manga-theories

[pastel summit]

Unless Garp for some reason took Dragon in 55 yrs ago or something. Which would be weird, 'cause I doubt either of them were significant forces in the world at that time.

[gloomy canyon]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[swift panther]

I mean it says that he has a really dark past

[muted ember]

The vivre cards said Sabo was dead

[gloomy canyon]

No they didn’t

That was from another data book and supposedly a mistranslation

[swift panther]

The Vivre card?

[gloomy canyon]

Databooks

[swift panther]

Then what about the kid's kid

[zinc iris]

the vivre card said shanks was already an emperor during romance dawn

[gloomy canyon]

That was corrected

[zinc iris]

this will be corrected too

[muted ember]

Point is outside of manga material can be incorrect

[low swallow]

yah rocks d. dragon theory out the window

[gloomy canyon]

Inside manga material can be incorrect

Oda makes mistakes all the time

But they’re fixed, corrected, and addressed

As are the vivre cards

[swift panther]

The story would be spicy if garp had actually adopted dragon tho

[pastel summit]

would it?

[swift panther]

He'd be known as the kindest guy or some

[muted ember]

If inside manga can be incorrect then Garp doesn't have to be Dragon's father just bc it's in one panel

[pastel summit]

Just seems like an unnecessary subversion. It'd be fine if it was established towards the start, but going 600 chapters being told Dragon is Garp's son just to go "AKSHUALLY!" is kinda lame.

[gloomy canyon]

It’s in quite a few panels in manga as well as supplementary material alluding to it

There’s really not much supporting Dragon not being Garps son other than people going “yo but what if?!?’”

[swift panther]

That's one piece for you. Lol

[pastel summit]

No that really isn't one piece at all lol

[muted ember]

U shared 2 panels, one w question marks indicating the character speaking doesn't know for sure

[swift panther]

Dare I reckon, the Japanese version also said "kid's kid"

[gloomy canyon]

You also have to stretch it that he’d take on his wife’s name. Kids kid easily can refer to meaning dragons son. Chinjao calls him dragons son. The vivre cards say “born as dragons son”. He was born in the goa kingdom, home to Garp and Luffy.

Whereas your only point is “but what if it’s not and that’s all incorrect”

[nimble thistle]

Probably if Rayleigh is taken down there, the rest of Roger's crew might start to move. Since defeating Rayleigh would definitely make world-wide news, it would reach the remaining Roger's Pirates crew.

[pastel summit]

and what would they do? lol. Without Rayleigh and Roger.

[swift panther]

Ai then. Monkey D Dragon he is 😂

[nimble thistle]

What the Marines don't need, at any point in the story, is more upstarts spread around the world.

[pastel summit]

inactive for over 2 decades. They're all gonna be old men, who absolutely cannot take on the Marines.

[nimble thistle]

Anybody they could afford to mobilize against them is going to roll them.

[low swallow]

half the world hates roger as ace showed

[swift panther]

What you guys think of gaban? He got quite the screen time even tho he isn't relevent rn

[nimble thistle]

Half the world also lives under the delusion that the Marines are actually virtuous.

[swift panther]

Gaban scopper

[gloomy canyon]

Wdym quite the screentime? He’s gotten like 10 panels in total

His relevance or former relevance at least far outweighs the actual screentime he’s gotten in the story

[swift panther]

He seemed to have quite the role in the anime

[patent summit]

I hope scopper is defending/watching over lodestar

[swift panther]

He even clashed oden

[pastel summit]

he didn't. Roger went ahead of them before Oden fought Gaban or Rayleigh.

[grizzled apex]

No he also did

Rayleigh vs Marco and some random guys

[gloomy canyon]

That’s anime only

[grizzled apex]

Oh

Even gaban vs oden anime only?

[patent summit]

Gabans design is sick tho. Dual wielding axes n stuff

[gloomy canyon]

Ye

[grizzled apex]

Oh

[muted ember]

Whose wedding y'all think Shanks went to?

[grizzled apex]

When tho?

[swift panther]

Cover story right?

[muted ember]

Yea during Whole Cake which is very poetic from Oda

Someone Shanks knows gets married at the same time the SH who most loves women rejects his

[swift panther]

Guessing some crewmates wedding

There was this lucky roo and Lola theory

😂 what y'all think?

[cyan berry]

Lola already got married to Gotti of Bege's crew

It was in Bege's "Oh My Family" cover stories

[desert holly]

Soo I saw a post where Sanji uses his germa suit for the first time in chapter 931 and below that we saw he destroy his suit in 1031… you can see below

Soo This got me thinking that it’s 100 chapter gap and started checking one piece manga for 1032 spoiler then saw in 32 chapter cover page we got this luffy nami and zoro and a dragon looking exactly like Momo
As you can see below

Soo In this chapter the major fight is with zoro and got me thinking if Sanji chapter gap was 100 then zoro must be 1000 and I’m guessing in next chapter we will get to see a zoro fight

[dreamy rune]

I think next chapter might focus on Zoro vs King and maybe few panel of luffy vs kaido and nami and ussop doing something . I have seen comments saying that in the next chapter sanji is going to defeat Queen which I don't believe it's going to happen this soon.

[desert holly]

i think the same as in chapter 32 we also get to see nami ans ussop talking and nami helping out zoro but i dont think we will see luffy v kaido panels

[muted ember]

There's a cross on the church that reminds me of Mihawk but idk about that

[solar knoll]

Meh we didn’t really get to see Rayleigh get serious thou. Meaning their current forces was not enough to threaten him. TBH he could probably 1 hit all the pacifistas

[muted ember]

He said he couldn't help Luffy bc he had to focus on Kizaru tho. I read it as roughly even he couldn't beat them but they also didn't have enough to capture him

[solar knoll]

Yea probably because if he switched focus to fight others Kizaru would just destroy the Strawhats

And Kizaru is not the type Rayleigh can beat without a high level of difficulty

But the others around come on barely threatened Rayleigh. TS luffy could 1 hit the pacifistas as wel

[pastel summit]

he was definitely serious. He was struggling to keep Kizaru busy. If he was struggling, then he should've been trying his best, otherwise it's an unnecessary struggle.

[solar knoll]

Don’t know I think Kizaru was also not serious serious

For me it seems that even if they went all out it would have been fairly even.

The thing is saving other vs protecting himself is another difficulty level

[muted ember]

Sentamaru has advanced armament so he probably wouldn't be completely useless if he assisted Kizaru but I agree the pacifista wouldn't make a difference

[solar knoll]

Yea but sentomaru was probably not gonna do much to Rayleigh. If anything he would get in the way of Kizaru

[pastel summit]

pacifista would make a difference if he has to fight kizaru at the same time.

[solar knoll]

Why would Kizaru himself say that they would need a bigger force to take down Rayleigh then

It’s almost as if Kizaru was convinced it was a mission not worth taking on.

[rich mortar]

kizaru double agent for revolution army.

[solar knoll]

HaHaha

[rich mortar]

did he actually say that tho?

[solar knoll]

He did

He did say if they were gonna seriously attempt to take his head they would need reinforcements

[nimble thistle]

Kizaru basically said to Rayleigh's face that "we would need to be much better prepared to take you down."

[solar knoll]

That’s prettt much saying not enough for a mission success

Just remember TS luffy was still not Rayleigh level and he 1 shot the pacifistas

[muted ember]

Garp said it too, that if they were forced to face two legends (WB and Rayleigh) they would have to divert forces from Marineford and risk being weaker in the war

[pastel summit]

Not enough for a guaranteed success. Rayleigh still could possibly beat Kizaru if they fought alone, even if Kizaru has the advantage. They'd need a lot more forces to GUARANTEE capturing him.

and yeah, they don't want to lose major forces right before the war.

[clever lintel]

The investment needed to capture Rayleigh simply isn't worth it.

[pure raven]

I wonder if you can coat someone else with your own buso haki like you coat a sword

[nimble drum]

Imagine luffy using a pipe like sabo and ace

[nimble thistle]

Probably not, unless you maintained contact with that person while they were moving.

[pure raven]

Pipe is temperory , sandals are permanent

[split glacier]

Sandals a higher grade than Mihawk's sword

[nimble thistle]

Sandals add "old dude" energy to your soul, making you infinitely stronger than without sandals.

[pure raven]

Agree agree

[nimble thistle]

How many swordsmen are included in the Raid sided with the SHs? Do we have an aprox number of that? 🤔

[pure raven]

Ye , mihawk level is only an assumption tho , it can be even greater

[nimble thistle]

Nevermind about the swordsmen thing. I was apparently wrong in assuming Usopp's first lie about the number of people he mentioned being in command of in his intro to Luffy, Zoro and Nami was small... But he said 80 million pirates. xD

I can't wait to see how that lie turns in to a reality.

[gentle basin]

guys I'm just confused how Oda's gonna wrap this up quickly bc I think I remember him saying after wano it'll be like 80% done

[pure raven]

chopper is kaido's son, nami is big mom's daughter, luffy will get married with boa hancock, sanji with pudding (already are), zoro with hiyori, usopp with kaya and momonosuke with yamato, also Joy Boy is jesus of one piece, Imu has water devil fruit, Dragon has both wind devil fruit and the weapon uranus

[muted ember]

Oda is not reliable w his time frames I wouldn't think about it too much

[pure raven]

if you look at the map, after wano it is basically 85-90% done, there are 4 more islands for them to go hachinosu (blackbeard), elbaf (loki), lodestar (shanks) and raftel (joy boy), but not sure if all of them will be full arcs or small arcs, for example mariejois (reverie) was a small arc https://claystage.com/one-piece-world

[muted ember]

He has to go back to Fishman Island to destroy it

And there's possibly other giant islands. Saul was not from Elbaf and we never seen any other giants like the yeti cool brothers

And there should be an arc that focuses on the revolutionaries too

And Kaido has another winter island where there's revolutionaries

[junior cape]

80% done doesnt mean 80% of needed chapters, it means 80% of the story he wanted to tell was done. Big difference. After the raid, we have to beat the other emperors and the WG, then find the One Piece. That could take another decade.

[gentle basin]

nah but he literally said a while ago it would end in like 5 years

that means only about 250 more episodes

[junior cape]

Hes been saying that since literally day one.

[gentle basin]

damn oh well then I'll just wait and see. it'd be nice if it takes another decade lol

[junior cape]

One piece was supposed to end in 5 years initially, but the scope kept rising, so it kept going. And here we are 24 years later, reading the same manga. Oda can say whatever he wants about series completion, they're never gonna cancel him. Hes making Jump too much money for that.

Oda probably brought Big Mom to Wano specifically to save time anyways, so he doesnt have to write Whole Cake Pt. 2.

[night karma]

Zoro will fight Shiryu and give Sanji the clear clear fruit

[inner vector]

Do you think the numbers are the samurais of Yamato flashback?

[low swallow]

My post got deleted?

[inner vector]

yeah, it seems

[echo bison]

But how would zoro get the fruit tho??

[wintry lake]

Big mom will die due resetting her lifespan time

[cyan berry]

what

[wintry lake]

I can bet it, the only time she used her lifespan time was in wano, she might overpower herself and die

[cyan berry]

yeah i still have no idea what youre talking about

[copper frost]

She used 1 year off her lifespan tho

[wintry lake]

Green bull will pop with ox bull zoan type fruit

[wintry lake]

Isnt she like 70 years old? She still has to fight

Kaido might go down first then bug mom

[copper frost]

She's stronger than she normally is, already one of the strongest people in the world and now she's just stronger, what does age have to do with it

[wintry lake]

Yeah but do you think law and kidd will defeat her? i believe she will just die because she doesn’t have enough lifespan, that’s the only factor, who will go against her then, most strawhattq are at their limit

Unless new adminal pops and fucks everyone and strawhat escapes

[bitter kraken]

Kaido got the numbers from punk hazard I think, it seems Vegapunk made them or sum

[muted ember]

Ceasar said the ancient giant experiments were over 100 years ago. According to SBS Hatcha is 188 years old

[wintry lake]

Another theorie, green admiral comes into Wano to fuck up cp0

[grizzled fog]

Why would Greenbull fight cp0

[fathom matrix]

Man I just realised

One Piece characters have a planet that's much MUCH larger than normal earth's right?

That means the gravity must be powerful as hell. No wonder they're so Durable

[grizzled fog]

Is it larger than earth? I’d say it’s more likely smaller

[near osprey]

LOL definitely much larger

[grizzled fog]

why though?

