manga-theories

[sand sail]

Drake's never been a captain on screen

[queen arrow]

Garp has absolutely 0 connections to Sword

[sand sail]

His lowest rank is higher than Koby's highest, Rear Admiral

[silk rain]

Yeah i totally see where you are coming from though

[silk rain]

look at the screenshot u sent earlier

[supple anchor]

Garp did a lot of stuff that wasn't always okay and that the fleet admiral disagreed with, but the fleet admiral still knew about it

[sand sail]

Drake is the captain of Sword specifically, his military rank is Rear Admiral

Or rather, his "former" rank was rear admiral

Now, the problem with the entire basis of the theory; there's been no hint or implication that Sword is doing anything at all concerning the Celestial Dragons

100% of their showings have been focusing on pirates, with just one single throwaway mention of CP0 coming around and that it's a shock and concerning

[queen arrow]

Vergo was the commander of the G-5 Base, and Smoker was his subordinate even though they shared the same rank, that however didn't make G-5 not be a marine group

[supple anchor]

yeah, the marines are a subset of the WG, they arent planning anything against the CDs

[sand sail]

The fact that it's a surprising concern proves without a doubt that Sword has never had anything to do with them, up until this point at the very least.

I can't stress that enough, for what you guys are saying to be true, CP0 going to Wano wouldn't be something that puts Drake on his ass. Likewise, we'd have had some mention, literally any at all, that they're planning something against the Celestial Dragons, or that they're concerned about their overall moves and goals. Instead, all we get is him being shocked that CP0 is working with pirates. He and Koby, mind you.

The theory honestly dismantles itself, there's nothing about the series that really supports it :/ And everything we know so far goes completely against it

[cyan cliff]

gotta run, but at the end of the day we'll all eventually get the answers and it will be glorious whichever way it goes

[supple anchor]

lets look at what we DO know sword is about. Sword infiltrated one of the yonko, thats not anything to do with CDs and theres no reason to keep the fact that you have a vice-admiral level resource deep within a yonkos organization secret. why keep that from the fleet admiral?

[sand sail]

They wouldn't, there's no way Akainu isn't all over Sword. That just wouldn't make sense lol

It's his group

[supple anchor]

yuuup

[halcyon talon]

sword is akainus group?

[sand sail]

Now, if this were another government group, that would lend a little more weight to it. At that point you could say maybe they're going above and beyond Akainu, that would make more sense

[cyan cliff]

Kaido is literally creating weapons for the CDs to broker and warmonger. The correlation to the CDs by way of Kaido is there and through the Joker connection as well

[sand sail]

This is a marine group, and he commands 100% of the marines

[halcyon talon]

okay if you meant it like that then i agree

[sand sail]

If an admiral is the one who was able to command Sword back with Rosinante, there's no arguing that either Akainu or someone who answers directly to him is in charge now

[supple anchor]

hes creating weapons to sell to anyone. why do the CDs need weapons? if anyone attacks them they get hit by a laser

[sand sail]

Except until we learn Koby and Drake are in Sword, none of them knew this.

I'm gonna have to ask you to acknowledge that, because it seems like you're basing this off of some kind of prior knowledge they had, but we know for absolute sure they had no clue CP0 was any kind of involved with Kaido whatsoever

[supple anchor]

CDs dont need money, they dont need much of anything. they spend their time abusing their insane authority because they have the entire WG in their back pocket. they can commission ships directly from the navy

why go all the way to kaido to get weapons you wont need to use

[sand sail]

That's the thing

They do need to use them

[waxen dust]

CDs run the world and can get anything they want like a rich white girl using her daddy’s credit card lol

[sand sail]

Kaido's weapons are great enough that he's about to start a war with them and his gifters, the Celestial Dragons were dealing with Doflamingo before and now are dealing with Kaido directly

They help the marines have better weapons

[waxen dust]

They don’t need to buy from Kaido anything; they can get the weapons on their own with the Marines

[sand sail]

So you're basically asking why the celestial dragons would go to the source instead of the handmedowns that the marines get lol

[slim moat]

We don't know many of CDs except Charlos family. Even 5elders are celestial dragons

[sand sail]

Yes, they do need to buy it from Kaido, the marines don't have the weapons.

