manga-theories

[novel tiger]

1. WCI

2. Wano

3. Dressrossa

[weak lava]

Like I said it’s circular reasoning if anything I got more out of this discussion than they did.

[serene cobalt]

Or are you one of those skypiea skippers 😂

[proud tree]

in chapter 37 it was hinted at

[echo plank]

you can't call everything foreshadowing

[spark relic]

Talent isn't ability my man... I doubt that was a hint @proud tree

[serene cobalt]

Let's not forget about the giant ass straw hat we saw during reverie. But sureeeee luffy isn't special

[proud tree]

yes wen can lmao this is one piece fandom praise the goda

[echo plank]

reverie is basically wano too

[proud tree]

but stretching is his ability so conside it a misstranslation

[proud tree]

no it is not its a completely different place + different character

[echo plank]

mhm but it is happening at the same time

[serene cobalt]

So you're just gonna reply to my comments about wano, but ignore the skypiea ones for example hahahahah. These people are hating just for the sake of being different

[spark relic]

I still think he is the strongest... Bounties are made by actions and ability, if he is the most wanted man, he is then his actions alone can't put him at that level

[echo plank]

I never said I was a hater

[vestal orbit]

huh.

well, taking a closer look at these

rubber can't do that referring to python, ye that could make sense, but only if nika's fruit is indeed an imagination fruit, in which case i hate it for that virtue alone

he looks like the sun god himself, wano

you're using your fruit wrong, doflamingo was just talking about how good he was at his fruit. again applies if it's an imagination fruit but in that case i hate it for that lone

[echo plank]

I like nika

[novel tiger]

Ratio Ratio no mi

[weak lava]

Lmao you hate it because it’s the imagination fruit now? Oh do tell.

[spark relic]

Don't forget Luffy wrecked Enies lobby and destroyed marine ships freed prisoners from impel down and many more... If you ask me Luffy's activities are much more criminal @echo plank

[vestal orbit]

skypiea namedropped the sun god yea but luffy having that sun god symbolism doesn't mean that his fruit was nika

[echo plank]

we know nothing of dragon's abilities or feats soo

[proud tree]

also luffy is sun god ... while their ship is the 1000s SUNNY.

[serene cobalt]

Do you want it to be like naruto? Where we knew pretty much instantly he had the kyuubi?

[spark relic]

We know a bit of his abilities @echo plank

[vestal orbit]

how do you consider luffy gaining the ability to do literally anything he wants to good

[weak lava]

Because it’s in line with his character and it’s fucking work of fiction lol

[echo plank]

if it's the weather, that's entirely speculative and it could just be for dramatic effect

[novel tiger]

Blackbeard: How interesting, a battle between sun and darkness. I’m sure Ace vs Blackbeard will be the only battle between sun and darkness

[proud tree]

it is not bending reality and gear 5 will have drawbacks and weaknesses like gear 3.

[spark relic]

Not weather but wind

[weak lava]

All my favorite character shouldn’t be able to do the things they do yet they can because it’s a fucking story

[serene cobalt]

You guys just can't handle oda handling one piece different compared to regular shonen/shonen power boosts.

Do you want oda to tell you during alabasta that luffy is the sun god????

[echo plank]

I also think it's cool how gum gum and yami yami look so similar

[proud tree]

also the name Nika is supposed to be a secret since the void century 800 years ago?

[vestal orbit]

you don't need to literally be the sun for this

luffy was always described as a sun and a star and all that yeah that's great that's perfectly fine

but that doesn't mean that his fruit is the sun

[pure raven]

I HAVE THE BEST THEORY FOR SHANKS

[glass sluice]

SPIT IT

[serene cobalt]

And this is still a SHONEN at the end of the day. Why y'all expecting AOT levels of depth

[novel tiger]

Theory: He’s a pirate

[vestal orbit]

if he can do anything the rest of one piece has no consequences

he can just imagine his way through anything

how do you consider this good

[pure raven]

so basically what if shanks didnt use haki, BC THE MONSTER HAD WAAYYYY BETTER HAKI

im so smart 😎

[vestal orbit]

anti-haki haki

[pure raven]

yes

[novel tiger]

Shanks is a ginger so he didn’t use Haki, he just stole the sea king’s soul

[echo plank]

idea from GLR:
Skypiea, Elbaf, Fishman Island, and Wano are all isolated. All of these islands worship the sun (in Wano's case, waiting for the dawn). All these islands also have a failed joyboy, aka liberator.

Noland is the first failed Joyboy, who cured the Shandians at Jaya, therefore liberating them. The first mention of the sun god is when the girl named Mousse was set to be sacrificed to the sun god to save the people, but Noland found the crew and saved them. Despite this, Noland was not their true joyboy as he did not die while smiling and he was not able to stop their long civil war. The person who did stop it was Luffy, which also liberated them from Enel. When Luffy was going to stop Enel from destroying the Island, he said, "Let the sun shine".

Failed joyboy #2 is Fisher Tiger, which liberated the slaves in Mary Geoise. This perfectly fits the legend of Nika, the liberator of slaves. He even went on to find the SUN pirates, which he likely named after the legend of Nika. The reason he failed is that he made Koala go from smiling to crying (Good intentions, but doesn't fit symbolism of joyboy). Fisher Tiger died while crying, and was not able to free the fishmen, as they still live underwater and discriminated. Jimbei inherited his will and is now on the crew of Luffy, the true joyboy. Even though the fishmen aren't free yet, Luffy is prophesized to destroy Fishman Island which implies that the fishmen will be free.

Failed joyboy #3 is Big Mom. We see Elbaf during the Winter Solstice, which Mother Caramel describes as the festival to celebrate the death and rebirth of the SUN. Luffy is symbolically the sun, and he died and came back. When Big Mom killed a giant in her flashback, Mother Caramel gave birth to the sun homie Pandora. She then ate Mother Caramel and got her DF powers and her homies (sun) which is like a cycle of rebirth. She wanted a perfect land, but Tottoland was far from perfect, making her failed.

Kaido too but char limit, it's obv

[spark relic]

No way is it a dramatic effect

[echo plank]

luffy has a large role in all of these islands and has liberated or will liberate these islands eventually

[pure raven]

imagine if someone beat straw hat to the one piece and their reason was: "i didnt go on as many dragged out ass adventures."

[echo plank]

and there are all the other islands he has liberated that aren't directly connected to the sun like drum, alabasta, dressrosa

[vestal orbit]

huh, those are all really cool ye

but i don't see what they've got to do with the nika fruit

[spark relic]

Didn't you see that it was when Buggy was just about to execute Luffy that lightning struck and out of everyother place it was meant to hit if was mere coincidence why did it hit the scaffold

[proud tree]

how even find zou?

[echo plank]

it describes luffy's role as a liberator/sun god/nika/joyboy

[weak lava]

I mean those are all poorly structured theories and arguments that turned into you just whining about something we don’t actually have the answers for. Luffy was hinted at being something special for a while now specially with the reveal that zoans have a will of their own so yeah you can call them ass pulls but at the same oda is doing as he likes with his story so regardless of what you want or think the information is laid out for you to draw your own conclusions and some us ha w decided that luffy was hinted at to be a godlike character from as early as chapter 37

[vestal orbit]

ye that all works out those are all fine

but what do they have to do with his fruit being the nika fruit

[pure raven]

spent the time going to the end of the new world looking

[echo plank]

It is the symbolism behind it dawg

[latent zodiac]

someday we are going to look back on all this and laugh, maybe cry

[novel tiger]

I think each of the Yonko represent something about JoyBoy, b/c they’re all trying and failing to be pirate king

[echo plank]

it works out because it is symbolic of his role

and also we know barely anything about his power, but I don't feel like he can just bend reality at will it is within the bounds of his rubber abilities

[novel tiger]

Cuz like Big Mom with the fire hair legit looks like an actual sun god, it’s not an accident

[proud tree]

but Raftel is not at the and only Loadstar and then you would have to circumnavigate the globe 2 times, while Luffy is in new world for 2 weeks now

[pure raven]

gear 7 will turn luffy into the sun bc thats the point of the rubber devil fruit

[vestal orbit]

exactly, symbolism

nami's symbolized as a cat, big mom as a child, etc etc

that doesn't mean that nami's secretly a cat or that big mom's secretly a 5 year old

[spark relic]

Also there were ripples on the ocean when he later brought down many lightning strikes, but this is usually an effect of Conqueror's Haki @echo plank

[weak lava]

More circular reasoning

[pure raven]

i thought big mom represented plus sized single mothers

[vestal orbit]

yeah, luffy's always been special

so what

what does that have to do with him not being rubber

[echo plank]

nami's symbolism is.. a lot more shallow than this

[proud tree]

but he is rubber tho ... only additional Zoan powers

[serene cobalt]

[vestal orbit]

yeah, but sorta getting swamped so trying to work off the top of my head

big mom comparison should still work

[pure raven]

tangerines are a symbol or fortune and wealth, so nami liking tangerines and money is like saying nami like money. and more money

[vestal orbit]

this guy's arguing in support of his fruit being imagination

[echo plank]

and big mom being symbolic as a child is also perfect for this because her childlike way of wanting to unite every race in the world but ultimately failing

[vestal orbit]

yeah she's childish but that doesn't mean that she's a child

[proud tree]

oh ok I am also against that lmao

[spark relic]

And also almost everytime we see him we always see gusts of wind

[vestal orbit]

elaborate?

[proud tree]

i think its just a Rubber Paramecia + Red Hawk like abilities that make it more flexible.

[vestal orbit]

[serene cobalt]

It's literally a zoan tho......

[proud tree]

yeah the Zoan part allows to make fire + more durability + more different forms (like dwarf Luffy after gear3)

[weak lava]

You only use circular reasoning for all your arguments, because of that we’re literally going in circles, it can’t be this because of that, it isn’t a hint because it symbolism, that’s you. It can be both a hint and symbolism.

[echo plank]

and also luffy's fruit being zoan can be logically explained, since he is a human fruit, he doesn't have a visible hybrid form since what would he be a mix of? Human and human? This is why the only part of it he retained is the rubber body. This, along with symbolism and foreshadowing sprinkled throughout the entire story makes it reasonable.

[weak lava]

Doesn’t have to be one or the other, anyways information is up for you to interpret as you please, I’m going to bed you have fun talking in circles.

[echo plank]

also this is just speculation but I feel like sengoku's fruit makes him smarter and he retains it in human form too since he is the master tactician for the navy

[daring roost]

Do you guys think that Kaido is going to figure out that Luffy is Joy Boy and end up wanting to join him? Even with as far as he's fallen from grace, he seemed to want to be Joy Boy and take down the WG, so if he realizes that Luffy has the means to do it...

[echo plank]

and marco can maintain his healing properties without being a phoenix

[spark relic]

Luffy can't exactly make fire my man

[proud tree]

how do you explain red hawk?

[serene cobalt]

It should also be pretty clear to everyone that luffy isn't going to have toon force.

It's just that the personality of Nika allowed him (JoyBoy) to use his fruit to that extent/in such a manner. Just like how luffy managed to come up with snakeman and the likes.

DevilFruit compatibility is a subject which often seems to be forgotten. (Law or Kidd for example).

[weak lava]

I was saying this earlier but as long as kaido keeps trying to actively kill luffy he’ll never win, which might be the condition for his defeat since luffy can’t kill him or knock him out by force. Okay now I’m going to bed

[echo plank]

I feel like toon force is being misconstrued, people are seeing it as the ultimate god reality bending power but it is most likely just more rubber control

[spark relic]

The fire happens because of friction... Rubber has a low heat resistance... When he stretches his hand back, he draws it at immense speed and as a result of the friction with the air it heats up and catches fire

[echo plank]

which.. the official translation said it gives him more freedom over his RUBBER body

[vestal orbit]

actually yeah that's fair

but the most that that does is that it opens up the possibility of luffy being more closely connected to the sun god nika

luffy's fruit itself was never portrayed as unusual. as you yourself acknowledged, one piece works on weird physics, so luffy's gears being weird is natural

[serene cobalt]

Yupp, that's why I dont get the people who are getting mad over the "imagination powers". Since it clearly doesn't work like that. (For now atleast, can never know with oda)

[pure raven]

The mythological figure Hanuman Luffy is based on is said to be be born of the wind, Dragon appearances were accompanied by stormy winds, what about a wind logia fruit or is a Wind Wind Fruit already given to another character

[slate wharf]

• extreme blood circulation of using g2. he use g2 first before going for armament then redhawk

[lament ether]

My theory is that luffy is in the life and death state right now, momo's comment about his voice appearing and disappearing indicates that he's on the brink of death, so he'll stay for a huge amount of time on recovery sleep

[upbeat latch]

Same...I keep seeing people say that he literally has reality bending powers. When everything can be explained with rubber.

