manga-theories

[balmy mango]

It's possible

But not probable

[ebon geode]

Ye

[nimble thistle]

He probably will, and then lose. Since that's a trope for manga/anime stories.

[balmy mango]

Shanks will die against bb

[nimble thistle]

It sets the antagonist up as somebody that's truly strong/threatening, and makes the protagonist the 'only person' that can possibly defeat them.

[shut finch]

Yea if shanks fights blackbeard it’s probably a wrap lol

[balmy mango]

Not for that but like a motivation I guess . And there I still the popular evil shanks theory

[shut finch]

Luffy giving his straw hat back to a dead shanks 😔

[balmy mango]

Also Mihawk joining shanks crew

[sturdy lantern]

L

[heavy ocean]

Interesting.
Never seen a more detailed map of the world before

[mint prairie]

The rough draft is Oda's map from around the time Loguetown was being published.

[heavy ocean]

Would be really cool if the "great flood" theory happened during the void century

[mint prairie]

The second one is based on that same map, but it was drawn by someone else.

[heavy ocean]

Ah i see

[pure raven]

FBI OPEN UP

Kozuki legit means child lover lmao

[mortal field]

Shout out to me being late again. But Akainu knows how horrible they are. Every marine and admiral knows about the Celestial Dragon, and even knows the power of the Buster Call. As long as justice is being served he doesnt question it in any shape, way, or form

Man deadass melted 2 marines because they didnt want to fight, he doesnt care as long as justice is there

[pure raven]

Pretty sure that man is gonna go down and die with his beliefs. I don’t see Akainu as the redemption type

[sinful helm]

those two were runaways and cowards and could make a dip in moral its not they didnt wanna fight they were just too scared of it only Coby didnt wanna fight and had the balls too do something about it

[nimble thistle]

Doesn't excuse murdering your own men in cold blood. If Akainu did it in plain view of Sengoku, or Garp? He'd have hell to pay.

[sinful helm]

ofc it does in history people that ran away got killed and tortured even

[halcyon tusk]

then why did Garp basically stand there doing nothing once it became clear what akainu was gonna do, we know that garp is stupid fast even in his old age so he should’ve been able to get there just as quickly as shanks did seeing as akainu apparently wasn’t able to notice Shanks comin at em otherwise why didn’t he react

[heavy ocean]

Really hope they dont go with the cliche "Sakazuki lost his family and friends to pirates, hence why he hates them"

Hoping for a much more in-depth backstory which triggers his deadset belief in absolute justice

[white swan]

It could just be his upbringing, maybe something small like a teddy bear was stolen from him and some other kid said “the teddy bear belongs to (insert kid who stole it)” and now he just wants absolute justice

In the name of his teddy bear.

[heavy ocean]

Im just taking a wild stab at things but i have a feeling akainus past relates to the floral tattoo he has on his arms

[mint prairie]

There could be a cliche backstory, but it doesn't have to be a boring one. Something similar to Sanji feeding Gin just so Don Krieg comes and wrecks havoc, but Sakazuki instead helps a pirate escape and then his hometown gets obliterated by pirates. That or similar scenarios in which his own morals end up doing more harm than good can be used to explain why he detaches himself from making judgements and instead sticks to his Absolute Justice outlook. Questioning nothing and adhering to the rules without showing any regret nor compassion.

[heavy ocean]

Also the fact he was trimming on a bonsai on a cover page subtly supports this

Its only one piece of a massive jigsaw puzzle though

No pun intended

[fathom matrix]

I was watching a tekking video and there actually an interesting point he made

Maybe a piece of rubble hit her head.

Maybe when she starts to feel better and get her injury sorted, she could say "he didn't hurt me, some of the rubble from the building hit me, infact he manage to save me from most of it"

[mint prairie]

@fathom matrix My thoughts on it.

[fathom matrix]

Imagine sanji actually kinda gets pissed thinking that the raid suit wouldn't have effected him mentally or emotionally if that was the case, and after defeating Queen he starts to kick him going "DAMMIT DAMMIT! IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU STUPID FAT DINOSAUR ROBOT! MAKING ME THINK IT'D MAKE ME EMOTIONLESS, NOW YOU ONLY PISSED ME OFF MORE"

[pure raven]

Suits the most gigachad yonko

[dim radish]

Which one do you guys think is stronger? Usopp or buggy?

[mint prairie]

The channel description is stronger, read it.

[naive breach]

Shanks will die

[split glacier]

Probably

[naive breach]

Chances is 70-80%

[split glacier]

I'm with you lol. I don't think Luffy ever gives back the hat Shanks. Funny how the man carrying Rocks' will is gonna kill Rocks' Son.

[fathom matrix]

I see Shank's final fight being against blackbeard

I can see Shanks and him killing one another or both of them leaving life threatening injuries, but Blackbeard dies with a smile on his face, knowing he got to kill shanks

[split glacier]

Blackbeard already beat up Shanks before the 2nd Fruit. Blackbeard ain't dying to Shanks. Doesn't even make sense for that to happen and BB is Luffy's opposite.

[split glacier]

Black Clover fan? Respek 👊

[naive breach]

[naive breach]

[crude spear]

I agree, shanks gonna let luffy keep the hat saying he's earned it

[undone holly]

wtf... just notice about the eyebrows change on Sanji today when i re-read the last chapter 😮

[ripe geyser]

So I finished my Dressrosa rewatch on One Pace, and I came across something I remembered but didn’t really think about before, now it’s really interesting to me. The narrator said the grand fleet would cause a major incident in the future, wonder what it’s gonna be🤔

[waxen dust]

Probably in reference to Ragnarok and the catalyst for the Final War

[ripe geyser]

One thing I believe for sure: the “incident” involving the fleet is gonna happen before they see the SHs again

[ripe geyser]

Ragnarok?

[waxen dust]

https://norse-mythology.org/tales/ragnarok/

[split glacier]

Evil Sanji (Ryu) and he asked Zoro (Ken) to save him.

[undone holly]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

Evil Sanjyu

[ripe geyser]

Fun fact: evil Sanji isn’t happening

[split glacier]

Nice opinion

[queen spade]

Yea I dont see sanji becoming evil

[ripe geyser]

And I also see Yamato not joining the crew

[queen spade]

I think she is totally set up to join

[undone holly]

she will 100%

Sanji its going to have a '' switch '' to turn in evil mode 😄

maybe a word... like '' GERMA '' evil mode ON.

[gusty needle]

Wouldn’t be surprised if the raidsuit isn’t completely damaged - would be a nice setup for odas running gag if after the repairs sanjis still able to peep in bath houses

[ripe geyser]

An amazingly powerful daughter of a Yonko telling Luffy she wants to sail with him and her having a connection with Ace feels like a big red herring

[vestal orbit]

no buildup, just randomly appears out of the blue, proclaims herself to be a straw hat, doesn't really interact with anyone but luffy

[ripe geyser]

Exactly, it’s totally a red herring!

When I was watching for the first time I knew the first 5 members were gonna be straw hats the moment they were introduced but none of them were intentionally made to look like total straw hat material

[winged hatch]

Yamato isn't really necessary to complete the yonko crew

[ripe geyser]

Agreed

She doesn’t even have that much personality, tbh I think Ulti is more likable

[ancient vault]

Yamato dies soon dont worry guys

[winged hatch]

I agree ulti is definitely more likeable

[ripe geyser]

Not even one character has seemed like obvious straw hat material more than Yamato when they were introduced, it screams red herring

[winged hatch]

Tbh I don't think she will be a captain

[vestal orbit]

she can't die now, she'll have to cover the straw hats' escape from wano when the world government arrives and all the heavy hitters are half dead

[ancient vault]

📠

[ancient vault]

then she dies later whatever. She not joining tho

[ripe geyser]

She’s the first “candidate” who knew about Luffy way more than he knew about her

[winged hatch]

Luffy doesn't even want her in the crew

[ripe geyser]

I think it would be really cool to get another crew member that isn’t Yamato or Carrot tho

[winged hatch]

I want ceaser
But people are too soft, they think he is irredeemable

[ripe geyser]

TASKETE, JOOKEERRRRR

[winged hatch]

Lol

[ripe geyser]

Caesar is never joining

Franky’s the scientist/shipwright and Chopper is the doctor

[vestal orbit]

think he is irredeemable

like sure robin and franky were criminals, but they were criminals for noble goals and they weren't actually cruel

caesar experimented on children and just wanted glory, riches, food, drink, women, etc etc

[ripe geyser]

I’m just really surprised Yamato got #11 on the world top 100 poll

Like how we have hardly seen the best of her character arc

Yamato D. Redherring isn’t joining unlike what many others believe

What was that lmfao😂

At this point I’m as stuck to this prediction as Morj is to the raid failing

[sand sail]

He's not likely to join, but ignore that theory anyway

[bitter kraken]

I think Yamato will join 100% for the power boost it will give the crew

[round cargo]

power boost isn't really a good reason for someone to join

[bitter kraken]

Why isn’t it? The straw hats enemies in the future are no lightweights

[grizzled fog]

The Strawhats themselves aren’t lightweights, with or without Yamato

[bitter kraken]

Robin, ussop, lol chopper are fodder

[sand sail]

Robin one shot one of the Flying Six

[bitter kraken]

Nami too

[sand sail]

Chopper's been duking it out with a commander, and has fought Big Mom

Nami has the literal power of an Emperor at her disposal

"fodder" should leave your vocabulary man

[bitter kraken]

Robin didn’t one shot anything and chopper did zero damage was just hugging them

[ancient vault]

only fodder is scabbards

[sand sail]

So Robin didn't one shot Black Maria?

And Chopper didn't fight Queen for almost 30 minutes straight?

[bitter kraken]

No, Robin didn’t show up and hit Black Maria and KO with one hit that would be a one shot, similar to what kaido did to luffy at first

[sand sail]

Yeah, she actually did

Read back the fight

She literally ends it in one blow

The only hit she does previously is a quick slap to save Sanji. We can call it a two shot if you'd like?

But the fact here is, Robin ended that match after dealing one actual blow to Black Maria in that chapter, and only one slap previously at all

[waxen dust]

tbh maybe Nami > Robin imo

[bitter kraken]

It was really like that? I must be remembering it way wrong then I coulda swore that match took longer

[sand sail]

Yeah, Nami can cause widespread, powerful destruction at this point since she has Zeus. Huge power up for her.

