manga-theories

[ripe geyser]

Who do we think Nami’s parents are? Any ideas?

[pure raven]

I'm not against you talking here, its just when someone has an interesting theory

And all of a sudden someone asks whether luffy is gonna beat kaidou

Or is sanji gonna beat queen, I'm just like really you interrupting a theory to say that

[prime wing]

No but my follow up tot hat was kinda a theory but

[pure raven]

I'm not even gonna try speculate namis parents

But they might be weather scientists or something

[ripe geyser]

Yeah there’s way too little information

[prime wing]

We also don’t know Zoros family

[ripe geyser]

Zoro’s fam we’re gonna learn about sooner or later

[prime wing]

Obviously, Zoros backstory is the most lacking

[ripe geyser]

Do we think Ushimaru is his dad or no

[prime wing]

So we are going to hear more at some point

[prime wing]

Possibly

Only question is how did Zoro end up in the East Blue then, Wano was closed back then right?

[ripe geyser]

I doubt Zoro was born in Wano

[mint prairie]

I've read what was talked about in here and I wonder if I should post that list of Yuderon puns here or not.

[ripe geyser]

Maybe

[pure raven]

But basically back to the rocks theory.
So I said xebec isn't his real name, and he adopted it after becoming a pirate.

But previously he was a marine admiral.

I came up with this via odas word play for 2 chapters that I noticed.

The chapters oda associates with rocks are

The ones with 6 and 8 in them.
And the chapters with both are even more about him.

Rocks - Rokkussu - Roku - 6

Hachinosu- Hachi - 8

In 680 we get introduced to vergo.

And in 860 we get introduced to katakuri.

[mint prairie]

Okay, I wanted to post it just for the sake of discussion, but I've been reading on one of those puns and I've found some interesting things which I wanted to elaborate further upon.

[pure raven]

8 coming before 6 means post beehive island

And 6 before 8 means before beehive island

[prime wing]

Beehive island?

[pure raven]

Bbs island man

[mint prairie]

Skull Island, Pirate Island, Fullalead Island, however you might know it as.

[pure raven]

Thank you bro

[mint prairie]

It's the pirate hub island where Blackbeard currently reigns in and where the Davy Back Fight was first celebrated.

[prime wing]

Yeah I didn’t see beehive island on the wiki

[ripe geyser]

Which two chapters are these

[pure raven]

680 and 860

If you see the back of katakuris jacket, he seems to have a jolly roger on the back of it.

And the same tattoo on his arm.

This is likely rocks pirate jolly roger.

[ripe geyser]

Is it?

[pure raven]

We know kat would have been 10 years old on the crew

[ripe geyser]

Wait I’m curious send a picture

[pure raven]

I want to but why does this chat not let me

[ripe geyser]

Roles

[sand sail]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[mint prairie]

That's the Japanese name for it in Katakana. It translates as "Beehive" or "Honeycomb" which is a colloquialism for describing the way someone that has been filled with bullets in a shooting, thus the translated name as "Full-a-lead".

I think it is mostly referred as "Kaizoku-jima", the Pirate Island.

[sand sail]

Katakuri doesn't have a jolly roger on his jacket

[pure raven]

Hol up a sec

[sand sail]

Here, I gotchu

[pure raven]

That clearly looks like a jolly roger to me

[ripe geyser]

Who’s the dude on the bottom pic

[pure raven]

Kat as well holding ichiji

[sand sail]

It's a face, but not a jolly roger. That's Ichiji in the pic ^

[mint prairie]

Skull motif != Jolly Roger, but I see your point.

[sand sail]

It seems to be a tattoo for his family

[pure raven]

Its not a face lol

[sand sail]

It's not just at his arm, it wraps around his body

[pure raven]

It has No connection to the big mom pirates, it looks like a heavy metal rockstar skull

[mint prairie]

It's not even a skull, the mouth (or teeth as you might see it) is a referrence to his mouth.

[ripe geyser]

This is rocks pirates Jolly Roger (best I could find)

[pure raven]

We haven't actually seen the jolly roger i can show you why

[ripe geyser]

True ur not wrong

[sand sail]

^ This hurts your argument really hard tho

[pure raven]

It doesn't because we haven't seen it

[sand sail]

That is a Jolly Roger, a skull and crossbones. That's not present in Katakuri's tattoo or on his jacket

[ripe geyser]

I mean I don’t think it’s likely either but we can only see the crossbones not the face

[pure raven]

A skull and crossbones forms a jolly roger im aware

But a skull is still what makes it unique

[pure raven]

And thats not really the main part of my theory

[pure raven]

So bro do you remember rockstar from shanks crew

[smoky basin]

the kata tattoo is just a skull face not a skull. its an aesthetic thing

[pure raven]

It is a skull man, oda doesn't just hand out random tattoos like that, especially for characters with overall plot relevance like kat and big mom

[sand sail]

Sure he does

It's all just aesthetic, and it seems to be a tattoo of either Katakuri or Big Mom

I don't think there's even remotely a possibility that it's Xebec's stuff honestly, I don't think Big Mom would care for her kid picking that up

What's the main part of your hypothesis?

[ripe geyser]

I wouldn’t mind if Katakuri’s tattoos were only meant for aesthetics I mean look how awesome they are

[pure raven]

Yeah hard cap

Kaidous tattoo was a hint to his fish fruit

I don't even have to explain dragons tattoo

Care for her kid picking that up, she's a pirate tf, she doesn't care lol

[ripe geyser]

I do feel like every last type of tattoo I’ve seen in OP has has at least some background behind it tho

[sand sail]

Kaido's tattoo wasn't a hint to his fish fruit, we don't actually know if it's a tattoo at all

Or just actual scales on his body

[smoky basin]

thety are pretty badass

[pure raven]

You can't just ignore tattoos in one piece

Akainus tattoo is important for fucksake lol

[sand sail]

Dragon's tattoo needs to be explained, I'm not sure where you were going there. Do you think you know what it means?

[smoky basin]

you the type of guy to read into a weird crack in a floorboard in onigashima after the war

[sand sail]

What's important about Akainu's tattoo?

[pure raven]

Akainus has the same tattoo has hyogoro the flower and the flames look exactly like his hair

[sand sail]

What do you think matters about that?

[pure raven]

Bro you know nothing about me lol

[smoky basin]

akainu tattoo just hawaiian isnt it

i know your discord name

[pure raven]

Bro said its just Hawaiian, you clearly a casual my bad

[sand sail]

We don't really know, but it's not even the same tattoo. It's not the same design or anything, it's just there are flowers on both

[digital epoch]

Do we think that the marks on Rocks' Jolly Roger are flames or horns? And what does it mean? Also, Rocks is the only character we've seen with a red/colored skull in his Jolly Roger... Just like BB is the only jolly roger with multiple skulls....

[smoky basin]

what is akainu's tattoo foreshadowing ryuo now?

[pure raven]

No its foreshadowing for hyogoro training him

[sand sail]

Akainu has a spiraling tattoo that goes across that entire side of his torso and back

[smoky basin]

🤡

[sand sail]

Hyogoro has one on both shoulders, and only flowers

[pure raven]

Hyogoro trained both kizaru and akainu

[sand sail]

You two stop being toxic

[vestal orbit]

foreshadowing that akainu is katakuri's dad, actually

[smoky basin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-usopp-sorry-i-was-wrong-gif-16580984

[sand sail]

This isn't a meme channel man

[smoky basin]

i am leaving this channel temporarily

[pure raven]

Umm ok lol

Then tell my man mochi-ya to relax

[sand sail]

I believe I just did.

[pure raven]

I haven't attacked anyone

I'm just defending a theory

https://tenor.com/view/bert-angry-muppets-sesame-street-muppet-gif-11962238

[sand sail]

You can defend your theory, just don't be toxic while doing it. @smoky basin knows too.

Now what exactly do you think Dragon's tattoo means?

It sounds like you have some hypothesis about it, but I'm not sure what exactly you were going for there

[smoky basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pq7sak/dragons_mythical_phoenix_devil_fruit_model/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[ripe geyser]

That theory is cool but I found it to be a stretch

Anyone here think Dragon isnt Garp’s son?

[smoky basin]

its one of my more supported dragon theories

[smoky basin]

talkin about the recent theory that popped up?

[ripe geyser]

I mean nearly all theories are stretches to be fair

[ripe geyser]

Yeah that one

[smoky basin]

i kinda like it but also moms in one piece are kinda just non existent so idk. maybe there will be some reveal that she's important or maybe not idk

it would be kinda lame if garp had a daughter and she was just some random woman

[pure raven]

I mean I have my own theory on that.

I think its the road poneglipphs.

See a casual wouldn't understand or someone who is not insightful after my explanation

But basically he has 3 red cubes on his face , and we know there are 4 red cubes to get to laugh tale.

The location of 3 Road poneglipphs is public knowledge, well relatively public knowledge if you include zou.

The final red cube space is taken by his eye.
This is purposely done in my opinion as it shows that only he knows where it is,

It is only in his field of vision and no one else

[ripe geyser]

There’s absolutely no way in hell we don’t learn about Dragon’s wife

[pure raven]

Yep 100 agree with that theory

Its an oda type twist

[sand sail]

I don't know about this, it's a bit of a hard stretch. This would suggest Dragon's known about the Road Poneglyphs for years now, I doubt this'll be the case

[pure raven]

Huh

[sand sail]

It's much more likely that Shanks ends up having the last poneglyph, really

[ripe geyser]

It’s a big stretch but I can’t lie it’s a cool thought

[pure raven]

Yeah no way shanks has it bro

It would be public knowledge if he did

[smoky basin]

also wouldnt dragon have to be from the void century if his face was magically the key to the final road pony?

[pure raven]

What do you mean key when tf did I say it was the key

[smoky basin]

or the location, same difference

[sand sail]

How would it be public knowledge?

None of these poneglyph locations have been anywhere close to public knowledge

[pure raven]

Big mom and kaidou are 2 yonko like shanks

And there's are public knowledge

[sand sail]

That doesn't even make sense, this is the most forbidden item on the planet. The government wouldn't let that info out even if it were able to go public

[pure raven]

Shanks having it, literally has no evidence

[ripe geyser]

Various infamous pirates know that BM has road poneglyph

[smoky basin]

pretty sure only high level pirates and marines know about the roadies

[pure raven]

Its public knowledge that big mom has it

[ripe geyser]

But not many pirates know that CHAD Brook copied it

[pure raven]

Nekomamushi isn't even a pirate

Pedro isn't a top tier pirate so that's cap

[sand sail]

It actually has a far higher possibility. Not only did Shanks already interact with all 4, not only does he have an existing relationship with the place that held the lost poneglyph already, he's also one of the first ones to ever actually learn what they're for. He's also the only pirate active out there who's been to Laugh Tale and would know exactly how important it is

On top of wanting to go there himself

[pure raven]

No there's no evidence for shanks having it bro

[sand sail]

There's literally 0 connection between Dragon and the road poneglyphs, with no reason for him to even care for them

This, vs the Rio glyphs, which would actually be important to his mission

[pure raven]

I can literally find nothing in the story to say shanks has it bro

[sand sail]

No, it's not.

