manga-theories

[grim stone]

^this compliments the part when we get to see Zoro vs Mr 1. The sword can and cannot cut things when in control of it. Enma depicts loss of control. We might even get Enma lashing out a strike wildly around or at King.

[solar knoll]

How strong do you think Shimotsuki Ushimaru was?

[pure raven]

https://twitter.com/opdazaih/status/1461800385719513093?s=21

Dazai (@opdazaih)

#ONEPIECE1032

Understanding Ryou and Zoro vs King - Mini Thread-

1 thing that stands out in Zoro vs King fight is that Zoro seems to perform better offensively against Kaido than King. So I aim to answer as to why that is by also bringing more understanding to the practise of

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[solar knoll]

For me king probably has a better defense mechanism than even Kaido. Also Kaido takes most of his attacks without actually defending

[visual merlin]

Yea, its just that King's actually trying to block with wings and haki

or attempts to dodge

whereas kaido rarely puts any real effort into dodging or blocking

[split glacier]

The link to him being Xebec's son is actually something as wel as being a D so hiding his full name would actually mean something

Sopp is their family name

That's related to Hiyori playing that instrument. Gonna be another "Conq Clash splitting the sky giving Minks one last power up" type of thing for Zoro.

[plucky kiln]

will orochi actually be executed ?

[fathom matrix]

I just remembered, Jinbei, Nami, Usopp, Brook and Zoro don't have full names.

I guess sometimes the full name is hidden for lore purposes, and it may only show up if it's important or to add suspense, like people are gonna discover, Zoro's name perhaps, but we don't know half of the straw hat's full names

[torn pulsar]

roronoa zoro?

[fathom matrix]

OH GOD I FORGOT THAT

My B, I'll take that L

[torn pulsar]

i got that consufed for a little bit too but it could be a his mothers name and not his fathers situation like with ace

[ancient vault]

Why would he tbh? They dont do any significant damage

[fathom matrix]

I know Tony Tony Chopper, Nico Robin, Vinsmoke Sanji (he rejects it but it's still a birth name), Monkey D Luffy, Roronoa Zoro, Cutty Flam (Franky),

I'm still surprised Usopp, Nami, Jinbei and Brook don't have full names

[plucky kiln]

maybe it doesn't matter

[ancient vault]

Thats probably the answer

Especially Jinbei

[plucky kiln]

I mean people want full names, but I think "Son of the Sea Jimbe" is saying more about Jimbe than some family name

[ancient vault]

For Usopp it depends imo. If his name might reveal his related to Noland I‘d find it good to be eevealed. If its unrelated it really doesnt matter

Namis real parents were never ever mentioned again. I dont think her bloodline is of importance

[plucky kiln]

Ussop being an inheritant of the Long Nose Tribe

[muted ember]

I expect Nami to get an extra backstory

[ancient vault]

Nor do I think Brooks is important. He was clearly not a royal in his old country in the west blue so i dont really see why his name would be important

[plucky kiln]

And Sanji will forever be Black Leg Sanji

or Black Foot Sanji

[fathom matrix]

TBH I think Nami had all the backstory she needed, and if she started to become more open with the crew, she maybe would have already said "Insert maiden name, my full name, is insert maiden name Nami" in reference to her mom

[torn pulsar]

she didn't know her original parents which is why i do think it could be interesting if somehow, someway her original parents were to be shown, in case anyone has forgotten what i remember it to be is: belamare isn't nami's real mother, she met nami and nojiko (nami's sister, i did have to look that up) on a battle field in a town while belamare was still fighting in the navy and adopted both nami and nojiko

[ancient vault]

Yeah but they were never ever brought up again unlike with Franky who we got reminded of again in the oden flashback

[pastel summit]

We really don't need some hidden backstory for Nami's dead parents.

[plucky kiln]

I mean if there was one, nobody would care. luffy doesnt even know namis backstory

because it doesnt matter to him

[pastel summit]

It's not even for Nami. She was literally a baby. You're asking for backstory on her dead parents, who are already dead. Whatever story they had, died with them.

[ancient vault]

I dont think thats a solid argument

[ancient vault]

This i mean.

I agree with choc. She most likely doesnt even remember anything. She was a literal baby.

[muted ember]

I mean Zoro's dad is presumably dead and even if he's alive Zoro was separated from him as a baby but we're still getting the backstory

[torn pulsar]

im not saying we need one im just saying i thin it would be interesting if we got one, although i don't think we will not because it didn't matter to luffy but because i think that's what oda is trying to convey through luffy that no more will be explored with nami and her backstory

also the way i think nami was introduced was nojiko walking through the battle field with nami in her hands being a toddler/young child nojiko could have forgotten her parents but also not, maybe nojiko told nami about them and nami knows but thats what were waiting for to be introduced

[acoustic helm]

Did zoro's self doubt led to enma being going out of control?

[timber silo]

no

it was hiyori's shamisen

[pastel summit]

nojiko and nami aren't related. they don't have the same blood parents.

[torn pulsar]

fair

[naive breach]

enma reacted to hiyori's shamisen means the enma belongs to hiyori and cant be with anyone , maybe zoro will return the enma to hiyori and will take nidai kitetsu or kitetsu II

[pure raven]

How is my man Zoro gonna win?

Man is only standing thx to that drug how is he gonna beat King

[fallow knot]

Don't worry vinsmoke sanji will save him😂

[pure raven]

[fallow knot]

Anyways I saw sawer7mage new video about adam and Eve being df producer tree. And Eve being national treasure of mariejoes. I like the idea.

And if wg has a df user army then indeed elbaf gonna have the biggest war .

[wet kayak]

this theory is good

[pure raven]

Isn't eve like the sunlight tree? Does it also produces DF'S?

[solar knoll]

But he did say he is special compared to the defense of Dragons and Dinosaurs

[solar knoll]

So I am assuming that also means he must have some special defensive abilities from his racial abilities

[fallow knot]

It's a theory coming on tht.cause it's upper half is in mariejoes.oda only showed it's under sea part. About it's upper half is still a mystery.

[bitter kraken]

So does that mean that swords are sentient in a way and know who they belong to? Or is it genetic like it can recognize dna. But either way it would suck for zoro to lose his power up

[spice patrol]

Its like in sword art online

[formal ingot]

the power of friendship

[pure raven]

[light onyx]

Orochi is just hallucinating he’s gone bat shit crazy

[pure raven]

Orochi taken that sanji hallucination shit

[junior cape]

Orochi had some bad shrooms with dinner

Anyway, I think Hiyori met up with Denjiro after the vassals split up. Theres no way she did all that hair, makeup, and clothes on her way in alone. Denjiro us likely with her to cut Orochi down for good now that hes out in the open.

That, or she'll do it herself

[stuck crown]

In episode 957, morgans covers a picture of someone pinned on the wall
Any theories as to who it cud be, looks like a female?

[grizzled fog]

I don’t believe that’s in the manga

Could you post a picture of what you’re referring to?

[proven agate]

Ok are you all ready for this i put this in the other chat to but here’s the true final boss:

[earnest atlas]

i feel like we will see shanks in the manga do something before the new movie comes out

[proven agate]

High IQ 12000 brain play: Klahadore as revenge for the money he lost secretly manipulated the WG to go after Vivi to bring Luffy to him and will use the full force of the Marines to attach the Straw Hats

Expect nothing less from the greatest tactician in history

[inner barn]

Hey, got a question about the ch 1028 cover page (the one with usopp and Nami).

There we got the number 800 on usopps glasses and the writing "it's not play" on his hat. So if I look at the cover page of ch 800 we see "snow white dead" Robin, does that mean that Robin will die soon and get resurrected by Trafalgar or sanji( he is the prince on the cover page 800)?

[wild turret]

Possible theories on Zoro vs King ? Safe to assume he’s some type of fire elemental and he’s going to need kinemons techniques

[wet kayak]

likely : blackblade

[wild turret]

Needs a blade blade in order to cut him ?

Black*

[wet kayak]

he can cut him as we have seen here

but he just cant hit him because king is too fast for him

which is why i hope zoro will get some sort of mobility boost, it would be good and new from his normal power ups

[analog sun]

Realistically, how many chapters can there be between the tease of Hyori playing and the end of the Act be?
Part of me thinks it has to happen in the next chapter or two but another is concerned this is just announcing the start of the resolutions of all current ongoing crises (monster trios fights, fire heading to the weapon stash, Robin/CP0, Onigashima falling, Ninja Boss Duel) which can take another dozen chapters.

[sturdy glen]

any theory about admirals getting into play? cant believe they wont come

[muted ember]

I think Fujitora will come

[lunar shell]

They wont.

[amber oar]

It's not in the manga

it just looks like sabo anyway. You can see the scarf and a glimpse of his hat

[sly mulch]

The writer failed to mentioned that the red line mountain already existed before the World Government came to exist. Marco said that WhiteBeard told him that there used to a race(lunarians) of the gods that lived on top the great red mountain before Marijoa came to exist. Which would mean that Zunesha and even Zou have always been at the new world because the red line wouldn’t have allowed it to cross if they were to come from Jaya.

[sacred hawk]

You know how the wings on King's hybrid form can be used as blades? What if later on in the fight, he just covers them with flames and attacks Zoro with his two flaming wing swords?

[bitter kraken]

That just made me think that the fire that king has on his back or back of neck is his Achilles heel, zoro is gonna cut it and it’s gonna cause king to collapse if not he’ll be severely weakened to the point where zoro can easily finish him. That’s why zoro said he needed to know what he was, and why zoro was interested in Kins ability to cut fire 🔥

[spice patrol]

He is the fire on his back, the bird is just a costume

[sudden timber]

Anyone else get the feeling that Enma may end up being with Hiyori after all? And Zoro takes back Shusui?

[amber oar]

The problem with that is the way Zoro, Enma and black blades have been discussed. It's heavily implied that Enma is bound to become a black blade, and it's also heavily implied Zoro is bound to convert a sword into a black blade. So, 1) The most likely scenario is Zoro turning Enma into a black blade, 2) Giving back Zoro a sword that was already a black blade is counterintuitive to the notion that Zoro must aim to make his own.

[sudden timber]

That is true. If anything, I would’ve thought he will make Wado Ichimonji a permanent black blade. Since it seems Enma has a mind of its own, and Shusui remains where it is because many of Wano’s denizen still are in denial that Ryuma willingly gave the blade away, I at least thought he would have gotten it back. As long as they don’t do any of the blades dirty as they did to Yubashiri, I’m cool with that.

[pure raven]

Awesome theory

[icy heath]

Thanks!

[crude abyss]

Idk, if this is as much of a theory, as it is a prediction, but I believe that luffy's new bounty will be revealed in chapter 1057. Oda recently has been having 100 chapter parallels in the wano arc (1031 and 931 raid suit), (1032 and 932 Komurasaki). And so what would be better than having luffy (the pirate king/fifth yonko), have his bounty revealed 100 chapters after the old yonko and pirate king bounties were revealed?

[white rose]

im sold, i think we know the 3 ancient weapons now, 1 shirahoshi commads sea kings, 2 pluton water 7 giant battleship , and 3 uranus is momo, commands giant land beasts

momo is pulling a shirahoshi and stopping onigashima from falling on the capital with his giant pig friends and other giant animals

[sudden timber]

I know there hasn’t been much information reveal for us to pinpoint even a theory, but I’ll ask anyway. Any discussions on where the 4th Road Poneglyph may be? I know that it was located in Fish Man island but is now considered lost. Possibly, since public knowledge of the Road Poneglyph let alone poneglyphs themselves are scarce, it is still located near Fish Man Island?

Unless Sea Kings are carrying it underneath the ocean just like Zou is carrying one above.

[glossy owl]

Minks on Zou will worship Enel. Enel comes down to Zou. Enel is from the moon and has lightning powers. Minks have relationship with moon and have electricity powers. Enel will have a mink army

[gray creek]

General consensus is that someone intentionally moved it. Shanks and BB being the obvious candidates since they both would know it’s location, significance, and we have to confront them in the story anyways. Of the two, Shanks feels more likely. He would have had time to act after Marineford, and it fits his M.O.