[vestal orbit]

yeah the possibility of luffy being more closely related to nika

that makes sense

luffy's fruit being unusual still no

[spark relic]

Exactly... You get it

[echo plank]

wdym

[serene cobalt]

He's saying that because we didn't know that luffy had nika fruit earlier. It's bs

(A la naruto and kyuubi)

[echo plank]

well I think there were hints which TO BE FAIR without this context, no one would ever connect it to nika

but also people have been making theories related to a sun zoan for a while, even if it wasn't specifically hito hito they got pretty close, I have even seen someone theorize hito hito before it actually happened

[serene cobalt]

There most definitely were. But this dude seems to not want to believe any of it lol

[vestal orbit]

mb just got mixed up with the duck pfp

but uh

never thought it was weird that he doesn't have a zoan form

the symbolism and foreshadowing i still consider to be limited entirely to it being possible that luffy was more closely connected to the sun god than first suggested

[spark relic]

There were already two Hito Hito no mis

[proud tree]

guys what did Enel mean by this? Does he not have infinite power?

[spark relic]

Before they even said anything about Luffy's own

[echo plank]

ig every df user has a limit

[vestal orbit]

so are there any examples of said foreshadowing specifically related to luffy's fruit not being what it seemed?

[proud tree]

so lightning attacks cost Enel stamina?

[echo plank]

maybe if he uses it enough

[proud tree]

thats actually quite deep... Enel could use air as a conductor but needs gold bcs lower resistance and resulting power savings

[serene cobalt]

These have been sent before in this conversation, not gonna bother doing that again.

You just deny every thing and stand by the fact that Oda should have basically told us: "Yo guys, luffy has the gomu gomu no mi, but it's not actually named that"
back during alabasta or sum

So for that reason, I'm out

[spark relic]

I don't think anyone has infinite power... Enel is the lightning man and lightning is caused by the Collison of two polar charges in the air... Since he is the lightning man it's possible that he is passively absorbing those particles and if he doesn't find a way to let them out it may kill him and the best means to do that is to have a mechanism that works with electricity whilst using himself to power it, he gets rid of the excess charges he absorbs

This is probably the reason why he is always using his ability, any little thing he'll send lightning to wipe out an island or a group of people, he's probably also doing that to lose charges

[vestal orbit]

just bothered looking back through the chat in case there was something i missed.

comparisons to the sun god don't mean that luffy is the actual sun god. by this logic, big mom being compared to a child would mean that she's secretly a 5 year old

all this does is open up the idea that luffy might be closely related to the sun god. a point i've acknowledged, and a point that has nothing to do with luffy's fruit

python doesn't make sense with base rubber, sure. but if nika is still rubber, that changes nothing. if nika is imagination, sure that works but i personally despise this idea.

[echo plank]

off the top of my head idrk any like direct foreshadowings for the nika fruit tbh. There is a lot of symbolism for it but that's all I can think of rn

Although this is a really weak connection the visual similarities between luffy and bb's fruits despite them being opposites

[vestal orbit]

yea still don't understand it

though actually letting my brain work for a moment ig python and early g3 could work

but don't see how they'd be related to nika's true abilities at all ~~unless it really is an imagination fruit ~~

[echo plank]

yeah but for me the symbolism covers it enough, there is still a lot more to the story, and I am not ready to hate on another series I used to like, already did too much for aot

[vestal orbit]

not big on animanga honestly, one piece is one of the few i keep up with

not gonna be a hater not gonna drop the series still don't like the nika development as it stands rn

[echo plank]

i can only keep up with one at a time

[somber crane]

its def toon force💀

[echo plank]

Ok

did you read anything else I said

[serene grail]

in any case he cant just one shot kaido

[somber crane]

yea but there’s concrete proof that its Toon Force. Also the fact that Kaido says he’s like something out of a comic book further proves it

[echo plank]

yeah there is toon force but I don't think luffy will just straight up like pull magma from his ass

there's limits to it, and I believe it is bound to his rubber

[somber crane]

thats not toon force. Toon Force is just rewriting the laws of physics in your universe. Also btw I don’t when Rubber gives u the ability to run on air but ok

[steep viper]

Just saw a Laughtale theory on reddit, makes me wonder if the devil fruit tree is there and Roger couldnt transform it back from the looney toons version

[echo plank]

i mean he can do snakeman which also violates laws of physics

[somber crane]

also literally being able to put your hands through peoples face without damaging them💀 His Toon Force obviously extends beyond just Rubber but we just don’t know how far yet

[lost trellis]

theory: luffy is gonna contract some incurable disease at the end of wano and he's gonna go out Roger-style after he speedruns the rest of the grand line

[echo plank]

could be stylistic but I don't think it extends far past it

[steep viper]

Hancock would not allow that

[somber crane]

His hands went theough Kaidos face. Twice. First time he took both his hands and literally went through Kaidos eyeballs and grabbed his nose💀 thats not stylistic bro he literally threw himself out Kaidos mouth

[echo plank]

true

[somber crane]

He also RAN ON AIR. and left a fire trail behind. ON AIR. Idk how much more proof is needed tbh

Also got hit with a blast breath and was completely black like burnt to a crisp and shook his legs and went back to his normal self without injuries💀

[echo plank]

we'll see

[somber crane]

see what?💀

[echo plank]

how far it goes, i know he has toon force

[somber crane]

Oh. I think personally it won’t be like reality warping but he will definitely just not abide by the laws of physics whatsoever anymore

[steep viper]

Do you guys think the battle between yami yami no mi and model nika has happened before? If that was how the WG won control

[somber crane]

I think Imu is the final villain so idk

[steep viper]

He probably is

[dense crypt]

I thought BB is final villian

[twin widget]

i dont think they went THROUGH his face, but they stretched it out like what would happen if you tried to stick your fist through rubber

[steep viper]

Unless BB kills off imu for luffy

[somber crane]

I think Imu was the person who either killed or fought the previous JoyBoy and formed the WG. Now he’s trying to finish Luffy but it won’t happen

[dense crypt]

I think BB will kill Shanks next

[somber crane]

Kaidos not rubber so that doesn’t make sense. His eyes would pop, also like I said his hands physically grabbed Kaidos nose

[steep viper]

Thats if Shanks has a fruit he wants

[dense crypt]

Then imu

[twin widget]

didnt kaido say he shouldnt be like rubber? i'd assume luffy can just make others rubber for the same effect

[gilded marsh]

So there is a rubber rubber fruit

[somber crane]

No Kaido actually said he’s not rubber. Because Luffy was inflating himself inside Kaido and Kaido was saying if he doesn’t stop he will pop since he’s not rubber

[gilded marsh]

Bc luffy's df isn't rubber

[somber crane]

Luffys df is rubber but who knows there probably is a paramecia rubber fruit out there

[gilded marsh]

Ya

It could be

[steep viper]

This doesn't make 100% sense. That would mean Imu knows where laughtale is

[gilded marsh]

Ya imu should know where laughtale is she knows the secret of the void century

[somber crane]

Laughtale is a object that only works or can be affected by the correct person hence why Roger said it wasn’t his time. This would also explain why Imu has waited so long. Maybe Luffy has to turn into JoyBoy for laughtale or whatever Imu wants to be revealed/used

[steep viper]

This is why I believe that the devil fruit tree is there and got looney tooned and can't produce more fruits

[somber crane]

that doesn’t explain why Roger laughed tho. I heard a theory that JoyBoy used his awakening and left the affect on the Island like Logias can (Akainu, Ace, Aokiji)

[steep viper]

There doesnt need to be a good explanation on why looney toons is funny.

[somber crane]

eh i guess

[steep viper]

Anyone trying to figure that out would just go mad

[somber crane]

either way all I know is. Akainu > Kaido narritively🫣

[steep viper]

I'm a big fan of aokiji

[wispy shell]

What if Red Line was made by Joyboy's power?
Like pulling the earth from under the sea depth just like rubber

[steep viper]

As a last ditch effort to save the world from yami yami?

[leaden shoal]

laugh tale is the island bro and they say they named it after some tale full of laughs joy boy left there

I like the theory but the reason they laughed is bc of the tale

[wispy shell]

Yeah maybe joyboy 'suppossedly' cartoony power really messed up the one piece world as of now.

[rough imp]

imu = luffy mom???

[quasi bramble]

So; this is not technically a theory; but more of an observation. I think the Twenty Kingdoms that founded the World Government are based off of the real-life G20 group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G20 ), but is 19 irl as one of the members is the European Union, and thus doesn't technically count as a country. This can be seen as parallel to the fact that 19 of the 20 founding families live in Marie Geoise.

[slate willow]

this could be another theory but what if bb mistook the yami yami to be the strongest fruit and it was actually luffys fruit he was after

i mean that also is extremely strong but what if he wanted that fruit

[frosty horizon]

Wait guys, if the number for the gomu gomu no mi were 5 and 6 (which are said to be a reference to his final bounty), is the current number for hito hito no mi model: nika (2 and 9) referring to his bounty after wano?

[slate willow]

mostly

[true tree]

If anything I'd think Blackbeard knows about the true nature of Luffy's fruit and is going to be ready to counter it in some way (either with the yami yami no mi or with a third fruit in case he can do that)

[frosty horizon]

luffy's fruit is a zoan type (he might have seen it as a paramecia though), I doubt he would have mistaken a paramecia/zoan for a logia

[river osprey]

What about the G5 giant form and the giant strawhat?

[slate willow]

oh yeah i forgot abt that

wait so i had a doubt. In chap1044 the gorosei had told that the imagination is the limit for that fruit. so is whatever luffy doing him imagining that happening? or is it like his dfs powers

[river osprey]

In the oficial translation wasn't this

[slate willow]

[river osprey]

"And fighting in whatever way he fancies"

[vestal moth]

Kaido said "He can influence anything around his abilities" explains pretty well why Kaido was able to expand like a ballon.

Oda GoAT 🐐

[river osprey]

They changed it in the official translation

They told about luffy being white, if so, it is black and white like and old cartoon or just white hair etc?

[tranquil rivet]

white hair and clothes (btw tcb isn't official)

kaido said luffy turns pure white

[white sluice]

This shit ain’t mid. People calling it mid piece are hella stupid lmao.
This shit down bad KID piece. L

[violet badge]

The chapter is funny as hell

[raw palm]

I just read ch 1045 and this is the most outrageous ch in all of one piece

Even Kaido had to admit that luffy acts like a character from a comic strip

[raven yacht]

Ultimately I think the true meaning of D is to embrace death and face it off with a smile D

[spare mural]

He was surprised to see luffy get up and smiled

[raw palm]

We all are surprised in a way

[spare mural]

Gomu gomu no balloon lmao

[raw palm]

like wtf is this

[spare mural]

He could wear that giant hat if he stays in this form 💀

[raw palm]

if joyboy was as large as him in his giant form then that is a reasonable statement

[fickle zenith]

Looks like luffy having fun

[pure raven]

does anyone else wish Law’s hat could be a beanie..? like a dark long beanie. It’s always been my gripe with the character.

like a plain dark beanie with his usual jagged hair coming out. the spots always felt a little to japanese and silly for me : s

[raw palm]

Never really thought of that but I agree

[tranquil rivet]

serious theories only

[pure raven]

ty ty. i like sabo’s top hat but law’s hat always felt too.. fluffy. and spots aren’t my thing

maybe it’s cos i like post timeskip aokiji beanie a lot.

[vestal moth]

Oda is having the most of the fun

[pure raven]

I bet when Oda was drawing gear 5 it’s what Quentin Tarantino felt when he made Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Based and just having fun and doing whatever he wanted 😂

[high portal]

holy, wait this chapter really had me thinking for a minute, Gear 2 for example specifically had Luffy expand his blood vessels so more blood and therefore more energy surges through his body, Gear 3 made his bones bigger, Gear 4 is essentially the power of gear 3 with the flexibility of gear 2, I feel like gear 5 made his heart rubber? There's a lot of mention of his heartbeat in 1044 and 1045

It could very well be that gear 5 is the enlargement/strengthening of his heart since its rubber, I mean, you need a strong heart to be able to laugh a lot and Luffy has been almost constantly laughing ever since gear 5 activated and you also need either a large or strong heart if you have a big body, like how Luffy turned himself into a giant

[west summit]

Gear 4 is muscle

[high portal]

oh yea! then that supports my hypothesis even better I think, since gear 4 was purely the muscles meant for power like the arms, the abdomen, etc, gear 5 would be the most important muscle, the heart

[stone sparrow]

blackbeards awakened fruit is going to be another god aka a dark god

[pure raven]

but more importantly than muscle, i thought gear 4 was about using the idea how certain elements can retain ‘shape memory’ when squeezed.

[tranquil rivet]

gear 5th is awakening, he can turn anything into rubber

[pure raven]

like gear 2 was using the idea of ‘friction/heat of rubber’, gear 3 was about ‘inflating rubber’, gear 4 was about ‘stretching back rubber’ rather than body parts

[high portal]

well that's another perspective on the gears, but in the manga there's specific mentions of gear 2 expanding the blood stream or gear 3 being a bone balloon etc

[stone sparrow]

basically with my theory. they state that luffy's fruit has the soul of a god in it to make it a zoan. what if the same case is with the darkness darkness fruit. aka a dark god.

[pure raven]

yeah totally Oda added that to explain how Luffy would be able to use the new mechanics.

[high portal]

I'm just thinking about the gears from a purely physical like "what's happening in Luffy's body" perspective

[pure raven]

that’s fine too. thats the proper way to think about it rather than making him a God. which technically leaves gear 5: how rubber is able to melt and immediately harden below or above a critical temperature point. resin. but yeah that’s a dead theory now.