Hence...them buying the weapons from Kaido

[supple anchor]

why would the CDs need the weapons in the first place. They have th SSG now with the WG, they have VP crafting weapons for them. not caesar's super flawed smiles

[queen arrow]

there aren't enough admirals out there to keep the CDs safe from literally everything, which is why they still need spend money to buy stuff and send CP-0 as proxy

[supple anchor]

CDs mostly live in mariejois, and if they leave they get an escort

[sand sail]

It's not smiles, Wano is peppered with weapons factories that are apparently mass producing some of the best things around

Things the marines do not have

[supple anchor]

thats probably why CP0 is making a deal with orochi, but the CDs themselves dont need weapons

[sand sail]

CP0 is being used because they're constantly on the lookout for ways to better protect and empower the dragons, as we see from their interaction with Caramel

No, the celestial dragons probably won't use them, it'll probably go to the marines or will stick with CP0 only

[supple anchor]

yeah thats my point, its the WG not the CDs

[sand sail]

The dragons need the weapons for other people to use on their behalf, not to fire themselves

[queen arrow]

the CDs still have their weird guards thing

[crimson orbit]

i dont think that they need weapons. vegapunk is making better stuff then any of the weapon factories in wano

[sand sail]

He's not, his best thing so far have been the Pacifistas and the SSG

[slim moat]

CDs rule the world. If some country doing something, they have to manage it. For that, they need weapons.

[sand sail]

The Pacifistas cost as much as a warship to make, and the SSG are brand new so they wouldn't factor into it at all

[supple anchor]

also lets not forget the CDs have some secret weapon/power that Doffy was talking about. its likely Pluton level

[queen arrow]

i don't think Vegapunk is ever implied to manufacture guns like Kaido does

[sand sail]

^

We see a demonstration of a weapon Wano's produced that no one else has, their long range cannons are easily enough to change an entire fight

[supple anchor]

CDs rule the world but the WG/gorosei handle everything for them

[queen arrow]

Vegapunk has scientific breakthroughs

[sand sail]

It was a problematic enough thing that the captains there were concerned about their effectiveness

[halcyon talon]

but he has soemthing better now. remember fujitora and ryokugyu scene where fujitora said he just got back from VPs lab and said things are going well (something like that idk)

[slim moat]

Gorosei are also CDs

[sand sail]

Yeah, that's the SSG. But remember, SSG is brand new

[queen arrow]

he's not constantly creating guns and swords and whatever regular weaponry they need

[sand sail]

CP0 have been dealing with criminals and pirates for decades now on behalf of the Celestial Dragons

[supple anchor]

they are, but they have direct positions in the WG and take an active role

[sand sail]

Maybe now they don't have to, but that doesn't impact that they have been this whole time

And yeh, Vegapunk makes big projects and all, but I'm entirely sure a Pacifista or whatever the SSG are will be significantly harder to produce than just making fancy guns and cannons

Like yeah, he can make them, and it's taken him about 20 years to do so, vs easily and far more cheaply mass produced weaponry from the underworld

[silk rain]

yo @sand sail is it ok if I dm you the basis of the theory later, you will most likely disregard it but just so you understand where we are coming from

[halcyon talon]

think about how much resources the WG probably has though

[slim moat]

What is WG? 19 families alliance declaring themselves as WG.

[halcyon talon]

@silk rain could you dm it to me just for lols, wanna read it too

[sand sail]

Sure, I understand where you're coming from tho. It's not a new basis, it's been around since we learned Koby and Drake were in Sword lol

[sand sail]

No, those are the Celestial Dragons. The World Government is the amalgamation of ~140 countries coming together under the governing of the Gorosei

[silk rain]

yeah just so you understand. I personally love these theories that leave a lot to personal interpretation, so its totally fine if you dont care

[sand sail]

I'm good with personal interpretation, just remember you can't pave over the facts from the series because a theory is a bit more attractive

At just the slightest scrutiny, this whole thing falls apart

[supple anchor]

Yeah those are the CDs. we getting into semantics, my point is that most CDs arent taking an active role in governing, they just live as spoiled people. the gorosei take an active role, they are involved in influncing the choices and decisions that the WG makes, most CDs just life in wealth in mariejois

so CDs are protected by the WG but they arent taking an active role

[queen arrow]

^

[sand sail]

Yeh, the Celestial Dragons are almost entirely apart from the World Government functionally speaking

[slim moat]

The conception of WG. It was 19 familes which founded WG. Later many countries joined them.

[queen arrow]

it was 20 families, but only 19 became CDs

[sand sail]

^ The Nefertaris still joined the World Government

I posted that panel to show that CP0 is getting weapons so that the marines can have better things against pirates

[slim moat]

Yes. But Regular kings have less rights than 19 families. We seen CDs bullying regular royalty at Reverie.

[queen arrow]

yes, the CDs have "godhood"

[sand sail]

Yes, the Celestial Dragons are not in the World Government

They have every right over the government proper because of it

Like mate said, they are "gods"

[queen arrow]

which is superior to "kinghood", and their opinion can affect goverment matters, but they usually don't mess with things

[waxen dust]

Gorosei > CDs > WG

[stuck ore]

Wait head of wg isnt a cd?

