manga-theories

[gritty barn]

Is King part of the lunarian race?

[zinc iris]

This very chapter

[pure raven]

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[steel needle]

Yea

[zinc iris]

It's impossible at this point that this is a misdirection

Lunarians are a disappeared ancient race that had fire powers

[crystal quiver]

I love how he repeated the line oda said in the sbs about his passion lol

[zinc iris]

King is of an extinct race and has innate fire powers

[pure raven]

you guys think vegapunk has something to do with King?

[zinc iris]

No

[split hornet]

Tell us which light you want to be extinguished from history this time ! Rip lunarians

[crystal quiver]

Is luffy red hawk/roc done with gear 2 ? Cus that also combusts into flames

[zinc iris]

It's supposed to be friction? Then likely requires g2 for the speed

[fathom matrix]

Looking back, Yamato's ice wolf fruit is also a good metaphorical counter to Kaido's, because I think there are some legends about how winter/the cold are a dragons weakness (that and reptiles are cold blooded and can't survive in the cold)

Since it's the guardian of wano and can use ice, it represents how Yamato's defending wano from kaido.

I like that idea actually

OH, I JUST REALISED!

If Kaido was saving that fruit for maybe an allstar, they would have been called the "ice age" or "blizzard" calamity

[tired osprey]

its not some old legends, youre talking about pokemon lmfao

[fathom matrix]

I thought I recalled some legends talking about, but it might just be only the fact reptiles can't survive in cold climates

[ancient vault]

Thats what we are theorizing

[pastel summit]

to be fair, a lot of pokemon stuff is based on mythological stuff as well lol

[ancient vault]

God Valley = God Lands possibly

[tired osprey]

And dragons are dragons, not reptiles, heck if anything momo and kaido are fish, and there are fish in sub zero temperatures

[tired osprey]

I think their ice weakness comes from dinosaurs and the ice age

[zinc iris]

No

[ancient vault]

Or God lands couldve been sth else idk tbh

[zinc iris]

Dragons are weak to ice because of their reptilian nature

[wraith kindle]

Both the skypieans and kings race have wings, so perhaps the skypieans descended down from the moon and their wing size decreased over the many generations while the lunarians descended much later

[zinc iris]

Skypieans coming from the moon has been confirmed long ago

[waxen dust]

don’t forget Brikans

[zinc iris]

Like the shandians

[fathom matrix]

reptiles aren't warm blooded like humans or other mammals, so they live in hot environments to provide them that body heat.

[wraith kindle]

I meant to say the lunarians descended down too lol

[ancient vault]

I get that a reptilian race is missing but I really dont get the connection between wings fire and reptilians
I also believe more so into my theory that Tamas past DF owner was taming them and using them to take control over Wano.
I do not think that King race were the ones to teach them simply because dragons should be able to fly by themselves. The fire connection so far we dont know why.

I like the idea more that Sun God Nika taught all these races how to manipulate fire

[tired osprey]

yeah, and? we're talking about dragons here no?

[zinc iris]

You mean the word that means snake in greek

[fathom matrix]

And like what Entry said, Dragons are reptilian in nature and they're known to be giant reptiles.

Plus, I get that Kaido's fruit is based off the legend of the coi fish that swam up the river and become a dragon, but that wouldn't mean it's still like a fish, normally coi fish wouldn't survive for 100-1000 and suddently fly out of nowhere and become a giant scaled lizard like creature.

[waxen dust]

Idek you had a theory about Tama’s previous user, I felt someone mentioned to me how CP0 would take note of her DF and chase her. That idea also makes sense, I definitely believe Nika taught them and they came from the moon. So I wonder if they had something to teach Nika?

[ancient vault]

the cp0 part was me

Oli when was the last time we saw Tama

[tired osprey]

we've had one dragon in the cold side of Punk hazard, he was still alive.

Kaido and Momos df are classified as fish, and there are fish living in the ocean around the poles where the ocean gets as cold as −1.8 °C (28.8 °F)

so no, i dont think theyre more weak to ice than anyone else.

[ancient vault]

But those were western dragons

And also artificial dragons

[tired osprey]

adam had a theory that the previous user tamed zunisha with it, and was related to the kozuki or the amatsuki hence it still listened to momo

[ancient vault]

Kaido and Momos df are classified as fish, and there are fish living in the ocean around the poles where the ocean gets as cold as −1.8 °C (28.8 °F)

I dont think thats a good argument tho. There are also fish who die in these temperatures

[supple ivy]

imu being the creator of df or something like that, imu backwards(umi) mean sea,
which is the weakness of the df's and im backwards (mi) means fruit and it also means SEED.
Doffy states that he knows the weapon of marejois so what if the secret is the source to all devil fruits
imu's name also means, to avoid and to refrain from.if we were to join up the different meanings of his name
you can spell quite a few stuff, idk what it could be as i thought of this theory not long ago.
Stuff such as, imu - avoid mi - fruit = a void fruit - which can relate to a fruit that can remove history
or it can make ocean void fruit. which can possibly sink islands ? idk can any else help me with my hypothesis

[tired osprey]

and there are fish that dont. there are also mammals that live in cold enviroments, and mammals that dont.

the points is, the guy is saying kaido is a reptile and thus weak to ice. but he is not a reptile. he is a dragon, from the fish group.

[waxen dust]

hmmmm, didn’t Momotarou use dango to manipulate the animals?

[tired osprey]

no, he recruited them with kibidango

i mean, unless you think that counts as manipulation

[ancient vault]

In monster the dragon was controlled by an item just saying

[waxen dust]

That makes sense in a way, but my only problem is why didn’t the effect wear off once the previous owner died? That part doesn’t sit well especially if Tama isn’t related to Momo

[tired osprey]

its just a theory, was fun to talk about

[vestal plinth]

Regarding the "Zoro is related to Ryuma" thing I read a few times. Couldn't it also be relation in spirit only?
Kuina is directly related to Ryuma and Zoro and her both shared a dream which Zoro inherited after her death, he even uses her sword as his main weapon since then.

[waxen dust]

yeah it’s a good theory, just that loose end is what is bugging me

[supple ivy]

anyone wanna help me with my theory 😦 >< ><><><

[waxen dust]

DFs effects wear off even when the user is unconscious, so dying should definitely negate any forlong abilities

[tired osprey]

in morias case, i dont think they would wear off

[waxen dust]

didn’t they wear off after Luffy ko’d him?

that’s how everyone got their shadows back

[tired osprey]

because moria sucked all the shadows in himself

[waxen dust]

that’s true.., so I guess it’s similar to Law’s DF as well. But then you have Sugar’s fruit whose ability negates as soon as she KO’d

[tired osprey]

yeah

[rustic granite]

I think that Shinobu's power only turned his Dragon form into an adult

Like maybe in his Human form,Momo is still a child

Just that he has changed from his Dragon form

[weary cliff]

We saw a vague panel of Momo's adult body dude

That's what made Shinobu cry

[tough shard]

I was looking forward to seeing Momo all grown up

[mellow basalt]

Nah bro. I predicted this like a bunch of weeks ago, that when she ages him, he will look exactly like Oden bro

[tough shard]

But I didn't see it, only his silhouette

[mellow basalt]

And that's what I'm seeing rn

Like since she's crying about how he looks like

[tough shard]

Oden, right?

[mellow basalt]

That's def the reason

[mellow basalt]

Yeah thats what I'm saying

[tough shard]

Would be cool if he had a beard, but I doubt it

[zinc iris]

I did it first here

And it was with the amatsuki in particular

As zunesha didn't talk to oden

[rustic granite]

Well I just resaw that panel

Turns out that there is a Silhouette of Adult Momo

[mellow basalt]

I thought all paramedic effects go away once they're dead?

[rustic granite]

I guess he looks just like Oden

[mellow basalt]

*paramecia

[zinc iris]

Depends on the specific DF, Moriah's zombies would have still persisted if he just got killed

[weary cliff]

The ope ope surgery is permanent. The rules are that there are no rules

[bitter hamlet]

people with d. in the name are the people who has given a task bring back void century

[loud loom]

Pure speculation, but I think there might be a connection between King’s race’s fire abilities and the fire logia.

This is from the way king reacted to Sanji’s diable jambe, saying king’s race was the only one that can naturally create fire.

Also, it reminds me of the fact that Minks have electricity powers which are yet to be explained, which may have a connection to the lightning Logia. The Minks also have a connection to the moon via the Sulong, although it’s purpose is also unknown

[prisma vault]

What if sabo saw shanks in mariejois and shanks had to be the one to fight/detain sabo so it wouldn't get out that shanks was there freely and of his own will

Shanks sabo duel would be an insane way to introduce shanks fighting skills and style

[bold gull]

so now we know that lunarian lived somewhere on the red line ...germa kingdom crossed the red line at least once at some point while sanji was living there ... maybe they visited the place where lunarian lived and sanji knows something about them?

[midnight thistle]

I have a small theory about Judge, let me know what you guys think. Sanji is half Lunarian, and his mother was a Lunarian, Judge knew it all along thats why judge married Sanjis mother. Only Sanji amongst all of his siblings exhibit (reiju too i think?) human emotion and can inertly create/manipulate fire. Emotion/Passion is important to manipulate fire. The judge realised this as he kept experimenting with his and her wife's DNA, failing repeatedly until he gave Sanji emotions. but as he did not show any signs of fire manipulation ability. Judge put him through harsh physical and psychological conditions to manifest that ability but it never showed up so he decided to lock him behind bars. After repeated attempts, Judge saw him as a failure because he never showed any sign of fire manipulation. Eventually, Sanji escaped and grew up at Baratie. He finally manifested pyrotechnic although imperfect (I think) at Enies lobby under dire conditions during a fight with CP9. After that we saw on many occasions he was manifesting fire when exhibiting extreme passion/emotion. This is why Judge was shocked to see Sanji with fire on his leg standing on the table, saving their ass at the Tea Party of Whole Cake Island. He was surprised to see his experiment was not a failure but a success.

[patent sail]

Whitebeard said the “distant past” and we know the 19 kings moved to Mary Geoise 800 years ago so a lot of Kings race had to be wiped out right there. Unless some of the survivors formed a community in the Red Line where the Vinsmokes stumbled upon which seems unlikely.

[zinc iris]

not everything is derived from dfs, some species just have innate abilities

[split glacier]

Exactly. The giant race isn't because of dfs, sometimes people just built different lol.

[pure raven]

What if Judge was experimenting with devilfruits? I mean, he worked with Vegapunk and as we know Vegapunkt experimented with Devilfruits.
That would explain on the one hand the curly eyebrows and on the other hand how his children got their powers and thirdly this post of Oda in a very old sps:

[worldly anvil]

when was this?

[pure raven]

The sbs?

Volume 45

[worldly anvil]

Thanks

Oda and his foreshadowing lol

[loud loom]

I’m not saying it’s derived from DFs, I’m saying that DFs may be derived from their powers

[coarse hinge]

If y'all think it again. The DF line/pattern looks like Germa's eyebrow.

[pure raven]

And the „66“

[split glacier]

And Oda doesn't just say random things like that for no reason. Possible it's related. The other siblings all have DF type abilities so it makes sense.

[split glacier]

Goda at his best. Foreshadow King lol.

[sharp pebble]

When Kaido sees Momo looking like Oden he might falter for a moment due to the PTSD so Luffy can get a big attack in

[mossy lantern]

Yo what if Sanji and king are related somehow, when Queen was taking about his leg just bursts into flame and stuff I felt like king had a connection to that statement. What if Sanji's mom or something was like part of King's race idk man

[split glacier]

Probably just the experiment Judge did being dormant in Sanji until now. Judge is all about DNA so he probably knew about that race and had a sample from Vegapunk days.

[shy plinth]

SSG SABOOOOO

we gon pull up 2 fight the wg n sabo’s gonna pull a kuma

[night lava]

Ok so zoro being a shimotsuki is basically almost confirmed now with the latest chapter right?

[shy plinth]

ya p much

[night lava]

Damn

What do you think is happening to sanji's body?