Nekomamushi and Inuarashi knew Kaido and Big Mom had those poneglyphs because they've been to both already

[pure raven]

Yes it is, since the minks knew

[sand sail]

Yes, the minks knew because they sailed with Roger to get them

[pure raven]

Yeah the minks haven't been to wci thats a reach

[ripe geyser]

As of now there’s zero connection, but it isn’t impossible for there to be one

[sand sail]

Yes, they have...

Hang on, let me grab some pages for you

[smoky basin]

pedro is a top tier pirate, if he isnt then who is. Hes literally the first son of an emperor with almost direct access to the pony

[pure raven]

Neko has never been to wci

[sand sail]

Oh absolutely, just as of now is all I mean

[pure raven]

And shanks having it, is a huge reach bro

[pure raven]

Dragon is more connected to wano than shanks lol

[sand sail]

Dragon has literally no connection to Wano at all...

^ Here, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi stowing away on Roger's ship

[pure raven]

Guys I have a theory

[pure raven]

They have never been to wci which that panel rectifies

[sand sail]

Oh, but y'know what, I was mistaken. They did not actually go, Roger stole that glyph before they got there

[pure raven]

Yeah you were mistaken

[sand sail]

So, let me rephrase a bit. They didn't go there to get it, they were told directly that she had it already.

^ As you can see

[pure raven]

For me dragon can be rocks son it’s just a theory

[sand sail]

Which ultimately comes out to the same result anyway, the point being they only knew about it because they were with the crew that already did. It's far from public knowledge, hence why it was a massive shock for everyone when they were told

[pure raven]

Its public knowledge, tamago literally said several are after big moms road poneglipph

[sand sail]

Tamago is not the public. Tamago is a high ranking officer in an Emperor's crew who already has the glyph

[pure raven]

When talking to smoothie

[sand sail]

The Emperor with the intelligence network, mind you

What do you consider "public knowledge"?

[digital tapir]

Dragon is garp’s son man why is everyone thinking otherwise now

[smoky basin]

new theory popped up

[sand sail]

And exactly what connection to Wano does Dragon have in your opinion?

[pure raven]

What does him saying "several know and want big moms poneglipph"

Have anything to do with his position

[pure raven]

Well it’s just a theory

Shanks having it is a huge reach

[sand sail]

It's the most likely conclusion based on everything we know now

It's either he has it, or it's just lost

[pure raven]

Theres no evidence but cool

Bro im not even trying to clown the theory, it just has no evidence bro

[ripe geyser]

I would love to hear evidence as to why Shanks has it

[sand sail]

Oh, there's no evidence for either of these things. That's not really something to bring up, because Dragon has literally no connection to the Road glyphs at all yet, and "Wano" has hardly even been mentioned in a chapter around his presence at all, let alone any connection to it

[pure raven]

Fr because its pretty non existant

[sand sail]

Sure, it has no evidence, but neither of us do. What we do have is enough strings to actually connect it to Shanks

[ripe geyser]

Cause based on what I’ve watched Shanks having the last RP is just a conformed opinion among the fandom

[digital tapir]

The last poneglyph is up luffy’s ass

[sand sail]

"We have no evidence" can only be stated as far as direct confirmation. Shanks is far more connected to the poneglyph than Dragon, and has much more reason behind getting it, not least of which being it's something he's already been in contact with.

[sand sail]

This isn't a channel for jokes.

[smoky basin]

i mean the minks had one because of their connection to the ancient kozuki. are a historically important race (i think not too sure) and if the whole shanks being on elbaf next arc is true, things would line up pretty well

[digital tapir]

🤨 relax

[ripe geyser]

Whole point of theorizing is that we have little evidence for anything, so rather than debunking everything we generate all kinds of ideas and share them

[smoky basin]

i think luffy would know if it was bud 💀

[digital tapir]

🤷‍♂️

[pure raven]

I gave evidence as to why dragon has it

He has red cubes on his face, the only red cubes in one piece are the Road poneglipphs

He has the same style tattoo as ryuma, who is from wano

The same place the poneglipphs were created

The poneglipphs are said to be indestructible and are made from wano resources, likely a mixture of seastone and drunken iron ore

Which koala talked to dragon about and we see him dodge the question on purpose

Thats a 100 times more evidence than shanks my g

[digital tapir]

I think the red cubes part is waaaay too much of a reach man 😭

[sand sail]

None of that is actual evidence, though. You've got a lot of interesting conjecture, but no evidence to support this at all

[smoky basin]

just a bit

[pure raven]

Tell me any other red cubes in one piece bro

[ripe geyser]

I respect this man, though he’s got some stretches at least he’s defending the theories he’s coming up with

[pure raven]

Literally the same chapter we learnt about the road poneglipphs

Dragon was in the damn cover page lol

[sand sail]

I don't have to, you've got no actual evidence here man. His face tattoo has had 0 connection to the poneglyphs or anything in the series in general so far, which makes this no evidence

but another hypothesis

It's fair, sure. It's not like it's just absurd or anything

[pure raven]

The same chapter we learnt about these poneglipphs

Dragon was in the cover page lol

[sand sail]

But you realize your hypothesis isn't evidence to support a theory right? Evidence is confirmed, like actual facts from the series. You're just expanding on another theory lol

[pure raven]

I at least have shit to back up my theory

All you have is your preferred outcome

[sand sail]

No, I have the history of the series.

Of the two people we're speaking of, only one has had full and complete access to every Road Poneglyph with prior knowledge about exactly where each and every one is

And a great relationship with the island it's actually on

[pure raven]

No you have no evidence

[sand sail]

^ These are facts

This is what evidence is.

[pure raven]

Te me one reason why shanks has it

[ripe geyser]

Imo trying to back up your theory with what you perceive as valid evidence is way more respectable than debunking other ideas as evidence

[pure raven]

Fr bro

[digital tapir]

The last poneglyph could literally be that dog from the beginning of the series if oda wanted there’s really not enough evidence of it being anywhere as of right now

[mint prairie]

Tell me one reason why Dragon's tattoos have anything to do with the Road Poneglyphs. It's a wild goose chase at this point.

[pure raven]

Okama has no evidence why its shanks

[smoky basin]

arent all theories

[sand sail]

I'll give you 5.

[pure raven]

Bro I asked you guys to tell me

Any other red cubes in one piece

[ripe geyser]

And he did. Is it a stretch of a reason? Yes. Could it be wrong? Definitely. At least he is using what he perceives as chapter evidence

[pure raven]

Show me any other Canon Red cubes in one piece

[sand sail]

1. Emperor with free reign over the New World.
2. Friends with Neptune, with Fishman Island being where the lost poneglyph last was.
3. Already had prior knowledge of where they all are, no conjecture needed as to how he could possibly be connected.
4. Already stated he wants to go to Laugh Tale, and promised he'd get there.
5. Learned how important the poneglyphs and roger's dream is, would be much more likely to pursue preserving that than Dragon.

[pure raven]

How can it be a reach

When I'm comparing dragons red cubes on his face

To the only other red cubes in the story lol

[sand sail]

Evidence? We don't have any, neither of us do. However, these are facts of the series ^

[pure raven]

Friends with neptune.

This is all meaningless bro

[sand sail]

Facts which connect directly to the road poneglyphs. Literally none of the things you've said of Dragon have, except your theories about him.

[pure raven]

We haven't even seen shanks talk to Neptune lol

[sand sail]

You know the lost poneglyph was taken from Fishman Island, right?

He was on Roger's crew and went there at least once on friendly terms lol. That's a lot more of a concrete basis than what you've provided

[digital tapir]

It’s not proof shanks has it though it’s just proof he wants it

[mint prairie]

Indeed, but outright rejecting calls to back it up will not reinforce the theory, it will only lead to that person closing the theory in a bubble and it will be no better than posing Onigashima/Enies Lobby is the right eye of Jaya because they have a vaguely circular shape.

[pure raven]

Its not proof shanks wants it

[sand sail]

No, it's not that this is proof he has it. These are all just facts that lend themselves far more heavily to Shanks having it than Dragon.

[pure raven]

Because we know shanks doesn't wanna be pk

[sand sail]

There's legitimately nothing in this series to suggest Dragon even knows what the road glyphs are, let alone that he cares about them, let alone that he has gotten one.

[sand sail]

No, we don't.

[pure raven]

I gave you way more legit evidence

You've given me nothing bro

[sand sail]

In fact, we actually know Shanks does want to go to Laugh Tale again.

Which means he has direct motivation for getting the last glyph...

[pure raven]

Yeah he clearly doesn't wanna be pk

[sand sail]

Which would be the only one he could get, really.

[sand sail]

I'm gonna ask you to argue with better faith than this.

We're not going to continue a discussion wherein facts presented from the series are met with "Yeah, no" and empty conjecture after, as if they're words from Oda.

[mint prairie]

Robin spent two years in the Revolutionary Army, I think it's not a far stretch to assume he knows more about Poneglyphs that whatever he could have known prior to her arrival. There was even an envoy specifically sent to retrieve her, if memory serves me right.

[pure raven]

He doesn't, he passed on the beacon to luffy

He is preparing the world for rogers inheritor

He clearly went to goa to moniter ace and met luffy instead

[versed hamlet]

Shanks does state that he does want to go to laugh tale on his own someday with his own crew so i don't know where your sentiment comes from

[pure raven]

Yeah isn't evidence for him having poneglipphs

[ripe geyser]

No, they’re just facts. Shanks being acquainted with Neptune and poneglyph no longer being on FMI doesn’t imply Shanks is the one involved with it. This exact thing can be said with Dragon and how his “3 red box tattoos don’t imply he knows of the 4th Rp.

[pure raven]

I gave evidence

Shanks having a road isn't even hinted lol

[versed hamlet]

Additionally roger and neptune seem to be on friendly terms which can trickle down to the assumption that shanks and neptune have a similar friendship

[sand sail]

I'm not sure you understood my message. The first sentence was "No, it's not that this is proof he has it."

[pure raven]

Roger and shanks are different people

[versed hamlet]

Shanks was with roger there

[ripe geyser]

Didn’t see that mb

[mint prairie]

Shanks wants to go to Laugh Tale, of course he is interested in the Poneglyphs.

[sand sail]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but no one should be sitting here ignoring the pile of history behind Shanks directly connecting him to the poneglyphs.

[pure raven]

Lol you giving evidence through roger

When I'm giving direct dragon relations

[versed hamlet]

He is a yonko with an interest in gaining road poneglyphs?

[sand sail]

This isn't about if Shanks actually has it or not, this is about whether Dragon having it is more likely.

[pure raven]

Yeah he has never shown interest in the poneglipphs

[versed hamlet]

And dragon has no intention to go to laugh tale either

[sand sail]

It can't be more likely, based on everything we know about the series so far.

[sand sail]

Sure, except when he helped gather them.

[mint prairie]

He has, for he wants to reach that final island.

[sand sail]

And then said he'd want to get back to Laugh Tale.

[versed hamlet]

He literally wants to go to laugh tale

[pure raven]

Yeah not evidence that he has any but keep reaching

[sand sail]

Oh for sure, I'd be surprised if Robin didn't enlighten him on a great deal really.

