manga-theories

[abstract trellis]

hmu later

[tropic sierra]

xD

[mortal field]

Same, looks to be that way

[tropic sierra]

BB probably following Xebecs Will

[muted valley]

I'm not saying he isn't garps son, but biologically not. Born to another parent is possible.

As Ace could be "Born as Garps Grandson" even though that is both right and wrong

[abstract trellis]

I can see BB being Xebec's son

[tropic sierra]

named his ship Sabre of Xebec for a reason, BB knows more than he shows

[muted valley]

Bb also had. DF book

[vital charm]

just bc they have different face doesn’t mean they are related even luffy and dragon don’t look similar lmao

[sinful helm]

or he is being possesed by xebec idk if there is brook's fruit why wouldnt there be a certain one where reincarnation or possesion is possible

[amber oar]

That's false, people keep bringing up those old Zoro pics from the SBS resemble Rayleigh.

Most mangaka after several years tend to standardize a few types of faces from muscular memory. Hence the Nami clone memes

[sinful helm]

vivi=princeses

[tropic sierra]

Thats fair, Yamato literally looks like Nami without the hairdo

[muted valley]

They don't, but genetics doesn't always follow. I look like my dad, sister/brother doesn't look like either parent, yet their kids look like baby me

[abstract trellis]

the white nami

[mortal field]

Thats adorable

[muted valley]

Ty

I got alot of jokes asking if I was the one who impregnated them due to how much it looked like me over them. My brother looks nothing like any of us, sister barley does. But their daughters look identical to me as a baby

[vagrant ginkgo]

Every new female character oda is making are just nami's with different hairstyles and dress

[muted valley]

Bleach sameface lool

But Oda is pretty good at doing different faces, alot of characters arnt always a standard. Especially more well known ones.

The most recent Xebec silhouette looked like Dragon more than anyone else.

[mortal field]

That doesnt surprise me much. My brothers and me all look like our dads, but barely have anything to our mom

[muted valley]

It happens, genetics are wild.

But that is why Luffy looks like Garp > Dragon even with Odas renditions of Luffy as he ages.

But Dragon having a secret, Roger knowing Garp would accept Ace as "sins of the father doesn't reflect the child".

"Born as garps son" as if it's saying that's what people know opposed to litterally any other way to write its his son. Like Ace "born as Garps grandson" even though that is both right and wrong.

And the recent Silhouette, having a big semblance between the two.

It's not like if Garp adopted him, the WG would outright know of his existence. Then just say "oh he's my son" later on. But it was stated no one knew Jack about him till marineford. So there's alot more secrecy behind him than just he's garps own son.

[amber oar]

You're interpreting the wording from the translation under the English logic and ignoring Japanese's nuance. Maybe in Japanese it doesn't sound like that.

Plus Dragon was born 17 years before the Rocks incident. There's like zero point on connecting both events.

And on top of that Dragon is from Goa, like both Garp and Luffy. Rocks would have to be from Goa as well, or randomly stopping in Goa 17 years before the God Valley incident only to fit someone's headcanon

[muted valley]

Drake was with his father when he escaped to marines. He wasn't a late teen but it's not like Dragon had to go along with Rocks if it was his dad and drug him around.

Do you know japanese? What it say untranslated.

It's not unlike mangaka and Oda to make things semi vague for plot points either.

[pure raven]

What will happen at the end of wano and after it ?
Let's talk about it...

[abstract trellis]

the island of giants

[pure raven]

Most probably

[abstract trellis]

and God island

[pure raven]

Will shanks arrive at the land of wano ?

No

[muted valley]

I think BB goes to Wano and fights Marines and Shanks

Well outside Wano

[pure raven]

He will probably try to steal kaido devil fruit or for some other matters...
BB has 3 heads after all

[muted valley]

If you by that theory

[abstract trellis]

different island

BB has3 heads?

I thought he only has 1 head above his shoulders

[pure raven]

That's the most legit theory i have seen

[tacit veldt]

I dont know about what's after, but i'm certain we're going to have a much clearer picture about the Joyboy, the Lunarians and the void century. What i wonder is who will explain It to us. Will Robin finally decide to share some of her findings? Will Who's Who get up and just start lecturing our crew?

[pure raven]

Lunarians history will be revealed in 1036 i guess
Sanji vs Queen
queen is dumb after all

[abstract trellis]

you know how the dark dark fruit literally takes away properties of the fruit in his grasp i'm pretty sure that fruit is nullifying the side effects of eating 2 devil fruits

[tacit veldt]

For what's after, surely they're going to Elbaf, but i hope they'll set sail towards Hachinosu island after. That island is so interesting and full of important history

[pure raven]

Yaa but that won't be possible if you are having three devil fruit users in one body ... BB

[tacit veldt]

Also i want to see our wacky crew deal with historically accurate pirate stuff

[abstract trellis]

it's still dark dark fruit and he has 2 hands sooo

[pure raven]

Becoming a dragon won't require hands

[abstract trellis]

we'll see what happens i'm not sure if Kaid will even die

[pure raven]

Btw does extracting devil fruit powers require the previous user to be alive?

[muted valley]

Doffy said it, the Throne war is happening we have 5 main contenders and some small change.

If 2 get knocked out at wano that's 3 and some change. Marines/WG want to annex Wano if Kaido looses. BB talked about not letting "them" get it first. Shanks talked about "a certain pirate"(BB). Wano is the catalyst. I think post Wano alot will have happened as they are isolated. Likley will have seen some big fights have happened outside of Wano like BB vs marines vs Shanks or something. As well as Rev army shenanigans.

[abstract trellis]

probably has an expiration time

[pure raven]

Why i always get a strong gut feeling that BB will kill shanks near the end of series

[abstract trellis]

infront of luffy too

[muted valley]

I think he will before they meet tbh

[sinful helm]

post Wano>Elbaf>the island that is before Laugh tale>Laugh Tale> End War

[pure raven]

Yaa BB is the most realistic pirate with only malice

[sinful helm]

i forgot the name of the island that is end one without the poneglyps

[abstract trellis]

we all think shanks will die but we don't agree when he will die xD

[muted valley]

Oh he has death flags

[lethal cypress]

The revs are gonna be making moves at the end of wano

[muted valley]

Laugh tale? Maj?

I also think Elbaf is a Shanks territory.

But we will need strawman grand fleet.

[pure raven]

Shanks can't be the pirate king
I think that's what roger said after returing from raftel

[lethal cypress]

Huh

That makes no sense bruh

[tacit veldt]

Lmao so that's why Shanks was crying?? That poor kid

[pure raven]

Probably ...
Dragon was literally shocked after seeing that news

[lethal cypress]

He was crying because roger couldn't find a cure at laughtals

Theres no way he would be crying because he isn't joyboy

[tacit veldt]

He was expecting to get entrusted with ancient mysteries by his father figure and Roger just leaned in and went "You'll never make It you stupid boy"

[pure raven]

I don't think that oda will hide this thing from us
it's simple

[lethal cypress]

I mean shanks crying would be wild

Because of what you said

[sinful helm]

wait ill google there is one island you can get before laugh tale

Lodestar

[pure raven]

Yaa that was the name

[pure raven]

the second one looks like xebec

[lethal cypress]

It is xebec

Dragon on the left and xebec on the right

[pure raven]

Both are made of bounties

Dragon's bounty wont be less than gold roger
it would be around 6 bil berries

[muted valley]

You laugh but you're likley not far off

[lethal cypress]

I think dragons bounty is 5.5870

Rogers is 5.5640

And I think rocks has 5.6000

[pure raven]

Bounties are a measure of threat

[muted valley]

Oda will do something with the bounty since he likes doing play on words with Japanese and having hints related to other characters via the numbers

[lethal cypress]

If it's threat rocks should have the current highest bounty in history

[pure raven]

Who would pose more threat to world govt that dragon

[lethal cypress]

Rocks was more dangerous than dragon

[pure raven]

Yaa bt their motives are different

[lethal cypress]

Yeah I'm aware

Rocks had 3 of the 4 yonko in his crew

That is the strongest criminal force in one piece

[muted valley]

Unless you know japanese real well I don't think you can do a good estimate of the bounty as Dragon will have some wierd number that signifies something more than just threat. Like oda did with Roger and Katakuri, to relate him to Luffy

[pure raven]

If whitebeard would have attacked the marie jos
he would have had a bounty surpassing roger;s

[muted valley]

Also We may never see Rocks Bounty since he was "erased"

[pure raven]

in their young days

[muted ember]

Yes

[lethal cypress]

You don't need to know japanese really well.

I know the number play within all the yonkos bounties

[pure raven]

just in case

[lethal cypress]

Wb was stronger than he was in marineford then.

Kaidou was alot weaker I agree but likely he would be as strong as zoro or sanji is now.

Big mom would be around yamato level or king if not luffy

[pure raven]

although wb won't be having any buisness with them
unless he had a fishman killed by the celestials

[muted valley]

Changing from how things are written in Katakana vs Hiragana has been used in number pronunciations to signify stuff and it isn't just a oda trait.

[lethal cypress]

The celestials are scum

Theres no reason for wb to not wanna take them out

[pure raven]

Yaa but there are a lot of people like them in one piece

Orochi, doflamingo and BB(the worst)

[wild cape]

usopp will be the one destroying mariejois using Poseidon

[pure raven]

Usopp claiming one piece says:
Why be a king when you can be a God!

[wild cape]

damn right! SogeGod

[muted valley]

Sea kings will tear apart the grandline

Also your thinking pluton

[wild cape]

oh i meant pluton

[sinful helm]

probably bb will destroy grandline imo

[pure raven]

I think dragon would be involved with one of the weapon

[sinful helm]

like if he cant have it no one can

[pure raven]

he is destroying the new world now

[wild cape]

so one piece will come first before the world war?

[sinful helm]

yes

[pure raven]

I think not

[muted ember]

Yes

[sinful helm]

they will find out about the history of one piece and after that End war with people either joining Imu and wg or Luffy and allies

[pure raven]

I think the war arc will come soon after wano

[wild cape]

so we expecting it after wano??? holyyy shhhhh

[pure raven]

Oda claims that op would finish in 5 years
This was a year ago

Wano would take 2 years out of 5

[wild cape]

he said one piece will end in 500 chapters

we are on 1034 rn lmao

[pure raven]

That's 9-10 years

Even oda has a net worth of 200 mil usd

[wild cape]

easy 200mil

[pure raven]

He will be the king of writers at the end of the series

[sinful helm]

end war only after they find one piece no point in end war coming before they find one piece

[muted ember]

When? Where?

[pure raven]

how can i send images?

