manga-theories

[junior cape]

Dude we have fruits that turn guns into dogs, anything goes in this series.

So I'd say its it's possible.

[modest skiff]

It’s possible but if we were to list every single conceivable, technically possible theory, we’d have no rest

[junior cape]

Lmao yeah

[split glacier]

Doubt it. The power of Haki isn't universal in terms of strength. It's a natural ability available to everyone. Don't think you can just copy someone's level of Haki

[bitter kraken]

Not level of haki but just haki itself, Vegapunk did make an artificial fruit and those are supposed to be one of a kind. My thought is that if judge can do that with haki he would make stronger clones

[sand sail]

That's absolutely not how this series should be viewed

[grizzled fog]

That’s also extremely convoluted just to get …. Haki dna? They could find haki users much easier and more compliant than Sanji, who hates judge’s guts and wasn’t even guaranteed to wear the suit in the first place

[sand sail]

It's honestly strange that the suit exists at all in the first place, when you think about it. Unless Judge had all these crafted before his kids were born, Sanji should never have had one in the first place. But I don't think fake haki is something that can be created in that way, especially not if it requires a living thing and (presumably) conscious mind to harness.

[grizzled fog]

I imagine he created them before or when they were kids in preparation

I also had the idea that they’ve actually been passed down in the vinsmoke family over time and upgraded as technology improved, but that makes a lot less sense

[muted ember]

I think he made one for Sanji in the hopes he would rejoin the family

[grizzled fog]

He doesn’t even want Sanji to rejoin though

[muted ember]

Technically he was forcing him to rejoin for the purpose of forming an alliance. He gave Sanji access to the other advantages of being Vinsmoke, maybe the raid suit is just part of the package

[junior cape]

Judge doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to create something for Sanji out of the kindness of his own heart. I bet lore-wise that he made the Raid Suits back when Sora was pregnant, because he was already planning on the kids becoming soldiers when they grew up. The only reason he kept it around after Sanji's failure to manifest and his escape would likely be because he's a paranoid mfer who doesn't want any tech he creates to escape into the world at large without his control.

[woven moth]

I'm curious to see if Judge's code-name, Garuda, has anything to do with the Lunarian tribe

[pure raven]

I might be late for this but do y'all think the new OP red girl has the VOAT

It says during the start of the trailer “will her voice bring forth eternal happiness or endless imprisonment"

It could either be her DF or probably VOAT

[junior temple]

Prob not VOAT, seems like a pretty rare thing to give to a character in a movie

[pure raven]

I mean we have had more important reveals in the movies

[muted ember]

VOAT is more about hearing things that others can't than the user's actual voice

[pure raven]

It can communicate too if I am not wrong not just hearing

For example zunesha and momo

[low swallow]

And Luffy too telling Momo to get his ass down there and save him

[muted ember]

The Luffy one is questionable bc Law's crew heard it and none of them have VOAT

[pure raven]

This one still stands

[muted ember]

The Zunesha one could be the theory that Momo is an ancient weapon bc they both could hear but only Momo could give it commands

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qkmfua/what_it_actually_means_for_wanos_borders_to_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

One of the best theory I have ever read

[waxen dust]

Yup I 100% agree with this theory, It’s been out for a few weeks and nothing at this point can oppose the arguments made here. I also had similar thoughts but not to the extent explained on that thread.

[civic token]

is like when someone put haki on a sword, just giving it to a non living thing

[lunar wren]

Im guessing that zoro has just been throwing around the raw haki from enma up to this point then actually using it properly

[grizzled fog]

I think it’s more so that he was resisting enma, only letting it take some of his haki, and now he’s just let go and let it take everything it wants

[fresh brook]

Hmm is it possible that denjiro is a shimotsuki? 🤔 they all have ponytails and distinctive similar features 🤔 at first I was like, yeah coincidence that they have similar facial features and ponytails but the old man is the final nail on the head of my suspiscions. (Well there's tenguyama who doesn't tie his hair, at least he wears it long)

[dry kindle]

So who said Zoro didn't had coh

• King is lunarian confirmed....
  Only one surviver...
  Fck it 10/10 chapter

[neat inlet]

Wait wait wait i have a question
Did Shimotsuki hint the WG were still looking out for him?
Since Kuina is his granddaughter, could it be she was kidnapped by WG/celestial dragons, and to ensure the safety of the rest of the town they had to fake her funeral?

The lost of memory could be explained by some devil fruit, we know that ability exists in the OP universe

[grizzled fog]

That’s not how the government goes about things. If they wanted someone they’d burn the town to the ground and take what they want, not fake an entire funeral complete with a body and everything lol

[neat inlet]

Unless the town handed the kid to the WG?

[low swallow]

This chapter was a win for my theory. Confirmed damn near half of the theory, just gotta wait on the how black blades are made stuff

[grizzled fog]

And why would they only kidnap the child? When there’s at least two other shimotsuki there? And why kidnap in the first place? Why not kill?

[dry kindle]

I think as shimotsuki ran away from wano illegally
WG may got that info and trying to catch him so that he wg could learn about wano as it was closed country

[neat inlet]

👆 that's why

Idk tbh, there are missing pieces

But why would he mention he still fears the WG otherwise

[dry kindle]

Fax
Let's wait for new chapter

[grizzled fog]

So you think they kidnapped the literal child, to ask about the country that the samurai left several decades ago?

[dry kindle]

Waittt .....

[grizzled fog]

He didn’t say he fears them, and he mentioned that because zoro was blabbing about him being a samurai.

[neat inlet]

Or kidnapped a samurai descendant, who trained with Shimotsuki and has proven to show high skill with swords, but idk

[grizzled fog]

Yea that doesn’t make any sense

[neat inlet]

He didn't fear them but he knew they were on track to find him if they were aware of his whereabouts

[dry kindle]

Wg was trying to catch that gezzer as they needed info about wano
It was closed country ...
So kinda makes sense he would be great source of info about blade forging,sea Stone prism, about ponogylp etc

[neat inlet]

Idk then, something is still missing obviously

[dry kindle]

Yeah I think same until next chapters
I will stick around with this theory about wg wanting info from shimotsuki

[grizzled fog]

Doesn’t really make sense to then kidnap literally the only shimotsuki there that wouldn’t actually know anything though lol

[neat inlet]

My only problem with that is the fact Kuina was still alive and well when he was dead already, why would WG come for him then

[prime bluff]

Which sword was the finest work of shimotsuke

[lofty zenith]

I have a theory, what if Devil fruits were created just to fight King's race? We see Queen saying "How can such a race even go almost extinct?" and that they were considered as Gods. The name "Devil" fruit would suit perfectly as a weapon against these Gods.

[crisp swallow]

But celestial dragons are also called gods too tho

[dry kindle]

Wait...this kind makes sense
As they wiped king's race
The wg government took over their place considerd themselves as being GOD

[abstract pond]

What if Lunarians ARE the devil fruits

[austere silo]

Guys if
luffys father is a revolutionary
Sanjis father is a scientist
Usspos father is a pirate
What if zoros father is a marine and shimotsuki ushimaru is green bull

[abstract pond]

Ushimaru had green bulls on his coat. Is the candidate that makes most sense to be the admiral

[split hornet]

Zoro bout to be the Demon King

Asura - demon. Enma lord of the Underworld.

[tacit veldt]

1033 gives a lot of credibility to the various theories pointing at Wano as the Ancient Kingdom, or a main part of it. We now know that rogue samurais outside of Wano are actively hunted down by the WG, so it surely Is the threat to Wano Oden talked about during the boiling. Gozaburo has been hiding his identity since before Oden reached Laugh Tale, so the WG knows that Wano samurais have been carrying secrets relating to the Ancient Kingdom since a long long time ago

Also Ushimaru Is somehow both Fuga and Greenbull, obviously

[surreal condor]

guys, is it just me or you can see zoro's left eye opened in the very last colored page?

[grizzled fog]

here? its definitely closed

[abstract pond]

I was thinking while reading the chapter that Oda kinda highlighted Zoro's left eye a bit more than normal

[mortal field]

The one diring Zoro’s. Flashback

[pearl wagon]

Why there will be an 11th straw hat: So i'm not here to debate WHO will be the next straw hat but more so why there will be. See how the 10th titanic captain is not yet revealed? Well, that could just be because the 11th straw hat isn't revealed. In the final fight vs bb there's definitely gonna be one one on one match ups, since the number of main crewmates in each crew is, as it stands, equal. There will definitely be an 11th straw hat who will take the 10th (or any) titanic captain down.

[tacit veldt]

He even keeps It closed when he has a take of surprise. I think he just really lost it

[night jewel]

yeah its a mistake from the person who colored it, its not official, just a fan coloring

its fully closed

[snow grove]

i think king's weak point is his fire if zoro will manage to cut the fire he'll defeat him

[pearl wagon]

Very possible.

[abstract pond]

That panel is suspicious as fuck. It's odd.

[snow grove]

if zoro is a coc user mihawk should have it to

[muted valley]

Well, CoC is to have the disposition of a King

King is a ruler, ussually in some aspect or another

Boa Hancock is one, so I wouldnt doubt Mihawk to have CoC

Especially after this chapter. However I figured to be the #1 swordsman it took the ability to conquer and stand above everyone else.

[mortal field]

I would believe that but people like Ace, who by all means dont care bout becoming king exist

Probably anomalies tbh for people like him

[muted ember]

U don't have to want to be a king to have the qualities of a king it can just be your natural personality

[abstract pond]

It's called Conquerors haki not King haki for something

[patent summit]

What if he uses shi shishisonson + fire cutting technique

I can see that happening

[muted valley]

It isnt the main Kingdom but it was stated by Oden that the Void Century is the reason Wano secluded itself and became a isolationist country. Wano has ties with the Minks as well and they have the Road polnyglyph. So those 2 cultures are deeply tied to the ancient kingdom.

The WG probably would want those who left Wano for both information on what they did know and what was the innerworkings of Wano at that time.

As we saw Orochi's "long lost relatives" It could be reason to believe they were apart of the WG trying to weaken Wano due to its place in history and notoriety for Samurai being "strong"

[muted valley]

Well, one dude in here was adamant about Marines not having it because they served under the WG and such. But I agree.

[muted ember]

Sengoku has it

[mortal field]

insert my Akainu has to have coc dream here

[muted valley]

he fucking will

no way he doesnt with his hatred of pirates and will to carry out atrocities to keep the peace(Like with him destroying the ship on Ohara)

[mortal field]

I literally cant see a way where he doesnt have the qualities to fit it. Its saying something when marines begging for him to be fleet admiral and dedication to square up against WB

[muted valley]

Yeah, I can see Aokiji MAYBE having it, but if he does or doesnt either wont surprise me.

Also Garp has to have it too, I would be shocked if he didnt. Since it seems he could square off with Roger and such. Also he isnt your typical Marine and refused to be a dog to the Celestial Dragons

[snow grove]

He needs a direct one shot to the back

[patent summit]

Why does he need to one shot him ?

[muted valley]

He needs to remove his mask first

[patent summit]

That will probably happen

[tacit veldt]

This makes sense, but i wonder why the WG hunts people from Wano in particular, and not other populations affiliated with the ancient kingdom. All minks we know are pirates, and minks are pretty damn strong, but they dont seem to be wanted on sight as Samurais seem to be. Is it because the WG knows the Kozuki clan can read poneglyphs while other ancient populaitons can't?

[muted ember]

It said they were Pirates in the chapter I think

[abstract pond]

So, I just discovered today (someone mentioned it on the manga channel) that Big News Morgans is a human with a df and not just some kind of bird person. And got me wondering who could he really be. And looking by age, he was in his 20s when Roger Pirates were with Oden. And there is a Roger pirate called Seagull. I thought that as someone who learnt about Joy Boy he could be waiting for him and maybe "rooting" for him. Like naming Luffy Fifth Emperor of the sea. So I think that Morgans is this pirate https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/6/67/Seagull_Guns_Nozdon_Anime_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20210330164527&path-prefix=es

[neat inlet]

Wado Ichimonki -> Shimotsuki Kozaburo
Sandai Kitetsu -> Tenguyama Hitetsu?

[mortal field]

sigh Oda would make them some ugly mfs

[cyan berry]

@warm saffron keep other desires references out of this channel

[sinful helm]

Shusui looks like a proper british gentleman i mean i expected Wado too have kuina's spirit or something

[mortal field]

Wado was made by that one guy so it make sense

[muted valley]

Minks probably are less notable. They are just tied to it all but we're not directly involved. We saw that they had a duty to the Kozuki Clan. That they were willing to let themselves get annihilated over.

I'd assume the wg does hunt them to an extent. But they are less notable and harmless than wano for the wg. Also in the wild one piece world and all the crazy things, a talking animal looking humanoid is rare but isn't exclusive to minks.

