also-manga

[brittle basin]

Do you think either one of them would obtain that level of haki by then?

[olive sigil]

It’s still impressive. I don’t think I’d punch through a plywood and Koby is destroying ships

[ocean totem]

If what Imu does comes from a devil fruit, then Blackbeard is the one person who wouldn't need to match the haki for it too

[ocean totem]

I'm not saying it wasn't impressive

[grand flower]

This is definitely comparable to the hull of a ship

[ocean totem]

it's just not the same as Luffy tenderizing a giant, thick ass wall of iron

[winter oasis]

I think they’ll both have enough to damage Imu, not quite joyboy but maybe they’ll combo attack him?

Would be crazy imo

[ocean totem]

The hull of the ship isn't made of material that thick

[royal orchid]

smh bad comparison luffy's using his powers and haki

[cold steppe]

I disagree, imo the gap between them right now is smaller than it was in water 7

[grand flower]

Oh no the two weeks was in Wano

[ocean totem]

It's mostly wood

[grand flower]

But also yeah

[steel stirrup]

How thin are the battleships compared to this?

[brittle basin]

yeah I meant to put that in my response and then just deleted it, but if you're also bringing it up, it is clearly a fair line of reasoning. i still don't know if Imu is all DF or literally a demon from hell itself as I can't help but go back to the First World in the mural.

[olive sigil]

He turned iron into cheese. 🧀 COW PIECE

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-garp-monkey-d-garp-gif-9431853691671974886

[ocean totem]

I really want whatever they're doing to be some lost magic that no one else can use

[pulsar path]

Alright but that really only makes a difference between Month than cus all that happen with in the month before that still

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/keffa-karceno-gif-6784164235141014765

[royal orchid]

they're pretty thick

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-team-wwe-dudley-boyz-gif-7702781

[olive sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/buffalo-buffalo-bills-gobills-go-bills-table-gif-2463103743433044352

[steel stirrup]

Greatest Tag Team of All Time

GET THE TABLES

[grand flower]

Yea they are

[winter oasis]

To be sure Buffy I do want Blackbeard final antag, I just want him and Luffy to both have a chance to fight Imu as well. I could see it like:
Imu wants to kill them both but mostly Luffy
Luffy wants to kill them both but mostly Blackbeard
Blackbeard mostly wants to kill Imu but is happy to swing on anything

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-pirates-one-piece-god-valley-flag-pirate-flag-gif-18117803035050589656

[grand flower]

What??

[pulsar path]

Luffy is taken down March 4th and onigishma happens on the 17

[ocean totem]

That's not all metal, and that's just big, not thick straight through the same way

[leaden rivet]

Why would you compare yourself to Koby lol

[wraith mantle]

what is the meaning behind rocks' jolly roger

[olive sigil]

To show Koby is impressive

[pulsar path]

March 1st Luffy defeated katakuri

[steel stirrup]

Those ships look like they're pretty thick iron Bean idk

[ocean totem]

Koby is very impressive

[royal orchid]

reminder that one day we'll see what the hell Joyboy did to Imu that made them drop to their knees and start hyperventilating 800 years later

[storm anvil]

"looks cool enough"

[ocean totem]

They also get that way over years, Luffy was doing it in hours lol

[pulsar path]

So Luffy beat katakuri goes to wano gets his ass kicked on the 4th

[leaden rivet]

Comparing you a regular person to a supernatural manga character doesn’t make them impressive lol

[knotty dove]

It's like comparing captain kuro to rocks

[steel stirrup]

The Yami swirl is a nice touch

[ocean totem]

It's weird how people still think Katakuri was some hugely relevant power by the time of Onigashima

[royal orchid]

are you not comparing the metal block on the prison to the battleship bags

[olive sigil]

A regular person… You’re mean

[hot cairn]

[wraith mantle]

oh damn

[ocean totem]

Luffy was stronger than Katakuri before he even beat the guy

[brittle basin]

Ever since the grimoire shotgun, devil tail, magic circles, and Imu literally saying things like "ungodly power" or "becoming a demon is truly the pinnacle of existence.," I've decided I'm all-in on demonic powers/realm. Imu is almost comically satanic at this point (though maybe Viz had different translations here that changes the context).

[steel stirrup]

Didn't notice it?

[knotty dove]

How about if I compare myself to garling?

[wraith mantle]

nope

[grand flower]

The highlighted part is metal and it’s clearly comparable to the slab Luffy was punching when you look at it next to that tower

[pulsar path]

Cus this discord hyped up katakuri like he was a god

[alpine trench]

I mean, they’re right, One Piece is a series full of superhumans and Koby is one of them

[wraith mantle]

wait can you point out what swirl you mean

[grand flower]

That metal protrusion is easily as thick as the slab in Udon

[tranquil blade]

Well it wasn’t just this discord

[pulsar path]

People would get upset if you would say katakuri would lose

[ocean totem]

The slab Luffy was punching looked to be about twice as thick as this, and he was pulverizing it much faster/easier than anyone we saw punching this

[royal orchid]

there's like 3 convos at the same time

[ocean totem]

All of the fandom did

[leaden rivet]

Used to fight for my life saying king was stronger

[pulsar path]

Not this guy

[stone terrace]

No lol

[ocean totem]

Katakuri vs King came through with most people thinking Katakuri stood any chance of doing anything but running

[leaden rivet]

All the final villains of arcs got so much overhyped

[grand flower]

He was pulverizing it easier because he was using Haki. You do battleship bags bare handed

[ocean totem]

when the dude was physically incapable of hurting King

[long basin]

but did he use haki there?

[urban lodge]

King wipes the floor with Kata, it's not even funny

[pulsar path]

Tbh I always see Katakuri as a hype man

[ocean totem]

Haki just hardens the fist, it doesn't give more muscle

[grand flower]

Huh?

[olive sigil]

And I’m an elite human being. I could do some good work with my hammer

[brittle basin]

can you bring up the actual panel of him or Kuzan training? i could swear the way they punched it made the entire thing look like metal.

[grand flower]

It increases offensive power bean

[pulsar path]

Ahh so Zoro destroys katakuri than

[ocean totem]

He was pulverizing it easier because he was stronger than the people we saw doing it

[alpine trench]

Sure

[long basin]

battleships are not to be punched with haki, according to Garp

[urban lodge]

Kata can probably barely even hurt him with flames down

[ocean totem]

Oh he definitely was

[royal orchid]

King VS Katakuri was actually funny to see happen

[ocean totem]

He just couldn't beat him because observation haki

[urban lodge]

His durability is still insane without the flames

[ocean totem]

Pound for pound, Luffy at his strongest was clear over Katakuri's

[wraith mantle]

@steel stirrup you think rocks can low diff katakuri?

[tranquil blade]

The first cut Zoro lands would probably knock him out

[pulsar path]

Future site is pretty op

[stone terrace]

Thats part of your strength what hell dude lol

[leaden rivet]

Uh no shit?

[ocean totem]

Zoro couldn't hurt him even without the flames until he got his conqueror's

[storm flume]

Katakuri cant hurt king flames off lol

[ocean totem]

No, that's part of how you win a fight

[cold steppe]

It is the longest fight in one piece tho

[ocean totem]

Their literal strength has nothing to do with observation haki

[cold steppe]

On screen*

[stone terrace]

Which is all thst matters

[ocean totem]

Luffy was physically stronger than Katakuri lol

[ocean totem]

Sure, but that's not the point

[stone terrace]

If how hard you hit was all that matters we need to have some uncomfortable conversations about elizabello

[ocean totem]

Luffy was stronger than Katakuri but couldn't beat him because he couldn't touch him

[pulsar path]

Ever seen brook in soul form

[wraith mantle]

as a rocks glazer sometimes i need to check if i am too biased lol

[ocean totem]

So bringing Katakuri to Wano with far more powerful people around never worked

[long basin]

and more durable

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-staring-suspicious-memes-gif-9038143639402170425

[wraith mantle]

uh so the other horn could be an indicator of the other fruit he wants

[glass plume]

that's why they sent Smoothie instead

[leaden rivet]

When people say someone is stronger you need to include all those things speed, strength, stamina, not just physical strength

[steel stirrup]

Yea lol

[ocean totem]

Ehh maybe, Katakuri was a beast

[tough igloo]

yeah I definitely think the yami yami has some type of ties back to Davy Jones as well as Rocks skull Jolly Roger

[pulsar path]

It looks more like that to me

[ocean totem]

Luffy had all of this over Katakuri too

[long basin]

oh he was! and still is. I doubt he didn't get stronger

[pulsar path]

If daveys and buccaneers are the same vegapunk was saying something about there souls

[ocean totem]

What he didn't have was observation haki, that's the one thing that made Katakuri so difficult

[steel stirrup]

Idk but I definitely believe that whatever will is tied to their family is also tied to the Dark fruit

[leaden rivet]

Im not disagreeing with that, at least I don’t care to. Im just saying having inferior observation haki to someone is part of overall strength

[tranquil blade]

Katakuri had better observation haki and better armament haki for most of the fight

[alpine trench]

You think Luffy’s future sight is better now?