[pure raven]

Moon society confirmed to be fire people???

[wind ginkgo]

Do you think Luffy can swim when he covers his body in ryou haki?

[night lava]

Dont think so

[pure raven]

Or perhaps... people of the moon wiped out the people of the sun. COuld that be what Queen is referencing?

[shy plinth]

if the time skip is an inversion of the pre time skip, the big war would be an inversion of Marineford. The brother inversion could be Sabo being in trouble blah blah, but maybe he’s just been converted. It would be a good explanation of why everyone was freaking out at the newspaper. Go to save Kuma, become Kuma. It’s not that far fetched, but just one of the many possibilities.

It’d just be wild to finally see them and it’s like power ranger sabo

[runic rapids]

Imo this was a perfect time to end act 3. Oda definitely has something up his Sleeve

[shy plinth]

And different enough from Ace

[limpid holly]

i think that during the fight against Kaido, Momonosuke and Luffy would communicate via telepathy or at least let Momonosuke's knows what Luffy's next move while fighting thanks to his inherent powers

[autumn bloom]

Kaido will fight Luffy, Marco, Yamato, and Momo based off legend of Momotaro

[sour frost]

why marco tho

[worldly anvil]

The story of Momotaro

Basically a human with a monkey, a dog and a pheasant teamed up to beat a monster of sort

[sour frost]

i understand the the image just not the choice of marco=pheasant

[worldly anvil]

cus they're both birds

[sour frost]

but we have dog=dog, monkey=monkey demon=demon momo=momo then pheasant=phoenix

[worldly anvil]

Honestly monkey for Luffy is also a stretch

[sour frost]

his name is Monkey...

[worldly anvil]

I know but I feels like that too much a stretch imo

[autumn bloom]

Momo is Momotaro tho, that's who he is named after

[sour frost]

thats why momo=momo

[autumn bloom]

And Marco the only bird character. And no Luffy is called a monkey a lot lol, its also his name not a stretch

I read momo = pheasant lmao

Who else would the pheasant be tho? Marco is the most relevant bird character in series and he's here in this arc, still standing. Seems fitting idk

[slate ermine]

Hello guys do you have any information about roche tomson?
he is on the impel down prisoner list when luffy try to escape
also wiki says he is dead i dont get the point isnt he in ohara? while buster call

[tired osprey]

yes! Because of the kozuki emblem!

[zinc iris]

whoa I'm so ahead of the curve

[autumn bloom]

Yeah that would work if Momo wasn't already momotaro

[tired osprey]

we have two momotaros with momo

[zinc iris]

[tired osprey]

tama and momo, tama cant be pheasant so far, but momo could be pheasant

[autumn bloom]

sanji had the flame fruit the whole time wow

[zinc iris]

no he had the invisibility one but didn't take hold

[autumn bloom]

tama isn't joining the fight lmao

[sour frost]

imagine tho

[slate ermine]

i think his dna same as king its not fruit

[autumn bloom]

yeah i know its not fruit, but same dna as King?

[slate ermine]

he conjur fire

[autumn bloom]

Well, they did bring up fact that his legs on fire doesn't make sense

[zinc iris]

here's the other part

[sour frost]

lunarian dna you mean

[autumn bloom]

it does seem weird that was brought up for no reason

Lunarian dna is actually a good point and answers the age old question of how tf sanji puts his legs on fire

[zinc iris]

Judge planned Sanji to become Stealth Black, so he wanted to edit his dna to give him black coloring and the invisibility power

[slate ermine]

did you guys hear anything about roche tomson?

[zinc iris]

but this edit didn't happen because of Sora, and he's yellow because that's the natural color of his family (both judge and sora are blonde)

[tired osprey]

thats just someone from the impel down list right? just a random name

[slate ermine]

no if u searc he might be scholar from ohara

there was a guy named roche?
everyone joking about pandaman but that roche name kinda sus to me

[sour frost]

why because he could possibly read poneglyphs like robin?

[slate ermine]

yep and he was impel down

might be blackbeard take him

[sour frost]

Makes sense

[pure raven]

Oh Im sorry. I didn’t see that

[zinc iris]

well it was a long ago

but it's funny to see today so many people to bring out theories I called a long ago

tho my crown jewel confirmed today that i predictred more than a year ago, kuina is indeed ryuma's direct descendant

[slate ermine]

i do like to see her as numer 2 of revolution army

[tired osprey]

someones ego is getting a little bit too big

[zinc iris]

let me have this one

[tired osprey]

🙏

i can... relate tbh
lmao

[fathom matrix]

So, who thinks Sanji's raid suit is slowly modifying him, to make him get used to it?

cause he felt weird, not bad or was in pain, and Sanji might be getting an upgrade some time soon, and he's fighting a cyborg, so do you think that because Sanji's not modified like his siblings, the suit's not that used to him, so it's slightly altering him each time for them to sync?

[fringe tide]

Yeah i think his suit is reawakening some of his dormant enhanced genes

[sour frost]

Exoskeleton incoming

[pure raven]

I've been thinking about pheasant, because I don't like the idea of Marco being the pheasant at all. For that, I have to elaborate a bit
As we know from the Gorosei, there is an alliance between AoKiji and BB.
The BB crew fled from the CP0 in Baltigo.
Baltigo, as a base of the revolutionaries, was not known for a very long time. So why now?
What if AoKiji is playing a double game and is actually an agent of the CP0? The CP0 are in Wano and possibly AoKiji aswell

[sour frost]

Kuzan is a clear choice for pheasant but id rather it be marco imo. He has no leg in the race

[autumn bloom]

Kuzan being one of the CP0 would be hype

[fathom matrix]

I think the pheasant is just = bird and since marco's a pheonix which = bird, he's just filling in the bird slot

[autumn bloom]

and it makes more sense than a phoneix, but I feel like his introduction would have to be soon

[sour frost]

The name blue pheasant is his admiral name.

[mighty cairn]

I don't think he'd be part of CP0 unless he's a plant

[fathom matrix]

how do yall feel on the plant zoan theory?

[hidden oxide]

I'm not sure if I like this too much though. I don't really like having him use the raid suit either

[mighty cairn]

He doesn't seem like the type to defend celestial dragons

[pine delta]

why tf would aokiji become part of cp0

[hidden oxide]

It'd be cool, definitely possible imo

[pine delta]

im sold on the story of momonosuke theory, because its neat and makes sense and honestly just slides right in to what we have, but oda is gonna make it work somehow. theres no need to force things that make no sense just because of the 3 animals

[hidden oxide]

where can I read about that one?

[sour frost]

about what?

[hidden oxide]

the story of momonosuke theory

[tired osprey]

wikipedia

[pine delta]

marco is kinda out of the fight rn, would be odd to just have him outpreform everyone there when its supposed to be the "straw hat moment". (MKK? lol). Yamato seems like the dog, maybe kuzan is the lurking legend and he appears? But then, kinda an asspull to make him appear literally out of nowhere. really have no idea about the pheasant but im sure itll make sense. isnt the kozuki crest kinda a pheasnat

[sour frost]

its the legend of momotaro

the story of a boy who defeated the demons with the help of his beast pals. a dog, monkey, and pheasant.

[pine delta]

i thought about maybe its hiyori as the kozuki pheasant appearing

[hidden oxide]

thanks

[pine delta]

(is that his sisters name?) but then it would be a bit odd to have a duo in brother/sister and luffy and yamato who arent really a duo yet. also hiyori isn't a fighter unless denjiro has been secretly training her which would be sick (more female strong characters yay)

[pure raven]

Very possible. I hadn’t even thought about that

[pine delta]

aokiji literally using a move called pheasant is pretty damning tho. As well as marco being pheasant like and being right there. Pell is only just a bird and is a meme answer. i don't think oda would have a suprise random character show up unless its to end act 3 and tie in to reverie

Only way a new character shows up to onigashima rn is:
Kuma launching them from the reverie
Descending from the moon (Hey enel! This is pretty unlikely unless it has a major lore dump)
It's someone we've already seen whos been inactive (literally just cp0, also potentially big mom pirates but how tf are they getting into the sky)

[hidden oxide]

Isn't aokiji's official translation literally "blue pheasant"?

[sour frost]

yes

[pine delta]

thats as accurate a theory as we can get tbh. i think its very improbable wano abandons the 5 act structure, and at this point the only thing i can see closing an act is luffy arriving to kaido or a major new player appearing. guessing more specifics is impossible with odas imagination against us

[sour frost]

ao blue, kiji pheasant

but he is no longer the blue pheasant

[hidden oxide]

yeah just pointing out that he has a stronger connection to "pheasant" than just his move

[sour frost]

he is now frozone

[pine delta]

i mean luffy isn't connected with his parents at all but he''s still a "monkey"
Him having a title in the past means its with him forever

[hidden oxide]

still don't think he'll appear in Wano though

[sour frost]

nor do I, he's just not involved enough to be part of the big fight

[pine delta]

tbh,

With oda naming the 3 admirals after the momotaro story i think that mightve been himself prepping a potential usage of them in the future. or he just had an idea for the 3 of them to have a cool name.

[hidden oxide]

I do hope we see what he's been up to lately, he's one of my fav characters

[pine delta]

would be odd to reuse the pheasant for two seperate momotaro trios.

at this point oda has been setting up a lot of chess pieces for the new world. soon they're all gonna start interlocking

[hidden oxide]

true, it makes more sense for the wano pheasant to be someone else

I don't think it'd be completely out of the question either, although it is unlikely

[pine delta]

tbh, wano has enough wildcards that barring that theory i have no idea what else could happen. too many possibilities

[sour frost]

Chinese/golden pheasants are also known as "fire phoenix" or "red phoenix"

[hollow tartan]

Ryuma is the father of Zoro

[supple nimbus]

No.....Zoro would be mad old then. He's 21.....

[pure raven]

hey guys can we discuss the 1023 scans that lauched here? or it is only in spoilers?

[visual merlin]

you can discuss chapter 1023 in here and #manga + #also-manga

if you have a theory this is the place to put it, but if you just want to talk about the chapter you should head to one of the other two

[opaque pivot]

So who does momo look like?

[visual merlin]

oden probably

[sand sail]

Literally the only person Shinobu would be bawling her eyes out to see, I imagine

[bitter kraken]

Amazing chapter

Imagine if zoro is from the void century too, and toki had sent him into the future but he lost his memories of it or it was done when he was a baby

[zinc iris]

Looks like Toki

[short musk]

Zoro is Lost in Time

[zinc iris]

No it's just that he got trained by shimotsuki koshiro and kuina who are descendants of Ryuma so he learned his style

[junior cape]

Oh no, not again...

[short musk]

Definitely Oden, it's to poetic to be anything else.

[opaque pivot]

Just thought that might be too boring

[sour frost]

kaido

i predicted toki x kaido 10 years ago

[short musk]

I'm concocting a semi baseless theory that Dragon is actually the Son of Xebec, based off physical resemblance. And that Garp looked after him once he was orphaned. Dragon fell in love with Garps yet to be mentioned daughter and took the Monkey name to Honor Garp.

My brain skipped while typing that

[pure raven]

i think zoro is shimotsuki ushimaro son... this last chapter 1023 talking about his similarities to him and to ryuma... Also i was thinking about if Shimotsuki ushimaro is connected to admiral green bull... ushimaro appears using a cloak with bulls on it

[zinc iris]

Same energy of Luffy being Roger's son

Fortunately one piece didn't do that

[short musk]

Roger knew Garp would watch after Ace, because he already saw him do it for Dragon

[pure raven]

but I dont like the path oda is constructing here... sanji genetics being his main origin of power, if zoro is he son, would be a kind of heritage too... luffy has his father already that is a monster... but we dont know yet about the full lenght of his powers (also those theories thats the monkeys are descendent of nika god himself) i personally hope we not taking this path

[pure raven]

hope so

[zinc iris]

Zoro took Ryuma's mantle

But like any other is inheritance in will rather than blood

[pure raven]

same

i would preffer to sanjis powers being built on zeff

[zinc iris]

Well his style is his style

[pure raven]

thats true

[junior cape]

Based and Zeff-pilled

[pure raven]

what u thinking about that one eyed samurai stuff oda bringing it on now? is it something related to power or just a meaningless coincidence with ryuma?