[sand sail]

The Gorosei are, yes. The rest of the Celestial Dragons are apart from the government, and still hold just as much power over it

[supple anchor]

we dont know anything about imu

[stuck ore]

Oh okay

[sand sail]

Now, having said that, the Gorosei hold power over them, so it all works out

"Works out"

[slim moat]

Gorosei are CDs though. We don't know how it works yet. They don't wear space suits

[waxen dust]

“checks and balances”

[sand sail]

We do know how it works, it was explained to us in detail

[queen arrow]

an example would be Otohime convincing Mjosgard to get a paper to get FMI permission to go to the Levely

[sand sail]

And they've never left Mariejois, we have no idea if they would or not

[stuck ore]

I think the gorosei are a bit of down to earth compared to cds

[sand sail]

^ That's a good example. Another would be what they did to Kuma, they deposed a king and made him a slave and no one could stop it

[slim moat]

I mean Gorosei and regular CDs. They don't look same but from same group.

[sand sail]

Oh, Wapol's another great one. They actually took a pirate with a bounty and gave him his own country 'cause he was useful

[queen arrow]

so they do have political power, i think they're just aware that involving themselves in what the kings are doing is a waste of time for them

i thought Wapol's thing was more of a overall WG thing?

[waxen dust]

I don’t think it’s ever been explained how one becomes a Gorosei

[sand sail]

No, just where they sit compared to the rest

[supple anchor]

gorosei also seem to have some combat ability

[queen arrow]

i don't think it's ever said if the Gorosei have ever changed

[stuck ore]

Naj its just some cds have no fighting abilities at all

[slim moat]

That's why it doesn't make sense to me. CDs are shown very self-indulging. And we have aged CDs in gorosei position who are pretty normal.

[sand sail]

They don't seem to have any ability really, one just carries a sword

Yeh, someone has to actually govern the government, so they kind of need to be down to earth by necessity

[supple anchor]

lol i am basing it all on the sword

[stuck ore]

Gorosei are like doffy's father who didnt leave their home

[waxen dust]

No, iirc right now we don’t even have names for the Gorosei. We know barely to anything about them or how they obtained their positions and if they’re changeable. I would assume if a Gorosei were to be replaced the previous one would have to be dead or executed.

[slim moat]

I don't think they are good people. They genocide whole nations. Like Ohara and other countries

[stuck ore]

Better than normal cds

[queen arrow]

they're more Lawful Evil than the overall CD's Neutral Evil

[slim moat]

Last time we seen them, they are planning to wipe out something to preserve 'balance'. That's evil.

[sand sail]

Not really, breaking the balance means the entire world gets razed to the ground in an endless, catastrophic, global war.

This is the first time their genocide is actually for a great reason.

Remember, Kaido and Big Mom are gearing up to find the ancient weapons and destroy everything they can, create a complete lawless chaos of a society. It'd be the actual worst possible thing that could happen short of the world being destroyed entirely, I imagine lol

[queen arrow]

Big Mom and Kaido are Chaotic Evil

[sand sail]

Now they don't know that yet, or didn't back then rather, but they did know the two most violent, warmongering pirates in the world are getting together and not fighting yet. And even if they did fight, that fight would be a horrible devastation to the New World as well

At least the New World

[slim moat]

iirc, Kaido and BM declared their alliance way after Reverie ended. No way Gorosei said it to counter these two.

[sand sail]

They say it specifically to counter them, yes. Like, as they're marching to ask Imu about it, they talk about it

[slim moat]

Im and Gorosei thing happened when Reverie started.

[sand sail]

It wasn't because of the alliance, it was because two Emperors were meeting in general

That was a great enough cause of concern, on top of what happened at Dressrosa and Punk Hazard, and everything the Worst Generation had been doing the last two years

[slim moat]

It mostly to do with Doffy's loss. WG even went with his plan to fake the resignation. isn't there some conversation b/w Doffy and Tsuru about fate of the world?

[sand sail]

Yeah, that conversation isn't relevant here, the Gorosei speak aloud about their problems as they're planning their cleansing. One of them is Big Mom going to meet Kaido at Wano, just like back in the day they were afraid when Shanks decided he wanted to meet Whitebeard

Shanks, who isn't interested in causing conflict or strife, and they still sent a blockade to try to stop him. Now, Big Mom and Kaido are potentially about to go at it. At absolute best, they fight, and worst case nightmare scenario, they team up. Either way, it entirely justifies whatever genocide they're trying to do in their mind, and honestly on paper it probably isn't terribly far off

Barring civilian casualties. I really can't overstate how bad it is lol

[pure raven]

how much Dy think is gonna be revealed at raftel aside from what the onepiece is

also how much Dy guys think is gonna be revealed by the end of this arc?

