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Pretty much always, that's why it's impressive when large quantities get hit
And how long is he going to stay there holding said mountain?
Xebec and Big Mom being able to swing from the center of an island past its edge has always been impressive
As long as he needs?
Burgess’ fruit is the strength power. I wouldn’t say the Elders can do what he does in that particular stat just because they’re stronger overall
Garp can punch mountains, Luffy can punch rocks, Koby can freaking do it.
Jupeter could, I'll give him that one
And it's literally always impressive
It's pointed out specifically because it's impressive that they can do these things
It's never just a casual thing
What makes you say him specifically?
His suction thing?
He was the worm right? He just seemed big enough to cart one around
I see no reason for that keeping anyone down for any large length of time
Oh they also grow in size right?
Getting a mountain dropped on them?
Im really interested in seeing how Viz translates the Garp panel
Or an entire island, even?
Yeah
Unless we're talking people stronger than Saturn, the fight's done at that point
It's a shounen, getting mountains and islands and boulders dropped on you isn't all that shocking. Obstacle at most
Or lunarians, I'll say that too. They can always melt their way out lol
No it's a pretty big thing still
It's never really not been a big deal in One Piece
Like Fujitora's best attack is just throw giant rock from space at you
Kaido flying the island was a mind blowing feat that no one's ever done before
Mihawk cutting a giant slab of ice was an incredible display of power, like this is still pretty reasonably impressive
I have a much more suitable punishment. Give them a island to stay all by themselves tand they have to maintain it all by thermselves
literal?
I'm 99% on the metaphysical train
This is a fight scenario lol
Something might actually be underneath GV
and all the destruction on the island might cause it to be awakened
Treating them as normal people will be the greatest punishment for them all
uranus god valley is unfortunately back on the menu
Imu had to come to GV to stop whatever is about to be unleashed from happening
its that serious
Like an ancient weapon getting powered up with all this haki?
What feats do they have that says they can lift an island off themselves?
God valley is Uranus 
This is extremely impressive I'm js
It's just Saturn foreshadowing what GV is about to unleash on the world
still wondering how Dragon got off of god valley
He didn't even cut the entire island and this was pulled as a massive feat lol
It was bigger than Marineford and Zoro also comments that slashes lose power with distance
He was saved
Yep
by who though
Yet ppl act like it’s bad lol
Kuma probably tbh
From the look of things, Kuma didn't teleport him off
Garp/sengoku, could be Kuma too
For sure, but also this is another instance of the island being destroyed
Lends to the idea that something could be underneath
we just gotta wait for tomorrow
No that comment was just to point out that even though it's just destroying rock and stone, this is still a big feat in One Piece
GV gotta get wiped off the map somehow, maybe this is how
No I know that lol
im just adding on with the unleash thing
Well first, they're as big as any mountain. They're very strong, very fast. Have powers that would make rocks moot. Saturn has acid and explosive spitballs and hes capable of getting out of even Luffy's spinning him around, I think he's fast enough to move out the way. Even if he isn't, we did see Kuma blow him through a bunch of buildings even getting pushed under rubble a he was able to pull himself out.
The other four have other ways. Ju Peter can literally eat rocks and drill through. Topman's strong enough to hit one off in a headbutt. Both Mars and Nusjuro are super fast and can avoid, and even if they don't, Nusjuro can slice a mountain apart and Mars power can shatter rock.
I didn’t say mountain, I said island
The fact that Kuma could blast him apart the way he did is more than enough to say there's a 0% chance of defeating Kaido even if we count attrition
Unless they fight for a month straight and the Gorosei can't run out of stamina at all, it's not happening
In fact, Xebec just beat Garling
Yup cause Kaido is gonna hit harder physically and with Hao
Which means that there is a point at which they just can't fight without having to sit there and regen
Exponentially harder yeh
That wasn't even like an Ursus Shock or shockwave punch, it was just armament
Eh, in the words of Reed Richards, same thing, the only difference is scale.
Kuma can sure, but he's not outlasting Saturn
What did you just say?? 
If his stamina is unaffected. why not? We know for sure that Kaido can't last forever
Even without the fact that Saturn has no answer for an island being dropped on top of him, Kaido is attacking with Hao. He’s gonna blast him apart better than Kuma did and the regeneration it’s gonna take a hit
What do you mean and then what
His regeneration takes a hit
Bean just said and then what
Then what next
Saturn is gonna be like Garling
Who is still alive
And then what?
So what else
and then where?
Garling's going to be fine in like 3 minutes
What’s stopping Kaido from just bludgeoning him like he did to Yamato
And then what?
it's not a bad assumption
We haven't seen anything that says otherwise
Garling who was trying to murder rocks wife is still living to see the light of day
it's how they keep winning everything
That’s rich
Sommers who was about to kill Shakky is still living to see the light of day
In fact, Oda is having them constantly keep getting beat up to give evidence to show that they will stay down
@ocean totem 
Before you say anything, I added to that comment
What are you insinuating? Both of these are situations where the attacker’s priority wasn’t finishing the Knight off but advancing past them
I won’t read it
Okay that's fine
So are you saying the solution to killing them is to keep killing them until they die?
