manga-theories

[kind horizon]

I mean will it show up again as something meta?

[earnest scroll]

what do u guys think the ancient fruit that awakened was?

[spark kiln]

I posted a theory rn, related to chap 1037, can I link it here ?

[cerulean summit]

Emerged is a better word than awakened

[spark kiln]

or should I just type it again

[slate mirage]

For sure

[kind horizon]

Tama's or Toki's df

[earnest scroll]

u don’t think luffys?

[viral thunder]

yes

[spark kiln]

Can I put Reddit post link here ?

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no because luffy’s fruit isn’t something recently emerged

[cerulean summit]

Lmao that’s where my head went first but I think it doesn’t really fit

[twin widget]

they would’ve said something about it by enies lobby arc if it was the gomu gomu

[kind horizon]

We'll have to wait for the official translation because people are saying that oda wrote awakened differently this time

[earnest scroll]

they said it was something ancient and they were protecting the gomu gomu no mi like 16 years ago

[cerulean summit]

16 years isn’t ancient lmao

[kind horizon]

They said the fruit itself is a legend to them so it have to be a fruit they haven't seen it's abilities used in a very long time

[cerulean summit]

I wonder if it’s related to Zunesha being ordered by Tama’s OG fruit holder or something like that

[spark kiln]

Part1:
If you have read chapter 1037, you know the Gorosei speak about the situation at reverie and how it was cursed, could be related to the Revolutionary Army interfering and Sabo getting arrested, but I’m not talking about that. It then skips to a scene of the ships talking about a shadow, which was zunesha. The ending pages are awkward to read and you can’t really make out if the world government ships and the gorosei are in contact. Towards the end we go back to the gorosei talking about a “specific devil fruit” which was given a “unique name”, and it hasn’t “awakened” for centuries and it’s a “legend” to the gorosei themselves. And the we go back to world government, where zunesha can be seenc with the text, “they were hiding the fruit’s name”.
Now onto the theory, we know what the world government is trying to “hide”, the void century and the ancient weapons. We are aware of one of them being Poseidon, who is Shirahoshi, who has the the power to control the sea kings, which was taken from the Greek God, the god of the sea, Poseidon, the power to control the sea and the living creatures in it. We know Pluton was a weapon of mass destruction. Now, the only one we don’t know about is Uranus. According to the Greek Mythology, Uranus has the powers to control air/winds/weather. So we can expect, in the series, the powers of Uranus to be similar if not same.

Part2:

About Dragon, the leader of the Revolutionary Army, we see his “powers” in Loguetown, he manipulates the weather, to save Luffy. Hopefully you know what I’m trying to get at.
What if the “specific devil fruit” which has a “unique name” is Dragon’s fruit, which is actually Uranus. The gorosei say it hasn’t “awakened” for centuries and is a “legend” to even them, (awaken has two meanings in this scenario, it means to rouse from sleeping, which means from inactivity, and in the world of One Piece, it could mean the Devil Fruit Awakening), maybe because Dragon is a very stealthy person, he is the most wanted person by the World Government, So he always stays in the shadow. And that’s why the world government doesn’t have any information about it.
Now, you’d ask why would they talk about it randomly, I believe, Dragon goes to rescue Sabo, if he is really arrested, or there must’ve been some sort of battle where Dragon has had to reveal his true strength and powers.

[earnest scroll]

yeah that’s why i’m thinking luffys because they haven’t seen it awakened

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probably has something to do with toki or tama, isn’t toki from the past anyways?

[cerulean summit]

Does the WG even know about Toki**

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not sure honestly

[spark kiln]

Couldn’t link the post cuz it got removed, let me know what y’all think about this, regarding the “unique devil fruit”

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yeah and they’ve seen luffy use rubber abilities multiple times

[earnest scroll]

true

[cerulean summit]

I felt like it was pretty clear Zunesha was ordered by whoever used to hold Tama’s fruit to walk until a Kozuki appeared to set them free again. Bc the command seems as unbreakable as her demands on smiles

[twin widget]

I doubt luffy’s awakening would make him something that isn’t rubber related

[pure raven]

i wonder which human spirit is trapped inside Zunisha might be Joy Boy or anyone that has affiliation to him in some way

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joyboy’s pet was zunesha

[spark kiln]

Can y’all read these 2 and lemme know 🤓

[pure raven]

joyboy was a giant so zunisha might be his "horse" 😏

[cerulean summit]

Dragon’s DF being Uranus is popular one. My big stipulation is in Greek Myths Uranus didnt really control anything, he held dominion over, which is an important distinction when discussing proto Greek gods. Uranus is more closely associated with the creation of monsters, which is why a lot of folk correlate Uranus with some sort of DF production tree.

I feel like the fruit they’re speaking of is related to Zunesha in some way

[kind horizon]

We don't really know if dragon has a df and imo I don't think a df is gonna be an ancient weapon

[spark kiln]

Oh is it, I’m relatively new, so I didn’t really know, thanks for replying

[vestal orbit]

Makes sense but doesn’t explain why zunesha’s in wano or why it’s implied to be related to this fruit

[cerulean summit]

The more the story continues the more I’m believing the ancient weapons are somehow all living people, or at least two of them are bc of the conversation the sea kings had when waiting on the day the two sovereigns will meet

[kind horizon]

I just read the Arabic translation for the chapter and they also used (awakening) there

[cerulean summit]

I think it’s a pun

[twin widget]

its fun until you realize we’re all probably wrong, i mean when was the last time someone predicted something oda would do when it wasn’t obviously stated?

[cerulean summit]

Idk bro I’ve had a few farshot calls

[spark kiln]

Well, the minks are in wano, luffy is in wano, momo is in wano, I don’t really see a point in having another character to communicate with zunesha when momo can do that

[spark kiln]

Hmmm

[vestal orbit]

Not saying anything about communicating with zunesha lol

Just saying there’s no explanation as to why it’s here or how it’s related with the fruit in question

[spark kiln]

Zunesha just pulled up 🤓👍

or maybe he is a stalker and was following them

Momo called him

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wonder if zunesha can even hurt kaido or something

[kind horizon]

Also found this

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It seemed to me the Gorosei were discussing important assassination plots but then when Zunesha pulled up they were interrupted, or at least that’s how it should seem, but honestly it feels disjointed from the previous conversation without any of the explicatives to indicate being startled by Zunesha, and more finishing a far longer convo

[signal mist]

idk kaido jumped of sky island, pretty sure it can tank zunesha

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plot twist: zkk meant zunesha kills kaido not zoro

[twin widget]

yeah that is true

[vestal orbit]

Luffy’s going to king kong gun him into zunesha’s swing like he’s playing baseball

[cerulean summit]

BM and Kaido maxed out on Phys Def but forgot about Special Def

[spark kiln]

Yea, I feel it’s misleading the way it’s written, they want us to think they’re talking about zunesha, but we don’t know for sure if the world gov ships and gorosei have contact or was the lookout guy just talking to another ship.

[signal mist]

yeah Im pretty sure zunesha is just a bait

[cerulean summit]

Exactly wouldn’t it be kinda weird if a random lookout has contact with essentially the leaders

[molten sand]

Zunesha gonna one tap kaido

[twin widget]

zkk = zunesha kills kaido

[spark kiln]

So my theory seems strong ?

[kind horizon]

Why would some guy on a wg ship be talking to the gorosei?

I'm sure the gorosei don't know that zunesha is at wano

[cerulean summit]

That’s what throws me off about the whole thing too, is there doesn’t seem to be enough alarm or exchange of dialogue to establish the connection between Zunesha showing up and the gorosei speaking about a fruit? Considering CP0, it’s more likely they’re referring to some DF in Wano recently understood by CP0....but the question is who? Toki predates WG interference and I’m pretty sure only Queen understood it was Tama’s DF that turned the smile users, right? Did CP0 confirm it was her? Bc Wano is isolated and this is obviously leading up to how it’s Tama’s mythical Zoan teapot

Obvs joking but it’s weird that the teapot is the only non-vegapunk related DF item

[tall heron]

I'm not exactly sure how it's written in Japanese but the translation of the final lines of 1037, in regards to the fruit where we're then shown Zuneshas giant shadow coming down on the ships. Considering the framing of the panel I wouldn't put it 100% out of the realm of possibility that Zunesha is in fact the devil-fruit and user that's been referred to here, with Luffy being used to throw us off?

[cerulean summit]

Seemingly not related**

[twin widget]

luffy gets tama to tame all the creatures of the world to fight in the final war

[cerulean summit]

We go back to see chest boy and his island of lovely animals I’m down

Tama’s DF is almost Sugar levels of Op in this arc

[twin widget]

would be sick to see luffy on pluton riding into battle with zunesha, the sea kings, and all the creatures he fought for training by his side with the strawhats and grand fleet

[spark kiln]

Just 6-7 more years of wait

[cerulean summit]

Holy shit would Tama’s DF work on minks? I guess not since they seem to make a distinction ig that’s more like saying Shirahoshi can control all fishmen

[twin widget]

I will gladly wait as long as I have to

[spark kiln]

Yessss

[twin widget]

maybe but I don’t see it

[cerulean summit]

I’m just glad I can finally say Wano will probably be over this year

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act 3 will never end

[cerulean summit]

Unless Oda decides to grant Morj’s wet dream out of no where

[twin widget]

honestly don’t even know why people hang onto the theory that the raid will fail

[cerulean summit]

Can Kidd even cause damage to BM? I don’t recall the manga show casing whether he learned Ryuo or not. Ik law’s DF and it’s awakening gives him some durability negation hax, so ig there’s some hope there. My boy law needs a decent dub.

I refused to believe the raid will fail and I do now. Set backs sure. But outright failing? Especially after coming this far? Do not see it. It really doesn’t seem to mesh the style of OP. Ngl I do think the all stars getting back up with zoan awakening would be horrifying and dope tho

[kind horizon]

Zoan awakening
Do you think kaidos form this chapter is his awakening?

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yeah I think it won’t fail completely but it won’t be a landslide win

[cerulean summit]

No lmao it’s his Drunken form. I do think it’s coming though

[twin widget]

luffy awk vs kaido awk

[cerulean summit]

Drunken Dragon is a hell of a mixed drink btw

[signal mist]

I just cant wait to see kaidos flashbacks 😭

[twin widget]

honestly I hope the KO blow on kaido looks like the time luffy beat the sea beast

[cerulean summit]

Ik, his flashback has been cock teased in 3 separate other flashbacks, his flash back will prob mark the end of act 3 or be its own act as a falling action in between climax and resolution

[twin widget]

yeah im hype for kaido flashback

[cerulean summit]

Oden’s probably the Goatest so we need another one similar. Kinda like how Rebecca’s was broken up and built around Doffy’s? I like how Oda has been doing the post-TS flashbacks, it’s poetic. Except in the anime, dressrosa did the viewers dirty

I meant Kyros and Rebecca’s

[signal mist]

yeah I just cant believe its getting better and better

its just crazy to think about it

[twin widget]

despite going on for 25 years one piece continues to get better instead of worse

[cerulean summit]

Tbh most shows peak in the mid. I really dislike the later ends of the other bigger shounens, but tbh OP just snowballs in hype.

[twin widget]

facts man

[cerulean summit]

Tho I will say I want a proper tournament arc in Elbaf

[signal mist]

that would be fucking nuts holy shit

[twin widget]

one piece tournament arc seems nuts lmao

[signal mist]

okay I need to calm down all this hype and start working, talk to you guys later

[cerulean summit]

A fun Davy back, but it’s a tournament arc. Dress Rosa is what everyone calls the Op tournament arc but eeehhh more of a coliseum

But tbf most of the big OP arcs are structured with fights like a tournament so I get that, but a Davy Back with Shanks and some giants would be fucking hype

[formal ocean]

Even in his old Age, Garp is arguably one of the most powerful members of the marines isn't he?

[twin widget]

would love to see something like this ngl

[cerulean summit]

Yeah, I feel like Garp is prob top 5 WG fighter, period.

[formal ocean]

Do y'all think he would have killed Sakazuki had Sengoku not restrained him?

