Oh wait, NL Least
#sports
dim kettle
robust grotto
NFC least
smoky fable
Oh wait, NL Least
Seems familiar
dim kettle
And both happen to have New York and Philadelphia teams.
dim kettle
This happens so often I'm surprised they don't sell Mets Misery Today Calendars at the team's gift shop.
robust grotto
That unironically would sell well
dim kettle
"The Mets. We aren't the Knicks Again."
robust grotto
Who’s the biggest NY joke to you
not short on candidates
I’m also an RBNY fan and let me tell you ….. that fucking team man
Least amount of ambition imagine
dim kettle
Right now? If this was a year ago i would've picked the Jets. But now, it would be the Knicks. Mainly because of James Dolan and you never know with that team.
The Rangers are a joke rn. But that's mainly stuff off the ice.
dim kettle
I don't know shit about Soccer of any kind. Oh, (I used that dirty word that people outside of North America here would cringe at).
robust grotto
nah you’re good when talking about MLS
smoky fable
Speaking of football, do you have any idea who comes out of the NFC Least?
@dim kettle
robust grotto
Dude they are awful. Original MLS team, not a single cup. Last 5 years have been so ambitionless. They are a feeder for Red Bull clubs in Europe. They don’t care about the NY team and it stinks
dim kettle
IDK about the Jets this year. They got my favorite QB in the draft this year and are out of the hand of Crackhead Gase.
dim kettle
Speaking of football, do you have any idea who comes out of the NFC Least?
Maybe the Cowboys. But I could also see Washington make another round.
smoky fable
Maybe the Cowboys. But I could also see Washington make another round.
No hope for the Eagles and Giants then huh
if you can combine the Cowboys offense with Washington's defense, they are a genuine playoff team.
dim kettle
Quite frankly, I think both teams are overrated with a lot of question marks that need to be answered.
The Giants offense is still quite offensive.
smoky fable
Quite frankly, I think both teams are overrated with a lot of question marks tha...
they're overrated? I thought they're expected not to do much, and just coast in an easy division.
robust grotto
Cautiously optimistic about the giants tbh, their defense is nice but they need to show they can score points this season
smoky fable
I like Patrick Graham.
robust grotto
I think the eagles are the worst of the bunch
smoky fable
But I don't trust the Giants at all
robust grotto
On paper the offense looks better but it’s paper
Jones, Barkley, Golloday, Shepard, Slayton, Toney, John Ross, Engram
dim kettle
Dave Gettleman should've been fired last season. The dude drafted a good backup QB with a top 10 pick. And also traded their generational talent at receiver for peanuts.
robust grotto
BUT, and it doesn’t make up for shit, he’s found nice FAs for the team
dim kettle
I still remember my Giant fan buds call me crazy about me having a heart on for Josh Allen. "Oh, Josh is too raw!" "Josh Allen won't ever have the talent of Barkely!" They all said.
smoky fable
I don't trust the qb on the Giants
robust grotto
Allen was probably the pick he should have taken there
yup
smoky fable
I still remember my Giant fan buds call me crazy about me having a heart on for ...
They were justifying it, since it was basically telegraphed that Gettleman would take him.
It was that obvious.
robust grotto
Barkley will be the last RB picked top 3 for a long time
smoky fable
I still think he's a great running back though
Injuries just screwed him
But, that position has a lot of injuries so hard to defend.
robust grotto
Yeah man. injuries screw up 80% of RBs in the end
dim kettle
There has only been two QBs in my life I ever had a heart on for in college. Andrew Luck and Josh Allen.
robust grotto
It’s tough
smoky fable
There has only been two QBs in my life I ever had a heart on for in college. And...
Trevor Lawrence?
Patrick Mahomes?
Those two were ones that I was heavy on
dim kettle
Zach Wilson is the better QB in this year class IMO.
smoky fable
I will agree to disagree.
dim kettle
Those two were ones that I was heavy on
Mahomes was a boom or bust prospect when he was drafted.
smoky fable
Mahomes was a boom or bust prospect when he was drafted.
My eyes were set on him when he played against LSU in that bowl game and played well
robust grotto
would you say you have more faith in the Jets having a good season than the Giants
dim kettle
With the Jets who knows?
smoky fable
and Joe Douglas more than the Giants
dim kettle
I'm surprised they now have the longest playoff drought in the NFL.
robust grotto
With the Jets who knows?
it really is fun following them each season
dim kettle
Most of my family are Jet fans. Literally my Dad is always jaded with them by November. 
robust grotto
LMAO
You know it’s going to be GG before the game happens. They always lose that game they should win
dim kettle
That week 17 loss in 2015 still makes me laugh.
dim kettle
And then I got the karma of having to see Fitzception in the red and pewter.
robust grotto
Jets games are better to go as well imo
dim kettle
That's because everyone get's drunk before the game starts.
robust grotto
Giants games are more quiet, older crowd usually. People on edge for the most part
And yeah exactly. I’m just saying for anyone who wouldn’t know lol
smoky fable
That week 17 loss in 2015 still makes me laugh.
losing to Rex Ryan...ouch
dim kettle
Bucs games. We're just more apathetic more than anything.
robust grotto
I was supposed to go to Amalie last year btw
Last March., NYR - TBL. Had a whole road trip planned. First DC then TB then FLA
dim kettle
I remember watching a The Hockey Guy vid and he asked why the Bolts fans wouldn't be yelling we want the cup and not have the same energy as Isle fans. Well, it's because we react differently then others. Doesn't mean we're not into it.
robust grotto
Word well said
dim kettle
I heard the same with Buc fans. Clearly people never tune to Bucs Post game shows on Tampa sports radio.
dim kettle
When Famous Jameis was still on the team. There were Bucs fans who would rip him to shit on the radio.
smoky fable
When Famous Jameis was still on the team. There were Bucs fans who would rip him...
probably drunk too
do you have any funny lines that they'd say?
honest umbra
dim kettle
do you have any funny lines that they'd say?
No, nothing too extreme. It used to be reasons why Dirk should be fired or why the game lost was Winston's fault.
smoky fable
No, nothing too extreme. It used to be reasons why Dirk should be fired or why t...