[near osprey]

Considering the large amount of Islands, the sea creatures that inhabit and so on it's definitely a lot larger than Earth

[night jewel]

i would say this does imply that its much larger

much much more

[pure raven]

so like i found this theory (dk if already been discussed)
like how we use a rubber to erase stuff right
what if
the gum gum fruit if awakened
could erase time and stuff
thats why the world government had cp9 guard it
thats what caused the void century since the previous user had it awakened and caused the void century

[near osprey]

Luffy's Awakened Devil Fruit turning him into an eraser man is lackluster asf

[night jewel]

yea exactly

[pure raven]

[near osprey]

He gonna give his opponents eraser burns?

[pure raven]

lmao

[pure raven]

erase stuff from existence ? like that type of shit

[near osprey]

Nah

[pure raven]

[near osprey]

He'll either be able to alter shit around him or people

[pure raven]

prob

but him awakening would be a whole new level of awesomeness

[near osprey]

Probably happen during his Kaido fight

[pure raven]

i dont think so hes gonna develop so much in just one fight

[near osprey]

Gear 2nd and 3rd??

Gear 4th Snakeman and advancing his Observational Haki?

[grizzled fog]

..were developed prior to enies lobby

[pure raven]

like in ryou and advanced conquers haki

[near osprey]

Luffy is going to really have to push the envelope if he intends on beating Kaido if all it took was Ryuo Shanks or another Yonko would've done it already.

[grizzled fog]

Well he doesn’t just have Ryuo lol, he has cocting, and the 15 or so people that have dug into kaido as well

[near osprey]

Odds are he'll end up winning because he awakened his DF

[pure raven]

hes using conquerors' haki coating

[near osprey]

I don't imagine Oda will wait another arc for it.

Especially as he's shown off Kidd and Law with Awakened DF Powers

[pure raven]

he might wait for bb vs luffy

[near osprey]

That's way too late to do that.

[grizzled fog]

Why is it too late?

[pure raven]

imo there wouldnt be any fun if everything just happened in one arc

[near osprey]

Because the fight with BB most likely be an arc before the final arc vs the WG

[grizzled fog]

I don’t see why that’s too late

[near osprey]

For Luffy to Awaken his DF?

[grizzled fog]

Yes? What’s the issue with that

[versed hamlet]

Wait pause that isnt too late fym

[pure raven]

same

[near osprey]

That's an absurd amount of time for Oda to wait for the reveal

[versed hamlet]

No?

[near osprey]

Yes

That's not enough time for Luffy to even properly develop skills along with his awakening

[grizzled fog]

? I don’t get this lol. There’s nothing wrong with waiting on luffy’s awakening for an arc or two, he doesn’t have to have it just because law and kid showed it

[versed hamlet]

Bro what

[craggy pumice]

Didn’t Luffy recently learn CoC coating on the spot

[pure raven]

yea

[near osprey]

If Luffy's awakening is introduced during his fight with Kaido that leaves a ton of room for Oda to develop the ability even further, if we had to wait until his fight with BB that'd leave only one more arc to showcase it.

[grizzled fog]

Luffy has pretty much mastered Ryuo in like 2 weeks, and learnt Cocting in less than an hour

[craggy pumice]

Characters can be very fast with such things if Oda wants

[near osprey]

Makes no sense for his awakening to come in so late in the game.

[pure raven]

it makes no sense to hv it all in one arc

[versed hamlet]

Awakening is meant to come in so late, thats the whole point of the ability, it takes tkme for@it to unlock. Compared to kid and law, luffy hasnt had his df for that long

[near osprey]

It'd be a final chapter kinda thing so we'd merely get a glimpse of its capabilities.

[versed hamlet]

Of course they wouldve awakened their fruits before him

[near osprey]

Luffy has had his DF for a long ass time wdym

He got it when Shanks gave him the Straw Hat

[grizzled fog]

Well no, they’ve had their fruits for similar amounts of time to luffy

Law got his a bit later even i think?

[craggy pumice]

Law got it with 13 and now he’s 26, Luffy got it with 7 and now he’s 19

[near osprey]

But I imagine if Oda is going to showcase Law and Kidd with A-DF it won't be much longer until we see Luffy unlock his as well.

[weak arrow]

Law and kid will probably talk to him about it post-raid and then he’ll figure it out for his next fight

[craggy pumice]

Well true, but I imagine he will awaken his df as a consequence during the Kaido fight and figure it out later or something

[sleek torrent]

I feel like if Luffy unlocked it during the BB fight it would be kinda bs for him to master it enough to beat BB with it. He needs time to learn how to use it, or at least use it in one fight before BB.

[grizzled fog]

Luffy learnt cocting after getting hit with Kaido’s club once

He’s now seemingly mastered it as far as we can tell

[sleek torrent]

But he's also been actively attempting to learn/use it, I could be wrong (I just started & caught up pretty recently so it's all a blur) but I don't think he's been actively attempting to awaken his df

[grizzled fog]

He’s been attempting to learn it after he unlocked it, why can’t he learn awakening the same way when he unlocks it

[fathom matrix]

plus a lot of moons

a planet like earth probably can't handle the amount of moons one piece has, so it's also make sense why it would have a lot too

I heard the one piece word is like 10 times bigger than earth or it's around the same size as jupiter

[errant pike]

i think it'll get teased this arc and maybe one or two abilties shown but wont be explored this arc, i agree that its too much to reveal, he's already gotten a massive power up this arc another would be poor writing

[raven pike]

I just realized Kaido knows about the true history before Roger did

[sand sail]

Be nice if you posted an explanation instead of quoting the popular video going around right now

[autumn ridge]

You guys think the manga is going to end soon

[raven pike]

id say 4-5 years more

[pure raven]

maybe in 2 years

[autumn ridge]

I can argue, maybe another 200-300 chapters. Buts that’s just me

[pure raven]

i mean lots of shit needs to happen
luffy and shanks need to reunite
luffy vs blackbeard
zoro vs mihawk and fujitora
luffy vs coby
sanji vs kizaru
dragon vs the world government
imu reveal
sabo/luffy vs akainu
the one piece
another timeskip and all that

[autumn ridge]

Yea

And their might be other events or arcs created between that. Like imagine luffy has to leave his crew, to protect his crew. Something like that would be cool

[raven pike]

nah luffy would never do that 😂 do you even read One Piece?

[autumn ridge]

I’m just saying, that would be a cool concept

[vestal orbit]

maybe with a different character/crew, not with luffy and the straw hats

[autumn ridge]

Here let me just say some ideas
Luffy being captured and the crew try to save him. And the enemy showing how he is torturing luffy

Or gaining a new crew mate and learning about that characters backstory

I’m just trying to say that their are endless ideas for this series to get extended or be longer

[autumn ridge]

Do you agree with these other ideas?

[vestal orbit]

crewmate yea luffy being tortured no one piece getting artificially extended no

like that's just a rehash of the asl backstory + ooc for luffy

[autumn ridge]

Idk how to explain what I’m saying.

[vestal orbit]

and artificial extensions just suck the fun out of the series

[autumn ridge]

And why do you think luffy won’t be tortured/captured?

[vestal orbit]

he could be captured sure

if it plays out like "Luffy being captured and the crew try to save him. And the enemy showing how he is torturing luffy"

that would suck

rehash of asl + ooc for luffy considering his response to pain and how he refused to let the crew worry when he was getting beaten up by katakuri

[autumn ridge]

Oh ok

[vestal orbit]

or maybe i'm just misinterpreting your words, just assumed you were talking about how the straw hats would react to luffy in pain

[autumn ridge]

Nah you right. I’m just asking

[vestal orbit]

alr

[real swan]

Anyone watched LoO's first megatheory video yet?

[junior cape]

no

We usually encourage writing your own here.

But if it's good, I wouldn't mind hearing it

[real swan]

It's essentially the beginning of his megatheory series, but this first part lays out the roadmap of the questions that he will answer and restates what he thinks is Luffy's true goal after he becomes pirate king, throwing the biggest party in the world featuring everybody

[modest skiff]

World's biggest party feels too easy. Not convinced of that

And easy in terms of easy theory, not easy to accomplish

[real swan]

Indeed

But something to keep in mind is that this is the end goal after one piece, so this journey can show that Luffy truly desires peace and fun for everyone.

[modest skiff]

The only thing that makes big party feel decent to me is the fact that I am (baselessly) convinced BM ends up learning Luffy's reason to be pirate king and ends up supporting him. BM's ultimate goal may be related to someone else in history's ultimate goal. If Joyboy dreamed of uniting the world while providing absolute freedom (What Luffy seems to want to do), it is possible BM's goal was inspired by Joyboy

[real swan]

That's an interesting point, and that makes me wonder about Kaido then, since he feels disappointed that Luffy "couldn't become joyboy," yet if joyboy desired peace, why does Kaido feel like it's his duty to rule over everyone else?

[modest skiff]

The language Kaido and BM have both used in relation to domination have been distinctly vague every single time

I’ve been watching the anime and paying extremely close attention. Kaido definitely wants an enormous war but it isn’t clear why. Everything is speculation and I think people are making a mistake by labeling Kaido your typical barbarian. I don’t think Kaido’s intentions are as pure as BM but I am not convinced he’s a shitty Bond villain

2 Kaido clues, imo, are the fact that he is visibly bored and frustrated. I don’t have any firm theories on why Kaido is bored and frustrated but I think they are hints as to his core motivations

[sacred hawk]

I just realized that each member of MADS has their own scientific specialty

Caesar's is chemistry
Judge's is genetics
Queen's is robotics

So what do you think Vegapunk's is?

[modest skiff]

Caesar did genetic stuff too. Judge has more advanced robotic capabilities than Queen. Don’t forget his fleet of robots that can scale the red line. I don’t think the specialties you are describing are accurate

[pastel summit]

Caesar is also not a confirmed member of MADS, and likely wasn't part of it.

Also would definitely not say Queen specializes in robotics. More bioweapons, same as Caesar. Vegapunk seems to to have the most expertise in devil fruits, but also is generally good in every area. All of Franky's weaponry, which frankly is more impressive than anything Queen has shown in terms of weaponry (outside of bioweapons) is stuff Franky made with Vegapunk blueprints. and that's only stuff he thought of as a child. He also worked with Judge on genetics, and the Pacifista are likely a product of that, considering they're most likely all Kuma clones.

[neon shoal]

Vegapunks specialty may be all scientific field as vegapunk successfully created artificial devil fruit, discover sea kings ignore ship with sea stone and other scientific achievements

[sacred hawk]

Those were snails, not robots. Also, I'm judging by their most successful inventions. For Judge, that was the clone army, as well as the enhancements to his children. For Caesar, that was the chemical weapons, as well as all the stuff he does with his DF.

[sacred hawk]

We do know he has some history with Judge though

So it's likely he was a member

[pastel summit]

Oh ye. He was probably an apprentice or something.

Caesar is quite a bit younger than Judge and Queen, and MADS is over 21 yrs old. Caesar would've basically been a child at the time.

[regal niche]

I think it was just a temporary Collab between evil scientist and evil engineer

[real swan]

I definitely agree and pairing him with Orochi does wonders to show us that Kaido actually has a complex thought process about certain things. We are introduced to him being suicidal and mentioning how Whitebeard went out in a legendary way, but then doesn't show much effort after that to try and die. His comments to Luffy and Yamato paint a picture for me that he initially tried to become a joyboy-like figure himself, got frustrated at his lack of understanding of it, and is trying to start a massive war so that he can have an epic legacy.

BM and Kaido aren't too incredibly different when it comes to power, and Rocks might've been the start of this with his motivation to rule the world. BM wants to have a member of every race to rule over, Kaido is currently considered the strongest of all things, and even Whitebeard wanted to have a massive family. These motivations can all possibly be linked to who joyboy was.

[regal niche]

I don't think at this point Kaido's suicide attempt on that day holds much weight anymore. For, iirc, Kaido was in touch with Apoo before their first encounter and he crash landed to recruit/punish kidd-hawkins

[real swan]

Oh, I might not remember correctly but I thought that was random, and apoo sold them out as they got attacked, cause he mentions about Whitebeard being able to die and then proclaiming to joker that they should start a war. Just seemed odd to do all of that is he was just going to attack them anyways.

