bills are a good offseason away from being a contender next season
#sports
rustic mountain
They were full strength against us and got walloped
celest zephyr
eh honestly it might be the bengals if they can somehow get their coaching together and make the playoffs
rustic mountain
It really do just be KC and IF Tennessee can get fully healthy
celest zephyr
they are a balanced team with talent
dim kettle
I lost faith in the Chargers when they couldn't even make a SB with LT, Gates, and Rivers. Doesn't matter now, it's all interchangeable at this point.
rustic mountain
Cincy has to be more consistent
celest zephyr
yeah that's why it'd be getting hot
rustic mountain
One week they look like an upcomer the next they can’t beat Jimmy G
celest zephyr
Jimmy G is a game manager QB
rustic mountain
Not a good one either
celest zephyr
if the other guys make plays the offense is fine
dim kettle
Cincy isn't ready yet to make a run for a SB either. This is the same team that had like 6 wins in total 2 seasons before this season. Still a lot of work to be done.
celest zephyr
yeah there definitely is
chilly flare
I do not think Jimmy G is a good QB
rustic mountain
Obviously someone in the AFC is going to the super bowl
celest zephyr
he's not good but he can run an offense at a fine enough level
rustic mountain
If I am not being a pats super fan, I take KC rn
celest zephyr
to be a playoff team
chilly flare
But doesn't he have a 31-13 record as a QB? I am not a big "Wins area QB stat" person but it is kind of weird
celest zephyr
not a guy who does much wrong
chilly flare
I know the Niners have had a very good roster the last few years
dim kettle
rn KC could make another run. But the Titans. Henry get's healthy; things are gonna become interesting.
rustic mountain
Jimmy is a lot like Alex Smith
chilly flare
But still shocked he has that kind of record
celest zephyr
if the team is playing well around him it'll be good
eh he just lets the talent on offense go to work and give them the ball in the right spots
rustic mountain
I mean that’s the qbs job
We all got used to Mahomes and Rodgers being super heroes
rustic mountain
Hell even Tom Brady could be described as that
celest zephyr
also i wish lance could do that lol but he can't
dim kettle
I still think Lance should be starter. Like, every win that Jimmy G get's doesn't benefit the Niners long term in anyway
rustic mountain
I think Lance busts tbh
celest zephyr
Jimmy G is having the team play well enough to where they can't play lance
honestly yeah decent shot he does
rustic mountain
So does Lawrence but that’s more Jacksonville being Jacksonville
celest zephyr
feels like some lower round qb is going to pan out well
rustic mountain
They should have too imo
honest umbra
agreed
celest zephyr
yeah i wanted fields
rustic mountain
I am just glad they stayed away from Mac
celest zephyr
mac couldn't be justified
dim kettle
The first year should honestly not matter as much as the second year. And you're not looking for god like stats with rookie QBs, you're looking to see if he can be the guy.
celest zephyr
he's a good qb but just can't trade 3 firsts for him
rustic mountain
At least the guy in your system
celest zephyr
i'd love to have taken him with the original pick or moving up a bit
but a 3 man that's a tough sell
chilly flare
I had Lawrence, Fields, Mac, Wilson, Lance in that order coming out as who I thought would be best
rustic mountain
Tbh I didn’t think Lawrence would be a sure thing and that’s mainly because
Jacksonville
celest zephyr
as someone who barely has an idea had wilson first granted did think he needed to develop a lot
rustic mountain
Like the dude was kinda doomed
celest zephyr
and didn't watch lawrence
dim kettle
I just had this conversation earlier. I'm really tired of people saying raw talent QBs should be benched their first year and I'm tired of people expecting these QBs to make a big difference right off the bat on shitty 1-2 win teams.
chilly flare
Anyone going to the current Jets and Jags was probably doomed to fail
celest zephyr
at this point lance should play but eh
rustic mountain
I am not saying its Trevor’s fault Shadow
I am saying Jacksonville is gonna fuck it up
celest zephyr
i had the feeling that jimmy g was going to get an extra 2 or 3 meaningless wins
rustic mountain
They kinda already are by keeping Meyer
celest zephyr
over lance if he played
dim kettle
I am not saying its Trevor’s fault Shadow
No, I'm not referring to any of you here. I'm saying in general with the media and people on twitter, etc
rustic mountain
Ahh I see
celest zephyr
tbh here has had in general some of the more rational people i've seen online
rustic mountain
Well yeah because the media wants everyone to be like Mahomes
chilly flare
No, I'm not referring to any of you here. I'm saying in general with the media a...
People expect 20 year old QBs to go to 1-15 and 2-14 teams and turn them in to fringe playoff contenders immediately
celest zephyr
as i mentioned before qbs that aren't hof talents are overrated
chilly flare
Absurd standards
rustic mountain
They want a sensation to run a story on or talk about how people bust. Talking heads don’t know anymore than anyone else. Nick Wright and Skip Bayless are proof of that
celest zephyr
they are useful sure but a bad team runs them to the ground
dim kettle
People just fail to understand that let's say Winston and Luck had pretty good rookie seasons. Why can't T-Law and Wilson do the same? And I'm like, Luck and Winston had actual talent on the offensive side of the ball and one of the Jets best receivers get's benched by their HC for causing penalties on back to back plays.
chilly flare
Nick Wright is significantly better than Skip
I think Mina Kimes is probably my favorite NFL analyst on ESPN or any other sports network at the moment
rustic mountain
I thoroughly dislike Nick Wright and Skip Bayless and find them both insufferable for different issues
chilly flare
I always learn something new
rustic mountain
Bayless I am pretty sure the dumbest man on all of television
celest zephyr
tbh anyone who goes to them for rational takes is just foolish
dim kettle
I don't even pay attention to ESPN, Fox Sports personalities. Because they never look deep into things like Rookie QB expectations.
rustic mountain
I honestly don’t care for their opinions either way but some of the takes are baffling
chilly flare
I think you should give Mina Kimes a chance. I think she is fantastic
celest zephyr
mina is fine but idk not great
rustic mountain
Maybe. I only listen to some stuff at work on break for a bit. Don’t make a habit of listening to any of em
Pat Macafee is kinda funny sometimes
dim kettle
You know ESPN has Dan Orlovsky on their NFL shows. And I'm like, yeah, because I really want to know an hot-take opinion from a guy whose most known for running out the back of the endzone.
chilly flare
Give her podcast a listen this week and if ya dont like it obviously that is cool but she knows what she is talking about for sure
rustic mountain
ESPN out here hiring some the worst players
chilly flare
Dan is not great lol
haughty moss
I think Mina Kimes is probably my favorite NFL analyst on ESPN or any other spor...