[muted valley]

Yeah, I thought so too, also IMAGINE THE UNIBROW ON ENMA

[neat inlet]

was Enma made prior to Wado?

or is it the opposite?

[mortal field]

It was Wado then Enma i think

[neat inlet]

oh, then I guess Enma would've been a more mature version of Wado?

[mortal field]

Kuina been had Wado during Zoro’s flashback, but he regarded Enma as his Magnum Opus

[muted valley]

Not a bad theory, never thought about that. Time will tell but the news paper was still around at the time of Roger. So if your theory is true, Seagull either is related to the World news or has worked his way to the top.

That is the only issue I see with it. It'd also make sense since Roger did say he wasn't going to die. Also it's stated the WG changed Gol D. To Gold so the news has some WG ties that I'd imagine it'd be hard for a previous Roger pirate to infiltrate.

Also stated he was young with Enma

[neat inlet]

yeah he said he was young, but he seems pretty young already at Wado Ichimonji's picture

[muted valley]

The picture is supposed to be the sword if it was a person

[neat inlet]

I know, but the personified Wado Ichimonji is literally a young Shimotsuki Kozaburo

a personified Enma would've been I guess a mid-age Shimotsuki Kozaburo then, I guess
makes me wonder when did he had the time to forge the sword, since he illegally escaped Wano 50 years ago If I recall correctly

[abstract pond]

Morgans is the current leader of the news but doesn't mean he created it. It could be a newsletter centuries old.
And he always uses the df form so nobody knows his identity,
And WG ties could be simply business. CP wanted him to tell the WG version and he beated him up with ease which also meams he is pretty strong.

[muted valley]

Well yeah it's buisness, but I said that because Seagull had no pull during that time

[neat inlet]

my only problem with the theory about Morgans is the fact he was at WCI saga and did nothing to contribute in the situation. All the still living Roger Pirates helped the Strawhats, he's the odd one in this case

(not counting Blackbeard for obvious reasons)

[abstract pond]

Roger pirates haven't done much to contribute. Rayleigh trained Luffy and not much more.

[muted valley]

He did help them Chars, he hyped up what he did.

[neat inlet]

but he was pretty neutral about it. he cared more for his news scoop than for the pirates themselves

[lapis mulch]

I agree with Loopy, touting Luffy as 5th emperor highly boosted his notoriety

[light path]

This is nitpicky but Morgans i think is a Great Albatros if i remember correctly not a seagull

[zinc iris]

in that case it's genetic

[muted valley]

Also he was an invited guest and we saw what BM does to people who decline her/betray her. He would be a dead man.

[abstract pond]

I believe Roger's crew are just doing their own stuff and waiting for Joy Boy just to know how the "story ends"

[neat inlet]

hm, interesting point though, so they all know about the truth and just wait for it to happen?

[mortal field]

I doubt genetics play a role, its weird if he’s the only case of it

[muted valley]

Well I figured it was under the D clan. Since will of D and all. But outside of that prolly less likley

[zinc iris]

there seems to be a good chance to just inherit the CoC gene from your parent if they have it

[muted valley]

We only saw that with those who are Ds

[abstract pond]

They knew it would jappen in 20 years and after the crew disbanded they followed their own goals. You could say they "graduated" as pirates.

[mortal field]

I mean, personalities are inherited. Ace not accepting trash talking from Akainu in the same fashion of Roger

[zinc iris]

Katakuri tho

also Yamato

[mortal field]

Kata is willing to defend his family and even brand himself a monster if he needs too

[muted valley]

Yamato has coc?!

[neat inlet]

I don't think CoC is a genetic thing, I think King described it pretty accurately- it's about those with the "Kings Ambition"

[mortal field]

Yamato is literally Oden

[wide lagoon]

Nah she is oden without a coc

[muted valley]

Oh yes she does, forgot

Forgot she knocked everyone out crying

[sinful helm]

i mean perhaps kaido is a D too

[zinc iris]

99% Momonosuke will have it too just watch

[wide lagoon]

Or a oden who is impregnable

[sinful helm]

thats why he is waiting for joyboy on Wano

[abstract pond]

Kai D O

[neat inlet]

momo pretty much confirmed to be something at least

with Zou

[muted valley]

I mean, her claiming to be Oden doesn't make her Oden.

But kata and Yamato have huge ambitions. It's not like Puding, Pero, or Oven had it.

[abstract pond]

I hope Momo doesn't becomes a figther from one day to another. He has the swordman skills of a 8-10 (don't remember his age) years old

[neat inlet]

but he does has either CoC or he's one of the ancient weapons

[wide lagoon]

Yea exactly

[abstract pond]

Am ancient weapon? Wtf

[split glacier]

He just has the Voice of all things

[muted valley]

That prolly is a Kozuki/D thing. As we saw Roger and Oden have the same experience. It's also implied D is related to Wano.

It wouldn't surprise me if that one D theory with the moon is real since all the wano leaders names related to the Moon

[neat inlet]

Voice of all things seems implied to be connected to CoC or ancient weapons tho

[muted ember]

Momo should have conquerors it just hasn't manifested

But Yamato awakened hers at 8 so Momo could too

[abstract pond]

What is Coby then?

[muted valley]

Ace did at 10

[mortal field]

Weird note here but Usopp can probably have VOAT. Considering he heard the Merry speak to it

[split glacier]

A nerd

[neat inlet]

Coby does has some unique abilities though

[mortal field]

I thought it was Coby’s haki waking up

[split glacier]

no.

[neat inlet]

he sensed a torpedo under the water, nobody else sensed it

[split glacier]

Coby has the same thing the girl from Skypiea has. It's just a rare Obs Haki trait.

[mortal field]

Yea, Obvs splits into different categories

[muted ember]

Iceberg heard the Merry too

[mortal field]

oh

[neat inlet]

So I wouldn't put out of question the idea he might develop a CoC, not saying he has one now, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does has it at some point

[mortal field]

Momo or Usopp?

[rare rose]

Sanji will get coc too. His nickname is black leg, imagine he coats it with coc

[neat inlet]

about that, I was thinking some people might be able to hear specific things when they're very attached to them. we've seem some "telepathy communication" between characters that otherwise wouldn't be able to talk to each other (humans and animals for example)

[split glacier]

...

We just ass pulling now lol

[muted ember]

Sanji not a conqueror

[neat inlet]

i dont think sanji has CoC, but Sanji is shifting his body to be a Vinsmoke with no need for the body suit, and this in itself a huge upgrade

[split glacier]

At best he's a master baker...

[neat inlet]

like how casually he vanished in front of Queen in the recent chapters, despite having no suit. that's a permanent change.

[abstract pond]

And looks like he could even have Lunarian dna part. If Judge wanted to create the best warrior possible and Lunarian material, he 100% would use it

[neat inlet]

Is it weird I don't think it has anything to do with Lunarians?

because of the new chapter

[mortal field]

If thats the case the others would have something close too. Sanji just uses friction to make diable jambe

[split glacier]

Sanji's fire?

[neat inlet]

no no, i'll write it down

[abstract pond]

We don't really know much about Judge's work. Maybe Sanji was the only true success

[muted ember]

Sanji can explode just like King at this point its crazy not to think it's related

[austere silo]

Guys what if enma uses full potential haki of the user using it wouldnt that mean zoro would have a temporary haki cooldown or something like that

[abstract pond]

Sanji could even have dna of many races

[neat inlet]

King seems to be able to make his body explosive, he doesn't use his wings to fly while he's in human form (meaning he uses his devil fruit wings in order to fly), his body seems to be able to stretch and be fluid, none of the attacks work on him because he's not something necessarily made of flesh. I think he's covered in body suit because underneath there might be something non-human shape figure

[split glacier]

It's not like Gear 4th. Zoro will just be tired and not necessarily Haki depleted.

[neat inlet]

the fire on King is a gaslit, perhaps something about the shape of his body

[austere silo]

Maybe having dna of many races and being able to withstand a lot of things makes a lunarian

[muted ember]

His mask broke tho he has skin and hair

[neat inlet]

I'm not certain it's the same fire as Sanji's. King is always on fire, unlike Sanji

[split glacier]

Rubber? 👀

[neat inlet]

maybe?

[muted ember]

Bc Sanji doesn't fully understand his powers

[austere silo]

Yeah then luffy would also be lunarian as his red hawk?

[neat inlet]

idk lmao, it's something that creates fire on his body for sure

[abstract pond]

That's because Sanji is not a Lunarian. It's an experiment that could have a part of Lunarian. Among many other things

[mortal field]

So we just ignore that friction exist???

[split glacier]

That's probably DF related or if Oda and his "passion" crap is real lol

[neat inlet]

note also that King doesn't use the fire at all. fire is Sanji's signature, but on King it's just a nice fluffy fire that does nothing during combat..

[muted ember]

Luffy doesn't have to be Lunarian, Garp has a fire fist it could have come from him

[mortal field]

The fire is probably like Charizard’s fire. Its like their life

[muted ember]

King used a flame kick this chapter, and on Big Mom ship

[split glacier]

I guess he hasn't needed to use it yet. Maybe those powers are the last resort kinda like Gear 4th, Asura, etc.

[muted ember]

He used it y'all just blind lol

[neat inlet]

hence why I think Sanji isn't lunarian, it's something else, we're just being blinded by the reveal of the Lunarian tribe

[split glacier]

Oh yeah, just too Zoro focused lol

[abstract pond]

Nobody is sauing Sanji is a Lunarian

[austere silo]

Guys just think if king is living because of fire if your able to remove oxygen from the area like ceasers fruit does that would be able to harm king maybe or zoro will swing his sword and remove air from the area and defeat king just a thought 😬

[abstract pond]

Removing oxygen is effective against any opponent xd

[split glacier]

He's not a Lunarian outright, but defo has some DNA from them

[muted ember]

https://youtu.be/bVTgnNEs8g0

Flame kick

[neat inlet]

I do have an interesting point about King's combat style in this chapter- King turned back to his human form and stood in front of Zoro, waiting for him to attack. Did he had to turn back to his human form in order to become explosive somehow?

[split glacier]

Yeah King used Diable Jambe this fight against Zoro too. Sanji got a little bit of King's DNA in him 😳

[austere silo]

Yeah but maybe king cant move or anything if that happens like we can move even without oxygen like how luffy was able to move while fighting ceaser but king cant even move and becomes vulnerable or something

[muted ember]

Real quick can u acknowledge King did indeed use fire in combat?

[neat inlet]

can you remind me where? i'm looking for it

[abstract pond]

Could be that extinguishing the flames was how the wg managed to defeat them

[austere silo]

Yeah like with the previous user of the gas gas fruit

[muted ember]

I just posted one clip and the other example is literally this latest chapter

[neat inlet]

oh oops, watching

[abstract pond]

Gas, ice or maybe BB fruit

[split glacier]

King using Diable Jambe

[neat inlet]

it's still a pretty rare sight from King, unlike Sanji

[split glacier]

Put Charmander in the rain

[neat inlet]

but yeah, it's a good point, so I guess we shall wait and see

[split glacier]

Rare sight on character who has only started fighting vs Year 1 crewmate...😓

[muted ember]

Not really he used them as gatling guns in his Dino form and he used a flame punch to counter Marco

King been using his flames to fight consistently

I just used the kick specifically bc that's what Sanji does

[austere silo]

Idk why zoro didnt try the flame cutting techniques he learned

[split glacier]

In the little panel about "In the distant past they were considered Gods", i don't see any wings. Maybe King is 50% a sky race and 50% Lunarian?

[muted ember]

I don't think Zoro can cut King's flames yet

[austere silo]

Wings are because of his DF

[split glacier]

King isn't some noob that's just gonna let him cut his back like that

[split glacier]

He doesn't use those to fly with otherwise he wouldn't never to change into the other form

[austere silo]

Or did anyone see the panel where zoro asked is he a fishman or giant maybe lunarians are races which have the dna of every other races

[split glacier]

Doubt that fire working underwater. I think it's just a simple elimination process by going thru everything he knows. He doesn't even know Kaido is an Oni officially.