Did they ever say to fire Jason Licht?
dim kettle
Licht too, yeah
smoky fable
I thought as much
I really don't see anyone challenging the Bucs in the NFC
Maybe the Rams or Packers?
Or siren's favorite team the Bears.
dim kettle
I look at the Bucs as a season to season type of team. I'm not predicting anything with them until it begins.
smoky fable
fair enough
dim kettle
Or siren's favorite team the Bears.
smoky fable
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speaking of the bears, I'm surprised you'd put Wilson over Lawrence. I thought you had Fields as your top qb?
dim kettle
I will say this though. Yeah Lawrence is the consistent, perfect generational QB that all the scouts drool over. But can he throw a 50 yard dime fading away left to the opposite hash? No, he can't.
smoky fable
That's until I looked at his film.
you watch film?
smoky fable
I will say this though. Yeah Lawrence is the consistent, perfect generational Q...
are you sure? and is that really a definite sign of a good qb?
dim kettle
Lawrence has accuracy problems IMO.
smoky fable
.... what
smoky fable
Plays with anger. Size and power helps him too.
smoky fable
aaron donald is such an angry dude lol
oh, how did you say to embed the twitter clips again to play? Forgot about that.
proud coyote
fx before the link
smoky fable
thanks
proud coyote
dim kettle
.... what
You know what makes Drew Bress special? He can throw the perfect dimes to his receivers no matter the situation. Lawrence has some trouble with that. He can throw to the area but he can't get it to his receivers in tight spots more times than not.
smoky fable
You know what makes Drew Bress special? He can throw the perfect dimes to his re...
how many games did you see that in.
because I've never seen that issue pop up when reading analysis about him from draft guys, nor did I see that be the case in any of the games he played.
dim kettle
I think fairly in almost every game I saw from him. His ball placement could be better.
Any game from 2020.
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Speaking of that practice, apparently the Rams defense is being pushed around by the Cowboys offense.
Also, I would draft Lamb if I were doing fantasy football.
dim kettle
No doubts about the Boys offense. The defense is another story.
And then you have Denny's Menu McCarthy as HC.
smoky fable
And then you have Denny's Menu McCarthy as HC.
Also it speaks to the Rams side in your favorite coach Raheem morris
dim kettle
He's not HC of the Bucs anymore. I could sit back and laugh.
smoky fable
I think fairly in almost every game I saw from him. His ball placement could be ...
but in seriousness, you think that deficiency of Lawrence that you observe puts him below Wilson with his supposed question marks?
smoky fable
lets see how it works out for him
gallup probably benefits.
dim kettle
but in seriousness, you think that deficiency of Lawrence that you observe puts ...
I don't think you understand. There isn't a big gap between Wilson and Lawrence. They're both very close to each other. I just think Wilson is slightly better rn.
Another thing I will add though is how is Lawrence gonna handle adversity? I mean he had little of that being in Clemson.
left shore
Oh
honest umbra
to the lions
left shore
Yeahhh
honest umbra
aka much better QB
dim kettle
This year will be interesting for Stafford.
dim kettle
I used to call him Statford. Because there was more times than not that I thought he was padding his stats at garbage time.
left shore
Ryan Tanehill turn around
left shore
You know with the NFL. Teams just love to ride the trends.
smoky fable
I think he was a better qb than tannehill at that time , and he’s going to McVay as well with that offense
dim kettle
Two things that needs to be seen is, 1: Is he gonna be the QB as advertised and 2, will he stay healthy long enough for that to matter?
smoky fable
Thumbs already been damaged
dim kettle
They're already afraid of having him play pre season games. Always a good sign, right?
honest umbra
Stafford without thumbs is still better than goff
dim kettle
Poor Goff is gonna be so fucked this year.
smoky fable
Stafford without thumbs is still better than goff
Goff without thumbs was also good enough to beat Seattle with that defense
Even after Wolford got knocked out
dim kettle
At this point, I think Detroit fans care about the Pistons more rn.
smoky fable
Poor Goff is gonna be so fucked this year.
Least he’s getting paid
smoky fable
At this point, I think Detroit fans care about the Pistons more rn.
Number one pick, and their franchise had some key moments in history
dim kettle
He's getting paid in one of the worst cites in the US.
left shore
Rams OL also not as good at it was right.
smoky fable
yeah they've got question marks
dim kettle
Nelson Cruz is a stud!
haughty moss
Main card for UFC should be good tonight
simple seal
Cruz hates the O's lol
left shore
You guys wanna start a fantasy league?
honest umbra
Yea
proud coyote
yahoo's is the best
rustic ore
are those the baltimore announcers?
No that's just normal Bally Sports
They're terrible
proud coyote
so they're your local guys?
jesus christ
it's like the guy was looking at a piece of paper and didn't even see the homerun
dim kettle
it's like the guy was looking at a piece of paper and didn't even see the homeru...
Lowe just hit a grand slam before that hit. So it came out of nowhere basically.
rustic ore
I'm not sure if they're local tbh
dim kettle
Yes.
rustic ore
Oh no
That's Andy and what's his face
If you're asking about like team announcers like for our radio
If you're asking for local airings on TV then I'm pretty sure yes
dim kettle
Our tv guys are Dewayne Staats and Brian Anderson
rustic ore
Dave Wills and Andy Freed are a great duo for our radio team
smoky fable
Dave Wills and Andy Freed are a great duo for our radio team
feel like you like the radio more than the tv guys
rustic ore
Leagues more
smoky fable
makes sense
haughty moss
Main card time
celest zephyr
dim kettle
The O's are just going full on meltdown rn.
dim kettle
smoky fable
giants seem to be on a roll
celest zephyr
We ballin with 1/4 of their population 😎😎
This is exactly how people talk now
Man wilt had no comp😭
dim kettle
They had to change the rules because of him. The dude was like a living cheat code in his time.
smoky fable
They had to change the rules because of him. The dude was like a living cheat co...
freak of nature
haughty moss
This is exactly how people talk now
Lol this hilarious
smoky fable
He always did that though.
haughty moss
Showbiz >>>
warm kestrel
The United States have finished the 2020 Summer Olympics with the most medals as well as the most golds, silvers, and bronzes.
