also-manga

[gritty shuttle]

Also my headcanon is that thats all muscle, like a hippo

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-blunts-aura-concert-fat-tiktok-gif-16312103942147794831

[formal wagon]

blackbeard being a chungus guy is awesome

[gritty shuttle]

David blunts is not a one piece character

[wraith mantle]

i cant believe this guy is real bruh

[sweet anvil]

One piece character build

[blazing mantle]

With a character design like that he might as well be

[blazing depot]

I’m using him as an example

Of an obese man with aura

[royal orchid]

found some nice fanart but there wasn't an artist link

[wet condor]

Not selectively courageous, yeah

[sage temple]

Also for one we've seen lots of story behind the character and a very good explanation as to how n why he acts like this. Idk why you exaggerate it to that level since he's an extremely valuable asset to the strawhats rn. This is what I would care about if I was some phony kid who liked "story" and "world building"

[lofty fern]

Weirdly, everything you just said? I agree that Rocks has it, but BB lacks it and that's why I'm beginning to like Rocks, despite the fact that his face keeps reminding me of Teach

[wraith mantle]

how do you even become this fat

[grand flower]

When I showed you panels of Loki being labeled the “accursed Prince” as proof that he’s a victim of prejudice from Elbaph, you said that’s not true

That seem week was the week we got the chapter revealing Elbaph blamed all their travesties on Loki

[scarlet nacelle]

also something i just thought of
we don't know of anyone bb cares about
We see rock caring for teach and eris
but teach himself hasn't gotten any momments like that
i wonder how teach would react to seeing another god valley resident or smth

[sweet anvil]

Guys so when is Roger meant to show up in this flashback

[wraith mantle]

erm wtf is that

[sweet anvil]

We’re kinda getting to the end

[sage temple]

Context Shuron Context

[sweet anvil]

And he still hasn’t done anything

[sage temple]

[formal wagon]

hopefully never

[wraith mantle]

ngl piratefolk is cooking

[formal wagon]

roger is just gonna steal the credit for the buggy parrallel

[scarlet nacelle]

ok
give me the exact point in time you started to be a huge loki fan
what momment put him in such high graces from you?

[gritty shuttle]

No

Never

[blazing mantle]

Aren’t they just slandering garling

[gritty shuttle]

They never cook

[wraith mantle]

comedy cooking

[royal orchid]

guys so when are Shakky and Rayleigh showing up again in the flashback pleeeeease!!

[blazing depot]

Next cover story is Enel’s return to the blue planet

[sage temple]

Xebec has the qualities Blackbeard has but Blackbeard doesn't have the qualities Xebec has at all ngl

[formal wagon]

chat im cooking actually

[gritty shuttle]

Its all ass

[wraith mantle]

i am there to laugh bruh

[wet condor]

He's just brave or confident so long as he's winning lol

[wraith mantle]

oh yeah for sure

[gritty shuttle]

You always cook

[lofty fern]

Like I could actually see how a girl could get into Rocks.
Teach? He feels like the guy you walk to the other side of the street instead.

[sage temple]

Ngl I feel bad for bb fans this entire flashback is showing Xebec is more like Loki than his own son

[royal orchid]

screenshot this

[sage temple]

At least they have lineage points

[wraith mantle]

😭

[blazing depot]

I’m Somali and Blackbeard reminds me of some of my cousins I only see at Thanksgiving

[scarlet nacelle]

top tier black mail material

[blazing depot]

Obese smell like shit talking shit

[wraith mantle]

uh

[gritty shuttle]

Ts is NOT funny

[grand flower]

that is the entire context.

I said Hajrudin and Loki were both victims of Elbaph's prejudice.

You said Loki was never a victim of prejudice. I used the early panels of Loki being called the accursed prince and the guards bad mouthing Loki when he showed up as proof.

You replied Loki wasn't affected by any kind of prejudice, no doubt because you thought it diminished his "cool guy" status to have any kind of emotional vulnerability

[lofty fern]

I do wonder if Oda will make Rocks a different nationality

[wraith mantle]

you okay spooke?

[grand flower]

Then the chapter showing Loki's childhood came out

[wraith mantle]

its semi funny

[grand flower]

I remember this vividly because I'm petty and like to gloat

[sage temple]

You're missing a very important piece of context

[blazing depot]

I just hate my extended family

[grand flower]

No i'm not. This convo is over

Back to drawing

[blazing depot]

Well hate is a strong word

[sage temple]

See this is what I mean

Maybe you'd see the context if you paid attention

[gritty shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/lbj-gif-13596181858079823880

[wet condor]

You're beginning to see the light HPQ. Good taste

[blazing depot]

We are all having a ragebait off

[wet condor]

Yeah

[blazing mantle]

Throw your hat into the ring

[blazing depot]

I just did

[blazing depot]

Slandering Socrates glorious king Loki

[wraith mantle]

this flashback is 10 chapters long?

does it feel longer or shorter?

[blazing mantle]

Slandering loki is too easy

[sage temple]

longer

[stone terrace]

It feels shorter because its disjointed

[lofty fern]

I think Eris helped actually. Made him a lot more likable.

[wet condor]

I'm curious to know if he ever had someone who he was personally close to. A friend whose back he'd have no matter what like Xebec did with Harald at one point

[wraith mantle]

that grin on piers' face, diabolical

[stone terrace]

Like half is harald and loki and the other half is rocks

[sage temple]

Gee you call me a king now?

I like the sound of that Spooke

Carry on

[blazing depot]

NO

[lofty fern]

Seeing Teach's treatment of women would make Eris punch him in the face

[royal orchid]

sprinkle some shakky

[blazing depot]

YOU GLAZE LOKI

LOKI IS YOUR KING

[scarlet nacelle]

i mean thats for good reason
BB is meant to be portrayed as the final villain
rocks is meant to play a different role from bb

if they were just the same that'd be lame

[sage temple]

I love that for you but I'm a very humble man. Please stop calling me king it makes me feel like I've lost track of my beginnings

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fanart-fanmade-fan-animation-akainu-gif-7894034121463702425

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-furious-regular-show-benson-gif-26059277

[royal orchid]

I love benson

[scarlet nacelle]

maybe the OG bb pirates, the ones pre impel down
what was their connection to bb before they joined

[sage temple]

Oh definitely you got a great point

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-benson-angry-rage-gif-21676938

[wet condor]

I dunno really

[wraith mantle]

"i should have killed him that day"

[lofty fern]

First Bonney, then Pudding? Come on BB

[sage temple]

I'm just glad I'm seeing more Loki Xebec parallels

It's almost complete

[wet condor]

The OG squad seem slightly more loyal

[royal orchid]

socrates' eternal MSPaint page open

[lofty fern]

I actually see way more of Harald in Loki

[royal orchid]

if you were on firefox the window would be vaulted for lack of activity

[sage temple]

I respect that for you

[wraith mantle]

damn bruh

[sage temple]

It's a step in the right direction

A few weeks ago I was afraid you'd say "I see way more Hajrudin in Loki"

[grand flower]

Your text is always a con

[lofty fern]

Hajrudin and Loki are like the two sides of Harald personified. His past and his future

[sage temple]

Add a text to the con and you'd be correct sweetheart

[blazing depot]

I need new haters… all my old ones became FANS

[lofty fern]

? Why would I say that?

[sage temple]

Ironic you were just calling me king

[grand flower]

The two sides of Elbaph as well. Hajrudin, as the son of a foreigner, represents their diplomacy. Loki, as an ancient giant, represents their warrior ways

[sage temple]

Oh that's what you were saying

[scarlet nacelle]

oh CP0 just put a red dot on his forehead

[sage temple]

I misunderstood

[lofty fern]

I do wonder how we're going to get Harald back into this

Do we still think he shows up on GV?