[pure raven]

One piece red

Yo hohohohoh

[muted ember]

I think Whitebeard moved it to Sphinx. That would be a good reason for Marco to be in Wano now

[sand sail]

Well, we can kinda piece together why Marco would be in Wano now, if it were at Sphinx you'd think he would stay and protect it even more

But also, Whitebeard had no interest in One Piece, it'd be strange if he took it upon himself to move things

At least, for that reason and not because it would protect Fishman Island further anyway

[muted ember]

He was going to stay at first and he asked Neko to give Luffy a message, we still don't know what it was if I'm not mistaken

And WB may not have had a personal interest in the OP but he was going to make Ace pirate King

[sand sail]

You're mistaken, we see what the note says once he gets to Wano. He just tells them he's coming, but he'll be there late

And we see a bit of why he had that motivation, it was the Ace backstory from Wano that connected him to it. That, on top of Luffy and Whitebeard's last orders to protect him at all costs

[muted ember]

Oh well

[swift panther]

Film red gonna be canonical

[abstract pond]

And looks like holding the pipe over the shoulder

[tired osprey]

no

but I hope it fits in nicely after Wano

[mellow sapphire]

I doubt it will be canon tbh

maybe a whiff of canon info for Shanks if we're lucky

if we're lucky, I have many doubts

[pure raven]

Way too long

Sanji and zoro fight should end by chapter 1038 and law kid bm 1041 and luffy kaido by 1045

[sinful helm]

i hope zoro sanji fights end in next 3-4 chapters

[pure raven]

Film red could be canon because The release date is August 6 2022 and oda has said he doesn't likes revealing character info in movies so I think that by the time the movie releases we will already see shanks in the manga

Otherwise oda wouldn't have agreed

Although it could easily be non canon because apparently we are getting a really strong female character in the movie and As far as we know from her Character silhouette she doesn't exist in the canon timeline

[nocturne otter]

I wonder if Film Red is gonna be about that leaked possibility of Blackbeard and Shanks fighting

[pure raven]

Idk how BB would fit

To me it seems that The girl we see Is the main villain (Assuming she is)

[nocturne otter]

Fair enough, though it’d be quite cool to see finally see Shanks fighting

[pure raven]

Ye

Lmao run before you are muted

[pure raven]

Anyways I wonder if This girl is related to shanks

[weak arrow]

@wintry lake No conversations allowed about momo and relationships.

[rapid fern]

So um, after Wano, Yamato has nowhere to go, she will come with Strawhats.

Where would Law go then? I mean, Law was done with Doffy, done with Kaido, done with the alliance. He’ll become one of Strawhats fleet?

[pure raven]

No

Law said he wants to discover about the void century so I assume That he will stay as luffy's rival and We will have a race to reach laugh tale between kidd, luffy and Law. As for Yamato she can stay with momo as wanos guardian but I think she will follow her dream and sail out with the SH'S

[weak arrow]

Law is definitely not gonna have a race to laughtale. He needs Robin anyway to even decipher poneglyphs. He may split looking for a poneglyph and then meet-up again at lode star or something

[pure raven]

Well that's a point

But I still don't expect Him to join the SH grand fleet

He will stay as kind of like a friendly rival

[rapid fern]

Having a race to laugh Tale is a joke. It’s like lvl 1 dude tryna speedrun boss with a lvl 100

Why? I mean Luffy has like 3 red Poneglygh by now. He’s already ahead of people

[swift panther]

Technically law can access them too

Imagine law's betrayal

[rapid fern]

What can he even do? 😂😂, when all his plans failed with Luffy involved.

[rugged cove]

how is he supposed to read them?

[swift panther]

Point

He kidnaps robin?

[rugged cove]

hell nah

robin should start a school or ssmthng after luffy becomes pk and take lessons on reading ancient language and all

[swift panther]

That's a Hella good theory ngl

Unless she gets swallowed by a deep sea fish

[rugged cove]

hmmm

[pure raven]

Jinbei nooo!

[swift panther]

[sinful helm]

i mean i can see Robin after the straw hats starting a college on Ohara

[velvet jetty]

Underwater College ?

[sinful helm]

ohara is just bombed its not whole island underwater

no one except wb so far has shown power too destroy a whole island

[wintry lake]

I believe from wano, and now on there will be fights involving pirate alliances, I mean, Blackbeard has 6-10 fleets, there are 4 admirals to defeat, imu has a whole crew based, we might look at the pirate alliance era after wano

[sinful helm]

Luffy + Marine Sword + revolutionaries+ Assorted allies

vs the world

[bitter condor]

Theory: Blackbeard will be known as the king of the pirates when Wano is finished, after he beat Shanks at Elbaf, being his new base of operations. Strawhats goes to Elbaf, beats Blackbeard and goes to Raftel. The war begins and Blackbeard returns - the only villain Luffy couldn't convince to join him - meaning the Strawhat fleet will fight Marines + Blackbeard + Misc. Pirate crews

Mostly just Blackbeard being the pirate king once wano is over

[pure raven]

black beard will just use gecko moria for the shadow of Xebec then then he will maybe become the king then luffy will come and beat him :)

[bitter condor]

Sure, why not. We don't really know where the Xebec thing is going atm

Also, i'm pretty sure Blackbeard has been looking for specific devil fruits to circumvent the normal method of finding Raftel. And that his original goal with gathering devil fruits, was to beat Kaido with an army of devil fruits vs his defect smile-fruit versions

[pure raven]

yep

[grim stone]

Law is more focused on learning

1. The meaning behind D and its history
2. Then the world's history.

[pure raven]

Hmmm I am pretty sure that we will learn about the will of D along with void century so the both are the 2 sides of the same coin

[sinful helm]

i mean i can see people loyal too IMU vs people loyal too Luffy as the end fight

both pirates and marines and kings can be on both groups

[swift panther]

Why sword

[sinful helm]

drake+coby + possibly (fujitora,garp,aokiji)

@swift panther they are people with similar justice too luffy

[swift panther]

Don't think garp will ever work with luffy

[sinful helm]

its not that he will work with him its that they will have same goals too depose IMU

[swift panther]

Shanks will definitely not get beaten off screen. If he does, oda gets beat 😂😂

I still stick to belief that Coby will be Luffy's rival

Maybe after helping Luffy?

I guess you maybe right majere

[sinful helm]

we will see thats what i hope for a final fight that will destroy the grand line and the wg as a institution

[kind marsh]

Hmm

[dusty knoll]

Who do you think created sword

[split glacier]

Your avatar

[dusty knoll]

Nah I think it's garp

[split glacier]

That requires him to care

[visual merlin]

sengoku

[wintry lake]

Sengoku could team up with garp to stand against the celestial dragon plot to rule the whole world, I believe marines will take over Wano at the end of wano arc

[visual merlin]

will the strawhats have to save wano again?

[split glacier]

Personally, Sword plays little to no interest for me lol. I don't care who runs it, who is in it or their purpose. I know it's a "recent" thing so not a lot of info. I've seen Aegis/Sword opposite theories but it's just kinda meh rn

[wintry lake]

Shanks will die at the end of one piece

[split glacier]

Probably before

[dusty knoll]

The revs will take over wano

[split glacier]

Psssssh. Dragon doesn't care about anything at this rate lol

[rotund shard]

Did you guys watch the “How awakening spoiled the secret behind devil fruits” video by ohara?

[muted ember]

Yea i liked it

[mortal field]

Yea the theory seems mad solid

[split glacier]

One Piece is all about inherited this and inherited that so not far fetched.

[hollow patrol]

It gave me a different view on devil fruits and inherited will, the theory seems pretty plausible

[bitter condor]

He'll probably be knocked down a peg or two, but Shanks' experience will tell him that he needs Luffy and others to defeat Blackbeard. So that we'll finally see Shanks in actual action in the prologue to the war

[winter heron]

I still think big mom pirates will take out marines approaching wano

[heady parrot]

oh shit an ohara theory that isn’t getting clowned on? i should check it out.

!denieslobby

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[mortal field]

Now that im thinking back to it there is a few holes in the theory, but nothing that makes it look like its bs

[covert hazel]

How about the archer message?

[mortal field]

When he used Sabo as an example, tbh i feel like you cant go far with using him as a credible example. We barely knew what Sabo was like as an adult besides him as a teen and he still acts the same. The line he use “Ace wont forgive you” seems a bit out there, Sabo could be saying it as “i dont care, but to avenge Ace i’ll do it”

[covert hazel]

Or if its a different theory

[mortal field]

Different theory, the one Ohara made

[mortal field]

As for this, i believe it. Goda told me during my dream

Another example he used is Bartolo and Mr.2. Those just didnt make sense tbh. If Bartolo is meant to inherit the will of the Orochi’s protection then he wouldnt care about Luffy. Bartolo is just a giant ass fanboy. As for Mr.2, again he would join back with Crocodile to protect him or go to Wano. No reason for him to stay in Level 5.5 in Impel Down as the new Kamaka queen

The only one that made sense is BM, but even then we dont know much about BM as a child to see if her view changed when she ate the df

[covert hazel]

What is the theory about?

[mortal field]

Luffy is the only one i can see, but even then its not like he didnt plan on becoming a pirate after the df, he even stressed ate the gum gum after being told he cant join

[covert hazel]

Barto and Mr. 2 protect Luffy? Luffy orochi parallels??

[mortal field]

https://youtu.be/2qMBMslEAxw

To tl;dr it for the summary. Df are living beings and they pass the will of the previous user to another user after they eat it

[covert hazel]

Eh that's pretty sucky imo

[robust sierra]

that sounds more like what the will of D is related to

[mortal field]

I mean idk if that could he case, then Law would be trying to do the same as Luffy

Or Ace, but they had different goals in mind.

[robust sierra]

by that I meant that the people with the will of D are working toward some ideal that opposes the WG

seemingly anyways

[mortal field]

Oh yea thats for sure

[pearl wagon]

No way roger had the gomu gomu no mi. Why would he just randomly eat a devil fruit at laftel when he most probably had many other chances to? And there's basically no way he had it before, since buggy,garp, nor rayleigh said anything like "OH MY GOD... YOU HAVE HIS DEVIL FRUIT"

[real swan]

I'm conflicted because I like the fact that Luffy's decisions have all been his own and it sucks to think he is driven by the wills of others through his devil fruit, but at the same time there is a lot of evidence to suggest DF's do have wills or impose themselves on the user's Lineage Factor, simply because of how items work with a devil fruit.

[real swan]

To be fair the video suggested that he ate it in private right before he died in order to make sure his will passed onto the next gomu gomu.

[amber oar]

Now that's a massive stretch. Pun absolutely intended

[pearl wagon]

The personality luffy has of not thinking things through and just attacking could be seen in roger when he attacked oden

[real swan]

I agree just because there's been nothing to suggest they even had possession of it beforehand, and shanks had to steal it.

[pearl wagon]

Plus, if he ate it in private, why would the WG be after it? Joyboy having it is different, but there is just no way roger had it.

[real swan]

???

[pearl wagon]

Uhh, this chat is for people who are caught up, we already know all this lmao

[real swan]

My big thing is that this theory was used to explain inherited will too despite the fact that characters can willingly inherit the will of anyone they strongly care for, like Luffy and Ace.

[pearl wagon]

Why is this in manga theories? Put it in general or manga

[real swan]

So I agree that this theory is wack

But isn't completely impossible.

[pearl wagon]

All of oharas theries are extremely farfetched

[pure raven]

My theory is that just like Rodger luffy will find the one piece but then turn himself in later to coby so that he can be promoted to admiral like he always dreamed of

[real swan]

Honestly I think the opposite, the theories are cool but the explanations are where it gets weird.

[real swan]

Now that's just silly, the one thing he'd want is for Coby to earn his position.