[grizzled fog]

The length of the match is irrelevant

[sand sail]

Oh the match took a while sure, but that's not what defines a one shot lol

It's the fact that Robin used one move on Black Maria, and that was all she needed

[waxen dust]

also thinking she now has close range as well since Zeus can morph into different things

[bitter kraken]

Okay I still think they’re fodder

[grizzled fog]

That’s an incredible definition of fodder

[sand sail]

True yeh, she was no slouch close range but now she has an even better weapon

^ You're not using the word correctly

Which isn't your fault, because I promise you no one in this fandom is at this point

But you should stop using it

[grizzled fog]

I can’t fathom how anyone who defeats a tobi roppo could be considered “fodder”. She’s proven herself to be in the league of the upper echelons of an emperor’s crew lol

[waxen dust]

Nami is gonna have the axe prototype next arc lol, Oda being clever

[bitter kraken]

Black Maria was fodder even within that whole group I think we all see that now, even sasaki was initially retained like fodder lol

[grizzled fog]

That word has lost all meaning

[waxen dust]

smh

fodder is the random waiter and pleasures, not Tobi Roppo lol

[sand sail]

Not one word of this is correct

^ That is genuinely the only real way you can apply the word in this arc

And even then, those waiters and pleasures are still New World pirates lol

[grizzled fog]

I would call anyone who can be knocked out by conqueror’s haki fodder at this point, luffy’s conqueror’s haki anyway

[waxen dust]

exactly they’re still considered a threat especially those who were originally Wano citizens that turned to the Beast Pirates

[visual merlin]

then the future enmies will also be fodder

people like maria and sasaki are right below top 3 members of a yonko crew

and the top 3 can be dealt with by our own top members

the strawhats outside of the monster trio and maybe jinbe may not ever have to fight someone who's not "fodder"

[digital tapir]

I doubt that, I feel like at the very least usopp’s character arc isn’t complete without him fighting someone notably strong

[grizzled fog]

Usopp has been punching above his belt for most of the series, in thriller bark and dressrosa each he’s defeated people that were frankly out of his league

[real swan]

Usopp has pretty much become the mcu Hawkeye of OP. He may not seem like much but his accomplishments are what make their major victories happen:

Saving Robin
Stopping perona from party wiping
Saving the crew during their trip to fishman island
Saving the crew in dressrosa TWICE
Saving Tama
Tanking 4 ton bat swings, exploding ghosts, his sure kill spicy pill, at least 3 Ulti headbutts, etc. I skimmed over a lot but he's really the glue for the crew.

[sinful helm]

he is god usopp and he should really have Conquerors haki

https://tenor.com/view/usopp-one-piece-anime-long-nose-my-name-is-gif-17145014

[nimble thistle]

Since the bar is continually being raised, they're still pretty much fodder.

[sinful helm]

then in you opinion whole world is fodder except luffy shanks bb imu and akainu

[real swan]

I guess? She usually attacks like an assassin so she would rather take out her targets ASAP

[grizzled fog]

Eh shes actually a lot more durable than expected, she took a fair few hits from Maria there

[grizzled fog]

Ultimately it seemed to be the exhaustion from using big techniques that made her collapse, not so much the damage. Although she probably couldn’t have taken too many more hits

I wouldn’t really call anyone on the crew a glass cannon at this point, they’ve almost all got decent durability showings, with the exception of maybe brook?

[real swan]

Was it anime only or didn't brook tank a punch from big mom?

[visual merlin]

her attack power is definitely better than her durability, but I wouldn't call her a glass cannon

[grizzled fog]

A punch? I don’t recall him taking one directly, although he did take a blast from zeus pretty well iirc, though that was a gag

[real swan]

I actually think he's got a bit of damage/pain immunity like Luffy, simply because he lacks the flesh and nerves to actually feel pain.

[grizzled fog]

Pretty sure he still feels pain

The same way he still breathes and eats despite lacking organs

[sand sail]

If anything, he's uniquely vulnerable to all but biological and electrical damage

[real swan]

That's true, if I wanted him to be less of a gag he would be kinda broken without needing anything regular people do.

[real swan]

Yea, would love to see him take out the new Hera too

[solar moss]

honestly I would love to see brook learn some haki too. I wonder why zoro doesn't you know help him or brook to even ask seeing as how even sanji is trying to break his chivalry to better help luffy and the crew

[visual merlin]

I'd rather it not be this way, but it just seems like crews in general don't teach each other anything

I'd say we can just dumb it down to that idea being inconvenient for oda, so he doesn't do it

[supple epoch]

the most teaching done on the straw hat ship was by caesar clown lol

[solar moss]

true Idk i feel like we dont really see enough of the crew together. I feel like the last time brook and zoro really talked or chatted was after the fall of moriah.

[oak plover]

Have we ever seen Crocodile shirtless in the manga?

I have kindof reverse LadyCroc theory wherein Croc is already a trans man without Ivankov's powers, and Iva knows that Croc has "woman's" anatomy.

I suppose it doesn't quite jive with the "genderswapped" portraits Oda drew, but meh

Also is Sir a title or his surname?

[bitter kraken]

Oh that’s interesting, I always thought it was part of his actual name but his character is that off a mafia boss right? It could be a title

[grizzled fog]

Sir is his epithet i think

[ripe geyser]

Will Caesar ever come back

[autumn hearth]

why does Blackbeard's jolly roger have 3 skulls

[rich mortar]

no

[rich mortar]

it represents him, which proves the 3 souls theory 👀 .

[autumn hearth]

oops

[solar knoll]

He’s pretty much like master roshi.

He beats his opponents that are too smart for luffy, Zoro and Sanji to handle

[unkempt talon]

Big mom can't get injured right only mother carmel portrait right? So suddenly wat happpened?

I mean earlier many weapons were used no effect begiensays

[pure raven]

law teleported his blade inside her body

Oi

[pure raven]

Not only this

It seems like kidd and law know how to use coc haki.. well kidd at least i dunno about law yet since we don’t know about his haki

[mortal field]

As far as we know, Law doesnt have coc haki. And Kid either doesnt know he has cok or just doesnt know what it can be used for

Its now time for me to be unoriginal with whats going on with the mugiwara crew

And everyone else in wano along with that

I already said this before and its pretty damn obvious but BM and Kaido will be going down in Wano, there’s no surprise about it. I imagine that doing this will throw the whole emperor system out of order. Katakuri has the bounty to become a emperor along with the BM crew saying he should become the leader of it, but Luffy, Kid, and Law bounty will shoot up to over a billion (Luffy being 2 or 3 billion) during the time. However, one thing i did keep saying is that BM and Kaido might die in Wano to the hands of CP0 and so far, it might not happen. Maybe in the midst of the bustercall but i dont see them caring for it as of now.

[ripe geyser]

I don’t think CP0 will bother with Kaido

But I do feel like the goals of “capturing Nico Robin and annexing Wano” are somewhat red-herring

I’m not saying CP0 won’t try to capture Robin and annex Wano, it’s clear they’re trying to do both of those things. But Robin said the masked CP0 agents are the upper elites of CP0, are they really gonna do only what Lucci told them to do?

[mortal field]

As for the whole Sanji thing, i imagine the more the fight with Queen draws out the more Sanji changes. At the end Queen will either be killed or beaten to a damn pulp by Sanji. Now i know what youre saying “WHY DOES THE STRAW HATS NEED TO KI-“ im not saying Sanji needs to kill Queen but look at it thi way. He’s fighting someone thats a complete enemy to his crew, no matter how you twist it. And he’s losing emotions that would make him not go so far with beating him. The whole thing could end up with those 2 happening depending on how much Sanji changes (his hair, his thinking process, etc) i then imagine Zoro is going to find Sanji and see that clearly this man has lost his composer and start fighting him. However i think it will either end in a draw or it would end with Zoro barely beating Sanji after snapping him out of it. I dont expect Zoro to hit a “BUT SANJI, I LOVE YOU” but i hope that in the midst of fighting him he does call him Sanji near the end. Oh and random note i want Sanji to talk about what he did on WCI or atleast reflect on it.

[mortal field]

While im still sad Lucci isnt there himself, i do expect CP0 to have too many eggs in their basket. With everything they tried to call out, the complete opposite happened, so them thinking about getting Robin and doing a bustercall might backfire and help them eacape. By them i mean the strawhats

[ripe geyser]

Luffy by all means won’t let Wano get fucking Buster-called unless someone he really trusts promises they won’t let the government hurt Wano

[mortal field]

Arent they buster calling Onigashima? Or was in Wano?

[ripe geyser]

Remember where Onigashima is? It’s right above the capital hovering over it

[mortal field]

Oh yea thats true, holy shit now i thought about something

Naw somebody is dying this arc, either BM and Kaido die to the hands of the bustercall, or die to CP0, or both

Momo might keep Onigashima from falling but those explosive will go off

And if you got concentrated fire at the stronghold, naw somebody has to be on the chopping block

[ripe geyser]

Law and Kid are rapidly losing energy with their awakened abilities while BM just powered up there’s no way it’s gonna be “Law and Kid knock out BM she defeated they win”

[mortal field]

Considering the convo with BM and who will lead cause lets be honest, nobody casually goes “so when our mom dies, who wants to be Captain?” That has to be a red herring

[ripe geyser]

With all the cipher pol relevance we’ve seen with BM (Stussy in WCI and mother Carmel child trafficking) I definitely think the masked CP0 ppl are also there to encounter BM

[mortal field]

You think they connected the dots with what happen to Caramel?

[ripe geyser]

This is a bold statement and could def be wrong but I think there’s a chance a couple of those masked agents are survivors from BM’s birthday party

[mortal field]

Either that, or those who didnt go with Mother

Wait wasnt there a longarm tribe kid at the party?

[ripe geyser]

This is most likely a coincidence but I couldnt help but find this interesting

[mortal field]

My man out here making some good ass theories hold on

It wouldnt even be crazy for him to join the marines, considering Mother had connection, they probably went to search and found the survivors

[ripe geyser]

I don’t know how exactly Big Mom will be defeated but there’s no way it’s gonna be by getting knocked out by Kid or Law

[mortal field]

The only reason i say that is because aint no way someone causally eradicate a year if their life and not suffer mad consequences. Its not the first time they caught BM off guard. Plus Law and Kid still got some tricks up their sleeves, mostly Law tho

[ripe geyser]

Kid said he wasn’t gonna tell law about the rest of his abilities

[ivory frost]

BM coats her body with coc haki 24/7 so outside attacks doesn't work law attacked from inside

[pure raven]

Bells are related to the one piece in my opinion because skypiea had a golden bed which said “the bell brings the soul of the dead or something” so it could’ve gotten rogers soul there and a golden poneglyph was in skypiea and plus jaya arc had a villain called “Bellamy” and his name has bell and he is also in like dressrosa or something and the villain of that arc was doffy whos parents was like cd I forgot

[solid badger]

Mother Carmel’s kids being the cp0 agents have been theorized before.
There was the kid with the long arm tribe that Linlin tried to break a joint of.
The kid who was a former noble might be the leader cp0?. And the kid with the mask look like same mask cp0 dude

[versed hamlet]

Who's who in those two respective images?

[junior cape]

Considering mother caramel did sell to the govt, it is likely some became cipher pol. However, it is highly unlikely any of them made it to and stayed at CP0 for 40-50 years, so none of those kids are likely to be people we've met.

[warm saffron]

If you type kaido in Japanese and translate it into English, it comes out as opening, meaning that defeating him would be one of luffy’s greatest achievements after beating katakuri
It could also mean opening because the navy will take over wano after kaido gets defeated

[mossy dock]

The scar under the eye of the guy in the middle reminds me of luffys scar

[pure raven]

The long armed kid is he not the guy from cp 0 I think??

[snow herald]

My theory about sanji:
the swirly eyebrows of the siblings are a byproduct of judges experiments with the lineage factor and devil fruits. It would be cool if the siblings have some DF elements in them.
and now that sanjis eyebrows changed, it could signify a reborn/respawned DF power.

suke suke no mi aspects.
all the siblings have powers that can be linked to a DF.

