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Protas with a snipe 1-0 wsh
Nice
Old philosophy Hog?
If you wonder why that jump and decrease in the mid 1990s, that is because they made the 3 line shorter to incentivice more attempts cause barely anyone tried 3s for 15 years lmao
This is like three true outcome in baseball, less variety = less interesting
That is very true
knickstape
Becomes the same shit every night
Made 3s, foul baiting and bricks being the equivalent of home runs, walks and strike outs
The Celtics really shot 60 threes in a single game at like 25%
The industrial revolution and its consequences
It becomes more a shooting contest than anything else 😭
Construct a team like the thunder or the prime UConn championship teams. Have an athletic big man and guys 1-4 that have length that can shoot 3s as well. Build deep teams
Like sure, clutch 3s rule, but when 70% of your plays is shooting a 3 it's just not that interesting man, especially when they make like 25% 😭
They played dumb iq ball before their championship season. I did not think they’d go back to that form.
Also Tatum was awful 4th quarter
He barely drove at all
The main issue to me was when they were trying that as their lead evaporated, you have to mix it up man
Or trying a 3 when the game was tied at the end of regular time 😭
And they were also up 20
No need to chuck so many threes
Why pacers trolling
@robust grotto I just thought of a perfect one liner for Russell Wilson as a Giant,
Gotham City….. Let’s Grow!
I guess the only feasible solution would be to put the 3 line farther away
Steph kinda ruined the game
No Garland, Mobley, or Hunter either

Pacers are done
With curry, he made things interesting because he could get a 3 any way he wanted. Dribble move, step back, deep three, off ball catch and shoot, circus shot. Not only that but he did it on high volume and high efficiency. His heat checks are fun as hell. But the teams that copied don’t do all that because role players aren’t that good nor is any super star to do what he does. Compounded with the shift to advanced analytics and now we are in the mess we are currently in
Teams like the Celtics are geniunely unfun to watch because it’s them jacking so much threes that they statistically make enough to win
Tldr fuck Boston
Indeed
Nah, jimmy Jordan finna win his ring
Donovan having an insane game
Pacers some jokers
Cavs not even at their peak right now
Lmfao I’m in
ALSO speaking of football
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Mitchell legacy game
Pacers blowing this golden opportunity
Cavs in 5
That's game
Ofc Mitchell is down now right as I said that
Jesus
jokic type elbow
the mics been catching some dude talking for the whole game
its a basketball move for the first elbow bruh
turning fully means u wanted to hit the dude lmao
pacers want to foul
oh boy
🏒
Cavs you sold
Haliburton just iced that 3
Omfg
fake 2-0 lead
HALI
the minute that step back was made that 3 was going in
he did the carrying balls emote
Peak content
might be the best playoffs of this decade
anthony bennett would low key cook Lebron
3 lower seed dubs in a row
Would be funny if all 60 win teams get bounced on the 2nd round 💀
But I know the Celtics wont cause its the one I want to lose out of the 3
Cavs are on heavy fraud watch
They were heavily banged up
Status alert: Stephen Curry (leg) headed to locker room Tuesday.
Wolves have scored 0 points in 6 minutes of play...
Lucky for them the Warriors have only scored 14 or this game would be over
Besides Ovi, did anyone ever really give two shits about the Caps
Work was so busy bc of the game and I got to watch most of it
Nice
I got home and I’m wearing my Canes shirt
Ripped it off in celebration
Hope the fat ass Caps fan who threatened to fight me at the last game I went to has a miserable night 🤣🤣
Capitals fans are so weird to me as a concept
looked to me like he tweaked his hamstring
Draymond doing his best Steph curry impression
Every team I thought would win their series is playing like crap rn
This is the series of upsets
Still in shock the pacers pulled that off
yeah warriors are done
Fucking hell
Warriors' Stephen Curry has a left hamstring strain and is out for remainder of Game 1 against Minnesota.
Old man ahh injury
Fucking Bennett didn't get suspended for injuring stolarz
Dops my ass
Really is Ovi and a bunch of castoffs from Chicago.
Buddy is trash st finishing layups
😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
what happened to reid
3 great teams and the worst team to ever play the game
The Rockies being at the far bottom of the mountain is some funny irony.