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by the end of the series I wanna see usopp and smoker get some W’s

[formal ocean]

"You'd better not let go of me Sengoku, or else, I'm gonna kill that damn Sakazuki!"

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since akainu was damaged (i think) garp could’ve pulverized him

[cerulean summit]

I feel like Luffy and Shanks have to do the DB fight for Shank’s road poneglyph. And if/when Luffy beats Kaido he’ll be on “equal” footing with Shanks.

[formal ocean]

Do you think Sengoku was thinking about Garp's safety or Sakazuki's?

Coz I have a feeling Sengoku had flashbacks about their fight with Shiki and all the times they've fought together

[twin widget]

i mean it’d be real bad to have marines start fighting each other during that bigass war

[formal ocean]

And if I'm right and that was what Sengoku was remembering, then Garp would've murdered Sakazuki right then and there

[cerulean summit]

100% Akainu’s dude. Garp probably would have burned his what life force he had left on Akainu, but he knows even if he went all out it would have been bad for Red Puppy

I mean he probably wouldn’t have many good fights left in him after the rage beat down

[twin widget]

true

[cerulean summit]

But Akainu would have no fight ever agin

[formal ocean]

Even when he was that old he was still feared

[twin widget]

same with wb

[formal ocean]

Dude his fists are so legendary that even the lowest of pirates know not to confront him

I wonder exactly how strong that Haki of his is

I mean considering how powerful Roger was? And Garp was always unarmed during their fights?

[twin widget]

probably very strong as he doesn’t use a sword or something of that nature, just punches things and is feared

[formal ocean]

I'd say his Haki is far above even Kaido's or Big mom's

[cerulean summit]

From what we’ve seen, being Pirate King means a lot. Don Chinjao said it means to be a Conqueror of Conquerors. And he means it, bc if Rocks’ crew had no less than 4 or 5 people with Conqueror’s, Roger had to have a similar number of subordinates on that level. And Garp Prime was most likely on that level too

And in Kaido’s top 5 we know all of them were on some immense Haki skill, not just possessing the third rare type, but most likely all being capable of weaponizing it

[formal ocean]

If Garp managed to fight Roger using nothing but Busoshoku

Dude I'd be fanboying like crazy

[twin widget]

why did shanks appear in his top 5 display thingy

[formal ocean]

Coz it'd take an immense amount of mastery, skill and power to use only one type of Haki against a monstrous opponent like Roger

[cerulean summit]

Bc he didn’t wanna get spanked by Gryphon.

[humble tusk]

What fruit is the Goverment talking about?

[cerulean summit]

What’s your take on it man, bc it’s mostly up in the air rn until the official clears some stuff

I hesitate to make any bold claims just bc of how strange the wording is

[formal ocean]

Blackbeard is higher due to his 2 devil fruits

[humble tusk]

Well im starting to think its the gomu gomu fruit..

[cerulean summit]

Bruh...mihawk??

[humble tusk]

And that shanks was meant to eat i

[hexed condor]

powerscaling in the theories thread 🤨

[ancient vault]

Dont powerscale here

[humble tusk]

And that its more than just a gum gum fruit

[hexed condor]

cmon you guys are better than this

[cerulean summit]

It’s actually relevant to the discussion on Roger’s capability as PK but it devolved a tad

[formal ocean]

Nvm lmfao

[low tree]

Hey guys

Do you k ow anything about that spoiler back in 2015?

[formal ocean]

How would you guys take a potential "Speed speed fruit"

[hexed condor]

anyway wassup with the gorosei fruit theories

[low tree]

Or is that supposed to be discussed in the spoiler section?

[formal ocean]

Logia? Paramecia or Special Paramecia?

[hexed condor]

what the hell they talkin bout ?!?!?!?

[humble tusk]

Yes Gorosei fruit theories

[cerulean summit]

Bc my point was Rock’s crew had multiple conquerors, reiterating what Don Chinjao said ab the New World and being the Pirate King.

Damn I got hit by a lag spike lmao

[formal ocean]

I think this would be utterly fucking broken

[cerulean summit]

As in they have dfs? Or in reference to the chapter?

[hexed condor]

the chapter

[formal ocean]

Potentially being one of the best devil fruits canonically or non-canonically

[humble tusk]

Could they be referencing the time traveling fruit?

[cerulean summit]

My thoughts are, so far, Zunesha-related imagery is a mis lead. Maybe it’s about Tama? Maybe it’s about something related to Dragon and the reverie?

See I don’t think that bc Toki is from before WG interference

[hexed condor]

the wording is so weird tho it seems like they were talking about zunesha

[cerulean summit]

I mean it’s not impossible, I felt weirded out by the wording

[hexed condor]

i do think zunesha imagery is a mis-lead tho knowing oda

[mental venture]

also this @pure raven

[cerulean summit]

I thought it was Tama’s fruit, bc my running theory is Tama’s og fruit holder was the one who ordered Zunesha to walk as a punishment until they meant the heir of the Kozuki

[pure raven]

Ttty

[hexed condor]

i like this idea

[humble tusk]

Whoa

U got something there!

[cerulean summit]

But then again, how would the WG know about Tama’s DF? Bc the same issue, Wano is closed. And I think Queen is the only one who deduced Tama was responsible for the Smiles switching

[hexed condor]

cant wait for morj chapter review

[humble tusk]

The could have spies. I mean the strawhats infiltrated Wano easily

[cerulean summit]

I might need to reread through the raid to see how CP0 is integrated their information bc it might be more obvious

[hexed condor]

tcb says "They were hiding the fruit's true name from the animals of history"

[muted ember]

Holdem knew bc he was trying to pull her cheeks I forgot why he didn't get a chance to tell

[hexed condor]

like wtf does that mean

[muted ember]

Annals of history

[hexed condor]

annals yea

[cerulean summit]

I’m trying to make a connection back to CP0 but I feel like they’re oblivious as to why the smiles are switching if I remember the last go board scene

Bc there’s no way some random lookout on a marine ship has a direct line to the Gorosei. But the CP0 on the other hand I could see that

[cerulean coyote]

Iirc a Mary told over the phone that smiles were turning against kaido

[muted ember]

I don't think CP0 knows why tho

[cerulean summit]

But not why they’re turning

[cerulean coyote]

Thats gorosei info/speculation

Mary told cp0, cp0 report to gorosei, gorosei speculates about Tama fruit sent by toki 800y in future

[muted ember]

Yea maybe the agents told the Gorosei they were switching and when they heard about Zunesha they put 2 and 2 together

[cerulean summit]

Good point

Bc I imagine the Zunesha punishment was a really public thing back in the day

[muted ember]

This theory is coming together nicely I didn't think about CP0 at all I just love Tama

[cerulean summit]

And I imagine that’s the reference the two sea kings were talking about when they said they would rejoice the day the two sovereigns meet, meaning Poseidon and the leader of whatever the hell Zunesha is.

[cerulean coyote]

I think there was a problem between ak (joyboy) , Fish island (poseidon) and wano (uranus). Pluton won for the issue: joyboy apologises to poseidon, zunesha is exilated/punished by uranus to amend for wano. They lost the conflicts against wg.

[muted ember]

I wonder if Tama will appear next chapter

[ancient vault]

Yup

[cerulean summit]

Something about this sounds right. There’s a thread to chase here lol

[ancient vault]

I actually thought cp0 would be the one to reveal it or bring it upin my theory. But it ended being the gorosei themselves

I have hope Usopp and Nami are the ones to fight off cp0

[cerulean summit]

Something to look out for is repeating story patterns, like how PostTs mirrors PreTs

So doing it with history is smart too

[cerulean coyote]

The main issue in my theory is: was Odr required to divide world by pulling redline together? Alabasta refused to join the other half because loyal to fishmen, wano and ancient Kingdom? What happened between the last three?

[ancient vault]

or actually I think Tama will manage to get rid off cp0 guxy herself

[muted ember]

Good job on the theory but Idk about that part CP0 is stronger than I thought they would be tbh

[cerulean summit]

Is this summary of the Gorosei’s current goal accurate?

Capture Robin
Kill ????
Suppress ???? fruit

[boreal gate]

So Zunesha is the df

[ancient vault]

true

[humble tusk]

Dont think zunesha is the df

[boreal gate]

Beast pitates saved by Chopper will fight cp0

[cerulean summit]

Nami is the glassiest of cannons rn I think CP0 could be held off at the least while retreating to Jinbei or Franky or both

[ancient vault]

Tama has to prove she can at least defend herself tho

If she were to join

[cerulean summit]

Oof idk about Nakama theories I sway every day with who I think will join

[humble tusk]

Maybe the fruit the Gorosei are mentioning is already out there but with a different name!

[muted ember]

Yea I know lol I haven't quite decided how that will happen yet in my mind

[boreal gate]

Can't wait for 1038 spoilers

[cerulean summit]

That’s what someone earlier was saying but it can’t be one someone has eaten bc when you eat a fruit you know its name inherently

Unless some Vegapunkery messes with the “Devil Fruit Wavelength” which I wouldn’t put it past the WG

[humble tusk]

Well dang this fruit is driving me crazy. Wonder what ability it has.

Also IMU is the sea devil right?

[ancient vault]

that was wrong

[humble tusk]

UMI-IMU?

[ancient vault]

Sorry i meant to reply to this. This is not tru

[boreal gate]

Supposedly

[cerulean summit]

Is it not? I could have sworn this was point

[boreal gate]

Only speculations. Not yet confirmed officialy in the manga

[cerulean summit]

Maybe I’m confusing Op for another convoluted manga lmao

[round coral]

Could Zunesha be a zoan??? Or maybe some devil fruit controls zunesha? Or maybe zunesha has nothing to do with what the Gorosei we talking about

[cerulean summit]

If that’s the case I’ll entertain theories about it being the Gomu

Pretty sure Zunesha is bait

[boreal gate]

Maybe the whale tree?

[cerulean summit]

Related but bait. Wording feels weird so I’m withholding major assumptions until the official

[boreal gate]

Sustained

I think that Kaido is gonna die in the fire, as he looses his will againts Luffy

[cerulean summit]

I think I just took psychic damage lmao.

I’m just saying it is low key weird Who’s Who got so railed when Lucci lost to the same guy on enies lobby

If Kaido dies he gets what he wants tho, he needs to die in a low key pathetic way

[humble tusk]

Orochi need to die in a high key pathetic way then

[boreal gate]

Yeah, he is been seeking for a place to die.

And he also crushes his enemies will instead of killing em first

[ancient vault]

Oda clarified it in an sbs

[boreal gate]

Gimme the reference. I did not know

[boreal gate]

Ah that!

[ancient vault]

That was the case with Kaku and Kalifa

[boreal gate]

West Kalifa

[cerulean summit]

Did anyone else find Depression Drunk Kaido a little endearing? What if Luffy hits him so hard he’s in a permanent depression mode

[ancient vault]

Thats why Lucci said eat them and you will know

[humble tusk]

He just wanted to enjoy the buzz man

[cerulean summit]

I’ll also accept BM becoming O Lin forever

[cerulean summit]

This is more what I was thinking of than the SBS

[hexed condor]

that orochi pack gone hit so different

[boreal gate]

Orochi is gonna die in the fire

[hexed condor]

cant wait till that BOZO dies

[cerulean summit]

Where is Denjiro?

[weary tendon]

So the person Im Sama wanted to erase is in wano?

[humble tusk]

Robin?

[cerulean summit]

Pretty sure they want to capture robin not kill her yet

[weary tendon]

Yeah then it has to be luffy then

[cerulean summit]

I feel like there’s no mystery to that tho so why hide it

They’ve honestly technically wanted Luffy dead ever since he became a pirate, but anyone else in the list has layered implications

[humble tusk]

Facts, cause they know he is the next Joyboy.