[pure raven]

Shit

Didn’t think of that good point shit damn no argument to that lol

[pearl wagon]

The farfteched part is he finds the slightest details like the chapter im was introduced in, flips it. and comes to some odd conclusion that robin and im are similar

[pure raven]

I still do think coby is gonna catch luffy in the end

To become admiral

Also that man had the second biggest glow up in the series

[pearl wagon]

I just wish coby/smoker would play a better garp for luffy, while smoker has fought luffy multiple times, it has been extremly one sided each time, and colby hasn't even met luffy since water 7

Marco had a big glow up too

[pure raven]

Yeah but coby is the og and he’s getting a lot stronger under garp

[real swan]

But that's what I kinda mean, it would be much better of a read if the reasoning for why things can happen wasn't because of vague details loosely linked together. But they get people thinking and that's why I like the theories.

[pure raven]

Not as big as Coby

Coby went from ok sir I’ll have her home by 9 too your not the only one she calls daddy in under 6 months

[pearl wagon]

Lmao

[real swan]

Unless we see some major feats from Coby I think he has no shot atm. Even the idea of him fighting Hancock is funny.

[pure raven]

Still the progress he’s made in the amount of time

Still really good from the little virgin bitch boy he was at the start

[real swan]

He's definitely got Luffy's speed of progress, but needs to be forced into bigger battles more often like Luffy has

[pure raven]

we don’t know what he’s been through

[real swan]

Well, we do know what he's doing currently

Taking down warlords

[pure raven]

Just like the other pirates on the grandline yk how in sabody they explain that each crew went up a different way

He could have been fighting in some intense battle especially cuz he’s under garp

I predict that luffy is gonna imbue his dick in haki and use it as a whip/lasso to beat kaido

[pearl wagon]

Huh? Have i missed something? When did they say that?

[real swan]

I'm just assuming since the last we saw him was on his way to Hancock.

[pearl wagon]

Ah ok

[copper palm]

Quite Honestly i think Coby has had a bigger Develpment than Luffy in the story up until maybe Dressrosa

[pearl wagon]

Wano is already getting too long, last thing fans want is to extend it more. I think enel will appear at elbaf

[pure raven]

No Enel is on the moon

[tame tendon]

I think zoro will get ryou in the next chapter

[solar knoll]

Zou, Skypeia, Enies Lobby all kinda have quite a lot of similar architecture I wonder if there’s any links

[solar knoll]

Bro Zoro has Ryou all along

You mean Luffy Adv Haki?

[muted ember]

I wouldn't mind Wano being extended

[mellow sapphire]

Ryuo is kinda vaguely described

Because it's just what Wano people call Haki, but they practice the technique of advanced armament (projecting it outside of your body and using it to destroy things from the inside)

The thing with Haki is that aside from hardening, it's invisible

[high blaze]

What if the "D" in peoples names stands for devil. The D Clan could be the rulers of the Ancient Kingdom 900 years ago. With their advanced technology, they built a way to put their conscious or will into fruits. This power could have come in handy after the newly formed World Government decided to exterminate the Ancient Kingdom. With the deaths of many of the D clan, their wills/conscious were placed into the fruits, later becoming Devil Fruits after the D clan. They would grant a person an ability although would lose the power to swim as a result. and should that person die, the will of the person who inherited the fruit move along to another fruit until someone eats it again.

(i am aware that this thoery does have holes but it was a shot)

[rustic granite]

Well there are people in the Marines and there are people in the CP-0 with DFs
And these people serve the World Government sooo

Also there's a silhouette of a Woman in the One piece film Red trailer
I have a theory as to could the Woman be Luffy's mom?

[high blaze]

World Government not gonna spill secrets to anyone tho

they tryna keep it a secret, so people might have assumed where they come from but wont get any answers

[mortal field]

If thats the case he should have a trait of shandian but he doesnt

[hasty ocean]

Guys is true zoro have secret power in left eye ?

[shell surge]

really doubt it

[hasty ocean]

?

[errant oxide]

We don’t know but probably not

[rustic granite]

Yeah he has the Sharingan

[nimble thistle]

Major feats like tripling in height in under a year, and going from nobody to Garp's trainee? xD

I theorize that Zoro has one of those yellow swordsman's eyes in his left eye. Kind of signaling some kind of halfway-there-mark for him.

[thick sky]

Yellow swordaman eye? The eye that Mihawk had?

[nimble thistle]

Not sure what it's called as far as eyes go, but yeah.

[thick sky]

It's just the eye design

[nimble thistle]

Mihawk's not the only one to have that kind of eye though.

[thick sky]

Well many people have similar eyes

[mortal field]

That eye design means 2 things

1. Youre just a regular person (Im, Mihawk)
2. Distress or anger (Shanks, Luffy)

[steel venture]

Ok so, I came across this very interesting devil fruit awakening theory. In recent chapters we got to know about law’s and Kid’s devil fruit awakening right. Notice how different the paramecia awakenings are. We see Doffy n Katakuri can turn their surroundings into strings n mochi but when it comes to law n kid they can only manipulate a certain space or they create their respective rooms where they can manipulate their surroundings. Most of the worst generation pirates have some or other devil fruits n their awakening can be fearsome but the most underrated n underestimated one is Bonney’s devil fruit. Yes u heard me right. From what we know she can change her age at her wish. Basically in a way she can change time. Imagine her awakening can bring any pirate to his/her prime form

[muted ember]

Hakuba had Mihawks eyes when he was fighting with Cavendish it could signify a curse

[mortal field]

Yea thats a popular theory, most think that if it effect the individual (lets use Jozu as an example) then they can transform their area to that thing and vice versa (Jozu then make things into diamond, and crash the stock market)

[muted ember]

Zunesha was cursed to walk the earth for eternity he has the same eyes

[mortal field]

Could be, hell if i know

[tacit veldt]

With all 4 paramisha awakenings the rules seem to be similar: you can apply your ability to things and people around you. Law's awakening Is quite confusing, but the principle seems similar: while the Room normally is an X meters circle originating from him as the center, Kroom generates a room with a center of his choosing.
Based on just what is written in the manga so far, one could speculate that those weird Paramishas that affect other people might be already awakened. I'm talking Bonney's fruit, with her being able to change her own age as the base power and changing other people as her awakening. Similar thing goes for Shinobu's fruit, and especially Sugar's, which Is so unbelievably broken in what It does that it's hard to imagine that it's not already awakened.

Like, imagine Macvise or Miss Valentine awakening their fruit. Wouldnt It have pretty much the same effect as Issho's fruit, only more limited in scope?

[pure raven]

Discord isn't working for me

[abstract pond]

Bonney for me is one of the most mysterious characters

Like how old she really is? She could even be from void century with that devil fruit you can live forever.

[steel venture]

Everything is so mysterious abt her. Like how in the world did she escape from the navy???? Wtf was she doin in Marijois after she escaped?? Does she have any special connection with the world government??

[abstract pond]

Is she a revolutionary? She looked hurt with how the Kuma situation

[nimble thistle]

Bonney also seemed to take WB's death differently among the novas.

[pure raven]

It has been a wile now wano seems pretty close to it's end , battles are half way through end but king vs zoro seems to be one sided but table will turn soon . The way king vs zoro is going reminds of luffy vs katakuri
NOW ABOUT THEORY REGARDING KING ITS BEEN A WHILE SINCE KING ENTERED BATTLE HE DIDN'T SHOW HIS ACE BUT HE HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR A WHILE FIRSTLY AGAINST MARCO AND NOW AGAINST ZORO BUT HE SEEMS THAT HE HAS TAKEN MINIMUM DAMAGE COMPARED TO QUEEN AND JACK, WHEN MARCO WAS FIGHTING AGAINST QUEEN AND KING WE SAW QUEEN TAKING SOME DAMAGE AND ALSO SAW HIM BLEADING BUT KING DIDN'T AND NOW IT IS SAME WITH ZORO not a SINGLE SCRCTH HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE,"" BUT WHAT IF HE CAN HEAL HIMSELF SIMILARLY LIKE MARCO DID"",YEAH IT IS REDUCLOUS BUT NOT MORE THAN WHAT ODA SHOWED US
HEAR ME OUT ------—-------
KING IS LUNARIN WHO ARE KNOWN AS FIRE CONJURE 🔥 WHICH MEANS THEY CAN COTROL FIRE WITH THEIR FREE WILL, WHICH MEANS KING CAN USE
ABLITY OF AKAINU MAGMA FRUIT AND SABO's FLAME DEVIL FRUIT AND MARCO's PHOENIX FLAME TO HEAL HIMSELF SINSE PHOENIX IS A FIRE TYPE CREATURE
WHICH HEAL BY USING PROPRTY OF SPECIFIC FIRE

WE ALSO SAW KING USING DIFFERENT COLORED FLAME IN ODEN's FLASHBACK(DIFFERENT COLORED FLAME HAVE DIFFERENT HEAT)SO THEIR IS A HIGH CHANCE, and the way oda depicted kings and queens devil fruit which is not so true about dinosaur operate so why not it is a possibility.

their are other factors for his durability like him being anciant zone type or his deeper understanding of haki ect,ect.

[hollow grotto]

I don't think Zoro isn't doing any damage to him. I'd like to believe it's quite the opposite actually. I'd like to believe the reason that King doesn't bleed goes beyond the durability of an Ancient Zoan, and is actually because he is cauterizing his wounds to stop the bleeding entirely. It adds another skill that helps very effectively in combat beyond just being durable as an Ancient Zoan and aligns with the quote he made in this scene below.

It's even highlighted that the wings keep burning on his back, which seem to be due to his lunarian genes, but could also be linked to how he cauterizes said wounds in the first place. The point that he's not bleeding is important here because if he is cauterizing his wounds, he serves as a perfect foe to somebody like Zoro who relies on slices and cuts to overcome his enemies.

[tacit veldt]

He seems to be bleeding here, so he does have blood. Him cauterizing istantly his wounds seems really plausible

[hollow grotto]

Yep, King just got cut open, which if he was to continue bleeding we would see, especially this deep into his fight with Zoro, but we don't. Cauterizing his wounds to stop the bleeding therefore makes him an even stronger, and unfair foe, for Zoro to defeat. It seems that fire-cutting technique will come useful.

@main sigil I remember mentioning this to you, just wanted to give you my evidence on the idea based on what little I've got

[night jewel]

yup i love this idea, besides the example above, we also see him bleed from his mouth against marco, so it is not like he can't bleed

[hollow grotto]

cauterizes his mouth

[night jewel]

Him cauterizing his wounds before Zoro can notice makes perfect sense

yeah lol

[hollow grotto]

It's probably something like this: He blocks the impact with his wings, which softens the impact on his own body and cauterizes the wounds using fire on his wings to make it look and appear as if he hasn't been hurt.

It's interesting because it's sort of similar to Marco, but instead of the healing properties he's making a practical adjustment to save his strength

[night jewel]

yeah that would make sense

[amber oar]

Wonder if Zoro can "cut" his fire.

[hollow grotto]

yeah, I mean, if he can cut Prometheus then I'm positive he can cut King's fire, but hey, you never know

[amber oar]

Probably the key to actually hurt King is that, cutting through the fire and reach his skin

[hollow grotto]

I'm excited to see how it's resolved and whether Oda has another method of beating King, assuming it stays a 1v1

[mortal field]

I come here with the most obvious theory ever

We been knew how zoan awakened dfs look and how they act, with the introduction of Chopper

Ight beat with me as i live google proof and shit

So lets start off with the simple to understand and not understand, the Diasters awakened dfs (excluding Jack)

Each time we have seen their power, they seem to have full control of their body. (Queen being able to only use his spine to move around in a ‘snake’ form. King being able to stretch his head back to ‘shoot’ Zoro)

However, they always end it with a joke like “this is how pteradons hunt!” Or something like that

[nimble thistle]

Chopper's not stated to be awakened, is it? As far as I am aware, he was interrupting his transformations at certain 'points' and creating new variations of his DF transformations.

[queen arrow]

i see where this is going

[mortal field]

With that info, lets move over to Impel Down. The guards there are confirmed to be awaken (fuck you im not getting that manga panel) and they dont seem to act or look different than your regular degular zoan user

[mortal field]

However, thats may be due to them ‘choosing’ to look this way rather than use their bodies in some funky fashion.