[prime bluff]

Where is crocodile in new world and what he is doing

[edgy furnace]

Possibility, but if sanji is completely transformed to germa cyborg and his DNA altered, then his hair color should have changed like his siblings
One thing notable is that whatever irritation he had on his body is completely gone before he destroyed his germa suit, that makes us thinking is the transformation really complete?
I don't think renju was as evil and cold hearted as her brothers because she saved sanji during his childhood, while the other brothers were laughing at bigmom party reiju was pointing out facts and she acted more like a normal person

What if sanji is the perfect experiment and not a failure like his siblings who lost consciousness and humanity but still has all the power

And one more, with sanji special ability, I guess it has something to do with fire

[sinful helm]

invisibility

[pure raven]

Im spolied

[vestal orbit]

bart

brat

[fathom matrix]

that super tall guy was kinda weird, cause yaknow his lower short arms? his upper arms were much longer and his lower ones were shorter, so he could have been the long armed kid

I dount Lin Lin managed to eat EVERY kid

[solar knoll]

Btw is OP on break?

[severe edge]

yes next week is break but ask that in #manga or #also-manga next time

[pine delta]

i think the sanji stuff is getting taken too far in terms of theorizing imho. however, that is my inner optimist. if the raid does go awry as morj predicted this sanji stuff could be a "darkest hour" type thing. but it makes no sense narraratively for the straw hats to take an L at this junction, and so sanji will not become an emotionless killer

[fathom matrix]

Maybe it may have just ended up being a rock that hit her, plus his anxiety, stress and fear was messing with his head, so he'd probably believe anything if his head was foggy.

Hell, maybe that woman after the raid explains a rock hit her head and more would have hit her if Sanji didn't save her.

Plus again, he seemed very very confident to begin with that he didn't do it, but as soon as he thought back to his siblings, his anxiety spiked back up, and those women pointed the finger, THEN he had doubts.

[calm pond]

I think the fact that BM used 1 year of her lifespan to power up/heal herself was a deliberate choice by oda. Maybe her awakening can allow this to be done on other humans and it might explain the "life long" debt kaido owes her. Kaido was severely injured or something and she used it to heal him, although I'm not sure who's life span she would use to do that

[pure raven]

I am pretty sure the life long debt refers to the DF she gave him at godvalley which saved his life

[calm pond]

Yup, you're right I actually completely missed that the plot point was resolved cause I was dying from the koi fish reveal

[hollow grotto]

dying happily or angrily

either way works, but I need specifics

[calm pond]

Happily, I was making jokes about koi fish kaido for like a whole year or something

[hollow grotto]

great

[split glacier]

Koido*

[sand sail]

She actually can't do this

Souls can't be placed into human forms, living or dead

[calm pond]

Guess I missed that either, I need to reread wci it's been so long

[modest skiff]

I don't buy the idea that it saved his life. It is possible but I don't think we have evidence of that

[pure raven]

It saved in the sense it helped him survive

[modest skiff]

There are no implications it saved his life

[pure raven]

Kaido was a literal apprentice at rocks ship I imagine he had a tough time at godvalley

[pure raven]

We will see in his flashback

[gleaming dawn]

My predictions: sanji dies, big mom's gonna be defeated kaido escapes, so do luffy and his crew,
didn't read manga though dis serious?

[jade moon]

Monster trio changed?

[shut finch]

Sanji not dying

[last agate]

What do you guys think about this

[sinful helm]

i mean he is friends with shanks and about the right age so its possible

[mint prairie]

There is a small, but non zero chance he is their son. He was barely older than Shanks, I believe, and there's that whole thing with Roger talking about not having kids on the Ship since a long time ago while carrying a baby Momonosuke.

I wouldn't bet on that horse, but I am not opposed to it happening.

[pure raven]

explain mihawk's yellow sharingan

[last agate]

Artistic choice?

[junior cape]

Hawk eyes are generally depicted as yellow. His epithet is "Hawk Eyes". I'd imagine it's just a play on his name and design. Also, it looks dope as fuck.

[void sun]

Eneru is the closest to the One Piece. You wanna know why?

Because the One Piece is on the Moon.

That's the theory.

Roger laughed because the way to get to the Moon involved having the Three Great Weapons, and Shirahoshi wasn't a factor yet. He left everything important on Laugh Tale, to help whoever got there get to the true treasure.

[outer leaf]

hes getting his ass beat

[weak arrow]

@wintry vessel no joke theories allowed

you can talk about them in other manga channels

[wintry vessel]

My bad, literally saw the warning right after i hit send

In serious theory talk, it looks like Hawkins is out of commission for wano. Do you all think he is the first supernova to be taken out of commission in the story? And who do you all think his 1% survival prediction was?

[modest skiff]

I think it was himself

[wintry vessel]

ah so you think he didn't know who he was talking about when he said it? that actually makes more sense

[modest skiff]

Why would he not know?

He read his own cards in sabaody vs Kizaru so could be same thing here

[wintry vessel]

do you think he would announce to everyone that he only has a 1% chance then? Thats why i think he wouldnt know specifically who if it was him

[modest skiff]

Maybe I am misremembering but I don’t think he told anyone it was him. Maybe I am not remembering that panel correctly but I just remember him saying a pirate only has a 1% chance of survival. The other obvious answer is Luffy but that’s not fun. Just standard “low odds of survival” kinda tension building

[weak arrow]

Most people assume it refers to Drake. I think Law and Hawkins are other viable answers. Some people also think it's Kid. I don't consider luffy a good option.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, agreed Luffy isn’t a good option since I think Oda wouldn’t write that

In a worse story it would be Luffy

[weak arrow]

Luffy already has a 19% chance to survive the month so he cant have a chance lower than that beforehand

which is why he isnt a good option

but he also doesnt fit the scene

[modest skiff]

Oh, forgot about that

Thanks for the correction

Actually, I do think from a purely mathematical perspective, it could still be Luffy, since the situation changed since the original reading so certain factors could have already come and gone, but we don’t need to go into that

[raw grotto]

https://twitter.com/eustassvinsmoke/status/1458244065623957504

luke (@eustassvinsmoke)

The final war is not gonna be pirates vs marines.

The war starts after the one piece is found. The war is for the one piece. There will be multiple factions in the war

I’m expecting there to be different marines teaming up with pirates

Twitter · Nov 10, 2021, 1:24 AM

do you guys think theres a possibility we see luffy vs bb AFTER OP is found?

[grizzled fog]

thats possible, but i'd say BB will more likely go down before the final war

i would love if BB were still around at that time though, if he and Imu could somehow both be around for that war as two major antagonistic forces

[regal shard]

who is king?

[junior cape]

Hes King. Hope that helps.

[raw grotto]

feel like that would be too much tbh but considering oda wants to finish the story in five years, this is the only way i could see fit

[regal shard]

[raw grotto]

also bb wants to become pk, and its been alluded finding the op makes u pk, so it wouldnt make sense that luffy becomes pk / finds op before the fight with that line of logic

[junior cape]

But really King is an unknown. All we know is that he joined Kaido like 20+ years ago, not who he is.

[regal shard]

getting too hyped for war

[pure raven]

big mom marrys luffy and form the strongest alliance , W take, 5head. Disagreeing is like admitting im right

[junior cape]

Cringe theory

[regal shard]

king really nerfed sanji really bad only zoro can handle him. 1st commander of beast pirates vs. 1st commander of starwhat pirates.

[pure raven]

L take

[grizzled fog]

What part of this is a theory

[regal shard]

im saying that sanji will never be on the level of zoro

[junior cape]

[pure raven]

zoro too much drip and sanji not swag

[regal shard]

its not like im a zoro only fan it is just a fact that zoro will always be stronger than sanji

i cannot be too sure cause we don not know what is going on oda mind

[pure raven]

mugiwaras doesnt have any 1st commander bruh they are literally just 10 luffy being cap and zoro as vc its that easy cap as in captain

[regal shard]

that is how we see his crew. but what about the self proclaimed strawhat followers like bartolomeo,cavendish,etc.

[pure raven]

they are irrelevant in wano

[regal shard]

ya

i think it would be more fun if they came to wano

[noble olive]

blackbeard could be from drum island. luffy says in the manga that he heard in a tavern that people from snow countries dont sleep. buggy also says in oden flashbacks that blackbeard doesnt sleep. he also invaded drum island, which may have been him visiting his home country. maybe somebody already thought of this and im just slow, but it was a cool connection that i found interesting.

[shut finch]

I don’t think he’s from there tbh

Just cuz I can’t think of any reason it’d make sense for him to be from there instead of a different snowy country

[regal shard]

luffy reincarnation of joyboy?

[fresh pecan]

Yep

Kaido said "You couldn't be Joyboy". Whitebeard said to BB "The one Roger is waiting for is not you, Teach" Yamato read Oden's diary and said "Luffy is the man Oden was waiting for" and when they saw the one piece we know there was some message about or by Joyboy with Roger saying "Joyboy, I wish I was born in your era"

And plus, isn't Luffy just the most Joyous of boys?

[regal shard]

i think joyboy was the king of the world

[fresh pecan]

At least the ancient kingdom

[regal shard]

ya

[fresh pecan]

We know that for sure

[regal shard]

and the celestial dragons planned a conspiracy to bring him down and he planned to reincarnate to take back his woeld

[fresh pecan]

The crossbones on the Kouzuki family probably symbolizes the ancient kingdom 🤯

[regal shard]

and the pirates too have crossbones on their flags

[plush pike]

I have a feeling JoyBoy's symbol is those exact crossbones, but the icon is a smiley face without a cross over like Doflamingo's.

[fresh pecan]

I think it links to Indra, one of the three principal gods of Hindu mythology and a protector of humans. He would be reincarnated many times. One of the most popular pieces of Hindu folklore is the Ramayana, about one of Indra's reincarnations slaying a demon king

Also, the real Joyboy, Joyoboyo (or Jayabaya) was believed by many to be a reincarnation of Indra in his time

[regal shard]

[fresh pecan]

As Joyoboyo was a devout Hindu

[plush pike]

That makes sense

[regal shard]

man oda is amazing

[fresh pecan]

OP as a series combines many mythologies into one. I believe the final arc will be Ragnarok

[plush pike]

Final or at least when Elbaph comes around

[fresh pecan]

There's already a zillion references to Nordic mythology in OP, Shanks being Tyr is the most obvious

[regal shard]

i think the war will take place after wano arc

[fresh pecan]

Ace is Baldr, Blackbeard is Loki, Imu is Heimdall

[plush pike]

Could be yeah, though I do think they can still go to new islands like Elbaph to gather allies perhaps during the war.

[fresh pecan]

I think we're going to learn a huge piece of history after Wano, or at least we will learn of some kind of prophecy

[plush pike]

How is Blackbeard Loki? I don't see it. He's tricky for sure, but I don't think he's the king of deception or anything. I don't see how he has viking aspirations.

[regal shard]

i think blackbeard wants to be the king of the world just like rocks

[plush pike]

We have learned plenty of prophecies. Including that piece about Momonosuke being the one that has to bring the dawn. I think that has to do with Momonosuke being able to control Zunisha though more than anything.

[noble olive]

how is ace baldr?

[fresh pecan]

In Norse mythology, the events of Ragnarok would begin when Loki engineers the death of the Baldr, the well-beloved son of the king of the gods, Odin

[plush pike]

I see...

[regal shard]

i think luffy will be able to control them too cause it is shown he can still improve and not reached the limits of using haki

[waxen dust]

we already have a Loki in the story, it doesn’t work

[fresh pecan]

Blackbeard engineers the death of the beloved son of the king of the Pirates, leading to the Marineford war then the current golden age of Pirates

[plush pike]

I mean, the real Loki in the story could just as well be the one to orchestrate it though. He needs a role in the story for sure.

