You managed to ruin la roca 
#sports
hasty basin
Lmao idk about Sorloth being the sole striker vs Mourinho's roma
Gonna be interesting
sweet tree
you honestly really need PnP to win the UCL tbh
we need more pacey wingers
bayern look unreal tbh
hasty basin
You really need to get
burnt cedar
But not the worst team
burnt cedar
Yeah he should have got a chance today
burnt cedar
The city mistake was the downfall
hasty basin
Yep and then vs us
Well the goals weren't his fault but
Didnt Ben White sub on for him?
burnt cedar
Tbf he’s useless going forward
hasty basin
And he scored off the bench
burnt cedar
So it wasn’t really any need for him on the pitch
He practically is a cb playing rb
Like white
hasty basin
Yep
Actually now that I think about it
Is that the new meta?
Dan Burn also been great
At LB
Well was I guess
robust grotto
You managed to ruin la roca <:UsoppGrief:934036033098625024>
That season was cursed and no joke Sanchez was fucking awful
I’m sorry lmfao
short flame
That season was cursed and no joke Sanchez was fucking awful
Was it after 2018 or before?
hasty basin
Damn Goncalves
short flame
What’s wrong with team of the week 
Imagine being player of the week and not making the team
hasty basin
Why are you looking at fantasy team of the week 
short flame
Why are you looking at fantasy team of the week <:KataOmegaLUL:63886473462349827...
I saw it in Facebook
hasty basin
That's not the official UCL one idk where to find it
That's literally just based off fantasy football points
short flame
It’s the one they published
short flame
It’s not fair
hasty basin
Muller got picked as POTM because he played well
It's based off statistics
It is fair
short flame
Thomas should be on 26 the numbers on there
hasty basin
It's not based on how good they played, it's based on how much they scored, if they kept a CS, et
Eetc
short flame
It's not based on how good they played, it's based on how much they scored, if t...
Unfortunately
hasty basin
Tackles?
short flame
Why should he
Because he’s the best
short flame
If Gonzalo gets 13 points then surely the raumdeuter gets minimum double
hasty basin
He scored 2 goals
Simple as that
Not anything more to it
Not anything less
Oh yeah he got an assist as well
short flame
Then don’t nominate him 
hasty basin
Nominate? for what
short flame
Player of the week
hasty basin
That wasn't from his point gain lol
That's what I'm saying
The TOTW you showed me is from fantasy game
short flame
Oh the 2 aren’t related?
short flame
They were both published by uefa
hasty basin
They just see whoever played the best
Fantasy football is just analytical stats
It doesnt go indepth
Like you score 3 goals and miss 100 big chances?
No big deal
short flame
Like you score 3 goals and miss 100 big chances?
So Darwin gets 20 points?
hasty basin
Ye
short flame
And Thomas gets 0
hasty basin
I think they still get + points for being MOTM but it wasn't enough
To push him into TOTW by points
short flame
I think they still get + points for being MOTM but it wasn't enough
Should be +10
The stats really don’t know how to rate Thomas. He’s so misunderstood 
short flame
That's why it's important to watch the games
People who watch the games know he’s the best in the world
sweet tree
saliba scored
rustic ore
I love the man and I will harbor no ill will towards him for testing his market at his age
If he does leave all I can hope for is that he goes to a contender to get a chance at another ring, he deserves it
smoky fable
If he does leave all I can hope for is that he goes to a contender to get a chan...
I hope he gets paid if he doesn’t go to a contender
He should have gotten more respect from the league. He was that good
smoky fable
@simple seal
hasty basin
Michail Antonio brace damn
rustic mountain
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1633872206185758726
A white receiver who could be had for a decent price?? I hear Bill already dialing Theilen's agent's number
smoky fable
sporting cooking
Seems competitive
smoky fable
A white receiver who could be had for a decent price?? I hear Bill already diali...
He said he wanted a top tier qb
You said it best about that
rustic mountain
All I'll say is money talks
If he truly wants that and that's it sure
But New England I think has the 4th most money to spend this free agency, so I'll be interested to see what happens
celest zephyr
Better than most other wrs he can have
Maybe you could get capitan Kirk
To be your qb
And keep the Kirk thielen duo
And he can’t make fun of Kirk for not being top tier
rustic mountain
Eh I think we are stuck with Mac at least for the rest of this year
I think this will be his put or shut up year
Same for Bill
2020 was no Brady, 21 was Mac's rookie year, 22 we had no OC. So this is the year. No more excuses
celest zephyr
Yeah
Not the worst
Lot of QBs in that class with something to prove
Can Zach Wilson even béa starting qb on any team? Is trey lance even good? Does Mac Jones have something in him this upcoming season?
Man that could be a really bad class
At least kyler’s class is worse lol
rustic mountain
It could be an awful class or it could surprise us
I don't think Wilson is gonna be anything at all other than the biggest bust since Jamarcus Russel
fluid moat
Forgot United was playing
solid dagger
I don't want to jinx it but we should be up 
celest zephyr
I don't think Wilson is gonna be anything at all other than the biggest bust sin...
Me neither
Yeah for sure
Daniel jones managed to be half decadent
Decent
After sucking ass for a while
dawn tapir
Texans..
sweet tree
de gea is so lucky
hasty basin
Yeah lol
burnt cedar
Antony
hasty basin
Wtf Antony
hasty basin
3-1
hasty basin
Betis
solid dagger
1-1
hexed galleon
BEUNOOOOOOOO
hexed galleon
3-1 right?
sweet tree
yes
solid dagger
VAR PLEASE
hexed galleon
for what
sweet tree
the first 2 goals were nice
solid dagger
YEAH BABY
fluid moat
Antony disappearing for 4 games straight only to score a random banger
rustic ore
@hasty mesa @robust grotto
celest zephyr
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/819396907256381460/1083496414149091518/...