[supple anchor]

Void century for sure

at raftel i should clarify, not wano

[silk rain]

Just off of memory, im hoping for:
New Bounties
Former warlord news
Sabo news
Murder at the reverie news
Blackbeard news (maybe)
More info on CP0 (probably not)
More info on SWORD and Drake
New emperors/reorganising emperors (maybe)
momonosuke's purpose and his reason for authority over zunesha
The underworld news (Joker was supposedly a big weapon manufacturer, but it looks like kaido is bigger)
Gorosei verdict for luffy

[pure raven]

bro if all that happens I'm gonna bust

imagine if we got to see more about black eard at the start of the next act

[lone adder]

is it possible that shanks has some teleportation devil fruit? he always seems to appear out of nowhere

[silk rain]

i wanna see those bounties

[pure raven]

personally I'm kinda buying into the 5bil bounty idea

[pure raven]

nah he just rides on the back of lucky roo

[lone adder]

nah but like on marineford he just arrived in front of akainu. nobody said "shanks is here" or anything he was just suddenly there

and every time we see shanks he seems to just suddenly appear

[oak mural]

bro u believing yuedren thoery that he has transportation frt my goodness

[lone adder]

somebody came up with that theory already?

[oak mural]

explain how he could save luffy from sea king while not being submerged,if he had the fruit

[lone adder]

idk oda gave him plot armor

[oak mural]

long ago the same guy whom the dennies lobby thingy is sourced

[lone adder]

oh damn didnt know that it just came into my head

[pure raven]

wasn't Momo's reason for controlling zunesha cuz he can use the voice of all things?

[silk rain]

luffy also has it but momo had to say it no?

[pure raven]

oh shit good point

maybe the kozuki clan banished zunisha

[ancient vault]

I agree but I dont see them going all the wqy to wano to make business with a pirate for simple weapons. I think it has to be sth more special. Whether its seastone weapons or some other kind of special weapon im not sure yet but I'd actually be interested in discussing

[ancient vault]

SSG Wapol theory coming in

[ancient vault]

wdym by that?

[pure raven]

Is kaido’s weapon kairoseki? Forgot now

[grizzled fog]

No it’s not

[sturdy hound]

he's literally a df user lol

[lone adder]

i seriously wonder what buggys awakakened fruit is capable of

[sturdy hound]

i would hope that he gets to lift more weight when flying

he was doing some serious lifting in impel down when separating his body and flying with it

that's one of the cooler aspects of his fruit imo

[grizzled fog]

He was able to lift jinbe and luffy while flying in Marineford seemingly pretty easily. That’s the most i can recall him carrying

[lone adder]

maybe people like kaido

[sturdy hound]

oh yea

[hoary ice]

probably chopping up objects and the earth

[opaque elm]

ya shud be

chopping at will

why is slowmode enables bruh

[lone adder]

so like a budget version of laws fruit?

[hoary ice]

yeah but i think law’s takes more out of him whereas buggy’s is a part of him

but then again don’t forgot he is the user of the OP OP fruit so he is pretty OP

[slim moat]

I posted something long in reply to this. Then it looked like wall of text. I don't think i can convince you with my points. Dressrosa events did affect the world balance. They even had reaction panels from all over the world after Joker's defeat. That's canon. Unless Gorosei doesn't consider it as big thing, I don't see how it's not relavant.

[stuck ore]

What happened at dressrosa drastically changes the world thats no arguing

[supple anchor]

led to the disbandment of the shichibukai for sure

[runic osprey]

And now the navy will rely on the SSG

[ancient vault]

Hes saying the conversation about the fate of the world is irrelevant to the gorosei. 1. They didnt hear it. 2. Whether doffy said those words or not it wouldnt have changed anything. BM and Kaido wouldve teamed up either way and the worstgen wouldve still done chaos too. It was just a comment by Doffy

[slim moat]

The conversation is irrelevant. But content is. Dressrosa events did affect the balance.

Some thing big happened. Everyone talking about it. Doflamingo was in middle of it. His comments about the situation is relevant.

[pure raven]

I have a theory that shanks is actually stronger than kaido

And i have two sources to back it up

[chrome zealot]

like he stopped him from coming to marineford and whats the other one

[pure raven]

Shanks came unscathed

Even doe it was cleary stated they had a fight

[chrome zealot]

see we dont what exactly happened there so i wouldnt jump to a conclusion

[chrome zealot]

it said they clashed

[pure raven]

No volume 55 it said they had a fight

[pure raven]

Or chapter 533

[steep vigil]

Luffy might lose his gears before he becomes pirate king

[pure raven]

That makes no sense

[violet badge]

Yeaa high chance

[pure raven]

How would one "lose" gears

Do you guys think Luffy will overuse gears and fall sick?

And dies before saying
"Weath, power and fame...."

[ember yarrow]

"Meat, meat and meat..."

[runic osprey]

That’s honestly not that surprising and a lot of people have already assumed that, he is a yonko in his prime after all and his unbeatable crew is also crazy strong

[valid dagger]

I think he will make a pause with gears, i assume he have problem coating self while using gears

[weak plaza]

https://youtu.be/NFA_OMPc9eU
Check at 11:05
Will this video explain how Zoro got his left eye cut ? He might get possessed by the sword and Mihawk cut Zoro left eye to seal it and to save him.