Because they're a Minnesota sports team
wolves peaked against lakers 💔
Anti score 💀
"ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The season CAN'T end like this."
There we go
Minny couldn't score for shit for minutes
Didn't the cavs win today ?
They lost
Deshaun Watson is hiding somewhere in the Cavs building.
This is a great playoffs.
And somehow the Finals will be a 4-0 series win and every score will be 30 point blowouts.
Probably
If nuggets beat OKC and warriors beat wolves I think nuggets will get to the finals
please lose
Nuggets vs Celtics, Jokic will cook those frauds
@deep ivy
Respect us we lost to LeBron a legend and a top 2 player ever at minimum these bums are losing to Tyrese Halliburton
Imagine respecting Atlanta
The Georgia Dome didn't have time to be blown off.
I think nuggets beat the wolves
Georgia Dome saw more action than the Trop
Asking shadow for respect is a losing endeavor
Nah I think the wolves GM had built this team specifically to beat the nuggets.
Without kat idk
Asking respect from anyone who likes any aspect of Florida is a daring venture
Yeah, they actually win stuff in Florida. 
Gotta win now till Mother Nature takes over
First underwater champs. Book it now
The chargers should move to Georgia
Can't come soon enough imo
Just to have another team choke
No
Even WCW blew a 83 week winning streak to the WWF.
Typical Florida fan happy that the rapists company won
I'm a WCW fan sadly.
I'm not a WCW fan I just think competition is good for WWE
Makes the business better
More wrestlers get paid
Lavar never lose 🆙🔝
can wolves not be washed god damn
Yep
One run away
Nice lil 15-4 run and they back in it
More like warriors 15-4 run
@silk pine Shedeur gonna rock #12 apparently as a Brady tribute
Not what I heard
I heard he wanted #2 and his team threw a fit when they told a 5th round pick no
No

Ant is a bum
nuggets vs pacers finals incoming 😭
The wolves are super sad wtf
How u only score 11 points in one quarter
Them boys got no legs out there
They was out partying wtf
Warriors in 4 😭
Yea looks like that 0/11 game was a premonition of the worst to come
He can't shoot the ball in the Ocean if he tried
I'm not even looking at the east who they playing rn?
Wtf they shouldn't even stand a chance against them boys
I got cavs in 6
But goddamn the wolves suck
Wtf
Is every game gonna be a come back victory god damn
refs forget all the rules when looney is on the court huh
Let’s goo
W dad
wolves need a miracle
not happening
Lot of choking happening in these conference semi finals
yeah wth is happening lol
wolves shot horrendously from 3, just one of those games
most interesting development was the jaden/naz/ant/randle/donte lineup, that's probably where they're going to go a lot
I think naz fits better at 4 next to gobert against the warriors as well
This is huge. Warriors to the finals
Curry likely misses game 2 and they try to protect homecourt
Was huge to take this game here
Ai using + moving screens + draymond green warriors winning might make me quit watching basketball
The east will save us
Only thing quit worthy is Boston or Denver winning
Warriors on par of Celtics
Why is Trent above the stadium?
Quoting Inter ⭐⭐ (@Inter)
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︀︀
︀︀#ForzaInter #UCL
The Pacers will go back to the ECF just to be swept by the Celtics that's crazy
what if the knicks win?
NYC would blow up
I don't want them to reach the ECF 
cavs are missing garland
They were missing 2 starters and Hunter off the bench
L mind games, all three of them are gonna be available
https://fixupx.com/TheFergusonWay/status/1920025017221533746?s=19
Official travelling squad:
Quoting ☈ッ (@TheFergusonWay)
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🚨 BREAKING:
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︀︀Inaki Williams, Nico Williams and Oihan Sancet are NOT in Athletic Bilbao's travelling squad to face Manchester United in the 2nd leg of the Europa League semi-final.
tomorrow will probably be boring
aside from the betis Florence game all the english teams will move to the finals
Never know brother, they play the games for a reason
Uhhhh
Lmao
@restive vector have fun
Please be a second or a first. I believe in you Jerry
Lol it's gonna be a second for sure
Second and a 4th if your lucky
A Third Round Pick!!!
