manga-theories

[weak finch]

Again, they know about the legendary df and it being renamed, not necessarily that it's Luffy's (at least until 1037)

[primal cargo]

I guess you've shown that it's not impossible, yeah
Still this whole thing feels like overinterpretation of wording

[sudden fulcrum]

and because it was renamed, luffy doesnt know the power he got in him

[abstract pond]

They didn't know that the heavily warded fruit that got stolen from them wasn't important until now?

[weak finch]

Yeah just trying to point out that it could be the other way and to be fair, it being this way kinda makes more sense and has less plotholes than Luffy suddenly being something else than rubber, although I don't know what Oda is going to pull

[abstract pond]

Again, this strategy only hurts the wg

[edgy viper]

Okay, that would then mean that:
First, the prior WG rewrote history to disconnect figure X from the Gomu Gomu no Mi, renaming the fruit in the history books
Second, they took posession of the Gomu Gomu no Mi
Third, whenever the encyclopedia was established, the reigning WG didn't feel the need to censor the Gomu Gomu no Mi fruit because by the time the encyclopedia was published (probably hundreds of years after the end of the VC in this case), nobody knew the Gomu Gomu no Mi was the fruit of historical person X
Fourth, 12 years before the current timeline the WG decides to transport the Gomu Gomu no Mi for whatever reason and Shanks steals it

That leaves me with one question:
If the fruit was locked in a safe for centuries, who took the picture and who named it Gomu Gomu? Are we assuming the encyclopedia is published by the WG?

[weak finch]

The df was under their protection and did not awaken for centuries, not really

[severe wedge]

G.o.m.u. stands for hmm

[sudden fulcrum]

its possible the same old WG published the books as part of layering and misinformation since 800 years ago

[severe wedge]

God mu....

[abstract pond]

So they were protecting something and knew it was very important but didn't have any idea of what it really was?

[severe wedge]

God monkey u...

[weak finch]

I don't know if the encyclopedia comes from the WG but it might have existed before any of this happened, though IDK

[split hornet]

Might be a mythical fruit then after all, since yamatos fruit is also a deity so could luffys

[abstract pond]

This leading to not trying to recover it, helping...Luffy

[primal cargo]

The original discussion goes
"Impossible ! That fruit is nothing but a legend, even to us. Nobody has been able to Awaken it in centuries !

• Then why did the World Government give that Devil Fruit another name ?
• It was to erase the fruit's name from history, wasn't it ?"
  The idea of "hiding" the fruit's name is only in the english translation

[abstract pond]

This would make the WG more stupid than Queen

[severe wedge]

Eraser Luffy

[sudden fulcrum]

luffy was also a kid until recently.. so maybe they didnt know.. ? also to engage with shanks will be suicide if they wanted to balance the power

[severe wedge]

Eraser fruit used and they forget the name of fruit

[edgy viper]

The picture is what beats me
Because there's two options
A) encyclopedia was made during or before the VC. That explains why the Gomu Gomu has a picture, but then why wasn't it renamed by the same people that renamed it in history books?
B) encyclopedia is younger than VC. If the WG had the fruit in their posession all along, that would then mandate the encyclopedia being.published by the WG. I don't see why they would do that

If we forfeit the idea that the WG had the fruit in their posession for centuries your idea makes more sense I feel like

[abstract pond]

Not even when Luffy fought Lucci in he middle of Ennies Lobby one of the most important wg parts?

[severe wedge]

😭

[abstract pond]

It is just the WG sabotaging itself for no reason. Imu or the Five elders at least should have this knowledge passed by their predecessors

[sudden fulcrum]

at that point luffy was already at the center of attention i suppose. which was why they were out trying to eliminate him at sabaody

[edgy viper]

@weak finch Have you ever considered the fact that Skypieans don't know the substance "Rubber" in your reasonings? If we think your proposition through til the end, why would you try to strike a fruit's name from history rather than the user's name?

[sudden fulcrum]

im also just riding on pringles' theory ;p

[slate mirage]

But how does it line up with Who's who s words? He was punished for not guarding it properly, so they must have known it was a special df,right?

[severe wedge]

Pringles believes to my theories. He is also god tier Theorist

[weak finch]

Yeah it kinda makes sense for it to be made before if we comply to this theory

[severe wedge]

Maybe is there a translation error?

[abstract pond]

More reason Luffy shouldn't have survived. And they knew he went to gyojin island and didn't pursue him.

[severe wedge]

Maybe it's all planned by shanks

[weak finch]

Why Skypieans in particular? I mean, there are other reasons for that as well, like Luffy has always displayed rubber abilities since the start. When Shanks took Luffy's arm, he stretched. When Luffy is in water, he is still rubber. That's the property he displays passively so I'm just arguing it's likely he's still rubber and the df was renamed in the history annals. Both options are possible

[severe wedge]

Over godly future seeing haki

[sudden fulcrum]

so prior to them piecing everything together until 1037, they may have not known yet

[abstract pond]

They have known Luffy has the gomu gomu fruit for years

[empty narwhal]

Still not over the fact that WG is just making a move on Luffy's DF NOW, they had so many encounters with him previously like marineford etc. and they didnt give a damn about him

[sudden fulcrum]

yah but going back, they dont know that the gomu gomu is the legendary fruit

[abstract pond]

And that's the main issue with the theory. Not the Five Elders nor Imu gave a fuck about it.

[weak finch]

at least there is nothing saying otherwise and they seemed to be pretty much shocked and surprised in 1037

[sudden fulcrum]

because in the history books it was written as something else. hence they wouldnt have linked them together

[abstract pond]

They wrote the history books

[sudden fulcrum]

not they, their ancestors

[severe wedge]

Nobody cares my theories but one day I will laugh at to those people like Noland. Bye for now

[weak finch]

exactly and the ancestors erased that information from the history annals

[abstract pond]

Their ancestors didn't think that giving important information to your successors was probably helpful?

[sudden fulcrum]

because at that point in time, it was the best way forward?

[weak finch]

Why do you think they erased what happened during the void century?

[sudden fulcrum]

also that ^

[abstract pond]

To the rest of the world not to themselves.

[severe wedge]

It's erased with erase erase no mi

[primal cargo]

Let's say captain something awakened the Gum Gum fruit in the past to do a big bad thing, and the WG wanted to hide the fact that the Gum-Gum fruit could do that thing. And they had the power to control history for their benefit. Why in the name of fuck would they not just remove the event entirely from history ?

[weak finch]

I think there are limits to that, maybe some people were still aware of the legend and they just renamed it. Or maybe it's a weapon and they renamed it into Uranus for instance? I don't know, there could be many reasons

[severe wedge]

Erase erase no mi can erase law of world so that's why Luffy is rubber like. Normally body can't become like Luffys body

[primal cargo]

Nobody renamed anything into Uranus though. The Ancient Weapons are not in history. They are part of the forbidden history of 800 years ago

[abstract pond]

If it was erased, how can they know they had to guard the fruit? And how they know it was the legendaey fruit? Wasnt that erased? Jow can they know?

[sudden fulcrum]

maybe 72 stretches = the length of redline and luffy has the ability to rub himself on everyone

[edgy viper]

What I'm trying to say is that I always found it interesting that Skypieans don't know rubber. Makes me think that if Gomu Gomu was indeed the original name, maybe the WGs reasoning was to obscure the very existence of a substance called "rubber" (for whatever reason, that line of thought basically depends entirely on what Luffys awakening is and what he can do with it)

[primal cargo]

Well that hasn't worked out very well then

[abstract pond]

They had to be in some way in history if Ohara historians could learn it.

[weak finch]

I mean @primal cargo we don't know what happened during the void century but people still know a guy named JoyBoy existed and we also know about sun god Nika, there are "legends" that are being told and people are aware of certain things

[severe wedge]

Probably users not effect some people or if u touch them they know what happens.

[weak finch]

oh that's also a good take, they could obscure the existence of rubber itself

[abstract pond]

Them some knew but didn't tell their successors so it could come and bite them in the ass later

[sudden fulcrum]

just like boomers crashing the world economy

came back and bite them in the ass with no healthcare. ?

[weak finch]

Not necessarily, it could have been guarded without anyone knowing, just because it was in their possession but the fact it was guarded by CP9 implies it was in possession of the WG during all this time

[severe wedge]

What happen to cp8 7 6 5 ....

[weak finch]

they are ducks

[pure raven]

Is it possible to send here a link to a Reddit post with a One Piece theory?

[edgy viper]

Obviously you can't keep the entirety of humanity from discovering rubber forever
In a span of 800 years they would surely do it
But obscuring the materials' existence at least gives you a headstart. Also if whatever you can do with rubber is super-duper-dangerous, after 200 or 300 years people have probably forgot you could that super-duper-dangerous thing

I admit this is incredibly wonky tho

[primal cargo]

CP9 is an incredibly important organisation. You don't send CP9 on an errand. So there is something about the Gum-Gum fruit that makes is extremely special to the eyes of the WG, even without the "legendary fruit" aspect.

[weak finch]

yes of course

[severe wedge]

Rubber also poisonous

[weak finch]

Not necessarily, they just guarded a devil fruit and keeping a devil fruit is already a very important task. Although they could also be aware of it being the legendary df, we don't know anything about that anyway

[severe wedge]

If someone eat Luffy they get poisoned 🤢

[pure raven]

Here it is, 100% original from me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/szufdl/the_one_piece_world_corresponds_to_the_celestial/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[severe wedge]

New member and tells him theory. I think it's not urs

[abstract pond]

So, either in 800 years guarding the fruit nobody asked why. Or recently they searched for the fruit for no slreason and ordered to keepnit safe for no reason. Because they didn't even know it was important.

[pure raven]

read it and then tell me if you have read it before elsewhere

[severe wedge]

Bind ur account to this discord

[umbral bay]

law getting awakened

[primal cargo]

Devil Fruits are important alright but there are nonetheless dozens of them in the hands of the WG. I don't think it's worth sending CP9. It's certainly not worth firing your best or second best CP9 agent for failing.
The simple fact that Oda brought this topic to the table this late in the story, is an obvious call that the Gum-Gum fruit is special, and was special already 12 years ago.

[slate mirage]

But why was he so harshly punished ,If the WG didn't know that gomu gomu no mi was special ?

[twin widget]

if it really was legendary, it’d be an admiral guarding it

[edgy viper]

Anyway in regard to who had the Gomu Gomu no Mi in the last centuries
I don't think the WG had it. I think it circulated like all other DFs and 12 years ago the WG got their hands on it. We know from Kaku and Kalifa that fruits are incredibly hard to come by, even for the WG, and losing one in and of itself warrants imprisonment I believe.

The other option I could see is that the WG had the fruit for centuries and actually had people eat it for scientific purposes, but nobody ever managed to awaken it

But as long as we do not know where the encyclopedia came from I don't think it was locked up for centuries for reasons I described

[abstract pond]

Maybe I'm giving too much credit to the wg because Ope Ope fruit had billions for reward and yet Law is there doing whatever he wants.