[high portal]

I also feel the rubber heart theory is just corny enough that Oda would actually do it

[pure raven]

that’s very romantic and cute.

[modest skiff]

Theory: Luffy's awakening imparts rubber-like properties on the world around him proportional to his overall energy and enthusiasm level

In 1044, the Nika fruit is essentially described as the greatest possible threat to the WG. Losing the insanely ugly bowler hat idiot is considered an easy trade to take if it means preventing the Nika awakening from taking form. The Nika fruit is described as:

• A warrior of liberation
• Fights however he pleases
• Awakening brings increased freedom

I think this ties in well with Luffy's conversation with Rayleigh. In Sabaody, Rayleigh asks Luffy if he wants to "rule the world" in a way that was clearly contrived to prod Luffy. Luffy quickly responds that "ruling" the world would make him less free and that his goal is to be as free as possible. Rayleigh smirks and doesn't reply. I think Rayleigh had a rough idea as to what it means to be truly free, likely because of his experiences with Roger and the way Roger lived. There was not a single moment in our understanding of Roger's journey that appears to be against his will or something he didn't have fun doing. We have no panels where Roger is stressed out. He dies with a smile on his face, as he willed.

In 1044/1045, we see numerous examples of Luffy manipulating the world around him in a rubbery manner:

• Pulling up the ground to deflect Kaido's Boro Breath
• Bouncing on the ground as he laughs in the beginning of 1045
• Bouncing around inside of Kaido
• Expanding Kaido's body (this would have done incredible damage to Kaido if Kaido didn't expand)
• Kaido specifically mentions he is rubbery
• Luffy stretches Kaido's eyeballs, allowing him to gain tension to bounce out of Kaido's mouth
• Kaido's mouth expands to allow Luffy out in his gigantic balloon form
• Luffy uses Kaido as a jump rope

As soon as Luffy gets hit really hard, the ground he is sitting on is no longer rubber. As he transitions away from his rubber form, everything seems to return to normal.

In the first example of this that we have seen, we see conqueror coating "lightning" in Kaido's attacks hit Luffy, though Luffy's body continues to bend. This is our first example in the entire series where conq haki coating does not deal direct damage without obvious conq haki coating being used by the defender. I believe this is because Luffy's fruit, as a whole, is the embodiment of what conq haki really is: an unrelenting drive towards freedom and flexibility. I think Luffy's fruit can only be properly awakened with a mastery of conq haki coating. Luffy's body is not nearly as strong as Kaido's, which is why Kaido has been tossing him around their entire fight (similar to Katakuri), but he has managed to stick around regardless due to his extremely developed will and conq haki.

Luffy's resistance to conq haki coating, without any obvious use of it on his own, continues throughout the fight. Luffy deforms and bends in ways that he was not even able to against armament haki. Luffy appears to be the only example we have seen so far where conq haki coating is ineffective. When he is struck by Kaido's conq haki coating, he bends.

When Luffy finally ends up using his "pure white" transformation after counting down "3...2...1...0", he is actually becoming polychromatic light. Polychromatic light is defined as: all of the colours of the rainbow because it contains all wavelengths.

When you can:

• Bend in any direction
• Expand into any shape
• Reflect all wavelengths of light (white)

you are essentially the most free an object can be. There are not things when exert their influence over you. You are not bound by duty, physical damage, anything. In fact, everything around you benefits from your freedom.

Without the ability to inflict physical damage, what power does the WG have? If all of the citizens of the world can just operate as they please despite the navy's violence, doesn't that make them free? THAT is why Luffy is the biggest threat to the WG.

@stoic girder @little kelp @rain epoch

[weak pelican]

what

[high portal]

hush, man is using the manga theory channel properly

[shut finch]

I’d love this

[pure raven]

him being polychromatic is one thing i defo agree to being cool

[shut finch]

Thank you for the theory youss

[modest skiff]

LOL

[pure raven]

lowkey Buster Call 😂

[formal bridge]

Guys i think tsuru is biggest danger to blackbeard

According to Oda, "villains who have been dried get their hearts a little bit cleaner as well; their evil hearts become fainter, so that's a dangerous ability against pirates".

[shut finch]

Another thing I love about this is that it would mean perona can essentially nullify Luffy’s awakening power by taking his enthusiasm

@ blackbeard I have an idea

[placid reef]

So rayleigh already now that gomu gomu is the fake name for hito hito model nika?

[stoic girder]

So Luffy's fruit was awakened because of his mastery of conquerors haki? That sounds pretty interesting, but I feel like other factors were at played here that led to his fruit awakening. I feel like it might have been the combination of Luffy's freedom, devil fruit mastery and the intensity of the battle. It could be another case of haki blooming during an intense battle, but this time with your devil fruit.

Another reason i'm not sold on the idea that conquerors haki led to his awakening is because of Luffy's constant comments on how his heartbeat sounds. I think his heartbeat changing is what led to his awakening, hell we even see him trying to get his heartbeat back to that same drum beating to enter gear 5th again against Kaido.

When Luffy finally ends up using his "pure white" transformation after counting down "3...2...1...0", he is actually becoming polychromatic light. Polychromatic light is defined as: all of the colours of the rainbow because it contains all wavelengths.
I think Oda simply chose Luffy to be white since natural rubber is just white. This gear 5th is his peak transformation, meaning his greatest form. So Oda choosing white as a color might be to signify how Luffy is literally rubber at it's naturalist. Being able to move freely and become whatever shape he chooses.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with everything else on this theory.

[high portal]

I still do cling onto my heart theory just because of all the details I'm picking up from 1045, like how Luffy uses his pre-timeskip gear 2 pose to re-activate gear 5, and just how energetic Luffy is in this fight, he's not quick like in gears 2 and 4, he's like borderline erratic as if he's taken like 5 scoops of pre-workout in one sitting, if anything his heart has to play a key part in gear 5

[graceful ether]

maybe luffy can go into any gear without blowing or doing anything

[pure raven]

nope. rayleigh was as (in the politest terms) useless and clueless as Gorosei

[graceful ether]

luffy didnt strech kaido's eyeballs but went through them

[formal bridge]

@pure raven but Rayleigh know void century history

[graceful ether]

he did it again when luffy's punch went through kaido's head

[modest skiff]

If Kaido's eyeballs weren't stretchable, he would have put holes in Kaido's eyes

[graceful ether]

oh that makes sense. but how about kaido's head?

[pure raven]

true but he did train luffy for 2 years, i wish that man knew better.

[graceful ether]

how did luffy even get out of kaido through the eyes

[formal bridge]

I don't think his df can be trained his power depends on his imagination you can't give someone imagination

[formal bridge]

He came out of mouth look carefully

[pure raven]

bedtime stories

[graceful ether]

oh yeah he did. luffy prob used kaido's eyes to launch himself outta the mouth

[formal bridge]

@proper urchin just like he didn't see any skull or blood
Nor acid in stomach

[modest skiff]

Here are the requirements I think exist:

1. A desire for absolute freedom, which means not wanting to rule at all
2. Mastery of conq haki (which I think comes from an indomitable will, as we saw vs Katakuri)
3. Desire to live
   4A) Timing - Similar to Poseiden not existing for a very long time, I think there is a periodicity regarding the fruit. I think Roger could have had it if he was at the right time. He wasn't. Tough luck.
   4B) I think the timing of Poseiden and Joyboy and perhaps Uranus are dependent on the movement of celestial bodies. Whether that is the sun, the moon, or other planets, I think Roger was in the right place at the wrong time

Your idea of ultimate form being white is valid. If it represents the ultimate expression of choice, having access to all colors is fair. I won't say I have a good argument against that. That is totally valid and I would like it if that was true. Good thought on your part.

Thanks for the reply. I really enjoyed your thoughts on my theory. I appreciate it

[formal bridge]

Btw why can't luffy shrink if he can do anything he imagines

[cerulean fossil]

it hasn't said he can't

[pure raven]

he did tho in 1045. become pario mario flat level.

[modest skiff]

He can. But Luffy gains mass when he expands, as evidenced by destroying the metal door during enemies lobby. He has not had incentive to become small yet.

[formal bridge]

He can be covert
Just like when he got drawback from gear 3

[modest skiff]

covert?

[cerulean fossil]

I don't think Luffy knows what that word means

[formal bridge]

Hiding

[modest skiff]

I understand the meaning of the word in English. I mean what do you mean by it and how does it relate

[stoic girder]

1. Agreed
2. 95% agreed
3. Agreed
4. So bassically being lucky enough to have gotten the fruit and the be the right person for the job to awaken? Agreed
   4B) I don't know about this. I just think Roger was simply unlucky and the devil fruit didn't choose him, but it's interesting to think about. You might be on to something

Otherwise pretty solid theory and I had a great time reading it

[formal bridge]

If he is small not many people will notice him when he wants to break out of jail or break in

[graceful ether]

i feel like luffy bends before taking a hit

[formal bridge]

4B). Also shirahoshi wasn't born then

[modest skiff]

4A) Yes, that's what I meant. I think straight up luck plays into it, which is why luck is emphasized throughout the story
4B) I won't pretend I know this for sure. Maybe yes, maybe no. Shrug. Just doing my best to come up with a solution.

Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate your input a lot 🙂

[formal bridge]

It was foretold by seakings do you think they have some kind of future seeing ability

[modest skiff]

what was foretold?

[formal bridge]

When oden and roger were in ship and seakings were talking

[modest skiff]

the 2 "sovereign"?

[formal bridge]

Yeah

[jovial reef]

Do you guys think bb having the power of apophis is valid? And that's why he is looking for the revolutionary to get the storm power?

[formal bridge]

I think he has Cerberus though

There was also Cerberus foreshadowed in moriah arc

[robust dust]

Bro BB getting the jump on Ace is one thing, but if he gets Dragon too idk how imma deal with that

[formal bridge]

He nearly did but revolutionary army escaped

[modest skiff]

If anything, I think he has Anubis, not apophis. I don't think he's the enemy of light, I think he is the embodiment of consumption/constraint.

Per my theory above, I think that BB's power represents the opposite force of absolute freedom. BB pulls stuff in, removes powers, prevents movement. Luffy is the opposite. BB is still the opposite of Luffy, but it is from a different perspective.

[robust dust]

Couldn't believe that fckn haki elbow character found such an important hide out

[formal bridge]

He didn't bb did with laffite help i think

[robust dust]

Oh my bad

Prolly gotta re read soon

[pure raven]

like bnha one for all, all for one 👀

[formal bridge]

Seriously many people think bb is dumb
But he is extremely smart to have planned all this

[robust dust]

Kaido and Big Mom had very huge crews, while Shanks and BB have small yet powerful crew so I hope we can explore them more

As much as I wanna see Shanks and BB I wanna see their crews just a bit more

[formal bridge]

Who is right hand of bb shiryuu or burgess

[robust dust]

Def not Burgess

[formal bridge]

Burgess has been with him from start though

[pure raven]

him eating pie on the floor and telling Luffy the age of pirates just starting is the most romantic shit ever. he is just down-to-earth

[robust dust]

Oh shit shiryuuu with the invisible fruit....forgot about him

[formal bridge]

Who else could be his right hand

Btw bb is seriously op he has aokiji as subordinate even though i think he is working undercover

[robust dust]

Idk maybe he doesn't have one...maybe theyre not a crew in a traditional sense and they're all using each other, but they follow BB cuz he's clearly the strongest

[modest skiff]

This is not a topic for this channel. This is a #manga question

[pure raven]

burgess went down to sabo a bit too easy imo.. a little bit too easy

[formal bridge]

I was trying to hear their theories who is

[robust dust]

That's what I'm saying

[pure raven]

shiryuu is more of a mercenary to bb than right hand man. he is not a subordinate to bb

[modest skiff]

I understand what you mean, but this channel isn't just for anything that can be labeled a "theory" it needs to be an in depth discussion kinda topic rather than just light hearted predictions

[formal bridge]

Ok

[robust dust]

Fair enough sir

[formal bridge]

Why do you guys think shanks bounty is so much lower than other yonko except blackbeard rn do you guys think he is working with marines (btw i said marines not wg)

[robust dust]

With Zoro using conqueres haki through swordmanship, I believe we might see Sanji use conqueres through his kicks.....we haven't seen Sanji get pushed(emotionaly in a fight) as much as a character other than Cake island...what if he one if he encounters someone he consideres a villain(hates food/woman maybe... obviously with more depth) and that's when we'll see Sanji truly shine...

[modest skiff]

The 2 components of bounty are:

1. Total damage caused

2. Danger to the WG

It is possible Shanks is highly influential and powerful with both of these things being minimal

[formal bridge]

He stole gomu gomu no mi isn't that big for wg

[modest skiff]

it is, but maybe not as big as other yonko

[robust dust]

I think it's because he's relatively new to the scene and doesn't have the history the other 3 have...the other Big Mom and Kaido are from Rogers generation I believe and Shanks is a bit of an anomaly since he is around the same age as BB, he has done more with his own crew and obviously has some clout with the Gorosei

[modest skiff]

Shanks stole the gomu when Luffy was a child so I think he was notorious for a long time

[robust dust]

BB has done one very big thing(whitebeard...which actually helped the navy in a way) but we don't know what else he has done, thus the low bounty

[modest skiff]

I think its that Shanks has done very little damage to the world, despite doing high profile things

Shanks isn't the type to go blow up a military base

[robust dust]

Exactly, real Gs move in silence like lasagna

[formal bridge]

He released impel down prisoner destroyed marineford

[modest skiff]

........yes.