[wild cape]

i think he said that on one of his interview

[lethal cypress]

Rocks is likely dragons bio father

[wild cape]

he original plan to have 500 chapters

[pure raven]

I think he said 5 years

[wild cape]

but did not expect to be this long

this was from the beginning of op

[lethal cypress]

Sasakis sword is made in vegapunks hometown

Where franky was pre ts

[pure raven]

wtf

[solar knoll]

Really? Where is that info from

[lethal cypress]

What do you mean wtf

[muted ember]

The sword is the same name as the town

[pure raven]

i mean i didnt expected that

[lethal cypress]

Karakuri risento is the name of the blade

Karakuri is the name of vegapunks hometown

And also the fact that he fought franky makes this more believable

[muted ember]

Sasaki is likely Kokoro's son

[pure raven]

🤣🤣🤣
they look so alike

[lethal cypress]

Yeah we know bro

That isn't a new theory

Most of us have seen the theory

[wild cape]

will bb the last villian? or oda will put a kishimoto in the end? lmao kaguya shit

[lethal cypress]

It's credible though

[solar knoll]

Is Sasaki confirmed a fish men?

[lethal cypress]

His half

[solar knoll]

Ahh similiar to Jack

[lethal cypress]

Kokoro married a human from water 7

[pure raven]

i'm curious about cobi

[lethal cypress]

Wait jack isn't half

[wild cape]

cobi being the last one????

[lethal cypress]

When did oda say Jack was half

[pure raven]

I dont think coby would be last

[lethal cypress]

Jack is full fishmen he just has a df

[pure raven]

Coby vs luffy at the end would be same as it went on water 7

Short and simple

[lethal cypress]

I think rocks is an engineer like franky

[solar knoll]

Did they officially announce Sasaki as half Fishmen?

[lethal cypress]

No but if his kokoros son he is half

And that follows the theme of the beast pirates

No offence they are all freaks

[pure raven]

Can someone explain why enma was going wild in 1033

[solar knoll]

Probably Enma was like bitch you aren’t using me to the fullest Zoro

[lethal cypress]

King is a lunarian.
Queen is a cyborg
Sasaki half human half fishman
Whos who likely 3 eyed

[pure raven]

Jack is dumb

[wild cape]

goldfucking digger

[pure raven]

What was that oden's haki in enma all about?

[muted valley]

Nami Def is

Oden didn't have trouble with enma while Zoro is having trouble. So it shows how great oden was and that Zoro has ri prove his worth to Emma that he's worthy

[pure raven]

Soo enma was constantly eating a massive amount of haki from oden
which zoro ain't able to provide
so enma is dumping zoro for that

[muted ember]

Enma didn't have Oden's Haki its just that's what the aura of the sword reminded him of

[abstract pond]

But Oden didn't have trouble with Emman since the first second he used it or happened like with Zoro that took a couple days?

[muted ember]

He also felt "Oden's Haki" when the Scabbards stabbed him all together

[pure raven]

I think that's because oden made it hungry for haki
it got used to oden's masive amount of haki

[abstract pond]

That souns unlikely to be honest

[pure raven]

I'm just suggesting

[solar knoll]

A sword chooses it owner, it was testing if Zoro was really worthy of using him to the fullest

[abstract pond]

To me Emma doesn't look hungry for haki. It's more of a strength test

[pure raven]

Yaa but what was that oden's haki all about

[muted valley]

Oden had CoC and was a true Conqourer in the will sense. Zoro who is just now awakening and using his CoC is nothing like Oden who naturally had it since he was young in large amounts.

The blade is testing zoro, as he stated. He showing Enma he is a worthy owner of the blade.

[abstract pond]

Oden haki in the sword was just a theory as far I know

[muted valley]

Zoro was wondering how Oden used it effortlessly without the issues he's suffering. Which what's his name stated Oden was the only one to tame it.

So the sword is putting zoro to the test.

[pure raven]

I think that's why he knocked out those beast pirates that moment

[vital charm]

i think ame no habakiri has something to do with that

[pure raven]

Was enma the name of underground boss?

[muted ember]

Enma is the king of the underworld

[muted valley]

When Zoro slashed Kaido, he stated Zoro was a king. (Coc usage)

Now during this life or death serious struggle vs King while Enma is testing him he is showing his will. Which is why he knocked them out, as well as the lightning on his blades(CoC coating)

[muted valley]

Maybe... since it's a yin yang confusiaism type of thing

[pure raven]

what's habakiri

[left barn]

I guess this has already been flushed out but….

It would be interesting if the straw hat (either the big one or Luffy’s one) was the key to unlocking Uranus.

In Greek mythology Uranus’ had a wife called Gaia. She was the wife (and mother) of Uranus. She is also the personification of Earth as a goddess.

Straw hats are one of the first hrs made, and originally were made purely from natural resources such as plants.

The straw hat’s primary reason for being made was to guard from the sun as well (obviously), but with strong links to the sun and the moon throughout, it could be linked

[night karma]

Oden’s other sword that he gave to momonosuke

[pure raven]

Ohh
now i remember

[muted valley]

Heaven and hell
It has alot of yin yang and balance relations to Buddhism and confusiaism

[raw palm]

Is it possible to form contracts with a cursed blade?

[muted valley]

Contracts..?

[muted valley]

I never heard that, but that might explain why Imu had the strawhat

[raw palm]

Like if the sword let's the user borrow its power in exchange for something else. I think this is why Enma takes in haki in exchange for power

[muted valley]

Pretty positive that's now how it works.

It's a willpower thing where you have to tame the blades. As was recently stated. Blades are made to kill, some better than others. But those who want to use the best have to be the best.

That's why cursed swords were cursed, because the owners couldn't fulfill their end of the deal to tame the sword. Leading to their deaths.

It's like swords have a will of their own and choose masters.

[raw palm]

If this is the only way I am completely oblivious as to how Zoro is winning against King

[left barn]

Didn’t they just cover that? I thought it was declared that the blades are not cursed, they just put the owners through a test to see if they are worthy of the blade

[muted valley]

They arnt cursed but I'm using that termonology

Since many fans know it well.

[muted valley]

He's not currently winning tho?

[lone forum]

sasaki looks calls

[raw palm]

I am just saying that Zoro is going to win no matter what in order to win the war so the fact that he is going to win with Enma does not seem likely or maybe it will be next chapter

[pure raven]

So about BLACK blades then

Is it when the sword handler completely opposes his/her will onto the sword, becoming „one“ with the sword?

[abstract pond]

We don't know yet how they form the black blades so it's pure speculation.

If the flashback didn't hide it, not even Roger was considered worthy of a black blade

[pure raven]

Its just my theory. Moreso i have too add, that black blading seems to depend on the circumstance, that the wielder understands that the blade has its own will

thats why only the greatest sword fighters are able to

[abstract pond]

We only know 2 swordsmen that achieved black blade iirc. Mihawk and Ryuma.

[pure raven]

Exaclty. Thats why I say it. I dont think Roger nor Whitebeard realized that a sword has a soul. They are not pure sword fighters. For them its just a weapon.

[errant oxide]

Same for shanks

[muted valley]

Go reread/rewatch Zoro vs Mr1

Also there is supposedly a weakness to lunarians. Prolly is having their face exposed. (My guess)

[abstract pond]

Oden neither and he being a samurai probably knew

Oden could be a bad example, he probably didn't care xd

[muted valley]

Black blades are probably from excess coc in a fight that shows true mastery of the blade.

[pure raven]

I dont think so, otherwise Roger etc. would have it.

[errant oxide]

It’s gotta be something way more

[pure raven]

Im sure it has to do with sword mastery. Not so much dependent on power alone

Mihawk even says every blade can become a black bade. So it depends on the user!

[abstract pond]

Maybe is about "being one with the sword" as in the will of the wielder and the sword are in armony

[pure raven]

thats what i wrote above

[abstract pond]

More or less what Aslan said but imo is about harmony and not "opposition"

[errant oxide]

I could see something like Oden and Enma didn’t get along or have the same ambitions or something

[pure raven]

I dont think its harmony. Enma literllay soaks people out of haki

[errant oxide]

Oden had the power and strength but he didn’t care about the ambitions or personality of the sword itself

[pure raven]

In One Piece there is many motives about imposing will

[pure raven]

I think he didnt even knew that a sword can have a will

[errant oxide]

Whitebeard probably wanted to make his sword his son but the sword was like nah bro I wanna be daddy so he refused to become a black blade

[pure raven]

he was just such a powerhouse he could use Enma without problems

[abstract pond]

Feels like fairly common knowledge among samurai

[pure raven]

Where is your envidence?

[errant oxide]

“Feels like”

[raw palm]

I think black blades are blades that have completely chosen their user or the blade becomes black signifying that the blade has a true user now

[pure raven]

Its seems very special knowledge, Zoro only knows thanks to his master. The son of the greatest swordsmith

[errant oxide]

Yeah but why wouldn’t rogers, shanks, or whitebeards choose them

[abstract pond]

Someone told Zoro during the monk robber iirc

[raw palm]

There should a certain catch to it because Mihawk did state that any blade can be a black one

[pure raven]

that is Guykimaru or however he was called. He is not just someone. And even if he told, Zoro didnt realize the weight of his words there

[raw palm]

Kozaburo is not Zoros father

And Ushimaru is not a swordsmith

[pure raven]

Exactly. Also it seems the black blade can be used by anyone. If we go with the Harmony thing, then Zoro should be have problems using Shisui

[abstract pond]

It wasn't gyukimaru, it was someone talking with Zoro

[pure raven]

I said Zoros master

I mean Kuinas father

[raw palm]

Then the black blades may be blades which have been mastered by their user. The whole being black would mean that they have some special power that is only known to the original user. In this case, a secondary user like Zoro would not be able to completely use the power of Shusui

[raw palm]

The people who have black blades are completely sword centric and during fights their power is completely reflected when using swords. In this case, Roger and Shanks may not be completely sword centric and would only use it rarely

[pure raven]

Thats a possibility. Now its a bit hard to theorize, because Ryuma „gave“ Zoro the Shisui. So that could influence the effect.

[raw palm]

A debate can be made in this regard because theoretically if black blades have been mastered by their user then wouldn't the blade be effective when it is being used by the original user. I do not think merely giving it would change the effect. I think Oda deliberately took Shusui from Zoro to support this certain theory.

[oblique isle]

Man I remember people telling me Zoro didn't have color of conquer lmaoo

[pure raven]

Shiryuu is also interesting in this. If i remember correctly, when he gets his sword back, he say something along the line of „it wants to kill“

so Shiryuu could be an example of someone who knows about the will of swords. The swords and Shiryuus will align but he wont be able to create a black blade, because his will can not overwhelm the swords will.

[raw palm]

My exam's tomorrow and I am here discussing swords😂 😂

[amber oar]

Truly skilled swordsmen are well aware of swords' personalities. It's not something Zoro discovered just this chapter

[pure raven]

Yes and No. This chapter he realized the extent of the will. Before this he didnt know.