[queen arrow]

i'm going to stop you right there

i think you're overstimating the joke, the weird things King and Queen did with their zoans is not awakening

Sasaki does the same kind of joke with his fruit, and even all the way back to Enies Lobby we have Kaku who had just gotten his fruit doing this kind of stuff

[mortal field]

Keep in mind, back in Enies Lobby, Kaku used his body to form a box shape to do this move (this happens in the anime/manga im too lazy to find it)

[queen arrow]

Kaku did a lot of shit

[mortal field]

Ik i just didnt feel like typing in all that

But Chopper then explains to us back in Drum Island what his rumble ball does

In a sense, Chopper’s drug put Choppers body in an awakened state, allowing him to boost any point of his body to his choosing

[queen arrow]

it's unlikely this is related to awakening at all

[mortal field]

I believe that in the midst of the 2 years, Chopper awakened his df, being able to use the points without much limitations. I say much due to how Chopper needs RB to get Monster point

[queen arrow]

that's not what zoan awakening does

[mortal field]

This also ties in with the 3 ancient df users can do in Wano, being able to use their body to whatever benefits they need

[queen arrow]

that's not awakening

[mortal field]

Damn dawg, you spent the past 5 minutes not debunking anything but just saying “thats not true. Thats not how that works” so clearly you must know. Oh tell us Sir.Vice Admiral Matehiqu, what is YOUR theory on how zoan df awakening works

[queen arrow]

zoan awakenings increase the zoan users toughness and recovery speed

because that's literally what they tell us zoan awakenings do

i posted the panel above

[mortal field]

A logia users, is telling you what a zoan df users awakening can do, without understanding how it even works

[queen arrow]

Crocodile being a logia user doesn't mean he can't understand how other fruits work

he's an experienced pirate, and he's literally the guy who indentifies they're awakened

[mortal field]

And in that exact same picture, Crocodile says “their greatest strengths” meaning there is more too it. Thats like saying “a paramecia df is being able to use their df freely” that doesnt give much context about it

[queen arrow]

sure there could be more to it, but the more to it definitively isn't those weird things

because Kaku literally did them on his first day as a df user

[mortal field]

So rather than letting me type my theory, like most people would do with others. You took it upon yourself to come out the woodworks to say “thats wrong” without letting me finish. Then you keep interrupting by typing rather than letting me finish

[queen arrow]

and we know awakening is a very advanced thing

[sand sail]

When you're posting a theory here, you should expect engagement and rebuttal. What you're posting is nothing new, but it also just isn't very likely to be the case.

If your theory is based on easily contestable evidence, you should expect it to be contested. Mate would do better citing actual reasons, though.

[mortal field]

Im not surprise my theory is going to be rebuttal, but mans went “i see where this is going” went a different angle and then kept trying to deny with any other evidence

[sand sail]

But the angle you're coming from doesn't work as any kind of awakening ability. You cited it tying into King, Queen and Sasaki being able to do their weird things, but we know that's not anything to do with awakening

[mortal field]

That is true ig, i can see it not being their awakenings. But its a theory so eh

The theory part being me, not with what you posted

[queen arrow]

in summary, the only confirmed awakened zoan users never do things like this, and aren't said to be able to do things like this, while the zoan users that do this are never mentioned to be awakened and one of them is a brand new user, so it's unlikely that those weird transformations are related to awakening

[velvet moon]

Wait are hiyori and the girl from the most recent chapter the same?

I lowkey forgot, they look so similar

[queen arrow]

Hiyori is Komurasaki yes

that was kinda of a big plot point

[sinful helm]

some yt-ber said its her mother

[cyan berry]

youtubers are very commonly wrong

especially one piece youtubers

[hollow grotto]

I only ever remember one theory being right, made by a OP YouTuber

[muted ember]

Kanjuro being the traitor was a yt theory

[hollow grotto]

that's the one

[muted ember]

Sword vs CP0 was a Randy Troy theory

[steel venture]

the only zoan awakenings we've seen till now are the impel down jailer beasts. We have no idea how their abilities were before the awakening

What we know for now if their awakening does not affect their surroundings or environment. Its like they have a superior stats compared to the normal zoans

[sinful helm]

those were forced awakenings from what i remember no?

like not concious ones but forced by something someone did too them

[steel venture]

exactlyyyyy. awakening occurs when one has completely mastered his devil fruit abilities

moreover the zoans in impel down are the weakest type

they r not carnivores , ancient nor mythical

just mere herbivores

[sand sail]

Carnivores are the most ferocious, not the strongest

They're not ancient or mythical, they're undoubtedly physically stronger than most other zoans. It's a bull and a rhino, for example.

[steel venture]

what I am trying to say is carnivores, ancient and mythical zoans have more advantage when it comes down to a fight

[sinful helm]

elephants/bulls/rhinos are stronger then most carnivores

[sand sail]

Yeh, ancient and mythical do. Carnivores just may have teeth and claws, something that isn't all that great when you're up against a rhino or a triceratops

^

They've also just generally physically going to be stronger

[odd lichen]

next chapter please no hiyori X orochi Oda. it will be so boring

[sinful helm]

toki vs orochi then

[steel venture]

I am not saying that they are weak. U r right bro there r few herbivores which can be wild aff but what I am tryna explain is the over all environment of herbivore n carnivore. u can say all carnivores r ferocious when it comes down to a fight but u cant say the same for herbvores

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's what I'm saying. They're not weaker zoans, they're just regular zoans.

[sinful helm]

https://tenor.com/view/chase-by-an-elephant-elephant-jungle-baby-elephant-scary-gif-14015652

i mean imagine this chasing you

[steel venture]

moreover the text say that the awakened zoan users are yet to show signs of a complex thought. Ability to just attack blndly without any sense of thought is what makes the impel down jailer beasts weak

this may also be a side effect of forced awakening

[sinful helm]

those are not natural ones thats why

[steel venture]

man lol

maaaaan if any logia user awakens his DF then thats gonna be overpowered

[muted ember]

I do feel like a few of the beast Pirates should be awakened tho

And Marco

Could the jailer beasts differentiate between allies and enemies? I don't remember

[steel venture]

idkk man jailer beasts r some messed up creatures

[muted ember]

I feel like it's wack if we don't get to see the full potential of zoan awakening in a zoan centric arc

[stoic girder]

Why though. The jailer beast seemed messed up and experimented on and the only other people we've seen awakened are really experienced people. I don't see any of the tobiroppo being awakened or jack. Maybe king and Kaido, but that's it.

[prime flicker]

What if king is awakened that is why he has his pterodactyl wings in human form?

[muted ember]

He has feathers in human form they not dinosaur wings

[grizzled fog]

he doesn't those wings are different, they're from his race

[prime flicker]

Ah

[steel venture]

nah man his race itself is a mystery

[muted ember]

I think it's related to how long and how extensively u use your devil fruit. King, Queen, and Kaido been training their fruits for 20+ years

At least that's my theory

[steel venture]

I have come across this theory where the devil which resides in the fruit has a will of its own

[prime flicker]

What about kid he is like 20 years old

[prime flicker]

Bankai?

[steel venture]

lmaooo

[muted ember]

Kid is 23 but we don't know when he got his fruit

[prime flicker]

That seems like a lot of work though having hundreds of devil fruits users with devil fruits with their own personality

[muted ember]

Law had his fruit 13 years and he's awakened, Luffy's had his for 12 and as far as we know he's not yet

[steel venture]

do u guys remeber big mom's childhood

[prime flicker]

Law is awakened?

[muted ember]

Yes in the same chapter as Kid

So if Kid got his fruit at 10 the theory still valid we just don't know

[steel venture]

she was very caring and kind person but after consuming mother caramel's fruit she kind of tokk her personality or should i say the devil's personality.

[prime flicker]

Didn't know that was his awakening

[muted ember]

Every other awakened user presumably had their fruits way longer

[steel venture]

Mother caramel used the kids from the orphanage for her personal monetary gains

where as big mom uses her own children as an army for her crew

[proud tree]

Luffy used conquerors haki on animals in every arc in the new world? He used it on sea beasts on fishmen island...

but did he use it on animals in Punk Hazard, Zou or Dressrosa?

[steel venture]

he did use conq haki on that bull in colosseum

[muted ember]

I don't remember him using it in Zou

[proud tree]

yeah he only used voice of all things and listened to Zunisha

but this is more a form of observation haki, not conq

[muted ember]

Punk Hazard I think the only animal was the dragon and Zoro killed it

No actually there was a smaller dragon but I don't remember what happened to it lol

[proud tree]

Kinemon kicked it, because he was still angry on Kaido

[gentle lily]

Guys, how old was law when he ate the Ope Ope no mi? Was it before or after luffy ate his fruit

[robust sierra]

he was I think... 13?

yeah 13

[muted ember]

It was before Luffy had his for 12 and Law 13

[tacit veldt]

I think they used it as a ride at some point

[grizzled fog]

Luffy got his much younger than 12

[muted ember]

I meant he had it for 12 years

And Law for 13

[ripe geyser]

VOAT is different from CoC and observation

Only D’s, Kozukis and 3 eye tribe have been shown to be able to hear it

[muted ember]

Pudding has the voice of all things?

[ripe geyser]

Not yet

Pudding herself is currently unable to hear it

[muted ember]

Does it actually say her power is the voice of all things?

Also Noland had it

[desert hatch]

it said some members of her clan were known to awaken it but shes a halfblood so they dont know

[ripe geyser]

Do you remember when big mom was talking about the 3 eye awakening and how it can help lead to poneglyphs?

[desert hatch]

voice of all things cant translate it tho so they still need robin

[muted ember]

Yea I just don't remember it saying voice of all things

[desert hatch]

i dont think noland could use it

[ripe geyser]

Noland isn’t a known VOAT user

[muted ember]

So was it just observation?

[ripe geyser]

Anyone think we’ll find out who Pudding and Katakuri’s fathers are?

[desert hatch]

dont think its relevant to the story, maybe tho

[ripe geyser]

Pudding being a half-blood and having the blood of a race that can awaken and use VOAT sounds pretty important to me

Her father must be a pure 3-eye

[desert hatch]

might be some three eyes but i dont think who theyre dad is is super important

[ripe geyser]

Ig yeah

[desert hatch]

i hope ace (rogers sword) is at laugh tale, or at least makes another appearence

[dusty galleon]

Father? Why not mother?
Edit - Wait nvm, me dum dum

[tardy pumice]

Probably in a data book or some other material outside of the manga.

[pure raven]

What are the odds that when enma sucks your haki up, it stores it and can be released later into a big time attack

Also i think zoro and king will crash into hiyori and orochi; and denjiro will show up with the assist. Denjiro "killed hiyori" to protect orochi before. Time to pay that back. Also denjiro and zoro clashing in the past then fighting together to protect hiyori would be cute and an oda thing to do

[wooden silo]

is enma transforming or just absorbing zoro's haki

[solar knoll]

Seems like Zoro doesn’t have full control over Enma yet.

I think Zoro will get into the state where his Medicine wares off and he get into another level of pain. Probably will activate breath of all things.

According to his master the pinnacle of swordsmanship is the ability to protect what he wishes and cut what one wishes

[steel venture]

honestly i dont think anyone's gonna come to save hiyori. She must be having a trump card under her sleeve or smtg. I mean u woudnt walk in middle of a war to be saved by someone right. Most prolly Hiyori will reveal that she is oden's daughter n has come for revenge along with her brother n akazaya. But the question which arises here is why did she decide to show up now????? Onigashima as been in the sky for a while now n Im pretty sure she didnt just come out of nowhere. If she was in Onigashima right from the start, how tf did she even get there?? Did she sneak in one of the ships ??? Or does she actually have some sort of power?? Was Hiyori also preparing for this war??

[austere silo]

i think except hiyori and the green fish were not time travelled by toki so i think toki might have already prepared hiyori and said these things to do by hiyori. so toki must have seen the future and prepared hiyori

[steel venture]

Toki just knew that a great war will occur in the future which will disturb the seas. She didn't see the future man. The drawback of her devil fruit is once u go to the future u cannot come back. N moreover Toki died the same day as oden did, so ur saying that she prepared Hiyori for the war which would shake the entire world in just few hours. All we saw in the flashback was momo n Hiyori having a good time playing around. Even though oden had many issues going on with him he was always cheerful na made sure his kids r not burdened by it.