[austere silo]

Maybe if zoro attacks the part where he broke kings black suit maybe it will hurt him

[muted ember]

If King's flames are the same as Sanji's, they work underwater

[split glacier]

He'll be dead. DF user

[austere silo]

If he has fishmans dna he can survive like jack did

[muted ember]

I'm just speaking on the flames specifically

[austere silo]

But cant swim

[muted ember]

If King was submerged in freshwater his flames would still burn

[split glacier]

Seems a bit of a reach for Lunarians to be the all-in-one race. Breathe underwater, fly, create fire, crazy durability and a bunch of other stuff. For a race living high up, i doubt water is their best arena

[split glacier]

I forget it's not Pokemon sometimes lol

[untold drift]

Greetings everyone,
I heard alot of theories about King not bleeding or getting damaged because his fire cauterized every cut which could hint to a deeply scared and burned body which would fit Queen's statement about king being a "torture-loving fool" and King hiding his appearance. I had another idea i never found anywhere so i leave it here for theorizing.
What do you think about a living being that just has no blood, more exactly a golem-like being.
He could consist out of moonstone fitting the lunarian name or redline stone which is extremly durable and instead of blood runs fire or a burning/explosive gas through his veins.
Zoro stabbing him = explosion like ch 1033 showed us.

[austere silo]

But didnt we see him bleed like in the chapter were zoro cut him

[muted ember]

He has blood Zoro cut him when they were on the live floor

[untold drift]

do you know the chapter i cant remember it

[split glacier]

1022

[untold drift]

Thanks, is this scene in the anime yet? In black and white its less clearly visible as blood but probably doesn't look like something else i could imagine.

[austere silo]

Nop

[untold drift]

These colorizations are great but are fan-made is my point.

[austere silo]

But i dont think its anything else actually

[untold drift]

yep same hoped for something more fun than regular humanoid lifeforms haha

[austere silo]

Yeah

[untold drift]

I just remembered they where unscathed after this attack but they actually weren't.

[austere silo]

I think maybe its just kings suit that helps him maybe he is not that tough inside that suit

[muted ember]

I think it's his Haki plus the combination of being Lunarian + zoan, if u notice he switches forms a lot when he's flying around in zoan form he has enhanced regen

And I also don't think we seen his hybrid form either

[tacit veldt]

I agree with this, i also think Lunarians might be made of some kind of rock. They could be like little planets in humanoid form: an extremely hot core (hence the explosion) with a rock shell around it and fire coming out from them.

[nimble hinge]

We have. It's even in this chapter

[tacit veldt]

I'm waiting to see King fly in his human form, since It looks like he does, but he doesnt flap his wings, as Zoro remarked in the precious chapter. Maybe Lunarians just... float like hot air balloons

[split glacier]

The weird pull face back thing is the hybrid

[muted ember]

Nah that's not it he only transformed his arms

[split glacier]

And his head which are the only 2 visible spots. He's not naked like everyone else lol

[muted ember]

When Queen used his hybrid a random beast pirate said that's his hybrid form but they didn't do the same thing for King

[nimble hinge]

That's his hybrid.

[muted ember]

Look at Pell's hybrid King should look like that but a dinosaur

He should have his dinosaur wings and still have his arms

[nimble hinge]

No, not all hybrids look the same. They look how the user wants them to. That's why Black Maria looks the way she does

[split glacier]

They "shouldn't" look like anything. You got one that turns into a helicopter, one that turns into snake. It's all random lol

[muted ember]

He's also supposed to get way bigger

Black Maria used drugs to get that form

[nimble hinge]

It's his hybrid.

[split glacier]

Not always. The same way Lucci used Life return and was small. I don't think it's 1 rule fits all. I don't remember many Zoans going partially changed like King without it being Hybrid

[muted ember]

Yea but his regular hybrid was still way bigger that's why he had to use a special technique to slim down

It's a very noticeable difference too

[tacit veldt]

Kaido's crew has some weird hybrids, and since Black Maria took medicines like Chopper does to have that weird Hybrid form, and Jack likely does the same, why wouldnt King do It too?

[abstract pond]

And Chopper that has like 8 different forms

[muted ember]

Yea i would say what King has been doing is closest to chopper

Him transforming just his arm would be like horn point or something

[ancient vault]

Choppers whole body transforms in horn point

What king is doing is closest to marco

[muted ember]

Actually I'll give u that

[tacit veldt]

Also, since Kaido's crew Is all about Zoan fruits, it makes sense for them to develop drugs that help them use Zoans to their fullest. Black Maria surely did, not as well as Chopper, but still got some good results

[muted ember]

But then he might not have a true hybrid bc we never seen that from Marco

[proud tree]

at the beginning of the raid ...

the flap sounds are from kings wings

[minor dock]

IMU IS ROX WITH WATER WATER FRUIT GOT FROM GOD VALLEY FROM GRAVE OF UMMI AND HE GOT YOUTH SURGERY FROM THE USER OF OP OP FRUIT BEFORE LAW SO HES STILL ALIVE HE CAN STEAL POWER FROM DEVIL FRUIT USER TO.. AND I THINK

PULTON IS VIVI( also proved by ponyclips tht it is in Alabasta jus like )
PULUTON - VIVI
POSEIDON - SHIRAHOSHI(TOLD BY GOL D ROGER AND THE WOMEN WOH COULD PREDICT FUTURE I DONT REMEMBER HER NAME)

Also found in ponyclips

I don’t know About
URANUS -??? Maybe Nami Maybe not

Luffy Has the will of joyboy or reincarnation

Joyboy and Ummi Has 3 son known as the 3 ancient weapon
PULUTON
POSEIDON
AND URANUS

UMI IS THE DEVIL OF THE SEA THEY BOTH FOUGHT IN THE VOID CENTURY 800 years Ago JOYBOY WANT EVERY ONE EQUAL AND UMI WANTS THE STRONGER TO RULE OVER THE WORLD I HAVE MORE ON IT DO UU GUYS LIKE THIS MUCH OF MY THEORY
REACT IF U WANT MORE

[tacit veldt]

Oh, i didnt know that. Well so i (and Zoro too) was wrong

[proud tree]

Zorro was not there when it happened

[tacit veldt]

Boy those what if chapters from Ohara are a hell of a drug

[minor dock]

Truu

But Still this Seems way more logical

[pearl wagon]

I want to hear more, i don't see how the person who was the most savage pirate, is the top secret head of the WG. Also, there isn't any evidence if imu has the water water fruit, or has the op op fruit surgery on him. There isn't any evidence he can steal dfs either. Pluton is vivi is just not possible, pluton is a ship which can be built, no way vivi is pluton. Poseidon being shirahoshi is pretty accurate. There is no way nami is uranus, she was in a village that burnt down as a baby. Luffy being joy boy reincarnation is possible. If joyboy and imu are 3 ancient weapons' parents, why does imu have shirahoshis picture torn? Also, you said xebec is im (which he's not) how can he have a kid with joy BOY. Imu being the devil of the sea has no evidence either. I'd like to know more about your theory, if you have evidence for all these things.

[split slate]

The latest chapter makes me think Zoro will probably never upgrade from sandai kitetsu and that the sword is better than people gave it credit for

[pure raven]

Wado ichimonji + Enma > Luffy

[tepid temple]

Zoro is gonna get shusui back

[untold drift]

Ashura has 9 Arms, just give him permanent Ashura and all 3 Kitetsus + Wado + Shusui + Enma +Ame No Habakiri and 2 arms to wield Yoru.

Just kidding, maybe not kidding 😄

[proud tree]

why was that cursed blade in east blue?

[bitter kraken]

So the old geezer fled from wano before oden clashed with kaido?

[proud tree]

because of Kozaburo?

[amber oar]

he may have stopped in Loguetown before settling, maybe he sold it, maybe he lost it, maybe he got looted, a number of reasons

Kozaburo making a stop in Loguetown also strengthens the idea that Tashigi could be a different granddaughter

[sand chasm]

Shanks is a devilfruit user

[pearl wagon]

Doubt it. Why do you think so

[bitter kraken]

Suracchi is a battle cry, yet it’s in wano is sorta like a bad word? Could that be because kozaburo allied with orochis grandfather and tried to overthrow the kozuki? I’m gonna say kozaburo is part of a side branch of ryumas bloodline and in exchange for helping put the koruzumi? In the shogun position they would make kozaburo and his side branch the main branch of ringo. But he fled with his family when it all failed and surrachi was prolly his or their war cry or means kin killers

[amber oar]

The old geezer fled from Wano before Oden even met Kin and Denjiro. Like 14 years before

I don't think it was a bad word per se. I think Momo was forbidden because he's the one person who mustn't throw away his name under any condition

[velvet ivy]

Also Kinemon and the scabbards used Sunnachi when they attacked Kaido so that doesn’t really pan out

[muted ember]

It also just doesn't make sense for Kozaburo to be evil after the flashback we just got

[solid badger]

Sunnachi is a battle cry meant for a last ditch effort by providing everything they have and have no intention of going back iirc.
That’s why kiku was mad at momo for saying it because he’s too important to use such a battle cry meant for someone’s last ditch effort

The scabbards yelled out sunnachi in kaido’s ambush becuase they are the representative of oden’s final effort to drive out kaido

“Nah” -Oda

[normal plume]

So we got any theories for how the Lunarians got wiped out?

[ebon trellis]

Probably WG

[normal plume]

Something that kills everyone is prolonged exposure to high temperature. No matter how tough the skin I suppose with time it will get too hot and denature all the lineage factors and proteins of the person. Imu could've done a hugee extremely hot fire which lasted months, horrible as it is

[ebon trellis]

if only Mariejois should be on red line , they could have exterminated dem to keep it like that or been pressuring them

[white rose]

i would like to hear thoughts on King's lunarian powers, 1. rubber-like (looked like luffy to me) 2. fire (luffy and sanji), luffy and sanji are related somehow to lunarians 99% sure

[ebon trellis]

Moretime they transfer kinetic energy to thermal and cause a fire

But it would make more sense if king was wearing latex

[normal plume]

he isn't rubber-like. More just able to transition his shape more easily. But yes you burn their village so they cannot escape for months on end, and then build Marie Geiose on the remains. I suppose it could be done, and the motive could be because they're too much of a power threat. With them and the ancient civilization wiped, Imu can rule having dealt with the main players

[ebon trellis]

also he deflects all attacks

so what’s up with that

[muted ember]

He doesn't deflect all attacks Zoro cut him in the start of the fight

He's just not bleeding

[ebon trellis]

and that cut showed us skin I swear

[sinful helm]

I mean golems could exist

[white rose]

i could be wrong but this is the imperial tempura attack, 1. he grabs and pulls the horn on his head back maybe 2 meters back 2. he lets go 3. his head goes flying in the other direction maybe 50 or 100 meters, thats pretty rubber/luffy-like to me, my theory is this lunarian power is related to the WG protecting luffy's fruit

[muted ember]

I think it's just more weird shit like Queen and Sasaki

[obtuse tide]

i did papi chucho

[white rose]

do u mean papi chulo?

[cyan berry]

not the place for this conversation

[normal plume]

there's a lot of symbolism involved with the ancient kingdom and the moon. I think there was a relation between the ancient kingdom and the lunarians, this because lunar in their name and Oda does like wordplay. Also they are from distant/ancient times. Next, they were on the red-line and were extinguished, we know Imu is now on the Red-line extinguishing whichever lights he wants to this day. Because of these things compounded I think the lunarians , once so powerful they were deemed as Gods, also got wiped out along with the ancient kingdom. And even more than being allies, I think they likely were a large part of or lived in the kingdom.

[tacit sky]

lunarians seem like they have natural devil fruit powers
devil fruits=souls of dead lunarians?

[normal plume]

Rather Zou has a direct connection with the moon and the ancient kingdom in the sulong mode, the crescent moon is also heavily represented in Wano another ally of the ancient kingdom. We will likely see some symbolism with the moon in Elbalf as well I reckon

[white rose]

now thats a theory i can get behind, devils = lunarians = previous gods =enemies of the current gods = will of d (lunarians will) = lunarian fruits = devils fruits

[normal plume]

If Lunarians got wiped out in the time of the ancient kingdom though, then how is King alive? Does his race live that long or is it a recent near extinction they were given

[tacit sky]

reasonable ideas are that a few survived and were more recently killed, the WG doesnt know that a group of them survived, idk about the living longer idea

[sinful helm]

pls leave yourself no need to get kicked

[split glacier]

I go with the DF comes from the Adam and Eve trees. The WG/CD control the Eve Tree and the Giants protect the Adam tree

[dark magnet]

oop didnt read the channel information, mb wont do it again

[sinful helm]

Adam tree exist that we know that franky knows stuff about it

[tacit sky]

then where do the lunarians come into the picture

[sinful helm]

the snakes that tempted first humans into eating the fruit?

that can be lunarians i guess or they aint important

[split glacier]

There was some theory about the trees i saw but i can't remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uHhb8NGbOY&ab_channel=Sawyer7mage

[normal plume]

They are important. Oda is taking time to mention them this late in the game and hunting to their ancient past, they are relevant and tie in to the main story of the void century pretty sure

[muted ember]

I think they came to Earth from a different moon than the sky races way before the void century

[split glacier]

Rather not have One Piece turn into Space Fighters

[junior cape]

I bet King, and other Lunarians, can only be hurt by conqueror's haki. I back this claim with the fact that he has been slashed, shot, and burned to NO effect this far, and he blew himself up but took 0 damage. Clearly, he's basically invincible towards conventional weapons.

