manga-theories

[thick sky]

He just got immunity to certain kind of poisoning

[modest topaz]

Luffy is only resistant to some poisons not all of them

[livid shuttle]

Yup

[karmic token]

Maybe the gomu gomu no mi can hold other fruits powers

And awakening the fruit awakens those powers

[livid shuttle]

No

[faint dune]

the color of the substance that the monkey king was pointing at was yellow orange-ish, the same color of natural resin that is found on trees, now we have to see the colored to be sure it’s yellow but we can only assume since oda already gave us the most important hint, but the color of latex is literally white and more liquified than goey.

[modest topaz]

Resin have plenty of possibilities in real life that possibly can contain powers from other DF albeit their own versions, just my speculation

[livid shuttle]

There is nothing in the series to suggest such thing

[karmic token]

Maybe its as simple as Oda wanting to help parallel Luffy and Blackbeard

[livid shuttle]

But the thing is that nothing in the series suggests this being a possibility

[faint dune]

resin also contains oil, which would explain why luffy can generate fire under water, and it also fits the forced narrative of oil and water, imu and luffy in a nutshell.

[modest topaz]

The anime is completely illogical when it comes to DF

[pure raven]

Do yall think that the ope ope no mi would disappear or cease to exist after someone uses it to gift immortality?

[livid shuttle]

Not always

[karmic token]

Maybe it does, maybe the fact that luffy wasn't able to be harmed by normal punches at the beginning of the series was the hint

[livid shuttle]

And its just kinda wishful thinking that luffy’s fruit is not only resin but alot of other stuff

[livid shuttle]

Cus he is rubber so rubber absorbs and then redirects that hit according to anime logic

[karmic token]

Yes so he can absorb the effect of eating multiple devil fruits

And those powers lay dormant until awakening

[livid shuttle]

I think that is wishful thinking and that also makes luffy a little too overpowered

[karmic token]

Cuz think about it, luffy is dumb enough to eat another devil fruit without realizing it

[edgy viper]

What I meant is that Luffy changes trajectory by briefly "liquifying" his fist and then hardening it again
Partial awakening, you could say

What you are saying about the chemical properties of resin is definetly interesting, especially the juxtaposition of Imu/Water and Luffy/Oil

That's actually one of the best arguments in favor for Oil Oil no Mi I've seen so far

[livid shuttle]

Think about all the cool boosts oda has given luffy, like the gear 2, gear 3 and gear 4, they always have setbacks eventhough some arent visible to stop luffy from becoming too overpoweredd

[modest topaz]

wondering how Luffy can ignite his arm when he launches Red Hawk, even though he is fast in G2 and it is because of friction but everytime he punches its just a fast punch no friction happening, Luffy needs his DF to be flammable itself to get ignited easily with friction

[livid shuttle]

To me, it doesnt really make sense either that awakened resin/gomu fruit is just going to be 90 different fruits

[livid shuttle]

Tbh its either smthng to do with ace, haki or sanji leg type anime logic

[karmic token]

What if luffy just has oil in his pocket

[livid shuttle]

What if? I dont really think so buddy.

[karmic token]

Its a joke

[faint dune]

got it from yuderon he’s quite an insane theorist.

[livid shuttle]

Im gojng to be honest, luffy would have been destroyed by enel if it wasnt for anime logic lol

[modest topaz]

Electricity can emit heat and fire in real life but in One Piece just pure electricity to Luffy xD

[livid shuttle]

Ikr

Well not emit heat, techically the electric energy converts jnto heat energy i think

[abstract pond]

The link doesn't work for me.
It was a image of the tree?

[abstract pond]

How can Katakuri use burning mocchi attacks? And Sanji? Doflamingo?

And Kinnemon has foxfire style. There are many fire attacks in One Piece.

[coarse hinge]

If Luffy awakening contained oil than he should can swim on ocean since water & oil was opposite

[cyan sand]

oil and water dont mix but that doesn't mean he wouldn't sink, and it's still a devil fruit. I'm sure kizaru who is made of light can still drown

now that i think that out loud I recall hearing about imu's devil fruit being about water which would fit quite well with that theory

[coarse hinge]

This old theory now have more sense, they're opposite

[coarse hinge]

I mean like Aokiji, Luffy can shield himself from the oil

[cyan sand]

maybe, I don't really have much else to say about it

[rocky dock]

nami can make the clouds momo can use for holding up onigaishima

[swift patrol]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but during g3 we don't see luffy's arm/leg gradually increase in size, correct? The body part just enlarges, right?

[coarse hinge]

Yep only some part for temporary

[sullen patrol]

i thought of this funny thing that could happen on chapter 1044
at first joyboy wakes up and starts floating with glowing eyes lookin all cool and stuff and then the first thing he does is scratch his butt and says “YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS”

[foggy gulch]

Is there any theories about kaidou's awakening??

[coarse hinge]

It never gonna happens. Joyboy just a title, Luffy being himself not possessed mc like another

[nimble wagon]

the will D to oppose Imu, oil and water

[coarse hinge]

He already awakened. Just see his hybrid form in early it still looks human & only 2 fang but now he's become more like dragon his teeth now already sharp

[swift patrol]

We know zoan awakenings are just a boost to their physical abilities. the impel down guards are actually awakened zoans, so.

[coarse hinge]

Ya. Awakened zoan is more beast/animal looking

[foggy gulch]

But that's for regular Zoans mythical Zoans might be different

[swift patrol]

Arguably chopper awakened too, with the monster point mastery?

and robin as well, being able to replicate her entire body and becoming a demon, I'd say that's her awakening

[coarse hinge]

It's still same. Mythical Zoan being different with another type of Zoan due boost external abilities

Natural rubber being Special Logia will be cool

[foggy gulch]

The last 2 villains showed of there awakenings it would be kinda lazy for oda to say "kaidou was awakened" after the battles ends in Q&As

[swift patrol]

Yeah but zoans awakenings are not flashy. They just boost their physical attributes, which could explain why kaido is so strong/resistant

[solemn holly]

Cause anime that’s why

[coarse hinge]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/03/08/kaido-has-already-shown-us-what-his-awakened-hybrid-form-looks-like/
This quite make sense due the typical characteristic

[solemn holly]

Some of y’all think too hard about things in a series made for young boys lol

[swift patrol]

The way katakuri's fire attacks work is different than luffy's as well. We see katakuri's arm catching fire slowly, luffy's just does

[fathom matrix]

I think Katakuri builds up pressure inside the arm, has it explode and launches it like a rocket, instead of using friction/speed like luffy does

[swift patrol]

Katakuri's and sanji's use friction. Luffy's doesn't. Simple explanation is how the attack works and how quickly it happens. As soon as the arm is stretched back it catches fire, all at the same time, no delay. Besides, luffy has thor attacks as well, and the thor elephant gun and red roc have the same setup, but cause two different effects, so it can't be friction

[abstract pond]

Point was that you don't need a fire based devil fruit to make fire attacks. Like Maes said, it's anime logic.

[fathom matrix]

yeah, plus if you made too much sense out of something it takes the fun out of it sometimes. It's fun to think about and needs some logic, but not so much so it causes an uproar

[swift patrol]

Yeah, but also it's a different kid of fire attacks. Yeah it's anime logic, but at the same time there's consistency in how it works, so we can use it to differentiate between friction fire and devil fruit ability fire

[coarse hinge]

Anime doesn't really need logic at all, just enjoy. Don't bring too seriously

[swift patrol]

yeah but also it's kinda fun to speculate right? We've got time to kill anyways, might as well look for clues and consistencies. Every good story has foreshadowing in some form, besides it makes the payoff even more surprising imo (especially when you thought you cracked it and then it turns out to be wrong )

[hot cypress]

wow

[fathom matrix]

This is what I think is going to happen.

In the cover story, it reveals Black Beard is going to attack whole cake island, and during this attack, Pudding frees Sanji's brothers, stating that Sanji's efforts to save them would have gone to waste if they ended up dying.

Blackbeard's crew destroys parts of the island, captures people, takes them as hostages, and Katakuri fights BB. But Black Beard wins, they take the ponoglyth.

Sanji's brothers do manage to escape, but as a "thanks" only because Pudding saved them, fight off some black beard pirates along the way. Judge does return to whole cake for his sons, only to see BB's there.

A lot of people died, half of whole cake is in ruins, Katakuri's critically injured, the BM pirates let the Germa go because A. they don't have the strength or will to capture then, and B. they unintentionally helped fight off black beard.

[sharp anvil]

Can't be forgetting this

That's the only foreshadow I need lol

[abstract pond]

Did we learn which sword was that already?

[sharp anvil]

I don't think so

At this rate it was probably Joy Boys and he used it to cut down trees

[swift patrol]

👀 luffy becomes a swordsman? Shadow luffy foreshadow?

[civic rock]

LOL. 😂

[native turret]

half true

[solemn holly]

Young boys and girls?

Shonen translated to English does mean boy/youth

[swift patrol]

Sure, but it's still a story, and it has foreshadowing. Besides, it might be a shonen manga, but it does tackle more mature themes

[native turret]

not what I meant

[solemn holly]

I love theorizing and I obviously love one piece. But sometimes people are a little too critical about things. Take an ego check and realize it is just a story for young lads at the end of the day. Powers and cool things will just exist

So yes. Katakuri can use burning mochi because it’s cool. That’s simply it.

[native turret]

nah theres good theorizing in here a lot just not rn cuz the series is so hyped up theres so much random low teir discussion

either way this isnt theorizing talk so id move to manga or something

[feral tapir]

Okay guys I think the Momonosuke is gonna fight kaido next and hold him off for some time that way he can have his moment of bravery and if yamato and momonosuke fought together it would be really cool

[solemn holly]

People used to grill Oda for the whole sanji can make fire on his leg. I wonder if he always knew about the germa powers or what. But see at the end of the day everything comes full circle and there’s an explanation for everything

[fathom gazelle]

Guys I have a theory about buggy. There is no way in hell that he is as weak as he seems. Take into account that him and shanks were a team back in the day and he was part of roger's crew which means he was able to fight toe to toe vs whitebeards crew for example. Think about it hes a clown/joker which leads me to believe that he might be trolling everyone into thinking he's weak so he doesn't attract attention from the world government just until the end, when the final war will happen. All this time him trying to kill luffy etc. has been a way for him to test luffy to see if he is "joyboy".

[solemn holly]

I mean he fights mihawk and isn’t defeated lol

[coarse hinge]

It might be still possible, since Luffy when he was kid using a pipe & imagine himself held a sword

[fathom gazelle]

exactly lol

[solemn holly]

I’d love to see at least a shanks / buggy reunion

[feral tapir]

Nah buggy is just him, he's weak not that weak but he just is

[swift patrol]

That would be cool, but idk. Might be out of place for luffy...although we have seen him use a sword already, so idk. I really hope nightmare luffy comes back in some form, it was super cool

[swift patrol]

Buggy is not weak by any stretch of the imagination. A man strong enough to be on roger's ship is not weak, he's just lazy

[coarse hinge]

But I see it just don't suite him for now

[feral tapir]

He was a child you think roger can see the future he just saved him like blackbeard

[swift patrol]

What does that mean? 1) yeah roger probably had future sight and coud hear the voice of all things
2) all the roger pirates are monsters.

Reminder that buggy fought with shanks against whitebeard pirates. Sure he didn't duke it out with marco&co, but again he was just a child. Like please.

Let's not pretend roger would just pick up trash. Yeah he saved him, but he also kept him on board and didn't drop him off somewhere. Roger is still a pirate, he wouldn't keep a weak person around just because.

[coarse hinge]

Buggy's awakening would be creepy as heck like Gildart 😂

[swift patrol]

is buggy lazy? Absolutely. Is he as strong as he could be? No, because he doesn't train. But he's not weak, nor a scrub. I wish he trained, and I wish oda shows us peak buggy at some point. Joke character or not he still was in roger's crew, he has to live up to the name

[feral tapir]

Roger picked up blackbeard to save him do you think he's just going around recruiting children to make them strong no they become strong cause they're with them

[swift patrol]

So you agree with me that buggy is strong because he was on roger's crew, thanks

[feral tapir]

buggy eventually left so he was not with them so he didn't get chance to get strong

[coarse hinge]

Don't overthinking about Buggy, just wait the next Oda troll for him

[vestal orbit]

When did Roger pick up blackbeard

[feral tapir]

The crew disbanded before anything could happen

[fathom gazelle]

Bro buggy after escaping impel down and the prisoners asking him if it was true he was part of the roger pirates and a brother of shanks after it was revealed to them. He said to himself "Damn, if word gets around, the government will keep an eye on me" This shows he has always tried to remain incognito inorder to not reveal his true power

[serene plume]

Buggy gonna come in clutch to save sabo

[swift patrol]

Bro. Buggy and shanks fought against the whitebeard pirates. We saw it in an Oden flashback. So please. You can argue buggy is lazy, yeah he is. Is he top 10? Fuck no, not until he decides to train. But let's not pretend buggy was just along for the ride. Like, come on. Buggy is a lot like usopp to me, held back by his own cowardice/self doubt/laziness.