[wraith mantle]

honestly cook twin

[scarlet nacelle]

shame too because he is the ONLY human fruit user aside from luffy and chopper
could've seen so much more from the buddha fruit

but alas

sengoku a fraud

[grand flower]

I think Rocks fighting for his family will move him. The thing keeping them apart has been that Harald couldn't support Rocks' cause and methods because he had to prioritize his responsibilites as king of Elbaph

Being a father/patriarch of a family is something Harald would be able to empathize with and relate to both as father and king. I think, this time, the reasoning of "I can't support the cause/methods of a madman terrorist" finally won't apply

[urban lodge]

Onimaru erasure

[grand flower]

Harald will come to Me Valley and rip out his horns as an apology to Rocks

[wraith mantle]

dragon scared of the God Frauds 💔

[royal orchid]

mythical human model fruit and it's on a genocidal CD boot licker 💔

[sage temple]

Imu lowkey should've got rid of Sengoku the same way he did Saturn

[blazing depot]

Sengoku fucking sucks

I hate him

Old ass

Bum ass

[wraith mantle]

he was a good dog

[scarlet nacelle]

i just know isn't getting an awakening
this shit is not what the buddha fruit's will is aligning with

[honest garden]

Sengoku manages to be the coolest character despite doing literally nothing

I hope we at least get to see him transform once in the final war, I don't care if he just gets murked immediately after

[royal orchid]

I'll never pass up an opportunity to post this

[honest garden]

Age...

[lofty fern]

Eris sees this: "Oh heck naw, I know you didn't just...Davy D. Teach, you'd better start running cause I brought you into this world, and I'm about to take you out of it! "😡

[blazing depot]

Imu’s favorite dog

[sage temple]

That transfromation was kinda tuff

[honest garden]

Who is Eris

Am i fucking stupid

[blazing depot]

My mom says that every time she gets mad at me lol

Universal experience

[royal orchid]

mushy

there's no way

[wraith mantle]

lol

[royal orchid]

this is bait it's gotta be

[honest garden]

I'm ngl not reading these chapters very closely

[sage temple]

Not the best look for Teach

[honest garden]

Is it BB's mother?

[sage temple]

Imagine Rocks discovered that

[brittle basin]

yes, BB's mom

[honest garden]

I guess her because idk her name and she is a woman

[tranquil blade]

Eris and Xebec gotta be disappointed in hell by about now

[bold sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-hansen-peek-hey-gif-5744948

[sage temple]

Her name starts with an e

[honest garden]

Elizabeth

[sage temple]

Yep

Smart cookie

[royal orchid]

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fanart-fanmade-fan-animation-akainu-gif-7894034121463702425

[lofty fern]

She's going to throw her shoe at him in a minute

[blazing depot]

La chancla!

[sage temple]

nvm it wasn't loading

[royal orchid]

my phone after deciding to download a gif and save it as .MP4 instead

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-imagine-anything-imagination-smart-pointing-to-temple-pointing-to-head-gif-15719596831516913380

[honest garden]

A lot of gifs these days are just videos

[lofty fern]

Eris: That it, I'm knocking the rest of your teeth out.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/whitebeard-edward-newgate-shirohige-gura-gura-no-mi-tremor-gif-14758092362814537374

[sage temple]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G1D44z6bsAEfzpM.gif

[scarlet nacelle]

remembering back to that one time i saw a link posted by someone without image perms
the link name was "whitebeard boy pussy"

most scared i've ever been in this server

[stone terrace]

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/whitebeard-vs-akainu-one-piece-whitebeard-akainu-edward-newgate-gif-17605630484137811195

[wet condor]

Thank god for gatekeeping image perms

[royal orchid]

what's up with akainu tumbling away every time WB touches him

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1418054593694138489/7b1hfrsbugtd1.gif

[frigid gulch]

Anime gassed WB

It was like one doublespread in the manga

[sage temple]

Durability flex

[formal wagon]

ragebait

[sage temple]

I watched the fight on anime and was wondering why Akainu wasn't knocked out already

[formal wagon]

nefarious anti akainu ragebait that is immoral

[royal orchid]

the legendary anime only scene

https://tenor.com/view/whitebeard-shirohige-edward-newgate-paramecia-tremor-gif-12580755714789000508

they changed akainu's whole face

[frigid gulch]

It was so stupid

Akainu gets thrown in the air and lets himself get hit

[formal wagon]

when you maim bro but you trip later so people say he won

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggie-trained-dog-dog-training-dog-carry-gif-12125736216390932776

[lofty fern]

After all this, I think BB is the person attacking Marijois

[tranquil blade]

It was a pretty bad trip

[formal wagon]

akainu got more wounds from kuzan

interesting that admirals can would eachother, and admirals can would/ kill yonko, but yonko have never harmed admirals...

[tranquil blade]

Over 10 days

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gum-gum-white-star-gun-white-star-gun-luffy-gear-5-gear-5-luffy-gear-5-gif-3748584348861495100

[formal wagon]

yet whitebeard lasted less than one... hmmm

[formal wagon]

another great example of admirals shrugging off yonko thank you meeks

i can't spell i had to edit that message 3 times

[tranquil blade]

Only person Akainu ever killed was a suicidal zoomer and that one deserter Marine

[royal orchid]

2 edits to add an F

[formal wagon]

first 2 i was fixing shrugging 😭

[royal orchid]

and a whole ship of innocent people

[formal wagon]

that was literally robin

[tranquil blade]

Akainu is only able to kill non-combatants and depressed people who wanna die? Damn

[royal orchid]

oof check out the old scans and old fonts

everything reminds me of chocheh...

[tranquil blade]

Remember when he aura farmed in front of the commanders just to not fight them

Oh well he did fight Curiel... and couldn't even kill him despite having one of the strongest fruits...

[grand flower]

Same. Had to do a humble sketch

[grand flower]

You have HIM confused with Garling

[grand flower]

This is a bad pic, this is better

[tranquil blade]

Garling is the ultimate fraud yeah

[royal orchid]

can you make the absolutely disgusted big mom above him lmao

[grand flower]

I can try

[royal orchid]

my favorite panel so far apart from baby shanks with a bump on his head

[grand flower]

Kaido is a throat goat for that

[royal orchid]

a whole fruit in 5 seconds

size of a melon

[tranquil blade]

I like how he was grinning despite how awful devil fruits taste

[scarlet nacelle]

why have i been seeing this particular panel so much

[grand flower]

Cause it’s my pfp

[scarlet nacelle]

even people aside from you have put it everywhere though

[urban lodge]

It's funny

[royal orchid]

legendary shit eating grin

also preceded by this

[blazing depot]

Kaido was wrong for that

Linlin was his day one ride or die

She was supporting him

And THIS was how he repaid her

[severe kestrel]

devil fruit merchant💔

[royal orchid]

LMAOO

[royal orchid]

just smacked the daylights out of her for a fruit

[royal orchid]

riding piece

[dense rapids]

God Piece

[sage temple]

Ussop fans trying to relate Ussop to anything in this arc

[blazing depot]

Ok

Stay on that side

When Usopp gets his lick back

I don’t want you to switch up

[sage temple]

It's only valid glazing when I do it

[blazing depot]

Everyone in this server is fake

Like Moria fans for example weren’t a thing until the Kozuki reveal

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/corruption-gif-17615751311869700042

[blazing depot]

YOU ARE SWITCH UP KINGS

[dense rapids]

I’m a fan of every one piece character except Sengoku

[blazing depot]

Real

[dense rapids]

I glaze everyone and slander everyone

[final trench]

This isnt crazy to say

Sengoku never had a prime

But anyway, usopp will turnup

[sage temple]