[cerulean fossil]

Shanks seems kinda like Whitebeard. Just wants to party with the bois

[robust dust]

Side question, how do we feel about the dude that's apparently(whitebeards son)...I can't believe for one second that whitebeard who only ever wanted a family would do something as careless as possibly having a child with someone and dipping...the mom might have some relation, might even be related somehow, but I can't believe that's his son

One piece sub plots really be s tier

[modest skiff]

May have stolen lineage factor

May not have known she got pregnant

May have zero method of verifying it is his kid

May feel as though the will the child has is nothing close to his own will and thus not family

Lots of possibilities

[formal bridge]

It's been told by kizaru he thinks it's a scam

[robust dust]

You must have the memory memory fruit my friend

[modest skiff]

Which chapter

I don't remember this

[formal bridge]

Nah was just watching some clips yesterday

[modest skiff]

If it was on tiktok it isn't true

[formal bridge]

Just type kizaru about weevil

[modest skiff]

ok will search tomorrow

[formal bridge]

It was not commentary

[modest skiff]

Time for me to sleep. Have a good night everyone

[robust dust]

Another prompt, does rumble balls affect zoans or just chopper....I've always wanted to see another zoan character use a rumble ball since the monster point

Good night dude

And with Luffy being a zoan, could he use rumble balls???

[formal bridge]

https://youtu.be/RmCsveYKPGU

[robust dust]

Unclear justice is a pretty interesting motto for a admiral

[formal bridge]

Actually it's been told caesar also improved his abilities through drug so maybe

[robust dust]

Very interesting... I'm sure Vegapunk had something similar, would be crazier if he new the lady that raised chopper...bit of a stretch tho, pun intended

[formal bridge]

@robust dust seriously if chopper should help luffy with his zoan too

[robust dust]

I think them(the crew) not knowing what the fruit is will hold them back a bit cuz I'm sure the Gorosei won't release any info about the fruit, but if chopper can do some medical stuff and figure that out then that would be great development for chopper

[formal bridge]

Zunisha told momo also kaido told luffy

[dusky pumice]

As much as I'm enjoying the goofy fight right now I want to see Luffy fight seriously while injecting his versatility and creativity in it.

[rough imp]

what pirate do you guys think shanks wanted to talk to the gorosei abt

[robust dust]

Zunisha said Joyboy is back, and Kaido said he's similar doing paramecia and zoan things so it'll still leave room for interpretation, no one has told them out right

[formal bridge]

Bb ofc

[rough imp]

nah

[robust dust]

Well it is his first awakening, the journey to the next arc will most likely be a training period with Luffys awakening, Zoro facing severe injuries, and Sanji sort of awakening

[naive wolf]

luffy? (Shanks = 🐁 )

[robust dust]

I remember thinking Luffy, but I don't think the answer would be that obvious, I think it's gonna be someone who isn't making the most moves right now but has the potential to be great

[pure raven]

I wouldn’t mind if Zoro gets locked out for one arc going to sleep mode to recover from that. It feels more right to me that way.

[formal bridge]

Bellamy?

[robust dust]

Law for example doesn't care about the One Piece, and he has the awakening ability of granting immortality...holy shit what if the last user sacrificed themselves to make Kaido immortal ...random thought....

[pure raven]

yup I definitely want a ‘break arc’ to catch up on reverie and get some of that new admiral :((( im dying to see him

[robust dust]

Do you truly believe Bellamy has the potential to be as strong as a Yonko?

[cerulean fossil]

the real twist comes and Bellamy is actually the MC?

[formal bridge]

You didn't say yonko though

[robust dust]

Same, I really want him to simply be the Bull Zoan, because a zoan admiral Must Be crazy

[rough imp]

shanks isn’t the nice pirate that gave luffy his straw hat i feel like oda is gonna put in a little wow and make shanks a bad guy

do you ever think Luffy will go to marijois

[formal bridge]

He could also be another hito hito user model dryad that's why he doesn't need to eat

[robust dust]

Well the only reason I can think Shanks would want to talk about a pirate that doesn't have the potential to be insanely strong is if it was some kind of master manipulator pirate

[formal bridge]

Yeah definitely if sabo is there

[pure raven]

I see him as a really young, brash careless lackadaisical admiral but on the same power level of Fujitora. And yeah a Zoan fits him. A Gorilla too maybe

[formal bridge]

What about the reason he hasn't eaten anything for 3 years

[robust dust]

Now that would be a twist that would change how everyone sees one piece imo

[rough imp]

so after wano and maybe he’ll go to elbaf or he’ll find out, oh sabos being held their and then luffy will rush their

oda tricked us with the gear 5 leaving little hints

[pure raven]

One theory would be of those large cobras. They can fast up to a month after swallowing animals whole. so maybe a snake zoan

[formal bridge]

He doesn't have sabo's vivre card

[robust dust]

Oda must hate the idea of Luffy having a family, first Ace and now Sabo and then there's BB on the hunt for Dragon....ace was enough man...

[formal bridge]

His crew is his family

[rough imp]

he’ll find a way

[robust dust]

Morgan out here keeping everyone posted no matter what so I'm sure that'll come into play

[robust dust]

You know what I mean

[cerulean fossil]

do we know BB is going after Dragon?

[formal bridge]

Morgan can't tell where is that place though

[formal bridge]

He did attack baltigo

[rough imp]

this could be considered a stretch but i would say bb fruit could be a mythical zoan
of being sun and moon

i just need to see who luffy mom is and luffy reunite with dragon

[cerulean fossil]

Maybe Dragon has one of the super weapons or something?

[robust dust]

Woah

[formal bridge]

Or it could be for mera mera no mi

[rough imp]

roger didn’t see the full one piece remeber of him saying he was too early because he didn’t have alll 3 ancient weapons.

[robust dust]

I want to know why Dragon hates the. Government so much...sure there's plenty of reasons to liberate people but I'm sure he has a very specific and personal reason, might have to do with Luffys Mom

[rough imp]

imu

[robust dust]

Like maybe Imu is forced to be in the position she is in due to family? Like she has a responsibly to be on top of the WG even if she personally doesn't? So Dragon want to free her and is willing to take on the government to do it?

[rough imp]

orrr here’s the thing dragon was a celestial dragon and we don’t know if dragon is Garps son or his in law so dragon might know the treasure and it is probably something really bad so that might be a reason.

[cerulean fossil]

Maybe BB is going after Big Mom's road ponyglyph?

[formal bridge]

@robust dust

[robust dust]

When was it revealed the mom was killed? I can't believe I don't remember that

[formal bridge]

My theory

[robust dust]

🤝

Do you think Dragon acknowledged Sabo as Luffys brother ?

[formal bridge]

He doesn't need to

[robust dust]

Fair enough

[formal bridge]

Dragon has given luffy freedom to whatever he wants to be even if he wants to be marine or pirate

[robust dust]

Another prompt, what if Vegapunk only cares about science and is only working with the WG due to funds/freedom....I really want to see an interaction between Vegapunk and Franky,l

[cerulean fossil]

Oh I think Franky and Vegapunk will definitely throw down one day

[formal bridge]

@robust dust i mean he helped kuma program to protect straw hat ship he must be a good guy

He feels like garp

[rough imp]

maybe after luffy finds the one piece he has the final battle right but it’s in marijois and luffy sits on the empty throne. (this is a stretch)

[formal bridge]

Lol thats badass

[robust dust]

The All Blue must guarentee be apart of the One Piece

[formal bridge]

I think breaking red line will reveal all blue

Red line is the real reason that keeps all seas divided

[robust dust]

Interesting

Also also what if whenever a straw hat encounter death seriously Brook awakens his fruit and is able to revive one other person, although personally I want chopper to be the only reason the crew stays healthy

Not whenever like all the time, but whenever for the first time

[formal bridge]

Yeah i don't think brook can revive i would rather have marco revive ability

[amber storm]

How do you feel about luffy gear 5?

[formal bridge]

He got tired way quickly

[robust dust]

@formal bridge oh okay that's legit, I only considered it because brooks fruit literally does one thing lmao

[formal bridge]

Maybe he can call dead souls bit not revive them
Remember he had to search his body to revive himself

[amber storm]

You don’t think it’s inherently broken? Or that it’s some bs he has this god power yet struggled so long with moriah, enies lobby, etc?

[cerulean fossil]

well he was already at the end of his rope when his fruit awakened so it makes sense the power doesn't stick around very long

[robust dust]

I just don't want it to overshadow the possibilities of gear 4, similar to how he still uses gear 3 moves every now and then, but hear 4 should be a close crew level and gear 5 being captain level threats

[formal bridge]

You talking about luffy?

[neat zenith]

Well he did fight with all his other forms for several chapters and he heavily drained right?

[mellow berry]

Guys, we need to talk about this..

Luffy says on page 15 (chapter 1045):

This is taking a lot out of me

Prior to this text bubble, we also see him go from G5 to look like a life drained Luffy.

Luffy might be sacrificing a big chunk of his life span every time he uses G5.

[robust dust]

Yooooo what if when they find the one piece and/or laboon, Brook awakens and is able to bring back his old crews spirits and puts on a grand performance

[cerulean fossil]

that'd be neat... and kinda terrifying

[formal bridge]

Lol that would be epic

[neat zenith]

He’s gonna die very young at this point 💀

[pure raven]

this might be a stretch but something about Pirate Kings not living long cos of Roger and Luffy getting drained like that.. short and sweet life ending in 40s

[robust dust]

Well we need to learn more about Joyboy and see how the fruit affected him

[mellow berry]

Either that or Oda just "set this up" because he didn't know how else he'd nerf Luffy lol

[formal bridge]

Lol yeah i think he has already wasted 100 or more years of life span already

[robust dust]

Not to be that kinda person that worshios Oda but I can't believe Oda would do that

[rough imp]

oda said in an sbs that, that wasn’t true and i still hope that this theory is true that the one piece is the 3 ancient weapons ghat will speparate the red line and connect the work to make it one piece

[neat zenith]

What if it simply meant it just rapidly consumes his already low stamina 🗿

[cerulean fossil]

I think they kinda have to make him OP. The WG has immortal monsters and BB himself is also a monster

[neat zenith]

And we might be overthinking it with lifespan

[novel tiger]

Only thing is though when he turned back Momo said “his voice is leaving again”

[rough imp]

bb is a unknown character until we get to see him more and get to know the rocks pirates more
another theory bb has multiple humans in him i mean rocks is in his son bb, that where rocks went during god valley, he went inside his son

[neat zenith]

Wasn’t that from the heart beats or whatever (doom dut da da)

[formal bridge]

He restarted his heart btw

[spark stratus]

And you jackasses didnt think it was toon force

[neat zenith]

Wait what,I thought he just increased his heart beat so it would seem louder

[novel tiger]

I think Luffy gets drained to all hell beating Kaido then has to use one last burst to save Oganshina

[rough imp]

do you think luffy will become yonko after wano

[formal bridge]

Or maybe law gonna make his immortal through that surgery

[cerulean fossil]

luffy is already a yonko isn't he?

[robust dust]

While I have mixed feelings about a future next gen one piece(like Boruto) I don't believe Luffy as of now would ever settle down and have a kid, he would be like that one uncle that always does his own thing and successful, Zoro would probably settle down like Thanos once he is the strongest and Sanji would most definitely have a restaurant over the All Blue

[novel tiger]

But then Law dies :/

[formal bridge]

I mean his heart was getting slow so he increased the beats

[robust dust]

I don't see Law sacrificing himself for Luffy unless Law looses his whole crew or something dramatic like that

[neat zenith]

Slow as in back to normal right?

[formal bridge]

No very slow i mean dying slow

[robust dust]

The sound effect for the drum heart beat better be insane

[cerulean fossil]

I could see Law being mortally injured so he uses his power on Luffy?

[pure raven]

like fishman island

[formal bridge]

Law belives in luffy remember when he said to mingo

[novel tiger]

• Kaido does something to Law and mortally wounds him

• Luffy then has to use everything he’s got to use his fruit on the island and save it

• He nearly dies

• Immortality surgery, albeit only biological immortality, meaning people could still kill him.