[errant oxide]

Zoro has talked to his swords since whiskey peak

[amber oar]

Zoro last chapter figured out Enma, not swords as a whole

[pure raven]

Correct! But from Enma he (will) learn about other swords, eg. Wadoijimonji

[grim stone]

He never consciously used the force of his will like other CoC users having King like ambitions. Mostly his force was exerted as a fighter/swordsman.

Also, unlike others that lashed out with all out strength, Zoro shows refined use of his haki. Like we saw with him keeping haki output in control while using Enma for the most of the fights.

[naive breach]

A Theory By My friend , Theory : Why WG need Gomu Gomu No Mi , Another Reason For WG To Destroy Ohara
Theory : The Mariejois Gives Immortality To Gorosei And Imu , Thats Why They Destroyed All Ancient Weapons , So No One Can Destroy Redline/Mariejois , But There Is Only One Devil Fruit That Can Destroy Redline Without Ancient Weapons That Is Gura Gura No Mi(Wb's fruit) , so WG made/found a new devil Fruit that can counterattack Gura Gura No Mi , That Is Gomu Gomu No Mi , After Gomu Gomu No Mi's Awakening It Can Counterattack Wb's fruit but unfortunately shanks stole it.

And The Ancient Weapons Can Be Revived Because there might be some Ponegliffs that have the steps to revie a ancient weapon , thats why WG Destroyed Ohara , But Robin Survived , Thats Why Robin Is a Big Threat to WG , They Are Still Trying To Capture Her. And Only The Celestial Dragons Know The Secret Of Mariejois Treasure That's why WG Cant Do Anything To Celestial Dragons

[raw palm]

So does the world government need the Ancient weapons or not?

[pure raven]

But what does this have to do with Black Blades?

[naive breach]

They dont need them they just want to destroy them

[raw palm]

They do not want to destroy the Ancient Weapons completely. They have a need for them too otherwise CP9 wouldn't have gone through the 5 yr mission. They solely want to destroy them so that they do not fall in the hands of someone dangerous which would prove to be a threat to WG

[naive breach]

Agreed

[muted valley]

People keep forget this. He hasn't "mastered it" only just now "learned it". Also I agree, he is pushing his CoC by conqouring the enma challenge as well as with King to be the best.

[raw palm]

Zoro still doesn't know he has CoC

[grim stone]

Agreed. This was my headcanon for him channeling his CoC only through his sword. Also that i too don't believe he has mastered haki but being a weapons user, he has better control over it compared to others.

[raw palm]

Zoro is not using Coc tho

He never realised it

[grim stone]

Yeah, i have a 50-50 over it too. He is unaware of it. Also - the haki's pressure would be enough to knock fodder out but still NOT be proper CoC .

Luffy's specialty with CoC compared to Kidd implied to have it but still not display it shows there are different CoC users based on affinity

[pure raven]

Also Zoro had no formal training on CoC. Luffy is literally the only one, as far as we know. Also channeling it to swords is not weird, I think. Zoro is a pure swordsman, so its natural.

[grim stone]

I can't say anything concrete on this. As of now, we have no confirmation that Mihawk displayed CoC or Ryuma had it either. We are drawing conclusions based on what we saw happen with Zoro and potential CoC application. (Also Kaido's club)

Apart from that, there aren't any blackblades that exist amongst Advanced CoC users. I could be wrong here please feel free to correct

[pure raven]

I mean above, we theorized to the point that CoC is not needed for Black Bladeing, based on manga etc.

[lethal cypress]

Having conquerors isnt that big of a deal anymore

Yasopp
Beckman
Sabo
Koby
Smoker
And many more will get it

Or show it

[pure raven]

it's not required but now it's the threshold that needs to be met where it's not only skill but strength of will now

[pure raven]

not sure about all that. But I strongly suspect that Mihawk very likely has it

[lethal cypress]

Yasopp definitely has it

[pure raven]

I think the opposite. Strength is not the most important factor, otherwiser Roger, WB would have blackblades

[lethal cypress]

Why tf would the best gunman in one piece not have it

Literally the only reason why mihawk would have it is the same reason yasopp has it

The black blade isn't strength

If it was roger and wb would have it but they don't so it's just a gimmick

It's just a swordsman code type thing

[pure raven]

I say Mihawk has it explicitly because at some point Zoro needs to fight him for the title and you ideally want them to be on the same equal footing. Yassop and the rest don't actually require it and as far as we've seen you can't CoC coat bullets for long distance hence doubt.

[lethal cypress]

Shanks showed conquerors haki bullets

Conquerors coating was shown in the games for years now man

[pure raven]

I wouldnt call it a gimmick

[proud tree]

DonChinjao is the weakest Coc user

[lethal cypress]

Shanks has been using coating for years in the GAMES but there are still some clowns out there that say the games movesets aren't canon

I meant to say GAMES

[pure raven]

the games are definetly not cannon

but of course Shanks has CoC Coating since a long time

[lethal cypress]

I'm talking about the movesets you have no evidence to suggest the games MOVESETS
ARE NOT CANON

[pure raven]

also im sure he is the greatest CoC User. Maybe along Dragon. Im sure their Haki is so strong, that it can affect weather.

[pure raven]

Of course. The manga itself.

[lethal cypress]

Dragon should have the best conquerors based on will

But since its shanks it was likely heriditary

Shanks used conquerors haki bullets in the game

Therefore it's canon

Since the game literally revealed conquerors coating before we knew it was a thing

Usopp has conquerors

[pure raven]

Definetly not.

You are using backwards logic, analyzing what we know today to something from the past.

[pure raven]

Then why didnt he activate it?

Why didnt Smoker activate it?

[muted ember]

Koby not getting conquerors he got knocked out by Akainu and Shanks clash

[lethal cypress]

I said these people will get it

[lethal cypress]

Tf evidence is always past occurances or resources

Do you even know anything about reasoning

I don't see zoro surpassing any of the yonko

Zoro will never have better conquerors or overall haki than shanks

Zoro will never be as durable or have better conquerors than kaidou

Zoro will never be as physically powerful and versatile as big mom

Zoro for me caps above the admirals but below the yonko

Rayleigh isn't stronger than any yonko so why tf should zoro be

[chilly dragon]

Zoro is a swordsman
Every power up he gets will reflect that that is all he desires to be, which is fine

So if it doesn't make his sword swings more powerful, he don't care

[lethal cypress]

I'm not tryna shit on zoro but some people Need to chill

Saying he is as strong as luffy or that he is close to big mom

A captain with a subordinate STRONGERr than him is retarded

[chilly dragon]

Though it's unfair to say with advCoC that he can't tango with Emperors. The wound he gave Kaido proves that, and that power gap can only shink from here.

[lethal cypress]

I'm not saying he can't fight them

[chilly dragon]

But yeah, I get the hierarchy bit

[lethal cypress]

End game zoro will give big mom a high diff fight

End game zoro will push any yonko to 80 minimum in a 1v1

[chilly dragon]

'push to 80' not sure what that means

[lethal cypress]

80%

It's a scientific fact that most humans can only bring a a max of 80% of their physical ability when conscious

[grim stone]

By all means, i agree with Zoro only utilizing any advanced techniques only if it helps further his goals.

[chilly dragon]

All of these developments only encourage my thought that Zoro will cut Onigashima in half.

First a Ship, then Pica, now a whole fucking Island

Fitting, since the most of the things we've actually seen feat wise from Mihawk is him cutting big shit in half.

[karmic jackal]

Enma zoro from licensed official ONE PIECE game “ ONE PIECE voyage chronicles”

[chilly dragon]

🤮

[karmic jackal]

why

[muted valley]

That game has some pretty bad models...

But looks like it gives a big hint about Enma

Tbh the person who said the other sword balanced it out is prolly right

[muted ember]

It's not licensed

[pure raven]

Toei did it again didn’t they fuck them

[obsidian charm]

I read a theory about Gum-Gum no mi , World government protected the fruit as if it awakens it is gonna be like a rubber and rubber earases thing so if the fruit awakens luffy or the user miight be able to erase anything in existence which will be too op so world government seem to protect it , but shanks stole it as he knew what would its waakwning will be and he didn't not trust the word government o protect it or use it for several experiemtns.

[pure raven]

We saw luffy leg in the 1000 poster and we still didn’t believe well here another shit they pulled out because toei have the scripts till 1045

[obsidian charm]

damnnn

[pure raven]

See

Toei keep spoiling fuck its getting out of hands

[muted ember]

What am I supposed to see?

[obsidian charm]

A normal one peice watched won't look at this little details

[pure raven]

Well I am not one of those it’s and always bee that the little details made one piece goated and they foreshadowing

[pure raven]

Yo wtf

[lethal cypress]

Lmao

[pure raven]

That’s my obssesion with one piece I watched the ep than I watch in slow motion after

[obsidian charm]

i mean its good taht there are little hints and foreshawdoing about it

[pure raven]

Tbf it's just his leg changing how does That equals to a entirely new Gear?

Gear 5: Buddhas Leg

[muted ember]

It's a reach

[obsidian charm]

gear 5 will be something else

[muted ember]

That's not even Luffy's leg lol

[pure raven]

Feet fetishers be like

[pure raven]

Look the video man it’s clearly foreshadowing tiger man or 🦁

[obsidian charm]

looks more like a king kong to me

idk why

[pure raven]

Yeah doesnt really looks like a tigers paw

[pure raven]

It could be if that is his final gear than I agree 1000% even his name is monkey his great attack is King Kong soo

[obsidian charm]

i mean his attacks are related to animals

like kong gun, grizzly magmun etc

i think because he trained in amazon lily with various animals

[muted ember]

I did and you're saying the poster in the last frame is zooming in on Luffy's leg right? It's not

[pure raven]

Yeah ofc and when he was little tiger was his worst

[pure raven]

Whose leg is that?

