Oh Salah
#sports
celest zephyr
celest zephyr
Yeah
calm mulch
Shaq is below both of them
celest zephyr
I know harry Kane and Neymar
rustic mountain
Neymar sounds familiar
short flame
Shaq is below both of them
Shaquille is #1 
(I don’t know nothing about basketball)
rustic mountain
But if I was walking past Neymar on the street, I would have 00000 clue
celest zephyr
Only really know some guys cuz of watching World Cup matches but forgot most of em
calm mulch
In basketball is like Messi and Messi with LeBron and MJ. The difference is not as big as Ronaldo and Messi
rustic mountain
Tbh as many times as I’ve seen Salah thanks to Balkan, I am still only like 50% sure Id recognize him
celest zephyr
Shaq would be possibly 1 if he bothered to develop his game or have conditioning
celest zephyr
But dude played basketball like he was just tall and large and didn’t bother to do anything else
short flame
In basketball is like Messi and Messi with LeBron and MJ. The difference is not ...
There’s no big difference between Messi and Ronaldo either. So lebron and mj would be Messi and Ronaldo and Shaquille would be pele?
rustic mountain
Yes but Id be like “wow that guy looks a bit like Salah”
calm mulch
There’s no big difference between Messi and Ronaldo either. So lebron and mj wou...
It doesn't translate like that
that's why it's hard to compare different sports
proud coyote
Shaq is not pele
smoky fable
There’s no big difference between Messi and Ronaldo either. So lebron and mj wou...
Shaq is not pele
rustic mountain
Thats right
smoky fable
not even close
rustic mountain
I am pele
smoky fable
no
celest zephyr
Shaq ain’t even all that
proud coyote
Shaq is more like Zlatan lol
celest zephyr
He’s good but he’s likem fringe top 10
dim ledge
Shaq is more like Zlatan lol
This is a good comparison
celest zephyr
Dude fell off hard after a dominant start to his career
And then bounced around for a bit
rustic mountain
Woulda been neat if the Shaq magic won a title
proud coyote
I mean, it was an incredibly dominant start
celest zephyr
It was for sure
proud coyote
And he was still a good player on like, the heat
celest zephyr
Elevated dude to around the top
Hé was yeah
Then he wasn’t that good after the heat
smoky fable
Know that all too well
proud coyote
But yeah zlatan in terms of personality and general ability relative to the stars is my Shaq soccer comp
calm mulch
Pelé getting 3 world cups in a lifetime is kinda crazy if you think about it
4 years is way too much
proud coyote
Pele is like Bill Russell
short flame
Shaq is not pele
Of course not, different people but they’re the faces of their sport (I’m just messing around, I only know Shaquille from like one episode of family feud)
celest zephyr
Lol i don’t get sports comps tbh
Like even if i know both sports
It’s just so hard
And can’t really do it one to one
smoky fable
Lol i don’t get sports comps tbh
Not worth it
short flame
If you are curious
I’m not just wanted to be part of the conversation 
smoky fable
Ronaldinho = Kobe
I don't know about that one.
short flame
I got traumatized by that sport and I like clean sheets
celest zephyr
Just too many sports to juggle
short flame
I can’t watch a game where there’s a guarantee of over a hundred points
proud coyote
I don't know about that one.
They had similar peaks in terms of how others perceived them, similar levels of success, and though Ronaldinho fell off earlier they both ended up hobbled by injuries.
celest zephyr
Game 1 though way too early
short flame
And I see the oilers losing to the VGK.
Don’t don’t that to me man
celest zephyr
Can’t call it
proud coyote
Ronaldinho was absolutely the star of soccer for a time
celest zephyr
Wish the devils didn’t job to the canes though
smoky fable
He was, no question about it.
calm mulch
My current top 10 in the NBA all time goes like this :
1- MJ
2- Lebron
3- Kareem
4- Magic
5- Wilt
6- Larry Bird
7- Kobe
8- Hakeem
9- Duncan
10- Bill Russel
short flame
Where’s my shacky
rustic ore
Besides the point he's gonna set y'all back so much with holding penalties 
smoky fable
Besides the point he's gonna set y'all back so much with holding penalties <:330...
You speak from experience
calm mulch
Where’s my shacky
forgot about him.... dammit imma put him in 6 and take bill russel out
short flame
I wish Ronaldinho put more effort into his game, really could have been the best if he had discipline but he’s still one of the greatest
calm mulch
I also think Neymar had the potential to be the greatest of all time or rival messi if he had a good work ethic.
Bro ruined himself
smoky fable
They had similar peaks in terms of how others perceived them, similar levels of ...
Mentalities were total opposites of each other though. They were on opposite spectrums on that matter.
They were both talented though.
smoky fable
That and FG attempts
Having a good kicker matters
calm mulch
Ronaldinho getting a ballon dor was the biggest spit in the face of spain that absolutely hated (and still hates) the way brazilians play football
short flame
I also think Neymar had the potential to be the greatest of all time or rival me...
I never liked his personality but he sure was good. But yeah like a lot of big Brazilian, work ethic wasn’t there
proud coyote
Mentalities were total opposites of each other though. They were on opposite sp...
The personality comp in that sense is AI, but I feel Kobe had his own personality (more stoic than ronaldinho obv but still distinct) and is just a better comp in terms of everything else like skill/prominence/success
short flame
Ronaldinho getting a ballon dor was the biggest spit in the face of spain that a...
Europeans vs South Americans will always be a big fight of styles. Discipline vs talent
calm mulch
I never liked his personality but he sure was good. But yeah like a lot of big B...
i don't like him as a person too, in fact i hate his ass. But him as a player is a different story
short flame
i don't like him as a person too, in fact i hate his ass. But him as a player is...
Yeah sentiments aside he’s a beast but I just want to see him roll off the pitch with his whiny attitude
calm mulch
Like, i find LeBron and KD to be ultra corny in social media too
But i still have immense respect for both as basketball players
KD is the type of dude to go anon in blogs about basketball and argue with random casuals 💀
i'm not kidding
proud coyote
I like KD for that lol
Lebron is just bigger than a person and so makes himself as friendly as possible
short flame
KD is the type of dude to go anon in blogs about basketball and argue with rando...