[silk rain]

Bc of this did they confirm roger/luffy inherited joyboy, rayleigh/zoro inherited ryuma, but we dont know sanji/gaban yet, thats just my thoughts

[sour frost]

But we don't know when rocks died, why would he have garp raise him. god valley occurred 38 years ago and dragon is 53.

[zinc iris]

Don't map stuff 1-1

Rayleigh was not after Ryuma, and did not lose his eye

[pure raven]

thats possible...

but feels odd

[silk rain]

oh yeah i worded it bad, but thats my main theory about inherited will

[zinc iris]

Also Ryuma is not related to the overarching myth, he was the best swordsman ever existed

[pure raven]

dont know man... that feels repetitive in a narrative perspective (roger already giving ace and xebec also giving his son), tho sounds cool lol

[short musk]

Fair, even if Garp didn't watch Him I still think Dragons resemblance to what we've seen of Xebec indicates a relationship. If not an adopted orphan than adopted via mukoyōshi. I'm still betting ong Garp having a daughter (who is Luffys mom) and that being the reason Dragon is in full rebellion and Grap has no cares for the CD, they did something to her.

mukoyōshi is When the male in the relationship takes on the brides family name.

[sour frost]

they do look similar

[short musk]

I just binged One Piece over the course of a month and a half so I've got all sorts of crazy ideas right now sorry. Hahaha

[sour frost]

and the cd doing something to luffy's mom/dragon's wife/garp's daughter is interesting

dragon taking on her family name to hide his past, rocks d. dragon

[short musk]

Yes

[sour frost]

I'm curious about his tattoo as well, perhaps it was a branding from the celestials relating to this event

[pine delta]

if garp's daughter was hurt by the CD he would not remain a marine

he would probably just kill them all

[pure raven]

i would say its something related to shandians or Ancient kingdom culture

[short musk]

Or plot to. Waiting for Dragon to make a move.

[pure raven]

i would love to see garp being the leader of sword organization

[short musk]

There's a big theory on Reddit about his tattoo being related to Quetzalcoatl. And how he might have the Quetzalcoatl mythical zoan. The theory is really convincing.

[pure raven]

that would justify better why he didnt take act

during marineford

for me feels odd that a hero that could go head to head with gold roger... so maybe Garp has to have that conquerors haki mix with armament (it would be coherent)... would be stopped by sengoku while seeing his stepgrandson die

he could be holding himself cus if he took act every single plan from sword would end there

[short musk]

Likely has to do with Imu

[sour frost]

intresting just read up on it.

[short musk]

Have to cut the head off the snake

Or it will amount to nothing

[surreal oriole]

Any new theorys that the shaded figure who saved the scabbards being Zoro's dad sent through time?

[sour frost]

the earlobe person?

[surreal oriole]

Yeah.. are those confirmed earlobes?

[pure raven]

we have a sculpture of this creature on akypea arc right? was it in shandora?

[sour frost]

looks like

[short musk]

Yes

[sour frost]

wouldnt it be Fukurokuju? Orochi's attendent

[surreal oriole]

Hrm that's possible, idk if just hit me that its possibly zoros dad

[sour frost]

I dont know people think its enel lol

[surreal oriole]

Kawamatsu reacted like it was someone he thought dead. At least that's how I interpreted it.

[surreal oriole]

Lol apart of me hopes its Enel aswell

[short musk]

Wait I'm missing this thing. What chapter?

[sour frost]

1004 at the end

after kadio rekt the scabs and they fell of the roof. A shadowed figure healed them.

[fast wyvern]

Why momo to 28year old and not luffy,forward to age 40 luffy,one punch kaido

[short musk]

Too much lip and the nose isn't sharp enough

[pure raven]

seems like hiyori for me

thats her hair

[silk rain]

Yo you can get a role in #old-role-info to post pictures, i think you only need the roles at the first message of the channel

[surreal oriole]

Yeah it could be hiyori but the figure looked male to me and kawamatsu reaction I think would of been different if it was hiyori. He was surprised, I would assume he would just be concerned if it was hiyori

[sour frost]

ty

[surreal oriole]

Hrm, idk now it looks like it could be male or female. Them thick lips

[supple ivy]

imu being the creator of df or something like that, imu backwards(umi) mean sea,
which is the weakness of the df's and im backwards (mi) means fruit and it also means SEED.
Doffy states that he knows the weapon of marejois so what if the secret is the source to all devil fruits
imu's name also means, to avoid and to refrain from.if we were to join up the different meanings of his name
you can spell quite a few stuff, idk what it could be as i thought of this theory not long ago.
Stuff such as, imu - avoid mi - fruit = a void fruit - which can relate to a fruit that can remove history
or it can make ocean void fruit. which can possibly sink islands ? idk can any else help me with my hypothesis

[golden stump]

Do yall think momo has the same fire breath ability like kaido?

Especially in his adult form now

[surreal oriole]

Yeah for sure, does he know how tho? Idk

[light onyx]

Pretty useless if you are doing a full transformation but if you use plant defences like releasing chemicals or your arm becoming a fly trap ig it’s interesting

[pure raven]

yes

[surreal oriole]

Idk if you could instantly grow plants, that would seem rather powerful imo

[light onyx]

Like shoot out seeds ? And grow them and attack for you ?

[fathom matrix]

There's a non canon fruit for that.

[light onyx]

Oh right film z

[surreal oriole]

Like plants can tear down a building over a long period of time. But if you could make it instant

[surreal oriole]

Oh yeah lol

[fathom matrix]

TBH I probably see there being a paramecia that can grow plants from the body and generate any kind becoming a plant man

[light onyx]

I mean we already have ussop

[fathom matrix]

True, but that's limited ammunition and he probably can't make any plant he wants

[light onyx]

Fair but what if he grows them

[fathom matrix]

Back at the ship he does, sure, but if he loses his bag and sling shot...yaknow

[light onyx]

Fair

[fathom matrix]

Looking back, I see there being a plant paramecia or a tree logia

[pine delta]

popgreens are basically that alreday

[surreal oriole]

When are the straw hats going to find a devil fruit? The end of this arc maybe? And who's the best candidate? Usopp maybe? I could see him getting a devil fruit along as it keeps with the theme of him being a sniper

[short musk]

It's toki

[surreal oriole]

Oh man I hope so

[short musk]

Big nose thick lips shallow chin

And dangling hair that everyone wants to be a long earlobe

The figure is also crying and if they weren't personally invested I doubt they would be

[surreal oriole]

Yeah it looks super similar. But hiyori is her daughter so it could also be her. Again I don't think kawamatsu's reaction would of been what it was if it was Hiyori

[short musk]

Those white circles fall straight from where eyes should be so I'm certain they're tears.

[surreal oriole]

Yeah definitely tears, you are convincing me that its probably toki. I want it to be Zoros dad but I guess that is wishful thinking lol

[short musk]

I mean, Zoro's dad is kind of a shot in the dark. Where does that come from?

[pure raven]

Some people think it's enel

[fathom matrix]

people thought it was Enel, but TBH, why would Enel come down from the moon and help a bunch of nobodies and bugger off?

[short musk]

Facial structure that were given matches Toki too much for me to believe anything else. Enel wouldn't cry over these guys either.

[fathom matrix]

yeah but Hiyori and a lot of female one piece characters have the same facial structure

[errant nova]

Is that from the oden flashback?

[short musk]

Yes

[short musk]

Look at them lips though and the distance of the chin to the mouth, nose and nostril placement

[fathom matrix]

Hiyori and toki look identical, and Toki's dead, plus almost everyone in Wano's coming back together to help, so why wouldn't Hyori pop up too?

[short musk]

Toki got shot, did we see her actually dead?

[surreal oriole]

Mainly kawamatsu's reaction paired with the info from the latest chapter. I'm assuming that the figure was someone he thought was dead. At least that's how I interpreted his line.

Feels like we are going to get some more Zoro backstory this arc and that would be a way to bring it to the front of the story.if it was zoros dad. But now I think its probably toki

[fathom matrix]

I think Orochi would have made reference to "I HAVE ODIN'S BODY, BUT LADY TOKI IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN!" I think with the face she was shouting in the streets, she got shot, people were looking, and we haven't seen hiyori at onigeshima yet, toki's dead, and it's hiyori, that also looks like her mom

[short musk]

That's all were shown regarding her death. She could have popped herself I to the future shortly after being shot

[fathom matrix]

implying she fell on the floor after she got shot.

Plus, don't you think they would have retrieved a dead body and got scared that it disappeared?

Plus, if we talk about manga colour, Hiyori's hair is also depicted as black in manga, has the same eyes, the same lengths of hair on the sides, and seems to have the same nose.

[tired osprey]

it was never retrieved, no grave 👀

[compact glade]

I feel like that's a bit too specific

[tired osprey]

the shadow def looks like toki the most, no question about it, but... at this point i think its just hiyori since she has been missing for so long.

[fathom matrix]

why wouldn't they retrieve her body? Orochi only made reference to the Samurai's bodies that he couldn't find, and not "SHOW ME THE SAMURAI AND KOSUKI'S BONES".

[surreal oriole]

I mean toki has to come back in some way. There is too many unanswered questions surrounding her

[tired osprey]

they didnt, because she doesnt have a grave, it was more easy to be certain momo and the scabbards perished in the castle burning down, because that wouldnt leave any trace of their bodies. but for toki? her corpse would just be charred from that fire, yet no one bothered to put it into a grave... why? because they werent sure she actually died 👀
just playing devils advocate, i think she is dead, but i dont think its impossible for her to be alive either

[short musk]

We saw Orochi fall the the floor decapitated.

[fathom matrix]

This is Toki we're talking about and it was out of view, so he added "thump" to say she fell

[tired osprey]

what if toki touched the bullets and send it to future before it hit her

[short musk]

Most people would fall to the ground after getting shot. I don't think a thump sound should or ever could be the end all be all in defining someone's death.

[fathom matrix]

we saw orochi in view getting his head cut off and falling

[short musk]

But, Orochi is alive

[fathom matrix]

yeah, because he has a mythical zoan

[short musk]

My point is that she could be alive and you don't yet know the circumstances surrounding her survival.

An off scene thump is hard evidence of a death.

[surreal oriole]

Yeah its possible, seems people are in 2 camps. Its hiyori or toki. God I hope its Enel lolol

[short musk]

Enel ain't got lips and his jaw structure is much longer.

[fathom matrix]

Fair, but I feel like because she has a time fruit and because of that panel, people just want it to be Toki. I get it and I can see why, and we don't know.

I just don't see too many reasons why Toki has to come back. If anything, and again, I feel like people have forgotten about Hiyori playing her part, because she buggered off to not be seen by Momonosuke, until the time was right.

And again, I think she's accepted her fate, after getting shot with arrows and a gun, she died, and there was no reference to her body or her disappearing.

[cyan berry]

yeah there were a few people who've seen her die

[surreal oriole]

I don't think its Enel I just know people do and I love Enel and look forward to how he is going to be reinserted into the story. Will probably happen closer to end I would assume

[cyan berry]

we also see the SFX for her body hitting the ground after her speech

[bitter kraken]

Hiyori is legit fodder tho, her combat ability is non existent she would be just a burden to the scabs and everyone else in the war

[cyan berry]

Enel is probably not coming back

Dude already reached his dream

he has 0 reason to come back down to earth

much less the blue sea

[bitter kraken]

Enel could be like hmmm I think I’ll rule over that blue planet 🌎

[cyan berry]

why would he

he already has full reign of the moon

all the vearth he could dream of

[surreal oriole]

I think we will have a space related arc or something is going to happen with the moon or moons

[fathom matrix]

If anything, Enel may never come back, he might just stick on his ship, looking down, eating snacks, and watching the final war, thinking it's fun.

OR I see him coming back, not wanting a fight, showing off his ego, saying "I am above petty revenge" shows off all that's he's learned, maybe asks for something in return or a favour for all the info, and buggers off.