[pure raven]

Before that bro look when he transform his face

[obsidian charm]

i mean he was inspired by a gorilla to create gear 4th so its looks as if he is transforming from a kong

[pure raven]

Yeah but King Kong is the king soo

[muted ember]

Idk but it's zoomed in to the bottom of Yamato and u can clearly see Luffy's legs above her. If I had to guess it looks like Momo's claw creating flame clouds

[pure raven]

Interesting

I'm gonna be disappointed if Luffy doesn't eventually awaken his fruit, the way Oda's hyping it up with other characters

Eh he already has Cocting to defeat kaido and you can say that he still lost but he hadn't pefected it at that point

I think awakening is being left for the future

[obsidian charm]

it has to be some serious villain for his fruit to awaken

[pure raven]

Uhhh kaido is a very serious villain lol

[obsidian charm]

i don't think he will awaken his df for kaido

[pure raven]

Id rather say someone even stronger than him. Serious isn't the right term

[obsidian charm]

yeah , poor choice of words

[pure raven]

Yea same

hmm

It's still a possibility because tigers have been said to be mortal enemies of dragons

But he probably won't awaken his DF

[obsidian charm]

Maybe against BB he might awaken is df but that possibality is too low

[pure raven]

I won't call it too low. For all we know BB Is Racing for Laugh take along with Luffy And they both will definitely clash and oda has already set up BB to be A Very strong villain especially with him Collecting the strongest DF'S. Luffy will need a major powerup If he wants to defeat him and awakening is perfect for that

[obsidian charm]

i think when BB acquires his last df i.e third and becomes like unstoppable luffy might awaken his df then

[obsidian charm]

he has strongest para, strongest logia and he just needs teh strongest zoan

[tardy pulsar]

i disagree i believe the chances for bb is higher than any other villain. bb is more than likely to be the final villain and i’m a believe that even in this state of one piece he is the strongest yonko due to the two df coc haki and potentially awakening both df

so to me at least it makes more sense for luffy to awaken during their clash

[obsidian charm]

i think he will most likely go for Marco's df, he needs health and faster regenration

[obsidian charm]

true

and strongest zoan currently is marco's

and would be ironic that he stole df from his own crew

[pure raven]

I don't think so. We know that After the OP is found only then will the final war will break out and it looks like that BB is reserved for the Laugh tale arc or race to laugh tale

[obsidian charm]

he can't laugh tale without ponegiegh one is in zou and one is in kaido and big mom territory

i think the last ponegeigh is with im-sama, idk why i think world governemtn has it

[pure raven]

We don't know What he has been doing behind the Scenes so you can't really count on that

[obsidian charm]

is he really going for one piece tho?

[tardy pulsar]

i mean in this world one piece = direct route to becoming the king of pirates

[pure raven]

^

[obsidian charm]

i mean he dosen't want to become PK he just wants to create chaos

[pure raven]

What's the point of that?

[tardy pulsar]

also bb is an opportunist. you cant forget he’s been planning for years and marineford and all that was all according to his plans. i doubt someone that did all that planning and even going along with whitebeard group until he got what he wanted will be completely unaware of what’s happening im wano and will just sit around doing nothing especially when big mom is in wano as well

[obsidian charm]

I mean ya he isn't just gonna sit there

[tardy pulsar]

wci is currently unprotected and i wouldn’t doubt if bb found out he’d instantly go and take the ponegiefe since no one is gonna be there to stop him. katakuri definitely won’t be enough to stop bb or his crew

[pure raven]

Good point

[tardy pulsar]

the last time we saw bb i’m pretty sure he just said “it’s time to get on the move” something along those lines

[obsidian charm]

last time we saw him was when he met moria right?

[lethal cypress]

You know how king Kong is from skull Island.

And the skull of onigashima likely came from punk hazard and brought by kaidou

Do you think potentially kong was originally from punk hazard

[tardy pulsar]

maybe i don’t remember too well

i think there was another scene after that in a different episode but i could be wrong

[obsidian charm]

i mean as far as i remember i think we saw him in new animation

[lethal cypress]

The skull from onigashima likely came from the centre of punk hazard

[obsidian charm]

Dunno

maybe it is, can be a good point

[lethal cypress]

Punk hazard used to be a place where criminals were experimented on by scientists

The real king kong was experimented on by scientists.

And was from skull Island. Kaidou got the numbers from punk hazard.

Highly doubt he carried them by ship.
I think he brought the skull and core of island with the numbers on top of it

Basically punk hazard was the original skull Island

And maybe kong was originally a criminal experimented on

[obsidian charm]

We will get more info about this in teh upcoming episodes or the movie

maybe it could be

[lethal cypress]

What tf why would we get this info in movie red

[tardy pulsar]

i think the last time we saw him was with the sabo news right

[obsidian charm]

ya i think so

it was somewhere in the middle of wano

[tardy pulsar]

yeah and that’s where i think bb just started laughing and said it’s time to move

but again i could be wrong because i really don’t remember

[obsidian charm]

ya lemme check give me a min

[tardy pulsar]

blackbeard tells his crew to come set sail with him, saying he would take “it” for himself before the marines do so

[obsidian charm]

BTW he appeared in episode 917

BTW i just watched the episode again, BB knows everything he wasn't sitting around he knew who was in wano what happned in mariejo etc

[pure raven]

Wait a second I re read that chp

And it is mentioned something about vivi we don't know and I am presuming cobra got killed and Vivi fleeted. Now we know That the poneglyph that describes the location of pluton is in alabasta and It is left unprotected if cobra is killed. What If the Marines were trying To claim it but BB decided to Attain it for himself

The five elders asked which light do you want to be erased from history

And before that we see him cut apart Luffy and Blackbeard's bounty posters and stabbed the photo of princess Shirahoshi. With a photo of Nefertari Vivi in hand,

I believe they were gonna assasinate vivi but cobra dived in and sacrificed himself allowing vivi to escape

[tardy pulsar]

i think sabo fits somewhere in that theory

i think they’ll pin cobras death on sabo

[pure raven]

Interesting

They can Dirty the RA on that

[tardy pulsar]

i think it’s possible sabo killed kuma out of mercy because he couldn’t stand to see his friend like that but got overwhelmed by the amount of marines and they captured him and pinned cobras death on him and they’re holding him on mariejois

i know a lot of people think he’s dead but oda will not kill a character of that much importance off screen

at least i hope not that’d be a poor choice imo

[pure raven]

Wait garp said that they are trying to keep That event down at all cost but if they were gonna pin it on sabo why would they try to hide it in the first place? They can Dirty the Revolutionary army

[tardy pulsar]

good point

maybe it’s cause vivi did manage to escape so they if they go public with it then the marines will look bad to the public once vivi discredits their claims

because the marine has made it clear time and time again that their public image is at the up most importance as well

[pure raven]

Vivi is currently undercover why would she try to Go public

She can't really discredit their claims if they are looking for her

[tardy pulsar]

yeah you’re right

but the way dragon looked after reading it makes me feel like morgan definitely twisted something to make the revolutionary army look bad

[pure raven]

Morgan loves drama since it sells so yeah could be

[tardy pulsar]

i don’t believe someone like dragon that has always been so cool and collected and nonchalant would just react that way if sabo just straight up got captured and i know he’s not dead because he wouldn’t get killed off screen

[pure raven]

But then again A CP was sent to stop him from publishing it and why would WG send a agent if Morgan was gonna make the Revolutionary army look bad

[tardy pulsar]

well i never said he was only going to make the revolutionary bad

we know morgan doesn’t pick sides and doesn’t filter or cater to one side

[pure raven]

Hmm

[tardy pulsar]

he publishes whatever he wants whenever he wants and he holds the most influence in the one piece world. a lot took down in mariejois so it’s probably the most insightful newspaper there is which there’s multiple stories to cover

[pure raven]

“A Revolutionary memeber found guilty of Murder of King cobra"
Or
“The WG assasinates King cobra"

Now This could go either wait but I don't see how He can make a headline which paints both Of the Them bad

Or it could simply be two different things.

“WG Assasinates King cobra"
And
“WG captured a revolutionary army Leader In mary geoise"

[pure raven]

True

[ripe geyser]

Wait - that’s not an Shandian or a Skypiean

[pure raven]

Oni or a giant really hard to tell

Or a statue which is used as a landmark lol

[ripe geyser]

It do got the horns tho

[pure raven]

Oars was a giant and he got horns too

[ripe geyser]

We didn’t see any horned creatures or horned statues in Skypiea

[amber oar]

I may be wrong but all the horned giants we've seen are ancient giants right?

[ripe geyser]

That’s what I thought

Horned giants are ancient giants I think

[pure raven]

Well what's the difference with onis

[pure raven]

The numbers are Failed giants and they have horns too

[amber oar]

Horned and far larger

[tardy pulsar]

maybe “Second in command of Revolutionary Army Sabo kills Defenseless former warlord Kuma” “WG assassinates Cobra and attempts to assassinate vivi”

[amber oar]

Numbers are failed ancient giants

[tardy pulsar]

something along those lines but again like you said goes both ways

[pure raven]

Yeah that too

[pure raven]

really?

[ripe geyser]

Anyone remember when Continent pullers were mentioned in Thriller Bark?

[pure raven]

Yee

Oars was a continent puller

[ripe geyser]

And remember how Onigashima has a giant horned skull on it?

[amber oar]

"Continent puller" was an epithet for Oars in particular

Like "Pirate King" or "God Usopp"

[ripe geyser]

And remember how Skypiea has a missing left eye?

[pure raven]

Yes I have read that theory

[ripe geyser]

It’s so good, it has its flaws like any other theory but it’s 100x more valid than Ohara’s

[pure raven]

Wait then whtas the difference between Ancient giants and onis?

[tardy pulsar]

what do you guys think is going to happen with the marines in wano ?

[ripe geyser]

Onis seem to be smaller

[pure raven]

Hmmm

[ripe geyser]

And they’re more human-like than ancient giants

[pure raven]

Tbf the only ancient giants we have seen are failed and A zombie

[ripe geyser]

They’re ancient, ofc there aren’t gonna be any actual ancient giants wandering around

[amber oar]

Ancient giants are several times larger than giants, and seem to have the same lifespans too (3x as humans) or even larger

Onis haven't been well defined, just named passing by. We supposed Kaido and Yamato are onis, but they aren't even larger than the largest humans we've seen, and they seem to age at the same pace as humans

[sand sail]

Oars Jr.?

The literal ancient giant that was still alive today

[pure raven]

Yeah that's what I am saying we domt know how they originally looked

[ripe geyser]

Riiiiiiiiiight

[sand sail]

But we do tho

Because we had one in Marineford

[pure raven]

Uhh what? Captain john?

[sand sail]

Little Oars Jr.