Japanese sword is mostly about cursed and possessed by the sword demon or devil.

[rapid oar]

you guys think we'll ever see frankys parents

[ancient vault]

Yeah

[stuck ore]

most likely nah

[light onyx]

Coincident? I think not !

[sage basin]

they had an unexpected fight a day before the war in marine ford

i don't really see kaido being open to dialogue, especially with shanks, and getting rid of him in a day with no issue sounds kinda hard, like you said

[thick sky]

Kidd already has a cool metal arm

[lament fjord]

nvm

wrong channel

[nimble thistle]

I was going to say a budget version of that scissors guy with the RA.

[light onyx]

Can brook awaken his devil fruit ?!

[craggy pumice]

maybe

[light onyx]

I think it’s controlling others

[craggy pumice]

when did the last one happen

[light onyx]

Thriller bark

At the end of it

[craggy pumice]

oh wait holy fuck why did I think the Risky Brothers were part of the ASL flashback
But I dont think its related to the sun god cause they werent allowed to be in the actual sun for years or they would have died

[light onyx]

lmaooo fairs

I just want to get to elbaf

I think it’s gonna focus more on ussop cuz of his relationship with giants

And I think king Loki will be an enemy but he could be an ally

[craggy pumice]

I also look forward to that

Feel like Loki will be like a Caesar/Buggy/Foxy character but as an ally

[sand sail]

I don't think they're going to be anything as special as seastone weapons, though they probably got their seastone from Doflamingo for the marines I imagine, but it seems like Kaido is just pumping out really awesome basic stuff. Like the super long range warship cannons we see before the raid starts, and those same weapons were being bought and sold all over the place by Doflamingo too, so it can't really be anything too special in this case, maybe. I am curious if we'll ever see exactly what they get, because Blackbeard should now have everything that CP0 is currently looking for after Baltigo

Which also brings up another question, so Blackbeard should have everything the Revolutionaries stole from Dressrosa, which would be the very weapons that CP0 are trying to barter with Orochi for right now. Would that mean Blackbeard's a lot more ahead of the game than we realized? He could be pushing military might that almost rivals Kaido's with that kind of cache in his back pocket, if Dragon couldn't get everything away in time

[slim moat]

iirc there is some new material involved. Liqourouse or something. Weapons provided by Doflamingo are made from that. That's why these weapons are important.

[weary cliff]

A couple of things at play here. LT is hidden, very well. If the WG investigated it, the information they uncover along the way becomes a liability. Easier to just stop people from trying to find it.

The AK also anticipated trying to be silenced. So poneglyphs are nigh indestructible to keep the truth accessible. A better question is why most poneglyphs haven't been collected by the WG

[sand sail]

so by now, they must know where and what one piece is,

This is a very, very large assumption, and I don't think they'd actually know where it is. Maybe what it is, maybe. But they can't know the location, the way to get to it is hidden in the poneglyphs, which seems to be something that both originated and remains outside of their jurisdiction and power completely

So why does it still exist, for it is an island that holds all the things that the WG wants to hide.

Other bit here, Laugh Tale doesn't have everything there. The history of the world is scattered through the world, in the Rio Poneglyphs. Those are brought to Laugh Tale, and then the story is completed

We do know that they chose to cover up instead of pursue though for the last 800 years as well. It was an active choice, we get this because Spandam has to convince them to go after an ancient weapon. Those would be a lot easier to get to than Laugh Tale for the government.

Oh, also. The Government actually couldn't get to Laugh Tale at all, two of the Road Poneglyphs have been on Zou and Wano, two places entirely unassailable by them. Unless they knew from the start, they kind of can't have the knowledge now

[weary cliff]

The top brass knows. but they aren't available to go find LT. The more people you employ on the mission to find and destroy it, the more you open yourself to a leak. It doesn't even take a D like Saul, just a sympathetic marine

[sand sail]

They didn't dominate everyone, and no organization has the power to just know where everything is. They're not, by any stretch of imagination, any kind of omniscient or even close to it entity

They have a far reach for sure, but they're just another group of people.

We also don't know that the Gorosei for sure know what happened in the Void Century, or that anyone actually does besides maybe Imu. We just know they want to cover it all up. It's not unlikely for them to know by any means of course, but there's still that possibility to consider.

Remember, it's not like they made Laugh Tale, or put together One Piece, or that any remote part of it was ever under their control. This is Joyboy's thing, not the World Government's.