[cerulean coyote]

Wg purpose is to annex wano. Every individual related is a potential target. Also, bm and kaido are pain in the ass for the WG. Even who's who is a cp0 target for what he knows about the sun god

[cerulean summit]

Pretty sure Joyboy is something you become not something you are

[hexed condor]

vivi was on that list too

[weary tendon]

There's nobody else in wano that it could be

[hexed condor]

and shirahoshi

[muted ember]

I don't think the plan is to kill Vivi bc her poster was the only one undamaged

[humble tusk]

Pretty sure i didnt say he was. I said he was the "next"

[cerulean summit]

No I was just saying I’m pretty sure of that bc of King’s flashbacks w Kaido lmao my b

After rereading the last couple of panels it’s not clear if the nuisance is robin herself or someone else

They’re mentioned in the same breath. And also the lookout seems to be wearing Cipher Pol clothing

[somber sphinx]

what if the true history is that the whole void century and WG and the current system is all created by Joyboy and IMU. man that would make me laugh and cry at the same time.

[weary tendon]

The gorosei said they must be erased so maybe it's more than one person

[cerulean summit]

Should honestly wait for the official on this one before delving too deep on speculation, Japanese is notoriously contextual and when characters are being purposefully vague it muddles it even further

Bc I have no doubt in my mind when they’re saying “they” the Gorosei more likely mean “that person” or something along that line, but it just fits too awkwardly into an English sentence. They/them is just convenient, but also incredibly frustrating when the conversation is fragmented like this

Bc they could be talking about any of the DFs in Wano. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s fucking Tama’s teapot at this point

[weary tendon]

Yeah you right lol

[edgy leaf]

Just a random thing, I don't know if anyone else really noticed it but in the second to last panel of 1037, the gorosei said that the mystery fruit hadn't awakened in centuries, and it was a legend even for them. That at least heavily implies they're not super old like some have theorised.

[boreal gate]

Yeah, maybe around 90-120 years old

[edgy leaf]

Kureha's age can be a high maximum, but they really can't be much older than that

[boreal gate]

No one is talking about this

[edgy leaf]

This sounds like the WG didn't assassinate anyone/frame the revolutionaries

[cosmic fog]

It doesn't add anything to what we already knew

something horrilbe happened, sabo was involved

[ashen plaza]

Weird..The gorosei are talking as if they were not part of the world government

[split glacier]

Gorosei haven't changed visually since Ohara incident

[sand sail]

They weren't

[wispy compass]

Posting it here so it's official:
Zunesha, awakened from their 1000 year journey by Momo's VOAT back in Zou, plays defense against the WG ships as they reach Wano. Zunesha might also be a Zoan user.
Kaido goes down, but the bombs can't be disabled before his clouds disappear.
Zunesha, torn up from the fight with the WG, offers to become a sacrifice. The Minks evacuate Zunesha's back, and Momo drops Onigashima on Zou. Zunesha may or may not die here.
WGs make landfall and spook Big Mom and her crew. They hightail it because they have no more reason to stay.
The minks and samurai beat back the WG and Wano maintains its independence.

It's a lot of assumptions, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.

[sand sail]

This is them basically stating they weren't around for the World Government's inception

[ashen plaza]

I cant send photos,but the Senior with the scar in his face.said something like > how do you explain the world government giving a special devil fruit a unique name?

I thought,it should be
"That's why we named a special devil fruit a uniqure name"

Also,

"even for us , it was a legend" So, there were still things that they dont know ??

[sand sail]

Of course, they're not omnipotent or omniscient

They're just a group of people working together to do things

[split glacier]

I don't think the Gorosei named all the DFs...Also the original name of DFs are automatically learned when you eat it.

[ashen plaza]

This also means that in the past,that devil fruit was awakened,but they dont know what happened to it now

Then, ages past,and the fruit became a legend.. right?

[vapid minnow]

So I was thinking if Zunesha actually ate a zoan fruit, then who would that person be? Well I did some digging and found this....The Titan Atlas.

Atlas was known as the god of endurance and during the war of Olympians, he was allied with Cronus against Zeus and the other gods. So after their eventually defeat the new ruler Zeus had punished Atlas to hold the Earth for all eternity

So considering there is a possibility of Gods existing in the One Piece world and we’re eventually going to Elbaf, then it would make sense for a connection to tie us from Wano into Elbaf. And Atlas can sort of be that connection especially since he similarly replicates this story of Atlas and we know that the current WG is ran by Imu, where they currently reside on the “Land of Gods”

[ashen plaza]

I'm waiting for Luffy's Monkey king form, the Devil...
Why?

Because Luffy is similar to Monkey king!

His techniques are named from animals ,similar to Monkey King's 72 transformation!

Right,Monkey King> Luffy wants to become the king of the pirates...Then, the people are monkeys in general

[silver sphinx]

If Zunesha has a DF, BB could come and steal that.

Zunesha could help to stop Onigashima from falling onto Wano. (Perhaps slicing it in half with a giant sword?…) Or simply stopping it with its own body and sacrificing itself. Helping Momo would redeem itself from its sin long ago and end his punishment.

BB or one of his crew-mates could come swoop in and steal it. That would fulfil the requirement of BB’s appearance in this “Yonkou” saga.

Zunesha’s devil fruit could be one of the three ancient weapons. Uranus could be it’s “special” name. Or Atlus, like Dynamite Kid mentioned. I think it also fits very well.

[plucky kiln]

Why did the Gorosei dude say "But didnt the WG give that df a unique name ?!"

arent they the wg

[sand sail]

It was whoever did it in the distant past, the Gorosei weren't around back then

[west current]

When will next chapter release

[weak arrow]

This isnt the place to ask but 2 weeks

[queen ether]

So is that red roc move of luffys a gear 2 move or gear 3 or both?

[sand sail]

Probably both

[severe wedge]

Dailly reminder Luffy is Logia or Duck Duck model Rubber Duck

[pure raven]

I don't really have a full theory formed yet but if we are connecting zuniesha with the mysterious DF the gorosei were talking about with its possible code name being Uranus.

I believe that Mythical Zoan Zou Zou no mi model Airavata could check all three boxes of Elephant, DF and being related to the sky(Uranus).

[split glacier]

And it's a "new" G3 since he doesn't seem to be actively inflating himself.

[chrome spire]

New G3 or an enhanced G2?

[pure raven]

Plus Zuniesha sounds similar to Ganesha an Indian deity with an elephants head

[split glacier]

I said G3 so G3...lol. G2 has been enhanced since ages ago

[chrome spire]

Ok so he can’t upgrade it again?

[split glacier]

I never said anything about G2 so I dunno why you harping on about it. They're both enhanced, the G3 natural inflate is recent.

[silver sphinx]

Hybrid form Ganesha

[snow herald]

What if zunesha, a fairly normal elephant ate the shima shima no mi(island). I don't see a mythical zoan being so legendary that the gorosei were sweating. But an island fruit? Something they actually can't erase cos it's moving? With some extra abilities, that makes it legendary and sweat worthy

I'm going with an island fruit, or an island being 'fed' a mythical zoan

[pure raven]

What about a mythical Zoan with the power to create clouds and by extension sky islands, they could be pretty devastating gravity missiles

[gilded willow]

zunesha is joy boy, he use to have the zou zou no mi, or he get transformed by someone (maybe imu)

[silver sphinx]

Uranus. Like pluton to destroy entire islands. Like Poseidon who has a peerless army in the sea.

[silver sphinx]

Joi Joi no Mi

[ancient vault]

Its tamas fruit

[pure raven]

Zunesha is like chopper he ate a devil fruit ( with gigantification powers)

[ancient vault]

Tamas fruit

[robust sierra]

nice theory

[gilded willow]

poseidon: royal family of the deepest see, sovereing of the sea monster
pluton: royal family arabasta, weapon made by humans rules the surface probably
uranus, royal family of elbaf should be in the top of ygdrasil, that giant tree we can see in elbaf village,

[native turret]

So kaidos drunk technique is a hard future sight counter is everyone in agreement with that

its like luffy doing the shit he did to enel

[sand sail]

No, not at all

[split glacier]

That's under the assumption Luffy is constantly using Future Sight but he's been getting hit before this so no

[native turret]

I would definitely say while hes doing the mindless drunk attacks you definitely cant pick it up with ob haki

[mortal field]

Ight time for random theory, what if the One Piece is Pluton

[ancient vault]

Its more like skypiea luffy

[native turret]

I never said anything about luffy I said while kaido is doing the mindless drunk attacks you cant pick it up with ob haki

[sand sail]

He's not doing mindless drunk attacks

[native turret]

SOme of them were

[sand sail]

And Luffy's had almost no problem avoiding or matching them this chapter

[mortal field]

I think Kaido’s drunk form is more of trying to attack full force (thinking pretty much) to just letting it happen

[sand sail]

None of them were

[mortal field]

Its not like he’s mashing attacks, rather he’s exing every attack if i was to put it in FGC terms

[native turret]

correction* not attacks

He can defend against future sight like that

[pallid ibex]

I have a theory on Zuneshas df. So I thought about how could Zunesha be sinning as well as having a crazy df that the gorosei don’t even know the name of. Maybe Zuneshas df is to create life or something. I don’t know if the Zouans have been there the entire time since Zunesha was born or whatever but it’s a sinful act bc Zunesha got in the way of God naturally creating. I’m just assuming that Zouans aren’t from anywhere else in the world except on Zuneshas back. Did they evolve to become human like or did Zunesha interrupt the natural way of life and create the first Zouans. The more I type this theory the weirder it sounds but it’s just a thought 🤷‍♂️

[gentle lily]

Ok so Film Red releases on August 6, 2022 and the chapter before that is 1057. So either there are 20 chapters left before Shanks meets Luffy, or more likely, Shanks does not meet Luffy in the film

[native turret]

Does this account for breaks?

[split glacier]

Shanks isn't meeting Luffy

[gentle lily]

yes: https://claystage.com/one-piece-chapter-release-schedule-for-2022

[native turret]

SHanks probably will meet luffy itll just be some bullshit though where luffy doesnt remember afterwards or shanks in a disguise

[mortal field]

Or it could be Luffy purposely dodge Shanks

[native turret]

I could see that

[gentle lily]

in the movie or the manga

[mortal field]

Movie

Inb4 Shanks is a rat

[split glacier]

Luffy won't canonically meet Shanks in the movie. I don't think Oda would omit that from the manga/put it in the manga first. And he still might not meet Shanks in manga anyways 👀

[native turret]

who knows maybe odas finally ready to sell out

[mortal field]

Time for Goda to be regular Loda

[native turret]

so is the roc prefix for luffys attacks supposed to signify ryou or conq coating or is it both

I thought it was supposed to be for ryou soecifically

[queen ether]

Gotta love Luffy and the way he comes up with his names for moves all the time

[native turret]

p sure anytime he does a roc attack it has fire

a roc is like a big mythical hawk

[gentle lily]

I dont think he'll meet shanks in the movie even non-canonically

Oda definitely wants to save that for the Manga

Although he has spoiled stuff in movies before (like Laugh Tale)

[split glacier]

Ryuo since he did that before he learned Conq Coating. I think anyways

[native turret]

he uses conq coating with a roc attack tho

[split glacier]

His first Red Roc wasn't Coated with Conq, right? It was just regular

[bitter kraken]

Zunesha or how ever you spell with how big it is, the user is prolly a giant since they do live for a long long time if it were a simple human he or she would be dead by now I think

[queen ether]

Probably shanks gonna pull up and do stuff but then luffys not there to see it

[native turret]

wonder if luf will ever use roc attacks without conq again

[split glacier]

Against the non worthy lol. He isn't gonna be Conq coating every attack against randoms. Seems to be energy consuming

[native turret]

then does he even ryou at that point

who is luffy fighting that he doesnt need to use both on or its just overkill

[split glacier]

Ryuo is Haki. The type he's doing is just a specific advanced technique

[split glacier]

Literally anyone before the big bad boss. Fodder, mid level crewmembers like Ulti and Numbers. People like that

The same way Zoro isn't gonna be coating on Conq all the time and Sanji won't go maximum heat against everyone immediately

[native turret]

eh I feel ike at this point in the story anyone luffy would run into could probably take a few ryou hits so itd just be easier to do a good ryou + conq to quickly get them out of the way

Im not doubting he uses a roc attack without conq again I just think itll be rare

[split glacier]

He's dumb but not that dumb to use his most energy draining moves on scrubs. Look at Ulti, he was trying to conserve energy but realised she might be G4 material.