[tough igloo]

I think only some davy clan are buccaneer but not all .. I for sure think Rocks pops was a buccaneer

[hot cairn]

what makes you think that?

[long basin]

Katakuri was a perfect "villain", but in the end he was Luffy's teacher in a way

[cold steppe]

He did have observation. He didn't have future sight

[ocean totem]

He did, but Boundman was definitively above him, just couldn't touch him

[steel stirrup]

"Rocks put his soul inside the fruit, i just can't prove it yet"

[ocean totem]

Oh absolutely

[stone terrace]

Luffys future sight is still bad compared to katakuris

[alpine trench]

What makes you say that? Curious

[ocean totem]

Because we see what happens when Luffy can touch him with Boundman, Katakuri just gets shit on

[wraith mantle]

uh i see

[ocean totem]

Completely overpowered

[stone terrace]

Katakuri reads out entire sentences to people before they say them lmao

[ocean totem]

That's not something Luffy can't do, though

[steel stirrup]

Blackbeard said "This power chose me"

Thats Zoan talk

[tranquil blade]

Yeah Boundman is physically way more powerful than Katakuri

[pulsar path]

It real depends. If what I suspect to be true that all Davey clan members are descendents of Davey D. JOYnes aka joy boy and joy boy was a bucc they all might have the blood but are specific clan of buccaneers, if joy boy isn't a buccaneer than probably not

[wraith mantle]

BRUH PLEASE enough with the zoan fake outs 😭

i dont wanna hear about no zoans for at least 100 chapters

[steel stirrup]

The language suggests that all fruits have a will but zoans even more so

Even if the Dark fruit isn't a secret Zoan, it still has a will of its own.

[dry hamlet]

no, dfs have willpower, doesnt need to be zoan

[urban lodge]

I mean he already has possibly two fake names, why not his fruit too

[steel stirrup]

!speedreader2

[tropic nova]

https://tenor.com/view/not-reading-read-reading-his-ass-is-not-reading-ignore-gif-18922326

[tough igloo]

Davy back fight skull from foxy arc & Rocks jolly roger skull are basically the same thing & yami yami also got that same design .. i’m on to you Oda , just can’t prove it yet 🤔

[long basin]

we need an awakened logia!

[rare ivy]

Rocks said he will be back

[steel stirrup]

Oh you edited

[tranquil blade]

I wanna see a logia awakening so I hope Oda does not make that fruit a secret zoan

[steel stirrup]

I was bouta say

[wraith mantle]

BB the only awakened logia

[pulsar path]

I could go ether way, my theory is devil fruits without wills can be eaten together but also the yomi could be a hito or a yokai

[restive wedge]

The first awakened logia is going to go so hard

[steel stirrup]

Duh

[tranquil blade]

Let that be a one time thing

[leaden rivet]

Davey D Teach D Joyboy

[dry hamlet]

yeah my grammer sux'd

[long basin]

maybe, I hope he will show us.

[steel stirrup]

All DFs have a will

[pulsar path]

I really thought brook was rocks for a minute

[pulsar path]

Naa it doesn't seem to be the case. The way that regular fruits work are different

Like doflaminog didn't have any smoke

[ocean totem]

@grand flower I just noticed, Luffy wasn't actually using haki to punch this lol

[steel stirrup]

But BBs fruit he says it chose him

Him having to kill Thatch may have been like the fruit testing him to see if he had a heart dark enough to deserve it

[stone terrace]

BB is waffling

[long basin]

u sayin the smoke is the will manifestation?

[ocean totem]

You can see his fist in the last panel there, Luffy doesn't alternate hardening lol

[tough igloo]

i think it’s moreso that Davy Jones was like the leader of the davy clan back then but he wasn’t the only davy clan member or started it , he was just the most notable one and Rocks/Teach hail from that lineage while other davy clan members came from other davy clan members from 800 years ago

[glass plume]

just like his grandpa

[steel stirrup]

Either way he is adamant that the Yami no Mi chose him

[stone terrace]

Luffys fruit chose him, bb chased his fruit

[ocean totem]

Yeh, he might have been trying to do the same thing

[alpine trench]

BB waited decades for that fucking fruit

[alpine trench]

“Chose me” yeah bullshit

[steel stirrup]

Again

The fruit could have been testing him

[pulsar path]

Well not exactly but sorta, we know that do flamingo hands paramecia and no smoke show sup and we know they say zoan have wills of there own compared to other fruits but yeah

[ocean totem]

I'd like to say no fruit, but it looks like he's pulling some gear 2nd with it possibly

There's some steam coming off of his arm in the first panel

[long basin]

but let's not forget enel's fruit

[wraith mantle]

maybe its a davy treasure, just like loki's df which was a treasure passed down the giant royal line

[ocean totem]

Because fate

[glass plume]

yeah, he had to go out of his way to kill someone for it

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[tough igloo]

Luffy took the fruit from shanks and ate it without permission, Teach took the fruit from Thatch and ate it without permission 🤷🏾‍♂️🤔

[ocean totem]

Only zoan fruits have wills

[steel stirrup]

THANK YOU

[glass plume]

the darkness fruit chose Thatch if anyone

[restive wedge]

Meanwhile Buggy got forcefed accidentally

[steel stirrup]

I feel like that will be retconned

[pulsar path]

I'm just not sure, because the Davey clan resides on gods valley and joy boy was said to be the first pirate and Davey Jones was said to be the first to be sent to the bottom of the sea and also just can't understand why the Davey clan would be hated so much if they weren't related to Joy boy directly

[tough igloo]

both Blackbeard & Luffy essentially stole their DFs lol blackbeards was just more violent

[stone terrace]

Luffy was just a kid and had no idea what he was doing

[grand flower]

This is technically true for Kuzan and Koby but not for why you’re saying. Even if they were the same strength, Luffy would have an easier time because he’s using Haki and then Gear 4.

This also doesnr have any bearing on the slab being comparable to the hull

[pulsar path]

You mean his electric form? That was not awakening tho

[long basin]

BB wanted WB to take him on his ship, one of his crew said no but WB said yes. the opposite with luffy and shanks

[glass plume]

Luffy didn't take the fruit without permission, Shanks had the fruit laying around and Luffy ate it

[pulsar path]

And it was not smoke it was a sash

[tough igloo]

being a kid doesn’t change the fact he took it and ate it without permission lol

[tulip turtle]

but fruits having their own will is only limited to zoan atp, is yami yami fruit zoan?

[brittle basin]

wait has it been confirmed what 2 DFs Rocks wanted? One of which was specifically beneficial if a giant ate it?

[grand flower]

That’s taking without permission

[tough igloo]

Shanks didn’t have the fruit there for luffy to take it without permission and eat it

[long basin]

yes but it had this cloud thing if I remember correctly.

[tough igloo]

that’s why he was shocked when he saw it was gone

[pulsar path]

Nope it was like sash

[stone terrace]

He didnt steal it on purpose though

[grand flower]

Yea he did

[stone terrace]

He was upset so he ate the first thing he couldnfind

[grand flower]

He took it out of a chest

[glass plume]

still not the same as Blackbeard literally killing someone who already got the fruit just to eat it

[grand flower]

Luffy literally stole it

[cold steppe]

He stole "food"

[tough igloo]

lmao he didn’t steal it on purpose ?! .. tf are yall talking about😂

[steel stirrup]

Could be a secret one

Idk

All I know is that BB believes it chose him and until something different happens I have to assume hes right

[cold steppe]

From shanks

[glass plume]

yes he didn't

[long basin]

oh, I am convinced!

[glass plume]

he thought it was an ordinary fruit, lol

[brittle basin]

Sure, but I think in Luffy's case he was just being a curious and hungry kid? Like, Shanks didn't say "don't eat this" right?

[tough igloo]

Luffy saw the fruit and knew it wasn’t his and still took it and ate it without asking or anything lmao

[glass plume]

he didn't

[pulsar path]

Na it's not its completely different

[grand flower]

Bouta go in these niggas houses and put shit in my pocket from their drawers without asking and say it’s not stealing because ???

[steel stirrup]

Shanks took the fruit

He didnt expect Luffy to eat it

[cold steppe]

This could easly be retconed to zoan

[steel stirrup]

That was actually an accident it seems

[long basin]

I meant I am convinced now that you are correct!

[grand flower]

Yeah it’s not malicious

[pulsar path]

It's not the same!

[grand flower]

But he still stole lol

[pulsar path]

Like it's completely different

[tough igloo]

exactly lmao

[grand flower]

A kid not understanding they need to pay for something or need permission to have something is still stealing

[long basin]

nah it's not the same, it's a cloth thing not cloud

[steel stirrup]

Both fruits seem to have been "meant" for someone else

[pulsar path]

Every awakened Zoan has smoke not a sash

[olive sigil]

If I’m going to your house, you better lock your fridge because I’m taking a fruit otherwise

[stone terrace]

This is pedantic as fuck

[long basin]

Illmatic is correct here, honor to whom honor is due

[stone terrace]

Luffy did not go out of his way to steal a devil fruit befause he wanted its powers

[brittle basin]

I also have to look at this from a kid's perspective, and Luffy specifically. I'm not gonna judge a kid too harshly on taking something without asking. And maybe this being a world of pirates who like to steal adds some context. But we're just being pedantic at this point, it doesn't really matter.