Facts
dim kettle
I remember David just simping to Derek whenever he could in 2015-16
rustic mountain
Yep
Then Warren Sapp for like a couple years but
Yeh
We know what happened there
Also fuck Marshall Faulk
dim kettle
Man, if you ever watch the show they have on NFL Network before the games, it's like a bad SNL sketch.
rustic mountain
Imma ask this
Do any of you care for those Rob Riggle skits on fox
At all
They had Frank Callendo for a while too
dim kettle
I don't even bother watching those pregame shows to even care.
rustic mountain
I stoped watching pre games a long time ago
But my brother will
And he likes the sketches and K just kinda go
dim kettle
I'm usually listening to my local cities sports radio show.
rustic mountain
I literally don’t turn on my tv til kickoff lol
celest zephyr
i just watch the game or use any pregame as just background entertainment
rustic mountain
Usually I’ll just kinda chill with my gf in the morning if I have an afternoon game and if it’s morning, I just wake a little earlier and do some chores
dim kettle
I used to mute my TV and play the Bucs radio commentary. But since I use internet to watch TV now, It's like a minute behind the radio.
rustic mountain
The commentary is always ass unless it’s like Romo
dim kettle
I like Kenny Albert and Kevin Harlan, That's about it.
rustic mountain
Albert is good too
Does a lot of CBS so a lot of New England games
Joe Buck is the most boring commentator I stg
chilly flare
Unpopular opinion but I don't hate Joe buck
dim kettle
I prefer Buck doing baseball games. And I know that's a meme to say.
chilly flare
I actually like him more on MLB but I don't hate him with Troy on fox
dim kettle
Joe has gotten better with reacting to stuff in football. I can at least say that.
I just think his voice just fits better with baseball.
rustic mountain
And Booger McFarlane or whatever his face was
chilly flare
Do yall agree that the Manning cast on MNF is better when it is on?
chilly flare
And Booger McFarlane or whatever his face was
He was so bad
rustic mountain
As much as I disliked both Eli and Peyton when they played, they are genuinely enjoyable to watch for mnf
chilly flare
I just think his voice just fits better with baseball.
I agree. Hearing him yell on the walkoffs just hit different to me
dim kettle
They're entertaining. But if my team is playing, it's hard to pay attention to the two of them.
rustic mountain
I really only watch my team now so idk how they are outside of that
dim kettle
Yeah, I really only watch the Bucs and that's about it most times. Football isn't even my favorite sport to begin with.
rustic mountain
I mainly catch scores and if I am interested in the team I play next, I watch highlights of their last game
Football is kinda the only sport I follow rn
dim kettle
Hockey and Baseball I can watch every day. Football, meh.
chilly flare
The bears get primetime games in back to back weeks??🤢
rustic mountain
Basketball, genuinely, bores me so bad I cannot stand it. I am happy if others like it
But I just can’t
dim kettle
BEARS FOOTBALL!!
chilly flare
Hockey might be the most entertaining sport to watch in person
dim kettle
No kidding.
chilly flare
I don't really have a hockey team because I only occasionally watch it
dim kettle
Hockey is the only sport I really tried playing fantasy with. Let's say it didn't last long.
rustic mountain
It’s becoming tradition in the house to watch the stanley cup final
I hate fantasy sports
chilly flare
But I remember liking Chara for the bruins way back when when I had like NHL 2012 or something
haughty moss
fantasy only cool for basketball and football
rustic mountain
Played fantasy one year with my brother’s friends and they were all major asshats and just not fun
dim kettle
I can't get into it. I root for teams, not players to get a specific amount of stats
rustic mountain
Exactly
chilly flare
But being a Yankees fan liking anyone from Boston makes me nauseous
dim kettle
As a Rays fan. Same feelings.
chilly flare
Cora is a good manager though
rustic mountain
Now just New England and that’s about it
haughty moss
But being a Yankees fan liking anyone from Boston makes me nauseous
me with celtics fans
rustic mountain
Cora is a cheating asshat who Boston “fired” for one year then brought back
It stuck with me really really wrong that they did that
chilly flare
Hard for me to be that against cheating because I know deep down the Yankees probably did similar 'tactics' as the Red Sox
celest zephyr
don't like the celtics as a raptors fan or the bruins
rustic mountain
It was more the way it was handled. Every sports team does shit. They do.
chilly flare
They didn't even really apologize
dim kettle
Sometimes I forget the Rays were a victim in the Astros cheating. Doesn't hit me as hard as let's say a Yankee fan because I didn't have that much expectations as the Yanks did in 2019
rustic mountain
Then hired Cora back
Woulda been one thing if they stuck by the dude or stuck with the firing. But nah
chilly flare
But Boston pretended to be all full of dignity and respect
Patriots with Deflate-gate and spy-gate lol
rustic mountain
- Bill owned up to Spygate and took his lumps
chilly flare
The Rays and Yankees have had their beef in recent years
And I think tropicana is silly
rustic mountain
- If you genuinely believe New England deflated the balls I can’t help you man
dim kettle
Most of my family are Yankee fans, so, yeah. lol
dim kettle
And I think tropicana is silly
It's a prison disguised as a baseball stadium
chilly flare
But I find them easy to root for when the Yankees are out because they always have a super low payroll and rely on scouting + development
dim kettle
Also, takes me almost 2 hours to get to the damn place.
chilly flare
2. If you genuinely believe New England deflated the balls I can’t help you man
I never thought this was a big deal I was mostly joking lol
rustic mountain
Lol no worries
I just know there are people who still cling to it and I just kinda shrug
chilly flare
Also about the Patriots
dim kettle
Not like deflating the balls actually played a factor in the Colts game anyways. They could've had 10 thousand pacifistas out there and they still couldn't have stop Blount.
chilly flare
Is Donta Hightower one of the most under appreciated linebackers/defenders of the last decade or what?
rustic mountain
stares intensely at my Hightower jersey
Yes
Yes he is
Donta, in my humble opinion, is the best linebacker in New England’s history
dim kettle
I still think Tedy Bruschi doesn't get talked about enough. He was one of the faces on the defense for those 2000s Pat teams.