[feral tapir]

Or he's not strong enough to deal with the powerful world government

[thick sky]

@analog crypt here

[obsidian ridge]

Comparison between Ussop & Buggy is a good example, both enjoy free followers and some aspects of their character are more or less similar.

[swift patrol]

I honestly believe usopp has all the qualities to awaken conqueror's. No joke, I just think he does. He has the drive, the ambition, but so far lacks courage and doesn't believe in himself. But once he overcomes that, which I hope happens in elbaf, I can see him having conqueror's

[lean steeple]

U have manga theory @swift patrol ?

[swift patrol]

Would also make sense for the three OGs to have conquerors. Luffy, zoro and usopp where the original trio

[fathom gazelle]

@swift patrol what type of king would usopp be though

sniper king?

[swift patrol]

The king of lies but seriously, so far his lies turned out true, and he lied about using conqueror's. So keeping with the theme, yeah. And yeah sniper king maybe? Or king of the giants

I can see him being the true captain of the grand fleet and the giants, sort of a roundabout way to achieve his lie of "I command a big pirate crew" he said way back when we first met him

[fathom gazelle]

It's plausible i guess

[serene plume]

I think Usopp will be the leader of luffys grand fleet

Luffy doesn’t want to lead or is the type to command soldiers but usopp is

[swift patrol]

Yeah

That would also close the circle. Luffy has conqueror's mastery, zoro has armament and usopp has sight

I'm also very curious about the Ashura. Any theories on that?

[uncut trail]

i think zoro is fighting against death unconsciously, but since franky moved him, i bet he's lost now .. gonna take a while for his soul to return 😂

[restive mirage]

i think zoro is dead

[rain shadow]

Why do people find it so hard to believe that rocks has a right hand who hasn't been revealed in the story yet

[uncut trail]

that's it?

[rain shadow]

You throw them with all the evidence in the world and they keep saying it's shiki or wb lmao

[modest skiff]

This isn’t really the channel to vent about conversations. Rather than this, perhaps just post whatever theory you’re talking about and discuss it

[rain shadow]

Yeah your right bro one sec

[rough violet]

nah he wont die until he becomes the best swordsmen and another reason to keep him alive will be that fans love him op popularity will go very low if he dies, like law didnt have an important role in the story originally but he made a lot of fans so his role was made important

@rain shadow C3H8

[swift patrol]

the strongest swordsman in one piece is clearly down d. stairs

[serene plume]

Do you guys think kuina is still alive? Cause dragons ship was there when she “died” and if she is died why was dragon there then?

[rain shadow]

Theory: Rocks right hand is currently in impel down.

I believe that the right hand of rocks is the father of Portgas D. Rouge. Aka ace real grandpa.

Hakuba and shiryuu are the most blood thirsty we have in one piece to date. They both have white in their names. White dragon and white horse.

I believe the colour white is a reference to the fact that their blood lust is transparent at all times

Rouge means red in French. I believe the significance behind this naming is that her father is obsessed with the colour red and has extremely high blood lust.

I believe that the rocks crew is paralleled with the strawhats and just like luffys right hand will be the world's strongest swordsman.

I believe while shiryuu was in impel down he was trained by this guy.

This puts zoro and shiryuu on the same playing field as they were both trained by the world's best

[serene plume]

Interesting

[rain shadow]

Another thing. I believe this guy created the crimson hell in level 1

[rough violet]

i believe that is fujitora as there is no proof of him being a navy officer plus he's old and blinded himself because he saw something he shouldn't that may be something from when he was a member of rocks

[serene plume]

Could be because we don’t know why shiryuu got locked up

So he could of been getting trained by a rocks right hand

I think fujitora and akiuno are related

[fathom gazelle]

I really want to see the battle between rocks and garp + roger

[serene plume]

I would rather see shanks vs mehawk

[rough violet]

ooh and we already know from the anime opening that we will know about rocks more in the few coming xhapters

[serene plume]

Really? What was the opening?

Maybe we might get a kaido flash back once he sees luffy is joyboyb

[rain shadow]

Another thing.
I believe this guy is an obstetrician and helped big mom with her multiple pregnancies while on the rocks crew.

I believe he created the crimson hell via a blood fruit.
As a user of a blood fruit I believe he is an exceptional doctor.

For woman white blood cells are essential for child birth. And most woman who die from child birth die because of blood loss.

Think about the irony. A blood fruit user who is a genius obstetrician doctor of child birth had his own daughter die via blood loss because he was not there

[rough violet]

they showed roger, WB then a figure like rocks face which they did not reveal fully it was dark and then shanks

[serene plume]

Old shanks or baby shanks

[rough violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLQKbn6GPU

[rain shadow]

Rouges father is a genius obstetrician who possesses a blood logia. Which essentially makes him a god of child birth. He helped big mom give birth to a large amount of her kids on the rocks pirates

Yet he was unable to save his own daughter of blood loss

The irony is perfect

[rough violet]

there was no Wb

[serene plume]

I see what you mean

I really think we will get a kadio flash back now

[amber oar]

but this is not theory, this is essentially fanfiction

bringing random stuff and random connections without the slightest hint, all coming from your head, isn't a theory

[rough violet]

he was a member of rocks pirates so maybe yes @serene plume

[rough violet]

my theory about fujitora being on rocks ship is more convincing

[south verge]

Akainu has absolute justice, you think he's gonna accept former pirates?

[serene plume]

Unless it’s his brother

[sand sail]

Yes

[serene plume]

They have a lot of similarities

[solar knoll]

Lol so does Kizaru

[amber oar]

we do know Issho was drafted during the timeskip and fast-tracked to admirald due to his strength yeah, he wasn't a marine even 2 years ago.

but there's nothing about being part of Rocks, and he was just 16 by God Valley's accident. We do know Kaido was in Rocks as young as 15, so it's not impossible Issho was an apprentice there in the last year, but among all the fucked up things that happen in OP's world, that what Fujitora saw is specifically related to Rocks, is... weak to say the least.

So no, it's not really much more convincing

[rough violet]

if the gorosei wants him he cant refuse them and we already know by shanks meeting the gorosei that they can have connections with pirates

[pure raven]

i think ace is gay because he banged kaido while he was asleep

[solar knoll]

A gay would know what a gay thinks

[pure raven]

hell yeaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rough violet]

hmm what if he was just on the ship but was not doing much like kaido BM and WB

[amber oar]

this channel isn't for retarded jokes

[pure raven]

that's not a joke

this is real, my friend told me

[south verge]

I think it's too stretched to call Issho as former pirates let alone Akainu's brother.

Akainu even willing to kill a whole ship of civilians just because Nico Robin is on the ship.

[sand sail]

You say that like Nico Robin wasn't one of the most important criminals in the world at the time that he did that, though

Akainu doesn't just casually slaughter

[south verge]

I realized that, and that kinda contradict with him accepting former pirates as an Admiral dont you think?

I mean he absolutely despise anything that had to do with criminals

[sand sail]

Not at all, a former pirate with relatively low renown getting drafted into the marines because he's super powerful and willing to fight for them makes perfect sense

[serene plume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/b1cp5b/fujitora_and_akainu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[sand sail]

He doesn't absolutely despise anything to do with criminals, he goes after the particularly noteworthy ones

He hated Luffy and Ace because they were the offspring of the worst criminals in known history so far, not because they were just pirates. He didn't go out of his way to kill any of the other thousands of pirates at Marineford, and he approved of the warlord system and wished it didn't get disbanded

[serene plume]

There is some sort of past with akainu and fujitora tho maybe not brothers but something

[sand sail]

Now don't get me wrong, he's absolutely tenacious and extreme in his thinking, but the fandom really likes to make him out like he's a less composed Lucci when he wasn't even unique in his attitude among the marines at all

[south verge]

Unless Issho started out from Marine(like X Drake) I don't see that particular scenario is happening

[sand sail]

Drake's never actually been a pirate

[plush fiber]

what if luffy's vivre card is burning rn

[polar shell]

o ye i remember

[serene plume]

That’s what I was thinking plus it has been probably burning and regrowing a lot lately

Then they will inform luffy about sabo

[plush fiber]

that'd be epic

[polar shell]

i dont think all vivere cards burn i tink i depends on who it is

[serene plume]

And help him escape from the Marnies out side wano

[serene plume]

If they are gonna die it lose paper like aces Did

[sharp anvil]

you guys are more friendly than when i brought up the vivre cards now... I got told if he died it burned up for good and they wouldn't know how to get there

but if that happened it had to be doing some crazy shit before that

[serene plume]

Yea but it can re grow

[polar shell]

it might start to just shrink because luffy stretches

[plush fiber]

luffys awakening(?) + joyboy reveal + coming of the grandfleet, nothings more exciting than that

[amber oar]

I mean, technically he was, before the Corazón incident. But by force, like Koby
I guess the Marines have some criteria to accept youngsters who were forced into pirate crews. Plus that may have something to do with their SWORD recruitment - they learned about piracy from the inside

[serene plume]

Look at aces paper for example. He wasn’t dead but he was hurt and week which made it burn and why would sabo grab a bad v card that only tells him where he is. He would get one to see who he is doing in health and other stuff

[pallid kite]

Just saying. If next chapter becomes another flashback, there’s going to be so much rage from fans.

[serene plume]

Yea I don’t want to wait 1-3 months before we see the truth about luffy

[south verge]

As far as I remember, there's no record of vivre card growing, only burning a bit when the user is hurt and all of it when the designated user is died.

[serene plume]

@south verge

[south verge]

Oh to original size

I thought you meant getting bigger

[sand sail]

True, but I meant after he went to the marines lol

[serene plume]

No, I probably worded it bad but like luffy took a lot of damage from kadio(burning his card) then get some or a lot of strength back ( regrowing fully or some to its natural size) and over and over again

@south verge

[whole prairie]

That would be awesome

Also when you think about it, when the world government ordered cp0 to kill luffy, did they want to awaken joy boy?

[river pivot]

I don't think luffys death is necessary for this to happen we seen ace card reaction even when he was yet to die the same thing would have been already happened with luffys vivre card

[serene plume]

I think shanks told the wg that luffy has the fruit that joyboy had but since luffy used it very different the wg didn’t regoninze it. So once they found out luffy had that fruit it meant he could do something that only that fruit can do with its awakening so they wanted to kill him before it’s to late

But In trying to kill him it awaken

[whole prairie]

Oh ur right i remember that one shanks scene

[serene plume]

Shanks knows a lot about that fruit and how to awaken it so maybe he did it on purpose to awaken it I’m really not sure what shanks motives are

[zealous sundial]

hey so I'm new here can we discuss possible oda foreshadowing in this channel. its related to the events of the latest chapter

[serene plume]

Sure

[zealous sundial]

This is from chapter 968. So it seems that there is in fact a very high chance that Luffy liberates Wano and opens the country up alongside momonosuke

[swift patrol]

Theory/Question. Or more like observation, I think. Do the drugs on fishman island have the same effect gear 2 has? Making you faster and stronger, or am i misremembering?

[rigid compass]

the steroid drugs makes you as strong as 1000 men.

[serene plume]

I’m not really sure I think they use a lot of energy and make you age that’s why all the fish man are old

[rigid compass]

the more you eat, the more power you gain, but i think there is a limit and the sideeffect is old age

[swift patrol]

Because like, here's the thing. We've seen hody ingest the drugs and become faster, right? He was able to keep up with shiraoshi after all. But why didn't he start to steam? If pumping your blood faster/stronger makes you overheat and steam, why didn't he?

[rigid compass]

that would be epic, if the whole fleet arrives 😄

[obsidian ridge]

Wow, so much entertainment 😆

[strong ibex]

I don’t think so. Why would Shanks set up Luffy to be killed by the WG?