[native turret]

yeah I feel like he wont make that mistake again

Even the weaker characters from this point on are probably as strong or stronger than ulti

maybe that a stretch ultis pretty strong tbh

[split glacier]

She did need a Yonko to take her out 👀 Shes no scrub

It's end game, we find many characters that are leaving the current opposition in the dust. They are all pretty similar.

[native turret]

So does everyone think zunesha being a massive elephant is because of adevil fruit

[dim axle]

i don't

[native turret]

what do you think the df is then

[digital tapir]

I don’t think that would make sense because they wouldn’t have to hide the name of a fruit that’s never been mentioned before

[cursive palm]

Nops

[late token]

Probably talkin about tama

[cursive palm]

I'm sure that the Gorosei was not talking about Zunesha

[empty vault]

i dont think its tama either, because i dont think any of the cp0/wg peeps have said anything or known anything about tama and her fruit

[late token]

Normally the name of a Devil fruit describes pretty well what the Devil fruit does mera mera etc. only tamas fruit doesnt describe what it really does. So the Name got changed to hide its existence

[native turret]

op op no mi

paw paw fruit

[modest skiff]

I really don't think they were saying Zunesha has a devil fruit. They said it was awakened a few hundred years ago. Zunesha is like 1000 years old

One other thing to point out: If the Gorosei have only "heard" of it being awakened hundreds of years ago, that means they are younger than that. It means they weren't around for the void century, which was an unanswered question previously.

[vast wigeon]

Op op no mi already does like a billion different things don't think it's that

[native turret]

Im using them at examples fordevil fruits thats names dont do a god job explaining the abilities

[late token]

Op op creates an op room where you can do an op

[modest skiff]

Op op no mi makes way more sense because Doffy said he needed it to rule the world

[empty vault]

they say that said fruit hasnt awakened in centuries

[late token]

Agree with paw paw though ^^

[native turret]

Whatever baron tamagos fruits name is

[late token]

Isnt it egg egg?

[hollow prairie]

Its possibe that zunesha is the result of a devil fruit and because he ate it they made his punishment walking in the ocean, disabling his dfs ability. They say they gave the df a unique name and that line makes more sense if you think that they're referring to the name zunesha or whatever the big fuckers name is

[native turret]

still doesnt really give you an idea what the actual ability is

[native turret]

I can see it

[late token]

Gives you the powers of an egg

[native turret]

what are the powers of an egg

[split glacier]

Zunisha looking for land then BOOOOM

[late token]

Being born

[native turret]

eh guess its not that bad

[native turret]

do you think zunisha about to stick its trunk in wano?

threough mogura harbour

[late token]

Tamas fruit is already canon in my head so i try to spin facts in my favor xD but if i see a better theory i will change my mind ^^

[late token]

Do we know how high wano is?

[split glacier]

Big enough right? Or maybe Zunisha is stuck in the ocean forever, I mean how far down foes the ocean go, how long are his legs? Lol

[late token]

Think if was Said zunisha is 40000 feet and 10000 feet are in the water

[native turret]

zunisha is probably as tall as wano

Wano kinda looks like a chrunk of the red line

wano itself is probably the one piece

[split glacier]

The redline is a bunch of random countries dragged there

[native turret]

goes in reverse mountain or some shit

[empty vault]

Feels like momo accidentally called zunesha to wano and zunesha will water blast the f out of onigashima lmao

[late token]

Yooo i like that water blasting idea ^^ i thought he would catch onigashima with his trunk

[hollow prairie]

Zoan and Zou seem similar and i wont be surprised if theres a connection to zunesha and all of the zoan fruits

[empty vault]

Might make more sense since momo got aged forwards some years so his weapon powers might be much stronger atm

[late token]

Anyone has read the reddit theory about zunesha using the big ass sword on onigashima?

[muted ember]

I knew this chapter would have theories lit

[pure raven]

His age gets accelerated not his experience

[vestal wyvern]

can u send it?

[split glacier]

Yeah Zuni definitely came to save Momo lol. Someone ordered it to walk forever or w/e (Possible previous Tama fruit owner that was Momo's clan?).
Zuni might be a DF product as well? Or maybe it's just a mythical, unrelated to DF, ancient elephant island. Uranus is still a mystery (Greek God of the Sky relation ?)
It's either Tama or Zuni is the DF being referenced by Gorosei but seems like Zuni might have a DF

[empty vault]

He has been pushed to desperation however

hes been freaking out over not being able to stop the island with his clouds

[split glacier]

Samurai Elephant Style...Oni Giri

[muted ember]

With all these plot lines being added I feel like it's not too late for the Big Mom Pirates to show up

[vast wigeon]

Zunisha is just one big homie made by a user if the soul soul fruit

[split glacier]

They gonna get knocked down for a 3rd time lol

[empty vault]

Honestly theyre gonna get to wano and find out that big moms donezo

[muted ember]

This not really for this channel but Big Mom not losing here

[pure raven]

Honestly will be disappointed with oda if he doesn’t use them

[muted ember]

So will I but Oda never disappoints me lol

[split glacier]

I don't think you gonna be happy

If it's not a getaway then I don't see them being real components. There's only Smoothie as an unused Big character from them.

[empty vault]

just seems silly since both her and kaido are allied, big moms seperated from her crew, and kaidos likely gonna fall here and now

[muted ember]

Also it looks like Kaido may have lost consciousness for a second at the end his flames might start dissappearing

[ripe yacht]

i think the gorosai are talking about robins df. because hana hana no mi means flower.. and not like bodyparts and the demon form looks scary. thats probably why the name has been changed. and why they want to erase robin.

[empty vault]

yooo thats probably whats up,
Zunesha was told to go to wano, got lost and wandered the ocean for 800 years until now and momo was like the beacon for zunesha to finally get to wano

[cosmic bear]

agreed

[native turret]

Wanos geography slotting into reverse mountain would work perfectly for the all blue tbh

[split glacier]

So many possibilities. Typical Oda baiting us and taking a break. You beautiful genius.

[empty vault]

oda is the mastermind

if it wasnt ordered to go to wano, then simply put momo acted as the beacon to lead zunesha to wano

[desert sedge]

@night jewel What do you think about this arsal? There's a little continuation below it too

[night jewel]

idk if the fruit is uranus but I do agree that they are talking about tama's fruit yea, also toki bringing from 8 centuries into the past to now would make sense as well

[empty vault]

I dunno if tama is necessarily the reason why zunesha shows up though

we didnt meet tama until wano, its probably fair to say tama has never been to zunesha

[muted ember]

Momo told Zunesha to come most likely

[desert sedge]

My guess is the original user of tama's fruit punished zunisha to constantly walk and follow orders from a kozuki. Then when momo talked to him in zou he probably asked him to come to wano

[native turret]

DOne piece moment

[empty vault]

thats tough to say, we just dont really know how long reaching the effects are on devil fruits like that. Dont all devil fruits have a range that they work at?

[desert sedge]

What do you mean reach? How long the effects work? Or how far?

[empty vault]

How far yeah, or if they even work post devil fruit users death

[desert sedge]

We honestly dont know, but if it works even after the death of the previous user, then it just make tama's fruit more special

[native turret]

zunesha will pull up like

[empty vault]

i can see the idea of zunesha following the orders of the kozuki, that would make sense and be huge since the princess girl from the fish man island already controls sea kings.

[coral plank]

Zunesha solos bm and kaido

[weak arrow]

not the channel to powerscale

[coral plank]

😐

[native turret]

Cant wait to show everyone the screenshot of me saying wano is the one piece when its revealed

All the ancient weapons are required in order to move wano ez

[empty vault]

I like the grand theory that one piece is straight up the uniting of all the oceans

[coral plank]

Its gotta be tamas fruit they talking about right

[cloud sail]

so far with the theories of the mystery DF ive seen, i like the idea of it being robins the most

[digital tapir]

How does that work in context tho

[empty vault]

either tamas or luffys methinks

[cloud sail]

Could be one of the many reasons why the gov wants to capture robin

[digital tapir]

I mean in the context of the chapter they wouldn’t go from talking about zunesha to randomly jumping back to robin

[empty vault]

wasnt the main reason the wg wanted robin was because she reads the ancient texts and therefore can not only learn the true history but also activate the ancient weapons

[ruby depot]

why luffy enjoyed eating the gomu gomu no mi when all df supposed to taste nasty could it be that Df are meant for will of d users

would explain why blackbeard was able eat 2 due to his strange body structure

[visual merlin]

he didn't enjoy it

[cloud sail]

^

[ruby depot]

didnt complain once or show a sour face

[cloud sail]

if you read chapter one, he says it didnt taste good

[visual merlin]

Guess we don't see him eat it, but he says this

[ruby depot]

ok

[cloud sail]

we do see him eat it

[ruby depot]

anime version

[cloud sail]

when the bandits come in, theres a panel where you see luffy eat it

[ruby depot]

also shanks did not have the name of the df just the drawing like he knew it may not be the real name of the fruit

or maybe vega punk did not create momo devil fruit but maybe was able to alter as in the color of the df. We know i the wg wanted him to create dragons maybe his was task with duplicating the df and could not. momo df could very well awaken zuenesha or maybe it was a time situation. like the sea kings saying their king will be born in 10 years and take 15 years to grow to power/ full control. momo did have a situation with zolo about not pronouncing his honorific

momo should of learn the name of his df soon as he ate it but it is never mention

[modest skiff]

I don’t think this is true at all. We’ve seen millions of examples of topics changing and they had just seen Zunesha

[modest skiff]

Law, Kidd and perhaps Robin all showed awakening as well. Nothing is remotely certain at this point

[digital tapir]

Oh actually reading it again they never talked about zunesha directly I think the spoilers made that unclear

[ancient vault]

You goddamn right brother

[digital tapir]

But the last panel has them talking about the fruit with zunesha looming over which implies the two are correlated

[digital tapir]

Nvm I was right the first time

[modest skiff]

It really does not imply that at all

[ancient vault]

Its probably not awakening tho

[digital tapir]

What

[ancient vault]

It does. Its terrible panelling if it ends up being not related.
Its a narrative parallel that doesnt mean the gorosei know exactly that zunesha is there

[sand sail]

The paneling very clearly makes it obvious that it's a Zunesha correlation, that just doesn't necessarily mean that's what they're referring to is all still

[modest skiff]

There are numerous times where topics simply change. I’m not remotely convinced the two are related

[sand sail]

Oda's done things like this before iirc, but the juxtaposition is crystal here

[ruby depot]

anyone notice how wb df is similar to bb in the way you use it both need a close fist to use each df. only time we seen wb use his df with no close fist he almost destroy the world with by creating a earthquake with the air by using his hands in a rippling effect. Blackbeard df could possbile be tied to his shadow allowing him not to have one shadow in one piece world

[ancient vault]

The gorosei topic feels so out of place theres no other reason to panel it in this way other than it being related to zunesha

[modest skiff]

Maybe I should make sure we are clear and not arguing different points

Are you saying it shows Zunesha has a devil fruit?

Are you saying a devil fruit awakening has some sort of impact on Zunesha?

I am not convinced the WG had no idea Zunesha existed prior to showing up at Wano. So what would Zunesha’s presence suddenly tell them about a devil fruit awakening?

[ancient vault]

Its purposeful panelling in a way to connect things and imply certain relation as a narrative parallel. Hes done this before and it happens all the time.
For example when whitebeard talks about Someone freeing the world theough finding the OP and it shows luffy in a panel while talking about it its very clear that he means luffy even if he doesn’t explicitly say it.