[mortal field]

The way i see it, Kaido wishes to go out as one of the greats of his generation. Seeing as he deemed Whitebeards death as legendary, due to Whitebeard introducing an entire Pirate generation with his death. Kaido might wish to do the same but rather than introduce a pirate generation, he would become a legacy in it instead

The reasons i think this might be the case are for 2 reasons. For one, his viewing on the new generation is something to note. When he was fighting Luffy, Kaido was both surprised and annoyed at the fact that Luffy as well as Kidd had CoC. Having CoC already makes you an outstanding person, as its something not many people would have, in a way Luffy having this along with Kidd almost seems to tarnish that exact title

If somebody came to you with a special thing, then you see bout 5 other people with it. Youre going to question “how the hell is that even possible???” In the same fashion Kaido does the same.

The second reasoning is the view on pirates from his era, he give praises to Whitebeard, and even gets disappointed when Luffy doesnt seem to fit Joyboys title

People who have a great legacy, is something Kaido looks at and admire. If he starts a way in the similar fashion Whitebeard did, his name and all the things he’s done will go down in history for sure

The issue is that Kaido doesnt have much of a strive for it. Im sure he wants it but look at how he runs Wano

To put in retrospect, BM wants Totto Land to become worldwide. By collecting rare things and such to add to her island. It may not look like much but atleast she’s doing it

Shanks wish to keep an order in the pirate world (i could be wrong) so he stops any events that can dismantle that order, such as stopping Kaido, and even starting the generation of the new world with Luffy

Hell even Blackbeard who wish to create a new dark generation of pirates takes his time to figure when to strike, then execute his plan perfectly

Every pirate has tried and kept going with their ideals, Kaido has not

Kaido has tried to kill himself, start wars, and even take over Wano due to it being special

All of this, yet he has lead nowhere with it. Almost as if the drive is just not enough for him. Maybe he’s just waiting on a certain day to become famous but then why not do it during the Akazaya event? Or the whole 20 year gap that was left with the Akazaya being sent away

Im not saying he doesnt care about being a legacy, but rather his drive for it doesnt exist. Maybe this event going on might push him to do it

Since he plans on turning Wano into a weapon factory, and all that Jazzy nyc

[pure raven]

luffy has been captured and tortured a lot of times, including whole cake island and wano

[ancient vault]

Nah it was planned. Kaido couldve flew there normally tho but he jumped from a sky island to try to die

[real swan]

Ah my bad then

[muted ember]

I think MADS was together on PH 4 years ago

[pastel summit]

Nope. MADS is before Sanji and his brothers were born. So it's at least 21 years ago.

Punk Hazard was a govt facility where Vegapunk and Caesar worked. MADS wasn't a government team.

[mellow sapphire]

I know MADS is some kind of mad scientist group consisting of Queen, Judge, Vegapunk, and probably some other guy

But I can't help but imagine that it's referring to the villains in Mystery Science Theater 3000, collectively known as the Mads

[muted ember]

Before that they were illegal but Niji said they were absorbed into the government. And Punk Hazard had Onigashima next to the WG symbol on the sign

[ancient vault]

It had a oni/ancient giant skull. We dont know if thats onigashima

[muted ember]

Have we seen an ancient giant skull anywhere else? The whole post ts is building towards Wano

[pastel summit]

Only Vegapunk was taken in. Judge escaped. Queen obviously didn't get taken in, he's been with Beast Pirates for quite a while.

[ancient vault]

Kaido bought the numbers at least 20 years ago from PH

[muted ember]

Judge had a spot at the Reverie he clearly was WG affiliated

[ancient vault]

But mads was dissolved at least 24 years ago

[pastel summit]

yes, because Judge is the ruler of Germa Kingdom

[ancient vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813072644807196763/863523417847496724/unknown.png

[ancient vault]

Yes in PH lol

[muted ember]

It says or rather "they were absorbed into the government" just like I said

[ancient vault]

Queen and judge escaped tho

[pastel summit]

Yes, and it also says "Father (Judge) escaped" and obviously Queen does not work for the government

[ancient vault]

The longest queen couldve been with the WG was 1 year because 23 years ago we saw him in wano with kaido.
But queen would never work with them so I think he escaped 24 years ago just like judge

[pastel summit]

The only person we know definitively from MADS that was taken in by the WG was Vegapunk. If we say Caesar was part of it also, then I suppose he would've been too.

while Judge and Queen were not.

[ancient vault]

Kaido was in wano 25 years ago. Possibly queen was already with Kaido 25 years ago? Maybe he left the group before they were even xaught

[muted ember]

Kaido himself works w the government he sells them weapons and seastone

[ancient vault]

Thats not the same as working for them tho

[pastel summit]

Business partners doesn't mean Kaido works for the government lol.

[ancient vault]

Thats a business deal because it benefits him

What queen wouldve done is basically slave work for the WG. Being their puppet

[pastel summit]

This is a weird hill to be dying on.

[muted ember]

So I can just say Queen worked with them instead of for them too

[ancient vault]

But he didnt

He wasnt with them when they dissolved.
Unless he was spying on them for Kaido

[muted ember]

By virtue of being under Kaido he kind of does

[pastel summit]

He really doesn't.

[ancient vault]

Thats such a weird way to phrase it. Are you saying because kaido is in a business deal with the WG queen is now working with them and thats why ur right?

[pastel summit]

Yeah, unless you want to say Queen is a WG mole, then sure I guess? but I strongly doubt that's the case.

[ancient vault]

Matter fact. Your original comment was about it being 4 years sgo

[muted ember]

Why does he have to be a mole when Kaido already cooperates w the government? It could be part of his role on the crew

[ancient vault]

Which is factually wrong.

[pastel summit]

MADS was an independent research team. WG wanted those research materials, so they went after MADS. Judge and Queen left to do their own thing, while Vegapunk (and maybe Caesar) got absorbed into the WG to be government researchers.

[ancient vault]

I doubt caesar was on the team really. Maybe as an assistant or sth

[pastel summit]

Queen is not a government researcher my dude. Kaido just fucking sells seastone and weapons to the WG. They're not co-operating on research materials.

MADS disbanded decades ago. That's an objective fact. If you keep trying to spin around this, there's really no discussion to be had.

The only known person who got taken in as a government researcher from MADS is Vegapunk. Not Judge, and not Queen.

[ancient vault]

Queen was seen with Kaido

Judge we saw with his family

[muted ember]

Judge had a spot at the Reverie he could easily have been doing government research

[ancient vault]

[pastel summit]

okay I'm done, you can keep trying if you want swrml.

[muted ember]

And Kaido was experimented on by Vegapunk at some point so Oda would just need to explain Queen

[ancient vault]

I‘ll say it once.
Choc already explained it to you.

Being in the reverie doesnt mean you work for the WG.
Judge has his own Kingdom. His own country acknowledged by the WG which is why he is allowed to participate in the reverie.
That doesnt mean youre working with them. Im pretty sure they were even thinking about not giving the Germa Kingdom a spot in reverie because of their history.

You get a spot in the reverie for simply existing. The only thing that disqualifies you really is being a pirate or having done sth directly against the WG.

[ancient vault]

How exactly does that matter? Why would he need to explain queen cause Vegapunk experimented on him?

[muted ember]

I'm saying if they were all still together like I'm speculating that's the only gap he would need to fill

Everything else has an easy explanation

[ancient vault]

They werent together when VP experimented on him. Because when VP experimented on Kaido he was working for the WG while Queen and judge were off somewhere else.

[pastel summit]

I think Queen would've been on Wano probably.

Like Kaido may have gone on some solo journey like he did when he fought Kid alliance, but actually have gotten captured, then taken to PH.

Might be when he got the Numbers as well. Just escaped with them.

[ancient vault]

Ur kinda right. Big mom said he bought them but I wonder if he just stole them lol

[ancient vault]

Yeah just wanted emphasize that they were clearly not with Vp because they escaped

[ancient vault]

I hope these marines are on the WG ship

[lime wagon]

it's that zoro?

[ocean marten]

No

[lime wagon]

oh that's cook brother but seem like him

[devout tapir]

yo u guys think shanks is gonna come in act 4 or nah

wano be needing some twists rn

[amber oar]

I don't want to overload Onigashima more of cameos. Plus if an Emperor comes to help it diminishes Luffy, Kid and Law's feat

[waxen dust]

I cant see anyone else coming besides the Revolutionary Army and if they were to come it would only be as a counter against the WG arriving and possibly set up the next arc. But other than that this arc has to end with Wano establishing itself under Luffy’s control. It wouldn’t make sense for anyone else to overshadow the great achievement that the Raid has caused

[muted ember]

Yes

[amber oar]

The only reason I see for the RA to show up in Wano is if they trace the origin of the weapons they looted.

Remember they were in Dressrosa investigating Doflamingo's weapon trade deals. We know Wano exports weapons and Doffy was the broker

[devout tapir]

ye nah i dont think revolutionaries would go to wano thats random af, i was thinking something like act iv would be the defeat of kaido etc and then lucci, like kuma comes to clean everyone up since everyone is already worn out from the raid

and idk some shit happens shanks pulls up and its like 'omg marineford 2.0' xD

[split glacier]

Shanks is too busy protecting Elbaf and the Adam Tree from Blackbeard

[ancient vault]

Which they probably did and blackbeard too thats why shiryu devon and moria will be there together with laffitte maybe

[amber oar]

so do you think that's the "reward" Teach talked about?

[waxen dust]

Nah it’s not because Blackbeard said he wanted to stop the Marines from getting IT. The WG & CP0 are the ones in Wano with relation to the weapons

[ancient vault]

Nope thats sth seperate I think

Well not sure. It depends on when he said that. Or more precisely when exactly morgans news came out

[ancient vault]

They raided baltigo and found the weapons

[ancient vault]

Whats IT

[waxen dust]

Yeah I know they found the weapons in Baltigo cuz of Burgess, but that’s not the reward BB was talking about during Act 2, think IT is more so referring to Pluton. The weapons could be an entirely different story than BB’s main focus thus why Moria & Co. could be on their way to Wano.

[ancient vault]

I dont get what you mean by IT

[ancient vault]

But I agree with the last part

Oh wait you mean „it“ but youre just exaggerating

[amber oar]

For a moment I was wondering if the news of Sabo is dropping the day after Onigashima, but no, because in the same chapter Drake is seen talking with Coby about Kaido and BM's alliance and Drake thinks Luffy is still imprisoned

[modest skiff]

We know that Shiki and Toki both knew serious shit happens in 20 years. Is it possible the rev army declared war when they did, specifically because of what THEY ALSO know happens in 20 years? Perhaps Wano is a part of this and it is why the WG is making a play for Wano. I think we should be considering/wondering why the rev army declared war when they did. If Shiki knew about something in 20 years, I bet Dragon does too

[waxen dust]

It, whatever that could be lol

[waxen dust]

20 years for Shiki is Pre TS iirc, but yeah everything else with the Revs is perfect timing because I assume Dragon knows things beyond our scope of understanding in the story so far. I can see the Revs making a move in Wano if it’s at the means of confronting the WG directly, otherwise it will be another arc down the road

[modest skiff]

oh dang, my bad

I need to get my timelines straight

[waxen dust]

don’t worry, Shiki gonna be the 10th BB commander so he still gonna have his plan set in motion

[ancient vault]

But the same chapter the kings leave reverie 7 days after it ended meaning on the day of the raid

And then theres a small little flashback. That says „earlier in time“ and is about morgans and his news. But we dont know how early earlier in time is. Its vague and thats annoying

[ancient vault]

Wait i just realised. This goes perfectly with Kaido too

[modest skiff]

yeah

[amber oar]

Those guys look grim, they saw some shit

[ancient vault]

Genius mohdoo

[modest skiff]

Kaido definitely knows there's something going on, you and I have talked about that before

[waxen dust]

yeah Dragon definitely knows things are about to pick up, it’s definitely reasonable to consider them appearing Wano to counter the WG

[modest skiff]

The revs have been very specific that they are against the CDs, not the various islands of the world, so it would make sense for them to try to hamper their efforts in Wano

[waxen dust]

exactly Moo lol

[amber oar]

can't be much earlier because it's Morgans preparing the newspaper and the other pages are people reading it. They're supposed to release daily. And Stelly reads it while already on the ship

So the incident must have happened shortly before everyone left

[modest skiff]

Related to my thoughts on Shiki, can someone please confirm when "20 years" is, relative to when he is talking to that science man on his tower? It does not appear to be specified. This makes me think it is intentional.