rustic mountain
Trust me. I love Teddy. I do
Donta just has been more impactful imo from the time he got there. He literally came in his rookie year and solidified himself as a huge piece of the team
chilly flare
People always talked about Wagner and Keuchly (rightfully so they were amazing) but Hightower was also in that tier of LBs imo
rustic mountain
I agree.
chilly flare
May not have been as good as them at their peak but still in that tier for sure
rustic mountain
Hightower is definitely in that category imo
dim kettle
Richard Seymour was there too. The Pats had so many great players on D that get forgotten because Tom Brady and the offense were often the talking point.
rustic mountain
Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Vince Wilfork
Willie McGinest being the man
Tons of fond memories of Asante Samuel and even Roman Phifer
dim kettle
That 07 team, yeah the offense was OP af but that defense was as elite as it ever was... Until that day
I'll just sneak this in
rustic mountain
Would trade the Rams ring and the Falcons ring for that one
dim kettle
I think Tom would trade 5 rings for that one.
Too bad no team went 19-0.
Now it's 20-0
rustic ore
Now it's 20-0
Actually now it would be 21-0
rustic mountain
6 rings and 10 appearances
rustic mountain
And even though Tom is going to the hall for us, he keeps adding to resume with TB
rustic ore
Which we appreciate
rustic ore
First time in almost 15 years that the Bucs have had back to back seasons with a winning record, first time in over 20 that they've had back to back 10+ win seasons
dim kettle
You know, if the Bucs win and the Falcons lose next week. The Bucs win the NFC South for the first time since 07.
chilly flare
I keep thinking Brady is 40 when he is actually 44… will never be able to wrap my head around what he is doing at that age
dim kettle
First time in almost 15 years that the Bucs have had back to back seasons with a...
13 years. Actually. The Bucs went 9-7 in 08 Which we do not talk about.
rustic mountain
I am always expecting a game where Tom just. Crashes but even if he isnt sharp one week
rustic ore
Hence why I said almost 15 years 😉
dim kettle
I hate thinking that I was 9 years old the last time the Bucs had a home playoff game.
rustic ore
I mean, technically
dim kettle
Still never thought Tampa of all teams would be the first team to host a SB at home.
rustic ore
Same
Happy we could set a cool 1st ever in NFL history instead of one of our many numerous depressing ones
dim kettle
Hey, we hold 26 game losing streak with pride around here.
rustic ore
Like taking 31 years to get our first ever kick return TD
dim kettle
At one point being the least winning franchise in sports. That's gone now.
rustic ore
Thank you TWolves
dim kettle
This image aged like fine wine.
bitter rover
Yikes, i spent 259 hours in r/mma this year 
burnt cedar
Arteta let him go for 3m
Seems like he’s finally blossoming https://twitter.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1470511025829072905?s=21
Twitter
restive sundial
burnt cedar
Twitter
chilly flare
silk notch
didn't think auba being club captain was a good idea
Well he was the carrying for a while
Atleast he isnt Maguire
sweet tree
was a bit of a downgrade to go from xhaka who's a really good captain to auba, wonder who gets it now
silk notch
Well I thought fans hated Xhaka cause of told them to fuck off that one time lol
Cant be captain after that
sweet tree
he got stripped after the incident in palace
burnt cedar
What point is a process if he’s the one leading it
sweet tree
nah that's true
burnt cedar
he got stripped after the incident in palace
He’s one of the favourite to get it
Him and lacazette
Personally would be fine with Tierney or Gabriel getting it
Ramsdale/Odegaard too early for them as they’ve just joined
sweet tree
why odegaard
burnt cedar
He’s Norway’s captain
burnt cedar
And apparently he is a leader behind the scenes
Also not a fan of goalies as captains lol
sweet tree
burnt cedar
End of the day it doesn’t matter who’s captain
silk notch
Well it kinda does but it's not that important
sweet tree
I think xhaka is probably the best one there is for that job but I guess it's probably better to bet on someone new
burnt cedar
Tomorrow it’s whoever else is captain
silk notch
I think xhaka is probably the best one there is for that job but I guess it's pr...
He probably still is but he made too many mistakes already
burnt cedar
You can’t be here for 2.5 years and talk about culture yet constantly be fighting the players
It’s gotta be your man management that’s the problem then
sweet tree
he was overperfoming ?
burnt cedar
Also we don’t really create much for him
burnt cedar
he was overperfoming ?
Yeah since emery
silk notch
His xG was gonna catch up to him
Ik but I didnt expect it to be this bad
silk notch
Probably the contract too
silk notch
Man got that 350k a week right?
burnt cedar
Now we won’t get much for either
burnt cedar
Man got that 350k a week right?
Plus bonuses
Apparently he has a ucl bonus which he gets even if we don’t make it
silk notch
Personally wanted him and laca sold last year
Wasnt Juve after laca a while ago?
burnt cedar
Wasnt Juve after laca a while ago?
Roma bid 20m and we turned it down
Now he’s most likely leaving for free
silk notch
Laca just been a failed transfer lmao
burnt cedar
Yeah that’s why we signed Auba 6 months later 
burnt cedar
Yeah lol
I think 13 is his career best in the prem
But 10 on average
I can see us doing some bs like a Auba for coutinho swap
burnt cedar
He’d be fine in la liga I think
silk notch
Is coutinho still worth something?
sweet tree
idk
burnt cedar
I don’t want coutinho at all lol
silk notch
I forget that man even existed
silk notch
Wasnt arsenal trying to get aour or something a while ago?
burnt cedar
Not really convinced with this Vlahovic guy we’re linked too as well
sweet tree
probably never happening
burnt cedar
Wasnt arsenal trying to get aour or something a while ago?
Yeah but with his entourage him and arteta will defo clash lol
So even if he ever joined he’d be out the door straight away
silk notch
Yeah but with his entourage him and arteta will defo clash lol
Oh interesting
burnt cedar
Aouars brother wanted another 10m in agent fees
I think that’s why nobody has signed him yet
robust grotto
WJC roster was announced for Russia - they don’t have a single right handed shot and they made sure not to invite any kids that play in North American juniors ( which is all bullshit politics )
Russian government is trying to pass a law there that makes kids pay fees in order to play abroad. From Junior to pro level
robust grotto
My bad to cut you guys off, was just on my mind. Also congrats @burnt cedar @short spindle on the win tmw. I don’t have much faith in West Ham here. We’re shit against Arsenal, I think I’ve only seen 2 league wins against you guys since I’ve been a fan in 2014. If Bowen can’t score tmw I’m not sure who will, especially if Cresswell is out… need him to take corners
Antonio has 1 goal in the last 12, his form is completely out the window and we don’t have a striker on the bench. No consequences for him if he’s poor
burnt cedar
Antonio has 1 goal in the last 12, his form is completely out the window and we ...