That’s actually kind of cool
proud coyote
Which obviously isn’t genuine
calm mulch
Lebron is just bigger than a person and so makes himself as friendly as possible
yeah bro is a whole walking brand
full of speeches
i think MJ said once that he wouldn't survive this social media era
bro finna get cancelled 💀
celest zephyr
Oh for sure
Him and Rodman wouldn’t
They’d just yap and get cancelled
Like the shit Jordan did wouldn’t fly right now
calm mulch
Him and Rodman wouldn’t
Not long ago Rodman was out there playing with his bud from North Korea Kim Jong Un 💀
celest zephyr
I don’t get why anyone want linesmen which have a bunch of holding penalties
That and false starts
celest zephyr
Like bruh if you hold and you can’t start properly then what’s does anyone want you
calm mulch
look at this man
smoky fable
I don’t get why anyone want linesmen which have a bunch of holding penalties
If I ever get into hockey only for the NHL playoffs, I'll consult this place.
celest zephyr
That is so wild that even putting it in a movie wouldn’t be believable
Hahahaha might be more complaining than actually useful hockey convo sometimes
calm mulch
Like the shit Jordan did wouldn’t fly right now
You can add Kevin Garnett to that list then
celest zephyr
Ah gotcha
Yeah i wouldn’t bother with regular seasons
Cuz like they are boring
And really pretty much all of the good teams are the playoff teams
So if you want actually good or at least competitive hockey the playoffs is better
celest zephyr
You can add Kevin Garnett to that list then
Yeh but he at least played recently though granted i don’t know much about the shit he did
dim kettle
One step forward, two steps backwards. The Oilers special
celest zephyr
Oh siren do you like chastain?
short flame
If I ever get into hockey only for the NHL playoffs, I'll consult this place.
Sadly my team doesn’t get invited so I won’t be able to help you there
celest zephyr
Hahaha rip
At least you can give the perspective of a guy who misses it every time
calm mulch
How THE FUCK does the Celtics lose to the 76ers without Embiid and then proceed to blow them out by 20 points in the second game when the whole roster is there ??????
calm mulch
what the hell is that team
short flame
That’s low
dim kettle
Oh siren do you like chastain?
I honestly only know him from doing that gaming move last year and being an expert of watermelon throwing.
celest zephyr
Lmao gotcha
calm mulch
@short flame messi ballon dor incoming
short flame
At least you can give the perspective of a guy who misses it every time
Yeah the loser perspective
celest zephyr
The Celtics aren’t a consistent team
Idk if they are good or bad
Remind me kinda of the bucks when they won it all
calm mulch
If modric won his by his "heroics" in the world cup when blud didn't even win you can bet your ass that Messi doing the absurdity he did this world win give him his final ballon dor
celest zephyr
Looked like ass and incredible in the same playoff series
short flame
<@702887230217125928> messi ballon dor incoming
Don’t do me like that, let’s keep the haaland train going
calm mulch
The Celtics aren’t a consistent team
Depends on Tatum and Brown at this moment
short flame
If modric won his by his "heroics" in the world cup when blud didn't even win yo...
Yeah sadly they value that more than actually giving it to the guy who did the most in a year
calm mulch
Marcus Smart is surprisingly reliable
short flame
But also none of the previous World Cup winners have won it, why should this be different
short flame
Yeah sadly it’s a pr stunt trophy
celest zephyr
Yeah for sure lmao
calm mulch
Yeah sadly it’s a pr stunt trophy
Individual awards in team based sports, especially the ones with lots of players in a team usually are like that
celest zephyr
Tatum and brown just who knows if they play well or not
I’m still not a fan of the best players on a team being the same archetype
But eh
calm mulch
I’m still not a fan of the best players on a team being the same archetype
idk how that even works
calm mulch
Tatum should be grateful that Brown is willing to be his right hand man
celest zephyr
Or like really provide something that unique that the other doesn’t
Like jokic and Murray are completely different players
calm mulch
Like jokic and Murray are completely different players
and seemingly unguardable
celest zephyr
Yeah
calm mulch
Jamal doesn't even need to have good night and they are still unstoppable
celest zephyr
Whereas if you can guard wings like Tatum then brown doesn’t really pose anything significantly different matchup wise
But if you can guard jokic doesn’t mean that you can do shit against Murray or vice versa
calm mulch
The thing is that you need to focus on Murray, but if you leave jokic open he nails it cuz he catapuls a shot in and bro has high percentages everywhere
and if you even THINK of doubling jokic he makes you pay
instantly sees the correct play and makes the pass 99% of the time
celest zephyr
Yeah jokic is so hard to stop
calm mulch
celest zephyr
Really can only slow that man down
celest zephyr
Just don’t jump lol
Like looney or Draymond
Like if you don’t jump or bite then guys can’t do shit like that against you
Rudy was moving his feet like he had happy feet there
calm mulch
Like if you don’t jump or bite then guys can’t do shit like that against you
His form is so high up with such a high arc that if you don't go with him he nails it
it's literally a catapult
celest zephyr
Yeah for sure
You kinda just gotta mirror him and hope you bother him enough to get a miss
calm mulch
same treatment for KD
celest zephyr
Or just make him score and cut off the passing lanes as best as you can
That’s the easier way sincehe’s more of a passer
Making him drop like 30 and 5 is better than like 25 and 10
calm mulch
Or just make him score and cut off the passing lanes as best as you can
They torture him so much on defense. He never jumps to save energy and they still make him twitch like a crackhead dancing around and jerking his legs
celest zephyr
Hé ain’t really all that good as a rim protector either
celest zephyr
Surprised he won b2b mvps with that defense but eh
celest zephyr
For sure and advanced stats overrate the hell of him on defense
calm mulch
cuz he just plays normally and gets it, bro never stat pads
his game generates triple doubles
celest zephyr
Yeahhe’s an offense all on his own
But idk for me i like guys who can provide value omn both ends
calm mulch
yeah i find 2 way players much more interesting and valuable
celest zephyr
If a guy can provide great offense and all defense caliber defense like Giannis or embiid, I’d rather have that guy
Same
Nba ain’t just offense. When its too offensively oriented it ain’t as fun
calm mulch
defense > offense in the playoffs too
when teams exploit the shit out of every weaknesses a player has
having no defense is so damaging
even curry hustles on defense and bro is a on a perfect system to cover him up
celest zephyr
Yeah curry ain’t the best but dude tries hard and is smart
He rarely puts himself in bad positions
And the team does a good job of covering for him
For sure. Offense is more hit and miss
short flame
Too many men on the ice. <:FujiKEK:623815945437052928>
Hey it’s a very common mistaken
That’s how I got 50 penalties over 3 seasons
dim kettle
Dude, the Oilers couldn't even pull their own goaltender right.
