manga-theories

[night jewel]

hiyori hasnt showed up in the present for 60+ chapters and isnt even supposed to be on onigashima, she literally told the scabbards that she isnt planning to go to onigashima, its supposed to be a surprising thing so naturally oda silhouetted her

Oda silhouetted izo for a couple of chapters too when he came to onigashima

[pure raven]

you make some good points, thanks for the discussion. I think this might be my favorite channel in the server lol

[modest skiff]

I basically only hang out here unless juicy conversations happen in #also-manga or #manga

[pure raven]

valid tbh. I feel like discussions in the recent chapter channels can be so chaotic 😅

[silk rain]

I never seen it on him yet

[autumn crypt]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Klabautermann

scary as hell lmao

[pure raven]

zoro asura demon mode fucking Robin devil mode 👍

[sly mulch]

Blackbeard foreshadowing through the cover of Chapter 19 and title is even called “ Devil Fruit” . We know that Blackbeard animal is hippo and look what I found out about hippos body structure.

[feral scroll]

“My era….begins!” Such ego

Also claiming this in the middle of marineford headquarters

[neon shoal]

Wait why does blackbeard represent hippo?

[autumn crypt]

oda said so lmao

[near cave]

Momo become big dragon

[neon shoal]

And where does it say that then?

[autumn crypt]

interview i think

[neon shoal]

Oh alright

[autumn crypt]

search for hippo in this channel people talked a lot about it

the hippo theory doesnt make sense to me though... devilfruits are linked with the soul not with the stomach so 3 stomachs shouldnt help blackbeard getting multiple fruits.. i just think oda gave him that animal because they are very aggressive and ugly

[feral scroll]

Yeah hippos lay dormant for a while and suddenly gets agressive, matches blackbeard’s behavior

[faint flame]

If he’s a hippo and Marco didn’t just say that I’ll be pissed

[neon shoal]

Interesting

Maybe gomu gomu fruit really important during void century just like ope ope fruit used to grant imu immortal youth

[dusky acorn]

Before, I would have highly doubted anything near this price is what the gomu gomu could ever be worth, but Who's Who story might have flipped things on their head

[neon shoal]

I know right

[dusky acorn]

So there could be merit to that prototype price. It of course wasn't the actual One Piece manga, but the author likes being consistent to his earlier stuff whenever he can help it

Same reason Ryuma at least ended up having the same design, and the dragon slaying story was kept in

[bitter kraken]

Isn’t more likely that DF’s are linked to your DNA since momo’s fruit was made from kaidos DNA? That would also make it likely that BB and co steal fruit powers by eating part of the original owners organs maybe the heart

[drowsy marsh]

Physical alteration to bodies would probably be noticed.

[silk rain]

I might be misunderstanding you, but if you accidentally touch an open wound on an open wound irl, your dna obviously would not change but you still may get a disease from the other persons blood

Could be how similar to how dfs work in one piece?? so no there wouldnt be any physical alteration in terms of dna if thats what you mean

[olive pewter]

not DNA, lineage factors right?

[silk rain]

Im not really sure but I think they mean lineage factors from the dna??

[bitter kraken]

If you take when BB took WB’s power, WB was all bloodied up and had one or two holes on his body big holes big enough to fit your hand into and rip something out and it wouldn’t show any change to his outside body

[silk rain]

ohhh as far as wounds yeah I agree. But how they make smiles and momos fruit is different, they take lineage factors which could also somehow be what bb did

[bitter kraken]

Lineage factor is OP word for dna right?

[tardy pumice]

Oh, wow. That hippo even has what can be interpreted as a devil fruit swirl on its face.

[modest skiff]

Its a bit of a hybrid between chemistry and DNA. It seems like inorganic stuff also has lineage factor in one piece so its not quite DNA, just looks like DNA

[surreal oriole]

Any theories on Luffys awakening just allowing him to make his surroundings rubber? And how that might apply to some ancient weapon

Maybe its also a natural counter to the gura gura no mi

[modest skiff]

I think there is a special thing that can’t be used unless it is stretched, like a door or a chest or something. I think it’s physically impossible to open it or get what is inside or pass through it or whatever unless you stretch it

In my eyes I imagine something the size of a piece of sand which needs to be stretched to the size of car or something

[surreal oriole]

Interesting, that's wild but I could see that. I kinda have the feeling he is going to awaken it in his battle with blackbeard and we are gonna learn it counters the gura gura no mi. But that might be to easy

[amber oar]

I mean, seems in OP that everything is "alive"... breath of all things stuff

[silk rain]

I reread some of the chapters and lineage factors might just be dna

[surreal oriole]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it is. At least one pieces version of DNA

[surreal oriole]

Smells like DNA to me

[sturdy hound]

blueprint to life
and oda talked about how cesar makes smiles in the latest SBS, he said that he extracts the lineage factor from animals and turns it into a solution that is fed to the trees in dressrosa

pretty much DNA

[pure raven]

yea a hybrid, between dna and df like epi genetics in a way

may not directly change the dna but may make chemical alterations to it

you can have modifications of certain like methylations in histones of lysine or arginine or acetylation... lineage factors could mean so many things

our dna doesn't really have as big of an outcome on who we are as we think it does... it depends a lot on what gets packed v.s. what gets unpacked

mutations certainly occur with dfs though

i'm not convinced that that's the only thing that happens though

[normal plume]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the ‘artificial DFs’ are Vegapunks failed DF recreations and that’s what’s Momo ate, it’s different from SAD based Smile artificial DFs

[queen arrow]

as far as we know Momo's fruit is the only artificial fruit made by Vegapunk

[amber oar]

and yes it's something completely different from SMILEs

[modest skiff]

We don't know the extent to which Momo's fruit "failed" and we are technically not 100000% sure it was a failed fruit.

[split stone]

Can Tama tame momo

[modest skiff]

They already clarified this: only smile fruits. But we don't know why it would apply to smile fruits and not Momo's. Smile fruits seem way more shitty than Momo's though.

I think its a simple matter of:

Vegapunk: momo fruit
Gasstino: Smile

Vegapunk is better at what he does, simple as that IMO

[dusky acorn]

I would say Tama can't. It's not like a SMILE where raw animal parts are stuck to Momo's body

[split stone]

Gasstino XD

[dusky acorn]

I also believe it Vegapunk's fruit wasn't a failure. Or if it was, it was just considered one by Vegapunk's insane metric, maybe even to a point where it'd feel like a gag that he didn't consider it successful. Like, maybe the fact that he couldn't make the scales blue like Kaido's

[modest skiff]

If I'm being honest, the comedic value post-arc is too much. I kind of think Tama will control Momo and laugh about it while they are eating their celebration feast

[split stone]

I don't know... I'll feel a little uncomfortable seeing Tama (as a kid) having fun with a childish adult

[gleaming vector]

There is Jewelry Bonnie

She might come to Wano for some reason

[modest skiff]

what reason

[split stone]

There is urouge

[gleaming vector]

We know nothing about her, so it could be any reason

[split stone]

Same would apply to any arc bruh

[modest skiff]

so from that perspective Aokiji could show up since he is uniquely able to walk up the water fall

[gleaming vector]

But it could relate to Wano being important like Kaido said!

[dusky acorn]

Bonney's entire investment is in Marie Jois from what we know about her, Kuma may even be the reason she set out as a pirate

I don't think there's anyone in Wano that she even met besides Zoro

[gleaming vector]

What I'm trying to say is that Momo will have 20 years cut from his lifespan by becoming an adult, and it just seems like such a tragic consequence to him fighting

Bonnie would fix that!

[split stone]

Oh I got what you meant

[modest skiff]

Head canon for me is that every major pirate worth talking about is singularly focused on slitting the throats of every CD. If she's in Wano, its for the same reason Kaido is. Which is still unknown.

[dusky acorn]

We aren't even sure if Bonney's power is a permanent effect on others though, it could be like Marco where the power is less potent when not used on oneself

[split stone]

Yes she could fix it but i don't think Oda's gonna make MoMo sacrificing 20 years of his life just to take it back later, this would be a very bad conclusion and would break the maturity and importance of it

[gleaming vector]

That might be potentially explained in Kaido's flashback

[modest skiff]

Yeah he's adult for good IMO

[gleaming vector]

If that truly does happen, then he will have to do something very important in the raid to make the 20 years lost worth it

[split stone]

Well in an adult body he can train easier, so potentially in the future he could manage to finally wield the ame no habakiri

but that's all, there's nothing coherent he could get besides bigger dragon form and adult body

[dusky acorn]

Unique character concepts are found all throughout the series. A significant character standing out even more by becoming and staying as a childish adult hits the nail on the head for this sort of thing

[gleaming vector]

Yeah but swordsmanship takes a lot of time and training to even be somewhat proficient, so I don't know if he will be able to wield that one in this arc

[split stone]

That's why I said potentially in the future

[gleaming vector]

Is it possible that Momo could use Voice of All Things better as an adult?

[dusky acorn]

Also, I can't imagine the eternal complaints if Momo got this power-up only temporarily for it to be reverted after the fact to remove any possible con

I don't think so, that seems more like a complete mental ability

[split stone]

I don't think so, i think it's like Advanced CoC, he needs to develop and train it

[modest skiff]

Depending on how much Shinobu developed her fruit's strength, lots of things are possible

[gleaming vector]

What if Adult Momo pulls up to Final War by riding on Zunesha

[dusky acorn]

Wano forces helping in the final war is very possible, the borders opening can seem like the set-up for that later on. +1 for that chance if it becomes a Straw Hat allied territory

[split stone]

I think zunesha will be free after Wano, no proofs just personal theory and speculation

[forest rampart]

Won't happen. Momo will lead Zunesha to Raftel if anything

[split stone]

I think the whole ninja-pirate-mink-samurai alliance will show up in the final war, including the 5400 samurais. Add this to the 4500 straw hat grand fleet members and we have 9900 fighters

[modest skiff]

Luffy already allied with Wano + Minks

[dusky acorn]

Okay, that's true,. Luffy being allied with Momo is already by extension an alliance with the civilians and country technically, even if they don't know it yet already

Who we have under Luffy's umbrella for this raid already would be all the ones partaking in the final war again, if it does happen

But civs wouldn't be helping in any future conflict anyways

[formal marten]

I have an idea of what would happen post wano

[modest skiff]

At this point, even ignoring the whole alliance, which was done under the pretext that Momo would be the eventual Shogun, Straw Hat Pirates would be allied with Wano in the deepest way possible once Wano is done anyway.

[silk rain]

Would the final war by WG + Marines against luffy + allies?

[forest rampart]

Once Wano opens its borders, many pirates can now get into Wano. Those strong samurai probably need to stay to protect the country along with Beast Pirates Gifters that have been tamed by Tama.
They might have other roles to be played too.
It is indeed such a waste if they won't join the Final War considering how strong each of them are. But there are also other countries that have been overturned by RAs. I'm not sure if those countries will join the war or not tho.

[summer ermine]

i was just thinking about how when that guys theory of raftel being under ennies lobby, we all had a debate about it for a while.

But im not quite finished with one piece and im on zou and the big dog just said that all the pointers will point to raftell

but youve already passed it he said?

[stuck ore]

That means straw hats completed their journey on a sea train?

[stuck ore]

I dont think he every said that

[summer ermine]

literally just said it

771 i think at 18 or so minutes

772 at 18:34 “you gara people have already left on a journey beyond that point” referencing the one piece e

then it says that once roger reached raftel he had to do it all again so he’s obviously gone passed it

[amber oar]

sorry, what are you talking about?