Have they lost their god damn mind 😭
Bro WHAT
No QB, just signed a 30 y/o receiver to a large contract, have to pay their 30 year old pass rusher 40 million a year
Why do this stuff AFTER the draft?
He probably demanded a trade
True but you’d imagine they had an idea like a week or two ago no
It was probably in the works during the draft but no one wanted to bite
So they traded him now for a third
The league might not think highly of Pickens
Me if Arsenal go through
did u see this
That guy is centel
I'd like to believe arsenal make a comeback but sadly it's gonna be paris-shit-gemain against inter in the finals
could see spurs making a generational fumble ig
I'd love for Spurs to win the UEL
It would finally put an end to all the memes
Kane and Spurs winning a trophy in the same season would be something
spurs winning would have been funny if kane and bayern lost another league to leverkursen tbh
I should become an uefa script writer

I’m both at the same time
understandable
Lowkey a win win either way 
It’s official.
I love the light blue. The logo isn’t that bad. Mammoth is fine tbh
Congrats to Utah
A huge Mammoth of monkey crap.
The Utah state logo with the stick is nice
Too bad Yeti brand was so lame about this
The look will be better in time
Wooly Mammoth for an ice hockey team is solid
Mr. Snuffleupagus
Finally a unique mascot, I rarely see any kind of elephant
Glad it wasnt the ice or something lame like that
Maybe I’m late but
George Pickens to the cowboys!!!
Yes I am late lol
Scrolled up 3 seconds
It’s a great fit for a hockey team. I’m with you
The logo is generic as fuck, looks like something EA sports would have.. but give it time
@plucky kiln @final plaza rohit retired from tests
Yeah saw the story
good decision tho
Yeah he wasn't playing well
just avoided being trolled
He still starts him tho, does he have a humiliation kink?
So when they don't make the playoffs, we can just say they didn't exist. They were only in Utah's head. 
Good decision
I like the name
Utah Mammoth
I think it’s supposed to be a dinosaur
havent psg bottled more ucl final than us😭
nah
the o ly time they made it so far was in 2020
arsenal and paris both only made it to finals once
this one is funny I admit
arsenal cap: on
arsenal scarf: on
patrick vieras autobiography: read
north london forever: on repeat
don't forget the antidepressants
ive already lined up a bunch of words to mute on twitter if we lose
I'll miss ucl
maybe nations league might not be so mad I'll still have smth to watch lol
talking to this french girl and shes getting blocked if we lose
money laundering competition
@dim kettle I want one but I’m not going into the city. Bastards.
Just think of the price to get into the city as extra tax on the hat. 
$12 for parking, about $8 with the metro
Bastards!! Put this online
This is why the Stanley Cup won’t return to NY.
That’s honestly the benefit here. I can buy almost 200 dollars worth of merch like hats and jerseys and not be tax for it
I see more New Yorkers in my local malls. Geez, I wonder why
Vasy is gonna be ran into the ground, isn't he?
Could be worse. Could be the Guardians or Commanders
They both dropped the ball so hard
Not a single detail missed by Utah Mammoth, including this fan carrying … a Yeti.
Quoting Utah Mammoth (@utahhockeyclub)
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A new Ice Age dawns. Introducing Utah Mammoth.
︀︀
︀︀#TusksUp
To be fair, the Guards logo is an upgrade compared to whatever they were cooking in the last years of the Indians
I wish they would ditch their current color scheme, though. They look like a bootleg Red Sox or Braves.
Don't compare real organizations with anything in the state of Ohio please and thank you
I mean, look at the two side by side.
Navy blue and red combo is oversaturated in MLB
The reaction to the Mammoth logo tells me 2 things
- People don't understand the situation with the Yeti copyright
- Sports fans are fickle and unpleasable
Well, yes for the second part. We see it all the time with NFL unis changing.
"The Raiders unis are the best because they're nice, simple, and classic."
Also NFL fans: OMG the Broncos unis look so boring and college-like"
Vaibhav ||madarchod ||
30 runs wtf
That too
hadn't he done well for KKR this season?