[amber oar]

Look, when Kaido does the announcement, he already knows the warlords were disbanded

[night jewel]

I think with shiki, those 20 years already passed 2 years ago

[amber oar]

20 years is a rough number, could be 18 or 22

Like the seakings saying "10 years to be born, 15 years to grow" about Shirahoshi. We know it was actually 9 and 16

[waxen dust]

Pretty sure 20 years is in reference to Pre Time Skip, BUT since it’s own chapter Oda can make it that the 20 years be in reference to Post TS.

[modest skiff]

So then this to me implies that Shiki perhaps instead knew about the fissure that would result from Ace's execution. It could be that Marineford, in terms of some kind of prophecy, is considered the birth of Joyboy, because it was when Luffy realized how "real" everything is. This is a bit of a stretch, but my impression has been that Shiki is looking for an ally against the CDs. If he read something about "Joyboy's will is set in the year (blank)" then perhaps Shiki was like "Aight I just gotta chill on this island with a bunch of animals for 20 years and then we ally against the CDs"

[night jewel]

seems like shiki simply could not have just made a move until 20 years passed because his plan simply doesnt fully reach completion until that time

[modest skiff]

Right, but it isn't clear what he's waiting 20 years for. I think it is a person or ancient weapon, not something he is actively building

[night jewel]

difficult to say if he knew about some specific thing that would have happened 20 years later i think, its more like he had little choice as dr. indigo implies

[modest skiff]

I think all the Rocks pirates know a great deal

[soft cloud]

which chapter?

[night jewel]

he was waiting for the animal mutation experimentation to complete, that was his entire plan

chapter 0

[soft cloud]

ohh ty

[night jewel]

np

even if we were to completely discard what film strong world did despite the fact that the entire script was solely written by oda, it is clear that he he chose 20 years because of indigo, how his research and all simply won't complete anytime before 20 years

or well, i keep saying 20 years but its more like 22 now

[modest skiff]

I never saw strong world, but my impression was that it isn't canon, but Oda wrote it, so I can't help but squint my eyes. But if Oda released it as a movie, would seem weird for it to just be repeated in the anime. Why make the movie and not just throw it in the anime?

[gray creek]

What’s the difference? Either way it’s filler material

[modest skiff]

When we are trying to ascertain the motivations of a character, the motivations described in strong world are potentially relevant

[ancient vault]

okay and?
The news were before the raid obviously. They still couldve been on the same day. Or one day before that. Technically Teach shouldnt be able to reach wano in just a day tho

[modest skiff]

If Kaido wanted to die, and simple as that, I think he'd just jump in the ocean or just go attack marineford by himself. I basically reject the idea that he was suicidal. I think it is POSSIBLE he saw some selfish benefit to dying, or being pushed to the brink of death. Someone around here once mentioned the idea that perhaps Xebec thought Kaido might be Joyboy and that these expectations made him depressed from being a failure. I still think the epic war has a purpose beyond war.

What I have long believed is that Kaido knows roughly the situation "new dawn" where Joyboy shows up. He knows that Joyboy ends up being some kind of amazingly transformative impact on the world. And he probably knows Joyboy is somehow involved with Wano. So taking over Wano and building a huge army to go dethrone the CDs sounds like a great way to end up on Joyboy's radar. Joyboy hated the CDs and Joyboy likes Wano.

Potential reasons why:

1. Rocks pirates were all informed why killing them at all costs is valid. Xebec shared all sorts of stories about the last 900 years which made BM, Kaido, Shiki and WB all sign up. BM and WB would not have signed up at that stage in their lives without it feeling like a noble cause. So whatever the case, I think Xebec had noble intentions in destroying the CDs. Perhaps Kaido knows Joyboy is the one who defeats the CDs, so he wants to meet and ally with him

2. Joyboy has the secret to x or y ancient technology/weapon. If he can capture Joyboy, he can rule the world. Don't like this theory

3. The reason Kaido has always been captured but never killed is that he gets stronger the longer a fight goes on. You essentially need to incapacitate/stun him, you can't beat him through pain. If you just punch him forever, you eventually lose. Kaido wants to be directly in Joyboy's cross-hair by dominating Wano since he knows Joyboy eventually helps open Wano. This could also relate to Kaido wanting a glorious death. If he knows Joyboy is the strongest man in the world, well that means he will beat Kaido's ass for conquering and enslaving Wano.

Shiki wanted to destroy the CDs. BM wants a member of every race in her kingdom. WB wants a huge family. All of these people came from the Rocks pirates and all of them clearly have ethics guiding their decisions. I don't think Xebec wanted to be a king. I think he wanted nations to be free of rule, just like Luffy. Luffy specifically tells Rayleigh when Rayleigh tries to see if Luffy wants to rule. Rayleigh smiles when Luffy says he doesn't want to rule, he wants to be free.

In this attached image, Xebec is among people who we all know to be "good". I think Sengoku and others were highly skeptical of Xebec and were too blind to see overthrowing the CDs was the right call. Sengoku and Garp are cowards.

Xebec really sticks out in this image, based on what Sengoku has said. I think its simply wrong. I think the Rocks pirates were freedom fighters, not bond villains

[mortal field]

The reason Kaido cant die in an ocean is because his df is a fish df

Only thing that would happen is him sinking to the bottom, similar fashion with Jack whdn Zou attacked him

[modest skiff]

Ok that's fair, but there are still a million other ways to die if you want to

"Hey King can you chop my head off"

[fathom matrix]

I agree Kaido's not scuicidal, but because he seems to have no fear of death and not a lot of peeps can harm him, he just sees what can do damage or perhaps kill him

[modest skiff]

He was terrified when Oden was about to kill him

[fathom matrix]

True, maybe because back then he was shocked to see imagine someone like that could hurt him

[waxen dust]

Kaido is the Joyboy Gatekeeper

[modest skiff]

It looked like Akainu vs WB, like downright terror. I think Kaido fears death. The other theory is that after Kaido's life was saved through underhanded tactics (which is why he killed the old woman) his life felt empty and meaningless. He began to wish he died, because he deserved to, so all of this has felt like an abomination

[left needle]

guys listen to this : zoro needs 3 great grade swords so they become black blades and supreme grade by eos. right now he only has 2, with the sandai kitetsu being the only one that has to be replaced. we know he has to get the nidai kitetsu. here is my theory - zoro will have to fight sanji at the end of the onigashima battle, and sanji awakened his exoskeleton, so what will happen is that the sandai will break when zoro hits sanji with it then he gets the nidai.

[muted ember]

I think King will break the Sandai

[real swan]

I really like this explanation and it helped remind me that the info we have been given on Rocks so far has also come from Sengoku himself, someone who will obviously be biased against the pirates. It's becoming clear that the main objective needs to be the removal of celestial dragons.

And your points about Kaido seem quite logical, we know from his talks with Yamato and Luffy that he's waiting for a joyboy figure and that he needs wano for a specific reason, I like the idea that he's taking wano to kinda draw joyboy out towards him.

At this point a flashback of his time with the rocks pirates will most likely be the most relevant dump of lore/history that we need. Especially without it coming from the point of view of the Marines.

[modest skiff]

Agreed, I think Xebec will be shown to be a really cool/inspirational dude which will be intended as a bit of a crazy twist.

But for Xebec/BB apologists like myself, we've been waiting for that moment for so long

Imagine if the marines described Luffy 20 years from now. Sengoku would talk about how Luffy was a deranged menace and left destruction in his wake.

[real swan]

I like the idea that xebec is just extremely charismatic and powerful, and the future yonko of his crew + Blackbeard just interpreted his views differently, hence why we get someone nicer like Whitebeard then some wanting to dominate others brutally.

[ancient vault]

And hes evil

[ancient vault]

I dont think its biased to assume that Xebecs is evil when he was literally killing innocent slaves lol

[real swan]

Very true lol, again tho that's why we really need an actual flashback and not the words of someone who enabled mass slavery himself.

But either way he still has to be charismatic enough to have multiple volatile personalities on board with him.

[modest skiff]

I'd kill 100 slaves over and over if it meant saving thousands.

[ancient vault]

I didnt get the sense of Xebecs trying to save slaves when Garp had to protect all CDs and all slaves

[ancient vault]

You can be 100% evil and still be charismatic

Look at doffy

[muted ember]

Saving the CDs is perpetuating slavery it doesn't really save slaves

[modest skiff]

We are reading the situation differently. I interpreted this to be a situation where he was willing to kill innocents for a greater good

[muted ember]

I mean ig it's better than dying but still questionable

[paper oasis]

Do you guys reckon Sanji quitting smoking could be a huge character development for him, since the only reason he started was bc he felt he needed to make himself seem manly and worth keeping in the baratie, especially after his family told him he was worthless.

I think if there was a time for it, it would be after discarding his germa suit

[muted ember]

I would like that

[ancient vault]

He protected both. Most likely because Xebec was going crazy and planning on killing everybody lol

[muted ember]

Smoking is bad

I don't think Xebec was evil I think it's propaganda

[real swan]

Yea I think in this case it's just two evils duking it out, with slaves getting screwed over either way.

[ancient vault]

Blackbeard being the one to inherit xebecs will seals the deal for me

We dont need every past big Person to be a good guy. We can have the Teach of the past Era to

[muted ember]

Open hostility towards the world government is pretty much exactly how they describe the Revs I would have to think Dragon is evil to just accept Sengoku's claims

Blackbeard is too young to have inherited Xebec's will imo. When we see characters that inherit another's will that person is influential in the formative years of their life

Luffy/Ace, Law/Corazon, etc

[heady parrot]

i mean luffy carrying the will of joy boy kinda debunks that

[modest skiff]

I think Xebec was intending to carry on Joyboy's legacy and I think BB fancies himself a Joyboy.

[fringe elm]

Hey guys, any theories on luffys awakening?

[muted ember]

Giant Luffy

[modest skiff]

1. Luffy awakening is an eraser and he can either erase history or people or something. Don't like this

2. Luffy awakening is the only hard-counter to BB fruit and the only way to protect Marie Jois from the Yami. The yami can't suck things in if they just stretch, so if the gomu user can turn Marie Jois into rubber, Yami is useless

3. Gomu is necessary to unlock something important left by the AK. One of my theories is it either allows the user to expand a portal or gateway or treasure chest such that it can be used. If one of these things was the size of a grain of sand, it couldn't be used. But if you turn it into rubber and expand it, you can go through it or open it or whatever

4. Something to do with turning water into rubber unlocking something deep under the ocean. Or similarly, something high up in the area above skypiea

[hollow grotto]

Was it ever confirmed who Doflamingo was referring to when he said, "No, higher up than that...!!" during this scene? It's likely to be the Gorosei as we know but could he have been referring to Im? They seem to be the one who 'extinguishes the light' on certain individuals.

[weak arrow]

No. It could really be either.

[hollow grotto]

Yeah, really it's an issue of being so vague that you could twist it and try shouting or it literally just being the Gorosei

[ancient vault]

the cp0 guy that gave him orders

[dense carbon]

I kinda wish it had explained that a little bit more, but thats ok

[ancient vault]

He probably told doffy stop questioning its an order from higher up.

[hollow grotto]

Thanks, didn't know if that was ever explained or not

[ancient vault]

well it wasnt and ur assumption can still be right. Im just saying I dont think he got that exact order from the higher up directly but more so the cp0 guy told doffy its an order from higher up

The most sense make the gorosei

[hollow grotto]

I just started thinking that it might've been foreshadowing but the quote is too vague

Too many people other than Im it could be to try and justify their existance before the chapter they were revealed in, ah well

would've been a nice detail

[modest skiff]

Its a very vague quote so all we can really do is shrug and wait for them to tell us

[neon shoal]

Wasnt this guy who order doflomingo?

[hollow grotto]

I don't know if it was confirmed he was the one who made it. He could just be a figurehead for the people who made the order (most likely the Gorosei)

[neon shoal]

Yeah maybe

[wintry lake]

What’s the one piece?

[junior cape]

Good question👍

[shadow ruin]

Is sabo gonna die

[weak arrow]

no

[merry goblet]

[real swan]

Throwing my ridiculous idea out there and say that one piece is joyboy's invitation to a massive gathering/party. His kingdom developed the ancient weapons not to be weapons but to help bring everyone together, and used their will to create 'the voice of all things' as a universal language to be used by all, since no matter what situation someone is in or who they are born to, all people share the ability to use haki or impose their will onto things.