Idk why he's afraid to use his fruit\

[dense rapids]

Sons of the old generation

[final trench]

Mythical zoan for the fashion

Not only is it a zoan but he has BUDDHA

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-buddha-buddha-sutra-buddha-palm-journey-to-the-west-gif-23161279

[dense rapids]

Fruit is wasted on him

[final trench]

Fr

Bro wasnt at god valley

Bro 2v1’d shiki with garp

Like this nigga aint do shit back in the day

Fuck is he here for

[royal orchid]

40 year old, 55 year old, 39 year old
they ARE the old generation

[dense rapids]

Buggy is about to expose him even more when him and tsuru go for cross guild

[dense rapids]

They’re the middle gen

[final trench]

Interesting choice

[gritty shuttle]

You will be 40 one day

[dense rapids]

Old Era
Great Pirate Era
New Era

[royal orchid]

I am lord Byron

[gritty shuttle]

I dont know who that is

[royal orchid]

and that's okay

[gritty shuttle]

He died of a fever

You will not we have modern medicine

[royal orchid]

how did he even live to 36 is my fascination

[dense rapids]

Xebec survived and became Hiruluk

Him, Whitebeard, and Roger got their disease from Imu

[royal orchid]

he was famous for living like there wasn't a tomorrow

[final trench]

Insanity

[royal orchid]

this is somehow worse than meek saying Hiriluk was going to join the rocks

[final trench]

But yea Whitebeard and roger defo got their shit from imu/saturn

[dense rapids]

Don’t act like Hiruluk being rocks wouldn’t be peak

[warm thunder]

so chopper killed rocks?

[final trench]

And i think saturn gave it to luffy

Or gunkmu will give it to luffy

[royal orchid]

chopper's soup didn't kill him

[dense rapids]

Hiruluk sacrificed himself

[formal wagon]

why

[formal wagon]

wait are they related or friends or

[final trench]

No blud, no

[dense rapids]

[formal wagon]

blud

[final trench]

But, this is just more drum island blackbeard connection so have at it

[royal orchid]

can I get a zunesha kuina png

[dense rapids]

They said someone was sick and lured him into a trap

[formal wagon]

would be sick if one of the fruits xebec was after was the hito

[lofty fern]

You mean we have Xebec to thank for Chopper?
Lost all likability.

[formal wagon]

and thats why bb went to drum

[final trench]

Thats what i believe yea

[formal wagon]

thank you

[final trench]

He wanted choppers fruit

The mushroom to cure all things

I wonder if he knows chopper has it

[dense rapids]

Xebec raised chopper because of what he wanted with his own son

[lofty fern]

Instead of raising his own son?

[royal orchid]

Rocks lived and moved to Argentina theory

[dense rapids]

He thought he was dead

[lofty fern]

He didn't check with his good friend Newgate?

[dense rapids]

Why would he think he was there?

[formal wagon]

okay where are we sccaling rock's grandma?

like mid warlord level?

[royal orchid]

above garling

[formal wagon]

garling feels like denjiro level this chapter its quite sad

[final trench]

Yea

Marineford crocodile lvl

[formal wagon]

agreed

[dense rapids]

Kinda mad holy knights are just regen abusers they’re just fodder without it

Numbers 2.0

[lofty fern]

On the more serious side, I do wonder if Imu has a power similar to Sugar's where he can make the world forget you or something? I would explain a lot.
I also think Garling gets the credit for Rocks' death and that of the D Clan

[lofty fern]

Sigh...they're not fodder

[formal wagon]

its genuinely hilarious to me that rocks has gotten one of the most fleshed out family trees in the entire series so fucking fast

[dense rapids]

FINALLY SOMEONE THINKS THE SAME

[final trench]

Yea ik garling plays a part in rocks death

[formal wagon]

We have 4 generations of rocks' family IN THE MANGA

[final trench]

He’s gonna do some salty shit and grab eris

[formal wagon]

i think that's the most we have from anyone

[final trench]

Making rocks fight him again

[royal orchid]

ivankov remembers reading about a certain imu

[lofty fern]

Killingham alone is more powerful than pretty much anyone Kaido had

[formal wagon]

unless you count caramel as BM's mother

[dense rapids]

We haven’t seen him fight anyone

He’s just summoning stuff

Bro gonna get one shot by Sanji

[final trench]

King could mid diff that nigga IAGL

[dense rapids]

Ong

[final trench]

He takes out jack ulti and page one

[lofty fern]

Well, Cobra did too. I don't think Imu cares about that, it's a historical record.

[final trench]

But idk if he hanging wit king and queen

[lofty fern]

We have

[dense rapids]

Gunko and Shamrock the strongest knights imo

[royal orchid]

killingham's powers are one of the strongest paramecias definitely

[final trench]

Yea he hasn’t really slipped up yet

[formal wagon]

IAGL = I am going (to) lie?

[lofty fern]

And not everything is about 1v1s, his overall powers make him stronger than most

[dense rapids]

I thought it was Robin upscale what she did to Sommers but he’s just ass

[final trench]

Him and shamrock are the only neutral HKs rn power wise

[final trench]

I aint gonna lie 🙏🏾

[royal orchid]

just say icl

[final trench]

Yea he got his neck broke by a robin clone

No squabbles to his name

He’s a sanji victim anyway i aint worried

[lofty fern]

Also, we keep forgeting these are monsters in term of power on this island, the knights are still very strong, and honestly can't be beaten really, so they should be interesting fights in the future when Oda actually lets us see them

[dense rapids]

What luffy is about to these clowns gonna be amazing

[formal wagon]

i miss lucci 🥀

[dense rapids]

Get them outta the way

Let’s go find the one piece

[lofty fern]

I mean, he would have killed her if it wasn't for her clone so...same difference

[final trench]

Luffy’s fighting imu

[royal orchid]

I don't miss lucci 🌹

[dense rapids]

I was on the side Imu was gonna win in Elbaph but tbh Luffy sending him back to the holy land twerking

[final trench]

Goatsopp is stopping killingham

Sanji is killing sommers

[final trench]

I think imu will win

[dense rapids]

Imu gonna rage quit and use the holy flame on a island

[final trench]

Luffy isnt there yet

[dense rapids]

Zoro and Sanji about to fightDorry and broggy

Then we’ll see Luffy Loki and Hajrudin 3v1 Imu

[lofty fern]

So reactionary

[frail cradle]

killingham is zoan?

[royal orchid]

oops that's a typo

[formal wagon]

like dragon and sabo

[formal wagon]

for those that need help i am pretending to confuse the word reactionary and revolutionary

[royal orchid]

what if the imu contract turns your body into a weird mass of abyss

that then lets you travel through the portals and, because your body is semi liquid, that's why they get so easily slashed in two

[royal orchid]

if you see garling healing this chapter you can see the slashes on his face have some weird gooping on them

[formal wagon]

gooping

gooping

[tranquil blade]

I just assumed that was his flesh

[frail cradle]

gooping

[formal wagon]

gooping

[celest hinge]

gooping

[royal orchid]

gooping
being covered in a thick, sticky substance

[runic dock]

Loose lips sink ships - sengoku

[formal wagon]

mfer got gooping on his face 😭

[tranquil blade]

but that would be an interesting drawback to the immortality, it really would be like logia 2.0

[formal wagon]

dont talk to me till i've had my gooping

my morning gooping

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/demi-moore-the-substance-movie-gif-17150301898957281164

[royal orchid]

what happened to her

half her body is dehydrated

[grand flower]

Alright! Turns out I cannot!

