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Inherited Will
lul
Idk though Bean

It seems like cope
nah there back structure looks the same
LOL
It’s too obvious when it’s like 3 times in a row the same exact look
Will you guys be discussing sbs and vivre card stuff or na?
We got 2 lineage pushes on both Zoro and Sanji
In the same chapter which is pretty crazy
i dont really mind it cause luffy has insane lineage too
Maybe Oda wants to settle this once and for all
I can't agree
Just like why is every one super special
Because it’s Luffys journey of destiny

lol
Luffys gum gum fruit was implied to be special for…some reason. So luffy is extra super special!
like it says in chapter 1
It's not that their family defined them
meh, not necessarily, thats still a theory if its special or not, i still think the fruit was being delivered to celestial dragons to feed to slaves like boa hancock
Hard work is for pussies
Oda dgaf about that shit
They re-utilized what they were given
zoro did everything from his own hard work tho, having good genes doesnt necessarily mean youre going to be amazing, look what happened to kuina
she died from stairs]\
and had the shimotsuki name
That's a good point
Next thing you know franky is gonna be vega punks son
Oh no
Supposedly
@subtle trellis check my comment above
Always thought it was sus that she just died on the stairs and we never see it
ye I said that at the beginning
Watch Ryuma and Ushimaru be a bait
ahh sorry missed it
It's all just Inherited Will
thats part of why I wont mind too much in the grand scheme of themes
but its still disappointing
luffys dad has CoC too
CoC is not inherently hereditary
what are the conditions to get conquerers? Can anyone get it under the right circumstances, or is it tied to your lineage, or something else?
Important people have a higher chance of giving birth to people of strong disposition
Katakuri is the only kid to have it in BMP

the "conqueror's haki is something you're born with" was stated in-universe, right? so it could just be a superstition for all we know
lol
I'll get the panel
Sanji CoC incoming 
momo will
Not just because he's Oden's son

He has VoAT already
Wouldn't be surprised
Momo will, hes the heir of the most important family in wano and is a desendant of oden himself
And shogun
Zoro Sanji 
The lineage fuckery is annoying
Stop forcing Sanji for CoC lol
But it's not the worst thing in the world
what about them
I bet Benn has it
the lineage gives you the ability to get it, but you need to also have a strong enough will to unlock it?
how many people are in the one piece world? Like what’s the total population


Not everyone who's made a name for themselves has it
Same wording 
I’m a genius
Lmfao

If it’s like 7 billion people one in millions is a fuck ton of people still
@rough flint this part tho
Most 
Sanji is always super low key and goes under the radar
Whereas Zoro is gunning to rise to the top of the world
Well the message should be lineage doesn't matter, but when it does, make it and grow on your own
sanji doesnt have kingly ambitions
he just doesn't
I don't understand
It means Sanji CoC 
People only brought up Sanji with CoC after 1010
Sanji CoC is slowly creeping to the more likelihood side of things idk
Feels pretty petty
I agree with Evan
Ofcourse Zoro would get it before Sanji lol
I don't see it happening at all
Luffy
Probably Zoro
Ace
Katakuri
Yamato
Probably Momo
Sanji always the “3rd best” so it would make no sense for him to have coc because he’s not on the level of Luffy and Zoro. He just kicks ass when it’s necessary
No
Yes
its what the snake sisters said, you have to have the kingly ambition, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE that people born into nobility or insanely prominent families float that toward that way @rough flint
Isnt voice of all things and COC haki the same thing
He literally said to throwaway your ambitions that one time
wdym, people saw Zoro get it and now they feel like Sanji has to get it. They aren't the same character. They aren't equal in everything. If one gets something, the other doesn't have to get it
No
Two separate things
CoC is being able to KO people
🥱
VoAT you can hear the Sea Kings and Zunesha
womp womp
It depends what type of goal they have to determine their CoC
epigenetics up in here I see
Sanji was poor
i think the theme with the lineage stuff one piece is going for is that no matter what family or race or lineage youre born into, you make your own path in life, not what your family has pre ordained for you or set up for you or wanted for you
But he chose to runaway from Germa
you make your own destiny
And Germa wasn't poor
Luffy/Dragon/Garp, Ace/Roger, Zoro/His dad, Katakuri/Big Mom, Yamato/Kaido. Seems like too much of a coincidence
Stfu Vic
I think this too
I agree with that for the most part. Luffys dad is a revolutionary. His granddad is a marine. But he became a pirate because that’s what he wanted.
Fats Oda dgaf about the kids
Woop Slap's children are not making out of that village
We need to wrap up their characters completely soon
luffys dad also doesnt want to interfere at all with luffy, he wants him to make his own way uninfluenced by family
Kids after finding out Zoro is a Shimotsuki
that just reaafirms the point for me
But that's what made it so jarring
Zoro's backstory was so abrupt and short to me
It was always suspicious
what do you think of this @cunning ingot
Ok
Sanji was number 4 tyvm
I have to ask
Zoro no. 3 
Nami was 3
Potentially this backstory into his lingeage will also be short and vague as well to follow with that theme lol
i talk how i please