[unique isle]

akainku devil fruit can make islands

[faint plinth]

Never have I wanted spoilers more

[faint plinth]

So can whitebeard’s

[sly panther]

so you know how oda supposedly had a plan for one piece, that would last a couple years, and then not too far in when he realized he had a hit expanded his course and quickly landed at the ~20-25 year estimate he's mostly stuck to

I have some thoughts about early chapters, in the scope of his original plan, that still hold up with my current endgame theories

I think, from the beginning, Shanks has been intended to be an endgame antagonist... and that religion (notably Christianity) has been a core theme

which sounds silly but like, hear me out

Chapter 1, our protagonist is being watched over by this cool adult he looks up to, with his own band of followers, as he allows himself to get beat up by an onlooker without fighting back. not only does he watch on and get upset with him, not understanding this peaceful approach, but also ends up eating a forbidden fruit (...quite literally, a devil fruit), marking him with a curse. by the end of this chapter, he sees Shanks in a better light, fighting back to defend others, and even sacrifices himself for the cursed child, all before departing with a promise to return in the future. With how we still haven't seen Shanks and Luffy reunite since, it feels safe to say his return is being saved for the endgame... and that he was never intended to be a mentor, but rather an antagonist. In this context, Shanks is a Christlike figure, Luffy a (cursed) human. this is all symbolism being used before Joyboy was ever part of Oda's plan, and the 'ending he envisioned since before chapter 1' involves the clash of these two.

soon after we see the marines, who are the lawful group meant to contrast against the chaos of pirates. the first notable ones we meet are Coby, a child who wants to do good for the world, and Ax-hand Morgan, a corrupt official ruling his men through fear. This isn't to show that the Marines are evil, just fallible

and then with the introduction of Joyboy to the mix, and then much later showing us Imu, I believe those to be the Devil/God parallels in this mix. Imu presides unseen over a heavenly kingdom, his closest residents untouched by man, and Shanks is... well his right hand...

the original idea was probably to have a human explore the evils among law and chaos alike, to show that being good comes from what's inside, not from which path you choose, and this was expanded upon by building up forces on both sides later on.

I think both Luffy's and Blackbeard's fruits contain halves of Joy Boy, with their initial introduction showing them to be polar opposites, and Luffy remaining eerily silent while Blackbeard gave what should've been an agreeable speech on dreams. Even now, the reader doesn't really know why Luffy was put off by that speech, just that he made a comment afterwards that 'there was more than one'

So I think the Marines represent the church, Pirates represent free-spirited individuals, and the Revolutionary Army represent fallen angels, led by a Lunarian

We know that we have races that come from the moon, with sky people... and also Lunarians, a now-extinct race with a name that would imply they're from the moon, but it's stated they're from the Red Line. They're also the only other race that's humanoid with wings, though theirs are black instead of white.

and their bodies are capable of producing flame

this only furthers my idea that this reshaped world consists of a Red Line that was pulled from the moon itself, while that great ship Noah was likely used during the void century to flood the planet

Not much is known of Dragon, and I think that's absolutely intentional. but black wings would fit one named Dragon (possibly had and removed), his facial tattoos resemble the Shandians we saw on Sky Island (a second group of Sky People), and that he rules over the Revolutionary Army, which aims to unmask the schemes and secrets of the World Government

so yeah,
Joy Boy (Devil)
Dragon (High ranking Demon)
Imu (God)
Shanks (Jesus)
Garp (High ranking Angel)
Luffy (Mankind)

it almost feels like a shitpost but this symbolism like... actually works, both in the scope of the first chapter and the whole series

oh idc about that, I was typing a lot

oh but also yeah I think Dragon and Garp represent opposing philosophies, potential paths Luffy could take, but he's not going to want to take either

[serene plume]

That’s a lot to take in

[sly panther]

i think cheese theory holds up tbh

but yeah this current theory's has to do with others I've posted, both here and on reddit

[serene plume]

I could’ve missed it but how is shanks Jesus?

[sly panther]

so some parts I kinda just glossed over, like Shanks being not just a spy but like, literally an extension of Imu's will, controlling the world in ways that Imu himself couldn't

[serene plume]

So shank is on a mission from imu?

[sly panther]

well in Chapter 1, his behavior is pretty Christlike. shown to turn the other cheek, leaving with a promise to one day return. Then later in the paramount war, looking back, his actions benefited the WG far more than anyone else. (negotiations with Whitebeard failed, they parted ways, Shanks apparently held off Kaido then only appeared after both Whitebeard and Ace fell to 'put an end to things,' preventing any major marine losses or secrets from getting out)

oh, and the whole 'him appearing in Marijoa before the Five Elders' thing

all of those kinda come together to paint a picture, for me

in fact the only secrets that got let out were ones that made the pirates look worse, and showed that the WG was powerful enough to not just take down the Pirate King, but to discover and execute his son

[tame mirage]

WG op makes sense

[serene plume]

Yea but why would shanks steal the df that he gave to luffy from the wg if he was with them?

[tame mirage]

Shanks being evil would ruin 20 years of the anime ngl idk a single soul whod be happy if he turned out bad lmao

[sly panther]

oh I'm not saying WG isn't strong, just that Shanks appearing wasn't really 'heroic.' he put an end to the fighting, but I believe he waited until those deaths, not that he didn't make it in time.

[serene plume]

Yea that might of been odas original plan but it would back fire and get shit on if shanks is bad

[tame mirage]

for 20 years we see shanks like at best once every 5 years make a rare appearance and his still so beloved by the fanbase then boom surprise he bad 💀

It’s not gonna go well trust me

[sly panther]

I'm not saying he's evil, just that he's always had another agenda
With all these secrets the WG's hiding, you don't think we'll have one villain who believes that 'ignorance is bliss' might be the morally just approach?

[tame mirage]

His arrival time is sus too but it is a story so ig we could just sun it up to these sorts of things are intentional by Oda

[tame mirage]

Ah okay if it’s this it’s basically shanks has secrets guy then I agree ofc shanks has secrets he so bloody mysterious , lately@tho all I see is shanks is evil bad guy theories

[sly panther]

I might be forgetting details that contradict this, but could Shanks not have been retrieving the fruit to bring to Marijoa?

[serene plume]

Shank definitely has his on motives. If that’s to make joy boy fulfill rogers wish or help luffy

[fringe hinge]

finaly battle shanks vs luffy

[tame mirage]

Nah since they attacked the marine ship it was already heading somewhere WG intended (my guess to Marie jois)

[sly panther]

I'm not saying 'Shanks is evil and will start stabbing people,' but I wouldn't be shocked if we get 'Shanks won't let Luffy pass, because the world would be better off not knowing'

[serene plume]

It was l going there anyways by who’s who which was a cp members

[tame mirage]

lol idk tbh he sacrificed an arm for Luffy in certain if shanks knew and he does know that Luffy will make a change he won’t stop him regardless of it’s impacts

Maybe he will stop him temporarily as a test to see if he is up to it so you’re right in a sense

[sly panther]

true, but even early on we were shown that the WG is fallible. Imu having a right hand that acts as a pirate, walking among man, being able to break laws to do what's right, makes sense. Imu might've decided they don't trust that the fruit would absolutely have made it without someone stealing it for themselves, and had Shanks retrieve it

[tame mirage]

This is assuming shanks is working for Imu which tbh is already a Stretch

[sly panther]

I mean, Shanks has been an emperor for a long while now. Do we really think Oda wasn't planning anything by that? That Luffy will finally meet him, and just give him a pat on the back and say 'hey, you made it!'

[tame mirage]

Personally I’m of the opinion shanks doesn’t even know Imu exists and that he merely thinks the gorosei are the toppest dogs

Top dogs* lol

[sly panther]

whether he has seen Imu face to face or not, I still think it's odd that Shanks was there at all

[serene plume]

Maybe but roger might off told him

[tame mirage]

Not rlly if you think about it , Shanks knew about BB he was there to warn them about him imo (80% sure), second point shanks is an emperor who is known for being rational so it’s not crazy for the gorosei to agree to meet him t see what he wants to talk about, third point I believe the gorosei are indeed strong and so are not frightened to meet him.

[fringe hinge]

what if shanks is imu's son 🤔

[tame mirage]

Same issue, idk if Roger even knew Imu exists….

[serene plume]

He had to

[sly panther]

...oh, and yeah another theory about Shanks being a plant

Shanks was formerly in Roger's crew, who made it to Laugh Tale. Roger then shortly fell under 'an incurable illness' and brought himself to be executed in front of an audience.

[tame mirage]

Why?

[sly panther]

I believe Shanks poisoned Roger
it holds up with everything else

[fringe hinge]

bro u devil or what

[serene plume]

He knew joyboy did and joyboy and imu I’m pretty sure we’re the main people of the void century

[fringe hinge]

i love shanks why u making him the villain

[tame mirage]

He surrendered, I doubt at the time young shanks could’ve managed to poison Roger given the reasonably assumed strength and haki of his crew members

[sly panther]

villains are often some of the best characters
and again, I'm not saying shanks is psycho 'stab people for fun' villain, but if anything very well could be a 'do what's right, no matter the cost' type.

[tame mirage]

Also do we know for how many years exactly was shanks in Rogers crew?

[sly panther]

Shanks might be doing what he firmly believes is the 'right' thing to do. poisoning roger for discovering secrets man isn't meant to know, arriving late to the paramount war to ensure the deaths of whitebeard and ace, while keeping up appearances.

[serene plume]

We’re not sure but we can aussme since he was 1-2 years old and was picked up at the god valley incident

[sly panther]

...picked up at god valley huh

[serene plume]

Man I think your going way to far with shanks being the bad guy

[tame mirage]

Lol he only learnt about joyboy after already crossing the grand line once, what makes you think he knew about Imu before that or even learnt it somewhere after he learnt about joyboy?

[sly panther]

can you think of a single thing that actually contradicts this, or is it just 'I don't want shanks to be bad :('

if Shanks' role in the story hasn't been an eventual antagonist, then what is he? He surely hasn't been there as a mentor in any way

[tame mirage]

Isnt this a theory he joined after god valley? Not confirmed or canon so can’t be certain

[serene plume]

He went to laugh tale which told the whole story of the void century which I think joyboy and imu were the 2 leaders

[serene plume]

It’s a theory

[sly panther]

if he would've died to inspire luffy, that would've been a while ago. The only thing that has me really curious is how the next film is supposedly about him, which feels weird that they'd do that when Luffy and Shanks haven't actually seen each other since chapter 1

[tame mirage]

Filler film

[sly panther]

ahhh gotcha, still tho

I hope the film does something weird and we learn like, what Shanks did for these people, and half the film shows him doing good for the people in the past and half the film's about the straw hats being there in the present day

I don't want Shanks and Luffy to finally reunite after 25 years in a filler film

[tame mirage]

They won’t dw That would be the dumbest thing ever for the movie writers or Oda to allow

[serene plume]

No, but saying he was poisoned roger even tho shanks cried right in front of roger and was crying at the execution

[sly panther]

because Shanks is a human, with a heart. if he did poison Roger, he would've done so because he knew it was the right thing to do, even if it hurt him to do so.

[tame mirage]

Bruh based on everything we’ve seen shanks do so far in the story nothing points to him being that type of person…

[sly panther]

we've literally seen him for a few scenes, and all of those few scenes work with what I typed

[tame mirage]

if anything it’s literally anti-shanks, some BB x Shanks mash up

[sly panther]

it is just a theory, after all

[serene plume]

What do you think he told the 5 elders then?

[tame mirage]

We already got the backstab pretends to be good but is evil character (BB) I doubt Oda will do it again

[tame mirage]

Obvious, he warned them about BB just like how he did to Whitebeard

[sly panther]

Blackbeard killed another out of a selfish desire for power. If Shanks did backstab anyone, I believe it was because he was following orders from another, which is an entirely different character dynamic

[twin plover]

yeah nothing at all points to some shanks plot twist. him speaking with the 5 elders is not inconsistent with any of his past behavior.

[tame mirage]

Again shanks has been written in a way where he would never do that lol it would be shit writing for Oda to make shanks do that the fandom would be in an uproar

How do people read and watch one piece for 25 years and go yeah shanks is the type of person who would do something objectively bad just cause someone ordered him to

[sly panther]

I mean I believe both the Gomu Gomu and Yami Yami are mirror images of each other, and the 'name hidden from books' is Luffy's, between the two. Shanks may have finally told them about Luffy, after he made a big enough name to become an Emperor himself, or it might've been Blackbeard again.

[twin plover]

it's the same as when he went to speak to whitebeard - he just wanted to prevent a war. and we've also seen that pirates team up with their 'enemies' to face bigger threats, like when roger worked with the marines to take down rocks.