[pure raven]

Buggy has the final road

[sand sail]

If he doesn't have a decent chunk of knowledge, or even know how to read the glyphs now, I'd be disappointed personally

It's just, the road glyphs aren't really in that sense Robin didn't even learn about them until Zou

[pure raven]

Buggy having the final road is just as possible

Thats how little to nothing there is for shanks

[sand sail]

So, last warning. If you can't discuss this in good faith, you can stop discussing here.

[mint prairie]

What was the OP discussion stage where they start memeing? This guy is already there.

[versed hamlet]

That's not the argument- it's whether dragon having a poneglyph is more likely and its vast more probable that a yonko with an intention of going to laugh tale is higher than dragon, someone without any intention on getting poneglyphs nor is "3 cubed tattoo" a solid piece of evidence

[sand sail]

In this channel? There sure ain't one.

[versed hamlet]

Its like !flowchart or something lmfao

[mint prairie]

!flowchart

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/652839462589431809/shitposter_evolution.png

[sand sail]

No need to roast, it's just not constructive. And i'm certainly not letting all of you get put through it, so we'll be moving on if it doesn't get constructive fast

[mint prairie]

If anything I'm expecting to patch up the clear holes in the theory, that's all.

[ripe geyser]

Lmfao so many ppl do this without even realizing it it’s amazing

[sand sail]

Yeh, the theory can be sound, it's just comparing it to Shanks having things doesn't work at all

[versed hamlet]

I just feel like this point is very flawed and flimsy

Like its just a design coincidence

[sand sail]

It's an interesting premise even, that maybe Dragon discovered this stuff on his own and figured maybe the info he needed to pull his revolution would be on Laugh Tale

[ripe geyser]

I have a question to propose

If Kanjuro is officially deceased as of the end of ch.1030 (HE BETTER BE), his DF will reappear somewhere. Will his DF show up in the story again? And if it does who do we think would get it?

[mint prairie]

The problem with it is Dragon must have some resources that allow him to figure this stuff out. Robin is the only one who can actually read the Poneglyphs outside of maybe people in Wano (I don't even recall if they can read/write them anymore). He might have found evidence that suggest Laugh Tale's importance, but he definitely didn't read any Poneglyphs unless Robin gave a debriefing on the matter.

[sand sail]

Personally, I don't think he's dead yet, just because the ink shadow is still going. I think he'll just be slowly dying until it finally fades out, or someone kills it

[modest skiff]

I think the closest viable way this ends up being reasonable is if Dragon identifies with a tribe or group who use that symbol and they themselves identify with the red glyphs

[sand sail]

Nah, Oden was the last one who could and he didn't have a chance to pass it on. :/ Unfortunately, seemingly only the Kozuki had the actual ability to read them

[ripe geyser]

A surprising amount of people believe Usopp will get Kanjuro’s power but I doubt it. His DF would have to be right near him and I don’t think Oda would ever give a SH a DF ability during the journey. Especially one that has been with the crew for so long.

[pure raven]

Maybe it’s in his log

[sand sail]

But yeh, I don't doubt he'd found importance on the glyphs. If nothing else, the Rio Poneglyphs are directly related to everything he wants to do, as far as we've been shown

Because those actually hold the whole history of the world and all, you're supposed to gather them and learn about it all at Laugh Tale

Or, Lodestar rather?

[wet meteor]

Why would usopp get kanjuros power?

[sand sail]

Could even be just one of the many weird folks/citizens in the RA have told him, they seem to be from a diverse range of territories

[smoky basin]

question to the question, dont dfs spawn in the nearest fruit

[mint prairie]

We've seen a DF reappear right next to the deceased user in Punk Hazard, it can happen. I don't expect it to, but we've also seen Usopp's creativity being a good combo with Kanjuurou's power in Dressrosa (coincidentally the very next arc).

[sand sail]

There's a bit of ambiguity to it. Officially we're told that it's just somewhere in the world, but we're shown the close proximity with Smiley

[ripe geyser]

Ppl believe Usopp needs a big powerup in Wano for whatever reason, and they think his creativity would fit him getting the ability well

[sand sail]

So it could go either way, potentially just being a bit of luck if it goes nearby

[ripe geyser]

I don’t think Usopp will get the ability, but don’t get me wrong. God Usopp with that ability would be really fun

[pure raven]

It's vast more likely dragon has a connection to the final road poneglipph than shanks

Laughtale is the ancient history
Therefore it is important to the revolution dragon wants to create

Dragon called Robin the light of the revolution
Meaning the poneglipphs are significant to dragon

Your using roger interactions to justify an entirely different character lol

Dragon has the same tattoo as the man whose legend was to slay a dragon

Just like dragon is trying to take down celestial DRAGONS.

The symbol on dragons face means containment

The kanji within ryumas means DRAGON

Koala has asked about one of the main materials in the poneglipphs.

The revs have shown direct interest in wanos RESOURCES

WHICH THE ROAD PONEGLIPPHS ARE MADE OF

SHANKS hasn't shown any interest in the road poneglipphs
The evidence you were using was hardly even linked to shanks

It was linked to roger, thats why me saying buggy has it, is just as likely as shanks

Dragon has red cubes on his face

THE ONLY RED CUBES IN ONE PIECE ARE THE ROAD PONEGLIPPHS

I explained the symbolism of why his eye takes the position of the final red cube which is a typical oda way oda likes to show that kind of depiction

Shanks has shown no interest in wano

DRAGON WHO IS AWARE OF LUFFYS DREAM

SAID HIM ABD LUFFY WILL MEET, that means he has something of value to luffys journey that will make their laths cross

A guy who hardly appears in the damn story had his face in the COVER PAGE

OF THE ROAD PONEGLIPPH chapter

[wet meteor]

That’s understandable, but he was never described as an artist,

[digital tapir]

I want to see a df go into one of Nami’s oranges

[pure raven]

Thats all evidence for dragon

While evidence for shanks

Is that he was on rogers ship

[digital tapir]

It only makes sense cause otherwise why would they be on the ship

[sand sail]

The evidence for Shanks...is that he's already had all the glyphs at one point.

[mint prairie]

There is no clear confirmation aside from that scene from Punk Hazard.
I have once posed nobody has seen the Hito-Hito no Mi because it has been confined to Drum Island. This would explain why nobody can really point out what Chopper is until they get to know him and why people in Drum Island were quick to arms at the sight of him, immediately assuming it was a monster, which could have been previous Hito-Hito users.

[ripe geyser]

Doesn’t have to be. Kanjuro was more of an actor than an artist. And you would not be a real One Piece fan if you didn’t think Usopp was creative

[pure raven]

Yeah his captain he did

[ripe geyser]

We still don’t know where Doffy found the mera mera no mi and when

[mint prairie]

He is an artist, there have been multiple instances of him being talented at several arts.

[sand sail]

Yes, with Shanks.

[pure raven]

Thats why buggy is just as likely

Buggy and shanks are equal possibilities

[sand sail]

Buggy isn't an Emperor with complete free reign in the New World. Buggy didn't want to get to Laugh Tale.

[digital tapir]

Yeah I’m pretty sure kanjuro was pretending to be a bad artist iirc his art was better after the traitor reveal

[ripe geyser]

What if Doffy found the mera mera no mi in MF after Ace died?

[sand sail]

Shanks has confirmed actual interest in getting to Laugh Tale and is actually in a position to do so.

[pure raven]

Shanks said him a buggy will go

Buggy has shown way more interest in pk than shanks

[digital tapir]

Oh

[pure raven]

Buggy has just as much of an argument

[sand sail]

I'm not interested in continuing this discussion, you're still not arguing in good faith here. I'd like to move onto the devil fruit discussion instead.

[pure raven]

Fairs, let's agree to disagree

[digital tapir]

It’s totally reasonable and in character for him to nab it then

[ripe geyser]

Why wouldn’t he

[sand sail]

Yep, he drew with the wrong hand while he was with the Scabbards

[wet meteor]

Well, I meant like a painter. And yes he is creative and yes he did create the Jolly Roger for the strawhats, but idk it doesn’t quite fit for me

[ripe geyser]

Doffy takes any opportunity to seize control of something. Knowing about the great treasure is how he was able to control celestial dragons and having the mera mera was how he tried keeping Luffy in check

[digital tapir]

Give kanjuro’s fruit to nami she literally draws maps for a living

[pure raven]

Were talking about a writer who made his character draw with his off hand for several arcs

And apparently dragons RED CUBES being road poneglipphs

When he was in the cover of that chapter is a reach

[ripe geyser]

Can objects only gain Zoan abilities?

[digital tapir]

I assume so

[pure raven]

Oda made all these 3 look to the right several cover pages before their relevant

And 2 out of 3 are traitorous scum

[ripe geyser]

Usopp’s slingshot getting a brush at the bottom by gaining Kanjuro DF would be cool but I don’t think objects can gain non-zoan DF powers

[smoky basin]

thank you for the white circle i never woulda seen shanks otherwise

[pure raven]

Brk mocha ya you really wanna start bro

[smoky basin]

idk if usopp needs a df tbh. but it would be cool if he did. He is resourceful enough to make good use of kanjuros fruit

[pure raven]

I can troll harder than you trust me bro

[smoky basin]

damn i didnt think light sarcasm would set you off, sorry

[ripe geyser]

I said from the very beginning that I don’t think he’s getting the DF ability

[sand sail]

You won't, though.

[digital tapir]

I doubt any of the non-df straw hats are gonna get one at this point

[smoky basin]

i know, im just adding

[sand sail]

@smoky basin Ay, stop roasting, I told you already

If he's presenting something he feels is a legitimate theory, be respectful

[smoky basin]

sorry it was just a light joke i didnt think it would be that offensive

[pure raven]

If he starts imma start all imma say bro

[sand sail]

It's not, but not good to fan the flames

[smoky basin]

i will refrain from any and all jokes from here on

[sand sail]

Do not.

[ripe geyser]

That was lighter than a feather compared to how my friend group interacts

[sand sail]

Back to the theories pls

[ripe geyser]

Aye aye discord mod captain

[pure raven]

Yeah what do you guys think about dragon being rocks son

Excluding mocha ya

[digital tapir]

I really wanna know what the point of the oranges is though

[smoky basin]

damn okay 🤣

[digital tapir]

I can’t see any straw hat eating a devil fruit but it only makes sense for one to respawn in nami’s trees

[vale arrow]

Ayo?!

[smoky basin]

how funny would it be if luffy accidentally ate a second df thinking its one of nami's oranges

[pure raven]

Nami will eat it, nami is never gonna get armament haki

Her getting a logia would make life easy for her

[vestal orbit]

snow rabbit theory

[ripe geyser]

I feel like Garp being Luffy’s maternal grandfather would be a bit too similar to Ace. A woman marrying an infamous man and having to give the child her surname and not the husband’s was already done with Ace, it would feel a bit repetitive if Luffy had the exact same thing happen to him

[smoky basin]

whats that

[pure raven]

I thought hairudin ate it for a while but thinking it makes the most sense for nami

[vestal orbit]

theory that carrot would eat the snow fruit back when she actually looked like nakama material

[mint prairie]

Laughtale is the ancient history
Therefore it is important to the revolution dragon wants to create
Only a select few people (Roger Pirates sans Buggy, Whitebeard, possibly Garp) know the truth behind Laugh Tale, the rest of the world only equate that last island with the One Piece and the Pirate King.