[stuck ore]

Denies lobby

[stuck ore]

Yup but during enies lobby the log pose was different

The journey will end in east blue

[amber oar]

yes, but is he talking about Inu's words? (I ask because of the "yougara" bit)

[stuck ore]

Yes

[summer ermine]

idrk what’s confusing about it lol

[stuck ore]

Something about him talking about log pose, but that instantly becomes wrong as log pose was different during enies lobby

[weary cliff]

Now that's a take I haven't heard. I wonder if that's consistent with the order we see the Roger pirates depart at the tail end of the flashback

[amber oar]

What Inu meant, is that you aren't supposed to learn about the Ancient Kingdom or the Poneglyphs until the last island on the log pose path (Lodestar). The SHs already know that bit, so they already skipped that part.

[stuck ore]

I mean they entered grand line from east blue so If you go around the globe you will end up in east blue

[modest skiff]

I still think it’s somewhere in the sky or bottom of the ocean

The reason I don’t think it’s on the bottom of the ocean is aokiji would have an easy time reaching it by just freezing water as he goes

[stuck ore]

What one piece?

Its on island that cannot be pointed by log pose, and remember in starting of grand line sh were told, its impossible to navigate around in grand line without log pose

[modest skiff]

Yeah the one piece. At first I thought it was on the bottom of the ocean but after I learned about Aokiji I ditched that theory since he could reach it easily

[weary cliff]

Would that be easy for him? I'm having trouble conceptualizing it

[normal plume]

Hahaha tbh most of the pirates would be super happy if the OP was the city of Gold up in Skypeia. Rogers words “you want my teenager , find it!” Hahaha instead it’s a story and a large homework assignment

Edit: Teenager ahaha they sure found that 😂😅

[modest skiff]

Freeze giant portion, punch a hole in it. Rinse and repeat. Look at what he did at MF in the blink of an eye. He could essentially create a tunnel system through the ocean

[normal plume]

I think it’s at the bottom of the sea too. My reasons are becuase I think it has to do with the sea devil trapped, the one from the myth for the creation of DFs, and it’s presence is what makes the weather the worst around Laugh tale so that you cannot find it unless you know precisely where it is, and also all across the grand line. The Calm Belt and Red belt contain it. Ao Kiji freezing the water doesn’t deter me from that as my main view for now as it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t know exactly where

[weary cliff]

Hmm. I guess I was misremembering his ability to reshape ice. I'm just not sure if it would be necessarily easy. There probably comes a depth where the tunnels become impractical due to pressure. Or at the very least unnecessarily risky

[modest skiff]

When I look at the sheer quantity he can freeze without effort, it’s hard to imagine how much he could if he exerted himself. I think he could make a tunnel the entire way down

[normal plume]

It will be like that but worse, Ao Kiji won’t be able to do find it

[modest skiff]

The feat of strength at MF was just totally nuts

[weary cliff]

Yeah, simply being able to explore the sea floor isn't enough. Submersibles exist after all. It's still an incoveriable amount of fround to cover. And how woukd he look if he's doing so from inside ice? It's literally poking around in the dark

[normal plume]

Yes but the tumultuous weather around Laugh tale would force him to have to keep freezing the area over and over and that’s just the area near it

[modest skiff]

Nothing could ever be risky because he can freeze incredible distances in front of himself

Yeah I agree he can’t find it alone

I’m just saying once he knows where it is, it would be very easy for him. I don’t think it’ll be easy for any power individually

[weary cliff]

I mean if there's an unexpected break in his ice at the wrong place, water could get to him before he can react

[modest skiff]

Based on speed and reaction times with people on the order of admiral, I don’t think so

He could freeze hundreds of meters in an instant at any moment

[normal plume]

The thing is it’s in the worst possible place to find and locate given the horrible conditions around, even freezing he will exhaust himself from the effort of performing his feat at MF over and over. Eventually exhaust himself without much progress to finding it likely

Ahh yea I agree once he knows where it is it’ll be smoother for him to get there

But again nothing in this should deter you from the opinion that OP may be at the bottom of the sea

[modest skiff]

I think it’s possible enies lobby is a gateway to a subterranean area and the one piece might be down there but I don’t think bottom of the ocean

Unless it’s wayyyy deeper than fishman island

[normal plume]

Well have you considered if the geography of the OP world was structured 800 years ago why it is that it seems to be isolating the grand line? And why it is that the grand line has the worst weather, and the NW the worst of it

These things if they were always as they were can go unquestioned but then since the OP world was restructured it opens the thought that it wasn’t always like so, as it is now. I mean the horrible weather conditions across the grand line

And so it’s reasonable as a anything else to think something in the sea Joyboy trapped may be causing this, even more so with our knowledge of the extreme opposition and weakness of devil fruits to the ocean

[fading kraken]

I wanna ask something. Those who say or think that Shanks gonna die before luffy gets One Piece, Will luffy laugh as Roger did when he reached the last Island?

[normal plume]

Luffy he will definitely laugh won’t he

[sturdy hound]

Ray said that luffy’s crew might arrive at a different conclusion, so he won’t necessarily laugh

[normal plume]

Shanks death will set off something or serve some big purpose if it happens. Just like Rogers, and WBs, and Oden ..even Toki ..I wonder if Toki was a D

He may not but I think he will. He is a lot like Roger and especially now

Besides they laughed at Joyboys story, I think the conclusion is different - what you piece together from all the pieces left behind, the story being but one important piece

[ancient vault]

watch luffy be confused cause he cant read

[normal plume]

Hahahaha I think no one expects him to read. I think we’re at our expectation limit hoping he’d listen

[neon shoal]

Does anyone else think Uranus relate sky or something
Like Poseidon, god of sea, located in the sea or fishman island and pluton, god of underworld , might be buried underground or something

[normal plume]

Some even think that large SH in Imus vault is Uranus and can fly

[pure raven]

if Uranus really can do shit like control the sky or weather. I hope Nami gets to use it as a final big powerup or something, tbh.

[neon shoal]

Could be

[normal plume]

There is a hidden weapon in Marie Geois afterall

[normal plume]

Hacked haha with Poseidon and Uranus plus having knowledge about location of Pluton. It’s like playing all the god cards if you get that reference 😂😂😅

[pure raven]

lmao, ikr. That would be crazy.

[pure raven]

I feel like the hat belongs to Joy boy and that Joy Boy was actually a giant (or at least quite huge)(A lot of very big figures in one piece world seem to be huge) But it being a weapon also makes a lot of sense. Just not sure why Im would keep that hat.

[normal plume]

That’s also a pretty strong opinion. It very well could be, maybe a reminder a mind sentimental link

But it’s not as poignant or impactful to the plot if so

[slim moat]

May be Im is/was his girl friend? She is still obsessed with his hat.

[normal plume]

Hahaha and Joyboys pet was a baby Zunisha, got punished to walk forever for being his pet

Imagine Chopper to get some cruel and unusual punishment if caught like that

[neon shoal]

Yeah if hat came from joyboy why would im still be in possession that came from enemy

[normal plume]

He could do it as a reminder, they could’ve been good friends before they differed

[pure raven]

Its really hard to tell what Im plans to do since we dont even know who or what they are. Just that they seem to be the highest authority in the WG above the elder stars. Could be a lot of things.

Okay, crazy theory time: The Void Century Kingdom was a Kingdom full of giants. Giants are very important to the world of one piece (and a lot of humans are quite large). I think what will happen is that after Wano, sometime after Wano, Elbaf will be a short arc (Elbaf gotta pop up as at least an visit) and Elbaf will have the biggest connection to the void century.

[normal plume]

Hahaha I don’t think it’s so crazy. It’d be cool. All we know for sure is they were super smart, so much so they could school Vegapunk. Not really giant style but who knows. Probably mixed nations

[pure raven]

Yeah, could just be a very mixed kingdom which people from all parts of the world could come together on the same island (hahaha, one piece,right?)

I also think they created the Devil Fruit with the strawhat being used for farming. Could be that the strawhat was very common in the kingdom and they devil fruits were grown there.

[normal plume]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-laughing-one-piece-lol-lmao-gif-11559165

Hehehe Joyboy king of the farmers

[pure raven]

Haha, yeah.

[normal plume]

Conventionally yea the SH represents the qualities in Luffy which makes him so pure and I would think like Joyboy: hardworking, humble, simple. If the farmers are the commoners and the SH represents that then in a way the bearer of the symbol of the people is their ruler. A crown of the people’s king

There was this theory that D stood for Demos which I think is “people” in Greek

Ahh the word democracy actually comes from that root word

[pure raven]

Yeah, that is how I imaigne joy boy to be like. A very humble and simple person who probably love adventuring out as well. Not excatly like Luffy but just with those qualities. I imagine when Roger said "I really wish I had been born in the same Era as you"

Feels like he is thinking about how much more simple or better life was before whatever caused it to change so much.

And that is interesting. D standing for "Demos" is an interesting one. hmm

[normal plume]

It’s it’s very radically different from Imus views. When Joyboy and Imus thoughts became more polarized I bet he hatched his plot for power and near immortality. Well this is one way to go if Imu isn’t an extraterrestrial threat or something

And yes I do hope Joyboy is like that

[pure raven]

right, lets stay on topic

[dusty galleon]

Isn't demos the Greek god of pain or something?

[normal plume]

Is he?

[dusty galleon]

No wait that's deimos, demos is "people"

Sorry for the confusion lol

[normal plume]

God of dread and terror

[dusty galleon]

Then who's phobos?

[normal plume]

Hahaha maybe BB is a Deimos

Such creepy images what are you making me search 😂😅

Oda uses all sorts of lore plus Greece or rather Athens is one of the most ancient cities so it could be interesting if the ancient kingdom uses Greek reference

[pure raven]

I cant wait for 2032 when the BB battle starts. 😛

serious question, do you believe the theories about BB having a third fruit?

I doubt.. I feel like he will only have two cause he have two personalities, which I feel is part of the reason he can have more than one DF.

[normal plume]

Yes I think it’s natural to assume if he can have two he can have more. And with all the symbolic reference of cereberus and his ship it could maybe be a sign of some strangeness in his body which allows him to take on 3

3 seems to be a theme with him I think

[pure raven]

ooh

hmm, well, it could happen. If so, I wonder what fruit he will get?

[normal plume]

He’s greedy if he can take it, he will. We don’t have any real reason to think he can only take on two

Hahaha I would love for him to drop in and rob Kaidou of his fruit, but at the same time I don’t want him to get stronger

[pure raven]

yea. Its strange of thinking about him getting an other DF, but who knows. If he does get one more, I wonder what kind of DF would Oda give him. He already have two very OP DF.

Honestly, the whole black beard crew is very interesting.

[normal plume]

Imagine him getting Kizarus. Then he’s perfectly balanced controlling the light and dark, offsetting each weakness

[pure raven]

oh god

[ancient vault]

prob gonna be a zoan

[normal plume]

It’s going to be so satisfying watching him get beaten up. I think after Luffy’s CD punch in Shabondy the most satisfying moment will be when Orochi get wrecked in the worst way. Hopefully boiled too. After that BB being beaten

If a Zoan then Kaidou is prime target when he’s down. Otherwise what if a fruit which amplifies your abilities

Then he could cover whole islands with darkness or even the entire sea

[pure raven]

Hmm, I can see it being a zoan. Black Beard seems to take a lot of pain when he is attacked, tho having high endurance. Perhaps a zoan would help him withstand more pain.

[dusky acorn]

Maybe an ancient zoan, or some kind of mythical creature with regeneration, but perhaps that'd be seen as repetitive of Marco

I guess Bb's amplified pain is why some might want him to get Marco's phoenix in hindsight, but I just can't imagine him with any majestic kind of creature

[pure raven]

yeah, a phoenix dont really fit black beard, honestly.

[normal plume]

Is the darkness one a logia btw?