I could see that maybe

No
it adds "hype" because it connects them to the wider world, but it undermines one of their best features, that they were nobodies making it big
The thing is
Them being related to big people doesn't really hurt their achievements
They still worked hard on their own
It just reinforces how well off they are with their failures of parents
His individuality lead him to finding his path, but if he was a normal kid, he'd die the first time Garp threw him into the jungle
dragon is supporting that theme, he wants luffy to be completely uninfluenced by family ties , he comments on luffy like "ah so he became a pirate eh? interesting"
Dragon impacted his life in 0 capacity
But Dadan would save them
which is to luffys positive gain

I liked Zoros backstory being vague. Zoro is just a guy. And this backstory doesn’t necessarily hurt him, but that air of mystery behind the character is kind of gone now.
in the long con
it does
Yep
well technically Dragon might have saved him from the burning town, right?
🤓
But those are really small moments
he just made sure luffy didnt die in like 1 or 2 occassions
just being technical
but otherwise didnt influence

I know exactly what Adam means
its a misdirection @rough flint 
he was about to say a certain series
prophecy is about Buggy
one piece already follows classic shonen tropes. luffy is the "chosen one" and all that
Only mad because the other series did it poorly
Oda can do it well
Give it time
They were always special to a certain degree
Koby, son of Shimotsuki Roger, aka Stealth Black
lol
The bigger themes are like freedom, adventure, will
Oda has driven home the it doesn't matter who your biological parents are, but yeah, the hard work thing not so much
Big Mom descended from Joygirl
They were lucky to run into Luffy
Shanks
Blackbeard dad is Rocks 😈
it will be Shanks
buggy is related to rocks
It's kind of like
The family you had doesn't define you, it's the family you make on your own
Arlong went on the wrong path
zoro said it best during the onimaru fight
Jinbe didn't
D: blasphemy
wtf
Ko D By
i get ya fats
luffy made the way for koby to shine
and koby came from nothing truly
right, it's that sort of idea
You can look it that way for Zoro and Sanji too
They may have crazy lineages
But if Luffy never pushed them
They would've never gotten this far
unless they die
And Luffy himself was pushed by Shanks
and vice versa
yasuies attachment to zoro
Hybrid Jack
yeh we need a better view
centaur boi
He's getting up 
None of them are dead

I don't know about him getting up
hes gonna get up and do what? hes already either dead or mostly dead lol against a tanky jack? @rough flint
That was the hole Kaido created

Now I'm confused af
Zoro's move is Ashura and Ashura Doji is also Ashura
I don't know where "Asura" comes from
LOL
But the ceiling hole is the one Kaido created??
That's what I thought Evan
I thought it was Kaido
From the roof
Dw
The anime will make it an entirely different hole
ashura doji explosion
fats is right
jack v inu explosion
how did that explosion create a hole in the ceiling to reveal the moon?
I guess....
the hole in the roof is from the start of the raid, kaido went through it
It is from ashura doujis explosion. You may disagree that it could cause it
but that's clearly what oda is going for
Lmao
looney tunes buildings
Or Inu dies and Ashura finishes Jack
They're all living 
the "floors" are on a castle that's entirely within the dome:
ashura doji in jack vs inu
Maybe it's a floor up
Is there like a full map somewhere of the skull dome? It’s been hard af to follow tbh
They were tp'd down
they're inside the horn POG
Bruh
I love that illustration
who?
No one
Neko should just one shot
Do we know who it was that was in the room with them yet?
Jack has gotten more of a beating
In that last spread
Those people are weird
pedro was gonna die of old age either way
Pedro was just all about explosions anyways
Whoa whoa whoa
Raizo and Fuku fodder? Heresy
Fodderukujo