Don’t worry about this
He will score
When a team/player needs to get back into form arsenal is there for them
United first win at home Everton only win in 8
robust grotto
that’s what I said going into Burnley, but genuinely he’s off
robust grotto
The thing about Antonio too, you’ll see tmw, he fucking drifts everywhere. You’ll see him flying down the left and there’s going to be no one at the middle
burnt cedar
Firmino didn’t score for 19 games I think then scored a hattrick vs us
robust grotto
Yeah exactly, I genuinely don’t have much faith for a result. And no Auba… that’s great for you guys. Saka and ESR should have a field day
burnt cedar
You was 3-0 up last time we met
robust grotto
And still found a way to draw - always have a tough time w Arsenal
short spindle
Remember when West Ham bottled 3-0 lead against Arsenal?
Peak times
I would start Martinelli as CF
robust grotto
JLingz had a banger that game too
yeah I see no reason why Arsenal can’t win. How are you guys on defending corners ?
Corners or from a fast break by Bowen. Only way WHU score tmw
celest zephyr
Twitter
nets raptors playing a covid/injury bowl game
two teams with 10 players
Twitter
now nets with possibly 9
haughty moss
man
dim kettle
robust grotto
Also if anyone cares, https://twitter.com/vorkywh24/status/1470793653996204033?s=21
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That’s what I was saying earlier. So expect less Russians to play in Canadian juniors going forward
chilly flare
One of the more wild NFL seasons that I can remember
short spindle
yeah I see no reason why Arsenal can’t win. How are you guys on defending corner...
Decent
chilly flare
Browns get a key win and then get hit with that
short spindle
Sometines maybe good,sometimes maybe shit
haughty moss
Twitter
chilly flare
Oof
haughty moss
Rough week
chilly flare
The games this week are a lot tougher to pick compared to last week
robust grotto
Sometines maybe good,sometimes maybe shit
Hmmm maybe we can nick one off a corner then. Virgil Van Dawson with a header
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1470820780283998213?s=21
Oh my god
haughty moss
Twitter
tranquil depot
SUUUUUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
hasty basin
robust grotto
Leeds are a shadow of what they were last year
chilly flare
All the leagues are going through it with Covid
rustic ore
Meh, he'll be out a week and back the next. No shot the NFL goes lockdown again
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1470844103730552843?s=20
Well, that’ll screw the Cardinals over even more
chilly flare
He just played yesterday
That does not look like that will be good for other rams players and possibly Cardinal players
Rip
honest umbra
kdb rocket
how is manc playing?
tulip barn
De Bruyne just broke the net
dim ledge
Every single forward player has scored for them today
sweet tree
they're destroying leeds
dim ledge
Except Bernardo but idk if he's playing
celest zephyr
Twitter
tulip barn
Leeds getting killed
chilly flare
I walked away for like 10 minutes and Man City scored twice
sweet tree
dkm
chilly flare
LOL
robust grotto
Leeds ?! Good lord
celest zephyr
all those players?
unless their own twitter is lying yes
haughty moss
Twitter
rustic ore
all those players?
Yup, all of them got Rona-chan
celest zephyr
celest zephyr
westbrook for hield and bagley
haughty moss
celest zephyr
i'd die of laughter if westbrook got traded to the kings
honest umbra
westbrook for hield and bagley
no way he’s traded
he’s been playing better
and they have been playing better
literally AD is the problem lol
celest zephyr
he probably won't but teams also don't trade players when they aren't worth anything
honest umbra
he’s hella loved by the fans and fits right in, they would have done it in offseason
this is just bait imo
honest umbra
I mean nothing will happen to AD either
but he’s def more of a problem rn than westbrook
I actually enjoy watching Westbrook rn lol
celest zephyr
idk man if lebron sours on ad then it'll be a different story
celest zephyr
true but eh he might do it for the team
honest umbra
lebron didn’t sour on wade or bosh or even kyrie
kyrie soured on Lebron which is a different story
if AD wants to leave, that’s a diff story
celest zephyr
they also weren't a big issue on the team
honest umbra
lol bosh got equally amount of hate on those heat teams
it’s just forgotten becuz its bygones
celest zephyr
different if he was playingwell
honest umbra
but AD is supposed to be 2x more talented and be the number one
and got hella more money
so our expectations for him are rightfully so
yet he hasn’t delivered except one anazing playoff run
celest zephyr
yeah ik that's what i meant
players get hate always just cuz people can
but if the guy is performing below expectations then that's more warranted
tbh why do people think ad can be the number 1 he had one mvp candidate caliber season in new orleans but never really elevated the team that much from what i remember besides that season
and then the playoff run where he was good but granted bron was still quite good also
rustic ore
Twitter
rustic ore
nuggets are probably the worst team in the league when he's not on the court
Didn't Russ finish an MVP season averaging a triple-double stat line?
honest umbra
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1470879040903036931?s=20
is this good or bad?
honest umbra
Didn't Russ finish an MVP season averaging a triple-double stat line?
yes
they were 6th seed
lol
rustic ore
is this good or bad?