[pure raven]

yes

[normal plume]

Ah then it’s mostly likely a zoan

[pure raven]

oooh, I see

[normal plume]

He’s trying to go for all three I would think: logia, paramecia, and zoan

I think the myth was each came from a different sea devil or something too..though could ofc just be a myth

[pure raven]

That would actually explain why BB havent gotten an other DF yet despite the timeskip. BB is looking for the one that really suits him (dont blame him.) or he knows of a zoan he wants and is looking for it

since BB was looking for the yami yami no mi as well

[normal plume]

Plans meticulously and takes advantage of every opportunity

[pure raven]

He already had his eyes on the Gura Gura no Mi since he was in whitebread's crew. Just waiting for the right time to get it.

[normal plume]

It’s likely he’ll be dropping by and grabbing himself his zoan from this animal park

Also Marcos fruit makes sense for him but I would be very annoyed

Making the reader more enraged and emotionally invested does seem like something Oda may do also

[pure raven]

not marco. 😦

[normal plume]

You can see it right? Just envelop his body in the blue flames after every hit

[pure raven]

oh god.

I can. The BB battle will honestly probably be the most unfair fight. I am not sure how Luffy will win.

[normal plume]

Honestly it would be terrible..just the worst garbage

But also very possible

[pure raven]

Yeah, those kinds of battle can be annoying. Would rather he get Kaido's fruit.

[normal plume]

I’m more convinced now he’ll get Marcos. It makes more sense for him and also the impact to the reader is going to really be huge compared to Kaidou which is almost satisfying

[pure raven]

true

Marco's death would have quite a huge impact, and it would probably be the point when Luffy starts heading towards their inevitable conflict. Kaido killing an other huge member from the white beard crew. Perhaps Shanks will hear the news and also get involved in the conflict and this conflict would be the beginning of the end (as Luffy have to race to the last island with BB in the way)

this reminds me

Who the hell is Edward Weevil? What role will he have in all of this? He has such an weird introduction

[normal plume]

Yess but maybe getting Marcos fruit would be too hacked ahh

Edward is so weird to be introduced. They’re definitely capping or they believe in false memories or a delusion which is possible with some peoples powers but idk why do it

[pure raven]

I can see Oda doing that but at the same time who knows. It does really make a lot of sense for that to happen but eh, I am not sure how to feel about that one. It would be super hacked and unfair (which I guess BB dont care about a fair fight but still, healing powers)

Weevil, I am not sure what role he will play that will be important.

[normal plume]

What would someone have to gain from claiming to be WBs son?

Especially if WBs supporters are in heavy doubt

[supple anchor]

clout

[normal plume]

And yes Marco does make sense. I think it is hacked but so is the SHs having more than one ancient weapon on their side and potentially the RA. Let’s see let’s see

Well not clout either right as it’s heavy doubt. But I guess quick infamy

[silk rain]

yo wtf is hacked im so confused

[normal plume]

BB taking Marcos DF

[supple anchor]

its heavy doubt among WBs crew, but worldwide WBs name still carries weight. weevil did end up as a shichibukai before they got disbanded

[normal plume]

Easy clout among the more common folk I see

[silk rain]

plus weevil truly believes that he is wbs son, hes not doing it for status or popularity... the mother on the other hand probably is

[supple anchor]

mhmm facts. his mom definitely pulling the strings

[pure raven]

I am not sure what importance Wevill will bring to the story.

[normal plume]

Weevil seems way to simple. It’s almost like Majin Buu and babidi

[pure raven]

lmao, that is so accurate

[normal plume]

Old hags can be so scary in OP

[supple anchor]

Dr. Kureha vibes

[normal plume]

More so the old hag from the Oden flashback Kaidou killed

[pure raven]

I was thinking that maybe t he old lady is actually working for Black Beard and she is using Weevil to manuplate the white beard pirates and destroy them or possible control them. Tho that idea dont fully make sense, just a thought

Weevil looks kind of like an experiment with those sitches.

[normal plume]

Again WB pirates are heavily skeptical of that claim more so then the rest of the world. The purpose is likely using WBs clout around the world for some other purpose

[pure raven]

Yeah, that makes sense. Cause Weevil seems to be the one to be finishing off a lot of the WB pirates in the end.

What if Weevil is actually related to the whole SSG? he do have sitches and maybe old lady has connections to WG.

[normal plume]

Hahaha you know my mind was going there too for some reason strange as it is

[pure raven]

lol

[silk rain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p37tjh/dr_vegapunk_bartholomew_kuma_devil_fruit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Link might be messed up but what do you guys think of this guys theory

[normal plume]

If the old hag is reporting to someone and not her own autonomous agent, then other then another Yonkou it’s to the teams directly under the Gorusei. Though she does seem crafty enough to be working solo and only teaming up with another party. I don’t think WG would team up so then a strong NW pirate

[pure raven]

Hmm. Yea, could just be a strong NW pirate. Who knows. Strange to introduce a villain with no ties to other villain so suddenly, so I am sure Oda has some kind of connection going on, but who knows

[normal plume]

Rocks is an option, maybe the old bag was a recruit who got rejected from WB

I can imagine a small comedic flashback

[pure raven]

oh shit. I feel dumb for not thinking of rocks. lol

[normal plume]

and it seems all my devices are dying so its time to go. @silk rain its a good thought, slowly replacing Kumas parts to determine where the DF power takes host and figuring its the whole self, and in that way it would be integrated into the lineage factor of living things. As for inanimate things though I don't know what their whole self would constitute, but perhaps its at the atomic level. They also have a 'whole self'- these inorganic molecules, wheras the organic molecules form lineage factors which integrate the changes perhaps coded by the patterns on the fruit.

yeaa hes an option because the remnants of that crew will probably take action soon and come to spotlight..and since Weevil and the old bag are a bit random its a sensible tie in

Anyway really fun talk, I missed this

ttyl!

[pure raven]

see ya. ITs been fun talking to you.

[ancient vault]

I do believe tha Bakkins might have been a part of MADS in the past. We're missing a female scientist tbh

[cyan berry]

Why bakkins

She never seemed all that smart to me

Someone like Kureha would make a lot more sense

[normal plume]

Ah I left but then it occured to me to combine the lineage factor theory with the BBs body strangeness which allows him to have 3 DFs potentially to add that perhaps one of his lineage factors is duplicated 3 times in his cells (that happens as a genetic disease with some chromosomes). And perhaps thats why his body can host that many DFs

[heavy apex]

(Theory And A Spoiler)
I have a theory that a logia devil fruit users can eat other devil fruits (paramecia or zoan and maybe other logias). Taking into consideration that the 2 devils actually fight inside the eater's body, how would the paramecia or zoan devil actually hit the logia devil? It can't. Also how would the devil fruit user explode if its made up of lets say the flame flame fruit? Anyways, The logia devil wins and takes the paramecia or zoan devil and makes it a slave or something. Well looking back at Marine Ford we see BlackBeard using WhiteBeard's devil fruit. Some might say it's BlackBeard's rings or that he has multiple souls that allows him to get another devil fruit power. Idk about the ring theory, so it may be true or false, but for the multiple soul theory i think it couldn't work. How would he extract the devil to give to one of his 2 other souls? I can't think of how he would do so. Anyway's back on track. We saw how BlackBeard used the quake powers at Marine Ford, but how did he get the powers from WB? He used his LOGIA devil fruit called the dark dark fruit to take it. But now you ask HOW? It was just pure coincidence that his fruit has the ability to take other people's devil fruit powers. He didn't have to physically eat another fruit. But now you ask why didn't WhiteBeard's devil just find another fruit to respawn in? Well i THINK that the devil stays in the fruit for about 30 mins or 5 mins. I don't know how BlackBeard knew that a devil stays in a corpse for 5 or 30 mins or that he could get a devil from a dead corpse (WhiteBeard). Im just guessing. Now on how some logias can eat other logias. If you remember, some logia devil fruits have a elemental advantage over other logias. I'm pretty sure you can see where I'm going with this. Lets say a light light user eats the dark dark fruit. nothing happens because light is superior to dark. Think about it and let me know. I may just be overthinking this.

[pure raven]

what do you think happens if a devil fruit sinks into the ocean? they dont rot or otherwise decay until someone takes a bite

is it just lost forever

[stuck ore]

It floats probably

[pure raven]

perhaps

[wicked charm]

sinking in the ocean doesnt weaken a df users powers

it weakens the person but not the df powers

[pure raven]

nobody said anything about that

[wicked charm]

yea so it wouldnt rot

[pure raven]

dfs dont rot anyway until someone takes a bite

[wicked charm]

what if a sea king takes a bite of it underwater

[pure raven]

im asking if it were to sink would it just go to another fruit

or just be lost until a fish got it

[wicked charm]

lol theyd be stuck like jack was, unable to move but able to breathe

[pure raven]

eventually theyd get eaten and die and the fruit goes back up

[wicked charm]

good sbs question

[junior cape]

Would a wood-wood man float?

[slim moat]

Let's say Luffy beats Kaido. How Akainu will treat him after this arc? Navy makes huges noise whenever yonko does something. Will Akainu treat Luffy with similar respect?

[cyan berry]

A yonko going down would disrupt the balance the world even further

It's not as much of a good thing for thr marines as you'd expect

It's not like they go to war with yonkos daily

[ancient vault]

Yonkos brought in order. If yonkos are gone youre basically gonna have a lot of minor pirates raiding territories that used to be protected by the yonkos.

That would give marines a lot more trouble

[light onyx]

If brook dies again can he be revived again ?

I mean it’s the revive revive fruit

[elfin cipher]

i'm guessing that Shanks would be arriving at Wano soon.

coz the current crew can't defeat kaido

[visual merlin]

they did just beat all the tobi roppo

[stuck ore]

Imagine the only role you have in story is to stop wars

[grim stone]

that is unknown. Since the fruit ability has only been activated once and enhances the soul to be able to use several different soul-based abilities.

technically, brook should lose the revive fruit since he died. The revive-revive fruit would have only activated once the user dies.

[weary cliff]

You don't lose the fruit. You'd always have the swimming debuff, for example. Unlike other fruits that respawn when you die, because this one only works when you die the first time, it stays with you. Until you bite it a second time

[pure raven]

My personal theory is that the devil fruit is physically there but it will kill brook when someone else eats the fruit thats somehwere in the world

[full thistle]

No Don't want him to be like again this war ends now , and steal the show ,so i highly doubt he will come

I can only guess of bb to come to steal kaido or bm df

[weary cliff]

Brook is actively using the fruit's power when he does the soul stuff. When a fruit respawns, it doesn't grow a whole new fruit, the power possesses one that already exists. So if Brook has the power, another yomi yomi can't exist

[pure raven]

Queation what will happen to momo if shinobu dies or get knocked dowm ?

Will momo turn kid again or the adult effect is permanent?

[sand sail]

The effect is permanent

[grim stone]

As i said, wouldn't Yomi-Yomi's activation also have a side effect on letting his Soul use these abilities? If Brook had is body back in time, it wouldn't have changed the fact he could still use soul related powers.
Anyway, its still not cleared whether the fruit stays after reviving the host or respawns elsewhere (the fandom wiki just states its a 1-time activation fruit) along with a lot others saying its just one time active

Parameica Type that affected his Soul only > then that could imply
as the host technically died

• fruit activated and returned his soul back to the living but also left the host as it died
• his soul being out of his body for so long also led to adaptability of the out of body ability - that brook discovered during timeskip after his soul got forced out of the body once more in a long time)

[weak plaza]

What if….?
Name this Devil Fruit

[outer locust]

Mapu Mapu no Mi

[maiden lynx]

Am I the only one who feel like Luffy will "end up" with Hancock? Like he is asesexual so it would be one sided, but I could see him having a kid with her, Goku and Chi Chi style.