Dragon called Robin the light of the revolution
Meaning the poneglipphs are significant to dragon
This I agree with, Robin's meeting with Dragon and subsequent two years under the Rev. Army are important, but we haven't seen much of it come to fruition yet.

Your using roger interactions to justify an entirely different character lol
Shanks has shown interest for going to Laugh Tale by himself, and he definitely knows he needs the Road Poneglyphs.

Dragon has the same tattoo as the man whose legend was to slay a dragon
Just like dragon is trying to take down celestial DRAGONS.
This is irrelevant information for your case.

The symbol on dragons face means containment
Please elaborate on this.

The kanji within ryumas means DRAGON
The name Ryuuma itself means Dragon

Koala has asked about one of the main materials in the poneglipphs.
The revs have shown direct interest in wanos RESOURCES
WHICH THE ROAD PONEGLIPPHS ARE MADE OF
I think this is the best so far, please elaborate further on this with callbacks we can confirm.

Dragon has red cubes on his face
THE ONLY RED CUBES IN ONE PIECE ARE THE ROAD PONEGLIPPHS
This is the weakest in contrast, there is nothing to reinforce this idea other than "red squares, please believe me".

Shanks has shown no interest in wano
Shanks as a whole is a lacklustre character because Oda constantly refuses to do anything with him, I'll give you that.

[digital tapir]

Carrot is gonna become an honorary straw hat when she dies don’t worry 💯💯

[vestal orbit]

[bitter kraken]

RiP Carrot

[ripe geyser]

Oda just wants to build and build hype value on him by making him mysterious, not saying that’s great character writing but it does make fans interested

[mint prairie]

DRAGON WHO IS AWARE OF LUFFYS DREAM
SAID HIM ABD LUFFY WILL MEET, that means he has something of value to luffys journey that will make their laths cross
He has also expressed interest in Luffy crashing into the world like a storm, which doesn't exactly reflect their goals are connected in any shape or form. It makes sense, but keep in mind characters are not aware of all the information we know.

A guy who hardly appears in the damn story had his face in the COVER PAGE
OF THE ROAD PONEGLIPPH chapter
I remain neutral to this point as it means nothing to me, but I won't dismiss it.

[mint prairie]

Yeah, Shanks has actual importance in the story, it's just it hasn't been shown in a significant manner.

[ripe geyser]

Which makes him lacking as a character right now. He’s only interesting in terms of his unknown goals and history (between post-Roger pirates and becoming Yonko)

[pure raven]

The one piece is the ancient history.

Shanks hasn't shown interest in poneglipphs

Your using a secondary interest to expand on another one

When I'm using a direct interest
Therefore I win that point by default

Your shanks argument
Is
" shanks as a little kid said he wants to go to laughtale, he has gotta have a poneglipph"

Despite not showing any hints to having one, despite showing no activity in becoming pk

Shanks is lackluster in comparison to dragon, he is a very cool character just isn't no.1 bro

The red cubes argument is significant

Because I haven given evidence that tattoos of characters that are integral to the plot

Like kaidou and dragon have deep significance

[ripe geyser]

Ok this argument is getting a little out of hand

[pure raven]

Bro I moved on, he started critiquing my whole argument like an essay.

[mint prairie]

He also made an actually good snow sculpture Luffy destroyed. There is evidence of him being talented and could make use of the fruit.
Once again, I am providing points in favour of it, but I have no real expectations on Usopp becoming a Devil Fruit user.

[pure raven]

Roger has a df

Theres legit evidence for this

[ripe geyser]

there is

I have absolutely zero memory of this “evidence” probably cause I didn’t perceive it was evidence

[tardy bolt]

Theory

[pure raven]

Umm I can elaborate

[ripe geyser]

Not saying I’m gonna shut u down no matter what u say

[tardy bolt]

Laugh tale is a place that causes sickness to devil fruit users. It explains the acceleration of roger's disease. When luffy reaches laugh talke it will take chopper and the other straw hats to find a cure on the island. This creates an entire arc where luffy needs to be saved for a change

[mint prairie]

Channel description reads "Slow-mode is enabled to promote lengthy discussions and discourage shitposting." Of course I want to get lengthy and see where things can go from building upon them.

[pure raven]

I'm not saying I don't want criticism

I just want legit arguments against the shit im saying

Someone using the fact that Neptune is friends with roger to say shanks has a poneglipph

Its hard to argue with such a how you say insignificant point like that especially when the person promoting it thinks its really legit

[digital tapir]

The one piece is a smile fruit that’s why roger laughed 💯💯💯

[smoky basin]

ok that was a good one

[tardy bolt]

oda is a troll.

So imagine mihawk is defeated by someone else but still fights zoro. When he loses he tells zoro that he lost the title a while ago and that zoro will need to cut down one more person. Zoro masters the asura and cuts down the world's strongest swordsman

[digital tapir]

Kuina

[pure raven]

The bounties of the 5 emperors and Roger all had some puns or number play in them that linked to their names or character

I'm not gonna say everyone but for example big mom

4.38811 bill

8(Ha) 8(Ha)
A way of saying mother

Anyway back to Roger

His bounty is 5.56480

6480 when broken down as the kanji for "roja"
The Japanese pronunciation of roger

But the 5.5 part
5(Go) 5(Go)
Go Go is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the SOUND OF FIERCE WIND.

So the Go Go no mi

This would be the same df naming as

Ace fruit
Wbs fruit

Suggesting its wind based logia or paramecia

This fruit would also perfectly embody roger
Wind representing freedom

And if this is a logia, it would essentially mean roger is the embodiment of freedom

This would also link into the idea that rogers jolly roger isn't actually a moustache

Especially given the official colours of the flag

[ripe geyser]

What are u, Ohara and Yuderon’s kid?

[pure raven]

Are you insulting me bro

[ripe geyser]

Yes and no

[digital tapir]

Roger had the fruit then it went to dragon boom far fetched theory

[ripe geyser]

The whole thing with using numbers and kanji to determine DF ability sounded so much like Ohara I just had to mention it

[pure raven]

I mean last time I checked what language does oda speak

We can only know so much being English speakers

The puns and wordplay he does in japanese all gets slighted by us

[mint prairie]

Thanks for providing this. This is the kind of stronger evidence I had initially expected from the other theory and I can see it actually happening.

[pure raven]

Thats like expecting someone who speaks German to understand

Kendricks word play

[mint prairie]

It also draws an interesting parallel between the man with the power to create tremors and the man with the hypothetical power to control devastating winds.

Earth and wind have always been portrayed as direct opposites and it would be a good nod at the rivalry between Whitebeard and Roger, the latter being regarded as "the closest person to the One Piece" at some point.

[pure raven]

Nice insight bro

But lowkey I think rocks d xebec was the user of the earth logia

And the parallel it creates with roger and wb as you said kinda makes too much sense

Roger being the opposite element to rock

Wb being a natural counter

Roger the man who wanted to rule nothing vs the man who wanted to rule everything

Wb, the pirate whos only iron rule is not to kill nakama where everyone is like family, and the most vicious and unloving crew where they killed each other regularly.

Rocks greatly contrasts wb and roger

[digital tapir]

Probably why people keep linking rocks with BB

[pure raven]

Desire to rule the world
Aka control the world or the EARTH.

Typical oda symbolism, the man with the greatest desire to be king and control the earth.

Actually has the power to do so.

A natural magnetism to draw the strongest pirates in his circle

Just like the PLANETS NATURAL MAGNETIC field

Also there's the fact that his name is literally rocks

[shadow ruin]

7:18

Episode 965 we see Teach with a tree bladed sword, it is possible this is the weapon that shanks got the scar with, indicating that they have fought before, they are destined to fight episode 965, 7:18

[pure raven]

Wb has the earth quake paramecia

Roger the wind logia

Rocks the earth logia

Garp has them hands

[pure raven]

Yeah ngl are we all in the belief that bbs got multiple people inside of him

Like Cavendish

[versed hamlet]

Why would roger have a logia fruit and have never used it once in his own flashback?

[pure raven]

Did wb use his fruit in their fight

[versed hamlet]

Cavendish doesnt have multiple people inside him either way

[shadow ruin]

Well i just find how the three blades indicate thats where shanks got the scar from

[mint prairie]

Yes.

[pure raven]

Yeah cap

[versed hamlet]

Yes he did

[pure raven]

Wb never used his fruit in the fight we saw with roger

[digital tapir]

I’m interested in the connection between BB and 3 it’s so obvious at this point

[versed hamlet]

What does that panel show to you then

[pure raven]

That was post fight lol

Bro you think I wasn't aware of a scene that happened post fight when they were drinking with oden

In the actual combat between roger and wb, neither used their fruit

Thats what the story shows in both anime and manga

[pure raven]

You still got anything to try say bro

https://tenor.com/view/yup-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-yes-sure-agree-gif-21612420

[shadow ruin]

Yeah same here

[pure raven]

Bbs has a got a Cavendish type situation going on

The guy that scarred shanks wasn't bb, it was a different person inside bb

Likely xebec

[shadow ruin]

What?

[digital tapir]

I dont wanna jump the gun on the multiple people thing cause I think it stemmed from a misinterpretation of something luffy and zoro said

And xebec definitely isn’t one of them 😭

[shadow ruin]

No way it was blackbeard claw blade thingy it makes perfect sense

[pure raven]

Xebec is in bb lol

[bitter kraken]

Lol that’s so weird how would Rocks be in BB

[shadow ruin]

No way

[mint prairie]

[bitter kraken]

Unless rocks had BM’s fruit and used to go send his soul into a baby aka Bb before he died or sum night that’s like horror movie stuff

[vestal orbit]

[pure raven]

What do you mean its weird its one piece

Law has a personality switching df.

And if no one is inside him

You guys tryna say that a 9 Yr old bb came up with a 25 year old plan in the making

[grizzled fog]

He wouldn’t be able to do that, souls can’t go into living things

[bitter kraken]

We don’t know that

[pure raven]

He was 12 when he joined wb

[bitter kraken]

Perhaps an awakkned fruit can do some horror stuff like that

[shadow ruin]

That would be crazy

[digital tapir]

Blackbeard has the Cerberus zoan that’s why he got 2 fruits

[pure raven]

He said he joined wbs crew to find the fruit

Aka he was 12 and had the plan

[shadow ruin]

I just want the manga to get better

[sturdy lantern]

That would actually kinda slap

[vestal orbit]

if that's how zoans work, orochi could have had like 9 devil fruits if he wasn't a literal idiot

[digital tapir]

Fr I saw that earlier and thought it was sick

[bitter kraken]

Lol wtf that would mean BB already has 3 fruits and would RiP all theories about him

[pure raven]

A 12 yr old doesn't come up with that shit

Clearly he had someone feeding him info.
Just like orochi did.