[split stone]

I have a theory that we'll have a break in 2 weeks 😔

[short musk]

Ok STREEAAAATCH TIME

[cyan berry]

enel understood nothing from the ruins on the moon

and there is no one up there that will help him learn

[short musk]

Enels coming back because we're gonna find out that the moon itself is Uranus

[fathom matrix]

true, but it's been 2 years, at best he could at least show off some stuff he's found and be like "what do you make of this?

[short musk]

We've seen talks of a flood, can't remember where and then we have Noah, what's it's purpose?

[fathom matrix]

If he comes back, maybe Robin could try and uncover what it means. Hell, maybe it's beyond HER understanding, but she tries her best

[cyan berry]

why would he even do that in the first place

and how come he'll just reappear in front of the strawhats again if he does that?

[short musk]

How can you flood a water world?

[cyan berry]

the entire world is available to him yet he just goes to where the strawhats are by complete accident?

[surreal oriole]

He might decend with a massive automata army. Or we are going to go to him

[modest skiff]

One of my theories is that the CDs control the water level of the planet and that they could wipe the world clean if they wanted to, since they live on the red line.

[short musk]

We have Poseidon for the sea, Pluton which can level the earth, and Uranus for the sky. I think someone can somehow control the moon. Bring it closer to the planet and cause devastating tidal waves that can wash everything away. That's why Noah exists, to survive such an ordeal. I think the moon itself is the Ancient Weapon Uranus.

[fathom matrix]

That's a fair point and there does have to be a specific reason. Best one I can come up with at the moment, is it's accidental or if the theory of the strawhats going to the moon comes true, they encounter Enel, he wants nothing to do with them, but realising or remembering Robin as an archeologist or something, or recalls her poking her nose into stuff, he asks or shows her something out of curisiosity, she's amazed or puzzled as to what she sees.

That's a rough idea, and there are issues, but that's at least one scenario

[short musk]

But that's a big boy stretch of a theory

[modest skiff]

I still think Uranus is the bird on the Kozuki crest, I’ll post my theory here later

[pine delta]

giant elephant, giant bird, giant whale (?)

[cyan berry]

i highly, HIGHLY, doubt that Enel would just engage in friendly conversation with the strawhats especially after the royal ass kicking he recieved in Skypiea

[short musk]

This is almost Breath of the Wild

[pine delta]

man what i would give for one piece in the same style as botw

[surreal oriole]

Related to the egg on Roger's ship?

[short musk]

Plot twist, it's not a crane but a GIGANTIC SEAGULL and Marine co-conspirator.

[surreal oriole]

@modest skiff giving me nothing lol fine I'll wait

[split stone]

What if the egg in Roger's ship was actually the egg that gave birth to King

🤯

[modest skiff]

I’m on a hike, will check back later

[bitter kraken]

Sanji saying his body feels different could be because the raid suit activated his augmentations, since queen mentioned that judges kids are augmented and sanji says he’s a normal human. Sanji power up comin up for sure

[surreal oriole]

Yeah that's what I think aswell, his raid suit is turning his dormant augmentations on

[fathom matrix]

I would find it funny if the Egg was a red herring/a troll by Oda, and he says "the egg? Oh that's just a decorative piece they picked up on one of their adventures"

Cause it's possible. It could be just a big ass egg they randomly picked up one day and it serves no purpose

[short musk]

Hahaha, things in one piece that serve no purpose.

[split glacier]

Everything serves a purpose in One Piece. Just wait 20 years.

[hollow grotto]

A bit of a crazy headcanon but the Lunarian race being brought up might play some relevance in this since it was mentioned at the same time Sanji 'felt weird' about his body. It's been said a few times now already but Judge was from MADS, so he may have experimented and modified lunarian into Sanji's gene pool. Could just be reading between the lines a bit too much ofc but there's always room for thought. Issues with this idea though.

[short musk]

I think this is the case. I think King being a Lunarian is purely a plot device for the introduction to Sanjis power up.

[hollow grotto]

I'm not sold on the idea here but thought it might be worth discussing

since the timing just felt a little odd, having Queen from MADs, talk about the Lunarian race at the same time Sanji's body feels weird, and Queen directly mentioning this

[short musk]

Oda doesn't deal in coincidence. They're related.

[hollow grotto]

I guess one 'parallel' you could argue about the Lunarian DNA theory is that Sanji and Momo both might have powers that were seen as failures at first that then awoke and actually worked. Judge saw Sanji as a failure for not being genetically augmentated like his brothers and sister and Vegapunk deemed his fruit a failure, coincidentally both from MADs. Momo becomes a giant dragon, Sanji awakens his 'Lunarian' DNA code. It also helps that Queen is from MADs too and is the one to mention the possibility. Not sold on it, for sure, but it's a fun idea.

[short musk]

Another Stretch, Luffy already ate a Devil fruit before the Gomu Gomu no Mi, hence his inability to swim. What ever it was has some obscure ability. This is why Shanks freaked the f out, because Luffy didn't die. Also why he sacrificed his arm and bet on him for the future. Because he recognized that Luffy was truly special.

[pure raven]

Does any one think that the cover page is foreshadowing what the current situation of vivi is? How she has her arms up like chained up pinned to a wall,the bird being the chains and the tree branches telling us she is hanging on something? No..just me? Ok

[queen arrow]

the coverpage is a reader request

[pure raven]

Oh I’m dumb

[vale arrow]

Hm idk about this one if that’s as the case I think the anime would’ve made sure to let us know he couldn’t swim instead of him saying he’s a good swimmer

Just my thought at least

[short musk]

Hmmm, the manga makes it clear he can't swim. Shanks makes fun of him for it.

[vale arrow]

Yeah but it’s something the anime said he was a good swimmer if i remember correctly. I would think the anime would let us know and make it right if that was the case tho

[short musk]

That's strange. It was one of Shanks arguing points as to why he wouldn't let him join.

[lost spoke]

You're right I remember that too

[vale arrow]

Yeah I would think the anime would make a point to get that across

[fathom matrix]

I do find the name "Lunarian" strange, as you'd expect a fire race to be named after the sun, BUT there's an explaination where they come from the moon or their powers originate from the moon.

[lost spoke]

Don't devil fruit users get an innate understand of their fruit when they eat it? Or is that just head canon?

[opal sparrow]

Tobi roppo bounties are 400 mill-900 mill

Considering apoo whos bounty is 350

[fathom matrix]

I think most of them understand the name straight away or when they come to realise it, and then their abilities.

I think it takes a while for it to sink and for them to realise

[lost spoke]

I agree with you, there has to be some "break in period" by the way Luffy didn't know until his arm stretch but early One Piece is also hard to pick at and use for the rest of the series

[fathom matrix]

yeah, plus Luffy didn't take 1 bite, get stunned and go "ah shit, I ate the gum gum fruit"

[short musk]

Ace ate his fruit, caught fire and freaked out

[modest skiff]

Mohdoo's Janky Uranus Theory

Tagging people I discussed this with previously since I said I'd tell them when I'm "done".
@waxen dust @sand sail @surreal oriole @ancient vault

Getting right down to it, I think Uranus is the bird on the Kozuki flag. I think Uranus is a phoenix which can rebirth. I think the egg on Roger’s ship was not Uranus but instead Uranus’s offspring. Unlike standard phoenix mythology, I don’t think Uranus turns itself into an egg but rather lays an egg and eventually tends to it. I think that when Uranus is close to death, they wrap their wings around the egg and do something which essentially sparks it to life, extinguishing their own life. A process similar to Enma draining Zoro’s haki/life-force. I think that when Uranus realizes the egg is getting close to being done, Uranus basically wraps the egg with itself, activates some kinda ending process and hatches the egg.

I think Uranus has control over all aspects of weather, up to and including magnetism. I think that Uranus was used in specific instances to create unique weather situations that ended up protecting various kingdoms. I think Wano’s extremely unique ability to uptake water and use it as a waterfall, while also being surrounded by a bunch of whirlpools, is all the doing of Uranus.

I think that Momo is able to control both Uranus and Zunesha and perhaps other creatures. I think it has something to do with VOAT and I think it is possible Luffy/Roger could have the same capability in some lesser way that doesn't work. I think it is possible that there is some other component to VOAT that allows people to communicate with.

The following section is total shot in the dark bullshit that I think is just a fun experiment: I think Uranus defended Roger’s crew from Shiki’s fleet. But I don’t think Uranus was particularly loyal to Roger at all. I think Uranus was kind of sort of invested in Roger being alive. How did that happen? I think that somewhere on Roger’s adventures around the world, he happened upon the nest of Uranus. I think that Uranus left the nest at some point to go grab some food or something, some monster or pirate or something tried to raid the nest, Roger noticed and said “hey stop messing with that bird’s nest!” and conveyed the emotions/thoughts of defending this egg. I think Uranus was like “OH CRAP, MY NEST, AND WAIT, WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY WHO I HEAR?? IS THAT MY MASTER??”, so then Uranus quickly flew back to defend her nest. When she got there, Roger had beat the living shit out of someone who was messing with the nest. But Uranus could also tell that Roger wasn’t “the one”, Roger could just hear Uranus/Egg due to VOAT. But Uranus also is an asshole and didn’t actually like Roger that much, but they let Roger look after their egg. So Uranus would stay in the clouds and basically follow Roger around while Roger looked over the egg. Since Uranus was old and shitty (nearing the point of the egg hatching, so Uranus is like 900 years old and getting near end of life), Uranus was comfortable with Roger watching over the egg because he was clearly insanely buff and powerful.

So Uranus kind of liked Roger and appreciated Roger, but Uranus knew that Roger was not Uranus’s (actual) master. I think that the Kozuki clan has control over Zunesha and Uranus and perhaps someone else. I think that Uranus is like other birds that means it is a huge asshole to anyone other than their master. So when Roger encountered Shiki, Uranus was like “lol you dummy, here, I’ll protect my egg, but I am doing the MINIMUM necessary to move this along. I am going to tell Roger that I am helping a little but he needs to get his ass out of here. He is NOT my master...he just watches my baby”.

So I think Uranus is ultimately going to be controlled by Momo the same way that Zunesha is. I think the egg is future Uranus, not current Uranus. Its possible the egg already hatched and waiting for Momo to call for them.

Slight elaboration: I think its possible that Momo will say something along the lines of "Die, Kaido" and if enough emotion is attached to it, Uranus will basically fly down from the clouds, guns blasting and just rip the place apart. I think that Uranus is essentially waiting to be summoned in the clouds. It will be the same thing as how Zunesha was like "OH SHIT HERE WE GO, YES KING"

[vestal orbit]

prolly not the way you intended it but i read that last line in the "yaass queen" voice

[modest skiff]

I did intend for that

[vestal orbit]

o

[ancient vault]

lmaaaoo

[fast hollow]

Not so promising theory

[modest skiff]

yeah its all i got though so figured may as well share it since I've been chatting with people about it

[fast hollow]

But you did it well

Mr. Luffytaro is getting a new weapon for better use of coc coating like other coc users did

[proud tree]

Everytime a whale is shown in the story, there are hints to the One Piece. Examples: The whale where the mink poneglyph is hidden inside... there is a whale fountain in orange town, where Buggy mentions shanks... Laboon, Crocus talks to Roger that Luffy has some aura around him....

[ancient vault]

Nice idea but I dont believe thats gonna happen. I also dont want Uranus to be the same "command" thing as poseidon.

[modest skiff]

Thanks! Yeah, I can appreciate that. The fact that Momo already showed some type of command thing is part of what makes me think we're not done with that. But it doesn't seem like whatever helped Roger was totally loyal to him because it was an incomplete victory. A bird that kind of gives a shit but not really seemed like the best fit

[weak plaza]

What if the “D” meaning is Demi God or Demi human ?

Just random theory

[proud tree]

Why do all theories even assume that it has an english meaning? I mean one piece is written in japanese?

