manga-theories

[fathom matrix]

Since Luffy can stretch and morph now, do you think he could start morphing his hands like weapons?

Like he inflates and shapes his fist to look like a hammer, used haki and starts hitting his enemies wiyj it?

[visual merlin]

these are different powers. We're talking about his awakening, which we've seen in wano, it is not permanent, and activating awakening at all will be too much for law rn

[dim herald]

Yup i think this is the direction Oda will likely take. I can't see Luffy using any weapons either.

[ripe geyser]

this doesn't imply permanent shrinking/growth of objects in any way not sure what you're trying to prove by saying this

[fathom matrix]

For all you know, they probably had to put those marines who were disambled and reassambled out of their misery in the first arc he was shown in

[visual merlin]

I doubt it. He can do it now, but I don't think luffy's gonna make weapons, seems like he won't based on this chap anyway

[fathom matrix]

Maybe not now sure, but if this does ittribute to the rubber hose cartoon style, I could totes see him not making blades or edgy weapons, but dumb silly weapons like hammers.

THOUGH, he did have the gum gum buzz saw and that is a cartoon classic. So he COULD do a version of that too

Although, he is more of a punch guy

[pure raven]

Is it just me who thinks much of the power concepts in one piece got huge potential to look epic and scary but are sacrificed to look more childish for some reason?

[visual merlin]

oda likes funny

[ripe geyser]

Joyboy isn't supposed to make people smile by looking epic or scary

[pure raven]

I mean If OP was adult rated it could look sick

[fathom matrix]

it kinda fits the style

[ripe geyser]

not sure what kind of crack you're on buddy

[fathom matrix]

One Piece knows how to make goofiness work and make it serious.

A stupid rubber kid who plays and eats meet, is known as a badass throughout all of media

[visual merlin]

Yea, but oda likes to go for goofy

[pure raven]

Yes indeed it does fit the style of one piece...but I meant I think a more mature looking one piece would be sick

[visual merlin]

it probably would be cool

[ripe geyser]

Only Luffy's execution turned to a goofy side with G5, his intentions are still serious

[visual merlin]

Nothing about intentions was mentioned here though

[fathom matrix]

It would look cool, but it wouldn't have that same charm, and what makes one piece look cool is the goofiness.

HECK, the goofiness can be unsettling and can work with the more uncomfortable and sad scenes

[pure raven]

Well I am not sure if it's because I was much younger or not...but I think early one piece felt more way serious and "dramatic" or not?

[visual merlin]

Well, these last couple chapters have been a bit more goofy with g5, but most of recent one piece has been similar to old one piece

either way its just that oda likes funny stuff in general

[ripe geyser]

Luffy's intentions of fighting Kaido is to surpass him and to help Kinemon, Tama, etc. And that's serious, wanting to save people from Kaido. He's had this intention all throughout the fight. But the way he's executes his combat turned super goofy and some people find that too sudden. I don't lol

[visual merlin]

But...no one was talking about intentions

[pure raven]

Ye I actually like that...just some specific moments I preferred an other approach.

Love the show regardless .

[ripe geyser]

Early one piece is goofier than almost all of post-ts

[pure raven]

Is it? Donno I remember not being like that...I mean fight against crocodile and moray stuff like that look pretty serious (with small goofy moments on the side)

[ripe geyser]

-Luffy tried using Arlong's teeth
-Tried eating Crocodile
-Mizu Luffy
-Gomu gomu no airhead (goofy but effective just like G5)
-Gomu gomu no tako

Water 7 and onward was when Luffy started to not do this kind of stuff as often, probably cause of how serious it was for Luffy

Mizu Luffy was super goofy, Robin started laughing and Crocodile yelled at Luffy for not being serious

[pure raven]

Hmm actually you are right...Luffy had serious moments with kaido too ...ye u right.

[ripe geyser]

Luffy told Kaido the people of Wano starve as long as he's around and he told Momo, Tama and Kinemon (indirectly) that he isn't done yet

I love this fight cause Luffy is fighting for Wano's sake but also fighting for himself and his dream at the same time

Before G5 Kaido told Luffy that he seems to be enjoying himself, and that's cause Luffy is enjoying himself (especially now). After unlocking G5 Luffy said he's at his peak and that he's having the time of his life, he's never felt so close to his dream in his life

[pure raven]

Honestly I kinda felt much more respect for kaido during the last chapters..he really respects power and fair fights...I don't think I will be satisfied with his defeat as much. As some other villains

[ripe geyser]

Kaido is gonna feel so multi-dimensional once we get his backstory

not that he doesn't feel multi dimensional already cause he definitely does. It's so interesting how he's really mean and ruthless but all of a sudden hyped up when Luffy is fighting him

[pure raven]

I bet 90%at some point gear 5 Luffy will use that huge sword on the island's castle skull

[ripe geyser]

there is someone else besides Luffy that's big and is in Wano

[pure raven]

Hm who? The elephant?..elephants can't use swords!

[ripe geyser]

yep Zunesha

[visual merlin]

I've been thinking aboput zunesha too

in the case that luffy still doesn't win, I think zunesha may play a part in kaido's downfall here

[ripe geyser]

in this series a cannon can become a dog

[visual merlin]

zunesha has to do something anyway

[pure raven]

Elephants can't use swords can they?I think it makes more sense since it's confirmed Luffy can turn into giant so

[visual merlin]

wrap the trunk around it

Luffy's giant form was still way smaller than the sword

[ripe geyser]

Giant Luffy using the sword is very possible yes

[visual merlin]

and the last time luffy picked up a sword, he did this

so he's pretty incompetent with em

[ripe geyser]

lol I hope he does it but with the big sword

[pure raven]

Ye it will be epic.

[ripe geyser]

Luffy can probably extra enlarge a single arm in giant form

[visual merlin]

maybe he'll pick up the sword just for a comedic moment, but I'd imagine if the sword gets picked up it'll actually slice something

eh

I mean, oda can always just bullshit the size I guess but just look at it

this is how kaido and luffy look to onigashima in the far right

or here

vs the sword

[pure raven]

Btw isn't kaido the "strongest creature alive" so doesn't that mean that if Luffy solo defeats kaido ....Luffy will already be stronger than everyone and the story becomes empty???? I think we will either see a powerful of other characters (black beard) or/and new "hidden" super powerful enemies (government probably)

[ripe geyser]

The sword looks about as long as Kaido's dragon form, probably a bit longer

[sage lily]

I dont think luffy will defeat kaido anytime soon more like a draw

[visual merlin]

Not really. This fight already isn't 1v1, and there will still be people close enough to kaido to be challenges

[pure raven]

Like whom? Also how is it not a 1v1.

[visual merlin]

because he's had help from tons of people. And like the yonko and admirals, and potentially Imu or gorosei

being stronger than kaido wouldn't mean those people aren't challenges

[pure raven]

Well but still it wol mean they are mere challenges to Luffy not achievements to defeat

[ripe geyser]

whenever Luffy gets a brand new form the fight usually ends quite soon. Examples include:
-G2 vs Blueno
-Final G4 vs Doffy
-Tankman vs Cracker
-Snakeman vs Katakuri

[wide crane]

True

[visual merlin]

Uh well whatever the case, Luffy probably won't be stronger than kaido even after this

[sage lily]

True true but then luffys only main villian after this would be blackbeard

[rapid oxide]

you need to realize titles in One Piece don't anything
Mihawk "Worlds Strongest Swordsman"
that must mean he is stronger than
Big Mom
Shanks
WB
Roger
Ryuma
and many more
titles don't mean anything they're just titles

[ripe geyser]

there has been lots of Luffy vs Kaido prior to this new form, so I think the fight is actually very close to over - the editor's note in 1044 even says so

[ripe geyser]

Im? I think the leader of the authoritarian WG is a big obstacle for Luffy to overcome

[sage lily]

Oh yeah i forgot about imu sama

[ripe geyser]

Luffy is gonna turn the world upside down in a way that Roger never could

[pure raven]

He is Joyboy after all

[ripe geyser]

Finding Laugh Tale isn't the end

[rapid oxide]

remember we don't know luffy's true dream

[sage lily]

I still dont understand fully his powers tbh hahah so is he rubber or a literal manifestation of freedom??

[pure raven]

Both

[ripe geyser]

Cause remember what Roger said after leaving? "We were too early". Whatever the hell Roger was "too early for" is something Luffy will be able to do

[sage lily]

King of the piratess

[ripe geyser]

Every single time Luffy was about to say it Oda cut it off

[rapid oxide]

not that in the childhood flash back

[pure raven]

Luffy's dream is what the king of pirates dreamt off "true freedom"

[ripe geyser]

We were also shown that Ace told Yamato Luffy's real dream

[pure raven]

To sail... Have adventures and fight freely

[ripe geyser]

Reactions to Luffy's real dream:
-Ace was confused
-Sabo laughed
-Yamato cried

[rapid oxide]

he said "Freest man on the sea" also the one that had ace and sabo shocked yamato said he could do it

wait yamato cried? i thought she said he believed in him

[ripe geyser]

She cried tears of joy

[pure raven]

I think I am missing something....can you send when Luffy "said his real dream"

[ripe geyser]

gimme just a moment

https://youtu.be/jGS4irz3l2w

Oda did the same thing when Roger told Whitebeard and Oden his real dream

Whitebeard called Roger's dream a "child's fantasy"

[sage lily]

Maybe its flying hahah thats a nice dream

[pure raven]

Oh right ! I didn't notice ..or rather didn't think much of it...just thought Luffy must ve said "I want to become king of pirates " or something

But ye it won't make sense to hide that.

[pure raven]

What are some of the best longform theories in this channel so far?

[weak arrow]

Check pins

[ripe geyser]

gear red💀

[spark relic]

Dragon ate a Dragon fruit

[glad raft]

One piece is probably alcohol (sake). Something that can bring everyone together, something that can make people laugh and have fun

[ripe geyser]

I've seen this theory before

[tribal patio]

One piece is the Bink's sake

The alcoholic rice based drink from Bink

[pure raven]

one piece is an object, not a drink

[mint mauve]

it could be a drink becuse roger was laughing at laughtale after seeing the treasure

[pure raven]

hmmm idk but isn't seeing an alcohol bottle from centuries is kinda doesn't makes sense?

[mint mauve]

who knows but after seeing luffy g5 i think everything is possible

[tidal horizon]

Guys i know what the one piece is

It's the whole world merged together in one piece by joyboy

[reef crow]

Guys, please check the pins for the types of conversations we want in this channel.

We want them to be serious, the conversation happening here may be more appropriate for the manga channels

[tidal horizon]

This is a theory

[reef crow]

See the pins here, its a convo more appropiate for the manga channels, just put more substance in here and youll be more than fine.

[tidal horizon]

Wdym by substance???

[reef crow]

See the pins

doesnt have the be as long, but see the conversation that follows

[tidal horizon]

Ohk

[naive wolf]

on thriller bark he did a badass sword movement against moria/oars junior to defeat them

[naive wolf]

yaaa completely agree, that sword is f huge, luffy will have to do a gomu gomu no gigant 10 times bigger to have a chance to grasp that sword

[agile widget]

I’m not fully caught up and I assume the risk of getting spoiled idrc, but I think we haven’t seen an awakened zoan in one piece yet right?

[modest skiff]

That’s a question for #manga

[agile widget]

well I had a fun theory for what an awakened zoan might look like

[modest skiff]

We have seen awakened zoans as early as Impel Down

[agile widget]

wouldn’t it be cool if it allowed the user to travel the evolutionary line of their animal. for example chicken-chicken fruit user realizing the true nature of his df and becoming a T-rex

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for current chapter

[agile widget]

oh :(

[proven monolith]

My theory is that in the past, the 1st Joyboy used his Nika fruit to make a lot of the Zoan devil fruit abilities ridiculous but also strong. That would explain why so many on Onigashima are so very funny. Like King or Queen or any of the animals

He could change anyone into anything just for a laugh

[tiny hatch]

Hmm Nika's fruit seem to give the user to make his surrounding to that of like a cartoon. Which is interesting to me since if fruits were man made why wouldn't it have been the comic comic fruit or something. So maybe what you say might be true

I mean the mythical and ancient terms for the fruits are man made terms they are terms the characters use for extinct animals and those that appear in myths

[proven monolith]

I thought Oda had lost his mind when some of the chapters came out because they were so many fighting so seriously but impossibly funny

[tiny hatch]

that actually brings some interesting thoughts

can certain fruits affect other fruits directly like what you said about nika changing how the ancient zoans work

[pastel summit]

I would hate this so much, but I think it's actually probably likely lol. Assuming the joke with King and Queen etc. wasn't that it wasn't the "raw power" but queen actually modified them.