[split glacier]

Wonder who slapped up all the Lunarians then lol. It's not like there was 100 CoC users to take them all out or w/e.

[junior cape]

Maybe it was the 20 kings during the void century.

They conquered the world, then set up shop on the Red Line. It would make sense for them to be able to do it.

Plus we know celestial dragons have the potential, Doflamingo awakened it

[normal plume]

He’s going to be cut by a conventional weapon, otherwise he wouldn’t be paired to Zoro. Eventually Zoro will cut him. He just needs to learn how.

[junior cape]

Yeah, with a conqueror coated sword

[normal plume]

But right it could be Zoro has to haki coat his sword

Oh man Zoro really not at that level, gonna be real rough

[wide sail]

but oden presumably put conq haki in emma so that’s why when he used ashura he got like a “taste” of oden again

and started draining zoro

[normal plume]

If he can conquer the sword then the conqueror haki in the sword will be at his will

[wide sail]

it’s isn’t really about haki coating i don’t think main to do with conq but enma is known as one of the strongest swords in the verse

idk i’m really just saying stuff that comes to my head that somewhat makes since LMAO

[normal plume]

It has to do with conquerors. Zoro was going off about the sword testing him and being worthy of wielding it because it finds him unsuitable right now and isn’t tamed. I do think Enma will only be tamed by a conqueror haki user

[wide sail]

ily bro i told my friend about my theory and he called me stupid LMAO

but enma sucking zoros haki does confirm he has it and it wasn’t from his sword of whatever like people were theorizing

[normal plume]

Hahah everyone is a little Baka who is a OP fan

[split glacier]

Maybe but even 20 is a very little vs an entire race hoping it's not just like 50 at the max of their race lol

[wide sail]

enma is literally named after the god of the underworld so it has to take an unimaginable will to tame him so that’s why it makes since he needs conq haki

[normal plume]

Right just to be able to use the sword it will allow it by seeing you have at least that much haki and drain it. It’ll stop being a pain like that once he conquers it though

[split glacier]

It's always gonna attempt to drain his haki/force the CoC to actually use it tho

[wide sail]

imagine how much of a will shanks sword has 😭💀

if enma is causing that much trouble IMAGINE shanks sword

[split glacier]

Probably lazy just like him lol

[split glacier]

It doesn't work like that.. Enma is the only haki draining sword...

[junior cape]

Presumably these kings had armies, and some among those were incredibly strong too. I wouldn't doubt that there were more conquerors than just the 20 kings.

[supple fjord]

I thought the sword was reacting to the music. But I like these testing zoro theories 🤩

[split glacier]

Same, typical Oda misdirect lol

[supple fjord]

shakes fist
Odddda!!

[hollow prairie]

If I had to guess, I'd say that the void century is going to have something to do with the celestial dragons exterminating the lunarians and I think that when we get Kings backstory it'll be alluded too. I think sanji will be tied into that backstory and the lunarian thing too

[white rose]

"I heard they are incarnations of the sea devil. Supposedly, if you eat one, you will gain devil powers... but the sea will hate you and take your ability to swim!" -Shanks- Oda foreshadowing devil fruits are lunarian powers from manga #19, he shows king using the rubber and fire powers around manga #1000, holy fk

[lament owl]

I think this chapter gave the explanation as to how the race was destroyed

King literally blew himself up via his own flames

Likely the wg found a way to make the majority of the lunarians self implode killing all of them

[modest skiff]

King wasn’t harmed by his explosion

[minor dock]

IMU AND UMMI ARE TOTALLY DIFF PERSON UMMI IS SEA QUEEN WHO MARRIED JOY BOY ND GOT 3 kids 800 year Ago And Thn Xebec is reincarnation of UMMI WHO WANTS THE WORLD WHERE ONLY STRONG EXICTS HES PLAYING A ALL OUT WAR THATS Y WG WAS BUYING WEPONS FROM BLACK MARKET FOR YEARS AND FOR PLUTON ALABASTA PONYCLIP STATED THT ITS IN ALABASTA ..! DO U REMEBER 4 pics IN IMU ROOM SHIRAHOSHI VIVI LUFFY BLACK BEARD nOw my theory comes from there nd mostly my theory does not have tht many proofs either if it had thn it won’t be a theory ryt? UMMI AND JOY BOY had Fought 800 years ago in Void century nd thn after joy boy loss he told thn he’ll come back again after 800 years ( proof of tht 800 year roger saying we are to early to come there will be some one who’ll surpass us ) WG TRYING TO CAPTURE ROBIN AND FRANKY MAYBE THE ONLY OBJECTIVE OF WG WAS TO DESTROY THE PULUTON SCRIPT SO THERE COULD BE NO COUNTER AS TOLD BY FRANKYS TEACHER THERE WOULD BE A TIME WHEN U NEED THIS TO DEFEND THE WORLD ( TALKING ABOUT THE INCEDENT THT WAS TO HAPPEN AFTER 800 year of Void century) There ancestor made promise to protect it untill thn

[sand sail]

I don't mind that you're stealing Artur's plot from Return to Reverie, but could you format that better? It's a massive eyesore with all of these caps and barely any punctuation

[proven agate]

Dang haha

[spice berry]

Caught red-handed lol

[uncut delta]

I have a feeling the Lunarian race extinction has something to do with the God Valley incident

The way they are referred to as "Gods" kinda feels too intentional

[plucky stone]

I agree. Maybe roger and Garp were protecting the celestial dragons from the lunarians or maybe even kaido met king in the incident

[uncut delta]

Yeah, not sure how old King is, but it may even work timeline wise given Kaido was gifted his fruit by Big Mom during/after that span of time

So King being his first-mate would make a lot of sense

It would be wild if they reveal Xebec was acquainted with this God race

Mf has too much mystery around him, albeit does make finding out way more satisfying in the end

[visual merlin]

King's 40 something

47 I think

[reef solstice]

could the lunarians have been the slaves of the CDs that were also being protected during the god valley incident, which means the race wouldve been wiped out along with god valley i suppose

[uncut delta]

That would be fuckin great actually, since the CDs have been protecting something important I think it could be some kind of ability to cause things/people to be subservient to them. Like the apple of eden from Assassin's Creed kinda artifact

Would explain how they've stayed in power for so long and why Xebec wanted to be "King of the world"

[stone quartz]

I finally just read the new chapter, man is it refreshing to see a flashback we hadn't experience in such a wild time but also bringing back pre grandline memories a lil

[uncut delta]

Fr, a much needed Zoro flashback too

[stone quartz]

I wasn't as curious but now I really wanna know what the lunarians were like, it seems to be a big deal I thought it wasnt gonna be talked much haha

[stone quartz]

idk why but this sounds plausible asf ahaha

[white atlas]

why do some people say rocks is alive garp and roger probably killed him?

[normal plume]

Mostly I think because Oda hinted there is a lurking legend and he will become the SHs greatest enemy and so people think it could be Rocks because we don’t know for sure he was killed, just know they defeated him then

[amber oar]

Rocks showing up as a major enemy who was alive all along gives me horrible... uh, certain other series vibes.

Also it's counterintuitive to the ideas of the new age changing the world. It makes more sense if it's all new gen pirates like the worst generation

[novel scroll]

Interesting how the cover page is Tashigi, a literal doppelganger of Kuina, who is the granddaughter of Shimotsuki Kozaburo.

[amber oar]

I'm firmly convinced Koushiro isn't Kouzaburo's only child and Tashigi is a different granddaughter, not Kuina

[novel scroll]

Also, who is this crying girl. If this is Kuina's funeral, this is not Kuina, right?

[twilit dagger]

what are yall thinking about this? cause of lunarians being wiped out and how important this might be for the story

[fresh brook]

Nice theory! It's like, the shimotsukis got scattered all over the world!

[amber oar]

It's Kuina, but younger than we saw her before, also under Oda's newer drawing style

[fresh brook]

It's the grandpa that died

[amber oar]

Another unusual thing is that Tashigi's name is in hiragana, which is rare outside Wano. Even Koushiro and Kuina's names are in katakana.

[left barn]

Does anybody think that Sabo may have killed Kuma? Kuma was so destabilised by his experience that his friend Sabo killed him to relieve him of his pain?

[pure raven]

naw

it was an explicit rescue mission

[left barn]

That was before they met him though. They may have rescued him and then after seeing the state of him decided to do the deed

[pure raven]

I'm not going to argue with a hypothetical that can't be proven until seen because that's now how arguments/debates work especially in a series where Oda's been mostly opposed to writing death unless impactful so an off screen death is even more unlikely.

[novel scroll]

Read this theory, it's a pretty good theory about what happened to Sabo and what happened to Vivy and Cobra at the end of Reverie

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/kvbkrq/what_happened_to_sabo_and_the_end_of_wano_one/

[left barn]

Isn't that the point of this? It's a theory board. It's all hypothetical.

[left barn]

Thanks I'll check it out.

[novel scroll]

It's pretty dang long though, but it's worth it

While you're at it, you might want to read this too. Probably one of the best One Piece theory out there.
About how Wano is the Ancient Kingdom, and "opening Wano border" is not what you think it is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qkmfua/what_it_actually_means_for_wanos_borders_to_be/

[amber oar]

theorizing is not throwing random ideas with the hope one lands. You need at the very least pieces of info that suggest a certain thing is possible.

[pure raven]

Theory implies a thought process behind the idea that has a basis of merit. Like Joy Boy being a giant due to the giant straw hat and Oda's enjoyment of using thematic parallels to showcase that.

In a simple case like this.

Zoro likes eating toe jam.
We can't prove it. We can't find evidence for it. So discussion on if he does or does not is pointless and made especially pointless because theories have pieces that form together to help form the theory/idea.

The burden of finding evidence upon a theory is up to the person who spouted the theory. And theories aren't true until proven false; they're false until proven true.

[white atlas]

nah bro if it was gonna be like that it would probably be a descendent of rocks or some related to him we dont know about

im pretty sure roger killed his enemies unlike luffy so hes probably dead

or actually the lurking legend will be someone who gonna help shs beat big mom and kaido

he didnt say enemy specifically

[muted ember]

I think he said it would be their greatest enemy

[white atlas]

where did he say

[left barn]

I didn't realise I need to write an essay and supply supporting points to things. I thought it was pretty clear due to the relationship that they would have had from their time as Revolutionaries that this situation is a possibility. Plus this style of theme is relatable and used in many genres of movie and TV.

We are talking about a moment between two people based upon a connection they have, and from the state of Kuma when we saw him being ridden by the CD previously, you can tell that he is not in the best of states.

Also, I remember it being mentioned that Kuma was "recalibrated" in the past. I see this situation being similar to programmes that you see when someones mind gets reset but they see someone from the past and it reminds them of their past, or the other person sees that he isn't the same anymore.

recalibrated was probably not the exact term, just to clarify before someone jumps on that

[white atlas]

im calling it: It will be either an ally of rocks who is still alive, son of rocks, or someone related to him

if it actually is rocks that gonna be even bigger reveal than what happened in marineford, maybe the biggest one in the series yet

[pure raven]

Just because it's used in other media is not evidence and it's even less so given that One Piece is not like other stories. An intimate connection is also not grounds for death especially when the expressed initial goal was rescue, further fueled by the fact that it goes against Oda's own writing style portrayed thus far.

Theories have supporting points or loose threads that can point to the validity of it actually occurring. Is there a chance that Kuma was tuned to kill people attempting to rescue him? Possibly but there's not enough evidence to portray that. And there's especially very little chance Oda would have an important character like Kuma dead off screen when he's connected to the RA and to Bonney whom we still haven't seen interact with the straw hats narratively since Sabondy. There's too much at stake with Kuma in the center to just kill him out right for a cheap moment of "Omg I can't believe Sabo had to kill Kuma 😢 😢 😢 "

[hoary lynx]

Zoro straps his balls to a car battery to unlock his blackblade

[fathom matrix]

I think we all know that the WG basically killed them, with only a few surviving. My guess is that CP9 or CP0's task was assassinating any leftover lunarians, and king managed to escape, but the fact that he's allied with Kaido provides protection, so unless they're ready to have a war with a Yonko, they can't attempt to even kill a lunarian under Kaido, if not his strongest commander

Like, they were wiped out to give the CD's the holy land, but they probably documented or know what happened during the void century too, so they would kill them off.

OR HERE'S AN IDEA!