[weak plaza]

You seriously didn’t get the point -_-

Each word had the same and similarities in each language. Just called differently

[vestal orbit]

eh, one piece is wan pisu in japanese and laugh tale is raftel

the will of d probably has an english meaning as well

[modest skiff]

I mean it is the letter D. I get what you mean, and perhaps it is good to focus on something that has the sound "dee" in it. But I don't think we need to completely ignore English

[silk rain]

I like the theory, I always thought the bird was a crane or a pheonix, but i've always kind of sided with the pheonix idea cus its cooler

But it would be a crane when looking at it in the theme of wano

[weak plaza]

If The “D” meaning truly is Demi-Human. Then those who had this “D” are destiny to be the rival of god.

Like in our latest chapter God (God Land) exist in one piece

[modest skiff]

Thanks, @silk rain ! Yeah, I am totally open to it being some other type of bird. Since Zeus is a cloud and not the king of gods, there is certainly room for deviation. It could be a crane that has all the properties of a phoenix. Or something similar

[proud tree]

I agree that this egg needs an explenation... and in important one at that, bcs the pirate king himself guarded that egg

[weak plaza]

Devil fruit user = Demon
Demi-Human (D) + Devil Fruit = Demi-Demon

It’s fun thinking up random theory lol
Might come true. Who know ?

[true tusk]

does that mean u need a df to be D.

[modest skiff]

I think this theory is supported by the fact that Wano just knows devil fruit users as magic users. They don't attach devil or demon or anything to it. No curse or anything. They just think of it as some people have powers

[true tusk]

cause i don’t think jaguar d. saul had a df

[modest skiff]

I think the negative connotation associated with devil fruits was put there by the CDs or WG

[weak plaza]

No, that’s not it. Read my previous chat on top

[true tusk]

okok

i see

could make sense for sure

[weak plaza]

And celestial dragon was send by the god to earth ? And for what purpose?

[true tusk]

i think the celestial dragons know about the god, and they cling to the power

[weak plaza]

This latest chapter make me think a few question 😆

[weak plaza]

Yea I think so

[true tusk]

momonosuke looks so good

[fast hollow]

Momo is momos

I like steam momos

[fathom matrix]

U think Momo has long hair, or do you think it's the exact same hair style he had as a kid?

[true tusk]

maybe it won’t be tied up

[weak plaza]

Celestial dragon might be send down to earth to eliminating those devil fruit user. And celestial order his minions to do the work.
That’s why I think devil fruit user is = demon

And Luffy who had D name since birth generation is mark with D might be D = Demi-Human
And Plus Devil fruit turn into Demi-Demon a great rival of the god

Lol fun fun. Don’t take this serious. Let’s enjoy theory

[true tusk]

it’s a cool theory

[fast hollow]

Uranus is the source of all df

[true tusk]

wait a second that actually makes sense, like the story of the birth of aphrodite

[weak plaza]

Yea. Ikr

[weak plaza]

His face might look like his father.
That’s why the ninja girl cry

[true tusk]

for those who aren’t familiar after uranus (god of the sky) was killed by his sons his blood fell to the sea and out of it birthed the goddess of love aphrodite

[fathom matrix]

if I recall, weren't the celestial dragons the 20 royal families that helped established the WG, and they used to own lands like Dressrosa, but new kings and queen took over?

Cause the royals of alabasta went back to rule it and the Doflamigo family used to rule Dressrosa.

[weak plaza]

Oden really didn’t die.
He live on, that’s the new generation by his flesh and blood. His son. Also daughter.

[true tusk]

ur def on to something

[weak plaza]

Kill by Zeus right ?
It’s in Christian story.

[true tusk]

actually killed by zeus dad kronos

[weak plaza]

Ahh… and Zeus kill Kronos

[true tusk]

yes

[fathom matrix]

I could see Uranos being a devil fruit perhaps.

I don't see it being the source of all devil fruits, but maybe an extremely powerful one

[weak plaza]

That’s why I think One Piece is world history in it

[true tusk]

maybe uranus was a devil to at ruled during the void century and he was killed and from his blood the devil fruits emerged

[devout apex]

Can't really attach files, but I'm currently reading through skypeia and in chapter 241 on the first page enel's location is called the "God Land"

Subsequently, in chapter 1023 marco mentions "God Land" above the red line. So i was wondering if these two are connected

[weak plaza]

Oda being Lowkey leading us to enjoy history of the land and sea and also mysterious of the unspoken history and myth :3

[true tusk]

he loves taking inspiration from western mythology so it would add up

[true tusk]

god land above the red line could be referring to mariejois

[weak plaza]

Might be. Since Dragon in the series came from Taoist original religion of Chinese. And those Qilin too.

[fast hollow]

You think you are oda and always right about your theories

[weak plaza]

So he might add not just one. But few or many other religion story and character into it

[true tusk]

what?

im just speculating like we’re all doing

[weak plaza]

Really dude ? Chill

[waxen dust]

I am going to just peel off the band aid and say that this is not happening. Think some of this had reasonable headcanon, but I don’t think the egg has anything to do with Uranus.

I never had an idea of what purpose the egg would serve until today’s chapter 1023, I definitely think the egg was entrusted to Roger solely because King’s race or the inhabitants of God Valley had wanted it to live on and not end up extinct. It may likely have relevance later on in the story and some fascinating powers related to Conjuring Fire and Nika. But not in relation with Uranus.

I think Uranus has control over all aspects of weather, up to and including magnetism. I think that Uranus was used in specific instances to create unique weather situations that ended up protecting various kingdoms.

I agree with this portion of your thesis, BUT I don’t think it’s happening with Wano. I believe Wano is something completely related to VOAT & Momo and opening the border.

[fast hollow]

I 'm telling what i think

Then why are you calling me def

[true tusk]

def is short for definitely

[weak plaza]

If you are not enjoy theory. Then don’t ask other not to enjoy too.

So chill. Everyone has their own entertaining time

[fast hollow]

Sorry...my bad

[true tusk]

no worries

[weak plaza]

[fast hollow]

👍👍👍🤝

[weak plaza]

Haiyaaa…
Alright imma go to sleep now. G’Night

[true tusk]

good night

[weak plaza]

Have fun with theory guys

[true tusk]

ur prolly right

[fast hollow]

Its very hard to wait for chapters....just release all at once😜😜

[true tusk]

yeah for real

[devout apex]

No no, marco says "I thought only mariejois was above the red line-- I'm talking about a distant past... back then god's land was up there too". He adds the "too" meaning the god land existed alongside mariejois and wasn't mariejois itself

[true tusk]

hm i don’t remember the scene well but yeah they could be related if that’s the case

oda drops too many random hints

there’s too many lines to follow

[modest skiff]

You know me, I like to dream big. It seems we agree someone wanted Roger to keep that egg safe. Somewhere along the way, either it hatched or someone else is taking care of it. I choose to believe the egg either hatched recently or will hatch soon. I still really like my idea of some big infusion of energy being needed for the final stages of the egg to hatch. But perhaps something else happens.

You don't think Uranus is what caused all the whirlpools near Wano? Regardless of how the whirlpools were created, I think they "feed" the water system of Wano. I think there are lots of similar water current sorts of things in the world, such as the weirdness of the mountain area whatever place where you access the 4 seas and enter the Grand Line.

I'm still unsure if I think the Enies Lobby whirlpool ties into a subteranean sea. I think it is possible we still have a final sea to discover: The underground sea. And perhaps enies lobby is how you access it, similar to the upstream going to the sky sea. But this is me getting a bit rant'ish.

Thanks for your feedback! 🙂

[valid urchin]

If zoro is fighting a yonkos #2 rn, and his end goal is Mihawk, then mihawk must be yonko level

[modest skiff]

Since we still don't know what motivates Mihawk to fight, I think this is possible. He could just not give a shit and not bother to gain power, while being very strong himself. From a storytelling perspective, yeah, it sure looks like Mihawk is at least stronger than King, otherwise that would be weird. But using hints like that feels like cheating sometimes 🙂

We have no idea at this point so I just shrug for now

[pure raven]

Does anyone know why Jack didn't die when zunisha soloed him?

[bitter kraken]

I really do hope we get more of a backstory on zoro, then talking about how he looks like ryumas descendent and ryuma was a ken eyed swordman has got to have an interesting story behind it

[pure raven]

Theory has a few reaches but I don't think it can be disproven, from the replies people have only said what they didn't want happening and what they think instead but nothing really to debunk it.

Idk if its some bird though because from the connection with Zunishea that would mean Uranus would be something that has to do with multiple creatures and not just weather itself.

[bitter kraken]

Jack is a fish man I think

[pure raven]

but, he has an akuma no mi. and regardless if he is a merman or not, he would die

Sorry bad english, i use google translate.

[bitter kraken]

Idk wtf akuma no mi is lol

[pure raven]

League of legends?

[bitter kraken]

Idk wtf?

[acoustic wadi]

unironically i love the BB octopus theory

[pure raven]

what is IDK"?

[bitter kraken]

I don’t know

[pure raven]

ah, ok.

[fast hollow]

He can breathe under water but can move bcoz of df effect

[scenic thicket]

lol i bet ryuma/joyboy were the first zoro/luffy tht failed

[weak flicker]

So what plans do you think BB has for Moira?

[tired osprey]

Zombie army a la #other-series

[junior cape]

Steal the fruit, give it to a crewmate

[normal plume]

So what are the thoughts on the lunarians Queen mentions? Lunarians would refer to moon dwelling people conventionally, given he is saying they can burst into flames and Kings expression one can conjecture without it being unreasonable perhaps Kings fire people on the redline were from the moon. Perhaps Gods land used to be that place, if not that would be three cities on the redline at different points

[normal plume]

But finally a crumb to tie in Enel

My phone just came back to life too 😂

[torpid mist]

Well thats a hell of a chapter

[pastel summit]

They could be from the moon, but I don't know. Like, the only thing we have for that is the name, which albeit, is a pretty big sign, but could just be called that because they were the race closest to the moon maybe. Like, living high up on the red line.

@sturdy hound you awake? Guess not. Okay, so when you wake up, just want to confirm, iirc, the raws said "lunaria-zoku (couldn't find the kanji)" which more implies that they are from a place called Lunaria, as opposed to strictly relating to a moon living race, right? Like, the Moon would have to referred to as "Lunaria" in order for it to make sense that the race used to live on the moon.

[modest skiff]

1. It is possible that Lunarian refers to all people from a moon. It doesn't necessarily mean it applies to the moon we currently see in the sky

2. We know that King's people used to live on the red line at one point

3. We don't know how King's people got to the red line or if they were originally there

4. It is possible that King has a specific connection to Lunarians without being a Lunarian. It could be that King's race was the sworn enemy of Lunarians.

5. Since we got a bunch of celestial objects that no longer (appear to) exist, it is important to remember that Enel ran into some folks on the moon. If those people weren't from the moon originally, where did they come from? If other pirates have shown the ability to travel to the moon, presumably NOT from the One Piece planet, where did they come from? Opens up the possibility that Lunarians and King's people could be from somewhere quite far away

6. Yes, I know, the easy answer is that King's people at some people left the moon for some reason and moved to the red line through some mechanism

[modest skiff]

It’s written in katakana and literally just says Lunaria not “people of the moon” or something like that

[pastel summit]

yeah

[modest skiff]

If it was kanji we’d have more clues

[pastel summit]

I know it is written in katakana, just wanted to confirm about the kanji

[modest skiff]

There’s nothing, we got nothing else

I already asked my friend about that and he said there’s nothing else, just literally written as is

[true tusk]

maybe it has something to do with the city above the red line mentioned by marco

[pastel summit]

yeah, hence why I was wondering more about the implication. The race being referred to in Katakana more implies that they would be something like "people of lunaria" or "lunaria tribe" than a race from the moon.

[modest skiff]

Maybe, but we have no clues

Will be funny if the term Lunarian isn’t brought up again for like 200 chapter lmao

[pure raven]

What do you guys think of this theory?

[pastel summit]

extremely unlikely.

[silk rain]

if anyone one shots an emporor it wouldn't be luffy lol but i fw the comparison

[pastel summit]

Unless the scar is opened up before Luffy gets there and he lands it directly on Kaido's weakest point.

even then, seems a bit far fetched.