Oars's grandson

[ripe geyser]

Yeah I remember Oars Jr don’t know why he didn’t cross my mind

[pure raven]

Hmm alright fair point

[ripe geyser]

He was absolutely gigantic

[pure raven]

And non humanoid

[sand sail]

He was entirely humanoid

He just had horns too

[pure raven]

Not as much as onis

[sand sail]

If Oni is a race, the only difference besides the size would be the teeth so far

But those are superficial and don't really matter anyway

[amber oar]

Kaido and Yamato have normal teeth

[sand sail]

Yeh, Oars sure doesn't tho

[pure raven]

Wait so What if Onis and giants come from One species: ancient giants

[sand sail]

They don't

The ancient giants are just a different tribe of giants, not ancestors

Oars, for example, only died about 500 years ago. That's like two generations for giants, they live to be around 300 years old

[pure raven]

Really? They are a entire different race

[sand sail]

No, a different tribe

[amber oar]

Little Oars Jr. is 72, that's like 24 in giant years

[pure raven]

Ohhhh

[sand sail]

Just like the giants of Elbaf are a different tribe than, for example, Saul

[pure raven]

But ancient Giants really just look like what happens if you combine giants and onis

[ripe geyser]

Ancient giants are a different tribe

[sand sail]

Oni isn't even a for sure thing yet, but no, they're bigger giants with more teeth and horns

[pure raven]

Yeah I got it

[sand sail]

The horns are literally the only thing they have in common with the ancient giants

And horns aren't really a thing worth looking at, unfortunately

!horns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[pure raven]

[ripe geyser]

Onis are weird we’re not sure if they’re their own race or not and yet various times we’ve seen horned people be called Onis

[sand sail]

Just Kaido and Yamato so far

[ripe geyser]

Guess we’ll have to see what Oda has in store

[pure raven]

Kaidos flashback can't come sooner

[ripe geyser]

At this point Kaido’s flashback is what I’m looking forward to the most

If his flashback has some of the God Valley incident that would be amazing

[pure raven]

It's like the perfect opportunity for oda to show godvalley

[ripe geyser]

Oda chose to introduce Rocks between act 2 and Oden’s backstory, he must’ve introduced him there for a reason

Though I feel like most of the Rocks stuff we learn about is gonna be when we get to BB

[pure raven]

Why tho? Just because BB'S ship name is saber of xebec? Wait actually xebec could be his Inspiration

[ripe geyser]

BB seems paralleled to Xebec, not saying he’s the exact same in terms of characteristics and ambition but he’s definitely paralleled

[pure raven]

God valley happened 38 years ago and BB was 38 years old when he was introduced

[sand sail]

How is he paralleled?

[split glacier]

Luffy has Roger's will, BB has Xebec's will.

[sand sail]

Yeh, Blackbeard was 2 years old when God Valley happened

[pure raven]

But wasn't godvalley Erased from existince? How did he learn about it unless he was xebecs son lol

[sand sail]

He sailed with Whitebeard for 20 years lol

[pure raven]

Hmmm So WB told him all about xebec?

[muted ember]

He told Marco about Lunarians so why not?

[sand sail]

It was covered up after the island was destroyed, but an info campaign against it doesn't mean no one will ever learn about it. Whitebeard could have told him, or any of his crewmates who could've been there at the time as well, or someone from Roger or Shiki's crew as well

Whitebeard's less likely to have told him about Xebec than the others, but it's not like there were no sources around

[pure raven]

Good point

[muted ember]

Punk hazard came up I have a theory on that

[sand sail]

Being Xebec's son doesn't really help unless his mom decided to fill his head with everything Xebec did, he was 2 years old when the guy died and nowhere near him

[pure raven]

[muted ember]

Wano/Post time skip theory:

TLDR: MADS was together on PH 4 years ago.

First, I just find it hard to believe Momo's fruit was just sitting there for a long time (decades if they truly disbanded). Niji said Vegapunk was arrested, but then he said "they" were disbanded... "or rather absorbed into the government." We know Judge had a spot at the Reverie until recently when his attempt at an alliance with pirates was exposed. Is "they" Vegapunk and his team?

On Punk Hazard, one of the blocks is R-66 even though there are only blocks A-D, it seems out of place. Maybe this is a tribute to Reiju as the first enhanced child, who happens to have a 66 tattoo on her legs. Moreover, Sanji read the devil fruit encyclopedia as a small child, one of few characters who even mention it, and Koby heavily implies all these discoveries were made by Vegapunk. Did he show Sanji his book on a visit to Germa?

The sign on the entrance to PH has a World Government and Marine symbol next to what appears to be Onigashima, implying it could be jointly controlled by Kaido and the WG. The island does not appear on log poses, possibly because Kaido has moved it from its original location multiple times, and it is conveniently close enough to Dressrosa that Doflamingo can fly there in a few hours.

Kaido could have been made a Shichibukai at some point, establishing a connection with the WG, and when he left and became a Yonko he somehow made sure Joker would take his spot, maintaining the link between his underworld business and the government. Something interesting to note here is that Queen's laser is very similar to the pacifista, which Drake says employ Kizaru's lasers. If Queen has had recent encounters with Vegapunk, it would make sense for him to have access to the same technology.

I have a reverie theory too

[pure raven]

About cobra getting killed?

[muted ember]

I don't think that's what happened

Reverie theory: Bonnie killed Roswald bc of Kuma. Sabo arrived to free him and took Bonney with him too. When they ran into Fujitora, he lowkey let them go, but the government pinned the murder on Sabo to spite the revolutionaries. As for the attempted murder, Mosgard attacks St. Carlos for trying to kidnap, Shirahoshi, and the government wanted to cover it up to hide any internal strife among the celestials. Morgans is just exaggerating it as an attempted murder for the headlines

[tardy pulsar]

i like this one

[pure raven]

My theory is that King killed the Lunarians himself

It has probably been said by someone else here but idk that’s what I think

[gray creek]

The way whitebeard talks about it makes it sound like it’s been legend for some time

[junior cape]

Yeah

[pure raven]

My Theory is that Sanji is a half lunarian

[junior cape]

Or at least has Lunarian heritage. From what I remember, his mom Sora looked human enough.

[sand sail]

He probably doesn't have any kind of lunarian in him at this point. It seems like that was just an excuse for the Lunarian exposition, not that it actually applied to Sanji at all

[junior cape]

Hmmmmmmm... Maybe you're right. Maybe it's not actual Lunarian heritage, but Judge's genetic modification that got Queen confused. Think about it: from what we've seen from King, Lunarians are INCREDIBLY tanky, can generate fire on demand, and aren't very emotional. Judge's kids (aside from Sanji) fit the first and last characteristics, while Sanji fits the first and second. I would think that suggests Judge, who would definitely know what Lunarians were, was at least a little inspired by them. Dude was a king, a fierce warrior, and he worked with Queen and Vegapunk for a while, so it wouldn't be surprising.

[cyan berry]

The only Lunarian we've seen is King, so you cant exactly pretend his character quirks were something every Lunarian had

and him being "incredibly tanky" is probably just an application of his Lunarian abilities

[sand sail]

Lunarians aren't tanky in the same way Sanji and his brothers are, though. All Judge gave his kids were the exoskeletons and raid suits, Lunarians are evidently some of the hardiest people in One Piece ever. Judge doesn't necessarily have to know about them at all

Queen could very well have never known about them until he met King

Sanji can generate fire on demand now, and his brothers are plenty emotional, they just lack empathy.

[lean spade]

That flaming kick from Quinn was very similar to 1 of Sanji’s attacks. Think that’s some foreshadowing on Oda’s part

We’ve got the reveal of the Lunarians along with Sanji going through a body identity crisis? Too coincidental

[muted ember]

Don't forget King is also an ancient zoan and he's probably among the stronger members of his race without it too

Also King does get emotional he just hides it. The beast pirates said he got angry when his mask broke but he calmed down a little when they were away from everybody else

[lean spade]

The process Judge put his kids through is supposed to remove their emotions

Perhaps Judge found the Lineage Factor for the Lunarians and was able to splice it to various effects.

[hollow prairie]

I actually have a really strong feeling that shanks is going to die before Luffy ever gets to meet him again. Do I have evidence to back this up? Nope.

[gray creek]

There would be actual riots

[pure raven]

do you think shanks is a cestial Dragon i think i would make sense cause that would explain how he good to mary geoise but there would still be the question why he talked to the five elders and about who he talked to what do yall think?

sorry for the bad speling im actually german

[stoic hound]

I guess he is just an influencial figure to the world without being a maniac like Kaido or BM

[pure raven]

mhhh i dont think so because even if it is like this the world government wouldn’t let hime go there

[stoic hound]

I disagree, sengoku not only stopped the war when he came, but also agreed to let whitebard and ace get a proper funeral
Also iirc, the five elders also said something like ''Only because it's you'' when he visited the place

Sounds like they hold a good enough image of him, or are at least in respectable terms

[pure raven]

mhh okay maybe youre i hope well so in the movie that comes out 2022 SO HYPED

[drowsy garnet]

do any of you all think that if a straw hat was going to die it'd be brook ? i find it would make a lot of sense for brook to die since he would outlive all the straw hats in a biological manor

[pure raven]

No, he actually will be the one to outlive the rest. Like make songs of legends of the straw hat pirates

I dont think any strawhat will die, but if one would passy away, I could see it being Jinbei or Franky 🥲

[drowsy garnet]

i feel it'd be less pain for brook to die than for him to outlive everyone

[modest skiff]

There's a few theories on shanks, including him being either a CD or Xebec's son. Hard to really say. After a lot of discussions in this channel, I think most people end up concluding "Not enough information to determine"

[analog sun]

How can the Red movie involve Shanks in a significant way without being cannon/spoil any of his manga mysteries? (Not a rhetorical question, I know it can be done, just trying to determine how)

The way I see it, the antagonist could be an ex member of the red hair pirates. The story could then be mostly about her and some conflict with Shanks' crew (maybe during the timeskip) with no direct involvement from any straw hats. It could develop the lore of the crew without having to actually reveal anything sensitive to the canon plot.

In any case I think we can use what the movie tells us and, most importantly, doesn't tell us to infer some answers to these questions about Shanks' origins

[muted ember]

This is a weird question bc if it's non canon it inherently has no bearing on the lore of the manga

[abstract pond]

I swear, if Brook dies before reuniting with Laboon I'm gonna find you

[simple bear]

thoughts?

gear 5?

[sharp anvil]

Thats cool. First guess is face of a devil.

[drowsy garnet]

It makes sense for him to reunite with laboon before but then die after ngl

[sharp anvil]

Also is there something about the movie not being canon?

With the scar over the D that would kinda stink

[muted ember]

The movies are never canon so until they say it is I'm assuming it isn't

[grizzled fog]

It’s just speculation, it most likely isn’t but nobody actually knows

[sharp anvil]

Gonna be tough to make a movie that doesn't reveal anything about a person that raises more questions than answers. Yay more questions

[muted ember]

If it's non canon what questions would it raise? It has no bearing on the actual story

[sharp anvil]

None

Would be a bad movie lol. He has one arm a sword, and CoC

[grizzled fog]

If it’s actually canon they don’t need to worry about not revealing things lol. If it is canon there’s nothing wrong with them revealing things

[sharp anvil]

Actually he'd have two arms lol didn't think

Just dying to see more about Shanks lol ignore me

[analog sun]

Yeah it would be weird to have canon revelations in the movie. At the same time, if you're making a Shanks movie, the people are gonna want to see some cool Shanks stuff. So I was wondering how this was going to be done and whether it can still be used to infer canon information.