What if all lunarians have tattoo/markings on their bodies that explain or show the history of the void century or some parts, so king is adament about keeping himself covered to hide those markings, plus the fact all his family was basically killed by the WG

[left barn]

I disagree with your opinion as I think people with emotional connections can create grounds for a death and does in many circumstances. I think emotional connections are good enough to be classified as "loose threads" if the motives are clear.

I also think it has the potential to be the catalyst that brings the SH and RA together to meet and I don't think that it's a "cheap pop" if it works in this manner.

Some "theories" go off on incredible tangents to the unthinkable. Some "evidence" can be quite bizarre at times and completely unrelated.

I'm hardly suggesting something that is groundbreaking tbh and completely in the realms of possibility.

Regardless, it's just a theory and we won't know until it gets written. It was an interesting mini debate with you.

[twilit dagger]

Interesting. Any other theories? I was also thinking about a different one on how Jaguar D Saul might still be alive to serve a different purpose

[fathom matrix]

nah he dead

[woven moth]

That is Kuina. This was during the old man's funeral

Unless that's what Oda wants us to think

[ripe geyser]

I highly doubt this is happening but what if BB captures Pudding and kills Viola so that when Pudding’s third eye awakens he can have one of his crewmates use clairvoyance on her when forcing her to look at poneglyph scripts

[obsidian charm]

I read a theory about black beard that , devil fruits are connected to hearts so when a df user tries to swim in water they are weak as it is connected to heart and heart controls all the pumping of blood and since df is connected to heart if someone must to have a power of particular df of someone the person who wants to acquire that power should eat the person's heart in order to aquire that power like how linlin eat mother caramel and Blackbeard in marine ford cover WB to hide his gruesome act and ate his heart to aquire his powers and since a person has one heart they can only eat one df , since black beard have like 3 hearts(isn't confirmed but most likely) he should be able to eat three devil fruit .

[ripe geyser]

Perhaps Oda hinted at the fact that he eats bloody messes by showing that he loves cherry pie in Jaya? Jk that can’t be foreshadowing

BB eating hearts is crazy though it’s quite a stretch but it’s not invalid

[obsidian charm]

yeah that might be another hint

[split slate]

Yeah, I've had a prediction that Zoro will properly unlock CoC-ting in his fight with King after Kaido reveals Zoro's CoC. It makes narrative sense since Zoro's relationship with Luffy is meant to be similar to Rayleigh's with Roger. Zoro also has a history of "I need to be able to summon that power at will or I haven't truly become stronger" power development (Daz Bones being the most obvious one). Also especially in early OP (pre-Kuma's total annihilation of the SHs), Zoro tends to be neck in neck with Luffy in terms of power level; having them unlock CoC-ting at the same time closes the gap that formed because the story has been more Luffy focused since Marineford. Sanji unlocking some kinda superpower closes the power gap between all three main fighters too.

So many people in this server didn't like the prediction though prefering to believe the following:

1. Zoro doesn't have CoC, Enma has CoC.
2. LOLZ King isn't Kaido, why would he need CoC-ting.

Point is, current chapter makes me feel vindicated

[junior cape]

As it should. Zoro fully unleashed Enma as a gamble, and all the fodder soldiers behind him passed out. Conquerors Haki comes with the hard-written stipulation that you MUST be born with it, and Enma canonically only draws out the haki of the USER, not of past users. Ergo, this must be Zoro's ambition of being the world's greatest swordsman finally truly manifesting into conquerors haki. And to be honest, I'm jacked to the tits for it. I imagine that in the next chapter, if Oda keeps it on Zoro, that King is gonna take a solid slash from Enma, and he's gonna bleed, and he's gonna be real confused.

Of course, as the fight goes on, I imagine that Zoro's meds are gonna wear off and thingsll get REAL interesting

[split slate]

Yeah, his ambition fits CoC, which makes me struggle to think how Sanji can unlock it. Sanji's ambition doesn't have him becoming the greatest anything. In that sense, Chopper and Franky has more kingly ambitions.

[junior cape]

Hmmm

[split slate]

But then again Katakuri without kingly ambition has CoC, so Sanji may still unlock it eventually

[junior cape]

Katakuri had the ambition of being "the perfect being "

[split slate]

The other way is having Sanji power up without CoC, which seems to be where Oda is going, but I personally don't like that storyline. Kinda takes the weight away from Sanji's Germa arc where he is the only 'normal human' among his siblings

[muted ember]

Katakuri had the disposition to stand above others, he literally made himself a personification of perfection

[split slate]

Meanwhile Sanji's current ambitions are, "find the All Blue"; "peep at girl's bath"

Neither of which seem to be kingly ambitions

Though he is in that way the most relatable straw hat

As I too wish to~~ peep at the girl's bath at will ~~find the great sea that holds all marine life

[muted ember]

I agree Sanji not a conqueror

He actually hates the idea of conqueroring others

[hollow horizon]

To each their own I guess

The lengths my man goes to see women is nothing short of kingly

[rapid fern]

Same as Luffy. He said it to Rayleigh at the bar, yet he’s beating Yonkou’s ass right now

[ripe geyser]

Sanji’s got the most romantic dream

[hollow horizon]

Luffy beats peoples ass to free others not to conquer them

[ripe geyser]

Not only does he want women but he also wants to find a place that seemingly doesn’t even exist

[rapid fern]

Remember what he said to Law? At punk hardzard?

[sand sail]

He's not picking a war with the Emperors to free anyone

[ripe geyser]

Right. In Punk Hazard the choices were to join a Yonko and serve under them or to go against them, Luffy chose to try and surpass them all

[sand sail]

Those weren't choices, they were just how people viewed the New World. Luffy decided he wanted to beat them all before Law ever brought that fact up.

[ripe geyser]

Well you get what I mean

[rapid fern]

Luffy did say he has some problem with Big Mom at Fishmen Island

Even before Law’s

[muted ember]

He didn't say he hates conqueroring, just that it's not his reason for wanting to be PK

[rapid fern]

My man already planned to beat every Yonkou except Shanks

[sand sail]

Yeh, but the point is Luffy made that choice up before he ever went to the New World.

His entire plan going there was to beat every Emperor and every admiral he could come across. Law just gave him a specific target quickly

[ripe geyser]

Yes I already know this

[muted ember]

He's going to beat Shanks to he said just not first

[modest skiff]

I agree with all this

[ripe geyser]

Don’t make it sound like I didn’t know that cause I did

[sand sail]

Were you disagreeing with what I was saying?

[ripe geyser]

No, just don’t spell everything out for me cause Im not perfect with my words and I can’t always put what I precisely know into words

I know more than my words say

[frosty rain]

Could Blackbeard taken the Road Poneglyph at fish-man island using his devil fruit?

[rapid fern]

He said he doesn’t like being tied to anything. He was a freaking retard in the way he said it. Misunderstanding a lot, however, planning to beat the head of an organization is already counted as conquering.

[lone creek]

He planned to beat shanks when he was a child

[rapid fern]

Rayleigh asked him if he’s ready to conquer the sea, he said ”I’m not gonna conquer anything”

[muted ember]

So are u saying he actually does want to conquer? I'm confused to what you're trying to say

[rapid fern]

I was like after Punk Harzard, “ok, bro”

[ripe geyser]

Luffy’s interpretation of PK is that he’s the freest man on the seas

Luffy’s just doing everything he can to have the most freedom possible but obviously we’ve seen all throughout the story that Luffy cares a ton about other people’s freedom too

[rapid fern]

What I meant to say is that I understand what he meant, but the way he said it was confusing.

He said he won’t conquer anything, but his action as he wants to beat Yonkou counted as Conquering.
I understand that Luffy just doesn’t want to be tied up to anything

[ripe geyser]

Oh wait this a theories channel abort the discussion abort abort

Bring this discussion/argument/whatever to a different channel before mods come

[muted ember]

Again, him not wanting to conquer anything is not the same as Sanji hating the idea of conqueroring others. Just bc u won't do something, doesn't necessarily mean u hate it

[sand sail]

Discussion is fine to be had here as long as it's leading into or about a theory of some kind.

Which this discussion seems to stem from.

Being snarky and shitposting about it, however, would be against the rules

[ripe geyser]

Yup

I don’t recall which theory that discussion stemmed from tho…

[surreal condor]

Hey guy, in the bottom right pane, isn't zoro's left eye slightly open?

[ripe geyser]

It seems to be closed

[muted ember]

I said Sanji's not a conqueror, which technically will be a theory until eos

[rapid fern]

It seems to be blinded

[ripe geyser]

Oh ok. And I totally agree that Sanji is not a conqueror and won’t get CoC.

[surreal condor]

there is something white which can be seen right

thats his eye,right

[ripe geyser]

On second look his left eye does seem too white to be closed all the way

Fujitora lookin eye

[surreal condor]

exactly

he might've opened it

[ripe geyser]

I never noticed it

I found it a little weird that Zoro’s face was split unevenly into 2 panels when reading the chapter but I never bothered to look at his left eye

Then again in the BW version it just looks like nothing more than shadowing

[surreal condor]

well, oda sensei is just too unpredictable. can't say anything here

[muted ember]

I wouldn't base a theory on fan coloring

[surreal condor]

yeah we ought to trust the bw version more

[ripe geyser]

Right, that’s why I’m still quite unsure about this

BW version

I mostly have doubts that Zoro opened the eye but I still do find it weird that Oda split Zoro’s face into 2 unevenly sized panels and made the smaller one darker

[surreal condor]

but if you look closely, you can see something on a dot in the eye

[gaunt perch]

yup oda playing with fans as usual

[arctic wave]

it's the same with sanji's eyebrows

[ripe geyser]

I mean he also played with fans when having Brook ask Zoro if he used Conqueror’s haki

[arctic wave]

i think his eye is definitely open here

[surreal condor]

oh which chapter did that happen?

[still heron]

I don't think that dot is his pupil though

[ripe geyser]

Idk the number but it’s before 1000

[surreal condor]

oh

[ripe geyser]

Try looking between 990 and 1000 and you’ll find it

[surreal condor]

but it sure looks like his pupil

[grizzled fog]

997

[still heron]

if it is, it's likely from another shot since what looks like the eye is way too small for his face and doesn't match up with the next panel

[surreal condor]

it is matching dude. you can see the mouth fit perfectly
and even if it isn't matching that eye is still the left one

[split slate]

That was such a tease.

[surreal condor]

but zoros haki was shown in the anime plus i reread that chapter, and zoro did not deny it

[grizzled fog]

He quite literally said it wasn’t him, that moment was a joke lol

[muted ember]

The anime Haki scene was after it was revealed in the manga already

[ripe geyser]

It is you now Zoro

[surreal condor]

lmao

[analog sun]

Sanji is going to kick queen so hard he'll fly out like a bullet and take King down. Lunarian's weakness is Funk

[surreal condor]

naw bruh zoro gonna kill king

[split slate]

Also the progression of Zoro admitting to CoC goes:

1. Obviously not me.
2. What are you talking about? I just gave it my all.
3. I guess you're right.

So little screen time, and still the character development makes sense.

hats off to Oda

[ripe geyser]

Zoro’s got the WR for basic CoC to CoCting any% speedrun

[junior cape]

Maybe a lunarian's weakness is, ironically, moonlight. That would explain the name, and King's fascination for gimp suits, and why he got so pissed when his mask got cut.

[ripe geyser]

Does Zoro have advanced armament?

[muted ember]

No

[surreal condor]

could be

[sand sail]

But his mask is still broken, and he doesn't seem to be weakened in any way

[junior cape]

Not that we know, but it may not be a prerequisite for costing with conquerors

[timber silo]

yes

[solar knoll]

I guess Zoro never really used COC intentionally before because he never had to give it his all surpass his limit. He was always trying to keep things in control. To Tame Enma Zoro has to let go and release all his talent.

[timber silo]

zoro has ryou

[junior cape]

I didn't say moonlight = instadeath. I said maybe it makes them weaker. The more exposure, the weaker they get.

[split slate]

odds are that he got CoCting before CoC. Bug exploit.

[muted ember]

Ryou is just Wano's term for haki

[timber silo]

and ironically advanced armament haki

[ripe geyser]

Well Kaido felt CoC from Zoro’s Asura attack which wasn’t CoCted

[split slate]

That's neither confirmed nor denied.

[solar knoll]

But Zoro gave everything in that attack.

[sand sail]

I didn't say it was instant death either, I just said King doesn't seem to have gotten any weaker at all.

[timber silo]

its literally confirmed now

[ripe geyser]

CoC users can detect CoC when another user of it collides with them

[sand sail]

Anyone can detect it

Conqueror's has never been needed to feel conqueror's

[split slate]

Except for Daz Bones and the fight vs 2 emperors, yeah, I can't think of a time when Zoro fought someone stronger than him

[sand sail]

It's an overwhelming aura

[ripe geyser]

I mean fodder really feel it

[sand sail]

Kuma

The Pacifista at Sabaody

[timber silo]

kuma... enel ig,kaku, lucci, pacifista, kizaru ig,king,

[solar knoll]

Yea and pretty much with DAZ Bones he surpassed his limits and cut steel.