This is Oilers Hockey baby!
short flame
But they’ll still best the Vegas
dim kettle
Cope
short flame
Guys why did oilers lose?
Refs (I didn’t watch the game)
dim kettle
Because they can't do simple things like pull their own goaltender for the extra man without getting a too many men call
honest umbra
Poor draisatl
been very good these playoffs
dim kettle
dim ledge
He's been very good for years
It's actually insane
The only reason he doesn't get talked about as much is because mcdavid is mcdavid
Imo
Likely the second best player in the league
And I don't say that lightly
dim kettle
He's the Scotty Pippen of the hockey world.
proud coyote
https://twitter.com/UnfortunateHky/status/1653980303872995328?s=20
dont post this please
i want to cry
how do you waste pavelski's fucking goals
dim kettle
His Sharks luck follows him everywhere.
short flame
The only reason he doesn't get talked about as much is because mcdavid is mcdavi...
He should get the respect he deserves, only reason he doesn’t is because he does more than just hunt for points
dim kettle
Leon could easily have a Mark Messier run if he went to a different team.
dim kettle
Yeah, I don't think most people would be able to own Vasy like McDavid does if he was only hunting for points.
I think McDavid is the only player that could pull highlight goals on him consistently.
short flame
Maybe I’m seeing something wrong, the guy just doesn’t seem to be involved much in recuperating the puck and helping out at the back, maybe he does and I just watched him on a day off
dim ledge
🤨
short flame
celest zephyr
dam
celest zephyr
Likely the second best player in the league
Honestly i love drai but idk if he is the second best player in the league
If you include d men, hedman makar fox josi are all really dang good
Vasi, sorokin, Igor, saros, oettinger all elite goalies
As a forward definitely a case yeah
Pastrnak, kucherov, Mackinnon, Robertson are incredible
Another thing is drai is amazing but having mcdavid draw attention for sure makes his job easier
Like you can definitely argue same for mcdavid
Points ain’t everything but unless you are a selke / borderline selke defender like Bergeron then a lot of the best forwards in the league also rack up a lot of points
short flame
But helps the other more 
Guy says this but he’s ranked #1 in the world. That’s why he’s the goat
short flame
Don’t be a hater
calm mulch
only good games in the NBA today
torn gale
Warriors in 3
I wish these west coast games weren’t so late during the week but there’s nothing I can do
celest zephyr
Yeah timezones suck
rustic mountain
Petition to get hockey off ESPN
celest zephyr
So fucking dumb with all the overlays
ESPN broadcasts never fail to suck
And the only reason they don’t is when they rip other people’s broadcasts
Also idk maybe they have their last names on their jerseys????
And there is something called commentary lmao
Like bruh just put an overlay at the bottom
With who’s on the ice
Or to the side or top
If you really want to do it
Looks so much cleaner
short flame
I can get putting names when analyzing the game during half time but during the match it’s just plain stupid
MSG clears
robust grotto
I really have no problem saying Draisaitl is the second best player in the league but I totally understand people not buying it
There’s been plenty of times in the past where Connor has been out for a minute and this guy still carries the oilers like it’s nothing
I’ve seen him live maybe 6 times now; he’s so much bigger than you guys think. His hands and his vision are just ridiculous
short flame
I really have no problem saying Draisaitl is the second best player in the leagu...
You can put him first if you want
simple seal
Guy says this but he’s ranked #1 in the world. That’s why he’s the goat
lol didnt he win the world title last year?
simple seal
lol didnt he win the world title last year?
wtf this year someone idk a shit about won it? Beating Williams, O'Sullivan and Shelby to do it, damn
short flame
wtf this year someone idk a shit about won it? Beating Williams, O'Sullivan and ...
Is it Luca brecel?
celest zephyr
There’s been plenty of times in the past where Connor has been out for a minute...
Yeah dude is insane without a doubt. I don’t have a problem either but idk its more of its hard to compare with defensemen and goalies
Like is he the second best forward? Yeah that’s pretty reasonable to me
robust grotto
Yeah that’s how I see it
short flame
Didnt know a belgian played that good lol
He’s the future of the game. Really talented player
celest zephyr
Bruh Tom with jets over 49ers
Idk about that one chief
Like i think they can surprise some people
Whoops almost pulled a Meyers Leonard for a second lol
Really wish the l and k weren’t next to each other
short flame
https://youtu.be/dOY3e27R2eM @simple seal
celest zephyr
Man snooker looks so different lmao
Compared to pool
Really thought it’d be similar
short flame
It isn’t
They’re different types of cue sports
Imagine tennis and badminton
I may be going to play tonight
hasty basin
So Embiid won MVP huh
Kinda crazy Jokic was at the top for so long
Not implying those Perkins comments had any effect
Well nvm
They probably had the biggest impact
dim kettle
And then the baseball world get's triggered. Because fun is not allowed in old man baseball
thorn hornet
No Xhaka but we move
desert palm
@dim kettle this is actually nutty
desert palm
<@211605687136944128> this is actually nutty
I can’t show it but to summarize
The Orlando Magic owner is putting a bid for an MLB expansion in Orlando
“The Orlando Dreamers”
dim kettle
This has been a thing for like 4 years now
desert palm
Expansions take a while
That’s not the sole problem
dim kettle
Heard about this around the same time Stu tried that Tampa/Montreal concept
desert palm
It’s directly competing in the Ray’s market
desert palm
I can only see this happening if the Rays completely moved out
celest zephyr
I mean its possible
The heat and magic are in the same state ‘
Plenty of teams share a state
desert palm
Or if Stu, the rays owner, works out a deal with the magic owners if the Tampa situation completely falls through
desert palm
The heat and magic are in the same state ‘
There are two teams in Florida in the MLB
celest zephyr
The bigger issue is where do they think they’ll get their market share from
desert palm
The Miami Marlins and the “Tampa Bay” Rays
celest zephyr
Yeah tbh i could see the marlins leaving as a more likely thing lmao
dim kettle
Yeah, at this point, the Rays aren’t moving unless St Pete or Tampa just rejects everything
robust grotto
Florida is such a huge base for baseball
robust grotto
Lowkey they need to consider how it impacts the minor teams as well
desert palm
Florida is such a huge base for baseball
Problem is that most of them are transplants Yankees fans
celest zephyr
Also their team has been bad for a while
nimble onyx
They probably had the biggest impact
I think so too which is crazy to think about
celest zephyr
Yeah for sure the nhl has done an awful job at that
desert palm
And also, the stadium in the Rays situation is terrible
robust grotto
Problem is that most of them are transplants Yankees fans
That’s not a problem for owners who like seeing them, and other snowbird teams, come into town
celest zephyr
They’ve transferred them
desert palm
With a terrible location in St. Petersburg
rustic mountain
The Orlando Dreamers? Really?
