akainu btw

[indigo yacht]

Akainu is his boss

[wraith mantle]

didnt sengoku say clearly the public execution is because hes son of roger

[frigid gulch]

Garling zoan

[indigo yacht]

He attacks Akainu here and then gets jumped and achieves nothing

[wraith mantle]

if he wasnt the son of roger he would have died in impel down

[brittle basin]

That's what I thought, but it's been a while since I read MF.

[round prism]

Its the reason

[frozen aspen]

he did, never even mentioned any of his crimes while holding the speech. Just talked about his father.

[grand flower]

Oh wow

It is Rocks' family

The old man and woman

[sweet anvil]

Yeah I was starting to agree with you to that degree but I searched it up and after scrolling a bit to actually understand what “irredeemability” is it pretty much was telling me it’s a choice but after looking into it more it pretty much said there’s no yes or no answer

[wraith mantle]

yeah his pops and grandma

[brittle basin]

yep

oh wait shit Viz is out today yay

[frozen aspen]

So he would let his great student literally die. Case in point

[pseudo gulch]

Banana nose

[frozen aspen]

[distant vine]

I read it as Eris' but maybe I was wrong

[pseudo gulch]

ifunny watermark spotted

[distant vine]

Bad meme

[vale heath]

I don’t think Luffy is crying for Garp

[ruby moat]

ifunny.co

[distant vine]

Garp is the strongest and most moral Marine EVER

[proud pivot]

I stole it from the internet johto shut yp

[pseudo gulch]

This is WG propaganda

[distant vine]

Dont push your feelings onto Luffy

[pseudo gulch]

You STOLE an ifunny meme???

[wraith mantle]

bro i miss comick.io

[pseudo gulch]

Shame on you

[solemn reef]

Garp is the strongest

[wraith mantle]

fuck it man i am paying viz

[sweet anvil]

Wrong

[vale heath]

Garp is.

[pseudo gulch]

It's definitely worth it if you read more than one series

[vale heath]

Unfortunately. I wish he wasn’t.

[pseudo gulch]

Even just for one series

[wraith mantle]

hunting down official translations is hard and i cant stand scanlations for anything other than one piece

[frozen aspen]

garp is tough but throwing hands is all he is good for

[round prism]

We are pirates though

[wraith mantle]

yeah thats true

[distant vine]

Like grandfather like grandson

[ruby moat]

Prime garp is the strongest marine we have seen in the series

[trim lily]

until akainu that is

[stone terrace]

We havent seen prime garp

[sweet anvil]

We have ?

[tranquil blade]

This is unfortunately true because Akainu is the senior citizen and depressed teenager hunter

[glass plume]

nor have we seen prime Akainu

[sweet anvil]

Is prime garp not the garp vs shiki and vs chinjao

[trim lily]

the word prime has lost all meaning

[sweet anvil]

We’ve seen prime garp just not him going all out I believe

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/steak-beef-medium-rare-cut-gif-10187554

[sweet anvil]

Same with akainu

[gloomy tree]

so many words

[proud pivot]

I think Akainu is the strongest or second strongest marine in history

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but Shiki fight was offscreen and we dont know how strong that Chinjao was so we dont have any real idea of how strong he is

[ruby moat]

I’m not worried about Akainu passing him

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/lectyres-speed-stream-speed-laughing-ishowspeed-speed-gif-9612557955943858519

[glass plume]

Oda really didn't do him any service in this panel

[gloomy tree]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[tranquil blade]

"Rookie Garling" When he's probably pushing 30

[native seal]

shanks age btw

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah I was about to say

Garling doesn't look like a rookie at all lol

[native seal]

grown ass man who wants to be a father btw

[glass plume]

he looks like he is about 20 or something

i don't think he is that old

[distant vine]

He's not a rookie at slaughtering defenseless non top-tiers 👻

[round prism]

Dude has only been hunting and killing civilians and children. He is still a rookie in terms of fighting with the big shots

[sweet anvil]

Shanks age with another HK and a regenerating army

[pseudo gulch]

Bro wants to be a father 😭

[proud pivot]

Mid-high diff is so funny

[tranquil blade]

Well that's on him for being the slave hunter

[native seal]

brother if garling looks like that after 38 years then he's definitely pushing 30s

[proud pivot]

It was a low diff at best

[sweet anvil]

Idk why people act like garling doesn’t have good feats

[warm sierra]

I was kinda surprised that rocks was caught completely off guard by the demon thing

[wraith mantle]

a lot of powerscaling in also-manga recently

[tranquil blade]

What feats does Garling have

[pseudo gulch]

Any time a character loses people focus on who lost rather than who won for some reason

[glass plume]

it's not something you see from day to day y'know

[pseudo gulch]

That's a great Rocks feat

[sweet anvil]

He killed this king of an unaffiliated nation then he killed his wife then he killed some slaves

[warm sierra]

But he was in the flower chamber

[tranquil blade]

Killing chained up slaves and Mjosgard?

Lmao

[glass plume]

yeah and didn't do shit

[sweet anvil]

Top tier feats

[frozen aspen]

ugh killing slaves and civilians l?

[glass plume]

i don't know why Xebec even went there tbh

[warm sierra]

Yeah I just figured he would know more

[gloomy tree]

there always has been power scaling here as well, but it often is way less degenerate and dumb

[pseudo gulch]

Garling's feats are abusing unarmed civilians lmfao

[tranquil blade]

Garling better hope Imu came through with a yokai form for him

[sweet anvil]

Him going there is enough of a feat lmao

[wraith mantle]

you are dumb

[glass plume]

is it?

[distant vine]

Garling and Somners are so toxic bro. Ik theyre love-hate besties

😭

[gloomy tree]

oh no im so hurt, how will i ever recover from this

[frozen aspen]

imu did nore than sengoku by showing up so far

[sweet anvil]

He walked into enemy territory with 0 back up and walked out untouched keep in mind as soon as sabo even saw imu , imu start going crazy

[frozen aspen]

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-hungry-one-piece-gif-8204678309126689529

[tranquil blade]

Lend me a yokai form Imu this is Mjosgard we're up against

[distant vine]

Guy addicted to parents dying with their kids and guy addicted to fighting bottom tiers

[gloomy tree]

why would you post a picture of yourself now

[glass plume]

no lol

[sweet anvil]

Wdym no ?

[glass plume]

no

[hot cairn]

funny how insane the Garp discussions have gotten

[glass plume]

most of the discussions are unbearable

has there been one genuinely fun discussion to have from this flashback?

[distant vine]

Gonna choose to refrain from them

Just know Garp is innocent

And you can hand me your signed apology forms after God Valley

[native seal]

I think people need to cut some slack on oda cutting fights in a flashback

[sweet anvil]

I wouldn’t say innocent

[stone terrace]

Its insane how evil the wg is

Directly proportional

Id say

[indigo yacht]

He wouldn’t and we know that considering what he did at beehive. He wouldnt need to attack akainu to protect koby . Garp was so far away and didn’t know it was Koby until he stopped yelling and Akainu was mid attack

[pseudo gulch]

They're comically evil

[warm sierra]

Garps motivation was always in question it just gets more and more questionable as Oda dials up the world governments atrocities as we reach the finale imo

[hot cairn]

yeah that’s one topic I aint discussing until Garp is fully explored

[hot cairn]

comicly evil

[gloomy tree]

see here is the thing, i dont think the term "innocent" really fits here, character make decisions for different reasons, Garp thought he could do the most good by staying in the Marines and fostering the next generation of Marines to be better i guess

[native seal]

that's definitely it

[glass plume]

like all the discussions i remember is

Shakky is bad
Goon Valley
Garp is evil
Roger is a gooner
Xebec cult started to form
Loki's feat as a baby
Harald is a bad father

and then there's some highlights like when we get the talk about how great Dragon is

[stone terrace]

Unfortunate reality but i did want to see more from the rocks pirates

[sweet anvil]

Dragon & slaves are the only person on GV I would say are innocent

[gloomy tree]

is he right, hard to say, maybe if he joned his son in his revolution they already could be there, who knows

[sweet anvil]

Actually not dragon completely

[prisma yacht]

Can someone do the !anime thingy

[gloomy tree]

!animo

[tropic nova]

Next episode comes out on <t:1760888700:f> <t:1760888700:R> CR has been late recently so give it around 10-20 minutes

[prisma yacht]

Thanks

[gloomy tree]

you know you could do it yourself

[strong wadi]

damn, i guess god valley residents deserved it then

[prisma yacht]

Oh I didn't know that

[stone terrace]

They count as slaves effectively

[prisma yacht]

!animo

!anime

[native seal]

god valley residents were also slaves were they not

[sweet anvil]

They were slaves no ?