Getting paid more per year than tds he threw before the deal
What an elite qb
Having less tds in 3 seasons than mahomes can get in one season
solid dagger
Chiesa injured
FUCJ
FUCK
Please get up
Please please please please
He's out
FUCK
hasty basin
?
hasty basin
4-1
solid dagger
He's playing
I hope he doesn't get injured even more
I'm gonna commit unspeakable acts if he's injured for a long time
sweet tree
4-1 it's a wrap
smoky fable
celest zephyr
Vikings suck
solid dagger
It's over
I would've preferred a second goal but oh well
Let's hope Chiesa is alright
hasty basin
Shit ass plauer
The phrase shit guy finally scored was made for him
sweet tree
he even did the knee slide
nimble onyx
hasty mesa
40 mil a year QB btw
Rushing QB….. right?
Anyway stats don’t mean all but yeah he needs to pass more (hopefully to better people)
smoky fable
<@216582410756685824> SF makes out nicely as expected
Good lord
Three third rounders
rustic ore
I mean they need them, the picks that would've been their original 1st - 3rd are all gone to other teams cause of trades
Their original 1 went to Miami in the Trey Lance trade up (and has since been passed around like a hot potato) and their original 2 and 3 are going to Carolina because of the CMC trade
dim ledge
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1633953915531149314
This is good?
rustic ore
I mean considering how SF keeps hitting on mid round picks I would say very good
robust grotto
Never hit the ice… but is a gem regardless. Also cool to see this one pop up on my timelines so I had to share
celest zephyr
I mean considering how SF keeps hitting on mid round picks I would say very good
Nice
Good depth pieces
All the niners really need
Yeah without those picks any mid round picks are nice
Thirds are the highest they have right now
The one perk of having talent being poached so often
dim kettle
dim ledge
Never hit the ice… but is a gem regardless. Also cool to see this one pop up on ...
i am genuinely impressed by how well the monochrome works for them
wow
short flame
Never hit the ice… but is a gem regardless. Also cool to see this one pop up on ...
the symbol on the sleave is better than their real symbol
robust grotto
i am genuinely impressed by how well the monochrome works for them
Love the black / blue checkered pattern too
robust grotto
the symbol on the sleave is better than their real symbol
Agree
short flame
Linda scored her first goal for real in extra time of her first official game. making the country proud
dim kettle
Sam Rosen, Howie Rose, and Doc Emrick. The Kings of MSG play-by-play guys.
robust grotto
Blessed w announcers
short flame
Martin Biron and Henrik Lundqvist as well
dim kettle
Almost forgot Rick Jeanneret
short flame
Legend
celest zephyr
Nfl looks more and more sketchy than before
Idk anymore. Feels increasingly scripted
Mahomes is the golden boy and they’ll somehow try to finagle him to winning many super bowls to come
celest zephyr
https://youtu.be/RkTSXXF7L8k
Glad he’s doing other sports. Finding it harder to stomach nfl content by the year
robust grotto
@short flame Greenway ?!
robust grotto
Oh we’re losing, like always lately
celest zephyr
What is the nhl doing with their sechdding
robust grotto
All good, still 40 minutes
celest zephyr
So many days with barely any games that are mostly or entirely shit
celest zephyr
What genius logic just overload some days and do shit on other days
Even better when they do it on Friday night
robust grotto
They have to give Canadian teams home games on Saturday for HNIC too
celest zephyr
The nhl somehow makes Fridays awful
robust grotto
Lmao yay
celest zephyr
I am honestly amazed at how the nhl puts their shit games on days with little games
The smart move would be to cover the shit games with other games
celest zephyr
The nba does a better job of having bunches of games on each day
Often not something like 10plus but usually at least like 6-9 games a day
Whereas the nhl has a lot of 4 or less days coupled with a bunch of 10plus game days
short flame
<@702887230217125928> Greenway ?!
My bad I went away after the 3-0
let's pretend he has a buffalo shirt
robust grotto
Whereas the nhl has a lot of 4 or less days coupled with a bunch of 10plus game ...
I see, they often do that lol
torn gale
?
short flame
<@702887230217125928> I’m so sorry
to be expected
don't worry about it
we don't have defenders
robust grotto
Not 9 tho
short flame
dahlin and power were horrible today
robust grotto
short flame
is it 9
short flame
I left at 7
robust grotto
9-4 rn
robust grotto
Nah idc lmao
robust grotto
..
celest zephyr
Man there;’s still a shot
There’s growth at least
To build on
And east has a lot of old teams
Pens and caps aren’t getting better
Isles idk but don’t seem like they are getting. A lot better
short flame
Man there;’s still a shot
well this was our game with one of the 2 decent keepers. I already know we're losing every game with ukko pekka so these games with craig and commie are the only thing I look up to. and if we're losing this we're done. I also feel as if this season we're not aiming further, which is the decision and I have to respect it but I really think getting a decent defender and goalie was necessary. I'm still sad about Quick
short flame
To build on
yeah but we're likely losing craig and okpokun next season, it won't get better, maybe if everyone else is horrible we stand a chance. and jeff is not getting any younger
short flame
well this was our game with one of the 2 decent keepers. I already know we're lo...
add to that the fact that Tuch is out for a couple of weeks
robust grotto
dim kettle
Am I reading that right? 10 goals?
celest zephyr
yeah but we're likely losing craig and okpokun next season, it won't get better,...
Just got to believe
The Sacramento kings have finally gotten good
dim kettle
Players will want to play for the Sabres next year. It's only a question about long term goaltending and developing the defense.
short flame
Just got to believe
This year I believed until I saw our recruitment and realised they're ok with not making the playoffs
short flame
Players will want to play for the Sabres next year. It's only a question about l...