thorn tartan
Went pass china on he last day xD
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Good thing the Colts have been saving up money, cause dude is gonna get paid
Considering Warner just got 5 for 95 I’d be stunned if Leonard doesn’t get that or even a bit more. Young players are well known for getting into pissing matches with other players at their position when it comes to contract extensions.
proud coyote
leanord definitely would lol
he got pissed that AR said Warner was the best in the game
rustic ore
I'm not even a soccer fan and that makes me sad
Whether it's retirement or a great player leaving a franchise he or she has played with for years on end, hurts all the same
restive sundial
dull sedge
hidden rampart
torn crest
what hurts more is that the last game he played was that dreadful loss against celta
in an empty stadium
fuck bartomeu and his board
pliant remnant
pliant remnant
And the summer Olympics are over now
restive sundial
Already done to psg
sweet tree
pliant remnant
Will watch the Paralympics in two weeks 
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fiery grotto
And then there was 2...
sweet tree
goated team, take me back 😔
atomic hound
goated team, take me back 😔
both madrid and barca has lost their golden team
dim kettle
smoky fable
Hmmm
rustic ore
https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1424362449738870790?s=19
https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1424363671434801163?s=19
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dim kettle
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dim kettle
BRETT PHILLIPS
FUCKING HOW!?
simple seal
I stg he does something in every clutch chance he gets lol
simple seal
Not even Wacha can save the O's it seems
left shore
Playoff in the FedEx ST Jude tournament
simple seal
Jankees lost too
dim kettle
7-0 already in the 2nd inning. The Cubs are dead.
pliant remnant
Looking really forward for the Paris Olympics with break dancing and how they will involve the city with the games as they planned
Also the presentation of Paris in the closing ceremony was nice with the the French astronaut playing the sax of the anthem
dim ledge
Man....
Y'all know damn well I'm a Liverpool fan but I love Messi so much. It's still unreal that he's leaving Barcelona. Legit that's their entire identity pretty much since I started following, gone
I really feel for you Barcelona boys. Truly. Shitty situation to be in, Messi clearly loves the club and the fans and they both love him back. Everyone, even 13 year old Ronaldo twitter stans know he deserves better. End of an era. Much love for you guys
Easily, handily the best player of this generation. Top 3 OAT for me.
atomic hound
Y'all know damn well I'm a Liverpool fan but I love Messi so much. It's still un...
i am also a liverpool fan . any idea for transfer market , who they are going for ??
dim kettle
dim ledge
i am also a liverpool fan . any idea for transfer market , who they are going fo...
We've had rumours and links all summer. Renato Sanches, Saul Niguez, Adama Traoré, Dusan Vlahovic are the names I heard us linked with more than three times, but I cannot provide anything besides that saying we're linked. Imo we will sign someone in the coming days. Just unsure when
dim ledge
Barstool broadcasting MLB games
There are very few things I hate more than barstool sports
robust grotto
not really sure why they chose barstool outside of hoping to get younger viewers
but it’s not like barstool has their streaming service, if I remember right, they just use YouTube which MLB already streams games on ??? So the only thing I can think of with Barstool is that they’ll have their own guys calling the games ?? Very strange matchup
I’m not a total barstool hater. There’s actually like a solid 4 or 5 batch of creators that are hilarious. but for live games ??? I’m not really sure about all this. I doubt this is going to end well lmaoo
dim kettle
It's modern MLB. None of their decisions ever ends well for them from a fan standpoint.
I wish Manfred would just fuck off in general.
robust grotto
yeah I guess. This is total desperation to get new viewers
…. which won’t happen lmfao
dim kettle
It's funny that the MLB is so desperate for new viewers. Yet they don't do the simple things like actually promote their young stars.
robust grotto
Yup, how many non casuals even know about Trout’s existence
dim kettle
Trout, Jiménez, Yelich, Seager. Just to name a few. More people should know who the fuck they are.
robust grotto
NHL has that issue too
dim kettle
Well, in America at least.
robust grotto
ofc that’s what I mean
smoky fable
Ohtani.
dim kettle
But that's also because there's not that many individual personalities in hockey compared to much sports.
robust grotto
Hockey players don’t give a shit and I kinda love it tbh
But I’m all for the Subban’s to embrace the light too. Goes both ways
and yeah Ohtani, Tim Anderson
list goes on an on
dim kettle
Timmy Anderson should be one of the faces of the MLB. But only White Sox fans like myself actually know that.
robust grotto
No one has more drip in the league than Andersson
swag. Whatever word you want to use
smoky fable
That was Burrow's pick.
I don't think it'll keep him healthy though just from seeing that line.
It's awful
smoky fable
It's not like separation was the dude's strength anyways.
It's still concerning to hear though. It was an issue in college and looks like they're not happy with his progress.
dim kettle
Burrow clearly wanted Chase more than an OL. Even then, they did draft good OL talent in the draft.
Jackson Carman isn't bad by any means.
smoky fable
Jackson Carman isn't bad by any means.
Rookie OL need time
But that's not good enough. The AFC North has some pretty ferocious dlines.
dim kettle
So even if the Bengals drafted Sewell. The Bengals would still be fucked anyways.
smoky fable
So even if the Bengals drafted Sewell. The Bengals would still be fucked anyways...
yes
rustic ore
Jackson Carman isn't bad by any means.
Isn’t he going to Guard though?
Thought I heard that
dim kettle
That whole OL is fucked up.
rustic ore
Then again I think it was more so shots from the interior that were messing him up last year
Iirc
smoky fable
Then again I think it was more so shots from the interior that were messing him ...
they got a lot of flak if I recall
dim kettle
Another thing is, did Chase even play any games in 2020?
smoky fable
he sat out
smoky fable
Another thing is, did Chase even play any games in 2020?
no
haughty moss
Hasn’t played since the title game
dim kettle
Okay, so it's been almost 2 years since he's played along with getting used to a professional offense and system. And it's August 9th. We should have some concern but not a lot.