[formal bridge]

So you mean he won't die of organ failure or old age or disease

[neat zenith]

Hope luffys original lifespan is like 100+ years 💀

Yes

[novel tiger]

As funny as the fight is, I feel like they’re definitley hinting at something with Luffy looking as beat as he is, especially when we thought him awakening healed him

[robust dust]

True but he has so much to live for right now...it would maybe happen if he somehow brings justice for Corazon or the Polar bear crew member dies, just doesn't seem like he would do it ONLY out of believe for Luffy similar to how Roger let himself get executed to make sure he immortalized the One Piece/pirate generation but ONLY because he was dying

[neat zenith]

plus don’t think law would do the surgery until he finds out everything about the will of the D

[novel tiger]

Law’s dynamic to the rest of the WG and Luffy has definitley changed since these theories he might die first started

[formal bridge]

Didn't law take revenge already

[robust dust]

Oooh the will of the D, another interesting point

[rough imp]

luffy will die it’s inevitable, maybeeee law with do the surgery

[neat zenith]

So law won’t do it this arc but it could happen in the bb fight

[cerulean fossil]

Yeah Luffy helped him fulfill his greatest wish. It's very possible for Law to sacrifice himself for Luffy

[robust dust]

Hmmm maybe so but you get what I'm saying though right ...

[naive wolf]

honest, trying to understand how far Oda want to experiment and expecting to do something really genius about power scalling future (he is a genius at it anyways since the ambiguity of the manga)

[cerulean fossil]

yeah i follow

[neat zenith]

I don’t know how I feel about the fact that kaido doesn’t have a hole in his face/isn’t blind

[formal bridge]

Not genius i mean look at villains they don't have drawbacks but protagonist does

[dry shale]

Is this form make shorter luffy's life

[novel tiger]

I feel like G5 may not be draining Luffy’s life force or anything, but he did die. Meaning right now his will (haki) and his fruit, are the only things keeping his failing body going.

Luffy can heal, but he’s not exactly a super healer fruit

[naive wolf]

yaa, like it be kaido 4, luffy/nika 1, winner: Luffy

[neat zenith]

What if he sees the grim reaper shit that zoro sees as well? Later

[formal bridge]

Doflamingo too he was able to heal his injury while fighting that's epic

[naive wolf]

1046 ends with Rocks shadow hehe

[robust dust]

If law was so down for Luffy, why not just join his crew...because he has his own ambitions/ideals.....I can't accept that Law would just lay down his life for Luffy with a real reason...also would Luffy even accept that? Does he even want to be Immortal? Maybe Law will do something like take away the drawbacks off the fruit without making him immortal but it will take a huge tole, like Might Guy using the eights gates but not dying(even thought it was technically Naruto but that's besides the point)

Without*

[formal bridge]

Enma is god of hell in budfhist religion

[pure raven]

he didn't heal his injury... he only makes his injury to recover using his string so it'll be less hurt

[rough imp]

law won’t join his crew because laws trying to find out what the will of D is that the reason of his crew so he can travel and see

[formal bridge]

That's epic too no protagonist can do that during fight

Except marco maybe

[pure raven]

well he did it while luffy lost his g4 form, not really epic

[cerulean fossil]

didn't big mom heal herself?

[neat zenith]

Since that connects with luffys adventure,they would keep the alliance going right?

[formal bridge]

He was doing when law injured him

[wooden canopy]

All the healing that is possible is due the specific devil fruits luffy just has one of them

[formal bridge]

Luffy can't heal himself

[pure raven]

doesn't law wasn't there?

[formal bridge]

Bro law was fighting him first

[wooden canopy]

Just make his heart beat whenever he wants that's all I took from the chapter (the chapter was fire)

[robust dust]

that's a real reason, thank you, but are we sure he would sacrifice himself once he learned that? The will of the D can't be something that revolves around Luffy so why would he....but that's enough on that

[pure raven]

um i was talking about when he fights at the city

[robust dust]

I would love some doctor interactions between chopper and law though

[formal bridge]

His will is will of corazon to help others

[neat zenith]

But it prolly revolves around joy boy which is technically luffy rn

[cerulean fossil]

Like an episode of ER but it's Law and Chopper talking shop?

[novel tiger]

Alright theory:

Luffy’s G5 and his pure willpower is allowing himself to keep living (contorting his rubber heart to beat) even in death.

Problem: Luffy still died and he has to keep himself alive manually with his awakening now.

[formal bridge]

Soon chopper will fix that

[rustic jasper]

Waiting for 1047

[robust dust]

Well is he though? Sure Joyboy had the same fruit and power but does that really mean Joyboy was passed down through the fruit...I think zunisha only said Joyboy was back because of the power he/she felt not because it was actually him

[formal bridge]

Will of joyboy

[robust dust]

Also also it's called model Nika, not model Joyboy...very interesting points though

Will of Joy D Boy

[formal bridge]

Maybe joy boy inherited nika will

[neat zenith]

Will of D prolly revolves around the sun god nika then

[robust dust]

Yes but that Joyboy is still Joyboy, and I personally I want Luffy to still be Luffy, not some split personally thingy with Joyboy, but again that imo

[neat zenith]

Ye same

[wooden canopy]

I think it's more likely related to the ancient kingdom

[novel tiger]

Luffy’s drums of liberation are him having such good control of his heart, his will to live, and the fact he awakened his fruit near death in battle, made him manually restart his heartbeat out of pure willpower.

But now that Luffy is so near death and isn’t really a healer fruit, something will have to be done.

But Law might not actually have to give up his fruit and life to do it now that he’s awakened his fruit.

I think if that’s the case, this is literally Oda giving one giant callback to Marineford with Ivankoff

[formal bridge]

It's not about personality but about freedom just like nika freed slaves

[robust dust]

Most likely as throughout history it has always been the poster child for liberation, similar to the attack titan

[wooden canopy]

Makes sense

[novel tiger]

Luffy not fearing death and wanting to continue battle even as his body fails literally is Marineford to a tee.

[neat zenith]

I swear if some meat solves all these heart problems 💀

[fading slate]

Is it safe to say now that joyboy created long ring island?

[pure raven]

So you’re saying Shanks is gonna show up last minute for the shizzles : P

[robust dust]

Oh okayyyyy i see you, but that has to do with liberation not Joyboy you know...I like the idea of it being revolved around Nika(a god) rather than Joyboy(a pirate, even if he's a goated)

[novel tiger]

Either Law gives his life, awakened Law finds a workaround, Vegapunk stops in, something involving Shanks, or a combination of some of these

[formal bridge]

Joyboy also wanted to bring fishman on surface and end discrimination

[pure raven]

i much prefer Luffy to be a symbol like Nika than some Joyboy reincarnation or anything like that. Would prefer it to be a title or a symbol

[formal bridge]

Or it could be chopper working overtime to heal luffy

?

[cerulean fossil]

Law and Chopper are both there. I think Luffy will be fine

[formal bridge]

Why did you delete

[robust dust]

I doubt that, but someone said there's no way the navy only dispatched (can't remember the name so imma say) crew 0 to the Wano war

[pure raven]

I’m just assuming joyboy was the previous person to awaken the fruit that’s it

[cerulean fossil]

CP0?

[novel tiger]

I wonder what the giant straw hat in the freezer has to do with this, though

[formal bridge]

Cp0

[robust dust]

Thank you

[formal bridge]

Nika hat lol

[novel tiger]

Maybe the hat has a DF?

[robust dust]

Yes but he did it through Nika right, Luffy has his own ideals which hell achieve through Nika...just my take though, not tryna shut you down

[pure raven]

yh im just kidding. we had Marco so that’s enough for me

[novel tiger]

That’s actually kinda wack thinking about it, we know DFs can go into objects.

Does that giant SH have a Devil fruit?

[formal bridge]

Yeah i mean their approach might be different but their goal is same freedom

[robust dust]

🤝

[formal bridge]

I mean if they had same approach it's bound to fail

[novel tiger]

Maybe if the hat has a DF, it’s the treasure of Mary Geriose?

[formal bridge]

If it has eaten df what do you think it might be

[robust dust]

Maybe it's a devil fruit that based on freedom as everyone who ever wore it is considered the freest person in the world, which would be ironic as that straw hat is locked up right now, maybe its the hat if a Giant that had the Nika fruit

[formal bridge]

Man isn't it weird luffy never got a single df other than gomu gomu no mi in all these 1000+ chapters

I mean for selling or just in his hand

[robust dust]

Very good point, I want some a ratio from the WG on fruits that are being used rn vs ones that are waiting to be found

[formal bridge]

Mera mera was in hand of sabo

Luffy never touched another fruit

[cerulean fossil]

I don't think it's that weird. Mos people in the one piece world don't even see 1 fruit their whole lives

[formal bridge]

He is in new world though also look at kaido every crew member has df

[robust dust]

With there being a fire fruit and a magma fruit, ice vs snow, mochi vs rubber, and there's Zoan fruits with different models so the ammount of fruits must be suureal

[formal bridge]

Same for big mom

[robust dust]

Most of em were fabricated though to be fair

[formal bridge]

I mean top crew members is a lot too

[fading kraken]

Everyone's talking about Shanks knowing about the Hito hito no mi. But did Garp knew about it? It would make sense why he just threw luffy off clips and into wild animals knowing that he is Zoan and it's only animal instinct that he won't be hurt that much.

[formal bridge]

Only gorosei knew it

[cerulean fossil]

I guess that's true but they never really say how they got those fruits either. Like they could have purchased them for tons of money. Luffy and the gang have never really hunted for devil fruits

[robust dust]

Side note, I'm pretty sure it's confirmed Enel(lighting fruit guy will return, dude is literally chilling in the moon right now, and he had had haki before it was introduced, do you think he'll be out of touch when he returns or even stronger, will he be friend or for? It would be badass if he simply blasted himself from the moon to earth and lit Sanjis cigarette when he landed

[formal bridge]

Yeah straw hats never hunted or bought

But what are they searching for as treasure if not df @cerulean fossil

[fading kraken]

Garp knew Roger and fought Rock on god Valley. He must know some secrets of World Government. Or then how would you justify why shanks knew about it.

[naive wolf]

it depends of Enel's ambition, like he aint care about the blue sea, rather the outside space

[cerulean fossil]

haha that's fair

[robust dust]

Like what if Enel is so bored on the moon he developed his observation haki to be able to see what's going on earth and one day he will see something he likes and decide to come down seeing himself as a God

[night lava]

Or he found something on the moon that made him go down to the blue sea

[formal bridge]

I never said shanks knew. I think shanks didn't he just stole from cp9 because he can

[robust dust]

Kinda like Sukuna chilling because hes watching Megumi

[night lava]

Perhaps the scripture there tells where certain important islands are located

[robust dust]

What if there's a ponegliff, sacred weapon, or something regarding the void century on the moon

[fading kraken]

I think so too. But if he knew than so can Garp.

[unborn nymph]

I hope the mochi mochi guy wont die

[night lava]

Exactly

[naive wolf]

yaa maybe he heard of the one piece and feels like to go messing around, would he have conquerors haki? i bet he does

[night lava]

Prob just a fodder mini boss quest for luffy

[pure raven]

Enel is a great character that fell victim to haki lore and got powered down. In my own mind of Onepiece Enel is still a hella cool and strong villain that isn’t inferior to anyone.

[night lava]

"Oh thunder god? Too bad, im the sun god"

[cerulean fossil]

It would be fun to see him come back down for revenge and get 1 shot by Luffy

[robust dust]

I hope he becomes something much more than that, and hopefully not really a villain as he wants to he a God

[night lava]

Comes down with an army of whatever thing he found up there

[robust dust]

It's insane that that might actually happen as Oda likes to troll ig but I really hope not

Do you guys think Buggy will always be a troll of he might might have like One moment where he pops off....it would be cool if it was something in regards to shanks or Rodgers old crew, ik ik Buggy doesn't really care about anything but it would be nice if he had literally one serious moment and then back to trolling... thoughts?

[naive wolf]

they cyborgs, also what about the straw hat on the moon's hyeroglyph

[night lava]

Probably just trolls away from the government

It doesnt even matter if he gets serious or not, not like he can get very strong in a short amount of time. Hes not one of the protagonists

[naive wolf]

yeach, it could be great, though dunno if he be serious more that 1 or 2 panels, he is too memeable in Oda hands

[night lava]

Do you think the lunarians are actually the people on the moon, i mean its on the name now

[robust dust]

Well his fruit has the potential for some crazy stuff, if he could split atoms that's a walking nuke, plus he managed to survive for so long and I don't think it's only because hes a troll, technically he was one of Luffys first antagonist...at the very least I hope for some backstory as to how he needed up with rodgers and who inspired him to be a clown

[night lava]

He is a clown after all

[night lava]

Thats possible but i dont think that could happen, hes not that clever to pull that off. Remember back at logue town he didnt even realized he was talking to luffy

Hes basically like a ussop that isnt smart, just pure comic relief

[robust dust]

Imagine something along the lines of "buster call....what about a Buggy call..." But that's a personal dream of mine that won't ever happen

[night lava]

Then the islands gets bombed by buggy bombs 🤔

[naive wolf]

yaa like literally i cannot think about that guy without laughing! 🤣

[night lava]

Even back at impel down which is supposed to be a very serious arc and event. Hes just there like a light on a dark room

[robust dust]

Something like that, or he just goes wild/awakens and starts splitting literally everything....I just love troll character who are secretly badass even though I know that's not who buggy is

Ig finding out why he wanted to be clown will be enough, might be similar to Senior Pink in a sense but more funny and less tragic

[night lava]

Possible awakening while getting chased by the government, he finds it out, threatens the marines they can split their bodies and they will die, he escapes.