[modest skiff]

Another thing is they Zunesha’s pre-programmed walking route may have been intended to reach Wano at exactly the time of the new dawn that Toki talked about. This could all be according to plan

[ruby depot]

yea it seems the year big war will take place are already known since 800 years ago

[modest skiff]

I agree that it has happened before, but perhaps I am misunderstanding what you’re saying

[ancient vault]

1. its very likely the „awakening“ isnt an actualdevil fruit awakening but just „awakneing“ in the sense of reappearing.
   Read the pinned post by mip in #also-manga
   The quotes werent used here and the only times they werent used again was when awakening was first introduced

2. i dont think zunesha has the devil fruit but the devil fruit has to do with zuneshas existence and role in the story

[ruby depot]

zunesha has to be like the sea kings

hes full aware of everything and he could see so he could see the redline and just turn back around before hitting the redline unlike the whales

[modest skiff]

Oh, well in that case, sure, it could definitely be Tama

[pure raven]

zunisha is joy boy, the person oden is waiting for

[ruby depot]

but it has a whale tree on it back

[ancient vault]

I think so. Or momo ordered her too

I think Oda mentioning zuneshas species even is a bad rep for zumesha having the DF

[ruby depot]

could just be hearing momo cries for the flower captial not to be destroyed

[oak cipher]

give zunesha choppers fruit. I want answers and they've probably got them

[modest skiff]

But I also think Zunesha could just be arriving as intended and it is related to why Momo was terrified when realizing Wano needs to open. Zunesha might be a crucial part of opening Wano. One of my theories has been previously that Zunesha is used to evacuate Wano, which is why opening is necessary and Oden/Momo were both scared

[gilded willow]

zunesha is the old shogun of wano, from the void century and he betray wano and get transformed into an elephant and have to walk

[empty vault]

It was said in the zou arc that zunesha got punished to wander the seas for eternity unless commanded to do other things

[ruby depot]

what is the name of momo df maybe vega punk found out how to tell what df is which without eating it and this df had the power to do more then intended maybe tied to zou

[vapid minnow]

Again I was thinking if Zunesha actually ate a zoan fruit, then who would that person be? Well I did some digging and found this....The Titan Atlas.

Atlas was known as the god of endurance and during the war of Olympians, he was allied with Cronus against Zeus and the other gods. So after their eventually defeat the new ruler Zeus had punished Atlas to hold the Earth for all eternity

So considering there is a possibility of Gods existing in the One Piece world and we’re eventually going to Elbaf, then it would make sense for a connection to tie us from Wano into Elbaf. And Atlas can sort of be that connection especially since he similarly replicates this story of Atlas and we know that the current WG is ran by Imu, where they currently reside on the “Land of Gods”

Another interesting thing is that in Greek mythology, elephants are associated with the Sun God Amun-Ra & are symbolic representations of military victory in waging wars. As a tradition elephants would raise their trunks as a prayer to the rising sun as a ceremonial demonstration of victory.

[empty vault]

arent the giants vikings

[oak cipher]

So could titans be Lunarians?

[modest skiff]

Wait so I read @sturdy hound 's pin and it sounds like he's saying they are most likely talking about an awakened devil fruit, not a devil fruit suddenly appearing. And aren't the Gorosei saying the name of the devil fruit has been hidden/erased from history? That makes it sound like there is some fake name for a devil fruit that is already known about, but Tama's was in Wano, so I have a hard time understanding why Tama's fruit fits that description

[cloud sail]

were the gorosei around 800 years ago? if they weren't, would they not be aware of toki's fruit

[oak cipher]

The olympians cast out the titans. So could the people on mariejois have casted out lunarians

[vapid minnow]

Lastly I found this art piece that depicts elephants were also used in Ancient Egypt as combatants for Celtics during the bronze age and what is interesting is that elephants were allied with Griffons!!

[modest skiff]

In this chapter, they said they only heard about the fruit awakening hundreds of years ago. So they must not have been around hundreds of years ago

[sturdy hound]

ill update the pin with more info later, but yea that's the gist. they're likely talking about an actual awakening

[modest skiff]

IMO,

1. Actual awakening

2. Talking as if the fruit is already known, with a hidden name. Tama's fruit has been in Wano

Both of these points make it unlikely they are talking about tama

[boreal gate]

Maybe it's like a mind control df

[vapid minnow]

that’s a likely possibility and it could be if in fact Lunarians were the people residing in the Land of Gods, then maybe the person who is supposedly Zunesha could Lunarian themself or even someone the Lunarians once worshipped a long time ago.

[modest skiff]

@odd lichen not the right channel to ask questions like that. Use the manga channels

[modest trellis]

they talking bout luffys fruit being awakened right?

[weak arrow]

No

[modest trellis]

so who

Tama?

[empty vault]

What makes you guys think it isnt luffy, out of curiousity

[weak arrow]

I'd say most people are thinking Zunesha and tama

[weak arrow]

The gorosei are calling the fruit a legend. However, they would already know luffy has the gomu gomu no mi way before the wano arc. They'd also already know the gomu gomu no existed 12 years ago because they had who's who guarding it. Also luffy has not awakened his fruit.

[empty vault]

still cant help but think of the story the prison guard told whos who and how that guy vanished seeming to signal that the story had some kind of truth to it.

that and how much luffy has been likened to this nika person by hygoro repeatedly. i wouldnt completely count it out but

i can see thats probably likely for luffy not to be the one

[weak arrow]

Luffy being nika or joyboy is completely separate thing.

[gentle lily]

So we know its not a human who ate an elephant fruit because we have two of those already

[sharp axle]

Was the "lurking legend" qoute confirmed to refer to rocks?

[gentle lily]

no

[pure raven]

We don’t know who it is but i would rather just wait and read on(i think it’s shiki or bakkins though)

[empty vault]

yooooo what if the lurking legend is zunesha

[pure raven]

Hmmm

[sharp axle]

Thats why i asked but its a long shot i think

[pure raven]

True, but i don’t see it

[empty vault]

But if zunesha was always a giant ocean elephant....why was it punished for a crime

maybe zunesha is like an entire character thats locked away by a devil fruit awakening, maybe its like a zoan fruit awakening that was made to go rampant like choppers monster point before 2y

[modest trellis]

actually the more i think about it the more Joyboy could actually be Zou

[split glacier]

Maybe think less about that...

[weak arrow]

Think zou's been walking for a millenia, which is b4 all the joyboy stuff iirc

[empty vault]

thats the huge catch for me, zunesha got punished for some unknown crime we have no idea about. And if it was always the giant civilization carrying elephant creature, what crime could it be accused of

[surreal oriole]

I am assuming it was siding with the CDs or just betraying the Ancient Kingdom in the war in some way.

[modest trellis]

didn't Joyboy also break a promise. I was thinking that had something to do with the crime

[empty vault]

so zunesha had to have been some kind of person or being with the free choice to participate in the war involving the ancient kingdom. maaan my heads starting to think zunesha is the lurking legend but its just a theory

Wont hold it as truth

[gray creek]

Joyboy was supposed to bring fishmen to the surface except he lost

[surreal oriole]

Could be. I think it was always a elephant and was probably tricked into betraying the AK. But with the dialogue from the gerosei it's hard to say

[silver sphinx]

Interesting connection. Perhaps Zunesha had a similar role to Poseidon. They both transport civilizations to places.

Maybe Uranus is something that can transport the skypieans

And even though Pluton was a WoMD, it also was a ship too.

[ancient vault]

Looks like zunesha been walking around towards wano?

[modest trellis]

i think he wouldve gotten there already

unless hes just rlly slow

[ancient vault]

It was a calculated plan for him to arrive the day joyboy comes

[empty vault]

okay so ill void what i said about zunesha since oda said the legends connected to whitebeard

good thing i didnt hold it as truth

[verbal yew]

Could the fruit that the government is talking about be the gum gum fruit. I hope not because that would cause a huge problem when it comes to the story. It would be retcon if anything, a really bad one too. If not, what devil fruit are you talking about? LuffyThink

[empty vault]

maybe zunesha dies in the wano arc though, that page seems like foreshadowing

[placid lion]

I’m thinking it’s about Tokis DF

[verbal yew]

Yeah I though of that too.

[modest skiff]

Yeah that’s what I was saying earlier

[modest trellis]

bon clay turned into zou, im right and your wrong

[craggy drum]

what's the theory on the DF mentioned in the latest chapter?

[vale ocean]

Why do you guys think zunisha in wano rn?

[placid lion]

Maybe momo? Or Tama awakening?

[limpid bronze]

Probably just cause the Minx are there and it followed them lol

[gilded willow]

zunesha is imu oldest enemy,

[verbal yew]

I'm afraid that it's Luffy's fruit and I don't like it. Other then that I don't know.

[empty vault]

Its probably not

[verbal yew]

Tokis DF is the only one that I think that would be so dangerous to the world government.

[proud tree]

Why does everyone believe it's Zunesha .. why not another Elephant of same species?

[proud tree]

The elephant is 1000 years old.. it knows what happened 800 years ago in void century

[verbal yew]

So there's another long leg elephany that is walking the earth for all time.

[proud tree]

It is even older then Toki

[verbal yew]

I can see that.

[clear kraken]

That’s just far less likely

[abstract pond]

the problem would be Zunesha itself not a fruit

[pure raven]

why do people think its toki's fruit?

[abstract pond]

Because time travel feels like game changer

[pure raven]

eh, not a fan of time travel in story. hope not

[abstract pond]

My theory is that awakened fruit can make time go through the object instead of sending the object to the future.
And that would be how Hiyori (or Toki if she survived somehow but my bet is that she dead dead) healed the akazaya after they got wiped by Kaido.

[pure raven]

I think they are talking about the gomu gomu no mi, personally.

hinting at the fact it will awaken soon.

[slate mirage]

Why are they talking about it now?

[pure raven]

good question. It is a big flaw about the theory

[slate mirage]

They know about Luffy for more than 2 years

[pure raven]

maybe they talking about Law's ? But I dont see why they wouldbe talking about his

ooooh, perhaps they are talking about Kaido's fruit.

but that still has its flaw so not that

[twin widget]

what do you guys think luffy's awakening will be? if he happens to get one

[slate mirage]

The most simple one is to turn things around into rubber

[verbal yew]

Yup that's the problem with it being Luffy's DF. If it is his then why didn't they throw everything at him as soon as he got a wanted poster. We are talking about a DF that WG fears, but with the way they are talking it seems like they only found out the DF has resurfaced.

[empty vault]

theories are fun but sometimes i get too excited and say dumb stuff, seems like its probably tamas really. its the only df that was discovered recently to have incredible power

[atomic echo]

I belive Luffy will turn his dick into a whip to defeat Kaido

[verbal yew]

No worries. That's what we do. That's why I love fandoms. Haha

[verbal yew]

I've seen that before, but it was Nami.

[light path]

I'm sure someone else probably came up w this too, but my initial thoughts are Imu had a subordinate who had Tamas fruit and awakened it, they were the one who gave Zunisha the punishment to keep walking, then they eventually died and the fruit regrew in wano which is why they thought it was lost forever or something like that.

[ancient vault]

Yeah a bad one

Keep time travel shenanigans out of the manga pls

[ancient vault]

Why would it listne to a kozuki

[light path]

Beats me

[verbal yew]

Time travel can work. Just don't go full Harry Potter or Endgame.

[ancient vault]

Oda made it work. The more often he uses it tho the higher the chance he fcks up

[verbal yew]

Yeah only being able to go forward in time really negated a lot of problems.

[primal cargo]

Tama's fruit ticks the most boxes as for what the Gorosei are talking about :
Checkbox #1 : An awakened user in the past could have been able to give Zunesha her orders, which would explain why Zunesha is shown as they're talking about the fruit.
Checkbox #2 : The Gorosei (through CP0) just became aware of Tama when she gave her orders to her gifters.
Checkbox #3 : The fruit's name "Kibi kibi no mi" / "Millet-Millet fruit" does not inform you of its actual power, as you would expect if it's a fake name.
Bonus checkbox : Unlike other candidates, it's realistic for CP0 to eliminate Tama during the battle

[night condor]

isn't safe to say that after this battle, Luffy will now have the strongest fleet?

If he has the giant elephant on his side then its an automatic win

[grizzled fog]

Probably not safe considering we don’t really know what his fleet will look like after this. The grand fleet doesn’t really stack up to the yonko, except maybe shanks and Blackbeard, and obviously not the world government

Zunisha has a country on its back, if it survives this i don’t think it’s gonna be at luffy’s beck and call. maybe it shows up in the final war

[night condor]

If Momo joins the SH crew wouldnt it be at his beck and call though??