[edgy viper]

You remember our convo about how the Bari Bari and the Clone Clone fruits were both eaten by East Blue citizens?
At the end of the day the important part could've still been the fruits' origin and not what it actually does

[knotty marsh]

Do you guys think shanks was the one who ratted luffy to gorosei?

[weak finch]

it is special and they may be aware of it as I said

[abstract pond]

Nope

[primal cargo]

Idk how I feel about this. One Piece is 1000 chapters long, there are hundreds of celestial objects with names that relate to real life or fictional things. Of course there's going to be some stuff that overlaps, doesn't mean it's a conscious choice by the author

[knotty marsh]

what if the reason why WG are hoarding DF is they dont know which one was the legendary fruit because no one awakened it, thats why its only now that they noticed the powers luffy have slowly transitioning to that fruit, idk, lol my 2 cents

[pure raven]

If you take a map of the kind I mention you would change your mind, there are too many straightforward coincidences to think they are accidental

Then yes, something of what I posted may be “overanalytical”

Who did Big Mom refer to here "He is a good for nothing, dont trust him" ?

whitebeard?

[abstract pond]

Rocks

[edgy viper]

@weak finch I'ma leave this thought here for later, because I need to check whether I'm telling BS
But IIRC the device the four automata used to get to the moon in Enel's cover story were called "rubber balloons". Later in the cover story, on the painting on the moon wall, you see the three winged races descending from the moon using very similar looking balloons

There could be something with rubber, moon people and flying devices here. Heck maybe in OP-universe rubber is an extraterrestrial substance lol

[weak finch]

ayo this may explain why the df is legendary because with it, you are insanely free

[edgy viper]

I need to do some errands now, can I write you a PM later when I've gathered the panels?

Shit always gets lost in this channel

[weak finch]

also @edgy viper this also means that gomu gomu no mi = Uranus (Uranus is the god of sky), imagine if Oda pulls this off by just it being balloons

[edgy viper]

Uranus is the fucking Hindenburg

[pure raven]

probably momo is uranus

[weak finch]

man we are into something

[weak finch]

Nah I don't think so or Kaido would be Uranus

[pure raven]

luffy should be joyboy

[weak finch]

He can be JoyBoy and Uranus, both of them are not mutually exclusive

[pure raven]

god of the sky, momo is a dragon now

[knotty marsh]

theres no other option or else 20 years of hyped is going to be wasted if joyboy is not luffy, its like saying naruto will not become hokage

[pure raven]

i don't see uranus related to luffy

[weak finch]

and so is Kaido.. this is not an argument

[pure raven]

but kaido maybe doesn't have voice of all things

[weak finch]

Uranus doesn't have to have VoAT

[pure raven]

we don't know that

[primal cargo]

I do have a map of the sky, still looks like a simple list of celestial objects that can be loosely connected to places in the One Piece world.
It's still more than enough to make an Ohara video, don't worry about that

Like I'm sure you could make anything work, especially if we're getting stars, nebula, galaxies etc involved
Especially seeing how you weren't able to get every island into your theory.
If your theory was true, it would mean Oda has been looking at the sky from the very start of One Piece and deciding which island to draw next based on what celestial objects are near ; if that was true it wouldn't be so hard to find the connections I think

[pure raven]

nevermind ohara, try taking both hemispheres and tracing a path of the correspondences I have listed and see they are in a sequence

[pure raven]

And also, the stars I have taken into account are only the most popular, there is no deep research and forced matchings

I’ll give you an example: by looking at the map left to right, isn’t it too much of a coincidence that there is a sequence gemini - red line (sun) - whale - stars related to pyramids?

[primal cargo]

Look I understand what your theory is. You were able to roughly draw a route along the Milky Way with your island connections.
But of course you're going to succeed in drawing that route if that's what you want to do. Just gotta stretch the requirement for what constitutes a valid connection.

Twin Cape = Gemini stars, namely Castor and Pollux (straightforward);

Laboon = Whale constellation (straightforward);
See here you made two connections to the same place because it was easy

Punk Hazard = Serpens Cauda, Serpens Caput and Ophiuchus constellations (clear reference to Zoro cutting in half Vegapunk's dragon (Serpens is Snake in Latin) and to the net splitting of the PH island.);
Here you made a bs connection because you couldn't find anything good

I don't mean to be rude it's just not very consistent imo

[pure raven]

Twin cape and Laboon aren’t the same thing… (Gemini means Twins). Punk Hazard connection is somehow particular but very precise. Then, of course, this is nothing but another theory

[primal cargo]

I can give you that maybe the Twin Capes is a reference to Gemini being at the intersection of the Milky Way and the Ecliptic. That's a cool idea. But it's not the same thing as saying there's a pattern along the entirety of One Piece

After all I don't really know a reason why that place had to be the twin cape

[pure raven]

You know, I started to see this whole picture right from twin capes just as you are doing now… then I went on

[primal cargo]

What's your argument for Fishman Island then ? If there really is a conscious effort by Oda then surely he would have done it again for the other intersection. But Pisces is nowhere near it. It should have been Centaur island or something

[pure raven]

isn’t also curious that at the end of my picture there is Lodestar?
And that at the end of Grand Line there is Lodestar?

pisces and acquarius overlap to the ecliptic, but yes the path is linear but not smooth

I’m ok there are some “ambiguous” points about this otherwise I would call it a spoiler

[chilly path]

Reasons I think Laugh Tale is a sky island:

• lodestar island is said to send the logpose spinning in all directions, this would make sense if the direction was directly up.
• it tied Skypeia in really well which then sets up the sky islands to stop laugh tale feeling like an ass pull. And also ties it in well with the sun god.
• explains why somebody with wings couldn’t just fly over and see it, and why they wouldn’t be looking up because most people consider the sky islands to be a myth.
• the sunny is shown flying through the sky in the latest intro

[vapid minnow]

that’s actually very interesting, it would make sense as to why there’s significance with the moon as well. I can see this as a possibility

[chilly path]

Yeah, Oda has set up lots of sky imagery generally - the sun god, things with the moon as you said and even the Lunarians could be tied in somehow

[primal cargo]

Do we really need Laugh Tale to not feel like an ass pull ? I sure hope the location is surprising in some way

[chilly path]

Well maybe that’s the wrong way to describe it, but Oda doesn’t need to waste loads of time setting up the logistics of how a sky island works and how the White Sea works at such a crucial time in the story where we’re reaching Laugh Tale

Admittedly it’s a weaker reason than the others but it just ties in with Skypiea nicely which had a lot of lore surrounding events that will likely tie back in at a laugh tale with the sun god

[flat locust]

Does anyone support the Crocomom theory?? For those who haven't heard this one before , its a theory abt Crocodile being Luffy's mom.
{ Yeah i said that , just joined crazy gang heard the theory , read abt it , and shit i cant dismiss it a 100% }

[tawdry bramble]

It’s the worst theory in One piece.

[tribal wedge]

it makes sense but no sense at the same time. Watch Ohara's vid on it if you havent already

[flat locust]

Yeah i just watched it thinking why is Ohara putting nonsense on his channel and then was like .. shit it isnt entirely dismissable

[fossil surge]

big meme is yamato mom?

[tribal wedge]

i bet all these clues are red herrings for something bigger about crocodile.

[late token]

I mean I truly believe croco was a woman before but I don’t believe a single bit that he might be luffys mother ^^

[flat locust]

Dont think so , she kinda control her kids with a iron fist.. and if kaido was still a apprentice , she could've taken yamato with her..

[fossil surge]

tru

[flat locust]

Yeah , though ohara's last bit , abt why Crocodile suddenly changed sides is kinda intresting.. his reaction was offscreen abt luffy being dragon's child , and he changed sides after that.. Even fought Akainu , the toughest of navy.. why...

[late token]

Always took that as plot armor ^^ + luffy kinda saved him from a life imprisoned in impel down

[flat locust]

" cause i dont want sengoku to have pleasure of killing luffy " - thats what he said... Sounds shitty excuse to fight the guy who punched hole through Whitebeard..

[flat locust]

& he still was against them the whole fight , even attacked Whitebeard befire hearing the news..🤔

[late token]

But wasn’t that his only move „against“ them? I mean attacking WB. After that he didn’t do anything against them or am I missing smth ^^

I don’t think he ever was on WB Side but he was on luffys side the whole Marineford and impel down saga

[flat locust]

Noops you're right i think , still he didn't have that 'friendly vibe' after impel down, + he saw luffy n wb on same side still attacked.. and after newswas openly friend to luffy ...

That aside wano is going places didn't expect op to bring out zunisha like that :P

[late token]

Yeah last chapter was lit again can’t wait for the next one. Hopefully kaido flashbacks with rocks

[strange robin]

Is momo joyboy

[wanton needle]

No he’s Odens son

[barren yacht]

My guess gomu gomu no mi was on laugh tale Roger ate it wg got it after Roger died that's y they were protecting it but they didn't know that it was actually a legendary devil fruit that Roger got from laugh tale

[weak arrow]

@late token we don’t allow comparisons from other series

[strange robin]

i hope roger is like shanks

no df

do you think zoro will have to fight enma in his head to master the sword

[worthy belfry]

he already mastered enma

[strange robin]

what i mean by mastered is turning enma into a black blade

i think zoro's weakest sword needs an upgrade

maybe someone can make it better so that it becomes a higher grade sword

[worthy belfry]

sword most likely to become black blade would be zoro wada ichimonji , as it is closest to him

[strange robin]

i think mihawk sword will break after zoro and mihawk's final clash

brook should be the second strongest swordsman at the end of the series

[worthy belfry]

why ?

[strange robin]

because he's a swordsman from luffy's crew

if zoro becomes the strongest swordsman, he should be the second strongest swordsman

[worthy belfry]

brooke is not known for his swordman skills , rather his devil fruit powers , the underworld stuff , in new world he just use sword to cast his ability only

[strange robin]

he needs armament haki

[worthy belfry]

zoro is already good swordsman , brooke might become a grim reaper like devil fruit person

[strange robin]

idk how luffy's crew will surpass shanks' crew

only a few knows haki

[worthy belfry]

shanks crew would die to blackbeard then luffy would avenge them thus surpass them without fighting them directly

[strange robin]

would be bad writing ngl

would ruin their hype

[worthy belfry]

or fight using pirate games like foxy pirats

don’t think there would be serious fight between shanks and luffy unless shanks is later found to be evil which is highly unlikely

[strange robin]

luffy should learn advanced advanced conqueror haki and applying conqueror haki to obsevration haki from shanks

[mellow basalt]

Need more Davyback fights 💯💯

[worthy belfry]

yup imagine straw hats vs red hair Davy jones fights epic

[strange robin]

when do you think zoro will surpass benn beckman

[pale laurel]

I think a db fight could be fun and all, but I don't see why Shanks or Luffy would challenge each other to that

Shanks wouldn't want to trade crew members

[worthy belfry]

bcoz serious battle is unlikely

[pale laurel]

and Shanks ought to be part of an exciting story

[strange robin]

bb have two yonko levels on his crew

luffy should learn awakening in shanks arc

maybe a df user from elbaf can help him

does anyone think the gorosei are actually strong

admiral level at least

[pale laurel]

they might be strong, but their artistic design doesn't suggest they will be fighters

[strange robin]

i think the world government needs stronger fighters for the final war

luffy would be way stronger than the admirals by that point

i want to see garp, shanks and dragon vs imu

3v1

i think bb will be the last villain luffy fights before he finds one piece but not the final vilain of the series

[split glacier]

Who are the two?