Brevis was my fav in mi
I only remember good parts
Run machine
Takes 2 wickets but gives shit ton of runs
Barely defended 22
Lmfao his face keeps changing
One for the ages 😍
Nine years ago today, Italian singer Andrea Bocelli performed on the pitch, as @LCFC lifted the Premier League trophy for the first time 🏆 https://t.co/PVhLETt3rX
9 years ago already. Wow. What a moment. Such an enjoyable season too
Dembele is on the bench
Finished in this over itself
Is this a sign
atleast Dhoni changed strike
Myles Lewis Skelly goal today?
Hopefully
MLS two assists incoming
🙏🏽
😭
Sloths WHEN
What tf is happening
When we're in the new Ice Age.
2021 flashback?
I forgot when was the time Russell had taken a great wicket of dhoni
oh nvm
Finished
Dumbass crowd
Kkr home ground and you cheer for csk rcb
Idiots
good victory for csk
kkr out of playoffs?
😔
88 shooting in may, quicksell him
Lock in arsenal
Dembele on the bench?
COYG LETS GOON TOGETHER
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I dig it
Let’s go Arsenal nation
GOONER NATION🙌
I WILL be gooning if we win today
Yeah! The logo is.. whatever; but the name and colors are solid. It’s a unique mascot to work around and they’ll get better in time
Good luck gooners
I will GOON nontheless
Damn, I actually like this
W Utah!
any gooners around?
COYGGGGGG
We are gooning rn
MIKEL ARTETA’S ARMY WE’RE ARSENAl THROUGH AND THROUGH
ucl football
no dembele?
they have WHO as ref
tough pill to swallow but the squad is young so they'll get another chance
apart from lewa who likely has a year or two left in him
COYG
felix zwayer as ref my condolences
COYG
COYGGGG
good luck to both teams
Game just started?
si
that is such a tough match up on saka
you got nuno mendes and kvara helping too?
yeesh
good day of sports
nuno is tough to beat been one of the best LBs this season
NBA playoffs has been good and UCL been solid for the most part
wtf was that from doue
Been a stud
OOOO
I thought rice scored
rice just wide
nah he didn't
I gotta turn the game on
He beat Marquinhos in the air
who are u guys rooting for?
arsenal
I just want a good game
looks like the ball curved
Which is not good for the Gunner fans here
thought it went into the net from here
and any PSG fans here
thr finals are whatever for me I just really hate psg
crocoboy
what i want today is for us to at least play good and try our hardest to beat psg
Yeah he's a Georgia guy though. Kvara hard carrying that
yeah
Donnarumma
arsenal gotta pull out the freekicks if they want to win this
he wants that hakimi match up
WTF
oh
no way
bro I thought that was in
BRO
i knew donnaruma would hold that
those big ass arms saving PSG right now
Big man
oh is he down

he's down
oh my
Time wasting?
god pls
Or actual injury
if he's injured that's not good.
The backup is warming up
time wasting gimmick
Arsenal looked good though
yeah
the problem is the longer they push in the first half the bigger the chances that they'll let up later
We look sharp
OH
fuck that was close
Kvara post
HOW DID THAT HIT THE POST
so close
I thought he scored
Croco in shock if he’d be there
where is he btw
In denial
Kvara nooo
skelly a boss
should be
Bad
Maybe they need Dembele
fuck
Goal
FABIAN
Ruiz
what a volley
fuck my life
psg 2-0 now
And Arsenal are in a 2-0 hole
2-0 agg
Goallll
LETS GOOOOO
I’m not going to lie, this looks tough for Arsenal
What a strike
Viva Paris
a bit of a deflection there
ugh
that partey clearance wasn't that good
They're playing good tho
inter it is then
1 goal and arsenal are back in
it's more difficult to comeback once it's a 3 goal gap
I’m just really whelmed at the attacking options
silence vardid fan
im rooting for inter because i dont want a 0 ucl winner
Counter
Let's wait for end of the match
Oh my god
barcola sold
these psg counters been deadly
Black hole sun wont you come?