[sly panther]

you keep saying 'how do people think this' when I literally laid out why this could be possible

[tame mirage]

He does not give off “good soldiers follow orders” vibes that is something for the marines and akainu

[sly panther]

do you have anything that contradicts this or just 'he's nice i don't think he would do that :('

[twin plover]

it's much more likely that to shanks, the bigger enemy is wanton and reckless death

[tame mirage]

“He’s nice and wouldn’t do that is from the story the actual manga meanwhile ur stuff is potential headcannon so who is reaching more here? Me or you with the rubber stretching

[sly panther]

ah! Akainu represents blind loyalty, doing what's asked without asking questions. hesitation is weakness, and evil.

That isn't Shanks.

Shanks is human, and has been told the 'just' path to take. He's nice to all, helps others, because as I said before: the Marines aren't meant to be evil, they're meant to be fallible. Shanks upholds the justice that they're meant to bring to the world, and I believe his role in the story is to protect the WG from having their secrets exposed, because 'ignorance is bliss'

[twin plover]

and he is likely talking to the 5 elders about blackbeard, because he sees the same psychopathic killing behavior that rocks exhibited.

[icy willow]

i dont think you understand who has the burden of proof.

[sly panther]

I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm tossing out a theory as to why something could happen. so yeah, people saying 'this cannot happen because... it doesn't feel right' doesn't feel like it's contributing to anything

[icy willow]

it is just highly implausible and unlikely based on what we know about Shanks

[sly panther]

if you want to say why it wouldn't work, I'm all ears. I'm speculating, theorizing, and like I feel good about it but I'm not saying I snuck into Oda's office or anything, this is jus thow I've interpreted it

[stone needle]

One thing I've noticed has been lacking in this discussion is the fact that we've been introduced to "reincarnation" explicitly in the story already, along with approximately what nature it takes. I'm referring to Shirahoshi, the "reincarnation" of poseidon. The "awakening" associated with this reincarnation occurred when shirahoshi was a child, at which point she managed to command the sea kings. However even a decade later she did not become a different person, and is even unaware that the awakening happened. Now luffy has been confirmed as the "reincarnation" of joyboy/nika, probably the second sovereign (though of course oda could be trolling everyone, I will assume this is the case verbatim). Being the second sovereign, why should his reincarnation have a totally different character from shirahoshi's? I find it safe to assume they are the same kind of reincarnation. In this case what does that mean?

Firstly, shirahoshi does not possess any memories from the previous poseidon. I don't know if her personality is similar, but from what little we know, the previous poseidon does not seem like a cowardly character (being classified as an "ancient weapon" and playing a part in the war). So seemingly reincarnation does not mean a literal reincarnation, transfer of skills, personality, purpose etc. The only indication we have so far is that shirahoshi has inherited a power, or a function which she may/should perform. This is maybe a little on the edge, but certainly it is consistent with inherited will. The power is analogous to an object passed down from a previous generation, if you prefer.

Secondly, about luffy. We do know that luffy is reminiscent of joyboy, but very importantly these traits were luffy's before his awakening (zuneshia did not detect joyboy in luffy when he visited). Along with the comments by the gorosei about how rare it is for the fruit to awaken (well, this would be the first time since the void century), maybe this simply means that luffy inherits a specific function in the form of his awakened devil fruit power, which would not awaken for anyone who did not already possess joyboy's likeness.

To summarize, I believe reincarnation in one piece is essentially exactly the same as the passing down of the hat. Joyboy and poseidon passed down their proverbial hats a long time ago and they were inherited by luffy and shirahoshi without them knowing, in the form of some tool which could help them fulfill joyboy and poseidon's wills. Note that in both cases these tools are in a sense physical. Shirahoshi's power had been passed down from generation to generation in the royal family until the rare case where it manifested in her. Luffy's fruit is a devil fruit. It has probably had dozens of users and changed hands until one day it was eaten by someone capable of awakening it. By awakening these ancient powers, they are "reincarnating" the functions of the sovereigns of the void century.

[tame mirage]

Bruh all my counters to ur points so far are based on shanks characterisation so if that doesn’t count as good counter arguments then idk what does.

[sly panther]

I'm just saying Shanks has had about 1 chapter's worth of actual screentime, which isn't enough to lay an infallible characterization, yet he fills a major role in the story. The theory I'm laying out would be a twist, revealing what we don't know about his character, and would explain some of his odd actions taken to this point.

[tame mirage]

In the entire show so far there’s really only one scene which can be called an odd action which is the gorosei scene which there are already reasonable potential explanations which don’t require him being evil or bad/sus etc

[sly panther]

also like, take Garp. He's a Marine, and he's shown to be a high-ranking, 'good' person. I believe Shanks believes the good the WG brings to the world is worth hiding its secrets to do so, and Luffy will believe the truth is more important.

That's the kind of conflict I see

[serene plume]

The first time luffy and shanks met was when I believe shanks wanted to give the Devil fruit to ace since it was very important but luffy ate it instead. Plus luffy said the same thing roger said. That’s why shanks gave him the hat. Then he protected luffy a lot like raising a son. Shanks set the path for luffy. I also think he is protecting the road ponyglioph at elbalf waiting for the luffy to come and prove to him that he is ready to change the world. Shanks role will be protecting luffy from black bread and die trying

[iron lion]

my criticism regarding that stance is that Shanks has pretty much staked the future on the new era epitomized by Luffy.

[sly panther]

I just think at least one Marine is going to take the 'the world will be happier if no one knows' approach, and I think it'll either be Shanks or Coby

[twin plover]

there are already pirates and marines taking that approach. rayleigh and garp for starters

[quaint laurel]

shanks and dragon could team up eventually and i find that to be interesting

[tame mirage]

Another issue is even if Oda did decide to do what you are theorising, and he flips a switch and suddenly shanks an opp that’s 20 years of irl time of shanks’ character wiped clean and made invalid, it just doesn’t seem viable given how close we are getting to the end, not to mention perhaps the biggest issue the fandoms reaction to such a drastic change, no doubt it wouldn’t be well received

[iron lion]

I disagree, I think once the truth of the void century comes out, there will be a revolt, because whatever occured in that time period is that bad

[quaint laurel]

or could fight but we’re close to something with them after luffy awakening is shown

[iron lion]

This isn't a case of the WG being like "woopsie we went to war and did some wholesome chungus 100 things" that can be excused as being done for the greater good. It could very well be a case of the WG committing a great cleansing in the Void Century and with them planning to do so again

[tame mirage]

Damn I was reading that why delete

[hot cypress]

cz I copied and pasted it here

[twin plover]

i do like that theory. i already suspected that joy boy was uranus, so it follows that joy boy awakens like poseidon

[hot cypress]

it was this

[quaint laurel]

what is the most probable outcome to this moment we’re seeing? historic events changing the world i think 5 elders get involved hence shanks / dragon

[sly panther]

exactly this, my theory is that Shanks knows. He was there with Roger. This wouldn't be a case of his character being wiped clean, I feel this kind of twist was intended from the start. Note that even with how nice Shanks was being in chapter 1, Luffy's first response was to lash out and say his actions were wrong.

Later in the chapter, he decided Shanks was cool... after watching him fight the bandits off. and then in Jaya, in the bar with Bellamy, we see a parallel with Luffy refusing to fight back... but he walks off with a cold, blank expression, not really understanding why Shanks' peaceful option was 'good.' Shanks was an initial inspiration for Luffy, but fundamentally they're very different people, who aren't going to have the same outlooks on life.

[twin plover]

shanks wasn't there

[iron lion]

yeah didn't he stay behind with buggy?

[serene plume]

^

[sly panther]

Shanks was... somewhere
ok whether he was on the island or not, he knew Roger was there, and if he had been a plant by that point I think he would've known what Roger saw because of it

[twin plover]

he would have had to poison roger before roger saw it

[quaint laurel]

he’s making his move soon

[sly panther]

maybe the one man Shanks was telling them about was Joy Boy, and how he had reincarnated into two men

[sly panther]

which is why he was crying

[iron lion]

everyone was crying...

[serene plume]

I think shanks told them something about luffy and that’s why the wg is so scared of luffy rn

[warm bison]

My theory is that shanks sell luffy out to the Gorosei but not telling them everything so they kill him and revive JOYOBOYO without knowing it wich make shanks the ultra master mind

[quaint laurel]

well we don’t know about this awakening so what if he was warning the actual awakening in luffy you feel me

[sly panther]

that the Gomu Gomu was really a fake name given to the antithesis of the Yami Yami, one that represents Joy Boy's free spirit, while Yami Yami represents Joy Boy's thirst for power

[iron lion]

"eyy gorusei this luffy kid is kinda whack you should step aside and let him achieve the dawn of the world. You can retire in the bahamas after btw"

[bright citrus]

Joyboy is already awakened

Ig

[sly panther]

yeah at this point I think it's much more likely to actually be Joy Boy reincarnation stuff than just 'oil/resin'

[quaint laurel]

joy boy could be the awakened person or awakened state of df although i prefer person

[sly panther]

I know we're skeptical on reincarnation/destiny after other series, but if that's what Oda's doing it's been laid out for decades

[iron lion]

nah joyboy is a title as well as a person.

Original guy 800 years ago-Joyboy
People who uphold his dream of freedom for the world-titled joyboy

[serene plume]

Maybe like luffy has the fruit that makes them joyboy and if it awakens he will have the power

But what he didn’t tell the elders was that there were requirements to complete to awaken it and dying was the last requirement

So secretly he just made the fruit awaken

[iron lion]

just how Julius Caesar's name became Kaiser and Tsar. A name becomes a Title

[quaint laurel]

what do y’all think luffy actual power will be

[warm bison]

And what IF shanks dad eat the gomu gomu no mi and was one of the joyboy pretedent yet he died and shanks took the see to know better about all that, it will make him a strong drived caracther yet a dark and sad one

[quaint laurel]

like some type of stretch or liquid ability or ??

[warm bison]

I dont think it will change to be honest

[sly panther]

Luffy represents the epitome of free spirit. whatever he wants to happen, happens.

GER Luffy

[quaint laurel]

u don’t think it would be like a ability where punches can go through him ? that would be nice

[sly panther]

so just a logia upgrade?

[quaint laurel]

yeah lol

[serene plume]

Maybe his fruit is secretly a logia and it’s power was locked away because luffy couldn’t handle the full power

[warm bison]

No i dont think that will be too much of a change he will have all new attack that we dont know and that cont be introduced i cant see it in a narrative way

[quaint laurel]

he got a df that has all 3 in some way

[serene plume]

Yea

[quaint laurel]

that would be so cool fr tho

[warm bison]

For that i think his abilities wont change much like a whole other power

[serene plume]

Then he vs bb who has 3 df 1 of each

[sly panther]

anyway I'll stop typing for now but you'll see
I've cracked the code, Joy Boy's real name is Davy Jones, he fought back when Imu brought people from the moon, and Imu responded by flooding it and placing a piece of the moon as a slice of heaven on earth, and Joy Boy's promise with the fishmen to keep Noah safe for his return is so he can enact his revenge and use ghost ship Noah to flood the earth again, wiping the world of Imu's grasp

ok now I'll stop typing

[quaint laurel]

yeah it makes sense

[warm bison]

you think imu is immortal ?

[sly panther]

we don't know much about them, but... until proven otherwise, yeah

they're a phantom figure who presides over the Five Elders. Doesn't exactly seem like a monarch position one can be born into.

[hallow rapids]

You think Kaido was trying to kill himself to become Joyboy?

[sly panther]

mayyyybe. not entirely sure.

[hallow rapids]

Or just for that glorious death?

[hot cypress]

yes

[warm bison]

In fact it s perfect for a born position to me we can maybe see the plot with the ope ope no mi but it dont sell well in my book

[serene plume]

Joyboy

[sly panther]

actually, probably yeah. I think he knows that Joy Boy is prophesized to return when a great warrior is on the brink of death, and that's why he tried to go out in a grand fashion, and his disappointment when others (Luffy, Oden) who had the same kind of charisma didn't show any signs near death

[warm bison]

like he look frail as fuck as he was a girl, a princess

[sly panther]

we see a ton of monarchial characters within Marijoa, and yet not one of them knows Imu. quite literally, Imu's been shown as a King of Kings, a title often given to God... and he literally presides over a heavenly kingdom

I'm not saying Imu literally created the universe, but that they very well could be several centuries old, representing that kind of timeless 'perfect' ruler

[hallow rapids]

So Joyboy directly connects to the will of D. We know now.

And every D that died, did so with a smile. That was remnants of Joyboy leaving his impression on them.