But unlike orochi, bb was constantly with the wb pirates

Yeah ngl the octopus theory is the best so far from that guy 33vil

[digital tapir]

Also means he has a whole zoan transformation we just haven’t seen 😋

[pure raven]

That mythical kraken

Means he can absorb damage, grow back limbs and can quake from multiple limbs

[digital tapir]

I was thinking more that Cerberus has a special perk of holding extra dfs whereas orochis has the perk of giving him extra lives if his heads aren’t cut off

[pure raven]

And is extremely pirate like

Some pirates of the Caribbean type shit.

Makes alot of sense for a pirate mang

[shadow ruin]

Biks sake proves that wrong

[plucky stone]

The kraken is good but i prefer the 3 bodies

[bitter kraken]

How would that thing know that? They aren’t BM or caramel with an awakened fruit plus Rocks broke too many taboos what if something vile like sending your soul into a new born baby or a baby still in the womb is one of those taboos

[vestal orbit]

o

[versed hamlet]

It's big mom's husband that's saying that

[digital tapir]

Blackbeard with a kraken would be cool definitely fits his style of being the most pirate-esque pirate

[grizzled fog]

Yes we do. It was stated

[mint prairie]

Doflamingo rings any bells? A person's upbringing can make them do a lot of stuff. He had Trebol, yes, but he initially plotted on the murder of his own father as a sensible enough attempt at reclaiming his position as a Tenryuubito.

[bitter kraken]

Oh right right but BM husband got taken for a fool that guy don’t know shit

[pure raven]

Yeah Trevor brought him up

So you proving me right bro

[bitter kraken]

BB might be more interesting than dragon

[pure raven]

Yeah hard cap

Dragon is way more interesting than bb

Bb just got mind fucked by rocks and is being used by him to cause chaos

Dragon is an enigma

Luffy gets the 9 tails

[digital tapir]

I reread his introduction today and forgot how awesome it was definitely interesting to me

[sturdy lantern]

BB is possibly the most interesting character in the manga

[mint prairie]

He doesn't need a guide to have a method in his madness, only a trigger. Law has been on his own since a child and he plotted revenge on Doflamingo later on. Just as the latter once acted out of his own volition.

[sturdy lantern]

Him and Dragon, at least

[pure raven]

He needs guide to make an intricate plan of 20+ year preparation at the age of 10

Dont even try argue against that lol

[shadow ruin]

Hes fucked up in the brain

[pure raven]

And that guid needs to constantly monitoring that

[bitter kraken]

So the question is does Rocks talk to Bb, as in does BB hear him constantly guiding him or is it just a feeling

[shadow ruin]

Its an inherited will

[mint prairie]

So Law needed someone to plan on taking down Doflamingo? Don't express your opinions as facts, I'll argue what I find fitting to argue.

[bitter kraken]

Inherited will woudlnf be enough to make Bb who he is or do the things he does

[pure raven]

It wasn't a 20 year plan lol.

And again he got info from corazon about dressrosa

[versed hamlet]

You're missing the point

[pure raven]

And he wasnt 12

He was 26 for fucksake

You comparing a 26 Yr old to a 12 Yr old in terms of planning

[mint prairie]

That doesn't mean in the slightest Teach has had someone guiding his hand all these years. Every character has a starting point and motives.

[versed hamlet]

No corazon died when law was 13 and he was 26 in dressrosa

[pure raven]

Yeah and

[pure raven]

Laws 26???

Bro meek I already bodied you earlier, you should tone down the confidence in your argument

Mmm arguments as competitions to prove others wrong rather than healthy discussion

[versed hamlet]

Dude you did not, you make so many fallacious arguments its pointless to dispute them lol

[mint prairie]

You're posing baseless conjectures, that's it.

[pure raven]

Pls never change, one piece discord

[bitter kraken]

Yeah law is 26, it still is something to think about how young luffy is to everyone else around him lol

[mint prairie]

It's always stage 4 speed runs, I swear.

[pure raven]

Not really

I'm saying that a 12 yr old coming up with a 20 yr plan that intricate without a constant guide is retarded

[pure raven]

Bet someone posted that flowchart already

[mint prairie]

I did.

[pure raven]

That’s true, man has lots of scope for growth

[pure raven]

And comparing law who was 24 to 26 when he came up with his plan against doffy

And also a plan with nowhere near the same intricacies
Is a bad analogy bro

And we don't know what law has been through, for all we know law is in sword

[bitter kraken]

We know law gave the navy a bunch of pirate hearts to get his warlord status

[pure raven]

We know he’s in sword because he uses a sword, checkmate atheists

[pure raven]

And meek lowkey I already bodied you

You said why didn't roger use his fruit in the fight

You had the knack to post a panel aswell

And I still bodied you, therefore you need to chill with the confidence because you clearly lacking some credibility points against me

Its not an insult its just an insight bro

[mint prairie]

You have no credibility points, lad, stop turning civil discussions into ad hominem tournaments.

[sand sail]

We're moving on from this rn

That goes for everyone

[mint prairie]

[versed hamlet]

Okay!

[pure raven]

https://tenor.com/view/bert-angry-muppets-sesame-street-muppet-gif-11962238

Ok, on that note I have a far-fetched theory: since zoro keeps alluding to killing luffy one day, he may have to do it, or pretend to for some purpose

[versed hamlet]

What

[pure raven]

Yeah next theory

[bitter kraken]

So atleast we can all agree Yamato will be the next to join the crew, so that’s good

[mint prairie]

Now it's my turn to write a lengthy shitpost and speedrun stage 4.

[digital tapir]

Last to join the crew*

[versed hamlet]

Steph its your turn now

[pure raven]

Yeah thats up in the air

I’m already light years ahead, ZKL theory baby

And stephs throwing shots now

Even after Obama told us to chill

[bitter kraken]

The crew could get atleast two more members

[pure raven]

Seeing what I did there

Stephs throwing shots

[digital tapir]

Yeah it could

[bitter kraken]

They could get Carrot for cleaning and stuff, and Yamato for combat

[digital tapir]

I just feel like it would be cool if luffy stuck to the 10 crewmates like he said at the start

[mint prairie]

Nah, I'm disregarding my incoming writings before hand because I have no self-confidence. Just let me get it out of the oven.

[pure raven]

https://tenor.com/view/steph-curry-litt-score-facetime-gif-13892121

[digital tapir]

Carrot would be lookout yamato would do like logging or something

[pure raven]

Carrot is joining law

[bitter kraken]

Zoro sleeps and workouts in the lookout space

Carrot is less likely to join than Yamato

[digital tapir]

Yeah

[pure raven]

Steph about to dunk a theory on us like steph curry

Yeah that did not hit

And you copying my joke earlier

Come on bro, I thought you were better than that

And steph curry hardly dunks making that joke even less funny

Perhaps not, but I’m having a good time and not hurting anyone

[sand sail]

Mkay, so before any conversation continues

First off, this isn't the channel for these jokes

And second, there needs to be far less toxicity in the discussion

[pure raven]

My bad, I apologize for the jokes

[digital tapir]

Why the fuck did I get warned I didn’t even say anything

[pure raven]

Steve relax

[bitter kraken]

How did the warming look

[sand sail]

Because I've asked you before not to bullshit in this channel directly, and you've continued. Stop.

Move on to a discussion about a substantial topic, or take it to another channel

[digital tapir]

Where did I bullshit??

[sand sail]

You can joke, just not here.

[pure raven]

So any other theories

I got a theory that uranus is a giant roc bird

[digital tapir]

Ok so just don’t answer my question

[digital tapir]

How does that work

[sand sail]

This, in the middle of a discussion, is warn worthy after you've been told before.

[pure raven]

And I believe that zou will come to wano, and the bird will dwarf it like in the last image

[sand sail]

If you really needed it pointed out, anyway. You can just not do this.

[onyx kiln]

so many circles!

[sand sail]

People do think the giant egg on Roger's ship could be Uranus

[onyx kiln]

is this the will of C. ircle?

[digital tapir]

You reached way back for that and it’s not implausible to think there’s some connection there was no point in warning for that

[sand sail]

You may not be far off, I don't know about being bigger than Zunesha though

[pure raven]

How long did it take to come up with that theory?

[sand sail]

Nah, we're not gonna sit here and pretend like you weren't trying to meme. Not even entertaining it.

[pure raven]

I mean what do you want me to do bro

I try to make shit as clear as possible and I got guys like this making jokes

I circle shit so even neanderthals can understand what I'm trying to say

[digital tapir]

So I get warned for it an hour later?

[sand sail]

You can DM me if you want to continue, we're not going to talk about it here.

[pure raven]

Its definitely gonna be bigger than zunesha

[sand sail]

Zunesha's the size of several islands, that's a tall order

[digital tapir]

I don’t want to dm you you’re condescending enough here as it is

[pure raven]

Its an ancient weapon bruh

[sand sail]

So is Shirahoshi

[bitter kraken]

My theory on Uranus is that it’s a space weapon of somekind located on the moon. We do know that there can be life on the moon as enel is there, and there were space pirates. So on earth there is a sorta control thing that allows you to activate the weapon and basically blast coordinates on earth, and fhe control for it is in the holy land and it’s what IM sama and co use to cleanse. It very prolly is a laser thing but could be a missile, the weapon itself could even be the whole moon that enel is on making it artificial.

[pure raven]

Yeah and she can control the entire sea kings

[digital tapir]

I feel like the moon actually being relevant is a bit far fetched

[pure raven]

Death Star! That’s a cool theory

Yo rocks was a former admiral

[digital tapir]

There’s not really enough foreshadowing with the moon for it to play a role in the actual series

[bitter kraken]

Some believe that dragon is a former admiral

[pure raven]

Yeah I can debunk the dragon admiral stuff

[digital tapir]

I mean it would sound reasonable with him being garp’s son

[pure raven]

Robin said this guy has a unknown past, his origins are unknown to the public

Therefore he can't be a marine, the navy is regarded as the PUBLIC FACE OF THE WG by the GANDHIS GOROSEI

[shadow ruin]

You dont know shit

[sand sail]

Why would you just go at it like this? Chill tf out.