[fresh pecan]

He doesn't have to be Loki by name, only by role that he fills in the myth of Ragnarok

[plush pike]

It could include Blackbeard obviously

[regal shard]

like observation advanced stage futuresight and aramament advanced ryuo

[plush pike]

And I do not think Elbaph will just be a peaceful island they go to and there's no looming threat or anything.

[fresh pecan]

Also, Loki and Heimdall, the one who sits atop all the realms in a castle and sees the events of the realms with his all-seeing eyes, are fated to fight and die in ragnarok

[waxen dust]

Blackbeard is based off of Edward Thatch, irl Blackbeard.
Some people in the story are 1:1 to whom they’re based off

[plush pike]

Loki was willing to throw in with Big Mom when he proposed to Lola, so maybe he's not such a good guy you know.

[regal shard]

luffy has the indirect control of all three weapons from the void century

[fresh pecan]

The real Edward thatch ate the Yami-yami no mi and served under a guy named whitebeard? 😂

[waxen dust]

yes, you know your history pretty well

[plush pike]

Pretty sure Edward Thatch didn't invade a prison and kill the strongest man in the world in order to become an emperor. So not exactly 1:1 :p

[fresh pecan]

Going on with the Heimdall-Imu BB-Loki theory of mine, one of the people Imu hates most from what we've seen is Blackbeard, along with Shirahoshi and Luffy

[plush pike]

What do you think Uranus is?

[fresh pecan]

I think Momonosuke will be able to control great beasts of the land being a dragon, a mythological king of beasts

As Shirahoshi controls behemoths of the sea

[plush pike]

Uranus is a sky god though

I do think Zunisha has more to it than we know of. But has been unable to show its true powers due to being sentenced to walk with the mink tribe on its back without using power.

But that's just speculation for now.

[regal shard]

i think it is zunisha

[ripe geyser]

I doubt it

[plush pike]

Yeah it feels weird to have that "committed a great crime centuries ago" not pan out.

[regal shard]

like shirahoshi controls sea kings is posiedon.

[ripe geyser]

The WG knows what the ultimate weapons are and have been trying to seize them all throughout the series

[regal shard]

similarly momo control zunisha is uranus

[plush pike]

And if controlling an elephant the size of an island isn't ancient weapon material, then what the heck is?

[ripe geyser]

They tried getting Pluton blueprints in water 7 and Im is very set on targeting Shirahoshi

[regal shard]

and franky built a ship that is similar to pluton under the command of captain luffy

[plush pike]

Maybe they couldn't find Zou because it wanders around in the grand line and they don't have a vivre card like the Straw Hats.

[ripe geyser]

I mean that’s a fair counter argument

[regal shard]

they cannot control zou that is the main problem

[plush pike]

In fact, maybe the strange weather patterns in the grand line is because Zunisha is trying to conceil itself?

[regal shard]

but a ship can be built and controlled easily like pluton

i think thousand sunny is pluton

[plush pike]

I have a sneaking suspicion that a certain royal family is needed to activate pluton

[plush pike]

Franky would never do that in a million years. He would be insulting his master.

[regal shard]

i am not sayong it is pluton im saying it is similar to pluton

in a way

[plush pike]

Okay ermm, how can the Thousand Sunny compare to Shirahoshi then? Like even remotely?

[regal shard]

the gaon cannon does pretty huge damage

[plush pike]

Dude Poseidon is a weapon that is said to be able to bring all land into the sea.

[regal shard]

maybe it can eradicate an island

[plush pike]

Nah... It doesn't do more damage than Kaido's boro breath

[regal shard]

we wont know till sunny fights with kaido

[plush pike]

Ehhh from all the feats we've seen so far, Sunny absolutely cannot destroy anything close to an island.

[regal shard]

sunny is like a lite version of pluton

[plush pike]

More like a microscopic version if so

I don't think you appreciate just how big an explosion has to be to completely eradicate an entire island.

There is a reason Big Mom and Kaido are interested in them, they are way stronger than yonko level threats.

It makes sense though that what Blackbeard and the WG atm is going after are the ancient weapons, we just don't know which. If it's Pluton, they may be going to Alabasta, which is my suspicion. It kinda makes sense for either the WG or Blackbeard to possess the first ancient weapon in this final war.

[junior cape]

The thing that makes Robin so dangerous isnt her strength or powers. She knows where 2 of the ancient weapons are, and can read poneglyphs, so if she truly wanted to, she could end the world on her own in several ways.

And that rightly terrifies the govt

Which is why CP0 is on the move now. They want her alive, yes, but if push comes to shove, theyll easily kill her to preserve the world order. I think the next brook-Robin interlude will be them running into Denjiro, and them fighting off CP0.

I mean, denjiro is the only vassal Oda hasn't really used recently. We dont even know where he is, and brook-Robin have been running for a while, so them meeting would be very possible

[mortal bane]

maybe cp0, Kawa & Denjiro, and the rest of the strawhats on the live floor will square off

[junior cape]

Hmmm. Maybe. But Denjiro was headed in a completely different direction from the floor. Maybe ed the fire rerouted him...

[mortal bane]

if not the fire, then the Kurozumi ghost

[solid badger]

Denjiro was hyped up on the flower capital and I think we all agree he wasn’t used much in the raid, at least he didn’t perform as much as we expected

Him holding off a CP0 or even taking down one would be fire

Big meme pirates hold off cp0 convoy and remaining fighters hold off cp0 in wano

Jinbe could give some more, he practically just mid diffed who’s who.

[scenic flare]

Any recom theory worth reading?

[dense shadow]

Okay well then...

[ancient vault]

The ones pinned

[nimble thistle]

Considering the latest theory that Imu has the Water Nymph DF, basically complete control of the ocean, it would make sense for the WG to a degree to want to control the Sea Kings as well. They would be able to single-handedly dominate the entirety of the planet with two moves if they had Shirahoshi's power to control Sea Kings as well, if Imu can indeed control the Sea.

[tacit veldt]

Denjiro Is clearly "the Sanji" of the scabbards. Disappears for a thousand chapters then shows up and does something incredible. I'm certain he's up to do something off screen that will be crucial in some strange backwards way right at the brink of disaster

[peak grail]

Noah could possibly be Pluton too

[real basin]

Brook will be the one to protect Robin (he's doing it right now) what I mean is he will fight lucci

[split glacier]

Lucci isn't even here tho 🙄

[real basin]

That's my point

[somber sphinx]

CP0 will stand no chance. GOD ussop is OTW

[proud tree]

can someone here play Go? Did Oda encode a secret message in that Go Game that CP0 played in Chapter 1003.. or is it just a loosing game for white?

All I can understand from the go board: white can still win this game, if black is really stupid

[terse fable]

Wait isn't there like 5 CP ppl in Wano?

[proud tree]

iirc only 3

3 of them wear masks ... and the eye paper lady also has a mask and for some reason helps them?

[terse fable]

(Maybe she is also a CP but not a CP0.?)

[raw palm]

Are the masked ones even stronger than Lucci?

[tacit veldt]

Robin that's the worst possible place for you to be chillin

[terse fable]

Maybe they are.

[tacit veldt]

I damn expect them to be

[proud tree]

No lucci did wear a mask at Dressrosa. ... But he did not wear a mask at Meri Joa, while an other member still had a mask on.

[raw palm]

I bet one of them is a D

[tacit veldt]

Scar guy sure has D vibes

[proud tree]

no there is no reason to assume this

But Oda will have to explain the merries soon

[terse fable]

Tho again Cp9 did have masks too when active.

[raw palm]

I am assuming because they work only to prevent the secrets to be revealed and only a D would know a lot about those secrets

[proud tree]

yeah but they also took their masks off when needed, while these CP0 members cant seemingly take them off smh

[tacit veldt]

No reason to assume only a D would. A good bunch of the Ds we know are troglodits

[terse fable]

Maybe they will later (or they will be broken when they would lose).

[proud tree]

Like Kings mask

[raw palm]

Yeah I only assumed because even Ds can betray other Ds

[terse fable]

Some D's r in the dark. And ppl like DR Kureha knows what the will of D is.

Something must have been common knowledge at her time. Maybe during the rocks period.

[raw palm]

Does anyone think that Shakky may be related to rocks

she is 64 I think

[terse fable]

(Some silhouettes point out that she may have been in the crew but idk about familly relation.)

[errant nova]

It’s unconfirmed but most in the community assume she was on his crew. Times line up right and her relationship with Rayleigh makes it believable. They had an exchange once about being enemies or fighting one another at one point in time

[junior cape]

...No. Oda made it pretty explicitly clear that Dragon is Garp's son back on Water 7 and Marineford, and that Luffy is his Grandson by blood. Chin Jao also makes note of this on Dressrosa, saying he could've killed Dragon to get his revenge, but that wasn't good enough for him.

[amber oar]

Garp had never referred to Luffy as the son of his son
Vivre cards did

[junior cape]

Yeah that too. Your theory is incredibly shakey and full of holes at best, and just downright wrong the rest of the time.

[lavish raft]

When

[amber oar]

In Dragon's vivre card. It says "Born as Garp's son"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/905976316849971240/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/905976207294730300/unknown.png

Here's Chinjao's panel

[lavish raft]

Maybe translation mistake

Maybe they meant son in law

[junior cape]

...probably not

[amber oar]

are you trolling?

[lavish raft]

No

[junior cape]

These cards have been out for years. Any mistakes would be fixed by now

[lavish raft]

I said maybe

[amber oar]

well, there's no maybe. It's already well established in several points

[junior cape]

Any that's a very small maybe.

[median whale]

i have a theory that uk there is island where luffy will go and see a man stuck in a chest ig that island is laugh tale

[formal quest]

What if at Laugh Tale JoyBoy is stuck in a chest(which made Roger laugh) and the only way to free him is using the three ancient weapons

[pine delta]

thats so big brain i can see it happening

the whole time you think the gaimon chapter was a foreshadowing one piece is empty, but the real foreshadowing is that joyboy is stuck in the chest

roger would be such an asshole for just laughing at him and talking about the island right in front of him

[last agate]

shakky says rayleigh dissapears for months at a time sometimes, so waht if he just swims to laugh tale to check if the one piece is still there every now and then

[mortal field]

Also everytime someone we never seen before gets an image, they look nothing like the person at all

I doubt Rocks is Dragons Dad, until we actually see him. And even then, Oda said he is Garps son

[last agate]

yea just look at post enies lobby kaido

[mortal field]

And BM

[mossy badge]

Sorta ridiculous theory: Vivi actually found out what Luffy's message to the Strawhats actually means and actually did train in the event she will come back. If two years in Baroque Works made her a dangerous fighter that can potentially lop heads off with weapons attached to her pinky finger when before all that she was just some kid who probably knew how to brawl against other kids, then you can bet some additional training and the right gear could put her in a reasonably competent spot as a fighter.

[last agate]

every strawhat has a role beside fighter, what would vivis be

[mossy badge]

That's a good question yet it's been clear she's very much a Strawhat even though she chose to remain at home to help her country repair. She could be a diplomat as I heard some people felt could be useful. Like how she diffused tensions at Drum Island despite her age. Years being a leader alongside her father could make her a lot better in that regard.

[crystal spire]

i mean thats what zoro official role literally is

not saying that vivi will join since i doubt it

[last agate]

you cant really compare zoro with vivi and zoro is the right hand man too

[mortal field]

Zoro is meant to be vice captain, but without the title

[mossy badge]

Yeah, unless the story really went to a direction, it's just a theory.