celest zephyr
Haven’t actually established new ahl teams
Hey it’s like the magic lol
All dreams no actually good team
desert palm
And the Marlins previous ownership, did such a bad job with a good relationship with the people of Miami after the stadium deal over there, that it will be very hard for them to be in good terms with the team again
dim kettle
Here's the thing, the Marlins still have fans. They just don't show up because the fan base has been fucked for so many years by ownership.
celest zephyr
Got to use those Disney land vibes
robust grotto
They made 2 new AHL teams for the 2 expansion teams. The Vegas one is in Nevada as well
rustic mountain
If baseball expansion is coming, Id love to see a team in Montreal, Portland, maybe Nashville
celest zephyr
Sounds like the commanders
robust grotto
AHL teams can relocate but for the most part it’s been pretty stable
celest zephyr
Maybe they should sell the damn team
robust grotto
The big thing in recent years is getting the western Canadian teams a little closer with their AHL side
dim kettle
By the way, The Marlins signed like a a 50 year lease on the stadium so they won't be moving for a long time.
robust grotto
For a long time the Canucks has theirs in Utica NY
celest zephyr
50 years?????????’
robust grotto
and the Oilers in Bakersfield CA
celest zephyr
That’s such a long time the fuck
dim kettle
It may not be 50. It was around that 30-50 year contract.
robust grotto
but both recently moved to western Canada so that’s a W
celest zephyr
Still a really lomng time
desert palm
Marlins aren’t moving they’re staying just the ownership needs to work out a better relationship with the people there
celest zephyr
Yeah didn’t realize they had such a long term deal
robust grotto
One thing w AHL rn is that the most profitable team. The Chicago wolves, announced they won’t be affiliated w any nhl team going forward
dim kettle
If you knew what Loria did to season ticket holders and the city. You know why people don't support them
celest zephyr
It just siphons growth
desert palm
So now potential expansion is, Montreal, Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, Salt Lake City, and Orlando
robust grotto
So idk how they’ll be able to balance a league where 1 team has 0 nhl affiliation to them. 2 NHL teams will have to share an AHL team
celest zephyr
Plus its so much more appealing to be able to take guys from any team
dim kettle
Loria was basically the Dan Snyder of baseball.
robust grotto
Easier said; you still need an owner and a building
desert palm
Loria was basically the Dan Snyder of baseball.
The fact that he got a ring is the saddest thing, and David Sampson acts as if they were the reason why it happened
dim kettle
Just another reminder that Loria ran the Expos into the ground. So, if you want to know why there's still no baseball in Montreal. you can thank Loria
desert palm
So now potential expansion is, Montreal, Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, Salt La...
BTW, the Salt Lake City bid is by the jazz owner
celest zephyr
Just change the rules and make each ahl team have to be affiliated
desert palm
Just another reminder that Loria ran the Expos into the ground. So, if you want ...
It’s crazy that they gave him the Marlins after he killed the expos
robust grotto
BTW, the Salt Lake City bid is by the jazz owner
I think the A’s should move to Utah while waiting for the LV arena to be built
desert palm
So now potential expansion is, Montreal, Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, Salt La...
Used to be Vegas also but now A’s might move there so we’ll see what happens
celest zephyr
I think the A’s will move there
robust grotto
Sorta like an OKC situation with basketball. A test run
celest zephyr
Montreal huh? I think it’ll happen
robust grotto
And nah @dim ledge
celest zephyr
Also put a team in Seattle you fucks
dim ledge
robust grotto
robust grotto
Nope
robust grotto
NHL got fucked by COVID
dim ledge
give me my fucking expos back
dim kettle
Problem is that most of them are transplants Yankees fans
Yankee fans are everywhere no matter where you go.
celest zephyr
Fucking hell man one Canadian nba and mlb team
robust grotto
Expos would be so cool man
dim kettle
Expos gotta build a new stadium if they really want a chance
dim ledge
who moves if they refranchise there?
robust grotto
NFL needs to play a yearly game in Canada already
dim ledge
obvi A's moving now so they're out the run
celest zephyr
No they need to just put a fucking team here
robust grotto
Canada, England, Mexico, Germany. Beautiful imo
celest zephyr
So many people are already fans
dim kettle
There isn't gonna be a relocation there. There's far less profit to go there than a Nashville or Vegas
celest zephyr
They aren’t going to move there
robust grotto
who moves if they refranchise there?
If the Rays were dog shit, that would be the team
The rays are so good though that I think they’ll build a new arena, I have faith
Ofc siren knows more
dim kettle
If there was relocation in question, the Rays would be gone already.
celest zephyr
Come on goddell just move the chargers to Vancouver
They barely have any fans in la anyways
Already gave the middle finger to every fan in San Diego
dim kettle
Toronto should really have a football team. But that chance was when the Bills were up for sale.
dim ledge
Lol i swear every Canadian NHL player who follows the NFL I know is a Bills fan
celest zephyr
Maybe a north team but i can’t see them moving
If any team moves i could see the chargers
dim kettle
At this point, relocation of any north team is unlikely.
dim ledge
Lol, not Jacksonville?
desert palm
If there was relocation in question, the Rays would be gone already.