[proven monolith]

i think it was to gradually lead us into Luffy's awakening and open the door to so many possibilities.. Joyboy must have something to do with the Zoan fruits creation or at least altering them in some way

[tiny hatch]

Wait

[proven monolith]

yes Queen was mostly modified but not King

[tiny hatch]

zoans have wills of their own almost like a soul if nika could change how they function maybe soul soul was used to give them wills

[pastel summit]

Queen could've modified King's fruit. He modified Black Maria's as well.

[tiny hatch]

Queen didnt modify the fruits themselves though

[pastel summit]

he did for Maria's.

[tiny hatch]

you sure? Cause he may have just modified her body

[proven monolith]

remember how crazy the gorilla spawned an it made Sanji mad

[pastel summit]

he basically did the same thing Chopper did. And I assume the brachiosnakeus stuff was also part of his modification, same with King's head thing.

[tiny hatch]

Cause modifying the fruit would imply it was modified before it was eaten and possibly be a permanent change

[tiny hatch]

well no queen explained that the brach could always turn into a snake the way he did his alterations was giving the legs weapons

[pastel summit]

the fruit powers were modified. Alternate powers were created with science. Whether they're naturally accessible or not, is unknown.

[pastel summit]

yes, I'm pretty sure that's part of the joke. Queen was explaining it was "natural power" while doing something very obviously unnatural. The same thing happened with King.

[proven monolith]

King said that was how dinosaurs use to hunt for prey and he was serious..but it was ridiculous

[tiny hatch]

The abilities we see are explained as the fruits themselves which is specific wording

[tiny hatch]

it was funny but it doesnt mean queen was joking

[pastel summit]

No, but it doesn't mean he was being serious either.

[proven monolith]

nearly all the smile fruit abilities were CRAZY. Nika means smile or grin, right

[tiny hatch]

It kinda was though

[pastel summit]

You can interpret it as such, yes. but you can interpret it as it just being a joke...

[tiny hatch]

Like why would queen lie about a modification saying its natural just to be like but then say that the legs are naturally useless but he modified it to be otherwise

and why would king joke about it either. If it was just queen maybe but all the tobiroppo wouldn’t be the type to joke

[proven monolith]

true but i think it was Oda leading up to the Looney Toons effects that Nika would have

[tiny hatch]

I mean its always weird to me that we have zoans for real life animals but none of the weird animals we see in onepiece like where is the fighting dugong fruit

[pastel summit]

because it could've just been a joke... oda likes writing jokes, if it's not obvious by now lol.

[tiny hatch]

Yeah its a joke but its serious in the series

[pastel summit]

Zoro also seriously gets lost in the series. Still is a joke.

[proven monolith]

Oda is the best and he never lets me down

[tiny hatch]

like those are the canonical powers of the fruits

Oda wouldn’t change the personalities of all the bad guys for one joke

[pastel summit]

yes? All I'm saying is that the explanation for them given could've been a joke, because of the irony of it. Queen and King saying they're "natural powers" while doing things that are very unnatural, and both of them delivering it in a serious tone. You can interpret it however you want, but idk why you're denying that it being a joke is a possible explanation for it.

I'm not saying it's not possible it was serious. I'm saying it's very possible it was just meant to be a joke, and part of the joke was how serious they were about it.

[tiny hatch]

A joke yes to us but in the world of one piece they are truly canonically natural its not a joke for the characters its a joke to us

[pastel summit]

okay you're misinterpreting this very hardcore so I'm gonna quit

just is gonna be a very circular discussion about nothing.

[tiny hatch]

I was going against this part

[proven monolith]

it did make it more funny because they were actually very serious and believed their abilities were really natural

[tiny hatch]

I mean tbh they could be

[pastel summit]

It was a joke to everyone for the record. Sanji thought it was a joke, Chopper thought it was a joke, everyone observing the Queen vs Sanji fight thought it was a joke, Zoro thought it was a joke.

[proven monolith]

true that

[tiny hatch]

we know so little about dinosaurs in the grand scheme of things

[pastel summit]

It wasn't just a "joke for the readers", EVERYONE in the series except for the people using the powers thought it was ridiculous.

[tiny hatch]

which doesnt mean its a joke

[alpine forge]

How many of you here r frustrated of seeing these nika theories 100000 times ?

[tiny hatch]

them finding it ridiculous doesnt make it a joke to the characters

[pastel summit]

it doesn't make it not a joke either. I'm offering a potential explanation, I'm not shutting down yours.

[tiny hatch]

but the potential explanation just doesn’t make sense to me

[proven monolith]

What made me think of this to begin with was how King pulled his face back like he was made of rubber. Since i have never heard of a flaming rubber dinosaur it made me think of Luffy

[pastel summit]

you don't understand irony?

[tiny hatch]

its on the similar level as saying luffy’s power could still be resin and that all the gorosei are wrong

[pastel summit]

So basically, the joke is that Queen and King say "witness the raw power of dinosaurs" while using powers that are actually modified abilities. The joke is that they were serious about them being "natural abilities", but they were very much modified.

[tiny hatch]

they lied to us once there is no saying they wouldn’t again

[tiny hatch]

but they werent modified

[pastel summit]

you don't know that???

[tiny hatch]

I mean is luffy’s fruit modified? I never saw a myth like that before

[modest skiff]

I hadn't considered your perspective, Choc. Interesting idea. But that would be very precise. I honestly still think the joke is Oda making dinosaurs that were very different from the ones we know in our planet

[tiny hatch]

Like its a possible explanation that has more layers than what you are just saying

you are saying they are modifications which implies the fruits were originally different

[proven monolith]

well so many "smiles" were made at punk hazard by CC so they are mainly just alot of failures

[tiny hatch]

But we have yet to see any evidence that true real dfs can be changed or modified

[pastel summit]

chopper

[solid pebble]

No i think he saying it like chopper whose fruit generally has 3 forms but he modified it somewhat to get the other 3 forms

[tiny hatch]

thats not the fruit though thats more chopper modifying himself

[solid pebble]

Yeah queen might have done that to her fruit too

[tiny hatch]

Like when chopper dies and next person gets the fruit they wont have the rumble abilities

Heck chopper learned to be able to transform without the rumble ball

The modifications you are implying involve the changing of the fruits themselves as fruits

[solid pebble]

Umm like it might be to the fruit or.it might be to user who is using the fruits

It can be both because oda hasn't cleared it to us

[pastel summit]

yeah, I never said the next person who gets queen's fruit will be able to shoot themselves out like a snake?

not once did I ever imply it's changing the fruit itself. That's just how you've misinterpreted what I said.

[tiny hatch]

why wouldnt they it was explained to be the actual fruit that lets him shoot as a snake

[pastel summit]

do I have to go on this circular point about that's the joke once again?

[tiny hatch]

a joke for the reader doesnt mean it all doesnt matter in the story

[pastel summit]

and then I have to explain what the joke is, what the joke means, what does irony mean, why does modification mean, what does a joke mean, what is the joke again

[tiny hatch]

Its a joke because it doesnt seem natural TO US READERS its IRONY to US

[pastel summit]

It also wasn't natural to LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE IN THE MANGA

[tiny hatch]

I am talking about the world of one piece. And again thats because it was so different from what they knew

[proven monolith]

My theory is that all the "smile fruits" were based off of Luffy's DF. In the past at one point Dr. Vegapunk had that Nika fruit in his secret Lab that even the WG didn't know about. Franky was sent flying there by Kuma. Kuma was being modified by Vegapunk at that time.. seems connected at the very least

[tiny hatch]

smiles werent vega punk

[pastel summit]

wow, almost like it's also different to what we know too? I don't understand your point here at all.

[proven monolith]

then CC tried to recreate

[pastel summit]

"It's different to us, that's why it's a joke" "it's different to the characters in the manga, that's why it's serious"???

[tiny hatch]

because you are meaning one thing but keep saying stuff that doesnt mean what you are trying to say

[tiny hatch]

the characters in the series dont know about dinosaurs the way we do. Heck we don’t know much. Sure its a joke for us but not too the characters it being ridiculous doesnt mean its a joke to them.

Nor did any of them find it funny

[pastel summit]

this is just circular. once again. I'm out, I'm going to request you to stop pinging me about this discussion.

[proven monolith]

i think Vegapunk started it and years later CC tried to imitate but came up very short

[tiny hatch]

you are the one who said they were modified

[solid pebble]

Rediculous and joke are different , for characters it was rediculous for us it was joke.

[tiny hatch]

thank you

[tiny hatch]

that was actually confirmed vegapunk tried making an artificial df which is what momo ate ceaser tried to replicate that

[proven monolith]

at one point didn't Queen, Germa and vegapunk do research together?

[solid pebble]

I hope oda now goes to tell more about internal working of world government now lol, heck we don't even know the last new admiral

[tiny hatch]

yes

[proven monolith]

over 1,000 chapters of info.. my mind has been blown to many times now

[tiny hatch]

fair

[proven monolith]

clearly not how nature intended.

that fruit can not be considered a complete success..Just because he ate it and gained a new power and didn't die..its a partial success but also a very funny failure

[formal bridge]

Btw they do know about dinosaur did you forget little garden

[naive wolf]

im actually up to the idea that the cannon dinosaurs are those who depict on King and Queen's df, and rather the little garden's are made up by science

[formal bridge]

But it was said that little garden was left untouched for several years

[pure raven]

I saw this theory on social media.

What if Eustass was one of the "D"

and Luffy's "3D2Y" was actually

3 "D" vs 2 Yonkou

[formal bridge]

Yeah seen that here already

[serene pasture]

Guys, Rayleigh knew Luffy's fruit is Zoan and didn't tell him the truth

He probably knew Joy boy had the Nika fruit

Maybe Joy boy didn't write in his laugh tale that he had rubber abilities though, so he didn't realize it was gomu gomu no mi

[robust dust]

Last night we were talking about why Luffy can utilize the fruits full potential and Joyboy couldn't...someone said it might be that he has no desire to rule which is a good point but what if it has to do with possibly innocence....
I don't think Luffys perspective on life has ever been corrupted by his experiences. He has treated every opponent and individual he has met as an equal regardless of who they are.

He never paid a single thought on receiving blood from a fishman, in his mind it was simply getting blood from Jinbei(a fellow person, friend, ect)

He faces most of his opponents based off of their strength, rather than with a mindset that's judging their opponent for their actions.

When he punched that celestial dragon, in his mind he was punching someone who hurt his friend, I dont think he truly understood that he was punching someone of high class/power. Some people interpret that as him not giving af, but I don't think that's all there is to it.

When he fought Arlong, it was because he made Nami cry, not because of all the messed up things Arlong did on top of that.

He follows his instincts, which is to eat, sleep, and fight strong opponents

I think a nice touch is that when he was being showered by woman, and even when he saw Boa naked, he didn't feel any type of way because he's innocent.

Some people look at brook and see a creepy skeleton, or a perv lol, but Luffy was like "wait a talking skellie, that's so cooooool"

And that way that only Luffy, Chopper, and Usopp look at Franky with star eyes when he does some cool stuff, while the others are like meh

Some people don't like the way Luffy has been fighting in the current chapters but I think it's a testament to the imagination of kids.

[robust dust]

To be fair, it might have been why Rayleigh chose to have Luffy train with animals rather than just himself or fellow strong friends that I'm sure he could have called on.