Or Zunisha will stay near wano and they can help each other more

[formal ocean]

New chapter new theory:

"Zou Zou no mi: Model Ganesha"

A mythical Zoan devil fruit eaten by the once human, Zunesha. This devil fruit allows anyone who eats it the ability to transform into a gigantic Elephant capable of dwarfing even the biggest of Islands. It was eaten by Zunesha as a punishment due to a unknown crime he had commited in the void century. Aside from turning into a titanic elephant, the full scope of this fruit's power is largely unknown.

[abstract pond]

I seriously doubt Momo would join the crew. He has to become the shogun and open the country.

[grizzled fog]

Momo joining the crew is a pretty massive if, also not that easy to summon the elephant wherever he is around the world anyway. That relies heavily on momo joining which would be pretty odd at this point anyway

[formal ocean]

Any hot takes?

[grizzled fog]

More likely zunisha settles down in wano after this imo. Either by choice, it gets crippled, or actually does

[cerulean coyote]

Not even awakened if zunesha is only an elephant

[abstract pond]

From what the Minks said, Zunesha could be older than the void century

[ruby depot]

roger named changed after the battle of god valley and garp became the only will of d user known at the time

until luffy and blackbeard the reason why blackbeard bounty was 0

was because of the d

[night condor]

But Yamato keep insisting on taking the title of oden though

I mean i'm assuming he has to join Luffy at some point to see raftiel rite?

[abstract pond]

Yamato didn't know Momo was alive. And she clearly said she wants to sail with Luffy. Oden's wish is on Momo and the Akazaya.

[night condor]

Hmm. Makes sense

lol

[primal cargo]

I was referring to the fact that the order persisted beyond the death of the user. I could see that being one of the possible perks of awakening

[silver sphinx]

You know how Wano is built like a towering volcano? Zunesha could be a method transportation that makes Wano more accessible. He’s the perfect height for it.

[cerulean coyote]

Poseidon order about noah persists despite Shirahoshi age

[primal cargo]

Well that's a different story entirely, Poseidon as far as we know has nothing to do with devil fruits

[cerulean coyote]

True, but you have to assume an ancestral level of power. Order might remain despite death of user.

[primal cargo]

It's a general rule that whatever power you have active is dissipated when you die, awakening could allow you to bypass that rule (I'm basing that off the idea that awakened powers seem to "leave the boundary of the user's body")

[cerulean coyote]

It could also be.

[night condor]

Did brook already awaken his df?

Cause he was able to affect Big Mom's weaker souls to a certain extent

[scarlet stirrup]

bruh what if tama feeds zunesha her dango

[hallow tartan]

Anyone notice how the shadow is in front of the boats but zuneisha is behind them? I think the shadow is potentially onigashima and momo called for help from zuneisha

[cerulean coyote]

Easy, since they both have similar heights...

[sand sail]

Onigashima is over Wano's mainland right now, they're in another part of it

[primal cargo]

Which scene was that exactly ?

[scarlet stirrup]

she just yeets it with a slingshot or something

idk its a dumb theory lol

[cerulean coyote]

Ok it was awakened. Its phisically impossible to feed Zunisha a dango

[hallow tartan]

Do you have a map? I was thinking they could be around where onigashima came from and I don’t remember how far inland the flower capital is

[primal cargo]

Zunesha is gonna empty the whole sea of Wano with her trunk

[silver sphinx]

Maybe but idk what purpose that would serve

[night condor]

When Brook vs against the chess soldiers

Unless those were just grunts??

[primal cargo]

No you're right he did do that, that's pretty interesting. It would be a bit weird to drop awakening like that though, I'd assume it's just a one-time thing to make a cool panel ? Definitely possible though

[dusky fog]

What fruit where they talking about at the end of the newest chapter?

[queen ether]

Probably a devil fruit that is in the form of zunesha rn?

[dusky fog]

Naah

[modest skiff]

We don't know but the main theories are Tama's, Robin's or some crazy fruit that makes Zunesha. The Zunesha one doesn't make sense though because Zunesha has been around for over 1000 years

[queen ether]

Probably not but they did describe it as a legend

[dusky fog]

Yeah

I like the zou theory

[queen ether]

Although 1000 years is a stupidly long time ago, the world government are shocked to know that it actually exist or something

[modest skiff]

They say it hasn't awakened "in centuries". If Zunesha has been around for 1000 years, it feels unlikely they could be the same thing. I guess 1000 years is some amount of centuries, but it just doesn't feel likely

[empty vault]

the tama one seems to be the most credible one, lotsa stuff pointing towards that

[ruby skiff]

what do u guys think post wano bounties will be

[hexed minnow]

So according to the last Page zunisha is a DF? In so weich mythical elephant Can it be ?

[full wren]

nah I think it might be luffy's devil fruit and he is gonna awaken it

cause why would shanks carry that around

[grizzled fog]

Why would the gorosei speak of luffy’s fruit, which they know very well as if it’s a legend

[wet perch]

Maybe Zunesha is an original Oni with an elephant zoan, possibly some Hindu religious model

[full wren]

wait

can tama control zunesha?

[weak arrow]

If it's base existence is an animal, the answer should be yes. If it's like a human or giant that ate some sort of big elephant fruit, the answer would be no.

[full wren]

than maybe her fruit is the one thats special, thats why the last panel that zunesha and mention of a special devil fruit

[digital tapir]

Yeah that’s a pretty common prediction

[pure raven]

im thinking its just a fruit we havent heard of yet

[craggy oak]

From the latest panel, it shows that Zunesha might have a devil fruit? if he does then it could be the most powerful devil fruit since the five elders tried to remove its name from history. And as we know Zunesha is controlled to walk and has walked for 1000 years. So we know that Tama's DF can control smile users. Zunesha having a smile fruit is unlikely due to him being so old, but what if the DF awakens...? Tama's DF Previous Owners might have awakened the fruit and controlled zunesha and therefore has died so he can't reverse the order.

[craggy oak]

my theory might apply

[heady parrot]

the 5 elder stars only had “it seems like an island” to go off of so i really don’t think they were talking about zunesha. i don’t think they even know zunesha is there. why would their first reaction to “it looks like an island” be to freak out about a devil fruit and immediately assume a giant elephant was there? i think these are two completely separate events that are happening concurrently and it’s honestly a little weird the way oda presented it because it definitely looks like the elder stars are talking about zunesha but there’s no way they could know.

[wanton needle]

^bingo

Zunesha could aid Momo maybe 🤷🏽‍♂️

[bronze palm]

Zunesha aided Momo before

[hot isle]

Is it possible that they were talking about robins fruit?

[weak arrow]

No.

The only reasonable conclusions (in my opinion) is it'd be someone without a bounty

[muted ember]

Sounds like Tama to me

[hot isle]

There are still so many unknowns with robins fruit tho like how was she able to sprout horns and wings

[lofty narwhal]

I'm gonna' go with Haki.

[grizzled fog]

Presumably there was so time offscreen between “it looks like an island” and the gorosei’s conversation, that seems to be the implication.

[pure raven]

Guys Powerful People make Powerful devil fruits

I'm telling you, the key is WHO is Zunisha

not What fruit the WG is mentions

What fruit have we really seen that was that game breaking?

The most hyped up fruit we saw, ignoring blackbeards, was Enels and it sucked because he was trash with it

zunesha could just be a mink

I honestly think Zunisha is Joy-boy

Joy-boy is the only na me the WG tried to hide

And they tried to hide the na mee of this DF

While showing zunisha

IT's the MAN not the Df

What is really awakening here? And why does anybody even care?

What if it is a ancient primordial enemy of the WG they thought long gone, who made a reappearance?

[heady parrot]

the possibilities are pretty endless considering these may be the most cryptic two pages in one piece in a minute

[pure raven]

True, but I don't think the possibility is that there is some all powerful DF the WG fears

when has that really happened and executed?

maybe WB's fruit, but destroying the world with it kind of went nowhere

I think this is classic Oda misdirection

[heady parrot]

yeah but at the same time i’m like 99% sure the gorosei aren’t talking about Zunesha in fact i don’t think they’ve even been informed of what the “island” is yet.

[pure raven]

name of DF is synonymous with theUSer

Well they are speculating it's zunisha, and why pan to Zunisha in the last panel then if they are referencing some other bs

Like do you at least agree with me that the User is more important than the DF itself?

[wanton needle]

No doubt

[pure raven]

Then who cares what DF awakens, they should be panicking about the PERSON

But then why me nt ion theDF in this way

It's because of what'ss Awakening

[heady parrot]

i honestly don’t know what you even mean by that but obviously even the most broken df still needs a competent user in order to use it to its fullest potential.

[pure raven]

Guys I'm trying to be a genius and I need some validation or at least counterpoints

Well what do you not get?

the WG said "We tried to erase it's name from the anals of history" What other name did they erase guys

Zunisha is joyboy with some kind of elephant fruit

I've made at least an interesting theory here, give me some credit. It's not the same tired bs

[wanton needle]

No its a good theory

[pure raven]

That's all i needed, thanks Shad

[wanton needle]

Like you said tho, I think Oda is teasing us for something a little different

[heady parrot]

i mean the point “the person is more important than the df” is a bit of a non sequitur. i’m sure most would agree, but at the moment we can’t even be certain on anything about the last two pages just due to how cryptic it’s meant to be. and to counter your point about joyboy being erased: rocks was also erased from history, and it’s implied many times the WG has erased many others including more than just people as well. they erase countries, time periods, etc. the thing removed from history could be anything, i don’t think that alone could point us to joyboy.

[pure raven]

Good point about rocks forgot about that

[heady parrot]

also why would the kozukis curse joyboy to walk forever? isn’t implied they were allies?

[pure raven]

I made a post on red ddit about it

[heady parrot]

unless it was the world government, in which case you would have to make the leap of logic that the WG also told zunesha to listen to a future kozuki ruler too which wouldn’t add up imo.

[pure raven]

but my theory is either: Tama's Devil fruit ancestor, or self imposed journey to rediscover raftel

or just await the one to inherit his will

[pure raven]

Also to respond to your non sequitir point, I'm not saying there aren't infinite possibilities. I'm just saying we can limit the scope of infinity here and assume it's not the gomu-gomue, kaido, robin, etc

I made some arguments to back it up, but yeah nothing is set in stone

[heady parrot]

i agree with this. zunesha as joyboy is a better guess than those for the meaning of those two pages.

[pure raven]

I'm a GENIUS i knew it, thanks dev

check my post out on reddit called " New Ancient history theory based on recent chapter" I

I'm just salty complaining here as it didnt do well

[hexed gorge]

kaido's fruit is named fish fish fruit, but its a dragon, that could explain the "wrong name" for the df

[gritty barn]

Just finished reading that chapter and Good Lord Oda just likes piling on mysteries

What fruit do you guys think the WG is referring to in terms of hiding its name?

[pure raven]

Why would this be news, kaido has been a dragon for a long time

Joyboy = zunisha

[hexed gorge]

but awakening wasnt a news

[pure raven]

Look up for my rant, it's pure genius

[pure raven]

Z

[pure raven]

Like I'm not saying this isn't possible, but Luffy/kaido/BM any of these options would be unbelievably disappointing lame

[hexed gorge]

yeah i hope its something with zunesha that would be more hype imo

[onyx ridge]

Zunesha can’t have a devil fruit. How would it would in the ocean

Devil fruit users can’t swim and loose strength and can’t move in the ocean

[pallid granite]

blackbeard and shanks are gonna come to wano to fight and shanks gonna die

[south ginkgo]

They weren't talking about the Gum Gum fruit. That's all.

[pure raven]

Good point, but he's not swimming he's walking. And tbh we have seen people resist the affects of ocean nullification, such as ace when he was handcuffed with seastone beating up guards. Also tbf zunisha is moving unbelievably slow and he probably is affected. Also why mention df then pan to zunisha if he doesn't have a df?