[stone terrace]

Simple as

[pulsar path]

And the only other awakens fruits we seen are law, kid and doffy and no smoke

[ocean totem]

Luffy was not using haki, I just pointed that out ^ He was bare fisting it, and he wasn't in Gear 4th in the page I posted. Luffy didn't have just an easier time, he was putting holes in it while they couldn't dent it at all for ages.

As for how comparable it is, what Luffy's punching down is thicker than the part of the keel they punch in. They don't get to the hull until they've dent that in enough to do it. Koby never gets as far as they do that we see, but that's also because he was doing it early to be fair.

[pulsar path]

Meaning the smoke must be the soul or will

[grand flower]

THIS is pedantic

[stone terrace]

He ate a random fruit because hes a hungry kid

[long basin]

pretty good find

[grand flower]

Luffy went into a container and ate the food inside without asking

[steel stirrup]

Yea he was just hungry

[grand flower]

That’s stealing

[tough igloo]

the point was that both luffy & blackbeard took their fruits from someone else and ate it without permission .. no need to make excuses about his age cause i already said blackbeards way was more violent than luffy’s

[wraith mantle]

interesting discussion topic, did the fruit choose bb or did it not?

[cold steppe]

He still stole something belonging to someone else

[steel stirrup]

Two things can be true at once

[cold steppe]

Context not needed

[tough igloo]

but Luffy still saw a fruit that he knew didn’t belong to him and ate it without asking or anything lol

[urban lodge]

It didn't unless it's another secret zoan

[glass plume]

Blackbeard killed a guy for his fruit, while Luffy just found it laying around

[leaden rivet]

Yes Luffy did steal the fruit but why does him stealing it matter?

[pulsar path]

I think it's pretty obvious now that we put it together. Now idk about sengoku lol

[grand flower]

Yup it’s a mirror. It fits them thematically because Luffy stole it with innocence and Blackbeard stole it with malice

[cold steppe]

Mythicals can be different tho

[leaden rivet]

I don’t understand the point trying to be made

Oh

I see

[glass plume]

Blackbeard didn't get chosen by his fruit, as he implied

[pulsar path]

We seen non mythical

They have black smoke

[steel stirrup]

Because I said BBs fruit chose him and someone pointed out that Luffy ate his fruit under semi similar circumstances

Both took something that didnt belong to them

[pulsar path]

Or flames tbh

[tough igloo]

iit doesn’t lol that’s why trying to defend it was pointless it was just to point out that both teach and luffy stole their fruits , but teach just did it in a more evil violent way

[long basin]

yea, I wonder whether we see him again in a fight. maybe to free Garp, but... this is not necessarily gonna happen

[brittle basin]

It is possible the Nika fruit chose Luffy, if it's also true it literally evaded the grasp of the Gorosei for 800 years as they suggest.

[pulsar path]

I mean we gotta see another awakened logia

[stone terrace]

The fruit came to luffy

By way of shanks but he wasnt seeking it out

[grand flower]

Okay so theyre just even then

[tough igloo]

i can say the same thing about thatch lmao

[stone terrace]

Blackbeard by his own admission spent 30 years looking for his

[tough igloo]

shanks brought the fruit into the bar with luffy , thatch brought the fruit onto the ship with Teach

[stone terrace]

And then had to forcibly take it

[brittle basin]

it wasn't ryou he was trying to master?

[pulsar path]

Feels like polar opposite

[steel stirrup]

So if the Nika fruit chose Luffy but he had to "steal it"

Why can the same not be said for the Yami no Mi?

Just because Thatch found it doesn't mean BB is wrong when he says it chose him

[pulsar path]

Because thatch ate the fruit

[long basin]

in a way fate chose him to get it. he said if he hadn't found it he would've just sailed with the boys until the end of time

[steel stirrup]

No he didn't

[urban lodge]

Because it's not a zoan (yet)

[tough igloo]

no he didn’t lmao

they never said thatch ate the fruit

[steel stirrup]

Lmaoo

[brittle basin]

yeah we don't know if the yami is a zoan

so it can't choose

[glass plume]

it probably is, lol

[steel stirrup]

If Thatch ate the fruit BB wouldn't have it

[pulsar path]

Why would he kill him than for it

[brittle basin]

unless there is some greater destiny at work from some unknown source

[pulsar path]

Read the subtext

[wet condor]

Because he wanted it

that's really all there is to it lol

[steel stirrup]

It wouldve respawned somewhere else

[pulsar path]

Because he ate the fruit

[glass plume]

since they had a rule that it was founders keeper on the ship

[frigid gulch]

Not yet

[long basin]

yea I doubt one knife would be enough to kill a yami yami no mi user

[grand flower]

The implication is in the difference between how Luffy comes about eating it and how Teach did

Luffy stumbled onto it. Teach sought it out and took it by force. The juxtaposition where we KNOW Luffy was indeed chosen is what creates the idea that Teach is full of shit

[steel stirrup]

He killed him before he ate it

[frigid gulch]

[rare ivy]

Gomu ningen da

[ocean totem]

Nah, Luffy was doing way more with way less time

[pulsar path]

No BB knows how to respawns fruits wtf are y'all reading this manga

[grand flower]

That slab is significantly less dented than Garp’s

[long basin]

yea but then... he has BB haki, let's not forget that.

[dense rapids]

Wanno know what’s crazy

[wet condor]

Illmatic, there was no statement about Thatch eating the fruit. The only thing we know is that Blackbeard killed him for it

[grand flower]

What?

[ocean totem]

Garp's happened over years, luffy's happened over hours

[dense rapids]

Xebec’s life from the encounter to God Valley is peak

[pulsar path]

If that was the case BB could have just stole the fruit and left

[grand flower]

Dude Blackbeard steals DFs from DF users

[dense rapids]

But what about his life before that 😭😭😭

[wraith mantle]

thatch eating the fruit is wild 😭

[steel stirrup]

Im not denying that

But again

Both seem to have been chosen by their fruits

And with all this Joyboy/Davy Jones business theres no denying it

[wet condor]

If it comes out later that Thatch ate it, then you have a point

[ocean totem]

This also wasn't even about Garp, it was about Koby

[wraith mantle]

cause like how would bb get the fruit from 😭

[grand flower]

Stealing the fruit from thatch would just be killing him and letting it respawn

[pulsar path]

Nothing. Here says he didn't eat it

[grand flower]

Blackbeard studied the shape of the fruit

[steel stirrup]

Nah he killed him before he ate it clearly

[grand flower]

He could have just fetched or bought the kind of fruit it respawns into and killed thatch

[urban lodge]

It could be either

[wet condor]

Right, but nothing says that he did either

[grand flower]

We don’t know either way

[tough igloo]

it’s never stated if thatch ate the fruit or not , all we see is when thatch finds it then the aftermath when teach has already left the ship and took it

[grand flower]

Both are easily feasible

[pulsar path]

How is that clear

[pulsar path]

Yes because he could have just stole it

[wraith mantle]

we dont know if that is the mechanic for DF respawn

[grand flower]

In fact the fact that Blackbeards crew are known for stealing from power users makes it likely he stole it from thatch after thatch ate it

[wet condor]

He could also just kill him all the same though

[steel stirrup]

This is assuming that Blackbeard had a bag of fruits on WBs ship?

Not impossible I guess.

[native seal]

damn I like this switch in perspective actually, killed thatch after thatch ate the fruit

[pulsar path]

People can't get subtext it's sad. Wait is that even subtext

[pulsar path]

Why. Makes no damn sense

[urban lodge]

He doesn't even necessarily need to wait for it to respawn, we don't know how he got Whitebeard's

[steel stirrup]

He would have to have a bunch of fruit nearby to make sure the fruit spawns there and then make his escape before they find the body

[pulsar path]

BB doesn't do anything unnecessary

[wet condor]

Why doesn't it?

[tough igloo]

I could also see Thatch not immediately eating the fruit cause he may want to sell it and Blackbeard just killing him the first night before Thatch got the chance to decide lol

[wet condor]

Thatch had the fruit

[steel stirrup]

Yea I can't see it

I think he just killed him before he ate it

[wet condor]

Teach wanted it

[tough igloo]

maybe he asked thatch and thatch said no lmao

[wet condor]

So he killed him for it

[pulsar path]

Na

He ate it

[wraith mantle]

we know whatever method he used to get WB, it was new and untested, so it can't be the method he used to "steal" it from thatch

[steel stirrup]

All that extra shit is unnecessary

[pulsar path]

Other wise BB would have stolen it and left

[stone terrace]

It really doesnt matter

[wraith mantle]

you think thatch wouldn't have put up a fight?