Although again, the dude had separation issues since college. IDK how the Bengals coaching staff expected so much more than advertised.
rustic ore
Simple, they’re a bad staff and their GM is senile Mike Brown
smoky fable
Simple, they’re a bad staff and their GM is senile Mike Brown
Cheapskate
dim kettle
Simple, they’re a bad staff and their GM is senile Mike Brown
Mike Brown was always bad. Even in his prime.
rustic ore
True
dim kettle
One point, he had the choice to pick Bill Cowher as HC. He decides to pick Dave fucking Shula.
And I know why. Because Mike Brown was always in the shadow of his Father just like Dave was always in the shadow of Don.
honest umbra
do u prefer espn, yahoo or nfl for fantasy football? @proud coyote
proud coyote
Yahoo
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smoky fable
16 years
dim kettle
The Sox won the WS that year too.
smoky fable
Getting bounced by the Astro’s?
dim kettle
Probably.
haughty moss
Nice
honest umbra
207 mill?
celest zephyr
yeah like 40 mil a year
smoky fable
Wow
haughty moss
he def wasn't passing that up
robust grotto
yeah like 40 mil a year
42 million more and you can pay for an one season of an entire NHL roster, to put into perspective
celest zephyr
wow that’s kinda wild lol
robust grotto
yup lmao. don’t be a hockey player if you want to be an athlete who makes money
BIG money I mean
dim kettle
haughty moss
Suggs looked rlly good in his first game
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smoky fable
Think the raptors might have ended up giving the Magic a gift
haughty moss
They did
Him and Mitchell basically picked up where they left off in college tonight
dim kettle
Florida gifted the Raptors an arena to play in during the pandemic last season so they gave us a stud in return.
celest zephyr
Think the raptors might have ended up giving the Magic a gift
Wouldn’t call one summer league game being enough
Plus Barnes was also good in his debut
Not saying Suggs isn’t good but I’d at least wait a season or longer to give any judgement on whether or not the raptors made the right choice
smoky fable
Not saying Suggs isn’t good but I’d at least wait a season or longer to give any...
Just a premature take over a summer league game.
You're right
But I feel strongly that he'll be good.
honest umbra
yea they do
smoky fable
They need someone like that
Need a guard since Lowry left
celest zephyr
they still have flynn
honest umbra
malachi?
celest zephyr
yeah
he's just a second year player
plus barnes can run the 1 also
if they don't believe in malachi
What’s up with Avery Bradley
surprised he still hasn’t been picked up
what's happening with him
honest umbra
still not signed
celest zephyr
huh
might be old then
lakers should scoop him up
they had him before i think
idk they have enough shooters now
and they were already one of the best defenses in the league
and kcp, kuzma and harell aren't known to be great defenders
or schroder
yeah maybe some other team then, bulls would be glad to up their defense
i mean we got zo so our backcourt defense has gotten a lot better
that extra push like bradley could help a ton
yeah he'd help with their defense
considering that they now have the pieces to go for a playoff push
dim ledge
Reading that Messi was made an offer by Barca at last minute
No reliable source though
restive sundial
native sonnet
Messi gone
atomic hound
Messi, neymar, mbappe
Man PSG is attack is lit.
I guess France leauge is going to be least interesting leauge
dim ledge
Messi, neymar, mbappe
Man PSG is attack is lit.
I guess France leauge is going...
This isn't a new development
dim ledge
sweet tree
that's sick
dim kettle
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native sonnet
A disgusting act.
dim kettle
I don't understand why both the NFL and NBA are so obsessed with trying to limit trash talking and taunting in general to such the smallest degree.
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/ben_baby/status/1425148510777847811?s=21
Thought they relaxed celebrations
Damn, can’t see that Tampa safety mock hill now
dim kettle
Damn, can’t see that Tampa safety mock hill now
The funny part is, Winfield got flagged on that play
smoky fable
I know
ancient dagger
dim kettle
Cursed. 
ancient dagger
Tech is really good. I can totally buy all of those being reality. haha
smoky fable
They looked real
ancient dagger
Kopi looks like Frasier. haha
haughty moss
Lol hella real
dim kettle
smoky fable
Look at that smirk
Never knew that
Smith has an mcl sprain apparently
Eagles bad luck
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Bateman too
dim kettle
smoky fable
You forgot Chargers choking
dim kettle
Hasn't happened yet.
smoky fable
It’s inevitable
smoky fable
It looks strange
celest zephyr
insane lol
sweet tree
same
honest umbra
yea
robust grotto
actually I think he looks really good in that darker blue
honest umbra
i like it too
psg kits are usually always the best
becuz theyre jordan sponsored
i wonder if their secondary kit is black this season?
robust grotto
The shorts are sick with that like pentagon pattern
honest umbra
it usually is and messi usually balls out
robust grotto
good for both of them
sweet tree
I like that kit
robust grotto
I’ll still root against them in UCL but it’s a nice move honestly. This ensures more years of Messi too. Not like PSG will need him each week to win the league
oh yeah, those are nice af
honest umbra
but tbf jordan comes up with 5 diff kits for PSG a year
robust grotto
that’s excessive lmao
robust grotto
$$$$
honest umbra
look stylish af
honest umbra
honestly saw our training kits and thought they were better
sweet tree
agreed
honest umbra
the shorts ruin the home, like wtf is going on
dim ledge
P happy w Liverpool so far
robust grotto
LFC have some of the best kits in PL this year IMP
dim ledge
Know our third will be a throwback to the yellow and red, just unsure of the actual design
robust grotto
Imo **
dim ledge
Ill give it to united on their away, lovely
robust grotto
you know who’s underwhelming?
wolves
And one that bothers me is how the Newcastle sponsor is so big that it creates his giant number 4, I literally can’t unsee it
that 4 !!
dim ledge
Dude
Lmao
Here I am looking for it then I found it
Wtf
It's not as bad if you focus on the sponsor
honest umbra
lmao
people were asking for nfl comparisons
and someone was like "literally happened last year, brady joined the bucs"
and i was like, thats so true lmao
for messi joining PSG
honest umbra
one thing id argue though is that brady kinda brought the talent with him whereas PSG already kinda had it
but they are the ones who will get their teams over the hump
legit GOATs switching teams
also would argue messi is a little bit more of a peak in his career but hes also younger
smoky fable
They always changed teams for different reasons
honest umbra
well not if it happened last summer
messi wanted to leave
but this szn, diff reasons yea
smoky fable
but this szn, diff reasons yea
Talking about this season compared to Bradys season when he left
Yeah
robust grotto
Hmmm you guys are right but I would say they both had one similarity with money playing a factor in both moving. Just in different ways, of course. But there are a bunch of differences too
Both wanted to stay but in Brady’s case, Belichik wanted to move on but the owner didn’t really want that
I also read that Brady’s wife was sick of winters in Boston, that played a factor
dim kettle
one thing id argue though is that brady kinda brought the talent with him wherea...