Also I don't think Luffy would have wanted to know such a thing nor would he have understood it. The same way he had no hesitation to crush the log pose that lead to the one piece. He doesn't like cheating and he doesn't like short cuts. Luffy working his way from the gomu gomu to the Nika fruit is the only way he would have wanted to do it and Rayleigh respected that

[robust dust]

Also also the way he had Usopp shoot down the WG flag, it wasn't because he knew that was an F U to the government, it was to make it clear that he was going to save Robin. All he asked was "Do you want to live?" And when she said yes, that was enough

Thoughts ?

Joyboy was a full fledge adult, and he probably had a clear definition of right and wrong, and even if his definition was "correct" I think it held him back. I'm sure the way he utilized the fruit might be very different from how Luffy utilizes it. It's been obvious that the only limit on ones use of their powers isn't the power itself but the imagination of the user. Joyboy is what happens when you give that fruit to an adult. Luffy is what happens when you give the fruit to a child.

But alas, we know almost nothing about Joyboy so it's all speculation lmao

His whole crew consists of those who have clear values and goals. Not a single member of em has any bad intentions or underlying motives. Robin used to use others and her life revolved around lies, deceit, and death. Now she is simply following her passion of learning about the void century and helping Luffy as a bonus, rather than using Luffy to reach her goals like she has done before

[robust dust]

Luffys crew*

[formal bridge]

But he knew about wg though that definitely was him not giving af spandam told him the power of wg

[robust dust]

Fair enough

[dense coral]

i wonder what makes you think joyboy is a full-fledge adult and why contrary to luffy he rather has better grasp of "correct" which held him back. i initially thought the failure before was because somebody betrayed? and probably the role of betrayal will be repeated by another D and that will be Teach. not sure though. just theory. Also, reason why i think of this is bec theres also possibility that Joyboy is indeed of Luffy's age or close to his age. and probably could be one of the reasons why it's Luffy and not Roger, nor Ace. Ofcourse this is just theory too haha lmao

[formal bridge]

Yeah if he was adult he should be call joyman

[dense coral]

makes sense haha

[formal bridge]

I think will of d is to help the next joyboy whether by being as friend or being as enemy depends on the person

[dense coral]

yeah. and currently there are 5 of them.

[obsidian yoke]

Im gonna say it right here, I think Joyboy was an oni

Same species as Kaido

[robust dust]

Hmm maybe Joyboy started out like Luffy but betrayal changed something in him/affected him too much...if Zoro, or well any crew member stabbed Luffy in the back in positive that would definitely change him in time, not at first as he wouldn't be able to process it right away but it would change him. So I see your point

[robust dust]

Interesting play on why Kaido believed Joyboy was who he needed to wait for

[obsidian yoke]

I'm interested to learn more about Kaido and his backstory. And about the oni species in general

Granted he could know about Joyboy from his time in Rocks

[robust dust]

Would be interesting if Kaido was like the last child of his people before they were wiped out . The question is if all Oni are as durable(can't be killed) or if it's just Kaido.if they are then how were they wiped out, why is Kaido the only living Oni we have seen. Maybe they have their own "Wano" where no one is allowed and Kaido left to see the world but couldn't return and that's why he was fond of Wano, not just the future profits

[formal bridge]

Why do you think joyboy was betrayed

[wide atlas]

damn whoever made this kinda predicted Luffy’s awakening 4 years ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/7xjuoc/rubber_hose_animation_style/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[obsidian yoke]

The elepahnt was cursed after failing a promise and he was joyboys companion

[naive wolf]

@robust dust im agree about the posibility of Joyboy being the transformation of a man grown awakening the Nika's fruit, like we keep imagining that Roger and Luffy's personality was repeatedly from generation to generation since the first joyboy that somehow make his will go on for centuries, but thinking that he was a normal man who transform into a childlike being for amusing of others is interesting

[naive wolf]

im also agree about Teach betraying the will of D somehow, like people remarked he aint smile in front of death

[spark relic]

He didn't fail any promises... "He committed a crime"

[obsidian yoke]

Eh close enough really

[spark relic]

No it's not... Failing a promise may be Joyboy's fault but Zunesha just took responsibility and put himself with Joyboy, there's no way in hell a 1000ft tall elephant would be making a promise to anybody @obsidian yoke

A crime on the other hand could have actually been committed by him, take for example a situation against the a higher authority and Joyboy told him not to act but he did, that's crime

[obsidian yoke]

There is also Joyboys apology which seems like something happened to him outside of his control. So the note and the elephants guilt feels like everything is lining up

[spark relic]

Yes that too

Why was Imu with Luffy's, BlackBeard's, and Shirahoshi's and Vivi's pictures?

[formal bridge]

Btw is new world really shallow or is zunesha too huge

[spark relic]

Zunesha is too huge

[formal bridge]

Can zunesha travel to fishman island then

[spark relic]

He's been moving about as penance for his crimes

[spark relic]

Not possible... HE IS LARGER THAN FISHMAN ISLAND

[formal bridge]

I Mean depth wise

[spark relic]

I think he reaches the ocean floor

Luffy used his fruit to affect Kaido which is probably characteristic to only Awakened Nika fruit because we've not seen another person with awakening affect another person with it

So it's possible that Joyboy gave Zunesha really long legs so he can take him around the world

Instead of having a ship Zunesha was Joyboy's means of transportation

If this isn't the case that means Zunesha would have an ability that let's him walk on water which has to be magic because if it isn't magic but rather a df, Zunesha would be dead because he would have fallen into the ocean unable to swim

[formal bridge]

I don't think the affect remains that long

[spark relic]

So it's definitely a modification from Joyboy or Magic and I strongly doubt the latter

[spark relic]

Why? Punk hazard?

[formal bridge]

@spark relic that's been only some time though

Also it could be burning with natural reason now like maybe there is oil there

[spark relic]

They changed both the islands climate and geographical look

I think the effect of awakenings last forever

[formal bridge]

@spark relic do you think then that luffy can turn an island in bouncy one in future?

[robust dust]

Oh I thought that's what your theory was so I going off of that

[formal bridge]

@robust dust btw you know ivankov can change other people genders do you think they would revert if thrown in sea or used sea stone on them

[robust dust]

Well with Haki and such I think Willpower might have some play. Like if Iva used the ability on the straightest person in the world than maybe they would revert in sea, but I'm sure Ivan(what the pronouns again) only uses the ability and those who truly want it and maybe the ocean couldn't affect it anymore...all speculation tho but very interesting topic

[spark relic]

Yeah

[robust dust]

It would be tragic if someone wanted a sex change and Ivan granted that and one day the WG is slapping some sea prism hands cuffs on and they change back

If a zoan fell into sea while in transformation, would they drown as the animal/mythic/etc or would they revert and then drown?

[spark relic]

No his abilities change people's gender it's part of his ability

[formal bridge]

They remain animal they can't control their df powers

[robust dust]

I mean the changes Ivan makes are on a hormone level correct ?

[formal bridge]

It's his df not ability hormone hormone fruit

[spark relic]

Yes

[formal bridge]

So df abilities are permanent

[robust dust]

Than I would assume that a person who had their sex changed wouldn't be affected by the sea

[formal bridge]

Unless user reverts it back

[spark relic]

Yes

[spark relic]

Exactly it's not like they ate a df

[pure raven]

didn't the sea weakens df users and makes them won't be able to use their powers or even swim because it takes a lot of energy? or am i wrong

[formal bridge]

It's like normal sex change

[robust dust]

That sounds good. But what about the theory that Joyboy lengthened Zunishas legs, IF that was true are we saying that the legs would never have reverted unless Zunisha wanted to?

I'm just curious that someone came up with that further up the chat

[formal bridge]

Yeah they can do nothing remember luffy can still stretch under sea but someone else has to move him

[spark relic]

It doesn't take away their powers it just makes them weak so they won't be able to move when in it

[pure raven]

where did you heard that theory

[robust dust]

Someone said it further up

[spark relic]

That was me

[formal bridge]

Gomu gomu can't lengthen anything permanently

[pure raven]

oh aight so i'm only 1% right

[formal bridge]

It can make things stretchy

[pure raven]

[robust dust]

Any theories as to how the Merry Go could speak/had a will?

[spark relic]

Lol yeah

[spark relic]

So how does Zunesha walk?

[formal bridge]

Maybe it's a giant animal naturally

[robust dust]

Maybe it was simply evolution....probably more than that tho

[pure raven]

isn't it's just klabautermann

[formal bridge]

Also by it's legs

[spark relic]

There's no way an animal would be that large naturally... And if it was just an animal how come people live on it?

[robust dust]

If weapons can eat/absorb devil fruits, is it cuz they weapons have wills of their own? The devil fruit just hopped into the weapon lol? The user of the weapon forced it? And could merry Go have eaten a fruit?

[pure raven]

it could be an ancient animal also your questions is weird, why don't you ask how come those trees from sabaody is huge

fishman island is already weird enough like those tree roots that keeps the island away from dark sea

[formal bridge]

Yeah things could be naturally huge i mean new world is weird

[abstract pond]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp07bMhXcAAPaJQ.jpg

[formal bridge]

Weaponns can only eat zoan no paramecia or logia

[pure raven]

maybe vegapunk add pieces of the devil fruit into the weapons while it was created

[formal bridge]

What if zunesha was never walking but swimming

Elephants can swim btw

[abstract pond]

It's confirmed walking by ODa in a vibre card explaining the specie iirc.
But elephants can swim so could be that for deeper oceans.

[pure raven]

his body would seems to be floating on the the sea then🤔

[formal bridge]

@pure raven https://images.app.goo.gl/HbzUTeYVMo4rQDJr6

[pure raven]

yeah, that's what i mean

[formal bridge]

I think the sea where zunesha is walking is shallow though

[rough garden]

King vs Marco, who wins? They're mechanically identical, if you look at their raw abilities. Fire manipulation, winged flight.

[abstract pond]

I put my money on Marco

[formal bridge]

@rough garden marco got healing
King is older than marco btw

[rough garden]

Marco got healing?

[formal bridge]

Yeah he can heal himself too

King is ancient zoan user while marco is mythical zoan

[rough garden]

Oh, then yeah I didn't actually know that. I'd put money on Marco then. If the list of powers is identical, but one has one more, the bet leads more into the one with more.

[formal bridge]

But marco has lower bounty than king@rough garden

[rough garden]

Also, question, do you think they were originally going to make Sanji a Lunarian? Since he's gradually gaining fire manipulation abilities.

[formal bridge]

He has many dna so he can be partial lunarian

[pure raven]

there is no ancient zoan...

it was already said that marco's flames can heal wounds and injuries, not that his forms could

[rough garden]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Zoan#Ancient_Zoan ?

[acoustic cairn]

what will happen if an earthquakes occur in rubber undulating areas...?luffy v bb

[spark relic]

So an elephant that's really huge will just be passing by and some other animals that walk (minks) would just ask hey, can we live on you were homeless and Zunesha will be like oh, Norone minks ichizoku, fuck no... Joyboy was the one who placed them there most likely

[pure raven]

is that roof piece dialogue predictions

[spark relic]

There are "trees" like you said, which means more than one and that is just a hyperbole on huge trees in real life, there are equally mangroves that have trees that stretch down really deep into water bodies but reaching the ocean floor is different... That's def a hyperbole on large mangroves trees in real life

[acoustic cairn]

ohh I feel like if they keep clash on it maybe a new land has been created ,.yo mindblow

[rough garden]

I want Edward Weevil to be important.