[mortal field]

I felt that

[real swan]

I actually really like this idea of Vivi being the crew's diplomat, can help bridge an alliance between WG and the SH crew against blackbeard or even Imu perhaps since her kingdom is also being targeted.

[hollow grotto]

The way the story is going really doesn't feel like Vivi is needed to be brought into the crew again, it's likely she'll stay an honorary Straw Hat even if the demand for her to rejoin is high. Her role seems to be very important politically, just not in terms of being with the Straw Hats directly

same would go for Shirahoshi, Rebecca ect.

[mint prairie]

"So... still there?"
"Yeah, it's been so long already and these fools haven't tried checking under D. Enies Lobby even once. No wonder nobody has found it yet."
"You mean Enies Lobby?"
"So that's what they call it nowadays?"

• Wrtten by: Oda Eiichirou, Yuderon. Produced by: Ohara.

[last agate]

denies lobby is the biggest asspull i heard

[hollow grotto]

I really don't understand the logic behind it

Spandam must have to be the luckiest man alive after Buster Calling Enies Lobby

[uncut root]

L

[limber turret]

So weird theory time

And it comes from rereading Skypia arc

I've heard theories about how "Because Blackbeard doesn't sleep he can't dream"

I don't think that is the case because in Skypia, there is this famous line he chucks out
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/597220870464864303/907558681619615764/unknown.png

At the time, I was thinking that he meant that in a figurative sense. That the age of dreams will never end. But I think there might have been a double meaning there. For him, the "Dream" will never end.

At least, those are my thoughts

[ripe geyser]

Totally agree

[cyan berry]

!denieslobby

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[ripe geyser]

I’m not gonna deny that Enies Lobby is hiding something though cause it definitely is

But Denies just doesn’t make any sense and doesn’t really associate with anything

[last agate]

enies lobby just looks like fujitoras awakenings if anything

[ripe geyser]

Sooo many ppl would be completely dumbfounded if Denies Lobby was actually a thing

I know I would be, and I would need a really well thought out explanation in order to tolerate it

[last agate]

if laugh tale is at the bottom of enies lobby and it was explained well i still wouldnt accept denies lobby

it just doesnt make sense, the word i mean

[mossy badge]

Yeah, not much to dispute about why Vivi is unlikely to come back. Though I do like the small tidbits of scenes in Alabasta of her keeping tabs of the Strawhats and making clear of her thoughts regarding their situations. She forgave Robin despite the latter's acts in Alabasta (she didn't even have the context to understand Robin's circumstances, but Luffy trusts her, then Vivi can gladly do the same), she definitely got the gist of Luffy's message in Marineford despite again having no context, etc. Again, it just feels like reading things too much but it does feel like at times that Oda will fulfill this promise they made upon leaving Alabasta. I apologize on the wordiness but I gotta say my piece why I have such a theory should Vivi come back without feeling like an asspull. It may not make sense in the narrative but this is Oda here...He somehow twists things to make it happen like some narrative wizard.

...Like make you cry for a boat via the sudden twist it always had a soul and loved it crew.

[ripe geyser]

The names of nearly all the places the SHs have been to are actual words except for “enies” lobby

Loguetown isn’t a word but the word logue is a reference to prologue, meaning intro to the story

Even Sabaody isn’t a random name, it refers to the word sabão which is Portuguese for soap

[amber oar]

this command is a masterpiece

[ripe geyser]

Wano isn’t random either cause Wano kuni means “land of harmony” in Kanji

But the word Enies isn’t a word and it isn’t a reference or part of any word from any language

Even with this information I still believe the word Denies wouldn’t have any sense-making context with Enies Lobby

Either way Enies Lobby is a totally odd place because the time of day is FROZEN there and the town in the center has brown clay buildings while the judicial buildings and CP9 headquarters are made of white marble

It’s not gonna be Denies Lobby it’s gonna be Denny’s Lobby

[fathom matrix]

I can imagine Boa's version of this

she's still beautiful and looks young from 40-60 in the good future, but she's a lot nicer and kinder

but in the bad future, she starts to look a bit ugly and gets paranoid about her looks, but she then she really falls into the ugly evil old lady look and asks if she's still beautiful

cause yaknow, oda likes to reflect personality on the outside too at times

[hardy shoal]

Momo must be the one who should defeat kaido

[solid badger]

“Nah” -Oda

[drowsy marsh]

Pretty sure it is greek

[quiet cosmos]

nah man

[ripe geyser]

Is it? I’ve never heard of that, what Greek word is it referring to?

[near osprey]

It wouldn't really work or make sense

[mossy badge]

Nah. At the very least he's still doing something heroic because no way is he able to match against Kaido as of currently. This is like saying Vivi should've defeated Crocodile or Rebecca should've defeated Doflamingo when frankly they wouldn't stand a chance and kinda leaves Luffy without a mano a mano fight that shows his considerable growth as a fighter. Let Luffy kick the big bad's ass while you contribute to something a lot more useful.

[sacred hawk]

So what if the next anime opening is a remix of "We Go"? As a celebration of the 1000th episode

Like how they did "We Are" in pre timeskip

[near osprey]

1000 is going to be so spicy

[ripe geyser]

Oh wait that’s actually a possibility

Celebrate we are for 10th op and celebrate we go for 1000th ep

[errant nova]

Bro she literally is getting targeted by the ruler of the world. And right after that we get the first image of luffy in wano saying he wants to see her again. They’re going to save her as if they’d save any other crewmate

[pure raven]

Parallel to robin yes

[hollow grotto]

Saving somebody doesn't mean they're rejoining the crew

[errant nova]

Alabasta is in turmoil most likely. Vivi will rejoin after they save her and fight with them in the final war

[hollow grotto]

The Final War likely takes place at Mariejois, where Vivi is also most likely to be held

[fresh pecan]

Oh boy can't wait to see them cover half of chapter 991

[copper frost]

The Final War is most likely going to be scattered across the world imo with different factions coming in arms against different branches of the WG scattered throughout the world, however the main action would be on the Red Line

[nimble thistle]

Enies it self is not a word, but Enie is, and it's Greek meaning: “strong-born” or “born to strength” (from ancient Greek “ī́phios/ῑ̓́φῐος” = strong/stout + “goné/γονή” = offspring/birth).

How that defines Enies Lobby though is beyond me. However, something I saw while looking for the word said that Pluton created that waterfall-crater that Enies Lobby is around. 🤔 Maybe the two could be tied together.

It could also, just spitballing a quick idea off of the "offspring/birth" meaning of 'enie', maybe refer to the point that the Straw Hat crew became a legitimized Pirate crew. Before that point, they were mostly just friends, clowning around, going place-to-place, causing mischief and ultimately righting wrongs. At the end of Enies Lobby, they become a legitimized, tried-and-true Pirate crew that overcame the trial of separation facing them at Water 7. Maybe Oda meant Enies Lobby to be a sort of birthplace for the SHs going forward. 🤷

[nimble thistle]

I imagine that a good portion of the Final War is going to be reconciled at Loguetown. A town that was, iirc, called sort of like "The beginning and the end" of Pirate journeys in that Sea.

It's a place where The King of the Pirates, Gol D. Roger, both began and ended his journey. And since Luffy and Roger appear to have a great amount of parallels in their journey, I reckon Loguetown is going to be quite important near the end of the story on the way to Mariejois.

[heavy ocean]

Rewatching one piece, just finished Drum island.

This may be a minor theory but what if Dr Kurehas "youth" is attributed to the Ope Ope no Mi Perennial Youth Operation?

Been curious on what that process entails and how people know about it

[proud tree]

She is "only" ~140" years old ... giants can get 600 years old or smthn ... so imo Kurea is not that special for a human that knows about medicine.

[heavy ocean]

Too bad everyone kept interrupting her when she was about to reveal the secret to her youth

[pure raven]

You rewatch one piece?🚷

[proud tree]

what does this emoji mean in that context?

[heavy ocean]

Yup, may have missed a few important details which oda can sneakily use in future chapters

There was a mention of a mysterious character named Arnote who discovered Little Garden who wrote a book on it.

Nami was researching Little Garden in the start of that arc and came across that book

[native turret]

yamato will stay in wano and kaido will join luffy

[heavy ocean]

I dunno how this info will fit into future chapters in the story but it would be interesting if Oda recycled the character

If there was an Elbaf arc after Wano, it can possibly fit

Louis Arnote, the author of Brag Men and the explorer who named Little Garden

[latent zodiac]

Ar note.

Arrr note.

Note cause he wrote a book

Hah

Also Noland was executed because there was No land

[sinful helm]

Possible this dude is the inspiration for him

[night lava]

This just came across my mind, is it possible that theres dragon dragon fruit? I mean, ancient zoans have "dragon dragon model: blah blah blah". This may be a stretch even luffy can handle, but can the said dragon dragon fruit be in use by dragon?

[tacit veldt]

To be honest, dragons seem to be a type of fish in the OP world. The only real dragon we know of is the "evolution" of a carp. My idea is that dragons are just the Sea Kings of the white sea. The "dragon dragon" fruit denomination is used for dinosaurs and large reptiles, so It would be somewhat weird to have a Dragon Dragon Model ACTUAL DRAGON fruit

[vestal orbit]

we've had actual western style dragons on punk hazard and in the monsters oneshot with ryuma

[terse fable]

It could be the original for the dragon in PH tho.

[rose spoke]

What is the schedule like this week that there is a break

When are spoilers due to come?

You guys think the reverie, marines or the WG are going to appear soon?

[vestal orbit]

i predict wg/marines > reverie flashback > back to marines/wg

[rose spoke]

So who is appearing first, marines Like fujitora or even sakazuki after they get out of wano or they coming in?

[patent summit]

There was a theory about roger having the wind wind/weather weather fruit. And that dragon has that fruit now

[pure raven]

That sounds solid

I’m always confused about character we’ve seen no clear fruit possibilities

[patent summit]

Dragon could have just had an Apple in his backpocket during rogers execution

[sinful helm]

I don't remember seeing anything in manga or anime that shows roger with a devil fruit

[tacit veldt]

The only clue we have about that is for Roger (and no one in his crew too) to not have had a Devil fruit. Back in Buggy's flashback during Orange Town, a crewmate that sees the fruit comments on how rare they are in a way that suggests nobody on the ship had one. This is a very long time ago in OP so It could always be retconned, but until Oda proves It wrong i'm believing that noone except Buggy had a Devil fruit power on Roger's ship at the time Buggy ate his fruit

[fluid cloak]

D means demon

[pure raven]

D means devil

the descendants of devils and the original creators of the devil fruit

[normal flame]

Do you think Joy Boy is also a D or like the original will of D

[drowsy oracle]

Depends if he wrote on the ponoglyphs or if he created them

[slender flint]

:D

[lavish raft]

No

We don't know much about him

[amber oar]

we know the Kozuki clan made the poneglyphs. Now, they could have made them following Joyboy's dictate, like Oden made Roger's message in Skypiea

[bitter kraken]

Shanks is supposed to be making his move soon, finally we will see what’s up with this guy

[amber oar]

sure gramps let's go to bed

(sorry couldn't help it)

[ancient vault]

lmao

[bitter kraken]

Tf

[ancient vault]

Oda lies every year in jumpfesta. Dont take it seriously

[amber oar]

I'm not sure if it was a lie or a miscalculation, could have been the latter

[ancient vault]

Point is. It never happens

[ancient vault]

Where is boa sabo and vivi 2 years later lol

[amber oar]

wasn't that one before 957?