Well, you can argue the Bucs already had the talent. He brought AB later in the season and Gronk out of retirement but The Bucs talent was the main reason Brady came here.
smoky fable
Well, you can argue the Bucs already had the talent. He brought AB later in the ...
Arians also helped a bit
They had all of their defense in place already from signing and drafts
robust grotto
yeah definitely
smoky fable
Fournette also helped a bit
robust grotto
they literally only brought offensive weapons
smoky fable
Even with RoJo being in Arians dog house it seems
robust grotto
And the kicker too ???
smoky fable
Succop
robust grotto
true good call demo
dim kettle
Fournette also helped a bit
Fournette almost got cut before the post season if you can remember. He showed in the playoffs
smoky fable
Big time
robust grotto
yup playoff Lenny
robust grotto
Wtf
Lol ! It’s not the end of the world, but I’ll be noticing it all year now
@dim ledge I also dislike that Leeds away and Leicester home are practically the same kit
Everton away with the Peru style sash is yucky. Watford away looks like a glorified Belgium kit
dim ledge
Saw someone say spurs away is the best kit
robust grotto
Lol that’s edgy
Spurs away, I’ll give them credit for making a kit that’s a one off. No one has something similar
it’s not an eye sore but I wouldn’t buy it
robust grotto
Oh yeah
dim ledge
Gold lettering and trim
robust grotto
Dude I’m in
robust grotto
Newcastle away I’m in, good kit
robust grotto
Spurs mid away. Not the worst but not good either
Saints away stinks
Dude palace away is kinda nice, can’t lie
dim ledge
Bro did they release like those lists where it's everyone's home and away yet
Someone always does
robust grotto
Yeah I’m sure
robust grotto
Okay so right off the bat dude
Villa away is kinda sharp ??
brentford I feel bad for. I’m not sure they could’ve done anything special with the home. It’s their first PL season so they had to keep it clean. Away is zzzzz tho
robust grotto
LMFAO
dim ledge
Worst kits this season imo are spurs and chelsea (sorry juba)
robust grotto
yeah I don’t like any of the Chelsea 3 either
Ha… 3 ..
Palace away, the eagle pattern is tacky as fuck but I really like the red/blue striping and how the badge goes on that side.
dim ledge
Southampton third is cute
dim ledge
Black patterning is the footy pitches lol
dim ledge
Yeah nice purple
I'll say for me
Liverpool, Arsenal, United take the cake
Villa is nice
Really like Burnley's home
You know what
Throw Norwich in top 5
Theyve done great
robust grotto
Burnley may have the best homes of the claret teams this year
Okay I’m crying now tbh, I can’t believe I said it
and whilst I hate them, city did well
dim ledge
Yeah I'm sorry mate WHU have the worst homes of the clarets, but just BC the other two are brilliant
robust grotto
nah no hate. All good
dim ledge
And yeah city did fine. Absolutely abhor their thirds but the other two are good, away is great
robust grotto
if I buy any kit from WHU it’s probably the Argentina away
dim ledge
Going for a trifecta for LFC this season
Happy after I even begrudgingly bought the homes this past season
robust grotto
you should. They are my winners this year
dim ledge
Still waiting to see who I get for third, if we get a good signing or not...if not it will be Tsimi
Appreciate mate
@rustic mountain look at the Liverpool kits :)
rustic mountain
Show me lad
rustic mountain
I like the goal keeper's. Matches the grass
dim ledge
Also holy shit @robust grotto @dim kettle Esposito died :(
Honestly Sab I ain't crazy about our GK this season
This is the best we've had
But I like all 3 of our outfields this season
sweet tree
I like your guys away kit, something about collar kits look nice to me. the colors mesh well too
smoky fable
Good luck Boston
honest umbra
never bet on yourself
smoky fable
dude went from turning down 84 mill
Good for the Lakers though.
smoky fable
Buy outs will probably help
dim ledge
I like your guys away kit, something about collar kits look nice to me. the colo...
Thanks boss, agree the away is our best in a while and Def best this year for us
dim kettle
The Red Sox pitching is such a clown show rn.
rustic ore
dim kettle
Those Red Sox really thought they had the Rays number by not allowing a run in the 8th. They'd soon realize it was all a sham made by Kevin Cash to make the Sox look more like a clown show in the 9th.
rustic ore
Lowe having himself a night
I'll take an 8-4 lead anyday heading into the bottom of the 9th
dim kettle
I love a Red Sox collapse when it happens.
smoky fable
Is that Ji Man Choi?
dim kettle
Yes.
smoky fable
Love that man
dim kettle
The Red Sox had a 4-1 lead at one point. The Final Score is 8-4. 
smoky fable
The Red Sox had a 4-1 lead at one point. The Final Score is 8-4. <:LUL:321931602...
choked
atomic hound
But I like all 3 of our outfields this season
Yeah our kits are awesome ❤️
dim kettle
Twitter
honest umbra
https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/1425288758925144068?s=20
what about the giants?
wanton pumice
Who’s watching Summer Koshien here. 3run hr from ichinensei, Ren Ogata https://twitter.com/asahi_koshien/status/1425309630427582471?s=21
honest umbra
Who’s watching Summer Koshien here. 3run hr from ichinensei, Ren Ogata https://t...
absolutely insane
smoky fable
oh
proud coyote
giants won somehow lol
that game was fucking torture
that ending lmfao
what on earth
smoky fable
Dbacks find new ways to lose huh
honest umbra
Dbacks find new ways to lose huh
and giants find a way to win
those teams do what they do
left shore
I might go to a rays game this year
robust grotto
@dim ledge @dim kettle yeah dude Esposito had like 15 shutouts in his rookie year, which will never happen again. He was also part of the legendary 1972 Summit Series against the Soviets. Arguably some of the greatest hockey ever played
silk notch
He right lol
Arsenal in shambles they got no direction
Like people clown united but they atleast got a really solid team on paper cant say the same for arsenal
robust grotto
Arsenal had a decent end to the season, I thought things were getting better. Are you Arteta out because of tactics, transfers, or both ?
burnt cedar
He’s 100% right
burnt cedar
Arsenal had a decent end to the season, I thought things were getting better. Ar...