[spark relic]

Joyboy inscribed his apology to the fishmen on a poneglyph 900yrs ago yeah? Who made the poneglyphs? - - - >The Kozuki that's who, now we know that the Kozuki made the poneglyphs 800 yrs ago which means that Joyboy's apology was inscribed at least a century after he wrote his apology and also meaning that he had strong ties with the Kozuki either in person or through the fishmen who he knew personally... Also the Kozuki have been friends of the minks since time immemorial so it goes to show that the Kozuki were the ones( through the permission of Joyboy and the compliance of Zunesha), who moved the minks to stay on Zunesha's back

[pure raven]

so are you saying that sea kings are also zoans or something

[spark relic]

I never even implied that Zunesha ate a df

I said his legs were elongated by Joyboy

[pure raven]

i also mean by "something" too

[tired depot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tpstav/luffys_fruit_and_long_ring_long_land_theory_1044/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[pure raven]

i only mentioned the zoans part cuz many seems to be following the theory

[spark relic]

The sea kings may be huge but that's reasonable since they're many and they so huge and also they are the ones who were meant to carry the Noah with the help of poseidon above the sea

Zunesha's size doesn't make sense since he is the only one like that

[silver sphinx]

Unless there’s another elephant in Paradise

[spark relic]

😂

[pure raven]

i wonder what about the florian triangle

[spark relic]

It's not possible... Jack a Fishman who ate a Zoan fruit couldn't swim when he was in the Ocean what makes you think anybody will

[silver sphinx]

Remember the mysterious figure at the end of Thriller Bark? Must was covering it just like how mist covers Zunesha.

[spark relic]

God bless you my man

Anyone who still doubts Zunesha's legs aren't elongated, click the above link that my man @tired depot posted

[pure raven]

wdym? i said "many seems to be following the theory" meaning i've seen people talking about them, not that i said "i think many people are following the theory", there's whole difference there

[tired depot]

Woah now that you say that. Joy but probably did elongate zunesha’s legs

[spark relic]

Ohk sorry

[spark relic]

Lemme see a scan

[silver sphinx]

Okay if Zunesha’s legs and LRLL are evidence of Joyboy’s awakening, then surely there is evidence of other zoan fruit awakenings in One Piece right? Cuz so far we theorized it to be only logias permanently affecting the area around them.

[spark relic]

Did you see when Doffy turned those buildings to strings?

[formal bridge]

Can franky make raid suit similar to germa one

[silver sphinx]

But they disappeared when he fainted. Punk Hazard, the lightning island, etc all stayed that way even after the logia users left. Joyboy died 800 years ago but his awakening is still in effect on zunesha and LRLL. They didn’t disappear when the user was unconscious.

[spark relic]

That's the point I was trying to proof

[keen vault]

bounty has nothing to do with strength

its just how big of a threat they are to the world government

[dense coral]

surely we already know about Luffy, BB and Shirahoshi. With Vivi it was still unclear, but we're given a clue when Alabasta mourn about something happened to the king, together with the news about Sabo. If there'll be a royalty role thats needed for the future war probably the one playing that will be Alabasta Kingdom. Also, Vivi's personality is deemed a good ruler of nation

[spark relic]

It does... But the fact that they are strong doesn't make them unbeatable is what you're supposed to say... There's no way someone of 1-5 billion bounty won't be feared for their strength

[keen vault]

no strength does play a fact but it is not a trustable/viable option to use to compare strength in some cases ye it does but generally no

[dense coral]

in Skypiea the animals there grew so big too, thats what happened to the bird who went there with Straw Hats. also, the animals in the island Ussop went to during timeskip were insanely big

[spark relic]

Give me an example of a weak person with a high bounty and I'll rest my case

[keen vault]

Arlong

[nimble schooner]

Buggy

[spark relic]

Lol... Arlong's bounty wasn't high although in the face of some other pirates who barely have a bounty it is

[dense coral]

legend

[wide crane]

She was just loved and looked after I think it’s part of Japanese folk lore but I’m not sure about that last part

[keen vault]

he had the highest bounty in the east blue💀

[keen vault]

Jack from kaidos crew he has such a high bounty but weak af

[dense coral]

aint sure if it's revealed but how much is weevil's bounty?

[wide crane]

Buggy

[spark relic]

That doesn't mean that he was high... You can be stronger than somebody but that doesn't make you strong you can also be weaker than somebody but that doesn't make you weak

[leaden trench]

You mean his opponent are top tier?

[spark relic]

Jack who beat minks in sulong form alone?

[keen vault]

even then he didnt put that much of a fight with the dog guy forgot his name

[leaden trench]

Besides bounty doesn't means Strong tho

[spark relic]

I think you have a misconception of weak and strong my man... Not every body is expected to be as strong as Roger or whitebeard and also just because they are defeated doesn't make them weak either @keen vault

[keen vault]

thats what im saying bounty does not equal strength

[leaden trench]

Oh ok I take it out of context here

[keen vault]

ok but i still think bounty is how much of a threat that person is to the world governement and that strength does not play a major role

[leaden trench]

Higher bounty ≠ Strength, it's how much a threat you are to WG example Robin, she got a high bounty when she was little

[dense coral]

what i actually notice with bounties is that how dangerous a pirate is to the civilians is also a factor

[formal bridge]

We can't theorize their power level then like we haven't seen so many characters fight like dragon

[dense coral]

yes threat to WG too

[formal bridge]

How are you gonna find out how strong dragon is

[keen vault]

Child Robin she got 90 or 80 million bounty as a kid just rememeberd

[formal bridge]

If not by bounty

[leaden trench]

Monkey D dragon?

[nimble schooner]

Usopp, 200 mil, still very weak

[dense coral]

cant yet. but with strategies, u can measure how strategic he is

[formal bridge]

Yes

[spark relic]

We all know Buggy was imprisoned in just level 1 of impel down and he got his title of shichibukai because of how misunderstood his actions were during the war and his followers who were stated to be stronger than him and he was pretending to be strong too... And mind you when people are given the title of shichibukai it is because of what they do not their level of threat... Buggy fooled them into thinking he was strong that is why they requested that he be part of them, he is a clown so...

[dense coral]

he got that boubty after bec he chikaboom a child in dressrosa haha

[spark relic]

Because of what she knew... She wasn't even a pirate yet remember?

[formal bridge]

So i was talking marco vs king . Marco has low bounty as well as younger than king can you guess who is stronger

[leaden trench]

We don't know for sure but he is the leader of a group that opposes WG so his bounty is high

[keen vault]

that just proves my point its the amount of threat she is to the world government and not the strength

[dense coral]

uhh Buggy is member of Rogers Pirates and it was mentioned during marineford. probably that played huge role in increasing his bounty

[formal bridge]

Doesn't mean he is stronger he could be just smart like if he is so strong why did he run from baltigo

It depends on bounty too

[spark relic]

She wasn't a threat my man, knowing about the Void Century doesn't make you a threat, it is forbidden and so it is a crime to know

[halcyon tusk]

(separate note)..it’s kinda sketchy how Dragon would’ve only been like 11 maybe 12 when luffy was born.. suspect.. cause he is 31 now right? and luffy is 19.. ion know bro.. that’s hella sus

[leaden trench]

No clue but since his location is exposed he relocated so WG don't find their Base

[nimble schooner]

Waiting for a weak character from way early to make a random comeback late in the series, but have super Chad powers after mastering their devil fruit

[leaden trench]

She is a threat, you know how much Information can fucked WG and their status?

[formal bridge]

Dragon is 55

[dense coral]

well idk but king surely is a combat type, right hand also of kaido so surely none of them is weak but in battle strategies / tactics also plays a role in winning and Marco isnt dumb so idk

[keen vault]

that is a threat the world government doesnt want anyone learning bout the void century for a reason theres a reason why its forbidden because its a threat to the world government otherwise why would she have a massive bounty and why would it be forbidden

[halcyon tusk]

then why tf it just tel me he 31. google a dirty fibber. knew that seemed crazy

[spark relic]

The world government were just saving face

[formal bridge]

Dragon is 36 yrs older than luffy

[dense coral]

nahh WG doesnt want anyone else to know about ancient weapons and stuff

[halcyon tusk]

yeah yeah it was my mistake. went and searched it again and it was a completely different image and correct info. the previous page is seemingly nowhere to be found

[dense coral]

after Oden if im not mistaken only Robin is left to be able to read poneglyph which will lead to reveals about Void Century, weapons etc

[formal bridge]

Also that was just a photo of dragon at age 31 not tell that his age is 31

[keen vault]

who agrees that the bounty system is a system in which determines the threat to the world government rather than a power scale

[leaden trench]

And when they are exposed the MASSES will stir them trouble that they can't handle, remember not only Yonkos is their enemy, the massas of civilians too

[keen vault]

exactly

[spark relic]

In the case of Who's Who, who was an agent of the CP9, when he escaped imprisonment why was he ordered to be killed? Did he know about the Void Century too? No, it would set a negative precedent... TO SAVE FACE

[formal bridge]

Actually higher bounty means urgency to deal with them

[dense coral]

WG decides bounty so yes it's all about them

[formal bridge]

He knew about nika from guard also about luffy's fruit

[keen vault]

he was part of a top secret organization called CP0/CP9 they basically handle the secret stuff like going after those who seem like a threat and an example of this is when they went after robin and they cant have stuff from that organiztion being leaked to the world cos that would weakan the world government

[leaden trench]

So nobody knows Nika fruit exist, you know how powerful that is? Luffy is jumping robe a Yonko

[spark relic]

He knew about Nika but he wasn't aware it was linked to Luffy's fruit and who the hell didn't know about Nika, elbaf? Fishmen? Strawhats? Skypiea?... There are lots of people who know Nika, it wasn't a secret at all

[dense coral]

and because of that ridiculous decisions of WG saying somebody is a big threat or should be dealt with immediately despite helping citizens, both Fujitora and Sengoku alreasy started to get pissed so yes it's about how theyre a threat to WG's long time scheme. aint only losing face

[formal bridge]

He could have joined the dots like why would wg secure a paramecia

[leaden trench]

Ussop bounty is bigger than chopper does that mean Ussop is stronger than chopper 1v1?

[formal bridge]

Yeah he can snipe that pet

[dense coral]

chopper really is the best example of strong but 100berries haha

[leaden trench]

No

[formal bridge]

According to marines

[keen vault]

lmaoo 1 tabasco star and choppers out cold

[formal bridge]

Marines haven't seen chopper fight thats why he is so low on bounty

[dense coral]

yeah and it's why bounty alone isnt indicator of strength

[keen vault]

exactly chopper didnt seem like a threat and thats why his bounty is soo low

[leaden trench]

Isn't Ussop higher than Franky? Too

[keen vault]

ye

its cos of the GOD ussop incident

[nimble schooner]

Don flamingo gave usopp a high bounty, the wg agents assumed it’s because he’s a threat, but really don was just pissed

[leaden trench]

Rest this case then Bounty ≠ power level, just measure their scale in their feats

[spark relic]

The world government doesn't want people to know about the Void century and stuff because it would make people be aware of 900yrs worth of history that was wiped out for specific reasons and they would loose face... In a way they are eliminating a threat but also not exactly... They are eliminating a threat in the the sense that they would loose face and won't be viewed as all powerful anymore and Not exactly in the sense that strength of the fugitive matters a lot in assigning their bounty except if they're shichibukai... Luffy or the straw hats don't know shit about the Void Century but their bounty keeps rising steadily, meaning it's because of their actions against the world government or any of the organisation's affiliated with them because that... This is how bounties are assigned and that is a fact... When you know about the Void Century or the secrets of the world government you're eliminated because you're not supposed to know any of that and you can leak it to anyone and among humans things spread like wildfire

So they need to be eliminated, not because they're threats but because the world government can't have people knowing anything about the Void Century or any of their secrets and so it is dimmed a crime, that is why the person is eliminated

[leaden trench]

So they are threat

Anyway anybody have a theory?

I thought this a theory section not power scalers

[spark relic]

No, they are criminals

[keen vault]

Robin literally knows about the void century now im thinking u havent even watched the anime/manga💀

[leaden trench]

Criminal are threat

[dense coral]

why is knowing a secret not considered a threat? lol causing somebody to "lose face" is also another form of a threat, unless that somebody doesnt care

[keen vault]

i have a bb theory i found in tik tok

[leaden trench]

Spill this guy dumbfoolery

[nimble schooner]

New bounties after wano are gonna be nuts. Luffy gonna be on deaths door while people are trying escape, but Zunisha is gonna sacrifice itself to save him and repay the debt to joyboy.