I’m saying it makes sense to me that if Hao can fuck with the regeneration, you can potentially kill them if you keep at it with strong enough Haki
I would enjoy believing that they can't regen forever and that they have a limit of body destruction where they can't regenerate anymore but they REALLY don't seem phased by getting slashed in half, pierced, mangled or having a piece of them cut out like a pie
Because Garling was just put down by Xebec
That's how we know
Gaban, Rocks, and Ray were all in situations where the objective was to deal with the knight and advance. Not to kill them
If their regeneration slows to a crawl, eventually Kaido can just walk away while Saturn's a bloody mass on the ground
That's a won fight
That's what makes the knights and elders actually dangerous, we see that even with Rock going full out, with his best haki, he still couldn't kill Garling
Well
Bean
No one is saying Kaido can’t overpower him, the question is if they can completely kill them
Garling's not dead, so all it does is slow it down
His not killing Garling was just leaving him with a sword in his chest and his head intact
It ends the fight
You’re assuming he couldnt ever. It’s on the table that he could have but it was better to leave than to stay and put the effort in
I don’t think there’s an issue with them having limited regeneration or whatever
I don’t think Garling had regeneration at that point
Rocks needed to go
I think it’s reasonable
The priority wasn’t finishing Garling off
We just haven’t been shown it yet absolutely
I know yeh, I'm just saying that even if Kaido can't kill them completely, the fight ends if Saturn's just unable to continue unless Kaido sits there and waits for him to finish healing lol
Death almost never ends a fight in this series after all
No, we cause we saw that with Sommers. He was left skewered by Gaban and still was able to get up and heal
He does
I don’t think so
But this isn't his body being annihilated completely or even half of it destroyed
We know he did
We see it this chapter, Garling has regen
These are wounds that arguably wouldn't even kill normal people depending on who they are with Garling
Because it would’ve been shown
It did
Garling can regenerate, but we also see that he is not getting up and fighting Xebec anymore
Like the other characters have been shown
He lost the fight
We've see that too. With Mars and Gunko
That's how it's going to go with Saturn, he's just going to lose the fight. Doesn't have to be death, but it'll be to a point where his regen will take long enough that Kaido doesn't have to sit there and wait for him
They regen back
Bean come on
Or hell, let his regen get slow enough that he really does get to drop an island on the guy
With conqueror's?
The secret to defeating the regen being Acoc is so unbelievably lame
What's up?
We don't know that this doesn't end with them dying, especially with Gaban stating they're not immortal
If the regen is slow enough that they eventually just die from injuries mounting up, or from most of their body being destroyed with it, that makes sense
But even if it doesn't, that's still Saturn unable to fight while Kaido drops an island on him
Or throws him into the ocean, into a volcano, under a mountain, any number of things
Which one?
It’s possible Gaban could have killed him if he kept dealing enough damage tho
This is trial number 2 of seeing the effects of coc on regen. We have seen two powerful fighters use coc to take down their opponents. 3 if you include Joyboy, and in all of these trials they still have been able to regenerate
And in all of these, they haven't really been fatally wounded either
Hm? What?
Yall can clearly see blood coming out of Garlings mouth and knowing how lethal Rocks is why wouldn’t he go for a vital shot
They've had most of their bodies intact, the worst that happens is Sommers getting his top bisected, but even that's still most of him being fine
Gaban might not have had time, but Rocks did. He was fighting to kill and even in that, while Garling is on the ground he's not dead,
He got basically decapitated
If we're talking they get beaten into just blood on the ground with conqueror's, if nothing else they won't regen any time soon. that fight is won
It was pretty close to his neck

rocks clearly won lol\
and it was a 1v5
Yeh, that was absolutely a victory
Crocs vs. Rocks
It's no different to someone getting beat down and then getting back up a little bit later
damn i forgot he actually beat two holy knights
It's not about "won" its about can they be killed by these attacks
No, it's about if they can win
'cause the prompt was Saturn vs Kaido and whether or not Kaido could beat him
Actually what happened to the lady? I wonder if she went off anywhere?
Kaido can definitely beat Saturn
if you ever need proof some one piece fans don't read one piece:
he will get usopp'd
Even if he can, it doesn't kill him. he'll just outlast him
I think kaido could pound him until his henchmen built a vat of acid to toss him into
We all witnessed Wano and yall still disrespect Kaido 
He can't outlast him
The regeneration slows down enough that the fight just stops
I don't think acid is doing anything. Mars basically exploded and he's okay
I don't think
Okay and once Kaido stops fighting, Saturn come back together
Still outlasts him
You are neglecting that 2/3 instances of the regeneration being countered involved the attacker needing to advance to a higher priority
Gaban had to go after Gunko and save the kids
Rayleigh had to take Shakky away
In the case of Rocks, we enter the scene at the moment that Rocks has knocked down Garling. Imu’s arrival takes his attention away during this moment
When a Davy Rabbit says something so Imuphobic you have to hit him with the Gunko stare
After Saturn's lost the fight, yeh
You wouldn't say Xebec has not defeated Garling
Kaido disrespect is lowkey funny though. He tells Luffy about awakening but he doesn't even have it himself. He says "Haki transcends all" and builts an army of df merchants
gunko agenda won't last past elbaf
Bruh 
Rayleigh didn't use coc, so I didn't count him. But the other 3 trails still are leading to the conclusion that its not working. We probably have to kill Imu before we can actually kill these guys
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@sage temple
yeah
They don’t lead to that conclusion due to the fact that each of them have a higher priority to confront
Join the autumnbull agenda
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spoilers for blood
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Are you seeing this shidd 
I'm never leaving the Holy Knights agenda no matter what
Hey Nash
The knights are plenty strong, they don't need an agenda
Not being able to measure up to the top of the One Piece universe isn't a bad thing
That was never going to be the case lol
I'm just annoyed with their slander
join the ancient agenda that's been here since the dawn of time
Garling and Shamrock are still top tiers btw
Always remember, if it a group they be ass except for 1 or 2 within the group
hyd bro
Good I'm waiting for little nightmares to install
garling is a bum and shamrock is on thin ice
I just really didnt like last chapter I understand how admiral fans feel now
I don't really care about fights and "lose" and "win" in that way. People always are more intrested in the 1v1 who can hit better fights. I'm more interested in who outlasts the other overall.