[strange robin]

Himself and aokiji

Zoro and sanji should fight admirals next

[late token]

Don’t think aokiji is a real ally of BB though. More like a rat

[strange robin]

Maybe he is working with the revolutionary army

[vale leaf]

Man I love aokiji

[strange robin]

Aokiji should teach luffy awakening

[vale leaf]

no that's not happening

[late token]

That’s more likely. I hope he works with s.w.o.r.d. though

[strange robin]

Revolutionary army seems weaker than a yonko crew

[vale leaf]

also that's not hapennig

[late token]

I think they are not really the type to fight 1v1 but more tactical

[strange robin]

Mera mera no mi didn’t seem to make sabo much stronger. It just gave him the ability to use fire

[vale leaf]

Whitebeard crew looked also looked weak at the beginning

[strange robin]

who is the Rayleigh of wb crew?

[late token]

Marco

[strange robin]

But Rayleigh blocked him with one finger

[vale leaf]

That's because marco is not dark king

[late token]

In the Anime yeah but not manga. And Marco was like 14 back then

[vale leaf]

Really he looked like an adult

[strange robin]

I think Marco can beat bb before he got gura gura no mi because bb even lost to Magellan lol

And got speed blitzed by gear 2 luffy

[vale leaf]

No Magellan is strong

[late token]

Yeah powerscaling makes no sense in one piece I don’t think you can calculate someone’s strength by who they lost or won to

[strange robin]

But bb fruit is supposed to cancel out df tho

Why didn’t bb use the giant darkness energy ball against Magellan

[late token]

Not enough prep time

[strange robin]

Oh do you think doflamjngo and Katakuri can beat bb before he got gura gura no mi

[late token]

Depends ^^ that’s the thing about one piece it always depends on the circumstances etc.

[strange robin]

I think they can counter the giant darkness energy ball with df awakening. They can turn the entire ground to string or mochi and they won’t run out of string or mochi

[late token]

We will never know unless oda decides to draw that ^^

[strange robin]

If I was in one piece, I would choose aokiji fruit because it works well with armament haki. Black ice. Enel fruit is also good because it works well with observation haki

[late token]

Only based in battle ability? I would choose sugars fruit then ^^

[strange robin]

Lol

[late token]

But overall i would love to have a fruit that makes me fly like a bird zoan

[strange robin]

Do you think there is another level to advanced conqueror haki? I think shanks can shoot out black lightning and use it offensively using advanced advanced conqueror haki

[late token]

Or the fruit of absalom so I can sneak everywhere

[late token]

yeah I think there is another level. Shanks damaged white beards ship without touching it just with his coc pressure

[strange robin]

Yeah. What if shanks can use armament haki on the environment? Imagine if he hides behind a wall and use armament haki on it to strengthen it

[late token]

But that is already possible isn’t it? Zoro can put armament into his swords, izo can put it into his bullets and kuja pirates can put it into their arrows. So I guess they can already out armament into a wall ^^

[strange robin]

i see. Imagine if shank used armament haki on the water. He can stand on water lol

[late token]

Haha that would be fun ^^ but don’t know if it works like that with water

Water is always kinda special in one piece

[strange robin]

yeah

imagine if benn beckman can make bullets explode using haki

and make it change directions

[slate mirage]

Is there a chance that Rocks was Roger's mentor,or the one who inspired him to become pirate?

[blissful canopy]

maybe

but if that was true
that would set up good to luffy and shanks too

maybe and koby helps him take down shanks

[strange robin]

coby should get a logia

any chances of enel helping luffy in the final war?

[blissful canopy]

coby i dont think will get a df except if the orange crab theory comes true
because in my opinion koby idk how to say
inherits the will of garp if that makes sense
lel just my thoughts

[pure raven]

I don’t think we’d ever see enel fight with luffy, doubt he’ll ever even be back tbh

[strange robin]

i think koby will surpass shanks

[pure raven]

coby solid haki no df

[willow idol]

what is the orange crab theory

[pure raven]

he train under grap, definitely no df i guess

wait, can we talk about this topic here, would this for theories ?

[blissful canopy]

i think yeah

[tribal wedge]

it was probably ODEN

[blissful canopy]

we are talking about the future one piece soo yeah ig lel

[strange robin]

before oden

[tribal wedge]

no one

[blissful canopy]

isnt marco supposed to be that???

[strange robin]

marco was too young and too weak

[pure raven]

yea he is

[tribal wedge]

marco is nowhere near peak rayleigh level anywhere

[pure raven]

roger and rayleigh average 30s that time

[strange robin]

how did kidd and law learn haki without a mentor? Did they just beat a haki user in the new world and force them to teach them haki?

[blissful canopy]

no i dont mean in power level i meant in like position

[tribal wedge]

not worth stressing about lol

[strange robin]

lol

[tribal wedge]

i was really discussing when WB and Roger had a fight who would match up with rayleigh

[chilly path]

You don’t need a teacher to learn it, but Luffy’s Haki is far and away above their’s which is because of his training with Rayleigh

[strange robin]

i see

how did roger and garp beat a crew with 1 pirate king level and 3 yonko levels?

[chilly path]

Like neither of them are displaying the ability to manipulate Haki to the extent Luffy can where he integrates it into his gear 4

[strange robin]

and then a few years later, one of those yonko is now as strong as roger lol

[chilly path]

Because Kaido, big mom and whitebeard were young and Roger and Garp were at their peak

But it’s still crazy…

[strange robin]

how did wb quickly reached roger's level tho

[late token]

Family

[strange robin]

tbh i think current bm is not in her prime

[blissful canopy]

indeed lel

[strange robin]

i think shanks was the strongest in marineford

enel's fruit is wasted

it has so much potential

[bright trench]

after reading the chapter... how probably can be Zunesha taking down Kaido at the end sending him flying far away from Onigashima?

[silk cosmos]

Jack has a some what similar height to Kaido. And Zunesha send Jack absolutely flying ✈️
So I guess it’s somewhat safe to assume that if Zunesha attacks Kaido (which is rather unlikely imo), he’ll be kicked away in a safe distance.
The only difference will be that Kaido, unlike Jack, won’t be injured by that “punch”.
Ofc that changes if he makes use of his df.

[strange robin]

do we know how jack survived in water? I just assumed that he was just too strong so he didn't drown.

[bright trench]

the thing is, what order Zunesha is waiting for? So it can be free from the cursed?

[silk cosmos]

I think the popular theory is that he is a fishman

[strange robin]

is it confirmed?

[silk cosmos]

Am not certain about it

[sly juniper]

it is

that he's a fishman, that is

[silk cosmos]

🤷‍♂️

[kind gate]

Yes

[kind gate]

So it can fight for momo, it’s loyal to him

[thorny wedge]

GUYS WEIRD THEORY

the tall masked afro cp-0 guy reminds me a lot of that one shandian from Skypia who was friends with Noland

if u look at the most recent chapter, u can see the similarity

i dont have image perms otherwise i would post

[strange robin]

oh

[pure raven]

post it elsewhere in diff channel and link message here i think it's interesting, would be even mo0re dope if we see some conection between shandria and king in the final stage of wano

[heady parrot]

probably needs momo to tell zunesha to attack like he did with jack. otherwise zunesha just gonna sit there and take the cannon balls that will inevitably be fired.

[muted ember]

Roger and WB about the same age they should have been about the same level back then

[muted ember]

He's a Fishman

[thorny wedge]

spoiler for 1041->||well it looks like he is badly injured in the last chapter||

[pure raven]

yeah for a millenium old elephant he zunny boy seems to have no mind of his own

[pure raven]

1041 is out, no need to spoiler tag it also who is ingured ? Izo yes ?

[thorny wedge]

no, the guy who holds the mask

what channel should i send the pannel to?

[pure raven]

send it to #also-manga , ah i see yea

[dark palm]

you can send it here mate

[thorny wedge]

not letting me

[dark palm]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[chilly path]

Wait what?!? Roger and Garp were early 40s right? I guess that actually would make sense. Jesus. Then wow… that was already an impressive feat and that is even more crazy…

[thorny wedge]

there, thank you 🙂

[pure raven]

ah also can u share panel / image of who he looks like

[thorny wedge]

ok

[twin widget]

wait wb isn’t stronger than roger?

i have been lied to by the wb lovers

[thorny wedge]

the hairs just a little shorter, maybe he needed a trim

[tribal wedge]

??????????

[grizzled fog]

No, they’re equals

[chilly path]

They’re referring to the discussion of how Garp and Roger held off a crew containing three future Yonko and Rocks all on their own when WB alone was conceivably in his prime as he was roughly the same age as Garp and Roger

[grizzled fog]

Garp and roger weren’t alone, wb wasn’t likely in his prime, neither were Garp and roger. Too many unknown factors

[chilly path]

Kaido was presumably pretty scrubbish at that age as he didn’t come into his own until later, but BM, WB and Rocks must have been really decent

How were they not prime? Roger and Garp were 40ish

[grizzled fog]

Their age doesn’t really determine their primes. We know that Garp had to train to beat Chinjao about 10 years after that however

[chilly path]

Remind me who Chinjao is again?

[grizzled fog]

Pointy head pirate from dressrosa, who Garp once beat

[chilly path]

And yeah OP is quite loose with age and ability related to age so you’re right, too many variables

[chilly path]

Ooooh right

Regardless, still an impressive showing from them if we take it at face value atm

[hollow yarrow]

Sup ya'll

[grizzled fog]

Absolutely, it’s still a legendary event, there’s just so many unknown factors

[hollow yarrow]

Since BM gave kaido his DF think its a possibility she gave WB his? Wonder if he even had it at the time

[sharp sand]

Do you guys think luffy will get gear5 to defeat kaido or an awakening

[chilly path]

Not sure… I feel like he’s already got so much that ACoC needs to be the thing that he relies on or else he’s got so much this arc

[hollow yarrow]

I think his awakening might result in a new gear. I personally dont think they need to be separate

[pure raven]

u are right maybe that cp 0 memeber is one of the skypieans and knows about king and his origins too

[chilly path]

It’s pretty crazy to think that somebody at some point during the history of the One Piece world experimented with a CoC infused nut

[strange robin]

Gear 4

[pure raven]

what disappoints me is in BM vs Law n Kid fight, BM did not use her soul in creative ways, fixing her bones, recovering, homies yes but soul soul no mi must be way more interesting than that fr, look at how Law uses his df. Any theories on why BM was did not do that ?