Other kingdoms/nobles saw the developments of these things as a hidden threat/way for the AK to secretly discuss a plot to rule the world, and had the AK destroyed due to their paranoia.

The reason Roger can only laugh is because the entire reason the AK was destroyed and the WG created was over a misunderstanding. Joyboy infused his will into the final polneglyph/invitation and those with the VoaT can listen to him.

While yea it's not entirely original as many others share the party/uniting seas theory, I think it can be further used to explain the VoaT and how the void century began as well.

[modest skiff]

I really like all of this except the party

[real swan]

I do agree that the party is probably the weakest part of the theory, and Luffy already had party stuff taken care of, tho I am subscribed to the world peace idea. At this point I'm just more interested in haki and voice of all things than I am the actual one piece lol.

[modest skiff]

I think Luffy wants world freedom rather than peace. Luffy essentially wants people to be able to make as many decisions they want. I think everything about the current government, other than CDs+Navy is ideal for Luffy and likely Joyboy as well. I think Xebec shared this vision and it is why WB/BM followed him.

I particularly like your theory regarding VOAT. I think it is one of the hardest to rationalize concepts but the idea of universal communication makes a lot of sense. I wonder if it is possible that the language spoken all around the world is because the WG eliminated other languages. Hmmm. The fact that Seakings seem to use VOAT as their primary method of communication with each other feels like a clue. Momo being special with regards to VOAT also feels significant. To our knowledge, people just kinda have voat or they don't. It doesn't seem like Conq haki where you awaken it through some emotional event, like Doffy/Yamato. I still feel like there is something I am not considering. I don't think Seakings know when someone can hear them. If they knew Roger could hear him, but chose not to engage, that would be interesting in itself. Perhaps another thing worth considering is the Seakings seem to know when things will happen. Universal voice of all things and knowledge of the future indicates to me that there was some previous tier of existence that is now rare or almost wiped out.

Oh oh, maybe VOAT is how seakings, whales and humanoids communicate?

[real swan]

Oh I definitely think that too, even Luffy says the pirate king gets to be the most free man in the world, so he clearly values it. I just think he also really enjoys partying and like the idea that he will close off his victory with a massive party.

I'm thinking that the VoaT is something all creatures of the world can do and is their version of imposing will onto other things, and when they want to they can specifically target certain people to hear them and develop the language, like how zunsha reached out to momo. Which gives the impression to me that modern humans definitely weren't the first people there. Perhaps the original rulers/races like you mentioned did speak with VoaT before WG wiped them out.

I like your idea about seakings and whales using it, those 2 specifically have been more significant narrative-wise than other sea creatures.

[wicked charm]

Krakens might be important too

[real swan]

Oh yeah, but surume (sp?) is the only one we've seen right?

[modest skiff]

The thing that throws my “ocean folks use VOAT” theory into the trash can is the fact that no fishmen have been seen using VOAT

[sand sail]

There's also the lack of anyone in Fishman Island being able to hear the seakings around, minus Shirahoshi

[modest skiff]

I need to closely inspect the panels where Shirahoshi summons the seakings. I don’t think it’s that they heard her voice

[modest skiff]

Yeah that too

[sand sail]

Nah, they hear her "Voice", the emanation of her that people seem to be "hear" with observation haki

Or, that's how I took it at least

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I like the idea of VOAT just being the former planet dwellers language. But I’ve long assumed fishmen were long time inhabitants and they don’t seem to widely use it

[modest skiff]

Yeah, this fits with what I have began to assume during this conversation. But without re reading the panels it was just conjecture

Also consistent with Momo commanding Zunesha

[wicked charm]

chap 625

[modest skiff]

Thanks for finding this. Since she wasn’t actually calling for them and was crying for her mother, this supports what bean was saying. When she projects her will/emotions, seakings come running, anxious to serve. Very similar to Momo being like “GO SLAP JACK”

[wicked charm]

also momo could see through Zuneshas eyes, the sea kings mightve "seen" through Shirahoshis eyes as well

I'm slowly starting to believe that Momo is one of the ancient weapons. Then one of the ancient weapons that Big Mom and Kaido seek is right under their noses.

[modest skiff]

This supports my theory that people who have gotten the op op surgery have those eyes, such as Mihawk and Imu

I think Momo is related to an ancient weapon but I’m not 100% sold on him being an ancient weapon. Hmmm

[wicked charm]

the sea king in the top left of the bottom panel has the same eye patterns, but that might just be Oda adfing variety to the designs

[modest skiff]

Oh whoa I didn’t catch that. I still think it can be true. I can think of plenty of reasons the people who were allied with Seakings would make one have eternal life. For example it could be to have permanent memory of the void century

[safe snow]

Do we know how many ancient weapons are there??

1.) Pluton
2.) Poseidon
3.) Uranus

Something else???

[copper frost]

three ancient weapons all of which you mentioned

[safe snow]

I've got a theory that the Thousand Sunny is the pluton or Franky remembers the blueprints and will build it sometime before the final war

[ancient vault]

Yeah thats a pretty common and popular theory

[merry crescent]

Conspiracy theory

[amber oar]

Franky said he "made" the blueprints, so no, the Sunny is not Pluton
BUT it could have some elements of it

[pastel summit]

Iceburg probably would've realized honestly. I'm not a huge fan of a theory that makes out Iceburg as a mega retard who couldn't figure out Franky's absolutely brilliant plan of implementing Pluton into the Sunny. They're comparably just as intelligent as each other, Iceburg honestly more so than Franky. Franky was shown as the creative mind type, but Iceburg was definitely more detail oriented. There's no way he wouldn't recognise what Franky was doing if Pluton was honestly being incorporated into the Sunny. and there really hasn't been much time for Franky to do some massive overhaul to the Sunny.

[naive ravine]

so the Sunny basically just an overshadowing material for the reveal of Pluton

[pure raven]

I am pretty sure that Pluton is somewhere in alabasta

Even the wiki says that

[ancient vault]

The wiki is also wrong

It was never said. Theyre just assuming

[nimble thistle]

Pluton is said to be an absolutely massive warship. The only actually massive ship I've seen is The Noah, and it's parked near FMI and has been for centuries.

There's probably not a whole lot of places once can hide an undeniably huge-in-scale warship for centuries. If it wasn't for knowing that The Noah is actually a regular, but huge, passenger ship... 🤷

[pastel summit]

It being under Alabasta is pretty believable. Water 7 is built on top of another city entirely. I can easily believe centuries of sand build up would be enough to deeply bury a ship. On top of the fact it was likely already hidden at the end of the void century anyway.

[ancient vault]

Never said its not believable. Its just not a fact like the wiki spparently makes it out to be

[pure raven]

The Sunny-Pluton thing doesn't make too much sense to me since the Sunny is pretty clearly meant by Franky to be a successor to the Oro Jackson, his mentor's masterpiece ship.

[wary fossil]

Sunny isn’t Pluton, but it is possible that it is the anti-Pluton. No way Franky would build it after everything with Tom and Iceberg, and Franky is a talented enough shipwright to make a counter to Pluton.

[low swallow]

Wasn't Pluton the anti-Pluton? I mean the whole point of the blueprints were as a counter measure to if someone got their hands on Pluton and ran amok

[wary fossil]

Not necessarily. They kept the blueprints so that future generations would know the inner workings of Pluton and how to counter/destroy it, not necessarily to build another one.

[low swallow]

They specifically said it in that arc, that was the only reason they didn't destroy it.

I'll go see if I can scrounge up some panels

[junior temple]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the blueprints were an opposing force to the real Pluton

[wary fossil]

At no point does he directly say another Pluton would be built to counter Pluton in this section

[junior temple]

In the panels I posted above both Iceberg and Franky say that the Blueprints are some sort of opposing force to the real weapon

[wary fossil]

They just need to know how Pluton works and what it does so that the brilliant shipwrights of Water 7 could construct a “counter force”

[low swallow]

"... someone will go berserk with power, another weapon will be needed to stop you." I guess you can interpret it as they will make a different weapon that can overpower the Ancient Weapon Pluton, but then there will not be much distinction between the weapon Pluton and weapon they made in terms of destructiveness. I always thought it was something similar to nuclear stockpiling. You get bomb, I get bomb kind of thing.

You could also interpret it as making a weapon that can specifically take down Pluton, but not much else, which you seem to be subscribing to. But if the weapon they made won't be on Pluton's scale of large scale danger and will only do major damage to Pluton for some reason, then they would have had no qualms in making them in the first place @wary fossil

[wary fossil]

Ofc they would have qualms making it as the whole point is that things as powerful as Pluton need to be handled with great care. This mirrors Franky’s backstory with the battle frankys

Franky understands above all how dangerous a powerful ship can be

[low swallow]

I meant they would have no qualms with making the countermeasure if it wasn't as powerful as Pluton and wouldn't do outside damage

[wary fossil]

Yes they would, as the counter is likely also a powerful weapon that can be abused in the wrong hands

[low swallow]

Exactly, bringing it back to point 1. If the destructive power of the countermeasure and the Pluton are similar then there is little distinction for all intents and purposes

[wary fossil]

They don’t have to be similar to be of equal power

[modest skiff]

My assumption has always been that Franky took inspiration from Pluton and that the Gao canon is related to Pluton, but the sunny is not pluton. It is possible the sunny has the underlying capability to be suped up into pluton, but I don’t think it already is

[wary fossil]

Roger isn’t the same as Whitebeard

[low swallow]

Yah, but the problem here isn't that it is the Pluton, the problem is that it is a weapon of mass destruction.

[wary fossil]

So are all battleships in op. Pluton just happens to be extremely powerful

[modest skiff]

One of my Pluton theories is that it is based on the knock up stream and emulates that process through some artificial mechanism. I think it can be used to destroy islands but I don't think that was its original purpose. I think it can be used as a means of transportation to the white sea (and perhaps beyond). I think it is possible the wrong person got their hands on it and used it for destruction. I am honestly skeptical that any of the 3 ancient weapons are exclusively weapons. I think they are just very powerful people/things which can be used either constructively or destructively.

[wary fossil]

Isn’t that most of the theories of the weapons?

[low swallow]

Yah, I also think the ancient weapons won't be exlusively weapons. We do know that Pluton is a ship though

The nature of the ship hasn't been discussed yet and I doubt fitting it with guns would put it in a different level of danger.

[modest skiff]

Heck if I know, I just read this channel

[wary fossil]

After Shirahoshi reveal, most people assume the weapons aren’t actually weapons and are just very powerful

[modest skiff]

yeah, makes sense

[bitter kraken]

Uranus is Enel

[wary fossil]

Many people also believe Momo is uranus

[sinful helm]

And Vivi is Pluto aka Anubis death god in Egyptian mythology

[polar gust]

my anus is not enel

[bitter kraken]

Weird fuck

[polar gust]

jesus, take a chill pill

[sand sail]

Go ahead and read the channel description for me.

[polar gust]

my bad

[undone cliff]

I dont understand how pluton couldnt be a warship

There are blueprints for it

Unless maybe you need someone to power it or something

[junior temple]

I mean the blueprints are the opposing force for the real thing

But yea I’m like 99% sure it something that is or is similar to a ship

[rough imp]

waittt

why does nobody believe in the theory that the 4 road ooneglyphs lead to rafael which is under ernie’s lobby

[amber oar]

!denieslobby

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[dark magnet]

Theory: the One piece is where roger and garp fought xebex

Theory: Koby and Luffy could team up in the future to take down Blackbeard

[bitter kraken]

Okay so pluton is something man made since there are blue prints for it, and Poseidon is a living being, Uranus is prolly something from Mother Nature a great equalizer fo keep the other weapons on check like an extremely powerful DF Enels fits the bill. It can destroy islands, I imagine it could destroy a war ship and kill sea kings by electricity running through the ocean

[sand sail]

It wouldn't be a devil fruit, otherwise by default it'd have to be the Gura Gura

[wintry lake]

One piece makes you swim again

[bitter kraken]

I’m the right hands the goro goro eats the gura gura 😎

[wintry lake]

Weevil gets gura gura eventually

Maybe Oda making a sad one piece end, could be that luffy sacrifice for sea freedom

[flint shuttle]

wouldn't it be funny if black beard was joy boy

[modest skiff]

I think BB thinks he is Joyboy. Unclear how much evidence he has.