The fact that Garling lives after this and Xebec doesn't, makes it a "win" in my book for Garling. I care more about big picture.
That's why I say that Saturn can win overall because no matter how much Kaido hits or happens to be stronger than him, in the end of the day, Saturn will outlast and outlive him
But even in the big picture, this is a loss for Garling
"Garling is a bum"
yes
Someone else had to kill the person he couldn't take out
We dont know how this went
I think they sent that email to King Becori
Saturn can live forever that's fine, and he will definitively never defeat Kaido
little huh? hope you don't have a Nashixtmare
Also Garling is still gonna fight Whitebeard
headcanon
It's like saying Rayleigh beat Roger because he lived longer, that's just not really how it works
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Pfft, we know Garling didn't do it lol
at this point its obvious the scar is from roger
Garling is a true blue bum. Not in a powerscaling sense but in a narrative sense.
Garling is a bully
Garling seems to have done pretty well for himself. GV was his shining moment it seems
!headcanon
He's just been consistently losing because he's challenging the wrong people
mines way better
Hyping the guy whose biggest achievement so far is winning the slave and civilians killing competition 💀
His shining moment has been marked with being in pieces or beaten most of the time
wtf is that dawg
a headcanon
"most of the time"? It was only this one chapter?
Most of the time of the event in series
The pirate attacked and he immediately went for the wrong one and got trampled
I wouldn't be surprised if Garling gets the kill on Xebec in the end and that's what gives him his fame
yo bean, what do you think is actually going to happen in the next few chapters regarding Rocks, Imu, Roger and Garp
Yeah
Oh he was already way famous before all this
Galing is arrogant and relies on his Regen. I wouldn't be suprised if even now,38 years later his arrogance will be his undoing and shanks literally folds his ass on sight
I'm guessing it'll be Imu who does it imo
He hasn't done anything impressive so far
I mean he's arrogant for good reason
The dude is a beast
What did his description say?
He was the hot kid on the block, but GV is what he's known for, even years later
He "distinguished himself at God Valley?"
I want Imu/Saturn to kill Xebec and Roger and Garp to just kinda call it quits there
we see how well that went for him in GV. Let's see if he learned feom his mistakes
He came across as threatening and intimidating because he was introduced killing Mjosgard and then being good at the atrocity of the native hunts
It flipped when he stabbed mama red hair. It was a low without that edge that makes it cool or bombastic.
Garling getting off screened by Rocks when he had the advantages of immortality and numbers changed the context of Garling’s previous scenes. Right now, he’s just a bully who picks on the weak then got embarrassed against the only combatant we’ve seen him confront
I do wonder if Garling was the one who turned the Davy Clan into demons
I agree with everything you just said...finally lol
This is true, he may just be the only one who gets to keep fighting in that case
Garling is an actual bum cause he just comes across like a pompous bully rn
This is the same reason the 5 elders failed to stop the straw hats on egghead btw. They didn't dodge and kept letting luffy and the giants attack them bc they knew they could regenerate and in the end that costed them precious time which the Straw hats used to get the fuck off of the island
He went after Rocks. But he's got regen lol
To be fair, that only combatant is also either the strongest person in the world or definitely tied with whoever is besides Imu lol
I bet getting the final kill Rocks is what distinguishes him
Him going after Rocks the way he did just adds to it. He knew Rocks could hurt him by this point so it’s not even like getting reverse jumped was cause he didn’t expect Rocks to be able to hurt him
If that's true
huh, sounds cool, you are not on the branch of Imu somehow getting a hold of him, and possessing rocks, and Roger + Garp fighting him, till he somehow manages to regain control for a sec and down the stairs himself kind of deal?