Wano opens its boarders to zou who are now homeless and there is much rejoicing

Law, Kidd, and luffy hash out a new alliance and probably part ways

[leaden trench]

Facts

[spark relic]

Usopp beats chopper In 1v1 so yes he is stronger... He could easily use sleeping gas and that's a defeat...

Besides it may be funny but Usopp actually defeats people

[leaden trench]

Aight

[spark relic]

It is not a threat it is a crime

[keen vault]

So the theory is that the gomu gomu no mi is not the only devil fruit whos name was hidden and that being the yami yami no mi which has no similaritys to a logia type other than the fact thats its an element and it cannot phase attacks like other logias and the real fruit is calld the moon god fruit and this makes sense in terms of parralels for bb and luffy cos sun and moon light and dark and this could explain bbs multiple faces theory

[leaden trench]

Bruh this guy trolling stop replying to him

[keen vault]

who?

[leaden trench]

Moon god exist?

[keen vault]

idk its just a theory

[leaden trench]

This Boruto dude

[dense coral]

then u can apply the theory of evolution of laws why is a deed be considered a crime? isnt it because it's a threat? 😆

[leaden trench]

There is Sun GOD Rain God earth God forest God

[spark relic]

Not necessarily... The marines were no longer trying to capture WB pirates and the others when they found out Ace and Luffy were the sons of Roger and Dragon... Because they knew that if allowed them to live longer they may turn out to be just as strong as their fathers

[leaden trench]

I think the God's would be the picture IMU haves

BB Earth Vivi Rain Shira Forest and Luffy Sun

[dense coral]

and moon will be Momo?

[leaden trench]

I never hear moon god before if it exists can I see a chapter

[spark relic]

This theory of Gods make no sense... Skypiea worshipped Gods but that doesn't mean you have to personalize them, the sun God was an ancient warrior so most likely Nika was already a person who existed... If you're working with that logic how do you explain the other dfs? They must all be gods too then? Like I think Katakuri is the God of Mochi or Law is the God of operation and Kizaru may be the God of light... Please stop the bullshit and think

[tawdry bramble]

50 chapters ago if people started saying Luffy was the Sun God you’d say that was bullshit too

[leaden trench]

Yeah he is just a troll pay no attention it's Boruto braindead fans

[keen vault]

what are you on abt bro i swear did u know that luffys df was sun god? i swear to god bro u use ur brain

[weak lava]

Well devil fruits being god fruits would be ironic

[keen vault]

lmao

[weak lava]

I like that idea

[spark relic]

If Momonosuke who's fruit was made from Kaido's and not even an original devil fruit in the beginning is the Moon God, what do you call Kaido himself the real owner of the devil fruit? If Vivi was the God of rain why did alabaster suffer drought for so long, if BB is the God of earth why does he control darkness and not the earth?

[keen vault]

and who said all df had to be related to god certain special types of devil fruits fit into that category not all of them do

[tawdry bramble]

Why doesn’t Luffy control the sun?

[leaden trench]

Don't debate him he is just looking for attention at this point

[keen vault]

BRO ITS JUST A THEORYI SWEAR BORUTO FANS ARE BRAIN DEAD

[spark relic]

It was and always has been and Nika himself which is Luffy's df model has been hinted at before ever he awakened at least 3 times in the story

[spark relic]

A theory can make sense, just because it's a theory doesn't mean you can just spout some random rubbish you tubers and people who haven't thought about it properly say???

[keen vault]

but did u know that it was the nika nika no mi? i dont think so, so its too early to tell and bb not being abe control earth we dont even know the capabilitys of his dark dark fruu=it and luffy has the sun god fruit yet he doesnt control the fruit

[spark relic]

No I'm not... I want to know why everyone is on about this God stuff when apparently it makes no sense

[weak lava]

I don’t think being the god of earth for bb makes sense

[spark relic]

Luffy uses fire so it's related at least

[keen vault]

ye my theory did make sense and the 4 gods do aswell except without those specific ppl the order could be sorted around and new ppl can be introduced to fit the role to have thise god devil fruits

[weak lava]

It could make sense

Gaea is horrifying.

[leaden trench]

Say that again to the person predict Luffy is Sun god theory doesn't matter

[spark relic]

Whatever man you're free to think whatever you want

[keen vault]

yes it could we just need to right candiates and the god of rain of rain could be imu-sama cos she is realted to be having a water df

[weak lava]

Gaea is a figure of darkness btw

[grim pine]

https://tenor.com/view/saywhat-huh-confused-iamconfused-youlyin-gif-22766635

[tawdry bramble]

So I don’t think this has come up much from what I’ve seen over the years but theoretically an inanimate object could have eaten the Model Nika and we would just have the Sun God back in the flesh right?

[keen vault]

fr? daamn bb was introduced in gaia

[visual merlin]

You don't have to have predicted everything that would happen in the manga to say a theory doesn't make sense

[keen vault]

i mean ye

[tawdry bramble]

This really does beg the question of where devil fruits come from and how they’re made.

[merry sparrow]

Is there any YouTubers that everyone fucks with? Like Ik people are really hot on library of O’Hara and tekking. But brago, ohara, and GLF got a lot of hate around them

For theories specifically I ask that, but I guess kind of in a general sense too

[keen vault]

rly brago and ohara are hated? their so good tho

[merry sparrow]

Like normal O’Hara not library of O’Hara

I feel like he gets the most hate overall

[spark relic]

Thanks man, but these guys are unbelievable so don't argue with them it'll just drain you

[keen vault]

wait hes the one who created the best one piece theory t=right?

[keen vault]

thats literally you lmao💀

[weak lava]

They could come from a divine tree.

[merry sparrow]

O’Hara did the one piece is under Marie Jois theory. While library of O’Hara has the theory that the one piece is sake

[weak lava]

But why?

[merry sparrow]

Ohara is known for just copying others and stealing others peoples ideas from the subreddit as his own. It was a big deal recently

[tawdry bramble]

Because he’s pretentious and peddling theories he doesn’t even believe in.

[sonic shale]

If I believe correctly it was under ennies lobby. Or no?

[keen vault]

really damn

[merry sparrow]

Maybe it was that idk that’s besides the point

[weak lava]

Idk about all that

[merry sparrow]

Ok you don’t know but it’s literally facts that he does that

[keen vault]

i knew he took inspiration from the sub reditt but didnt know it was this bad

[merry sparrow]

Yeah like literally direct quotes lol

[weak lava]

I’ve never seen that in any of his videos. He never claims the theories are his to my knowledge

[keen vault]

lmaoo i mean i guess he deserves it but he does credit the userrs who created the thoerys

[merry sparrow]

Nah he doesn’t unless it’s already a popular theory

[keen vault]

rly damn never knew

well i got football soon so ima go get ready

[spark relic]

I'm not the one who watches YouTube theorists that don't have a proper backing to them, hell I don't even watch YouTube theories at all, if you see me with a theory I am the one who came up with it if I didn't I'll say I didn't so you know that's not my thought ... I argue when I know I'm right except if I can be proved wrong but going round and round over a topic isn't something I do because that just shows that the person I'm arguing is adamant and once someone is not only adamant but also unbelieving you can't change their mind because they are convinced that they are right so... Yeah whatever you say is right, yes you win👏

[sonic shale]

Best OP theorist "Joyboy theories" hands down

[merry sparrow]

I like him he’s dope

[red nacelle]

By the way i only yesterday watched Artur 's big theory. I must say i liked it a lot. Everything was properly explained. What do you think about it?

[merry sparrow]

I fucking love it dude

[weak lava]

Well I don’t really care, I haven’t seen him steal theories he just talks about them and until I see that in his videos won’t care.

[merry sparrow]

Obviously if you enjoy watching the dude then keep doing it. I just am not a fan of the guy personally

We all love the same thing so there’s no hate on what your sources are with it

[red nacelle]

I was really amazing. I saw people saying the one piece is sake and i just laughed it off before. But since yesterday i dont know man. It makes a lot of sense

[merry sparrow]

Yeah it does make a lot of sense. There’s a lot of logical evidence getting backed behind it, and he started working on it years ago (I think?) and it’s been aging extremely well

[red nacelle]

https://youtube.com/channel/UCr3NfYEM9uFWC6mR4XawZIA

I found a new youtuber recently. Good editing.

[merry sparrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tqx0yx/known_youtubers_stealing_reddit_comments_long_read/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

That’s a Reddit post recently about YouTubers (ohara) stealing people comments verbatim in his video with no credit

[keen vault]

i barely watch youtube theorists unless theyre rly popular and the bb theory i found did have arguements backing it up and i proved to you that bounty is how much you are a threat to the world government and not a reliable to powerscale and u told me to give an example and i gave robin so i think your the one who cant except the fact

[merry sparrow]

Kenes what you say goes both ways tho. Like Robin is a huge threat with a small bounty, and Usopp is minimal threat with a 200m bounty. So idk about that one

[red nacelle]

I think wjat you say is fairly established from the beginning

[keen vault]

ye i agree with the ussop one but the only reason he got a 200 million bounty cos of GOD ussop and nothing else

he only defeated sugar

[merry sparrow]

What if the WG found out that Usopp was called God Usopp and just based on the chance he has a Mythical devil fruit of a god. Similar to luffy

[red nacelle]

Defeated is a strong word

[red nacelle]

Too much credit to our scaredy cat

[merry sparrow]

Lmao

[keen vault]

ye thats what i was thinking like it could have been a misconception and the wg could have gotten scared and just gave him that 200 million bounty

[merry sparrow]

Lol could totally make sense

[keen vault]

well thats the greatness of GOD ussop

[merry sparrow]

Aight it’s 4am and imma go to bed. I’ll see y’all around ❤️

[keen vault]

aight GN

[red nacelle]

Gn

[grim pine]

LIBRARY OF OHARA IS FIRE

[mental parrot]

Is Kaido now dead?
The last page of the chapter looks like this

[supple oyster]

Luffy’s new form being all White light is fitting given Blackbeard is Black darkness

[mint mauve]

nope! do you think the strongest creature in op universe will die that easily

[pure raven]

nah he's still alive. maybe just fall unconscious

[visual merlin]

No, his face reverts back to normal in the final panel

he's likely not unconscious either

[mental parrot]

But Luffys fist give him a headshot 😄

[pure raven]

he'll get up soon again

[visual merlin]

its just a strong punch nothing too new

[tribal patio]

Optical illusion

[pseudo basin]

Strong punch passing through his head, idk bro

[visual merlin]

yea then the head reverted back to normal

kaido's alright

[pure raven]

the head stretched, not passed through

[mint mauve]

but the way kaido beat luffy more than 3 time and he is still alive so i don't thik luffy punch is enough to take down kaido

[pseudo basin]

@pure raven still hurts i guess

[pure raven]

yea

[pseudo basin]

Dont worry , we will see his final ultra red hawk giant rifle 360* no scope

[mental parrot]

But you didn't see his head on luffys fist

[mint mauve]

yeah! hope so

[pure raven]

just look closely at luffy's hand when he punched kaido, i'm pretty sure the white color/mark is just oda showing us how the punch looks like

[mental parrot]

idk....

[mint mauve]

i think there will be a kaido flashback in the next chapter

[pseudo basin]

It could be the fruit passive which makes rubberish everything he touches so kaido’s head stretched or just the luffy’s hand pssing through (kaido is grey and luffy white, if oda meant to draw his stretched face he coudld’ve just drawn white arm and the fist with kaido’s skin and hair stretched behind)

[pure raven]

just look closely, it is stretched or else kaido would've lost his face

[pseudo basin]

If it is stretched why there is no hair nor kaido’s skin?

Let’s see what the next chapter says

[pure raven]

well it's just like what i said here

or how about try to go color his arm black and see if it even shown the fist or not

[raven pike]

Why is this fight so goofy🤦‍♂️😭

[pure raven]

there could be reasons to it and it's the only possibility have

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tu1vyr/luffys_personality_1045_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

try to read this, the theory is kinda have it's points and makes sense

[mental parrot]

yeah you can see Kaidos full face after luffys puncht so he is not dead

[little saffron]

lmao

[spark relic]

If No. 2 really happens then it would Joyboy saying he will return in 800yrs time (which is the present) will come to pass and which means Joyboy isn't a title but Luffy actually becomes Joyboy somehow like how the Avatar state mechanism works except if here Joyboy will take over not only his mind but his body too.