[distant vine]

No

[gloomy tree]

lol

[distant vine]

They were not

[glass plume]

they were taken as slaves

[sweet anvil]

Well either way them too

[stone terrace]

They were in chains either way

[gloomy tree]

i guess you cant here

[stone terrace]

Makes no difference

[prisma yacht]

Lol

[glass plume]

they were just lured into thinking theey weren't

[strong wadi]

no, the slaves would be the ones brought on the boat like ivankov/ginny/kuma

[stone terrace]

All were there to be slaughtered

[strong wadi]

dw im just being a pedantic

[indigo yacht]

This is just it. Is garp innocent? No hes still part of a corrupt system. Individually he is a good person that genuinely wants to save people and the marines provide him a way to do that

[vale gust]

corrupt doing heavy lifting here

[native seal]

garp is complacent man we gotta start accepting it

[distant vine]

Well Im saying innocent to be hyperbolic

[gloomy tree]

yeah exactly

[vale gust]

its not just a 'corrupt' system

[gloomy tree]

he defintiely is, he has flaws

[glass plume]

Garp is probably extremely proud over Dragon tbh

[gloomy tree]

love that for a character

[glass plume]

even tho he likes to hide it

[wraith mantle]

you think i am luffy??

lol

[vale gust]

i am just saying a person who belonged to an organization like WG IRL wouldnt be considered a good person at all. and that too at a very high level

[sweet anvil]

I was confused that people didn’t know dragon is garps son

[distant vine]

If I remove the agenda, I think you can argue that while he does his best to distance himself from the CD's, he still bolsters a group that is at the WG's command

[sweet anvil]

Is dragons full name not known ?

[sweet anvil]

Agreed

[round prism]

If all he did was good though?

[grand flower]

@brittle basin great name

[sweet anvil]

Yes even if

[round prism]

Its not like he joined knowing all this

[distant vine]

Idk if someone like Garp would exist exactly irl

[indigo yacht]

Thats part of his flaw. Hes complacent and knows about the atrocities that happen. He knew of the baby killings post Roger death (which is why he hid ace). Learned of the slave hunts yet stayed with the marines. I do hope we can explore a potential Garp/dragon conversation post god valley, hopefully in a dragon flashback, to see why he didn’t leave the marines there and then

[round prism]

wild

[distant vine]

Garp is very strong as an individual whereas someone irl could actually just get killed

[sweet anvil]

Not really

[glass plume]

people who complain about Garp want him to immediately leave the Marines and start doing shit his way, essentialy taking the law into his own hands lol

[native seal]

I'm so down to see a dragon garp conversation in the near future

[indigo yacht]

Yet for some reason he stays with them and tries to do as much good as he individually can

[grand flower]

Great chapter man

[stone terrace]

Human strength has very little variation

The closest comparison you could probably use is wealth

[sweet anvil]

If I had to guess I think dragon wanted garp to be the figure head for the RA

[native seal]

I know a character who did exactly that

[sweet anvil]

Or the freedom fighters when he started out

[distant vine]

Never forgiving Kaido for what he did this chapter

[glass plume]

yeah, and they complain about him too

[tranquil blade]

The closest you could get is a high ranking official in the military who politicians dislike but is extremely well liked within the military, but yeah there's no real 1:1

[vale gust]

leaving the marines is not taking the law into his hands ?

[final trench]

It is

[grand flower]

What would he accomplish if he did that's as good as saving all the people he's saved? I think it essentially boils down to that in the face of toppling the CDs seeming impossible

[sweet anvil]

So why didn’t people already know dragon was garps son

[warm sierra]

I kinda dont want Shanks to know that it was dragon who saved him

[glass plume]

it is

[final trench]

Its probably kept hidden

[urban lodge]

It wasn't publicly known until Marineford

[sweet anvil]

When garp revealed it on water 7 soldiers sounded surprised

[vale gust]

how do u figure this ?

[sweet anvil]

Oh

[glass plume]

before Marineford they only knew him as "Dragon"

not Monkey D.

[final trench]

I mean doberman already said it

Akainu says it constantly

I think they knew

[glass plume]

well, look at the people who aren't with the Marines

and who are out there fighting

they're branded as criminals

[prisma yacht]

Next chapter is going to be big for garp

[glass plume]

Garp would be too

[brittle basin]

How do I tag feeso now? I think he has a different name than usual.

[indigo yacht]

Dragon flashback may be top 5 and I’m not saying that because I like dragon but because that’s an interaction I’ve been dying to see for years. Dragon being confirmed to have been a marine means he tried to follow in garps footsteps and they don’t seem to be on bad terms considering they still talk

[vale gust]

why does that matter?

[glass plume]

brother

just nevermind

[vale gust]

he doesnt fear the CDs, why should he fear breaking the law ?

[grand flower]

it's very interesting to me that they're still on speaking terms. On both ends tbh

This is why I think they're colluding

[native seal]

I'm still waiting for oda to show the reaction of dragon relating to the news of garp getting kidnapped

Their relationship as a whole is interesting to me

[brittle basin]

@woven talon Hey, Feeso. I'm curious, did TCB do a literal translation for this line? 'Cause I like your version better, since it states directly that Imu is the world almost litearlly. I'm guessing it's probably intended to be a metaphor either way, but I think TCB's version hits harder.

[grand flower]

I agree. Metaphors>similes

[vale gust]

garp and dragon working together is one way to redeem him but that doesnt work given he didnt try to save ace. i think hes a loyal marine

[indigo yacht]

Theres a non-zero chance they are

Tbf garps loyalty to the marines is nebulous

[grand flower]

I think i'm gonna compile evidence later

[barren token]

Garp is loyal to the marines

But not the wg

Which is what dragon directly opposes

[vale gust]

its the same thing

[brittle basin]

The difference between Viz and TCB here is interesting. With TCB, you can almost conclude that Uranus might be there. But it feels more ambiguous with Viz.

[barren token]

^guy who understands nothing

[native seal]

We are not ready for the convos of shimotsuki x revs alliance

I think alliances will be the secret powers of the revolutionary army

[grand flower]

I'm gonna tie this into my theory that the Navy originated from Wano samurai

[strong wadi]

i didnt think tcb was talking about uranus either

[native seal]

There's a path for Red Hair x Revs alliance too now btw

Alliances are definitely something to be explored for the RA

[sweet anvil]

I wonder at what point will Fujitora swap sides

[sweet anvil]

Sadly shanks will die

[vale gust]

yea its not the marines who were killing pregnant women or children of ohara

[brittle basin]

Neither did I necessarily, but I could see how that conclusion could be a bit more easily drawn.

[sweet anvil]

Won’t happen

[strong wadi]

it sounded exactly like how they were scared of luffy's fruit being awakened on wano and it seemed like a callback

(at least to me)

[barren token]

^guy doubling down on lack of knowing

[vale gust]

this is just plain cope. u cant seperate marines from them being an instrument of oppression of wg

[brittle basin]

My thought was that they just all assumed that all the crazy stuff happening would maybe just up and destroy the entire island.