[stone terrace]

A man lost his life

[wet condor]

What's a good reason why he wouldn't have killed him for it?

[pulsar path]

Plus we know bb KNOWS how to steal eating fruit

[steel stirrup]

Nah he had to kill Thatch because Thatch wouldn't have given it up easily

[urban lodge]

Was it new to him or just his crew? I don't remember

[wet condor]

Yeah

[glass plume]

a lot of people forget about this specific rule they had in place

[wet condor]

Whether Thatch ate it or not doesn't really matter

[pulsar path]

BB beat ace without killing him

[tough igloo]

thatch could have very well not eaten the fruit yet and just didn’t want to give it to Teach so he forcibly took it .. don’t really matter cause either way Thatch 6 feet under now

[tulip turtle]

If Thatch didn’t eat it, then why didn’t Blackbeard just ask him for the fruit? I mean, if he had begged for it, Thatch probably would’ve given it to him.

[ocean totem]

I'm sure he gets this later though

Steals with the yami yami

[pulsar path]

Exactly or stole it

[tough igloo]

we don’t know if thatch wanted to sell it or eat it or whatever don’t really matter

[tardy isle]

Greed

[steel stirrup]

Doesn't say that he did eat it

Just that he couldn't take it by any other means than killing him

He wouldn't have traded it and he couldn't have forced a trade

[ocean totem]

Because what if he doesn't

[pulsar path]

No they sued the weird black blanket it seems unrelated to yomi

[tardy isle]

The one thing BB wanted more than anything. He wasn’t going let chance ruin this.

[pulsar path]

And remember that Jesus was stealing Fruits too

[steel stirrup]

He had to die

[ocean totem]

The blanket could be for any number of reasons, but the yami yami specifically steals powers

[steel stirrup]

Simple as that

[pulsar path]

That's why he went to dressrossa

[tough igloo]

if Teach asks Thatch for the fruit and Thatch says no then Teach is also the type to just kill him and take it

[ocean totem]

We're told this when he fights Ace

[wet condor]

Right

[tardy isle]

Thatch could have been a monster too

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[pulsar path]

Yes but Jesus also knew how to steal fruits

[tardy isle]

Sneak kill was necessary

[steel stirrup]

We making shit too complex

[glass plume]

also Ace saying that he took the fruit implies that it was in physical form imo

[dense rapids]

If Oda says Blackbeard is trying to save the world by killing Imu then I could care less about Thatch

[ocean totem]

Which was probably take someone half dead back to Blackbeard

[tardy isle]

We have no clue how
Strong thatch was

[tough igloo]

this the same teach who had already scarred shanks so thatch was cooked regardless lol

[steel stirrup]

Oda is not thinking this deeply about it

He killed him before he ate it bruh

[dense rapids]

1 man vs the whole world

[pulsar path]

I don't think so he went to kill Luffy

[tardy isle]

Doesn’t matter tho

[wraith mantle]

they said something along the lines of "lets see if this actually works"
you can argue that they didn't believe it would work and by extenstion they wouldn't believe teach saying i already used it successfully on Thatch, but idk its very convoluted

the simple most straightforward answer is that they were trying it for the first time.

[pulsar path]

Sabo saves him

[tardy isle]

Shanks has nothing to do here

[steel stirrup]

Yep

[tardy isle]

Same BB runned from akainu

[ocean totem]

He went to stab Luffy, I'm sure it would've ended with him taking Luffy back to Blackbeard

[tardy isle]

BB is a opportunistic pirate

Just cause he could doesn’t mean he will

[steel stirrup]

I cannot buy that BB killed Thatch and then waited however long for the fruit to respawn and then leave

He just killed him before he ate it

[tough igloo]

Thatch is a pack now so whether he ate it or not before don’t even matter no more lol im glad a chef didn’t get that DF

[tardy isle]

That and a fight would alert the whole crew …

[pulsar path]

Na I'm pretty sure he could steal them him self plus they were still in birdcage

So probably not

[wraith mantle]

this is the more interesting narrative

[ocean totem]

Being in the bird cage isn't something that crosses his mind I'm sure

[tardy isle]

Also there might be a hidden condition to the fruit

[ocean totem]

'cause if Doflamingo won, Burgess would've been dead too

No point going after any fruit at that point lol

[tardy isle]

Anything is up for grabs when it comes to a weird logia

[steel stirrup]

Do we know how long it takes for the fruit to respawn in another?

Do we have an actual timeline

[tough igloo]

WB saying Teach was a exception to the killing rule though is interesting now after this flashback .. this was before he was even warned by shanks

[wraith mantle]

like bb doesn't care about human life, he saw thatch has the fruit he has been waiting for his entire life he AIN'T gonna give a fuck

[pulsar path]

Unless he though eating the fruit would make it so he could win

[tardy isle]

Maybe BB had to kill someone he liked to utilize the full power

I think that be silly tho

[pulsar path]

But ether way pretty sure bb fruit is not why he can steal fruits

[tardy isle]

This

[steel stirrup]

If its anything longer than instant I can't buy that Teach killed Thatch and then waited around for however long for the fruit to respawn and then make his escape

[tardy isle]

Can’t be

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty sure bb just understands fruits more than other people

[ocean totem]

He said it because of intuition more than exempting Teach

[glass plume]

so that's why he is the only recorded man who can eat 2 fruits?
I don't buy it

[ocean totem]

It was that the commander was supposed to go after whoever broke the rule in their division, so it was Ace's responsibility

[dreamy mural]

yall thinks crocodile a woman since ivankov said she knows his secret ?👀👀👀

[ocean totem]

But Whitebeard told him this one time we're going to do it different, but Ace wasn't having it

[glass plume]

nope

[pulsar path]

Read what you said. In one-piece anything that the government doesn't want recorded won't be

[tulip turtle]

Or it could just be that he stayed with the Whitebeard Pirates for the fruit, and once he found out someone had found it, he killed thatch then planned to leave the crew and carry out his plan to conquer the world.

[tough igloo]

true i assume by that point he already knew he was rocks son ? you think that had anything to do with it

[pulsar path]

Tbh I think you just can't eat two zoans

[glass plume]

i still don't buy it

[wraith mantle]

i think the df stealing ability has to do with BB's darkness gravity manipulation ability
he can probably use immense gravity to pull the "df" when it escapes a dead body and then implant it in somebody else

[steel stirrup]

I find it hard to believe he didnt know who BB was when he saw him as an orphan

At the very least once he started growing up and looking just like Rocks, WB must have figured it out eventually

[ocean totem]

That's literally what happens, yes lol

[pulsar path]

I don't buy that eating two fruits make you explode, we never seen it happen, seems like propaganda

[grand flower]

Huh? He wanted the fruit right then

[steel stirrup]

Literally what happened

[ocean totem]

I don't think Whitebeard would notice or care

He sure didn't with Ace

[tardy isle]

Ehhhh they tested it tho

[steel stirrup]

I know he wouldn't care

[urban lodge]

It would be weird if the reason he can have multiple fruits is simply because of the yami

[tardy isle]

No reason to doubt

[pulsar path]

Who did tho

[ocean totem]

Yes, and it probably would've ended up with him taking Luffy to Blackbeard to get it

[tardy isle]

Wg are sick fucks

[steel stirrup]

But I can't buy that he didnt notice

[pulsar path]

We never seen any one test it

It just been said

[tulip turtle]

I mean it still gives the reason why he had to kill thatch instead of just asking him for the fruit.

[tardy isle]

wg scientists

[tough igloo]

yeah especially since the doctor of WB ship said it’s probably due to his body being different from other people and he’s known Teach for decades

[ocean totem]

Oh he was just ruthless about it imo

[tardy isle]

The author said it.

Good enough for me

[pulsar path]

Never was stated even by vegapunk

[ocean totem]

Like take no chances, here's my one shot, we're going for broke

[grand flower]

I think it’s as simple as killing him and letting it respawn in a fruit on your person

[steel stirrup]

Hard to believe the CDs wouldn't feed someone two fruits just to see what would happen

[tardy isle]

And even marco commented about teaches body

Him being a doctor assures this

[ocean totem]

Taking the gamble is silly when Blackbeard has a way to do it directly

[wraith mantle]

i think, depending on how god valley plays out, WB will have immense guilt about what happened to rocks, and taking in his kid is probably a way to relieve himself of some of that guilt.

[pulsar path]

Oda told us that Roger name was Gold Roger in the first chapter and that changed

[tardy isle]

Thsi

This

[lofty fern]

What have we seen though that makes him different?