It's possible really but doing that will attribute whatever Luffy achieves in that state to the previous Joyboy which takes Luffy away from the spotlight and makes him share his power with Joyboy

[pure raven]

actually i see the comments there is much more fascinating like zoans fruit had always have will on own like carnivorous zoans will become more vicious so we might could take that luffy's fruit makes him joyful

[spark relic]

Btw df awakenings take time to master and it is said that the first time for one's awakening is the most draining experience but overtime he'll get used to it and fully master it, this is the pinnacle of luffy's gears but not the pinnacle of his forms and techniques, abilities too

[spark relic]

Lol... He is Joyful

[wide crane]

Nah he will just be able to talk to the thousand sunny he is the sun god after all

[pure raven]

yea, nika is very joyful

[spark relic]

That's a characteristic of the fruit... In the awakened state the user gets ecstatic

[pure raven]

i don't get what you're trying to say

[wide crane]

It was a dumb joke don’t worry about it

[pure raven]

is that supposed to be a pun? oh lol

[spark relic]

I think he's joking

I really want to know more about the Lunarian race

[graceful juniper]

I have a small theory about luffys plan in the fight i would like to bounce (pun intented) with you guys.

In page 12 of 1045, lowest left panel we see luffy "glare" right before getting hit in the head, and his head then changed to the shape Kaito bat. That "glare" panel reminded me of katakuris future sight, new luffy already mastered it, but he didn't use "logia" style like katakuri, where he changed his shape before the attack.

My theory is that now that luffy can control his buddy much better with no/less drawbacks, he can change his shape to null the attacks impact.

And in the next page we see him do that, the first attack he is unsuccessful in dodging, he says its hurts. But the second attack he takes, page 14, top right panel, we see the whole ground and luffys shape change and doesn't say it hurt, which i think means he nullified the attack and was able to bounce back "3,2,1, 0"

Anyway tell me what you think

[spark relic]

I like them... They're kind of like the Africans of one piece

[slate willow]

yeah that actually makes a lot of sense

[wide crane]

That’s a good thought and highly probable

[slate willow]

[pure raven]

theory: Joy Boy wore a regular straw hat. he died while in the equivalent of Luffy’s Giant Gear 5 and his hat was gigantified even after his death. they kept it in mariejoa

[spark relic]

Good theory... So you mean to say that the way Katakuri is mochi and since mochi is viscous he opens up his body to evade attacks is the same way that Luffy instead absorbs the attack but then makes the ground wobbly and bounces off therefore using both his body and the ground to negate the effects of an attack right?

[graceful juniper]

In the few panels we have gigant luffy we only see the straw Hat once and it keeps his normal size. Look at the panel right before luffy get smaller again(the one where his face is flat) You can see the hat considerably smaller then gigant luffy.

[wide crane]

That would make sense as Luffy seems to adapt things from his enemy’s fighting styles often such as gear 2 from cp0

[errant walrus]

sooo. They Always talk about the Will of D that shakes up and change the world

does “D” stand for Devil Fruit
and devil fruit I mean. Nika Nika To be exact.

E5 mentions that Zoan has a mind of it’s own. so when they refer to the will of D. it may just be reference to The DF mainly Nika looking for that individual who will inherit his wishes and usher freedom to everyone

[wide crane]

Why would it stand for devil fruit if not all people who have the will of D have a DF?

[errant walrus]

idk. it sorta fits

[wide crane]

In fact not every will of D that has a DF is zoan

[terse tangle]

My bet is on Dawn

[spark relic]

D may mean anything but I feel it's most likely a person who existed in the past and D was the epithet he was called

[wide crane]

Imagine if it dosent stand for anything it just D

[graceful juniper]

Maybe you can trap things into fruits to make them devil fruits. that why only zoan have a personality, because human and animals have a personality and smoke and fire(logia) don't.

It's its true then one would wander how paramicia is made

[spark relic]

I don't know when but I'm sure there will be magic in one piece at some point... We can debunk that science probably made paramecia and logia but for mythical and ancient zoans it will be impossible for science... Magic is def in one piece

[wide crane]

Wait is Robin technically a logia because her body is made of body and she can make and control more of her body

[spark relic]

😂 wtf is that?

She can make hands grow on surfaces and people and in her most powerful dorm she can spawn a larger version of herself by joining hands to create it... You may see her as large and humanoid but it's all hands man

[tawdry bramble]

There is no reason to think it’s all hands lol

[spark relic]

Plus the body she creates is still affected by attacks not necessarily Haki imbued attack but every attack, so basically in that form she's vulnerable af

[spark relic]

Well that's her ability and it can't leave the scope of it

I mean she makes giant legs too like Gigantesco Mano and we see hands forming it

She makes wings too and it's all hands

[tawdry bramble]

She doesn’t make ears and eyes out of hands

[spark relic]

So what makes you think she'll just make a large humanoid body and it'll just come out of thin air

[tawdry bramble]

She doesn’t make giant copies out of hands. She can clearly make any body part and is expanding to make some non regular body parts as well

“Humans” in one piece can have wings/horns. She can make those things now. It’s simply her ability expanding.

[graceful juniper]

I also want to see gigant luffy use the giant sword on onigashima entrance, and it's shown twice this chapter, maybe oda is hinting at it to remind us it's there

[graceful juniper]

Agreed, before time skip, she has to add a bunch of hands to create the wings. I think now she can create any body part she wants, wings horns, etc.

Now, please don't rule34 what I just said

[wide crane]

Too late it allready had happend

[proud tree]

guys what is the correct / more accurate translation for this scene? they are quite different ... (chapter 281)

[spark relic]

Kk

[spark relic]

I think it's this

[spark relic]

I don't think so, Luffy's fighting style is hand to hand and his strength is already more than enough for kaido rn... So it's less probable that this will happen

[crisp summit]

don’t they mean the same thing tho

[spark relic]

I'd like to see it too... In fact I wish Oda gives Luffy his own weapon @graceful juniper

[spark relic]

Maybe but one is more accurate and understandable

[proud tree]

thx is this official translation?

[graceful juniper]

There is also the skulls second horn, I would love to see Kaido in dragon form spiked by it.

Like if luffy pirce him though it as a final attack

But it's a bit too gore and out of place, especially with the current change

[spark relic]

😂 You really hate kaido don't you?

[spark relic]

Yes

[graceful juniper]

Can you not? I loved it before gear 5 when luffy was really really angry at him, I think it fits perfectly to luffys ideology of freedom considering what Kaido did to wano for the last 20 years.

But obviously I love his character and can't wait to see his flashback so we can learn more of his motivations and history

Why he though he was joy boy and why he gave up on that dream

[weak lava]

What kaido did is terrible. Point blank, but he’s strong as hell and clearly has a plan. Can’t cry over every egg I think the saying goes. But clearly there was going to be a gigantic war, that would’ve involved the emperors of the sea the wg and the revolutionaries.

But luffy kinda stirred all that up simply by existing. But he’s going to have to endure those battles that would’ve happen and if he doesn’t die by the end of the series I will be surprised.

[spark relic]

Luffy has surpassed any character who is a potential enemy... His lifespan is short not because he will be killed by his enemy but because his techniques involve manipulating his own metabolism thereby deteriorating his health

[weak lava]

That’s what I mean. Not that he will lose. He’s working himself to death. Literally

[spark relic]

Oh

It's not too late tho to bypass that

If he learns how to fight in base I don't see him dying so soon

[weak lava]

But it makes sense, he’s putting so much effort to have fun and saving people he cares about. Makes more sense than goku getting a heart disease from (???)

[spark relic]

Lol... I haven't watched Dragon Ball

[weak lava]

Watch the original

You’ll like it if you like one piece, z is okay but carries a different spirit.

It should’ve been told like one piece in one story. Watching luffy go through his life is great.

[spark relic]

I check out their major battles and forms tho

[weak lava]

Speaking of which how do you think he will be saved from lessening his life span so much? You think chopper is gonna figure something out? I feel like law might do something alongside chopper and Marko

[spark relic]

If it comes to his body probably but this is his lifespan we're talking about

[weak lava]

More to do with his spirit than his body maybe?

[spark relic]

The only one who can give or take lifespan is big mom, so if she helps him then maybe else I don't see Luffy living long

[wispy wedge]

do you guys think luffy will actually kill kaido?

[weak lava]

But his body also could very well be strained

[spark relic]

No Luffy doesn't kill people, he'll beat the living shit out of him and kick him out of wano tho

[wispy wedge]

is luffy the only strawhat who doesnt kill

[weak lava]

Not at all. Kaido is more likely to sacrifice himself once his spirit is broken

[wispy wedge]

zoro kills almost every enemy

[weak lava]

Yeah

[wispy wedge]

im pretty sure even nami killed

[weak lava]

Yeah she has, the straw hats kill people. Luffy beats them and breaks their spirit which might be worse, but they’re also pirates.

[wispy wedge]

luffy kills their dreams

which is worse than dying imo

[tacit veldt]

I think this might be a good leeway into a subplot focused on Chopper as he has to act like the doctor he Is for once and keep Luffy from destroying himself, a parallel to the relationship of Crocus and Roger

[wispy wedge]

maybe he teams up in final war with luffy and gets a good death?

maybe kaido can actually redeem himself

[tacit veldt]

Really, Chopper desperately needs some time in the spotlight and this Gear 5 does bring up some possibilities to have him be relevant

[lime cape]

do you think that Shanks appearance in MarineFord could be staged? the marines give up too early when he came

[weak lava]

Kaido will most likely redeem himself like some other villains might.

One piece isn’t a story where anyone is irredeemable

[wispy wedge]

orochi death deserved

[old bluff]

wondering if we'll see orochi and kanjuro's fruits reincarnate

and who'll end up getting them if/once they do

[proud tree]

nah they both will survive and get away, like Cesar clown got away after whole cake.

[old bluff]

they focused so much on their deaths so in so many ways i'd be surprised if they weren't killed off

kanjuro's "final stroke" "final scene" "death pact" etc etc

even if orochi doesn't die i dont expect kanjuro to live

[proud tree]

yeah Orochi pretty much focused at Kanjuro sacrificing his own live... I think Kanjuros ghost listened to Orochis commands and thats why he attacked Orochi in the end

[old bluff]

im curious about if fukurokuju survived though

he looked completely crisp and fried

[worthy dagger]

I feel like it's getting increasingly likely that either Luffy will die by the end of the manga, or that Law will have to use his ultimate operation on him.

It has been mentioned in the past that Luffy is eating away at his lifespan, either by using his Gears, or when Ivankov used his abilities to heal him.
And now, as he was seemingly down for good, his heart acts funky and he gets back up.

In the latest chapter, his transformation wears off for an instant, and he does not look in good shape, at all.
Then funky heartdrums are back, and he goes back in. Kaido even tells him he's gonna kill himself at this rate.

His gears always had drawbacks (exhaustion, baby Luffy, no haki), and I feel like this one's no exception, and may be the worst of all.

So maybe it's just a shonen thing and there will not be any long-terms consequences, but I doubt it.
There's also the fact that Law has a huge "Heart" theme going on, though it may be a stretch to tie it to Luffy's situation.

[pure raven]

Oda said he doesn't like to revive characters so I don't think luffy is gon die

[proud tree]

can Kaido breathe under water, since he ate the fish fish fruit?

[pure raven]

Probably not

[cyan cliff]

Theory: Stussy infiltrated the Tea Party because the contents of the Tamatebako (Energy Steroids) were created to replicate the strength of the Model Nika. The fruit having eluded them for 800 years, the prospect of the Steroids resurfacing was highly valuable to the World Government

Hody foreshadowed Luffy's transformation (pure "sulong" white/turns old when exiting form) I believe even Luffy's skin is paper white.