Its entirely possible since we got multiple awakenings this arc

[cerulean fossil]

I really hope Oda does give Buggy his own epic moment. Like somehow he gets a cheapshot on an admiral and defeats him or something at least

[night lava]

Imo its probably just him losing a bet to shanks as a child

[robust dust]

I can accept that lmao, at least he honored something in his life

[night lava]

Indeed

[night lava]

Yeah then he gets his own "God Ussop" moment

[robust dust]

Two little kids from Rodgers crew and ones a Yonko while the others a troll lmao

[pure raven]

Buggy OVA maybe in the future. Also likely he would be there for end of onepiece. Not playing a part but it almost feels like he would get some pirate credit totally by accident.

[robust dust]

Speaking of liberation, could you imagine the flag bearer fruit user from the revolutionaries using her ability on devil fruit users

[robust dust]

Only person besides Zoro that could find the one piece by accident lmao

[cerulean fossil]

Somehow he's going to luck his way into becoming a yonko or something by the end of the manga

[night lava]

Accidentally drop a timer bomb to an enemy ship then when the straw hat is on the edge, the bomb will explode or get activated by a random dude/animal and turns the table around for the sh crew

[naive wolf]

i mean yeah, clown comedy has a big backgroung about deep stories, like psycologies talk about the sad clown syndrome, it is a very honorable job also, i agree with he deserving to have someone to push him to make up as clown, like maybe he knows about the legendary joyboy and want to make people laugh clowning around, what about that?

[night lava]

Low chance tho, he was basically known as a cruel person

[naive wolf]

he prolly skip that part of the legend, you right he hijacked and whole town

[cerulean fossil]

Yeah Buggy is not a very honorable person. TBH he's kind of a jerk at the start of the manga and he deserved everything he got but... I still love him

[night lava]

And destroyed atleast 5 houses for a bomb test

[naive wolf]

he was insane, he may not deserve redemption

[night lava]

Yeah, best he will ever get is fake credits he got accidentally

[cerulean fossil]

Maybe Buggy will somehow come across an injured Moria and save his life. So Moria joins his crew. OMG the dream team

[robust dust]

Maybe the town he took over had a dark undertone we didn't get to see....idk just a thought

[cerulean fossil]

Oh like they ate babies so Buggy decided to liberate the town

The noble noble Buggy

[robust dust]

Or maybe he simply got off track and started doing bad stuff and got away from his dream (maybe it's making the world laugh in honor of laugh take)

[naive wolf]

what, like chuchu being controlling everybody with psychic powers? haha just kidding

[night lava]

He didnt reach the island tho

[robust dust]

I know he's a troll, just wondering if he has any depth whatsoever

[cerulean fossil]

Well he was on the crew of the Pirate King and his pirate career was pretty.... sad. Working a dead end job I could totally see the bitterness piling up

[robust dust]

Exactly, that's his "laugh tale"

[night lava]

So basically what youre saying is that he got the wrong impretation of laugh tale or something

[robust dust]

Well I was kind stretching because there's such a thing called laugh tale and maybe buggy dream is to make everyone laugh....just thinking out loud friend

[night lava]

Indeed, well i do think anything that includes buggy is a stretch

[robust dust]

Really out here playing connect the dots with a thousand plus chap manga

[cerulean fossil]

I getcha but I honestly prefer the greedy, sheister buggy who somehow lucks his way into success haha

[robust dust]

Fair enough good sir

Was there ever a clone fruit? Like making actual doubles but only of themselves, seeing a crew made up of only once person would be interesting

[cerulean fossil]

I really would like to see Buggy teaming up with Moria somehow. That'd be like peak villainry

[robust dust]

Imagine having a clone ability but you have each of your clones learn something different so you can come back together and do something greater

[night lava]

If that ever existed, do you think the said clones can eat devil fruits

[naive wolf]

he surely heard something, like when they farewell with Oden, as Buggy and Red-taro were very chilling. I dunno i just imagine Buggy disturbing all the time like : "what you found out on raftel"? until maybe someone just tell him a very tiny snippet of the legend of Joyboy and why is so important make people laughs

[robust dust]

That might be a little broken, but considering how hard it is to find fruits it could also be plausible

[pure raven]

might have been. by the way there’s like at least 10 fruits even the diehard OP fans won’t know about that’s been in Onepiece games on gameswan and gameboy.

[robust dust]

Where can I learn about these 10 fruits

[night lava]

One piece game on gameboy?

[pure raven]

yup some rpg games

[night lava]

Oh damn, ima search fir these

[robust dust]

And are these fruits actually goated or trolls like the bubble and giraffe fruits

[cerulean fossil]

I like giraffes!

[naive wolf]

add wapol who has a kewl devil fruit

[night lava]

Oh basically like street fighter

[cerulean fossil]

Oh! Brilliant!

[robust dust]

Nothing wrong with em but you gotta admit using your long neck and nose to fight is a troll

[pure raven]

fighting game and 2 rpgs iirc.

they did not sell well…

[robust dust]

It would be cool to see the slow mo fruit come back, but maybe foxy died and someone else is using it, so much potential

[night lava]

Well, theres the saying: "if its stupid but it works, then its not stupid"

[robust dust]

Also also as long as Moira is alive I want to see nightmare Luffy at least one more time

[robust dust]

Stupid is what stupid does - Forrest gumps mom lmao

[pure raven]

Now that I think about it, Moria’s design was kind of gag. more gag than most villains. Disney villain

[robust dust]

I know this is really relevant to theories but are y'all excited to see the new one piece odessy game, do you think there will be content that's relative to the story?

[robust dust]

Fckn Ursula but vampire and not octopus

[naive wolf]

i bet lunarians and fishmans are somehow linked, like they feels very opposites yet

[robust dust]

Isn't*

[cerulean fossil]

I could see them adding more lore to side characters back stories but nothing that would really affect the main story

[pure raven]

nope nothing canon. it might be just another onepiece world seeker. average game, nothing amazing.

[robust dust]

Plus with whole moon affects the ocean thing irl that would make sense

[naive wolf]

and both races were persecuted badly by humans aka WG

[night lava]

It would also makes sense that lunarians are actually moon peoole not only fron the name but from what they are said to be. Theyre said to be able to survive any environment you throw them in, aka the moon or the vacuum of space

[robust dust]

Maybe Enel is a decendant of one of the Lunarians that went to earth

[night lava]

Is he really tho? Lunarians are said to be tough. Enel is the same guy who almost passed out from a single punch from luffy

[naive wolf]

and fishman are capable of survive prolly on the marianas trench

[robust dust]

Well that's more to do with rubber vs electricity, if he fought literally anyone else the outcome should be different

[cerulean fossil]

well Enel had no guard up against that first punch at all because he had no idea he could be hurt

[night lava]

Fair enough

[naive wolf]

will Enel throw away all lunarians fixtures just to be intangible with his logia fruit?

[robust dust]

It would be interesting to see a competition as basic as an arm wrestling match between crazy strong individuals in one piece

[night lava]

Do we have any ideas as to how logia awakening would work?

[robust dust]

Yeah maybe the devil fruit interfered with his genetics down to what made him part lunarian

[austere tapir]

LUFFY ONE SHOT KAIDO???

[robust dust]

I mean I picture aokiji awakening being similar to omega level mutant iceman

[robust dust]

Yes, but actually no

[austere tapir]

how to get pic perms

[night lava]

Freezing everything seems to be already part of his basic abilities

Aokiji did froze an entire ocean from 1 island to another with a hand and partly sleepy

[austere tapir]

why is everyones name Youss in mods

[dense imp]

He might be able to freeze concepts like how Kuma can push concepts

[gray hawk]

What if it was to permanently change his/her surrounding in contrast to paramecia. Example punk hazard. That's as 1 ability at least

[night lava]

Time freeze 🤔

[robust dust]

Maybe logia fruits are sort of awakened already considering how much stronger they're considered to paramecia and logia

[night lava]

Basically control weather and natural events

[pulsar ether]

imagine luffy getting the sword at skull dome to kill kaido , that sword might be joyby's

[naive wolf]

I have the idea that there are a lot of awakens df user throughout the series and we can see it as the feats they are able to do, like aokiji vs akainu transforming an entire island, etc

[night lava]

Possible

[gray hawk]

We dont really know the full extent of a logia devil fruit

[robust dust]

Affecting concepts would be interesting but how would it work with other logia fruits, Alainu for example, what if when awakened he can move tectonic plates with magma....

[night lava]

I do think its similar and basic as a paramecia, turning everything in their surrounding to their corresponding elements

[robust dust]

Also is monster point what we should consider an awakened Zoan?

[night lava]

Probably a forced awakening?

Since it was achieved using medicine

[buoyant prawn]

kaido backstory next chapter?

[robust dust]

And if a rumble ball can force awaken zoans, then I'm sure if you reverse engineer it you can come up with something for logia and paramecia

[gray hawk]

What if devil fruit function like one for all from mha since there already is a theory surrounding how the will of previous users being inherited when you eat a devil fruit

[robust dust]

Most likely the climax of the fight.... hopefully

[night lava]

If so, chopper would get a huge bounty over his head for inventing a medicine that can awaken your fruit

[gray hawk]

So devil fruit would all be 1 catagory but previous users found a way to expand their power creating the 3 debil fruit catagory we know of

[naive wolf]

chopper deserves a hight bounty by the way

[night lava]

Very high, hes literally one of the ppl keeping the whole crew alive

[robust dust]

Yeah bounties are always accurate, chopper is a medic so ofc he wouldnt do anything crazy to warrant a huge bounty, but if his research was to be understood than yeah a big bounty is in order

Aren't*

[night lava]

Yeah, its probay as crazy as inventing a cure to cancer

[robust dust]

Sorry if this is extreme but if Hitler created the cure for cancer would that make up for what he did? He would save more lives than he took but nah it wouldbt change what he did so I'm sure no matter how much good chopper does (he was literally healing friend and for alike in wano) the navy would probably make him a priority to take down like Robin just because he is a pirate.

Not comparing chopper to Hitler lmao just saying

[cerulean fossil]

Basically, if you don't follow the WG's rules then you're an enemy no matter how good of a person you are

[night lava]

1. No, not really. It will be like getting help from the person you hate. You thanked him but you still hate him

2. Probably same as robin

[robust dust]

I think Nami mapping the entire world would something she could do once they reach one piece, and I think if she continues to map places the government doesn't want others to know about similar to Robin revealing the void century in the future and Law with the will of the D that would make Luffys crew even more dangerous in the WG eyes despite even if they never killed a single civilian

[formal bridge]

I don't think navy thinks of him as. Pirate

[robust dust]

Welcome back

[formal bridge]

Hey

[night lava]

Very possible, the wg goes ape to anyone that reveals their secret

[robust dust]

Also any theories as to which warlord killed Z's family from the movie?

Maybe it was a warlord we didn't meet yet

[formal bridge]

Chopper is 100 bounty rn

[night lava]

An unknown retired warlord probably

[robust dust]

They prolly think of him as a pet or something lmao

[formal bridge]

Mihawk?

[cerulean fossil]

I still think it's weird to put a bounty on someone's pet

[formal bridge]

Or crocodile

[robust dust]

Maybe Mihawk used to go ape shit back in the day before mellowing out, or maybe he could control his strength and a situation got out of control, I'm pretty sure we don't know all the details regarding the death as in it wasn't reveled that they were actually murdered on purpose

[formal bridge]

It's a world where they kill pirate kidds too

[robust dust]

I mean people steal mascots from other teams in real life all the time, its like hey if you could capture that little reindeer that's with the strawgat we'll give ya 100

[robust dust]

Couldn't

[cerulean fossil]

ohhhh.... that makes sense. More like giving the SHs the middle finger than actually having it out for Chopper himself

[robust dust]

Yes sir

[night lava]

I think the wg doesnt realize that the small cute "mascot" they see is the one that treats all the sh crew's wounds and diseases

[gray hawk]

Kinda like stealing the flag of a crew

[robust dust]

I would be interesting if they put bounties on the ships themselves as they're everything to a pirate crew

[formal bridge]

Btw i don't think they should have given 100 i mean who would become strawhat enemy for 100

[robust dust]

Imagine back in the day there was a capture the flag kind of thing but between pirates and whoever won absorbed the loser

[night lava]

Davy back fight was it

[cerulean fossil]

They also could have made the bounty for chopper just to make it easier to identify the strawhats. Chopper is a pretty unique looking character even for the One Piece universe

[robust dust]

Oh whaaaa, I'm debating wether to read dragon ball or re read Naruto ( first manga I ever read plus all the reels on YouTube of small things in Naruto that I want to revisit) but one piece is next, once I'm done I'm gonna revisit this chat as a whole other person lmao

[night lava]

If i were you id go for naruti since that ine is actually done

[robust dust]

Ik this ain't relevant but considering how die hard we all are, how did you all start one piece , for me it was seeing gear 4 in jump force and I spent the next 2-3 months reading one piece which at the time was around 945 chaps

[cerulean fossil]

I started on one piece like... 16 years ago

[night lava]

Started because my cool uncle downloaded like every ep until dressrosa arc

[robust dust]

What if there was an atom atom fruit, or creation fruit, we know there's a food fruit so what else is possible

Also but why did you start

[night lava]

Then i rewatch those ep, like 700 or 800 ep for about 5 times

Including the fillers

[robust dust]

Now that's dedication

[cerulean fossil]

I had a friend who was into manga / anime and got me into it. I've never really been too hardcore about it but it's one of the only series i won't give up until it's finished

[night lava]

People say one piece is too long, while im here thinking that its too short

[robust dust]

I'm the type to read/watch until it slows down and start something else, one piece is one of the very few that had me hooked begging to end

[night lava]

Modern mangas are boring and very predictable in plot

[midnight pendant]

exactly bro

[night lava]

Aka, the mc are all highschool 15 yr olds who have a magic power and theyre god reincarnation and have 10 girls drooling over them

[cerulean fossil]

Yeah one piece is one of those series I've just never been able to get bored of and one of the only few mangas I read these days

Oh well. Bed time. It was fun being arm chair theorists y'all have a good night.