saka has been our worst player
Arsenal.... yikes
pacho been solid
so close
how did we go from barca vs inter to this
Expected a dud
different systems
want assna to win but
yeah im giving up in a bit
the flick highline football is just chaotic to watch tbf, we had many games like that this szn
What team you support again
That hit his head?
nothing there
Chest
rip lewis skellys balls
🔵
HT
probably could've been more if PSG didn't choke some of those counters
Barcola and Doue could've bagged
Arsenal cooked
ye he needs to get a shot off, been mostly just crossing
facking miserable
What the fuck man
Finally I can eat rice again
enjoy it without me boys
Arsenal squad building is a joke
dudes a beast
Basically Arteta went for players who listen to him at the cost of technical abilities
rice been great too in midfield

we havent been clinical since february
icl i was praying he went off
The one time Odegaard pulls of a good shot it gets saved 😭
"We need to be more clinical", you literally have Sterling on the bench guys
Aside from Skelly and Saka the rest are mid technically as opposed to PSG squad
odegaards been decent in everything but passing
The moment Sterling comes on I’m turning the match off
Lmao proper hater 🔥 https://fixupx.com/utdbelles/status/1920188952146768189?s=19
time to get cauliflower on (for distracting psg)
might as well get trossard on aswell for Anne Hathaway
How many long throws did Arsenal attempt lol
4 in the first 10 mins alone
Arsenal can't get to the net
tbf it's silly but like atleast 2 of them gave them a shot on target
Psg plays an upgraded version of De Zerbi ball
PSG isn't doing much right now either
Most of their chances come after baiting the press then playing directly
that odeegard shot that donarumma made an insane save on came from a long throw
They dont have to
Arsenal cant maintain this level of intensity for the whole game
Getting out of class and seeing Assnal down 2 tears of joy
Fr
Psg vs Inter milan would be good final
PSG 🙏
COYG
still a lot of time
COYGGGG
Ous warming up
Mendes with a rush
vitinha omg
mauvw if I close the game they'll play better
nuno clamps
Portuguese midfielders are insane bro
changing channels
Too good
maybe they'll score if i stop watching
Copium
PSG will have to save football
Both of these guys stink
May order some popcorn to watch AFTV after this
Imagine conceding seven goals in a UCL tie and then crying about the ref
Flick's statement pissed me off
Same shit Real says
donnarumma
I honestly don't have any problems with people complaining about the refs
fucking hell
BRO
But it gets ridiculous when they do it for no reason
ONE MORE HALF HOUR PSG
if we had isak we win every game 10-0 btw
George Pickens vs marshon lattimore is gonna go crazy
World class keepers wins you games
nobody thought donnaruma was world class before the first leg
Can't count the amount of times Alisson has saved our hides
That’s a lie
I thought he was good but had a couple of bozo moments especially last szn (donna)
if you say so
Yeah gg
Rip arsenal
PENALTY
Gg
YES
I'd say before the second leg of the Liverpool tie
Even tho he has always been class for Italy
PSG ITS YOUR YEAR
cringe
VAMOS
PLEASE
disappointed but not suprised arsenal let me down
Doesn’t touch him
Fucking bullshit
Commentators going wild lol 
gross
😭
Disgrace
class for italy, but always has bad moments
Absolute disgrace
hes the reason why they lose a lot
that's a weak pen
trossard on gg
just Smash it lol
its over
No Sterling cameo?
What the fuck
Trossard on LFG
What a shit pen
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
ye it was bad lol
ARE YOU MAD
Top 10 respect moments
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
Raya with a save
"ball don't lie" ahh moment
NO WAY THAT JUST HAPPENED
vitinha thought he was a cat
Shitty ass pen
I hope they lose just because of that
vitinha vs lookman on pens
did he miss?
damnit
LFG
trossard will score surely
BALLON DOR IS ON
Raphinha is still the front runner
Lil early to be drunk no?
Miss is too generous a word for what he did
Wouldn't be mad at that
He literally handed the ball over to him

How are yall so far ahead
HAKIMI BANGSR
See ya arsenal
nah that's a crazy finish
What a finish tho holy
We love passing the ball backwards don't we?