[surreal condor]

mihawk, kuma

[sand sail]

Oh right, Kaku was actually surpassing his limits as well.

This doesn't seem to be too connected to a theory at the moment though, I'd say you'd do better discussing in #also-manga for no more slow mode for now

[junior cape]

Well that is true. But again, Zoro only got a small part of the mask. If he strips off more, things will probably change.

[devout tapir]

This theory highkey dumb asf but I noticed some wordplay in Shimotsuki lineage with Kozaburo and Koshirou, and Ryuma and Ushimaru. (Ryuma is a direct ancestor to Ushimaru). One has a numerical order (zabu=3, shi=4) and another animals of the zodiac? (ryu=dragon) (ushi=cow). Tiger is after cow in the zodiac order and Zoro has a tiger move.. (Tora Gari)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ZBCclsRCY

Zoro's real name is Shimotsuki Toramaru? Or a variation of tiger in Japanese+maru.

Also this was filler but

[ripe geyser]

How exactly was Zoro able to scar Kaido? Regular armament haki can’t damage him (Luffy vs Kaido fight before act 3). Does it have to do with Enma?

[solar knoll]

I think Kaido implied he used COC

Think about it there were many time luffy used COC without knowing

[split slate]

He didn't fight lucci, did he? I mean at least not a prolonged battle. Kaku wasn't stronger than Zoro. Kuma annihalated him before they properly fought.

[junior cape]

Kaido notes that Zoro had CoC after he cut him, so it was likely Enma drawing it out, without Zoro knowing, in Asura form.

[ripe geyser]

I mean yeah but that was only basic CoC, the ability that makes people fall because of your presence

[split slate]

That's the thing, odds are good Zoro accidentally used CoCting. And if that's the case, Zoro will have a flashback to it in a few chapters.

[solar knoll]

Yes but back then then didn’t know about haki.
When he was fighting Kaido he already was a ryou master

[ripe geyser]

That seems to make the most sense, so does that mean CoC or advanced armament is required in order to damage Kaido

[timber silo]

kaku was stronger than zoro im pretty sure, no they fought each other so did lucci u never said prolonged battle plus king was stronger than him and so was arlong(zoro injured arlong park) and so was mihawk

[muted ember]

No just haki

[sand sail]

Regular armament can hurt him, it just needs to be completely pushed out

[junior cape]

Conquerors haki is a power that isnt immediately obvious when used unless around other life forms. That would be why Zoro never noticed it until now.

[sand sail]

Kaido was being hurt constantly before Zoro used Dead Man's Game, for example

Including by Zoro himself using regular armament haki

[ripe geyser]

That’s true, and didn’t Killer use regular armament to attack him too?

[sand sail]

Nope, Killer just used a sound attack so it bypassed his scales entirely

[solar knoll]

Big difference was the wounding I guess

But got to give it to Kaido for being such a boss

I like how the just told Zoro you did enough this will leave a scar

[split slate]

Zoro's 'regular' armament haki is closer to ryuo though because of his initial instruction in shimotsuki village, and god knows what Mihawk taught him

Also Mihawk not developing Zoro's CoC. Terrible teacher.

[solar knoll]

But maybe Zoro didn’t show signs of COC yet

[gray kettle]

What are the chances Zoro still has his eye and keeps it closed until he needs it in the near future though?

[solar knoll]

Meh lol 😂 too much kakashi for me

Why didn’t he already use it on Kaido then

[split slate]

Maybe, but I'm guessing Oda has a different excuse

[solar knoll]

Kaido is a big enough of a deal to open his eye and use his shanringan if anything

[gray kettle]

I forget what anime it was but didn’t someone have some random ass scale breaking attack they just didn’t use until half way through the anime for some reason?

[solar knoll]

I am guessing hahaha the anime was called “not one piece” or gear 4?

[sand sail]

Don't talk about other series here

[gray kettle]

Nah that’s not what I’m thinking about.

[sand sail]

#other-series

[gray kettle]

But to be fair that’s a good point lol. Dressrossa could’ve been like half an hour

[split slate]

Speaking of Dressrossa, one thing I can't wrap my head around is why can't Zoro or Fujitora cut Doflamingo's strings?

[solar knoll]

Yea I was abit disappointed in Fuji

[split slate]

That's a bit of a scale breaker I think. He can maintain a super powerful bird cage while fighting Luffy at gear 4

[solar knoll]

He was a god damn admiral at least be able to destroy the birdcage

[split slate]

I was disappointed in Zoro, he only intended to push it back and not cut it to pieces. No wonder he didn't unlock CoC at that time.

Dude was almost there too. "It's the work of 1 man, I don't see why we can't push it back"

[solar knoll]

True but I was thinking Fuji should be stronger than Zoro at that point

[sand sail]

Guys, this isn't the channel for casual discussion like this, if it's not connected to a theory you should move it to #also-manga or #manga

[split slate]

So the theory is Fujitora weaker than Doflamingo?

[solar knoll]

Aren’t we making a theory why Zoro and Fuji couldn’t cut birdcage?

[ripe geyser]

Hold on, earlier you said Killer’s attacks use sound and thus ignore Kaido’s scales. He seems to be using a physical attack here though

[sand sail]

Yes, he doesn't cut Kaido there

[split slate]

Maybe birdcage was CoC-ted

[sand sail]

Look at the very next panel

[solar knoll]

Doesn’t make sense I think Fuji had to be stronger than Doffy

[sand sail]

That's more musing about what happened, do you have a solid theory based around this?

[split slate]

Theory is that Birdcage must be CoC-ted

or else Fujitora who is an admiral should be strong enough to smash it to bits

[solar knoll]

Makes sense

[sand sail]

Fujitora didn't smash it because he was betting on Luffy to win

[solar knoll]

Does seem like a Fuji thing to do

[split slate]

Which leads me to the next theory: Admirals do not have/are required to hide their CoC because the world nobles are bunch of scaredy cats

[sand sail]

Well, he spells it out for us pretty much. He could've taken down Doflamingo at any time himself, but he didn't want the government to be even remotely able to claim victory there.

[solar knoll]

But i truly wonder why oden couldn’t break barrier barrier fruit

[ripe geyser]

“Sonic scythe” this uses sound right

[sand sail]

Seems to, yep

[solar knoll]

Do you think kaido could break barrier barrier fruit?

[muted ember]

This is a huge leap in logic. It's speculation based on speculation

[solar knoll]

I just think if someone of Oden level couldn’t break Barrier barrier fruit can you imagine how powerful Luffy could be if Barto Armored Him

[split slate]

It makes sense though. We've never seen an admiral use CoC despite it being quite common at that level of power. On the other side, we know the world nobles have a huge ego issue and would feel threatened by someone with Kingly ambition

[sand sail]

It's not about level of power, though

[pure raven]

Man I really loved that move. Imagine how OP it would be if you imbue it with adv Armament

[muted ember]

Sengoku was an admiral and he's a confirmed conqueror. And it doesn't make sense that Doflamingo could coat the birdcage but never used advanced conquerors against Luffy

[split slate]

Then why can't the birdcage be cut?

[ripe geyser]

Birdcage was solely for plot movement

[split slate]

Plot armor coating?

[ripe geyser]

CoP

[split slate]

That's exclusive to Usopp

[sand sail]

Who said it can't? The bird cage was just made of the same strings, people couldn't cut them because they were too weak to at the time. Fujitora never tried to cut them at all.

[split slate]

But he tried to push them back, why push when you can cut?

[sand sail]

It absolutely wasn't coated with conqueror's haki or anything of that sort, we can say that definitively. Fujitora could've taken down Doflamingo himself, he chose not to, and he chose to push the cage as well.

[ripe geyser]

Fuji did try blocking the birdcage with Zoro and Kin’emon

[split slate]

It's like making coffee with lukewarm water.

[sand sail]

Because he was betting on the pirates

You're approaching this as if Fujitora were seeking to solve the problem

[ripe geyser]

Okay okay calm down mr. correct I get it I agree

[sand sail]

He was only trying to make room for the Strawhats to do the work, not to take care of anything on his own except helping the people

[sand sail]

I'm not addressing you, lol

[ripe geyser]

Xd

[muted ember]

Cutting the cage doesn't help the ppl?

[sand sail]

Sure, but so does taking out Doflamingo. He wanted to help the people, but he needed to do it in a way that the government couldn't take any credit for at all.

[timber silo]

true

[sand sail]

He tells his marines to go and make sure civilians are safe, and then proceeds to just help push the cage on one side instead of just repelling it with gravity around the entire country, as he could have

[timber silo]

fujitora wanted the abolishment of the seven warlords and the sh pirates to get credited for the good deeds they did.

[muted ember]

Couldn't he just cut the cage and pretend it wasn't him?

[sand sail]

It's not even about cutting it, Fujitora's powers made it so there was no real danger if he'd really wanted to take command of the situation.

But no, it's not like Fujitora's an amazing swordsman either. He very well just may not have had the ability to cut the cage himself

If most of his admiral ability is centered in his fruit than anything, the Bird Cage would've just been too strong for him to actually ever cut, which is fair. It wouldn't be right to assume it was something he could do when even he admits he isn't that physically strong.

[split slate]

Stepping out of devils advocate for a moment. I like this one. This means he could have solved the 2 biggest issues but chose to take a back seat. At the same time show civilians that the marines are TRYING to help, but the credit still goes to the SHs

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's how he operated in Dressrosa at the time. He pretty much tells the whole thing to...I wanna say it was Sabo, after their brief fight.

[split slate]

He mentions being able to subdue doflamingo but not birdcage IIRC

Back to devil's advocacy: If Fujitora's plan was to abolish the shicibukai system, wouldn't showing people that the marines led by an admiral couldn't even stop one move from a shichibukai make the people want protection from the shichibukai even more? It makes people lose faith in the Marines/WG which I assume Fujitora wants, but also push people more towards seeking protection from pirates.

Unless he's okay with Whitebeard style protection where a benevolent pirate claims domain and nobody really touches the place

[sand sail]

Presumably, if it had gone bad enough, he'd have stepped in and actually solved everything. But the point of his actions there were more to highlight just how much damage pirates get to cause because of the government's endorsement and protection of them through the Warlord system. He didn't want them to lose faith in the government, just in the system, which happens pretty much exactly as he figured

But then the apology at the end, in my eyes at least, is how he leads people back to seeing the government as somewhat worth believing in again.

[split slate]

Crouching Tiger indeed

[sand sail]

People don't really powerscale in that way, that Doflamingo was defeated is the full story to the rest of the world. The people there weren't exactly scrambling around Fujitora begging him to stop things because he was so powerful, in other words. It's more the status he represents that mattered, not whether the government could stop a warlord if they needed to or not

Of course, they could crush the system at any point and put the pirates on the run, but leaning on criminals for all this was just a bad idea in general for them. So, Fujitora wants to highlight just how stupid that idea always was by letting other pirates expose Doflamingo. The other part of it is just that Doflamingo was indeed a warlord, and technically protected from Fujitora to a good degree as well. So, to me, he was also spitting in the face of that amnesty and showing people just what happens with it.

[weak plaza]

Fun fun theory theory.

Luffy full awaken. Material manipulation into rubber and full body extensions. Giant Luffy with Flaming cloud around as his aura like sun Gods.

[austere silo]

Theory on how to turn a sword black

Guys my theorie on how to permanently turn the sword blackevery sword has a will we saw it in this chapter 1033 so if the will of swordsman using it is less powerful than the sword itself then the sword would be much powerfull for the swordsman to handle so in order to tame a sword to the swordsmans will the swordsman weilding it should have a much higher will than the sword itself lets compare this to zoros and luffys relation first when luffy asked zoro to join his crew zoro said if luffy does something to interrupt him from becoming the worlds greatest swordsman zoro would end luffys life on his own but luffy was able to make zoro give more importance to luffys dream more than his own ambition to become the worlds greatest swordsman because we saw zoro was ready to give his life his ambition everything to luffy as luffys will was stronger than zoro which made zoro respect luffy so that way when the swordsman is able to tame the sword and bend it according to the will of the swordsman simultaneously attaining the will of the sword with it the swords will starts to follow the will of the swordsman and when the swordsman is able to gain respect and power over the sword the sword choses it as the weilder and turns black permanently

Thats my theory add a reaction if you found some relation with this and also dont forget to leave your comments on my thoery

[flat nimbus]

Add a reaction here if you think that the theory needs punctuation before anything else.