Hiyori might have harnessed some skills in these 20 years

like her shamisen is sus afffffff

[austere silo]

Yeah

[solar knoll]

Or Enma has some will of it’s own to protect Hiyori. Just strangely weird for the past title to be named odens Beloved sword and it coincidentally acting up when hearing The shamisen

[steel venture]

yeah exactly her shamisen is sus

[austere silo]

yeah that makes sense so it may mean because zoro is losing now zoro will follow the will of enma and run away like zoro did and may go to hiyori king will follow him and reach hiyori and orochi and zoro will learn the race of king from hiyori and sometimes get some power up and defeat king

i mean like sanji did with queen

[lyric gull]

I doubt enma will be the sword to kill orochi, it has to be ame no habikiri

Also with hiyori playing the shamisen being why enma is acting up just raises even more questions, an easy explanation would be since it happened right after zoro started to doubt himself thats why, enma is taking advantage of zoro’s weak mindset atm, since in order to use enma you need strong will in the first place

[austere silo]

because both the will of sanji and zoro to fight and win was lost for a moment

[lyric gull]

Yea like when was the last time zoro doubted himself like this?

Its a big deal for it to happen

The shamisen music was just a miss direction, aka coincidence

Cuz if it is hiyori making enma act up then is it only when she plays a shamisen? Or any instrument? Or does she have to play an instrument at all? Also would it also happen if it was momo? He’s also oden’s kid

[zinc meteor]

ch 923: luffy attacked a huge dragon
ch 1023: luffy teamed up with a huge dragon

ch 931: sanji first used his raid suit
ch 1031: sanji destroyed his raid suit

ch 932: komurasaki and orochi together
ch 1032: the two meet again

933: komurasaki faked her death
1033: Orochi can no longer fake his death and die?

[lyric gull]

Interesting

Either way he should have one life left so yea assumingly

[torpid dagger]

in mythologie it is said that yamata no orochi died after drinking eight tubs of stong sake, and sliced eight times each time for a tail. It is probably what komurasaki will do after making him drunk, but she should kill him numerous times.

[heady parrot]

Tekking brought up a great point in his recent video that Hiyori’s (or toki) presence with the shamisen and her playing it could also symbolize the closing of act 3 considering every act has began and ended with her (or toki) playing the shamisen. It would also very neatly fit in with the common theory that act 3 would end at 75 chapters long, the next multiple of 15 (act 1 being 15 chapters and act 2 being 30).

Either her or Denjiro will kill Orochi in chapter 1033 and Orochi (and possibly a few other more tragic characters) deaths will be the closer for act 3.

1034-1036 will be the interlude
1037-1051 will be act 4 and 1052-1055 will be the final interlude/post-wano. the next arc will start on 1056.

[lyric gull]

Act 3 ending now would be so random

[agile tangle]

what is breath of all things

[sinful wedge]

I don't think there'll be an act break till at least all the fights are over

that is if there's going to be a break at all

[solar knoll]

When he couldn't cut Mr. 1 because he couldn't cut steel.
He got almost beaten to the point of life and death, thats when he started hearing the breath of all objects.
According to his master the at the pinnacle of swordmanship is the ability to cut whatever he wants and not cut whatever he doesnt want to.

This is when he could cut Mr.1

So i am guessing in order to cut King, he will probably need to face another life and death state. Probably his Mink's medicine would run out and he will feel double the damage done from kaido and big mom before.

[low swallow]

This chapter supports my "theory" that forging a black blade is achieved by mastering/accepting the will of the blade. At the very least it confirms that swords can have their own will. Examples of this are Enma and the existence of cursed blades in general, and a claim that samurai pick up the swords of the fallen so they may be defeat their enemies along with their fallen comrades' spirits. A theme of this whole Zoro vs King fight has also been swordsmanship, what makes someone a swordsman. And combined with the entry of Hiyori into a battlefield and Enma acting up, Zoro will have to confront this and accept/master the will of the blade.

This will theory also fits better than CoC/Haki for Blackening blades as people like Roger, Shanks had really good haki, but not black blades, most likely because we have been shown that they are selfish and march to the beat of their drum, therefore they would not have accepted the will of the blade. As opposed to Mihawk who shows utmost respect for his blade as well comments like "This blade will not hold back", with him speaking from in place of the blade at times. And while these could just be like Kiku's "Sessha" where seh says "This one will", there could also be a more literal aspect to the blade's will.

Lastly, in accordance with this theory, this might mean that Wado Ichimonji will blacken during or after the duel with Mihawk as that is the sword containing Zoro and Kuina's will for greatest swordsman. Enma will probably blacken in this current Wano arc. However for (Sandai/Nidai depending on how the arc goes), we don't know too much about their history.

[abstract basalt]

my theory is luffy will be executed after he becomes pirate king

[agile tangle]

Ah okay

[sinful helm]

luffy will not get executed he may die from overusing his power or some sickness but not from being executed

[low swallow]

Tashigi's whole goal is to take important swords from people she considers bad. So far it's all been pirates, but she's beginning to realise that WG is 'bad'. Plus her arc has always comprised being strong enough to make a difference. Coupled with the fact that Gorosei don't have to be needlessly strong, I believe Tashigi beats Gandhi Gorosei and collects Shodai

[glass perch]

After a massive battle containing all of the allies Luffy gained along the way against the WG. The last arc will be focus solely on the straw hats vs Blackbeard pirates

Last arc won’t have a bunch of side characters and will focus just on the SH crew

[muted ember]

Blackbeard will be taken care of before the last arc

[solar knoll]

I think it’s more about becoming 1 with the sword. A part of Zoro’s will be binded into Enma. I think it also only affects Swords with souls of their own like Kitetsu and Enma. Hence, why haki users like Shanks, roger, Rayleigh and WB doesn’t have a black blade.

[steel venture]

I don’t think luffy’s gonna get executed . After he becomes the pirate king he’ll challenge the the whole world government to a war n try to overthrow them. In this process the revolutionary army will also be playing a major role. The fight for freedom n several rights of the people n more importantly uniting all races. He might die in the process of it but definitely not execution

[low swallow]

I would argue all sword have their own wills, based on Kawamatsu's statement

Plus in this case, Napoleon will be black

[solar knoll]

Yea well Napoleon is kind of a exception lol because it never turns black even when BM hit with it

[sinful helm]

I said he won't be executed lmao @steel venture i said he will most likely die from some sickness but Choper or law will save him

[solar knoll]

Definitely, but when Zoro picked up Even Shushui it didn’t have a reaction. Enma seems to completely have a soul

[solar knoll]

Actually I kind of contradicted myself nvm

[sinful helm]

Even that old cursed sword had will

[low swallow]

I see this though. The part about binding your will to the sword is very possible.

[pearl shale]

do any one think that shanks have devil fruit

[low swallow]

I would think not

[red temple]

No

[nimble thistle]

He does not have a DF.

[pearl shale]

what about armor armor fruit

[low swallow]

armor armor fruit model plot

Already taken

[pearl shale]

this will explain why shanks is not the best sword man

[half zealot]

no

[solar knoll]

I think there are a few different type of fighters

1. Haki Adv Conqueror
2. Buso Haki and Adv Buso Haki user
3. Devil Fruit Users
4. Martial Artist: Fishman, Okama Kenpo, CP0
5. Weapon Specialist: Snipers, Swordsman, Gunman
6. Cyborg, Technology: Franky, Kuma , Germa , Skypiea
7. Racial Powers: Giant, Ancient Giant , Fishman

and Shanks probably is somewhere with Adv Haki and Weapon
Mihawk probably with Buso + Weapon(but who knows maybe he has conq haki too)

[half zealot]

Mihawk crushing with shanks without conquerors?

[solar knoll]

I mean we haven't seen Admirals with conq haki either yet

they dueled evenly

[half zealot]

what does admirals have to do with mihawk and shanks

[solar knoll]

doesnt mean shanks is not stronger it could be mihawk weapon skill better while shanks haki is better

[solar knoll]

i just mean some of the strongest characters haven't show conq haki yet

[half zealot]

Conquerors haki coating is the thing that makes you go from mid to top

[solar knoll]

i am not sure if you get what i mean

I am saying that maybe the fight quite equally because while shanks has better haki, mihawk has better weapon skills

speculation of course

[half zealot]

i don't see that i just think they are 2 monsters

[solar knoll]

fair enough not arguing just telling you what i think of their duels etc

[half zealot]

Sure

[rapid oar]

where was oda refering to in sbs 4 by saying “that place”?

[cyan berry]

You're gonna have to be a lot more specific

[muted ember]

He was talking about the grand line

[sinful helm]

theory why Admirals havent shown conq haki is bcs they bowed too CD's and IMU

so they dont have the will needed for conq

mind you being a subordinate is different from being a lap dog

[split glacier]

Haven't shown might be because they don't have it...It's not something you magically gain. You born with it or you aren't.

[muted valley]

I doubt they know of IMU, seems like a top end CD knowledge

[sinful helm]

At least Akainu knows

Plus i think Dragon Garp and Sengoku know

[muted valley]

I assume Akainu has it, as does Garp, Sengoku, and aokiji at the bare minimum. Outside of Marineford we havnt seen them in situations where they'd use it. CoC is the of a king and ability to reign over others. We've seen it doesn't need them to have to be like imposing themselves on everything. Just will to be standing ontop of something. We didn't see Boa Hancock use it if I remember right. Yet she supposedly has it.

[muted valley]

I doubt it myself, they believe in the Reviere and the OG 20 kingdoms and the guise of the "empty chair". If anyone in the navy was to know it'd be Kong but still doubtful. Dragon maybe, I think maybe Rocks D Xebec might have too. If anything Roger pirates learned it at One Piece. But that whole scene with IMU was implying its a secret that for what people do know the 5 Elders are THE TOP. Not knowing they bow down to a single authority.
Looking at the Dressrosa Doffy incident. Akainu talked to 5 Elders asked if it was from "those" above them. As the Navy is just the public face and at the beckon call so it's silly they would have a complete understanding of the real power structure of the WG, especially a single shadowy ruler.

[low swallow]

Boa does impose her will wherever she goes though

[muted valley]

She doesn't use COC tho

[low swallow]

SHe marches to the beat of her own drum as Oda said for Luffy and Roger

[sinful helm]

Dragon knows for sure if he knows Garp knows if Garp knows Sengoku does too

Dragon said wg isnt the enemy but those that corrupt it

Or those that rule it

[split glacier]

Aokiji is a reach. Akainu is a maybe. A top tier pirate captain having it is really isn't out of the norm anyways. Especially when it's the only other major female pirate out there. Marines (even at the top end) having CoC doesn't make that much sense as they're cogs in a machine rather than unique individuals that have a will to be a "king" in any respect.

[low swallow]

Yah, Aokiji has never tried to impose his will

[short pilot]

What's the last tribe that big mom didn't "collect" /"have sex with"?
Gaints, Lunarians, and which one?

[split glacier]

Kaido's peeps. Actually it's just stated just as a "third race". Could be Oni/Orges or so completely difference race*

[low swallow]

And at the very least, Kizaru does not have the disposition for conquerors. he is literally defined by awaiting orders

[split glacier]

I wouldn't be surprised if none of the Marines had it.

[sinful helm]

Garp should have it in my opinion

He isn't a classical Marine

[split glacier]

Garp never wanted to be Fleet Admiral which is basically admission of wanting to rule, conquer, etc. Not really CoC material

I checked. Sengoku is the only "known" marine to have CoC. It was in a Vivre card/SBS thing.

[steel venture]

yeah ik man i was just adding on. Ok just i read my response my bad lol

[muted valley]

They do impose their will, through justice. They don't inherently need to be coveting power as a solo entity in charge with no one above them. Luffy is an example of that, he has a goal but he will bow his head, be thoughtful, listen and obey others like his crew, and not be like Kaido, Big Mom. Chinjao implied they stand at the top. As it was stated it's about the quality of the person as they stand at the top. Being able to be leader and powerful seems to be the prerequisite. Shanks also is an example that had it while also just being strong but thoughtful and not imposing except when pirating.