This is abysmal lmao

[frail cradle]

she needs water

lost too much goop

[royal orchid]

absurd

[grand flower]

Ikr

[royal orchid]

hmm what's missing from her face

[grand flower]

Good line work

[ruby moat]

She fought crocodile

[frail cradle]

this is true tho

regen = logia 2.0

same thing

[tranquil blade]

Logia but instead of armament haki it's conquerors haki

[grand flower]

How I look at her kids when she say I can eat their fruit snacks

[frail cradle]

akainu gooping

[tranquil blade]

You can actually kill logia users at least

[royal orchid]

I'm just gonna need to find every single person in this channel's locations

they don't appreciate my supercalifragilisticexpialidocious usage of exotic words

[frail cradle]

akainu gooping (2)

[frail cradle]

is that a word

[royal orchid]

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious is ironically a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious word

[frail cradle]

you must have won spelling bee before

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-mary-poppins-disney-i-hope-your-day-is-gif-15407260

[royal orchid]

pneumoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

still trying to remember that town in new Zealand but it's hard

[sage temple]

You can see the next letter to type

[royal orchid]

where

because the left side is what I'm typing

[sage temple]

Like at the end

That's not regulation I gotta see you write it down

[royal orchid]

pneumo
ultra
microscopic
silico
volcano
coniosis

it's just 6 words

[grand flower]

When to see my sister and her kids last night

[royal orchid]

went

[grand flower]

My youngest was sitting on my leg and decided to just go ahead and pee

I asked her if she did and she just looked at me and nodded with a smile

I couldn't even be mad

[proud pivot]

you got a kid?

[grand flower]

Fuck no are you insane

[proud pivot]

oh lmao

i didnt read what you said earlier

[grand flower]

My youngest niece I mean

They're the only kids I need in my life

[lofty fern]

So said Yasopp to Luffy on Dawn Island lol

[brittle flicker]

Yasopp catching strays

[grand flower]

I feel like Oda is just gonna reveal that Shanks recruited Yasopp for some uber important duty he couldn't ignore and he couldn't reach out to Usopp because enemies of the Red Hairs could intercept/follow and threaten Usopp/mama Usopp/Syrup like the Vinsmokes threatened Zeff

Big Mom would regularly target the relatives and homes of enemies. I imagine that kind of thing is a good incentive to keep your distance from family

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-4577644562758937206

[grand flower]

I miss when most of the fandom meaningfully engaged with the story and its possibilities

[lofty fern]

Should have been like Rocks and moved his family somewhere safe if he was so scared

[grand flower]

So Syrup Village

Anyways

[lofty fern]

How is that safe? It nearly got taken over by Kuro

[grand flower]

Garling telling the other Knights about his encounters with Krieg

[grand flower]

Kuro targeted it because it was a quiet, peaceful place

And nothing of the sort has happened since or prior

[lofty fern]

Exactly! Prime real estate for pirates.

[grand flower]

And yet, it was one

Yasopp might as well have left Usopp on O block I guess

[lofty fern]

He had to go there since Arlong, Buggy, and Krieg had taken over the rest of it.
It was hilarious in the LA that Arlong was a mob boss who basically owned all of East Blue lol

[grand flower]

Syrup Village, the Chiraq of the east blue

[lofty fern]

I wonder, do Shakky and Ray have any kids? 🤔 Have we met them before? It is interesting that both Gaban and Roger had kids, but not Ray?

[grand flower]

Well Ray doesn't like to be tied down

I doubt he wanted the responsibility

Shanks, Buggy, Momo and Hiyori were probably all the parenting he needed for one lifetime

[lofty fern]

I think he matured eventually, similar to Gaban

[grand flower]

Well...no

We know he's the same

Shakky comments on it

[lofty fern]

And he didn't even take care of Momo and Hiyori

[lofty fern]

You know my view of her comments

[grand flower]

Im not talking about her commenting on them being poly

Not that I care how anyone tries to interpet/twist it

I'm talking about her mentioning to them that Ray commonly disappears for a while because it's not unusual for a pirate to have wanderlust

[lofty fern]

If you mean going off for months, I don't see why that would mean he wouldn't want kids? Men do that even now and have families

[grand flower]

Ray's habit of disappearing for months at a time shows he's still got that spirit about him that enjoys not being tied down

You can say you think Ray would have that spirit and still have kids, idrc

I'm just talking about him still having that spirit

[lofty fern]

Like sailors of old, or even today, they sail for long amounts of time. sometimes 6 months out of the year and have wives and children back at home that they support. He can like that life and yet still want a family

[grand flower]

Okay

I think it shows he wouldn't want one

[lofty fern]

I would think Boa and sisters are their kids, though the "Boa" last name is the question part of it

Unless that's Shakky's last name this whole time

[grand flower]

Definitely gonna look up to Kid the way Loki looked up to Rocks

[lofty fern]

It is interesting that I think Hancock and her sisters are the only Amazons with a last name

[final trench]

Hmmm

[lofty fern]

Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of "abyss"? And what about all the objects that travel through?

[grand flower]

Nah it wouldn't

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/saturn-saturn-one-piece-one-piece-jaygarcia-saturn-gorosei-gif-16714611117298484146

[grand flower]

The idea is they become a part of the abyss' liquid material

That allows them to travel through it

[lofty fern]

I mean, that's Toei's license

[grand flower]

There's a lot of associations with water and the abyss

Using the bible as a reference

[final trench]

Indeed

Abyss is the bottom of the ocean

[royal orchid]

same idea as logia user's clothes I guess

[final trench]

Ocean/sea is the weakness of df users

[grand flower]

Mmhmm. Imu is called the creator and his personal pronoun "Mu" means "void."

The "void" that god created the world from is likened to a formless mass of endlessly deep water

[lofty fern]

I think the regen is its own thing, a power of reversing life and death

[frail cradle]

gooping

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/anyone-can-cook-ratatouille-ratatouille-movie-colette-janeane-garofalo-gif-24608053

[grand flower]

Remember, everyone. B.A.D.Y.Y.

[frail cradle]

so saturn & co. gooped to egghead

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-low-tier-god-ltg-gif-4022085103641635431

[lofty fern]

The abyss is a dimensional gateway that they use that portals you from one place to the other but there's a dimension in between that acts as a connective pathway.

[grand flower]

Bottom of the ocean=abyss=darkness=yami yami

[royal orchid]

sekai

[frail cradle]

sybau

[grand flower]

thats why imu wanted yami yami

[royal orchid]

sYbau

icl u pmo n ts pmo sm ngl r u fr rn b fr I h8 bein diff idek anm mn js I h8 ts y r u so b so fr w me rn cz lol oms icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? lol atp js s

[frail cradle]

its weird that domi reversi isnt considered part of darkness fruit

darkness =/= evil

imu ate the evil-evil fruit

[royal orchid]

devil devil no mi

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-shocked-shock-shocked-meme-gif-8910406893424234862

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-cat-icl-ts-pmo-gif-373025985166866767

[frail cradle]

magic book demon shotgun-magic book demon shotgun no mi (model: goop)

[final trench]

Indeed

[final trench]

Blackbeard has a technique called kurouzu = black water

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-shuffle-gif-13064782441159584316

[final trench]

He is connected to the abyss

And can probably go through there if awakened

[frail cradle]

teach hasnt seen imu’s fruit

[royal orchid]

I like how imu just doesn't care

bro knows it's evil

[grand flower]

@final trench @stone tulip @ashen perch @hot cairn it's coming

[grand flower]

Don't underestimate what Teach knows

[final trench]

Soon.