[steel stirrup]

Even if he couldn't tell as a child he grew up to look just like his pappy

[grand flower]

I’m saying that is the way and it’s not a risk if Burgess has a bag of various fruits and is at the spot where Luffy dies

[tardy isle]

Sure, and if it does then it does

[pulsar path]

Lol headcanon is crazy

[tough igloo]

Blueno in Enies Lobby said scientists have tested it out , maybe some of those scientists were in mariejois aka saturn bitch ass lol

[ocean totem]

Someone has to be dead for the fruit to release, but I'm sure it would've been stab Luffy and haul him away to guarantee he gets it

[pulsar path]

Pretty sure any one can do it

[ocean totem]

It's still a risk, the fruit doesn't respawn right next to something

What we're told is it just respawns somewhere

[tardy isle]

Two fruits?

Nah we would have seen it

[pulsar path]

Yup

[grand flower]

If Caesar’s is any example, it respawns in the closet one

[ocean totem]

It was never said to just be the nearest fruit

[tardy isle]

For sure

[vale heath]

What if I stab Spandam

[urban lodge]

It's also a known catalogued fruit, if it was what granted that ability surely it would have gotten the nika fruit treatment

[wraith mantle]

again, we still don't know exactly how DFs respawn

[tardy isle]

The world wouldn’t been so shocked

[wraith mantle]

its still very vague

[steel stirrup]

Where did that "nearest fruit" come from

[native seal]

It was interesting how Saturn was recalling Kuma's words while sitting on top of the mountain this chapter

[grand flower]

Punk Hazard

[tardy isle]

You die and it spawns near a fruit

[wraith mantle]

punk hazard

[tough igloo]

being able to eat multiple DFs but that’s about it … but Marco must’ve saw something else since he’s going off Teach body being different before he had 2 DFs so idk

[tardy isle]

Weve seen this process

[pulsar path]

Lol no if someone gave you a bag a chips and said hey these are great but one of the chips in there is poison almost no body is eating that bag a chips even if it is a lie

[tardy isle]

[steel stirrup]

Is it instant

[grand flower]

Caesar left a bag of apples near Smiley so the fruit would respawn when Smiley died

[wraith mantle]

but we don't know the exact mechanic and factors lol

[grand flower]

It was momentary

[tardy isle]

It is death.

Nothing complicated

[wraith mantle]

ok

[steel stirrup]

Yea if it isn't instant I can't buy that BB would sit around and wait ya know?

[vale heath]

So how’s Brook work

[grand flower]

It only took a moment

[tardy isle]

Brooks activates on death

[pulsar path]

Yeah after seeing the axolottle fruit respawn it's super obvious what bb does

[steel stirrup]

So like a few seconds

[vale heath]

But if the fruit respawns on death, and it isn’t complicated

How’s Brook work

[pulsar path]

Brooks fruit doesn't work right

[tardy isle]

We even see burgess hunting fruits with a sack of fruits on his back

[steel stirrup]

And then thats also assuming that BB had this knowledge the entire time

[tardy isle]

[wraith mantle]

yall think bb is gonna risk "where" the fruit respawn instead of pouncing on thatch the moment he sees the fruit??

[pulsar path]

The fruit should respawn when he dies and ther should be two users of the soul fruit

[urban lodge]

Brook's I assume can only respawn after he dies for the 2nd time

[ruby moat]

He should have asked thatch if he could have it tbh

[steel stirrup]

Its possible

[wet condor]

So what's the overall point that's trying to be made here. Let's suppose that Thatch had eaten the fruit. Where are we going with that? That he was "forced" to kill Thatch?

[steel stirrup]

I dont like it tho

[tough igloo]

maybe he did lol

[pulsar path]

He probably already knows what fruit I respawns too like c Clown did

Y'all be forgetting the lore

[lofty fern]

But nothing about the Teach's parents or family or even the Davy clan seem to suggest he's got a different body than any other human... 🤔
Maybe Marco was just going off suspicions? Or Teach never let him treat him and thus he thought maybe ignorantly, that Teach was different?
It's just strange that nothing about Teach's origin suggests he has a strange body

[steel stirrup]

Again

Huge assumptions

[iron oriole]

This makes the most sense for it, since the fruit doesn't actually activate until you die & there can't be 2 eaters of the same fruit (excluding the few cloned ones)

[vale heath]

That sounds complicated to me, given we don’t know that he can die a second time.
And it isn’t complicated, recall.

[pulsar path]

Assumption we seen it happen wtf

[ruby moat]

“Hey thatch, I know you just found that fruit, and I know you’re excited, but it’s one I’ve been looking for for a really long time and I’d appreciate it if you could let me have this one. Next one we find goes to you for sure.”

[steel stirrup]

Assuming he had this fruit knowledge his entire life

[pulsar path]

Smily blows up and next panel the fruit is in apples

[wraith mantle]

is it stated that each DF has sister real fruit it will respawn as? and its just a matter of proximity upon the user's death?

[tough igloo]

Marco statement was “ as you all know Teach body is different “ so it’s not a suspicion or even a secret that only Marco knows about , it seems to be a fact the entire crew knows about and marco is just assuming maybe that’s why he can eat multiple DFs

[pulsar path]

It could even just be any fruit

[wet condor]

Yeah. I don't even think BB asked for the fruit. He never mentions it lol

[indigo yacht]

In another life

[steel stirrup]

And if BB had all this knowledge of fruits the entire time, now my question is where tf did he learn this shit

[native seal]

Katakuris hybrid form would have looked sick as shit

[indigo yacht]

Devil fruit encyclopedia

[pulsar path]

This fruit has been teased to be so many others that I gotta admit feels like it chose kaido

[ruby moat]

I feel like katakuri wouldn’t like the kaido fruit but maybe he would if he had it from a young age

[dense rapids]

Wait maybe Roger actually does get his illness from Imu

[pulsar path]

Oda needs to draw this for real tho

[wraith mantle]

i think its a bit more random than that

but we will see

[proud pivot]

God bless kaido for stealing that fruit 🙏

[steel stirrup]

Does the encyclopedia talk about the fruits reincarnation

[ocean totem]

He gets it years later

[lofty fern]

Maybe that's a translation thing? Oda could always retcon too. His ideas seemed to have started differently with Teach if the orginal drawings of his mother and sisters are any indication

[pulsar path]

We have no way to ever know

[long basin]

me stealing veggies from other people's plates

[ocean totem]

There wasn't really a closest one though, it was just a sack of apples that happened to be there

[dense rapids]

Yea

[wraith mantle]

if the darkness fruit spawned near BB

THEN IT MOST DEFINITELY CHOSE BB lol

[steel stirrup]

Either way

We ball

[urban lodge]

He surely can, maybe not from old age but that's basically unintended, he can still die from other sources

[tough igloo]

every translation of that i’ve seen says the same thing .. Marco and the other WB pirates KNOW for sure that Teach body is different from other people , Marco just doesn’t know if that’s why he can eat 2 fruits or not and is assuming that’s why he can

[lofty fern]

It basically just lists fruits their names and what they can do

[steel stirrup]

All I know is the fruit chose BB

[wraith mantle]

lmao you winning either way damn bruh

[wet condor]

I can believe that the fruit chose him

[indigo yacht]

Probably. The fruits seem to always incarnate in the same design which is how BB knew how the dark fruit looked like

[steel stirrup]

Yessirr

[stone terrace]

I dont for a second

[urban lodge]

BB is yapping unless it's another hidden zoan

[wet condor]

I understand this train of thought as well

It really depends on what Oda is trying to go for

[steel stirrup]

Either the fruit chose BB

Or he had this knowledge of fruits since he was a child

Either way I win

[wraith mantle]

i think bb and vegapunk are the people who know the most about DFs

[vale heath]

Translation unverified but this is the first one that came up on search

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[wraith mantle]

so if he says it i kinda have to take his word for it

[ruby moat]

He was a homeless kid and found a fruit encyclopedia in the trash and tjat was all he had to entertain him

[steel stirrup]

BB stocks going up and up and up

[grand flower]

Caesar put them there

[wraith mantle]

bb on top of having elite knowledge is the only one with two fruits

[steel stirrup]

Bro started reading between lines

[wraith mantle]

bro knows his shit

[storm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-teech-whitebeard-gif-19895487

[pulsar path]

Yeah pretty sure this

[tough igloo]

yep , other translations say the same thing , in all of them Marco & the others know that his body is different , he just doesn’t know if that’s why he can eat multiple fruits

[steel stirrup]

We just keep winning fam

[ocean totem]

They were just in the cart that the guys who set up the video for Smiley dropped and left

[storm anvil]

TOP 1 🗣️‼️

[wraith mantle]

i aint even a bb fan but i gotta be objective

[pulsar path]

I mean just saying kaido smacked big mom and took the fruit form her why wouldn't bb do the same exact damn thing 🤣

[lofty fern]

Then maybe a retcon then, or perhaps it was just a widespread rumor that was just mean about Teach behind his back. Like locker room talk when people say "You all know how old four-eyes over here can't see 10 feet in front of him" something like that?
He just seems to be a normal human child here anyway. Even Rocks himself, despite his strength, doesn't seem all that odd.