[waxen dust]

I think there is MAJOR importance to this battle in Skypiea, but I don’t think it has any relation to Kaido/Momo and Wano. Seems like we’re doing the Momotarou theory route. Just need to see whether Marco is actually finished or coming to the roof.

[silk rain]

The punch might not be symbolic of the "one-shot" but maybe more of new power coming to onigashima (e.g. marco, momo, new haki revelations for luffy)

[civic granite]

Here's my theory. Onigashima will actually land on Wano and Wano will be a fiery Battle ground. The strawhats will fight Kaido's crew Davy back style

[pure raven]

Yeah I still don't really know it wasn't really a strong connection, just the circumstances felt so similar like another one of oda's inversion and I just thought oda might be renovating on another old idea. Either way it's gonna be interesting whatever direction it goes

[pure raven]

Yeah it might even be a combine attack

I think it'll be a single blow though

For the attack that finishes it

[sturdy hound]

more implies that they are from a place called Lunaria, as opposed to strictly relating to a moon living race,
it does not imply any of those things, how did arrive at that conclusion?
first, people assume it's related to the moon bc "lunaraia" is probably derived from "luna".
second, 族 just means "tribe", exactly the same used for ミンク族 (mink tribe). that does not mean the minks come from a place called "mink" it's just the name of their tribe

the same kanji is used for "family" as well (一族) like "Dの一族"

[pastel summit]

right. makes sense

[sacred hawk]

What if wearing the raid suit multiple times was the catalyst for Sanji's germa exoskeleton to finally appear, and the reason Sanji's body feels weird is because he hasn't realized that yet?

[pure raven]

So the momotau theory is

Monkey = Luffy

Yamato = Dog

Marco = pheasant

[silk rain]

yeah pretty much we just dont really know where marco will be after the last chapter, cus they said he was pretty tired

more like he was out, but i'm still hoping he's just tired 😂

[forest rampart]

Three ways for Zoro to rooftop:

Momotaro reference (pheasant)

• Hiyori
  » She'll show him the way to the top. Zoro will enter through that one door left. Hiyori will wait or hiding herself behind the door and will watch the fight till the end.
• Marco
  » If he gets up again, he can take Zoro to rooftop again. But even if he will go to the rooftop, doesn't mean that he'll fight Kaido.

Other way for lost marimo

• Tatsumaki
  » He'll use Tatsumaki to get to the rooftop from the stage after he beats King. He has used Tatsumaki to fly to the rooftop when he was lost inside the building of EL.

[normal plume]

Yep that’s a good summary of the main points, for now we need more info to go on. Let’s see, though King being from the moon may be funny

[tranquil rivet]

why would zoro go to the roof when he's currently fighting king

[forest rampart]

ZKK

After he defeats King ofc

[tranquil rivet]

that's never gonna happen

[forest rampart]

Just a theory

[willow fog]

[grizzled fog]

How does zoro fit into momotaro?

[forest rampart]

Lunaria Tribe
Lunar means Moon. So maybe Moon Tribe. But maybe not.
Fishmen want to see the Sun. So maybe Lunarians want to see the Moon. But how does it relates with Lunarians being on the top of RL? Could be simply that they thought they could see the Moon better on a higher place. Sometimes it's a simple as that. Doesn't have much evidence to go with it tho other than a few parallels but I don't want to mention what are those parallels.

[slim moat]

At least it is confirmed Redline is regular feature in One piece world, at least since Ancient Kingdom days.

[stuck slate]

oda just keeps making this world bigger

cant wait to see how he manages all of this

[forest rampart]

Doesn't really have to be that "Zoro will said he'll want to help Luffy" when he could simply say "he wants to go to rooftop" or smth like that.
And no, Zoro doesn't fit Momotaro theory, but Kintaro and samurai folktale.

Luffy as Kintaro, Zoro as samurai.

Not my theory tho.

[forest rampart]

But Tatsumaki is my idea

[forest rampart]

N this one too

[nimble hinge]

If you're free, I had a question?

[sturdy hound]

shoot

[nimble hinge]

For chapter 1022. Are there any alternative translations for the chapter title? Any word play you can think of? Any part of it that could have a different meaning?

I know it's a complex language, but if you had some time, I'd appreciate you taking a thorough look at every possibility?

@sturdy hound

[sturdy hound]

are you talking about the "star" thing or just thr title in general?

[nimble hinge]

Both the whole thing and individual words. Any alternative meaning.

I don't care if it uses multiple words or just part of one.

Which is why I figured it would take a little bit of time.

[undone heart]

Wouldn't it be fucked up if the will of D had nothing to do with genetics and was just a free Fated-to-Oppose-Celestial-Dragons pass for parents to force onto their children by making D their middle initial?

[tired depot]

This obviously is impossible. But it’s trippy

I was thinking that the toki toki no mi might play a role in this. This I remembered it only has the power to Time travel forward not backwards

[undone heart]

It wouldn't be a stretch for there to be a reversing-time fruit

[sturdy hound]

well, the title is similar to the one for 978 where the f6 are introduced, so we can translate it as "introducing the stars" but other than that there isnt much wordplay.
all i can tell you is that the word for star is "花形" an old term used in kabuki plays, which is what wano basically is, one big kabuki play.
花形 also literally means "flower form" and marco uses an attack named after a flower ふじあざみ (Cirsium purpuratum) so ig it's a double meaning there, marco's attack, and zoro and sanji taking the stage. @nimble hinge

[tired depot]

Would be too convenient. But then again one piece is full of convenients

[nimble hinge]

Any alternative translation for stage?

[sturdy hound]

marco's attack has some wordplay tho, the name of the flower is usually written in kana, but oda writes it with the kanji 不死薊 (non-dying flower) and 不死 is part of the wrod for Phoenix

[sturdy hound]

the word stage isnt there in the jp title, in jp it just says "introducing the stars"

[nimble hinge]

Ok, thanks for the help. I appreciate it.

[sturdy hound]

anytime

[nimble hinge]

I don't know enough about the language, but are there also alternative translations for how the word is pronounced?

Like how go mu is is for rubber? And 5 and 6?

[sturdy hound]

はながた doesnt have any notable meaning other than "nose shape" lol
とうじょう could have these meanings, but it's a huge stretch tbh. the ch title is very clear

[nimble hinge]

Gotcha. Thanks again

I'm not really looking for an entirely new chapter name. Just perhaps something hidden with it.

[cedar sinew]

@modest skiff @dusky acorn what are yalls thoughts on marco's reference to what WB said?
The distant past (not sure if thats a good translation but) made me think it's referring to the void century, and correspondingly the first thing that came into mind was the location of ancient kingdom. If that's true it'll disprove the artificial redline WG theory which has been ongoing for so long.

[sturdy hound]

Yea, I’m positive nothing is hidden

[forest rampart]

gorowase
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_wordplay.

[sturdy hound]

Even if you show the title with no kanji to a jp person, they will get the same meaning regardless

It’s that clear

[tired depot]

how goes “mu” translate to 6? Isn’t 6, “roku”

Honest question

[sturdy hound]

It’s one of the multiple readings for 6

[tired depot]

In which case would you instead say mu other than roku

[sturdy hound]

All of these are readings for six

[sturdy hound]

Depends on the word it’s being used in. 六日 is read “muika” for ex

[forest rampart]

Agree. And it will create yet another parallel with Mariejoa.

[tired depot]

Interesting

Kinda like shi and yon. Shi is used for the month April right

[cedar sinew]

Not sure about lt being the same place but could be considering we’re getting close to the end game

[sturdy hound]

Yes, shigatsu is April

[tired depot]

It’s kinda fascinating how much you can learn from watching shows with other languages

I picked up so much Japanese terms just by watching anime lol

[modest skiff]

It would support my basic theory that a bunch of kingdoms banded together to take over Marie Jois out of some kind of jealousy or fear. One of my theories that I still hold on to is the idea that there is some kind of power or treasure or something that the CDs desperately wanted that the AK had. Once the CDs took over, they realized the AK locked it up and made it so that the CDs can't use it. One of my many sub theories here is that Luffy or Law's power allows for unlocking this either through stretching it open (Luffy) or allowing you to pull something out from within it (Law). In my estimation, the AK were kinda like the federation in star trek. They were super powerful but also did not really like sharing their stuff. I think it is possible that someone within the AK (Imu) wanted to rule, so he sabotaged the AK and convinced the nobles of the ocean to rise against the AK so that Imu could rule.

I think its totally possible that this is the gist of what happened:

1. AK lives up there and doesn't "rule over" people per se but keeps the peace and doesn't share their stuff

2. Nobles get salty and hate the AK. Imu allies with nobles to take over AK.

3. As the AK realizes they are screwed, they use some method (I think Pluton) to toss their kingdom really high up into the sky. Just like how we saw the warp speed crabs go incredibly high in the sky, I am not convinced that's as high as it goes. I think its possible the AK is unreachably high up in the sky

4. I think that whatever it is that the nobles/CDs were jealous of and wanted in Marie Jois, once they got there, they realized they were locked out.

5. The AK left the glyphs so that one day, someone could rise against the CDs and take back whatever is so special in Marie Jois. I think Marie Jois is built directly on top of something that the one piece or the gylphs unlocks

Right now I am more inclined to think the red line is a curse from either the planet or the AK and that the islands are what is artificial and perhaps came from moons or planets being destroyed and their debris creating the islands.

Elaborating a bit on my Gomu theory: When I look at the process of a rising sun across an ocean, it starts out as an incredibly small dot which grows into a larger and larger circle. Perhaps that represents the idea that an awakened gomu user can turn a tiny piece of sand into a large gateway to access (blank) or a portal that takes you to (blank). If it is a portal, I think it takes you to the AK. So I think it is possible that One Piece + Gomu + Marie Jois = ability to join the AK.

The thing that makes my Gomu theory shitty is that it doesn't explain why the CDs are absolutely desperately afraid of the one piece and the glyphs and whatnot. It feels like if people find the one piece, they essentially immediately win against the CDs. Or at least the CDs treat the situation that way. So I think it is possible that the One Piece actually allows for retaking Marie Jois directly OR it somehow invalidates the absolute power the CDs currently have.

One of my main theories regarding the CD's absolute power is that they have some sort of device that can control the water level of the world. But one twist to my theory is that I think its possible it is just a bluff. I think it is possible they don't actually have the power because the AK locked it away. So yeah, I think the One Piece either retakes Marie Jois directly or dismantles whatever power the CDs currently have.

...This is a long winded way for me to say I think it is possible King's people were the AK and that they were some kind of followers of the sun and that's why Nika was a sun god etc because he tried to retake Marie Jois as some kind of revolutionary after the CDs took it back. So I think King's people were on the run for a while and eventually all either escaped or were hunted down. But I think the AK still lives amazingly high in the clouds and are only reachable by crab or portal etc

[cedar sinew]

Idk about AK being that high up in the sky. I was sorta thinking it's basically where marie jois is. Maybe it was rebuilt. It's a little bit hard to understand what exactly the purpose of AK was as it'd be a bit contradictory if they were a totalitarian "government" or any form of ruling body really. We don't rreally know if it was a governing body in general, could've jjust been self contained. I like the idea that Imu created a rebellion as an original member of the AK though and led the formation of WG. But yeah, inclined to think AK was just regularly above the redline for parallels sake

regarding the "device" it's definitely not a bluff imo. Just doesn't make sense consisdering the cleansing and the void century. It's 99% related to the ancient weapons though

[modest skiff]

I don't think they were totalitarian. I think they just mostly kept to themselves but all the other kingdoms were jealous and wanted their technology etc.

[cedar sinew]

also no idea what the gomu theory you mentioned is lmfao. All I'll say is that it sounds wild

[modest skiff]

And yeah, I am not entirely confident in my AK in the sky stuff. Just kinda spitting out all my thoughts tbh. I'm just trying to give everything I've got stirring in my head. Yeah LOL the gomu stuff is pretty out there. But hey, I gotta at least try to think of why its important 😄

[silk rain]

I think that the AK was destroyed or they were forced out of it

[forest rampart]

I agree with the idea that Imu was a part of AK. In fact, I've been thinking bout it since last month. And I also think that Imu rebelled against AK or smth like internal conflicts happened.