We need a good starter and backup keeper (commie can stay at third), a lot of defenders, 2 good forwards to replace okpokun and just in case jeff goes or one of the front get injured. it's a lot and they'll not invest in the team. Not sure people will want to come, specially defenders
celest zephyr
Idk man
Players have wanted to go to teams like the sens and blue jackets
Who aren’t the best destinations
Or Calgary
Can’t say Buffalo is for sure worse than them
dim kettle
Tage Thompson has been of the best rising players in the league, Players will want to play with him.
short flame
Maybe
I'm not in a positive mood right now
I don't have a good feeling
This year really felt like it was the moment to do it
I don't see anyone being an improvement on craig or okpokun in the league
robust grotto
The drafting needs to be a little better but I can see Buffalo finally finding themselves in the near future
They’ll sign a bigger name this summer too, watch
dim kettle
From a Bolts fan who saw a rebuild. Just some young teams can sneak into the playoffs one year than back to shit the next. Gonna take time to get consistently good enough to make the playoffs. Especially in the Atlantic
short flame
They’ll sign a bigger name this summer too, watch
no one bigger than quick
dim kettle
I still like the idea of Blackwood coming there. Thought he's pretty underrated in NJ.
short flame
From a Bolts fan who saw a rebuild. Just some young teams can sneak into the pla...
Yeah but as the drought get bigger and bigger, it's harder to have hopes. we've been rebuilding 12 years. I don't know how much more we can fail, we're already a joke to the league, they don't take us seriously. And we may have a lot of young players, the core of the team are the 3-4 strong veterans + dahlin, those who are not staying long and are not replaceable
dim kettle
I think the Bolts made it to the ECF in 2011 with the last prime days of St Louis and Lecavalier. And then 2011 and 2012 were pretty much back to where the Sabres are pretty much now. Like I said, some teams get lucky and get a taste of it early while others don't.
short flame
I still like the idea of Blackwood coming there. Thought he's pretty underrated ...
Yeah I like him, good backup forward, has been feeling the void left by tuch lately, he will be good for the third trio in the future
short flame
I think the Bolts made it to the ECF in 2011 with the last prime days of St Loui...
if we're relying on luck we might as well call it a day
dim kettle
Can't exactly blame you on that. Reputations are there for a reason.
short flame
But I asked for this so I can't complain
I just wished the team felt like they were trying to push for a place
celest zephyr
Man the kings haven’t made the playoffs for like 16 years
And now they are legit contenders
Some times it just takes a while
celest zephyr
The drafting needs to be a little better but I can see Buffalo finally finding t...
The Atlantic is getting old also
Bruins, Lightning, Panthers
Tkachuk trade makes them younger but the panthers are still an older roster
short flame
Man the kings haven’t made the playoffs for like 16 years
they've made the playoffs 4 times in the past 8 years (3 in 7 plus current one)
celest zephyr
Sacramento kings
Panthers just won a round and they didn’t this century beforehand
dim kettle
The Lightning will be contending for another decade. The Leafs also if things work out. I think the biggest threats rn in the future are the Wings and Sabres if everything works out for them. The Panthers I just don't see their celling being any bigger.
celest zephyr
Leafs made the playoffs in like 2013
The lightning will but they certain;y aren’t getting better
celest zephyr
And then they didn’t make it for a few years after
Fair enough with the lgihtning’
They have some nice younger pieces
Who they just extended
Leafs hahahhahaahhhaahhaah
This might be the last season lol
Or second last
Either way the leafs short term future is completely unknown
dim kettle
Really depends on how the Lightning go through trades and depth. Feels like a Pens thing in the late 2000s where they looked like they were a 2nd round exit team and then 2016 and 2017 happen.
celest zephyr
Have to wait for this free agency cycle
Yeah lightning look good but idk how good they’ll be once kuch and Stamkos retire
short flame
The Lightning will be contending for another decade. The Leafs also if things wo...
yeah but with the 3 at the top are not doable at the moment, canadiens are going to build this summer, that's going to leave us with one place if everyone else does bad
celest zephyr
Vasi is really good now but idk how good he’ll be closer to 10 years from now
dim kettle
This might be the last season lol
I'm really talking about Matthews situation. If he stays or looks elsewhere, it will change how the Leafs look in the future.
celest zephyr
Not just Matthews also marner and nylander are going up fast
Within the next 2 years after this one
short flame
I'm really talking about Matthews situation. If he stays or looks elsewhere, it ...
maybe if matthews comes we will stand a chance
celest zephyr
Plus trade restrictions after this season
dim kettle
I'm really forward to the Yotes memes.
short flame
smoky fable
I'm really talking about Matthews situation. If he stays or looks elsewhere, it ...
Matthews to AZ
celest zephyr
Matthews is good but idk they won’t be contenders for a bit even if they keep him without marner and nylander
smoky fable
I'm really forward to the Yotes memes.
They’re coming
short flame
are you saying the 3 of them may leave?
celest zephyr
They could
dim kettle
Really the only good thing Arizona ever done for the hockey world.
smoky fable
Really the only good thing Arizona ever done for the hockey world.
You don’t like the college rink they have?
Or their moves?
celest zephyr
It’s certainly not a certainty any of them have stayed
dim kettle
Dude, that place looked like an AHL game.
short flame
Let me see how much money we have, we could use a third trio
celest zephyr
Man I’d go to my uni if i wanted to see a college rink
Or the uni I’m going to in fall
smoky fable
Dude, that place looked like an AHL game.
I’m aware. I’m saying it in jest
celest zephyr
Can’t imagine guys want to stay on this losing ship called the leafs
dim kettle
I don't hate that the Yotes are doing the moves they're doing. I'm mad at the NHL for enforcing shit on the Rangers who are competing and just allowing a tanking team like the Yotes to take on dead contracts and also saying teams don't tank.
short flame
I don't hate that the Yotes are doing the moves they're doing. I'm mad at the NH...
teams don't tank
yotes are pushing for the title
thrust me
\
dim kettle
Of course they're pushing for a cup. The Toilet Cup.
short flame
how can gary be treated seriously if he doesn't even try to solve problems. there are ways to regulate tanking instead of pretending it doesn't exist
celest zephyr
You know not having a lottery
celest zephyr
Of course they're pushing for a cup. The Toilet Cup.