That’s why I said earlier it’s not a powerscaling thing, it’s just a narrative structure thing
What happens to Garling vs Rocks feels like a punishment for him abusing his power against the defenseless because in his only encounter with a combatant, his power is completely trivialized
Oh shit, this would be cool, I didn't think of that. Maybe that is what ends up happening, turns Xebec into his next puppet
But that Davy clan blood kicks in and he says the only person killing me is me
also the thing about garling fighting him was that he had the davy demons to help him and still got oneshot. Roger,garp and the other top tiers would never let rocks do them like that lol
is what I'm going for and hoping we get
See this is just untrue lol
We dont know what happened
Garling has 4 showings of violence. The three successful ones are against defenseless civilians
The 4th is not only the only that’s against a combatant, he had an immortal squad backing him up and he loses off screen in a way that made it seem like a warm up for Rocks
It’s pathetic @ocean totem
Yeh that was a whole fight
It wasn't a oneshot but he got his ass beat pretty badly
this is cope we literally see the demons bodies
Ok but wheres the oneshot
Someone posted a bad link but it got deleted
You're not entirely wrong, but I've been saying this has just been to showcase the difference between the government and pirates in the end too
Their greatest monsters barely measure up to the greatest pirates, and besides Imu have all been basically well under them
If he was the one who demonized the Davy clan, he could get the credit for that kill.
I could see it that when you demonize a person, they are immortal for that time, but if you take the power away or try to reverse it, whatever wounds they had, will come back or stay.
Thus the Davy Clan will die once the domi reversi is removed from them.
oo maybe I went to far but clearly a low diff
Pirates > government is just getting set in stone more and more with Joyboy coming soon
But nonetheless, i dont think garling brought the demons as serious backup, he brought them to fuck with rocks
I think it's obviously set up to imu to give more power to gerling
And rocks being rocks said fuck that lol
Ladmiral agenda is finished
Garling loses to someone who had Kaido as his left hand, yeah that one, he definitely weak
Aside from the Navy who are constantly mentally nerfed by the moral and ethical compromises they have to make which is why they’re all gonna get Haki blooms when they finally rebel and are fighting for true Justice

The admirals have unironically been more threatening than even the Gorosei so far and it's hilarious
mentally nerfed by morals
lmaooo
People were saying for so long the Gorosei are super powers and why the government is on top
Marines and ethical compromise in same sentence smh
Compare Kizaru by himself vs several elders and it’s actually kind of embarrassing
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like nah, the admirals definitely earned it for them
The marines have just been such a greater force
It's sad that it's low key genuinely embarrassing. You'd think the dudes on top would just trash everyone of their subordinates
Well they could never be the reason the government is on top because they almost never fight anyways, they go down to the surface maybe a few times a century at most
I don't think so, at least not at first. He didn' t know they were related to Rocks
Their reign is probably hard carried by Imu and Domi Reversi tbh
This was always my main argument for it too yeh
And then they finally fight and we see they may as well have just stayed home
I mean it would make sense to me. If the gorosei aren't strong why would the Fleet admiral listen to them. He could technically just do a military coup y'know?
LMAOOO
It took two giants and Luffy to handle like 3 of them
Oh it for sure is
And Domi Reversi just isn't fair
If this is a devil fruit, it's easily the most broken fruit in the series
Domi Reversi is such an overpowered ability
Like a Navy rebellion would probably fail more because Imu can just “your army? My army” their forces than because the elders and knights can fend them off
I'm hoping it's just magic but still
I'm genuinely baffled there hasn't been one earlier
Domi reversing to white is definitely going to be tied to Nika and I'm here for it
No he couldn't, they don't lead like that
Why would they?
Imu could just Reversi the coup
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They don't even know about Imu, but a coup like that would end up with the fleet admiral killed and replaced fast
well sure it'd get thrawted
but i eanna see it regardless
we know that both sengoku and akainu hate the 5 elders/CDs ass
surely there had been attempts in the past
"mentally nerfed" by morals?
maybe that's what happened with the rumour sengoku told garp
I still remember when people were hyping the gorosei to be yonko level and the HK to be admiral level
kong will 1 tap akainu if he tries that
@ocean totem I’m pretty sure G5/Nika is white because Luffys heartbeat will be able to convert them to “white pieces” aka undo the Reversi
Things have changed drastically lol
I'm sure yeh, I was tossing around the idea that the marines who set up the human hunt end up getting killed at the end themselves
Yonko level is far too untouchable for the WG to have like 15 of them 
Mix it with conqueror's and i'm on board with this
highly likely
Goth nami looks so good
The reason the WG doesn't have many uprisings too is because most of the strongest marines are under the direct authority of the celestial dragons
'cause conqueror's already dominated someone else, why not mix it with something joyous?
Ah. I was on a 5 and a half hour airplane trip
The Navy is all about people being made to sacrifice their moral integrity and their grapple with that
See I always said this too
Isn't Doll goth Nami?
The government wouldn't be struggling against pirates if they had 15 of them who could take down the most powerful pirates and their crews lol
Everyone is goth nami
Music too. It can move the soul. Hence why the musician is a skeleton: all white
the navy is about obeying orders first and foremost,everything else comes after
Some are sure, but some are just morally bankrupt
Any time a strong combatant is introduced people rush to make them yonko level
“They’re a future opponent”
"He'll be at the end game"
"They're fighting in the final war they must be able to beat Luffy"
breh
tbf we are in the emdgame of the story. Luffy is already a yonko so it makes sense to introduce characters on the stronger side
But the Emperors part of it is why it doesn't really work
"Imu-san lend me some haki this is Franky we're up against"
Most enemies can't be strong enough to do anything more than give Luffy pause at this point because he's an Emperor
"He has a sword, Mihawk upscale"
Even future ones
Their also needs to be people for the subordinates to fight also
"Zoro will fight him"
true we need fodder too
@ocean totem who’s your final boss pick btw?