[long basin]

Luffy also has the quake fruit

[pulsar path]

Cus tatch ate it

[urban lodge]

Yeah if it respawned after your first death then the fruit would be replicating itself, because Brook is still a devil fruit user

[wraith mantle]

they could just be fruits.. you know? to be eaten

just food

[steel stirrup]

Unless Luffy does it

Blackbeard just can't lose

[ocean totem]

Because he'd have gotten jumped lol

[ocean totem]

They were supplies from the guys he gave up to Smiley

[steel stirrup]

Only Nika can stop this nigga

[tough igloo]

nah not a retcon cause oda has been consistent with Teach being different from everybody else.. it’s just that Blackbeard body is weird and a mystery

[vale heath]

BB does try to jump Kaido in Pirate Warriors 4

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty sure Evey one would have been like wow teach way to be a dick and that's about it

[vale heath]

But he pussies out

[storm anvil]

The day he packs up shanks i am celebrating in the streets

[wraith mantle]

damn havent read ph in a bit i have no clue what you just said

[ocean totem]

Nah, he'd have gotten jumped for it lol

[steel stirrup]

Im having ice cream, cake, blunts and hard liquor

[pulsar path]

I don't think so

[ocean totem]

He was breaking a ship rule, Ace or even Thatch himself definitely would've jumped him for it

[steel stirrup]

Im gon act a fool

[pulsar path]

He would have just left right after and the whole crew would have been astonished but no one would be dead

[ocean totem]

These dudes, it was in their cart

[iron oriole]

Yeah exactly... if the 1st death was the respawn point we technically should have 10s potentially 100s of users of the Yomi Yomi

[pulsar path]

Be broke s bigger rule and white beared said let it go

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard said let it go after how that went down, no one was going to stop anyone from jumping him right then and there if he just assaulted Thatch and wrestled the fruit away lol

[wraith mantle]

uh i see

[wet condor]

I think it was said that the nature of the Yami Yami no mi was evil? So the fruit made it onto Whitebeard's ship and killing Thatch was the fruit "testing" Teach to see if he should be the one to eat it or something.

But then there's that other argument where Oda is trying to create a contrast between Luffy and Teach, where Luffy didn't eat the fruit with the intent to gain its powers. The fruit in a way manifested the circumstances so that Luffy would eat it, while BB taking the fruit by force is supposed to be demonstrate he wasn't chosen by it. Kind of similar to how Luffy is "the man that Roger is waiting for" while Blackbeard isn't

[pulsar path]

Your confused ace went after bb cus he killed his friend using white beared rule as a fuel for it

Killing thatch is a bigger deal than stealing it

[lofty fern]

I think I saw one of these where Luffy goes to hit it but Nami comes through to talk to him and he hits her instead 🤣

[pulsar path]

Period

[steel stirrup]

Period pooh

[ocean totem]

This doesn't matter

[steel stirrup]

snap

[pulsar path]

It does

Ace wouldn't have went after him promise that

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard told Ace not to chase after blackbeard because he had a strong feeling something was wrong about what just happened

[steel stirrup]

It mattered to Ace and WB but WB let it go

[lofty fern]

Shouldn't Rocks then be just as weird? He's not a mystery anymore since Oda's now giving his backstory

[pulsar path]

But because he killed his friend and we know Ace that's the real reason

[steel stirrup]

Ace did not

[vale heath]

https://preview.redd.it/what-would-katakuris-version-of-gear-four-be-called-and-how-v0-lbh6ak3r9veb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=179634e3d9707c5b0454cc0df2b279ee73eebe73

[ocean totem]

If Thatch is in front of everyone and Blackbeard attacks him for the fruit, everyone's going to jump on him for it right then and there

[grand flower]

And why do you think Caesar had them take apples with them…

[wraith mantle]

cause WB knows rocks is stronger than roger

he knew the outcome of that fight

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-pirates-one-piece-god-valley-flag-pirate-flag-gif-18117803035050589656

[pulsar path]

Why when they don't even fully understand what going on they probably would try and figure it out first even so there not going to kill BB for taking a fruit but killing thatch yeah you killed one of our own

Like different crew but buggy didn't get in trouble for eating His fruit

And for sure someone claimed the money for it

[dreamy mural]

i might be over thinking it but do you guys remember the cravings in the elbaf tree franky saw, it talked about half moon and full moon people, i’m thinking what if the celestials are either half moon or full moon people since they always wear helmets and astronaut looking gear

[ocean totem]

That was Buggy's fruit, why would he get in trouble for it?

[ocean totem]

They wouldn't try and figure it out first, they'd beat Blackbeard down and then start asking questions

You saw how hot headed Ace is, and Blackbeard was his subordinate

He's jumping in immediately

[pulsar path]

No he's not

Cus he didn't kill anyone

[dense rapids]

“The World”

[pulsar path]

Stealing is so different than death

[lofty fern]

That doesn't say anything about BB and Ace? BB was super weak back then and honestly, even today he's nowhere near his dad

[ocean totem]

He doesn't have to

He's assaulting a crew member for no reason

[wraith mantle]

eh he gave shanks scars before the DF

[ocean totem]

Except to steal something that, by ship law, is theirs

Why wouldn't everyone jump on Blackbeard there?

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/animaniacs-the-brain-were-taking-over-the-world-taking-over-the-world-world-domination-gif-24435867

[pulsar path]

Ace was only pissed cus he killed tatch even if he breaks the rules for stealing a fruit ace would not have been so gungho and tbh if bb is anything like xebec he would have clowned on the crew other than ace

[ocean totem]

How the fight goes doesn't matter, but there would have in fact been a fight

Ace was furious from Thatch dying, but seeing Blackbeard break another rule doesn't mean he's not getting jumped just because no one dies from it

[pulsar path]

It's pretty obvious ace wa using white beareds rule as a way to justify tracking bb down

[ocean totem]

He didn't have to justify anything lol

[pulsar path]

He did

Cus white beard told him let it go

[ocean totem]

He did not, anyone would've done the same in his position

[pulsar path]

So his rule was mute anyways

Probably not

[ocean totem]

It was not, Whitebeard told Ace not to go after Blackbeard, doesn't mean they wouldn't have hunted Blackbeard down themselves

[lofty fern]

Not hard to catch a kid shanks off guard. Kaido caught big mom off guard. It's all about timing and sneaking

[ocean totem]

Whitebeard even tries to fulfill it himself at Marineford

[pulsar path]

Seems like an Ace thing to do it he would have brought the second ship with him

[dense rapids]

BB and Buggy in The World panel

[stone terrace]

Shanks wasnt caught off guard

Thats what makes it interesting

[tulip turtle]

the carriers of Xebec will

[ocean totem]

Ace doesn't really bring ships with him, he uses his board

[vale heath]

A pokerap of all 85 Charlotte siblings

[pulsar path]

Kinky

[lofty fern]

I wonder if WB would have killed Kaido right here if he knew what he would do to Oden

[pulsar path]

You mean the one time he did that, he had a cre before he joined. Man I'm sorry but your jumping through hoops to make this make since I can't get wit it

[ocean totem]

This shouldn't be hard to understand though, it makes perfect sense

Blackbeard attacks a crew member, other crew members jump on him for it

[pulsar path]

I mean is Luffy going to kill shanks for what he did to kid and barty?

[lofty fern]

He was a kid and weaker than he is today, so it's not all that much of a feat to me. Let me see BB and Shanks now, and then I can decide. But as of now, Shanks was always over BB.

[ocean totem]

What happened with Ace was a whole feud because of how badly it ended up, but if Blackbeard just attacks someone else right then, why wouldn't everyone else jump in to hold him?

That's standard on like...any ship

Except the Rocks

[wraith mantle]

hm thats fair

[ocean totem]

Especially a commander? Yeah he's definitely getting jumped

[stone terrace]

Shanks is a prodigy and bb lives rent free in his head

[lofty fern]

Luffy's not WB and vice versa. Luffy doesn't have sons that he takes responsibility for, WB does. And no one cares about Kid

[pulsar path]

I feel like they wouldn't even understand what was going on and who says bb has to even attack he could literally grab it and eat it I don't think there going to kill him for that maybe out him in the brigg and put him on trial but ether way would t have been death for bb if he just stole the fruit

[ocean totem]

The point is him attacking right then and there

Not just going yoink and nabbing it

[lofty fern]

Actually, I wonder if Imu speaks to him in his head

[ocean totem]

There wouldn't be any trial there if he attacks Thatch, there would be a beat down

And then they'd be asking wtf are you thinking

[pulsar path]

Luffy literally said if something. Happens to you guys I'll be right there to help lol luffys care about every one he close to like family

[pulsar path]

Also remember how mad he got at Zoro on whiskey peak

[lofty fern]

He also said he doesn't want them as sons or fathers or anything like that.

[pulsar path]

Yeah still better scenario they wouldn't have kill BB

[wet condor]

So you think that Imu is subliminally influencing Shanks?