[pure raven]

Lol, Obama tell this guy to leave

[digital tapir]

The wg has “erased people from history” before, take shiryu

[bitter kraken]

Yeah I think I dragon had been an admiral smoker atelast woulda called him a traitor or something when they met

[digital tapir]

It’s not impossible for them to cover up his existence

[pure raven]

Yeah I have my reasons

You are using hc

I'm using panels bro, Robin said something

You out here using hc to counter, what an i supposed to do here

[bitter kraken]

Unless the WG had Puddins fruit and used it on a massive scale on the navy who knew dragon had been promoted to admiral, soon as he gets promoted to admiral he is taken to the holy land and let in on secrets that casue his rebellion because he is Garps son and his moral compass won’t let him be a part of that 🤔

[pure raven]

Saying they erased dragon is speculation

[digital tapir]

Yeah that’s what a theory is man

[pure raven]

No theories have evidence g

Speculation is the nice way of saying fanfic

[onyx kiln]

what if dragon is just a guy

[bitter kraken]

Lol dragon is not just a guy, he’s as important in the Op world as the yonko, royals, etc.. he’s on that scale

[digital tapir]

Garp would’ve tried to make his son a marine like he did with luffy and ace, it’s definitely possible that he succeeded

[sand sail]

He's not that important yet

[pure raven]

Ace said the sons of world wide criminals can't become marines

[bitter kraken]

No that important yet to us as the readers, but in the OP world he is worldwide

[pure raven]

Huh

[sand sail]

No, in the One Piece world he's still really small

[pure raven]

So rocks is not a world wide criminal

[digital tapir]

Yah and dragon’s father is a vice admiral what’s your point 😂😂

[sand sail]

That's why they've had to work from the shadows for so long. The Emperors reign over the New World, the World Government has to contest them

The Revolutionary Army can be crushed

[pure raven]

If you really think garp is dragons bio father

You are a casual, and take that as you will bruh

[bitter kraken]

Dragon is small time? No way, do dude is actually trying to overthrow the whole system

[versed hamlet]

Id argue (using the official translations) that there's a difference between world class and global scale

[sand sail]

Dragon just, at least seemingly from what we've seen, doesn't have the kind of reach or presence as the Emperors here. He's just attacking the government directly

[digital tapir]

Now who’s using head canon

[pure raven]

I'm using headcanon, at least I'm not bussing out fanfic

[sand sail]

Yeah, he's not small, but he's nowhere near the Emperors. He's got a small army, so far no territory to speak of, and has already either run or lost against an Emperor directly

[digital tapir]

What bro 😭

[bitter kraken]

Attacking the government directly is something on a major scale as no one else does that, not even yonko

[stuck ore]

Now thats some instagram meme page logic

[sand sail]

They do, yeh

[wild veldt]

Dragon also just got to the level where he is confident to war with the Government

[sand sail]

^

[wild veldt]

After at least 8 years

[bitter kraken]

Yeah y’all are right

[versed hamlet]

Adding on to your point, just looking at bounties, although they aren't very reliable, the average bounty of the revolutionary commanders just tend to be much lower than an average yonko's commanders

[sand sail]

Which means he's only just gotten to a point where he can even try to contest things, and even then they went and made it a point to specify they're not trying to war with the whole government

[wild veldt]

BB took like 1 or 2 years to equal the other yonko

Dragon is lagging behind

[onyx kiln]

He doesn't need to be, he's not a pirate

[stuck ore]

Get a good wifi dragon

[sand sail]

Also true, yeh. Dragon's is likely the highest, but that's because of what he does, not the pull he has. He's just hte only criminal out there actually go after the government, instead of just amassing enough of a presence to be a government himself, as the Emperors have.

[digital tapir]

Dragon doesn’t have 2 of the strongest fruits in the series man 😭

[pure raven]

Dragons nowhere near the emperors yet has a higher bounty than all of them

Nowhere near the emperors yet has a organisation that at max health is probably stronger than minimum 2 of the yonkos crews.

Last time I checked haki is will power and ambition. And dragons ambition is the highest in the series of those alive

[sand sail]

Dragon being a pirate is arguable. Not needing that influence is irrelevant, I'm responding to the point that he's just as big as they are.

[stuck ore]

Only conqueror is will power

[versed hamlet]

Yeah im assuming its like Dragon / Yonko / YC / Rev Commanders in that order from bounty level

[pure raven]

Your right dragon isn't as important as the emperors

His more important lol

[sand sail]

You're gonna have to stop using headcanon so hard, man

[digital tapir]

Bounties are not a measure of strength, chopper’s is literally like 500

[wild veldt]

The only reason Dragon is the most wanted is because he is directly targeting the WG

[sand sail]

^

[versed hamlet]

This is the funniest shit ive read today

[wild veldt]

Unlike the yonko who don't really care

[sand sail]

It's nothing to do with his strength, it's what he's doing

[bitter kraken]

Chopper is fodder tho

[pure raven]

Im sure when your bounty is 5 bill plus you one of the strongest in the verse lol

[versed hamlet]

Robin as a CHILD was at 79 million

[sand sail]

Sure, I imagine he's at least as strong as an admiral

[pure raven]

OK

[stuck ore]

Or you just know the secrets of void century

[onyx kiln]

I mean it's almost obvious he's as strong as an emperor and probably has a higher bounty

[pure raven]

79 mill isn't 5 bill

[wild veldt]

Yeah, no issue being around the admirals

It's not obvious

at all

[pure raven]

5 bill isn't 79 mill lol

[sand sail]

Higher bounty, maybe. We don't actually know if he does or not, we just know they consider him the worst guy out there

[pure raven]

A higher bounty than wb lol

[sand sail]

Obvious he's almost as strong as the Emperors? I can't see the logic behind that statement

[mint prairie]

Do I drop a bomb right now or do I finish my ramblings and drop a nuke? I don't want to disrupt the channel too much.

[sand sail]

If it's not a meme, nuke away.

[pure raven]

Almost, bro he is likely stronger than them

You’ve been typing for so long, I want to see the theory

[mint prairie]

Okay, I will wait until I'm done then.

[stuck ore]

And how do you know?

[pure raven]

I don't see any reason why dragon is weaker than any yonko lol

[sand sail]

Besides two of them being called the strongest people in the world?

[stuck ore]

I dont see a reason either?

[versed hamlet]

Its not just strength tho

[stuck ore]

Maybe he is but no reason for now

[sand sail]

There's a lot of reason that Dragon isn't as strong as the Emperors. Not least of which being how he actually went and ran from one

[grizzled fog]

The simple fact that they’re literally the strongest beings alive. There needs to be reasons to put dragon alongside them, not vice versa

[pure raven]

Not being weaker =/= stronger

[stuck ore]

Finally

[sand sail]

It's not just strength, but within the series bounty is used directly correlated to power

[onyx kiln]

Why would he even fight when he has bigger plans than a mere yonko

[versed hamlet]

Fair, but it's not mutually exclusive upon all cases though

[pure raven]

I think it’s like physical and ideological threat to the government

[sand sail]

To say bounty =/= strength is disingenuous, there are rare exceptions where bounty is inflated beyond a person's general ability

[bitter kraken]

Dragon has to be able to solo an admiral, he is going after the holy land and they are directly protected by admirals so he clashing with them is the future. I wager he kills Kizaru

[sand sail]

And the characters within the series are constantly using bounty as a soft scaling system

[versed hamlet]

I know, my message literally said its not JUST strength

[stuck ore]

Buggy for example

[sand sail]

At all levels

[sand sail]

Bigger? The Emperors are like...almost directly as big as the World Government, though

That's kind of the point of the World Balance

[pure raven]

Haki is ambition

Dragons ambition is greater than any yonko.

Lineage better than all of them, regardless of whether its garp or rocks.

And he shits on them in nearly every field lol

[sand sail]

That's not actually how haki works

That's never been how haki works

[pure raven]

Haki is ambition

[versed hamlet]

Lineage doesn't matter and haki doesn't function like ambition

[sand sail]

The word haki can translate to ambition, yes

[pure raven]

Check the definition of haki bro

[sand sail]

It is not actually as simple as the more ambition you have, the stronger you are. Otherwise, Luffy wouldn't have needed 5000 people behind him to fight Kaido

[versed hamlet]

The literal definition of the word doesn't correlate with its actual function though in universe

[sand sail]

Shanks would've actually been able to knock out most of Whitebeard's crew with his haki

[onyx kiln]

Of course they are but he has betters things to do than lose time with a Yonko

[sand sail]

Whitebeard would've wiped Marineford out by himself

[pure raven]

I'm using the definition of the word you using a non viz translation

Who is more credible here bro

[wild veldt]

I mean, greater ambitions than the yonko? Is taking over the world or becoming PK greater than toppling the government?

That is debatable too

[sand sail]

^

[bitter kraken]

Dragon decided not to fight it out with a fat guy only because it served his purpose that his base be discovered, it would make the navy think the revs are on the run and make it easier to infiltrate the holy land like they did. Dragon is tactical, he didn’t cut and run

[stuck ore]

You are using some random word's definition I am using the series

[digital tapir]

If haki was just ambition wouldn’t anyone be able to unlock CoC?

[sand sail]

But you can't actually support this, unfortunately

[stuck ore]

Exactly

[versed hamlet]

Haki is literally a power, it is not ambition

[sand sail]

Haki gets fueled ambition through training and experience, it's not literally just your ambition

[pure raven]

It’s mainly to do with spirit and willpower as I understand it

Becoming pk isn't a greater ambition than changing the entire world

Luffy is a goofball, he is an idiot. He doesn't give af about anything around him thats not his crew or friends

While dragon out here tryja free the world

Conquerors specifically may depend somewhat on ambition but the core of the idea is spirit

[digital tapir]

Luffy literally learned haki from a retiree you think he’s ambitious?

[pure raven]

Dragons ambition is higher than luffys simple bro

[wild veldt]

I don't know man

[sand sail]

Becoming Pirate King literally changes the entire world

[versed hamlet]

^

[stuck ore]

So if a random guy dreams of conquering the whole planet he becomes coc user?

[pure raven]

So becoming pirate king

Fixes the noble system of every country ueah

[sand sail]

We just can't simplify things like this

It's reducing it too much, haki has never been that simple

[pure raven]

I said will and ambition

[stuck ore]

Yes, I can name 10 islands luffy has changed in his conquest of becoming pk

[bitter kraken]

Lol does it really, how did roger change the world? All he did was create more pirates by dying and promising them his treasure, PK’s don’t change the world luffy just thinks he’ll be the most free

[pure raven]

It’s definitely an abstract concept, and I hope it stays that way. I don’t want to see powerscalers giving characters haki points lmao

[wild veldt]

Becoming pirate king will turn the world upside down

[pure raven]

10 Islands isn't every fucking country man

[sand sail]

Dragon toppling the World Government doesn't fix the noble system of every country lol

The World Government doesn't define nobility

[pure raven]

Yes it does

[stuck ore]

And what has dragon done till now?

[reef solstice]

The fact that haki grows in battle alone dosproves that it is somehow a direct equivalent of your 'ambition'

[sand sail]

It fixes exactly one group of nobles, the Celestial Dragons. The world can handle the rest on its own

[versed hamlet]

Dragon's goal is to dismantle the system of the Celestial Dragons/World Nobles -> It indirectly changes the world but that is not the primary motivation of dragon

All Dragon wants to do is get rid of the nobles

[wild veldt]

It is entirely possible that the world government would have reason to be toppled with the coming of a pirate king because of the info of the void century that comes with it

[sand sail]

This isn't a fact. Haki is trained, conqueror's is the only thing that needs experience to increase

[pure raven]

The wg promotsss the separation between nobility and the poor people

As kaido says, life isn’t just a series of simple questions and answers

[sand sail]

No, that's not something the government really focuses on at all

[stuck ore]

Also kaidou

When will I die?