When nobody else around us had anything to play for
No point having a good end to the season when you waste the first 4 months
If West Ham had 1 win in 3 months you’d have want the manager to be sacked
Shouldn’t be getting that sort of leeway at a club like arsenal
Tactics - most negative manager in our history
Transfers - Ben White for 50m when you have Saliba?
Ramsdale for 35m and passing up on Onana for 7m
Keeping average players like Holding, Xhaka
Not to even mention players signed like Willian Runarsson Cedric Mari
This is how a mid table club operates
Not one trying to get top 4
silk notch
Yea arsenal is a mess arteta clearly cant change much
They just gotta move on from him
robust grotto
Word, I appreciate the feedback
the best time to sack him was midway thru last season
burnt cedar
the best time to sack him was midway thru last season
Will happen this season
And then we gotta wait for another manager to settle in
Then get rid of the signings arteta made
Endless cycle
robust grotto
especially with fans coming back… one bad spell and he’s going to hear it
it is an awful cycle. WHU isn’t too far away from that honestly. Albeit the expectations or vastly different between the two clubs
So I get you 100%
silk notch
Then get rid of the signings arteta made
And then it gets harder each year to sign cl quality player since arsenal keep getting worse and worse
So then arsenal just ends up settling for meh signings again lol
robust grotto
Nah I understand
The manager matters a lot too, like you guys have been saying . You can overachieve with meh signings. Not like Leicester was exactly filled with UCL players at the time the won the league
burnt cedar
And then it gets harder each year to sign cl quality player since arsenal keep g...
And then the good players we do have end up leaving us
Why would Saka and Esr give up their prime years to play for a team like this
robust grotto
Why would Saka and Esr give up their prime years to play for a team like this
$$$$$$$
burnt cedar
The clubs above us can offer that and trophies and Europe
robust grotto
Arsenal does have an advantage in being able to pay big wages
not trying to argue, you aren’t wrong lmaoo I’m just trying to get you off the ledge a little
ESR and Saka will get all the playing time at Arsenal rn too
Trophies tho… that I can’t debate
Bruuuuh wait I missed one part, you guys are getting Ramsdale ?? That’s awful
celest zephyr
Transfers - Ben White for 50m when you have Saliba?
Ramsdale for 35m and passing...
I think he is investing in the mentality of the players as well, saliba was involved in a scandal for french youth team, and onana had failed a drugs test, maybe arteta does not want a repeat of the atmosphere caused by troublemakers
Jurgen Klopp got rid of Sakho for a similar reason and bought virgil van dijk and liverpool thrived, similarly arsenal did well to get rid of/ put on loan mustafi, ozil, kolasinac, guendouzi, torreira and the likes there of
burnt cedar
Jurgen Klopp got rid of Sakho for a similar reason and bought virgil van dijk an...
Bought Virgil Van Dijk is the key thing there
Arteta is replacing so called “troublemakers” with players who may listen to him but have less talent
Is this how you run a football club?
celest zephyr
In a sense ye, a good club culture is more important than a bad influence for other players
burnt cedar
Also it’s a managers job to manage behaviour and egos
If you look at how much trouble rvp and Fabregas were at the age Saliba is
Are you telling me arteta would sell them?
celest zephyr
Maybe
burnt cedar
Talent outweighs behaviour for me if they’re still performing
Also it’s about even getting a chance
celest zephyr
Its the fergie hairdryer treatment
burnt cedar
What chance has Saliba had?
burnt cedar
A 19 year old who’s lost there parent moved to one of England’s biggest clubs for 30m doesn’t have a issue mentally imo
robust grotto
we also don’t know what happens behind closed doors in training. But I agree w Sencho that talent should outweigh behavior
burnt cedar
He may need guidance
celest zephyr
We haven't got rid of saliba yet
robust grotto
SHOULD though. Every case is different
celest zephyr
He's loaned to Marseille with no option to buy
celest zephyr
Arsenal may well be keeping record with and interacting with their players
While on loan
burnt cedar
What incentive does he have to renew
celest zephyr
And the future maybe Gabriel, Ben White and Saliba
burnt cedar
Fergie got rid of Beckham and Roy Keane for similar reasons
And replaced them with who
celest zephyr
Being loaned is not a bad thing
burnt cedar
Being loaned is not a bad thing
Being loaned after telling the media he will get a chance in pre season is
celest zephyr
It might be better for his development to stay in france while he is a teenager
burnt cedar
He didn’t feature once
burnt cedar
It might be better for his development to stay in france while he is a teenager
That’s true
But at least be clear with it
Artetas talent id hasn’t shown me he can identify good signings
So creating a good culture means nothing if the players are not good
On the pitch
celest zephyr
But if Arsenal do not manage to make Saliba sign an extension it is at a huge loss to the club
We have mismanaged the buying and selling of our players and fork out more while buying and do not have any leverage while selling our players or good players
For example I think with Ben white being bought for £50m we could have done better selling willock for £22m with addons
Or when Xhaka was in contention for selling we only requester 20m Euros
burnt cedar
For example I think with Ben white being bought for £50m we could have done bett...
Yep
Also holding on for players too long
Edu has to take a lot of fault in that
celest zephyr
This is ridiculous with Grealish valued at £100m and Maddiosn & Ben White apparently £60m and £50m
burnt cedar
Even if English players have a premium why are we shopping for them then?