Earlobe powers
Iconic man
Wouldn't say a lot
goated panel
Even if he is smaller
It is a sacrifice
It will still illicit a big reaction from Kaido
Yeah he lost 20 years
He's still 8 mentally
its like he speedran jail
But he just lost those years
He's giving up his youth
Forced into adulthood and giving up his youth yeah
Yup
Cipher Pol confirmed the DF would work
God I love Luffy and Momo's relationship
lol
KoL spittin 
i love that fight people hate on it cause they look ridiculous
but thats exactly why i love it
It's honestly pretty funny
Raizwho vs Fodderukujo
I'm ok with one page or two
I could see it
Fuku will go down with the ship though
I read a theory recently about Jewelry Bonney possibly coming into play to make momo younger again after the battle
after Luffy and Zoro, Luffy and Momo is one of the best dynamics in the entire series
That’s a good metaphor yea
no bonney for momo
It’s a huge decision for momo
feels nostalgic
And none of this would have been possible if Momo hadn't met Luffy
He's still a crybaby 
i didnt like momo in the beginning lol warmed up to the feller
Boro breath clash let’s goooo

That's gonna be pretty funny
hiyori and robin and nami will all dropkick him

at once
I need to see hiyori dropkick a giant dragon
I want to see Yamato's reaction
gottem
I missed you so much adam omg
Hahahahahaha
"grow up, you're not perfect"

"momo dont do what you want"
Yea oda hates YOU specifically adam
:(
Yeah he would honor his sacrifice
If anyone was going to talk him out of it
Being his own man
It was going to be Shinobu
"only 20 years? You'll need 100 to get on my level, Momo"
I mean
Their whole relationship was Luffy guiding Momo to become his own man
but its notr a case of no he doesnt have to do this
Nah luffy wouldn’t try to talk him out of it
because hes getting bigger flames
Someone has to keep Onigashima from crashing 
Adam, this is going to be portrayed where Momo HAD to make this sacrifice for them to succeed
luffy would not do that lol
This is why I believe Momo might be the one to join after this since Vivi was like that
This just works
Luffy is an enabler
until he’s not
bigger flame clouds = holding up onigashima
Luffy just wants to ride a giant dragon
Yeah
Vivi wasn't in the right there
Here
Momo wants to do everything
He can
He is desparate and he just saw Kiku and Kinemon and Kanjuro "die"
God their relationship is cool
this is the tale of the koi fish turning into a dragon
momo was a little tadpole and he climbed an insanely difficult waterfall
metaphorically
I think kaido will be against momos growth and voice some of the same opinions that fans who are against it have, and then momo \ luffy will shut down those arguments in a way
Kaido is gonna shit his pants
nice i can see that
Or at least be like wtf
totally agree, plo
he'll call it out as phony or fake & they will prove that wrong
I don’t think he’ll fight Kaido directly
kaidos gonna be like 'what makes you think you deserve this, just the merit of your name ❓ ' and then momo will disprove him with the merit of his actions
Momo will be strong in his dragon form
Not on Kaido's level
But still significant
18
It was 18 I think
doubt momo will fight him but he will face against him at least for when he flies luffy up
nah he had a harem at a younger age
oh roachy
He has been practicing with his sword
So that's something to note
Yup
Exactly
LOL
Idk about beheading
But that would be fucking sweet
Think he's going to just stop the island from falling
yes, I want him to cut Orochi and get the Kusanagi no Tsurugi
I could be fine with taking out orochi, but Kaido ehhh
LOL
LMAO
lmfao
Don't think Momo is going to interact with Orochi
OOPS

Think that's Hiyori's role
oda listening to this like 
“Not again kanjuro”
beheads momo
I hate Adam
adam accidentally made the best theory

Boro breath clash is the most i see kaido vs momo happening
I am sick of hearing this
yeah stfu fats
He has to use it
Oden cocting 
yeah fats he has to do it grown up
Chekov's gun
its a missed opportunity

ADAM SPITTIN
No please don’t put denjiro on orochi
Momo, Hiyori, and Denjiro
Just hiyori
Momo's job is against Kaido then saving the capital