[strange robin]

Gear 5 will be the best gear because it’s awakening. He can use it in base easily like doflamingo and Katakuri

[chilly path]

Oda couldn’t think of other ways…

[strange robin]

Did law use armament haki on his awakening

[chilly path]

Oda is notorious for not pushing certain fruits to the same limits as others where he has an abundance of ideas (Luffy/Law etc)

[strange robin]

Yami Yami no awakening and gravity fruit awakening will be overpowered

[pure raven]

hmmmm true tho but damn I was expecting all kinds of plot twists like the amazing awakening reveal when luffy vs mingo, like the future sight reveal when luffy v kata etc ...

[native turret]

i thought the same thing at first

[strange robin]

Why doesn’t luffy use future sight to predict what kaido will say

[native turret]

he can only sense the intent of the words

[pale laurel]

BM has more powers than most other characters. Her display was impressive and scary enough for me

[strange robin]

He can see visions

[chilly path]

Yeah realistically speaking a pirate as established as BM should have at least as many moves as Luffy does with his fruit.

[strange robin]

Like in the prison in wano

[native turret]

eh i see that as more of a narrative device

[strange robin]

If Rayleigh, shanks and mihawk have future sight, they already knew what characters would say before they even speak lol. I imagine mihawk already predicted zoro’s speech after zoro lost to him

[chilly path]

[pale laurel]

Big Mom can take the life span of other people and use it to create homies, which can take almost any shape and have any ability, which means she can fly, shoot lightning and fire and have Misery haunt her foes. She has plenty of powers

[pure raven]

yes yes ! after all we had CoC for kaido i mean his ultimate power up rn is coating with conq haki so that's decent enough from kaido side as a yonko but BM eh well, let's just look forward to plot twists with Shanks for now, maybe we will also see some kidd vs shanks then and know ...

[chilly path]

The thing with Big Mom is that she’s practically the same level as Kaido but the story hasn’t been kind to her

But she could stomp 99.9% of people that have ever existed in One Piece

[pure raven]

well she is a yonko after all

[strange robin]

can bm give her soul to a df

[pale laurel]

interesting question

[native turret]

okay so no new g4 form confirmed

g5 incoming

[pale laurel]

I would think that she can turn a devil fruit into a homie

[strange robin]

yeah

[ornate dew]

Gum Gum fruit awakening = monkey king?

[kind canopy]

new theory: franky turns zoro into a cyborg

[strange robin]

if luffy awakens his df, he can beat shanks

bouncy world + gear 4 + AACoA + ACoC + future sight vs shanks

[thorny wedge]

Yh it is possible

[thorny wedge]

Yeah, they are really similar

[pure raven]

so

wahts the deal with monosoke is sm here

[glass flicker]

Luffy fruit isn't rubber its rubber man fruit

[thorny wedge]

no i think it was lost in translation. Gumo Gumo no mi is not the name of his fruit. it is Condom Condom no mi

he is the condom man unlike me

[split slate]

It took 2 supernova to stop her, Kaido probably will be stopped by only 1 supernova. And Big Mom was ejected from the island, no confirmation she was knocked out

[pure raven]

Was the hydra move a new move?

[heady parrot]

I have a feeling X Drake is about to show us the first confirmed transformation into an awakened zoan form. We never saw the jailer beasts other forms, they were just always awakened. So we never got to see the transformation itself. With the actual transformation I feel like we’ll get some more info and confirmation on what awakened zoans are exactly and it may be the first of many zoan awakenings we see just with X Drakes info dump of one as the intro.

He is a member of the worst generation and we’ve already had two worst generation members that sided with Luffy awaken thus far.

Plus with how bad of a shape he’s in, right now would be the time to awaken even if there’s some huge caveat to it that’s stopped other zoans from using it this arc.

Sword vs Shield Round 2 incoming but this time the dino’s gonna awaken

[odd plinth]

idk man i feel like kaido is gonna awaken pretty soon. Hes pissed off and getting beat up and im pretty sure one of things to awaken is to be close to death which kaido has never been before

[deft dagger]

Ancient and myth awakening might be different or hard to do

Cause they are strong by itself

[odd plinth]

ya

but i doubt the strongest zoan user in existence isnt gonna be able to awaken

[strange robin]

Roger’s sword is a supreme grade even though it isn’t a black blade whereas mihawk sword only became a supreme grade after becoming a black blade. Imagine if roger’s sword became a black blade.

[quartz fiber]

What do you think a zoan awakening would look like?

[strange robin]

Increased strength, speed, durability and regeneration

What would a logia awakening be?

[pure raven]

no gear 5

only way there is a gear 5 is by Luffy calling his awakening gear 5

he's had his fruit for 10 plus years, it's time for an awakening

[abstract snow]

Troo

[deft dagger]

Yea that mayb why roger and wb cant make it black blade cause changing a supreme grade to black might be very hard and if they do that it might be the strongest sword

Shusui might also be a lower grade sword originally and ryuma changed its grade

[wild turret]

Guess we gota wait for next chapter and we will see

[heady parrot]

i think they’ll look like what we saw with the jailer beasts for the most part with insane durability, recovery speed, etc but at the cost of their willpower with the spirit of the zoan “taking over” in some sense which i think would explain why we haven’t seen it yet. for kaido that would be hard to imagine so i wouldn’t be surprised if mythical zoans have something that augments their special ability.

i think x drake, on the brink of death and about to enter round 2 with a cp0 agent, may resort to using his awakening even if it robs him of his free will. it would continue the trend of worst generation members that have sided with luffy awakening in onigashima.

[shadow ruin]

Similar to Con D. Oriano?

[heady parrot]

his awakening, as a user of the ryuu ryuu no mi, may even be kind of like a prelude to kaidos awakening which i think would be next.

[heady parrot]

i knew someone irl named shrike prolly not you tho just kinda funny

[shadow ruin]

In all seriousness I like where you’re going with the theories here

[heady parrot]

even if the lone cp0 agent gets to luffy, and somehow avoids anymore fighting along the way, the 5 elder stars have still pretty much sent him to his death. like wtf is 1 cp0 agent supposed to do in the middle of a battle between sky splitters? get killed by both luffy and kaido at the same time?

[pure raven]

he is there to make sure that the is and that they aren't so he's and that's why

hope that helped clear up any confusion on his role

[indigo girder]

Hoenslty after reading this chapter im more convinced that luffy is joyboy

its because after Momo says he spoke with zunesha yamato is like "Just like Oden predicted youre the one thats meant to lead the world to its dawn" but she only reiterates that after realizing that momo really can talk with zunesha. But there is still that chance that luffy can talk to zunesha. becasue if we rememeber when luffy was drowing there was an indication he was communicating with others (obv submarine group and momo but theres a chance zunesha was included) what if the journal says "who ever can talk to zunesha will bring the dawn" or something along those vauge lines of some quality instead of a specific name

[deft dagger]

Luffy cant talk to zunesha he can only listen to it only momo can give the command and dont look too much into the submarine stuff they proly seen luffy fall following the island back

But i do think luffy is joyboy

[wet glade]

what do you guys think about "preparations are all done"

[indigo girder]

That's what i was wonderinng about too. I think it was either brago or morj saying that thought denjiro could be planning something right now

[wet glade]

But where is denjiro they haven't shown him after the fall

[vale current]

Perhaps they were much more prepared and knowledgeable than we’ve been shown then they had shit up their sleeve the whole time, not simply straight up fighting

[wet glade]

that's plausible or maybe everyone misunderstood kinemon's plan like they did with the symbol for attack date so there's more to it then we thought

[vale current]

Guess they seemed way too confident about beating kaido if it’s only fighting with honor

[cyan berry]

Preparations probably refers to what Denjiro was doing all this time

He's the only missing scabbard

[flat granite]

I think that momo is like shirahoshi one of the world's ancient weapons, they're both the heir to a great nation and can command beasts.

[deft dagger]

Mayb yes but weird thing is robin didnt mention anything bout it,she knew poseidon so she shouldve known smth atleast the ancient weapon is the kozuki heir

[lime cape]

I don't think zunesha is an ancient weapon

zunesha was joy boy nakama, so maybe we would see it in a flashback (baby zunesha)

[deft dagger]

Mayb joyboy told it to to obey kozuki heir

[sinful helm]

zunesha is probably a human tho not a little elephant

[lime cape]

@sinful helm I think zunesha is an actual elephant

If Bunyan's theory is true then JoyBoy met Zunesha in his travels and become best friends

and zunesha is responsible for the reverse mountain also

[versed hamlet]

How?

[lime cape]

Because story parallelisms

[lime cape]

What do you think?

[muted ember]

They said they heard him

And Zunesha is implied to be an actual elephant, it has a species

[dense shadow]

Luffy is def joyboy
Roger is the reincarnation of joyboy, and luffy is the reincarnation of roger. So the math checks out.
Plus in Zou luffy could hear zunesha's voice, same as momo. Plus fishman island. So both luffy and momo have the voice of all things, like roger and oden.

[deft dagger]

Yea but only momo can talk back to it/listens luffy cant order it around same lik sea kings

[muted ember]

I'm talking about Law's crew, they heard Luffy's voice underwater

[cyan sand]

hey guys, i had a thought about what shanks said to luffy in chapter 1 about how "not being able to swim is a pirate's greatest weakness" a few days ago and thought it could mean something but couldn't think of anything. However, if you've seen Ohara's recent video it's just another piece of evidence that may convince you. Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MInnAvVlTgc&ab_channel=Ohara

since chapter 1 already has so much foreshadowing I don't think it's crazy that it could be just an extra hint

yeah that's literally it though but I thought it was worth mentioning

[lime cape]

I mean not being able to swim it was the weakness of devil fruits at the start, after arabasta it doesn't really come back

[raw laurel]

I posted this in the wrong place my bad.

Check this theory out https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/t1ujsl/the_fruit_the_elders_were_talking_about_is_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[cyan sand]

if you watch the video from Ohara you'll see what i mean

[lime cape]

kaido could suicide himself very easily

[cyan sand]

there are some of his videos im very hesitant on but this one was quite nice

[lime cape]

Could a weak crew member such as crocus dive to get into laughtale?🤔

[cyan sand]

i dont think he was a weak swimmer, we actually saw him swim pretty well inside of laboon now that you mention it

but i do think it's a point that you could just use coating on your ship like for fishman island instead, so unsure if swimming if necessary

[lime cape]

Laughtale must be not under 200m below the sea, if you don't want to get crushed

[lime cape]

So ... To have or not to have a devil fruit it is meaningless to get there

You don't need to swim

[cyan sand]

maybe not, just a theory

[lime cape]

🤔 I have one question, if you get to lodestar and every log pose go crazy, how the heck do you get out? Eternal log pose?