[royal orchid]

tagging the whole battalion

[frail cradle]

he saw his clan genocide when he was 2 so I never estimate cocheh’s knowledge

[lofty fern]

People still thinking Imu has some measly devil fruit😔

[grand flower]

@vital heart when you see this, can you confirm if Imu uses the same term "最も凶悪"

[final trench]

Yea imu is just black magic

[grand flower]

Pattern of Haki neutralizing it suggests as much

[final trench]

Ill be damned if imu is a seastone victim

[lofty fern]

I overestimated what Rocks knew, so I placing BB's knowledge even lower

[final trench]

W yap

[frail cradle]

so what does imu have in your opinion?

[grand flower]

that doesn't make a lick of sense

[frail cradle]

Rocks knows a LOT

[lofty fern]

Haven't seen any haki neutralize Imu at all

[formal wagon]

power of evil is so cool

[royal orchid]

imu has shown so many different powers at this point that I'm not even close to placing a name on whatever the hell it actually is

[final trench]

The first man documented to wield 2 dfs has low knowledge 🥀

[formal wagon]

power of evil opwer of evil

[royal orchid]

opwer

[final trench]

Evil toon force

[frail cradle]

Rocks somehow knows Imu exist

thats insanely knowledgeable

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bugs-bunny-and-roadrunner-movie-the-bugs-bunny-and-road-runner-movie-bugs-bunny-movie-bugs-bunny-movies-wile-e-coyote-gif-11233520267195775307

[lofty fern]

I think he's an actual god, with powers beyond DFs. If anything, I think he might be their creator

[grand flower]

We saw Haki neutralize the teleportation of the Abyss and we know it weakens the regeneration

[frail cradle]

no

[formal wagon]

power of evil power of evil

[royal orchid]

imu earth god imu earth god

[grand flower]

Imu has a busted myth zoan and then he awakened it to make it even more busted

[formal wagon]

evilevilevilevil

[grand flower]

The earth god from the mural was just a volcanic cataclysm

[formal wagon]

she myth on my zoan till i b

nvm

[frail cradle]

his power source might be stems from df sources, but he simply holds part of them

[royal orchid]

what is Hunson Abadeer doing here 😭

[lofty fern]

Rocks had no idea about regen, demonic powers, domi reversi, he didn't even know the knights or elders could transform

[frail cradle]

we talking about world knowledge here

[lofty fern]

Yeah, that's not Imu

[frail cradle]

not battle-specific knowledge

[trim lily]

i still cant get over that really being what imu calls it

[grand flower]

Those are Imu's powers

[trim lily]

its so on the nose

[formal wagon]

i love it so much with my whole soul

blue planet = bad power of evil = hilarious and good

[royal orchid]

oh god damn it it's not Hunson Abadeer that does it it's the Flame King

[frail cradle]

second this. Imu powers can be weakened by Haki

HAKI TRANSCENDS ALL

[lofty fern]

nearly everything is pointing to it, even the "world" title connects him to the Earth god

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-flame-princess-king-evil-gif-14630207

[formal wagon]

i think its multiple characters that say it

[grand flower]

The "earth god" in the first mural is 100% crazy volcanic activity that created the red line and almost wiped out life on earth

[formal wagon]

an iconic line that's been stuck in my head for more than a decade

[lofty fern]

They are, but it's only part of him and it took the strongest haki in the world just to do that.
That's not the behavior of a normal DF. If Imu had a simple DF, we could just toss a bucket of water on him and call it a day

[grand flower]

That is the normal behavior of a DF

Haki must be strong enough to neutralize a power

If the person's Haki is too weak, powers will work

[lofty fern]

If that was the case, Rocks would have won

It didn't help Kaido either

[grand flower]

It requiring Joy Boy level Haki just says how strong Imu is

But that's still within the normal parameters of how DF works

[lofty fern]

That was Joyboy's strongest haki

[frail cradle]

trust me, we will see some kind of betrayal over rocks

which is sad

[grand flower]

That doesn't refute what I said

That just says how strong Imu is

[formal wagon]

Admiral > rocks tier > pirate King > high warlord > mid warlord > yonko > yonko commander > mid-low warlord > vice admiral > low- mid warlord > kaido > low warlord >

[trim lily]

whos even left to betray rocks

[frail cradle]

rocks knew he was going for a battle without luck on his side

[formal wagon]

kaido

[wraith mantle]

this flashback has so many baddies

[grand flower]

Shiki, Big Mom, the guy who looks like Gatz, Kyo

[lofty fern]

So why didn't Rocks just push Imu into a lake, problem solved loll

[grand flower]

John

[grand flower]

Don't ask me stupid questions

[formal wagon]

will imu betray rock

[lofty fern]

Then don't tell me half baked logic

[trim lily]

true! quite a few bad people

[grand flower]

What half baked logic?

[formal wagon]

al dente logic

[grand flower]

You're asking me that like Imu is just gonna stand there and let Rocks do that

[wraith mantle]

yeah like imu garling garp etc etc

[frail cradle]

🍿

[grand flower]

That's why I said don't ask me stupid questions

[frail cradle]

i’m gonna use this phrase

[grand flower]

I'm talking with you earnestly

[frail cradle]

thank you for this

[formal wagon]

[grand flower]

Pay me the same respect please

[frail cradle]

don’t get back to me with your al dente logic

[trim lily]

soft baked, half baked, al dente and burnt logic

[wraith mantle]

yall like baked potatoes?

[royal orchid]

carbonized logic

[thick mango]

not bad

[grand flower]

I like all potatoes

[trim lily]

i can never make them well

[grand flower]

Except sweet

[thick mango]

potatoes are one of the cheapest things you can get. up there with bananas

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-karasu-one-piece-commander-karasu-of-the-revolutionary-army-one-piece-one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-gif-5460570029560454374

[grand flower]

Wait sweet potatoes are yams?

[lofty fern]

Because Haki affects it it MUST be a DF? Because will can't affect other things?
That's like saying, Tylenol is working so it must have been the flu!
You can't just apply one effect and make a solid conclusion.

[grand flower]

Or is that a misconception

[royal orchid]

sweet potatoes are great fuck you

[frail cradle]

the carbon bird guy

[wraith mantle]

they lied 💔 that shit aint sweet at all 💔

[trim lily]

yams are a bit different

[thick mango]

a 5 lb bag of potatoes costs <$3

[wraith mantle]

i like to cut a potatoe into cubes and throw em in the air fryer

[frail cradle]

haki affects power of sea

imu is an extension of sea

sea = devil

[royal orchid]

one of my favorite logias

[trim lily]

i find potatoes too annoying to cook as a consistent side dish

[lofty fern]

Indeed, they pack a lot of bang for their buck, one of the reasons some places like Ireland based their entire economy on it

[trim lily]

compared to something like rice

[grand flower]

It's pattern recognition. Is it possible that Imu's powers are a secret new thing that's also affected by Haki the way DFs are? Yeah. But with how deep into the story we are, it's factually more likely that [insert thing] is a DF power when [insert thing]
follows a mechanic that's been exclusive to DFs the entire time so far

[royal orchid]

just so many possibilities with the soot logia

[lofty fern]

Why do you think this?

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-one-piece-holy-land-raid-one-piece-karasu-gif-17931902505621565146

[frail cradle]

its mentioned actually

[trim lily]

(sometimes)

[lofty fern]

I'm taking about Imu, not DF powers

[frail cradle]

well imu power can also countered by haki

[frail cradle]

that makes this comment relevant

[lofty fern]

So, you assume its the same because a person's will can go against his own? We have people with NO DFs and yes haki can affect them

[frail cradle]

what kind of comparison is this

out of topic

[lofty fern]

It's the same topic

[royal orchid]

guys do you think Zoro has an advantage against imu since he's always leaking coc

[latent hamlet]

He has an advantage cuz imu is the ultimate minority

The 1 king above all

[lofty fern]

No

[grand flower]

In the chapter where Ivankov, Dragon, and Sabo discuss the notion that Imu may be St. Nerona Imu from the void century, Ivankov pulls info about Imu from a book called "Genesis."