[robust dust]

Good night 🤝

Another side note but if anyone is open to manwha(Korean comics) Lookism had one piece level storytelling in the sense that there's a lot of lore we don't know about even thought the current plot is still interesting and every flashback contributes to the story

[ashen surge]

!otherseries

[edgy viper]

Sounds very good. I love the idea of polychromatic light playing a role here. To add to this, in the TCB translation Kaido's inner monologue goes "This guy is using neither Armanent nor Conqueror's", suggesting there may be a force involved that Kaido isn't at all familiar with.

[robust dust]

My bad just wanted to share it with the people ik talking to here

[robust dust]

Yeah the origin of haki is something I hope we see and no one said haki is the only force out there

[edgy viper]

Also I think you are onto something with the constellation of celestial bodies. It has always been puzzling how the prophecy could've been accurate to the year, some even mention an exact day. Even the sea kings now this. If there was astronomy involved, calculating the next solar eclipse for example, this makes sense.
@primal cargo what do you think about the day of prophecy being a day of astronomical significance?

[robust dust]

I mean conquers haki is literally using your will power to force others into submission so I'm sure there's more we can explore in terms if concepts

[primal cargo]

It's certainly the best explanation I can think of, yes
Now whether or not Luffy's awakening is conditioned by this mysterious timer, I do not know but I'd rather not.
The reason being, I don't think the Nika fruit is necessary for whatever the One Piece and the dawn of the world are. After all, Roger said he was too early, not that he was missing the right one mythical fruit.

[robust dust]

I think Nikas goal is freedom while Luffys goal is the One Piece and now we'll see how that correlates

I mean Luffy liberated towns and such before but if was only because he had a personal reason(crew members for example) and he's not the type that thinks enough to "try" to liberate the same way his dad does, it's more like a bonus

He's liberating Wano right now but he sees it as defeating Kaido more than freeing the people if that makes sense

[halcyon tusk]

he typically won’t get involved unless he’s directly asked to unless the situation is messed up enough. i’ve always liked that about him

[robust dust]

That's why he's a goated MC 🤝

[halcyon tusk]

luffy did a lot for law just cause he was asked lol it’s unreal. like he must really fw law to be so down for the cause

[edgy viper]

I agree on the timer issue. Joyboy already has a soft timer, as he seems to depend on Poseidon for something. So even if Joyboy appeared as, say, Noland, he couldn't have fulfilled the prophecy anyway.
I think the desire not to rule is a very important factor in why nobody awakened it for 800 years. I'd argue this is a very rare disposition.

[halcyon tusk]

we have to keep in mind that the last one to do so still failed

[edgy viper]

It's certainly not, because Rokushiki is a thing and that stems from physical capability iirc. So a third system or a combination of the two is on the table. Such a combination has already been hinted at in Lucci's vivre card, saying he "improved his Rokushiki-related Haki" whatever that means.

[robust dust]

What kind of force do you envision?

[faint crater]

I have a theory that luffy as two souls one is nikas and the other is himself allowing luffy to have a df slot open to ear another devil fruit to match up to black beard

[robust dust]

I don't think he needs another fruit....it would be better if he mastered a single fruit to a level that it surpasses someone that is simply efficient in both

[halcyon tusk]

the point is that he inherently already has everything he needs to become the freer than anyone else as ace put it

his imagination in his fighting style has always been highlighted

[manic brook]

!rank

[robust dust]

So maybe something along the lines of by inherently wanting to be free you will free others by default, if you have your own ideas on how others should be free(which I guess you could consider ruling) then it doesn't count

And no one who was "evil" could ever use more than the paramecia aspects of the fruit, of maybe the fruit truly has a mind of it's own and it spawns or somewhat travels in a way that it'll always end up the someone who desires to be free

[edgy viper]

Uff, that's a hard one. Haki is based on mental and Rokushiki on physical capabilities, so I have two guesses:
A) Creativity. Luffy mastered ACoA by "envisioning" the Haki flow, maybe there is a force that can be harnessed purely by visualising.
B) Light. You utilize a potential interaction between sunlight and your fruit to harness electromagnetic forces that can be used as armor.
Youss' take on how Luffy seemingly doesn't take damage from Kaido's CoC coated strikes suggests that there's such a force in play here, but it's impossible to narrow it down I feel like.

[halcyon tusk]

EOS Blackbeard in my mind will be a devil fruit user of every type possessing the Dark Dark Fruit, the Quake Quake, and the Mythical type zoan model “Black Kraken” each of which has an abnormal effect that i can’t begin to speculate on because Awakenings are tricky to generalize even a tiny bit so it remains ambiguous but i trust Oda to find a way to tie everything together nice and neat 🙂

it’s also unclear how effective Haki will be in that fight as well

[edgy viper]

Because theoretically, if Youss' take on polychromatic light is correct, Luffy should be shielded from all energy-based attacks thrown at him. Maybe that's why he doesn't get affected by Kaido's CoC coating, it's considered a type of energy.

[robust dust]

I used to think that as long as Luffy has the willpower his haki levels will be critical to his fight with BB, but with all this new information it seems that he could probably nerf BB or just boost himself based of of his interpretation of haki/outside force

[halcyon tusk]

he is definitely effected by it. it put em on his ass multiple times already even knowing it was coming didn’t help a direct hit

[halcyon tusk]

blackbeard said it himself though, darkness swallows up everything

[robust dust]

Woah I just looked up polychromatic light and the fact that it's white because it absorbs all other colors is cool which could explain why the Nika form is white....that's some outside the box thinking right there dude

[edgy viper]

I'm really not sure Luffy is feeling Kaido's kanabo here. These "It hurts!!!" speech bubbles look as fishy as the ones from og cartoons when the Roadrunner drops an anvil on Wiley.

[robust dust]

But now that we're playing with concepts and the absurdity that is the Nika fruit can we truly say the dark fruit will affect Luffy the same way it was used against Ace?

[halcyon tusk]

well that just goes back to luffy’s base defenses at their core. blunt weapons are basically useless

[halcyon tusk]

it can supposedly shut any devil fruit power off which is where haki will play a big part in straight defense

[robust dust]

I guess we need more development on Luffys part and more evidence of BB before we can make an accurate theory

[halcyon tusk]

blackbeard is playing everything too close to the vest for anyone to catch on to what he’s really doing until he’s already done it

[edgy viper]

Final take: Haki has often been called "Color". Color of the Conqueror, of Armanent, bla. Polychromatic light contains all colors and Luffy seems to be unfazed by Kaido's Color of Conqueror. This looks solid.

[edgy viper]

Unless they're coated in Haki, though, which Kaido does.
Compare how Luffy had to defend against Kanabo strikes during roof piece and how he doesn't even bother to evade now.

[halcyon tusk]

well he can counter them anyway and at this point it’s all or nothing. basically rolling “reckless attack” like in D&D combat

[manic brook]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-hercules-with-zues-lightning-gif-4901673

[robust dust]

With white being polychromatic and balck being ultraviolet/colors you can't see maybe it won't be black to luffy, like what was said about the emphasis on colors of haki, maybe Luffy will be able to understand the darkness in a way....stretching tho pun intended

[halcyon tusk]

luffy goes into the black hole, imagines a hole to get out, presto

[robust dust]

I hope it's something more solid than that or else it's just gonna be supreme doctor strange saying "things got out of hand"

[halcyon tusk]

blackbeard will probably go down by his own hand, the powers become unstable and betray him as it was always going to do.

[robust dust]

It would be interesting if Luffy got sucked in, then the crews are stuck fighting each other but BB will end having some sort of internal fight because Luffy has the will to be free and there's no way BB is gonna capture him and there will be no repercussions

[halcyon tusk]

well i was generalizing to make a point but with contact turning off his Devil Fruit plain and simple, if he ever goes into the black hole, his sheer Will to persist will likely be his only salvation

darkness is just the absence of light and the Sun is always going to be an immovable source of light

[robust dust]

Apparently the real life BB died by getting ambushed so maybe BB will get to a level where the whole world will have to come together to stop him, follow that up with Luffy breaking the grand line and all blue to make the world into "one piece" ....shit sounds good to me

[halcyon tusk]

interesting paradox

[robust dust]

It's like the sharpest spear vs strongest shield, at that point it's a contest of endurance

[halcyon tusk]

i don’t think the collective powers that be could bring him down as he is now. but luffy can

[robust dust]

I'm sure the actual 1v1 with BB will be the longest fight yet

[halcyon tusk]

or the shortest

[robust dust]

Sure Luffy will be the main point on defeating BB but the world coming together to make that opportunity for Luffy sounds plausible I think

[halcyon tusk]

well blackbeard’s own meticulous planning could be his undoing as well

showing up somewhere in his arrogance could backfire

[formal tangle]

i wonder if bb can already use advanced conquerors haki

[halcyon tusk]

likely

[robust dust]

Do you think a traitor could be among BB crew, not talking about those that think Aokiji is btw

[halcyon tusk]

nope. not even a little

[robust dust]

Like maybe BB is so confident that he wouldn't imagine someone getting a one up on him so he lets anyone he seems strong on his crew

[halcyon tusk]

i think he found all those whom just wanna watch it all burn

[robust dust]

Fair enough, I like the idea that theyre not a crew in the traditional sense and that they're simply using each other and the BB is the Captain because he is the strongest

[halcyon tusk]

i still don’t quite follow how the yami yami no mi could’ve chosen him as he so proudly declared when he had to take it from someone else whom had already had it in their possession

[robust dust]

A whole crew of people who want to watch the world burn with the firepower(pun intended) to burn the world would be crazy

[cursive flume]

not sure if spoken about before, but BB is always portrayed as the polar opposite of luffy with the same goals and traits, luffy recently awakened his fruit to sun god nika. from what is happening, i believe that there is a moon god out there in the world of one piece, and blackbeard is the one portraying him.

[robust dust]

WG has to have some kind of contingency considering they been battling devil fruit users for so long and where able to make it so no one in the current generation knew about the truth behind the gomu gomu no mi

[formal tangle]

now that you say it like this, this guy resembles rocks d xebec a lot

[halcyon tusk]

he might have to be beaten more than once too. each face might come out to play as another falters

that could be how ace really lost

[robust dust]

Imagine beating the devil fruit outta BB

[merry elm]

Bro what’s next mane

[robust dust]

Like Luffy liberates whitebeards fruit out of BB as he only needs the dark fruit to be alive

[halcyon tusk]

shanks just asked for more time before ace fought him. i don’t see how more time would’ve changed the outcome

[formal tangle]

what're you smoking

[halcyon tusk]

and if he has a mythical zoan too then he’s gotta whole nother bag

[robust dust]

Too much and not enough my friend

I can't wait to hear BB explanation as to why he targeted Ace, it had to be more than just recognition from WG right?

[formal tangle]

he didnt target ace, ace targeted him

[halcyon tusk]

i’m a big fan of how Oda is having fun finally. nothing i’ve seen really raises any flags with Luffy’s abilities. seems to me like it’s always been like this just not as boosted

[halcyon tusk]

ace was a victim of opportunity

he knew someone would come to try and make him pay for breaking the iron rule

[robust dust]

Was it revenge on Rodger? But why would he, I believe Rodger treated him as well as any other crew member....was it to draw out Whitebeard, but why did he want that specific paramecia out of all the paramecia fruits there possibly could be....why

[halcyon tusk]

he needed to provoke a move out of whitebeard and the WG. his plan wouldn’t have come to fruition as soon had it been luffy he captured and turned in instead of Ace

Marco should’ve went with him

[robust dust]

Yeah it doesn't feel to out of touch which is awesome, you can't just outta nowhere make someone overpowered, but I can believe in what he's doing.... Luffy having fun fighting strong people and liberating others by default is what he's been doing all this time. Man been imprisoned twice and wasn't even stressing cuz he never once believed he couldn't get out

[halcyon tusk]

having no doubt, that’s power. or something like that said Rayleigh

[halcyon tusk]

i really like how you worded that there too

kuzan is a wildcard that’s constantly throwing me off. the only motive i can think of him actually having to be rolling with BB is to indirectly watch Robin’s back

[robust dust]

Another question, it seems the Gorosei knew about gomu fruit being the Nika fruit this whole damn time so why didn't they try harder to get Luffy, if it has the potential for being a, let's say nuke, in the right hands why would the WG of all people think maybe it's okay as long as its not in the right hands...yeah they said the fruit has been elusive but from the second Luffy got his first bounty they could've made bigger moves to stop him sooner, but they waited till now off all times because oh shit Kaido is gonna awaken him???