I would imagine good since I believe this current season was at 182 mil
honest umbra
but that was more a narrative mvp
than anything else
first guy to average trip double for a szn
hes done it twice more since
honest umbra
first guy to average trip double for a szn
since robertson ofc
celest zephyr
yeh but that's not this season lol
haughty moss
Jokic is the lifeline
celest zephyr
that's not a good team though
honest umbra
that's not a good team though
honestly
they should be
they put their future on murray and MPJ
then they had a nice young core too
celest zephyr
meant the thunder in '17
celest zephyr
but yeah murray and mpj are also out
honest umbra
murray is either injured or hasnt proven himself outside of 1 playoff run
idek if torrey craig is there anymore
they picked up gordon who i dont think they needed
celest zephyr
and their young guys haven't developed a ton for the most part
honest umbra
they used to have grant right?
silk notch
well that 1 playoff run murry had was crazy
silk notch
grant wanted the bag
celest zephyr
nah the opportunity
honest umbra
oh yea, hes excelling in DET rn
celest zephyr
nuggets were willing to pay the same amount
honest umbra
that dude dumb lol
celest zephyr
wanted more of a role
iirc he wanted to be the first option or something like that
smoky fable
Too bad Grant is out
haughty moss
get him outta here
dim kettle
smoky fable
https://tenor.com/view/avr-915-steph-curry-stephen-curry-counting-gif-11955787
Breaking the record tonight?
haughty moss
just did few mins ago
smoky fable
Congrats to him.
celest zephyr
Twitter
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1470898659378270211
Covid has dominated.
haughty moss
haughty moss
Haha
chilly flare
The warriors are so likable now
long kestrel
imagine being the dude trying to block a record breaking shot
chilly flare
His arm long as hell
robust grotto
It’s funny to see the warriors wear those jerseys at MSG. The lettering is clear carbon copy of NYRs lettering
celest zephyr
Goat activities, real happy for steph
dim kettle
Twitter
haughty moss
celest zephyr
https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1470959904584351748?s=20
this guy has such terrible takes sometimes he'd fit right in on espn
smoky fable
@rustic mountain take the Chiefs
celest zephyr
https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1470959904584351748?s=20
he watches basketball with his eyes closed
rustic mountain
With literally only 1 game away from a perfect week, our week 14 winner with 13 games correct is @chilly flare !
rustic mountain
With literally only 1 game away from a perfect week, our week 14 winner with 13 ...
Win totals through week 14
rustic mountain
Win totals through week 14
celest zephyr
literallyimpossible for me to win 10 games
rustic ore
That is easily one of the hardest hits in NFL
Pure shoulder to shoulder hit but still enough force that is popped the guy's helmet loose and sent it flying
haughty moss
Twitter
smoky fable
Browns season is done at this point
robust grotto
That’s awful. Also damn we’ve reached the point of the season where there are Saturday games
It’s almost playoff time
robust grotto
@burnt cedar @short spindle GGs only today lads.
short spindle
Arsenal are going to give West Ham a win
burnt cedar
Arsenal win I’m happy
Arsenal lose I’m more happy because it means we’re close to arteta going
Win Win
chilly flare
The Browns and Rams competing to see who can have more players test positive
honest umbra
The Browns and Rams competing to see who can have more players test positive
The only link between the two clubs is OBJ
👀
dim kettle
Turns out he really caught everything.
robust grotto
Arsenal are going to give West Ham a win
lol I’m not so sure but thanks for making me feel better 😂
Twitter
honest umbra
So every team in every major American sport then
robust grotto
Yep more or less
dim ledge
Salah should be there but at this point
Everyone and their mum knows that he's world class so
sweet tree
aguero officially retired huh
dim ledge
Barca's luck has just been shit for a while now
sweet tree
that's sad but he had a really good career
dim ledge
To the extent that I'm surprised that FDJ has been as brilliant as he's been
Though Pedri is also very good
sweet tree
we've had tough luck on injuries this season, maybe things could've turned out diffeeent but idk we need to make signings
anyways aguero scored 1 goal for us in the el clasico game
came on as a sub
would've been nice if it meant something but oh well our defense is just too funny
robust grotto
robust grotto
Leeds are dreadful
and I feel awful for the Watford away fans. travel all the way to Burnley just for it to get canceled a few hours before the match. Someone was telling me yesterday the last thing the PL wants is to shut down the league
burnt cedar
Barca's luck has just been shit for a while now
Been brewing for years
Finally paying for the all the crimes they’ve committed
haughty moss
chilly flare
That is awesome
haughty moss
major signing
celest zephyr
idk how they do it without ad
just purely from a money perspective
and westbrook is playing well
man embiid and ad on the same team would make that team contenders for the injury bowl every year
smoky fable
I don’t see the fit there at all
Regarding ad and embiid
Surprised La wants to try and get Ben though
celest zephyr
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1471180320271704068
i don’t see how this would benefit the lakers lmao
haughty moss
Pass on Ben
celest zephyr
I don’t see the fit there at all
i don't either but there's also no way else the money works
and ad would either be directly in a three team deal or shipped off later on
dim kettle
The Lakers clearly don't know how to construct a NBA team. They just get names and hope they can jell as a team.
So, I'm not surprised if they're thinking about this.
celest zephyr
the worst part is they had a working model that just had to be improved in 2019-2020
just needed to get some more shooting without sacrificing that much defense
silk notch
i don’t see how this would benefit the lakers lmao
Our defense kinda sucks rn but he isnt worth it
chilly flare
This F1: Drive to Survive on Netflix is really good
celest zephyr
eh i haven't watched it
good for the sport but i'm cool with just watching the races themselves
chilly flare
Been wanting to get more into F1 in recent months and being on break from school I have plenty of time to watch this and get into it
celest zephyr
If you weren’t watching this season you really missed out
chilly flare
I watched the last race
sweet tree
I tuned into like the last 3
was really fun gotta say, might peep that Netflix series soon
chilly flare
Season one they are talking about Verstappen being this up and coming prodigy and well here we are 4 years later lol
smoky fable
West Ham sloppy af tonight
Are they winning
smoky fable
Ah
sweet tree
arsenal looking p good
short spindle
Gabi 
robust grotto
Fab and Dawson saving it rn
short spindle
Emirates is empty
robust grotto
I told you guys, west ham have no build up play. If it’s not a set piece or a counter it’s over
Won’t last another 20 minutes against that kind of pressure
short spindle
How did Gabi miss it
sweet tree
so many lost balls in your own half, i see it. You guys probably had a good 8 minutes at one point in their own half
robust grotto
Rough man. Credit to Arsenal for sure though. They are angry tonight
short spindle
We need to kill this game off
sweet tree
did fab save that tierney shot or was that off the post
short spindle
Save
robust grotto
Fab got a tip with his hand. Antonio needs to be dropped man
We’ve gone a year and a half without a backup striker it’s actually ridiculous
short spindle
Moyes can fix Martial
robust grotto
There’s no consequences for Antonio. He knows he’s in the team every time
burnt cedar
There’s no consequences for Antonio. He knows he’s in the team every time
Who even is your backup striker lol
burnt cedar
Scored a banger last week
burnt cedar
He’s got the body of a 40 year old
sweet tree
it says we are linked with him
honest umbra
and he was on the bench!