[flint shuttle]

i doubt the way the story will go it would have a twist of expectations like that

honestly more of a thought that theory

[covert hazel]

Joyboy will be the one to free Wano imo

That'd explain why Kaido said 'guess you couldn't be joyboy' after knocking Luffy off the island

It also grants Kaido his wish, if he knows Joyboy will unite Wano against the world then he can surely earn a great death

[flint shuttle]

yeah thats the part that i was thinking of that BB wouldn't do that

[pastel summit]

Joyboy isn't the one who would free Wano, because Wano was never oppressed until 25-30 yrs ago.

[wary fossil]

Wano had been in an isolation period before Orochi became Shogun

[pastel summit]

Yes, but they didn't need to be "freed", they voluntarily were in that state.

[gray creek]

Mushy’s post stands if we just change that to “open Wano”

[pastel summit]

but if we go by Oden's word, Joyboy isn't the person who will open it either. He's just the reason why it should be opened. More than likely, it was closed to protect itself from the WG, and it only would be opened again when "Joyboy" reappears, likely as someone who opposes/defeats the WG.

[sand sail]

By Oden's word, the Kozuki are the ones who are actually supposed to open it. So, it should fall to Momonosuke specifically now

IIRC, they're the ones who closed it originally, right?

But yeh, Joyboy was never supposed to free Wano, Wano had to be free for Joyboy

[wary fossil]

Yes Wano “voluntarily” isolated themselves

In quotes because they might have been left with no other option than to isolate or be extinguished

[pastel summit]

I mean, they would be as extinguished as FMI or Jaya. Which is to say, they would probably exist, but all knowledge of their connection to the AK except the poneglyphs would be gone.

[modest skiff]

I thought Wano had to be open for Joyboy, not necessarily free. I don't think they have specified free=open. Perhaps I am wrong

[sand sail]

Yeh, I was mostly equating the two terms, but open would presumably mean they're also relatively free again too

[modest skiff]

yeah, I can't help but squint my eyes at the exact language. I think its conceivable Wano needs to be open so Joyboy can do something very important for Wano/the world. Whether that is saving it, or something else, heck if I know

[sand sail]

Yeh, it's just at this point opening does come with the requirement of freeing the whole country first as well is all

[pastel summit]

I don't think so honestly. It being "open" is more of a formality than anything. If we go with Luffy is/will become Joyboy, what exactly does opening it change? Luffy came in when it was still closed border, and probably its most oppressive regime in its history. Opening the borders for Joyboy is probably more like "omg you're joyboy? pls come in have a drink. do you want some food? wow omg cant believe joyboy is at wano so glad our borders were open so he could come in properly"

[sand sail]

It wasn't originally the necessity, but Orochi forced that into place unfortunately

[sand sail]

True, it could also be that Wano needs to have some relationship to the world at large as well for some reason

Not for economics, but there may be something in the country that Joyboy would need to come in and carry out to Laugh Tale

[gray creek]

That’s the most reasonable assumption. Wano has a grander part to play in the coming conflict and needs to open it’s borders in order to fulfill that. Momo’s reaction to the journal is pretty telling, in that regard

[pastel summit]

I mean it could be. but at the end of the day, unless it's actually some physical change in the landscape of Wano that enables it to become more open, opening it specifically for joyboy is just a formality.

[sand sail]

Yeh, Oden specified the borders, not like destroying the waterfall or anything

[gray creek]

But to Choc’s point, that wouldn’t be anything more than a change in policy. I’m starting to think it could be lowering the island

[pastel summit]

the context in which Oden said it may not be the context in which whatever Kozuki Tempura said 800 yrs ago or w/e. Because Oden says it in a context in which the Kozuki are no longer ruling. They no longer had the power to even make that formal change. So the meaning is more "We need to be the ones in charge or else joyboy may not even come here" while Tempura might've been like "We'll remain closed, until someone can take up the helm of joyboy and defeat the World Government"

[covert hazel]

Yeah that doesn't make much sense. Perhaps it's more along the line of joyboy will unite the world including wano against wg, or whatever it was back then

[heady parrot]

we do know there’s a safer entrance through the back and assuming the strawhats win and momo becomes shogun, they’d have control over that spot and could use that as the main entrance .

[pastel summit]

yeah that's kinda the point I was making. There's a secret entrance that "joyboy" could always use, so opening the borders is more or less a formality. It serves no real practical purpose in regards to opening it specifically for joyboy.

[modest skiff]

I think there is something special about opening Wano's borders and a secondary effect of doing that thing is important for something Joyboy needs to do. One of my billions of theories regarding the opening of Wano is that Wano will need to be evacuated for (blank) reason and that is a big reason it needs to be opened. Both Oden and Momo were like when they learned why they need to open Wano. It gave me the impression they were both like "oh shit wano is screwed if we don't open it up". My favorite theory is that the volcano erupts on a fixed schedule and when it goes off, anyone who is still there is gonna get cooked.

[wary fossil]

Opening the borders is more than a formality

[pastel summit]

I mean sure, this is possible, but it also really has nothing to do with opening the borders, it's just evacuating the people. Which I mean... if Oden knew 25 yrs ago that some disaster would happen which would eradicate the population of Wano, it'd be weird that he told no one and just only said some cryptic shit like "open the borders" which is not something you'd associate with "evacuate the country"

[waxen dust]

you never read that Reddit theory yet? Think that will answer why Wano is so special

[junior cape]

These dino attacks are fucking hilarious. Anyways, I did not expect drake and apoo to fight CP0, but it makes a ton of sense. Both are informants, and don't want that leaving the room, plus CP0 wants them dead anyway. As for Orochi, I think Komurasaki is gonna cut him down with the nidai kitetsu

[copper palm]

Ok Brainstorming theory because of 1032: It is now a recurring theme of Ancient Zoan users to claim outragiously weird things about their fruit are natural (Snake Brachio , Slinghot Pteradon, Heliceratops) what if the Devil Fruits are just Weapons created by the Ancient kingdom and these weird anomalies are just because they werent sure what the actual dinosaurs actually were like . Kind of similiar how we dont understand many Dinosaurs Biology today

[vestal orbit]

yea was starting to think along those lines as well

not necessarily the weapon bit, just the whoever made these had no idea what they were doing bit

[copper palm]

Yeah especcialy since in dont think they are Cybernetik enhancements since i dont really believe King would allow Queen to modify him

[pure raven]

This might be a bit crazy

but what if, the more advanced Zoans... Kinda like... Evolve?

Snakes are evolved from Dinosaurs/old lizard of sorts until they eventually did lose their stuff. The slingshot head thing is a huge ??? but just some speculation

[vestal orbit]

i don't see how a helicopter could have evolved to/from a triceratops lol

[mortal field]

I said this before but i think it allows the user full control of their body

[vestal orbit]

we've already seen an ability like that in cp9's life return, i don't think a fruit would grant a whole separate ability?

[mortal field]

I mean like animal body

[junior cape]

I think Enma reacted to Komurasaki specifically. Its gonna lead to Zoro unlocking his true swordsman potential in this fight, whether that be turning a blade permanently black, or learning to infuse things with conquerors haki

Enma's reaction is also interesting, since it's what happened when Zoro first used it. It sucked out everything, turned his arm into a husk. However, I think the kickback from Enma will be much larger than before if he cant control his conquerors haki

[void trout]

Here this page is gold. When Zoro is talking about king. Oda is literally talking about Zoro. The irony.

[opaque ember]

Black beard is lactose intolerant its a cannon thing that milk regrows/fixes bones such as teeth but black beard still has the same teeth missing that would mean he has consumed 0 milk between marine fort and wano over 2 years which would imply he has a milk weakness

[digital tapir]

Weren’t his teeth full at one point post TS

[opaque ember]

i dont think so

[digital tapir]

Yeah in 581

[opaque ember]

chapter or episode

[digital tapir]

Chapter it’s pre TS actually but

[opaque ember]

ok

[pure raven]

I still feel king is not going 100 percent he is only using his devil fruit ablity which is really creepy hens mocking zoro, I mean queen showcased his most of the cards jack didn't got the chance (trash) and king is fighting more cautiously or maybe I should say he is more CALM like katakuri, king only showed anger only once similar to what happened in luffy vs katakuri

[ancient vault]

He isnt. Hes lowkey trolling zoro

[outer shell]

He's lowballing Zoro, and that will be his mistake that Zoro will use against him

[pure raven]

Zoro dialog seems sus, I mean why he need to know kings race to defeat him all he need is to cut him like zoro always do Or is it something related with haki

[sonic junco]

Yea I was wondering that too. Why is he worried about the fire on his back lol

Like it’s doing something to him

[copper palm]

Well King seems to have strange abilities beyond haki thanks to his race and since Zoro doesnt know that he is a Lunarian or even what that would mean so knowing what your opponent is would definitly be a great help

[modern bridge]

Why isn't Zoro using Conqueror's Haki coated attacks?

[copper palm]

Nah i dont think he can use it reliably yet

[crimson loom]

ah King body is probably flames, so zoro have to use flame cutting attacks

[pure raven]

I mean king really using his df the only thing that fire is doing is distracting zoro

[copper palm]

Yeah had a similar thought since Kinemon can cut fire and i dont remember if he tought that to zoro

[dreamy rune]

Cuz he don't know that he has coc.

[crimson loom]

Zoro knows flame cutting tech

[copper palm]

Well his Physique is also different he has wings possibly natural armor so thats also important you dont attack someone with defensesive capabilities at his strongest instead you strike weakpoints

[crimson loom]

zoro has cut prometheus with flame cutting, so he just need to apply the tech to his battle with king

and tables should turn

[pure raven]

Lunarian knows how to conjure fire but that doesn't mean that they can convert their bodies into flame like df

[crimson loom]

maybe protected layer of flame idk

[pure raven]

That doesn't make sense

[upbeat kraken]

maybe zoro should make an onlyfans now?

[pure raven]

Guys i have a theory that kizaru is the most important admiral of all

Magma doesn't discriminate it just swallows up everything in its way and destroys everything like akainu
ice is delicate and and capture most deserving on justice
Light well light is usually seen to reveal something or increase understanding,clarity

So if akainu and aokiji fits their fruit so well there must be a reason why kizaru has this fruit too

So I think that kizaru is going to be the one who is gonna reveal the secret of mariejois

What do you guys think?

so what do u guys think will zoro open his left eye to beat king

First we need to realise why he has closed his left eye

[abstract pond]

He has closed it because it was cut by a monkey or Mihawk

So there is no eye to open

[pure raven]

[fathom matrix]

I wouldn't say that'd be a weakness but it'd be interesting if someone asked "HEY CAPTAIN TEACH, yaknow milk can grow back your teeth, why don't you have some"? and he mumbles, but when asked again he shouts "I'M LACTOSE INTOLERANT, ALRIGHT! IT DOESN'T WORK!"

[opaque ember]

But it is a weakness to the mochi mochi no mi and a possible milk milk fruit

[fathom matrix]

well, i doubt Karakuri's gonna make BB each mochi

[opaque ember]

Yeah but it would be funny

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine them making reference to it

during the battle

[stable minnow]

the women who appeared at the end has green hair same as zoro?

she his sister?

[grand tide]

[grand tide]

Bro that is momo sister

[stable minnow]

Odin is Zoro's father???

[grand tide]

Bro are you drunk

[stable minnow]

they both have green hair, there must be a relationship

[pure raven]

No weed

[grand tide]

I think you need to read everything again

[pure raven]

[stable minnow]

ngl i suck at remembering japanese names

[pure raven]

Odin? The Norse god?

🤣

[grand tide]

You suck at everything

[stable minnow]

thats not true, dont be mean

[grand tide]

[pure raven]

Zoro Odinnson

[crystal mist]

This isn’t a crazily researched theory but going purely from my gut i’ll say that there is a 5th poneglyph on laughtale which might be a very important key for the one piece. Im not saying thats the whole thing as Oda stated something like “it wouldn’t be fair to give [the straw hats]” nothing. In the theory posts and videos this flag and this panel is always stated as: 4 poneglyphs and laugh tale . I think that laugh tale here is also has a poneglyph. Because in the manga there is this image of fire but there was a frame in the anime that showed a scene really similar with the poneglyph’s and laugh tale being drawn really similarly just like the world govt. flag. Also what really was bugging me was why Oden wen’t to laugh tale with Roger. He was absolutely needed to translate the 4 road poneglyphs but also to translate the 5th on laugh tale. Moreover, it also feels appropriate that joyboy would preserve some part of his story and treasure in the form of an indestructible poneglyph, as we had seen him done so before like in fishman island. The panel with Oden writing in his journal stating how they “learned” about the will of D and the one piece. I feel like this was something that was learned through reading the 5th poneglyph too. Also there are other things that stood out. It would make sense that Robin would “learn” about the void century and the history through reading the poneglyph, which might also include some sort of a prophecy i will not get into. Finally one piece itself is a big story and I really believe Oda will give the strawhats a fantastic story to read and ‘laugh’ about :).