Dembouz with an assist already
🕊️
Ballon D'Or
wrapped up
PSG going through is better because I have a PSG shirt so I can jinx the final for the other team
🚨🇪🇺 GOAL | PSG 2-0 Arsenal | Hakimi
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︀︀HAKIMI DOUBLES THE LEAD FOR PSG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hes the next pep, trust the process
Extend arteta to a lifetime contract
Rome wasn't built in seven phases
which PSG shirt?
I'm taking an over/under on whether or not he mentions Liverpool in the postmatch
Arsenal ownership just told Arteta they still don't want to purchase a striker
arteta out invertthewing in
One of the most cherry picked stats ive seen
this game isnt on arteta though, our players simply arent good enough to win things
no point being confused or mad
Bottle FC
Arsenal football choke
2-1
2-1
saka 1-4
He’s always got a mistake in him
tru
This one
This one
Gotta make sure Arteta doesn't get sacked proper play PSG I see the strategy
Wrap it up
“Here you go damn” ahh goal
Always when watching arsenal
When Pep let Ten Hag win the FA Cup
Ten Hag wins things…
let
Sure buddy
that was the 3-2
Horrible miss lmao
Saks 🔥
That’s going to sting
???
Mazulla pfp based
Best coach in the league
45 missed 3's however 💔
Congrats. @hasty basin
AWWWWWWW
I’m going to say early that PSG are sealing this
Fair enough
Ngl I shat it when saka scored, thought I jinxed psg lmao 😭
You're developing Trey level powers
Halfway there tbf
Never say this as this meme is dead in the water because nobody can be original and funny
But he ironically needs to be studied
It's like a near guarantee every time man
He's like the anti Nostradamus
Coached 4 goals, scored 1
Between Sommer and Donnarumma we saw some great gk performances in the semis
Love to see that
Why isn't your real coach at the game 🤔
Chilling
82nd minute subs never change Arteta
arteta should be hanged the moment he steps foot in london
Let Sterling cook, he’s used to big European nights
I LOVE ODEGAARD KILLING 90% OF OUR ATTACKS
Saliba at least take him out to dinner first Jesus Christ man
Give odegaard his camera back maybe he'll take some decent shots for once
whys this ref just giving cards out
Atp why not
yellows got reset for the semis i thought
if arsenal comes back im shaving everything bruh
Wait final? Saka in a Final? Must be wearing a England kit 😂
holy fuck i haven't watched football in a while wdym kvara is playing for psg
Saka yellow for what?
who does napoli have anymore
This is true put him at striker and he's producing more than lewa
I love that guy
He’s Atalanta
Fair
hard to emotionally attatch to arteta icl
Napoli have Serie A wrapped up yet?
talks so much just to do nothing
He's just a striker away!
Trust the process.
is there a way for this arsenal to finish outside of a ucl position this season
Dembele winning ucl before gta6 would be crazy
Nah inter still there
Before Mbappe more importantly
inter pls
💔
Holy fuck
Arne slot and amorim with a trophy before arteta wallahi you couldn't script this shit

How's he done that then
Trust the process
im saying amorim cause we are NOT about to bottle Europa league to a club that hasn't seen a trophy since the dinosaurs went extinct
No clutch gene 🥀

For once lmfao
😭
I 10000% have y'all in the final btw spurs are AWFUL they can't clear a ball for their lives
Hopefully Lord Onana is playing for the right team
God damnit arsenal
you never know with this team
Would be even better if Ange wins the Europa league
ngl id rather Spurs win
I wouldn't mind spurs since Ange is Greek and I love Son
the ange statement would go hard
But....lol
Put maguire on the wing again I don't got trust in garnacho 💔
Second season ange is scary ngl
16th but uel winners
🔥🔥
Scarier than phase 8 Arteta?
is this ange first season or second?
Second
rome wasn't built in a day ahh arteta
Second
arteta will never win anything of significance
Arsenal needs ten haag im sure they'd settle for a carabao rn
arteta is a good manager who can create good tactics, he just fails at managing his players, getting good players, maintaining a good bench
this was a major disappointment I shouldn't even have turned the tv on
It’s the hope that kills you
Arsenal deserves to lose after that embarrassment of tifo