[muted valley]

My thoughts on black blades are similar. A subjugation of the blade and taming it, needing CoC to litterally Conqour the swords will inturn turning it black.

[gleaming crest]

sword absobs coc

[junior cape]

A small list of fights and how I think theyll end:
-CP0 vs Apoo/Drake - we will see under the masks, and once the pirates win, theyll be left to burn in the fire. Apoo and Drake may move to the live floor, deal with rabble or resume fighting.
-King vs Zoro - zoro will manage to tame Enma, one way or another, and will chip away at King until we know who he is. Finally, King will go down, zoro will regroup with the rest, and break down in pain from the meds wearing off
-Law/Kid vs Big Mom - Kid and Law will find new ways to use their awakened powers in order to win, but will be helplessly exhausted in the end, leaving them unable to fight any longer. Raid will wind down after this.
-Momo vs clouds - Momo will either learn to make large clouds, or learn to hijack Kaidos clouds. He doesnt have any time to waste, and barely manages it. May begin lowering it to the ground in the wasteland

[versed hamlet]

We see momo already beginning to make the clouds in 1033 when oda pans out post-king explosion.

[junior cape]

-Sanji vs Queen - Sanji utilizes his new toughness to increase his attack power, but his mental struggle continues in the background. Hes fighting for control over his psyche, causing him to take more hits than he'd like, but he is physically fine. Eventually, he breaks Queen's cybernetics, putting the mad scientist down for good

Sanji may or may not black out in there somewhere, only waking up to a heavily damaged Queen

[pure raven]

Proud of my boy

[junior cape]

They grow up so fast...

[pure raven]

I remember him when he was like this:

[junior cape]

-yamato vs the bombs - yamato makes it down in time, but the fire demon gets there at the same time. Yamato and Fuga try to force the demon out of the area somehow, at least to buy time, as yamato starts defusing the bombs. It comes down to a .001 sec clutch defuse in the game-winning round, but counter-terrorist win this time

[grim stone]

Regarding the King-Zoro and Queen-Sanji fights, i feel it would end up in a tie breaker more than a win here. Everyone's at their limit here except King and Sanji.

I feel we might get a slight tussle between those 2 again as the Lunarian plot thickens

[pure raven]

Considering brook and Robin be going in the same way as yamato i think brook will freeze the yokai

[junior cape]

Hmm, I think thematically itll stay in the current match ups, since oda likes to have the 2s and 3s of different crews fight each other

[junior cape]

That could also happen. Brook has shown he can freeze fire. But with how this flame demon operates, that may not hold forever

[grim stone]

Yeah, imo it won't be a proper fight but a few exchange of words and kicks. Then Sanji might have to carry a collapsed Zoro back to safety with other situations developing/interfering King-Sanji. While Queen isn't knocked out for good but comes back up again.

[pure raven]

Yeah but maybe they hold it down temporarily. Wait considering that The bombs are in the lowest level of the island maybe Fuga Collapse the floor and the bombs and the yokai fall down from onigashima into the ocean

[grim stone]

^ this - could be a good option given the time limit. But i feel its already close to land and the explosion might blow up some parts of the mainland closer to the ocean.

[junior cape]

Impossible. Onigashima is already over land. Best case if they fell through would be to detonate midair, hitting nobody. If they hit the ground, the Flower Capital becomes a crater.

[pure raven]

It is over the land?

[grim stone]

Regardless it hits Flower Capital or not, the other regions will face some form of explosive damage nonetheless

[pure raven]

Well fuck

[junior cape]

Chapter 1027 - page 9/17

[grim stone]

This is something similar to the Udon Prison, which was previously where Kaido and Oden clashed. We can expect change in landscape once again.

[pure raven]

So if it's already over the land what happens? It seems that One of the options is that Brook Freezes the yokai permanently and problem solved

[pure raven]

Could be

[junior cape]

That would work on normal fire. This is a magic flame demon that phases through walls. We dont know what'll happen

[pure raven]

It phases? I thought it melts the walls

[junior cape]

Nope, phases

[pure raven]

Bruh

[pure raven]

I don't see any other options then except the floor falling down Far away from the mainland

[grim stone]

Its being called Yokai here, most Yokais do phase through objects.

[pure raven]

Or brook doing some magic underworld ice fuckery to freeze it permanently

[grim stone]

And brook could do something here, he deals with Souls so, spirits/yokais aren't out of his reach?

[pure raven]

Yeah

[grim stone]

maybe hijack the Yokai's body - too risky

[junior cape]

Well we know 2 things. First, the demon will STOP at the bottom floor of the island, because th hats what Kanjuro set it to do. Second, we have Fuga, big manpower, so yes digging may happen.

[pure raven]

Yoooo never thought of that

Or maybe yamato because if I remember correctly one of her moves has something to do with glaciers

[junior cape]

Hmmm

[pure raven]

I think it's that panel when both kaido and Her Use this blast and form a sphere of yin and yang

Kaido uses boro breath in that as for yamato i forgor the name

[grim stone]

A super freezing skill that would render the explosives useless as the Yokai comes in contact? The yokai ain't sentient so it would just stop doing or just disappear once its deed is done

[pure raven]

God I forgor that panel i swear it had the word glacier in it

I FOUND IT

It's called “namuji glacier fang"

Y'all think she could use this against the yokai?

It's described as a “dense blast of ice" so maybe combined with Brooks freezing abilities they can stop the yokai?

[grim stone]

Yes!

[pure raven]

We have more hints of Sanji having a relation to Lunarians. Is it possible judge acquired the genes of Lunarians?

For the last 2 panels, Sanji looks quite similar to king.

[pure raven]

Probably

Although I am not sure that these parallels are Intentional because they seem way more likely unintentional

[pure raven]

I don't think so has well, although sometimes will link two unrelated things together for them to be related later. However if we get even more similarities we can now possibly assume sanji being related to Lunarians

Ye

[muted ember]

Yes Oda unintentionally gave them the same exact powers makes sense

[pure raven]

Another note i forgot to address is that King also used diable Jambe. Also, if he did exploded due to perversion and passion? Will have more comparisons to both of them.

[pure raven]

Bruh do you even know what I was referring to?

Try reading Before acting like a smartass

[muted ember]

Sanji and King having the exact same powers?

[pure raven]

No...

I was referring to the panels themselves

[muted ember]

Those the only parallels I see being discussed

In the panels they're doing the exact same thing so my statement stands

[pure raven]

sigh

[ancient vault]

Nah lol
king exploded, sanji burst out in flames. Sanjis fire comes from his emotions unlike kings which is permanently o

[visual merlin]

king didn't use diable jambe, but yea he put fire on his leg we already knew he could do that, and I don't thinl the explosion is a big there

King referred to zoro hitting a spot too, he didn't burst out in passion or anything

[pure raven]

Lmao sanjis head on fire and kings fire which is located on his back? Lol

“parallels"

[muted ember]

That's a superficial difference

[visual merlin]

they don't have the same exact powers, sanji's able to make fire by spinning or whatever, King's a lunarian who has fire on his back 24/7 with wings and can shoot out fire and shit

[pure raven]

Also not to mention that oda could have done it as a gag to put his head on fire when he was really angry

[pure raven]

^

[muted ember]

Sanji been stopped spinning

[pure raven]

For the explosion part he did this here btw. And yes sanji doesn't have it permanently ofc. I should of said judge might used the lineage factor of Lunarians to some extent. I apologize for that

[muted ember]

That was probably only the first time

[pure raven]

Can he throw fire?

[visual merlin]

the idea behind it is still spinning though

[pure raven]

For shooting out fire doesn't sanji do that with poele e frie ?? Or am i wrong

[visual merlin]

If Judge tried giving him lunarian genes he should've had a reaction to diable jambe

[pure raven]

I ain't disregarding that sanji could have lunarian genes but most of the parallels mentioned are probably unintentional

[visual merlin]

he just kicks you

[muted ember]

How is the idea spinning if he only did that once out of all the times he used it?

[visual merlin]

he didn't just do it once

[muted ember]

The only time I remember him spinning is Jabra

[visual merlin]

The idea is spinning because that was the explanation for how diable jambe works when he first used it, he visibly spun all of pre timeskip, and a few times post timeskip

[pure raven]

Yeah do think most of this is unintended i just wanted to address these possible points

@muted ember ^

[visual merlin]

If the idea was never spinning, why was he spinning before?

[muted ember]

When did he spin post ts?

[visual merlin]

He at least did it on the kraken

I believe on vergo as well

[pure raven]

For spinning post ts, i remembered on the wiki they said they started to copy the manga exactly where sanji doesn't spin anymore

[muted ember]

I have the kraken panel he doesn't spin hold on

[visual merlin]

in any case, spinning was our explanation for it, and he's been visibly spinning up til recent, I think it's just oda getting lazy at that point

if spinning was never the idea, we'd have to question why he ever needed to spin

[visual merlin]

ah then I guess it was just the anime

[muted ember]

U can't just say "in any case" after u give me a bogus example

[visual merlin]

oh well, pre timeskip at least he spins

[pure raven]

For 1023 ,Sanji said its his passion that makes him use fire so the spinning part isn't applicable??

[muted ember]

He only spun once pre ts I'm pretty sure

[visual merlin]

Thats kinda the purpose of in any case, whether or not that example works, the explanation given was spinning

[muted ember]

No bc u justified by saying he's spun multiple times

[visual merlin]

He has, that was just what I thought was a post timeskip example

[muted ember]

I don't think he has

[visual merlin]

okay, why do you think the initial explanation given is that he spins?

[burnt sierra]

Guys, i have an theory
What if God Valley was originally home of Lunari?

[muted ember]

Well he just spun and his leg caught on fire it doesn't explicitly say that's the reason it happened

[visual merlin]

It does though, that's also why he spins in the first place

[pure raven]

Lmfao

[burnt sierra]

It can explain Big Mom dream and how garp and roger could fight together
and why Garp hates teryunnbito's soo much
they were in god valley to exterminate the last Lunarians

[muted ember]

It doesn't, like I said Sanji just spins and uses the attack, there's no text explicitly stating he only caught fire bc he spun

[pure raven]

Lunarians lived On top of the red line dude. Not godvalley

[muted ember]

Which he clearly didn't bc he never had to do it again

[pure raven]

Just saw this theory while reading gear red theory It sure is amazing
Sorry not my place to say this
but u should have at least put the credit as to whose theory it is

https://youtu.be/3jnRV_AgCjg

The original theory.
her channel originally had around 1k subs however it increased after grandlinereviews take on it

[simple bear]

yh I remember seeing it on grand line review

but I didnt remember who he was referring to

[amber oar]

it's proven false anyway

[pure raven]

Via Vivre card?

I wanna hear yall theories about how shanks connected to the singing girl of film red

[pure raven]

@Coc Trio you think she's makino's daughter?

thats cool, that she might come from the same village as luffy tho

[split glacier]

People saying Dragon looks like Xebec is rather funny. They both have wild hair that's it. And not even similar wild hair lol. Rocks is spiky and Dragon's is like SS3 Goku

[amber oar]

yup. Vivre card explicitly states Dragon was born as Garp's son.
Some people argue vivre cards "can lie", but when there's something to reveal later, vivre cards either omit info or leave it vague. The wording in Dragon's vivre card is very explicit in that regard.
The few times vivre cards put something wrong a correction is quickly released. Dragon's vivre card came out ages ago, so it's pretty much confirmed.

[split glacier]

Too many manga only elitists I say lol. Just don't wanna accept direct alternate information

[amber oar]

Additionally Chinjao mentions Dragon when talking about his three generation hatred for the Monkeys

[split glacier]

The Shanks relation to Xebec is stronger than most honestly.

[amber oar]

how so?

[split glacier]

Lemme find manga page. 1sec

Shanks' face reminds Whitebeard of a man who was dangerous and strong enough to scar him. Then you add all the "The father's sins don't pass down to the children" with Garp and Roger battling Rocks. Shanks is old enough to have been just born, blah blah blah. There's some theory on reddit

[pearl shale]

do anyone think that xebec is em

[ancient vault]

No

[ancient vault]

Yes, its a popular theory

[pearl shale]

but why

[spice berry]

No

[pure raven]

To add to this (probably Has existed long before) shanks is related to the god of war and justice tyr and here is the Construction of his name: The Proto-Germanic masculine noun *tīwaz.

tīwaz stems from Proto-Indo-European *deywós, meaning 'celestial, heavenly one

[split glacier]

I hate the Xebec is Imu theory too. Why would he try to become king if he was already secretly king...lol

[ancient vault]

Xebecs is a hellhound that ate celestial dragons

[pearl shale]

no he won the war and then he force the world government to sit on the throne

[ancient vault]

Do you know what scar hes talking about

[split glacier]

That big ass one on his chest

[ancient vault]

Can you post it

Also thinking about it. Maybe blackbeard had claws because he wanted to be like xebecs since he had claws from his devil fruit

[split glacier]

Dunno which one specifically but he just says "the wound" so it's at least one of them.