Hiyori denjiro works better since they’ve been living/surviving under him for like 20 years
is hiyori a killer?
15 @timber remnant
But Evan
And Momo has hardly mentioned Orochi
thats zoro
Uhhh
momo is gonna behead kaido as the final blow with that move
Wait
Island splitting lmao
Denjiro won’t be touching orochi again
Ah 15 ok
lmao jeez
Always was
smfh
No like, he literally has no power
if orochi dies, does fukurokuju start taking orders from momo?
Nah
whoever is shogun
he will just switch
I see his ninjas turning
Yea he would. He’s just whoever the shogun is
working in the weapons factory as a prisoner
fuku is just a stickler
He's kind of weird
for his job
The ninja pledge loyalty to Kaido after. Orochi “died”
Can't pass up on teaching the rest of the Scabbards Earlobe Crackers
These spreads are so good
emperors are in the third slide right
I would spend over 100 to get the magazines with the physical posters
Yup
I want these physical so bad
Thanks Red! 😍
Yeah baby
He doesn't have it
LINEAGE
It's not coming
gonna happen
it's not happening
Yasopp has it
he doesnt have it
but it will happen
i think yasopp wont have it
but usopp will
usopps lie will just snowball
Usopp won't have it
he will have coc coating next
Usopp is a Number

Oh shit I just realized I haven't read the chapter yet


this usopp moment gonna be amazing in the anime
Fake fan Grizzly
Guess I can read it now while I hear some guys talk about it
NOT ALL HIS LIES COME TRUE
not all do
I will bet with you that Usopp won't get CoC
but this one will

out of all the remaining strawhats, he is the most likely to unlock conq
sniper island is in your heart
Usohachi is Sogeking 2
Bad bet
LOL
Ussop coc
lol
It'll be pinned
If ulti gets back up her tankiness is actually insane
Big Mom is going all out up there potentially
BM

Too insane
She’s so cool
He chooses not to knock out tama
its more notable that usopp didnt fall from her coc
Oh wait Kaido and yammy
hes not fodder yay
Could be Kid and Big Mom CoC clash
Yea surprising
Tama not even phased by bm conquerors haki
Queen coc > mamas
Motherly Big Mom is specifically not letting Tama become KO 
coc blasts can be targeted, she would never target her

Big Mom's own version of CoC 
Nah pretty sure those arent targeted. They are just leaking from the main room
Best coc
its like when luffy was subconciously using conq in act 1, its just residually in the environment
Big mom cant target it to not hit tama if she doesnt even know if tama is close
maybe shes on a hunger pang rn for red bean soup
Nah tama has a iron will/resolve
theyre hiding from the hall way
She fainted from Queen
maybe their wills are steeled enough to avoid it, like half the people of the 100k @ fishman island with luffy
zoom zoom zoom zoom
i like the chaotic nature of it
I'm too slow
coc randomly leaking on the battlefield
how do they know it's BM CoC leaking and not Kaido/Yamato?
based off their location
Nami is saying Franky is making a leap lol
they prob hear the big mom fight
from the direction where people are falling from
yeah they did come from that area earlier too
Why is brook worried about jinbei being surrounded by fire hes a fishmen and his powers are literally water based 
It's still fire
he likes sushi
well u see the thing is
hes surrounded by fire
Dude is a walking fire extinguisher
jinbe is like the squid fishman, he's gonna get fried
he uses the water from his surroundings mostly
Yeah
There's no water around
Unless you think Jinbe will use Oshiruko to put out the fire

UMEEEEEEE
oshiruko fishman karate
any ideas on why kaido's army are rushing to the live floor? trying to run interference for king/queen vs zoro/sanji?
or just trying to escape the fire?
That would be pretty funny
black maria as well
Escape the fire probably
Finished reading choptir now
ah gotchya
No Adam
Or Jinbei
Or yea it all burns
Maybe momo?
With his genes
It burning makes sense
Or King could use it
momo, nami, jinbe could also put it out too
Idk
Heat will eat all the fire and roast kaidos skin off
That's probably what the case is Red
sabo shows up and eliminates the fire 😄
If it is burned what would happen to the road poneglph then
Yeah Marco said "so that's what they're calling that island now"
Nothing
Kaido lifted God Valley away and that's why it disappeared 
the rode poneglyph isnt on onigashima right
Poneglyph tanks fire ez
GET TO ZORO DADDY
It’s not