I can see the Orlando situation happening if the rays move there with a partnership agreement between Stu and Pat
desert palm
I can see the Orlando situation happening if the rays move there with a partners...
Orlando itself with the Rays in Saint Pete, or even Tampa is not happening
dim kettle
Tampa/St Pete is just a bigger market than Orlando.
desert palm
Tampa/St Pete is just a bigger market than Orlando.
Moving in Orlando would still bring in the Tampa fans
celest zephyr
And the rams in sofi just feels better
desert palm
I heard they’re pretty close
robust grotto
I’m convinced you can put an NFL team in the Gobi Desert and it’ll thrive
celest zephyr
Idk the chargers don’t seem tied to anywhere at this point really
desert palm
I gotta give credit to the Orlando bid they actually have a name like the Nashville bid
dim kettle
That's a big if. I'm a Magic fan. But to be frank, a lot of us in the Tampa don't give a crap about the Magic compared to the Rays or Lightning
dim kettle
Hell, when the Raps where playing in Tampa for the Pandemic year, a lot of us treated them like our team.
desert palm
That's a big if. I'm a Magic fan. But to be frank, a lot of us in the Tampa don'...
It is impressive that the rays are as good as they are in the past six years
With a little payroll no less
robust grotto
The Zhangzhou Zippers
desert palm
They do you deserve a good stadium. Maybe not the owner but the team and front office itself
Deserves a Stadium in Tampa
Proper
celest zephyr
You kid but the nfl would rather build an island and put an nfl team there than put one in Canada
dim kettle
With a little payroll no less
They got a good structure in development,
Along with great coaches.
robust grotto
GO YOU GOBI GILAS
Chance approves
desert palm
They got a good structure in development,
It makes me so annoyed because as a Yankees fan we spend gazillions, and we haven’t even made the World Series in that time span yet the Rays have even if it was a Mickey Mouse appearance
celest zephyr
Hahahahah yankees losing
Best thing to happen
The Ferrari of baseball
Spend a bunch only to do jackshit
robust grotto
desert palm
It doesn’t help we are in last place right now
dim kettle
Stu is cheap. But I get the feeling he'll loosen the payroll limits once a stadium is made. But, the dude is very inept in that process the last 19 years.
desert palm
Good stay there
The big bad wolf is the Astros come on
dim ledge
you know what
desert palm
The evil empire is over there, not in the Bronx anymore
celest zephyr
And who says i want the Astros to win either
dim ledge
i've come around to the knights
celest zephyr
I’m a blue jays fan man
desert palm
And who says i want the Astros to win either
Fair
celest zephyr
I want neither of them to win shit
desert palm
I’m a blue jays fan man
The friendly Blue Jays eh
arctic gorge
Yoo
dim kettle
It makes me so annoyed because as a Yankees fan we spend gazillions, and we have...
Judge and Stanton get hurt, "How do we win baseball games?"
desert palm
I want neither of them to win shit
It’s right now you and the Orioles in the top two
desert palm
Judge and Stanton get hurt, "How do we win baseball games?"
Please DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED
celest zephyr
Ah gotcha
dim kettle
I still don't trust the o's pitching long term.
celest zephyr
I think they fall off later in the season
Can the al central not get a team?
Somehow a team is going to get like 82 wins and a playoff berth
robust grotto
i've come around to the knights
The league is such a better place with these two markets
dim kettle
They have a chance to make the Wild Card. But I don't think they go anywhere.
robust grotto
The west feels better now too
robust grotto
And getting Detroit and CBJ out of the west was huge for the league
celest zephyr
No clue who wins the west or central
robust grotto
Those fans suffered a lot of late night games
celest zephyr
Those fans suffered a lot of late night games
*Those fans suffer
dim kettle
Still think Chicago being in the west is stupid.
dim ledge
The league is such a better place with these two markets
I still dislike the kraken fyi. Like Seattle, dislike Kraken
dim ledge
Not as bad as Detroit being west lol
celest zephyr
Minnesota being west is really weird to me also
robust grotto
I still dislike the kraken fyi. Like Seattle, dislike Kraken
Fair
Minnesota west works, at least they are a central time zone team
dim kettle
If it wasn't for many of the Canadian teams, Chicago, St Paul, and Nashville would have no business being in the west
robust grotto
But Detroit and Columbus are both eastern time zone
robust grotto
Nashville is central time zone too. But if nhl expanded I would want a legit south east division again and Nashville would be in it
robust grotto
It’s really not, Minneapolis and Winnipeg aren’t far
hexed galleon
BLUD WANTS TO RECREATE HIS ULTIMATE TEAM ❓❗https://twitter.com/UtdPlug/status/1653778189917855744?s=19
Twitter
We need him.
celest zephyr
Yeah i guess
hexed galleon
All i want is for sheikh jassim to make the correct investments
dim kettle
Manitoba is litterally north of Minnesota
dim ledge
I like the jets in the playoffs man lol
celest zephyr
Forgot about the jets
dim ledge
Great support
celest zephyr
Given how muchn they barely do shit in the playoffs
Yeh and Alberta is close also it
Ig
robust grotto
I like the jets in the playoffs man lol
The whiteout dude
celest zephyr
Whiteout just like their team every year
dim ledge
Yessir
robust grotto
Bro I am begging Kevin Cheveldayoff to change the fucking team
And I’m not even a jets lover
dim kettle
Jets can only exist in today's game because of the salary cap.
celest zephyr
Just covered in ice shavings as they get absolutely cooked
desert palm
@dim kettle I think to end off, it’s nice that there’s such a huge movement to expand by a lot of these bids, but some of them are not realistic and as much as it’s nice that the Orlando Magic owner wants to do it, it’s way too much of a competing market with the Rays.