[sly panther]

I think the will of D is a mark the WG (Imu) place on anyone who knows too much, a secret that must be purged, at risk of inheriting Joy Boy's will.

the devil fruits allowing for reincarnation need to be with someone at least deserving of the initial for Joy Boy to awaken, though the initial is WG-assigned

[sour ivy]

I think that the strawhat is a vivre card to someone on laughtale

[warm bison]

True yet i cant see Imu to be immortal because if so whats the point to hide yourself ? Imagine Imu is The strongest among the strongest then he should rule without fail thats what the GM does and all strong entities does in OP yet he stay hidden like he's fragile

I can see some fucked up dinasty rulling the world and being stuck scheming to protech their privileges but not a super overwhelming individual

[amber oar]

It would be super easy to arrive if it was the case lol

Roger had the straw hat for at least 30 years and still had to research 13 years and make a ton of detours, and ultimately asking his biggest rival to borrow a crewmate

[hallow rapids]

The only difference between every other D and Luffy is that Luffy is the chosen child of prophecy

[polar shell]

yes

[brisk mirage]

Easier to rule as a 1 person dictatorship if the populace doesn’t know you exist

[sour ivy]

I was clearly joking just like all of these other theories

[polar shell]

yes

[hot cypress]

lol

[polar shell]

yes

[warm bison]

whats the point having elderies supp you like their are your professor then ?

[amber oar]

Sorry I can't tell at this point

This channel isn't supposed to be for memes but people are already out of control anyway lol

[hallow rapids]

So when Luffy died. He was able to fully inherit Joyboy's will. Now we need to wonder. How will Kaido react when he sees Luffy is Joyboy?

[brisk mirage]

Wat?

[brisk mirage]

I think he got so close to death that Joyboy’s consciousness inside the straw hat has asserted control

[hallow rapids]

Will Kaido be in awe or anger? I am very curious.

[quaint laurel]

kaido gonna go “wororoorodor”

[brisk mirage]

I don’t think enough people know who Joyboy is. Kaido will just be like “huh”

[warm bison]

cant u see the gorosei are like big intendants supporting Imu, like they were gramps servant

[quaint laurel]

i think he’s gonna know he gonna die like it’s worthy

opening the gates

[brisk mirage]

They’re just meant to be the public face for Imu

[warm bison]

what if imu is the children of the last imu and the gorosei are the intedents of the last imu and continue their mission with KIDimu like perceptors

[strong ibex]

I like that idea of that. I always thought it was odd that not all that had a D were not from the same family. So for sure the D is not a family name.

[quaint laurel]

imu prolly knows joyboy via fight

[warm bison]

to me Imu is a teenager like luffy confirmed

[undone marten]

Because why ?

[warm bison]

I smell it HARD

[undone marten]

Ah okay valid

[quaint laurel]

imu is a celestial being like i don’t think imu is one of us just my opinion

a creator not one of creation

[hallow rapids]

no, Kaido knows who joyboy is

We saw it King's flashback

[sly panther]

I don't really believe they created anything, but they did bring civilization down from the heavens (probably the moon itself), and has some power granting (near-)immortality

[quaint laurel]

the celestial being thing makes sense w enel and the moon ppl

yeah i feel u bro

[sly panther]

well, they may have created the Red Line, and reshaped the map

yeah seriously um... have you looked at the world map in a minute

the name of the first half of the grand line is 'paradise' with the second half being 'new world'

[quaint laurel]

the moon ppl and lunarians i wonder what the back story is with them

[hallow rapids]

Isn't that right? Kaido directly refers to Joyboy in King's flashback?

[sly panther]

the map is literally an endless expanse of sea, with a single continent in the middle, housing the kingdom that rules over all other kingdoms. and plastered right down the center line of that map is

"New World || Paradise"

[quaint laurel]

do u think luffy is breaking the red line w a punch 🥊

[sly panther]

so yeah, pretty firmly believe that Imu brought people down from the heavens, flooded the world during the void century, and the current state of things (and the hidden truth behind it) is all as Imu intended

[quaint laurel]

same

[sly panther]

...also won't go all the way back into it but like come on Shanks being the right hand for someone?

I'm proud of that theory and still believe in it

[quaint laurel]

i wonder if imu can feel luffy awakening like the sound of liberation

or hear it

[sly panther]

probably

just saying if Shanks makes an unexpected appearance soon...

[warm bison]

More seriously Dolfi seems to know the truth (hes the one speaking when we first saw imu, and he speak about how volatil is the power) the gorosei are chickening all day like their ace is weak asf each time an event occur and i have a strong feeling that imu is not the powerhouse we think he's. Hes power is more than just canon, he politicaly got the world in hs hand

[polar shell]

nop

[hallow rapids]

I'm not going crazy am I? Kaido knows Joyboy. I thought that was confirmed.

Like-

He said it during his fight with Luffy. Am I being gaslit?

[pure raven]

Not personally…

[warm bison]

And the ultimate thing that make me think that imu is a young princess his her maid like she got a young maid like all princess does

like long dress playing wih butterfly a young maid

[quaint laurel]

that would be nasty if luffy comes out and wraps up kaido in one chapter

1050

[warm bison]

what more than that do you need to see shes a young princess scheming to maintain power

[hallow rapids]

Isn't it cool that this is the arc that the Monster Trio are becoming "monsters?"

[warm bison]

OR OMG maybe imu is JOYOBOY ex wife ?!

[proven monolith]

true Kaido knows of Joyboy..most likely from King who is a Lunarian and his people have been waiting for Joyboy for centuries

[hallow rapids]

Yeee

[quaint laurel]

what if sanji is found sitting next to zoros body lighting a j after luffy deafeated kaido and he passes him the j and says “take a hit my nika”

😭😭😭

[hallow rapids]

Bruh

[proven monolith]

well Sanji does like to smoke ALOT

[quaint laurel]

when he’s stressed too

[warm bison]

and we will got one badass fem character because BM is humiliated each case of this manga

[sand sail]

I totally missed this, I like this theory. Kinda ties in with the way the Gomu Gomu was said to grow from the Gomu Gomu tree originally lol

[proven monolith]

any theories on next chapter. Oda said Wano ending would be a big surprise..just what is he plotting?

[hallow rapids]

Well. The way you make rubber from nature is from tree sap.

[shut heath]

Resin, specifically.

[hallow rapids]

Right

[proven monolith]

i think since WG got rid of the Warlords, WG may have the new SSG weapon on ships outside Wano and they attack Onigashima trying to wipe out remaining pirates

[warm bison]

Mark my world chat i discovered who Imu, when the darkness on that mystery will vanish remember that I licheman420 knew it from the start

[hallow rapids]

Kidd's Awakening is kinda sick. 『ASSIGN』

[sly panther]

I'm just saying I totally cracked the endgame 😎

[proven monolith]

no matter what anyone else says i still love Kidd

[hallow rapids]

Kidd is mean af. But I like him.

[modest skiff]

Thanks!! Glad you liked it

[shut heath]

There was a video I saw last night that honestly made a lot of sense that Luffy's fruit was a Resin based ability, not a Rubber based one. Reason being that Resin more closely matches the characteristics of Luffy's abilities, including (but not limited to):

• Being much softer and more flexible under heat (Gear 2nd)
• Being largely more inflatable (Gear 3rd/4th)
• Generating smoky red flame when heated enough to ignite (Red Hawk)
• Maintaining flexibility even in a solid state (Gear 4th)
• Electricity resistance (Has the same resistance as normal natural rubber)

[hallow rapids]

He's made of resin (how did that happen?)
Yohoho he took a bite of gum gum.

[pure raven]

Long time lurker and lover of OP community content. One thing I haven't come across in theories is the idea that devil fruits carry remnants of the souls of previous owners. By no means do I think I'm smart enough to have thought of this first, and I'm sure others have talked about it. Just haven't seen it yet. Wouldn't this give the WG reason to be terrified of the gomu fruit, if it carries the memories/souls of Joy Boy a/or Nika?

[shut heath]

What's more, since Dressrosa, we've received povs from antagonists expressing their confusion on why Luffy's body seems to be so strange, as Rubber doesn't seem to match up with some of the properties of Luffy's attacks.

[sly panther]

I do think Luffy’s rubber qualities reflect properties of resin, but I don’t believe that means ‘the secret name of the rubber fruit is the resin fruit’

I think Oda just took some properties of different aspects of rubber, and used them as ‘upgrades’

[hallow rapids]

Yeh is a gud theory

[pure raven]

I do love how this theory connects to the idea of the Adam Tree, the holy tree of knowledge. Can't remember exactly what it's called in OP world, but it has ties with Fishman Island I think? And the Adam Tree's sap would have given birth to the resin / gomu DF directly.

[sly panther]

I think the secret nature really is more in line with Joy Boy’s free spirit, reflected in physical form

[cobalt kayak]

OK, so why are people so set on making theories based on chapter numbers when oda himself said he doesnt pay attention to them???

[sly panther]

I do think Oda does some with numbers, but definitely not every little number

[shut heath]

It does have ties with a sister tree, Eve the Sunlight tree, which provides light and warmth to Fishman Island so far deep in the sea.

[sly panther]

100 entered the grand line, 500 introduced Rayleigh, 600 timeskip

[amber oar]

People don't want to find the truth, they just want to be right

[hallow rapids]

I think Oda does more wordplay stuff than number stuff.

[sly panther]

milestones have had major moments, but not every single time

and I think Oda realized a little while back that nothing super huge would happen around 1000 and didn’t go out of his way to cram one in

[amber oar]

Milestones are one thing and there have been a few

What Hanapepe asked is about the number wordplay thing. Which I personally think it's utter bullshit

[proven monolith]

i have thought of that too..Especially since in Shandora they would ring the golden bell for their ancestors souls to enter the trees..maybe fruit grew from those trees

[sly panther]

I think if he can time something for a milestone, he does, but he doesn’t go out of his way to do so

[hallow rapids]

It's harder to parce wordplay stuff tho because it doesn't always translate well in English.

You would need someone who understands the language to tell you

[sly panther]

my thoughts on number play are similar to milestones: If he doesn’t have to go far out of his way, he might, but he won’t write the story to do that

[amber oar]

it doesn't translate well in any language, but it's not just that

it would require to force a precise chapter-per-chapter calibration of the content to add, which is humanely impossible. Oda already struggles enough deciding which panels to discard each week, if he could he'd release 30 pages per chapter

[shut heath]

You know this was somewhat based off the fan-made reverie comic, but I'd like to imagine that there's a 3rd Tree, one where all Devil Fruit originated and return to if they don't find a nearby fruit to regenerate into:

The Devil Tree, Seth.

Its called Seth since in Genesis, Adam and Eve had another son named Seth who was born after Cain killed Abel.

[cobalt kayak]

introducing rayleigh is a stretch too. it just so happened to be chapter 600. just saying people shouldnt put so much faith into chapter numbers=hints at the story

[shut heath]

Which btw the Cain and Abel story may also have some parallels between the 20 kingdoms and the ancient kingdom

Perhaps the 20 kingdoms were spurred on by Jealousy over the prosperity and blessings of the Ancient kingdom

[amber oar]

Ray was 500

but there's some degree of truth in the milestone thing, although it wasn't always that way.

700 was the fnnouncement to the world for both Luffy/Law and Kid/Apoo/Hawkins alliances
800 was the creation of the Straw Hat Fleet
900 was Bad End Musical
1000 was the start of roof piece

[shut heath]

And waged war to wipe it out, and subsequently covered up their reasoning and misdeeds

[amber oar]

then again, it's much easier to adjust content every hundred chapters than on a weekly basis as yuderon believers think

[royal fox]

Which theory have you got your money on
The monkey king theory or the resin theory

[brisk mirage]

Neither, straw hat imbued with soul of Joyboy theory

Hence why the giant straw hat is frozen in Marijois, to prevent whatever beings soul is inside it from finding a host

[swift dagger]

i dont even know what the monkey king one is

[untold charm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_King this makes sense too
since Sun Wukong has his staff that extends at will. so Luffy's awakening mightve unlocked the zoan type of his otherwise seemingly paramecia devil fruit

but really like the resin resin fruit idea

resin makes more sense because of connecting hints from previous chapters Oda left us

while I believe Sun Wukong is also a viable option considering Luffy's transformation in Thriller Bark

his name is literally Monkey

and he said "nika"

it's still a viable theory

i think gear 4 was a step in the right direction as he looks more and more like a monkey-zoan

[elfin void]

Do yall know any good long one piece theory on youtube that is good explained?

[elfin void]

Nah not really

[untold charm]

Inherited Will is a great place to start. Then Jaya+Shandora+"one piece" being the other missing island

[elfin void]

What fucking monkey looks like balloon

[elfin void]

Do u know any youtube channel?