Thé tank bowl
short flame
You know not having a lottery
I gave my idea
dim kettle
Hey now, this isn't the NFL.
short flame
bottom 8 don't get a chance at the first pick
short flame
because they're too shit
celest zephyr
Hey now, this isn't the NFL.
The dirt cup
dim kettle
I'll never get the lottery in any sport that does this shit. You look at the numbers and realize it hurts the league more than helps.
dim kettle
Like, the Cleveland Browns in the NFL should be used as the only reason why the NFL doesn't have a lottery.
short flame
Just have teams select based on position
so who gets first pick?
dim kettle
No matter the top picks, the Browns will find a way to not get the best player available.
short flame
I can't take that team seriously
celest zephyr
It’s inevitable with a draft
dim kettle
If we didn't have a lottery, than the Jackets would have the 1st pick
celest zephyr
I’d be fine with that
short flame
why are they named after a family guy character
celest zephyr
They are a comedy so good enough
dim kettle
why are they named after a family guy character
It's the other way around.
short flame
~~It's the other way around.~~
let me make fun of them
the shit teams should get the shit players they deserved
dim kettle
A lottery is only gonna make teams tank harder. It's been proven in the NBA.
short flame
why, you're shit you can lose every game and wait the season out
and then cash in in your player
celest zephyr
There is a draft lol
As long as you have a better chance at getting good players by sucking teams will suck
short flame
that's why I don't like drafts in general
celest zephyr
More teams tank when there’s a chance that more teams can get. A high pick
short flame
but if you're going to do it, give it to the teams that tried
celest zephyr
Well then how do teams add talent ?
short flame
17th team gets first pick
dim kettle
Tanking is a difficult thing to really do honestly. While, yes, a GM can make a roster bare minimum to look like they're tanking, but the coaches or players aren't out there to lose on purpose. Not every team is like the Sam Hinkie 76ers.
short flame
Well then how do teams add talent ?
they go look for it
celest zephyr
Yeah but the issue is that how do bad teams get better
And how do they do that without a draft lol
short flame
Tanking is a difficult thing to really do honestly. While, yes, a GM can make a ...
then what is saint louis doing
celest zephyr
Thé issue is teams only look into talent because they can draft them
short flame
is he really just bad?
celest zephyr
They wouldn’t have access otherwise
short flame
Yeah but the issue is that how do bad teams get better
they invest, they build from what they can recruit
celest zephyr
It’s not like football where the level of scouting goes way before they turn 18
Who do you even know to recruit lol
short flame
It’s not like football where the level of scouting goes way before they turn 18
that's why you need better scouts
short flame
They can’t just run around junior leagues
why not?
celest zephyr
They do have scouts
Because of how many teams there are
And teams don’t have that much access
short flame
there's more teams in football and they still manage
celest zephyr
Because the feeder system is so much more robust
short flame
they have to look all over the world
celest zephyr
Another thing is you can poach talent from other teams also
There’s teams who develop talent and ship it off
Plus a lot of teams have academys
And teams where they have younger players
So yeah obv if they play games where that team or other teams can see when they are younger its easier to see them
You can’t just go to a high school and scout guys there lol
That’d interfere with the school
And college scouts are already there
short flame
There’s teams who develop talent and ship it off
yeah but an nhl team wouldn't do that
celest zephyr
Exactly how it makes it harder
Especially with how long nhl players take to develop
It’d be super hard to find who has potential without a draft
short flame
but the ahl, chl, lhjmq are already there
dim kettle
It's the nature of the game. Teams have a window of contention in once that window is closed, most teams will rebuild the foundation through trades and the draft. The Sabres were one of those teams too. They just happened to fuck it up hence this cycle of rebuilding up to this point.
celest zephyr
Also why would guys go to bad teams ???
short flame
you can recruit from there
celest zephyr
Thé issue is with as salary cap you can’t pay them that much
So why would a player want to get barely paid to go to a. Shit team
dim kettle
Then you have the cap which makes GMs push to develop more depth.
short flame
It's the nature of the game. Teams have a window of contention in once that wind...
but what I don't like is that you're giving good players to mediocre teams. you don't try to win, you don't get good players, simple as that
celest zephyr
But then how do you try to win with no talent?
You can’t just magic a good feeder system
If no promising talents want to come there
short flame
You can’t just magic a good feeder system
you invest
celest zephyr
Easier said than done and teams already inverts
dim kettle
On the surface. Yeah, bad teams are getting elite young players. But this needs to be said. Just because bad teams can get young talent doesn't mean they're 100% are gonna get the best talent available.
celest zephyr
Bad and mediocre teams have to get better. Good teams getting stronger doesn’t help parity
Or make the league interesting
short flame
They have to get better by trying harder not by being helped out
celest zephyr
Yeah that’s the thing with a draft. You are still gambling on players
Trying harder????? If only you could win just by truing lol
short flame
you just play shit and then get gifted a player that will save you
dim kettle
Literally Kuch and Point you know key pieces of the Bolts top line were 3rd round picks.