[sharp anvil]

I'm hoping this could be a hint that we will see more of Shanks in the upcoming months leading to the movie. What we know right now is not enough to make a good movie without adding details.

The title could mean nothing also lol

[clever lintel]

I doubt it amounts to anything, but the bit of King's hair we have seen reminds me of Tenguyama's hair

[shut finch]

Tenguyama is King confirmed

[clever lintel]

Oh definetely.

But I do wonder about Tenguyama if we'll get SBS info that his wings are for show or if he's some kind of sky race.

Tenguyama raises a lot of questions along with King.

[muted ember]

We already know his wings are fake

[clever lintel]

I need a citation

[amber oar]

Hitetsukiyaking

[clever lintel]

NM

although

[muted ember]

I couldn't remember the chapter lol but u found it

[clever lintel]

Yeah but the last image makes me wonder if they're folded.

Folded in shadow

[grizzled fog]

He also didn’t fly after tama to get her back

[clever lintel]

Though that's common with sky races

[muted ember]

To me it just looks like his coat but ig

[sturdy hound]

i really think his wings are purely aesthetic, just the whole tengu living in the forest vibe

although, i wouldnt be too surprised if wano had an actual tengu race tbh

[sturdy hound]

irl bird logic wouldnt really apply here, youd have better luck looking at tengu depictions and myths

[sturdy hound]

@fresh pecan contribute something of value rather than just posting random emotes, this channel is geared towards serious discussion only

[muted ember]

His wings are white so we would still see them clearly when folded

[clever lintel]

Though he could have his hair over it

[muted ember]

His wings extend way above his head

[clever lintel]

They can be folded.

[muted ember]

Was that pic of urouge supposed to be him w his wings folded?

[clever lintel]

partly. If they can be used like limbs then surely they can be folded.

[abstract pond]

Now the question is: are King's wings black or they covered in leather too

[clever lintel]

Either they

black or dyed

[muted ember]

Well even partly folded u can see the arch of his wings is still above his head

[muted ember]

I think they're black

[clever lintel]

I'd love for them to be dyed so King is just extra

[night karma]

Facts

[abstract pond]

My bet is for covered in leather

mostly because of this https://www.opfanpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/3-13-1.jpg

[clever lintel]

I'm still impressed by Enel's back piercing.

[bitter kraken]

Peeps sleep on enel dude is a monster

[clever lintel]

Enel tore out his own wings and wears a huge ring piercing. Dude is horrifyingly extra.

[muted ember]

U know there is another pic where one of the figures wings are not shown?

[abstract pond]

I don't remember that one

Also, kinda related. I think the Minks are aliens

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/c/c7/Space_Pirates.png/revision/latest?cb=20110421034011

[abstract pond]

And that there is one alien in the revolutionary army https://external-preview.redd.it/yu5Vy1aKWcKeS2fRBchdMawCTqX75jDASCK-YE1zx00.jpg?auto=webp&s=7a9c4941e1e874ade82677e112396889ebf49bd3

[abstract pond]

They have wings there

[sharp anvil]

Those gauges don't line up js

[muted ember]

Not the dude in the corner his back is off screen

I bet his wings are black

[abstract pond]

That one looks like one of the small robots wait no, doesn't have moustache

[sharp anvil]

His wings could be covered in haki

[muted ember]

True but Haki is a finite energy why would he waste it just to keep his wings black?

[visual merlin]

yea its not haki

[sharp anvil]

No way to know how armament or haki would work with a Lunarian. Plus we have Zoro finding out he can release his Haki like he does. Then king says "so you do want to be a king"

[muted ember]

Well unless the story tells me Lunarian haki is different I have no reason to believe it does. And it works the same for every non human race we've seen use it

[sharp anvil]

Just speculation. Wouldn't throw it out completely.

And we have Zoro releasing Haki in a way we haven't seen yet with King referring directly to his use of Haki disregarding limits.

[visual merlin]

Yea there's 0 reason to believe it works any differently. every other race experiences haki the normal way

And none of what happened with zoro gives any indication that king or lunarians in general would be able to have haki on their wings 24/7

[sharp anvil]

Your absolutely right. There have been no facts. That's why this is a theory.

If it's stupid I'm sorry? But we also don't know what the flame is on king. That could be his overwhelming spirit.

Would also explain why they can survive all conditions

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think in the absence of actual hard information, its totally appropriate to speculate

[visual merlin]

Sure I'd just call it a bad theory with nothing backing it up in that case, and the flame thing or some sort of overwhelming spirit also wouldn't correlate at all with 24/7 haki on his wings. And this doesn't have to be some conflict, you don't need to say sorry, we're just having a discussion

[amber oar]

A theory doesn't have facts, but it must have at least a starting point to back it.

You don't see a car running on a straight line and theorize it's suddenly going to make a 180º, grow wings, change color and throw heart shaped balloons from the exhaust pipe

[sharp anvil]

There's just alot to talk about lol

King is a straight up race of being we haven't seen before. I've seen a car.

[amber oar]

but you just don't assume things. That has a different name.

[sharp anvil]

Conspiracy lol?

I was answering the why are his wings black.

[muted valley]

How is he an alien?

[sharp anvil]

And then how could he have unlimited haki. I don't think it is a good theory either

[visual merlin]

they're probably black naturally, or its just somehow part of the suit he's wearing

[modest skiff]

He has the pressure gauge that was seen by all the space folks on the moon

[muted valley]

Kings wings we3 black because he REALLY REALLY likes wearing TIGHT latex all over. Makes him feel good

That Guage is on his equipment, which is mechanical not his body like the other aliens.

[sharp anvil]

Also measuring pressure drop and not increase

[muted valley]

We've seen guages elsewhere too

[abstract pond]

He looks a bit like an animal like the space pirates and has one of those gauges.

[amber oar]

the word was headcanon

[sharp anvil]

I think the space dudes are robots

Just the ones that have the gauges though

Weird they are all different

[desert hatch]

i liked yuderons idea that kings a coal person or something like that. his exterior would be like pressurized carbon and it would explain the fire stuff. don’t know if he’s right but seems like it would be close

[muted valley]

He does, but the aliens don't look like normal people/animals.

Also all those gauges are on their belly. While his is on his ice jetpack weapon, since it uses pressure it's going to have a guage to measure it.

While the aliens have it apart of their body, where we were shown many were robots. And them having a Guage might mean they arnt organic but robotic.

He's prolly a mink or a zoan user. But I think he might have worked for MADS

[amber oar]

Checked the aliens' panels and I don't see anything that confirms them as robots tbh

[muted valley]

What does a Guage do?

Also the first soilders that Enel met were robots

[amber oar]

The soldiers, yes, but not the space pirates
How a guage implies they're robots?

[muted valley]

What does a Guage do? What is its use

[amber oar]

measuring things. How does it imply they're robots?

[muted ember]

Wouldn't the automata not having guages be an argument against them being robots?

[muted valley]

One of the aliens doesn't have one

[amber oar]

ok but what's the logic behind having a gauge -> being a robot.

[muted valley]

Also steam is bellowing out behind them.

Steam is a power source associated with guages to measure it.

[sharp anvil]

So the space ones look like fuel because they are at different stages

[modest skiff]

We don't know what the gauges are measuring. It could be many things.

[sharp anvil]

Yeah could just be oxygen

But then why does the other guy not have it

[modest skiff]

oxygen, voltage, charge, pressure, gas flow

[sharp anvil]

Could even just be timers

[muted valley]

It'd have multiple guages

There wouldn't be a red section that indicates over charged

[sharp anvil]

Could also be close to empty

[amber oar]

Who knows, they may even have some suits to enhance their strength, like a poor man's raid suit. Just speculating here.

And btw yes at least one has two gauges

[sharp anvil]

Forgot about him lol dudes massive

[muted ember]

Maybe some of them can breathe on the moon and some can't

[amber oar]

no mask tho

[modest skiff]

Honestly when I first saw that, my assumption was that it was measuring time, not a gauge

[muted ember]

Maybe only the ones who have to go into the gas need guages

[modest skiff]

Enel seems to breathe just fine on the moon, so perhaps One Piece moon is a perfectly suitable place to live

[muted ember]

Well Enel is a moon person so we really wouldn't know from his example

[sharp anvil]

Only other thing I take from it is they look like they have zero muscle mass which makes sense if they live in space now and weren't there originally.

[abstract pond]

Maybe for oxygen or gravity or pressure or who knows

[desert hatch]

the moon seems to be in the atmosphere considering u can float to it

u can’t float with balloons in a vacuum

[sand sail]

The moon's in our atmosphere too

But this is Oda's series, you can float up there because it's a fairy tale

[desert hatch]

the moon is not in our atmosphere…

[sand sail]

In fact, it is. It's just too thin to provide any kind of protection at all

[amber oar]

Atmosphere keeps thinning out until it's indistinguishable from outer space. But it doesn't reach as far as the moon. The exosphere is considered to end ad 10000 km. The moon is at 380000 km

now, that's our earth and our moon. Oda can do whatever with his earth and his moon(s), like he's doing with his dinosaurs

[sharp anvil]

It actually extends even further than the moon

It doesn't thin out completely like you're saying until ~600k km

[amber oar]

it merges with solar wind. Outer space isn't empty either, the sun constantly pushes ionized particles

The end of the atmosphere is when it's all solar wind

[sand sail]

Yeh, our atmosphere extends much farther than that It's just not usable in any real way, it's just there

[modest skiff]

Regardless of what earth’s atmosphere is like, one piece does not take place on earth so it’s not relevant tbh

[sand sail]

Yeh, of course Oda's going to keep being able to float up there with a balloon

He already made an entire island made of balloons that gathered together

[sinful helm]

Some moons have an atmosphere

So it's possible for them too be habitable in one piece world

[amber oar]

The only moon with a significant atmospheres is Titan, which is heavily dense and almost entirely made of nitrogen. Then there's Io which has a patchy atmosphere generated by volcanic activity. There's another moon, Europa, that barely has any atmosphere, but its surface is completely covered in ice and there may or may not be a liquid water ocean beneath.

[sharp anvil]

There's also Birka

[proud tree]

Is the sky island Weatheria able to cross over the red line/ over Meri Joa?

[amber oar]

Wasn't in the new world when Nami was sent there?

Oh, it was never specified

[proud tree]

For all other timeskip locations for Sanji, Usopp and Franky the grand line area was specified but not for Weatheria /CHAPTER 523

[muted ember]

Why we bringing up real world moons? Lol

[amber oar]

idea concepts for fictional moons

[muted valley]

Inel was breathing on the OP moon, I don't think it's going to be close to a regular moon.