This same chapter is the first time Imu is referred to as "the creator," which is said by Mars.

In the book of Genesis, the "void" that God creates the world from is likened to a mass of water. Imu's personal pronoun "Mu" and his name can be translated to mean "void"

In the bible, the "abyss" is likened to a bottomless mass of water

[grand flower]

Haki affects people so far as Hao knocking them out, but we've never seen Haki neutralize non-DF powers

Lunarian fire, fishman karate, things like Sanji's fire or Ideo's explosions or Killer's sonic weapons or technology in general

[latent hamlet]

I do think "abyss" vibes are linked to the darkness fruit to a certain extent

[grand flower]

Haki only neutralizes DFs

[frail cradle]

its related to planetary model in ohara

luffy = sun
imu = earth
gorosei = planets

[grand flower]

As in, dispels the powers and their effects

[latent hamlet]

Partly because Oda's use of darkness is quite different compared to "darkness magic"

[royal orchid]

what if the darkness fruit is based on someone who wanted to have power similar to imu

[grand flower]

Everything else is just a physical interaction between whatever the opposing thing is and Haki as a force

[royal orchid]

according to VP's fruit creation logic

[latent hamlet]

Well, in that case
BB himself would need to have a mentality of an all consuming dark that destroys everything it gathers

[frail cradle]

cocheh’s fruit is simply darkness + gravity extension as in a place where there’s no light

imu’s fruit is evil

[tulip turtle]

You're cooking!

[grand flower]

I think so

[frail cradle]

so its like ton-ton no mi and kilo-kilo no mi

you saying?

[grand flower]

Since Logias are the power to harness and become an aspect of nature, I think the aspect of nature that the Yami Yami embodies is the abyss itself and it's likewise tied to concept of an ocean

[latent hamlet]

A lot of darkness magic in fiction tends to share a similar trait that even Oda has done

It consumes everything and destroys it almost indiscriminately
Or maybe....the indiscriminate is the discriminate. It wants EVERYTHING to return to dark

[vital heart]

Lol no

[frail cradle]

or simply as in darkness that exists in natural environment

[grand flower]

Nah I think Imu is a myth zoan with the power to harness the abyss, and Teach is a logia that embodies the abyss

Think more like Kaido with Bolo Breath and Sabo with the Mera Mera

[latent hamlet]

There's the idea that light = life

But before the first light of life

[grand flower]

No he doesn't use it or no you can't confirm it

[latent hamlet]

There would only be darkness
An all consuming darkness

[vital heart]

He doesnt

[royal orchid]

lmao the lol no

[latent hamlet]

And that could be what BB/Imu may aim for

[grand flower]

Oh okay thank you Meek

you're a swell guy

[royal orchid]

also I thought meek was muted again for some reason

[frail cradle]

thats not meek tho

oh shit

[grand flower]

That is Meek

[frail cradle]

there’s two meeks

[grand flower]

Yeah there's Meek and Meeks

Confused me at first too

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[royal orchid]

meek and meeks and macks and neek and uhh

[frail cradle]

which meek is gooping

[lofty fern]

However, we have also heard Imu been called a god of this world several times, his power is beyond anything we've ever seen and he has a connection to the first world that came before devil fruits were even created. Even him being a devil would suggest a connection that the fruits have an origin in him. I think it's far too soon to conclude that his power comes from a measly devil fruit without further knowledge just because haki can affect it.
Haki can affect both df and non-df users. Even if a person has powers not connected with DFs, haki could disrupt that. (That's what I think actually happened that day with Joyboy''s haki knot, that it disrupted Imu's connection and concentration rather than actually disabling any DF power)
Haki I think can only take things so far which is why even haki powerhouses like Shanks, Joyboy, Rocks, or even Harald can't do anything.
This is power from even before DFs.

[royal orchid]

they're going to find your left ear in a plastic bag next to the Lincoln Memorial

[latent hamlet]

The power of darkness that can snuff out light, life, hope, all things
Except since its being controlled by BB/Imu

One could say BB/Imu's ultimate goal is the complete dominion of light and life and hope etc
the dark fruits will could be to merely return everything to dark
BB/Imu etc just aims it

[frail cradle]

BB fruit is natural darkness, should be a direct counterpart to Kizaru’s

[latent hamlet]

Plus u take in a lot of darkness users in other games and fiction
They like to say a line similar to

"Return to darkness"

[latent hamlet]

Darkness is weird to explain as an element magic tho

[frail cradle]

Darkness doesnt always mean evil in entertainment

[royal orchid]

natural phenomena

[lofty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/meeks-meeksy-meeks-meeks-meeks-chant-cheer-gif-13473385

[real turret]

I'm starting to believe that's not even his real fruit

[vale heath]

https://i.imgur.com/eIf5fnD.png what's up with this dude's arm

insane grip

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/514-meeks-meeks-the-goat-fortune-cookie-gif-11783132532308381127

[latent hamlet]

Thats true
But given oda's specific context, its hard to say

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-morgan-wallen-haha-lol-funny-gif-12061811708656851551

[latent hamlet]

If all fruits have a will

[royal orchid]

who keeps making these gifs

like they are not about me

[lofty fern]

It's meeks birthday?

[frail cradle]

i think teach’s darkness is NOT evil. Its natural darkness

like when its night

[royal orchid]

no that's in June

[frail cradle]

its darkness as natural element

[lofty fern]

Yay, another June birthday!

[latent hamlet]

But its got odd properties
Negation, gravity, literally consuming objects and people and destroying them from within

[frail cradle]

thats all natural

its how black hole works

he just use it to people, the evil one here is teach

the fruit concept is all natural

you succ things

[latent hamlet]

While natural, I think a lot of people would be against the idea of an all consuming void / darkness / abyss

[vale heath]

what's the will of springs

[frail cradle]

also those buildings arent destroyed, it just got compressed

and released at high gtravitt

gravitty

damn phone

teach darkness is based on physics

whereas imu darkness is literally evil embodiment

[latent hamlet]

So u believe imu's fruit / darkness abilities are more of an unnatural phenomenon

[grand flower]

However, we have also heard Imu been called a god of this world several times

Kaido, Luffy, Enel, and Loki have all been referred to as gods as a result of their powers. Not only that, but the people who refer to Imu as god are meant to be taken as invalid by the reader.

his power is beyond anything we've ever seen
No it's not. If you mean in terms of how many facets Imu's power is spread into, the Azure dragon and ESPECIALLY the Ope Ope are examples of DFs that grant a myriad of abilities that are connected by a theme. If you're talking about scale, we have seen Killingham, Dofy, Akainu, Whitebeard/Blackbeard, Moriah and Kaido produce effects that span across entire countries.
I think it's far too soon to conclude that his power comes from a measly devil fruit without further knowledge just because haki can affect it.
You can think that but what I'm interested in what rhetorical basis you can present that supports this over the basic pattern recognition I outlined earlier
Haki can affect both df and non-df users.
Not in this way. Neutralizing the effects of an ability has only applied to DFs thus far

[latent hamlet]

Almost akin to true fantastical magic in like higher western fantasy

[real turret]

But that destroys them in the process

[royal orchid]

today is just big text day huh

guess it is chapter release so

[frail cradle]

yeah in the same way like fire burns things and destroys them

[latent hamlet]

I just finished new york comic con and im eating Gelato I just wanna yap a lil

[formal wagon]

okay wow i guess my gif spam and <15 word messages mean nothing i guess i guess

[frail cradle]

ye he has hocus pocus voodoo mumbo jumbo dark magic

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-react-horse-horse-reaction-reaction-gif-27025262

[latent hamlet]

If fruits have a will, then would u say imu's fruit is complete demonic power subjugation then?