It's silly to think the top of the Navy wouldnt posses it. As Kaido said only a select few have advanced COC like we recently saw. Which Whitebeard and Roger had. So it's doubtful many in the top navy would possess it to that extent besides likley Akainu.

I'd be more surprised if Garp didn't have it.

[split glacier]

It's not their will. It's an ideology they want to follow and live by. It's the Gorosei/Imu's will. Like i said, Sengoku is the only known CoC Marine user ever. Until Oda wants to randomly give it to another person that's the truth you gotta accept. Akainu tried to tell his opinion to the Gorosei and got told shut up and be quiet. You named all pirates who are free people adhering to their own rules and striving for "King" in some respect. You are just apply your own meaning to CoC when it's known to be otherwise. 1 in million have CoC Haki and only few out of that small selection know how to use Advanced CoC.
"According to Marigold and Trebol, Haoshoku Haki is proof of an individual who possesses the "qualities of a king" (王の資質 ō no shishitsu?), a candidate chosen by heaven."

[muted valley]

Haoshoku Haki litterally translates to Conqourers spirit/will

Qualities of a King, doesn't mean standing ontop of others in every literal sense. Sengoku while a dog to the WG was about imposing his Justice/Will and imposing it on others which was stopping pirates. Which can translate to other marine's justice they have and their will to do so by using the organization of the Navy to do so, even if they arnt The king, they just possess the qualities of one.

Marines ultimately do have to follow the WGs rule, however in order to be a "good guy", that is the path you have to take. Oda also said Akainu would find the One piece in a single a year, which as you know would require him to go against Yonkos and be top dog. Oda saying Sengoku is the only known one doesn't indicate that its from the marines perspective either. Only from our the readers perspective as he was at the top of Navy. We rarely see anything from the marines.

CoC is equivalent to imposing their Will on others and carry out their ideology like a king/ruler would. Akainu and his Absolute Justice has shown he will impose his ideology through his willpower above all else.

Also this is theories, once the endgame happens it would be more surprising if none of the current Navy possessed the ability to impose their will on others.

[muted ember]

Sengoku literally did stand above others in Marineford tho, on the execution stand

A lot of characters with conquerors are shown literally standing above others

[split glacier]

You are actively ignoring the story lol. Akainu follows orders from above him. It's not his will, he's not the boss, he's an employee. His"Absolute Justice" didn't mean much when Shanks showed. Mad dog turned into a quiet pup. CP0 sit above Akainu at this point if we're being honest. Oda saying Sengoku is the only known Marine CoC user indicates he's the only known Marine CoC user...But whatever dude

[muted valley]

Sengoku wasn't always ontop tho

Sengoku also listened to the WG and didn't publish the escaped level 6 criminals. He still followed the WG, just like Akainu has to.

If the pirates are "bad guys" the ONLY way to have a full on major structured force to fight them is through the WG and the marines.

Also where was it stated Akainu was just quiet and knew about Shanks meeting with the Gorosei? It has also been shown Shanks has some major level of respect by every major power. With Sengoku listening to him about ending the war. With Reigning Justice Sengoku who wants to stop pirates working with the shibukai because of the WG. Absolute Justice doesn't mean eradicate on the spot. It is about following it through as we saw with Ohara and his constant attempt to end the 3 major players of marineford. With the 3 admirals looming over everyone under sengoku.

Katakuri was 2nd in command and his COC and will was about protecting his family. He isn't top dog, but he has the qualities and willpower of one.

[empty linden]

So now that Enel is the ruler of the moon city, which is the city that the "God race" came from. I have a feeling that he will be a important factor in the final war.. And then there is the fact that there is space pirates.. Does this mean that the planet of One Piece will be fighting in Space? Is this going DragonBall Z route???

[muted valley]

Well there was space pirates.

I highly doubt it will escape the OP planet. I do think the moons have a huge part in it. As Wano has had alot of ties with the moon, especially with the original Shogun/Damiyo names and their ties to the Void Century.

[vestal orbit]

king's race came from the red line

the only race confirmed to come from the moon is the skypiean race

[muted ember]

I think they came from the moon they just came to Earth before the other moon races

Or maybe they came from a different moon

[ancient vault]

Possible. The name hints at it.

[ancient vault]

By that logic nor zoro or katakuri should have COC

Not even rayleigh should.
They listen to their captains if they tell them to shut up. That doesnt disqualify their king wualities

[cyan berry]

True actually

None of them should get CoC

Thank you swrml

[ancient vault]

Idk if u joking

[cyan berry]

I am mostly

[split glacier]

Selective reading at it's finest 😴

[low swallow]

Sengoku, Akainu, Garp probably. But Kizaru probably doesn't have conquerors, I mean it's his nature to take orders. Aokiji's is more iffy, but Akainu probably has

[ancient vault]

Lol how

I wasnt argueing for garp nor kizaru but aokiji or akainu wouldnt surprise me

[muted ember]

I think Kizaru could have it

[nimble schooner]

Raizo is for sure using ninjutsu to disguise as Komurasaki

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-gif-5376378

[ripe geyser]

Akainu getting CoC wouldn’t even slightly surprise me

I feel like it’s an irony meant to happen. Akainu isn’t as much of a dog as cipher pol, he’s the head of all the marines (ik he’s directly under the CDs but he has shown how he feels about pirates unlike cipher pol who ONLY care about completing missions). And we’ve seen numerous times just how badly he wants to end the reign of pirates. With this absolute justice ideology and ambition to stop pirates, Akainu has been contrasted from what marines are meant to be. Marines are supposed to protect innocent people above all else (Fujitora demonstrated this when instructing his men to protect as many lives as possible) but Akainu seems to only care about eliminating who he deems bad. Because he wants to overtake pirates, it essentially makes his will not too far off from that of a conqueror. This can very much be criticized but I firmly believe he’s getting CoC.

[tacit veldt]

I mean, if Sengoku has it, i dont see why Akainu wouldnt

[muted valley]

I agree about Kizaru, I feel like Aokiji likley has it due to his ability to be able to fight Akainu for so long.

But he might have lost due to lack of it. Or he lost cause I feel like Magma is stronger than Ice. Since Molten rock is dense and retains heat extremely well along with its insane density.(speculation based on real facts of molten rock vs Ice)

[muted valley]

I also looked up the vivre card that talked about Sengoku having it. I couldn't find the japanese one to directly translate it. However from the library of Ohara it states that Sengoku has all 3, even the rare COC, He's the first one known to have this information revealed as such on Vivre cards.

I would like to see the full translation and how it's written. Because it doesn't mention anything about him being the Only marine to possess it, rather he's the only one known to have this info revealed.

[sinful helm]

i dont like marines having coc outside those rebels aka those that are in sword

[muted valley]

I don't see them having it outside Aokiji

CoC is for the top dogs, those who can stand above all others and impose their will. What essentially makes one have the quality of a King.

Garp and Roger vs Rocks would Def have CoC getting tossed around.

[rapid oar]

didnt even think of that tbh, he can finally be useful this arc

[proud tree]

Are there Celestial Dragons that are fishmen, giants, long legs? Or are they all pure human? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jushb4oZqIg Maybe this fact alone can be used to create theory, that in the void century humans won the great war of humans vs all the other races.

All the Ds are humans, besides one Giant. Since marines also allowed Giants as the only non human race in their ranks ... the Ds may be the ancestors of the human warriors that beat all other races into submission in the void century, so the clan of D may be the original marine admirals.

[amber oar]

we don't really know if the giants are the only non human race. For starters Carmel had kids from multiple races to sell to the WG

And while unconfirmed, there might be minks

(Not all the minks are from Zou; Faust was born in the North Blue)

[muted ember]

Today I learned Faust is a character in OP

[vestal orbit]

if there were nonhuman celestial dragons i'd assume that the world of one piece would treat humans and nonhumans a bit more equally

from what charloss said with shirahoshi and camie i think merfolk are seen more as pets than humans are

[amber oar]

Oh, to clarify, I was talking about marines, because of NewName's last paragraph.

Either way human CDs still keep human slaves so I don't think having multiple races among CDs would make it any different. I'm still inclined to think they're all human.

At most they could have other variants like longarm, three eye, etc. Still not counting on that

[sinful helm]

Even regular humans are treated as slaves by CDs so i doubt there are non human cds

[proud tree]

thx for reminding me that there are mink marines ... but we never saw them in the story so they are even more rare then giants in the marine ranks...

Zou is even more isolated then Elbaf from the World Governments influence (mother Caramel proves there is some influence).

[amber oar]

Apparently that one in particular died in Marineford, because he appeared in a panel as a zombie from Moria. I forgot the chapter.

he's the only one I recall though, the other doglike marine is Dalmatian who is a zoan that rests in his hybrid form

[solemn ferry]

Yes, its an essential power for the top level people. Its just broken.

The fact that he can have an even clash with Shirohige is a confirmed headcanon for me that he have cocting.

[grizzled fog]

[sand sail]

It's not really an essential power

Nor did he ever use it lol

[solemn ferry]

Well i think it is, for the top leveled people. IMO Akainu must've have it, and yes its not confirmed, other unconfirmed people who is unthinkable for me to not have Cocting are Mihawk and Garp, because both are able to rival Cocting user (Shanks and Roger).

[sand sail]

But that's making the mistake of think you've ever needed haki to do so

That's not how it is in the show

[solemn ferry]

I think its because he only battle in marineford, like can u confirm WB's Cocting during Marineford? I know he is a confirmed user but he only confirmed to uses it later in the flashback, even when WB vs Shanks clash there is no lightning and their blade still touch, because the Cocting concept is still not fully established.

[vestal orbit]

idt cocting is needed to be a top tier

no way kizaru has coc

unless he acts so slow so that the world can keep up with him like some theorize

[crude spear]

so my theory is that all the CDs are human because they are the ancestors of the group that took over the land of gods during the void century

[vestal orbit]

and he's actually a lot smarter/more competent/kingly/whatever when he's not holding himself back

but that's a pretty big if

[sand sail]

But you're supposing that they have to have it because of who they can fight, but that's not really how the series works. Besides Kaido or just touching logias, a lack of a certain ability isn't an immediate loss in a fight. Even with those like Kaido and logias, you don't need haki to hurt them at all, let alone conqueror's.

[solemn ferry]

Yes lol maybe i'm too biased on Akainu and because how broken i think Cocting is. Like it is abling base form Luffy to go toe-to-toe against Kaido and abling him to hurt Kaido, he was previously no match againts him in G4.
However, it is still unthinkable for me for Mihawk and Garp not to have it. Like what else do they have that is able to rival Shanks and Roger besides Cocting?

[sand sail]

He was far from no match before, without it he was forcing Kaido to actually go and use conqueror's just to beat him.

And besides that, they would just need brute strength. Haki was never given any kind of quality that not having it made it unbeatable, or anything like that. From its inception, people have been going straight through it without even having it themselves.

It's entirely conceivable that some people were able to fight against others without it. You could even go as far as saying Mihawk only ever fought Shanks before he had it. Garp has never rivaled Roger.

[crude spear]

@sand sail so then explain what happened with Luffy fighting that kid who made the robots pre timeskip?

[sand sail]

What?

[crude spear]

I forget his name but he invented the robot clones of the paw paw guy

[sand sail]

Oooooh, you mean Sentoumaru? He was just a bodyguard for Vegapunk, he's not the ones who made them. And he was just much stronger than Luffy in general, there was no getting through it

Conversely, the very next arc, Luffy breaks through the second form of armament haki as he beats the Boa sisters with relative ease

[crude spear]

right sentomaru

from what I remember sentomaru was able to be Luffy because he used one of the colors, or haki at the very least

I believe he used the foresight color and possibly armament

[sand sail]

He just used the second form of armament to fight him

Which is what Luffy immediately defeats in Amazon Lily an arc later

[crude spear]

yeah he used advanced armament haki

basically was able to send out his haki

and also did have color of observation right

[sand sail]

I assume so yeh, see this illustrates the point I'm getting at. Sentoumaru was so much stronger that Luffy stood no chance, but fast forward to the Boa sister using the same exact haki, and he cuts through it like butter with just Gear 2nd and outspeeds their observation haki

[crude spear]

Basically what I'm saying is that this proves this wrong

Sentomaru who had haki, outclassed Luffy who didnt have it

[sand sail]

I just explained why it doesn't, though ^

Basically, you guys are mistaken about it being about haki

[crude spear]

was Luffy training before this or n9t

[wild veldt]

Luffy had physical stats that outclassed Boa's sister's haki

[sand sail]

No lol, he got beat at Sabaody and immediately went to Amazon Lily, it was the very next arc

[wild veldt]

it works both ways

[sand sail]

^

It's all relative, haki is just another boost. It's not some insurmountable power or absolute ability that makes it so you can only fight haki with haki. We see it getting broken through repeatedly in the series, and observation is often overcome with sheer speed as well. Katakuri lost because Luffy was faster, not because he had observation haki.