burnt cedar
Barca line ups kill me
sweet tree
I dont recall that goal
sweet tree
which one
robust grotto
Technically the backup striker today is 19 year old Armstrong Okoflex
sweet tree
we got a lot of kids
honest umbra
but abde is talent
burnt cedar
Began with a J
robust grotto
Past few games it’s been 17 year old Sonny Perkins
burnt cedar
Will West Ham spend in jan
robust grotto
besides Antonio, West Ham haven’t had striker since they sold Haller
robust grotto
Yes but we lost Zouma and Ogbonna so they may buy CB again
sweet tree
Haller looking good but it's probably cause of Ten Hags system
robust grotto
And I won’t be shocked if Lingard moves.
sweet tree
tho he's surrounded by good players too
burnt cedar
Haller looking good but it's probably cause of Ten Hags system
Yeah
burnt cedar
Gabiiii
short spindle
Screaming without the s as we speak
sweet tree
class finish
sweet tree
arsenal go 4th by 1 point ye?
honest umbra
yes
sweet tree
if they win that is
short spindle
I love Rambo's passion
robust grotto
Yeh
short spindle
We haven't been in top 4 for 2 years
honest umbra
2 long years
robust grotto
Masuaku is going to dream of Saka running past him I swear
sweet tree
laca kinda balling
robust grotto
Laca loves a London derby
Dawson is the best player in dark blue tonight
Antonio isn’t even playing striker, this is what I was telling you guys
Corner is the only way west ham can score tonight. God damnit. I’m worried we might not even score against fucking Norwich this weekend. Just awful in the final third
burnt cedar
VARSENAL
sweet tree
not sure if that's a pen
burnt cedar
Yeah it’s not
robust grotto
Shit call. We are capitulating omfg
robust grotto
We don’t have a bench. We can’t replace Coufal next week
God fucking damnit I hate playing Arsenal man
sweet tree
good save fab
rustic ore
@rustic mountain Could I please have the Chiefs tomorrow?
burnt cedar
Lmaooo
sweet tree
lol
rustic mountain
You may
burnt cedar
Ball don’t lie
short spindle
3rd one missed this season
sweet tree
fair enough
burnt cedar
Retake
short spindle
We will crumble now
burnt cedar
Coufal got sent off for no reason
robust grotto
West Ham will have to play an academy product to replace Coufal over the weekend
we don’t have anyone else
short spindle
Can you like make an emergency signing?
robust grotto
Maybe he’ll play well for once
we’re easily the least creative team in the top half of the table. Even Wolves offer more
robust grotto
I promise you it’s game bro
I would be shocked if west ham even get a shot on net in these last 10
short spindle
It's Arsenal you never know
robust grotto
Lmao fair
sweet tree
loooool
robust grotto
I’m just negative as fuck
sweet tree
arteta dkmmmm
short spindle
Out of topic but this is my prediction
MAN BRINGS ON NKETIAH
Every time I see Nketiah I recoil
sweet tree
esrrrrr
short spindle
Smith Rowe>Gallagher
burnt cedar
Smith Rowe>Gallagher
Better than Mount as well
haughty moss
dim kettle
chilly flare
They would owe him big money if they fired him after only the first year wouldnt they ?
smoky fable
He needs to get fired
On a related note, If Dabo leaves for the Nfl for the raiders job, he’ll fail too.
celest zephyr
@rustic mountain Chiefs for thursday
celest zephyr
They would owe him big money if they fired him after only the first year wouldnt...
honestly if they kept urban for 10 years the entire organization would probably fall apart by then
rustic mountain
Thanks
smoky fable
Just curious, but who do you like the most out of this wide receiver draft class? @rustic mountain
If you got a name
rustic mountain
I haven't looked at the class at all
I don't usually look til after my season is over
It let's me enjoy the year for what it is and then see what's really available when the time comes
chilly flare
honestly if they kept urban for 10 years the entire organization would probably ...
That organization wouldn’t last 5 years with him 😂
haughty moss
They would owe him big money if they fired him after only the first year wouldnt...
most likely yeah but if this stuff continues to build might have to just bite the bullet
@rustic mountain Chiefs for me as well
smoky fable
It let's me enjoy the year for what it is and then see what's really available w...
I’d recommend a Penn State guy in Jahan Dotson or Drake London USC.
Jameson Williams will probably go higher than when the Pats pick
celest zephyr
looking like they will
the jaguars are a bad organization but this is days of our steelers level of bad
smoky fable
the jaguars are a bad organization but this is days of our steelers level of bad
They need to can Trent Baalke too. He isn’t good. At all
dim kettle
the jaguars are a bad organization but this is days of our steelers level of bad
Sacksonville Abbey Season 2 confirmed?
smoky fable
Featuring Urban Meyer, Shad Khan, Trent Baalke.
Also, looking at some Jets clips, Mike Lafleur is not the issue for them. Wilson isn’t playing up to par, missing the easy ones. @dim kettle
dim kettle
Never blamed the coaches. The talent just isn't there and it's making Wilson missing screen, 5 yard passes for one game worse.
No QB with the talent the Jets have is gonna succeed in that offense. Tom Brady his last year played with little talent on the offense and 2 teams only offered him contracts as a result.
smoky fable
At this point, you expect a certain level from these qbs
smoky fable
No QB with the talent the Jets have is gonna succeed in that offense. Tom Brady ...
To your earlier point, you advocated for them to start. Well, they have to show progression. Can’t continue to blame the talent around them. Brady wanted to go to a contender, so that point seems moot.
celest zephyr
and pretty much every rookie other than mac has fallen far below that
wilson isn't doing well but considering how bad the others have been doing its par for the course
some of lance's throws make me feel like he thinks feet are hands
smoky fable
You can’t make the mistake in keeping rookie qbs for too long like Darnold and Daniel Jones
celest zephyr
its the risk with draft picks
sometimes you hope it pans out until it becomes painful obvious that it hasn't
not every team can pull an arizona and dump off a top draft pick at qb for another one
smoky fable
not every team can pull an arizona and dump off a top draft pick at qb for anoth...
Team has to be willing to dump the qb though if the opportunity is there.
dim kettle
To your earlier point, you advocated for them to start. Well, they have to show...