[pure raven]

Dragon literally said that he wants to change that

So if he topples them, yes he does change that lll

[stuck ore]

He never said that

Garp did, rumors about him did

[digital tapir]

He doesn’t want to topple the wg tho

[sand sail]

Garp hates the way nobles are in general, but he only wants to topple the Celestial Dragons directly

[pure raven]

Dragons ambition is higher than every yonko

Will higher than every yonko. Lineage better than every yonko

He happens to be a D aswell lol

He has been active 20 so years and has a higher bounty than guys that been active 5 decades

[sand sail]

The local nobles? As we saw already, he's helping countries overcome those on their own

He's not doing anything except supporting rebellions, but the WG has nothing to do with that

[stuck ore]

Enel had the biggest ambition that way

Conquering the moon

[pure raven]

The moon is smaller than the earth dumbass

Isn’t the rev commanders goal to inspire the people rather than solve problems for them

[sand sail]

Kaido wants to destroy the world in a world war. Higher will than the Emperors is empty conjecture, and you don't know his bounty at all

[digital tapir]

Enel literally wanted to be god of earth first

[stuck ore]

But dragon dosent wanna conquer the earth, he just wanna throw away a group of ppl

[versed hamlet]

Why is lineage relavant?

[reef solstice]

Haki blooms arent a fact?

[sand sail]

You've got to stop throwing these things out like anything in the series has stated it lol

[pure raven]

Establishing that was the main theme of their intro

Lineage is extremely relevant to power

[sand sail]

Sure. But no, it's not the only way it grows.

[wild veldt]

3 of yonko either want to become Pk which will turn the world upside down or take over the world. Both are greater than just toppling the WG

[pure raven]

Okama you think shanks has a road poneglipph

With no evidence

No offence but you need to chill thinking everything you say is fact lol

[sand sail]

^ The latter is literally toppling the World Government

[digital tapir]

Not even toppling the wg he wants to take down the celestial dragons

[stuck ore]

Lineage is only relevant to coc users, usually coc users children also have coc we haven't seen any lineage factor other than that.

Luffy literally resembles gold roger over his father

[pure raven]

Lineage is relevant to strength

[pure raven]

Pretty sure they all explicitly want to rule as literal pirate kings, definitely bigger than just removing the current establishment

[stuck ore]

If coc = strength then yes

[digital tapir]

He actually is fine with keeping the wg itself

[reef solstice]

Oh i meant for the word alone to be stressed on the word fact, not battle

[sand sail]

Everything i'm saying is a fact. You don't know Dragon's bounty. You don't know how strong his will is compared to the Emperor's. Dragon does want to topple only the Celestial Dragons, and not the World Government, directly.

[versed hamlet]

Yeah isnt a "world of violence" a greater ambition than toppling the WG and getting rid of the celestial dragons?

[pure raven]

Bro I've officially clocked this

But spacify009, you aren't very bright bro

[stuck ore]

Ofc I am not the sun

[sand sail]

Dragon has supported rebellions across the world without actually toppling anyone himself.

[pure raven]

This is a good point and needs to be taken into consideration

[sand sail]

These are actual facts from the series, I'm not giving you opinions, I'm fact checking you lmao

[stuck ore]

I am a non luminous object

[pure raven]

I've been skimming the shit you say but lowkey your giving me migraines bro

[stuck ore]

You have multiple brains? How tf do you get multiple migraines?

[lone hedge]

RJking120#7693 was muted!

[sand sail]

Really tired of the toxicity, guys

[pure raven]

He doesn’t want to destroy the system, he wants to change it and get rid of the CD and their evil

[sand sail]

So glad you're able to discuss maturely

^

Dragon's goal isn't toppling the World Government, it's just deposing the Celestial Dragons

[stuck ore]

Dragon will most likely just replace cds with someone else

[sand sail]

Which is going to cause, of course, a massive cascading effect. But, in comparison, Kaido and Big Mom want to destroy the entire government

By definition, their goal actually is bigger.

[stuck ore]

Kaidou was about to actually

Shanks stopped him somehow

[pure raven]

I wonder what would’ve happened if he hadn’t stopped him

[distant valve]

Death

[pure raven]

Poor kaido missed out

[stuck ore]

Bb would have died for sure

He would have just jumped on kaidou for the fish fish fruit

[distant valve]

Bb wouldn't of been there at that point

[digital tapir]

Dragon clearly sees the necessity of the wg, I feel like that reflects garp instilling a marine mindset in him and that’s why I don’t believe in the rocks as dragon’s dad theory

[vestal orbit]

garp forced him to join the marines if he wanted to date his daughter

[pure raven]

I think we should take what the characters, the narrator and oda have told us at face value and assume that garp, dragon and luffy are biologically related unless directly shown otherwise

[digital tapir]

Exactly that’s how I feel

[stuck ore]

Dosent dragon uses same name as garp? Monkey D?

[pure raven]

I think that’s a reasonable assumption to make, and I doubt that oda would throw this kind of curveball this late into the series

[stuck ore]

Then why the hell are ppl arguing?

[pure raven]

That is a question that science is unable to answer

[digital tapir]

Especially since he already used that exact twist with ace

[pure raven]

And momo too

[stuck ore]

Ppl are literally saying how oda will reuse marineford plot with sabo you think this will stop them?

[pure raven]

Ppl are saying buggy will become pirate king, I think if this is a serious theory discussion channel there should be a filter for bad faith arguments

[digital tapir]

You right

[gray creek]

The Dragon theory already assumes Garp essentially raised him. Well, some versions

[digital tapir]

That doesn’t make sense really because garp would have to have a daughter if dragon wasn’t his son

[gray creek]

What if he does?

[digital tapir]

It’s possible but it would be a stretch

[gray creek]

Oh yeah, for sure. I just disagree with some of the specific rebuttals. Like, it’s not exactly the same as the Portgas D. Ace thing if Dragon mukoyoshi’d his way into the Monkey family. It’s an inverse, even

[digital tapir]

Would make an interesting backstory

[mint prairie]

Come gather 'round 'cause I'm going to blow you away with the worst take yet:

There have been some talks and theorising about Luffy's Gear 5 turning him into something more resembling of a divine figure like those in Buddhism. This is supported by not just visual cues from Oda (see Gear Fourth's resemblance to the Ni-Ou) but also Hyougorou comparing Luffy to a Guardian Deity (also known as Wisdom Kings or Myou-ou).

The name Myou-ou is a translation of Vidyaa-raaja, with the word Vidyaa being also translated as Radiant/Bright and being the word for Mantras. This can provide two new translations (both applicable in Japanese and English) as the Radiant King, which plays into the idea of Luffy being the the Dawnbringer, as well as the Mantra King, with the already in-universe explanation of Mantra being another name for Haki/Ambition, playing into the idea of Luffy's dream of becoming Pirate King and his mastery over Haki, not just Conqueror's/King's Haki, which is already a massive step-up in his evolution as a fighter.

Now, for who the Wisdom Kings are, these are wrathful deities in Buddhism who compose three major groups, two of them being exclusive to the Chinese Buddhism doctrine, so the only remaining one (the "global" or widely accepted doctrine) is the Five Wisdom Kings, representing each of the cardinal points (North, East, South, West) as well as a central King (the centre is also a cardinal point in Buddhism) which is regarded as the Immovable.

The most common representation of these deities is similar to how the map of the world in One Piece is often depicted: the North in the upper left corner, East in the upper right, South in the bottom right, and West in the bottom left, with the centre tying them all in.

I will focus on two particular kings, the King of the East and the King of the Centre. While these might represent different prominent figures of each sea, I believe these might as well not be interpreted as a collective, but rather as a single entity, the concept of a Wisdom King, and the manifestation of an enlightened figure which ultimately represents Monkey D. Luffy.

The King of the East, also known as Trailokyavijaya or Gouzanze Myou-ou, is "The Wisdom King who Conquered the Three Worlds" and thus, conqueror of Greed, Hatred, and Ignorance. While the rest of the Wisdom Kings are said to have trampled on demons, the King of the East is the only one depicted as trampling on a God (in this case, Shiva and Parvati), playing into the idea of Luffy being an enemy of the gods. He is also the embodiment of Akshobhya, who made a vow not to harbour anger or malice towards any being until he achieved enlightenment.
For his parallel with Luffy, he has been shown not to hold onto grudges for too long, as he didn't have any beef with Crocodile or other enemies (see Buggy, Smoker, other Baroque Works members), as well as not being immediately aggressive towards Marines like Fujitora, and also being directly responsible for "breaking the cycle of hatred" Fishmen have felt towards humans during the events of Fishman Island. Overall Luffy has been shown to be a person harbouring no malice whatsoever and being able to accept anyone as a friend.

The King of the Centre, Acala "The Immovable", is the manifestation of Vairocana, the enlightened form of Gautama Buddha, the first Buddha. Acala is regarded as the destroyer of Evil, and several stories of the rescue of devotees in a manner comparable to a miracle when they were in great danger and often attributed to this Myou-ou. Acala is said to embody the traits of the other four Kings and, just as the rest, is represented with either dark blue or black skin (like Luffy's Gear 4) and is also depicted surrounded in a burning aura. He is, as well worshipped through the ritual of Homa (Japanese: Goma, which might or might not play into the Spanish word for Gum), which consists in the offering of material possessions (prominently food) to a ritual fire. There has been one particular instance of a ritual fire conducted by the rubber man himself when Luffy send the Going Merry off in a burial fire.

This is not a conclusive theory nor solid evidence of this being the case for what Oda has in store for Luffy, but rather an analysis of a couple of instances of symbolism that have been seen in the manga before, within the context of Buddhism.

That being said, I do believe we'll see an evolution for Luffy in Gear 5 as he slowly but surely becomes a figure similar to that of a deity who will vanquish evil. Another point I didn't really touch hard upon is the idea that the Myou-ou of the East, as well as most deities in the Japanese interpretation, is shown as an entity who directly opposes other gods, for Buddhism is not a theistic religion, but rather one centred in the idea of enlightenment through one's own will.

[stuck ore]

Vidyaa means knowledge actually in hindi

It can be seen because asura means demon in hindi and hindu gods often have multiple arms and heads

[mint prairie]

As a bonus that I thought about but didn't go anywhere else with: The Straw Hat Pirates are comprised from members of all of the seas (4 seas and the Grand Line).

[stuck ore]

Who is from west blue?

[mint prairie]

Robin and Brook.

[versed hamlet]

"it refers to valid knowledge, which cannot be contradicted, and true knowledge, which is the intuitively-gained knowledge of the self" its more like an self-enlightenment

[stuck ore]

Idk about self elghtenment part

There are people who gain 'Vidyaa' in schools but act stupid on iternet

[modest skiff]

There doesn’t need to be anything else above Reverie. The existing structure is mostly fine if you remove the CDs. I disagree with the idea that Dragon would place leadership above individual nations

[stuck ore]

Can be

[drowsy marsh]

I kinda like the Dragon is Rocks' son

Only problems I have, is that Dragon has the same bloodtype as Garp, and it would make the Garp taking in Ace moment worse. As Roger had a precedent and did not rely on the weird friendship he created with Garp through fighting.

[tawdry plaza]

I kind of think Weevil is gonna be one heck of an important character

Oda didn’t give him screentime due to nothing

[digital tapir]

I think he’ll be pretty important, it’d be weird if he had that whole introduction to not be that important, especially when there’s already so much going on

[tawdry plaza]

And Weevil claiming that he’s Newgate’s son kind of amuses me since no one went against him

Or Weevil can also be one of BB’s men

[lean pine]

He will be a villain

[alpine forge]

Who is from south blue ?