[cyan sand]

there are ways out but I think by the end of the story the calm belt and red line will be destroyed so that won't be a problem

[muted ember]

He's a fish he can probably swim

Also Kinemon's torso fell in the water, not having the ability to swim has definitely been relevant after Alabasta

[zinc gale]

i feel like joyboys name was binks and binks sake is part of the story of the void century

[hard elk]

Hy!
We had 4 DON's in chapter 1041.
DON is used by Oda to represente a bell sound.
-- 16 DONS --> 16 bell rings
8 DONs: end of a era
+8 DONs: start of a era

We had 16 DON's in Big Mom's defeat.
Now we having with Kaido vs Lufyy.
We need 12 more.
When you see the 13th DON, you'll know Kaido will lose, assuming Oda will draw 4 per fight chapter. So... Kaido vs Luffy will end at the third next great iteration between them.

[cyan sand]

nice, we got that whole thing about ringing the bell in skypeia and 3d2y but i haven't heard of something related to that before

[reef plank]

he could be like laboon

[agile tangle]

Do you think there's something with Blackbeard wanting to be called commodore?

It's probably just rocks being called commodore right

[cyan sand]

yeah, as luffy is to roger blackbeard is to rocks it seems, they parallel like that

[lime cape]

We need a movie about rocks

[cyan sand]

if we do we're not getting it for probably at least 3-4 years since the movies don't tend to go super ahead of the main story and we've got an upcoming shanks one already

100% after the main story and anime ends there'll be more to come though

[violet ember]

Yeah I have a good theory about blackbeard and rocks but its long

God Valley incident was 38 years old and Teach is 40 years old, meaning Teach was two years old at the time of the accident

The assumptions on which the theory is based are
1- The leader of the Rocks Pirates (Rocks D Xebec) was the former user of the Dark Fruit or Yami Yami no Mi and knew how to extract the user's Devil Fruit after his death
2-Teach was born in God Valley Island
3- Big Mom has the ability to transfer a person’s soul from one body to another
4-Devil fruit is related to the body, not the soul

The theory says that Rocks had two fruits, the dark dark Fruit (Logia) and the fish fish Fruit (Zoan) by simply making Big Mom take the soul of a human being (certainly a strong human being, of course) and transfer it into his body, and thus there were two souls left with him, one of Rock's soul and the another one that big mom gave it to him, and therefore he was destined to eat both fruits and before he died, at the hands of Roger and Garb, he fled and asked Big Mom to transform his two souls inside the body of a child, and this child happened to be Teach, and also that before his body dies, he made the preparations for extracting his devil fruits so that when big mom transfers his soul and his body dies, Big mom takes his fruits and distributes them And Big Mom actually took the two fruits and distributed them, she gave the fish-fish fruit to Kaido (said the chapter 999) and she sold the dark-dark fruit .

there is also one common factor between the Rocks Pirates and Blackbeard Pirates, Rocks Pirates were formed in an island named "Hachinosu" wich is currently occupied by the Blackbeard Pirates

[cyan sand]

I'm not so sure about how i'd feel about blackbeard having a bloodline relation to rocks, especially how none of the marines would have made the connection but the rest of that sounds great, I hadn't thought of big mom's devil fruit being used to give blackbeard his strange 3 souls before but i like it, could even get that expanded on in kaido's flashback coming soon in the manga (if it includes the god valley incident)

in one piece inherited will is supposed to be something that transcends blood relations but maybe it's different for blackbeard?

[muted ember]

I don't think Big Mom can put souls in other ppl?

[violet ember]

I did not say that Teach has a bloodline relation to rocks
I said that he was just a child born in God Valley
wich big mom used as a vessel for rocks soul so that meens that teach has 3 souls ,his soul,rocks soul and the other soul that rocks had

[deft dagger]

But why would there be bb a D in god valley which is like a home to cd's they should hate em

[violet ember]

she could put her soul in other objects or even living things so why can't she?

[manic niche]

Maybe that’s her awakened powers
Would be weird to not have bm fruit not awakened after all these years

[cyan sand]

maybe it's possible with law's devil fruit if you don't think big mom could, either way I think the idea of using a devil fruit for multiple souls is the only way blackbeard could get 3, if not then Oda has something crazy planned

[violet ember]

or maybe its just a dangerous technique that could take years of her life

[manic niche]

but would she do that for rocks?

[violet ember]

maybe he was with Rocks so he can be a vessel if something happens to him

[muted ember]

Until that's revealed it's still a hole in the theory

[cyan sand]

i think the fact that pudding's dad mentioned that possibility at all makes it a bit suspicious

[muted ember]

Until I see her do it I'm assuming what he says is accurate

[violet ember]

yeah it is still a hole in the theory
but it can be any other df user at that time who did that maybe the previous ope ope no mi user or something

[muted ember]

Maybe

[vapid parcel]

I have no clue if people have seen this or not, doesn't this look like the thing that happened Zoro? 🙂

Just noticed it in a random clip...

[cyan sand]

Hawkins has already been defeated so I don't think so but it is yet another grim reaper figure/ reference in wano

[vapid parcel]

Mm, I wonder what it entails... Since we've seen his abilities manifest in different ways previously.

Just an observation since it wasn't Brook.

[cyan sand]

yeah im not sure what that card in the clip actually does but it could mean that the person hawkins was talking about that had a 1% chance of surviving the raid was zoro, which is something that a lot of people have forgotten about rn

[vapid parcel]

Yep, this wasn't revealed in a convo, rather a small easter egg. This is from when Law defeats Hawkins in prison.

When the scene switches, the card is on the floor. Hawkins does not reference the card at all.

[cyan sand]

i think even hawkins would refer to luffy/ law as more than "that man" when he mentioned it to x drake but zoro might make sense there

[violet ember]

I think zoro is about to die
in the last chapter franky asked himself if zoro is dead so he could be half dead or something rn

[vapid parcel]

Yeah I've thought about that too, or if this is linked to Hawkins, Hawkins doing something new

[violet ember]

but of course he isn't going to die since he is the right hand of the mc😂😂

[vapid parcel]

Since we saw the reaper itself

Thats why I feel it must be linked to something else

[violet ember]

he is gonna fight the reaper and go back to life ,that's what i thought in that scene

[vapid parcel]

Looking forward to the next few chapters, before we go full focus on the battle on the roof, or if it's looked into after...

[cyan sand]

all chapters since a bit before 1000 have been so good

[violet ember]

I think wano arc ending is pretty obvious rn
but what I am thinking of right now is the next arc

[vapid parcel]

Elbaf?

Considering Big Mom might go full revenge mode, her having a link to them.

[violet ember]

nah I don't think so
i think it is gonna be like a Marineford 2.00

The marines are arriving at wano, Luffy already has the samurai on his side, Law and kidd are there ,Maybe the revolution army is gonna interfere ,The world is already upside-down

the next arc is gonna be elite

[chilly path]

Chapter 1000-1041 have been insane

Incredible year for One Piece

[vapid parcel]

BB included possibly since they are on the move

[chilly path]

BB going to WCI imo

[cyan sand]

yeah, pretty much every chapter is full of the good stuff

[vapid parcel]

Hah that would be cool, I feel like it fits his character to come in and grab devil fruits in Wano when everyone is weak

[violet ember]

Yeah bb could also be targeting kaido's df

[chilly path]

Do you think it’s possible that BB steals Luffy’s fruit temporarily during their battle and Luffy has to fight without it?

[vapid parcel]

Possibly yes

[chilly path]

And Luffy channels his inner Garp the Fist

[violet ember]

I don't think so cuz you cannot take someone's fruti untill he dies

[chilly path]

So Luffy dies and then ZKBB

[vapid parcel]

Oh yeah that is true...

[manic niche]

999-1041*

[vapid parcel]

Guess we wont see that cliche power move 😄

[cyan sand]

was zoro kills kaido (ZKK) a theory a lot of people were behind or just a meme theory? Never really stuck with me how it would work

back like last year

[chilly path]

It was mostly a meme tbh. I saw more people talking down about people believing in ZKK than people actually believing in ZKK

The prevailing theory was that Zoro will cut Kaido as part of his story arc in Wano which proved to be true.

It’s sort of like the raid will fail theory lol. Only a handful of people cling to that

[cyan sand]

the first time i heard it for about 2 minutes i thought it was cool, but then i actually pictured how it would play out in my head and it didn't work either way, especially since one of kaido's deepest desires is to have some epic death so to get that would be fulfilling the villain's dream?? no way haha

[chilly path]

Yeah Luffy always ends up denying the villain their dream so Kaido will end up alive, and not the pirate king and will suffer that way

As he has to watch as Luffy achieves his dream

[cyan sand]

at a minimum if kaido does die, it will 100% not be anywhere near as grand of a death as whitebeard's

id bet all of my money on it without a second thought

[vapid parcel]

I truly hope CP0 moves in, and both Luffy/Kaido gets them first before ending their fight.

[cyan sand]

haha they would, even cp0 thinks they'll get destroyed if they try

[chilly path]

Yeah, but honestly I just don’t see Oda killing him off. Oda doesn’t kill people that often

[violet ember]

kaido shall die so that luffy could be a yonko or at least leave wano peacefully
so unless Oda has a perfect scenario or something then kaido is either dead or captured by the marines

[gritty sigil]

About kaido vs luffy gear 4 snake man hydra attack
Since kaido can't follow luffy punches so he can't coat his body wuth armament x conqueror haki
Or is he permanently coating his full body with it. ??

[violet ember]

I think he just uses conqueror x armament haki coating whenever the attack is serious

[deft dagger]

Its too fast for him to defend against certain parts only way to defend is fullbody armament but we hav seen the end for ppl who used that

[violet ember]

I think he fullbody armament and conquerors when the opponent is attacking only but when he is attacking he just coat his weapon

[shut lark]

Imagine a chop-chop fruit awakening
since blackbeard is hunting fruits for his crew he might send someone kill buggy and hunt his fruit ( very unlikely)

[cyan sand]

kaido's skin is tough as is, remember no one could even cut him without atleast 'ryou' armament

[gritty sigil]

Without advanced armament u can't damaage base kaido without haki

[violet ember]

the chop chop fruit only perk is immunity to swords
I can't even think what power will it grant you if you awaken it

[shut lark]

like chop other objects

[cyan sand]

other people, similar to law's ability since it's a paramecia

[violet ember]

then the ope ope no mi would be more useful than the chop chop for BB

[shut lark]

if u go to #🔗old-wiki and read the full df guide it says the user can split their body and awakeing is when it affects other objects

[cyan sand]

yeah ope ope no mi just is the best fruit in my opinion

[violet ember]

if I would have a df in my opinion it would be kizaru's df
I could literally teleport at the speed of light +ope ope no mi takes lots of energy so it wouldn't be that useful if u r not smart enough

[shut lark]

how about black beards fruit?

[violet ember]

seriously what would you do with it?