[wraith mantle]

oda is probably happy to draw kaido's dragon form again

i know he had so much fun with it in wano

[brittle basin]

"I love drawing dragon scales over and over again"

[stone terrace]

This is why we have a break btw

[native seal]

I'm just happy we're seeing whitebeard right now

[wraith mantle]

aite man when you put it this way

[dense rapids]

The viz version only says “a devil fruit” when Gaban finds the treasure so I guess that’s gonna be dragon’s

[warm sierra]

Why is that so crazy to begin with though? Whitebeard would just have to shake his fist a bit

[brittle basin]

[stone terrace]

Hang Kaido. HANG HIM

[grand flower]

bruh

[brittle basin]

.....maybe he should next chapter. 😎

[grand flower]

I can't believe i didn't peep there was a break

I'm gonna cry

[brittle basin]

lmaoooo

[trim lily]

none one piece left beef

[native seal]

3 chapters in a row after this trust

[prisma yacht]

They were actually evacuating them. It was akainu and his sense of justice

[brittle basin]

that's gotta hurt shuron, just like it did me thursday. these have been the most painful breaks in a long while

[proud pivot]

How many chapters left for elbaf, i predict 30

[urban lodge]

60

[native seal]

how many chapters are we in for elbaf

[proud pivot]

Wtf

[proud pivot]

Like almost 40

[prisma yacht]

30 max I believe

[native seal]

30 is my guess too

[brittle basin]

we need to: send imu back, get brook and gunko's backstory, give usopp some time to shine, and show the heaven realm. bonus points for: urouge and vivi both showing up

[urban lodge]

Y'all are very optimistic huh

[vale gust]

and akainu is what ? did he face any consequences for it ?

[strong wadi]

As long as there is no movie to force oda's hand, elbaf will be 90 more chapters 🧘‍♂️

[native seal]

with how oda is offscreening every flashback fight I'm very optimistic

[tranquil blade]

We've been in the arc for 33 ish chapters so far, so I predict we will be here for 45 more chapters

[proud pivot]

It seems like we're at the end of elbaf after this flashback finishes because imu is literally here

[round prism]

From the corrupt government ?

[brittle basin]

if elbaf is 60-90 more, it's going to lead right into laugh tale and the final war literally, like literally in the middle of the arc

[prisma yacht]

No shit man his ass was proud

[dense rapids]

The final war then laugh tale

[strong wadi]

WCI, Wano, and Egghead were all significantly longer than expected. It's happening again, so just adjust your prediction for that.

[vale gust]

there should be an arc abt the island before laugh tale

forgot its name

[native seal]

Egghead dragged out after the 5 elders arrival

[tulip turtle]

lodestar

[vale gust]

oh yea

[warm sierra]

We still need to go to vira

[brittle basin]

[dense rapids]

Tbh we’re almost done with the big flashback of the arc

So it could be ending sooner

[vale gust]

lodestar, laughtale, final war, epilogue. given no random tangents

[thick mango]

It's too late for random tangents I think

[strong wadi]

well wano was like 85ish? chapters after the big flashback of the arc

[dense rapids]

Hachinosu
FMI
New marineford

[native seal]

I wonder what the ending of the elbaf arc will connect to, what will be the big revelation, the next objective

[urban lodge]

Wano still had like 90 chapters after the big flashback

[proud pivot]

I say we'll enter next arc at the end of 2027 or beginning of 28

[dense rapids]

FMI and new marineford will be along side holy land arc

[brittle basin]

My Goda won't make that mistake again

[prisma yacht]

This won't

[brittle basin]

1998 Oda is back baby. Lean and mean.

[urban lodge]

90 no, 60 yes

[dense rapids]

The pacing is different in Elbaph

[prisma yacht]

30

[dense rapids]

Doesn’t feel like Wano at all

[vale gust]

60 is crazy

[prisma yacht]

At best

[thick mango]

Egghead only had like 20-40 after flashback right? And even that felt long

[grand flower]

Elbaph will be longer than Wano because Elbaph backwards is Phable. We're in lore nuke central baybee

[urban lodge]

We might not even be out of the flashback in 10 chapters

[brittle basin]

Egghead's ending maybe did take a minute, as much as I loved all the lore

[prisma yacht]

My bet is 3 more chaps for flashback

[dense rapids]

If Oda doesn’t include Loki adventures there’s no way it goes over 10

[urban lodge]

It's not ending with god valley ending

[warm sierra]

3 more chapters to conclude gv and haralds death? No shot

[graceful belfry]

[strong wadi]

egghead was an escape. Elbaf is a defend-the-nation arc

[dense rapids]

We should be out of the flashback at least before the new year

[brittle basin]

I think the flashback is ending within 5 chapters max if we're lucky. Rocks can die in 2 more, then we can quickly transition to Loki and Harald.

[thick mango]

Yeah but the post god valley stuff will be quick

[prisma yacht]

God valley is ending in next chapter

[native seal]

3 more chaps for god valley, 3 more chaps for Harald's death

[dense rapids]

Elbaph is still a time limit arc

The holy land is being attacked

Imu isn’t gonna stay there for days

[thick mango]

It's not going from God valley deep dive to completely new deep dive

[dense rapids]

All of this is going on the same day the strawhats landed on Elbaph

[round prism]

Wouldnt really mind that to be honest.

[urban lodge]

Every arc is a time limit arc

[dense rapids]

Hasn’t even been a full day on the island yet

[urban lodge]

Wano was too because of the stupid bomb plot

[vale gust]

theres only like 3 villains tho ?

[strong wadi]

good thing irl chapters dont have to correspond to in-time of the series 😭

[proud pivot]

Elbaf will end quicker when Akainu arrives

Ok bye

[warm sierra]

All of it being one day means absolutely nothing in terms of chapter amount

[dense haven]

we still need the gunkmu flashback

[brittle basin]

Elbaf has further unexplored lore, too, such as the mural and the 3K year old facility

[vale gust]

fuk no

[native seal]

wasn't raid on onigashima overnight, I've just stopped trusting one piece times

[brittle basin]

and usopp needs his power-up

[strong wadi]

people forgetting act 3 was literally 1 night and was like 90 chapters and dressrosa was 1 day and was 100 chapters 😭

[wraith mantle]

what was wci time bomb

[dense rapids]

All of that will be explained in unison with the fight

There will be people in each realm as Luffy and Loki fight Imu I’m guessing

I’m predicting random people will appear on Elbaph as the arc goes on

[urban lodge]

Making the cake

[strong wadi]

all of wci was like 2 days i think

[brittle basin]

random people? elaborate

[native seal]

The entire heaven realm is unexplored

[barren token]

Each chapter directly equals 20 minutes of in universe time

[brittle basin]

yeah i mentiond this earlier as well. that's where we will cut to Urouge and his harem

[glass plume]

Enel needs to come too

[indigo yacht]

I was quickly reading the ASL flashback and i just remembered how it ended oh my days

[prisma yacht]

How do we knowthat

[indigo yacht]

[barren token]

Luffy said it

[native seal]

I've always supported urouge in elbaf, perfect place for him to be

[prisma yacht]

[wraith mantle]

mf

[brittle basin]

!urucrew

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/631168230958039109/image0.jpg

[glass plume]

if this chapter was released today people would say this is an aura loss

[wraith mantle]

imagine wasting panel space on fucking urouge 😭

[indigo yacht]

Yes the entirety of Dressrosa is like 2 days max

[native seal]

Urouge is a supernova man if he doesn't get time here then when

[prisma yacht]

Hey what 😭

[native seal]

he ain't even a character like bogard he's genuinely important

[wraith mantle]

i am fine with urouge not getting time

its over for him

[vale gust]

given that HKs are bums, i think the fights are gonna be pretty short

[native seal]

I'm not, especially when all the other supernovas got their time

[brittle basin]

Sommers death soon

[grand flower]

Urouge is cool

[indigo yacht]

They arrive to Dressrosa, fight in the colosseum, sabo steals the fruit and then they fight doflamingo all in the same day. then they rest at night which is when sabo visits and meets with Zoro and Robin. Then they leave, the crew leaves and form the grand fleet. 2 days

[trim lily]

if only urouge was real

[hasty sable]

Never reaching anything like this again

[thick mango]

Another arc maybe. Or a little kaido aside. No way we entering a second extended flashback

[grand flower]

didnt luffy and law sleep for 3 days?