[ancient vault]

Nah. Jump festa came out december 2019
957 came out september 2019

[amber oar]

ah, well.

I remember "He Laughed" was either the last of 2019 or the first of 2020 and was using that as reference, but I thought the "boa will... sabo will" line was from the festa 2018

[ancient vault]

I dont remember anything else from 2019

Maybe youre right

Nvm youre not

[amber oar]

dammit Oda
act 3 will never end

[night jewel]

i think that is a mistranslation from artur

oda specifically mentions "once wano ends, vivi will.. " etc in the translation that i had found

http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2019/12/22/jump-festa-2020-one-piece-announcements/

[amber oar]

hmmm, that makes a lot more sense

[sinful helm]

idk i see Vivi and or Boa joining Straw hats too be protected from wg

[tardy pumice]

Oda GNU sounds like a Linux distro.

[mint prairie]

Don't let your dreams be dreams.

[wary fossil]

• blackbeard

[ripe geyser]

Zoro will have 1.7 billion bounty

Luffy Alabasta bounty: 100 mil

Zoro EL bounty: 120 mil

Luffy EL bounty: 300 mil
Zoro Dressrosa bounty: 320 mil

The flaw with this pattern though is that it implies Zoro must get a 700 mil bounty next which definitely won’t be the case

[sturdy hawk]

He didn't say when it would happen

[ripe geyser]

I think it’s gonna be in between act 3 and post-raid

2021 OP already had plenty of hype 2022 OP is gonna be even better

[fathom matrix]

I wonder if they'll get new wanted posters?

In fact, I can imagine Sanji getting a cool one and the crew shouting "LOOK AT THAT SANJI, YOU LOOK AWESOME!" but he doesn't care cause he's stil upset over what transpired back during the raid

[ripe geyser]

It would be so funny if Sanji’s next bounty shows him in the raid suit

I love how random it is that Chopper and Sanji of all SHs are given bounties they won’t be satisfied with

[charred meteor]

sanji 1.45B zoro 1.44B

IMO

[ripe geyser]

I’m gonna go with 1.7 for Zoro and 1.4 bil for Sanji

[charred meteor]

thats fair, but snaji edges zoro imo bcuz sanji cant be cut anymore as per chapter 1030

[ripe geyser]

We haven’t even seen the best of Sanji yet

And as for Zoro’s powering up we haven’t even started yet

All I know is that Wano is extremely important for the story and is the transition to the final stretch of the story so the SHs probably won’t be getting such huge powerups anymore

A shonen that DOESN’T do big powerups for MCs in the final saga is unheard of and I would love to see it

[fathom matrix]

Zoro was never part of the "big mom assassination plot"

so his bounty lagged behind along with robin, franky and usopp's

I'd say yeah, Luffy 3 billion, Zoro 1.7 billion, Sanji 1.4 billion, Jinbei, 900-700 million.

Chopper, 1,000, Usopp 400 million, franky 170 million, Robin 280 million, Brook 150 milllion, Nami 120 million

Law and Kidd's might be 2 billion each

Honestly, it'd be interesting if BM was still defeated but she remained an emporer, but when Kaido's defeated and there's a seat open, Law's like "I don't care about being an emporer, you can have it for all I care" and Kidd argues saying "LIKE HELL I WAS GONNA SHARE IT WITH YOU, IT'S ALL MINE"

so there's still 5 emporers

but Law kinda just gives Kidd the credit and doesn't really care

[pastel summit]

No one except Luffy and Sanji got bounty increases for WCI, and Sanji's was basically solely because of Germa association. Only Luffy really got any increase there.

[civic locust]

i think ruffys bounty will be still under bleackys

WG and Shanks are really afraid of BB

btw who cares about their bounty if there is absoilutly no priate hunter around who could catch'em

[grizzled fog]

bleacky?

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think sanji or zoro’s bounties will go above 1bill close to it tho

[scenic thicket]

robins def getting kidnapped again sometime. maybe not wano but def in the future

if skypeia is the blueprint and enel is basically Im bc of the status of “god” luffys fruit is the only power that can stand against Im. if u look back at when doffy kicked luffy with his little pointy feet it reminds me of pointy Im

[oak mortar]

lol you think sanji will beat queen in chapter 1032? 0_0

[pure raven]

Yes

[burnt flint]

So mihawk, shanks can't cut sanji? Lmao

[ancient vault]

Bro gave blackbeard a nickname like that

[oak plover]

I'm sure I've asked these before but: 1) do we every get direct manga confirmation that Crocodile was responsible for rain not falling in Alabasta for three years? In my last readthrough I know he takes credit for Yuba's problems and he obviously has access to Dance Powder but do we ever get confirmation that he's creating Alabasta's rain problems and not just taking advantage of/exacerbating them?

2. whats your opinion on Croc having Awakened his fruit as why he can dehydrate things/people. It's not unheard of for paramythias to have weird-ass ancillary powers but Logias I don't think we've seen doing the same type of things? They're mostly just "become substance, shoot substance, Must Be This Haki to Ride"

[patent summit]

It may be. Crocodile said he masterd his df to perfection

[oak plover]

3. Old Question Returns: Logias and Active vs Passive Insubstantial. Whitebeard pirates mention Ace setting straw hats on fire accidentally, implying an "always Fire" state. Ace & Smoker get clocked by Luffy in Alabasta when surprised, but also in a comedy sequence that could be akin to Nami (non Armament-confirmed) raising bruises on Luffy/Sanji/Zoro. Ace may or may not have seen the bullets coming at him that he burns through when he catches up to Blackbeard. I don't think we have any other examples of Logia users getting caught unaware by an attack, so it's hard to say from those fights. Akainu shows that Logias can Insubstantial their way out of haki attacks but that it is "a pain", implying it's an active choice to dodge those. I think Katakuri gives evidence-one-removed for that, since he's a weird ass paramythia.

Any other data points I missed?

Frustratingly, Akainu merking Ace sidesteps the issue by going with Magma Burns Fire.

Could have been a great datapoint and also an even stronger WTF!?! if we didn't know how but then confirmed that Akainu just used Armament Haki to crunch Ace.

with hindsight it'd be odd if Ace didn't have the base level of power to avoid even a Haki-infused attack but i think that moment wouldnt be any worse than the slight power-level oddities we've seen since then

[mortal field]

It was first the King using the rain dance but Crocodile kept importing them. When the town realized who was causing no rain the supplies were exposed on the King. Croc was responsible for drying up wells thi

[mortal field]

I like to say he awakened his df but 9/10 he probably did NW but not PTS. We never seen an awakend logia

[mint prairie]

Cobra never used Dance Powder.

[mortal field]

Damn rip me and my braincells

[snow herald]

What If!
Sanji ends up dying or comes near death and law uses his awakening or immortality op on him.

[mint prairie]

The entire plot was about setting him up and they only had the cargo "accidentally revealed" so the people would turn on him.

[mortal field]

But Dance Powder was being used, ig Crocodile was using it

[mint prairie]

They also snuck it in the palace to plant more evidence.

If I recall correctly, Crocodile left Rainbase in order to procure Marine reinforcements and ended up seizing Baroque Works ships containing dance powder, so I guess they burned it on the sea, possibly Rainbase as well, in order to dry Alabasta.

[mortal field]

Yea, then again Alabasta is a whole ass desert

[mint prairie]

However, I don't think there's any mention of Rainbase being a safe spot from the Alabasta droughts.

[mortal field]

Deserts dont rain much anyways, its not crazy to think he kicked Sand up in the clouds to dry it

[mint prairie]

He singlehandledly dried Yuba, so I guess it's not too farfetched.

[grizzled fog]

I mean he essentially buried yuba

Taking away rain without just destroying the town like yuba is a bit different

[mint prairie]

However, given the Navy actually seized a large amount of Dance Powder at sea, I think it was easier to burn it over time.

[grizzled fog]

There’s nothing explicitly preventing crocodile from having been using his fruit to dry Alabasta, but that’s just unnecessary since we already know he had a ship burning it constantly for that exact purpose offshore

[mortal field]

Ight we got google on our side

[grizzled fog]

?

That page doesn’t add anything. We know crocodile was responsible for stealing the rain

[mortal field]

Now its in cement

[sturdy hound]

Man that font is weird

[oak plover]

Thanks thats the SOurcing I wanted

[mortal field]

[lavish raft]

But it shows the realisation that the rebel leader messed up

[bronze spoke]

Can one also state that stealing the rain may be the act of the logia power taking affect on surrounding? Arrival of Ace made drum kingdom to not snow for a full whole day. So maybe arrival of crocodile made it so that the rain never fell. Made the environment of desert over the years (long term effect) in whole alabasta due to his presence which was a passive effect. Meanwhile him destroying yuba or using dance powder was an active act

[mortal field]

That could also be a factor, tho sometimes it doesnt always happen. Enel being in skypeia should usually cause thinderstorms but it was perfectly fine

They probably have to go out there way to do it on purpose

[oak plover]

Some people point to punk hazard as evidence of logia awakening but if you do that you have to say that pretty much all logias we’ve seen are awakened then and that’s weird

[mortal field]

Yea, plus they fought there for 10 days straight

Its not weird to think they changed it by having their df on blast the entire time

[coral comet]

[prime bluff]

I have a theory about shanks
How he reached marineford faster

[sinful helm]

Logia awakening can't be defined by us until we see one in action

[prime bluff]

He can communicate with sea kings

[mortal field]

In terms of controlling he cant

But he probably told em what he needs to do and got there, wouldnt be surprising

[lucid minnow]

Has anyone considered that red roc may be a hint that Luffy's other grandfather is rox?

[agile zenith]

Yeah I've seen the theory

But I don't know about the red rock being a hint

[small junco]

I've seen that too and I'm not kinda buying it

[agile zenith]

I mean I buy it, but I don't know what the red rock would have to do with it

[small junco]

Make sense

[agile zenith]

Wait what

[gray creek]

They sound similar, but they have nothing to do with each other

[agile zenith]

Elaborate

Oh the red rock, my bad I understand

[gray creek]

Right. Roc is a bird. It fits Luffy’s attack naming scheme

[agile zenith]

I actually think Uranus could be a roc

That dwarfs zou

[gray creek]

That would make more sense than Zunisha at least

[small junco]

Sorry. Wrong choice of words. That should've been, you have a point

[agile zenith]

Imagine a roc bird that makes zunesha look this small

Everyone thought luffy would use the red roc to one shot Jack

Because the roc bird was said to prey on elephants

But did not happen

[pure raven]

Elephant = zunesha

Pluton = red roc

https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAM/mind-blown-amazed.gif

[modest skiff]

Pluton is a ship

[pure raven]

[terse fable]

Uranus then?

[agile zenith]

Judges epithet is garuda I think

[lavish raft]

What is that egg

[near osprey]

Just a cool prop

[agile zenith]

And the garuda in Buddaism is a sun like eagle

[near osprey]

So Shiryu vs Zoro confirmed later on now that we got a color spread of the first mates

Who'd win Rayleigh in his Prime or Zoro when he reaches his prime

[mortal field]

We dont know Zoro prime

[pine delta]

to oda: they would just tie

[agile zenith]

And if I'm correct about the tapestry that Enel saw.

Uranus is sun related in some capacity.