[mint prairie]

Franky.

[modest skiff]

When posting a video, please try giving at least a brief summary and what you think. See channel description.

[lean pine]

Ok

[heady parrot]

i’ve seen a theory that kuina may have faked her death and joined the revolutionary army. it wasn’t super convincing or anything but it had more substance than this.

it included ivankov changing kuinas gender as well but just not becoming zoro

[alpine forge]

All the strongest people like roger, garp, dragon, luffy, zoro and others are from east blue. But also why is it a weakest sea and pirates with bounty less than 30m berries are there. Does anyone have theory regarding it?

[modest skiff]

Not really sure what theory we could come up with. Pirates with low bounties are on every sea. Roger and Dragon both being from east blue may indicate someone from there inspired both of them. Aside from that, there’s really not much to say. What do you think?

[mint prairie]

I don't have a theory per se, but I assume it is because strong people gravitate towards the Grand Line. There is no need to stick around the East Blue when you're strong to go to the big leagues.

[pure raven]

The east blue is clearly falsely proposed as the weakest sea

My theory is that God valley was in the east blue

Of course evidence is needed

It is called the sea of schemes, so basically where big plots are hatched.
E.g a huge ass money making scheme like sengoky talked about

Chapter 96 is the first hint at rocks existence

When woop slap says whether luffy being a pirate is his dream ir fate

Rockstar from the red hair pirates had a bounty of 94 mill

94 in japanese is a number used to acknowledge the deceased or THE FORGOTTEN.

Rocks just happens to be BOTH of those in one piece.

This makes be believe that rocks born first name is actually star than xebec

Similar to the wg meth they did for roger calling him gold roger instead of gol d roger

[alpine forge]

Could be. Maybe that nspiring person was the one who gave gave roger sh

[pure raven]

Rocks character is based of Roche brazilliano who grew up in bahia brazil

And goa Kingdom is based of brazil

This makes me 100% sure that rocks was born and raised in goa Kingdom like garp

Also on a smaller note rocks seems to be afro-latino
From his dreads and shit

And bahia just happened to be the biggest slave area in Brazil

If you watch a vid I made recently about goa kingdom

I talk about how oda bases all the characters in goa of STARS. Well the ones of significance.

The name of the king sterry is a slight play on the word starry

[pure raven]

Bro that doesn't mean anything lol

Jinbei has the same blood type as luffy

Is he luffys uncle now

[pure raven]

Roger to me has always looked like a clown for forcing his child on garp based on the fact they used to scrap and nearly kill each other

With the dragon shit, like you said there's a precedent

[patent summit]

I mean he gave ace to garp because roger was eventually gonna die and he knew garp could take better care of ace

[pure raven]

And he chose the person who would get the most backlash if they found out he was harboring him

He had time to tell his crew

[patent summit]

Garp probably wouldnt care about the backlash he would recieve

[pure raven]

All im saying is that he would need to see garp display some form of character to know he would be the best person to look after his son

Otherwise it's a rather selfish move by roger

And that display would come through dragon

But of course I suppose you gonna give me another mild reason why I'm wrong

[patent summit]

I dont think it was a clowns move from roger based on the fact they used to scrap with eachother. They were both saving the world alongside eachother

[modest skiff]

Why are you so sure Roger didn’t have a good feel for Garp’s character? You don’t really have a reason to think that. We have a very limited understanding of that time period atm

[pure raven]

Saving the world

If they were saving the world, garl wouldn't mind speaking of the incident

They protected the celestials despite being Ds

Theres nothing more disgraceful

[modest skiff]

Garp doesn’t like talking about it due to attention and prestige and helping CDs

[pure raven]

How tf do you get a feel of someone's character

Oh yh by them doing shit

[modest skiff]

I disagree with your analysis a lot here, it isn’t substantiated by the story

You are essentially assuming we have the full story and that clearly Roger must be some kind of dummy

[pure raven]

Yeah him giving ace his son because they fought alot is retarded

Therefore he has to have seen a quality in garp to know that he was capable of looking after the son a world wide criminal

Thats simple logic

And you don't find that quality hitting each other with conquerors coating

Again simple logic

[modest skiff]

Also this isn’t really a theory so doesn’t belong in this channel, this is just a discussion on whether or not Roger should have given ace to Garp

[patent summit]

He just wanted garp to take care of ace because he felt that was the best decision

[pure raven]

Give us a theory then, you were encouraging the convo

[modest skiff]

There’s no requirement for an existing conversation. This channel isn’t intended for flowing constant conversation

[pure raven]

I actually wrote a theory before this convo started

[modest skiff]

Then let’s get back to that

[pure raven]

Yeah I said God valley was in the east blue

Formerly

[patent summit]

Why you think fhat

[pure raven]

I explained before

You can scroll up

Because I don't think surmised points work for the fellas here

I talked about the fact that xebec isn't actually rocks first name

And it was a name he adopted during his life

And the fact that east is the SEA OF SCHEMES

[mint prairie]

To add on this: It has been told time and again that Roger and Garp did not just clash in a cat-and-mouse chase, they came to know and understand each other over the years. They trusted each other enough to fight back to back against the Rock Pirates, and it was that trust what led Roger to entrust his son to his former rival. It was the best decision to him because he knew his son could have a life detached from the legacy and infamy he would leave behind. Out of all the people he came to know, Garp was the best choice.

[pure raven]

Yeah again

Combat doesn't warrant a desicion like that

[mint prairie]

That's no fact. That's an interpretation.

[pure raven]

Lol OK sir

[mint prairie]

Ma'am.*

[pure raven]

My bad ma'am its my interpretation

On what I actually think is rocks name

[modest skiff]

I could have sworn pirates have referred to Rocks by name but maybe I’m wrong

[pure raven]

No one has called him xebec apart from sengoku

[modest skiff]

The idea of his name being hidden only makes sense if no pirates have called them by name

[mint prairie]

They knew each other over the years, their relationship was not reduced to their combats. Examples of a pirate and a marine interacting beyond just clashes are Luffy's interactions with Smoker and Koby.

[patent summit]

And no one calls bigmom charlotte linlin

[mint prairie]

In a debriefing where he let on plenty of confidential information.

[modest skiff]

I’m not against the idea of his name being hidden, but I feel like there’s extremely little evidence to the point where it feels like a shot in the dark

[pure raven]

I gave evidence throughout rockstar but ok

[modest skiff]

Also fwiw I think his hair is a result of him being either Lunarian or the Yami

[pure raven]

And its pretty significant

[modest skiff]

In the silhouette

[pure raven]

I said that rockstars bounty was significant
94 million
The no. 94 in japanese is used in acknowledgement for the dead or forgotten

[modest skiff]

You mean this right?

[pure raven]

Yes that is evidence

[modest skiff]

The 94 stuff feels reasonable

I see no reason against it

It’s a bit of a stretch but I won’t pretend it’s totally unreasonable

[pure raven]

A stretch coming from oda

[modest skiff]

Yeah like I said a stretch doesn’t mean not possible

[pure raven]

The guy who loves puns and number play

[modest skiff]

Yeah

Your other stuff I disagree with but I can entertain the idea of the 94 parts

[pure raven]

OK lemme give you some examples of number play oda has used

234 we were revealed to sengoku tsuru and rockstar and wb we were also revealed to blackbeard

Exactly 200 chapters after

We got the meeting between shanks and wb that was foreshadowed in 234.

In the reversal order chapter of 234 we got revealed to the yonko system in 432 garp and dragons identity

But your gonna tell me this is coincidence

[pure raven]

So rocks being based of Roche brazilliano is a stretch when even the official wiki says its taken a namesake

[modest skiff]

Zeus is the example I like to cite as history or mythology not meaning absolute

[pure raven]

I'm confused bro what are you trying to say here

[modest skiff]

I’m saying Rocks can borrow a name from Roche Brazilliano without being strictly based on them

Zeus, in one piece, is not the leader of all gods

He’s a cloud

[pure raven]

Well unfortunately he already has several aspects taken from him

The fact that he operated in a pirate paradise like rocks

The fact that the end of his pirate career ended with him disappearing in a similar fashion to rocks in one piece

[modest skiff]

Yeah I get what you mean, there’s a lot of evidence

[pure raven]

Yeah so the zeus analogy you gave doesn't apply here

And another reason I believe his name was star instead of xebec is because of blackbeard.

Blackbeard who has openly inherited xebecs will through his ship is the personification of a black hole

Bb has had this plan in motion from the age of 11 minimum.

Black holes don't form from anywhere they are originally massive stars.

This means whatever the will within bb started as, it wasn't what it is now

[modest skiff]

Ohhhh I like that connection

I’ll be surprised if Xebec didn’t have the Yami originally

[pure raven]

Yeah I don't think he did

[grizzled fog]

issue with that is that someone should have pointed it out before, probably in marineford

but its possible

[modest skiff]

Maybe

[pure raven]

He encountered several people that had fought him.

1. Wb seemed to have no recollection of the power

2. Garp commented on wbs powers and payed no attention to the yami

[modest skiff]

Maybe people just don’t comment on people having past powers

[pure raven]

Garp did comment on powers and it wasn't the yami, so I highly doubt his greatest enemy had it

So a character as significant as xebec and someone's using their power and not even a subtle hint

Those scenes are gonna be big Retcons if you are rigjt

Not saying xebec looks like this guy, but his hair is extremely similar

And it just so happens this character is from Brazil

And is heavily based of Ronaldinho

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think you’ve got a good theory

[pure raven]

Appreciate it

[modest skiff]

Like the connection to black holes

So why do you think BB named his ship?

Where’s the connection?

[pure raven]

Saber of xebec

Xebec seems to have a saber weapon.
It may also have something to do with those weird shaped saber df knives that they possess

Anyway so basically you see how the names of characters in one piece reflect their characters in some form

Like usopp
Uso - liar

Zoro means fox in Spanish and it would make sense that his potential father ushimaru named his son after his favourite pet fox.

Sanji is a 3rd brother among 4
San - 3

Rogers name is roger

Because as I'm sure your aware the term "roger" is one of the most iconic pirate phrases/words in the word if not the most iconic.

And it reflects his notoriety and how famous he is in the one piece world

[modest skiff]

Yeah

I need to sleep but I’ve enjoyed this conversation. I’ll ponder what this could mean for BB since right now that connection is not fully explained. See ya

[fierce sapphire]

well yeah its for all the vinsmokes
ich 1 ichiji
ni 2 niji
san 3 sanji
yon 4 yonji
rei 0 reiju

[pure raven]

Why are you stating the obvious bro

I literally just pointed this out

[fierce sapphire]

yeah just a add up from my side

[pure raven]

One thing I noticed is that oda heavily associates the numbers 6 and 8 with rocks

Well I said this before but in chapter 680 we got revealed to vergo

And 860 we got revealed to kat.

This just my interpretation but having the

Roku(6) come before the hachi(8)
Shows what rocks was before he was a pirate

And the 8(hachi) before the 6(roku)

Shows what he became after a pirate

[prime bluff]

Zoro and oden fighting style are similar

[pure raven]

Lol no one spares any chill

Why are you given Disgust?