[indigo yacht]

Etooo… I’d have to check

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-kill-that-boy-gif-10995655256313545438

[brittle basin]

urouge is the most annoying name to spell in this damn manga. i'm pretty sure i've spelled it every way imaginable.

[grand flower]

What's eto?

[indigo yacht]

I know Fuji was doing that gambling gimmick

[indigo yacht]

[wraith mantle]

this reminds me how goated jimbei is

[native seal]

get your japanese game up

[grand flower]

Yeah I think he did that each day

He rolled to arrest them on the day they woke up

Fate

[hasty sable]

Honestly sometimes wish One Piece was a lot shorter because you’d think something like this would happen towards the end of the story not halfway through and the Straw Hats never really have another low point after this

[round prism]

To this day i still believe him to have the best title in One Piece

[grand flower]

Do you think they're gonna have one again?

[hasty sable]

Nah

[indigo yacht]

Yea they rested for a few days @grand flower

[round prism]

First knight of the sea

[brittle basin]

One Piece Kai when?

[round prism]

[wraith mantle]

[hasty sable]

I think it’s all uphill for them now

[prisma yacht]

They don't need low points anymore

[grand flower]

the one piece

by wit

[native seal]

don't need that many low points when you're finding one piece in 2 years

[barren token]

Archer yearns for the end of act 2 low point

[hasty sable]

So true

[thick mango]

I don't think that's true. There won't be a sabaody level loss again but there will be small defeats along the way

[brittle basin]

the raid will fail

[indigo yacht]

Dude imagine if Oda was younger and he made the raid fail

[glass plume]

be genuine, do you want another timeskip lol

[brittle basin]

i don't want another timeskip

[indigo yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[urban lodge]

Maybe if it's like a few weeks

[wraith mantle]

i am confident imu is gonna defeat the strawhats in elbaf pretty convincingly

[brittle basin]

just give the straw hats haki and call it a day

[indigo yacht]

Depends on what you consider a timeskip

[urban lodge]

Not like years or anything

[grand flower]

You guys reckon there was ever a time when DFs had more than one copy exist at a time?

[trim lily]

chopper haki drug soon

[indigo yacht]

Act 2 Wano had like a 2 week timeskip I think

[native seal]

if we do a year timeskip BB would have already found the one piece

[glass plume]

1 week time skip would count even

[ashen perch]

WCI/Wano was really that last chance for a definitive BIG lowpoint, we'll get defeats obviously but nothing on the level of Marineford/Sabaody

[glass plume]

i think it would be kinda neat if they trained with Gaban a bit after Elbaph

[indigo yacht]

Since they needed to wait for the fire festival to start

[hasty sable]

There was opportunity for it with Luffy literally dying but it’s too late now

[prisma yacht]

This and Rage moments

[thick mango]

I think elbaf is a pretty good opportunity for a loss. I was thinking yesterday about possible loki betrayal. Nothing about this flashback makes him noble or trustworthy. It's just sad. Killing your father isn't the only way to be a bad person

[barren token]

Egghead was the last opportunity

[hasty sable]

I think the entire emperor storyline should have been a great deal shorter

[ashen perch]

Oda undid that within the same chapter so really, it was never meant to be that big of a deal

[barren token]

Saturn should have beat luffy and sent his ass to impel down

[glass plume]

Elbaph being taken over completely by the WG at the end of this arc would be absolutely peak

[wraith mantle]

loki betrayal?? i would be interested to see how socrates cope with that

[stone terrace]

He'd love it

[hasty sable]

Kaido winning at Wano and going straight to war with the Marines would have been crazy

[indigo yacht]

I want to believe it Oda was younger and didn’t have to move the story along he would’ve made that a low point. Either that or egghead. With his age and current health downturns he can’t afford to slow the story down line that anymore

[thick mango]

If we're flipping marineford where Amazon lily became strong allies loki could become an enemy. Maybe ally with bb, the son of his idol, rocks

[indigo yacht]

Same with fights. We just get altercations because the story unfortunately demands we don’t spend time seeing the fight itself

[barren token]

Oda trying his best to not slow the story down like that anymore but is fundamentally incapable of making an arc under 70 chapters

[vale gust]

how would that be relevant to the straw hats

[hasty sable]

I think it’s honestly just that he doesn’t want to write low points for Luffy anymore

[indigo yacht]

Series bloat

[vale heath]

I think a rule break needs an example shown, and not the assumption the rule was never in place.

[indigo yacht]

Chapters are already packed with so many moving parts

[indigo yacht]

He can’t afford to do that anymore

[ashen perch]

I mean those 70 chapters are already so packed as is recently lol

[hasty sable]

Entire post-timeskip series would be better to me if he had a little restraint.

It could be half as long as it is if not less

[ashen perch]

he has had too much restraint

[native seal]

There's no way oda doesn't have backup plans in case his health declines

[hasty sable]

I wish OP was joever

[barren token]

He's already uploaded his brain into the ai dw

[wraith mantle]

oda is 50 or something

hes not that old

[vale gust]

yup

[native seal]

I would be paranoid if I was oda

[barren token]

50 in mangaka years is like 80

[ashen perch]

well its that old for a mangaka

yea

[pulsar path]

Why is there no episode!

[wraith mantle]

is it?

[pulsar path]

Wtf is happening;?!!

Why are they doing this to me

[wraith mantle]

whats the mangaka life expectancy

[pulsar path]

62

[wraith mantle]

holy

[pulsar path]

Yeah

[ashen perch]

yes lol, they are physically broken just 5 years into weekly serialization, Oda is nearing 30

[pulsar path]

It's bad

[wraith mantle]

this nigga about to finish one piece into dying

[vale gust]

dw oda is built different

[native seal]

have you not heard of oda getting 3 hours of sleep, being a chainsmoker and all other atrocities 😭

[prisma yacht]

Dw oda will live longer he is happy

[vale gust]

plus oda has slowed down alot in recent years

[grand flower]

damn oda is 50

[wraith mantle]

i refuse to believe the 3 hour sleep thing

[warm sierra]

Oda is living his dream we know what that does in OP terms

[ashen perch]

yea, he hit 50 this year

[indigo yacht]

Mangaka age like dogs

[ashen perch]

it maaay not be true anymore, but it definitely used to be

[barren token]

Tears going down odas face as he realises he's about to write another 100 chapter arc and he has to come to terms with the fact he will never really get to spend meaningful time with his wife and daughters but he has to do this. For Luffy.

[trim lily]

that was like 10+ years ago so it’s not true anymore

[indigo yacht]

I don’t mean that as an insult but it’s like lebron still playing in the NBA. He’s not as good as he was and that’s ancient for NBA standards

[hazy turret]

Damn Oda unc 😭

[hasty sable]

Oda when he adds another seventy chapters to the story because Luffy won’t let him skip Elbaf

[indigo yacht]

Still performs at a high level but his current highs are his old lows

[native seal]

didn't oda promise his wife a tour of some sort after one piece ends

[wraith mantle]

damn bruh thats actually insane

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/endy-pray-gif-25340176

[trim lily]

we’re stealing his family from him

[barren token]

Good

[ashen perch]

Oda wanted to go on a world tour yea

[wraith mantle]

whats the point of having insane wealth if you cant enjoy it

[warm sierra]

One piece has never been better, people are crazy

[wraith mantle]

i dont understand oda

[trim lily]

i mean have you seen his house, i think he does enjoy it

[stone terrace]

Its not about the money

[hasty sable]

You get to be the best character in Bakuman

[native seal]

his house is insane

[indigo yacht]

It was true for a while. Part of the mandated breaks. He did say in a later interview he is healthier and goes on walks nd stopped chain smoking

[vale gust]

he enjoys making one piece

[grand flower]

at least he's not chopped

[ashen perch]