[formal wagon]

what if there was a one piece character named "the guesser" and he wore a green suit that had a black pattern of the phrase GUESS WHAT?! all over it. and he didn't have a devil fruit or haki or anything

[frail cradle]

yeah and it is the natural counter to luffy’s fruit

to liberate ppl

[formal wagon]

THEORY: this is not the real roger

[frail cradle]

and being the most free

[formal wagon]

more like the most PEE

[iron oriole]

DC lining up to sue

[formal wagon]

gosh i hate luffy

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-monkey-d-luffy-one-piece-hihihi-hahaha-gif-9154380755228027535

[latent hamlet]

Well, if luffy fruit is based off of people believing in Nika

Then vice versa
Imu's fruit must have consisted of a demon/devil king

The sun god vs the demon king

[frail cradle]

thats my theory,

the liberator vs the oppressor

simple

[real turret]

IMU IS THE PEOPLE BROOKS TIME SKIP ISLAND WERE CALLING 4

[frail cradle]

domi reversi makes ppl serve under imu out of their own will

[royal orchid]

holy shit dragon vs garp

[latent hamlet]

So in a sense
U think Oda is telling a classic "God of Sun and Freedom" vs "Demon of Oppression and Evil" but with pirates using magic fruits to do their own modern incarnation twist

[frail cradle]

freedom vs oppression

since east blue the whole series is all about that

[grand flower]

Blackbeard and Luffy being disruptors, I think, sets up a subversion of this

[frail cradle]

alvida was the first oppressor, luffy liberated koby

[grand flower]

Instead of something this straight forward it’s gonna be two opposing ideas of freedom

[royal orchid]

imu would be so mad that they got called away from the flower room to some random ass island talking about some war with long limb people

[frail cradle]

yea blackbeard role is adding the spices

its good

[grand flower]

A figure of freedom defined by the sun: warm, giving, altruistic

[latent hamlet]

Well luffy also isnt exactly your typical freedom fighter

He's just a chill dood

[frail cradle]

he is literally typical

[royal orchid]

Luffy is a terrorist

[grand flower]

Vs a figure of freedom defined by darkness: cold, all consuming and destructive

[royal orchid]

my goat

[frail cradle]

he wont get credits

[grand flower]

Luffy is a star

Blackbeard is a black hole

[frail cradle]

dragon is also a terrorist

[latent hamlet]

Hey that flag was flammable for a reason

[latent hamlet]

I mean not in a sense of him going "FREEDOM AND JUSTICE, DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT"

[frail cradle]

this is dragon

[lofty fern]

We shall just have to disagree--again. I'm pretty sure we've argued this one before too

[grand flower]

You can just admit that what I said is rhetorically sound

[lofty fern]

I need more evidence than a single pattern connection

[royal orchid]

mid level ragebait

[grand flower]

It’s the only pattern that exists

[latent hamlet]

I think its more easier to say that luffy himself is a symbol, yet his idea of freedom fighting is more so punching the guy he doesnt like, which encourages tbe oppressed to also want to punch the guy

[lofty fern]

Get me more evidence

[frail cradle]

i’m curious if you can provide evidence imu’s power is NOT from df

bcs all i see is none

[grand flower]

There was an attempt

The one that led to the agree to disagree

[frail cradle]

they all stay within DF criteria and range of powers

so far

[grand flower]

An argument based around the premise of unique, exclusive traits that can be observed by Imus powers

But every trait listed has been observed in DF powers

So it just doesn’t work

[frail cradle]

yeah he literally is a symbol of liberation

[lofty fern]

The burden of proof is not on me. I'm not making a claim that it IS something, I'm saying there is not enough evidence to conclusively say that its a DF

[frail cradle]

from all that exists, it is a DF

if its DF++, we dont know

[grand flower]

I wish you’d engage with the argument I actually made

Because I acknowledged it’s not conclusive

[formal wagon]

if imu gives people the power of evil. will coby give them the power of awesome?

disscuss.

[grand flower]

I said it’s more likely

[latent hamlet]

Imu's powers could be magical phenomenon that just happens to be natural to him and not a DF

But eh

[formal wagon]

pin this

[grand flower]

You’re too invested in arguing to argue

[frail cradle]

its possible imu has DF + magic

[latent hamlet]

Some times a fictional verse can have wacky wahoo magic shit

[frail cradle]

but he has one DF

[royal orchid]

the amount of different powers and absurd abilities
including at least 2 zoans, a paramecia book that summons weapons and turns living people into soldiers, ability to possibly create contracts and grant powers to others like telepathy, regeneration, immortality etcetcetc, now in 1162 what seems to be physically molting your body into fusing with a person

if this is a fruit it's the fucking jackpot

[lofty fern]

I did, though I do know that going back and forth with you doesn't come to much of a conclusion from our years of conversation, so I'm okay with just leaving it for now.

[grand flower]

Yeah Imu’s powers could turn out to be magic

And not a DF

There just aren’t traits yet that suggests it is

Everything about Imus powers can be observed in DFs

[latent hamlet]

BB: DARKNESS IS THE ULTIMATE LOGIA...but uh I want quake paramecia

imu
BB: WAIT, I WANT ULTIMATE ZOAN

[frail cradle]

the ultimate mythical zoan

[grand flower]

You’re not since you’re talking about conclusive proof when I said more likely

[latent hamlet]

Ultimate Mythical Zoan: Demon Demon Fruit

Model: Satan

[lofty fern]

I don't argue just to argue. That would be dumb. I argue because I have a different opinion than you do and I like to pose it the same as you. And a lot of times our opinions clash and then the argument starts.

[grand flower]

You’re not responding to what I said, you’re responding to what you feel will make you correct

It’s straw manning

[grand flower]

I wonder what model it is

I think the model is probably sea devil

Maybe another human model

[royal orchid]

Imu: it's fun that you're gonna defeat me with the power of friendship and all but again I am THE DEVIL from THE BIBLE so

[frail cradle]

kaido: transform into dragon, makes twisters, air blades, lightning, fly, generate flame cloud that can lift an entire island, insane durability, strength, fire breath

[grand flower]

Just like Law’s

[royal orchid]

I love this image

[latent hamlet]

Imu be like I HOPE YOU ARE RELIGIOUS BECAUSE I WILL SHOW U A RELIGION'S NIGHTMARE

turns into giant demon

[void knot]

GUESS THEIR FAVORITE COOKIE - Part One

Mihawk: Dark Chocolate Biscotti

Sengoku: Butter Shortbread with Macadamia

Akainu: Spicy Ginger Snap

Garling: White Chocolate Macaron with Gold Dust

Shanks: Rum-Soaked Oatmeal Raisin Cookie

Zeff: Buttery Sea-Salt Biscuit

Shirahoshi: Strawberry Sugar Cookie with Pearl Sprinkles

Makino: Honey Lavender Cookie

[grand flower]

Law has telekinesis, teleportation, spatial warping, sound manipulation, electricity generation, a force field, shockwave generation, phasing

[frail cradle]

we dont know if gorosei’s powers are only from imu

or each of them ate a mythical zoan df and imu gave them his extension of power

you get me?

[latent hamlet]

He's a doctor

[grand flower]

That is true

Hancock’s is kinda like this too

[lofty fern]

For me, haki affecting it just isn't enough. Especially since even the events of that day and how and why the haki affected anything isn't clear either. To be honest, there's just not enough information on both sides. Not enough knowledge of Imu's powers or any of the WGs powers for that matter.
I thought Rocks would know more, but it looks like it will be up to Imu and/or the elders and knights to explain it.