Because they were too strong

The World Government tried and failed to assault Wano numerous times

Not only is it physically in a place that's incredibly difficult to get to, the samurai are some of the most powerful people on the planet and are not afraid to show it. They tried to take it over, lol

[weary cliff]

It's not a question. They aren't all-powerful. They have a lot to keep a hold of, some things are beyond them

[sand sail]

In the very first mention of Wano outside of Thriller Bark

That's the reputation it's had, it's a country so powerful even the World Government can't get to it. Then Onimaru tells us about it more, Ryuma was apparently a huge part of it

Long story short, Wano is too powerful. The government's never just been an omnipotent entity in the series, so that shouldn't be surprising to you

[stuck ore]

Maybe wano was the country to survive from void century by closing its borders to world

[sand sail]

No maybe about it, that's exactly what happened

See, that's the thing. The World Government doesn't rule the whole world.

They rule about ~170 countries, and that's it

[stuck ore]

Shandora did the opposite of wano and got destroyed by world government

[weary cliff]

You have to reduce your scope on what you think they're capable of. Look at them literally right now. They're spread thin just dealing with the Shichibukai, let alone the Wano situation. At any given time they can't just throw their full resources into conqueroring Wano, for example. It's a complex machine

[amber oar]

there was a theory that Wano is the Ancient Kingdom, or at least its remains

[stuck ore]

I mean if you see how people live there I wont be suprised

Maybe it was alliance to it and the alliance fell when borders were closed

[sand sail]

They weren't trying to find it

I just went over that lol

Their policy is covering up, hiding, keeping it illegal. And it worked perfectly for over 800 years

They could not get to Laugh Tale because the necessary keys, the literal map to get there, was lost to them forever.

Trying to beat pirates there would've been a waste of time and resources

Yeah, over 800 years later

[weary cliff]

Exactly. They are going to fall. That shows they're flawed

[sand sail]

800 years dude. You're acting like this all went down 10 years ago and they forgot about it

They've been wildly, across the board successful with their current campaign. The only reason it's even failing now is because one single person managed to get through it

Likewise, I keep mentioning it but you aren't really acknowledging it, they can't get to Laugh Tale.

[weary cliff]

they've been so successful, supposedly no one made it as far as Lodestar

[sand sail]

He sailed for longer than 13 years, and that one person who managed to do it was able to do it for the same reason the government can't

Because the Road Poneglyphs, the things you need to get there, have been out of their hands for over 800 years and still are

They're on Wano and Zou, two places entirely unassailable by the World Government. How do you figure they'd get there? Do you think they just happen to somehow know where Laugh Tale is already?

[forest rampart]

Assuming One Piece can be destroyed.. but what if no one can destroy it? And what is even the One Piece?

[sand sail]

It's not like they made the poneglyphs, after all. The entire thing going on was made entirely beyond the scope of the World Government, in countries that are so powerful or so hidden they've been kept away for 800 years

This wasn't a World Government project, there's no reason to think they somehow just had all this information. The poneglyphs aren't theirs lol. Now, if the Celestial Dragons were the ones who'd originally made them, you'd totally have a point. But that's just not how it is, this is Joyboy's thing, and they've spent all this time just trying to cover it up, which makes sense given that they shouldn't be able to get to the place at all.

Otherwise, yeah, they'd have probably tried to destroy it completely

[amber oar]

Also, anyone who has entered the rabbit hole of researching poneglyphs ended discovering something fishy about the WG (ex: Ohara), which is a good reason for the WG to not try to figure out even with their own people

[sand sail]

^ Yeh, I imagine that's why Spandam had to give them a speech to go after the ancient weapons for the first time ever. Only reason they switched from a policy of hiding to pursuing at this point is because of Roger making pirates way too troublesome

[weary cliff]

It would have taken a team of Sakazuki minded peoole to pull it off. It's doable but not worth the risk

[sand sail]

But this isn't proof, because we know it's not right. I just talked about two places they barely even have the power to get to, let alone actually take over, and those two places are the keys to actually getting to Laugh Tale.

And those are only two countries, it's not even mentioning how Elbaf is the strongest country in the world

[amber oar]

So you're suggesting they should have tried to bruteforce the end of the Grand Line until finding something?

That takes a mad amount of resources and there's this bunch of outlaws to care for around

[stuck ore]

Maybe becoz there are actually 8 planets

In our solar system too

[sand sail]

It's probably a coincidence

8 is just symmetrical lol

Yes.

But why aren't you understanding that it's not a matter of not doing it, it's a matter of they can't find it?

You're right, it is absurd, that's why we have this explanation. We know for a fact they couldn't get to it, because the only way to get to it has been lost to them for the last 800 years

[modest skiff]

I definitely agree there was some kinda 8 country kingdom/alliance. The interesting thing is that we only have 5 so far. Assuming one of them is Elbaf but maybe not

[sand sail]

The ancient kingdom was probably a protoWG for sure yeh

Yeah, that's why the theory is bad though, there's no reason to think this

And the entire series mostly shows us why it can't be right

The World Government has proven themselves extremely limited in a lot of ways

[modest skiff]

I think you have zero reason to think Imu is individually strong but he may have a doomsday capability

The Gorosei have reason to fear him. I can agree with that

[sand sail]

^ The doomsday theories are probably going to turn out true in some way. Even if it's just sending armies of Pacifistas with a Buster Call everywhere to wipe places out

[sinful wedge]

Have we seen any other CD family name in the series other than Donquixote?