Oda said he was extremely jealous of Kishimoto when he told him he gets to spend time with his family now and that he finally went on a honeymoon with his wife

[barren token]

We're really letting oda get away Scott free with thriller bark here

[ashen perch]

after Naruto ended

[stone terrace]

People who do great things are motivated by more than wealth

[ashen perch]

so Oda wants all that

[hazy turret]

Maybe he doesn’t want to spend time with them

[wraith mantle]

yeah exactly, going on vacations, spending time with your family and kids

[native seal]

it's beautiful how oda never lost his drive for one piece

[hasty sable]

Oda should have just wrapped it in two sagas after Marineford then he could relax

[dense haven]

oda is already sick again

[wraith mantle]

glad to hear that ngl, my goat deserves the best

[indigo yacht]

After Kozuki Moria thriller bark went up the proverbial arc totem pole

[barren token]

Oda adding another 30 chapters to elbaf so he doesn't have to go out with his bitch wife and annoying fucking daughters anymore

[native seal]

I do believe oda loves his work but the fandom pressure has to also be a major part of him continuing

[ashen perch]

the series would just have to be entirely rewritten for it to be shorter, its just not possible with the scale its been at since really forever

he basically cant do anything about it

[wraith mantle]

his daughter's favorite character is boa

she must be annoying af

[indigo yacht]

I mean technically that’s what he’s doing. The first half of the timeskip up to Wano is the yonko saga. Egghead onwards is the final saga

[hasty sable]

[wraith mantle]

i think he dont give a shit about the fandom

he just does it for the love of the game

[prisma yacht]

[native seal]

you think the fans won't hunt oda down tomorrow if he decides to quit lol

bs

[wraith mantle]

like i doubt he reads one piece discorse online

[vale gust]

what would u guys cut ? parts of wano and egghead. i think all other arcs are really good. one piece isnt a story u can look at a macro level and decide its too long.

[wraith mantle]

honestly i wouldn't cut anything

[barren token]

I would cut out the minks

Oda clearly wishes he did

[indigo yacht]

[native seal]

he cut out carrot's goodbye that's a start

[ashen perch]

I think cutting out the warlords and supernovas is the radical change to the series that would massively reduce the length of the series

[warm sierra]

Carrot coverstory next

[ashen perch]

its not something I would do, absolutely not

[woven heron]

[ashen perch]

but it would be effective

[urban lodge]

Yeah the warlords alone probably added a whole decade to the story

[indigo yacht]

So mych would have to be rewritten but yea warlords and supernova. They were last minute decisions iirc

[woven talon]

I’d say ours is more literal.

[indigo yacht]

The yonko were the original big foes

[wraith mantle]

supernovas were i am sure, but warlordS? idk

[woven talon]

I’ll find the Japanese one sec

[urban lodge]

I wouldn't change a thing though, the warlords were some of the best additions

[leaden rivet]

The warlords were better than the yonko tbh

[sturdy steeple]

Cutting out supernovas would probably work but cannot imagine emperors being cut down.

[barren token]

Yeah but warlords gave us thriller bark so maybe it's worth cutting them out

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/stuart-stuartlarkin-madtv-gif-4899711

[hasty sable]

Would keep all of pre-timeskip

[barren token]

Man i fucking hate thriller bark

[round prism]

Crocodile had me locked in

[indigo yacht]

They would probably be mixed into one group

[ashen perch]

emperors cant be cut down

[leaden rivet]

Pretty much all the warlords were great except Moria

[wraith mantle]

punk hazard could have been way shorter

maybe

[sturdy steeple]

I wanted to say warlords.

[leaden rivet]

We can do without him

[indigo yacht]

So the good of the warlords go to the yonko

[sturdy steeple]

My bad.

[stone terrace]

Oda went and did kozuki moria man dgaf about finishing one piece

[hasty sable]

It’s mostly post-timeskip I think you could change things. That’s where series bloat became an issue.

[ashen perch]

ah gotcha

[vale heath]

The 6 warlords of the sea (we just remove Moria and thriller bark)

[wraith mantle]

fmi, cut or no cut?

[hasty sable]

I don’t think it should have taken five hundred chapters to take out two emperors

[vale heath]

The rest are fine

[ashen perch]

we dont have to remove the warlords as characters

[indigo yacht]

Series bloat started in alabasta when he introduced pluton

[strong wadi]

Just dont have the timeskip, so no kuja island/impel down/marineford, just go straight to fmi

[prisma yacht]

Thriller bark was fun

[vale heath]

We need FMI

[leaden rivet]

We could do without thriller bark

[indigo yacht]

Let’s go back even further actually.. chapter 100 dragon added bloat

[prisma yacht]

Hellnaw

[wraith mantle]

kozuki moria tho?

[woven talon]

Japanese is very direct saying that is the world

[vale gust]

egghead and wano have set up a bad precedent i think where oda for some reason drags out the ending which makes the arcs alot worse. both of them had incredible setup

[woven talon]

So yeah adding in represents is a choice here

[wraith mantle]

fr

[ashen perch]

Oda just had to reduce their roles, like Doflamingo just being the Joker of the All Stars would have been incredible

[sturdy steeple]

It would just end up a very different story if we cut them down even as villains. Cannot tell if it'd be good. Oda would have to restructure ALL.

[wraith mantle]

introduced an insanely useless faction

[distant vine]

https://youtu.be/B3X7-f478_g?si=GDhYrLdLN2GAt1ev

[barren token]

Just cut all of one piece and just have the story be about a guy who has to slay demons after they kill his family and turn his sister into one

[distant vine]

Red King getting one shot next week

[sturdy steeple]

Goodbye, Red King.

[hasty sable]

I kind of like the idea of Doflamingo surviving Dressrosa and just being a Law boss at Wano. I wish he’d stuck with that plan.

[sturdy steeple]

You were the hero we didn't deserve.

[woven talon]

What is that, you ask? Indeed... that would be... !!! The World!

Would probably be the most literal way to say it @brittle basin

[vale gust]

this made me remember how insanely underdeveloped the rebels still are and we dont have any arcs left where they could be centralized characters except the final war

[ashen perch]

the original idea was him not being a warlord at all, just being the subordinate of Kaido, would have been fun for sure

[barren token]

Bb will kill imu we know this

[pine urchin]

Verily? Or indeed

[native seal]

they were built as an end game faction in the first place so it's expected

[distant vine]

If we had to do cuts yeah Id cut down on Warlords and Supernovas

[vale heath]

Doflamingo can’t be a minion

[native seal]

the WG doesn't just get toppled in the middle of the story

[vale gust]

given how many liberate the country arcs we have, its wild that rebels have had such minimal involvement

[vale heath]

A man that charismatic demands the whole stage

[distant vine]

and I can think of an island to cut...

[urban lodge]

A few of the warlords would have still existed in a different form for sure, Mihawk is the obvious one

Probably Jimbei

Crocodile too I feel

[stone terrace]

Well

[ashen perch]

Oda said that he has no regrets about the warlords but only after saying "man why didnt I make them the Five Warlords of the Sea" so I guess theres atleast a few he would cut down lol

[stone terrace]

You could cut one of the yonko

Make them the sanko

[barren token]

Moria...

[ashen perch]

NOT Moria

[sturdy steeple]

Moria

It has to be Moria

[vale gust]

thats not what i mean. just getting to know more about the rebels would be nice. oda could have had some rebels in the countless 'save the country 'arcs we have had.

[vale heath]

Remove Moria

[indigo yacht]

If you think Revos are underdeveloped there’s an entire faction (bounty hunters) that’s pretty much non-existent. You have to head canon why bounty hunters are irrelevant to the series

[native seal]

True true

bounty hunters 😭

[distant vine]

Enel's begging for change on the street in the Indigex Cut

[vale gust]

lol

[vale heath]

Anime keeps trying to bring in bounty hunters for filler

There’s like 3 arcs of ‘em

[stone terrace]

LRLL is getting fired into the sun

[indigo yacht]

No

[frozen aspen]

most bounty hunters are sinply too weak to fight the straw hats so they don't even try

[distant vine]

"But Skypiea's lore" Nope! Dont care!