[ocean totem]

I never said they would

I said they'd beat him down

[long basin]

he's an angel, old man WB

[pulsar path]

Doesn't matter some people see their friends as closer people than family

[ocean totem]

Which, if he assaults a commander to steal a fruit in front of a bunch of other people including his own commander, is an inescapable fate

[lofty fern]

Old stuff, OP has changed since then. Luffy's not that dumb...at least all the time

[pulsar path]

Probably not even they would just put him in cuffs

[ocean totem]

After beating him down, yes

These are pirates, why would it be that gentle?

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but this is Luffy not some people

[long basin]

WB would rather fight the world than sending less money to his hometown

[iron oriole]

Rocks actually paying the tab anyway

[wet condor]

He didn't pay for those drinks

[azure wasp]

I find hard to find someone dumber then luffy

[ocean totem]

These are pirates that enjoy fighting, even if he were on the Strawhats doing this he'd get beat down first

[wet condor]

That bill has still gone unpaid

[pulsar path]

Lol what ever after saying this in not even going to continue this mute conversation the goal post moving is crazy

[lofty fern]

Charlos

[steel stirrup]

When you put it that way

[ocean totem]

If we're not counting book smarts, Chopper was a strong contender

[iron oriole]

Shakky wouldn't allow it

[wet condor]

Lol, actually if it's Shakky's, Rocks would've paid

[azure wasp]

Ngl those freeloader were robbing WB

[long basin]

"He was such a cheap guy he would rather risk his live than paying for his drinks"

[azure wasp]

[wet condor]

Anywhere else, he's not paying shit lol

[iron oriole]

Ofc but the context is it being Shakkys bar

Probably the only place where they actually build up a tab

[stone terrace]

Oda continues to make whitebeard the 🐐

except that one time~

[leaden rivet]

It’s ok he regained the aura from that

[stoic roost]

runbeard running not only from fights but also from paying his bills - probably a dead beat dad aswell

[wet condor]

I cna see Rocks trying to slide away and Shakky being like "Rocks-san you forget to pay for that round"

[tranquil blade]

Zoro

[azure wasp]

Charlos can count

[tranquil blade]

[wet condor]

And Rocks with his heart eyes just putting the money on the counter lol

[azure wasp]

Good at math

[lofty fern]

Are you sure? I think Charlos has slaves do his counting for him

[distant vine]

Zoro can hold conversation with people

https://youtu.be/owM5EO7KcaQ?si=THHZhIaqqcGW-mtm

Unlike...

[pine scaffold]

https://x.com/kongratss/status/1976329989713998093

. (@kongratss)

Can't get enough of Rocks D. Xebec. He probably has the best silhouette in the OP verse

#ONEPIECE1162 #ONEPIECE

X · Oct 9, 2025, 4:52 PM

[azure wasp]

Notice how he's uninjured unlike rocks, garp and roger

[pine scaffold]

We are never getting a character like Xebec again.

[iron oriole]

I could also see her letting him leave for the night & adding 1000% interest on top for doing so ngl, she quite literally knows where he lives so he can never truly avoid it

[ocean totem]

After fighting Roger already mind you

[azure wasp]

He can count number of his slave wife's

[wet condor]

Yeah lol. I don't think she'd need to threaten to beat him up like the guys at Sabaody

[winter oasis]

Silhouette scaling

[wet condor]

She'll just charm him

[winter oasis]

Original kaido silhouette >

[pine scaffold]

we saw that this chap with him eating the fruit

[winter oasis]

Loki silhouette close second

[cold steppe]

I think it's cool that whitebeard still stood by the captain considering the way they were recruited

[ocean totem]

Just goes to show Luffy's not the only one who takes giving up food as a bond for life

[iron oriole]

WB is a loyal man regardless of the situation

[pine scaffold]

WB betraying Rocks would be character assassination

[winter oasis]

For sure

[leaden rivet]

Situation clearly matters or else he would’ve slid for Oden lol

[iron oriole]

Wasn't it already too late by then?

By the time they heard anything?

[wet condor]

I forget exactly what they said

[tranquil blade]

Well Oden was already dead

[long basin]

not for long though

[wet condor]

Yeah Oden was already dead

[leaden rivet]

Oden was already dead and he just let Oden’s killers go free

[tranquil blade]

and Whitebeard would lose half his crew if he tried to raid Wano

[long basin]

Oden's willpower made him immortal for an hour

[wet condor]

They didn't avenge his death because he didn't want to risk innocents getting killed

[tulip turtle]

Oden didn't pay for wb drinks

[wet condor]

P sure that's what they said

[azure wasp]

Wonder what happened to the guy that argument with me when i said marines doesn't protect unaffiliated countries 🧐

[iron oriole]

He also was gonna let Thatch's killer go free so idk

[ocean totem]

Because he isn't going to kill everyone else around to get revenge for Oden

[leaden rivet]

So yeah like I said, situation matters

[ocean totem]

You don't burn down your homeboy's house and kill his family just to shoot the guy who killed him lol

[long basin]

even hough he was rich

[ocean totem]

Not go free, just not let Ace chase him

Blackbeard was a walking death sentence still, it's just Ace shouldn't have solo'd it

[leaden rivet]

Homeboys people and family are already enslaved can’t make it much worse tbh

[iron oriole]

True

[ocean totem]

Who argued this?

Some marines might individually choose to do it, but officially they're not supposed to

[wet condor]

The Oden situation I can understand the logic

[ocean totem]

I mean you could kill them

that's kinda worse

[wet condor]

The Blackbeard situation... that's one instance where I think WB made a bad call

[azure wasp]

Someone here

[leaden rivet]

Eh the Wano citizens were likely dying in droves under Kaido’s regime anyway

[lofty fern]

So next week are you going to switch back to Saturn?

[ocean totem]

That's silly

[ocean totem]

I mean you're not wrong but still lol

Come to think of it, Luffy's first match with Kaido really highlighted why Whitebeard going to fight would've been bad for Wano

Luffy is nothing like Whitebeard and the collateral was still bad for the village

[azure wasp]

[stone terrace]

Its not even that they dont protect unaffiliated countries

[ocean totem]

Aw man

[stone terrace]

They be straight up brutalizing them

[ocean totem]

This happened last week

Come on now

[stone terrace]

😭

[tranquil blade]

Not cameron…

[ocean totem]

It's often how the government gets more countries

[woven heron]

Cameron

[ocean totem]

God Valley was supposed to be turned into their country after the event, even

[azure wasp]

They said tax payers only

[pine scaffold]

I dont know

[lofty fern]

Unaffiliated nations have no rights, that's why the CDs can do whatever to them

[pine scaffold]

but this week is def Xebec

[royal orchid]

switching back to a vegetable Kuma victim is crazy

[iron oriole]

Ngl i think Wano as we know it would have been destroyed had WB gone to war for revenge on Kaido for killing Oden

[ocean totem]

Wano as we know it was almost destroyed just from Luffy doing it

[azure wasp]

For long time i said marines protecting those who pay WG is no different from WB or any emperor protecting thier territory

[ocean totem]

Imagine if every punch Luffy landed caused an earthquake

[azure wasp]

[stone terrace]

Its the worlds largest protection racket

[ocean totem]

Shit, Whitebeard would've absolutely triggered the volcano

Wano would've been like actually destroyed

[lofty fern]

Hey, this was his hey day, he gets to show off

[stone terrace]

This is wrong actually

[long basin]

looks like everyone in the navy knew except Garp and maybe Sengoku. they played the same game with them as they played with kaashi and oimo

[stone terrace]

Because whitebeard does it for free!

[leaden rivet]

Lowkey Whitebeard could just send a message to Kaido to run a 1v1 in an open field and I feel like Kaido would take it

[royal orchid]

gotta let the kids play I guess

[iron oriole]

Yeah exactly, would have been nothing left if WB went there

[ocean totem]

He still made his crew pay bills in their territories too right? lol

[azure wasp]

the good kind of wrong

[woven heron]

How insane this attack is holy i miss these times

[lofty fern]

To be honest: Saturn vs Kaido? I'm taking Saturn. I think even WB's going to have issues

[tranquil blade]

Ganzui being called fodder 💔

[ocean totem]

Saturn vs Kaido would result in Saturn dying

[tranquil blade]

It’s never been more over

[leaden rivet]

Can Acoc even kill immortals? Seems to just slow down regen.

[ocean totem]

Saturn vs Kaido would be sad as hell, Saturn would be absolutely dominated

[ocean totem]

I think it was implied to be able to kill them entirely with Gaban right?

[long basin]

I think Gaban knows they can die but never managed to kill one

[ocean totem]

I'm still wondering if the regen happens in the water

[tranquil blade]

Gaban says they’re “by no means immortal”

[ocean totem]

Might just have to break them up and throw them in the sea

[leaden rivet]

Hmm but then why is Garling still alive?

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/trafalgar-d-water-law-vs-big-mom-charlotte-linlin-ope-ope-no-mi-gif-719433902304943505

[tranquil blade]

but it’s weird that Sommers still managed to regen after a bit anyways

[ocean totem]

Gotta be more than just cutting parts of the head it looks like

The regen gets slowed down, not stopped completely

[lofty fern]

? Kaido can't kill him anymore than Rocks can

[long basin]

I think killing them needs a genius idea and neither Rocks nor Gaban had it.