celest zephyr
While helle desperately tries to carry a terrible team
And begs every year to be on a team where he can actually win for his efforts
dim kettle
Still think its gonna be Portland and Nashville getting the expansions teams
celest zephyr
Yeah salary cap saving a lot of teams
desert palm
Still think its gonna be Portland and Nashville getting the expansions teams
I’m torn between Salt Lake and Portland but I agree on Nashville
celest zephyr
I don’t think there are close to as many in Canada without it
Like the habs, Canucks leafs oilers only for sure teams
Idk if the flames sens and jets would be viable
robust grotto
Jets really need Cole Perfetti and Brad Lambert to hit
celest zephyr
Maybe one team out of the flames and jets for that region but idk the oilers are just more popular
robust grotto
Canucks def have a big base
celest zephyr
Manitoba also probably ranks high on the provinces most people forget exist
rustic mountain
As you should
dim kettle
Sad that Quebec City couldn't survive another few years. And now they sit by seeing the Avs winning 3 cups afterward.
rustic mountain
But I am partial to Saskatchewan
desert palm
Sad that Quebec City couldn't survive another few years. And now they sit by see...
Kinda like Montreal with the nationals
robust grotto
The QC story is sad yeah
desert palm
Kinda like Montreal with the nationals
And the 2019 win
dim kettle
THey're still not over 94
desert palm
Yep
robust grotto
Expos fans 🤝 Me
desert palm
There were some people in Montreal that actually rooted for the nationals in the 2019 World Series, and they got scrutinized for it by there peers. It was in the news.
dim kettle
Man if this was hockey and the Habs were in the same spot the Expos were in and then the season went on strike, Montreal would be burnt to the ground.
desert palm
Man if this was hockey and the Habs were in the same spot the Expos were in and ...
The strike in the mid-2000s in the NHL what teams got heavily affected by it. What teams were like the expos basically
dim kettle
The Devils and Sens
desert palm
The Devils and Sens
Ah the team I betrayed
As a New Jerseyan, I’m a Rangers fan
Lol
dim kettle
Scott Stevens basically retired after the lockout year.
desert palm
That’s sad
desert palm
As a New Jerseyan, I’m a Rangers fan
And I got my just desserts this past playoffs 😔
dim kettle
And people forget how dominant the Sens were in the early 2000s. They ended up making a cup appearance a few years later. But 04-05 would've been a critical year for them
You could also throw in the Red Wings and Lightning into the discussion.
dim kettle
Just another 25 years guys, Rangers winning the cup.
robust grotto
Nice 👍
robust grotto
Just another 25 years guys, Rangers winning the cup.
So you mean, there’s a chance 
I’ll take baby
dim ledge
Reverse Fibonacci 
dim kettle
Of course, I've seen 3 cups in my short 24 year lifetime. Ranger fans only see one or 2 their lifetime.
dim kettle
Some are luckier than others
robust grotto
We’re talking about the rangers
dim kettle
Some people were alive when the Rangers won the cup in 1940 and than 94
dim kettle
Really the Rangers were a failure even with 6 teams
dim kettle
I couldn't imagine being a Ranger fan in the 80s seeing the Isles win all those cups.
dim kettle
At least you got one beforehand
dim kettle
Rangers: What draft picks? Lightning: What draft picks?
dim kettle
Oh right, the 24th pick
Gotta love looking at the bottom of the 1st round and seeing most of them being traded
robust grotto
Or 22 if Seattle and Florida move on ( I think )
dim kettle
Yeah
robust grotto
Either way idc, we have a mid to low prospect pool anyway. I’m telling ya now tho
rustic mountain
I wonder if people will hate of Seattle vs Vegas is the western final
robust grotto
NYR only have 4 picks this draft, I expect that to change
dim kettle
All to draft another Kakko baby
robust grotto
Oh I love Kakko
desert palm
How does the draft lotto work in the NHL in comparison to the MLB’s new draft lotto?
robust grotto
It just sucks that he was consensus second overall, like he will never live that top 3 pick hype
But I think he really has all the tools for be a solid fucking player
He’s arguably the best player on the team when it comes to puck handling in tight spaces and especially with board play
His frame is deceiving, it’s hard to take the puck away from him
One big problem w both Laf and Kakko though is the acceleration/ foot speed
dim kettle
How does the draft lotto work in the NHL in comparison to the MLB’s new draft lo...
Fairly similar. To be frank though, the lottery is really meaningless most years in both sports.
robust grotto
Like these are guys in their prime youth and you’d think they’d zip around the ice but… not really
desert palm
Fairly similar. To be frank though, the lottery is really meaningless most years...
Well, the MLB just did it so
dim kettle
Not like baseball teams can trade draft picks yet
robust grotto
Kakko and Rantanen both said they’re playing WC next week @dim ledge so that’s gonna be fun
dim ledge
desert palm
Not like baseball teams can trade draft picks yet
I don’t think they ever will
dim ledge
SUOMI
robust grotto
Gonna be really good for Kakko to get those top line minutes bro
He’s gonna get alot of puck touches, pp time, etc
desert palm
In the NHL are there restrictions to the lottery?
robust grotto
Get away from NYR for a little. Go refresh your hockey brain. Big fan. He will have a nice tourney
And Finland is the home country!! Actually his city is a host city as well 😉
dim kettle
I will never understand why we need a lottery in any sport. Teams are gonna tank anyways. Also the NBA one in particular is known to be rigged more times than not.
robust grotto
Him and Rantanen are both from Turku !
desert palm
Like in the MLB, if you are a revenue sharing payee for three consecutive years you can’t be in the lottery this was one of the stipulations to prevent tanking
dim kettle
Baseball and hockey are really sports that shouldn't need them. Getting the 1st pick doesn't get you the best player in that draft most years. Just ask Lafrenière.
robust grotto
Baseball and hockey have the longest paths
smoky fable
Baseball and hockey are really sports that shouldn't need them. Getting the 1st ...
Never considered that thought in hockey. Maybe it was the Matthews and McDavid selections that made me think getting the first pick was that crucial
hasty basin
I think so too which is crazy to think about
Not even a Jokic fan but it's pissing me off as an NBA fan lol
dim kettle
Never considered that thought in hockey. Maybe it was the Matthews and McDavid ...