I'm torn between the obvious two
'cause I want Blackbeard to take Imu's power and use it better honestly
Buggy and Blackbeard?
some ppl in delulu land still think its akainu
Yikes
Imagine he just goes around out in the open pulling a Domi Reversi on anyone and everyone including his crew

Can you imagine Burgess with it?
wdym use it better, lol
Yes, openly and without limit
we've barely seen Imu use it up until now
Imu just took over elbaf in 30 seconds
Imagine Blackbeard does
Imu has a millennium of experience
So like
That might not be better, especially for what Imu wants
Surely Blackbeard won’t complete his set by stealing the apocalyptic evil Zoan like he stole the apocalyptic Paramecia and the evil logia
Youre thinking Blackbeard defeats Imu not luffy?
^ Took over the strongest country in the world in the time it took Sommers to regenerate
Im sure Blackbeard and Imu will fight but I don’t think they’ll beat one or the other
it'll end up being everyone against Imu is my bet
the world against the king of opression
I'm inclined to believe this. Bb strikes me more as the final villain. Him jumping an weakened imu is completely in character
For a reason, if you do something like that you're going to have revolts all over the place. People who go the obvious iron grip route, don't last long
The thought of a Blackbeard and Luffy team up hurts my heart
Dragon gets Imu on the ropes. Teach steps in
Which is fine, it doesn't have to be a long lasting thing
Blackbeard's still getting defeated after all
I mean im sure Imu could do it in secret. They've managed to do thebnative hunting 5hing for centuries without anyone catching on beyond some rumors
all of the 800 year intrigue for naught
It does if you want to stay in power, which Imu does. So while he could make constant death armies, he doesn't. He's been able to stay in power this long for a reason
Luffy needs to be the one who finishes Imu imo
speaking of I think that's why they might have stopped
Oh he still very much could, that's his current plan for Elbaf actually
Blackbeard gets auger and/or Shiryu to help him escape from his fight with Luffy so he can jump Imu and steal his power after Dragon mollywhops Imu
God Valley had to many survivors for them to risk continuing that
No one's going to question Imu about it, they'll be caught up in the fact that the government now has this massive unstoppable, immortal army
Unless Domi Reversi just has a time limit, there's no reason at all for this to have not happened before
i don't think that Auger and Shiryu would do the bare minimum against Luffy tbh
I don’t think Luffy needs to finish Imu but he definitely needs to be the one to beat him
Kuma saved a whoopimg 500 people and a bumch of pirates who witnessed what happened also made their escape and probably spread what they saw
That’s goth namis evolution
Idk what you mean
i'm saying, i think that Luffy would make them road kill 
Also, does he NEED an unstoppable army? The Knights, Marines, Sword, CP0, all of it works for his benefit without it
I want it to be a BB and Luffy vs Imu thing
were as soon as they defeat Imu, BB takes Imu's power and they start the final fight, BB pirates with Domi Reverse and SH pirates with Freedom Nika like abilities (or just their normal forms it could go either way I just want to see how goofy g5 Usopp would be) and Luffy is forced after fighting for a while in g5, and having a looney toon fight with BB, to use a power up that I've longed for a years now to be his last power up where he channels the will of the fruit (cuz it's a zoan, they have wills of their own, ergo haki, likely imbued by previous users) and ends up transforming into a normal human again while fighting BB
Need, no, but then he doesn't need an ancient weapon either technically
It's really just more the display of power becomes egregious and unstoppable, but Imu's more about secrecy than anything it seems
This could be the case, get a rerun of God Valley where Xebec wins instead
omg hi wilson
also, i sincerely doubt that Imu's powers originate from a devil fruit atp
Luffy won't nikafy anyone because that goes against the idea of freedom. If they need to be something other than themselves to beat the WG then that's not freedom
If they choose to, it'll be fine
if anything Luffy being there will make them believe in themselves
Luffy's already done it before
That means luffy being forced to laugh isn’t freedom
"nikafy" lmaooo i like it
it was a special case tho, given Bonney's odd powers no?