celest zephyr
But that rarely happens lol
You still have to draft well
And especially with the nhl its a lot deeper
Also maybe you forget how many teams there are in the NCAA
It’s like hundreds lol
And that’s just div 1
dim kettle
I've seen the Yotes pick in the lottery so many times over the years and yet one appearance in the WCF in 2012. Like clearly the draft isn't this goldmine so many teams tank are hoping for
celest zephyr
^^^^
Exactly the draft has never been a miracle worker anyways
You still have to get the right players and develop them
short flame
yeah but look at blue jackets now, they suck and then they'll get bedard and be ok. they should get punished for being bad not helped out. If I'm bad at my job, I get fired not given a bonus so I can become better
celest zephyr
It just ensures teams actually have a shot to get talent
Thatdoesnj’t happen though
Thé oilers haven’t won a ring despite having mcdrai
Thé leafs got Matthews and they haven’t won a round
short flame
Thé leafs got Matthews and they haven’t won a round
but they would be even worse without them
celest zephyr
Oh wow no shit they’d be worse without talent lol
short flame
and I know about getting bad picks, we got eichel ffs
I know the draft isn't a miracle
dim kettle
The Jackets really couldn't help themselves. They got hurt. And even they didn't get hurt, it wasn't that they're losing on purpose its the fact that Brad Larsen had lost that locker room. They're a case where the worst team is the one who weren't even trying to tank from the beginning.
celest zephyr
And yeah bad gms and coaches and scouts get fired
It’s not like they keep their jobs after sucking
Lol
So that doesn’t necessarily work
Yeah sometimes shit just goers south
Even if a team doersn’t intend to suck
short flame
but look at montreal
they're all so casual at the moment
I see interviews they're not even trying
short flame
they should get punished for tanking
dim kettle
Yeah, let's look at Montreal, a team passing the days of Price and a regime wanting to get their own guys instead of guys from the Bergevin era.
short flame
Yeah, let's look at Montreal, a team passing the days of Price and a regime want...
they're just waiting for bedard
celest zephyr
Oh they do though. Not many tanking teams actually win in the future
Blowing up your culture and getting rid of talent hasn’t worked out that often
dim kettle
If they get him, they get him. The team is not built to contend at the moment.
short flame
and yet teams still do it every year
dim kettle
We don't even know if Bedard will be the guy or not.
short flame
there should be an incentive to have teams push hard every season
dim kettle
Even with his already proven stats.
celest zephyr
And again without a draft that wouldn’t help them scout
It’d be even worse
It’s a league. Teams have to be better or worse. There isn’t regulation
dim kettle
Took Stamkos years to become a bigger star than St Louis.
celest zephyr
How can every team push hard lol? Some teams are going to better and some are going to be worse
Can’t expect young teams to suddenly be able to win games also
Coaches and players don’t tank to begin with
Not like they dopmn’t try to win
Or push hard
short flame
Like I don't want relegation in hockey but we have that in football and even the shit teams keep pushing and investing to save their season because otherwise they get ejected from the league. You create a reason to push for not finishing last. You want your teams to all be trying, not have 12 teams casually on standby for next season
dim kettle
It's all about instant gratification. Which that can't be helped for some people. But I've seen how a Stanley Cup hockey club is build with my own eyes through Tampa. You gotta be patient and lose before you can be good enough through the farm and trades.
celest zephyr
^^^^^
short flame
because even if you don't tank, after a point teams don't have anything to push towards to, they just start building for next season, I find that boring
celest zephyr
Football teams are patient it just often doesn’t show up in terms of the highest level of the team
Young guys who make the roster obviously are developed for years before getting to that point
short flame
Coaches and players don’t tank to begin with
they don't push as hard as they would if they were in a playoff race
celest zephyr
Because it isn’t a participation award?
There are playoffs
Like idk man i get your point but its clear that you are just used to another system
And not how the nhl or even North American sports really work typically
short flame
yeah and there's like 12 teams in the league who aren't even trying to make the playoffs
dim kettle
I honestly think tanking get's this bad rep because teams like Sam Hinkie had made it a mockery through the process now over 7 years ago. 99% of the time, players and coaches are not gonna lose on purpose. It's just that the rosters are build to tank. Which that's only on paper.
celest zephyr
^^^^^^
Ofc they might not give it 100% but they for sure try to win every time
And its still demoralizing to lose a lot of games
Sure the team at the surface might look like they don’t care. however the guys for sure do care
dim kettle
I look at baseball. I saw the Pirates and Orioles try this half competing window open BS which only lead to worst outcomes and delaying the inevitable.
celest zephyr
Half competing is worse in a league like the nhl yeah’
Being decent to mediocre just makes them worse
The flyers suck because they haven’t committed to tanking
short flame
Like idk man i get your point but its clear that you are just used to another sy...
I know I am and I'm not trying to take that system and change it, we also have a playoff system in colombia, only the top 8 out of 20 make it so it's even harder to make it but there's also reasons to push to not finish at the bottom. Like I just think there should be an incentive to not finish at the bottom. no idea what but the higherups should try something. I'm just a fan, I don't have the knowledge to give any ideas
celest zephyr
Thé penguins and caps are on their way to mediocrity
dim kettle
You saw it with the Wings in the 2010s. Like tell me how well that worked out for Holland there?
celest zephyr
I know I am and I'm not trying to take that system and change it, we also have a...
Lottery is trying to help, but yeah they should
Idk its just really hard lol
To balance having talent being spread and not rewarding sucking for. Years in a row
short flame
To balance having talent being spread and not rewarding sucking for. Years in a ...
like what buffalo did the past 12 years is shameful even as a fan of the team, specially that mcsauce year and we should have been held accountable (and we did look at us now) and it should be the case for every team that just pushes to get a top pick by tanking
dim kettle
If a foundation is flawed or getting old beyond repair. You have to rebuild that and start new. We're literally on a OP server an aging team is like the Going Merry. No matter how much you try to force it continue moving forward the shit is gonna break on it's own.
short flame
If a foundation is flawed or getting old beyond repair. You have to rebuild that...
don't bring my baby merry in this 
celest zephyr
If a foundation is flawed or getting old beyond repair. You have to rebuild that...