[untold charm]

Tekking101, BDA Law put out good content with the usual hot takes from Ohara. But, my favorite has always been Joyboy Theories

wrong reply my b

[pale laurel]

In short I think the resin theory is more likely. What the resin theory has going for it is that it is only a small change from the gum fruit. There is no need to explain how the gum fruit is secretly a zoan, and the rubber abilities are well accounted for. Furthermore resin feels (to me at least) like a type of power that fits with the style in One Piece -- which religious figures do not. Also, Luffy's hair on the final panel that looks like goo can be explained as resin.

What the Monkey King theory has going for it is that it sounds like a big deal. The WG would worry about that sort of power, while resin is hard to see as superior to lots of other devil fruits in the series. Furthermore it would completely Momotaro myth by having a mythical monkey devil fruit enter the fray. Personally I do not find the monkey+dog+pheasant theory very convincing, but for some it looks like a strong structure in the current story.

[untold charm]

but be prepared to be spoiled completely when consuming their content

[elfin void]

Im on last chapter

[untold charm]

they literally spoil everything with the exception of tekking

[elfin void]

IM SO FUCKING HYPED

[fathom matrix]

TBH have cutting attacks really been that much of a weakness for Luffy? He's managed to always push through sharp teath, bullet, swords and needles.

[untold charm]

if you can handle tekkings delivery his raw content, he's decent and the fact that he puts effort into not spoiling/clickbaiting his viewers

[elfin void]

Since only sharp thing can go through him then yeah, its kind of weakness

[odd dragon]

kill his brother in front of him is a weakness i think

[wind marten]

I think luffys fruit is the same as joy boys if he had a devil fruit

[elfin void]

U wrong for this one☠️

[untold charm]

that's a fact

[elfin void]

It is?

[untold charm]

its pretty much confirmed Zunesha told us so about Joyboy from 800 years ago

and how he feels the same energy coming from Luffy upon his alleged awakening

so Joyboy had the same powers/DF as Luffy rn

[wind marten]

And that why the WG wanted that fruit

[untold charm]

what I'm really curious about is if Shanks knew the full potential of the Gomu Gomu No Mi

[elfin void]

Probably yes

[untold charm]

exactly, that large straw hat in mariejois is Joyboys hat

[elfin void]

Shanks is such a good character even tho i know zero shit about him

[untold charm]

im not sure why they are keeping it locked up tbh...

[pale laurel]

we don't know that the giant straw hat belonged to Joy Boy. It is just the most common idea

[elfin void]

Like why would he be so mad by luffy eating it,for normal people its just useless fruit that u can stretch with

[untold charm]

i think the plan was for Shanks to consume it or take it to Ace (which doesn't make sense in terms of timeline since we don't know if Ace had already consumed the mera mera no mi back when Luffy accidentally consumed the gomu gomu nomi)

[elfin void]

Why would u be so mad if someone ate that like yeah df kinda expensive but ye

[untold charm]

i mean it is a DF.... and a kid not in their crew consumed it

[elfin void]

Yeah but not that much mad like he was going insane

[untold charm]

but idk why you'd be carrying around a DF like that across the seas

[elfin void]

Its just df tgat can make u stretch

[untold charm]

if they were gonna consume it. they were searching for someone with the will of D that can carry on Joyboys will

and to me I think that was Ace at the time considering he was Roger's son

[elfin void]

Or just shanks was waiting for the righ moment to eat it

[untold charm]

Portgas D. Ace

[elfin void]

Yk makima does not like short pps

[untold charm]

that still makes no sense to me, why delay eating such a fruit?

the sooner he takes it the sooner he can unlock its potential

[elfin void]

True

[wind marten]

I’m wondering what shanks thought of ace

[untold charm]

but the whole concept of being on the brink of death to unlock your devil fruits awakening is fascinating to me

Bink's Sake GOATED btw....

[elfin void]

Cool dude, he was really popular

[untold charm]

There's definitely a connection between Shanks and Ace we don't know about

[elfin void]

Nah imo nothing deep

[untold charm]

I should check into the timeline when Ace consumed the mera mera no mi

[elfin void]

Imo shanks wanted luffy to eat it

[pale laurel]

Ace had not consumed the flame fruit when he departed from his home town as a 17-year-old

[untold charm]

seems like Ace also consumed it as a kid

[elfin void]

Ye

[elfin void]

But after hw became pirate

[untold charm]

ty so the it's safe to assume Ace has not eaten any DF anytime around when Luffy consumed his

yeah it was definitely going to Ace

but when Luffy ate it, Shanks was probably damn... fuck it lets entrust Joyboy's will onto Luffy and give him the identical hat as joyboy's

[elfin void]

I think in some manga bonus story(idk how is it called) there was drawed ace where he ate the fruit and suddenly he started to be on fire so he panicked

[elfin void]

Sorry for my bad english.

[untold charm]

and that was when he was still a kid or grown up teenager?

[pale laurel]

It is easy to hypothesize that Shanks wanted to give the gum fruit to Ace because he was Roger's son. Shanks may or may not have considered himself for eating it, but as he said he wanted to bet on the next generation. Also, we don't know whether or not Shanks is in the D. clan. It might be that the gum fruit can only be awakened by a D.

[elfin void]

When he became pirate

[untold charm]

Shanks probably had an idea that there's more to just eating a DF and gaining powers imo

[elfin void]

Wait but how could shanks now that ace is skn of roger

[untold charm]

and he was searching for the "right owner" to unlock Joyboy's will

as we already know only a select few can awaken a DF and it has to do with something along the lines of "inherited will"

[pale laurel]

we don't know, but it is curious that the Red Haired pirates were loitering about exactly on the island where Roger's son was

[untold charm]

Luffy's ambition lined up with joyboy's and his failure to deliver on his promises to the world and specifically to the Fishmen

and he was on the brink of death and was able to awaken and unlock the full potential of his powers

[elfin void]

Depends but i think yes

[untold charm]

thus Zunesha being able to recognize him as Joyboy

[elfin void]

Like mochi mochi no mi should be logia but it isnt

[elfin void]

Didnt he say that he feels joyboy?

[untold charm]

well I guess we'll have to find out if Gomu Gomu no mi is truly a paramecia or logia or a zoan/paramecia type

but we have not seen any zoan/paramecia type

[elfin void]

Katakuris

[untold charm]

that's a paramecia

mochi/rubber is not a natural element

[coarse salmon]

Imo both the wukong and the resin fruits sound super unlikely

[elfin void]

Ong

[untold charm]

but that also puts Crocodile's logia powers into question... sand is not an element

[wind marten]

There’s a rubber tree

[hearty osprey]

Chatter

[elfin void]

But its natural

[untold charm]

true!

[vapid minnow]

Nami is gonna play a role in Luffy’s New Ability, She was just brought back last chapter to confront Kaido as Luffy unlocked his Awakening/Joyboy moment. Also this color page foreshadows Luffy as a Shandorian similarly to Sun God Nika, more importantly this color page is from Chapter 175 解放 which can be translated as Release or Liberation....

[untold charm]

idk more and more Sun Wukong theory sounds more plausible than the Resin fruit

[elfin void]

Imo luffys awakening will be something like doflamingos

[untold charm]

idk i feel like resin fruit makes more sense considering how Luffy will save Wana from Onigashima falling onto the Flower Capital

he can create a resin-like environment around him that would bounce off any damage to the city

[terse fog]

The fact that their is a bunny on the tiger head too could mean something, carrot???

[untold charm]

but idk how much Momonosuke can hold up Onigashima with his clouds

[elfin void]

I wouldnt call it resin it will still be gum imo, just more melted

[untold charm]

so it might not be such a good speculation of how post-kaido-defeat will play out

[vapid minnow]

Maybe Tama? And the Kibi Dango

[hearty osprey]

I think he is actually made of solidified crude oil or resin and it has something todo with his heart, something like before he was struck down by kaido he used hardening on his heart bc he couldn't do anything else. Then the impact of the hit was like a Jumpstart for his hardened heart.. theoretically if his heart had to work harder to beat and it was hardened it would make friction.. thus causing his body to melt.. the hotter his blood burns the more his body would melt and then he could reshape it like mochi and harden it.. that would mean awakening his fruit could only be done in the heat of battle and the sound zenu heard beating was luffys hardened heart pumping fast enough to cause the friction needed melt.
"AKA the drums of liberation"
Theoretically speaking this could also align with the luffy is Wukong theroy bc he could look like him by riding his own steam clouds bc oil rises with steam and sits ontop of water.. also he could create a staff that stretchs and hardens from his own skin.. and have fur/goop on his head, forearms, shins, and a goop tail.

Just my take

[untold charm]

for now, i'll stick with the Sun Wukong theory more than the Resin theory

[elfin void]

ONG

[elfin void]

Wukong awakening is bs imo

[terse fog]

I just read the pinned comment of the theory of luffy's devil fruit in this channel I kinda agree with it and I don't I agree with the nature of it but not the naming. I would look into that

[untold charm]

makes sense considering Red Hawk

[untold charm]

it still has its merits. nobody know yet

[swift patrol]

Didn't shanks said he didn't want to eat the gomu gomu because he and his crew need to swim?

[elfin void]

Nobody knows but even resin is better theory in that

[elfin void]

Ye

[swift patrol]

how tho? Luffy's abilities match 1:1 with hanuman

[untold charm]

idk maybe gomu gomu no mi puts a limit on the plot where they fight the WG in the end because DF users wouldn't be allowed to swim to Laugh Tale that's sunken into the ocean

[hearty osprey]

I think he won't be wukong but one pieces embodiment of wukong by using the resin to look like a monkey

[terse fog]

I think shanks and his crew plus roger and his crew never ate devil fruits and I think shanks has the same reasosing as roger being that roger has a reasoning

[untold charm]

the ending to One Piece will be even more grand than any other anime ending I can think of

all the clues and plot coming to fruition

[swift patrol]

I think roger had a fruit, the same one dragon has. Didn't the roger pirates escape from shiki thanks to a sudden change in wind, the same way dragon changes/brings storms wherever he goes?

[terse fog]

Its called luck

[untold charm]

was Enel ruling Skypeia back when Roger visited?

[swift patrol]

Yeah maybe, but when you consider that dragon has the same "luck" there has to be something going on. Either an ancient zoan or whatever

[wind marten]

I don’t think roger had a DF

[elfin void]

Like awakening of the fruit still has the power of that fruit, just better nah? What does monkey have to do with gum

[terse fog]

No godfall was

[untold charm]

Roger is similar to Shanks i think just raw haki

[swift patrol]

It's not gum tho? Kaido confirmed it, it doesn't act as gum does

[untold charm]

and he had other powerful DF users in his crew

Shanks probably just came in for clean up and 1v1 with bosses

[elfin void]

Kaido had so much alcohol in him it coul kill fucking elephant

[untold charm]

I bet Shanks saw how powerful Roger was and thought to himself I dont need a DF to become the pirate king

[swift patrol]

yeah and? he's still clearly lucid enough to know what he's talking about

[elfin void]

• its still more comparable to gum than some monkey

[swift patrol]

Nobody said anything about monkey tho. the mythical zoan model hanuman doesn't have to be an animal

like with sengoku's buddah

[untold charm]

i do agree the Sun Wukong theory isn't all that plausible considering the low probability Luffy's awakening = zoan

but i mean if he can manipulate his body to any shapes and hardness he wants, he might as well be a zoan

[swift patrol]

I think oda is trolling us big time with the volume cover spread. The monkey king pointing at resin, come on

[untold charm]

and maybe that's what makes the gomu gomu no mi op compared to other paramecia DF

[mighty narwhal]

Don't think so

[elfin void]

What panel, can u send it please

[quaint laurel]

it could have that zoan capacity along with allowing for things to move through him like liquid giving him logia ability

[untold charm]

man i just hope Oda doesn't make Luffy way too op

[quaint laurel]

be might have a df w all 3 where bb has 3 df

[untold charm]

there's still Elbaf and Laugh Tale arc left

i want more juice left by the time we get there

[elfin void]

Thats not that much time

[untold charm]

what's the current theory on where Luffy will face Shanks

[quaint laurel]

luffy will have his own category of greatness when it’s all done

[untold charm]

or will they ever go against each other or will Shanks just be an alliance

[wind marten]

Possibly elbaf

[untold charm]

Elbaf is where the last Road Poneglyph is located

[clever sandal]

buggys right ballsack when he impregnates shanks for the one piece oda literature genius > shakespear

[quaint laurel]

Elbaf with shanks will answer a lot

[compact jewel]

theres no time for elbaf

[untold charm]

dude Oda confirmed Buggy can remove his dick

[quaint laurel]

luffy dick armament haki 😵‍💫

[untold charm]

how so? give me some ideas

[compact jewel]

and throw it to girl's faces

[untold charm]

call it a Dick Move

[quaint laurel]

shanks with the WG

[compact jewel]

bugy dick clown

[quaint laurel]

he definitely gonna say something

or if he’s not

[untold charm]

I think the WG already knows they can't take on Shanks 1:1 and Shanks just dropping by warning them about what's to come and the trouble Blackbeard pirates will bring

[swift patrol]

chapter 1039 color spread

[elfin void]

Appreciate it thank u

[quaint laurel]

true

[swift patrol]

Idk if he's trolling big time, but it's a literal monkey king pointing at resin. So idfk.