[proud tree]

But Hody did not show any gigantification or rubber abilities, so the pills would not be a copy of the rubber but just the awakening? Also it was not mentioned that Luffy became physically stronger because of his fruit, but it could be possible ....

[cyan cliff]

Failed project, like most. Amplified strength but not the gigantification which has been a project in the works for centuries. Also made Hody more angry rather than filled with joy. In my mind, it manages to replicate the look, same drawback, strength feats, but none of the actual abilities. Originally, I expected the energy steroids to be a project to replicate the Sulong form after 888. But now with Nika, that makes more sense. Although, there still could be a Mink connection.

[proud tree]

Another hint at this: Chapter 37. Kuro notes, after Luffy demonstrates a feat of superhuman strenght, that there is more to it then just stretching/rubber.... idk if this is valuable or not ....

Luffy was able to lift a giant rock and defeat Kuro that way.

I would say that Luffy was only able to lift that rock, because his fruit made him physically stronger.

[proud tree]

What about smile fruits? Are they also connected to experiments to recreate the Zoan Nika fruit?

[round heron]

This theory isn’t really fleshed out or anything but i wonder if there’s some significance to Luffy “mummifying” like becoming very old looking when he’s hungry or extremely tired? In Udon he says “if I don’t eat something I’m going to become a mummy”, he looks like one in WCI (I thought it was strange, he looks not just hungry but very old?) and then (1045->)|| in the most recent chapter when he got worn out he looked like an old man. || Im not quite sure where I’m going with this but it’s a strange pattern I noticed. It could just be for comedic effect but I found it really interesting. Maybe it could be related to some strange way his devil fruit effects his body, but beyond what we knew before.

[pure raven]

it means that mohdoo will clean up the messages that is not about theory and left the one with theories

[timid bolt]

I remember seeing a tweet about what the One Piece is and Oda saying it's an actual item or some sort of weapon maybe and not a 'symbolic' treasure. Is this true?

[pure raven]

it sounds more like a guess but well

[timid bolt]

naaa

You can see Luffy's personalities because he laughed differently in chapter 1045 (When he escape rocket out of kaido)

[pure raven]

he still laughs the same but it's just uncontrollably and much louder i assume but try to read this also the comments too, i'm pretty sure it answers some questions about zoans that we've forgotten

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ttu7nh/the_ideal_audience_for_luffy_in_his_current_fight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

also don't take the post seriously, some of it don't have a point especially the part luffy is sitting like a child, we can literally see that luffy is trying to stand at the panel when he seems exhausted

[pure raven]

um wait i sent the wrong link

here the right one

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tu1vyr/luffys_personality_1045_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[modest skiff]

I discussed this a bit in a manga channel but I have a slightly different take. I think it is from multiple wills rather than personalities. #also-manga message in my eyes there’s just not enough info to make a proper theory about it, which is why I posted this in a manga channel rather than here. But I do agree that the eyes will eventually mean something. It’s just that we have so little info right now everything feels like a shot in the dark. Do you have any other evidence or anything? This is one of my favorite topics but it’s very empty right now unfortunately

[low panther]

I bet luffys real dream is to be the most free person in the world, it is in line with what he said to Rayleigh and would make sense because it made Yamato cry

[weak lava]

What if his dream was to make the world a more fun place

Gotta admit that it is a more fun place with luffy around

[modest skiff]

This doesn’t explain the reactions of Oden, WB, Ace and Sabo. Whatever the dream is, it is totally outrageous and something most people would never even consider being possible or reasonable. My personal theory on the topic is that both of their dream was to travel to the sun.

[fringe elm]

Can luffy turn ussop into a giant now if ussop swallowed luffy?

[formal bridge]

Lol can ussop even eat luffy

[fringe elm]

huh, maybe if luffy can shrink himself

[pure raven]

not sure about shrinking to a size of an ant or maybe a little bigger (wait nvm an ant is way too small, my bad)

[formal bridge]

Luffy only shrunk before due to gear 3 drawback and that too was too big for ussop to eat

Btw do you guys think someday luffy might get elastic fatigue

Elastic fatigue happens when a body is subjected to repeated strains or deforming forces, even within elastic limits. Under such circumstances a body loses its property of elasticity.

What do you guys think

[split glacier]

Oda don't care about science like that

[pure raven]

oh good that you explains it right away as i was about to ask lmao. also i think it's maybe 50% not possible as he can recover or regenerate like any other zoans i believe

[formal bridge]

Yeah if you stretch a rubber band too much it loses its elasticity so maybe something can happen to luffy

[pure raven]

rather than having physical effect, i think he'll lose a bit of his lifespan

[weak urchin]

But he's technically not rubber right?

[pure raven]

he have body properties of rubber

[formal bridge]

He is not rubber man but his body is made of rubber

[weak urchin]

Ohh i thought he was just free. So he could move like that

[formal bridge]

Lol free

Wish i had that kind of freedom

[weak urchin]

I wanted to ask,
Did luffy's hand pass through kaido's head or his head got stretched

Sorry if i seem dumb

[formal bridge]

Put your hand through a balloon and don't rip it that's what happened

[weak urchin]

Okay, got it, thanks

[formal bridge]

@weak urchin i could have given an example of a more easy object that is used by men but that might ban me

[weak urchin]

XDDDD

[pure raven]

Are there any theories regarding to the Black Blades?

[ornate mesa]

I have a theory that black blades are made by uniting the will of the swordsmen and the blade itself as well as having a will powerful enough to compeltely dominate a blade (advanced conquerors). It'd explain why Ryuma and Mihawk are the only ones with BBs because Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks etc probably didn't know/ care about the will of the blade

[formal bridge]

It could also be to fool enemies into believing they are using armament haki all the time

Like just for show

[twin widget]

he ate a fruit that makes him a rubberman

[formal bridge]

Who is jewelry bonney btw

[spark relic]

Do you mean Meitos?

[ornate mesa]

yes

[pure raven]

my theory is that, the wielder of the swords shared strong "will" with the swords thus the wielder and the swords shared the same "will", strongly enough to turn the blade into darker color and much powerful

uh wait my grammar is on crack, sorry

[formal bridge]

Nobody likes the most obvious answer

[pure raven]

haki are invisible and nobody would even realize that even if it's black blade

[formal bridge]

Btw black blade aren't stronger that normal of same grade

[formal bridge]

Why does luffy go black

[pure raven]

oda make it black color so we can view or know that they're using haki

[ornate zodiac]

bruh that ain't confirmed

just a popular headcannon

[pure raven]

can you confirms what you said then? just curious

[ornate zodiac]

it's never been stated that armanent haki is invisible and we couldn't see it at all during the earlier parts of the series since Oda didn't flesh out haki properly until post timeskip

[pure raven]

no no, i mean by the sbs, vivre cards or data books, has there anything not mentioning about invisible haki?

[ornate zodiac]

not that I'm aware of

[pure raven]

hmm

[ornate zodiac]

also if it's invisible does that mean gear fourth is skin coloured?

[pure raven]

people do be talking about that lately, yes

[split glacier]

Black blades are "heavier". They've essentially been perma coated

[spark relic]

I think that's just the color of the swords

[formal bridge]

It (gear 4 i mean) would look weird if haki is invisible

[pure raven]

also noticed that (as iirc) the characters didn't even noticed any black coating but only haki presence instead (or something it was called as that, sorry if i'm wrong cuz i have terrible memories)

[graceful juniper]

I don't understand why people think everything was planned since day one.

I think we can assume oda wanted to add another power system other then the devil fruit but it took him same time to decide on every aspect of it.

We saw shanks use conqueror, we saw observation in skypia and and maybe armament somewhere but he gave it a final name only in Amazon lily and still to this day adds awesome additions to it.

[formal bridge]

Can someone edit luffy in gear 4 and remove the black haki

[ornate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/a/vxRBIZK

[graceful juniper]

We so armament in dragon holding smoker down

[ornate zodiac]

G4 without haki

[formal bridge]

Yeah that's def weird

[pure raven]

actually that doesn't look half bad

[past helm]

What if Joy boy's power are distributed in devil fruit. Later they all combine to defeat world government?

[graceful juniper]

Now give it white hair and clothes

[formal bridge]

That tribal marking looks cool on gear 4

[pure raven]

yeah it sure does

[formal bridge]

Without black is kinda bland

[ornate zodiac]

without haki G4 looks so cursed lol

[past helm]

Will Yamato join Straw hat crew?

[formal bridge]

Yes

[dawn prairie]

nope

[ornate zodiac]

probably yeah

[past helm]

Will carrot join?

[formal bridge]

No

[past helm]

She is damn strong in full moon day

[ornate zodiac]

it's more likely for yamato to join but carrot could maybe join if she's explored further

[formal bridge]

She was temporary crewmate like vivi

[past helm]

If Yamato does then the crew would be very lit

Is she stronger then zoro?

[formal bridge]

Do you think luffy has power to bring out sun now that he has the nika fruit

[past helm]

Nah, he still cannot control it properly

[ornate zodiac]

he does have fire based abilities like red hawk so it's possible

[past helm]

What if Joyboy's full name is
Monkey D Joyboy

The ancestor of luffy

[dawn prairie]

joyboy is nickname, cmiiw

[past helm]

It would be lit

[plucky arrow]

He’s gaining control of it every chapter

[past helm]

Yes

[plucky arrow]

We just saw him lose the form and get it back so I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulls something big next chapter

Or loses again LMAO

[past helm]

But he is tired just like kaido

I think in last Go D Ussop will bring Kaido down

[minor sentinel]

Zoro brings Kaido down with enma

[pure raven]

um guys, this channel is specific for serious theory, no joking here (just saying in place for mohdoo)

also the other staff that manage this channel

[graceful juniper]

I wander if someone can analyze the moon's position to know what time it is right now

[formal bridge]

Any ideas

[graceful juniper]

I wouldn't be surprised if something special will happen at dawn

[spare canyon]

whats up yall

[pure raven]

no chatting in here...

[graceful juniper]

I hope she is over 800 years old like toki, maybe even waited for her or know her

[spare canyon]

sorry

[naive wolf]

if im not wrong the first mention of haki was on Jaya, Black Beard talking about Luffy's bounty : "i knew his bounty should be higher, taking account of his haki", something like that

[graceful juniper]

I think bony has amazing potential

[formal bridge]

But you think she is kuma's daughter or mother

[graceful juniper]

More like lover or same kind of nakama

[formal bridge]

I mean gatekeeper identified her as the queen

So she might be keeping herself young through her fruit

[night glade]

did y’all hear the theory that luffy’s devil fruit is actually the one piece

[formal bridge]

A lot

[night glade]

even though it makes 0 sense, considering why would poseidon have to be alive for gol d roger to get it

[past helm]

If Shanks turn out to be a villian would luffy attack him or not ?

[night glade]

shanks is probably a villain tbh

kinda sus how the marines started going after luffy after that “talk” with the elders

there’s this really cool theory that imu is one of the 20 people that founded the world government and they had the eternal youth surgery performed on them (by the ope ope no mi)

[past helm]

Theory:
What if Shanks was taking hito hito no mi fruit from the world government. But after luffy Ate it, he had complete trust that luffy would turn out to be the strongest man in the world, and eventually become the King of the Pirates. So he gave him the straw hat, because it belonged to Gol D Roger the king of the Pirates.

[graceful juniper]

I'm almost sure shanks "told" on luffy to the E5, but I dont see him a a villain because of that.

I do think he has a plan we don't know abiut yet

[night glade]

why would he tell on luffy if he wasn’t being evil

[graceful juniper]

Why would he steal it from the world government to give it to the world government?

[night glade]

there’s no point in stealing the fruit off a marine warship just to give it back to the marines

shanks definitely had something else in mind

[past helm]

I did grammatical mistake sry about that

[formal bridge]

Guys shanks is a member of illuminati

[graceful juniper]

Pulling string from all sides.

Or on a a deep theory head Canon, Kaido said "death completes a person" and shanks know luffy had to die to awake is power, and he know if the world government know about his devil fruit they would finally try to kill him to step forward in his plan

[night glade]

but the world government already knew he had the devil fruit

[graceful juniper]

And on another note, I don't believe using the word evil in one piece is not understanding it.