[outer locust]

I don’t know, is luffy really the kind to have a kid.

[maiden lynx]

Ah but what if Boa bribed him with meat?

[rustic elm]

Like goku xd

[maiden lynx]

Exactly.

[outer locust]

Meat for meat huh

[maiden lynx]

The only question remaining is if it were a boy, would it be named Ace, or Meat?

[ember yarrow]

Google maps

[rustic elm]

Actually luffy doesn't know anything cause he's 18 yrs old

Like he is just focus becoming KOP

[ember yarrow]

Brook is a soul
So can brook eat/absorb the homies too?

Maybe he'll become more stronger or obtain their abilities

[maiden lynx]

I mean he has been shown to do more damage to Big Mom than any other character precisely for that reason.

[ember yarrow]

Like fire/ thunder

Brook needs to fight bigmom again

Help law n kidd.

[rustic elm]

Hmmm

[maiden lynx]

I don't think he could beat her, but he could make her vulnerable for someone like Law and/or Kid

[ancient vault]

to her homies. not to her

[rustic elm]

We wish itvhappen but its impossible rn

[ember yarrow]

Brook using fire n thunder will be epic

[outer locust]

Nami*

[scenic thicket]

bellamys fight in dressrosa against luffy is meant to set up for luffy vs a sabo that was kumafied by vegapunk

[near cave]

Hehe kumafied

[pure raven]

can law and kidd defeat big mom

[normal plume]

not in a fair fight

they'll be hacking some way I guess

[calm rover]

kidd would just be a hinderence i think

[normal plume]

no way! Kidds spirit and charisma alone without him doing anything is a big morale boost and asset. He will most definitely contribute significantly

[calm rover]

yeah plot armour help ik

[normal plume]

and nice to see a TTGL fan !

[pure raven]

dont forget the fact that he alrdy punched bm with his punk gibson ( dont know which punk attack )

[calm rover]

if he cannot use haki like others then there arent any strong attacks for him

[normal plume]

that's true but if BM goes in any kind of mental shock, she'll become much more vulnerable to his attacks

[calm rover]

yeah see, kidd needs certain scenario to even fight them

[normal plume]

it is surprising Kidd doesn't have arms..are you sure?

[pure raven]

if bm and kaido rematch happens in that scenario ig kid and law can defeat her

[calm rover]

just to be clear i havent read manga and im only talking on pure spoilers i recieved

[pure raven]

[normal plume]

Kidd would be so powerful with arms, especially when he stockpiles all the metalic weapons and coats them and then launches them everywhere at the target. I think Oda will likely make him learn it this arc if he doesn't know

[calm rover]

he can be op if he awakens

[normal plume]

what would his awakening be?

[calm rover]

shifting poles

like he could change the earths geography and shit

[normal plume]

it is rather interesting

1)he could halt all the pirates from progressing messing up their log poses

2. he could build an ionosphere shield around targets he wishes (like the one around the Earth protecting from solar flares)

[calm rover]

he could be the op version of magneto if he had brains

[normal plume]

3. If the OP world has an ionosphere/magnetosphere he could patch holes in it in places so the place gets wrecked from the suns flares

hahaha yes but you know since Oda has incorporated gravitational and magnetic force, I wonder if he will also have DFs for the strong and weak forces

he probably won't add the nuclear forces, it would be too op

[calm rover]

over powered fruits would be to control particles or atoms

creating new particles at awakening lol

[normal plume]

can't really imagine Oda going there

[amber oar]

I recall the suggestion that Kid may not be using a Log Pose at all

[normal plume]

with his awakening he could cause all pirates to halt in their navigation systems

thats pretty big advantage if in a race

[calm rover]

if he wanted he could change the islands magnetic responses making it invisible to logs

perfect hiding spot

[normal plume]

no one could get there unless they know where it is or stumble upon it. thats pretty cool

and i think he could create a sort of barrier with his fruit too like the magnetosphere

[calm rover]

would honestly want kids fruit only if it is pre awakened

[normal plume]

yeaa but Kidd hasn't been using his fruit like this so far as we know

hopefully he gains 1) arms 2) broadens his DF use beyond only combat 3)wishfully..awakening

anyway since Law, Kidd, and Luffy are on the same island now does it mean they're now taking the same route to Lode Star if they don't deviate.

[pure raven]

kidd is being hoed by oda

[faint flame]

like comment and suscribe for more one peice theorys

[normal plume]

since shabondy: beaten by two yonkou, losing an arm, betrayed, imprisoned

so yes definitely

[pure raven]

and still didnt face kaido

explain to me why kidd would ever not only agree with what luffy said, but not face the dude hes been preparing for this whole arc

[normal plume]

yea..this was the whole point, I am surprised he agreed and decided to separate and go after bm

I suppose the situation was they would all lose definitely if BM and Kaidou stayed together, they didn't have much time to be stubborn and bicker about who will get who. If nothing else Kidd has gone through some character development to realize and take it upon himself and intend to come back perhaps

the whole Killer thing was good for his growth

still more reason to go specifically after Kaidou..I'm also surprised.

there's this saying "the branch that will not bend will break" and so perhaps we are seeing some character development here. maybe he understands SH is the best bet for now for kaidou..idk we will see

[modest skiff]

Oh hell yeah, inject me with this.

[bitter kraken]

Kidd should really be the OP version of magneto but he’s like a junior league with his fruit

[light onyx]

If kid had an awakening would jt be turning objects into metal or would it be everything can be attracted

[fathom matrix]

I can see Kidd actually taking down Big Mom (not fully by himself but ya get what I mean), but just being glad he was involved with taking down Kaido's forces.

And by the end of the raid, I could see Luffy, Law and Kidd being titled as emperors.

So it's like the 5 emporers or 6 (cause some people assumed if Big mom's defeated, she gets her title revoked or she's not as feared, but I'd say she's still a danger, so she'd keep her title, unless she's also killed). As Kaido's getting defeated or killed.

[modest skiff]

My hope is that it just gives him incredible control of electromagnetism to the point where he can create lightning bolts etc

[light onyx]

Hopefully lmao

[lost moat]

Okay hear me out, seeing as Luffy said if we ever need help we will call, and it’s weird that they asked Marco and not the rest of the Grand Fleet Strawhat to come help with Wano. What if, if Onigashima does land and devastate the flower Kingdom. Luffy yells for help, and the Grand Fleet arrives in Wano for the final act.

[bitter kraken]

But who would the grand fleet fight? Most of the heavy hitters already have their matchups and the flying six are getting beat down and it’s not like the samurai or minks need help taking out the fodder. I imagine the members of the grand fleet will be pissed they weren’t called or sum

[scenic thicket]

grand fleet is for the fight vs the CDs

and the destruction of mary geoise

[autumn crypt]

the anchor is usually deep in water and the one piece is linked to the anchor with the rope... it could mean that the one piece is really underwater 😮

typical oda move to hide it in plainsight

[calm widget]

+1 or even Blackbeard makes sense

[lost moat]

Blackbeard would make sense too. I mean I don’t think it needs to be a fight per day, but maybe the grand fleet is there to hell repair since Wano will probs pledge an alliance to Luffy with Monosuke as a big festival

The festival of Joy

[warm folio]

Wait who tf does who’s who’s want to kill

They didn’t say nothing about that in the manga or I forgot .

[sturdy hound]

I would suggest that you read the rules and the channel description before chatting here

[agile stream]

Do anybody even use voice channels in this discord server ? I can’t join one

[bitter kraken]

It was Drake

[gilded night]

damn. what chapter did he say that

[silk rain]

thought it was luffy because 1017 gum gum fruit

I think it was chap 1017 when whos who said that shanks stole the gum gum fruit from him

Oh whos who also wanted to kill drake tho, bc he is a traitor to the beast pirates

[bitter kraken]

I’m pretty sure when who’s who and queen had drake dead to rights he said some stuff about it, umm I think the dude was asking about who who’s who’s wanted to kill from the recent anime episode he was talking about someone in the flying six. So he prolly does wanna kill luffy but he never I don’t think said anything like that or implied it

[foggy rain]

Y’all think shanks gonna die before meeting luffy again?

[weary cliff]

Nope

[plucky kiln]

imagine luffy going to Shanks Grave and saying

"I'm here, I became the pirate king"

And then luffy puts the straw hat on his grave stone

hmm wait, this scenario most likely will happen when luffy visits aces grave at the end of one piece

[light onyx]

At this point I’m convinced the one piece is a poneglyth

Lmfaoooo

[foggy rain]

That’s what I’m saying, I think that’s what was foreshadowing cause in the timeskip first ep after luffy picked up his hat from the tree stone because no animal would ever dare go near the tree

[plucky kiln]

nothing luffy can do anything with

[plucky kiln]

the energy of this straw hat hits different

???, Roger, Shanks, Luffy

and then there is the huge straw hat frozen in marie jois

[foggy rain]

My question is if oda has foreshadowed who’s gonna inherit it , I’ve always wondered why in some of the small arcs where they do flash backs to homes and reactions, they always show makino with her baby which unless it’s detail of character development, there’s like no need to show him unless he serves a purpose somehow imo cause it’s one piece, nothing can really be overlooked

[main cloud]

is jewelry bonney in anyway shape or form related to big mom

i would think its pretty obvious. glutton, pink hair, similar lip patterns

idk what do yall think?

[foggy rain]

My question is why does it seem she was in love with ace

[main cloud]

i mean ace is quite attractive from a girls standpoint lol

would be at least

[foggy rain]

Also as far as related to big mom, I doubt big mom would let that slide cause she uses all her daughters to marry into big families for more influence. I doubt Bonney has the power to actually escape big moms land if she was related to her

[dusky acorn]

The one sure connection we do know between Bonney and Big Mom is that she originally got her ship by stealing it from her, which is why it looks similar to all those mini cakes floating around

[foggy rain]

Nah but like it seems like her n ace hace history

[main cloud]

isnt there an ace manga side story? if so is that sub plot in there cuz i havent read it

[dusky acorn]

It likely means Bonney went into Totland at some point

Anyway there's been theories on a familial Bonney/Big Mom connection for sure, but Kuma's possible blood relation already put a soft wrench in it, and then there's the fact that she comes from South Blue

There'd need to be some good weaving through these details from Oda to make it work

[main cloud]

we wouldnt know her actual age cuz of her fruit so maybe she is as old as big mom or possibly even older. only time will tell

[foggy rain]

Wait it could be that she’s actually her daughter and ace helped her escape after making it to Toto land just like he made it to wano and promised to help otama and Yamato

[main cloud]

damn ace kept making promises he couldnt complete

ig its up to luffy now

[foggy rain]

If luffy is taking Rogers place I wonder who’s the next white beard

[dusky acorn]

Okay, to get this straight. You think Bonney is tied by blood as Big Mom's daughter while Kuma, who is likely family tied to Bonney himself, does not have a biological tie of his own to Big Mom. In that case, the main way to make this work out is I guess he would have to've been one of her husbands?
I could see why Big Mom would want to marry Kuma, he's someone who comes from high status of his own, it perfectly fits the bill for those political marriages.

The last big detriment to this theory's scenario though is that if Bonney is truly a young person, then whoever "Connie" is, should be Bonney's actual mother. So, we potentially already know who her mom is

[forest rampart]

If Connie is her mom, so where's the real queen? Shouldnt she be attending the Reverie? Or did something happened to her? Perhaps Bonney did smth to her?
Could simply be that she's dead too.