Yeah its just rhe right move in terms of team building
Youjncan’t try to win forever
Also in your case then leagues just happen to have teams that are actually competitive and teams that flirt with regulation
But domn’t actually try to make a run at being one of the best
Is it really better when like 2-3 teams dominate a league for over a decade?
short flame
Yeah its just rhe right move in terms of team building
I get that sometimes you have to rebuild, it's part of a process but you rebuild while also trying at the same time. just my personal opinion on the matter, I want my players regardless of if they're good bad young or old to go give their 3000% each game
short flame
Also in your case then leagues just happen to have teams that are actually compe...
there's flaws in every sport but you can try to make it better. obviously a team winning 5 champions in a row isn't the solution but you can try to find a way to be equal while also not making teams from the bottom just relax
like in football it's the middle teams that are just there, not pushing for anything while the top 6 and bottom 6 are actually trying as hard as they can for their personal objectives
dim kettle
Everyone is different to how they react to it. I think to a Marlins fan in baseball, they just are tired of rebuilding. But the draft itself is not the problem. Rebuilding teams are normally gonna get their guys, build the team, and they're back to competing. But with teams like the Sabres and even the Devils for awhile. They simply fucked up the rebuilds hence why they've both had multiple 1st overall picks the last decade.
Teams are like businesses. The ones that succeed are the ones that look at the bigger picture instead of the present.
celest zephyr
Again players do give it their all
Maybe not to that extend but they certainly are trying hard
dim kettle
A lot of those guys are looking for bigger contracts, so they're trying.
short flame
Maybe not to that extend but they certainly are trying hard
but they'd be trying harder if they had something to push for
celest zephyr
It’s not real axing lol . Any team which does it just going to suck
Well yeah but you can’t give everyone something to push for
Also like what can they push for lol?
That’d make their teams better
short flame
Also like what can they push for lol?
maybe if they knew if they finished in the bottom they would get shit picks, they would try harder
again, I'm just talking, I don't have a solution, I just think it's something that is worth discussing
dim kettle
But this is why Bettman and Roger Goodell can actively say teams don't tank. Because, no matter how obvious it seems, you can't 100% accuse a team of losing on purpose in the games itself. The players and coaches aren't getting money bonus from the GM or owner to lose on purpose.
Or else, we'd be having a Black Sox scandal almost every week
short flame
Or else, we'd be having a Black Sox scandal almost every week
did they do that?
short flame
But this is why Bettman and Roger Goodell can actively say teams don't tank. Bec...
but they're not being pushed around by the team. there's a mentality of it doesn't matter if we have a bad season. we can rebuild and restart. which is not the way I want the very best league in the world to think that way. And I know it happens in every sport but I also think there should be more tries to make it a little better
celest zephyr
maybe if they knew if they finished in the bottom they would get shit picks, the...
That would be interesting
What would be fun is reverse order
For non playoff teams
dim kettle
The only thing closest to throwing games away was once again, Sam Hinkie's Trust the Process. Which the dude would trade away his family if he could get a couple 2nd round picks in 2019 and 2020.
celest zephyr
So would sam presti
short flame
For non playoff teams
that's what I want
dim kettle
BTW, I hope Presti realizes he has to hit on a lot of those picks to matter.
Really has become a trend in sports to praise GMs for getting so much draft capital when they haven't done anything with them yet,
rustic ore
Mannnn
Just found out the USFL replaced the Tampa Bay Bandits for a team called the Memphis Showboats
Lame
dim kettle
Glad I didn't give a shit about the USFL to feel sad about that.
short flame
Just found out the USFL replaced the Tampa Bay Bandits for a team called the Mem...
isnt showboat something neggative?
rustic ore
Yes and no
Some people like showboats because cockiness can be entertaining occasionally
But they also mean it literally as their mascot
short flame
I'm naming my team the Saint-Hubert arrogants then
dim kettle
It makes sense for Memphis. That entertainment city
rustic ore
Glad I didn't give a shit about the USFL to feel sad about that.
They're apparently on a "temporary hiatus" which I don't know what the hell that is supposed to mean
Didn't even know teams could do that
dim kettle
Guessing the stadium situation
rustic ore
But I guess because the USFL 2.0 is just entering it's 2nd year it's okay
short flame
It makes sense for Memphis. That entertainment city
still a weird way to name a team
does it have anything to do with boats?
dim kettle
Granted, they should've just called them the Kings and had Jerry Lawler as their logo.
rustic ore
I hope it isn't permanent, Bandits had cool unis
short flame
Granted, they should've just called them the Kings and had Jerry Lawler as their...
no more kings teams
Only one team should have a certain name
rustic ore
does it have anything to do with boats?
Has a rather large river next to it so I would imagine so
dim kettle
no more kings teams
short flame
oh ok at least it makes sense
there's a walnut grove
call them the memphis walnuts
short flame
who's that?
dim kettle
Jerry the King Lawler.
celest zephyr
BTW, I hope Presti realizes he has to hit on a lot of those picks to matter.
Or trade them for good players
short flame
this is the only king allowed here
celest zephyr
They can’t develop all of them
short flame
Jerry the King Lawler.
is he a fighter?
celest zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/king-one-piece-calamity-gif-22943020
dim kettle
Pro Wrestler.
short flame
not a bad nickname
I wish sportsmen had cooler epithets
like the workhorse from whitehorse
like snooker players have some cool nicknames, other sports should try better
rustic ore
Concept art for the Showboats unis since they haven't officially been shown yet
short flame
the sheriff of pottingham is my favourite
short flame
Concept art for the Showboats unis since they haven't officially been shown yet
doesn't show much but cool logo
rustic ore
It is concept art after all
short flame
this guy is called the homer simpson of snooker
celest zephyr
Yeah too many are like king or goat
short flame
Yeah too many are like king or goat
yeah we need to upgrade that
celest zephyr
Or the great one for Gretzky
short flame
thunder from down under Neil robertson
Oh found a good one in hockey
the latvian locomotive
dim ledge
versed forge
😭
dim kettle
https://youtu.be/y7wQmKdpI2k
He didn't need to add the "special sauce" to that Whopper. This is what happens when you keep Matt Canada
warm kestrel
The Czechs beat the Chinese 8-5 to win their first World Baseball Classic game.
wooden bronze
Messi or Ronaldo?
torn gale
Michael Jordan
celest zephyr
Messi or Ronaldo?