[hasty sable]

For supernovas I do think you could trim it down to like… Luffy, Law, Kid. Even better, I think you could use some of the others to flesh out their crews so it doesn’t feel like the straw hats are the only have strong crews.

[barren token]

If you remove lrll you're a pussy

[frozen aspen]

is what id like to think is the case

[indigo yacht]

LRLL is 19 chapters long man

[grand flower]

Hajrudin is great man

[stone terrace]

Meow

[warm sierra]

Kid is like the most cuttable super nova

[indigo yacht]

No Davy back fight means no rocks

[brittle basin]

10/10 good job.

[stone terrace]

Unfortunate collateral

[hazy turret]

[urban lodge]

Well it's definitely Urouge

[frozen aspen]

if I was hajrudin I would have kicked road of a cliff

[barren token]

I would remove the arcs i don't like but keep the arcs i do like i think

[sturdy steeple]

I don't really see Crocoboy, Doffy, Boa, Kuma, Jinbei being cut down.

[hazy turret]

I would remove Skypiea

[distant vine]

Icon wants to cut out one of the Final Saga's most important story mechanics? Lol

[warm sierra]

You cant say Urogue is cuttable when we havent seen him do something yet

[indigo yacht]

Why do you hate me

[vale heath]

Demonstrably you can remove Urouge and nothing really changed

[vale gust]

ragebait

[vale heath]

Snack can be a Brook fight tbh

[hazy echo]

https://x.com/awfulowafalo/status/1977247005648023876?s=46

WAFALO (SHOP IS OPEN til 10/10) (@awfulowafalo)

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[woven talon]

Just そうだ — which is just a generic yeah, indeed, that’s right ect.

[graceful belfry]

Telling Road’s backstory in three panels is such peakery

[hazy turret]

Yeah I’m just joshing

[ashen perch]

I haven't finished ONE PIECE yet despite the 20-year-serialization. The main reason is these guys (Shichibukai). At first, I intended to finish ONE PIECE in 5 years. It was supposed to be a story to fight against pirates called Yonkou. However, I came up with the idea of Shichibukai... I just thought, "It would be badass if these characters showed up". Then as you can see, it caused this long serialization!!

Why didn't I make them Gobukai or Nibukai!! (TN: "Go" means 5, "Ni" means 2 and "Shichi" as in Shichibukai means 7 in Japanese.) I thought 7 was a cool number!! That being said, I don't regret it since I drew what I wanted. ...I'm regretting a bit!!

[brittle basin]

I would keep every arc 'cause Oda is a great writer who makes no mistakes.

[distant vine]

I think if Drake captured a huge part of an arc I would have removed him

[ashen perch]

lmao he said "Nibukai" too, just TWO warlords 😭

[sturdy steeple]

Moria doesn't really add much to the story if I am honest.
Mihawk could've been replaced by anyone else as a title holder.

[hazy turret]

Skypiea definitely has a lot of fat that couple be trimmed

[hasty sable]

Skypiea can stay but Ganfall should be humbled

[pine urchin]

Thanks!

[vale gust]

he was

[distant vine]

Going straight from Alabasta to LRLL...

Itd be so peak 😭

[brittle basin]

the scarf flowing like a dragon is quite creative

[stone terrace]

Syrup village is getting nuked

[distant vine]

Alabasta straight to Enies Lobby would be a generational run

[hazy turret]

Lrll truthers

[barren token]

I like pretty much every arc and wouldn't really want to cut any but if we're talking for the benefit of the overall story I think we can cut

[woven talon]

Okay I spot checked viz. I didn’t see anything too crazy different tho

[stone terrace]

We meet usopp at baratie dw

[graceful belfry]

Lmao

[woven talon]

Lmk if there’s anything else to look into

[distant vine]

Syrup Village doesnt need to get cut, it just needs Kuro to be a good antagonist @stone terrace

[vale heath]

Wafalo with another W

[sturdy steeple]

Meaning it has to be cut down because it's impossible.

[ashen perch]

I mean you can cut like anything from the story but I just think it would be bad and I would rather the series be even longer than it already is 😔

[distant vine]

If Kuro was actually smart, Syrup Village is a respectable arc

[hazy echo]

Huh now that I think about it

[hazy turret]

Did we need thriller bark and whole cake? I feel like those are the most side tour-y arcs

Besides Skypiea

[vale gust]

cut act 3 of wano to 50 chapters max ong.

[indigo yacht]

Oda fell victims to one of the classic blunders

[vale heath]

I genuinely think Kuro being a good antagonist requires Usopp to be a bad character

[woven talon]

I was a bit concerned about a couple of points this week as Sengoku is vague about the marine who disappeared and the gorosei are vague about what would happen if the fighting wasn’t stopped

[distant vine]

Yes we need Thriller Bark

[hazy echo]

Would Kata achieve awakening with the Dragon DF if he had it

[native seal]

I'm shooting thriller bark

[distant vine]

Sanji fans are kinda annoying about Whole Cake but it has Sulong Carrot so I'll spare it

[grand flower]

Hajrudin is a lot like Luffy. Just like Loki

[barren token]

Cut this cut that how about you guys cut some bitches

[vale gust]

nightmare luffy ? 💔

[ashen perch]

wtf

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-sure-you-sure-about-that-dog-watching-gif-26139783

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-god-valley-gif-6779252170843509990

[ashen perch]

that would hurt them

[distant vine]

Garling? Sommners?

[brittle basin]

https://youtu.be/57TBd8_1E9Y?t=6

[woven talon]

To be fair we don’t know where the logue naturally points after Arabasta. For all we know it could be straight to enies lol

[vale gust]

also that arc is worth keeping alone for the luffy putting the zombie back into the grave joke

[hazy turret]

Please give me the tldr

[graceful belfry]

I need it too

[ashen perch]

if we're talking sidetrips, we should cut Marineford

[sturdy steeple]

I'd cut down Dressrosa as well with Law. I cannot stand that backstory of his that he made up for people to feel bad for him.

[woven talon]

Luffy is named after the sailing term

[ashen perch]

objectively a sidetrip, Oda said it

[distant vine]

Woah

[hazy turret]

That would mean impel down too though

[brittle basin]

No. Support local struggling YouTubers.

[vale gust]

cut water 7 and ennies lobby

[native seal]

we're cutting the entire series

[hazy turret]

Didn’t he say the same about Moria

[brittle basin]

explain like i'm an idiot (i am)

[stone terrace]

We can fit amazon lily into 2 chapters i think

[ashen perch]

no.

[hazy turret]

Arsal I don’t believe you

[sturdy steeple]

I think he did, Rokaya.

I'm the source.

[hazy turret]

That’s fair

[distant vine]

I wouldn't cut Dressrosa but I think I would block Oda from being a cornball and resetting the progression by having Doflamingo lift his castle

Such a waste of time

[prisma yacht]

He is actually the most important character

[ashen perch]

I imagine when he says 5 Warlords, one cut is DEFINITELY Doflamingo because he was originally just supposed to be the Joker of the Beast Pirates

[sturdy steeple]

Well tbh you can cut down Dressrosa and have most of its plotpoints be resolved in Wano or idk

[indigo yacht]

Honest you could cut Dressrosa but cutting the birdcage entirely

[distant vine]

Well he was right to give Doffy his island

[vale gust]

dressrosa is immaculate

[woven talon]

Luffing is when a sailing vessel is steered towards the wind (which is hard / going against what’s easy)

[pine urchin]

But then you wouldn’t have Sabo

[hazy turret]

Most important character of The Biggest Loser maybe

[distant vine]

NO

[barren token]

Doflamingo is cut?