Oh I meant at Wano lol
ah
The thing is nikafying doesn't inheritely change someone the way dormi reversi does, it would change them but they wouldn't just become servants of Luffy
in a sense that isn’t fully wrong
Pizarro literally tanks a full power punch from Garp
we know awakened zoans influence the person
Auger can teleport and Shiryu has invisibility. That’s why I picked those two specifically
Do you wanna be free? Here you go, boom 
We don’t know that actually
yes when he was submerged as the island, i don't think that Pizarro or any of them would be able to keep up with gear 5 Luffy for an extended time
We know it can overwhelm their personalities
But you become like the jailer beasts when that happens
the only one who possibly could keep up with Luffy who isn't Blackbeard from the BBp is Kuzan
i guess maybe oda left that in the concept stages then
Yeah luffy needs to control the awakening better
This panel is proof of that
Oda wouldn’t draw something like this otherwise
cause he had something in his notes something along the lines of “gear 5 influencing luffy”
Luffy acts the way he does because he enjoys the physical sensation of being in G5
And Sanji just lighting up a 🚬
This panel is so hilarious vegapunk lying there half dead sanji aura farming and luffy losing his shit for no reason
He says it feels great and his heart beat sounds funny
Luffy just enjoys the way G5 feels
I never clocked sanji
it's so good
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G5 for Luffy probably feels like having a rush of nicotine to ur brain

luffy is a drug user
You just feel rlly good for the time being
I imagine it’s more like shrooms
More like very high quality weed
Lol no
I was gonna say it's more like acid
No
A light dose
I think BB is going to try to enact Rocks plan. The one that Xebec was prepping all this time even though he got messed up by fate and GV. Oda gave us the parts to the plan and we'll see BB enact it to fruition. However, we'll find that Xebec's plan was flawed and thus it's not BB who will take down the WG and bring the dawn but ultimately Luffy
Got the drug detective over here
World warps around him and he feels fantastic
Nicotine>
LSD maybe?
Meeks done them all
Nvm just a zyn baby
oh here it was
shame oda abandoned the idea of gear 5/zoan awakenings carrying risk
the fact that his eyes fell out is still crazy to me
This is exactly how shrooms feel for me
not only his eyes, but all of his trademark features 
Literal miracle
Had an idea, what if Harald does come to back up his buddy Rocks? But because of what he did, the WG sends a "message" to Harald by killing Ida?
Just doesnt make sense to me
He didn’t?
despite his health, Oda is having the time of his life writing and drawing this
Harald helping should burn any bridge
That’s good
He already was on thin ice
doesn't make sense imo, given the meeting on the boat before God Valley was supposed to be their last
have we had any cases recently of the awakening influencing or potentially overtaking the user
for sure, he was smart to give Luffy such a creative transformation
The risk is the jailer beasts
They still want Elbaph, so they decided to punish Harald to bring him to heel
Dragón is getting domi reversi’d Shuron
yeah and that was like 400 chapters ago, the same risk has never come up in current awakenings
I kinda want to see what a jailer beast Nika looks like
nor even alluded to
i think a jailer beast is what you become when the zoan will doesn't line up with your own will
Its pretty nonsense if you ask me
How can you be in tune with your fruit but still get taken over
i don't think you can
No haki
Luffy was literally forged for the Nika fruit atp
how the hell do you get your mind and body to be in tune with a koala tho
the idea of being in tune with your fruit is a bit silly
Commit to the bit
Well, they never said it was only one time on that day
hi guys what is the topic?
Luffy and Lucci are great examples of being in sync with a fruit
idk we were talking about zoan awakenings and the drawbacks recently
ye the only source is kaido a known fraud
Because the characters relevant to the plot at this point are competent enough to withstand it
but oda clearly points it out in his concept notes as if he wanted to do something with it
How long has the flashback been
hasn't some people come up with the idea that Kaido didn't awaken because his personality didn't mesh with the fruit?
but he didnt
That’s my primary take
which also makes one wonder if maybe Momonosuke would awaken it easier
awaken a zoan is not bad?
thats what most people think i imagine
Yes something like azure dragon is about protection or something I can’t remember
given Momonosuke is more of a just ruler, then a warmonger
His fruit is supposed to be a guardian deity which Kaido very much isn’t
yeah
The seiryu is the exact opposite of a warmongering overlord dictator, so it’s kinda no wonder Kaido didn’t awaken it
would be so cool if Oda did it like that just to save it for Momonosuke
of course not, it explains why Kaido was never able to awaken, because he was a suicidal maniac oppressor and the azure dragon is tied to protection and benevolence
Oooh, that would be sad. Dragon gets a Harald death 😭
But then so is the Kirin...
Yeah that’s a sure bet
is kaku in tune with his fruit just because he like giraffes
well momo is not azure so what now
Its nice to know kaku is as ruthless as giraffes
Probably. He loves giraffes
unless you have to have a high spirit and/or COC to not be dominated by the Zoan awakening spirit 
Kaku is a giraffe idk what to tell you
damn kaido shouldve loved dragons more then
Kaku is quite gentle i'd say
Lucci loves to kill
we love to see it
as long as you're not on the hit list
He could probably awaken any apex predator Zoan
giraffes are cool lol i agree with Kaku
NOOOOOOOOOOO

The gentle assassin
I completely forgot about that
Sounds like a book on the clearance aisle of barnes and noble
i mean a giraffe can stomp a lion to death
i love how his blood-lust matches so well with his fruit
I LOVE THAT YOU HAVE THIS AS AN EMOJI LMFAO
its a very good face
Here’s my crack theory
I think Stronger will awaken the Pegasus zoan
i thought he was slashed in half by Law and then dumped in the sea, lol
A Pegasus is basically just a horse the wills are almost entirely aligned already
rip stronger
vain
@willow pollen will you permit haha?
Of course..
Why is King so white?