Ronaldo
rustic ore
Messi or Ronaldo?
Scott Sterling
celest zephyr
He didn't need to add the "special sauce" to that Whopper. This is what happens ...
Can’t enjoy watching the Steelers offense
robust grotto
Twitter
short flame
Messi or Ronaldo?
Ronaldo, O fenomeno, what a striker
hasty basin
robust grotto
Twitter
dim kettle
The things New Yorkers come up with. 
dim kettle
Twitter
celest zephyr
https://twitter.com/dannybagsz/status/1634182537231716352?s=46&t=0dPhD14zL5uzVVp...
So jkimmmy g’s handsomeness will make the jets stop imploding?
At least people will watch their games
And not get crippling depression
dim ledge
https://twitter.com/dannybagsz/status/1634182537231716352?s=46&t=0dPhD14zL5uzVVp...
Of course it's WFAN
rustic ore
Twitter
Gonna take a wild guess and say if Philly does hire Patricia then Slay will for sure ask for a trade
rustic mountain
Apparently they aren't gonna hire him
Sad
I really was hoping Id finally be rid of hik
Him
rustic ore
Lol
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
Graham kinda mid now isnt he?
robust grotto
Of course it's WFAN
I listen every day bruh
Any New York metro sports fan who prefers espn to WFAN is a mental patient
AYOOOOO
@rustic ore @smoky fable https://twitter.com/sportslogosnet/status/1634240307083526159?s=46&t=0dPhD14zL5uzVVpeHRQMfQ @dim kettle
dim kettle
Yeah, they mentioned this a few days ago. It's gonna be against Houston for the lolz.
rustic mountain
Yep should be cool
rustic ore
Gosh those are nice unis
They never should have gotten rid of them
Like you easily could’ve rebranded to the Titans and kept them
Just touched them up a bit
dim kettle
For whatever reason, they just wanted a full rebrand when they became the Titans.
robust grotto
Woooo !!!!
dim kettle
Just find it petty that Bud Adams was such a dick that he wouldn't let the Texans be the Oilers.
robust grotto
Yeah, although I will say they did well with the logo. Seems to be no need to change that
Wish Texans could figure out how to make their look be a little more memorable. I really like how the Roughnecks designed their helmets. Texans must be kicking themselves for that lol
celest zephyr
<:UsoppGrief:934036033098625024>
He can coach the 1980s bears offense at the qb position
Only short passes and runs
rustic mountain
At the very least he isn't calling any of our plays this year
celest zephyr
Yeah but with him in the background only going to make the offense worse
As long as he has a hand it isn’t going to go well
rustic mountain
Already reported he isn't going anywhere near the offense
O'Brien is running all of it and hand picked his offensive staff
celest zephyr
Senior football advisor?
What can he advise on other than losing?
Idk that almost sounds worse
rustic mountain
He's done it before but I honestly think he is pretty much out of any decision making
Patricia and Judge have pretty much been identified as the coaching problem last year
So they have been taken out of decision making positions and I think Judge just does special teams. Which he has done before
And was actually good at it
celest zephyr
Yeah so he’s just like Sengoku at this point
Could be worse
Minus well being actually good at being a hc
celest zephyr
Yay
pure badger
robust grotto
rustic mountain
Expected
I'll miss Devin. He had lost a step these past few years but the man is easily a pats red jacketer
Just means that Dugger becomes that more important
dim kettle
Another year where the Jays potentially blow another big lead in a game that matters.
rustic mountain
Or the year our talent breaks through and all the offseason moves to fix our weaknesses pay off
I am optimistic about this year. Varsho's defense alone helps a ton, not to mention he and Keirmeir having finally some leftie bats
dim kettle
Can't wait for another Jay player to talk shit.
rustic mountain
No one has said a word so far. People have tried baiting
But I think they finally learned their lesson
No more "movie" talk and all that dumb shit
Only shit talking has been Manoah calling out Yankees, which everyone everywhere should do
dim kettle
Somehow the Rays pull 95 wins out of their ass again.
rustic mountain
That probably is gonna happen
Idk what voodoo magic the swamps in Flordia hold
But the Rays have it and it makes good pitchers
hasty basin
Lmao wtf I just found out about this what a horrible trade
dim kettle
Good pitchers, let's see how the Rays addressed the terrible hitting. Cricket sounds
rustic mountain
Lmao wtf I just found out about this what a horrible trade
The Wolves are big dumbos
rustic mountain
Good pitchers, let's see how the Rays addressed the terrible hitting. *Cricket s...
Yeah I mean I get that
hasty basin
Like I get the man was a defensive beast but
rustic mountain
The Jays did like some but not a lot to help the bullpen
I am hoping that outfield defense helps it
rustic mountain
Gobert is like
hasty basin
Too big of a risk as well lol
rustic mountain
A reserve all star
hasty basin
Yes
If it doesnt work out guess what? you dont have your pick
They must REALLY have a lot of faith in Gobert
rustic mountain
Plus the shit he did with COVID made me lose respect lmao
dim kettle
Desperate teams really pay high for people who really aren't superstars.
hasty basin
Made me gain a little respect for him
rustic mountain
Really? Interesting
I am liking that sports stars are becoming more comfortable with displaying love for anime
dim kettle
Well anime is easier to access than ever
rustic mountain
But dude growing up as a dorky kid who loved anime and video games and books and getting bullied for it
I am slightly resentful
Lmao
hasty basin
But dude growing up as a dorky kid who loved anime and video games and books and...