[pine delta]

because there would never be a scenario they have to fight seriously

[near osprey]

Obviously Rayleigh can't de-age himself

[mortal field]

Doubt

[near osprey]

Dudes a year younger than Sengoku

[near osprey]

Considering the growth of Luffy and Zoro I can see Sanji developing CoC

[agile zenith]

Zoro will surpass Rayleigh

Because shounen always follows the trope of surpassing the previous gen

Which is a very unrealistic trope

[near osprey]

I wouldn't say the previous gen as Rayleigh is like 78

Would Shanks Generation be considered the previous?

[lavish raft]

Wdym It happens rarely

[agile zenith]

OK 2 gens ago

[mortal field]

I mean, most people need a strong will to have CoC

[agile zenith]

It happens all the time man

[mortal field]

Sanji doesnt need it to catch up, all mans gotta do is work on his diable jambe

[agile zenith]

Every shounen has the new surpassing the old man.

Just how they write their shit for kids to be happy

[near osprey]

Yeah but Luffy, Zoro and Yamato are already CoC users be weird for Sanji to be the only one left out in the cold persay

[mortal field]

With strong wills like becoming pirate king, strongest swordsman, and becoming one with Oden

[agile zenith]

If Gaban doesn't have conquerors, sanji isn't gonna have it

[mortal field]

I doubt someone going “i wont hit a woman” is getting coc

[agile zenith]

Just how it works man

[mortal field]

If thats the case, Usopp should get due to his will being “brave warrior of the sea”

[agile zenith]

Sanji getting conquerors doesn't really make sense to me

He constantly let's woman walk all over him

[near osprey]

I don't see how that'd prevent him from getting it.

[agile zenith]

You need a conqueroring will to be a conqueror

That means you only submit to those who you deem above you like the way

Ray
Kat
Zoro
Yamato
Oden do

[mortal field]

Having CoC means that you stand out

[agile zenith]

I mean that's something that applies to all conquerors but that is a very shitty explanation or half ass I should say

[mortal field]

Every supernova eas shocked that Zoro wasn’t the captain of the SH

[near osprey]

and he does stand out I mean he's a Vinsmoke and possibly part Lunarian

[mortal field]

Thats like saying Chopper stands out due to having different points

[near osprey]

Plus Sanji = Zoro in terms combat capabilities

[agile zenith]

Your definition was not good bro

[mortal field]

No

[stuck ore]

i disagree

sanji is meant to be chef while zoro is a fighter so zoro is meant to be strong

[agile zenith]

Sanji is getting this science stuff because zoro is getting conquerors.

Oda has made it where only conquerors can be at the top of the verse

Sanji won't need conquerors to be admiral level

[near osprey]

I see him using CoC later on personally

[mortal field]

Hell look at the admirals

[agile zenith]

All powerups sanji needs from now on to reach admiral level

Future sight
New flames

[mortal field]

Only one i can think of having CoC is Akoji and Akaniu

[near osprey]

It'd give his kicks another oomff

[agile zenith]

Sanji isn't getting conquerors man

Just chill with this, we get you like him

[mortal field]

Kizaru damn well doesnt have CoC, he doesn’t have qualities fittin for it

But aint nobody hanging with Kizaru if he fights them

[agile zenith]

Kizaru is a perfect example of someone at that level without conquerors

[stuck ore]

you are never too sure

[agile zenith]

Doffy is weaker than kizaru

Kizaru hasn't shown conquerors yet has already shown his stronger than kat or doffy

Aka you don't need it man

[mortal field]

Man kept WB at bay

[stuck ore]

ah in that sense yeah

[near osprey]

CoC was really expressed as well as it is now he could've been using it during his clash with Rayleigh or WB

[agile zenith]

Sanji isn't getting it
He is not a conqueror and that's not a bad thing

He submits to woman, that's not what a conqueror does.

It's will to stand above others, something sanji doesn't do.

[near osprey]

wasn't*

[pure raven]

What are the qualities for COC? Because there's a strong argument that Rayleigh doesn't have the qualities either but...

[agile zenith]

Rayleighs epithet is the dark king, so in some manner not expressed yet in the series

He is kingly

We don't know enough about Rayleigh to say that

We know enough about sanji though

[pure raven]

He's the dark king because he's the guy who's always was next to the pirate King, his shadow

[agile zenith]

Thats your interpretation don't force your headcanon on me

[mortal field]

Have a strong will for something

Never submit

Stand out amongst crowd

Sigma grindset baby

[pure raven]

What we do know about Rayleigh - when Roger found him, he was relaxing and drinking on a boat, now Rogers gone, he's spent his free time relaxing, drinking and gambling.

That's a common theme there, doesn't seem like it fits your head Canon of coc

[agile zenith]

You say it like this was said in the story.
The explanation is decent just the way you say it, is what is weird, like where in the story does it say that's the reason

[near osprey]

Man tbh hate how Oda has bounties sometimes Luffy easily should be setting at 3B right now

[stuck ore]

on what basis?

[near osprey]

Considering the fact he's taken down Three Shicibukai and even invaded Big Moms Island

[agile zenith]

I said we don't know enough about Rayleigh

And if relaxing and drinking means that you don't have the qualities of a conqueror

No one in one piece has them then

[stuck ore]

he hasnt defeated a single yonko yet to be on that position

[near osprey]

Neither has Blackbeard

[stuck ore]

he lost to bm in world's eyes

[mortal field]

Killed WB

[agile zenith]

Kid and law won't be emperors after wano

Law isn't even a real pirate

[stuck ore]

he was the one who killed wb, took down marineford and ran away from under the marines

[pure raven]

But we can extrapolate from what we know, you don't need to be "kingly" to have conquerors. You just have to be lucky and be born with it.

[near osprey]

Killed WB when WB had like 5% HP left

[stuck ore]

yeah and destroyed marineford

[agile zenith]

No you can't, because we don't know enough about Rayleigh

[mortal field]

Look at Doffy

Doffy deadass told Bell that he didnt care what he become, as long as the world burns

[stuck ore]

well a french king indeed

[mortal field]

Man stood out amongst many, and was a terror to everyone

[agile zenith]

Its like saying we know enough about garp to understand why he has the epithet hero

We have barely seen garp do anything heroic

Dragons title
Mihawks title
Garps title
And Rayleigh title

Will all be expanded on in flashbacks or the main story

[pure raven]

So after everything we've seen from Rayleigh, he's hiding his kingly attributes, he just stayed in sabaody for some master plan

[mortal field]

Worse, man became a spanish king.

[agile zenith]

Hiding, when would he need to show them

What position has Rayleigh been put in to show whether he is kingly or not

[near osprey]

Anyways considering someone's bounty represents their threat level to the Government let's consider everything Luffy has done

Destroyed Enies Lobby, invaded Impel Down and performed the first recorded breakout in its history, took down three Shicibukai, went to Whole Cake Island and wrecked the place. Has a Grand Fleet of powerful Pirates in their own right. Has the only person who can read Poneglyphs on his ship. Stood with Whitebeard at Marineford and heavily contributed to it's almost success

[pure raven]

Why would he have spent the past 20 years just drinking and gambling if he's some ambitious guy or whatever quality you think coc needs

[near osprey]

That's a 3B Berry man right now if you ask me.

1.5B really down plays his achievements

[agile zenith]

If you stop having a dream

It doesn't mean you lose your Conquerors bro

[stuck ore]

his bounty started low but it makes sense they always made his bounty a lot low

[agile zenith]

You think if luffy stopped wanting to be pk he would lose his conquerors haki

[mortal field]

Thats the point of the marines, they took away his role of beating Crocodile

[pure raven]

Oh because we know before Roger he was also really ambitious

[agile zenith]

The ability is genetic

Because people like yamato should not have it based on qualities

[mortal field]

Insert Chin Jo, man stopped working for the Navy but had CoC

[gray creek]

That’s the common assumption for what happened to Ace

[near osprey]

If they didn't try and cover up the fact he took down Croc and Moria I think it'd be higher by now.

[stuck ore]

yeah

[pure raven]

Just face it, COC is a luck of the draw type thing, it's not based off some made up qualities just because it's called conquerors

[mortal field]

There’s patterns to the people who have it

[near osprey]

CoC is usually developed by users with a strong will, it's why it's more common amongst Worst Generation than previous Generations

[pure raven]

Rayleigh doesn't match any of the patterns though

[near osprey]

Even Kaido is slightly annoyed by how much it's shown up in Luffy's generation

[mortal field]

Cause we dont know anything bout him

[pure raven]

You can argue je does we've just not seen it, but that's headcanon

[near osprey]

Yamato, Kidd, Luffy and Zoro are already a lot for such a rare trait

[agile zenith]

Huh, bro you are making me have a migraine

First you say some shit about the definition of conquerors being people who stand out

Now you saying chinjao used to work for the navy.

Chinjao used to lead an 8000 man Happo navy my guy
The guy understands what it means to be pirate King

In fact he influenced luffys perception of what the pirate King has to do lol

[mortal field]

Its the new World, im not surprised

[mortal field]

…dawg i was supporting you huh?

[near osprey]

Rayleigh was also confused for a Captain so I'd say he has the traits for sure.

[mortal field]

Mab ff me

[pure raven]

When was he confused as a captain

[agile zenith]

Killer will get conquerors

[near osprey]

Chapter 17

[agile zenith]

Killer will show conquerors by the end of this arc

In my headcanon killer is the son or grandson of shiki

[near osprey]

I'd like to see a rematch between Killer and Zoro tbh

[agile zenith]

The evidence I have for killer being shikis son

[mortal field]

Man gonna skip over attacking me aint no eay

[pure raven]

What page, can't see it.

[near osprey]

When do you guys think we'll get a duel between Luffy and Kidd

[near osprey]

Fan base confused him for being a Captain bro

[pure raven]

What a silly argument then

[near osprey]

Of what makes Rayleigh worthy of CoC?

He was Roger's First Mate I think that's enough already

Anyone can get CoC they just need the willpower to obtain it.

[agile zenith]

In an old Japanese anime, shiki nanya the son of shiki ohno was a trained Killer.

And was the manifestation of his father's murderous intent.

The characteristics described by this guy is the exact same as killer

Smooth confident, literally describes killer to a tee

And if killer has an alternate personality when he gets triggered it would make sense

[pure raven]

Not really, he's shown no actual qualities of what people define as COC before Roger or after Roger from what we've seen. Sure during, but is that conquerors or is it just being a good first mate for his captain / loyalty

[pure raven]

You've gotta literally be born with it

[agile zenith]

Killer will get conquerors because he is the son of a conqueror

[near osprey]

I don't think you need to be born with it.

[agile zenith]

You are born with it

[near osprey]

Haki is literally a users Willpower.

[agile zenith]

It's genetic

[gray creek]

It’s been explained as something you cannot train for. You either have it or don’t

[agile zenith]

Conquerors is literally been confirmed to be genetic

This was confirmed in marineford

You wanna argue with the story now

[near osprey]

All CoC users not really a lot to go off here to say it's Hereditary

[gray creek]

Having CoC be a genetic trait remains to be seen, but it’s looking likely

[near osprey]

You can argue Yamato is evidence of that but not really

Unless Shanks is an Xebec or some shit I won't think it's something that's passed on

Now maybe if your parent obtained it and you also became a fighter as well it's possible

[ancient vault]

Dragn is an unconfirmed one but hinted at
Xebecs def had CoC

[gray creek]

Yeah. Besides Kid, everyone in the current gen of CoC users had significant lineage. The major detracting point for the genetic assertion is that only 1 of like 80 Charlotte kids has shown it

[ancient vault]

We got
Roger - Ace
Kaido - Yamato
(Dragon) - Luffy ?
Big Mom - Katakuri
Oden - (Momo) ?