[ashen perch]

the other might be idk, hard to say that one

[pine urchin]

😆

[ashen perch]

it was revealed in the latest sbs

[vale gust]

just cut the entire pre ts and begin the story at post ts

[barren token]

Dressrosa is my favourite arc can we not talk about cutting it it makes me upset :(

[ashen perch]

(oda would never answer those questions about men so you know this is false)

[stone terrace]

Oh

Punk hazard

GONE

[sturdy steeple]

Current Oda would cut down fights of the fleet members and it would be peak.

Like no one cares about their fights I am sorry

[ashen perch]

Punk Hazard is already the result of cuts

[distant vine]

Idk if what happened with Big Mom is how I would like it

[graceful belfry]

Idk about removing or changing anything from/about the manga, but I do think nearly the same effect being discussed could be achieved if every major arc was trimmed down by 10-20 chapters, and much wouldn’t be lost

[hazy turret]

Oh I thought cut as in like gym and losing weight

[distant vine]

and idk if thatd require changes to WCI

[brittle basin]

Oh, is luffing an English word? I don't think I've ever seen it before.

[indigo yacht]

Old Oda would draw random fights that slow down the story ngl

[pine urchin]

Is there a flashback you’d cut out

[indigo yacht]

Oda just can’t detour fights now

[native seal]

what do you know about that discord mod

[barren token]

I'm starting to think this conversation isn't actually about improving one pieces pacing and is more just a reskin of talking about arcs we don't like

[pine urchin]

Say fisher tiger

[hazy turret]

Just because I’m fat doesn’t mean I’m stupid

[ashen perch]

Oda was planning to do a fire island arc and an ice island arc, and then he thought "ughh, too long" so he made up Akainu v Aokiji to combine the two arcs

[woven talon]

Sailing terms like Lodestar don’t come up often. It’s why we assumed Road poneglyph

[brittle basin]

All of them. No sob stories SMH

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I've seen people complain about it but I'm actually thankful for most of the cuts.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-yeah-hes-on-to-me-hes-on-to-me-on-to-me-gif-20855206

[pine urchin]

Fish man island is a drag imo

[woven talon]

But with more context Lode seems more likely now

To match lodestar and their role as a pointer

[ashen perch]

Dressrosa is also already the result of some cuts

[brittle basin]

Wait. Lodestar is also a real word? I thought Oda just made that up.

[indigo yacht]

It’s a necessary evil because seeing rocks fight off the demon army + Garling even though he can no diff them would slow down the story and we wouldn’t get the last page of the chapter until next chapter

[ashen perch]

He was planning to do a dwarf arc and a regular Dressrosa arc but then he just combined the two

[woven talon]

Nope it’s real. That’s why you lose things when you stick to the first assumption.

[stone terrace]

What if oda didnt do that thing where characters are just running around for chapters on end

[vale gust]

hopefully anime shows the fights

[stone terrace]

We could reduce the chapter count by 20%

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hanks-forrest-gump-not-a-smart-man-not-smart-gif-4495828

[ashen perch]

running around is what keeps the story from being longer

[indigo yacht]

Green bit just became an offshoot of Dressrosa

[woven talon]

The North Star is a lodestar. A guiding star

[brittle basin]

Does "lode" mean guide?

[sturdy steeple]

Exactly, yeah. The main fights involving these characters are not going anywhere.
But I don't care about one-sided massacres. Let us just skip through that, lol.

[barren token]

We just need to make oda 34% more woke and the straw hat dick sbs will be real

[woven talon]

More or less but the etymology is more complicated. That’s what it’s come to mean tho

[vale gust]

omg this mans editor be fighting for his life i know it

[ashen perch]

he decided that on his own

[woven talon]

It’s closer to way or course “like path finder” —

[barren token]

Tontatta arc where the main villain is also a Tontatta might have gone hard

[woven talon]

But this is old English shiz

[vale gust]

oda is a heightist. did an arc abt giants but not about dwarfs

[woven talon]

That’s why no translator would think

Lode poneglyph

Till later context

[sturdy steeple]

We had Dressrosa with tontattas so we good

[barren token]

Uwu

[ashen perch]

so true

[woven talon]

Road works out perfectly well tho

[ashen perch]

you guys are talking about cuts but really

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-leo-leo-one-piece-dressrosa-dwarves-gif-25534741

[woven talon]

Might even be related since lode is basically path poneglyph

[ashen perch]

I would have rather had the unrestrained Oda...

[woven talon]

But I like old sailing terms and old English in op

[ashen perch]

maybe if he was like immortal and eternally youthful

[trim lily]

freak oda

[indigo yacht]

If we find the fountain of youth we dip Oda into it

[woven talon]

Makes it feel more legit pirate in its lore

[barren token]

Oda where he doesn't have to cut 5 pages off of every chapter...

[ashen perch]

man...

[indigo yacht]

I want an unrestraint oda like back in early one piece where he had all the time in the world

[sturdy steeple]

I enjoy One Piece for what it is

[ashen perch]

its actually more than 5, its 30 pages of drafts to 17 pages according to him

[woven talon]

Hey he can expand for a Kanzenban if he wants post series

[sturdy steeple]

Yes, even Thriller Bark

[pine urchin]

I mean op hasn’t been a pirate manga for a while

[barren token]

Man...

[sturdy steeple]

Some of it at lesat

[indigo yacht]

People complain post TS doesn’t feel like pre TS because we don’t get time to explore but that’s because Oda is an old man that has to finish the story eventually

[vale heath]

I like one piece

[woven talon]

Shaman King author added 30 chapters and a bunch of pages I the kanzenban

[ashen perch]

he used to be so young and powerful, a real manga machine

[woven talon]

Dragon ball got a new ending

[graceful belfry]

The manga higher ups should’ve put Oda on the Araki plan

[trim lily]

oda should let me take over half his workload

[barren token]

One piece has never been a pirate manga these mother fuckers are not having navel battles

[vale gust]

post ts is longer than pre ts tho

[woven talon]

Would be cool if OP got some stuff added in for Kanzenban

[trim lily]

have the strawhats ever used the cannons on their ship

[vale gust]

yes

[indigo yacht]

The LeBron James of mangaka

[graceful belfry]

Beginning of Baratie

[ashen perch]

definitely

[vale gust]

usopp fired one on garps ship

[indigo yacht]

Post TS was always going to be longer than pre TS

[trim lily]

huge

[graceful belfry]

Usopp damn near kills Johnny and Yosaku. Imagine that

[ashen perch]

Oda will bring back cannons but with Pluton

[indigo yacht]

Clinton administration feat oh my days

[warm sierra]

ussops biggest feat

[vale gust]

shouldve killed helmeppo

[graceful belfry]

[sturdy steeple]

Oda is so dumb. He created a stupid trade-off where you get cool powers but you cannot even swim... In my pirate manga...???? Author is such a dumbass dude.....

[pine urchin]

Kinda crazy that usopp doesn’t do some haki infused bullets

[sage temple]

Almost like he doesn't have armament Haki

[trim lily]

the strawhats forgot to learn haki

[pine urchin]

Or has it. Make him useful

[indigo yacht]

He got beans

[trim lily]

usopp should pick up a gun

[vale gust]

he shouldve sea stone bullets instead

[warm sierra]

Kuma sent him to the island where you get useless plants instead of the island where you learn haki

[lofty fern]

Hello everyone, happy sunday. How was the official? Any big changes?

[wet heron]

word word, hope all is good. I’ve been more offline too due to home renovation and related work

[sturdy steeple]

I've heard that Oda told Robin's VA that he's still thinking on whether he should give her haki when she asked. Idk how true that is though

[woven talon]

I think if Oda had cut out the warlords it would r changed who the emperors were btw

[barren token]

Sending usopp to haki Island

[ashen perch]

and even that is probably Oda showing restraint now that I think about it. He once said that if he was fully unrestrained, he would have drawn SIXTY pages of Marineford every week for 30 chapters

[final trench]

Had to connect with his tontatta roots

[woven talon]

I think the emperors would’ve been Crocodile, Hancock, Shanks and WB

[vale gust]

has usopp used obs haki since dressrosa?