[modest skiff]

Also, my first thought was that King/Lunarians was perhaps a red herring. I am always so confident we will never get actual relevant/good details of the AK, but I have always suspected that Kaido sympathizes with the AK and that he wants to fight on their behalf. Kaido taking in a former member of the AK and protecting them is consistent with that idea. I'm starting to wonder if we are really finally at a point where we are learning something significant about the AK. What if it really is that Kaido sympathizes with Joyboy/AK and has been waiting for Joyboy to raise hell on Marie Jois.

[forest rampart]

There was someone that also suggested the same idea once about the jealousy part unless he didn't elaborate much on it.

[unborn kayak]

Do you guys think that Who's who could be working with blackbeard as a spy in wano

[supple anchor]

i dont think its likely. who's who is so scared of being killed by the WG that i think he sticks to kaido cause hes the strongest protection he could have

[forest rampart]

I've consider the probability of this before but it doesnt seems to have much chance

[unborn kayak]

who do you guys think blackbeard's wano spy is

[forest rampart]

Caribou but idk

[modest skiff]

No matter how you slice it, all indications are that the AK was way, way, way advanced compared to the entire rest of the world. No one has nearly their level of technology.

[supple anchor]

yeah i think caribou got a connection to BB

[unborn kayak]

oh I didn't think caribou

[cedar sinew]

first thought with king lunarian reveal was enel lol, and that there may actually be a chance that the whole plotline will be relevant again.
Kaido taking King in for his strength and fruit is plenty reason. And him wanting to find the next joyboy which will inevitably bring war is good enough motivation for him tbh. Don't agree with any of the symphathizing/jealousy stuff

[forest rampart]

A few suggested him but idk what's the actual core behind it

[unborn kayak]

I think I like who's who more but it could be caribou

[modest skiff]

Wait, Lunarian King reveal?

[supple anchor]

caribou was gonna tell someone about shirahoshi being poseidon, so we know its someone powerful and he didnt seem to give that info to kaido. BB seems like the next obvious choice but it might be someone else too

[forest rampart]

yea

[modest skiff]

Oh wait, you mean Lunarian perhaps being king LOL. Sorry I thought you meant the Lunarian King, like the "king of lunaria"

[cedar sinew]

yeah I meant King's specie being confirmed as Lunarian lol

[unborn kayak]

i think its implied but not confirmed

[frigid oxide]

Spoilers coming on tuesday?

[modest skiff]

yes right. One of the things that still makes me squint is the idea that people who lived on the moon being fire wielders...doesn't quite fit for me.

[cedar sinew]

it's like 99.99999%

[unborn kayak]

yes, very likely

[cedar sinew]

1. flames
2. king shown right after with "..."

[frigid oxide]

?

[supple anchor]

doesnt king vivre card come out soon

[unborn kayak]

i think next set

[cedar sinew]

well only a certain race mohdoo

idk oda couldve just said they originated from one of those flame islands like PH but guess being from the moon makes it rarer

also potential connection to gods land/moon tech(???)

[forest rampart]

minks, sulong, electric exist

[modest skiff]

A few things I am still squinting my eyes at:

1. In the Ohara diagram, a lot of planets circle another larger planet, doesn't look like a sun. It looks like a planet.

2. The planet on the far right is the only planet that has a moon

3. "Lunarian" could just mean a moon of the larger planet. That would mean that there are many other possibilities and that "lunarian" could just be a broad label that applies to races from other planets. So lots of different races could be Lunarians

[cedar sinew]

also side comment on the redline thing there seems to be a debate regarding whether WB meant gods land existed above the redline or existed as HIGH as redline (marie jois). The wording implies the former but probs need to wait for official

because former disproves artificial redline theory. Unless you wanna say AK made it

[modest skiff]

Yeah that kind of distinction requires official translations IMO. I can ask my friend who is deeply fluent what he thinks it said

[cedar sinew]

but again that'd be weird

[unborn kayak]

I feel king's race are related to other sky people and can be seen on this coverpage, the one on the left. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Enel's_Great_Space_Operations?file=Chapter_472.png

[frozen prairie]

aren't those just birkans?

[unborn kayak]

the one on the left has wings like king

[frozen prairie]

well sure, but i'm pretty sure those are birkans.

[unborn kayak]

well maybe

[frozen prairie]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/1/11/Satori_Anime_Infobox.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20180908093921

its pretty much exactly this

wait

maybe kings race are birkans. big mom explicitly says he's the last survivor of a supposedly destroyed race, we know that enel destroyed birka, she has no reason to know about his remaining members in his gang

[unborn kayak]

yes thats what i meant or they are related

[modest skiff]

When do official translations come out @cedar sinew ? I asked my friend to give me a Gucci translation of the distinction between "on top of the red line" and "somewhere above the red line"

[cedar sinew]

sunday morning pst

so in like 36 hours

[unborn kayak]

also there are flame dials in skypeia meaning they could manipulate flames somehow

[modest skiff]

Hold up, what. googles

[unborn kayak]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Dials#Flame_Dial

[modest skiff]

oh shit

[cedar sinew]

well theres a lot of naturally occuring element dials in skypiea

[modest skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553 Mai hope you're ready for more of my whack ass theories after all this dial talk

[unborn kayak]

but the harnessing of fire for flame diles could be from lunarians

[pastel summit]

it could be, it could also just be one piece stuff.

[unborn kayak]

yes perhaps they just harness passion like sanjei

[cedar sinew]

just ping me if you have any writeups and I'll respond

[unborn kayak]

do we know how dials are created

[modest skiff]

Not a damn clue, but they are the closest thing we have seen to AK technology IMO. Sky technology is way advanced compared to blue sea

Wait how do navy ships cross the calm belt despite no wind?

[unborn kayak]

motors i think

[modest skiff]

For some reason I have it in my head they don't have motors

[unborn kayak]

I just realized all dials seem to be similar to devil fruits

[deep egret]

Fr

[unborn kayak]

for example Impact= urouge Flash= Kizra's Flame = mera mera

[modest skiff]

Yes, this is why I posted that gif earlier

[unborn kayak]

missed that, what if urouge doesn't has a devil fruit and just wears impact dials as he's a sky person (I don't want this to happem)

[modest skiff]

But he physically grows. Dude gets huge.

[unborn kayak]

oh yeah i forgot

[cedar sinew]

they have paddle wheels I believe. Motors don't exist on normal ships other than like submarines?

[modest skiff]

got it, makes sense, thanks mai. I don't remember that being shown but that makes the most sense. As I understand, the WG does not have combustion outside of guns. They don't have it as a form of propulsion

[unborn kayak]

its stated that axe dials are not found in skypeia, meaning diel technology spread beyond skypeia could of king's race also had access to dials and created the flame dial which was spread to skypeia

[modest skiff]

Yeah one of my spitball baseless theories at this point is that various races created dials from their own powers in some way. King's race made fire dials, other races made other dials.

But looking at all the other dials, some of them are very simple. Oh snap diggity I wonder if lineage factor has anything to do with dials. Hmmmm

[unborn kayak]

i like it, I had this idea also

[modest skiff]

But there’s dials for just displaying a picture. Like some of them do not appear to be a devil fruit. Or if they are, a really useless one XD

[unborn kayak]

three eyed tribe?

[modest skiff]

What about em

[unborn kayak]

they're the most likely race to make vision dials

[modest skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-star-thinking-hmmm-intense-gif-5454670 me atm

Yeah I think that’s possible but it just doesn’t feel direct enough. But it is also totally possible some other devil fruit really is like a “photo photo” fruit that captures images and can put them anywhere

I’m gonna look through all the dials and see if any of them also fit the 3 eyed tribe

[unborn kayak]

pudding's fruit

[modest skiff]

[unborn kayak]

how did puddings fruit work before film was invented

or did the AK already have modern technology before they made devil fruits

[modest skiff]

Answering that would force me to go down some serious rabbit holes that will make people call me crazy. But I have pondered that idea before O_o my theories are complete nonsense sometimes…but I want to believe

[unborn kayak]

can you private message me them

ok I have to go now, I'd like to talk to you again

[modest skiff]

I'll DM you, happy to talk again another time

[reef nest]

Is it confirmed that Zoro is a Ryouma descendant? Or is there any good theory yet

[ancient vault]

not confirmed

[modest skiff]

Just to be clear, we have confirmation that Zoro's sensei was from Wano, but not Zoro himself?

[wet rampart]

yes

[modest skiff]

Shimotsuki Ryuma - Shimotsuki village, so somewhere along the way, Ryuuma's family founded the village that Zoro lived in

[reef nest]

Zoro's sensei- Koushiro's father Kozaburo left Wano 55 years ago and settled in east blue Shimotsuki village.

[modest skiff]

That feels like a pretty significant connection. Zoro grew up in a village founded by the descendants of Ryuma. Zoro's sensei was also from Wano

[slim moat]

Some meta stuff going on in one piece rn. Hyogoro and Kawamatsu came up with their own theory about Zoro's ancestry. 😹

[cyan berry]

I mean it's not really a theory

They just thought he looked similar to Ushimaru and Ryuma

[ancient vault]

How did the wire snails work in wano?

[slim moat]

Guess or theory. Similar territory

[woven python]

guys i got report

i think blackbeard will defeat big mom

when he gets kaido devil fruit after luffy defeats him

[foggy anvil]

blackbeard will not defeat big mom because he had to defeat luffy and marco and wano samurai and more for it and he wouldnt do it so

but he might actually came to wano for kaido devil fruits

[boreal oyster]

bro law stomps blackbeard

[split hornet]

Law and kid will injure big mom heavily she will escape, back to her territory. Luffy will go after her beat her and be katakuris daddy

[foggy anvil]

had to disagreed, surely law fruit is good but still not on yonko level maybe after wano arc

[split hornet]

But i wonder Luffy said he wants to beat all 4

[boreal oyster]

Shanks is op he cant defeat him

[foggy anvil]

if kid and law defeat big mom, then they might aswell be on a yonko level

[foggy anvil]

everyone beside shanks

[boreal oyster]

ye

shanks is strongest in the verse it is said in many twitters

[foggy anvil]

including wb roger xebec

[boreal oyster]

They are dead

[light onyx]

I never saw shanks kill anyone

[foggy anvil]

if its now maybe mihawk

[boreal oyster]

He cut kid’s arm

[boreal oyster]

mihawk doesnt stand a chance, bro EVEN LUFFY STOMPS HIM

[light onyx]

Well yeah but he still is alive

[split hornet]

He said something like as long as shanks is last

[light onyx]

🌚

[foggy anvil]

damn bro mihawk was as equal as shanks was when he had 2 arms

[light onyx]

Luffy beats mihawk?

[boreal oyster]

bro shanks is stronger still

[foggy anvil]

with his crew yes, without no

[split hornet]

Well it's new era vs old era kinda, taking a shift, well see

[boreal oyster]

i was just saying idk if he does

[boreal oyster]

Thats cap, shanks is stronger without his crew.