Well, one, no matter how bad he plays his first year, that's learning experience for both the QB and team and two, we sure love talking about the mistakes like his inability to throw these simple passes while we never talk about the throws he makes that get dropped. Obviously, you're not gonna gonna see a lot of great throws when a receiver like Mims is getting benched for the rest of the game because he screw the offense from getting more than a FG.
smoky fable
Mims wasn’t get much playing time there
dim kettle
Because he got benched for causing 2 penalties back to back
smoky fable
Even before that he was getting inconsistent playing time
dim kettle
He was his number one receiver that game. Don't you know his 2 "starting" receivers were injured? Should that be an indicator of the lack of talent that team has? Like you're not wrong. Wilson is struggling with simple football throws. Lot to improve on. But the fact that we're expecting him and T-Law to show anything, on two rosters that combined for 3 wins last year is just insane. We can call them disappointing rookie seasons, but to call them busts off the bat is just nonsense.
smoky fable
I know they’re hurt. Their best running back in Micheal carter is out as welll
dim kettle
Like, Luck at least had Reggie Wayne, Winston had Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson on both sides, Herbert had shit ton of talent to help him last year. At some point, we need to go back to tape and see how many of these "could of" throws were dropped. Because I'm very interested to see the number.
The Jets and Jags are very rare for bad teams with rookie QBs. Because unlike other teams that have gotten the first 3 picks in the draft in the past, the two teams were gutted on the offensive side of the ball. Even the 0-16 Lions had Calvin Johnson when they drafted Stafford. The Jags have James Robinson that's about it. And the Jets have no one.
chilly flare
It could also be said that Urban is not putting the little talent the jags have in the best position to win/play well
Twitter
I mean come on
dim kettle
Oh, I definitely think the Jags and T-Law are being used wrong by Urban. Heck, Justin Fields was screwed by Numbskull Nagy from the start.
celest zephyr
lance too
chilly flare
Nagy really making it his mission to kill fields out there
celest zephyr
either a complete and utter gimmick player or fuck it he can be our running back
dim kettle
IDK how you can judge a QB like Fields when the schemes he's given are small routes that take forever to develop. And this is coming from someone who had a lot of concerns for him going into that draft.
celest zephyr
Nagy acting like he's going to lose his job anyways
he also at some point was barely running the ball
chilly flare
Lance had a little over 300 pass attempts in his entire college career. His potential upside years down the road clouded the reality that he has A LOT to work on
dim kettle
But for the Jets, it's combination of Wilson and a lot to do with the talent around him. Because I saw enough dropped passes thrown by him to say, he's getting too much hate.
celest zephyr
i know he does
its a miracle if the pass actually hits the guy's hands
let alone with the right amount of touch
chilly flare
I think Fields would have been a massive win for the 49ers
dim kettle
People were saying similar things about Josh Allen in 2018. He didn't have talent either.
celest zephyr
fields yeah at least they'd be playing him over jimmy g
lance has got to play to know if he's any good
dim kettle
Someone as raw and looking to improve like Lance should be starting so the team can pick up what he can improve on. Because what he does in practice squads and what he does on game day are two different things. Kyle is being a moron for not using him rn.
chilly flare
I think Lance being such a work in progress would benefit from a ‘redshirt’ season
dim kettle
In the workplace they always tell you you learn best from hands on experience. If this was a second round pick it's one thing to redshirt him. But this is a first round pick you traded up to get. Cut the bulllshit and start him.
celest zephyr
i've just really disliked how he's been used when he's on the field so honestly i wouldn't hate it
chilly flare
And with jimmy G playing well in recent weeks and the 49ers being in the playoff hunt Kyle probably also weighing that looks a lot better for his job security than having 3 wins rn
celest zephyr
i'd rather get 3 wins rn then get 3 wins next year
and only then figure out if lance is even worth anything
dim kettle
You drafted the QB with a high draft pick because you knew Jimmy Garbage isn't the guy. If he was, he would've handle his business in the SB a few years ago, period.
chilly flare
In the workplace they always tell you you learn best from hands on experience. I...
I absolutely get it. Trading up in general to draft him was a mistake and wasted so much draft capital. But I think they want this to be a long term project while also remaining competitive in the meantime
celest zephyr
that's just not how it works lol
lance needs reps bad
he'll in all likelihood need like 2 years of playing to even be decent
dim kettle
The problem is, you want to get every advantage of that rookie contract he has to see if he's the guy. Raw talent needs the game day experience to develop more than any other QB drafted with a high pick.
Here we're in a situation where the Niners aren't even that great. What? You're hoping to sneak into the 7th seed and get jobbed by the Bucs or Packers in the first, second round? Like, it's the same when Dalton was the starter for the Bears, every win that JImmy G has as a starter in 2021 is meaningless, he's not the future, Lance is.
chilly flare
He is such a young QB. In age and in overall experience. I don’t blame them by taking it slow and trying to get him up to speed on the mental aspect, schematics, etc… before throwing him into the fire and possibly ruining his confidence among other things. My guy played ONE full season at the FCS level with barely 300 pass attempts. IMO I don’t think it is the worst idea to try to get him up to speed this year and go into next season in a QB competition
chilly flare
The problem is, you want to get every advantage of that rookie contract he has t...
That rookie contract is a very good point
celest zephyr
its true for other sports also
chilly flare
I wonder how he looks in practice
celest zephyr
teams now want to win when they don't have to pay young guys what they deserve
dim kettle
That myth that a rookie QB is gonna ruin his confidence because he was thrown in too early. Look, the things like getting hurt, having his confidence ruin, etc could happen his rookie year, it could also happen his 7th year. The point is, it doesn't matter, Speed on the mental aspect, schematics, etc, he's only gonna learn that best by playing.
Because you also have to see how he handles adversity.
Like, it's one thing he was behind Matt Ryan. Because it's Matt Ryan, former MVP, can still play. But Lance is behind Jimmy G, like cmon.
chilly flare
I guess we won’t know fully until next year
But I don’t think they are handling it as poorly as y’all do
chilly flare
Like, it's one thing he was behind Matt Ryan. Because it's Matt Ryan, former MVP...