Ah alright
Never Evan

so nothing would happen to it yeah
yeah
It'll be anti-fire
i'm sure fire isn't going to bother her at all
Get to other Denjiro 
So now all the straw hats are gonna assemble back on the main floor and…idk maybe fight kaido to stall for time so luffy can get there
Can’t get to something not in this chapter
it's actually spread further than i would have anticipated
Oh wait he is
for having dropped out of the story for a few chapters
Or maybe just let it burn to the ground, its Kaido's castle and its better if its gone after the battle
^
I think Luffy might get there before hand
Kaido's gonna be pissed
Kaido really skipped leg day when he was younger look at them chicken legs bro tf
kaido obviously doesn't care about his army losing and his castle burning, otherwise he'd be trying against yamato 
Everyone skips leg day in one piece
oden didn't 
It'll land
But it'll be destroyed or like
Too slow
Reformed?
Damn it
Luffy will destroy it with his own hands just like every arc I’m guessing
Jinbe will put the fire out
Luffys final attack will destroy onigashima alongside kaido
Maybe
Okay so how many chapters exactly until onigashima lands? What are your bets
Mine are 6 chapters
We still more flashback
I think it’s out of jinbe’s hands, brook couldn’t do much to it either
yeah i think itll be closer to 10-12
I expect King and Queen to go down before Onigashima lands or as it lands
depends on when and how long the kaido flashback is
Final fights are in the Flower Capital
I’m gonna go with a hard 6
didn't Yuderon say 1035 or something?
Or some shit
Chapter 1031 exactly @scarlet finch
It will be an epic double spread with luffy defeating kaido and with onigashima breaking in half and the dawn behind as wano watches
not only did she get shine, but she did it in heels
Oh well
Hakiless chadess robin breaking every bone in the haki maria
That's unfair fats
imagine thinking Robin vs Maria can compare to the event that is roof piece
We have fat wire now
nah that's not wire
lmfaso
I thought it was
LOL
WEAT and fat wire
it's not wire 

Who’s the little gremlin girl
Wide Wire
Not the same but he does look like a fat wire
Kid’s little sis
the chomp girl seems cxool
hope its a kid member
Nah that’s a kid pirates
Lunarian dude from kid's crew
Look at the clothes
its prob kid pirates cuz they vicious n shit
The Tobi rappo get back up
Kaido: huhhhh? Are my closest subordinates really that weak!?
all of them getting up bloody and injured
Who’s who: of course not…we are the tobi roppi after all

the beast pirates are shaded
They aren't getting up
Yeh wire wears those too
We’ve hardly seen kid’s crew over the last 600 chapter
LOL
almost like we've never cared about any supernova crew for 600 chapters
Poor Deuce
Fat wire is my favourite kid pirate already
lol
Let's gooooo
LETS GO ZOROS DAD
Lmao me too
That giant sword lookin real good 
Finally we see luffys mom
*Kids sword
Audiobook 
Yup
Yay an excuse to beat my daughter
Best night of kaidos life

What a chad

He said he'd go all out
i doubt kaido is tired as well
Kaido's dialogue is top tiere
honestly
he's one of the best villains already and he's not even fully explored yet
I think he has shifted and is now trying to kill her
Like genuinely
Yeah
The only person we had to go on was Whitebeard
Oda should go back to the 1011 teeth
Big Mom didn't really go all out
I liked them more
So how long has it passed for those 15 minutes? 10 seconds? 
liked em more too
People also thought that Luffy would win Round 2 apparently
In the 1v1 when he learned CoCting
And he still won lol
luffy lasted from 1011-1013, yamato has gone from 1014 to 1024 so far
Yamato is doing about as well as one can do in a one on one against kaido
No one but luffy or BM could do better
In onigashima
She's doing pretty decently
Probably will be fixed on volume release
But not winning by any means
He's jumping
He's jumping at her
Oh yeah
Actually he's landing
Yeah
He already jumped back top right
Yeah then he lands
It looks weird mmhmm
SHOW ME ZORO DADDY
I don’t know since 1011 were the only time kaido had those teeth
Imu
Yamato just matched an attack that one shotted gear 4 luffy at the start of wano
Rest it’s been normal with the 2 long ones
Lmao
A stronger one actually
This one has cocting
What a freaking beast
luffy will be able to dodge all baguas from now on
Yamato is really strong
he almost dodged it last time
Metaphorically looking down
Woden
Oden fucked him up
yamato for sh represent
Oh shit
Luchador WWE belt
crab legs
Heavyweight Champion Kaido
LMAO
Love how Yamato seems small at first here but then we see she’s literally the same size as two grown ass beast pirates



that's exactly fuckin it
I liked that reveal

lol
Everyone gets coc now:FujiKEK:
LOL
Zoro having CoC is cooler
Zoro Asura way cooler
i mean i fully expect the last island fight to be just people with coc only fighting
No Evan
its gonna be coc exclusive