[royal orchid]

good afternoon also manga

[indigo yacht]

Why is he pink

[barren token]

He looks so sad, the horns burden him

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/meeks-emiko-izanami-114-metro-gif-27200757

[woven talon]

Not that we’ve seen

[sturdy steeple]

This guy would have "War and Peace" in terms of length by the end of the arc. Jesus.

[wet heron]

Katakuri ate the momo dragon df

[vale gust]

wild

[royal orchid]

arguably better than blue in this one specific instance

[wet heron]

Instead of kaido one

[barren token]

Couldn't get the fruit from kaido so he mugged it from momo instead

[indigo yacht]

Obama administration feat I fear

[woven talon]

Anyone else agree?

[vale gust]

what is oda even saving these basic ass power ups for

[ashen perch]

Hancock I can see, because she was part of Oda's "future enemies" illustration in that one color walk.

[indigo yacht]

That was probably the plan

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/514-meeks-meeks-the-goat-fortune-cookie-gif-11783132532308381127

[torn ferry]

me

[sage temple]

No

[indigo yacht]

But a younger and more impressionable Oda decided to make the warlords instead

[woven talon]

Yeah right when we entered the GL.

[ashen perch]

yeah

[woven talon]

Why not?

[sage temple]

If Hancock was an emperor Loki would've handled that double time

[ashen perch]

Crocodile being the first emperor would have been fun actually, Luffy's first loss

[woven talon]

Loki didn’t exist back then

[ashen perch]

truthfully, the 5 year thing is a bit of a lie, I go by the 10 year timeline personally

[woven talon]

Yeah it makes sense

[sage temple]

You included Shanks in your list. Shanks fought Loki the same year he became a Yonko

[indigo yacht]

Socrates I think you don’t have the context of the conversation

[woven talon]

Reread the convo lol

[indigo yacht]

We’re talking about how the story was different at the start of the story and what cuts were made/elements added

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-stewie-crying-gif-10829849892134330925

[woven talon]

We aren’t talking about the OP world we know lol

[grand flower]

Wait is this supposed to be stewie?

[woven talon]

We’re saying if Oda had the 5 year plan still in mind

[sage temple]

I'll just leave now

[grand flower]

I heard he be saying the craziest shit to his mother

[final trench]

Croc could probably be yonko lvl

[vale heath]

https://x.com/awfulowafalo/status/1977247005648023876?s=46

WAFALO (SHOP IS OPEN til 10/10) (@awfulowafalo)

UO UO NO MI: HYBRID KATAKURI

X · Oct 12, 2025, 5:36 AM

[vale gust]

oda and his damn 5 year plans

[woven talon]

I think we’d go from Arabasta to Amazon Lily basically

[sturdy steeple]

Socrates cannot handle this flashback any longer.... He needs Loki to return ASAP......

[ashen perch]

I can see Oda originally planning to wrap up the series in 10 years with a couple of years on East Blue, 5-ish years on the Yonko, and maybe the last 3-ish on the final saga.

[grand flower]

That's tough

[woven talon]

Maybe travel with ace

[sturdy steeple]

Please save the Loki society, Goda....

[woven talon]

To hunt BB

[indigo yacht]

We’d probably still get fishman island but much much sooner

[sage temple]

It's hard trying to sprinkle Loki propaganda in these conversations

[woven talon]

FMI for sure

[sturdy steeple]

You are Loki's strongest warrior. You have to stay strong.

[woven talon]

Infact

[barren token]

Did pero already have the candy fruit or was big mom just playing favourites with the dragon fruit

[indigo yacht]

So arabasta-> something -> FMI -> Amazon Lily maybe

[ashen perch]

Guy who Oda worked for said that Oda told him it would end in 10 years RIGHT before the series began

[woven talon]

Yeah Rob FMI was probably where Skypiea ended up

[ashen perch]

so its the most accurate timeline imo

not 5 years

[woven talon]

Think about it, we go off on an adventure 10k meters up instead of down

[agile imp]

Nah for real though lmao

[vale heath]

What if I got 10k meters west

[warm sierra]

Kaido saved BMs food themeing

[ashen perch]

didnt Katakuri use CoC as a child or am I making that up

[barren token]

Big mom just looked at him and knew. He should be a dragon

[agile imp]

Katakuri doesn't have CoC at all

IIRC

[barren token]

He does

He absolutely does

[ashen perch]

would explain why BM saw more potential in him than the rest

[vale heath]

He has it in PW4

[agile imp]

Lemme check

[ashen perch]

yea he does have CoC lol

[vale heath]

I know that for a fact

[barren token]

There is no lemme check

He has it he and luffy clashed with it

[lofty fern]

Nice. Viz does make it clear that its Imu talking. He seems a bit more calm than in TCB. Also its more clear that Saturn is talking metaphorically and not literally

[agile imp]

Oh he does, my memory was playing tricks on me

I think I was mixing up his CoC with his mom's

[woven talon]

I think it’d be

Arabasta —-> FMI (Ace vs BB happens simultaneously) —-> Amazon Lily —-> Impel down —> MF (time skip) —-> Wano —-> Elbaf —-> final war

[sturdy steeple]

I was thinking the same thing so I googled and doesn't seem that way

Maybe anime sprinkled some haki trails there

[ashen perch]

yea I thought he used CoC right there

[indigo yacht]

No bullshit this is legit a top 5 .. not panels but drawings for me

[ashen perch]

I guess he was just pissed

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-elizabello-one-piece-elisabello-one-piece-king-punch-one-piece-pica-one-piece-gif-24812110

[woven talon]

Could be literal or metaphorical is the issue

[sturdy steeple]

But I mean

He could've had it

[indigo yacht]

Something about the way mini Katakuri is drawn and being on top of BMs shoulder like a parrot

[agile imp]

Fun fact: Pirate Warriors 4 is the first time we ever saw Kid use CoC lmao

[vale heath]

Right up there with Kaido monch

[ashen perch]

idk, the point is that BM could have atleast sensed that he has it somehow

[sturdy steeple]

I think even as a child Kat was already a decent fighter

[barren token]

Its cinema

[agile imp]

Still better than that one anime only scene

[woven talon]

How is it clear it’s imu? Font?

[ashen perch]

so that would explain why she wanted him to have the fruit, and no one else

[lofty fern]

On the other hand, Kuma's line does seem a bit out of character. "Save your breath" is rather curt for him

[barren token]

She just knew kata was built different

[agile imp]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wano-fraud-haki-kidd-gif-10375482598153088039

[lofty fern]

Yeah, they changed to font to match Imu's usual style

[sturdy steeple]

It all depends on whether you can really sense conq from someone who hasn't unlocked it yet.

That's the reason people argue about Gaban and Sanji.

[agile imp]

This wasn't Conqueror's Haki, this was Convincer's Haki lmao

[vale heath]

Blackbeard did on Jaya

[woven talon]

Ah. I think it’s probably Imu but Japanese gives no confirmation on whom it is

[barren token]

Why did oda interrupt the conversation....

[sturdy steeple]

Blackbeard said that his haki seems strong but he never mentioned conquerors.

[ashen perch]

I think we'll find out for sure when Sanji reveals what Gaban told him I guess lol

[leaden rivet]

Which island does Kat’s flashback take place do we know

[ashen perch]

well, maybe its like uh

[barren token]

You need to have conq to sense conq

[vale heath]

Given Luffy did not have any form of either observation or armament, he could have only been talking about his force of will.
And the haki ability to exert your force of will upon others is…

[lofty fern]

Saying that it's more of the birth of something new is usually more metaphoric since you aren't going to see someone give birth anytime soon. At least on screen

[barren token]

[ashen perch]

maybe it starts leaking out when you're close to unleashing it or unlocking it

like Sanji is close, so Gaban will have sensed it

[woven talon]

Does this sound right?

Arabasta —-> FMI (Ace vs BB happens simultaneously) —-> Amazon Lily —-> Impel down —> MF (time skip) —-> Wano (maybe)—-> Elbaf —-> final war

[sturdy steeple]

Haki itself is already the force of will. All of it. Every form.