[wild veldt]

That's how Luffy used Snakeman against Kata. he started thowing attacks that were faster than his observation haki

[final depot]

What do you think Luffy's true goal is?
It's been shown that Luffy's true goal isn't to be Pirate King. So what do you think it is?

[crude spear]

hm

[wild veldt]

kata was still able to dodge many of the hits, but far less than what he was

[robust sierra]

if I had to guess, to do whatever he wants

like be free without anyone bugging him

[sand sail]

When has this been shown?

[crude spear]

the way I understood it is that the attacks were erratic, and not even Luffy knew where, or rather when, they would hit Kata making his foresight irrelevant

or work Less anyway

[sand sail]

No, Luffy knew exactly where he was aiming, and Katakuri could see most if not all of them coming

[robust sierra]

I think he meant what he told shanks, ace and Sabo that made them surprised

[wild veldt]

No kata could still see the attacks coming

[crude spear]

right but they appeared as a jumbled bunch

[wild veldt]

He just couldn't move his own body fast enough

[sand sail]

They weren't jumbled, no

[robust sierra]

wasn't jumbled

[crude spear]

feh whatever

[sand sail]

At one point he just dances around Black Mamba

Well, half of it

[robust sierra]

only time we see jumbled movement is when he fights enel

[final depot]

Not shown per se
But in a flashback when ASL were kids they were talking about their goals and Luffy's wasn't shown. If it WERE pirate king then it would've been shown

[craggy pumice]

yeah Luffy has another dream but his main goal is still becoming Pirate King

[sand sail]

It probably was just telling them that, or something similar

[wild veldt]

kata can see it, his obs isn't the issue

[robust sierra]

luffy isn't interested in ruling so he wants to become "king" for some other reason

[wild veldt]

It's that he couldn't react fast enough

[final depot]

But I'm asking if y'all have any guesses as to what it is

[wild veldt]

Kata caught on pretty early against snakeman too

[crude spear]

theory: The lunarians are from the moon and were the people that the world government defeated. Their kingdom was were marijoa is now.

and the reason they were defeated is because they invented the devil fruits

[sand sail]

To be the freest man on the seas

[final depot]

And Laughtale is the right eye and Skypeia is the left

[near osprey]

I don't think he has another goal outside of being Pirate King

[crude spear]

eye of what?

[final depot]

Ain't that BBs goal though

[near osprey]

Pirate King = being the most free

[robust sierra]

probably not

[sand sail]

It's everyone's goal

Some just want to do it while oppressing others

[final depot]

That skull shaped Island

[robust sierra]

his goal is probably to just rule everything

[sand sail]

We know his goal, he shouts it out a few times

[robust sierra]

in tyranny

[sand sail]

He wants to be the Pirate King and rule the world

[crude spear]

also I theorize that what's on laugh tale is how to make legit devil fruits

which is why Roger laughed

[robust sierra]

doubt it

[craggy pumice]

Why would Roger laugh at that

[final depot]

Or a DF tree

[crude spear]

the idea is absurd to him

[robust sierra]

it was in all likelihood a revelation or prophecy about some sort of peaceful era happening eventually

[crude spear]

I like that idea too

[robust sierra]

so they were happy, that's my theory

[crude spear]

I still think its reasonable to think the lunarians are from the moon

[robust sierra]

they knew good would eventually come to their world and the celestials would not reign perpetually

[stuck crown]

To be free

The pirate king is the most freest person in the world (according to what he said in dressrosa)

It probs means no 1 wud rlly b a threat to him

[crude spear]

in other words the pirate king answers to nobody

[stuck crown]

Nd he cn do what he wants

[stuck crown]

Ye tha

[crude spear]

"do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate"

[final depot]

Yar Har Fiddle Dee Dee
Being a pirate is alright to me

[stuck crown]

I has a theory
In fishman island, shirley said luffys gonna destroy fishman island
And we know theres gonna be a huge war
So what if the war takes place at fishman island and luffy ends up destroyin it

[robust sierra]

doubt it

he will probably destroy it so that Fishman can live under the sun

at some point they'll integrate with humans like other races

[stuck crown]

Is elbaf confirmed for next island?

[robust sierra]

that's my guess

[final depot]

Reverse mountain might be destroyed to create the All Blue

[stuck crown]

1 of the only places they havnt been yet nd its been foreshadowed alot

[final depot]

Usopp needs it

[stuck crown]

We r in the 4 emperors saga so shanks will be soon

[final depot]

Film Red: Allow me to introduce my self

[crude spear]

nah I'm thinking CD HQ next

[stuck crown]

Rnt one piece films not canon tho

[crude spear]

Bros gonna find out sabo got captured

[low swallow]

That's more backstory right?

[stuck crown]

Even if odas behind it, i doubt itll be canon

[crude spear]

obviously the next arc is gonna be a war

[final depot]

I hope we get Shanks' backstory

[stuck crown]

Nah i dont think the war will be yet

[crude spear]

Luffy and his extended army vs the celestial dragons and the world governentn

[final depot]

What if the Mad Lad says it's gonna be canon

[stuck crown]

Thatll probs be the final arc, hence the final war

[stuck crown]

Wudnt be surprised, oda throws thingd at us out of no where

[crude spear]

Okay but y'all gotta know Luffy gonna hear about dragon and sabo soon as he leaves wano

[stuck crown]

Wait he doesnt know abt sabo?

[crude spear]

far as I know he doesn't no

[final depot]

And Shanks fights like he does in PW4

[stuck crown]

Sabo better not take an L like ace did

[crude spear]

he's got no knowledge on what happened at that revelry

[final depot]

I hope not either

[stuck crown]

Doesnt nami read the newspaper frequently tho

But then again wano isnt connected to the world

[final depot]

Since she's not busy being a good character or anything. Yes

[stuck crown]

So it wud make sense, but oden did find out abt roger

Thru a newspaper

[low swallow]

Wait a sec, I remember they did say that to survive the new world, you have to be under the emperors or oppose them. We've seen people try to oppose Big Mom, Shank and Kaido. It will be cool if the remaining supernova, Chad D. Urouge went after Blackbeard now

[crude spear]

who?

[stuck crown]

Didnt urouge alr take an L against cracker

[low swallow]

That was earlier on, no? 2 years have passed

[stuck crown]

Fair enuf

[final depot]

Please

[final depot]

Spell properly

Why TF is slow mode so damn long in this chat

[crude spear]

oh right the mad monk

[stuck crown]

Truss

[crude spear]

holy shit that's amazing

[stuck crown]

Its not even that active

Are dog and cat the strongest minks?

[latent zodiac]

I have a question.

If luffys goal is to unite everyone in parties...

You think he'd invite his enemies too? Much less the guy who killed his brother?

Or blackbeard and big mom etc. ?

[stuck crown]

None of the yonko wud work under soemeone tbf

[crude spear]

compare these also

[stuck crown]

Holy shit

Imagine she rlly is big moms daughter

[crude spear]

alvida after the fruit with young big mom

[stuck crown]

What fruit did alvida eat again

[crude spear]

ikr? secret love child with kaido or something uh she ate...the smooth fruit

[stuck crown]

Nd wtf r its powers

[latent zodiac]

Smooth skin and slippery stuff

[stuck crown]

Wasnt that the cp9 girls fruit

[latent zodiac]

Basically snow white powers with a few extra

[robust sierra]

LMAO how did I not see this

[latent zodiac]

Apparently thats soap...

You gotta remember there are also multiple age changing fruits.

Ain in film Z and Bonney

[crude spear]

related power but different. cp9 girl power is soap fruit

[stuck crown]

O

[crude spear]

also apparently alvidas birthday is "beauty day" in japan

[stuck crown]

She was not a beauty in the 1st ep..

[crude spear]

ikr

[latent zodiac]

Thoughts?

[crude spear]

yeah alvidas is the "sube sube no mi" and the cp9 girl has the "awa awa no mi"

[stuck crown]

Oh ye, i was watchin old scenes of one piece and i realised soemthing
Zoro got annoyed at luffy nd said hes gonna slice him up 1 day
And since oda loves foreshadowing

...u alr know the rest

God i hope not

[crude spear]

lmao the subesube fruit looks like a brain

[amber oar]

....yes, a brain....

so that's how Alvida got so, uh, peachy

[pure raven]

Who'll get Kanjuro's df when he dies?

[near osprey]

No one

It's not simple to just find a DF like that

[latent zodiac]

...actually... about that

[near osprey]

BB is the only person along with his crew who knows how to obtain a fruit from someone who just died.

[latent zodiac]

Doffy knew exactly how to get the mera mera

[robust sierra]

not necessarily

[latent zodiac]

and used it to bait luffy

So there is a way

[near osprey]

Yes but Kanjuro's clearly isn't well known as it's been missing for 20 years

[robust sierra]

just knew what it looked like and maybe had connections

[near osprey]

So odds of someone getting it last minute are slim.

[proud tree]

by sending Kanjuro 20 years into the future Toki made Kanjuros fruit unaviable for 20 years to the world ... could Toki also send someone 800 years into the future to deny the World Government a powerful fruit?

[sand sail]

Like hers? Yes

Her fruit did not exist for the last 800 years

[sand sail]

This is incorrect, scientists have been researching things like this for a while in the Grand Line. Blackbeard's the only one who makes it his business to get fruits this way is all

[proud tree]

how did Enel know Eldo Rados name in the blue sea, when he never was at the blue sea? (chapter 260)

Did he torture the information out of a blue sea traveler in Birka? Because he started planning to build arc maxim already in Birka, when he collected all the dials for its systems there.

[pastel summit]

He found it himself, and knew it was a valuable substance. The "El Dorado" stuff is just early viz being weird. It should just be city of gold.

[proud tree]

I thought this dialoge confirms he took the island because he knew it was there before he conquered it?

[pastel summit]

Oh true. Yeah, seems like he did take the island with the intent of getting the gold exclusively. So he had some information on it. Who knows where, there are a lot of different possibilities.

[waxen dust]

I honestly believe Brika was a kingdom that had all the knowledge we’ve been desperately seeking to be answered. So things like The Moon, The Lunarians, Uranus, Three Eye Tribe, etc.; So it wouldn’t be surprising that Enel learned all this important information on there and decided to destroy it all afterwards so no one else would gain access to such knowledge.

[robust sierra]

aren't birkans the people nami trained with

[amber oar]

Haredas is Birkan, not sure about the rest. But the place is not Birka

[waxen dust]

Nami was on Weatheria, Haredas is the only wizard we know from Birka and what’s interesting enough Weatheria is a man made island from Haredas, so to me this suggests that Birka had some advanced technology to allow the construction of an artificial Sky Island

[pastel summit]

That would be the case if Haredas was the sole creator of Weatheria. which he probably isn't.

[pure raven]

[shell timber]

So like, what if when Luffy meets Shanks again, they have a Davy Back Fight, and the last game, Shanks puts the Straw Hat on the line against Luffy. Luffy would have to prove he deserves the Straw Hat.

[stable musk]

luffy and shanks reunion which has been long awaited for 25 years just for it to be a callback to.. long ring long land?

[shell timber]

I mean, I don't see why not.

It wouldn't just be a callback to LRLL, because it would be exciting to see Shanks' crew vs. Luffy's in some form or another. It's just a thought, but I think this would be a good way for Luffy to prove he's worthy of the STraw Hat other than Shanks just saying he's good for it.