There is no evil vs good in one piece

[pure raven]

shanks is pulling the strings behind the curtains

[naive wolf]

just imagine a scene Marco seeing Luffy on g5 and think somethink like: "that heck no possible being a paramecia, that should be a mythical zoan like mine, tho i never got to awaken" and ever further, a WB memory: "don't ever try to do that boy, they say you will die if you awaken that stuff guraguragura"

[graceful juniper]

I think they know luffy has gumo gumo no, which they had it and shanks stole it.

And the also know that there is a legend about devil fruit that has a different name but didn't know which one it is

[night glade]

by your logic, celestial dragons aren’t evil

[pure raven]

he went to whitebeard to tell him about how dangerous teach could become when even whitebeard didn't really notice that

[tawdry bramble]

New plan to save the world. Kill Luffy. Take his devil fruit. Feed it to an inanimate object. Use immortality surgery on it. Boom revived immortal Sun God Nika.

[night glade]

the world government knew the fruit existed, it wasn’t a legend, they’re the ones who hid the fruit from society and chased it for hundreds of years

[graceful juniper]

OK you are right I will try to word it again.

On one piece being against luffy doesn't make someone evil.

For example, I don't think akainu is evil

[night glade]

akainu isn’t only against luffy, he’s against all pirates in general, being against all pirates is different from being against only luffy

the fact that shanks was playing a role to make luffy trust him, even though he’s apparently against luffy, that makes him evil

[graceful juniper]

My point is that In one piece antagonistic vs protagonist isn't evil vs good like and other series

[tawdry bramble]

That’s multiple levels of conjecture

[slender fulcrum]

You re all basing your theory on the simple guess that shanks spoke of luffy to the gurusei.

While he certainly told them about BB

[night glade]

i said “apparently” assuming if it was true

[tawdry bramble]

One Piece is still mostly generically evil versus good. It’s usually labeled as freedom vs oppressors but it’s still the same thing.

[pure raven]

Hi I am new

Have you guys seen Ohara’s one piece theory

[night glade]

there’s multiple ohara theories

[ornate hull]

yes but i think that the point that PixeLeaf is making is that you cannot identify someone good or evil as justice is something really personal. correct me if im wrong PixeLeaf

[graceful juniper]

I think he knows what is the one piece, he also know something will change 20 years after roger found it and he has is own mission, he sacrifice his hand for it, maybe gave luffy the devil fruit for it.

If his mission is to control the world and make everyone his slave then he is evil, but if the mission isn't evil, even if he ends up against luffy he isn't evil

[pure raven]

I mean his biggest one predicting where laugh tale is

[ornate hull]

hi 🙂

[night glade]

you can’t really bring up shanks hand, since one of the one piece editors told oda to make shanks lose a arm to make the story more interesting

[ornate hull]

no i havent seen yet, is it good?

[pure raven]

Yes

Have you seen artur library of ohara’s major theory on all of one piece’s main mysteries and what is going to happen in the duration of the rest of the series.

I was not really impressed on his answer on what the one piece is though

[graceful juniper]

Of course I can, even if oda had to do it, he could still give it reason within his story...

[pure raven]

Mr.Morj’s theory on what the one piece is was the most impressive. But I am not really impressed with the videos he now makes. They miss persuasive reason

[ornate hull]

yea you cant tell what the op is until oda let us know it. but in an interview it actually says that the one piece is something material so im really curious. with the latest manga chapters we really understood what he is capable to do with his own history, so im really looking forward to know what the one piece is!

[night glade]

dude, there’s no real proof that oda would actually connect it to a deeper picture since it isn’t his own original idea, there’s no way to dictate what oda is planning to do with that missing arm scene since he didn’t think of it himself

[graceful juniper]

I don't know if he said it something material, but he said it's not something like "friendship we made along the way"

[pure raven]

According to mr.Morj it is just all seas connecting together. And that is very much material so I think that is the most likely candidate for what the one piece is

[night glade]

for all we know, oda might not even do anything with the shanks scene

[graceful juniper]

Lol, of course there is no real proof, this is all theory talk, check the channel

[night glade]

that just means it’s a improper theory

[pure raven]

Artur the library of ohara has a pretty interesting but not convincing answer for what the one piece is. It is sake on laughtale that was brewed by joy boy

And he also says it is somewhere behind reverse mountain

[graceful juniper]

And as far as theories go, I would almost never say something isn't theoriable just because the editor said to make it

[pure raven]

Because of the verse birds circling from bunks sake and a kozuki crest looking circle on reverse mountain

[night glade]

the entire purpose of the shanks scene was to make one piece more interesting

[pure raven]

Have you guys read chapter 1045. I won’t spoil but it is gooood

[graceful juniper]

I think gate keeping canon information from within the literal series is improper theorizing.

Anyway, this channel is for discussion on theories themselves and not what proper and not proper in theorizing. So let's and it here

[pure raven]

nobody would be in the manga channel if they haven't yet

[graceful juniper]

@night glade We can continue in DM if you want but I think we just disagree so no need

[night glade]

that’s not gate keeping

[modest skiff]

I think it’s a bit of a spectrum between where is it headcanon, where is fan fiction, where is theory. For example, any theory about the weird eyes Luffy recently got essentially has to be Headcanon or extrapolation because we simply have no info. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t wonder out loud about it so long as we are providing justification for what we think. The big thing is that in this channel we ask people to at least say why they think something. For example, the topic of devil fruits and how they work is something we have quite a bit of info about, especially recently, so it’s easier to cite a lot more actual information. But stuff like Dragon’s powers, the void century, what the one piece is, all of those are topics that fundamentally require extrapolation. I don’t think that means we shouldn’t discuss it at all. So long as @graceful juniper is giving some sort of justification for why they think what they think, they are acting in accordance with this channel’s guidelines

[night glade]

understandable, but we already settled the debate in dms, he ended up conceding

[spark relic]

That Ohara guy might have GAD

He's over thinking things so much

[pure raven]

luffy is gayboy

[undone holly]

someone said one piece is all seas connecting together, but this going to be the All Blue, right?

[proven moth]

mhm but its a bad theory imo,
roger said that HE HID the one piece somewhere. so did roger hide HOW you can connect the seas? Did he connect the seas one day?
meh theory

[night glade]

shanks took a Fat L when luffy ate the sun god devil fruit, it’s not like he can kill luffy, otherwise garp would go after him + shanks was too weak at the time to go against garp

[spark relic]

I just checked the meaning of Soko and the only two meanings that pop up is there and that place...Ohara is over analyzing things too much calling him conceited would be too much but he def is wrong

[undone holly]

no i mean, i dont believe the one piece is it... i think this is the All Blue. when Luffy destroys all the obstacles that are preventing the oceans from meeting we will finally get the All Blue that Sanjis dreams of.

[acoustic cairn]

is emerald city associated with one piece? what's there?

[proven moth]

but luffy couldn't awaken at that time. now that he can and shanks is stronger. (not as strong as g5 imo) i think that he can box with luffy.

but the thing is, shanks is legit luffys "ally" as we see it. theres no reason for luffy to attack shanks unless its for "fun" or "training"

[night glade]

my theory is assuming that shanks is evil

[proven moth]

in my eyes, hes just a man of roger. he wants to protect rogers land and wants to stop BB from getting there. (laugh tale)

[night glade]

agree to disagree tbh

think about it, would you be happy if some kid ate your devil fruit, one of the BEST devil fruits in the entire world?

[proven moth]

i wanna ask you, how do you assume that shanks is evil although he has been potrayed as a good guy

[pure raven]

If shanks wanted to eat the fruit he could've just done so before even reaching the island

[proven moth]

no, but he didnt care right? he just laughed it off

[undone holly]

Shanks evil

[night glade]

maybe he wanted to sell it? or do something with it, there’s not really any telling on what he was planning to do with it

[pure raven]

I would assume he was looking for Roger's son and find out who it was, so that ace could take on his father's will by taking the fruit

[proven moth]

for ace right??

[night glade]

the story portrays shanks to not have cared about it, but why was shanks talking about luffy to the elders? and why did marines start going after luffy after the talk with the elders

[pure raven]

selling one of the best fruits lol, just not gonna happen

[night glade]

the fruit hasn’t awakened in 800 years, how would ace be taking the will of gol d roger if roger never had the fruit in the first place

[proven moth]

hmm, but the marines probably started going after luffy JUST because he had conquerors. he probably didnt know that it was the sun god nikas fruit.

[pure raven]

Shanks doesn't know that tho, he was just looking for a successor, and realised luffy was the one when the fruit chose him

[dire tangle]

I don't think Shanks would kill a kid anyway. Luffy eating it definitely f***ed up his plans but he chose bet on Luffy which definitely amounts to something. Specially when the wg, the pirate king and the strongest man alive thought that it was Ace who would be joyboy

[night glade]

how would shanks not know if his own captain had the sun god nika fruit

[spark relic]

There are four things to think about Shanks: 1---> He is a celestial dragon 2--->He works with the world government(may have as well been a member of cp9 or one of the secret organizations under the world government) meaning he was a bad guy all along 3--->Is willing to betray Luffy for something important 4--->He is a good guy

[pure raven]

Rlly wouldn't make sense that shanks bet his arm on luffy to that sea monster, easily could've not lost his arm but instead gave reason for luffy to become pirate king

[night glade]

it could’ve been to build trust with luffy

[pure raven]

for what 🤣 he ain't done anything with luffy after that

[proven moth]

fr

[night glade]

dude, would you not want to be trusted by the guy with one of the best devil fruits, especially if you’re planning to manipulate them

[dire tangle]

He saved Luffy from getting roasted alive in Marineford

[pure raven]

jimbei did that

[proven moth]

hes just "hyped up luffy" as being a kid with a strong desire to be pk

[pure raven]

shanks just stopped the war

[night glade]

that’s what the story portrays it to be, you gotta think outside the box

[pure raven]

if he wanted to use luffy he probs could've accepted him in his crew

[night glade]

luffy was just a kid, he doesn’t need luffy to get himself killed

[proven moth]

yeah, i got nothing else to say good theory, i defo agree with you now

[dire tangle]

Yeah and almost kicked the bucket himself. If shanks hadn't come, Akainu would have put both luffy and jimbei in a magma coffin

[pure raven]

shanks stopped akainu from killing coby

[pure raven]

but u said he wanted the fruit???

[dire tangle]

Ah yes, shanks came to Marineford to save coby. His long lost friend

[pure raven]

shanks was a kid back in roger's crew

[lime cape]

there is a strong connection between gear 5 and long ring long island

[proven moth]

Shanks probably wanted ACE to die so that he can manipulate luffy with his death. And say smth like "i saved your life in marineford" or "ace died for u 🤡 "

[pure raven]

shanks came to stop the war, he didn't come to save luffy idk where u got that from, all he did was stop coby getting killed and stop the war

[dire tangle]

Shanks tried to stop Ace from pursuing BB.

[proven moth]

he came after ace died tho

[lime cape]

I think long ring long island is an island affected by gear 5 of the previous user

[pure raven]

yh, and the war was continuing after that

[proven moth]

BB was against him. and ace would have been too strong if he was with BB

[dire tangle]

Remind how stopping the war benefits shanks again?

[rough imp]

someone give me their biggest hot take

[pure raven]

He's got moral codes, senseless killing just isn't a thing for him

[proven moth]

Everyone in the crew gets what they want apart from luffy. He dies in joy

[pure raven]

he understood the marine's mission and pirate's fighting for ace but wouldn't accept the senseless killing

He may have other motives but I definitely do not think it was to manipulate luffy

[rough imp]

that’s what luffy wants he wants to be free his burden is to get all his friends wishes before his because ur right but we’ll see what oda does (if that does happen and luffy doesn’t become pirate king i will be pissed)

[dire tangle]

Yeah, that'd mean he must be interfering in every war/battle in the new world. Mf rarely makes a move in most cases. And you're telling me he stopped kaido and then came to stop the war because his moral code was violated. Sounds logical ?