Whitewashing
harley quinn's same fate
Michael Jackson
Nico Robin'd
Hypoxia
Queen may look like a ball but that’s all muscle, y’all 🗣️
they were sea stone cuffed tho, not to mention beaten to a pulp
Even then he should just be a light brown
hypoxia makes u blue like Widowmaker
Blood loss
Considering GB sucked it all out? That was all water weight
yeah, blue and white
Gotta say Queen definitely looks better with it than without it
queen was a hydro homie
I’m so happy we got old shinobu design back
I still don’t like the colors but oh well
wonder if Weevil will be thinner the next time we see him
i hope weevil doesn’t get super muscular or hot
it would be kinda funny ngl
I totally forgot about Weevil
Duval'ed
She was carrying the weight of her failures
Why not
Kiku found enough estrogen to transition
Weevil showing up and looking like a young wb would be fire
nah
lmfao
I think weevil is queens son
he’s fine the way he is 
Would make sense
They have the same build

i hope he is the genuine blood son of whitebeard though
the clone stuff was a red herring
No
Nah, WB wasn't touching that
whitebeard abandoning his one blood son is very funny to imagine
Wb having a blood son and not knowing wouldn’t make sense
Why would stussy hide it from him
no he knew
She didnt from what it sounds like
So why would he not be involved in his upbringing
So unless Stussy forced some things, Weevil isn't his
I think weevil is wbs blood son but he was created in a lab
@lofty fern Luffy and Loki have eaten the same fruit btw
he thought he was ugly
If weevil is wbs son and wb knew weevil would’ve been raised with Marco n em
How? Only one person can have a fruit at a time
its very implied Weevil is not WB's son why the doubt?
Sengoku proving he is the least trustable source in existence for the 50th time
Exactly
I saw someone say once that Queen was cleaning the test tube they used for Whitebeard’s DNA and he used his spit to wipe off a smudge and it fucked Weevil up
yeah he’s 100% a clone
but i think it would be funny if he was his biological son :)
Yo
Time travel shenanigans
WB did not like Stussy at all. She either stole some WB dna, or had a son with Queen and then deluded herself into thinking it was WB's son
I do think the time travel stuff is too good to just never bring up
it would be funny, but the joke of clearly he being a fake when he first appeared is bigger 
Yup
the real question is how will Enel look when he returns
hotter
Some strong booze and anything can happen
enel
It only takes one night
hotter and sparkier
with a coat?
he's zapped lol
How would that work
He is lightning
Why are their bones in his earlobes
yeah, i guess that's the joke
If Enel looks that hot, I'm gonna need every male character in OP to take a trip to the moon
imagine eminem with grown out hair
then i was right he'd be hotter
does he? i thought i t was community myth
WB can hold more liquer than Stussy so nah
Enel is light skin
there is
Have you seen Eminem with makeup
Gil Bastar is one of them
Some of the gifters
Merrys mom when I come over and we also play my mixtape
He has 6
It’s over. He’s dead.
I still love his mother
This doesn't hit the same when Merry is gone
It's so over...
who is Gil Bastard again?
random rocks pirate
Sounds like my dad as a fishman
ah from the previous works
who oda tried to convince us wasn’t just johnny from guilty gear
This might be the first time Kaido has laughed in his life
clearly a fan of Far West
I can fix Uta
I always wondered who man of action was
What’s his name 😭
I MUST BUY
it was cute
He's not my type, even with make up lol
Little bro Kaido is the best part of this backstory lol
Gill Bastard 
Arlong and Hody were some gill bastards tho
Didn't even realize Xebec had pinned Garling to the ground lol
Serves him right
There was a lot going on this chapter
Invest in barbel chat 🙏
I’m saying Enel already handsome
With his own sword
Garling is the bum agenda piece has been talking about all this time
With. His own. Sword.
I can't wait for old man garling to gwt his ass whooped too
how do you know that's his own sword lol
With his own sword too 😭
abysmally
how do people know it's his own sword?
am i missing some joke with the swords?
Garling when his opponents aren’t helpless slaves
Garling deadass had everything going for him and he still lost
he had a whole army
and got destroyed
I know but that's kinda why I was ignoring it. By the time we got raws, Garling's defeat was old news. I kinda just passed over it. I wanted to see more of Imu and if he was finally coming outside of the holy land
"Holy knights" and "handle" in the same sentence 💔
Is it? How do we know?
I’m saying
yes how
oh
Yea, but there are a lot of swords all over the place
Shanks is next 
Holy Knight “highlights”
- kidnapping kids
- slapping and killing women
- kidnapping babies
- killing slaves
the funniest part is that Garling fans are trying to act like it didnt happen
This is proof that Imu is a man (and sexist) btw, Gunko is way more competent and Garling still got the job 💔
You were the biggest garling fan sb
oooo
Will Joyboy be glazed more than this 
months ago maybe
I just know I'm going to hate Joyboy too
Don’t try to switch sides now buddy
Rocks has almost reached the limit
Beat a Vice-Admiral, took out the giant warrior pirates, nearly brought Elbaph to its knees, took out 3/4ths of the SHs.
Don't forget all that.