McDavid and Matthews are so rare to come across though. And even then don't become the guys till years later. Around the same time a lot of star players get called up.
hasty basin
If the voters can be swayed that easily then....
dim kettle
Jack Hughes was playing day one and didn't start showing his star power till a few years ago.
robust grotto
He’s really incredible
celest zephyr
Idk man embiid was up there
Would it have been that many people having him as first on their ballet maybe not
But you can’t deny that embiid had an mvp caliber season
Jokic at best barely did better
Like idk it was by no means oh media made embiid win mvp
Marcus smart was a media narrative vote
Ain’t no way before the media went at it that he’d have won
dim kettle
I wouldn’t even say Stamkos was the guy until his 4th-5th year. Always was seen as the second guy behind St Louis until he was traded to NY.
robust grotto
Never considered that thought in hockey. Maybe it was the Matthews and McDavid ...
More often in the last 20 years the first overall has been at the very least a legit nhl first line / first pairing player. It’s played a part in recent cup teams for sure
celest zephyr
Like the disrespect against embiid is too far man
All the stats and team’s success point to him being a very worthy mvp
hasty basin
Idk man embiid was up there
No reason for Jokic to lose lol
He was ahead of the race
By a good margin
smoky fable
Like the disrespect against embiid is too far man
He doesn’t look right though.
hasty basin
And then boom
celest zephyr
Hé reallywasn’t ahead by much
hasty basin
Suddenly Embiid takes the lead
smoky fable
Injury still hampering him
celest zephyr
Really? From what I’ve seen they were very close
celest zephyr
Advanced stats love jokic butn man embiid is still top
hasty basin
Before then
celest zephyr
Nah i disagree
hasty basin
Jokic was like predicted
66%
To be the MVP
Embiid and Giannis were at like 14% or there
dim kettle
dim ledge
You like the move?
Big time
smoky fable
That’s good
celest zephyr
Yeah embiid is around the top in advanced stats
And the counting stats are all there
So like idk man
Jokic had a very good season for sure
hasty basin
hasty basin
Triple double and he has a bigger impact on the team than Embiid does
^This was actually very clear
By the record
celest zephyr
Idk i still don’t believe it was some media bs got him through
hasty basin
Yeah but what is the reason for Jokic to be leading
All the season
Not slowing down at all
Embiid not slowing down too
And then BOOM suddenly he's losing
It was also right after those Kendrick Perkins comments lmao
The timelines match up
celest zephyr
Kendrick Perkins ain’t that popular man
hasty basin
It's the media and the voters are listening in obviously
The whole world didn't need to hear his words
It's not like it took something insane to sway the voters
Anyone could have said those words
celest zephyr
Then it was very close all along?
hasty basin
No it wasn't that close
celest zephyr
But what they accomplished this season is close?
hasty basin
But what they accomplished this season is close?
Also not really
hasty basin
Ok team impact + averaging a triple double with insane efficiency
celest zephyr
And how does embiid not have a high team impact?
Like legit what evidence do you have to prove that
celest zephyr
And that’s the only stat that matters?
hasty basin
Sure it's not but you can show me the impact they have on the team
It's probably one of the most important things as a player
celest zephyr
Embiid is second in bpm, 4th in ws, 3rd in ws/48
But yeah he clearly has way less impact rofl
Third in vorp
hasty basin
The thing I want explained is
How does a man lead the MVP race
The whole season
Does NOT slow down
And lose it in the end
celest zephyr
Because hint hint they don’t vote until the end of the season?
hasty basin
So what swayed them
celest zephyr
Like mvp races aren’t done by people who necessarily have votes
hasty basin
If he didn't slow down
celest zephyr
Or that many of them
hasty basin
celest zephyr
Because people who vote and don’t talk a crap ton on national media like embiid?
And probability is determined by some random ass model man
celest zephyr
What stat is that even man
robust grotto
Knicks tn?
hasty basin
RAPTOR WAR
torn gale
Stats are ruining the game
torn gale
Advanced metrics are cancerous
celest zephyr
Agreed tbh
celest zephyr
Jokic’s defense gets highly overrated by advanced stats lol
Like does anyone who watches basketball think jokic has a similar defensive impact to embiid?
But raptor rates them about the same
Ain’t no way anyone with eyes and knows ball thinks jokic is alldefensive caliber
I love jokic but man advanced stats overrate the hell out of that guy
You’d think he’s god with some of them
But he really ain’t lmao
hasty basin
Yeah embiid is around the top in advanced stats
Well
celest zephyr
I’m saying that they exaggerate how good jokic is
Hé isn’t as dominant as they say
hasty basin
I'm just saying how the vote was influenced and how it has been done for years
Jimmy talks about it in the vid
There are some that are like yeah stats mattered here
celest zephyr
I really don’t think embiid needed some crazy media influence to win but okay man
robust grotto
celest zephyr
Okay but like how is this even close to Marcus smart bsing his way to dpoy?
celest zephyr
Like bruh dude wouldn’t have been a finalist if people didn’t overrate it
Yeah but idk man personally i still believe that iwasn’t some crazy ass hoax or bs
That made embiid win mvp
hasty basin
Well again I'll say
I don't have anything else to convince you apart from the vid
And that's it
From me
Brighton better start Mitoma for my FPL
celest zephyr
And the video starts by showing all three deserved it lol
hasty basin
And the video starts by showing all three deserved it lol
Yeah if you actually finish it
You'll see
It is a pretty good video tho
dim kettle
https://vxtwitter.com/fitzgsn_/status/1654175516377612292?s=46&t=0dPhD14zL5uzVVp...
The Mets after big offseason moves
https://youtu.be/ERJXgDf5SVY
celest zephyr
Part of it is also the nuggets losing skid to close out the year
They were playing about .500 ball for months
I like jimmy but it definitely feels likem kinda ironically dude has his own narrative he’s pushing
It’s not some mindblowing thing that the guy who was consistently number 2-3 in mvp tracking won mvp
And also as he mentioned had historic counting stats and even for advanced stats nerds was close in every metric barring raptor
celest zephyr
Yeah but the last few weeks include the end of the regular season
hasty basin
And it just so happens that the list that was released
celest zephyr
Like i get his point but to reducing it to predominantely media narrative to me makes zero sense
hasty basin
Right after the Kendrick Perkins comments changed everything?