[fossil frost]

naaah lmao

[pure raven]

Facts that would be the dumbest conclusion to all of this, I have too much respect for oda

[fossil frost]

what devil fruit do y’all think they were referring to?

[pure raven]

Zunisha is joy boy with an elephant fruit

They both commited great crimes long long ago

[south ginkgo]

I am 70% certain they are referring to Zunisha and whatever is going on with that, probably something like the world elephant fruit.

[pure raven]

It would be the most oda thing in the world to introduce one of the most important characters while NOBODY notices

[south ginkgo]

And it's not likely the mean Tama or anyone in Wano.

[fossil frost]

yeah i can definitely see that making sense

[pure raven]

Exactly why would the WG care about a devil fruit in particular? The user is what matters at the end of the day

What can be more terrifying than an ancient enemey thought long gone, re-awakeng and taking stage again?

[hexed gorge]

its standing

[fossil frost]

damn i thought they were referring to black beards df but yeah that’s a MUCH bigger problem for the wg than bb

[pure raven]

What df has actually lived up to op heights? Enels fruit did not make him unbeatable, even WB's fruit never destroyed the world

It's the MAN not the df

Oda is playing all the basic fans thinking it's the gomu gomu no mi

[fossil frost]

yeah it’s gonna something completely unpredictable to your point that’s Odas style

[wet perch]

I do wonder though, if Zunesha is a devil fruit user, and has been wandering for 1000 years, why call his fruit by a different name for a thousand years? What could be special about the elephant fruit that the WG doesn’t want Zunesha killed to reform his fruit? Unless Zunesha isn’t a person who ate the fruit, it’s an elephant that ate some other fruit.

What happens when Zunesha steps out of the ocean and onto solid land?

[pure raven]

The mention of devil fruit is a bait, it has to be a synonym for the user who I think is joy boy

The name the WG was covering up is Joy Boy

i feel like Zunesha stumbled upon raftel on accident during the 1000 years

He is a df user they labeled as zunisha

The minks speculate he is searching for somethinf

That something is raftel, or the inheritor of his will

I am a genius and you better all remember that if this actually happens 😂

[fossil frost]

[delicate tapir]

He’s searching for the next joyboy;

He didn’t keep a promise to help joy boy get to marijois and has been punished to walk the seas for centuries

Now someone who has the voice of all things will help destroy the redline

[pure raven]

I think he was joy boy who failed to uphold the promise to fishman. Also he sure didn't seem to react much when people who can hear him like: Roger, Oden, Luffy, even momo was underwhelming.

[south ginkgo]

There's a possibility that Zunisha is a mythical elephant devil fruit user

[pure raven]

Duh and that user is joy boy

[delicate tapir]

Maybe mythical DF users can’t die

[south ginkgo]

I also heard a nifty idea that Uranus is the special fruit, but I don't think there's been any hint of a super weapon in the arc.

[pure raven]

Only way my theory works

[delicate tapir]

Their fruit can’t reincarnate

[pure raven]

Or he had the heart heat fruit immortality

[south ginkgo]

It does sorta fit with the idea that they specially classified a devil fruit, since Zunisha seems to be the elephant's name.

[delicate tapir]

Something that can reach the stars. Zunesha

The ancient weapon Uranus

[pure raven]

We are eventually going to meet the immortal man. A good candidate is that secret wg king. But zunisha/joyboy could be too

[south ginkgo]

Reach the stars, Uranus was the god of the heavens

Big hm, big think, yayo yaaa yoooo.

[delicate tapir]

Im sama is the arch enemy of zunesha

He probably cursed zunesha and took away his will

Which is why he couldn’t keep his promise to joy boy

[south ginkgo]

Genuinely, just so long as the awakening and the fruit they're talking about isn't the gum gum fruit, society can remain.

[delicate tapir]

IM sama =WG

Will of D = enemy of WG

So of course joyboy is IMs enemy

[pure raven]

Joyboy turning into an elephant and doomed to walk the world and accidentally harboring the mink civization. Is hilarious

Laugh-tale BOOM

I doubt that's what that story really is about, but still guys: zunisha = Joyboy

[crimson birch]

imu sama eyes and zunesha eyes are simiar brothers??

[delicate tapir]

Hmmmmmm

Possibly or people who have gained immortality

[crimson birch]

and mihawk and cabbage too sons??

they might be real devils like devils did not enter the fruits it actually entered into their bodies

[south ginkgo]

Big thinks

Gonna pretend I didn't have to google who cabbage was, I'm definitely a cool guy one piece lore meister

[ornate ore]

yo i just got this crazy theory that the devil fruit awakening they were talking about is kibi kibi no mi (tama's devil fruit) and the awakened version can control zunisha , we dont have any confirmation that its a awakened zoan only the marine officer said that

[river star]

The amount of people that already made up that theory

[ornate ore]

it doesnt make sense for zunesha to be a df user since its in the ocean

[wet perch]

Ocean is like up to Zunesha’s ankles.

[river star]

Theory: Vegapunk is making cyborgs of former dead people such as ace and Pedro, etc to replace the seven warlords. These modifications make them significantly stronger therefore they’re a capable asset.

[slate mirage]

I would hate that

[hybrid glacier]

But what type of DF is it

[hot isle]

Could zuneisha be there to help momo carry onigashima?

[hexed dragon]

So my theory was what since toki had the fruit to travel forward, maybe vegapunk had the opposite fruit to travel backwards? What do you think? Maybe too much of a reach or nah

[mystic crown]

I think vegapunk just has smart smart fruit

[hybrid glacier]

I think that the travel backwards is kinda broken

[pure raven]

What if Zunisha used to be an island (Zou) and someone transmit the power of the (mythical) elephant zoan to it? It's possible to give inanimate objects a DF like Lasoo the gun of Mr. 4 with the dog DF.
The awakening mentioned by the gorosei refers to the island Zou itself, under usual circumstances it shouldn't have a will on its own.
The longevity of Zunisha can be explained with this as well, because an island can not die of aging.

[queen spindle]

joyboy could be zunesha, remember he promise bring noah to the surface? I only see possibility that zunesha will bring it up

[amber oar]

Wrong. Noah is supposed to be carried by sea kings commanded by Poseidon. Apparently Joyboy's promise was making space/making sure fishmen and mermen could live peacefully in the surface.

[cyan oyster]

joyboy could be the imu person?

[swift patrol]

Joyboy has to be luffy. I think. I don’t see why it would be anyone else with the way the story has been written and the parallels between him and gol d. Roger and joy boy himself

[pure raven]

But kaido says that luffy couldn’t be joyboy either

[swift patrol]

Kaido doesn’t have all the info. He thought he was joy boy, and he was pissed that luffy was weak, that’s how I see it. Less of a confirmation and more of a taunt like “you can’t be joy boy if you don’t defeat me”

[cyan oyster]

maybe luffy isnt joyboy after all
maybe he also is too early to laught tale

[swift patrol]

I have a theory but it could just be wrong. But I have been thinking. In wano we’ve seen already “O” being used as an honorific. O-kiku for example, or O-tama. That makes me think: what if oden’s real name is O-Den, thus giving us some sort of clue to what the D means/is? I know it’s a bit of a stretch but it would make sense for the shogun of wano to be referred to as O-den. And what happened to gol d. Roger could have happened to O-den as well, changing his name so that people don’t recognize or know about the D clan. Wano is where the poigneglyphs were made, and it had very close ties to the ancient kingdom. O-Den then could literally mean “respected homeland”, making wano what remains of the ancient kingdom? Idk. Maybe I’m wrong

[swift patrol]

Can’t be, poseidon is born so he’s on time

[cyan oyster]

could be, also i saw a theory where some of the poneglyphs are from ancient kingdom too

[cyan oyster]

even if hes early he will wait

[frosty monolith]

This would be anti climatic

[edgy pond]

What if zunisha have a devil fruit.

[swift patrol]

If we’re working in parallels then oden’s has to be gol d roger’s death. The story has been mirroring prior chapters at this point, so gol d roger being executed and having his name changed translates into oden being executed and having his name changed so that the people of wano don’t get funny ideas. Imagine what would happen if everyone had confirmation that wano was the ancient kingdom.

[ancient vault]

!patterns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[swift patrol]

I’m not saying I’m right. It could be wrong and I’m fine with that, I just shared an observation and I think it makes some sense, but I don’t claim to predict the future

[vestal sequoia]

just a theory

[ancient vault]

Well I think that observation is a big reach and doesnt really make sense.
As the O in Otama or Okiku is a language thing for genders.
Unless youre claiming Oden is a girl with the prefix O-den

[swift patrol]

If it is then I’m wrong and thanks for pointing that out. In my research (which can be wrong) I have only found “O” to be a honorific, with no ties to gender, but again I don’t know japanese and I might have googled the complete opposite. Thanks for pointing that out though 😄

[ancient vault]

Np

[acoustic helm]

They are like Queen + sanji exoskeleton lvl cyborg I guess

[sinful bolt]

This child is Joyboy and he will inherit Luffy's dream

[tired osprey]

youre not the only one thinking that, ive seen in the japanese community a strange fixation on DEN, toms brother. saying that he is Oden, or stuff like he is a kozuki, and one of big moms husbands, etc

[ancient vault]

japanese community filled with yuderons

[warm nexus]

I think not because Vegapunk may be a scientist but he doesn’t use inhumane methods for his experiments unlike Caesar. Remember that he somewhat a for the greater good type scientist because of the plans he made on his home Karakuri Island. He’s also the one who dismissed Caesar because of his illegal methods. Since we have no SSG info yet, it wouldn’t be suprising if it’s just stronger or better Pacifistas.

[manic relic]

Do you guys think there are admirals on the world government fleet that is in front of Zunesha? I always believed that Admirals would come end Wano but now that Zunesha is in front of the fleet i dont think there is an admiral on those ships because Admiral > Zunesha. I think now that the ships are fodder and they were on standby and that an admiral was still on their way to Wano. What do you think?

[tacit veldt]

If Zunisha is a Devil fruit user, it's a fitting and particularly horrible punishment that he goes to go through. Walking through the ocean, the very thing that makes you weak and nauseous, struggling even to make a step. No wonder he's in a sort of catatonic state all the time

*has, not goes

[manic relic]

I think Zunesha is related to Uranus. If he ate a normal devil fruit he would not survive 1000 years in the sea

[plucky kiln]

I don't think the marine is involved in wano

It was mentioned quite a few times that it was the WG fleet heading to wano

I don't think we will see the admirals now, because if the admirals are to fight zunisha either one of them falls and I dont think thats about to happen

[manic relic]

I think the same as you but maybe the admirals will arrive later? Kizaru can escape from the fleet with his lightspeed and go on Wano land.

Why would they send fodder to 2 yonkos straw hats and WG

[plucky kiln]

What do we know about Zunisha:

• It carries the Tribe of the Minks
• its alive for 1000 years
• it did a crime and got punished by someone
• its punishment is to never use violence and to walk
• it can be heared by luffy, roger, oden and momo
• momo can command him

Sidefact: Wano and Mink somehow are related and eternal brothers

So the way I intrepret is:

• zunisha was told to walk for all these centuries, to remain hidden, to protect the minks and to arrive at wano when the time is ready(prophecy)
• the one who punished zunisha most likely is the former head of wano and momonosukes ancestor, because that way we could explain momo being able to command zunisha. and the ancestor head of wano was probably related to poseidon, joy boy and the head of minks

[plucky kiln]

because their target is to kill one person and to invade the country

I dont think that no matter who wins, team yonko or team luffy, the wg will be superior, since the others will be weakened and it will be a surprise attack

[manic relic]

Who was their target they want to kill? Nico robin only?

[plucky kiln]

But what I don't get is this whole command thing

if zunisha is a devilfruit user, what other power must the punisher have to control zunisha

Tamas kibi kibi fruit makes the most sense, but then its still weird why momo is able to command zunisha, and why luffy a nd roger could hear him

[plucky kiln]

yes, they dont care about the others

[split glacier]

Maybe things have "voices" tho. A Ponegylph had a voice

[plucky kiln]

And since poneglyph were made by the kozuki I guess its them

[split glacier]

Previous Tama fruit owner could've been a Kozuki or something and ordered Zunisha to protect/follow the heir?