[latent hamlet]

They all carry mythical demon zoans

[grand flower]

She has her love beams

But her beams also double as a kinetic laser

[frail cradle]

dont forget breathing, walking, reasoning & thinking, running, etc

[grand flower]

She can produce arrows and bullets that just hit like solid projectiles

[latent hamlet]

I will say tho
Besides some of his more jankier things like counter shock gamma knife etc
Law's fruit really is more like "Space Space fruit"

[frail cradle]

akainu & katakuri = donut

[latent hamlet]

Law should have just used spacial rend

[grand flower]

I mean, it not being “for you” is just a fallacy on your part. For 1200 chapters, DFs have been the only thing Haki interacts with in this way. So it’s more likely it’s DF. Simple

[tulip turtle]

An ability that can grant powers like Devil Fruit to other people? I don’t think this has been observed in any Devil Fruits.

[latent hamlet]

Or Judgment Cut End

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-15212543196133848632

[lofty fern]

Actually, that's kinda like what Imu's facing now. WB at his prime, Kaido with his abilities, and Xebec all together

[latent hamlet]

Doffy would have died if law did this

[grand flower]

Bonney with distorted future

[frail cradle]

isnt this brook’s technique

[grand flower]

Also nightmare Luffy

[latent hamlet]

Brook slashes so fast the enemy doesnt notice

Judgment Cut End is similar but its also spacial slashes

[void knot]

Accurate. ... btw Kuzan only froze Hibari because he knows that Sakazuki's daughter and would've been a very valuable hostage.

[latent hamlet]

Because vergil sword the Yamato is capable of slashing space itself

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-nightmare-luffy-gif-19709908

[frail cradle]

i think imu can only give ppl the abyss, regen, and life extension thingy.

the gorosei transformations are separate

[latent hamlet]

Rocks without a logia tho he's just stronk

[royal orchid]

• transform into a dragon ✔️
• air twisters and blades ❌ that's air anyone with a blade or blade like weapon can do that in OP
• lightning ✔️❓still not sure if that's an oni thing
• fly ❌❓ doesn't it use the flame clouds to fly since it's a mythical fish thing?
• flame clouds ✔️ yep mythical power 1
• durability ❌ no that's a stat
• strength ❌ no that's a stat
• fire breath ✔️ yep mythical power 2

[lofty fern]

And I need more than that before I can agree with that conclusion 🤷
That's why I just said we have to disagree.

[cunning narwhal]

idk cause warcury was gonna jump into the ocean with no hesitation. their transformations are most likely tied to imu aswell

[void knot]

He could just be re-summoned back onto the island so fuck it why not

[royal orchid]

warcury didn't give a fuck

[frail cradle]

jumping into ocean isnt really a blocker anymore

[formal wagon]

im out of slop any slop recomendations besides one piece

[tulip turtle]

You could say that, but in this case, Luffy didn’t receive the power of any other Devil Fruit user. He just absorbed 100 souls within himself.

[latent hamlet]

He's a pig
Not the smartest animals

[frail cradle]

look at the gigantic dude

from BB pirates

Sanjuan Wolf

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-blowing-bubbles-gif-27203196

[royal orchid]

Skibidi Toilet on YouTube trust

[formal wagon]

ty

[cunning narwhal]

i dont think warcury's legs could reach the sea floor

[bright torrent]

ill slop for both of us

[cunning narwhal]

he aint THAT big

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[frail cradle]

i think he’ll be fine

[stone terrace]

Hes immortal

[frail cradle]

even if he drowns

[stone terrace]

Worst case scenario they fish him out like jack

[tulip turtle]

hmm could be, since we don't know if gorosei has eaten any devil fruits.

[formal wagon]

lmfao this is so good

[cunning narwhal]

we'll just chalk this up to him going senile until further notice lol

[latent hamlet]

Warcury: none are to speak of this

As the marines fish him out with a giant crane

[royal orchid]

what was dragon even coughing at
no one was smoking next to him

is he stupid

[formal wagon]

okay just checked out skibidi toilet on youtube... i wanted slop not peak.

[final trench]

Indeed

They have df powers but no weakness

[frail cradle]

dragon slanders are not accepted

[formal wagon]

if i wanted peak i'd just rewatch danmachi

[royal orchid]

I thought I read dunmeshi and almost agreed...

[frail cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-monkey-d-dragon-holy-knights-gif-12461719276437427286

GV is the reason why Dragon knows about HK

[formal wagon]

danmeshI>>>>>>

[grand flower]

Not only did it transform Luffy, it was even able to grant him skills he didn’t have

[void knot]

Or he just gets re-summoned back onto the island. We've seen no conclusive evidence that the summoning circle has to be on a solid surface to work. They could just literally appear anywhere the intended target for the summoning is. Underwater or not.

[bright torrent]

will it tho?

[formal wagon]

wait fuck i mean danmachi

[grand flower]

I think it did the same as Imus powers: transformed them and gave them abilities

[formal wagon]

wait i said danmachi

[bright torrent]

danmachi dez nuts

[frail cradle]

^ @grand flower

thats my theory

[formal wagon]

peter griffin no glasses : kaido

peter griffin glasses on : bitch

[grand flower]

You don’t need more, it being more likely just factually true because its the only way it’s worked so far

It being the only thing established to work this way is simply more likely than it being a new thing

[frail cradle]

who made this

[grand flower]

That’s all

[frail cradle]

sybau

[grand flower]

Yeah it could be that too

[royal orchid]

probably arisu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164996746429202432/1342139030846050394/IMG_4695.gif

[frail cradle]

alright i got to go

[royal orchid]

also probably the one who made this

[frail cradle]

see you all

[grand flower]

However, Imu is able to grant people demonic visages with Domi Reversi

[frail cradle]

good chat

[grand flower]

The elders can be a higher version of that

[frail cradle]

we saw moria’s fruit , so why not the same with imu

its a simple thing

[royal orchid]

shadow, darkness and abyss

[bright torrent]

ill see you tonight

[grand flower]

Yeah the effects of Morias powers made Luffy stronger and physically transformed him

[royal orchid]

why would oda mention moria again in Elbaph...

[grand flower]

Imus powers are in the realm of DFs

[formal wagon]

what if moria ate ozempic instead of his devil fruit

disscuss

pin thi

[royal orchid]

s

[frail cradle]

moria shouldve taken antidepressant tbh

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-god-finally-alan-smiling-friends-gif-6374987841304490525

[frail cradle]

his trope is the fallen genius

[royal orchid]

a little Alan in my head said this the second I read your message

[stone terrace]

Kaido broke his brain

The further we get into this series the funnier his plan was

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

My pirate crew

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-moria-bats-luffy-gecko-moria-vs-luffy-thriller-bark-gif-13805469513470164359

[frail cradle]

it might be true

thunder bagua’d his chin

[royal orchid]

40 yo kaido

[olive sigil]

The same way rocks broke garling’s brain

[olive sigil]

Please use the real silver axe

[royal orchid]

god current moria is so ugly

[stone terrace]

Godhead of science?

[royal orchid]

oda is an amazing ugly character designer

[olive sigil]

No body shaming

[royal orchid]

no I'm face shaming

he's ugly

as shit

[formal wagon]

hot ttake: kaido is ugly and should die

[stone terrace]

That panel of moria and kuma meeting is so funny

[royal orchid]

mailbox gets it

[royal orchid]

🔼🔽

[formal wagon]

it= total control of planet earth

manifesting

[olive sigil]

He’s cool. I like the demonic face

[royal orchid]

demonically ugly

[royal orchid]

how does oda take himself seriously drawing panels like these

[stone terrace]

I dont think i ever took moria seriously

[royal orchid]

5% leg vs 5% head

[frail cradle]

bro has the most serious backstory and you dont take him seriously

no wonder bro is depressed