Very good point
All of this could have been avoided if they drafted fields
celest zephyr
why i've mentioned or at least thought that lance under matt ryan would be scary
dim kettle
We see what's happening with Miami with Tua early on this year. It's because that organization had Tua benched then start, then benched again his rookie year, they didn't truly know what they had in Tua and they're still figuring it because Flores and Grier are fools.
celest zephyr
Tua's a decent qb at this point
dim kettle
Tua is showing it now, but it should've been much sooner, but since the coaching kept playing hot potato with him last year going into this year, here we are.
chilly flare
That Miami O line is historically bad
celest zephyr
people saw mahomes work out and then went like its going to work for everyone
chilly flare
The fact he has played as well as he has is pretty incredible
celest zephyr
sure mahomes said he benefited from it but some guys develop better once they play
smoky fable
https://tenor.com/view/patrickkicking-patrickkick-patrickfunny-patrick-spongebobkicking-gif-18165246
Urban meyer
celest zephyr
i'd die of laughing if urban kicked a field goal
chilly flare
people saw mahomes work out and then went like its going to work for everyone
Both talented physically, went to very good offensive minded coaches, good roster. I don’t blame them for trying. The difference is Mahomes threw a billion passes in college at a power 5 school
dim kettle
The Dolphins and bad O-Line has been the Dolphins thing for almost 15 years now. It's a meme at this point. It didn't help Tannehill, it's not helping Tua. They have to do something about that.
smoky fable
Both talented physically, went to very good offensive minded coaches, good roste...
sitting I think helped him as well for that year behind Smith.
chilly flare
sure mahomes said he benefited from it but some guys develop better once they pl...
I agree. I would like to know how he looks in practice. If Lance is sucking it up in practice then that would also explain the ‘redshirt’ year
celest zephyr
meh they won so much right after that it's became a moot point
dim kettle
If Mahomes had a MVP like season for the Chiefs in 2018. He could've easily done it in 2017.
celest zephyr
idk man mahomes wasn't ready right away
maybe he would have been that good to the end of the season but not at the start
chilly flare
The Dolphins and bad O-Line has been the Dolphins thing for almost 15 years now....
I think the dolphins were on pace to have the most pressures allowed in a season. And that is with Tua getting rid of the ball fast
smoky fable
And it was evident since Smith started that year
celest zephyr
like guys still need to develop before they can play
dim kettle
We had the same amount of questions for Mahomes his second year as his rookie year.
celest zephyr
it helps them prepare for the game
and he proved them wrong with his play quickly after
chilly flare
We had the same amount of questions for Mahomes his second year as his rookie ye...
WE did. I don’t think the Chiefs did because they shipped Smith lol
celest zephyr
but from what mahomes did in his one game he played that season i doubt he'd have been a superstar right away
dim kettle
Remember that same year. The Texans had Tom Savage start over Watson that first game and had to bench him immediately in the middle of the game. Man, do you look like a clown for doing that.
dim kettle
WE did. I don’t think the Chiefs did because they shipped Smith lol
I bet coaching did too. Only this time they weren't chicken shit about it.
dim kettle
If Smith could thrived that season, a rookie Mahomes could've done the same and much more. Again, if one year on the bench could make a QB a MVP, then you have to imagine how big he could've been his rookie year.
chilly flare
I doubt the Chiefs have any regrets
smoky fable
nope
dim kettle
In the last 20 years, how many of these first round QB draft picks who were benched their first year benefitted from it. Rodgers? He was only benched because Favre was still there, Palmer? He could've easily been better than any QB the Bengals had that season. Even Stafford started for a Lions team that went 0-16 started day one. Because I'm pretty sure Rex Grossman, and Brady Quinn sure learned a lot from being benched their first year.
rustic mountain
The main reason why everyone wants to do the bench a rookie thing is Rodgers
Because I can't think of anyone else who benefitted from it
dim kettle
Without the context of why it worked of course
rustic mountain
Absolutely
@dim ledge @simple seal @honest umbra @robust grotto @dim kettle @chilly flare @warm kestrel A reminder for at least the Thursday picks, LAC VS KC. As a reminder: there are also two Saturday games, CLE VS LV, IND VS NE
dim kettle
@rustic mountain I'll be picking the Chiefs for TNF.
haughty moss
oh yeah there is saturday games lol
dim kettle
Think it's a big game for them.
simple seal
dim kettle
Looks like we'll be calling the Raiders and Browns game the Covid Bowl at this rate.
You notice it's always teams like the Browns and Broncos, etc that get the worst luck with cases?
smoky fable
I'll pick Cleveland and the Pats for Saturday @rustic mountain
I wanted to pick the Colts, but decided against it.
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ/status/1471273657406308353?s=20
It's time to see the Warriors dominate the league.... again
chilly flare
@rustic mountain can I make my TNF pick tomorrow before the game or does it have to be today?
rustic mountain
As long as it is before the game kicks off
chilly flare
Bet
warm kestrel
@rustic mountain Chiefs, Browns, and Patriots
rustic mountain
dim ledge
@rustic mountain Kansas City, Las Vegas, New England
celest zephyr
@rustic mountain Browns, New England
celest zephyr
man the nuggets are really jokic and bums
jokic has a triple double and they are losing by 20
maybe bums is too far but damn this team sucks outside of him
like they put out whatever this is as a lineup
haughty moss
Lol lousy
chilly flare
Slightly surprised he didn’t last the full season lol
chilly flare
Really don’t care to see him coach anywhere again
rustic ore
At least TLaw might now be saved
But they’re still keeping Baalke as GM which is kinda…
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1471354190714789891
Expected it. A jags guy said to expect news, and there it is
smoky fable
But they’re still keeping Baalke as GM which is kinda…
They’re screwed with him
rustic ore
If it’s happening now with like a month left in the regular season that must mean what we heard was true
honest umbra
What did we hear
rustic ore
Surprised Khan had the stones to admit his mistake and rip the bandaid off so soon, man finally might be learning as an owner
rustic ore
What did we hear
The rumors coming out that Urban believes he was hot shit, throwing his assistants under the bus and whatnot
smoky fable
If it’s happening now with like a month left in the regular season that must mea...
This might have been one of the worst head coaching hires
In the history of the league
rustic ore
Oh 100%
dim kettle
Definitely up there with the Bobby Petrino hiring
rustic ore
Was about to mention Petrino
smoky fable
Petrino won more games
dim kettle
Now he'll be another HC used in the narrative that you shouldn't hire college HCs when in reality it's as much as a gamble as hiring a coordinator.
rustic ore
Curious who the next guy will be