Yeah you have to commit
Maybe I’m being too narrow
Bro your top 5 characters are all from the wg right
All that Imu haki
I already was committed to Saturn
No
Dawg you might be Imu
thats good enough
Deadass every time I’ve seen penny they’re hating on some pirate 😭
I cannot confirm or deny
This might be imus burner
im gonna be honest when we see Joyboy start fighting, I think its gonna be a lil over the top where I cant take it seriously anymore
I saw that
he'll be so strong that its too much
i guess you are understimating the GK too early.. like they are weak cause they dont have xp, but they descend from Kings

Yeah cuz its reasonable
who is excited for the Imu reveal next chapter
Ehh
Joyboy might actually be like a god in terms of power
Rocks is on the very edge of reasonable strength
I only hate Rocks and like... Shanks, but I don't really hate him anymore. Thing is, Joyboy will be very similar, it's inevitable
too early
i hate neither i only find the former fans annoying as fuck
You're not committed to anyone. You leave them as soon as the next shiny thing comes along
Was vain here?
I mean we got Joyboy’s haki strength level already
And it’s similar to Shanks
He's gonna get jumped by Imu and like 30 gorosei level fighters so yes
I have stayed with Xebec since he showed up, its been almost 5 months straight
@vital heart we can see deleted comments, just as a reminder
Unless Rocks damages Imu in a similar way to Joyboy in the next chapters
Yeah and when he stops showing up, you'll move on again
I guess we could get a comparison there
i think that Imu will be fairly dominant in this 1v3 tbh
I will never move on from Xebec
I was ahead of the curve
For the first time, I basically picked a ''good'' character
who doesnt get slandered
The agenda has been 1 year in the waiting
Saturn vs Rocks, who wins
We need the Sb curse to activate now more than ever
not answering
Imu Saturn would win
Normal Saturn gets violated
LOLOLOL
did you like it
Roger slander is now a permanent feature of the fandom it's beyond over
deadass i think that Imu is revealed here
does it count as political if its instantly deleted too
their true face and all
oi
People have been throwing around him developing Divine Departure to send Imu back or something

Sure...you'll probably move back to Loki and then to Imu and then to someone else
Not too sure about that
even though i'd like, i doubt. i guess he's only revealed next to the final fight with him
i’m excited to see what goes on in 1163
Konnichiwa
and then they make fun of ppl in One piece believing buggy is yonko lvl
the only way I move on from Xebec is if I see someone perform better than him
I have no idea how GV will devolve to a fight between rocks and garp/roger given what we have rn
this is supposed to be the incident that connects all, isn't it?
Hello is there someone who uses reddit
you're so shallow
Choose an agenda and stick by it
shame on you
Nobody is gonna perform better than Xebec tho
Stop glory hunting agendas
so I basically won
No matter how big of a flashback it is, it's still weird to get something like that revealed in a flashback, I really doubt it
bonney-chiwa 
I will not pick joyboy/Imu tho
Imu uses Domi Reversi on Xebec
Wassup?
Roger is trying to stop Rocks for some reason, but why?
not bad and u
Same
thats just delusion
i hope not
Don’t switch up on the agendas

As long as dragon is alive I’ll glaze him 
i guess COC counters the domi reversi
Btw which country?
Antarctic
Ohh really great that's my dream place
so soon you’re American 
🙃🙃
That's not fair
no, we'll resist with our penguin army
then you’re doomed to DOMINATE THE WORLD
What's the temp. Today
It’s sunny -14° Celcius only
Oh my goodness
always hot when i'm around 
Even this server is burning thank to you
military secret
that's a con to my superpower
hotter than ice
@hot cairn @olive sigil this chapter was def worth being spoiler free
Spongebob Squarepants: Squidbob's retort
colder than fire
I don’t mind burning for you 🫂
Is antarctic really gives heaven vibes or not?
my superpower is being me
DEF YES.. proud of you, welcome to the club
btw guys in harley texts the Forest God seems be an opposition force in the original to the demons
more like the frozen level in impel down
halley is a comet either
put the pieces together chat
like sign of something
harley... davy...
checked out Kagurabachi yet?
the one piece is a sick ass motorcycle
there are no wheels in OP
well, this motorcycle is referenced a lot in japanese media
So, mobs is there someone who uses insta or reddit?
i love buggy car so much
that's not cannon
the smokermobile 
are you being for real or doing an epic troll
AI
that's an insult to Oda
if it was bait it worked and you got so many and well done i salute you
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there's no ships in one piece btw
Going Merry
imaginary
zoro x sanji
false
The straw hats made up the going merry so franky would feel bad for them
on one condition
I will do
For the sake of this server
Tho this server is doomed to fail without me
Every chapter is
i’m going fully spoiler free for the next chapter
i think reading spoilers has genuinely affected how i read (negatively)
i probably am too
Never read spoiler in my life and I am happy
We all should
spoilers anonymous
it took this long to realize it?
yerp
bre
it's not that the spoilers affect me negatively, i just think the discussions aren't worthy of seeing
while i was in spoiler chat this week i realized “wait this sucks”
bro this chapter was good but i was mildly mad at the dude that showed up like 'so garp knows about imu and..'
Fuck that guy
boil them
Of course it was a Rocks pfp

i also saw a dude on #other-series straight up FOWARDING a spoilers message
like what the fuck you mean dude
oh i did see that