[foggy rain]

Honestly

I think all the supernovas not in wano or the revereie don’t hold much relevance to the story anymore

I can’t exactly picture bege or the monk holding relevancy anymore

[pine hemlock]

We’ve not visited Urouge Yet,he’ll be important

[foggy rain]

Trueee

I’m siked for ussops elbaf arc

I wonder if it’s actually shanks territory

[forest rampart]

Elbaf arc might take between 3-5 years max.
If it's the last island that SHs will visit, it's natural to assume that Shanks will appear in Elbaf since we're getting closer to the ending.
A bit of my guess of who we'll see in Elbaf:

• Supernovas (not every of them, esp Bonney since she was busy with her own mission at Mariejoa)
• Shanks Pirates
• Blackbeard Pirates
• Maybe also Kuzan
• Weevil
• CP0 (Lucci)
• CP9?? (There's only Who's Who as an ex member but I'm not sure if he'll come. Imo he's probably has some relevance to be there -to spill some more big secret to SHs)

Will they come?

• Big Mom Pirates
• Marines

(I'm probably missing a few more here)

[pure raven]

dont forget Loki

[cedar sinew]

but it won't be the last island the shs visit

[pure raven]

If Elbaf is a full arc, I feel like it will be connected to the WG. We havent had an arc focusing on shady WG stuff since punk hazrd, I dont think

[cedar sinew]

I don't really see any of the people/groups you mentioned coming other than a supernova(s) as there seems to be at least one or more involved since punk hazard

[pure raven]

Weevil wont appear unless the white beard pirates are there, so it is unlikely he will appear. We wont see CP0 again for a while, but who knows.
Shanks is likely.
Black Beard could appear anywhere, its hard to predict him.

[forest rampart]

What is the last island then? Lodestar? Even if it'll be Lodestar, I don't think there'll be any fight on the island.

[pure raven]

same

I feel like Elbaf will honestly be the last island before the Laugh Tale arc

or before the Black Beard Battle

[cedar sinew]

i mean laugh tale is the last island. There can easily be a final fight there

[gilded night]

i personally dont think they're gonna go to lodestar

[pure raven]

Isnt lode star just a really small island anyway? Dont seem to be much there. I doubt there is much to really do on that island besids being the last major clue for Laugh Tale.

[forest rampart]

I don't think there'll be any fight at LT either

[modest skiff]

we know essentially nothing about Lodestar, we don't have reason to assume SH won't go there

[pure raven]

oh, there will be. Laugh Tale will be the beginning of the final war.

[cedar sinew]

we dont know anything about lodestar

[modest skiff]

There's no way Lodestar ends up being some insignificant thing

[gilded night]

probably will

roger only went there cuz he thought it was the last island

[pure raven]

yeah, you right. There is no way for us to really know. I kind of doubt, or it will at least be a very small island.

[modest skiff]

shrug, i got no info and neither do you, so not much we can say to speculate lol

[cedar sinew]

then what is luffy gonna do?

magically figure out where laugh tale is?

luffy is essentially in the same situation as roger was. It's the last in line in terms of the log pose so why would he purposefully avoid it

[forest rampart]

Addition to
Will come?:

• Marco
• Izo? (lesser possibility)

Don't know about their whereabouts:

• Vista? + Jozu?

[gilded night]

road poneglyphs

[cedar sinew]

there could be a road poneglyph at lode star

[pure raven]

I feel like lodestar island will be just a couple or few chapters long

I am counting lodestar as part of the Laugh Tale arc, honestly.

Just guessing, I dont know anything.

[forest rampart]

More like road poneglyph in Elbaf since people speculate that it'll be Shanks Arc

[cedar sinew]

also if youre assuming elbaf is the final "battle" arc, then everything including marine fight, revos, cps, blackbeard, bm/kaido (if they survive), shanks need to be resolved there

[forest rampart]

There'll still be final war

[cedar sinew]

where

[gilded night]

laugh tale

[forest rampart]

at Mariejoa, after SHs returns from Laugh Tale

[pure raven]

that is more likely and if there those White Beard captains are there, it adds to the chance of Weevil appearing. Marco is going to have to deal with him at some point.

[cedar sinew]

would be anticlimatic having a final war after the essential goals of the story have been achieved

(pirate king, one piece, circumnavigation, etc)

[gilded night]

this too, but i do think th SHs will fight bb at laugh tale

[gilded night]

a new goal could appear

[modest skiff]

I personally think the One Piece is a means to an end rather than an end in itself. I think there will be tension after they find the one piece

[gilded night]

roger said he was too early didnt he

[pure raven]

I disagree. I feel like once the One Piece is discovered, it will moivate the straw hats to want to change the world or do something big

[cedar sinew]

a "new goal" isnt gonna do shit compared to the premise built up for 1k+ chapters

[pure raven]

The One Piece is part of something bigger that needs to be done.

[gilded night]

it will tho

you think magically finding the one piece is gonna solve all the problems in the world?

[cedar sinew]

no

[pure raven]

I think this "new goal" will honestly make the One Piece treasure have even more meaning. Adds on to what it means to be "The Pirate King"

[cedar sinew]

why would the shs need to solve all the problems in the world

that was never anyones dream

[forest rampart]

Why would SHs fights anyone at LT? There'll be only one Pirate King, Luffy said this. And whoever make it to LT will be the Pirate King. All fights need to be settled before that. It's called Yonko Saga. Everyone: Yonko + Supernovas, are fighting for the one throne of becoming PK

[gilded night]

cuz of the one piece itself

reyliegh said something in sabaody

[cedar sinew]

what is the one piece? Why do you speak in absolutes when we pretty much know nothing. At least come up with a hypothesis instead of being vague

all rayleigh said was that the shs may come to a different conclusion

[cedar sinew]

reachign LT isn't the one and only requirement

finding the one piece is actually a much better qualification imo

[pure raven]

Black Beard makes sense, imo. Black Beard and Luffy will have to finish their fight there. I am sure Black Beard will also make it there too, tbh.

[cedar sinew]

and a fight to do that could happen at laught ale

[forest rampart]

WB said when someone found the One Piece, the world will turns upside down. Someone will appear to carry the 100 year century on his back. And when the person did, it'll lead to a big war.

[pure raven]

yup. Just from White Beard, we have a pretty good idea of how things may play out after the one piece is find. White beard says "When someone finds the one piece". Not before.

[forest rampart]

It has to be "someone". Just one person, so no two pirate kings whatsoever

[cedar sinew]

do you have the panel for wb saying after finding one piece there will be a big war

[forest rampart]

It was before WB said One Piece does exists speech. I'll try to find it

[gilded night]

and that as of now they cant change anything, meaning that it most likely reveals something big about the WG and the history of the world

so im assuming by the time luffy finds it that is when they can do "something about it"

and that he came at the time right unlike roger

[pure raven]

Marineford pretty much hints at the stuff that will happen after One Piece is find. Marineford is pretty much just a huge peak at how the final war may play out, tbh

Its not even a hint. It outright says it

[cedar sinew]

roger was too early because of shirahoshi

[gilded night]

yeah lol

[cedar sinew]

we know the reason

[gilded night]

and your point is?

[cedar sinew]

my point is that it has nothing to do with the shs solving all the problems in the world lol

[cedar sinew]

so do you think shs vs bb will happen before the "final war"

or is that part of the final war

[pure raven]

hard to say, tbh

I can see BB playing a huge role in the final war, tbh.

[cedar sinew]

I find it hard to believe that shs vs bb happens after laugh tale.. when it's their mutual goal

[pure raven]

Welp, the show keeps foreshadowing the final war and after the one piece being find. I just think One Piece is part of a larger goal that Luffy wants to achieve, tbh.

[forest rampart]

BB will come to Elbaf. BB will finally fight Luffy and Shanks in Elbaf

[gilded night]

by solving the worlds problems i mean taking down the WG. and shirahoshi might play a major part in doing so

[cedar sinew]

I'll agree that the fight with the marines (if it does happen with the shs and not the revos) may happen after LT, because by then I assume the truth of the VC will be out as WB references. It'll probably cause rebellions and whatnot. Still feel that Luffy vs BB is a bigger scale battle and what I consider the "final war". I don't know how BB will be related to the marines battle AFTER shs find one piece. Feels fitting to happen before

[gilded night]

it will probably be the revos and shs vs the WG

[pure raven]

I remember an interesting theory someone made here that Black Beard will become the pirate King and Luffy will have to fight him again, while he is the pirate king in the final war. I cant remember if he said BB would be helping the WG (by sending luffy in I think)

I doubt that would happen, unless it really benefitted the WG and BB.

But I can see Luffy losing and BB becoming Pirate King, tbh. Probably be his biggest defeat.And Luffy would have to defeat Black Beard for the one piece and title of "Pirate King"

It probably wont happen and I imagine a lot of people would probably be upset, but I can see it happening as well.

[gilded night]

and much much more people

i think the luffy vs BB battle will happen at laugh tale

and the winner will go on and become the pirate king

[pure raven]

My own theory about BB is that it will be the last big battle before Laughtale and BB will be the last major road block to the island, honestly.

[gilded night]

which will probably lead to the final war which is the the WG vs the SHs, the SH grandfleet, the revos and a lot more pirates

[forest rampart]

Oda could make the same antagonists/villains to appear again. Like Enel will definitely appear again, but not at the Great War tho. Crocodile was doing smth with his new organization. He could appear in the war if not in Elbaf. There are a few more villains that are still relevant even if they didn't interact directly with SHs. Take Doflamingo for example.

[gilded night]

anyways gn ya'll

[pure raven]

See ya

[pure raven]

I doubt Enel will return. I dont see why he would return to the earth. He got what he wants. I can see Crocodile appearing again. We will probably see Doflamingo again...as a loony beaten up prisoner. He wont be doing much.

[forest rampart]

It was stated in Vivre Card or smth that Enel is preparing for smth. And Enel himself said that he'll return again during his departure to the Fairy Vearth/ Moon.

[pure raven]

in a Vivre Card? I dont remember that. I remember him being on the moon but nont the Vivre card thing

[forest rampart]

I think the info was from The Library of Ohara. Even if you want to ignore the first part, Enel did said he'll come back

[forest rampart]

From Vivre Card Databook Vol 8

[chilly dragon]

Inb4 Enel comes back and is thunderstruck when he sees Nami with the Clima-tact staff and the ability to control lightning, being like a female mirror to himself.
Double points if he wants to take her as 'his woman' again.

[bitter kraken]

If enel comes back I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s mastered armament haki to an extreme degree, to make sure he can’t easily be physically hurt again

[modest skiff]

I think it’s quite a long time before Luffy encountered someone as strong as Enel after Skypea

[supple anchor]

aokiji was pretty soon after, although he is a few levels above enel

and luffy got clapped

[modest skiff]

Yeah I suppose I mean people he fought

I wouldn’t consider Aokiji’s interactions with Luffy at that stage even counting as a fight xD

[supple anchor]

lmao true

more like a beatdown

[pure raven]

sorry for late reply. I took a break from PC, but that is very interesting

[stuck ore]

"Prepares his next move"

I just want him back even if it is not important to story

[silk rain]

it would probably be like a gag lol

[modest skiff]

Enel is the only reason we know there are space pirates. There's no way he's just a gag. There was serious world building through those covers

[deft sundial]

i wish i had known those cover stories were canon, i switched to the manga after catching up with the anime

Im prob gonna have to read the cover pages of chapter 1-980 to be on the same page

[ancient vault]

you can read through them on the wiki

not every chapter has a cover story

[deft sundial]

ah i see

i will have to do that soon. after catching up today i feel like i can finally access the wiki

[stuck ore]

Yeah some covers are requested scenes

[elfin cipher]

nah. he'll arrive and defeat kaido. not gonna stop wars. he has to come to save luffy. there's no way they're gonna be able to defeat kaido and big mom.