[ancient vault]

Yeah makes sense

[queen arrow]

Whitebeard was talking about Roger

he specifically mentions he remember Shanks' face because of when he was in Roger's crew in this same chapter

that was also the big reveal from this chapter, and i see no reason to believe that Whitebeard meant anyone but Roger

[amber oar]

I believe the same, it looks more like he meant Roger

[split glacier]

We know wounds only "ache" from people you are enemies with or something similar. Roger and WB are FAR from enemies.

It's silly that Shanks face makes his wounds ache but not Ace's...

There was also another translation/version where it says "HIM" in bold. Which doesn't make much sense just to reference Roger next page.

[muted ember]

It makes sense but I like Dragon as Rocks son more personally

[split glacier]

The mystery behind Dragon is probably my biggest unknown interest but I hope he has a complete separate backstory

[muted ember]

I can see that perspective too and yea I been waiting for Dragon to show up

[twilit dagger]

Legend.

Roger and Garp also worthy of the title ofc

[clever lintel]

I feel like Zoan Awakening is going to go well beyond just durability and power increase. If Chopper's Rumble Balls turn out to enable limited awakening, alongside the form of the Jailer Beasts, then awakening could entail manipulating the transformation itself. Especially since the Jailer Beasts are different from most hybrid forms in that we can see that they maintain a human form on the their lower half.

[tropic surge]

Quick dumb theory, just cause I don't think Oda would re introduce CP0 chasing Nico Robin again for no reason:
What about another Marineford with Robin as the chained one and Luffy as Whitebeard?

[clever lintel]

I feel like Vivi is more likely to be in that position. Especially if she turns out to be an ancient weapon.

[simple bear]

do u guys reckon sanji has shown any sign of being a conqueror?

[tropic surge]

The more I think about it the more I'm liking that being how Luffy will be shown with his float but yeah maybe another person captured or something, cuz else it would be too much of a rehash of Ennies Lobby

[low swallow]

Vivi being an ancient weapon, is that a possibility?

We know two of them
Poseidon is Shirahoshi
Pluton is a ship

It is weird for a regular person to be the third ancient weapons

[raw spade]

^

[tropic surge]

Wasn't it theorized Momo being a weapon cuz he could command Zunesha

[split glacier]

Uranus is a Greek Sky God so Momo being a dragon might tie into it somehow.

[twilit dagger]

Uranus?

[scenic fulcrum]

That's Jupiter you're thinking of

And it's Roman

[pure raven]

It's Ur'Anus

I think Uranus has something with King Race

So the concept of multiple races exist in the world of one piece

So it brings to question, which race are aliens, and which ones are native to the planet as a whole

My money's on the fishmen actually being the native to the world of one piece alongside the humans with all other races sort of ending up on earth through just travel.

[split glacier]

No. In Greek Mythology, Uranus is the personification of heaven aka sky God.

[haughty plinth]

Since Dogstorm used Oden’s Nitoryu, despite having a sword leg, does that make him a Santoryu user?

[split glacier]

I thought Uranus was some Sky Sky mythical God fruit that Dragon stole from WG and that's why he's so wanted. Plus links to his possible abilities with wind and sky phenomenon but probably not.

[haughty plinth]

Definitely not. Sanji has no drive to become stronger other than protect his Nakamas and cook some tasty ass food

[quartz fjord]

I always thought Dragon either had the storm storm fruit or control of an ancient weapon

It must be connected to his tattoo

One Piece would make a great MMORPG

[abstract pond]

That would mean that Vegapunk can make ancient weapons

[split glacier]

https://youtu.be/Eh1G1pxpem4

That video poses a theory similar i guess

[haughty plinth]

I can just imagine Ivankov hanging with Dragon like:

“Bro this tattoo looks lit af”
“Yeah you should get it”
“Let’s fucking go”

[quartz fjord]

if he does possess an ancient weapon, I wouldn't be surprised if said weapon was sentient and only responds to whoever's "marked"

[sand sail]

Do you have a theory connected to this?

[chrome spire]

Was Kaido ever shown before 2017 or before this was said? Like the actual him. If not I think people are overthinking the living legend part. Cause it’s said that Rox died so the LIVING legend could’ve been Kaido. IMO. Not that Rox won’t make a flashback appearance later, I just don’t think it’ll happen in Wano per se. Nice if it did. Better if it didn’t.

[muted ember]

He's talking about the return of the Rocks Pirates bc he says it's related to Whitebeard

[chrome spire]

Related to WB could just mean that he’s a Yonku

[solar knoll]

Probably Kaido

[abstract pond]

Related to WB is also Kaido being a former crew mate of WB

[chrome spire]

So many ppl think it’s Rox and I’m like nahh he dead tho lol

[visual merlin]

well, its lurking, not living

rocks makes the most sense by far, there's even hints toward it

[chrome spire]

Where? Cause I give you the lurking part

[visual merlin]

such as Akainu telling Fuji not to refer to rocks/alliance between Bm and kaido as a legend

[hollow grotto]

The information that Oda releases in these is always revealed a year/two after, right?

[visual merlin]

and they've said the rocks pirates are still lurking

for that matter especially kaido himself isn't lurking

[chrome spire]

They are in the sense that BM and Kaido are still out there running amok

[visual merlin]

Bm and Kaido are out there in the open, rocks is something thats lurking

[solar knoll]

I wonder what word he use for Lurking in Japanese

[chrome spire]

Maybe that they use to be in the same crew and that crew is the crew of all crews and WG doesn’t want that info out. Cause that’s as big as Roger in his heyday

[abstract pond]

Rocks is dead lmao, how is that lurking

[solar knoll]

Sometimes shit get translated different from Japanese to English

Lurking could have been a bad translation

[hollow grotto]

'lurking' just refers to something not on the surface i.e hidden, they don't have to be alive, they don't necessarily correlate

[abstract pond]

Didn't Sengoku said he wasn't alive?

[solar knoll]

Lurking king of means in existence but not in plain sight

[hollow grotto]

Rocks' crew was hidden from history and was legendary as a group, pretty fitting to assume that was the 'lurking legend'

you wouldn't expect Whitebeard to have association with a group like that either

[chrome spire]

Well @hollow grotto made a good point it doesn’t mean alive necessarily

[muted ember]

It's the return of the Rocks Pirates, not Rocks himself, it's lurking bc the Marines knew Kaido and Big Mom used to be on the same crew, but they didn't talk about it and were never expected to team up. And now that they have its basically the most powerful pirate crew in history

Hence "Their greatest enemy"

[abstract pond]

Rocks pirates aren't returning. Only 2 of them and they gonna be defeated soon

[hollow grotto]

If it was directly Rocks himself, that'd imply the Straw Hats fight him

[chrome spire]

Gotcha. Picking up what you putting down and that’s more plausible than the man himself being alive. Like what’s spouted here on a daily basis for 3 weeks lol @muted ember

[hollow grotto]

Miscommunication and misleading information is so big in this fandom

The more vague Oda leaves anything, the more fights will break out debating every word Oda has said to justify their reasoning behind something until it's undeniably proven right or wrong

I'm a victim of this myself

[abstract pond]

The text of the pic looks very clear to reference Kaido to me. He is the greatest enemy ever for the Straw Hats

And was "lurking" because we didn't see anything of him

[chrome spire]

We just need to keep it all within the love we have for this great work of art. And understand we all passionate that’s why we’re all here. The more of us the better. I can’t wait for my kids to go back and read how great and accurate some of these theories were

[chrome spire]

I agree. That’s why I posed the question earlier

[muted ember]

Kaido was introduced in 2015 tho

[hollow grotto]

Appreciate the positivity, wasn't exactly what I expected as a response to that but thanks

[chrome spire]

Where at? Not that blob of a shadow man who looked more like Pound then Kaido lmao

Now Shanks being related to Rox I’m thinking that’s more plausible. And Dragon being his son is just lazy writing but still interesting lol

[muted ember]

Chapter 795

Literally his introduction chapter

[chrome spire]

Yup. Right at the end. Damn that was 2015? Sheesh lol been so long but he was still lurking after that presumably

We had no clue what his powers were (well some clues. We just might not have accepted them as fact at the time lol)

[pure raven]

Hey idk if it's part of the story but with the last chapter I thought that oda should make it so that the amount of haki Enma draws out is not only its standard but it should have the intelligence to assess or measure its opponent's strength and draw out as much haki as it determines is necessary to defeat the opponent.

[eternal cairn]

yeah its a cover art before marineford and luffy is doing the same crying pose when ace died and he's holding an ace card and a brook card (brook represents death)

[vapid lava]

pandaman is a smile

[left barn]

I don't see Kaido as lurking tbh. He's out in the open. Everyone knows him.

Im is lurking

But the idea that we go into detail over one word that may just have been picked randomly by a tired writer potentially to pop a crowd is borderline crazy in itself

[modest skiff]

He has a fish fruit so it is unlikely he would drown in water

[little kelp]

I know this isn't some huge worldbreaking theory or anything but what if Wapol is calling Morgans to give him information about Vivi being a pirate? and trying to ruin Alabasta more after the big news concerning them

[muted ember]

Alabasta is getting buster called

[grizzled fog]

Warship island was a filler arc I believe

[junior cape]

Correct. Only in the anime, filler arc.

[magic saddle]

what chapter will we actually see Onigashima arrive at the Flower Capital? any thoughts?

[abstract pond]

Looks like Momo is already pulling Onigashima away so...never?xd

[severe ice]

I hadn't seen this before. Oda is just talkative :'v

[severe ice]

Perhaps 1036, even tough Momonosuke could make Homuragumo on time

[pure raven]

will momo turn into hybrid mode soon?

like a smile equivalent hydrid mode of the fish fruit

Is king (conqueror)haki can get from soul not from only born?

[night karma]

I don’t think so, we haven’t even seen him in human adult form yet and he doesn’t really know how to use his df yet

[sudden timber]

Anyone else watched Artur - The Library of Ohara’s video on Skypiea? I know I’m 4 days late, but Noah’s Ark and Joy Boy’s failed promise now makes sense

[fallen forge]

i have seen his vids briefly

i only watched about half of each one

[sudden timber]

The next one releases on 11/30. Can’t wait for that!

[fallen forge]

yeah, he is pretty knowledgeable when it comes to his theories he's spent a lot of time and dedication making them

[sudden timber]

Personally, I think his theory/research may be the most accurate one

[fallen forge]

funny thing is all of his stuff is very well done, but tbh oda probably has some crazy ending no one would even think about

[sudden timber]

Oh yeah, true.

[slim vale]

Has anyone ever seen the theory that jewelry Bonny is a red hair pirate post time skip? Idea is based on the line where you either join a yonko or you fight one, and we haven’t seen any proof she fought one so maybe she joined one. Other thought is the way she snuck into reverie was thanks to shanks

[vital charm]

it’s possible, but she can also be a queen or a noble in the first place to join reverie

[slim vale]

Very true, just as a pirate explanation I think joining shanks could make her very interesting

Also I never understood why Bonny would now just become a supernova if she really is some granny that aged herself down. But I guess it could be something happened to her kingdom

[grizzled fog]

Interesting theory, I’d figured her new world journey was cut short so she doesn’t really apply to either group, unless you count Blackbeard defeating her. But there’s still about 2 years after she was captured by Akainu to the present where her whereabouts were unknown

[sudden timber]

Fighting the Yonko just seems like an automatic default if you don’t join them, since everyone who is looking for the One Piece will inevitably have to face them. Perhaps an exiled monarch, but can’t say what her relations with characters she’s confronted are; she seems to take everything personally no matter who she talks to.

Also seems strange that Akainu didn’t go all out to hunt her down after she escaped. When he let Aokiji go, it seemed weird for someone who believes in Absolute Justice to spare anyone he disagrees with (although understandable since they were old comrades). But definitely odd for a pirate to have escaped from him and is still roaming around

[grizzled fog]

Who’s to say he didn’t give his all to catch her though? Her escaping was definitely a big deal even to him, she could’ve just evaded the marines

[scarlet veldt]

I have a question. Is pearl from don kreigs pirates a lunarian?

[sand sail]

No

[scarlet veldt]

Since he can create fire Willy nilly?

[grizzled fog]

there are plenty of characters who do that

the important thing to note is that no one outside of king (and devil fruit users obviously) manipulates it so freely, its one thing to light yourself on fire and its another thing to shoot fireballs and such like king does

[scarlet veldt]

I don’t remember a chapter king has created and shot fireballs.

[sand sail]

It seems to be what happens when he transforms and fires from his wings