[near osprey]

Like if you're a Prince to King sure it's not far fetched to imagine them being able to also develop CoC

But I wouldn't call it a Hereditary Trait at it's core.

Especially if you come from a strong line

Garp being the Hero of the Navy, Dragon being the leader of the Revolutionary Army not surprising to see Luffy develop CoC when he'll be PK

[gray creek]

I don’t disagree, and it’s entirely reasonable for Sanji to have CoC

[hollow grotto]

CoC seems to be tied to your personality rather than anything else, but being linked genetically to people with CoC =/= CoC automatically. Moreso, if your personality exhibits the qualities of a King and you are of hereditary descent, then you can unlock it. That's how I interpret it atleast, I'm not sure if it's ever explicitly stated

[lunar shell]

Sanji wont get coc

Cuz that would weaken coc

[wary fossil]

CoC is for fighters. Sanji got the hero upgrade

[pure raven]

usopp will make a slingshot that will shoot the sunny to the moon

[wary fossil]

CoC let Luffy/Zoro fuck people up harder. Sanji upgrades gonna let him rescue and strategize better. Wings of the king

[pure raven]

I used to think too Sanji would get coc, but yeah I think this might work better and make coc more exclusive

[bitter kraken]

It woulda sorta make sense for sanji to get CoC if zoro has it, but that would make 3 straw hats on the same boat with it and that prolly just won’t work plus Yamato I hope joins. CoC peeps usually don’t get along and more so compete against eachother, I think that’s what whitebeard meant when he initially didn’t let Oden join. He recognized oden had CoC and he knew from experience with Rocks that peeps with that don’t work well together

[amber oar]

A genetic trait doesn't mean if the parent has it, all the children will have it. Even among IRL genetic conditions, many skip generations or activate under certain conditions. Sometimes a condition appears when a combination of several genes gather. Let's suppose -and this is all a made up idea because Oda isn't a genetist and I doubt he thought that deep- that a total of 10 genes are needed to show CoC. Big Mom has all 10, Katakuri coincidentally got passed all 10, but the rest of the children only got passed 1, 4, 5, or none at all. That's how those "one in a million" conditions that exist IRL happen.

[gray creek]

The fact that conquerors don’t get along just makes the Zoro/Sanji rivalry foreshadowing lol

[wary fossil]

does it though? Would it make sense for Sanji to gain swords?

zoro just got the ultimate attack form in CoC and Sanji just got the ultimate defense form in healing+exoskeleton

that's more than enough of a match

[bitter kraken]

Sanji is a legit prince, just like zoro is likely decedent from a nobility line in wano. Zoro isn’t confirmed CoC

[proud tree]

Relation of the Monkey D family before Luffy was born

[bitter kraken]

Lol that’s messed up man

[cursive tree]

Imagine Sanji changing his mind and values and starts punching the shit out of queen

[proud tree]

Rocks happy his son Dragon is married with Monkey D Crocodilia

[wary fossil]

queen is a male

[amber oar]

ah year, how would I forget when Crocodile stabbed his own child twice

[twin beacon]

do you guys believe that mihawk is shakkys and rayleighs son?

saw a TikTok about it today it seemed very true

[wary fossil]

no but that is a fun theory

[pure raven]

what if: just like how sanji stayed back in whole cake for personal reason, zoro stays an extra arc on wano to learn about the shimotsuki and later we seen him do ryuma styled attacks

[amber oar]

Here's the issue: you saw a tiktok

[mild kite]

Bio checks out

[twin beacon]

search about it and see for yourself even if mihawk is not rayleighs son there is a high chance Rayleigh has a son

[bitter kraken]

It’s very possible Mihawk has an interesting pedigree like most OP heavy hitters

[pure raven]

if mihawk is the strongest swordsman and shanks is stronger that him while only seen using a sword, it must stand to reason that shanks' true power does not rely on Griffin™️ . so how about he uses the advanced coc to apply to his lost arm or "phantom arm" and who knows maybe like asura, he can make an "image" of an arm or materialize one that gives him prolly the extent of coc capabilities and through him we learn the absolute truth about coc

[radiant blade]

Chinjao having coc out of all these people is just so random to me

[pure raven]

kidd is joyboy

[near osprey]

Nah Luffy is

[ripe geyser]

I really hope Luffy isn’t Joyboy

[pure raven]

if kidd in't joyboy then maybe blackbeard and that'll be the kahooting twist of twists

[ripe geyser]

I don’t want him to have such a predetermined destiny I love the idea of a dude randomly wanting to become PK and then achieving it cause of how set he was to that dream

[pure raven]

agreed

[gray creek]

I would temper the expectations for a twist

[near osprey]

Well think back to what his village mayor said is it Luffy's dream or just his destiny

[pure raven]

or if not then make him somehow "earn" the joyboy title

[near osprey]

Also look back at Loguetown

[ripe geyser]

I’m praying Oda doesn’t make the same mistake Kishimoto did

[gray creek]

It’s already not the same scenario, don’t worry

[ripe geyser]

Ik no way it’ll go that wrong

[near osprey]

Considering there are prophecies at play right now Luffy is most likely JoyBoy

[pure raven]

what yall think is that makes gomu gomu so special to world government?

[near osprey]

Nothing it's just a DF

[ripe geyser]

Idk but I really hope the Gomu Gomu no mi is completely irrelevant to the joyboy and 20 years later prophecies

[pure raven]

maybe, but it always caught my attention that gomu gomu really is the most malleable devil fruit in more aspects than one

[gray creek]

These are my thoughts https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p6gdjt/joyboy_and_the_gomu_gomu_awakening/

[pure raven]

most likely - the god

[near osprey]

I think JoyBoy/Luffy/Roger just kinda share the same mindset

[pure raven]

might be something to do with the D itself

[near osprey]

Luffy isn't his reincarnation persay just going to be the next JoyBoy

Mind you the Noah in Fishman Island is going to be setting sail soon

and I don't find it far fetched to see Vivi find Pluton and set sail herself on it

I don't think there'll be some struggle for the Ancient Weapons I think they're naturally going to fall into Luffy's lap at the end

If Uranus is hiding on Wano I think that'd cement the idea

Luffy's befriended Shirahoshi which naturally makes Poseidon an ally for Luffy already and we know Pluton is in Alabasta

[pure raven]

is the fukurokujo vs raizo fight gonna give us some sort of enel intel? they are the same race and its a lil sus how oda left raizos fight last this long but idk maybe raizos fight is just supposed to connect to the end of the raid?

[near osprey]

Vivi most likely has been looking for it

[gray creek]

Fuku isn’t birkan

[near osprey]

Raizo's fight most likely will conclude next chapter imo

Compared to the BM vs Kidd/Law, Sanji vs Queen and Zoro first King fight no real sense in keeping it going or even giving it focus

[pure raven]

maybe cause the earlobes? it would be a Oda thing I think

[near osprey]

I don't think we'll get much of Kaido vs Luffy until those fights are resolved

and if Act 3 does end soon I imagine Kaido vs Luffy will be a long one

[fathom matrix]

There were theories of Crocodile being a Newkama, but honestly, his big secret might be that (this was thought up by tekking) that he cried and begged to be spared by whitebeard after he got his hand removed

[pure raven]

kaido vs luffy def long cause if big mom JUST poweredup, imagine kaido that is currently only fighting luffy. kaido's "secret weapon" could just be onigashima or, something to do with being a "fish"

[bitter kraken]

Croc dosnt seem like the kinda dude that will cry and beg lol

[fathom matrix]

People can change, he's a who he is now, but maybe back then he was different

[gray creek]

I like newkama Croc. It doesn’t take any stretching to accept it, it’s just an interesting world building thing

[near osprey]

Could the Shicibukai actually take down a Yonko?

[fathom matrix]

well, we don't know how strong a warlord is, some peeps are theorising that Mihawk is Yonko level, but just holds back most of the time

[near osprey]

I think Mihawk would be Yonko level

[fathom matrix]

I kinda think Mihawk is on par with Yamato or maybe more, but I doubt he could defeat big mom or kaido, BUT he could put up a good fight

[near osprey]

Nah you're definitely downplaying what it takes to be the worlds top swordsman

Considering Rayleigh was himself as was Roger

[gray creek]

Also consider Mihawk is an EOS level opponent for Zoro, and work backwards from there

[near osprey]

Mihawk definitely is on par with the likes of Kaido, Shanks and Big Mom

Probably would've been a Yonko if he wasn't a Lone Wolf

[fathom matrix]

the way I see it is that Mihawk is really strong, but there hasn't been any references of him being on par with a yonko, otherwise hell, maybe he would have defeated one of them by now or someone says "we have someone who's on par with an emporer".

He did sword fight with shanks and I doubt shanks was weaker than him in order for mihawk to keep his title, but mihawk wasn't weak enough to conceed it.

I bet they weren't fights to the knock out, but they were more like friendly spars,

maybe they were on par, but I see shanks being a lot stronger

[near osprey]

Consider where Zoro is at now and just really think about where he'll be at the end of the series

I'd imagine Zoro will be Yonko tier nearing the end

Pirate King and his Three Emperors

[fathom matrix]

Plus, you know what I think?

In order to be the world's best swordsman, I feel like you A. need a black blade, and B. have no devil fruit.

I believe all of your accomplishments, power and skills, have to be pure and un-altered, and the black blade is a sign of that connection to your sword and that grade you got it to.

Like, in one of the SPSs, Oda would have Zoro's sword eat a devil fruit, and that tells me that, yes, items can have zoan types and zoro's main thing is sword, but zoro himself wouldn't eat one.

So it's more like a morallity thing, like the reason why big mom and shanks aren't the word's greatest swords people, is because they don't have black blades or that connections other swordsman have

[near osprey]

Swordsman can use DF I don't think it particularly matters as yes DF can be a nice little upgrade in what you can use in combat

But lot of the top guys in OP don't have DFs, Shanks, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Zoro, Sanji, Killer, Garp and so on Sabo didn't even have one and was on par with Luffy before he obtained his DF

I'd even go as far as to say that Sabo was stronger than Luffy in Dressrosa

[fathom matrix]

I think he was stronger than Luffy before the devil fruit power up, cause he was fighting off an admiral, AND he was busy

[near osprey]

Roger was also without a DF

Nah Fujitora was going easy on Sabo

He didn't want to capture Luffy so he "fought" Sabo to kill time

[fathom matrix]

I feel like it's more than just strength too, as it's also that connection to the blade and how much you care about your swords.

Like, you see Zoro and Mihawk hate their blades getting chipped, and Zoro really has a connection to his blades, and hell, that's probably why blade blades exist, because you give a damn about them, haki is also will, so you imbed your will and emotions into that blade you connected with, and it tempers it black permantly

That's kind of an idea I got

[near osprey]

Strongest Swordsman is the guy who can't be beat, who takes on the current holder of that title and wins

It's natural for a Swordsman to have a connection with their blades.

Like a Guitarist with their favorite instrument

Like yeah Slash could play on any Guitar but his signature Les Paul is what he prefers

So it'd be natural for Zoro or Mihawk to hate seeing a chip on their babies

[gray creek]

At the least we can say there’s a difference between people who use swords and “swordsmen”. It’s just unclear where to draw the line. On one side you have Mihawk, and on the other there’s Luffy with nidai. Somewhere between them is a cut off. I don’t think a fruit has anything to do with it, you can use a fruit to enhance your technique