[robust dust]

Thank you

[halcyon tusk]

that and how Kaido should’ve had two “Joker”(s) in his deck as it were

[robust dust]

Maybe Kuzan is a yandere and doesn't care what happens to the world as long as Robins okay lmao

Do we know if Joyboy had a crew?

[halcyon tusk]

here’s a noodle-roaster, who takes over the Charlottes, Perospero the oldest or katakuri the most capable

[robust dust]

Maybe by trying to be a god like Nika and doing everything himself is what held him back, because Luffy accepts help when necessary he has been able to get this far even though he has the most ridiculous power in the world

[robust dust]

Well when you look at ambition Perosoero most definitely wants to step up next while I feel Katikuri just wants to be accepted and isn't keen on leading

[spark relic]

Katakuri ig

[halcyon tusk]

i think katakuri would end up with it be unanimous favor

[robust dust]

Just because you're strong doesn't make you a qualified leader, look at US presidents, they have all the power in a sense but they can't do anything too significant

[spark relic]

Perospero is quite powerful too

[halcyon tusk]

they can count on both of them when it matters, so it’s tough.. maybe joint leadership between the four oldest sons

[robust dust]

That I can get behind, or like Perospero has a more destructive ideal for the family and so Katakuri will have to step in even if he doesn't want to

[halcyon tusk]

katakuri is a natural born deterrent of war itself as far as most are concerned

[robust dust]

Yups so the only reason for conflict is if another family member intends to wage war, he can't stop his mom outta respect and maybe love but it won't be like that with his siblings

Maybe the family with sort of split up and do their own thing, I'm not sure how much of the family actually wants to be pirates/find the one piece

[halcyon tusk]

i still laugh at how jimbei sidelined katakuri nonchalantly like he wasn’t shit XD basically in his own house no less

[robust dust]

Pudding for example was being used this whole time and she most likely wasnt the only one, wouldn't be surprised to see a significant amount break off first

[halcyon tusk]

they all deserve the chance to live freely. through luffy katakuri has come to that realization. that’s gonna go along way with changing the default settings of his siblings.

he might have to show Oven the hands though. maybe daifuku too

perospero will hear what kata be sayin cause he know it’s bigg faxs

[robust dust]

I guess I always saw Perospero as a "bad guy" while Katakuri was good guy in a bad situation...I gotta revisit the scenes with Pero again

[halcyon tusk]

perospero is an opportunist

katakuri is more of a realist

[robust dust]

Interesting

[short kite]

YoOO Luffy

[robust dust]

So apparently there were 4 gods mentioned in sky peia, sun god, earth god, rain god, and forest god

Luffy is obviously the sun god
Dragon could be the Rain God
Green Bull Admiral could be forest god
And if the grandline isn't real then Imu or maybe someone else with WG is the Earth god

Thoughts?

[spark relic]

Dismissed

[halcyon tusk]

sorta feels convoluted

[spark relic]

I don't know who brought this theory of Gods

[halcyon tusk]

story mentions?

[spark relic]

No that was just the people of skypeia

[robust dust]

Story mentions the gods at least...

Alright it sounded interesting to me but ig not lmao

[halcyon tusk]

skypians worship older, ancient deities. a richer culture than most other places we’ve seen with the obvious exceptions such as Wano Kuni and such

[red nacelle]

I am thinking how all you tubers had theories of luffys fruit, awakening and gear 5 and basically almost all of them where correct

[spark relic]

The sun God was mentioned at least 3 times in the story... Elbaf, Fishman Island and wg so we know that is reasonable

[robust dust]

Yeah the amount of mythical Zoan theories is pretty crazy all considering, even if they leaned on Sun Wukong and not Nika

[halcyon tusk]

yeah everyone wins apart from those particularly butthurt few pouting cause they didn’t get what they want on some Obito shit

[red nacelle]

I am a subscriber to the "no other gods" theory

[robust dust]

Fair enough considering the facts it's considered the most ridiculous power in the world, but that doesn't exactly mean strongest

[halcyon tusk]

does what it says on the tin ….. literally

[red nacelle]

Theories on gigantification, nika zoan, full body haki, even resin ( i feel its just a more fluid form of rubber) sort of, awakening and turning the world to rubber etc

[halcyon tusk]

also wasn’t Nika technically only worshipped as a god? that’s doesn’t necessarily make one a God in the truest sense of the title

[red nacelle]

Everything is true

[blazing oracle]

Ussop is the God. People worship him

[robust dust]

I can honestly say I theorized myself that he would awaken and that would be gear 5, and that it wouldn't last long but he would train it eventually...I thought there would be more depth behind the awakening itself, he kind of just got knocked out big time, or ig reached his absolute limits, and I imagined he would do stuff like how he lifted the ground to deflect the blast, cuz I was basing it off Doflamingo, but I never saw Nika coming

[red nacelle]

A theory should have a basis in my opinion. There is no basis in this. No facts you can stand on. Basically every 4 person team found somewhere could be the four gods according to this

[robust dust]

Fair enough good sir, you can only stretch a theory so far but it's can be fun right ?

[halcyon tusk]

doesn’t matter the theory cause kuzan will always throw a monkey wrench in the grand scheme of everything cause literally wtf does he call himself doing currently

[red nacelle]

Also true! I believe his energy consumption and metabolism is huge in this form and thats why he became a dried old man. He is burning up all his energy literally. A similar yet much lighter situation was in wci where he wouldn't eat anything not made by sanji and after a day or so he was like this

[red nacelle]

Sure!

[halcyon tusk]

or simply over exerted his haki whilst also physically exhausted. it was his first time in the form after all

[robust dust]

Dude was literally dying in Impel Down, but was able to get back to 100% after an all you can eat buffet

[red nacelle]

Btw naming the awakening of his df "gear 5" is Luffy's way of saying it because he cannot understand it. He doesn't even know what fruit he ate

[robust dust]

I always thought the scene where he drinks milk to grow back a tooth was a joke but there's some stability there as well now lmao

[red nacelle]

He can eat while asleep so i believe we are safe. Just throw him in a sea of meat

[halcyon tusk]

na that’s just whackey nonsense lmaooo

[robust dust]

I like that idea

[halcyon tusk]

F I C T I O N has needed. ore emphasis than usual as of late

[red nacelle]

And it was delivered in the whackiest way possible

[halcyon tusk]

i feel like this should be a JoJo Stand

[red nacelle]

[halcyon tusk]

i can’t look at apoo without visualization of Zoro puttin in work on em

shoulda better known better. someone shoulda told em

[robust dust]

It be like that

Awakened Apoo would actually be cool, the entire would would be his instrument

You're looking a tall apartment building with windows, he's looking at a keyboard

[halcyon tusk]

yeah but if the opponent just happens to be deaf whatchu gonna do

[robust dust]

How many deaf opponents are actually out there? Sure we met one capable blind person but that's it

Same way Enel is OP vs anybody except Luffy, everything has a natural counter in a way but still

[red nacelle]

Just put some earplugs and you are ok

[muted ember]

Do y'all think Nika was an actual entity w Luffy's current powers? Or was the original joy boy just the first to eat the fruit?

[halcyon tusk]

the latter

[robust dust]

If he awakened his fruit, maybe he could manipulate the earphones in a Bluetooth sort of way...

Ear muffs

[halcyon tusk]

awakening: White Noise

[red nacelle]

By that logic every mythical being would have to be real at some point. Honestly I don't know. I bet we'll know after vegapunk explains everything to us

[halcyon tusk]

well mythical has to be taken at more than face value because it is more than initially meets the eye

[red nacelle]

Or if not vegapunk, the one piece itself. Everything is obviously connected...

[robust dust]

Obviously Joyboy ate the fruit, but hard to say he was the first, maybe there was once a giant who ate the fruit, thus the giant strawhat. maybe Nika wasn't actually a god as myths are often derived from truths, maybe Nika is the first user but back then no one understood devil fruits and such so they considered him a god

[hot crest]

oone of the best theories ever

[halcyon tusk]

plot twist and VP is just like “bruh i just work here”

[raw cobalt]

Go follow him on insta he has legit theories

[hot crest]

ok

[visual merlin]

After reading the actual chapter again, it doesn't seem like luffy recovered with g5 like spoilers implied, he's just sort of pushing himself harder to win

[spark relic]

The Lightning fruit was wasted on Enel and the Sand fruit was wasted in crocodile

[red nacelle]

I like that better, since even the "gods" in one piece are actually all humans. There is no actual deity shown

[robust dust]

Enel is supposed to come back so can you truly consider it wasted, as long as he's developing it on the moon

[halcyon tusk]

most myths are based off something that actually went down but people take liberties with their telling of the events

[red nacelle]

Why is he supposed to come back?

[spark relic]

I'd love to see return

[robust dust]

Apparently Oda said he would, I'm not a source guy so that's all I got

[muted ember]

So you're saying they named the fruit after him bc of the perception that he was a God? U think there was an actual person named Nika?

[red nacelle]

Oh! I dont remember it. I would like it. He would run scared away from luffy

[robust dust]

We've seen that he's still alive on the moon in one of the first page art with animals thingy

[spark relic]

If Enel knew buso Haki even if Luffy was a natural counter to him he would have beat the living hell out of Luffy

[robust dust]

I'm just saying it's possible man

[red nacelle]

True. But he didnt. And neither did Luffy

[halcyon tusk]

random::: finding myself really wanting to play in a D&D campaign outta nowhere.. would be cool tho

[muted ember]

All the cover stories become relevant to the main story eventually

[red nacelle]

Fair enough. But honestly i dont think he fits in to the story now

Unless the one piece is on the moon or something

[muted ember]

It doesn't have to be now. Wapol had a cover story pre-time skip and didn't return until the Reverie

[halcyon tusk]

yeah but we have Wapol metal now

[red nacelle]

Yes but he was on earth. Or what earth is called in one piece

[robust dust]

The moon could be relevant to the story in some way, who says Enel was the first to get there

[edgy viper]

I legit think Joyboy is the person who created the Nika fruit based on some ancient folklore, because he wanted to be just as free-spirited as the hero from the tale.
Not sure if he created the fruit itself or if he altered an existing Gomu Gomu no Mi, though.

[robust dust]

Yeah we gotta learn about the origins of the df

[red nacelle]

Man i think its too late in the story to do something more with aliens. Unless elbaf is involved with the moon

[halcyon tusk]

could only mean one thing.. Oda is shooting for 2,000 in which case we only just passed midway XD

[hot crest]

what of if luffy finds someone who ate the gomu gomu no mi in one piece wouuld luffy be questioning his fruit.

[red nacelle]

As long as he is healthy i am happy with that

[glass comet]

could be a god that turned into a DF way past void century and in that timeline there's a whole explanation of how DF are formed, what is the first one etc. Thats my theory

[halcyon tusk]

i’d rather him save his energy for a 1,000 plus chapter Prequel with Roger

[red nacelle]

He would have already been killed by the navy or wg that mistook him for Luffy

[muted ember]

The moon is definitely relevant and there's more than 1

[stable cloud]

I saw some theory a while ago that said Shanks is the son of Rocks. And his name is actually Shanks D. Xebec

[halcyon tusk]

i strongly believe he is

[gentle jackal]

ngl shanks could be a part villain

[halcyon tusk]

he never claimed to be a saint

[red nacelle]

Rocks D. Shanks you mean.

[halcyon tusk]

Shanks was just the name Roger gave em i bet

[gentle jackal]

like i feel like he only is helping luffy since he is the reincarnation of joyboy like althought he liked him before he only sacrificed his arm and stuff since he knew he was joyboy

[edgy viper]

What do you think about the Red Line = missing moons theory? We know the Red Line most likely predates the VC as the calendar switch from Age of Heaven to Age of Sea Circle occured before the VC.

[stable cloud]

And just like Ace, he doesn't like his old man or smth that's why he grew up in roger ship or smth like that.
That was pretty neat.

[red nacelle]

I like that. Because come on. Shanks is ok,but Buggy? What the hell kind of name is Buggy?

[halcyon tusk]

don’t yu dare slander the good name of Star Clown Buggy. he’s been the hands-on aid to mirror shanks’ hands off approach

[red nacelle]

Havent seen that. What year are we now?

[charred river]

Was kyros a devil fruit user?

[glass comet]

you mean shanks? I dont think so joyboy was the first to awaken nika fruit and it is really goofy as we have seen. I dont think he's called joyboy for nothing and as far as i know shanks is the least goofy character in one piece, he has a great image

[edgy viper]

We're around 1524 in the Age of the Sea Circle. Noland reached Shandora in 1122 of the Sea Circle and that was roughly 400 years + 2 years timeskip ago.

[gentle jackal]

yeah shanks thats tru though

[robust dust]

You ever think about how a single car crash or random anomaly could end one piece just like that....you can say the people closest to him might finish it like what they're gonna try with berserk but can you really accept that....sorry for being dark