[sand sail]

Yeah, and they tried to do what you're saying. And failed.

They couldn't get to Wano, remember? They also could never get to Zou. The two places in the world that had half the key to Laugh Tale

Zou's been untouched for almost 1000 years as far as anyone knows, and Wano's unassailable for the government, they tried multiple times and failed

No you don't, Im's ancestors had to be powerful.

After that, it's just tradition and law, they created a government

No one follows the Celestial Dragons because of anything but the marines, that is Im's power so far

[modest skiff]

This would be more true outside of Japanese culture. Japanese culture is really weird about this kinda thing. It is conceivable that Imu isn’t individually powerful. I think they have a really strong power though. No idea what it is

[sand sail]

Really it's not even a cultural thing, this is generally just how governing systems go. The leader is rarely going to be someone of unique power themselves, just vision and drive enough to organize everything around them

Not at all. Power isn't everything by any means

No matter how strong Im is, there's no way they'll be stronger than Roger or Whitebeard

Likewise, even if Im were the most powerful single entity in the entire franchise, that doesn't mean by any means that they'd be able to just get to Laugh Tale

[modest skiff]

I would agree more with this if it wasn’t such a ruthless and cruel form of ruling. I just don’t buy the idea that Imu lacks the capability to cause harm by themselves. Maybe strength has nothing to do with it. Shrug

[sand sail]

Well, the capability to cause harm comes through the admirals at the least, that's the actual reason the entire world follows the Celestial Dragons still

It's an interesting theory, but it won't be like that

It was 20 different kingdoms against the Ancient Kingdom, remember?

It wasn't just Im and one person like Blackbeard, it was a small continent worth of nations rising up against them

[modest skiff]

Someone in the following 3 has actual power to cause extreme harm, otherwise nothing makes sense to me:
-Gorosei

• Imu
  -CD leadership other than Gorosei

I don’t think it’s just the admirals. There is too much open contempt for the CDs. I just don’t buy it. One of those 3 has the power to cause harm

Note: maybe Oda is just way smarter than me. I already know that’s true lol. But nothing makes sense to me if none of those 3 are “actually powerful”

I don’t know. There appears to be a hierarchy within the CDs. Indeterminate

[forest rampart]

Celestial Dragon

[sand sail]

Well the thing is, the admirals are the only reason the entire rest of the world believes. So if there is something, it's nothing that holds the world hostage at all, since the only reason they obey and keep the Celestial Dragons happy is because an admiral can come down and wreck their countries

So, if there is something there, it's something that's only internally effective for the Celestial Dragons themselves for whatever reason. For everyone else, the marines are the problem

[terse fable]

But what keeps said admirals ad the marines themselves in check is another thing no? (Besides funding that is)

[sand sail]

I can't see this theory ever being what ended up happening tho

[sand sail]

No, just tradition. The World Government created the marines, that's all they need to keep them in check. The marines are made and brought in for almost brainwashing levels of abiding by the law

So they don't need anything to "keep them in check" because none of the marines are actually trying to depose or go against the Celestial Dragons at all. The only people who have even had any kind of beef in that way have been marines that never target them, just other things like the warlords. Fujitora and Smoker, for example

Garp hates them, but Garp also doesn't dare actually try to take them down. No one would, it's a suicide mission

[modest skiff]

That’s entirely fair. I agree people fear the admirals. I still feel like I smell fear of CDs within the navy. Maybe I’m wrong

[sand sail]

Oh yeh they'd fear the dragons too, but fear in the way of like...if one of the marines started going rotten, the rest of the marines would take them down lol

[terse fable]

Maybe. Than why would they need to create an independent unit to gather information when there is CP?

[sand sail]

And that's really the root of the problem, it's a numbers game. There doesn't exist a marine strong enough to actually break away and do anything about the Celestial Dragons, and anyone who tries would get an immediate death sentence. Maybe Dragon? I know that was a popular theory, he might be the first and only one to do it and get away with his life

[sand sail]

Because Cipher Pol works for the government, not the marines

Just remember to consider all of the facts we know with your theory, there's nothing wrong with making one or making assumptions. It's just Im being powerful doesn't seem to be particularly be a thing

[terse fable]

My point exactly. There is mistrust among their ranks. Wouldn't be weird if they want to break free from its influence.
Tho again Im doesn't necessarily have to be powerful (strength wise) to rule.