Aouar would cost 25m
Yet we are not going for him this summer
Onana 7m over Ramsdale 35m
Identifying talent is just as much an issue
robust grotto
Dude that English kid playing for PSV looks decent, wonder why no one has went for him
Unrelated my bad lol
celest zephyr
Arsenal was once very good at balancing the books with Wenger since we moved to Emirates we didn't even spend as much as we sold. When we finally bought big for Ozil I thought we could recuparate that money or part of it with his sale but even that didn't happen, we paid so much for~~ ozil, mustafi~~, lacazette, pepe aubameyang and I'd hate if we have no return for them
celest zephyr
Yet we are not going for him this summer
Aouar £25m over maddison £60m anyday
burnt cedar
Aouar £25m over maddison £60m anyday
But as you’re saying club culture, Aouar will come with baggage
With his brother being his agent
celest zephyr
Onana 7m over Ramsdale 35m
This one is more contentious, but I also agree Onana would be better for value for price paid
burnt cedar
But as you’re saying club culture, Aouar will come with baggage
And then this is where I start to doubt that club culture matters
The best coaches out there can manage egos, behaviours and all issues
It’s better than getting rid and having so called teachers pets
celest zephyr
It matters when players think they are bigger and better for the club it ruins the morale and behavioor of the whole team
burnt cedar
It matters when players think they are bigger and better for the club it ruins t...
How many players playing for us have this mentality?
I would say none of them have shown signs of this
celest zephyr
But if Aouar is being bought and we treat him well I dont see how that could be bad for the club
robust grotto
both matter. club culture and having talent does matter. cause it’s like any other job, yeah you might be performing well but if your work place is toxic, it’ll get to you eventually
burnt cedar
But if Aouar is being bought and we treat him well I dont see how that could be ...
Guendouz and Saliba both have been treated unfairly regardless of how they’ve performed
celest zephyr
Ozil, Mustafi, Guendouzi, Torreira all of them had it maybe not publicly but they had this rebellious streak that cause disruptions within club culture
burnt cedar
both matter. club culture and having talent does matter. cause it’s like any oth...
And it’s the managers job to balance this
Not outweigh one of them
burnt cedar
Ozil, Mustafi, Guendouzi, Torreira all of them had it maybe not publicly but the...
Xhaka has had more things combined than most of them yet he’s seen as one the teams leaders
robust grotto
Yup ! beat me to it lol
burnt cedar
Torreira’s only issue was being homesick
Ozil when he did play was still good (not to his peak level but it was still better than what we have)
Pre lockdown he was one of our best performers
Guendouzi banished for standing up for Leno at Brighton
celest zephyr
When players dont undermine the manager and compromise the good intentions of other players then they are good, Xhaka had his conflict with the fans who were attacking him and his family not with the manager, in fact emery had him in such high-esteem that he made him captain, and he is also a leader under Arteta
burnt cedar
When players dont undermine the manager and compromise the good intentions of ot...
Flirting with Mourinho all summer and saying things like you know where I want to be is not only undermining the fans but also a manager who’s put faith in him
celest zephyr
True
burnt cedar
I don’t see any other players we have act like this currently
Lacazette has been linked away every summer yet we don’t hear comments like this
celest zephyr
You could roup Xhaka with them but Xhaka might still have a positive overall effect on the players and manager culture, Aubameyang also negotiated his contract in a similar way by delaying it and forcing an extention/ better deal
burnt cedar
Aubameyang for me is in the same position Ozil was in
Getting a big contract at the end of their best years
I’m fine with both getting paid as they’ve earned it at the end of the day
celest zephyr
Bad management
burnt cedar
But the team is not even been built around them
celest zephyr
In a sense
burnt cedar
Bad management
It’s defo this when you don’t ply to the strengths of them
Auba is still outwide why?
He is not a winger
We hardly create chances for him
It’s unfair on them but yes it’s bad management at the end of the day
Either sell or build around them
celest zephyr
Aubameyang had that season before his contract where he was scoring all of our goals, won golden boot, etc, ozil also was on a good vein of form before he signed his contract, but yeah its about when to sell before its too late
Tottenham came from nothing getting contracts for their best players and selling them, such as bale, son and harry kane
I hate to say it but we have to take a leaf from their book and other top clubs like liverpool when selling our players and when to give them contract extensions
burnt cedar
Aubameyang had that season before his contract where he was scoring all of our g...
And you can argue both deserved the contracts but then after that what did we do, Emery came in and had no intention of using Ozil and since Auba has resigned we’re playing him lw to accommodate lacazette who we’ve seen cannot work together as a pair
celest zephyr
They also did well to sell kyle walker and luka modric atleast getting some value back
Yeah arsenal is a mess
Lets just hope we have a good season
burnt cedar
Lets just hope we have a good season
More chance Luffy becomes pirate king in the next 12 months than Arsenal having a good season I’m afraid
robust grotto
I’ve seen a decent amount of people rate Arsenal going into this season for some reason
maybe no euro ball being a positive ?
celest zephyr
With how the other clubs are in the the big six including Leicester, West Ham and Aston Villa it is a good season even to get Europa league
burnt cedar
maybe no euro ball being a positive ?