Also he flew up there with a wooden ship with padles

[muted ember]

Enel is from the moon races him breathing doesn't mean regular humans can

It's the home of his ancestors it wouldn't make sense if he couldn't breathe

[stuck sundial]

Omg

Look at this theory I found about Joyboy and the ancient kingdom

[twilit dagger]

Any theories on why the gov had luffy's fruit before shanks got it

[lofty belfry]

anyone think that nami is gonna have a weather based DF or nah

[north cobalt]

nah

I dont think she needs one

[twilit dagger]

no fruit, also for shiryu i didnt think he needed a fruit but it is what it is. I dont want anyone else who dont have a fruit right now get a fruit. no

Also, any theories on im-sama? been 10 years right

[loud beacon]

It’s fair to assume that they just have some next level breathing capabilities. Or that the moons have similar atmospheres to the one piece worlds. Regardless we won’t know till oda hopefully goes into moon lore (fingers crossed enel comes back w armament)

[pure raven]

@pure raven

I follow him on tiktok

And utube follow theonestrawhat @pure raven

i see

[fallow bobcat]

Could KIng be related to the species on the moon since he's called a Lunarian?

[muted ember]

What would y'all think about Hiyori getting the time fruit?

[junior cape]

Kinda not based

[analog sun]

3.5 years
Main theory is a very long lived entity, possibly thanks to the Op-Op no mi's immortality operation

[modest skiff]

I think the one special purple seaking, mihawk and Imu all had the op surgery and that's why their eyes are weird. I'm assuming imu is from the void century

[muted valley]

If she didn't it's somewhere else in the world, which could be a bad thing if we knew what it really can do.

[muted valley]

Prolly has a silly reason, like was going to be given to the celestial dragons for a slave they can abuse

[tepid nymph]

if the theories about Roger & Joyboy having Gum Gum powers & DFs passing on the wills of previous users are true, it probably would’ve been to stop the ancient kingdom from returning

[sacred surge]

Another one: The devil fruit Pudding used to erase Sanji's memory was the same devil fruit they used to erased people's memory about the Void's century (missing past)

[sand sail]

@pure raven This isn't the channel for jokes

[dark path]

Crazy how people were making theories for so long

[lethal cypress]

If the ope ope no mi has a special ability that kills the user

The memory fruit should have one aswell

Maybe erase one person from all world fodders memory in exchange for losing your own memory

Or death

[modest skiff]

I don't think it is necessary for the memory fruit to have a global ability. All that would be needed would be to wipe the memory of certain people, depending on the situation

[lethal cypress]

Huh

Bro rocks was a worldwide figure certain people is the entire one piece world

So yes you need an ability of world scale

[modest skiff]

what does rocks have to do with global amnesia?

[lethal cypress]

Rocks was literally erased from history

Damn your slow

[modest skiff]

Not in an Amnesia way. Plenty of people remember who he is

[lethal cypress]

Not plenty of people, we only know top tiers that remember him

Or people who aren't fodder

[modest skiff]

the point is, there is no evidence of some global scale amnesia similar to a void century sort of thing regarding rocks. The two dynamics you are comparing are not the same

[lethal cypress]

Yes there is because globally rocks name is unknown to fodder

[modest skiff]

So you're saying a global amnesia ability, but it only impacts fodder?

[lethal cypress]

Yes that's what most dfs affect

The point is by impacting fodder. After a generation or 2 no one will know the guy

Because non fodder will die eventually aswell

[modest skiff]

Another explanation is that only certain people needed to have memory wiped and information could just be suppressed like it currently is. We already have examples of the WG suppressing information

[lethal cypress]

No the point of erasing rocks

Is so people aka fodder don't start to emulate him or try do the same things he did. Or look deep into the things he looked into

[modest skiff]

I really don't think Rocks was erased from history using a devil fruit. There is no indication of that. And we already know that certain pirates were kept in Impel Down in secret so that people would never know about what they have done. That means we already have precedent for suppressing the existence of particularly dangerous people through other means.

[lethal cypress]

How else do you erase someone in the one piece world with that level of impact

[modest skiff]

We've already been directly told that in the Impel Down arc

[lethal cypress]

Yeah that's bullshit

[modest skiff]

And Buster Call Ohara

We have seen what the WG does in hopes of suppressing information so we don't have any incentive to place some alternative explanation in its place

[lethal cypress]

Those are just some mid tier criminals

I'm talking bout the captain of the strongest pirate crew who was the first guy to go after imu after the void

[weary rose]

I mean… Roger kinda took the headlines anyways so isn’t shocking rocks was just forgotten

[lethal cypress]

Roger did not take the headlines of god valley

The paper said garp took out the whole crew

[modest skiff]

Erasing Rocks and not Roger is also a particularly strange inconsistency, considering Roger was the one to reach Raftel

[weary rose]

You misunderstood sir

I’m not speaking about GV directly, Roger simply took the headlines in general; therefore the hype of Roger was more interesting than the capture of rocks. Also info was prob blacklisted for publishing about rocks.

Not to mention most the normal ppl who will remember rocks be old, all the young guns would’ve idolized Roger

[modest skiff]

Roger was the one to inspire an entire generation of pirates from his adventures and proclamations. If there was a mechanism to erase his history, they would have a lot more incentive to do that when compared to Rocks. So the theory that Rocks was erased from history through some mechanism but not Roger is inconsistent

[weary rose]

It’s really no different to today’s news system

Things are left out to benefit the government

Other headlines take interest and ppl are more interested

[lethal cypress]

You realise if not for roger minding his own business

Rocks would be the one at the head of the wg

[modest skiff]

We don't know that at all

[lethal cypress]

Huh

[weary rose]

Okay? But this isn’t “What If: One Piece” its just one piece

[lethal cypress]

Yeah and last time I checked
Roger needed a marine to beat rocks

He also learned about the history after rocks
He also never even pursued anything until his fight with rocks

Rocks made roger

[weary rose]

?

Your point?

[modest skiff]

None of that implies Rocks was on his way to overthrowing the world government. You are placing an enormous amount of headcanon in this

[lethal cypress]

Wait what.
We're just having a discussion bro settle your fucking tone

[modest skiff]

His goal was clearly to take out the CDs, but we have no reason to think he would have accomplished his goal purely by winning that single fight at god valley. we don't even really know what happened at god valley or what the stakes were other than some CDs and slaves

[weary rose]

My tone lmao?

[modest skiff]

pleb you were the first one to use rude tone in this conversation, which we have politely ignored, so perhaps don't get offended

[lethal cypress]

Rude in what way. Don't start making up shit now

And the whole point of god valley was to tell us that without garp and roger putting aside their direct positions. Rocks would have achieved his goal

[modest skiff]

We know that it is likely Rocks would have succeeded at God Valley, whatever his goal was. We don't know that God Valley going Rocks way would have guaranteed world domination. And can you clarify how this assumption supports the idea that Pudding's fruit was used to cause the world to forget rocks?

[lethal cypress]

Yes it likely was. Because how else do you erase someone

In one piece world with that level of influence

[weary rose]

Have you heard of the Holocaustic concentration camps in Asia?

[lethal cypress]

Bro you didn't let me finish my fucking explanation

If you weren't speeding to type you wouldn't look like a fool now

[modest skiff]

Pleb, we have already elaborated on other times and mechanisms in history where history has been erased

[lethal cypress]

Huh

[modest skiff]

pleb please cool it with the insults

[lethal cypress]

Bro you haven't explained shit about how anything was erased

You haven't even given me a decent alternative

[weary rose]

My point is that news is easily altered; whether you have a lot of influence isn’t important. It’s whether it’s recorded or whether it’s not. In the case of Rocks it wasn’t publicly recorded therefore he fell off. That’s simply how “erasing” someone or something works.

[lethal cypress]

Everything rocks did was publicly recorded

[modest skiff]

Impel Down was used to erase the history of certain people

Buster Call was used to erase the history of Ohara

Clover was killed to erase the knowledge he had

CP9 tried to erase the existence of Pluton

[lethal cypress]

How do you erase someone from history while they are active

Think bro
You just said that they changed the news about him. But garps feat is world wide knowledge.

[lethal cypress]

So basically your saying they erased rocks while he was active

[modest skiff]

Pleb that panel is very clear and conclusive. It feels like you are holding on to this theory a little too tightly

[weary rose]

The news made Roger seem like a bigger deal post GV than Rocks was therefore people lost interest in Rocks.

[lethal cypress]

What theory when did I make a theory here

[modest skiff]

I have had plenty of theories that people have debunked here. It isn't a bad thing. This channel is intended for sharing and critiquing theories

[lethal cypress]

Tell me this theory that I seem to have made bro im all ears

[modest skiff]

Whatever you want to call it, you seemed to suggest Pudding's fruit was used to erase Rocks

[lethal cypress]

And you debunked this how

[modest skiff]

Pleb, this isn't worth continuing. You are either being intentionally confrontational or just not listening to us

Let's change the subject

[lethal cypress]

Fair go on change it

[modest skiff]

I think Rocks was a Lunarian and it is a reason Kaido was sympathetic to King. Rocks knew a great deal about the void century and the world's secrets because of his heritage

[lethal cypress]

Damn I think the same thing

Well the first part

[muted valley]

That's not to carry tbh, never thought about it,. But I think it just got lost over time, as if shit wasn't recorded it'd be easy to forget it happened.

Crazy*

[muted valley]

I don't buy the lunarian part, rather was a human trying to recruit a strong race to help destroy the celestial gov else hell destroy em.

But I believe he did know alot of secrets, similar to how Kaido knows joyboy, and BB seems to be more knowledgeable than he let's on.

[lethal cypress]

So you think he had fire based abilities

[weary rose]

I think the reason Rocks was forgotten throughout history was simply to symbolize how in the real world similar tragedies are forgotten due to a lack of publication and government involvement.

[modest skiff]

That's fair. Regardless of how or why, it sounds like we agree Rocks knew a great deal and it helped him recruit very powerful pirates. I struggle to think of a mechanism other than being from a race that kept the history intact

[desert hatch]

as soon as we find out about lunarians everyone goes nuts. sanjis one, imus one and apparently rocks too😂😂

[muted valley]

Time and things being forgotten as it goes on. Hina knew about it. It isn't erased. More like covered up and never really reported on. So only those who knew of it can spread it through word of mouth. And people don't just stand at the the rooftops preaching things.

[desert hatch]

people making connections between two unknowns just cuz they’re unknowns

[muted ember]

The poneglyphs?

[weary rose]

If you’ve ever seen the Men In Black movies that’s perfect symbolization of this.

[modest skiff]

Another thing to consider is that despite being entirely separate from the WG, Wano also made an intentional effort to suppress history and knowledge of how to read glyphs. So Rocks was likely not from Wano, so it adds to the question of how he came to know what he knows. If he was from Ohara, we'd expect Ohara to be leveled a long time ago, not just from Clover

[lethal cypress]

Something being erased doesn't necessarily mean no one knows about it

People can literally know something was erased therefore knowing that thing

Just like the void

[muted valley]

Money and power, with a plan that sounds like it will work.