[ember trench]

He did not say he would return. That’s a bad translation.

His next move is probably just taking back the moon or something

[sinful wedge]

Is Kaido just a human?

[stuck ore]

Yes

[fathom matrix]

What if the new weapon vegapunk's working on is something like an anti-devil fruit weapon or a new pacifista model that's better at handling devil fruit users? Cause I think a good chunk of the warlords were DF users, the emperors and their pirates groups are too.

So it seems fitting that they'd not only upgrade them, but maybe use sea prism unfused tech to have them be more capable?

[stuck ore]

Thats called haki

For warlords there will be mihawk with his monke army

[sinful wedge]

I kinda agree all the cues from his den being a big ass demonic skull to him recruiting failed ancient giants gives more credence to the fact that he's probably just a human

that'd be the more exciting option too

[fathom matrix]

I get ya, haki can counteract yes, but not exactly weaken them or drain their powers.

[stuck ore]

Yeah in op the characters just have huge bodies

[stuck ore]

Hmm I see franky achieving that sea stone thing b4 vegapunk tbh

[fathom matrix]

I can see him doing something like that, but Vegapunk's seems a step ahead when it comes to stuff like that, so I can see Franky getting an idea from his stuff

[stuck ore]

Can be true

[idle oxide]

What about this, Theory

Marco joins the Heart Pirates

[agile tangle]

Apparently he's part of an unknown race cause of his horns

[vestal bone]

!horns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/703457603887300608/unknown.png

[fathom matrix]

TBF, there are long arm humans, long leg humans, third eyes, and tall humans, and there actually have been humans IRL with horns (as horns are made from the same materials as nails and hair), so I guess horned tribes or whatever are whatever, natural, etc

[light onyx]

Tbh i think Blackbeard is the only person that can absorb another devil fruit

Maybe.cuz of his devil fruit

Cuz you know we don’t know what’s in the darkness and black holes suck in everything and yh

[forest rampart]

You're right. It's either I read a bad translation or remember it wrong.

[ember trench]

Ye Enel doesn’t really have any interest in the White Sea or blue sea

[lapis prairie]

There's the theory that two people reside inside BlackBeard. It's why he doesn't sleep, and is why he can hold two Dfs

[light onyx]

Lmaoooo

Absorbing ppl ? With his darkness fruit ?

Actually that doesn’t sound terrible

[kindred swift]

i agree

Luffy and Zoro referred to him as "they"

it could have a deeper meaning

[amber oar]

I've seen this discussed to death.
The most reasonable conclusion is that they perceived Teach wasn't alone, as the rest of the crew were around the island making noise from the background

[lapis prairie]

No, it was before that. When WB and Roger met it was revealed that Teach never slept even then

[bitter kraken]

Anyone else think BM’s crew isn’t even going to get involved in the war? The straw hats and allies are gaining ground but taking heavy damage at the same time, if BM’s kids jump in they’ll be in full health and at full power so who will fight them?

[lapis prairie]

Marines/CP0

Or they'll take BM and f off

[light onyx]

Oh right cuz snowy country ppl never sleep

[fleet echo]

truly ahead of their time, blackbeard is non-binary as wants to be referred to as "them"...obviously

(also the idea is maybe that zoro and luffy noticed blackbeard's crewmates, since they already met the lot of them beforehand, separately, I think)

[supple anchor]

mhmmm i think thats the thing. at that point in the story we didn't even know that was blackbeard, he was just some random guy who loved cherry pie. its only at the end when luffy and zoro have left that we realize that was blackbeard and the other weird people in Jaya were part of his crew.

[modest skiff]

And Luffy/Zoro have always been able to inherently sense strength. BB and his crew stuck out like a sore thumb from that perspective.

[fading thorn]

why did the 1022 channel disappear

[night jewel]

because you had the no spoilers role, i removed it now

[fading thorn]

oh i didnt know i had the role, ty

[acoustic helm]

See the fountain are placed like an eye

[weary cliff]

I don't see that, no

[slim ravine]

I think that Uranus is a place. My research leads me to believe it’s either Laugh Tale or the Ancient Kingdom itself. But a piece of me thinks it’s God Valley.

[pure raven]

I always assumed it was maybe hinting that maybe he had multiple personalities.

or something, which is related to him having more than one DF

[limpid sequoia]

it's literally just them refering to BB's crew that we see right afterwards

[scenic thicket]

devil fruits are a 1:1 container to power ratio i think it goes beyond multiple personalities and he has more than one container, body, or heart

[bitter kraken]

I thinks it’s something deff weird about his body physically to be able to hold two DF’s, nothing spiritual or psychological because at the war Marco said something about BB having a weird body or sum like that and I don’t think he meant him just being fat ya kno?

[scenic thicket]

nahh, nami was specifically referring to the blackbeard she saw before her knowing information. BB has been shown to know a lot of info abt the world i doubt his crew does

[limpid sequoia]

they quite literally see BB's crewmembers (the Doc and Jesus) fucking around 2 chapters before the panels you are referencing, it isn't that complicated

[sacred hawk]

I have a theory about Apoo's devil fruit. What if all it does is let you turn your body into instruments? And the actual effects of the power are just possible with any instrument?

And then Brook learns how to do the stuff that Apoo does

[bitter kraken]

Brook can’t learn that, because Apoos abilities are of his fruit which brook dosnt have

[split stone]

What if instead of Luffy as everyone thinks, momonosuke would be the one to become joy boy

[modest skiff]

The only thing that makes me entertain the possibility of Momo being Joyboy is the fact that Oden clearly was under the belief that he was 100% essential for opening Wano. He did not think Momo was an option. Oden is dead. If the prophecy or whatever is right, it means a Kozuki other than Oden makes some unique contribution to the pursuit.

If Oden read about Joyboy, and it sounded like Luffy, Oden would have also thought he himself was Joyboy. I think its entirely possible Oden thought he was joyboy, or the new joyboy, or something of that nature. So that leaves Hiyori and Momo. Since we don't know why Oden thought he was essential, it is hard to say. But if Oden thought it had to be him rather than his kids, it implies it has to do with being powerful in some way. He maybe assumed Momo would never be like him since they have different personalities. Maybe Momo grows into it. who knows

[forest rampart]

What kind of guardian deity is this? Anyone knows?

[sturdy hound]

it's supposed to resemble the miyō (wisdom king)

it's the same deity hyogoro talked about in reference to luffy's boundman

[limpid sequoia]

do you think there was more hidden meaning behind that statement by Hyo? Maybe with all the talk of guardian deities recently with Yamato idk, but I hope it comes back up again.

[weary cliff]

My crack theory is this is Nika/Joyboy

[limpid sequoia]

I think if that were meant to be a Sun God we would have been hinted at it before the WW reveal

[weary cliff]

To Wano, he could just be a guardian. Similar to the sword god, Ryuma

[sturdy hound]

i think it's just a general theme, "battle of the gods". the poeple of wano view kaido as a god, and kaido had the word "miyō" used in a couple of places including the tori gate before onigashima and some flags at onigashima's entrance. one of his attacks was related to it as well. luffy resembles the same form, yamato has a fruit of a god, momo has the same fruit as kaido. it's just thematic imo

[forest rampart]

Yea but too many myoo things right? I dont know which one would that "G4 Luffy" refers to there

[sturdy hound]

yea that's true

one of kaido's attacks referred to a specific myō

god of the three realms or smth

[sturdy hound]

this attack is the one that references the myō, it has the first half for 降三世明王 (conqueror of the three worlds) which is one of the myō

[modest skiff]

which chp this from

[sturdy hound]

1009

[forest rampart]

Google result of 降三世明王 shows images of "Zoro's asura form"

[sturdy hound]

What lmao

It must be some theory taking about it and zoro’s asura

[forest rampart]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailokyavijaya

that "zoro's asura form" i meant..

[sturdy hound]

oh lol

[shadow umbra]

I think usopp is Nika

This little infographic somebody made is cool

I heard that Nika is also joyoboyo which is an African story and usopp is supposed to be African

[modest skiff]

I still firmly believe Zoro legitimately does summon demons/spirits or something

[bitter kraken]

Who or what is nika? I don’t think I ever heard or read that name in the manga or anime

[modest skiff]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Nika

[bitter kraken]

I figured the god who disappeared joined Iva’s peeps

[neon shoal]

What is the apocalyptic weapon golden lion stated to roger?

[heady parrot]

think it’d be a crazy twist at the end if Usopp becomes interim captain of the straw hat pirates and returns to Fishman Island wearing Luffy’s strawhat and destroys fishman island and sets the slaves free in sabaody and mariejois. it would make his lie of being captain come true and would fulfill the prophecy of someone wearing a strawhat destroying fishman island. it would also then make Usopp joyboy/nika and would be a cool misdirect by Oda. since i feel like Usopp is more the character to take on a proud fate filled destiny than Luffy who wishes to be the freest man in the sea and being a vessel of fate could but may not necessarily dampen that feeling.

[bitter kraken]

I think Shiki was talking about Poseidon, as in roger learned about it?

[neon shoal]

Hmm I see

Thanks

[modest skiff]

Which Shiki stuff is canon? Its not clear to me what is and isn't canon about Shiki

[neon shoal]

What do you mean?

[amber oar]

Chapter 0

[modest skiff]

TIL there is a chapter 0

[open turret]

what do you guys think about the theory franky is actually gol d roger son

[amber oar]

Sounds like a terrible idea

[errant silo]

Lmao that makes 0sense

[silk rain]

I thought that was bc he is strongest in land, sea, and air. but its cool if this is a reference to something else, might look into it more later

[sturdy hound]

Yea it’s one of those things that get lost in translation

[pure raven]

Nika wearing a skirt and breaking gender stereotypes

[pure raven]

I think some guy edited the wikipedia page for joyoboyo to include nika as a name cuz idk lol

[shadow umbra]

Oh don't take my theory too serious

I just want usopp to be Nika

[pure raven]

Heres an archive

[pure raven]

Yeah, i was only talking about the joyoboyo stuff lol

[shadow umbra]

Ohhh I see

[pure raven]

Doesnt the channel description say "serious theories only" though?

[shadow umbra]

Im being serious I just don't want others to take it seriously

[pure raven]

I dont understand what that means, but oki doki

Ah crap, did i break the rule too?

[shadow umbra]

What I'm saying is I didn't explain too much so people might get riled up at times

[ancient vault]

its fake

[pure raven]

crap

You sent that image in the m:morj:rj server right lol?

[ancient vault]

yeah lmao

i send it here

I think. Someone edited thhe wiki page

[pure raven]

Now im a criminal wanted for spreading misinformation

[ancient vault]

its fine

[pure raven]

Wait didnt ya just say it was fake or something? Kay, this is confusing me, goodbye then!

[ancient vault]

Its fake yeah. If you check the original wiki page someone edited it when th3 chapter dropped

[pure raven]

So its not fake then if someone actually did it
I think i was saying that someone edited the nika part in despite not being really the case, but ig i wasnt clear enough

[ancient vault]

Basically what im saying is that the name nika didnt exist. Joyoboyo was never called nika

[pure raven]

Yeah i think i might have said that? So then my crimes are withdrawn and i'm free from prison? Yaaaaaay!!! :D

[ancient vault]

[ancient vault]

I didnt see that

[pure raven]

Possibly egg on rogers ship ?

Couldnt have been poseideion as roger found all about it while traveling with oden and supposedly he never fought with shiki while oden was onboard or after coming back from laughtale
As the entire crew separated

And shiraoshi wasnt even born at that time .