Lmao
hasty basin
This was like
3-4 years ago though
Wait he had another one
Lmao I didn't even see this
He is French tbf so it makes sense anime is huge there especially one piece
dim kettle
Jamaal Williams of the Detroit Lions is very based though
dim kettle
hasty basin
It's even better when they ask them about it in an interview and they're excited to tell the story
I remember that Greek man in the olympics who did gear 2 pose
He looked excited in the interview to speak about it
rustic mountain
Lmao
Not spiteful or anything just kinda like "shit this couldn't have been cool when I was in middle school??"
hasty basin
It was popular where I lived when I was like 7 years old
Only Naruto tho iirc
But back then I never watched anime and didnt know what it was
I thought Naruto was just basc Avatar
dim kettle
Naruto was everywhere when I was a kid. lol
hasty basin
Yeah it was very dominant here as well I had never heard of any other animes
Though I think the first anime I watched is Spirited Away
At like 5 years old
But it was translated so I thought my country made it lol
dim kettle
I got into anime I think a little too young for my own good. lol Toonami really was blast back then.
honest umbra
Love me some toonami.
honest umbra
they’re gonna ruin their own pool?
robust grotto
KAWWWWWWWWAWWWWW BABY
rustic mountain
Are the States playing GB?
honest umbra
yea
robust grotto
yeah
honest umbra
and Mexico as well
GB lost to the team of Royals (haha bexuz u know they serve the royal family) 7-1..
so idk how much faith I have in them
rustic mountain
I mean. Has GB ever been good at baseball?
rustic mountain
Aren't they more of a cricket and teatime kinda country
honest umbra
soccer innit
robust grotto
Cam on you Brit’s score sum fackin runs
rustic mountain
Football bruhv
honest umbra
pretty sure their best players name is Harry ford
rustic mountain
Lmao
honest umbra
Aka Harrison ford
robust grotto
Crying bro
honest umbra
aka American national hero
rustic mountain
Our best player aint it bruhv is ol arry ford
robust grotto
That tweet made my day
honest umbra
now the DR games in Miami
I’m hype for
the Japan-Korea game was fun too
those teams could def beat the US
rustic mountain
I am very intrigued by Japan's team
honest umbra
ohtani and nootbar leading the way
rustic mountain
I am cheering for Canada but outside Freeman, not really much in the team
honest umbra
also trayce Thompson (yes brother of klay and son of laker legend mychal) is on the British team
robust grotto
the Japan-Korea game was fun too
That was sooo sick
rustic mountain
Freddie Freeman was born in Cali but since his parents are both Canadian born he cohld play for them
honest umbra
His mom is full Japanese
that’s fair then
rustic mountain
Interesting facts
honest umbra
I don’t mind if ur parents are from there
robust grotto
I’ve decided I’ll need to see a game in Japan if I ever get a chance
honest umbra
it’s just weird to me if ur doing it off some really weird technicality
rustic mountain
I really really badly wanna see a Japanese league baseball game
honest umbra
I’ve decided I’ll need to see a game in Japan if I ever get a chance
the fans go crazy.. esp against Korea lmao
robust grotto
Ideally international cause it’s just that much more fun being the American dude in another nation
honest umbra
yea so they can respectfully boo u
robust grotto
the fans go crazy.. esp against Korea lmao
Dude the highlights looked soooo fun
robust grotto
yea so they can respectfully boo u
GOOD !!!
I’ll never forget being the only American in the barn against Finland and we beat them and I drunkly sang the anthem
Amazing memories
rustic mountain
After my gf and I get married, I think Japan is one of our big vacations we wanna do. Gonna have to plan it for around baseball time 
robust grotto
So sick man!!! That’s awesome
honest umbra
dw
I had a great time
I’m sure you’ll be fine
it’s def there but only slightly noticeable lol
robust grotto
Fuck em, they’ll get over it man. You’ll be good!! Can’t change idiotic people
honest umbra
lmk if u want some recs when u get to that point
some nice spots outside of Tokyo if ur willing to venture out
robust grotto
I’m also desperate to see the darts world championships at Ally Pally in London
Looks absolutely wild
Bucket list sporting event for sure
robust grotto
Bananas bro
They dress up like it’s Halloween
And they set it up like a Biergarten. Long ass tables and everyone’s just enjoying
dim ledge
'ARRY
robust grotto
ARRY FOHD
rustic mountain
lmk if u want some recs when u get to that point
Def will thanks man
Arry Fowd innit bruv
smoky fable
After my gf and I get married, I think Japan is one of our big vacations we wann...
Damn. You got a lot of plans coming up sounds like
burnt cedar
I’m also desperate to see the darts world championships at Ally Pally in London
Also has the best view of the whole city
So you can enjoy that after
honest umbra
Ok what has actually happened to La Liga
isn’t this just a normal la liga match
honest umbra
yea bro
hasty basin
Wait
honest umbra
Sounds like la liga to me
robust grotto
Also has the best view of the whole city
Yeah? That’s dope
honest umbra
Idk
hasty basin
Did he just rage after the pen was scored
honest umbra
What even is the match
hasty basin
Cadiz Getafe
dim kettle
rustic mountain
Damn. You got a lot of plans coming up sounds like
Hell yeh buddy
rustic mountain
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1634320435838894081?s=46&t=dr3iFH9FB1HsY...
Holy haul
Bryce Young, you are a Carolina Panther!
Too bad about the whole losing a big weapon thing tho
dim kettle
Bryce Young, you are a Carolina Panther!
They’re gonna get Levis because GMs are stupid.
torn gale
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1634320435838894081?s=46&t=dr3iFH9FB1HsY...
Oh my word
rustic mountain
I see either Young or Stroud
dim kettle
It’s hard for me to believe a GM in the NFL would be confident about drafting a 5-10 foot QB that high. Stroud could be picked too.
rustic mountain
All I'll say is Drew Brees
torn gale
I would be confident if it was Bruce young