[stable musk]

i guess so, we'll see what happens when we get there

[wild veldt]

we knew kunia's family was from wano from some sbs

also if those are spoilers from the next chap

I will have to use excessive force

[low swallow]

They are from next chapter, but they don't spoil anything

[wild veldt]

damn

that's a spoiler then

[low swallow]

Tis a tricky situation. What do you do to someone with the intent to leak, but who doesn't technically leak

[sinful helm]

[pure raven]

[mighty raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CfjQwVk5ho&t=112s this gotta be one of the coolest theories ever

[desert hatch]

hadnt seen that, pretty interesting

[quaint haven]

I wonder if Kings race were the enemy of the D.

Any good theories on why his race were annihilated?

[pearl shale]

i think they were with the d because they have same enemy world government

i think that shanks have a devil fruit

armor armor fruit

this fruit alower the use to put a armor on the body like bartolomoe Bari Bari fruit but in armor form

this armor is unbreakable

this is the only fruit by which the user can swim because is the user use the power before going into water than the water is touching the armor not the user so user can swim this is why shank can swim in the first chapter

this fruit look like Armament haki but it is different because you can not hit a logia with only this fruit

it is more defensive the the Armament haki that can be use in both offence and defensive

this is one of the most powerful fruit the only down fall is the that it take lot of stamina to maintain the armor so shanks is the master of observation haki so he only use the armor at the movement he was getting attack to save stamina

reason

1 that fruit fits his personality very well as we see with other devil fruit use like luffy and doflamingo

2 this is the reason why mihawk is the best sword man not shanks but when shanks fought mihawk he did not use his DF but still it was a close fight

[low swallow]

Hmm, an armor armor fruit would be cool

Still, not sure there is enough to suggest it will be able to beat df weakness

And Shanks doesn't seem like a very defensive kinda guy

[oak plover]

What’s the furthest back we see Shanks’ scars? Does he have them at Rogers execution?

[low swallow]

Also, if he has an armor armor how did BB scar him. I mean, if BB scarred him while his guard was up, it won't make sense seeing as the fruit like Barto's fruit is impenetrable

[low swallow]

His face was covered by his hat i think

[oak plover]

Doesn’t he have a conversation with buggy at that point?

[pearl shale]

that is why shank is concert about black beard

[oak plover]

I may be misremembering

[pearl shale]

shank have only one scar that we know of am i right ??

[oak plover]

I’m sYing scars because there are three marks

[tired osprey]

Got a new theory of how Tama will age up/power up, Big mom will insert her soul into her
Need to reread some chapters tonight and google extensively @ancient vault

[thick sky]

[ancient vault]

[tired osprey]

Best would be if big mom dies doing it

And that it would become her redemption

[mild crag]

So like, tamamama fusion?

[crude spear]

tamamama dingdong

[quaint haven]

Then he wouldn't of lost his arm

[tired osprey]

Tamamama
Yes!

[crude turtle]

I think I might know how Gear 5 is going to work. This uses the assumption that the secret to BM/Kaido's insane defense is using Conqueror's coating as a defensive tool, coating their bodies with it to increase defense, the same way Armament does. If this is how that works, Luffy's learning Conqueror's coating right now, so, he'll learn to do that too. And Gear 4 works by blowing up his muscles, then reinforcing them with Haki, specifically Armament. If he swapped out Armament with Conqueror's, the difference in power would probably be crazy, given how much more powerful Conqueror's is then Armament, and I could see Oda writing it in that doing so requires a lot more Haki, making it even more risky then Gear 4.

TLDR; Swapping Armament for Conqueror's, then doing Muscle Balloon.

[hollow oxide]

I think big mom will replace Napoleon (he will downgraded as only hat) with kaido soul after luffy beat him and this will make big mom overpower

[muted ember]

Big Mom had her invulnerability since she was a kid so I doubt that's conquerors

[crude turtle]

but it goes away when she lets her guard down, the same way Haki does

[muted ember]

So far it only went away when the picture broke I wouldn't say her guard was down it was more like a mental breakdown

But maybe you're right idk

I do think there will be other forms/techniques of advanced haki

[floral venture]

So when do you think big mom’s invulnerability goes away? Is it when she goes unconscious?

If so then she could be killed in her sleep

[crude turtle]

idk, but it's not permanent

it does go away, so there's probably an outside reason for it other then biology

[floral venture]

I just want brook and franky to have their moment

Like franky pulls out nipple seastone missiles or something

[fluid crag]

wasnt shanks soaking wet when he saved luffy tho?

[mild crag]

I feel that shanks overpowering conquerors haki is what makes him not hit mihawk tier. With an arm gone he’d have to rely more on it, which would make it less a test of skill like mihawk enjoys, because shanks does not have the same technical mastery as him

[naive breach]

I have theory but in image form and its like 7 images what i do?

[ancient vault]

Post them

[naive breach]

@ancient vault will get a warn

[ancient vault]

Post them

[proud tree]

long ling long land supremacy

jokes are actually really important in One Piece plot

[fathom matrix]

I think Garp always wanted to be a pirate, wanting to be free and do what he wants, BUT when he found out about the WG, the fate of pirates and the danger they can pose, he gave up on that dream, and kept to be a marine, but never become an admiral because he wanted to be free but safe.

and he didn't want Luffy anc Ace becoming pirates because he wants them to be safe and not thrown in jail, but also because he didn't want them following the same dream he had, but become disappointed or live a life of danger

Also, the Ds seem to have this will of freedom and being free, so I guess becoming a pirate is like the automic instinct?

Smiling while on the sea? No restrictions, no rules, just adventure and treasure?

[tepid nymph]

i like the theory about previous Devil Fruit users’ wills being passed on like reincarnation when someone else eats that Devil Fruit

would make sense to then reveal Joyboy & Roger had previously eaten the Gum Gum fruit

[sleek geyser]

ye saw that theory when it dropped

[tepid nymph]

i just read OP for the first time this past month so when i caught up & someone showed me that theory, it feels nearly definite by now bc so much has hinted towards that being the case

think Marijoa is gonna be the island of the next arc?

[junior cape]

I dont think King or Queen can use advanced observation haki. If they could, they wouldn't have been surprised by Zoro and Sanji, or by Luffy busting out onto the stage.

[visual merlin]

our only future sight users so far are Luffy and Kata

[tepid nymph]

what about Eneru

[visual merlin]

he's just got normal observation like everyone else

[tepid nymph]

oh okay

[muted ember]

U think Shyarly predictions are related to observation Haki?

[split glacier]

Most likely an extremely rare version where it's "gifted" rather than trained.

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/7CfjQwVk5ho

[sly juniper]

ok so I only just made this connection despite trying to figure it out for the past few days, and I'm surely not the first person to suggest this, but

I was thinking about how exactly Hiyori got to Onigashima in the first place, and I kinda wanna say it's Denjiro's doing?

like, he snuck her in before the raid somehow

and just didn't tell everyone else just in case her being there got leaked

then this whole shamisen playing and being dressed up as Komurasaki is a ploy to lure Orochi close so that Denjiro, who we last saw with the rest of the scabbards decapitating Orochi's other heads, can launch a suprise attack and finish him off

[abstract pond]

That or Hiyori herself is going to finish him

[sly juniper]

mm, though I also feel like it would make sense to show Fukurokuju being taken down first

and regardless of whether Denjiro is directly involved with Hiyori in this plot, I really wanna know where he is and what he's doing rn lol

[drifting cargo]

huh. Watching the 9th reverie and randy troy is explaining the mythology Kiku is based on and it sounds exactly like cindry from thriller bark lol

just more parallels between that arc and Wano I guess

[robust sierra]

lots of headcanon vibes from the title

[junior cape]

Wonder how Raizo is doing. They probably got pushed out of their area by the fires.

[proud tree]

Raizo and Fukuro are best friends now

[junior cape]

Doubt it. Their philosophies are completely antithetical

[near osprey]

What happens if Kaido does come to the conclusion Luffy is JoyBoy

[robust sierra]

he will immediately start inting

[muted ember]

I think he might follow him

[near osprey]

I honestly think the same thing, Kaido would be mad interested in seeing what Luffy will accomplish

[robust sierra]

he wouldn't follow him

bad for his rep, and he's genuinely proud and evil

[near osprey]

Nah, Kaido wants a massive war and if he decides Luffy is JoyBoy he knows who'll be leading it

[robust sierra]

he would only follow luffy MAYBE if he could low diff him

and that is impossible

[near osprey]

Ultimately he'll want to see what future Luffy will create

But I think he'll only come to the conclusion Luffy is JoyBoy by the time he starts losing.

Cause I'm pretty sure all the top players are in agreement we're in the end game, with how much they're starting to move for the One Piece.

But Luffy is a storm just coasting through the Grand Line taking down Pirate after Pirate

He's also flipped the power structure on it's head numerous times.

now we're at a reality where not one but two Yonko are going to be taken down, along with the abolishment of the Shicibukai everything is going to erupt.

[robust sierra]

yeah it's gonna be chaotic

[woven moth]

does this have to do with the hats and the hat Ace made Little Oars Jr?

[neon shoal]

Does anyone else believe if enma turn to black blade, will enma quit drain haki out of wielder?

[radiant oxide]

Yep, he definitely gave me the impression of a sort of pirate like attitude even though he calls himself a marine. Something must have really shifted gears for him back then.

[solemn ferry]

Imma just agree to disagree

[sand sail]

That message was like 30 hours ago

[formal quest]

Franky relies more on Mechanical strength to fight his enemies
So I think he should make Seastone hands for himself to fight against DF users instead of learning haki

[weary rose]

https://tenor.com/view/allow-approve-community-gif-4686443

[pure raven]

Yes because a Black blade doesn't requires anymore haki as it's already coated permanently

[junior cape]

Not necessarily. Going back to Punk Hazard, when Zoro and Tashigi fought Monet, Zoro used Shusui, which was ALREADY A BLACK BLADE, and he did not kill her, merely cut her in half. Therefore, it's likely that creating a black blade permanently amps up its durability and power, but does NOT give it the ability to cut down Devil Fruit users like Haki does. As such, Enma would probably keep ripping out haki from its weilder, but never go back to normal.

Zoro uses Shusui, Monet doesn't die:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfqc6NPRmTE

[split glacier]

Yeah that wouldn't make sense. Then any scrub could "find" a Black Blade and beat high end Logias/whoever

[night lava]

Hold up, what are the criteria for a fruit to be considered logia again?

[turbid swift]

u can only touch them using armanent or knowing their natural weakness perhaps

[patent summit]

And the power must be created off of the users body

[thick sky]

Logia is the rarest of the three Devil Fruit types. Those who have eaten a Logia fruit are granted the power to transform their body's composition into a natural element at will, as well as create and control it

The "natural element" is an important thing here as when. Katakuri was introduced he was introduced as logia but Oda changed it later as "special paramecia"

[night lava]

If theyre natural elements, how come moria isnt a logia user? I mean, he controls shadows and shadow is basically a natural occuring phenomena

[fickle elbow]

luffy dies

[low swallow]

He can't become a shadow

[night lava]

Fair enough

[split glacier]

No one has ever said this before.

[bitter kraken]

Can franky even learn haki since he is machine? I thought only living beings could use flesh and bone

[waxen prawn]

possibly, or she came with otama

[patent summit]

Well he is a cyborg, so there is still some flesh and bone there

[bitter kraken]

His arms and hands are fully mechanized right tho? Which is where peeps mostly use haki that and legs, feet

[muted ember]

U can imbue it in a sword I don't think it's too much different from that

I'm pretty sure queen could use Haki on his mechanic arm

[weary scarab]

Like some budget bullet

[sand sail]

Franky is entirely a living being. He's a cyborg, not an android.

[abstract basalt]

At the end of one piece luffy's crew members will die and luffy will claim the one piece

[modest skiff]

Where’s the theory part of this? This just feels like an emotion invoking “omg” twist rather than something supported by any kind of information or story. Please read the channel description

[bitter kraken]

Anyone think there’s any chance sanjis raid suit transmitted to judges lab a way for them to artificially create haki?

[queen arrow]

that's sound way out there for it to be plausible