My rookie theory about the 5th poneglyph go easy on me

[pure raven]

Tbh I think that the finding of the one piece won’t be the final arc

I think a final war with the WG and/or Blackbeard will happen after, though this just a speculation, who knows?

Just think that finding the one piece and ending it there would be way too cliché

[fiery plaza]

sheshh

[static hare]

So what's this about Betty being a milf?

Mostly seems coincidental that her and Luffy are similar but

[pure raven]

[crystal mist]

I think that too!

[shadow arch]

zoro is just better than your favorite character

[cursive tree]

Zoro is just Luffy with more testosterone

[proud tree]

Theory: All Blue is at laughtale

[sinful helm]

all blue will become when red line is destroyed

[inland kiln]

I think Sanji has like Lunarian genes bc King can turn his parts on fire and Sanji can do the same thing now without spinning

[cyan berry]

if sanji had lunarian so would all his siblings

or at least one of them

if anything, his diable jambe is his Germa genes kicking in

[remote hazel]

Or maybe his mom gave him Lunarian DNA to counter the Germs germs

[pure raven]

I mean it's kinda obvious there will be because if there isn't then How will The crew know about Void century lol?

[near beacon]

why is king hiding his face, is he shimotsuki ushimaru underneath?

[muted ember]

He has curly eyebrows

[bitter kraken]

That would be messed up if the drug Sanjis mom took was Kings actual dna that tried to override judges but just mixed with it idk how that would even work

[muted ember]

I mean Queen was on a team w Judge, King and Queen been on the same crew for 20 yrs at least, all u have to do is account for 1 more year and u have an explanation for Judge getting Lunarian lineage factor

[rapid haven]

Most definitely not. I don’t know if we’ll recognize King or not, but I personally believe we’ll recognize some facial mark, as well as a twist of King being a woman

[swift panther]

How will this arc end? The supernovas beat kaido or shanks/Blackbeard interfere

[plucky ingot]

Something is wrong

[trim flicker]

Shanks/BB showin up feels wayyy too repetitive. Maybe the WG with the new weapon that made shichibukai obsolete

[swift panther]

It is unlikely but possible. Maybe the CP-0 is here to open the gates of wano (the waterfall).

[gray creek]

The supernovas win. The end of the arc is literally and symbolically a new dawn.

If the other yonko show up, it undermines the new generation taking charge and stepping up. And that’s the whole point

[dusk rose]

I had this one thought that enma is gonna give zoro a massive temporary power up against queen

Since it sucked the energy out of his arm the first time

Now it’ll give it back for a boost as a last resort

[sly pagoda]

Did you not notice Zoro's armament haki kick up in that last panel? It's still trying to drain energy from him.

[sacred hawk]

So Usopp is heading to the first floor attic, since that's where Kinemon is. However, the flaming yokai has already gone to the basement. So whatever Oda plans to have Usopp do, it probably doesn't involve the yokai.

Could it be a Page One rematch?

[plucky kiln]

Do you think the gorosei will be fighters

[gray creek]

Dude (presumably) has one of the supreme grade blades. Seems likely enough

[amber oar]

a couple others have scars, and the blonde one is built like someone capable to fight

[plucky kiln]

If they are immortal I think they might belong to the former 20 kings who created the WG

[astral oxide]

BB pulling up to wano and taking orochi's fruit taking out maybe a weak kaido in the process, forcing luffy into yonko position and shanks allies with luffy to take down BB

[shut finch]

Doubt it. Seems like the Tobi Roppo definitely aren’t getting up at this point. But I do think the Usopp situation is pretty interesting. He’s gonna put Kinemon together and they’ll have to try to save kiku somehow (maybe Marco/Izo will find Usopp and come with him instead?) other than that, Kanjuro still being in that room is interesting even tho he’s likely dead. Feels like something could happen there.

[astral oxide]

you heard it here first

trust, its been harder than expected but he'll pull through

[muted ember]

Usopp didn't really get a fight I thought it would be the ghost too there has to be some type of conflict

[shut finch]

If zoro loses he’s gonna die so like there’s no way

[muted ember]

He can run like Sanji 😂

He might have too

[midnight sandal]

Zoro compared king to a dragon… and ryuma slayed a dragon 👀

[muted ember]

Ryuma one shot the dragon tho it wasn't even a challenge

Ryuma>Zoro

[proven agate]

You think Oda gonna kill Kaido? Or what do you think his fate will be

[pine delta]

i think kaido and big mom flee defeated and just argue fight for eternity on some island as their crews fracture. they both seem very disconnected from their crew's wellbeing (kaido is pretty connected tbh but only with the top few) and that would be the final straw, with their fleeing and broadcasted loss shattering their reputation forever

[proven agate]

Sounds like a pretty valid theory

[bitter kraken]

Would be so bad if zoro lost to king? Also what does knowing what king is have anything to do with it? Won’t zoro just slice and dice in the end anyways? Lol that’s all he does, I don’t think he’s ever defeated anyone in any other way

[pine delta]

it all really depends on kaidos backstory tbh which we should be getting any chapter now

zoro isn't losing to king because the raid isn't failing. zoro has never fought a opponent as strong as king before, and king has multiple odd powers (his devil fruit, his weapon, the weird flames) that zoro needs to understand every aspect of his foe to win.

[swift panther]

I don't think Luffy's beating kaido

[muted ember]

The raid will fail

[swift panther]

1 on 1

[pine delta]

there is no chance the raid fails

closest thing would be a bad end and then hiyori activates the time time fruit and resets time an hour

[swift panther]

Hiyori what now

[pine delta]

Good thing luffy has not 1v1 kaido by definition.

[swift panther]

Hiyori got time time?

[pine delta]

tons of people have fought and damaged kaido by now, luffy is gonna power up and deal more damage, kaido isnt winning. at this point if they lose wano is permanently destroyed? where would the story even go from here if they lose?

Hiyori time is a half joke but is the only way i can see the raid "failing"

[muted ember]

The time fruit can only go forward

[pine delta]

oda can do whatever he wants, bird cage makes no sense yet happened anyways

[swift panther]

My theory is raid is gonna be interpreted

Interrupted*

By cp0 since they're in wano, they're going to open the gates

[pine delta]

cp0 is currently occupied in combat

[swift panther]

Rob lucci isn't

He's at wano

[pine delta]

???

[muted ember]

Lucci not in Wano but there's one agent missing

[rugged cove]

if they loose the story can go to another timeski[

[pine delta]

you stop those heretical thoughts

[rugged cove]

but that would be boring to be fair

[pine delta]

any outcome other than luffy wins is the most trainwreck thing possible to the pacing

[swift panther]

Either ways, my point stands

[pine delta]

there are many agents of cp0 not in wano. there are only 3 in wano.

[shut finch]

Sabo situation means no timeskip possible imo

[swift panther]

Ye

[shut finch]

There’s way too much set up to happen post-raid

[pine delta]

is the third agent going to sky walk out of onigashima, find the water entrance which is in a different territory of wano, open the gate, wait fo rthe ships to get up, and then teleport those ships into the sky in the next 3 minutes?

[swift panther]

I'm speculating that wg intervenes in wano and Luffy goes out to save sabo

[pine delta]

wg intervention in wano is possible and it could lead to a 'bad end' where the straw hats have to flee wano despite beating kaido and big mom

[swift panther]

Cp0 ain't no joke buddy

[swift panther]

They probably won't have time.

[pine delta]

how would they not have time?

the ships havent even reached the base of wano let alone climb the lift and get to where the capital (which is landlocked)

[swift panther]

I mean the cp0 managed

[pine delta]

cp0 is 3 inidivduals who were in wano for weeks at orochi's invitation due to a longstanding agreement

[swift panther]

Wg intervening seems the most logical stand to me

If wg intervenes straw hats have to escape and save sabo

[proven agate]

Yah that seems more reasonable than the raid failing

[swift panther]

If straw hats win it'll kinda ruin the show tbh. The other supernovas will get less spotlight

Perhaps making them less intimidating

Maybe X drakes only mission was to open the gates of wano for the navy to enter

[proven agate]

I think SH win BM flees wano opens up i was worried about CP0 but now xdrake and apoo fighting them so that’s done

Tbh based on Oda saying Op ending soon and the big war after this arc there’s not enough time

For the SH to lose Bcz Kat and Luffy talked about Luffy coming back to beat BM

[swift panther]

Kaidos not going down without a fight and there's still an agent left. I'm pretty sure he's up to no good

[proven agate]

Oh yah without a doubt but i think it gets cleaned up better than we think cause Oda has made a lot of mentions and a big deal about Wano opening up

[swift panther]

Maybe after wg intrusion kaido gets captured and BM flees. Luffy saves sabo and comes back to wano. Then finally makes it his territory

Cuz it's mentioned that kaido frequently gets captured by wg

That way there won't be a direct conflict between the supernovas also

[proven agate]

Yah maybe but i think killed though and I gotta think they’re going to do some big party to officially welcome jinbei

But i mean if you look at alabasta fish man island and dressrosa after they took down the people they had a huge party i don’t have a reason to believe otherwise until something changes

I mean similar situations right oppressive rulers/evil coup

[swift panther]

Kaidos different nothing like we have seen before. If Luffy beats kaido he'll automatically become the strongest

[proven agate]

Yah that’s true that’s why I’m not with the raid failing thing Bcz Kaido was weakened he’s been taking constant hits

[swift panther]

I won't see the point of journey if he is too op

[muted ember]

Kaido and Big Mom still haven't used awakening and the act is about to end

[proven agate]

I don’t know if they’ve awakened their df

[swift panther]

What awakening 💀💀💀

[muted ember]

If Law and Kid are awakened and BM is not that would be trash

[proven agate]

I think BM is just naturally op also i don’t think she’s losing here

[swift panther]

Maybe it has to do with determination

[proven agate]

Luffy has to beat her

[muted ember]

Kaido has determination he's taken more Ls than Luffy

[proven agate]

That’s why they said pirates abandon at the sign of losing and i think the point is to show how strong these Yonkos are they don’t need awakened to beat people

[muted ember]

Awakening itself is a sign of strength

[proven agate]

That’s true

[muted ember]

There's absolutely no way they're not

[ancient vault]

Hes probably after whoswho

[proven agate]

I’m calling it Kaido loses BM flees

That’s why perospero is here he can use his df to take them across the water

[ancient vault]

BM is going down here lol
We‘re not having a round 3 for Big Mom

[proven agate]

I don’t think Bcz Kat asked Luf about coming back to beat BM

[ancient vault]

Luffy is not going all the way back 😭

[muted ember]

This only round 1 for Big Mom

[proven agate]

I personally would like to see Luffy vs BM

[ancient vault]

Lmao pls. That was just in the moment. Hes not travelling all the way back to WCI again. Thats wasted time

[ancient vault]

Its the 2nd arc where shes the or one of the main antagonists

And it would be the third if she flees again

[proven agate]

Well until something changes I’ll stay there at least it’s still more believable than the raid failing

[muted ember]

She didn't have a real fight in Whole Cake

[ancient vault]

Also oda dorsnt really reuse islands

[ancient vault]

Who even said that? Law and Kid simply defeat her. Maybe luffy helps out but shes going down here

[modest skiff]

I don't think Law and Kid are remotely sufficient to deal with BM, if she got this much stronger from just 1 year of life

[ancient vault]

Still an antagonist

[ancient vault]

Theyre gonna come up with sth or someone helps. Preferably brook imo. He has the soul fruit for a reason. Oda use it

[proven agate]

I mean I can see your side Bcz it is said Kids dream is to defeat a yonko

But idk i really wanna see Luffy vs BM especially after everything the SH have done to her

[ancient vault]

My side is simply not wanting a character that modt of the fans are already bored of to appear again as a main antagonist

[proven agate]

I’m not bored of BM lol

[muted ember]

Big Mom my favorite yonko

[ancient vault]

I said most of the fans. And its a fact that most are. It also ruins the pacing of the story

Do you know how long its gonna take to defeat Big mom when she leaves the island? Another 2 years

[proven agate]

Ok so we got like 5 years left so what we got this 1.big war 2.Elbaf 3. One piece

[ancient vault]

Big war is after elbafwha

[proven agate]

You think so

[ancient vault]

What

[proven agate]

I mean they set it up in middle of Wano

[ancient vault]

It was set up in marineford

[proven agate]

No like BB saying he’s going after it

[ancient vault]

After whitebeard announced a big war will break out once someone finds the OP

[swift panther]

I mean wouldn't winning the raid make Luffy the most powerful person on the one piece world?. He's getting wano and fishman island

[proven agate]

I know that

I’m talking about what happened during the reverie

[swift panther]

Wano got all the weapons and fishman island got an ancient weapon

[ancient vault]

Kind of. He’ll have the biggest influence but blackbeard also exists and hes also insanely strong. Numbers at a certain point dont matter

[ancient vault]

Blackbeard didnt appear during reverie tho

[proven agate]

I agree with a lot of people that shanks and Luffy will have to team up to beat BB

[ancient vault]

Yeah i dont think thats happeneing either

[proven agate]

After it smh

[swift panther]

Even if Blackbeard exists. He's no way near kaido.