[acoustic helm]

Mermaids don't come from egg

It should have been king's species maybe

Just type it zoom

[slim moat]

I am reading some good Hancock theories. One thing that stood out for me is, so far, it's Luffy who helped others who in turn become his friends later. Only Hancock and Bentham situation is quite opposite to it. They helped Luffy. May be another prison break is in cards.

[acoustic helm]

Pheww

Luffy breaking in impel down again would be gr8 ,but do we have enough chapters to make it

[slim moat]

Just speculating. It doesn't have to be repeat of Impeldown arc.

[acoustic helm]

May be luffy just slams a hole in impel down.. taking everyone to fight CD

With in 2-3 chapters everything wrapped up in impel down

[foggy rain]

Any solid theories goin on?

[autumn crypt]

So we can't talk about Robins devilfruit powers because the mods think it's not serious

[past river]

You posting 'robin can sprout boobs. robin>nami' is neither serious nor a theory.

So this channel is not the place for it.

[autumn crypt]

Well does the question if she can sprout her boobs not make this serious anymore? I think a lot of people asked themselves if she can do it

And this confirmed it by oda but you deleted it

It's like we can't talk about luffys gear 4th because he will get huge muscles and a girl will delete my post

[past river]

Whether any devil fruit in the series works on genitals or not is not a 'serious' theory. Whether you are serious about wanting to know the question for whatever reason you may does not make it or the theory or conversation serious.
If you can't phantom with your brain why talking about genitals isn't considered a serious conversation about the world of one piece and what might be hidden in it then you are not in the right place.
This is also not the place to confirm facts confirmed by Oda. This is a "theory" channel, if it has a conclusive answer then it's just a fact

[autumn crypt]

Boobs aren't genitals

[foggy rain]

[autumn crypt]

They are reproductive organs

[worldly anvil]

Horny think he's being smart

[past river]

breasts aren't reproductive organs, if they were they would also be genitals.

Now

is that the basis of why you think you should be allowed to say it here?

[foggy rain]

My question is why even ask what robin can do with her boobs it literally holds 0 relevancy to the story of one piece lmao

[autumn crypt]

If this is not the place to confirm facts by Oda what place then? This is literally about discussing theories

[past river]

Yes theories

do you know what a theory is?

brother

I'll be real with you

You're being a weirdo

we don't want people talking about the boobs or genitals of these characters

it's weird

[foggy rain]

It’s not a theory homie it’s just u wanting to imagine robins boobs . There’s r34 all over the internet just do that instead of coming to discord lmao

[past river]

makes people comfortable

now had you posted this fact somewhere else

it would have just gone by and I wouldn't have said anything

but this is a place to discuss real theories with effort put behind to discover oda's hidden messages

[autumn crypt]

I'm just pin pointing out fun facts so if anyone asks himself what her devilfruit abilities can he knows that she can literally sprout any bodypart don't make it so perverted

[past river]

whether robin can or can not sprout boobs is not the type of conversation we want in this server and specifically not in this channel

[past river]

nothing perverted but because she can do it you said 'robin>nami'

stop acting dumb

Drop this conversation

You know what is allowed and not allowed now

[foggy rain]

Ok but on the note of actual theories I wonder what black beards ultimate motive is besides the surface level of rule the world with his powers and one piece

[autumn crypt]

We let the community decide

Not a feminist

[past river]

Unfortunately for you that's not how it works

anyway, seems like you're just generally a weird and unlikeable human being

so bye

enjoy talking about boobs somewhere else

[worldly anvil]

Hydra with the ban

[foggy rain]

Did u ban him lmao

[past river]

I would expect his motives to be related in some way to him researching history.

[worldly anvil]

What do you guys think about BB having multiple personalities?

[foggy rain]

Honestly same but I wonder if he’s on the same or similar mindset and motive as orochi with like having a disgraced past and wanting revenge just turned up to the max yknow?

[ancient vault]

Why did he argue so long about it instead of just going to another channel 💀

[foggy rain]

Tbh I don’t see that being the case cause we’ve never seen any instance of him being nothing more than greedy hateful or power hungry

[glad rain]

Wouldn't that make Robin his number one target from way back?

[worldly anvil]

hmm

[foggy rain]

That would be the obvious route but obvious doesn’t really apply to BB , I mean he got 2 devil fruits and we still don’t even know how

[glad rain]

He doesn't really seem to care even about poneglyphs the way other crews are after them

[past river]

If he lacks information then robin would be a good way to get some but since we don't know blackbeard's past before whitbeard he could very well have other means to acquire knowledge or previously already learned of that knowledge. Possible also that the history he is researching isn't related to the void century.

[slim moat]

BB may not be interested in One piece. What if he already knows about it?

[foggy rain]

What if he’s connected to the celestial dragons

[glad rain]

Can't rule out that possibility, his past may have been altered because of the celestial dragons, perhaps he holds a grudge or smt

[worldly anvil]

I means.... at this point anyone would want to kill the CD

[foggy rain]

I mean there’s some that speculate shanks is a celestial dragon so what if BB is one too but like the shitty side of them . I mean shanks has ties to Norse mythology and in Norse mythology a wolf takes the god of justice tyrs hand

[glad rain]

He is clearly interested in DF history. He even owns a guide on what each fruit is about. I don't think i've seen another character so fixated on them

[foggy rain]

Who’s on top of the world rn to u guys

Shanks or bb?

[glad rain]

Literally or metaphorically ?

[foggy rain]

Both

[glad rain]

Neither of them i think

[pure raven]

Imu

[foggy rain]

Fair point

[ancient vault]

Im is

[foggy rain]

Huh?

Oh you mean imu ?

[ancient vault]

Imu Im whatever

[foggy rain]

Yeah I know I should’ve clarified I meant more the pirate world

[pure raven]

Neither

[foggy rain]

Who y’all think then

[ancient vault]

Only one I can think of is Kaido ut I wouldnt say hes on top of the world either

[pure raven]

Luffy on the rise, but as far as yonkos go I don't think any of them are on the top I think it's relatively balance since neither of each force has this big advantage it has on another crew. They all kind of lay low individually. But if you were asking me who I think the strongest is: I would probably assume BB because he's shrouded in the most mysterious and is just full of surprises.
Although he probably has the worst haki of the 4, I think someone as dirty and cunning as him would have a means of defeating them

[foggy rain]

Bro really pinged me n started spittin fax , you onto something

[pure raven]

Worst haki

He couod turn out to be one of the best user of it cant say now for sure

He was able to sense luffys haki 4 me it could be a major oda thing as he hide big thing into small facts

Whetger it be kaidos df being fish or kozuki clan intoruced way back everything connects later on

Waiting for bb to be one of the best haki user

[weak flicker]

So is it okay if I posted a mega thread of a fan manga here that discusses a bunch of theories?

It’s actually pretty high-quality stuff.

[covert hazel]

Is it return to the reverie?

[pure raven]

idk about that lol might be a bit of a stretch. I only assume he has possibly the worst haki because of how slow he is reacting to attacks from (Ace, Luffy, Magellan, and half dead WB)
He also takes damage very easily so I don't see a whole lot of durability with armament.
With conquerors haki he was being a coward when WB was about to kill him and he hided in WB shadow for 20+ years, so just not something that feels very 'kingly' from just personality and actions @pure raven

[weak flicker]

Yep.

[foggy rain]

I wouldn’t mass spam it but yeah share bits of it so people give opinions

[covert hazel]

Return to Reverie is nice, most people here read it. I'd post a specific theory from it to discuss

[weak flicker]

I’m just hoping I don’t get some kind of warning and have them deleted.

[foggy rain]

Yeah that’s why I don’t suggest mass spamming

[covert hazel]

Personally, I think Greenbull being Spanish is a good theory

[teal nymph]

but does it mean / add anything ?

[foggy rain]

Think his name would’ve been verde something then

[weak flicker]

I like their interpretation of him, but I don’t necessarily see it as entirely plausible. Spanish, sure, but his looks and personality are still up in the air.

[covert hazel]

No, I just think its funny

[foggy rain]

Tbh I forgot all about his existence till u guys brought him up

Watch it be some bs like dragons brother or something 😭

[covert hazel]

As for the other things about RtR, it's palpable the whole time that it just isn't one piece

[foggy rain]

That might get u warned

[covert hazel]

Nah don't worry about it

Mods here are reasonable. As for the flashback, it ties into the Rocks having the water df theory which I really dislike

[foggy rain]

What are ur guy’s opinion on shanks dyin to bb before meeting luffy

[teal nymph]

r these panels from the manga ?

[weak flicker]

Fan-made manga. Return to the Reverie by Artur.

[teal nymph]

kk i just felt something was off

[weak flicker]

I wouldn’t bet on it.

[weak flicker]

Yeah, though I definitely think the part with WB joining up with Garp and Roger was true.

[teal nymph]

some of it is true like the crew disbanding and all but i think it happened after roger & garp beat rocks

[covert hazel]

I can defs see that

[pure raven]

Why is a water df considered the strongest though? Aokiji fruit would be an easy counter and unless it's sea water it wouldn't really be able to nullify DF. Because only BB so far is the only one to actually be able to just nullify df

[pure raven]

I think it's too predictable and not consistent with Oda writing. He probably has something else in mind

[stuck ore]

nah

[weak flicker]

Okay, now this, this is a theory that is definitely a headcanon of mine.

[ancient vault]

This sucks. Get that artur piece out of here

[worldly anvil]

Damn Connie is old then

[chilly dragon]

So, we know that you can eat someone whole to take their devil fruit power without it reincarnating into a fruit. We know Blackbeard did something to Whitebeard's body that allowed him to take his fruit, but didn't seemingly effect the outside of WB's body. Is there some internal organ that transmutes and becomes the 'center'/'core' of a users devil fruit abilities, and you could eat it in place of an actual devil fruit?

[surreal oriole]

I would assume you have to eat their heart. But that might be too brutal for One piece lol

[pure raven]

I like where this is going

[chilly dragon]

It could therefor explain why BB could eat multiple, if he had more than one of that organ. Such as a parasitised/Siamese twin, or maybe Xebec pulled a Voldemort and is fused to BBs body or some shit. Regardless, we know something is up with his body, and this could provide a mechanism.

Assuming it's not the Yami Yami that allows him to do so, but Marco made reference to his strange body.

[hollow grotto]

I've seen a lot of theories on BB's fruit, but I'm still subscribed to the octopus/kraken devil fruit idea

[light onyx]

Would black beard 3rd fruit be a zoan?

[light onyx]

I’m watching that rn

[stuck ore]

Can be

A logia
A zoan
A paramecia

[light onyx]

He has a logia and a paramecia

No zoan

[stuck ore]

And needs a zoan to complete

[hollow grotto]

After I watched the video, I looked a little into what octopus symbolize and it sounds a lot like BB:

"The octopus symbolizes mystery, flexibility, fluidity, intelligence, adaptability, and unpredictability." I've only quoted one source but a lot of the references mention rather similiar things. Someone should write a full theory on it, might be worth looking into

[stuck ore]

Yeah

Quake quake fruit a paramecia

Yami yami no mi a logia

Now a zoan

[light onyx]

Tbh octopus are associated with pirates a lot

Black beard is becoming the standard ideal pirate

[hollow grotto]

I guess it'd more likely be a Kraken as they're considered one of the biggest, most popular threats of the ocean

[light onyx]

A giant octopus that is made of darkness and can create earthquakes

[hollow grotto]

There's a lot to be explored with the idea, just needs to be written out properly

[light onyx]

Yes

Also apparently roger was too early to the one piece is this true ?

[light onyx]

Ahhh

Also No devil fruit user has gone to the one piece cuz they suddenly get sick

I hope they don’t do some chosen one thing

[fathom matrix]

plus, whiebeard's body got burried, so the marines couldn't work on it, to see what was missing

[light onyx]

Well when buggy was close to the island did he eat the fruit by that time ?