Can be the only reason why
celest zephyr
How are realistically going to finish ahead of Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U
burnt cedar
We are not
robust grotto
no one will to be fair Volvi
burnt cedar
And making the signings we do is pushing us further away
robust grotto
damn bro this convo got me fucked up for you guys lmao
celest zephyr
Yeah we will be among tottenham west ham and aston villa unfortunately even in this season, Leicester I think will finish 5th
The refs hate us aswell
I hope we sign Laotaro Martinez for LW
celest zephyr
damn bro this convo got me fucked up for you guys lmao
Who do you support
celest zephyr
And making the signings we do is pushing us further away
Depressing
celest zephyr
Have you made any exciting signing this window
I just dont wish any club fall the way sheffield united fell off
robust grotto
no I’m pretty sure we’re the only team in the PL that didn’t make a single outfield signing
we signed Areola on loan, not one single outfield player so far… thinnest squad in the league and we have Europe. Only 1 senior striker on the squad in Antonio who is VERY injury prone
We are fucked tbh lmfao
celest zephyr
transfer deadline day is still 31st August
robust grotto
Yeah not all doom and gloom, that’s true. realistically have 2 or 3 bench options that are somewhat useful. Last season there were plenty of time where they had 2 GK on the bench just to fill out the squad, that’s how thin WHU is at the moment
celest zephyr
You have time, maybe you will not panic and make the right signings to take your club forward
robust grotto
I sense that’s Moyes’ plan. I don’t think he’s panicking at all, even though the fans def are
celest zephyr
Lingard was a good player for you last season if you can find a player in his mould that would be beneficial
And ofc a secondary striker
robust grotto
definitely. Benrahma has potential to be a beast this season for us, watch out for him
but the striker thing is a major concern. Only a matter of time until Antonio gets hurt. Bowen or Yarmolenko, I’d assume, is the back up plan
Bleh
celest zephyr
West Ham have Declan Rice, Soucek, Bowen, Coufal and Cresswell that are all amazing
robust grotto
honestly anything between an 8th to 12th place finish for me would be excellent
Thanks dude I dig the love! WHU have a team of mosquitoes. Maybe not the most talented bunch but they dig in and play hard
robust grotto
Trust me I want to be that hopeful but bc the squad is thin, I’m worried injuries may kill any momentum. Europe is going to be tough
celest zephyr
Leicester will probably finish 5th, unless they sell Tielemans
celest zephyr
Trust me I want to be that hopeful but bc the squad is thin, I’m worried injurie...
True, arsenal are playing out of Europe for the first time in ages, you need to have squad depth for those extra fixtures
Though while we are out of Europe, that may give us better results
robust grotto
very possible you guys have a better season bc of that alone. it’s “easier” when you can play your first team each weekend without worrying about a midweek game
Fun stuff lol
celest zephyr
Yeah I am excited for Friday
dim ledge
Talent outweighs behaviour for me if they’re still performing
Zlatan. Lol
Agree entirely. If a manager is basing who he employs as players around their behaviour and willingness to listen, it's an ego thing and he's using player personality as an excuse.
I was shocked when I heard Torreira and Guendouzi were being shipped out. I thought they were brilliant
Klopp didn't just get rid of Sakho just because he had a shit personality, he also had shit talent to go with it. Arteta going on about creating a "positive" club culture can go straight into the bin when the club is struggling to get a positive WDL
Arsenal absolutely have (or at least, had) the magnetism to attract big players, I think at this point allowing Arteta to run it is equivalent of letting a low ranking soldier command an army
Bring in, idk, literally anyone lmao, and give the team some fuckin leadership
That imo is what arsenal lacks the most rn. No leader on the pitch or in a managerial position.
Arsenal expected Arteta to fill the boots the way OGS has for MUN and it hasn't gone that way at all
burnt cedar
Arsenal absolutely have (or at least, had) the magnetism to attract big players,...
And this juice is slowly running out with the players we’re getting linked to
burnt cedar
Agree entirely. If a manager is basing who he employs as players around their be...
This is what made Wenger so good
I can’t think of many players who dislike him as a person
He was a father figure to many of them
Sometimes more of a father figure than manager
Even someone like Mourinho as much as I dislike he had players saying they were willing to die for him
dim ledge
See also: Klopp
burnt cedar
I can’t see anyone having these opinions for arteta
burnt cedar
See also: Klopp
What makes the top managers stand out to the rest
dim ledge
Love Wenger to death dude. With that dilapidated squad he had the last few years he still finished top 4
And absolutely
I see ALOT of Wenger in Klopp and visa versa
restive sundial
Need farteta out asap
burnt cedar
The way players get treated let’s not forget they have friends in the sport
You think Saliba and Guendouzi are giving 10/10 reviews to other young french players
They’d tell them stay away
restive sundial
Got extremely lucky with the FA Cup win and somehow convinced people he was the right man for the job
But has always been mediocre to the core
burnt cedar
Got extremely lucky with the FA Cup win and somehow convinced people he was the ...
Even with this you could excuse him because it wasn’t his players and he performed well with them
But since then
Some of the players brought in, football we’ve played and results are shocking
And he never takes accountability
Winning the fa cup might have set us back years
restive sundial
Yes
burnt cedar
His fans will say he won us the fa cup but I’d rather get top 4 in all honesty
It’s 2021
Bruh we got the most fa cups idgaf about one more lmao
Gimme losing 10-2 to Bayern in the ucl
I just wanna hear the music one more time
restive sundial
burnt cedar
restive sundial
mighty citrus
why does the MLB lack sprinters???
smoky fable
Knew you’d pull up Trea Turner
honest umbra
hes played 4 games for the dodgers and shown off his speed every single game
hard not to
smoky fable
Yep
rustic ore
Twitter
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/dallascowboys/status/1425609601722904582
I just saw that
smoky fable
https://twitter.com/dallascowboys/status/1425609601722904582
Narrator: “It was indeed a setback”.
haughty moss
Rays getting smoked
haughty moss
Dunno, just kept checking the score and it was wild lol
regal mortar
the dallas cowboys might go 17-0 this season if dak is healthy
17-0 and super bowl champs i must say
if dak isnt healthy, 2-15 i think
smoky fable
not a chance.
smoky fable
don't see it
restive sundial
What days have come
We have to look forward to deals not going through rather than looking forward to signing good players 
Same with the Tammy Abraham deal
Thank god roma came in
burnt cedar
For 40m it’s a bit too much
But I like Tammy
He’s better than lacazette
I don’t think we can even sign a striker unless both Nketiah and laca leave
dim ledge
If the Tammy deal could've gone down to 35 I think that would've been fine
40 is indeed just a little bit too much
I remember when Gnabry was at Arsenal
restive sundial
Why pay 40 mil for a slightly better nketiah
restive sundial
Man
I just don't want more Chelsea rejects at this club
Done and dusted after willian
plucky flicker
Is anyone doing a fantasy football league I could join?
bitter rover
@honest umbra @celest zephyr @burnt cedar got my KZ merch 
celest zephyr
Nice, I would be lying if I said I wasn't rooting for Dan in his last fight 👀
hasty basin
burnt cedar
<@!95648410492731392> <@456226577798135808> <@316891895420813323> got my KZ mer...
KZ always has nice designs
I have a Max Holloway bless yourself hoodie, on the sleeve it has the scorecard vs Kattar