[untold charm]

bruh

wtf Oda

[swift patrol]

Yeah either he's trolling like "look at resin, jk" or he's confirming it idk. Or he's saying "monkey king made out of resin"

[untold charm]

the fact that Luffy was able to hop on those resin bubbles in the Fishmen arc without any issues was HELLA SUS though

[elfin void]

Thats too obvious imo, why would oda do that

[untold charm]

idk that monke looks like the Sun Wukong reference... but he's pointing to that resin-like substance

[swift patrol]

Because the fanbase is dense and won't accept the foreshadowing even when it's spelt in bold red letters. Like when people kept saying the gorosei weren't talking about luffy's DF

[fathom matrix]

Luffy's fruit OH SHIT, THAT RESIN ON THE RIGHT!

I actually did have an idea about trees. There's rubber trees and some gum came from the rubber resin from trees.

[untold charm]

its like he's hella teasing us

[untold charm]

exactly theres a connection to Luffy's alleged Resin powers to the big ass tree

when we find out we will be mindblown mark my words

there's a reason why the WG fears the gomu gomu no mi and especially its awakening

[wind marten]

Oda basically saying you see this shit

[fathom matrix]

Heck, what if every fruit started out as a gum gum fruit, plain simple and from trees, but they got modified to have powers>

And Luffy just has the basis fruit. A blank slate that provides him with stretching abilities

[untold charm]

it probably poses greatest risk to them hiding the void century

[elfin void]

Why exactly do u think wg is feared of gomu gomu, did they say it?

[clever sandal]

i was there during the meeting i can confirm its about gomu gomu no mi

[untold charm]

it's like a key that is able to unlock and all the secrets from the void century

[untold charm]

yes hold up

[elfin void]

Respect

[swift patrol]

Inb4 the gomu gomu is just a normal fruit and luffy is just very flexible

[hearty valley]

not on Elbaf

[untold charm]

@elfin void

[swift patrol]

Will luffy and shanks even fight? Or will they join forces without fighting

[untold charm]

i mean god dayum

[elfin void]

DAMN WTF

[untold charm]

dude right? shit blows my mind

[elfin void]

How do i not remember that

[hearty valley]

That's too smart for theorists. You gonna fall into Oda's trap to becoming mainstream. Clearly Luffy never was a Rubber human. Jokes aside, the Gorosei were not talking about Luffy

[untold charm]

and Zunesha on that panel... and also the same Zunesha saying he hears Joyboy in Luffy's presence now

[elfin void]

Ngl would be better if shanks just died

[fathom matrix]

I think it may also be the fact the WG is afraid of anything from the VC surviving. They put a bounty on an a little girl who escaped an island they destroyed. where they also murdered innocent parents and childen.

[swift patrol]

They were, at this point if you still think they weren’t idk what to tell you

[untold charm]

honestly i wouldn't care lol shanks has no emotional impact on me since his presense is always off the screen after he lost his arm saving Luffy

[fathom matrix]

So if it was JB's fruit, they would freak the fuck out not wanting anyone to risk tracing/revealing it

[elfin void]

Man wtf, robin literally knew how to read poneglyphs ofc they want her dead

[untold charm]

most of the fan base has no emotional attachment to Shanks purely due to his frequent absence from the canon

[elfin void]

New film RED will change that perspective of yours

[swift patrol]

I really want a shanks vs blackbeard showdown

[elfin void]

My balls seriously hurt, any tips

[hearty valley]

If you read OP, since a very long time you can feel those Oda traps easily. Well whatever. Coming chapters will show who is right

[fathom matrix]

True, but they probably would have tortured and interrigated her for information and ask "who else knows" and if her well of information's dry, they would cap her off.

[untold charm]

I just feel like Gomu Gomu no mi's name was given by the WG to hide its true nature

they feared its awakening because they feared Joyboy's powers when they fought the Ancient Kingdoms

[fathom matrix]

They probably thought "it stretches like gum, so gum gum fruit it is"

[elfin void]

Wdym "who else knows" they literally killed all of them

[untold charm]

but how do you figure? what can we make of what the Gorosei are talking about in that panel.

i strongly believe they were discussing the Gomu Gomu no mi and not Blackbeards'

blackbeard will just be an antagonist in the final arc reaching to laugh tale

god i hate that guy

[hearty valley]

Blackbeard my favorite character next to Kaidou. Real pirates!

[untold charm]

RIP Shirohige

[elfin void]

Yeah he kinda bad

[untold charm]

haha true, it's what the rest of the One Piece world believe pirates are

and Luffy's crew being the complete opposite of what people expect from "pirates"

I believe that's one of the big reasons why Shanks took the risk to showing up at Marineford to save Luffy's life edit: well not only his but everyone's

[fathom matrix]

They always say "capture nico robin" and no "eliminate nico robin" so they want to get any info out of her. Of course Robin wouldn't have told anyone any VC information or ancient weapon into, but they would torture her to make sure she didn't, and as soon as they either know no one does or they found out everyone who may know about it. Done, cap her off. VC secrets safe

[untold charm]

Luffy's crew probably very similar to Roger's crew. they werent out to loot and ruin people's lives and take a whole country hostage like Dofla/Crocodile

[elfin void]

Her Bounty poster says "dead or alive" doesnt it

[untold charm]

Roger's crew was out for adventure and wanting to find out the truth behind the WG and what and why they're trying so hard to cover up the Void Century

that truth WG is hiding must be very dark history where if people of the OP world found out, all will join the revolutionaries and rebel against them

[hearty valley]

This in fact opens an interesting topic. As it is, pirate in fact represents rather anarchy than true order seeing how chaotic the New World is. Wonder if just removing the WG is the best step forward. The Revolutionaries at least didn't see the WG as enemy, but rather the war the upper echelon rules the world and want to reform the WG.

[untold charm]

regardless of how powerful the WG is with Emu and the Gorosei + Marine, they can't take on the whole entire world against them

[hearty valley]

Wonder if there is more regarding Roger not doing anything after Laugh Tale. Imagining he could have shared the true history, would it have a favorable outcome if it turned the world into chaos by damaging the WG. Big question mark

[elfin void]

Imo shanks wont be luffys enemy, atleast he wont hate him

[untold charm]

it takes law-abiding citizens and law enforcement to run a government. But if the rest of the world doesnt agree with how they came to power and the existence of incest Celestial Dragons will turn the whole world upside down

[untold charm]

exactly, I dont agree with Shanks vs Luffy. Makes 0 sense. Shanks couldve reached Laugh Tale and gained intel about One Piece himself but he didn't. He literally told Roger no, im staying and take of then injured Buggy.

[elfin void]

Like if shanks will want to kill him , it will be cuz he needs to or something and not cuz of his personal feelings.

[untold charm]

he chose to entrust Joyboy's will onto the next gen

[hearty valley]

Wonder about that. Roger was not truly about revolution or seeing the WG as enemies. Same goes for Luffy. He is not a revolutionary, it is about freedom and reaching the top more.

Luffy doesn't want the WG removed. No political ambition towards that ever shown

[elfin void]

Yeah, also things he said after making aces grave

[untold charm]

exactly, and WG fears Luffy's crew reaching Laugh Tale and finding out their dark history the WG has been hiding from the world going as far as buster calling Ohara and creating characters like Robin

[elfin void]

They were so nice and he didnt say them out loud, only in his head

[untold charm]

and they are more afraid because Luffy has the same powers as Joyboy, their main opponent in overthrowing Ancient Kingdom's reign over the world

[elfin void]

But we dont know if joyboy had gomu fruut

[untold charm]

so after this arc, I bet Luffy's bounty will topple that of Kaidou and Shanks

[untold charm]

but we DO man!! what do you mean? Even Zunesha confirmed

did you not see that last page of 1043?

[elfin void]

Ofc it will, he will defeat kaido almost by jimself

[elfin void]

He said that he feels joyboy, nothing said about his fruut

[untold charm]

I think Luffy outright beats Kaidou but there are other loose plot that needs to be tied when it comes to CP0, what Orochi is scheming among many other things

and not to mention they're probably sending Admiral(s) to Wano as this is all going down

Marine loves to collect and arrest after Luffy's crew wins and want to take advantage of their weakened state and arrest both parties

and lie to the world publishing news that the Marine took down Kaidou and Luffy

where have we heard this before.... hmm.... Alabasta and literally every single arc lol

[elfin void]

Huh

[untold charm]

it's just the trend

Luffy beats Crocodile = Marine gets cred

Luffy beats literally anyone that leads to marine arrests and they get all the cred for it

and continue to put Luffy's reputation under their lies

but the whole world knows who's come in contact with Luffy and his crew beating up assholes that he's not the guy that the world government says he is

[untold charm]

he has Alabasta, Shandora, Fishmen Island, Dressrosa backing him

and when the right time comes, Luffy along with the countries he's helped and the revolutionaries will fight the WG and overthrow them and spread the info on the Void Century to the world

[undone holly]

when do you guys think we going to meet Vegapunk?

[elfin void]

Why would luffy fight wg

[untold charm]

where is he right now?

[untold charm]

because...? they literally declared war against them at Enies Lobby rescuing Robin

and since then WG made Luffy their enemy and have tabs on him wherever he goes

that CP0 agent honestly saved Luffy's life and essentially helped him awaken his DF

[elfin void]

Oh yeah

[elfin void]

He the real one ong🧐🙏

[untold charm]

Kaidou wanted to die

[sand sail]

how tho

[untold charm]

Luffy "died" because of the CP0 agent

[elfin void]

And

[sand sail]

Luffy "died" because he got hit by Kaido's attack

Which would have happened whether bowler hat was there or not unless he overpowered Kaido

[untold charm]

he got hit and took on that impact head on because of the CP0's actions

otherwise, Luffy wouldn't have "died" and came back with his DF awakened

[sand sail]

Which still would've happened, Luffy still would've either won that clash or lost it

[untold charm]

it mightve happened naturally without CP0's interruption but it is notable that in hindsight that CP0 helped unlock Luffy's DF

[sand sail]

If he wins it, there's no problem

If he loses it, he still gets laid out, that was his last hit on Kaido

[hearty osprey]

I'd like to think if it is like Binks prophecy is like most prophecies it can't be changed so Luffy was going to die to that hit regardless

[untold charm]

yeah... Binks Sake GOATED

literally gave away just enough for fans to be mindblown by the connection

and the drums of liberation directly quoted by Zunesha gave me chills

[undone holly]

but do you think his intention was to help? cause i dont think so

[untold charm]

oh no, he had no idea what would happen but I assume that CP0 also had observation haki to see how things would play out after

but he knew he'd die either way in the hands of Kaidou or the WG killing him for disobeying orders

[elfin void]

What wdym

[tired depot]

Hey guys any new creative theories on joy boy fruit

[untold charm]

he chose the fast way to die which i can respect

[untold charm]

nah same ol speculations. no one really knows but it's Sun Wukong vs Resin Fruit

[tired depot]

So the cheese thing is buried now?

[untold charm]

LMAO when was that ever a thing

[undone holly]

how much sure are we about CPO agent deaths? cause Oda dont kill like that on spot

[tired depot]

You’d be surprised 😂😂

[untold charm]

well... i mean have you seen that panel? that CP0 agent accepted his death and the other one wathcing from afar sending his regards

that's like as clear as it can get that CP0 legit died right there

[tired depot]

That was a really cold moment

[untold charm]

and IF that CP0 didnt actually die... that would upset a lot of fans

like how DARE he get to live after that?

[clear ridge]

Cp0 will be next joyboy after luffy

[untold charm]

I mean characters like Pell lived after that explosion but that's a feel-good fan service

but this CP0 agent has no reason to live for the plot anymore

[clear ridge]

Cp0 agent will be the witness of Joy boys return

[untold charm]

man 1044 WHEN 😭 i swear if its a flashback to Joyboy ima be PISSED

[tired depot]

I would not mind that actually

[untold charm]

but knowing Oda and the general flow of the manga, I already know its a big possibility we wont get what we all expect out of 1044

[clear ridge]

Lol then April fools next month

[untold charm]

fr fr

Oda not gonna let up that chance to troll us YOU ALREADY KNOW

Oda is so good at trolling

[elfin void]

Yeah, whole chaoter will probably be about yamato saving tgat uglyass junky city

[untold charm]

Yamato joins Straw Hats or no

[tired depot]

Tbh Oda has nothing else to cover in onigashima. All the generals are taken down, all the minor fights are done. Big mom is down. I don’t see Oda jumping to another part of onigashima. The only thing I can see him jump to is probably a flashback. We might just continue with luffy

[elfin void]

Ye imo

[undone holly]

for sure.