[ancient vault]

Hows that confirmation for another big war directly after wano

[proven agate]

And what happened between sabo and vivi

[swift panther]

Probably that the guy with Vivi got killed

[proven agate]

Not literally between them but you get the point

[ancient vault]

You mean with them but yes ik what u mean

[proven agate]

You don’t think when Luffy hears of this he will wanna go find out

[swift panther]

For all I know someone from alabasta is dead. 100%

It's not sabo

[ancient vault]

I think it will already be dealt with by the revo army themselves and I think theyre safe

The ladder part im not to sure on. But i am on the former. I think its time for dragon to actually do sth now and showcase that if theyre actually in danger and need help

[proven agate]

Did Oda say something in an SBS about a war after wano idk for some reason i think i res Ethan

Read that*****

[ancient vault]

I dont want another ace 2.0 rescue arc nor do I want luffy to save sabo literally after sabo said he would protect luffy. Thats just another ace moment

[proven agate]

Either that or my memories crap

Yah i think it’s got something to do with an ancient weapon

[ancient vault]

Dont remember that but he probably talked about the final war which doesnt mean its directly after wano

[ancient vault]

Sabo? You mean teach

[proven agate]

I’m talking about a war after wano Bcz of what happened during/after the reverie with vivi sabo and the pic I sent but let me check like i said my memory may be crap lol

Yah i was right. Fan: Is it true that One Piece is ending in 5 years?! …

Oda: …The most exciting part of Luffy's adventure is over. The Wano arc is reaching its climax. After Wano-kuni, I will draw the "biggest war" in manga history. It will be very exciting… 👀

SBS 97

[modest skiff]

It seems to be a...demographic thing, whether or not people are bored of BM

[pure raven]

I don't get what he means by the most exciting part of luffy's adventure is over

[ancient vault]

third arc with big mom to be trolled and pushed around by oda again? Dont do more damage than is already done

[proven agate]

What’s the demographic lol I’m curious

[proven agate]

I wouldn’t read too much into that Bcz right after he says it will be very exciting Oda likes to mess around

[wary fossil]

clearer translation of that sbs

[proven agate]

Thank you i couldn’t find that

[muted ember]

He said Wano would make Marineford look cute

[cyan berry]

@pure raven keep comments like that out of this server

[cyan berry]

also he said this about the final war, not Wano

[pure raven]

Intersting

[pure raven]

Yeah I wonder how he can top MF

[muted ember]

Where does he say it's the final war?

[pure raven]

And why does it say related to whitebeard?

[muted ember]

Bc it's Rocks

[cyan berry]

^

[pure raven]

Godvalley?

[cyan berry]

The Lurking Legend is the Big Mom and Kaido alliance, symbolizing the return of Rocks

And WB was also part of Rocks

[pure raven]

Interesting

[muted ember]

Kaido and Big Mom, the return of the Rocks Pirates

[proven agate]

Reading that got me even more excited

[shut finch]

I always took the lurking legend as oden tbh and then the next sentences are completely unrelated. But the rocks stuff is interesting and something related to that seems to be coming

[sinful helm]

bb still feels like he is either possesed by rocks or he is reincarnation of rocks

[gray creek]

BB is just a knowledgeable man with an inherited will and misguided sense of destiny. I don’t think it should be viewed as any more mystical than the other examples of inherited will (Joyboy shenanigans aside)

[stuck sundial]

This is less of a “Manga Theory” but I think that Shanks is actually using Rogers sword. As we know, Shanks looks like he has some pretty strong Haki but maybe he is just borrowing it. On the rare occasion we see Shanks use Haki we see the lightning come out of the sword, just like in Rogers picture but this same lightning can be seen as a result of a Haki clash. I also don’t think Shanks and Roger are the only ones who have used this sword. Since the Haki that flows out of the sword is red it is possible that it was formed by the same people who forged the road poneglifs and the reason the sword is so powerful is because it’s thousands of years of Haki clashing inside of it. I’ve also heard somewhere that Shanks crew doesn’t call him “captain” they refer to him as “big boss” which is also how bosses in the Yakuza are referred too, so shanks could’ve gotten this sword from his time on Rogers ship or as the leader of “The Underground”. Anyways that’s my theory, I’m so excited for “Film Red” to release

[tawdry bramble]

The swords have different names so no.

[stuck sundial]

He could’ve renamed it

[cyan berry]

zoro never bothered to rename Shusui after he got it from Ryuma

and Shanks had a lot of respect for Roger

he wouldnt change the name of his sword just like that

[modest skiff]

I can't imagine a world where Shanks would rename a sword of such significance. The closest I can come to believing that theory is Shanks is hiding the identity of the sword to protect it.

[stuck sundial]

Someone else could’ve gotten the sword also, I’m pretty sure it was said somewhere that Mihawk got one of his swords from the underground so it’s entirely possible shanks could’ve stolen it or bought it from someone in the underground

[proud tree]

Is Impel down closer to east blue?

What I get from this image: Marineford and Ennies are located in the grand line on the "paradise" side of the red line

[waxen dust]

could be either East Blue or South Blue

depending on which side we’re facing

[low ruin]

Probably to keep them far from the threat of emperors

[amber oar]

Nope, that map is upside down respect to the world map

It's closer to the south blue

[proud tree]

so it is closer to south blue? How do you know the map is flipped?

[waxen dust]

it’s South Blue

[proud tree]

how do you know?

[proud tree]

all these maps are fan made and could be wrong?

[modest skiff]

Yea I think so

To my knowledge we don’t have a remotely up to date world map from Oda

[waxen dust]

Oda is gonna reveal OP world is a flat Earth

[solar mural]

well we did see a globe on Robin's island

[waxen dust]

Ohara was full of idiots, that’s why WG destroyed them. They didn’t want the heresy to spread

[solar mural]

damn got me there

[proud tree]

thoughts on this theory... that connects the globe of one piece ... to an eye? https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qx1qhw/the_true_origin_of_zou_where_zunesha_is_from_and/

[upbeat cedar]

does anyone know where the zoro traitor theories are coming from?

[pure raven]

I know films arnt canon but you guys think there’s any specific reason oda drew the scars on the D

[upbeat cedar]

Shanks?

[pure raven]

I know it’s shanks but I’m talking about the D

[upbeat cedar]

i mean obv we know will of D but idk what else it could be lol

i dont think theres anything special were gonna find out easily

[pure raven]

Imagine shanks is a D. But only in the film 😏

[upbeat cedar]

curse of the will of D?

[wary fossil]

it's on the D because that's the eye that shanks has the scar on when you look at him

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-one-piece-gif-21912716

[pure raven]

I guess it could just be that simple lol

[sinful helm]

hopefully it shows how he got the scars tbh

[wary fossil]

I want more shaggy

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-buggy-one-piece-young-roger-pirates-gif-20832712

[tired crescent]

tbh i think Ace roger's sword is part of the one piece

[torpid jackal]

he had that sword before going to raftel tho

[sullen heath]

Is that the "somewhat most accurate" representation ?

[amber oar]

Even if those are fanmade, the reference to notice it's upside down is the position of the red line respect to the triangle

It's not flipped, it's rotated 180°

[mint prairie]

Yeah, the South Blue is opposite to the East Blue using Paradise as reference. If you take most map depictions of the world as reference, the East Blue is north of the Grand Line, while the normal route in Paradise goes from Reverse Mountain to Mary Geoise.

Mary Geoise should be to the East, while Enies Lobby should be to the West. Knowing this, we can use he diagram to figure Impel Down's location as in the southern Calm Belt, north of the South Blue.

[modest skiff]

I've suspected enies lobby and the whirlpools of wano both feed into a through-the-planet water network, which I have termed the "black sea", the opposite of the white sea, since there is no sunlight. All that enies lobby water has to be going somewhere. Perhaps same is true of the huge array of whirlpools around Wano. But I have had a hard time finding a map that would help me form a 3D depiction of this fluidic pathway

[amber oar]

hey, that's a nice expansion on my half-joke theory on Wano being the antipodes of Enies Lobby

[warm saffron]

I bet you big mom got her powers of the soul soul fruit because the old lady that disappeared took her soul and all the other kids souls and placed them into big mom when her eyes were closed

[queen arrow]

i think the convo might be over but i wanted to share this because i think it's relevant

[hoary quiver]

https://youtu.be/7uHhb8NGbOY

Watch this theory

[feral pike]

Hi guys I need your opinion do you think shank was in elbaph protecting adam tree ( another source of devil fruit) which is blackbeard targetting

[ancient vault]

GLR? I recently decided to watch one of his vids and I think it was about that

[river plaza]

Finally Shanks made his move haha op film red

[torn pulsar]

not really a theory but its been on my mind for a while, awakened fruits for zoan are just the animals on roids, paramecia's can vary depending on what type they are and logia's are theorized to change the weather, this is just a reinforcement of the last part and a look at what enels' goro goro no mi can do, as there is an island that literally "rains lightning" not saying it is because of an awakened goro goro no mi but it makes comeplete sense.

to me this was just common sense when i thought about it but I've never seen anyone talk about it, so i just thought i'd put it out there

[junior cape]

Yeah the theories about awakened powers get tossed around here every so often. The general consensus is about what you got. Honestly, I just wanna see Oda actually explore the concept a bit more, and how people actually do it.

So far any awakened user we've come across it's just been dropped as "Oh yeah they're awakened btw" and I want to see the PROCESS. Doffy? Awakened because he wants to tear shit up. Katakuri? Awakened because he wants to be 'perfect'. Kid and Law? Awakened because they want to take down an emperor. Every single awakened zoan we've seen thus far? Awakened because Impel Down has a hard-on for monsters. And we can guess and ponder about any awakened Logia users we think we know, but we have no idea what they can do besides potentially reshaping islands and rewriting climates.

[split glacier]

If Shanks is actually Xebec's son then it wouldn't be far fetched. Everyone else has full names except him

[junior cape]

I mean it's not unheard of for people in one piece, especially named important characters, to only have one name + epithet. I mean look at "Kami" Eneru, "sir" Crocodile, and more.

Anyway, Zoro's about to do something nutty, because the last time this happened, he obliterated a cliff without trying.

[analog estuary]

[junior cape]

Also, Usopp, Yassopp, "Dead Bones" Brook are more examples.

[swift panther]

Pandaman

[junior cape]

Maybe

[swift panther]

Pan D Aman is the one piece

[analog estuary]

[pastel summit]

Breaking the cliff was not really impressive. It was not meant to be an impressive showcase of power. It was to show that Enma wasn't easy to control. Zoro tried to cut the tree, but instead cut the cliff. This random dude from Kuro's crew can break a cliff (with Jango power up).

[solar knoll]

I don’t think so, I think it still kinda displayed how powerful Enma was

But let’s see what happens there’s a lot about the weapony we don’t quite understand

[pastel summit]

Breaking a cliff is not impressive at the scale we're at. Zoro cut Pica who is probably like 50x bigger than the cliff he cut with Enma. It was more that it was able to draw excess power.

he was only trying to cut the tree, but he cut the whole cliff.