[plucky kiln]

this is a good point. but wouldn't it make sense to give the charge to the Minks Duke. It was them living on zunisha like forever

[split glacier]

Zunisha is just a big ass elephant. Most likely sentient and not just an "animal", maybe has a DF but negated by being in the ocean

[split glacier]

Not really. They been living there before the void century so it's just their house more than servant

[plucky kiln]

I think a certain incident made the kozuki clan and the mink tribe like brothers. maybe a war. at least something had to cause this strong relationship if it consisted for all these centuries

Shogun, Duke, Joy Boy, Poseidon, Nefeltari...these most likely are the main characters of the void

[primal cargo]

Remember that when we left Zou, Momo stayed there because he wanted to have a conversation with Zunesha. For all we know he could have ordered Zunesha to come over to Wano sometime soon and that's it

[plucky kiln]

this reminds me of the fact that momo discovered something important in odens log that we still are unaware of

[primal cargo]

Right

Ok new theory : Momo, as the heir to the Kozuki, is the only one who can command Zunesha. He must stay alive because Zunesha is the one who can open Wano's borders.
Don't forget that Wano's borders are geographical before anything else. Opening them would mean something like destroying the outer wall of Wano, or at least removing the water inside ; things that Zunesha would be able to do.

[hidden tinsel]

Momo can already do that with his flame clouds

[primal cargo]

Please elaborate

[hidden tinsel]

Well Momo is no holding up onigashima with his flame clouds, couldnt he pick up and move geographical figures by his own?

[primal cargo]

Like take each part of Wano one by one and take them out of the "volcano" formation into the open sea ?

I dunno it was already pretty weird that Kaido was able to separate Onigashima from the ground below, but it looks even less possible for the mainland of Wano...
Not to mention Momo doesn't know how to create flame clouds yet, let alone make enough to hold up an island, so we would need some time before that can happen

[sturdy hawk]

this is obviously a rough 2D representation, and its highlighting the hidden entrance. He didnt split wano in 2

[chilly forge]

yes

[primal cargo]

Who said anything about that. You can see from this picture that the land of Wano isn't just floating around. It's just the emerged part of a bigger formation, therefore how could you lift it up ?

[proud tree]

punishment for 1000 years .. imagine how strong he is on land

imo the Gorosei are talking about Zunesha devilfruit

animals are able to eat devilfruits too, right?

[chilly forge]

hmm idk

i guess yes cuz why not

but why did u think zunesha is an animal

[abstract pond]

chopper

[chilly forge]

oh yes

why did u think zunesha is a animal? he can be a giant with elephant fruit

[pure raven]

i think the devil fruit they are talking about is zunishas

[chilly forge]

yep

[pure raven]

assuming zunisha has a devil fruit

[chilly forge]

i think so too

[chilly forge]

i think hes a giant fishman like wadatsumi

thats why he can walk on water

[pure raven]

oh wait

can zunisha even have a devil fruit then, if hes walking in water

[split glacier]

Exactly. That's what reduces the elephant fruit theory. Zunisha would have to naturally be an elephant.

[pure raven]

when they say awakened it depends on context too

[primal cargo]

People have been arguing back and forth about this for the whole day. I personally think Tama fits the most, assuming the Gorosei are talking about the same thing the whole time

[split glacier]

If it's a fruit turns him into a elephant, I'm pretty sure it couldn't stay in the form for 1000 years in the water

[primal cargo]

Although we do have precedent for people being able to use their powers while submerged in water. Luffy in Arlong Park and on the way to Fishman Island

[pure raven]

they probably either talking about nico robin, luffy, kaidou or zunisha (most likely) not sure who else

[split glacier]

A few minutes vs 1000 years. Yeah it can work for a little but It continually weakens you and you can't sustain it.

Robin's was another thrown on the table. So many choices~ Damn Oda 😢

[primal cargo]

Well maybe Zunesha is badass af. Although I really don't think Zunesha has DF power.

[split glacier]

Could just be a crazy natural mythical elephant.

The Robin one is good tho. It's called the flower fruit, looks like a flower but it's ability is body limb replication and some "devil" form.

[primal cargo]

I'm assuming the Five Elders are talking about the same thing the whole time, meaning the person they want to eliminate is the one who is presumed to have the mysterious Devil Fruit power.
If that's the case then it can't be Robin, they want to capture her, not erase her (and they think they've got her already)

[pure raven]

Laws fruit is quite special too but idek

im not good at theory crafting tho

[sand sail]

They do want to erase her

[primal cargo]

Maybe in the long run but it's very clear that their first goal regarding Robin is to capture her. Probably so that she would tell them where Pluton is

[pure raven]

yeah, they want to erase nico robin as they wiped out all of ohara & her being the last survivor, CP0 also would've killed her if luffy didnt interfere

[sand sail]

They have no idea about Pluton, and they'd already lost their chance to get it at Water 7. They want to eliminate her because they know how dangerous she is, they want to capture her first to see what she knows but death is the only thing waiting for her with them

It wasn't until Spandam that they decided even having an ancient weapon was of relevant interest, their first step was always suppression

[primal cargo]

Idk man seems pretty unambiguous to me. They don't want her dead right now at least. So they wouldn't talk about having her "die in the chaos of the battle". Plus why would we be making mysteries about Robin, everyone knows she's the WG's target already.

[dapper compass]

I don’t think they are talking about what the marines are seeing, because it looks like they are talking with each other (ship to ship) and not directly with the gorosei. I think they are discussing something else, maybe continuing what we saw a few chapters ago.

[sand sail]

Well yeah, they want to grab her. They'll blame her disappearance on the war if it comes to it, but they want to kill her inevitably. You're right, it is unambiguous, they give us a play by play of what they planned with her back in Enies Lobby

Execution is the only ultimate destination for her, they want to interrogate her first

[primal cargo]

Absolutely right. So you'll agree with me then that "It wouldn't be abnormal for a certain person to die during that battle" doesn't fit the plans they have for Robin

[muted ember]

I think that's Luffy

[primal cargo]

Maybe. Thing is, there's got to be a reason for that conversation to be put over Zunesha's appearance. I'd assume whichever fruit it is, it's connected to Zunesha somehow.
That's why people have now started to argue that Zunesha is a DF user. But it could be Tama too.

[amber oar]

If the WG had any vested intent on capturing Robin alive, her bounty would say "Alive only" like Sanji's

They want to make an example like they did with Roger, Ace, etc. Plus, if she's executed publicly, that would discourage those searching for Laugh Tale and/or the truth about the Void Century. But if she dies in battle it's still an acceptable outcome for them

[muted ember]

I'm saying Luffy is who they want to erase not the fruit

[dapper compass]

And if they put that conversation without any link with zunesha’s appearance? The marines are not talking with them, so they don’t know

[primal cargo]

Good point.
I just feel like Oda wouldn't be that misleading with the association between the two but I could be wrong :/

[ancient vault]

Then again that never happened before and was only due to Judges influence

I dont think the person to be killed is Robin personally

[primal cargo]

Here's my most literal translation from japanese :
"It's time to strike... Nico Robin must have been captured by now. If there's a battle with Kaido and Big Mom, it wouldn't be unnatural for anyone to die ! [that person] should be erased !"

Could be Robin tbh, but why would they plan to kill her right now if they think they've successfully captured her ?

[pure raven]

they're probably just referring to Whos Who

[primal cargo]

Wait that makes a lot of sense ? and the conversation derives from Who's Who to the Gum Gum fruit ?

[hoary hatch]

My theory is that the person they want erased must be a citizen of Wano. Because if it was any pirate, there would be no need to cover up the murder.

[muted ember]

They want to erase Luffy

[eternal frost]

80% leaning on that

but oda might pull the rug under us

one piece anime is soo slow paced

[hoary hatch]

But there is no expectation for them to capture Luffy alive. The implication from the comments is that there would be outrage if people (possibly just in Wano, but also possibly everywhere) know that the WG were the ones to kill this person.

[eternal frost]

they might be talkigng abt killing luffy cause
most people in the one piece world who know abt the war between luffy-kaido think kaido will win
so luffy dying would be considered as a death in war

[modest falcon]

They could be coming to finish off who’s who he brought up the gum gum fruit being special in a previous chap and the wg kicked him out for losing it. Also Luffy is the only one who hasn’t “awakened” yet out of his peers.

[muted ember]

Basically my rationale. They want to make sure he dies but play it off as the result of the war even if they're manipulating events behind the scenes

[weak plaza]

Fun Fun Theory Theory is here again.
Help discuss this.
How did Aces’s mum managed to hold Ace for 20 months in her belly.

Anybody remember Chinese myth of Nezha ?

Aces similar to that of Nezha
While Luffy is similar to Sun Wukong

Nezha die once which is he killed himself. But got revived with a lotus root and lotus as his body.

In journey to the west, Wukong is also die once but somehow comeback to life

Do you think Ace will somehow come back in the future ?

or is it the current Sabo is that of the revive Nezha of the myth.

What I’m discussing is about similarities relate to the myth.

[muted ember]

If BB somehow knows where he's buried he could have Moriah animate Ace's body

[weak plaza]

I think Ace represent Nezha, because they’re both taking very long for their mother to give birth to them and same flame ability

Another thing, Sabo might also represent to the dragon price that get kill by Nezha but they’re both friend.
The dragon prince is also got revive.
Because Sabo had dragon wind ability dragon claws.
And they’re both rich family background.

[lusty hatch]

ngl even though i love his character,i dont him to........

cuz that would like ruin luffy's reason to get stronger

[plucky kiln]

I have 2 guesses:

1. She had the gum gum fruit before luffy
2. She had conquerors haki and used it in a way to hold ace by will. She sacrified her entire life spirit for that. haki basically is pure will

[plucky kiln]

The only thing I want is Luffy visiting Ace's grave

[native pelican]

hey guys what do you think is the next arc after WANO

[merry fractal]

I'd like both a post-Wano checkup on the goings on in the world then Elbaf

[native pelican]

yep i personally think is Elbaf too

but there r a lot of mysteries

actually i jus caught up and Oda is legendary

[merry fractal]

Elbaf couldn't come sooner since Joyboy is still living memory for Giantjin

Giantkin

[plucky kiln]

If everything works well in wano we will have 3 red poneglyph. the next step would be to look for the fourth. I have no idea where they would start looking, but whats the thing that will determine the journey of the shs will be what ever happened in the reverie, whatever blackbeards aims for, and whatever shanks is doing

[native pelican]

i don't think they will go to the reverie that soon though . Besides the navy needs some upgrades

[plucky kiln]

wdym by upgrades ?

[native pelican]

The pirates are getting stronger , real strong . The navy has only 4 monster admirals and some other old guys like Garp , so.. yep

[plucky kiln]

The End of wano is way too much to imagine for me. Like there is way too much to take in consider.
We have so many characters, so many groups of people interacting. And still two yonkos and their armies. The end of wano will be huge. the arc itself was build up since punk hazard. It hurts my brain to think about an arc like it to end

[native pelican]

hurts my brain more to imagine about it lolll

i read some theories and mayb Wano will end up on Zunesha ? BTW the onigashima skull is also a question mark

[abstract pond]

Rogue held Ace for 20 months just by sheer force of will.

It took all her strength so she died after giving birth

[plucky kiln]

I'm not sure if that will open up the country the way Oden dreamed of, but it makes sense because wano being open is not going to be tolerated by the WG. They even intended to invade it. If the fleet they send out to invade wano should be crushed the wg wont just back of. wano will be in danger forever.

Zunisha carrying it makes a lot sense in that way

Maybe zunisha is heading towards the lost kingdom, and wants to perhaps unite wano & the mink tribe with it

[plucky kiln]

conqueroooooooooooooooooooors haki

[native pelican]

i was thinking that there are alot of Zuneshas out there rn , i mean the big elephant species . It has damn long legs , so does long-long island come into mind ?