[cyan sand]

i dont think one piece dfs are that realistic, even if you could travel at the speed of light intact then your limit is in your reaction times and reflexes. maybe you have pretty damn good ones but i am pretty average with that sort of thing

[shut lark]

[cyan sand]

that's the joke with kizaru, he's so slow in the head

if i had to have a fruit myself in our world it'd have to be something that I won't be made a worldwide target for

the most fun devil fruit to use would be the paw paw fruit haha, just send people flying overseas if you want

[violet ember]

You would be targeted as fuck then😂😂

[cyan sand]

yeah but it'd be funny

anyway, i think this chat has stopped being manga theories for a while so ill leave it there

[violet ember]

I would have kizaru's fruit so I could go wherever I want whenever I want and no one would even notice

[zinc gale]

although i personally the previous user of a devil fruit can pass down his will to the next user of the fruit.
for example ace and sabo, sabo started acting more like ace after eating the devil fruit. So i personally believe rocks was the previous user of the yami yami no mi and his will was passed down to blackbeard and as to how blackbeard can eat 2 devil fruits, i saw a video where the guy explains that blackbeard might have used devil fruit to basically suck his brothers into his body. its also seen that blackbeards broken teeth is different in some panels of the chapter which further kinda adds to the credibility of the theory. i will link the video explaining the whole blackbeard and his 3 brothers theory video if i find it

the video is from ohara

https://youtu.be/d5-oyhNNaAM?t=904

the vid starts from the time stamp

[violet ember]

I know about this theory but it isn't perfect either since in the marineford he used the yami yami no mi in his right hand and the gura gura no mi in his left hand

[chilly path]

He’ll weird the third and fourth ones with his legs

[violet ember]

he won't have a fourth maybe not even a third
people just assume that he will have a third cuz there are 3 types of df ,he already has two and because his flag has 3 skulls

[chilly path]

I can’t see him having a fourth but three, as you say, definitely feels likely given his flag and that he would have one of each fruit then

[lime cape]

🤔 is it possible that the one piece is a weapon that could kill immortals (gods, celestial dragons, gorosei...)?

[cyan berry]

None of those people are immortal

There also aren't any gods in the series

[chilly path]

Only one who may be a god is Imu (or the sea devil) and the sun god but even that could just be monikers

[deep egret]

I see

[shut lark]

Ope ope no mi?

[dusky burrow]

The legendary fruit the elders were talking about was actually luffys

The pirate shanks talked about with the elders was luffy

[pure raven]

and what is ur theory behind it @dusky burrow

[dusky burrow]

Fruit or shanks ?

[pure raven]

both ig, just explain it out

[muted ember]

Luffy's fruit doesn't fit the context. If the Gorosei were talking about df awakening, Luffy isn't rn. If they were saying they didn't know it's power was in use it can't be Luffy since they realistically should know his fruit since Alabasta, but definitely by Enies Lobby

[raw laurel]

I think it’s either kanjuro or otama fruit

[muted ember]

I think it's Tama's but I don't feel like explaining it again rn lol

[raw laurel]

If I was to say, otama would work because the arc opened with her being kidnapped however she used her fruit but from the government perspective would they be able to connect the dots because she just yelled out something and the smile users betrayed kaido.

Kanjuro in the theory I posted I think the fruit he ate is actually called the create create fruit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAnimeTheories/comments/t1ujsl/the_fruit_the_elders_were_talking_about_is_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[raw laurel]

I can see otama being the good choice it’s just how did they connect the dots but everything else works

[gaunt karma]

does anyone else also think luffy will train more after wano with sea prism cuffs the same way goku trains with weighted clothing so when they take it off they're way stronger

[vale current]

Sea stones nullify df power and luffy relies mostly on it

I wonder if the WG knew of Zou/Zunesha, bc if they didn’t that’d explain their surprise. Ofc it not really nulls other possibilities tho

[gaunt karma]

yeah but after luffy got cuffs taken off he said his attack were a lot stronger and he felt faster after a couple days

its supposed to nullify but that can be a good thing that will make him be able to train and result in getting stronger overall

[vale current]

Yea just like goku

[gaunt karma]

thats what i just said

[visual merlin]

I doubt he would do that, and after wano he won't have access to it anyway

[steady dust]

I could see Ussopp and Franky taking some seastone with them and trying new things
Maybe not a Full on Seastone general or a new Kabuto

[neat marten]

The whole point of the time skip (and the Udon training) was for luffy to not rely solely on his fruit

[steady dust]

Seastone has been a part of the series for so long, and it feels weird that the crew does not use it in anyway

[shell kraken]

Any theory yet that Kaido will die in the next couple chapters smiling of course because he protected Luffy from CP-0/world government cementing the final arc and luffy’s rise to pirate king ?

[rare pewter]

No kaido will defo push Luffy back even more, until either BB or someone else decides to finish kaido off

[sinful helm]

zunisha gonna either slap the wg ships or she gonna be used too protect wano as a threat

[sand sail]

How could they? It's one of the rarest things in the world and they've only just gotten to a place that has any kind of abundance of it, and Kaido's crew and Orochi's empire are in direct control of that

[steady dust]

Exactly, so it's the perfect moment for some seastone upgrades

[pure raven]

well we could have more dial stuff too... but it is what it is

[vale current]

Oh And btw
Hasn’t Kaido been seeking to die? What if Kaido will simply let go of his life like WB sort of!?

[cunning adder]

usopp could also incorporate sea stone into his attacks, maybe franky too and sanji could get a sea stone lock for the fridge

[strange robin]

Usopp should master haki

[cunning adder]

which type?

[modest skiff]

@cunning adder @strange robin this isn’t the channel for power discussions. Discussions like that are better for #also-manga

[cunning adder]

oh sorry

[strange robin]

do you think franky will build pluton

[real cairn]

from what i understood, the blueprint he has is a weapon that can combat pluton and not the pluton itself

someone enlighten me with this

[true adder]

do we think luffy's fruit was the on the gorosei were talking about?

[strange robin]

i think the blueprint is to build another pluton to combat pluton

[rare pewter]

Welp if that's true he would have let Luffy kill him already

[vale current]

Yeh if so I guess it’d happen after some time just like WB

[strange robin]

maybe

luffy's fruit isn't really that special tho

[violet ember]

No it is
It gives him some awesome abilities like extreme durability and superhuman power + the gears
and there is theories about luffy's df and that it can be a mythical zoan fruit for a god or a relevant figure in the void century

[strange robin]

luffy made gomu gomu special

he made it strong

imagine how strong luffy would be if he can turn the environment to rubber

[silver sphinx]

I still think his awakening is gonna be giving other people rubber like qualities

[wet perch]

I like the thought that his awakening will be the ability to erase things.

[strange robin]

i think gear 5 will be able to turn the environment to rubber but it will also be a form

[drifting pine]

what if zunisha is ancient giant wiith elephan zoan, who cant turn shape back?

[strange robin]

probably giant giant no mi fruit

[drifting pine]

hito hito no mi version?

[wet perch]

A thought. Mythical Zoans can be modeled after people; Buddha for example. What if Nika was a rubber man, and Luffy’s fruit is a Zoan, but a mythical model, say Nika’s will created the Gomu Gomu no Mi. Would explain the rubber ability. And his awakening would be whatever extra abilities Sun God Nika had

[drifting pine]

nah, i like an idea that gomu gomu is ordinary paramercia and luffy made it good for fight only with his hard work

[sand sail]

Zoan fruits aren't modeled after people, they're modeled after species. Buddha is a station, not a person

[strange robin]

gomu gomu no could be a special paramecia

[warm saffron]

I think Blackbeard has awakened both his devil fruits, and the Dressrosa intro actually has spoilers for what Blackbeard can do

[modest skiff]

What specifically are you saying it can do?

[strange robin]

can gura gura no mi even awaken?

bb's third fruit should be a zoan that we've never seen before

[warm saffron]

In the intro, it covered the entire area in darkness
Both the ground and the sky were completely pitch black
Maybe the gura gura no mi can do something that could destroy the whole world, after all, it was said that whitebeard had the power to destroy the whole world, so, maybe if he awakened his fruit...

Yeah
Wake up could have spoilers for what happens after wano

[strange robin]

elbalf arc?

[warm saffron]

Maybe
I don’t even think that Elbaf would be there, as it’s in the grand line
They are in the new world, they’d have to go backwards instead of forwards

[strange robin]

i think the next arc will be very long

the final part of next arc will probably be at lodestar

like how we're at wano now

it started at punk hazard

[desert hatch]

considering whats left, they might not even go to roadstar, during zou, the minks said explicitly that they dont need to go there because theyre already on a journey for whats after. only reason to go to roadstar would be to find out about laugh tale, but they already know it exists so theres lowkey no point. u could argue that theres poneglyphs there but even if there are, roger took all his copies to laugh tale to make the rio poneglyph so its already there

still might go though, shouldnt be as important as elbaf or laughtale or the final battle

[timber silo]

we might go to lodestar for like 5 chapters

[desert hatch]

heres a question i want peoples opinions on though, do u think the final battle will happen before or after laugh tale. i feel like luffys adventure should end after he visits laugh tale so i think it might happen before. another reason is because i think theres a high probability blackbeard took the road poneglyph that used to be on fishman island (i think whitebeard moved it and blackbeard found it, because it was in whitebeards territory) and considering blackbeards role as a major antagonist, luffy will probably have to fight him before laugh tale and this will probably be the final battle with the WG, Straw hats and blackbeard

[quick hatch]

After of course

[desert hatch]

do u think he'll fight blackbeard afterwards then?

[quick hatch]

Hmmm . I think the blackbeard fight will be the battle for pirate king. Hes not gonna sit back and wait

[desert hatch]

so we got two more battles then?

blackbeard and wg separate?

[quick hatch]

Yes in my opinion

[desert hatch]

i feel like thats what most people think but it doesnt sit right with me for the time that theres supposedly left in the series and the events they have to cover

and from what oda said the final battle sounds like its gonna involve a lot so i think it will be with everyone before laugh tale

[quick hatch]

I think if theres 300 chapters left. 150 for bb saga / pirate king saga. 75 for void century. Rest for loose ends and final war

[desert hatch]

that checks out

[quick hatch]

And thats like 8 years

[strange robin]

Bb will probably be the final villain that luffy fights before he finds one piece

But I wouldn’t be surprised if akainu also comes to laugh tale.

[desert hatch]

i would prefer that but i was basing my line of thought on the fact that he said 4-5 years left last year, hence the 'if he keeps the supposed timeline'

[quick hatch]

I see it. But i dont see bb letting luffy become pirate king then fighting him

[strange robin]

iirc Oda meant that luffy will find one piece in 4-5 years

[quick hatch]

Thats like 200 chapters. Which is pretty ambitious for rest of story

[strange robin]

He didn’t say one piece would end in 5 years

[quick hatch]

True.

[strange robin]

He said something like the juicy part of it would be over by then because we would already know what the one piece is

[desert hatch]

ye, thats why i was thinking the final battle would happen and then laugh tale and then end

[quick hatch]

Nah. We need to know void century before final war

[desert hatch]

feel like bb has to be in final war tho

[desert hatch]

that makes sense

[quick hatch]

Which means finding one piece before final war

[desert hatch]

he said final episode would be in 4-5 years last april

[quick hatch]

Did he say final episode??