[untold charm]

we already got Jinbe out of this arc though! but that ties to the Whole Cake arc more than Wano

[undone holly]

i'm betting CP0 agent lifes on that.

[untold charm]

my wish is that Yamato be a part of SH moving forward but i wont be mad if she doesnt join the same way Vivi chose to stay back

[pure raven]

So Uh

[untold charm]

but Vivi had a greater reason for staying in Alabasta whereas Momo will be the next in line to rule Wano

[pure raven]

I don't think I have any evidence YET, to support this claim

[untold charm]

can't imagine Yamato being welcomed knowing she's Kaidou's daughter

[elfin void]

WHAT ☠️☠️☠️

[amber oar]

Momo will take care of that

[untold charm]

so she has more incentive to set sail with the SH

[pure raven]

But coming from the latest chapter, Luffy might be prone to gaining Shape Shifting/Meta Morphing abilities

[tired depot]

Yamato sure is getting pushed hard when it comes to merch sales and stuff. And she always seems to be along side the straw hats. I’m not saying this confirms anything but she’s destined to be a straw hat

[elfin void]

Like luffy gives a fuck

[undone holly]

we have to take one of the Ace promisses to the crew, for the god sake... we take Yamato or Otama

[untold charm]

well doesn't matter if the rulers of Wano knows what role Yamato played in this but can't expect everyone to fall in line respecting Kaidou's kid

[tired depot]

Why not both. Every major crew had a chore boy. In this case she’d be a chore girl

[untold charm]

at Wano knowing how Kaidou has treated them

so all im saying is theres a clearer reason and incentive for Yamato to set sail with the SH

[undone holly]

3 crew mate in one saga? dont make us dream

[untold charm]

i dont think Otama will join SH

her powers are OP af ngl and i can already see how it can be beneficial for Elbaf

[tired depot]

One thing Wano has taught us. Is that this isn’t a normal arc. Don’t be too surprised

[untold charm]

but that's just my imagination/speculation

[untold charm]

yeah I think after all this is over, Wano will be my top 2 or 3 arc

[undone holly]

Elbaf gonna have Joy Boy flash back, right?

[tired depot]

We do not know

[undone holly]

cause 99% sure of he's a Giant...

[untold charm]

we will see.... they'll definitely find the last road poneglyph there

[untold charm]

I agree with that too but it may also be that Joyboy was a mix between giants and human

and that's why he was able to rule over the giants and humans

[green cloud]

So you’re saying the chance of the member count decreasing is there 👀 I will miss Zoro ngl

[untold charm]

what I really wanna know is wtf is Enel up to now

[tired depot]

Woah woah woah. Let’s hold our horses here 😂

[untold charm]

he's in space now right with his Maxim?

[tired depot]

Zoro is just having a chat with the king of hell. He’ll be back

[untold charm]

Enel is one of the most powerful characters in my books. His mastery of all forms of haki and awakening his DF

[undone holly]

Enel is making new Lunarians whit the secret Kings mama

[untold charm]

lmfao

[green cloud]

Dudes DF literally revived him. Love his whole character design

[untold charm]

fr.... i hope Oda will find a great way to tie him back to the ending

[green cloud]

Id be already happy with another cover art

[untold charm]

but fr when do we get to see Luffy realizing Crocodile is his mom

[tired depot]

Two years in the moon sounds crazy. For all we know he’s probably back in in the White Sea. Preparing for something. All bullshit aside, what’s odas plan with him

[untold charm]

bruh it is fr

Ivankov hinted it and it kinda makes sense

[tired depot]

He hinted him being a woman not luffys mom lol

[untold charm]

Crocodile went through gender change because she probably felt her ambitions wouldn't come to fruition in a woman's body

and what a fucking sad reality Oda points out

and we're used to that kind of clarity coming from his storytelling

Oda has taught me a lot about racism and discrimination and corruptions in governments

its one anime that taught me more about the real world and how it runs than any other animation content I consumed

[green cloud]

Yeah i’m with you on that one. Oda created a deep deep emotional masterpiece

[untold charm]

resin resin

[green cloud]

I’m so stocked for next friday when Oda once again fucks over the whole community with something no one has thought about 😂

[untold charm]

hah i love being proved wrong

only when Oda does it though

[lean spade]

This actually makes sense because I was trying to figure out a substance that would contain some qualities of rubber but also the hardness that Luffy gets too

[untold charm]

hinting at Red hawk

[lean spade]

Would also tie into the theme of preserving the past through time.

[untold charm]

Resin catching on fire with friction

[lean spade]

Oh I didn’t even know that was a thing

[untold charm]

and how Luffy is able to change directions and shapes of his attacks by heating up via gear 2 and mixing with haki in gear 4

[green cloud]

If it really is resin, I would be so curious on how early on Oda was thinking of it.

[untold charm]

Snake man comes to mind

[green cloud]

I am looking forward to brook singing binks sake again so much.

[lean spade]

Maybe JoyBoy preserved something very important in resin

Could the red poneglyphs be resin made?

[untold charm]

I’m not sure how Luffy being resin and its implications to the ending. But, for now I’m just taking it at face value and saying it’s just an upgrade to his powers

[swift dagger]

maybe ever since they started talking about awakenings

in dressrosa

[lean spade]

If it weren’t that last panel where Luffy seems to melt & Zunesha’s statement, this wouldn’t seem like such a big deal besides a normal awakening

[pure raven]

Imu is luffy's mother, even imu doesn't know 😤,
She wanted to kill him when she gived birth to him but garp took him away and hide him in that island with Ace 😶

[haughty shale]

why would she even give birth to him if she wants to kill him

[wind marten]

Gum gum fruit model resin

[swift dagger]

resin

[rapid oxide]

Resin is more probable than world tree and wisdom king

[fierce shale]

Oda usually has a reason for funny things like Sanji being drawn weirdly on his wanted poster. So i’m thinking milk being able to instantly regenerate teeth for Luffy might be foreshadowing something to do with his devil fruit 😉

[gloomy canyon]

Guys, please go to #manga for this type of discourse, we want more serious and longer thought out theories in here

[mint prairie]

Read one message above. Try doing a longer write-up for your reasoning.

[acoustic helm]

Apologies

[undone holly]

Resin can be considered a logia type?

[mint prairie]

No worries, #manga and #also-manga are your go-to places for quick thoughts and lighter discussion.

[serene plume]

I think so cause look at luffy melting his body in the last chapter

[mint prairie]

There's three staff statements about the purpose of this channel right above you, @undone holly@serene plume.

[pure raven]

Guys why you think luffy may be logia type when we did read 1000 chapter that says otherwise

[acoustic helm]

Guys discuss this in #manga

[undone holly]

i'm sorry sir, was replying the theory up but forgot to do it properly.

[acoustic helm]

Or #also-manga

[pure raven]

Ok

[ember wigeon]

Guys I have the best theories bout imu gon take a while typing it

[hearty osprey]

[undone holly]

why rubber fits better in the descripton of a logia fruit and since the begin we put it on paremecia category? i belive Enel was the first person to point out that luffy is a '' mere paremecia user '' if am not wrong...

Paramecia is one of the three Devil Fruit types, being the most common. This type of Devil Fruit allows the consumer to achieve one of a large variety of abilities that enables them to become superhuman or perform a superhuman feat.

Logia is the rarest of the three Devil Fruit types. Those who have eaten a Logia fruit are granted the power to transform their body's composition into a natural element at will, as well as create and control it.[2]

where do Rubber and Resin fits better here??

what Luffys doing here all the time is changing his body, transforming it.

[royal fox]

Nah Luffy is different his body doesn't act like rubber

[fathom matrix]

I think son wukong can use electricity

[random prawn]

this is more of an idea than a theory but what if another level of Haki was like a mega projection that makes people be able to project their haki into a giant projection or weapon

[clear kraken]

Explain?

[lean spade]

Maybe Katakuri being a “special paramecia” and him mimicking Luffy’s move was a foreshadow of Luffy’s own progress

[gloomy canyon]

@random prawn keep it serious in here please

[topaz prawn]

theres a theory that gomu gomu no mi is a fake name for that fruit

[copper falcon]

I dont think resin is plausable tbh

[modest skiff]

Please don’t use this channel to make light conversation about who watched what. See channel description

[timber orbit]

Blackbeard definitely devoured his siblings and has 2 bodies. I really don’t feel like the Cereberus fruit is plausible for him

[topaz prawn]

Thats prolly not the case cus it would honestly suck

We trust in oda 🙏🏻

[lean spade]

There is some merit behind it though. Why was Kaido so eager to kill himself. Seems like a clue to Joy Boy’s awakening

[foggy gulch]

A simple explanation for kaidou saying "rubber shouldn't be able to that" after the hydra attack:
Luffy turn's his punches around with armament haki giving him somewhat control over the punches he throws.
And his awakening/gear 5 will be a full on fusion between his hiki/will and his devil fruit meaning he will make his heart beat as fast or as slow "that he looks like he's dead" and he will no longer need to hold his breath or pump his arm with air before attacking.

[toxic yew]

was that really a serious attempt?

[lean spade]

What do you mean? Part of Kaido’s story before he was introduced was that he was constantly trying to commit suicide

[topaz prawn]

He couldve asked big mom to kill him if thats rly what he wanted

[ember wigeon]

So as we know,Imu is one of the most mysterious characters in one piece, yet so hyped for how mysterious he is and just a couple of screen time,most of us knows that he is the most powerful and have the most power in WG and Navy, but we don’t know how powerful he is compared to the others, my theory is about the scene of the empty throne, 2 questions for oda, why are the gorosei (HIGHEST rank) of the WG BOWING for imu, and why is imu sitting on the empty throne (if you sit on it,your king of world).here is my theory, watch the video below first.When the goroseis are bowing down for imu, they say those specific words “Have u decided which lights to extinguish,from history This Time” now now he said this time? That means they had definitely eliminated other peoples before , they erased there existence, by the word extinguish. While ago before that scene, imu was looking at 4 posters, It was Luffy,BB,Vivi and shirahoshi , my guess that he said those names , no wonder all of a sudden luffy was being followed by CP0 and ordered to get killed as soon as possible! But why those 4? Because if u look closely , u will realize smt, they are the ancient weapons !
Vivi = Pluton( it was said in alabasta)
Bb = Uranus
Shirahoshi = Poseidon
and luffy cause prob imu knew he was gonna be the reincarnation

So she decides to kill them, they have the power of destruction, imu is probably from void century and fought with joyboy or was with joyboy, so imu is gonna eliminate those 4 exacte, but how tf does imu have that much power ? It’s crazy thinking about it , but yeah.

PLEASE read my theory and watch the video before reading!

Pls consider reading and telling me about your opinion

[toxic yew]

i will!!!! thanks man

[topaz prawn]

Aint momonosuke supposed to be one of the ancient weapons

[vapid minnow]

Blackbeard not an Ancient weapon

[toxic yew]

🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

[ember wigeon]

There would be no other explanation of why bb is in the 4 posters

[vapid minnow]

He’s just another Joyboy candidate

[ember wigeon]

Bru what he wasn’t even alive in void century

[vapid minnow]

Good D vs Bad D
Like Rayleigh said different conclusions will be reached at Laugh Tale

[molten oyster]

i have a question

who else think the gorosei are going to be the final boss against the strawhats? i think they are not only political, but powerfull physically too, they must have strong fruits and haki

[vapid minnow]

doubtful

[toxic yew]

i think a yter will make a video on this

[molten oyster]

and probably the gorosei are stronger or same level as marine admirals

[ember wigeon]

really? tysm man I really appreciate the thoughts!

[toxic yew]

dude, i want to hear more from you

[clear kraken]

Doffy said the same thing lol all luffy is doing is bouncing off the air

[ember wigeon]

I think imu is the strongest of WG and the final enemy he is getting bowed by the goroseis

[wet star]

How do you explain the fight against enel

[clear kraken]

We don’t know that and it’s likely not true

[ember wigeon]

💗

[toxic yew]

i feel oda would put at least one "cap" on him, what could that be?

[molten oyster]

do you think imu recieved ope ope's life cirurgy?