[split hornet]

Shanks went solo on Whitebeards ship

[light onyx]

Probably not I think it was said that zoro isn’t even close to Mihawks level

[foggy anvil]

benn beckman was almost equal to shanks and feared by admirals

[boreal oyster]

i know

[foggy anvil]

he had no intention on fighting wb so that's why

[boreal oyster]

thats why they are a dangerous duo

[lunar shell]

We'll talk when zoro have his sword black

[split hornet]

Still throws his Haki

[woven python]

shanks has time time fruit

after toki died

[foggy anvil]

but dont underestimate the rest of this crew

[boreal oyster]

hm

[woven python]

blackbeard crew literally the same people of shanks crew just opposites

[light onyx]

I mean wb probably didn’t use his tremor fruit when fighting shanks due to it possibly breaking the ship

[foggy anvil]

in the first ep shanks was able to swim means he dont have any df

[woven python]

bro

[boreal oyster]

NOT EVEN CLOSE LOOOOOL

[woven python]

after the ten years

[split hornet]

Shanks crew has highest average bounty of all Yonko

[foggy anvil]

nah not rly shanks crew is way stronger for now

[woven python]

naaa

[split hornet]

They're all nasty mfers

[foggy anvil]

and that explain why shanks crew is one of the strongest

[woven python]

your saying shanks crew can beat white beard crew

[light onyx]

I wanna see the guy with the monkey

[boreal oyster]

Bro shank’s crew is the top 3 strongest crew and then rock pirates and then Roger’s crew

[split hornet]

Blackbeard also said we're not ready yet to fight you guys

[woven python]

two years ago

[foggy anvil]

i wanna know more about this guy man there alot of theories of him having teleportion fruit

[boreal oyster]

why doesnt he attack now?

[split hornet]

Who knows when they are

[boreal oyster]

Damn

[lunar shell]

Based on what

[light onyx]

Well yeah wb beat the living shit out of him

[foggy anvil]

because hes like behind the scene of one piece

[split hornet]

He just challenged the navy lol

[light onyx]

Fair

[lunar shell]

Cuz I strongly believe none of shanks crew has fruit, I think its official

[woven python]

omg you guys are stupid ima be real i thibk blackbeard can beat big mom we saw how weak luffy was and if we didn’t see him in action after two years we would of presumed he was still weak blackbeard defeated ace marco and was taking on sengoku in marineford before remember he had a timeskip too his crew members most dangerous in impel down and one of them most dangerous s lady blackbeard has a timeskip to rememebr thst he’s training

[foggy anvil]

becausee sengoku stated that shanks will arrive in the marineford in 2 days but its appear about 1-2 hours

[worthy belfry]

One-piece is at under the sea or on the moon

[boreal oyster]

Bro shanks is on god level NOT EVEN YONKO hes way stronger then all yonkos

[worthy belfry]

One-piece can't be an island for sure

[woven python]

no shanks is not god level lol

[foggy anvil]

for now or old

[supple anchor]

kaido is confirmed strongest 1v1

[boreal oyster]

Now

[woven python]

yeah exactly shanks will lose to kaido

you man are saying shanks strongest but haven’t even seen him fight

[boreal oyster]

dont talk that guy got clapped

[supple anchor]

yo we have no idea what happened with kaido and shanks

[woven python]

he’s the strongest in 1v1 strongest alive highest bounty alive

[worthy belfry]

Shanks lost to a fish

[boreal oyster]

Also MARCO IS BACK ON THE SCENE

[split hornet]

Then how did shanks make Kaido go back to oni

[supple anchor]

shanks could have said that if kaido went to marineford then shanks would take over wano

[woven python]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[boreal oyster]

Strongest creature*

[worthy belfry]

And kaido is fish

[supple anchor]

also "in a 1v1 fight, always bet on kaido"

[woven python]

i think monkey d dragon will be strongest

[boreal oyster]

We havent seen him fight

[light onyx]

Do bounties judge how strong you are ?

[boreal oyster]

ye

[woven python]

no lol

[worthy belfry]

Shanks maybe like buggy overhyped by rumours,

[light onyx]

Well kaido Is stronger than shanks ig

[boreal oyster]

Nah

[copper frost]

no, thats a sign of notoriety and threat to the government rather than strength

[woven python]

freedom stfu you say shanks is strongest haven’t seen him fight and say bounty mean you’d strength are you ok? it’s your level threat

[lunar shell]

Its just to hype him cuz he is the main vilain atm

[light onyx]

Ahhh

[woven python]

i admit shanks is strongest bust for now we can’t say that

[light onyx]

Will otamas fruit work against kaido

[boreal oyster]

LOLWHAT

[copper frost]

no

[hollow topaz]

Didn't shanks stop Kaido from coming to Marineford

[light onyx]

It would be rlly funny

[woven python]

shanks could be king of pirates and so op but niggas camping on an island drinking wine

[worthy belfry]

According to bounty kaido is strongest yonkou

[boreal oyster]

Exaclty

[woven python]

BOUNTY MEANS NOTHING DUMMY

[copper frost]

better off discussing this in #also-manga or #manga rather than this channel

[boreal oyster]

Ik

[worthy belfry]

So p
Luffy beating him sends a strong message

[woven python]

just threat level omg

[hollow topaz]

Whatever me and my homies flex to adult Momo

[supple anchor]

i mean it is hype, but that doesnt mean its not true. Oda doesnt usually hype someone up as the strongest in the world, WB was the one before and he definitely lived up to the hype, i see no reason why kaido would not

[woven python]

also i wanna know how lufffy will beat kaido i think he’s gonna go into gear 6

[boreal oyster]

didnt shanks stop kaido from coming after whitebeard?

[woven python]

he stopped him

[grizzled fog]

It’s not solely threat level. Strength is a big part of bounties , and often times it’s quite a good rough indicator of one’s strength

[hollow topaz]

Just this is in my mind now

[light onyx]

Will momo use blast breath ??

[lunar shell]

Cuz its a shonen, and those we have yet to see are necesseraly stronger

[copper frost]

can yall discuss this in the other manga channels, this is not the right chat to discuss the topic you are

[boreal oyster]

Some people say that shanks is protecting the new world from getting into chaos

[woven python]

yh that’s why ussop 200 mill and chopper 100 -_-

yes i think shanks ate time time fruit after

[hollow topaz]

I was wondering how luffy will get up to onigashima but now I've got a reason

[woven python]

and know what’s gonna happen so he’s just waiting for dawn of time that’s why he betted his life on luffy

[boreal oyster]

law vs kid who wins? Just question

[supple anchor]

i mean you can say that if you want, but we have nothing in the narrative or from oda that says that at this point. its not saying the kaido is the strongest to ever live, but that at this point in time there is no creature that can take him 1v1. thats what the narrative is and Oda stays pretty consistent with big things like that

[lunar shell]

Oh. Luffy can fly by himself using gear 4.

[foggy anvil]

wb > shanks > kaido > bm

[supple anchor]

he essentially capped the powerscale with WB in marineford, even old ass WB

[wide star]

i just can't believe in the snap of a finger we've gone from child momo to adult momo, does it kinda feel like a character died today, sorta?

[boreal oyster]

Ofc

[light onyx]

I think booney is actually an old lady( a queen) who used her powers to become young again and kuma was like her bodyguard somebody who was always With her

[foggy anvil]

imo law

[lunar shell]

How many time did Kaido lose a fight again ?^^

[woven python]

7 lol

[foggy anvil]

his df is just op af

[boreal oyster]

Yeah his body aint nun

[wide star]

something interesting to think about btw, you guys know how kaidou jumped off a sky island? y'all think king brought him there?

[woven python]

yes

[worthy belfry]

That's true , guard at marinford recognised her as queen

[supple anchor]

he lost a bunch, he got captured a ton of times too. but at this point in time he is the strongest. kaido was young as a member of rocks and only got his fruit then, then went on to lose a bunch and now he is at the top

[boreal oyster]

roger stomps all of them now stop debating

[supple anchor]

losing before you get to the top doesnt mean you arent at the top

[woven python]

isn’t it hard to comprehend how luffy isn’t 20 yet and is gonna be a yonko

[foggy anvil]

beside xebec

[boreal oyster]

THAT NIGGA IS DEAD

[worthy belfry]

But Roger is dead , dead are not scary

[light onyx]

Or it’s possible that kuma helped her become a pirate

[foggy anvil]

so is roger

[wide star]

on top of kaidou losing fights in the past, keep in mind this guy is partnered up with big mom on an island he is currently floating through the air with most of the supernovas and CP0 and pretty much every dead ringer for strong characters in the entire series on it lmao.

[boreal oyster]

atleast roger died a cool death

[light onyx]

Imagine Moria finds him

[woven python]

moria is dead

[wide star]

save the marines, but i digress lmao

[lunar shell]

Knowing this and his personality, why then didnt he just defeated Shanks and want on to marinford ? Or is Shanks not a creature ? I would accept this

[woven python]

blackbeard probsly killed him he’s blackbeRd he can use his power well

bro ik shanks is an important figure he ain’t. a pirate that’s why he don’t fight anyone

[boreal oyster]

Brooo prime garp stomps kaido now stop debating

[worthy belfry]

Shanks is god

[light onyx]

Somebody in Blackbeard’s crew revives roger and uses him as his puppet and use it against shanks which would lead to shanks death

[wide star]

if i were to hypothesize where shanks is right now, he's probably pulling a marineford 2.0 and preventing the BB crew from showing up to wano and sending everything to shit

[woven python]

anyone call?

vc better

[boreal oyster]

Later

[foggy anvil]

because kaido stated himself that shanks can beat him

[supple anchor]

it depends on what his goal was. if he went all out to beat shanks, he might be able to beat him but at the cost of whatever crew he brought with and/or major injuries. or maybe shanks threatened to do something else, like go to wano himself, if kaido went to marineford. theres other forces at play rather than just brute force

[boreal oyster]

EXACLTY

[woven python]

show us proof

[worthy belfry]

Shanks is from God valley where a last lunarian species was there

[lunar shell]

I see. Also kaido has a better bounty than Shanks

[wide star]

here's a thought - shanks is a swordsman, and mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman. this begs the question, does shanks have a DF or something?

[boreal oyster]

Doesnt mean he is stronger

[wide star]

the age old question :^)

[lunar shell]

I guess its just my gut who tell me that Shanks, teach, mihawk, and akainu, are all stronger than Kaido

[boreal oyster]

Loading

[supple anchor]

yeah exactly. these guys are yonko, winning a fight isnt always worth it if the cost is too high. like if two yonko go all out to fight each other and a third swoops in and takes them both out

[worthy belfry]

Any moon theory like sanji from moon?

[wide star]

i heavily x doubt that akainu is flat out stronger than kaidou

[foggy anvil]

but still shanks clap due to kaido weakness is coc

[woven python]

i think monkey d dragon is the strongest character alive son of future pirate king son of strongest marine alive worst criminal been hidden for nearly 1000 epsiodes directly oppose world goverment and hasn’t been caught and no one is going after him

[lunar shell]

Yes. That s what I think

[wide star]

then again we haven't seen post timeskip akainu do anything

[boreal oyster]

some people say half of the whitebeard commanders are on yonko inculding marco

[lunar shell]

Shanks must have roger and prime whitebeard lv in coc

[wide star]

man could probably create islands at this point by awakening his DF and summoning lava up from under the sea

[boreal oyster]

Marco is on yonko Level?

[wide star]

wait did i just predict akainus awoken df lmao

[worthy belfry]

Anybody talk about recent manga chapters or talk about powerlevels all day?

[woven python]

yeah every underestimating blackbeard he had a time skip to he was handling sengoku in 1v1 -and also defeated ace he has strong ass pirate in crew

[boreal oyster]

Still loses to luffy

[wide star]

momo is gonna look like oden with a fu manchu and confuse the shit out of kaidou and his retainers simultaneously

i mean that with 100% certainty, i'd get a kick out of it

[lunar shell]

Yes. Seeing shinobu reaction, momo must look like Oden

[foggy anvil]

No hes no match for king so nope

[light onyx]

Isn’t it hard to find where dragon is ?

[woven python]

yeah but they would obviously be looking for a guy that opposes to take them down

no matter what

[boreal oyster]

We havent seen them fight so who knows

[foggy anvil]

if adult momo personality is still kids, its gonna be disappointing

[woven python]

luffy is admiral level in manga

[wide star]

the oden flashback has so much more meaning now that momo has been aged though, real talk - the people of wano who were there when oden was boiled are gonna see him at the flower capital and lose their collective shits and celebrate oden's story with drinks

[woven python]

he just needs the gear change or awakening to become yonko

[lunar shell]

Clearly. If he is 28 in mind too, its really fun though

[boreal oyster]

…

[wide star]

we don't really know how shinobu's fruit works with respect to mental age

[foggy anvil]

welp marco was having a litte difficulty when fighting king