[desert hatch]

i guess it was the editor in charge of jump

[strange robin]

I saw the video title on YouTube but I didn’t watch it

[copper frost]

Don't trust editor statements at face value

[desert hatch]

but i was using that as a basis so if you throw that out then obviously my idea sounds bad😂😂

[quick hatch]

Also dont read youtube thumbnails as fact💀

[desert hatch]

go back and read before u start typing

[quick hatch]

Clickbait go brrrr

[desert hatch]

my question literally started with 'if he follows this supposed timeline'

[quick hatch]

Im pretty sure Oda has made timelines hes failed before

[desert hatch]

exactly

originally suppose to only be like 4-5 years

[strange robin]

Do you think Oda will speed up the pacing since some Japanese fans are complaining about it

[copper frost]

You talked about Oda and the editors statements about the timeline of 5 years as stated above which I am telling you is not to be trusted, since Oda keeps saying that lmao and it hasn't come to fruition

[desert hatch]

seems like he already offscreened some fights in wano so maybe

[quick hatch]

Nah it wasnt many. That story blew out of proportion a bit

[desert hatch]

ye and i was giving a hypothetical for 'if he follows this timeline' therefore responding, 'he wont' isnt a good answer

because right now the fact is that there is a timeline so i was following that

[copper frost]

Of course, he intended to end the story in 5 years and that didn't happen, but that was the initial plan which ended up going to the trash anyway lol, the scope of the story expanded to a great degree unbeknownst to him

[severe wedge]

Luffy using awakening rubber za warudo (moon piece) @weak finch

[quick hatch]

More like fuji

[swift raptor]

yea

[desert hatch]

luffy fighting fuji

[strange robin]

One piece would probably just be a treasure if Oda didn’t extend the story longer than 5 years. Luffy would also meet shanks a lot sooner

And the story would probably be very basic

[quick hatch]

One piece would be post timeskip

[desert hatch]

so back to my question, final war before or after laugh tale

[quick hatch]

Post timeskip is pretty similar to one piece without warlords

[desert hatch]

in case anyone has any other thoughts lol

[strange robin]

After

[desert hatch]

word

[strange robin]

Laugh tale would be a long arc

Joyboy flashbacks

[desert hatch]

i thought it would be a good question to get people thinking cuz i feel like most people agree with that and didnt consider it happening before

[vale plover]

Laugh tale is probably gonna be short tbh. Even with flashback

[vale plover]

After

[strange robin]

Will akainu fight luffy on laugh tale? Or is it just going to be bb crew

I doubt akainu would just sit and watch luffy get the one piece. He would try to stop him

[vale plover]

My guess is that no one else is gonna reach Laugh Tales cuz it will take away the hardness of reaching it. BB will try, but the SH will be ahead

[desert hatch]

theres an idea on youtube going around saying laughtale is at the bottom of the whirl pool between impel down and marine ford and enies lobby but i dont like that lol, i thought the point was the WG didnt know where it was

[strange robin]

I can already imagine imu finally revealing himself/herself to the world and it will be broadcasted. Luffy will also declare war on imu

Imu wouldn’t care about hiding his identity at that point because he will think that he can just erase what happens from history again and make another void century

[deft dagger]

Laugh tale fb would be short it wont even hav any char we know too mayb except joyboy imu and zunesha oda wouldnt drag it

[strange robin]

Is ryuma from joyboy’s era?

[quick hatch]

Yes

[strange robin]

He could be the zoro of joyboy’s crew

[quick hatch]

I think ryuma should be just the leader of wano. Its so badass he single handedly made marines fear wano

[strange robin]

Oh I thought akainu was talking about oden when he said “the samurai”

[quick hatch]

Nah Marines fear wano because of Ryuma Im pretty sure

Oden just continued that fear and legend by being powerful in his own right

[snow herald]

What if mononosuke is joyboy. He can directly communicate and order zunisha, who was joyboys friend/ally/nakama

Luffy can hear it but can't communicate directly

[strange robin]

Maybe momosuke is an ancient weapon like shirahoshi

[torn hinge]

nah but if he was cp0 would be trying to kill or capture him from wano

but they only want to kill luffy and robin

luffy is going to become the pirate king in the future which will cause a big problem for them and robin is going to find about d, void century, ancient weapons and the secret of the world government

[strange robin]

Yeah

[torn hinge]

anyways it will be interesting to see how the war and the one piece intertwine with each other

[strange robin]

Luffy should beat kaido in the next 2 chapters hopefully

[torn hinge]

yh but wano is not finishing anytime soon though

[strange robin]

I hope it doesn’t take too long

[torn hinge]

still have a lot of things that need to be covered

[strange robin]

Like what

[torn hinge]

what zunesha is going to do

what cp0 is going to do

what is being hidden about the one piece in wano because oden probably left something

[strange robin]

Kaido might beat the cp0 leader for trying to interfere in the fight

[torn hinge]

who will save the flower capital from new onigashima

[strange robin]

Zunesha?

[torn hinge]

nah they are smart they would wait for luffy to be so weak that he cannot do anything but even so he won't die

[torn hinge]

the elephant

[strange robin]

I know

I mean zunesha might save the flower capital

[torn hinge]

oh yh but that would mean he would have to destroy new onigashima and everyone is still there so idk how that's going to happen

[strange robin]

I hope aokiji or shanks come

iirc Oda said wano ending will be surprising or something like that

[torn hinge]

i don't think they are knowing oda he probably wants to save them for the war but i think a surprise appearance from a character will happen

[torn hinge]

either a character or a revelation related to one piece, history of story or the war

[strange robin]

Maybe

I think robin will read the poneglyph if there is one in wano

[torn hinge]

there is

do you not remember law found it

[strange robin]

I don’t

Did robin read it already

[torn hinge]

oh yh there is a poneglyph in wano but idk what it says as robin didn't read it or see it yet i think

[strange robin]

It probably contains info on what one piece is

[torn hinge]

no it's just a regular poneglyph

not the red one

[strange robin]

Oh

Do you think there are admiral levels characters on elbalf

[quick hatch]

Maybe

[strange robin]

I think zoro and sanji should fight an admiral or admiral levels characters next

[quick hatch]

Could be cool but not nessecary

[quick hatch]

Nah. They will fight bb pirates or mihawk probably

[torn hinge]

well there probably would be because they haven't shown the straw hats going there yet

[strange robin]

Zoro needs to get black blades before fighting mihawk

[cyan berry]

No shot Zoro is fighting Mihawk before the series ends

[torn hinge]

nah i think the war is the next fight

[cyan berry]

Gonna be some epilogue thing

[quick hatch]

Nah. Final war is last

[cyan berry]

Mihawk doesn't ally himself with anyone so therefore he has no reason to fight the strawhats

[torn hinge]

but if they do another arc it's going to take time before they find one piece

[strange robin]

Zoro will be known as the strongest swordsman in the final war

[quick hatch]

One piece is before final war

[strange robin]

And luffy will be the pirate king

[torn hinge]

definitely that's when everyone is going to get a glow up

[torn hinge]

ohh yhh that's true

[strange robin]

Zoro might fight the swordsman gorosei

[quick hatch]

Like finding one piece . They need to know void century

[torn hinge]

nah robin will find someone who knows

[strange robin]

Scooper gaban should be on lodestar

[quick hatch]

Who would know. And also if we already know then one piece wont make everyone laugh

[torn hinge]

and then there's going to be a flashback about what happened including joyboy, zunesha before an elephant and raphtel

[strange robin]

Does anyone have any theories on what happened to roger’s crew

[quick hatch]

They split up

[cyan berry]

They just split up and went their separate ways

They're all off doing their own thing right now

[strange robin]

Did the world government hunt them down

[torn hinge]

yh because roger was dying and they found the one piece and about the history too early according to rayleigh

[cyan berry]

Rayleigh had a ship coating shop on Sabaody for example

Not as far as we know

They're not really mentioned aside from Rayleigh

[strange robin]

I want to know what was their reaction to ace death

We didn’t even see Rayleigh’s reaction

[torn hinge]

i think they will only show it once luffy finds out that he is the son of roger unless he already knows

[strange robin]

I have a theory that rocks gave the illness to roger

[torn hinge]

yhhh that is probably very true you know

[strange robin]

Luffy already knows ever since he was a kid

Ace told him iirc

[torn hinge]

oh i didn't know

[pure raven]

Why are Zoro fans so mean to Sanji i do not understand

[torn hinge]

because they don't like each other in the anime i guess

[strange robin]

Sanji is really strong

[pure raven]

You’re right

[quick hatch]

#manga

[strange robin]

His neck broke queen’s sword without armament

[torn hinge]

but in my opinion not stronger than zoro

[pure raven]

Zoro is slightly stronger it would be an extremely difficult win

They’re almost equals imo

[strange robin]

Do you think judge will build a new raid suit for sanji in the final war arc

[torn hinge]

true but i think the only reason he would lose is because he does not want to use his raid suit

[pure raven]

That would be interesting

[strange robin]

Sanji needs a new raid suit

[pure raven]

His raid suit made him invisible, more durable, faster, and able to fly

[strange robin]

Imagine if the raid suit ate a df

[torn hinge]

it's a possibility but idk how it would happen so probably not

[pure raven]

also the shield he used vs page one

[strange robin]

Armament haki + exosketon + raid suit

I don’t want to wait till the final arc to see the admirals vs zoro and sanji

[torn hinge]

i wonder who the third admiral is and how he is like in battle

[strange robin]

Plant fruit maybe

[torn hinge]

im also trying to see aokiji and akainu's backstory

[strange robin]

Do you think akainu will team up with luffy to beat imu

[quick hatch]

No

[strange robin]

I hope shanks, dragon and garp fight imu together

[torn hinge]

no way

[torn hinge]

still haven't seen garp's real power he's too busy joking around

[quick hatch]

What power is imu gonna have

[strange robin]

I wouldn’t be surprised if akainu fights the gorosei

[torn hinge]

a broken one obviously

[mild citrus]

I know it would never happen, but I hope Akainu is the 1 person luffy actually kills

[strange robin]

Water water no mi?

[quick hatch]

Bruh hes gonna have to have every devil fruit for that trio

[strange robin]

Do you think dragon will go to laugh tale with luffy?

[mild citrus]

no

[strange robin]

He also wants to know about the void century

[torn hinge]

no luffy hasn't seen him except when he was a baby so what would change now

[torn hinge]

well most ppl do but only the pirate king crew, certain man from the top marine officers and the world government know about the void century

[restive mirage]

I don't think Akainu will ever be Luffy's primary villain. Luffy's too powerful at this point. It's going to be Blackbeard and then Imu.