[ocean totem]

Kaido can kill him

[long basin]

power alone is probably not enough

[lofty fern]

How?

[leaden rivet]

If it’s like typical fictional immortality the trick would be to cut them up and set them on fire

[ocean totem]

He's literally beating Saturn to death, and at worse just throwing him in the sea if he keeps trying to regenerate

[royal orchid]

there's not a lot of people who can take on arguably prime rocks + prime WB + young kaido but that Imu parasite Saturn might just be it depending on what imu can do

[ocean totem]

Conqueror's haki

[azure wasp]

Why does the hole supposedly created by law line up with previously existing hole and did oda forget about the little boat tunnel later on the arc.

[stone terrace]

My theory is without acoc they are literally immortal

[ocean totem]

Luffy wasn't really having any trouble with Saturn at all, Kaido's destroying him

[stone terrace]

But with acoc it works like marcos fruit

Eventually they run out of juice

[ocean totem]

Especially if it just turns out you have to hit them enough that their body has no more to regenerate from

[woven heron]

Yoo i forgot about this

[lofty fern]

It depends on the leverl of immortality the story gives and if there is any loopholes. I usually see the one where you have to cut them into small pieces and send them to far corners of the galaxy

[ocean totem]

And if nothing else, Kaido would win just by locking Saturn away somewhere, there's no way for Saturn to win this as a fight even if he survives it

[long basin]

it got lost in the lower magnification image!

[frigid gulch]

Garling looked pretty messed up after what looked like a big attack from Xebec

[lofty fern]

That's not going to kill them. Rocks shows that just this chapter

[frigid gulch]

Wonder how quickly he’ll get up

[ocean totem]

He shows that a cut to the head isn't enough, not that it can't kill them

And like I said, if nothing else, Kaido still wins the fight without question

[long basin]

yea they somehow live. Maybe Imu has to be "disturbed"

[ocean totem]

Just lock Saturn up somewhere, dump him into the sea, bury him underground

Immortal is not unstoppable

[royal orchid]

I love how the proportions are so incredibly cheeks but you can still understand it so it's good enough

[pine scaffold]

Wano fights were something else

[lofty fern]

I'm just saying Kaido here? Not even Oden level yet. Saturn can take him

[ocean totem]

The impressive thing about this is Law has an attack that can span the length of a large country if he needs it to

[royal orchid]

oh I read that wrong

[ocean totem]

'cause he shoves his sword all the way down to the bottom of that tunnel and then blows a massive hole into it

[royal orchid]

yeah no just young kaido? he might be getting murked by imu saturn

[azure wasp]

Crazy range, maybe the best since fuji

[ocean totem]

Kaido here, Saturn could win sure

[frigid gulch]

That or this

[ocean totem]

Genuinely yeh, I think Dressrosa was smaller than Wano too wasn't it?

[pine scaffold]

This

[royal orchid]

now prime Kaido vs Saturn Imu... hnnng not sure

[pine scaffold]

what happens at GV is the most important shit ever

it changed the entire world

[azure wasp]

Definitely, I'm talking about metere stuff

[pine scaffold]

yonko came out of it

[lofty fern]

He fights him even on until the end and Garling is on the ground but its still not enough to kill him. The problem with the knights and elders is endurance. You can slice and dice them all day long, but you're the one whose going to end up getting exhausted first. They're not going to die, so they're just going to outlast you.

[frigid gulch]

Muturn

Saturnmu?

[royal orchid]

this shit would make a pirate never want to step foot in the sea again

https://tenor.com/view/ant-parasite-mushroom-gif-26603382

[azure wasp]

Spider with a wizard hat

[ocean totem]

They're going to die. They are not immortal. They can regenerate, but even if it's a matter of them never being able to die, that's still going to be a loss in the fight. If all they can do is get cut up by you with no real means of attacking back, then you're going to win by locking them up

[grand flower]

Whitebeard’s outfit palette is too muted but this is fire otherwise

[ocean totem]

Saturn can do nothing if Kaido picks him up and buries him under an island

[royal orchid]

he can just tp out lmao

[grand flower]

Teleport maybe?

[ocean totem]

Or drops him into a volcano, or into the sea, or any number of things

[grand flower]

Or be summoned

Into the sea though, yeah

[ocean totem]

Someone would have to save him yeh, but that's still Kaido winning the fight lol

[grand flower]

Kaido can definitely hit that win condition

[ocean totem]

Actually he may not be able to get summoned from the sea if this is devil fruit stuff, but still

[lofty fern]

Saturnmu sounds cuter

[grand flower]

Imuturn

[ocean totem]

Even if Saturn can get out of it, my main point is just that Kaido's got a 100% win rate against a dude that Luffy seemed almost casually manhandling

And unlike Kizaru, Saturn was actually there trying to stand on business

[azure wasp]

There's probably a limit to how many time you can regen uf attacked with acoc

[ocean totem]

He couldn't even easily get through the weaker members of the Strawhats, Kaido is wrecking this man

[grand flower]

Yeah Saturn didn’t actually have any answer for Luffy besides using regen to stall for a G5 cooldown

[rapid ridge]

BEAN

[ocean totem]

I figured the injuries could maybe mount over time and end you if there's just not enough to regenerate imo

[rapid ridge]

Hi cookie xoxo hope everything's good with you

[azure wasp]

Possibly

[ocean totem]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-surprise-surprised-shocked-gif-6035585

[ocean totem]

They're steadily getting better

[grand flower]

Luffy was able to pretty handily deal with everything Saturn had while also having other Elders in play

[azure wasp]

I'm also of opinion that fire can counter imu gifted regen

[ocean totem]

Yeh, and it's kinda sad when you figure this was their ancient enemy. You'd think they'd have something to help lol

[azure wasp]

[grand flower]

And Saturn got fended off by even the weaker SHs

Theyre no slouches mind you

[ocean totem]

Fire strong enough would be cool

Explain why the lunarians had to be put down

[ruby moat]

What happens if u put a holy knight in an acoc meat grinder

[urban lodge]

They got disintegrated by an explosion in egghead and still regenerated

[grand flower]

But I think he gets beaten by Sanji or Zoro pretty handily

[lofty fern]

Eventually yes, but nothing has been seen that can kill them and no one is going to lock them up? Wars can be won against stronger opponents if you turn it into a battle of attrition

[azure wasp]

They wiped out lunarians because of it, trust

[ocean totem]

Why is no one going to lock them up?

[lofty fern]

Now he sounds like a lantern lol

[ocean totem]

If you've crushed them into nothing but paste and they somehow still come back, why wouldn't your next step be throwing them somewhere they can't get out of?

[wraith mantle]

do yall watch youtube nowadays?

[ocean totem]

Especially if you're a guy who can literally drop an island on them while still beating them to death lol

[wraith mantle]

legit nothing to watch on there now

[ocean totem]

Let's not forget, Kaido can literally pick an island up while holding them down and drop it on them at any point he wants

[lofty fern]

Who is going to lock up the CDs? And when they reform a lock door isn't going to be a problem for them?

[ocean totem]

Lock up doesn't mean put in a building somewhere

Kaido can bury them

I mentioned before, toss them into the ocean is by default an easy way to get rid of them

[long basin]

what if they can swim though

[ocean totem]

But even if this is on land, drop an island on them. Drop a mountain on them even, that's good enough

[lofty fern]

A building isn't much to most top tiers?

[graceful grove]

CDs will get locked in Davy Jones locker

[ocean totem]

Yeh, that's why I'm saying mountains and island

[grand flower]

I think it was revenge. My personal theory right now is that the Lunarian and sky people came from the moon to harvest resources from the blue planet.

Either the ancient weapons or some kind of precursor were terraforming tools that they used to create the red line during the first world.

In the second world, they were toppled.

[azure wasp]

Sanji will figure out fire counters regen once he kicks sommer into the fire

[ocean totem]

If this were wano, Kaido could blast Saturn into Mt. Fuji and just let him sit there

[lofty fern]

And if they can swim or fly?

[long basin]

Hiruruk told us how to kill them. They need to be forgotten

[ocean totem]

can't fly through an island

[lofty fern]

If Burgess can throw a mountain, I think they can too

[grand flower]

Or raise the island theyre on and drop it into the sea

[ocean totem]

The ancient weapons being terraforming tools is an interesting theory

[grand flower]

Cmon

[ocean totem]

Definitely works for Poseidon at least right?

Sea Kings can reroute the sea if they wanted

[lofty fern]

Around the island? Weave ya know

[native cloud]

[ocean totem]

Not going to work if Kaido's holding them down and then burying them

Remember he can multitask this lol

[lofty fern]

I mean since when has giant rocks been a problem for most top tier fighters?

[ocean totem]

Flying an island over or around and then dropping it while they've been beaten into the ground isn't a problem at all