It's too much of a concidence for me
celest zephyr
Idk that’s reading too much into it man
hasty basin
Obv he was number 2
Even for me
That shit was somehow everywhere
I don't like Perkins but he somehow got that statement popular
celest zephyr
The nuggets have been 22-18 since the start of the new year
So yeah that’s months of barely over .500 ball
From January to early April
But clearly that only happened weeks ago LOL
So for the entire second half of the season from my counting they went 23-18
hasty basin
And Embiid should have led atleast once before.
Did they just go 22-0
And then 22-18
How about this
hasty basin
Embiid didn't win because of Perkins
But Jokic lost because of Perkins
Bc
It does not matter who was 2nd
It would obviously be them above Jokic
celest zephyr
Man idk they could have played better for over 3 months???????
hasty basin
And Embiid should lead once no? atleast once if Jokic IS slowing down
If it's close especially lol
celest zephyr
But even jimmy said embiid did?
Like there’s a screenshot in the video clearly showing embiid as ranked number 1
hasty basin
Like there’s a screenshot in the video clearly showing embiid as ranked number 1
That's after the Kendrick Perkins comment
Lmao
That's the thing
celest zephyr
If anything it shows Tatum got shafted hard lmao
weak gull
The nuggets have been 22-18 since the start of the new year
30-17
hasty basin
Tatum also had a historic season but other 3 were just better
celest zephyr
I ddin’t include the playoffs?
weak gull
Way more games than that after New Years
sweet tree
I thought jokic was gonna win tbf
weak gull
I didn’t either lol
hasty basin
Narratives mean just as much as stats.
celest zephyr
Also but huh there have been 57 games
Even if i fucked up that’d be 30-27
Which is still close to .500 lol
Wait no I’m dumb
weak gull
After New Year’s Day teams typically play 45-47 games
weak gull
It’s all good, your argument in general is still solid imo
Honestly it could’ve gone to anyone, but narratives are becoming more and more important unfortunately.
celest zephyr
Yeah for sure man
I can’t deny that part
It’s reductionist to reduce it to mainly narrative but it’s a bigger part than it used to be
Before it was great stats and a cool story
Now its really like people pushing who they think is better
Yeh that’s my point at the end. Still derped by wasting too much time on it, but like yeh jokic giannis embiid all were incredible
Really wouldn’t have been mad any way it went
hasty basin
What's done is done now lol
No one can change it so yep
I just dont wanna see it happen in the future
And fire fucking Perkins man
smoky fable
And fire fucking Perkins man
ESPN wants instigators like that sadly
hasty basin
I know but that's a little too much lol
If I see something like that happening to an OKC player idek what I'll do
Not like Russ didn't get slandered enough for padding his stats
Wtf
near spade
hello sports
are any of the following teams good right now
Pacers, Blazers, Magic, Bulls
burnt cedar
https://twitter.com/upshottowers/status/1654096674099216384?s=46&t=CCMkll4_RIdEL...
Cardiff City legend
weak gull
Pacers, Blazers, Magic, Bulls
Nope…bulls are the best out the bunch but are mid
hasty basin
I guess Magic are ok sorta
celest zephyr
I just dont wanna see it happen in the future
Yeah I agree there
People gotta vote less with narrative and recency bias
Why I also really dislike how they do ladders based mostly on what a team did that week
hasty basin
Thank god Chet is american atleast
hasty basin
JJ Redick is gonna be a great analyst
near spade
Nope…bulls are the best out the bunch but are mid
no worries, thank you
hasty basin
Omg embiid drops cuz he went 2-2 this week!!!!!
He's obviously getting because he's a black african!
To reverse the story
celest zephyr
Yeah that’s complete lunacy also
celest zephyr
I hate ESPN’s coverage of everything
hasty basin
I hate ESPN’s coverage of everything
Yeah...
Thank god for JJ redick being there tho
celest zephyr
At least jj has some logic
hasty basin
I haven't seen him
Instigating things
Just a solid analyzer
God protect him from ESPN
hasty basin
Yep
burnt cedar
4th player to injure their ACL this season https://twitter.com/arsenalwfc/status/1654048325191057410?s=46&t=WKr2c8FXXCGX_mZe2fR74w
Twitter
clever sonnet
Anyone watches football here?
robust grotto
robust grotto
No medal for them this year Lmfao
robust grotto
Conor Garland, a bunch of college kids, AHL level goaltending
celest zephyr
Bruh i don’t even know most of the guys they have there
Over under on the us giving up 4 goals per game with that goaltending lmaooo
robust grotto
Legit it’s Tuch and Garland lmfao. And then like RANDOM depth nhl guys like Bonino, Drew O’Connor, Nick Perbix
celest zephyr
Bonino bonino bonino
robust grotto
Sean Farrell is a high MTL prospect. Coronado is a high Flames one
celest zephyr
Good more players for both teams to ruin
robust grotto
Cutter was just drafted 5th I think? To Philly
robust grotto
Samberg is a jet I believe, Henry Thrun just signed with the sharks. Big college prospect
I recognize some. They went really young
All the Ranger Americans looked at that roster and said “I’ll stay home this summer”
celest zephyr
I’d stay home also if i was actually good
Imagine going to Finland just to carry scrubs
Nhl actually gotta find a tourney in the offseason
Or let people go to the Olympics
But they refuse to expand their game
robust grotto
I still support their stance on no Olympics
But I’ve said it a thousand times there’s no need to go into it. I def agree tho
smoky fable
Pacers, Blazers, Magic, Bulls
No
celest zephyr
Orlando magic???????
Bruh didn you just pick four teams that’d cause the most suffering
hasty basin
Magic let's goo
smoky fable
I'll be ride or die Magic for the time being then
That’s fair. You get Siren and Buc with you as Magic fans so that’s good.
hasty basin
Goatga Bitadze
smoky fable
Hope for the Victor Wembenyama sweepstake