[strange robin]

Yeah sabo can fight akainu

[torn hinge]

wdym akainu would give luffy a tough fight after all he would get ptsd from ace's deatn once he sees him

[strange robin]

Marines should team up with luffy to beat imu

[mild citrus]

I hope luffy uses some super og red hawk on him and blows a hole thru his chest ace style

[strange robin]

Coby would be on luffy’s side

[mild citrus]

some good ol ace revenge

[strange robin]

I think aokiji will fight an admiral that chooses to be on imu’s side

[restive mirage]

Unless Akainu got major buffs after timeskip, he should be weaker than Kaido by a fair margin. I can't say the same for BB or Imu. Akainu can fight Luffy endgame but not well enough to be the main baddie at this point.

[torn hinge]

what do think imu's intentions are and why is he sitting on the throne that no one is meant to sit on

[strange robin]

Is there a stronger version of wind logia fruit like how magma is a stronger version of fire fruit?

Imagine hurricane hurricane no mi

[strange robin]

I think imu is a D but an evil one like bb

[restive mirage]

Whatever Imu and the WG stands for likely isn't a matter of good vs evil but freedom vs security.

[strange robin]

Imu might be a female

[torn hinge]

i think imu would have a devil fruit like the devil devil no mi

[strange robin]

What if imu has steal steal no mi and can take away df powers and use as many as he likes?

[restive mirage]

I think Imu will have the ultimate CoC enabling him to quite literally control anyone with just willpower.

[torn hinge]

the water devi friut in my opinion wouldn't suit him

[strange robin]

I want bb to get that

There’s a fan art of bb with devil devil no mi

[torn hinge]

but he already has 2 df how is he going to get that

[strange robin]

There’s a popular theory that he can get a third one or already has it

[torn hinge]

how?

[strange robin]

Maybe because of his body shape. Marco mentioned that it was weird

Or maybe bb figured out something about df that only vegapunk and imu would know

[pure raven]

except luffy

[strange robin]

Or a df that allows him to control people

Garp will probably be on luffy’s side in the final war

[torn hinge]

doesn't want to get beaten up by dadan

btw guys what do you think happened to sabo?

[strange robin]

Sabo faked his death and put a fake body

[restive mirage]

Yeah except Luffy but I'd like to think in the final battle, Luffy doesn't stand a chance. He'll win through a plot device maybe like the marines entirely turning on the WG which lowers Imu's haki enough to land one strike.

[strange robin]

Maybe. I think luffy will need to awaken a new power

The power of the will of d or something

[latent zodiac]

Has Sanji ever found out about the dish Bell'mere would have made for Nami and Nojiko?

Roast with a Mikan Glaze sauce?

[torn hinge]

nah if that was the case someone would have done it by now

[restive mirage]

I really do think Akainu will turn on the WG and Imu will kill him.

[strange robin]

Same

[torn hinge]

well that would be very satisfying for us one piece watchers

[strange robin]

I think akainu will get defeated by the gorosei but akainu will put up a good fight

[torn hinge]

unless they show some traumatising backstory from him

[strange robin]

Imu might order the gorosei to kill akainu

[torn hinge]

nah remember when the gorosei asked imu who was the next light that he wants to distinguish i think it's robin

[restive mirage]

Akainu keeps lashing out at the Gorosei. The plot will eventually pivot into the marines sabotaging the WG and Akainu paying the ultimate price.

[torn hinge]

akainu only is in the middle of the war not yet

[strange robin]

It’s luffy probably

[restive mirage]

The light needing to be extinguished was probably Vivi who had some means to control Pluton. I also have a feeling Uranus is something we've already seen.

[torn hinge]

but he was already holding a pic of luffy from befpre

[strange robin]

Akainu will probably say something like “I can’t beat you but straw hat can” or something

[torn hinge]

remember the pics he was holding was luffy bb vivi and shirahoshi

luffy bc of him becoming pirate king blackbeard idk vivi because she is probably related to pluton and shirahoshi because she is poseidon

[strange robin]

Bb also because of becoming pirate king

[violet ember]

maybe imu's power allows him to control anyone except the ones who have the will of the D.
thats why most of them are pirates or marines that the wg doesn't have full control on them like garp

[violet ember]

It is luffy or vivi
but its probably luffy cuz the gorosei already ordered to kill luffy and because he has the D. in his name and also has the straw hat wich is already related to roger and maybe it was also related to the void century

[hollow grove]

What is this it is dangerous theory

[deft dagger]

I still dont understand whats so great bout monkey king df/whatever it wil be thats more dangerous than a fruit that can destroy the world that they changed the name itself

[dry kindle]

Logia seems fine
What's hype for this Moneky king

[twin widget]

i don’t think so, gorosei appointed akainu over aokiji and akainu fits their cruel standards

[twin widget]

Sun Wukong can stretch and transform into objects/animals, so ig that is what they want

i think he can also freeze ppl

he’s got far too many powers for me to list lmao

[red mountain]

yall think momosuke will go with the straw hats to laugh tale ?

[tame notch]

No

[red mountain]

[tame notch]

He will rule wano

[twin widget]

iirc he wants to find out what oden wrote about it, so not out of question

[red mountain]

oh no I didnt mean as in he will leave wano with the straw hats at the end of this arc, but he will join them when they have all of the road poneglifs and eventually go to laugh tale

[pale laurel]

It depends. Momo is said to bring the dawn to the world. The question then is whether or not that is something he can do on Wano or has to do on Laugh Tale or by using something from Laugh Tale

[torn hinge]

no but he will find out what is there at laugh tale

[pale laurel]

possibly Momo can command Zunesha to "open Wano" right now and the dawn will come out of it somehow

[tame notch]

I think he can command zunesha which can help luffy to reach last poneglyph

[lime cape]

If it is a monkey Zoan how does it explain that Enel couldn't electrocuted him?

[pale laurel]

maybe, but the last road poneglyph has missing for 25 years. I don't think Zunesha knows or can locate it

[tame notch]

Not sure but I want to know what will momo do as wano shogun

[pale laurel]

To me that would be a fine ending of his character arc. Momo, as I see it, has to face his fears and try to live up to his Kozuki name. Currently he is about to save the flower capital and will now likely somehow 'open Wano'. If he is then coronated it is satisfactory for me as a viewer

[tame notch]

Me to I don't want to continue seeing after wano

[pale laurel]

but with all that said, Momo might very well be important later on because he might have powers like Shirahoshi that will do something at the end of the series

[torn hinge]

where is the third road poneglyph

[pale laurel]

There is one on Whole Cake Island, one on Zou and one somewhere in Wano

[torn hinge]

oh yh in wano

[pale laurel]

and there used to be one on Fishman Island next to the one with an apology for Poseidon

[torn hinge]

yh i completely forgot about that has it been revealed what happened to the last one

[pure raven]

this theory really lit, i hope it will be like this, i not happy if kaido knocked out by luffy gear forth snakeman, it is same skill he used beat katakuri. i expect luffy will use something more crazy skill

[vale current]

About that, I guess the Monkey deity zoan works as long as it has the rubber skill regardless

[unborn onyx]

Gear 5th monkey God

[twin widget]

Wukong is supposed to be indestructible im p sure, also regenerate which is why i doubt he has the wukong fruit

[hollow grove]

Yes I think so monkey everyone is connecting it with luffy

[sharp anvil]

I just had the thought that Luffy's dragon fruit could be the weapon of the Sun God.

[hollow grove]

There is a chance

[sharp anvil]

Could make an arguement for Momo being Joy Boy

[vale current]

What is it

[sharp anvil]

If luffy is wukongs staff

Like wukong had an imbued staff and it was luffys fruit that imbued it in the past

Or just he's the right hand man of wukong

[pure raven]

joy boy already said someone with blood D that will carry world on his shoulder, momo is impossible to be. it is clearly luffy joyboy

[hollow grove]

Where man

Did fan theory made it I haven't heard man so far many things are making by fan man

[pure raven]

in roger flashback or fish island, i forgot

[hollow grove]

Like portgas d rouge might the previous holder of gum gum

[hollow grove]

It wasn't there damn sure

[sharp anvil]

There's the bring a storm

[hollow grove]

It was made not fully cleared there

[sharp anvil]

They are basically weapons against the gods

[vapid minnow]

Nami is Wukong

[pure raven]

there neptune get letter from joyboy, he said sorry bcs cannot bring the huge ship and previous princess to shaboady, he said in letter he promise one day someone with D will be joyboy and bring the huge ship and shirahoshi to dryland.

[vapid minnow]

@sharp anvil being serious

[hollow grove]

D wasn't mention

[sharp anvil]

It is funny though lol

[hollow grove]

Poseidon, uranus, pluton

[vapid minnow]

Yeah but that’s what has been setup for quite some time now

[sharp anvil]

Oh yeah with the staff and zeus

Maybe the whole crew is supposed to be the idea of wukong

[vapid minnow]

Yeah so even if Luffy does have some kind of deeper significance with Wukong then that would also mean Nami has to have a role in all this as well

[vapid minnow]

no it’s just Luffy and Nami

[sharp anvil]

I mean can't not say the sunny

[pure raven]

yea the D wasnt mention , mistake but previous joyboy was D blood, bcs at that time he fought with many countries

[hollow grove]

How did you know that previous joy boy was d fought with many countries

Man how do you guys get so much information

[pure raven]

in flashback said he promise to bring previos princess to land, but at that time his country of D being attacke or they fight with World Government we called now that previously was many countries, i forgot how many countries were together to fight that D country. joyboy know he will lose the battle to WG, so he made letter to princess in poneglph

[hollow grove]

Bro wait these aren't the information from either anime or manga

[pure raven]

World Government previously was combination of many countries, thats why now they become WG, but in fact they are stabber, stole history

[pure raven]

in reverie they said this

[hollow grove]

Nope

I an so much sure

[pure raven]

what do you think WG is ?

[hollow grove]

World government you mean

[pure raven]

WG in the past they diminish the D country, not alone they do alliances to beat D country

[hollow grove]

I know that unfortunately the d you saying appears from nowhere they didn't tell that the country name was d. So it is wrong

[pure raven]

i forgot if they mention or not, but im sure the country was many of D blood people

[hollow grove]

Ok man it was made so sure about that

D wasn't mentioned and it wasn't told either that princess of ryugu was told that before the war these are fan made connect ions but still logical

[pure raven]

joy boy made before war before he died, lol ofc he did before he died that mean before war, but the poneglph the princess got after war

[hallow fiber]

ig dmust be real name of joy boy

or the residents of laughtale all had d in as their initial

[hallow fiber]

if this is true then blackbeard luffy law all belong to different families and not to the same d

but gorosei mention family of d so d just might be a very powerful leader joy boy ig

[stiff patrol]

Everyone was laughing at me for my wukuong theory weeks ago, go ahead and laugh now cause it’s about to come true 💀

[pure raven]

the d country i used call is Ancient Kingdom, Ancient Kingdom got beaten by 20 countries that pledge was made 800 year ago, and now they are called World Government.

[violet ember]

Zehahahah......People's dreams don't ever end

[tawdry bramble]

The name of the kingdom itself is a big deal according to the Oharans.

[vale current]

Btw Elbaf is Fable backwards