[vestal bone]

Ya

[chilly dragon]

I think the Joyboy/Nika prophecy thing kinda works against you here

[ancient vault]

he already had it yeah

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, lot of people think it could be the Tako Tako No Mi Model: Kraken. plus with a quake fruit and dark fruit, BB's practically an eldritch god

[chilly dragon]

ape buggy ape buggy

[light onyx]

💀

Oh my

[ancient vault]

This would aquire BB to get that said organ out of his body without damaging him which is impossible

[light onyx]

How does red hawk happen

[vestal bone]

Friction in air with haki

[chilly dragon]

WB had two gaping holes in his body

[fathom matrix]

he had 2 giant holes, pretty sure you can climb up the dude and snag a kidney if he still had one left

[ancient vault]

Yes and taking an organ out of there is gonna damage his body tf u think the organ is doing there? Just laying around not connected to any blood veins or sth

He would bleed A LOT if he were to be ripped of his organ lol

[light onyx]

I mean he control darkness if ur covered by a cloak in the dark you can do anything right ?

[vestal bone]

Lick the blood up

[chilly dragon]

there's a lot of space in wbs body for blood to flow too, and wb had blood on him already

[ancient vault]

Also if it was an organ it wouldve been discovered already because thats an obvious approach

[chilly dragon]

Thats some taboo research

and you'd have to have an idea that it would actually be a thing, first

[fathom matrix]

tbf, how could ace talk after getting magma fisted in the chest?

[ancient vault]

We already partly know how Devil Fruits work. Theyre tied to the soul. Its much better to just think BB's infinite gravity managed to suck in a soul too

[ancient vault]

if I were to rip an organ out of you rn Im telling you youre gonna lose at least double the amount blood than you drank water today

[chilly dragon]

you'd think the holes in his body would be giving off enough blood already

[light onyx]

If you die does the devil fruit go to any fruit or the fruit it was based of for example the Bara bara no mi goes to a pineapple instead of a fruit that’s close to it ?

[hollow grotto]

Shanks seems to be clearly inspired by norse viking stories, which if I'm not mistaken, were the origins of the Kraken's legendary myth. It's a reach for proof on its own, but it ties in nicely as a connection if we apply the rest of the theory's proof and compare Shanks, a viking, to Blackbeard, a Kraken... obviously not in the literal sense

[fathom matrix]

well, you're disconnecting it internally and taking it out the hole in the chest, withouting ripping the skin. Plus, the heart's not beating, so blood pressure's not gonna spew out blood.

that's just an idea, so don't hold me to it 100%

[hollow grotto]

hey swrml, if I posted about an already-popularized theory, I wouldn't get in trouble or anything right? lol

[ancient vault]

Wdym exactly?

[hollow grotto]

was thinking about making a comprehensive essay on the Blackbeard Kraken idea, just don't know if the person who originally founded the idea would get upset and if I'd get in trouble for it

[ancient vault]

Blood is still in the veins and its not just a cut. Its literally ripping an organ out.
Idk why we're assuming VP didn't think of this yet either? Its an obvious approach

[fathom matrix]

I think if you said someone came up with this originally or you heard it from so and so, it wouldn't cause that many issues

[ancient vault]

well idk if it was on this server
Also im not the CEO of theories
Lastly just give credit to the OG post and ur good

[hollow grotto]

lmao alright sweet, ty guys

I'll have to try and find the originals but the idea is brewin

[ancient vault]

I think it was a reddit thread. Someone linked it in here

[hollow grotto]

don't want to credit the wrong person and get flack for it, that's all

just think it'd be good for discussion

[fathom matrix]

as long as you state it wasn't you idea originally and you heard it, and you're just adding more research you found, i think ya fine

[hollow grotto]

alright ^^ ty, I'll get started then

[ancient vault]

itll be hard to find the first OG post. People always expand on it. Honestly if you cant find the OG post just say that this kraken idea is not yours solely but you just wanna expand on it

[hollow grotto]

okay, will do :)

[chilly dragon]

How to kill Wapol: Give him a weapon with a zoan devil fruit to eat

[umbral island]

hi has anyone watched the theory by Marco phoenix YouTube channel where he says the kaido saga will continue after wano arc?

[chilly dragon]

That would imply that - if the raid is successful and Wano is freed - Kaido flees/goes after the ancient weapons. I genuinely don't see Kaido giving up his base of operations, especially when there are powerful fighters taking it from him, and he wants to have a "glorious death" to complete himself.

[umbral island]

the theory talked about an island we got to know about through covers. it is said to be kaido's favorite island and it has a bunch of lore/mystery behind it. it's like a super short video if you wanna check it out. I was thinking of ways to resolve the same issue of why would kaido flee to another island

[slim moat]

We can't say Wano is his base of operations. He has another favourite island.

[serene plaza]

what do you guys think luffy and the crews bounty will be after wano

[umbral island]

yea I was wondering if we will see him fleeing to that island that's made up metal and then we get to see more backstory of kidd and kaido in that arc

[chilly dragon]

I'm going to assume if an emperor goes down, Luffy's bounty rises into the 4 billion range

Zoro gets into the billions

[serene plaza]

yeah i see about 4.5B

[serene plaza]

i see zoro at ab 1B but i hope sanji's bounty isnt higher than his

[chilly dragon]

GLR had this idea once luffy has 3 road poneglyphs, the WG might freak and give Robin a billion+ bounty, since she would be the crux of it all

[serene plaza]

🤔

[sand sail]

They're probably not going to give Robin any kind of bounty like that, that'd be way too gratuitous

[modest skiff]

IMO the WG wouldn't want to draw that much attention to how much of a threat Robin is

[chilly dragon]

Robin literally being the imminent key to laugh tale, and a billion is too much?

the other emperors already know how important she is

[modest skiff]

She's more than a billion of "threat", but perhaps making that clear to the entire world is kind of saying more than they want to say

[chilly dragon]

... fair, i suppose

[ancient vault]

the only real people who are a threat to Robin dont care about how big her bounty is because they know about her being able to read poneglyphs which is the actual reason

Noone is coming by luffy except for big numbers like yonkos etc. ans they already know that she can reqd poneglyphs

[modest skiff]

The main issue for the WG is they don't want common citizens to know about glyphs and void century and all that. I think most citizens don't even KNOW there is a void century. They've just been told it all started 800 years ago

[ancient vault]

Probably not even that. The WG has always been there for them. Without any specific timeline

[sand sail]

The biggest thing is the World Government doesn't seem to actually know about the Road Poneglyphs

We have no reason for them to suddenly drop a ton of bounty on Robin out of nowhere unless they actually know how to get to Laugh Tale themselves already

[bright moon]

Are sea stone weapons more littered throughout the lore and I’m missing them? I feel like they’re nowhere . There’s sea stone cuffs, cages, boats ,even nails and we have seen Smokey’s staff . But no bullets, cannonballs or swords? Despite power users clearly being an issue . Am I missing something ?

[sand sail]

Yes, you're missing that seastone is incredibly rare, incredibly difficult to work with, and has only become an active commodity for anyone to use in the last couple of years

[bright moon]

But they can make boats, cages, cuffs, nails and Smokey’s staff?

[sand sail]

There are no seastone boats, and Smoker's jitte only has a seastone tip, not the full thing. There are bullets, but there wouldn't be any cannonballs. Swords, maybe but not so far

They don't make cages out of it, they make cages with seastone laced into it

[tardy dune]

Maybe plating the edge of a sword with sea stone could work

[sand sail]

That'd be the most likely option if there is one, yeh

Either one edged with it, or the metal of the blade has some placed in during the forging

[bright moon]

The voodoo guy tossed a sea stone nail into law and it cancelled him out . Which is why I was really thinking heavily into it

Arrows or swords tipped with it could make even a non haki user able to fight a logia

[sand sail]

Yes, but that happened in Wano, the seastone capital and origin of the world. That's not going to be going around the entire sea all that much, and the marines seem to have the monopoly on it since vegapunk seems to be the most productive and efficient user of it

[tardy dune]

I think the biggest sea stone project is playing the bottoms of boats with it, and that's experimental marine tech

[sand sail]

They don't really need to be able to fight a logia

[bright moon]

They surely wouldn’t let them get away

[sand sail]

They don't have to do that either, since haki exists it wouldn't be necessary for anyone to use anything else really

But likewise, a logia is never going to be the reason for anyone using seastone lol

[bright moon]

They use it for power users in general , and for its immense durability apparently

[modest skiff]

I would be very surprised if this is true. But i don't have any reason/evidence other than having spies and stuff and assuming they figure stuff out

[sand sail]

They could have found it out for sure, but between wanting to cover things up and just not knowing where Luffy is at all in getting to Laugh Tale, it'd be strange for them to drop that bounty on Robin. They don't know that Luffy even knows how to get to Laugh Tale yet, after all

[modest skiff]

yeah, lots of question marks all around. I have had a suspicion that there is a reason the WG is leaving Luffy mostly alone. Someone is pulling a string. It will be interesting to see what sort of a priority Luffy is post-wano.

[sand sail]

Well, to be fair, they've actually been trying to chase Luffy for ages now. They thought he was dead or retired over the time skip so no one tracked him down, also being on Rusukaina helped keep people away from him, and after that he just hasn't had any contact with the government directly besides Dressrosa. But with that, he was helping them, and even considering the help he still has an admiral ordered directly to chase him and Law down

Beyond those, he's just only gone into Big Mom's territory, so the only thing the government could do was increase his bounty. And now it's Wano, somewhere even more unassailable for them.

And finally, even considering all of that, I honestly feel like they're taking less of an active stance only by accident. Or, rather, Luffy is fortunate to not have their attention because they're deciding that they can't deal with two Emperors, while he's crazy enough to try

[pine delta]

yeah lol

[sand sail]

With the warlords being the hill they're deciding to die on, Luffy just kinda got lucky about it, imo

[pine delta]

they cant handle 2 emperor simultaneuosly, luffy is about to take down 2 simultaneously, why would they persue that

[sand sail]

No lmao, they just can't deal and they have no idea how Luffy is going to do at all. They're not pursuing just because the Emperors are still up, I'm sure if they go down Luffy will become the most hunted man on the planet

[modest skiff]

My calculus is this: The navy could wage war on any 1 emperor's kingdom and wipe them out. But they would take losses such that another emperor would thereby be able to topple and occupy MF, effectively defeating the navy. The navy largely depends on yonkos competing with each other. The navy really is not in all that great of a position. They simply don't have the resources to dedicate to someone like Luffy or the other supernovas when yonkos might get so strong they are individually stronger than the navy. So the navy is always looking for efficient ways to hinder yonkos.

[ancient vault]

idk if the yonkos are any stronger than half dead WB then I doubt they can defeat them at all

[hollow grotto]

writing this theory has caused me great back pain but I need to complete it

[ancient vault]

same

[hollow grotto]

lol

[ancient vault]

ur kraken theory?

[hollow grotto]

yep, just having a look through other sources and doing more research into the idea

[sand sail]

Swrml highlighted the slight flaw in this, the marines weren't sure they were actually able to take on Whitebeard and his crew, and that was with the warlords on top as well. Sengoku openly admits they may very well still lose that entire war

[hollow grotto]

also need to add some disputes to the idea as Shim pointed out to me

[sand sail]

Given that, it seems that the marines can't actually wipe out any Emperor at will at all. They actually actively avoided fighting Whitebeard for years, even after finding out Ace was Roger's son, they just didn't want to have to go to war

[ancient vault]

They depend on the yonko system lol

If one yonko trembles chaos breaks out. Theyre done for if everyone just goes amok ala Ragnarok