It's similar to BB, people followed him and he recruits or will kill them. Like woth Moria.

It's more evil and charismatic and sounding good. People will follow something if they see them getting something out of itm

[modest skiff]

Well one of my millions of BB theories is that both him and Rocks were from one of the poles and that is how they retained all of the information from the void century, by being unreachable by most militaries

[lethal cypress]

I think rocks is from goa Kingdom

[desert hatch]

*ideas, theories have evidence

[lethal cypress]

I have evidence for him being from goa

[modest skiff]

Let me dig up my evidence, one moment please

[muted ember]

Yea none of these are really theories

[lethal cypress]

Bro I literally have a vid on it don't try that shit

[muted ember]

Just random thoughts being said out loud

[muted valley]

So far only clover and ohara showed they knew it was covered up. People don't know it was erased. Just that something happened, but don't know what happened. Aka erased.

[lethal cypress]

Bro have you ever been able to conjure a theory from that petty mind of yours

Nigga said random thoughts being said aloud

[muted valley]

He has

[lethal cypress]

Lmao

[muted ember]

I have a theory you're Rjking and u will be banned soon lol

[weary rose]

Pleb my guy, calm down; there’s no need to be so hostile.

[lethal cypress]

Thats got no evidence

[muted valley]

We had a big discussion about it yesterday, but he's not really wrong. About theories and ideas being different. Evidence usually backs of theories even if it's small .

[lethal cypress]

Let alone accurate lmao

[modest skiff]

Here is my BB theory elaborated:

By my estimation, there are probably varying levels of "got their salad tossed" during the void century. I think some races were essentially able to escape, some more than others. The Minks, for example, have basically retained their own island and whatnot, but they can't read their own glyph, so something clearly happened. I imagine at some point, the Minks could read glyphs. Then there is Wano. Wano seems to have retained more of its history and culture and whatnot than the Minks. But only kind of. It honestly feels to me like Wano made an agreement where if they burn all evidence of void century, they have a truce. But then they hid stuff? Why not just teach all citizens how to read the glyphs? Why keep this language secret? There's no clear motivation for the glyph language to be secret in Wano if they are isolated. So I think they were more like a negotiated draw. Wano agreed to keep the glyphs secret for a cease fire.

Then there is Elbaf, which we know was labeled the most powerful nation at one point. So they probably have tomes and tomes of history related to the void century and well beyond that. I think Elbaf will essentially be the point of full knowledge, but they have some form of truce it seems. Still kind of unclear how Elbaf fits into the world diplomatically. Wano and Elbaf aren't hidden from the world, but details are scarce.

How this relates to BB: I think it is possible he is a 3 eyed tribe person and person 3 eyed tribes live at the poles. But I don't know if Puddling sleeps. If she sleeps, BB is not a 3 eyed person IMO. What we know of the glyphs so far is that there are huge attempts to hide them all over the place. Certain glyphs say different things. Based on everything we know about the ancient folks, I think they could totally make their way to the poles, despite the ice. But I think the people who live at the poles are even more isolated than Elbaf.

I don't think they are as powerful as Elbaf, but I think it is essentially impossible to reach them due to living through miles and miles of ice. I think because of their ability to read glyphs (special power like 3 eyed? they have a book? They speak that language to begin with? I have no idea), the WG basically wants the poles to be the same as Ohara, no one knows it existed, the whole thing is just a giant secret. And since they live at the poles, the WG has no feasible way of eliminating them without extreme losses. But I think the people who live at the poles enjoy the fact that they are isolated. They want complete isolation and see no reason to engage with the world. I don't have any idea what the pole people did during the void century. I am basically totally comfortable leaving tons of question marks here. But the part that I do feel good about: BB is from a pole, pole people are a huge danger to the WG, no one knew BB was from a pole until Shanks told Gorosei.

Here's an extension of my BB theory: Since on Earth, some places like Alaska can have nights that last an incredibly long time, I think it is possible that one or more of the poles simply doesn't have day time. Or it is like 1 day a year. And I think it is possible BB wants to make the whole world as dark as the poles.

Yami awakening --> eat the sun or somehow remove light from the planet --> the entire world is now the dominion of the pole people once everything freezes. I think the pole people can essentially live on a frozen planet. If the whole planet froze, GG.

[desert hatch]

just wondering, is it confirmed three eyed can read them? i think it said they get voice of all things but roger couldn’t read them, just find them

[lethal cypress]

Goa Kingdom is based of brazil
Several of the areas in goa are Portuguese colonised lands or towns in real life

Luffy the mc was said to be from brazil by the creator of the manga

[modest skiff]

BM thinks Pudding can read glyphs when her eye awakens, for whatever that is worth

[lethal cypress]

And apparently there's no evidence

Rocks is based Roche braziliano who was said to be active in bahia brazil and raised there

[weary rose]

[lethal cypress]

What is it now nigga

What is so confusing I'm dying to know

[modest skiff]

BB being 3 eyed tribe makes a lot more sense than the 3 souls, 3 bodies, 3 whatever theories I have read

And of course no BB theory is worse than the kraken one

[desert hatch]

ye but they’re no evidence of that, not saying it’s not true, but it’s just a prediction

[muted valley]

I mean, yeah. I never thought of it. He could be used to read the glyphs. Also his forehead is always covered.

But him being a orphan not from the arctic is wierd.

[modest skiff]

I'm not going to pretend I am 100% confident. Perhaps my work doesn't meet the strict definition of a theory, but it is still a fun exercise

[acoustic helm]

Yamato had coc coating but she couldn't break her shackles

[muted ember]

U wrote all that and provided no evidence just extra speculation on top of speculation lol

[muted valley]

I see a multiple personality/soul for BB more since he has changed demeanors alot.

[desert hatch]

other than that i like the idea of him coming from a secluded area that knows a lot about history

[lethal cypress]

Theres also good evidence to suggest rocks was a musician and a rockstar like Brook.

Kaidou and Katakuri the 2 most prominent apprentices on the crew at the time both wear the same rockstar outfits

Kat even has a jolly roger on the back of hia

[weary rose]

Katakuri was never mentioned to be part of Rocks iirc

[modest skiff]

Doesn't sleep? Ice place? bandana over his forehead? Shanks knows a lot about him and also traveled to the poles? It isn't rock solid but I do think there is some level of evidence presented

[weary rose]

He would be far too young

[lethal cypress]

He was with big mom therefore he was on rocks

And oda said the triplets were born on a ship

And he would have been 10 while shanks and buggy were 7 considered apprentices on rogers crew

Bro aurek your counter arguments are all so dumb

He was too young. Why don't you tell oda shanks was too young

[modest skiff]

pleb, again, cool it with the insults. no one is insulting you. you are the only one being rude here

[desert hatch]

i doubt he was on the crew

[lethal cypress]

So me backing up my evidence is insulting

[desert hatch]

too dangerous, that crew was notorious for killing each other

[muted ember]

U connected him not sleeping to Pudding which has no basis. And idk about Shanks traveling to the poles

What chapter did he say that?

[lethal cypress]

Too dangerous

I just said shanks and buggy were on the crew and were there when the fought wb

[desert hatch]

it’s kinda implied he went there but we don’t know

not even implied, just hinted

[lethal cypress]

And not only were they younger than kat

They also weren't training the way kat was after brulee got hurt

[modest skiff]

It seems I pasted the wrong theory, so forgive me LOL. I have a huge google docs where I keep a bunch of stuff. I'll try to find it tomorrow.

During Buggy and Shanks traveling with Roger, they argued over whether the north or south pole are colder, which shows they have traveled to both of them with Roger

[muted valley]

No, they never did... they were told too later when they have their own crew

[weary rose]

No sir, your attitude is whats rude. Rocks crew was literally know to kill each other for fun, I highly doubt a child would’ve survived on said ship. However, I’m not saying you’re wrong and it’s an interesting topic when in relation to his scars.

[desert hatch]

didn’t they say that they would have to find out once they got they’re own crews?

[modest skiff]

Who are you responding to? They 100% argued over which one was colder

[desert hatch]

why am i rude?

[muted valley]

Your last post

[muted ember]

U know the chapter?

[modest skiff]

not a clue

[desert hatch]

lol

[muted valley]

It's sometime in the later 960s I think

[lethal cypress]

Aurek said kat was too young to be on the crew
Despite being 10 years old

3 years older than shanks and buggy

[muted valley]

During Oden Flashback

[modest skiff]

I have no idea how people remember which chapter stuff is from. I commend you

[lethal cypress]

Maybe your memory is trash

[desert hatch]

hey i was right

[muted valley]

That's the old one from easy blue, but it's the same argument and answer

[modest skiff]

Thanks for finding this, you are right that this implies neither of them were present at either place

[muted ember]

Ok so no evidence either one of them have actually been there

[modest skiff]

Yeah, consider that theory debunked

[weary rose]

The fresher argument is chap 966 I believe

Although it’s in less detail

[muted valley]

I'm more amazed I was that close lmao

[pure raven]

about the newest chapter, does it mean mihawk also has conquerors haki?

[lethal cypress]

You weren't amazed you knew that chapter like the back of you hand

[muted valley]

Also I remember chapters by what was going on that week for me and how long ago it was

[lethal cypress]

Yeah no one asked

[weary rose]

Pleb, cool it.

[lethal cypress]

😫

[muted valley]

I just roughed it, I figured 20 chapters most give or take

[desert hatch]

he has the strongest black blade so maybe? idk if coc helps with that process but he fought shanks a lot too so i’d say kinda likely

[pure raven]

huh nice

[weary rose]

This is also the main panel for the whole 3 souls swap theory BB has.

Full strip

[muted valley]

The 3 soul theory was around long before that chapter, it was when his flag was revealed

[weary rose]

Yeah I know, but this became the main arguing factor.

[modest skiff]

I don't think the sleeping thing implies 3 souls. What am I missing?

[sinful helm]

that dude pleb still defending Rocks? and praising him too heaven?

[muted valley]

He swaps souls and can't sleep.

[sinful helm]

his ability too eat devil fruits made some people think he can eat 3 df's and thats how he has 3 souls

[modest skiff]

i suppose I am not seeing how sleep relates to a soul

[muted valley]

One piece logic, it doesn't go by normal logic

[desert hatch]

that can’t be a reason😂😂

[weary rose]

His ability to have more Devil fruits = the theory he has 3 souls bc of some story I forget the name of = never sleeping bc he swaps his souls.

[lethal cypress]

Rocks is inside bb likely

[modest skiff]

The message was funnier when it was pizza jrod

[sinful helm]

i mean its possible he is possesed or reincarnated Rocks

[desert hatch]

i was thinking of leaving lol, it was a misclick🍕🍕