[ancient vault]

But it doenst seem like dragon went actively agaimst the CDs within the marines. He wouldve been famous for that. If he was a marine he likely left first snd then started officially creating the revos

[sand sail]

Yeh, that's the other thing. Dragon would be known pretty well if it were the case, only real problem with that theory so far

[sand sail]

Sure, I'm sure plenty want to break away. But that doesn't mean any can, or anyone would have the courage to ever even begin to try

Someone as powerful, free spirited, and totally against the ideals of the Celestial Dragons as Garp has been doing almost nothing but ultimately obeying them in the end.

[ancient vault]

It takes two admirals to stay loyal and people wont dare to. Its not only their lifes but also their familys, friends and whole countriies

[sand sail]

But also forget, they have the moral high ground. The Celestial Dragons don't need some separate power to control them because the marines genuinely believe in justice

^

The World Government has the marines by a moral authority, not one based on power, and that morality turned into their law

[ancient vault]

I wouldnt say obey tho it depends on how god valley plqyed out. He def doesnt have the balls to act up tho. Or hes smart enough to know its a fcking suicide mission

[sand sail]

Yeh, "obey" as far as he causes trouble but ultimately works for and with them before anything

[ancient vault]

His best bet was probably when he was in prime

[sand sail]

Really not even with them, just with other marines. The admirals are the only ones directly under the Celestial Dragons, which also helps. The marines don't actually have to face everything the dragons do on a daily basis or anything, so most of them wouldn't even want to rebel

[ancient vault]

When he was truly the strongest doubt he'd still win with a handful marines against a whole army + cipher pool themsekves too most likely

[sand sail]

Yeh, it's a death sentence for anyone, Garp was certainly no Emperor and even they aren't always willing to confront the marines

Hell, Whitebeard escaped at the height of his power with a decently sized crew and no admirals in sight because he already knew it'd be an endless stream of marines coming at him

[ancient vault]

I still think wb prime woulfve fckef marineford in the ass

Also if im is truly the stronfest why not just cole down and delere folks like wb who are the only real threat

[sand sail]

Another big reason for the Celestial Dragons and Im not actually being anything really remarkable on their own. They have 0 control over the age of piracy, the Emperors, all that good jazz. If they were really that strong, Roger would never have made it to Laugh Tale They tried to stop him

[sinful wedge]

I hope Sakazuki smashes this status quo then lol

I think he'd have enough of his own devout followers to pull that off

While Fujitora, Smoker and potentially Greenbull do their own thing

[gloomy canyon]

I mean, Im doesn't and wouldn't go out themselves to stop piracy. That's kind of the point of the marines. The military branch of the WG. The Gorosei are the "rulers" of this world who sit in their ivory tower. Doubt each Gorosei member is some yonko level threat individually lol, but I'm sure they're decently good combatants that we'll have to fight during the final war. Also pretty confident about Im being strong as I'm sure they will be Luffy's main fight during the war. Just speculation but Akainu definitely seems like largely Sabo's fight. Just seems like Im will be the final boss of the series that Luffy will have to overcome. Doubt we go from Kaido and BM, to BB, then to Akainu.

Also if something like the SSG existed back during Roger's time, that would have presented a much harder obstacle for him to overcome. The marines being able to resort to Vegapunk's creations to combat piracy is a scary thought

When from what we know, if the marines didn't send out Garp or Sengoku against Roger, they literally posed 0 threat to him

[ancient vault]

Yeah and the marines failed so why doesnt Im go there himself to stop Roger from reaching laugh tale the worst scenario possible for the WG?

[sand sail]

^

[gloomy canyon]

Same reason they don't go out to do anything

[sand sail]

That's the big thing, this is a massive problem. At this point, this is when they HAVE to go out and do something

It's not a matter of standing, if they're the only ones who could take care of any kind of issue like this, there's no reason for it to be a concern for anyone in the Celestial Dragons

The fact that the world government can be put in a sheer panic by two pirates meeting tells us plenty about how little power they actually end up having on the whole. The entire series so far has pushed that it's a numbers game more than anything for them, Im being any kind of strong wouldn't really make much sense just given how the series has framed these folks

[silk rain]

Just guessing but is it possible that Im knows everything in laugh tale, and he doesn't think would affect him at the time (just like roger said it didn't matter because they got there too early). That would explain why he didnt do anything to roger as far as we know

[sand sail]

Not so much, Roger launched the Great Age of Piracy with what he did, and became the single most wanted person in the world. Potentially even in history. Likewise, the fact that poneglyph reading is outlawed on penalty of death and potential Buster Call even back then points to the information being dangerous no matter when

[sinful wedge]

But they did fear the revival of ancient weapons when Ohara got too involved in it

[ancient vault]

The former: Nah thats dragon

He was even called that

[sand sail]

Nah, Dragon's just the worst criminal now. He may have a lower bounty than Roger did

[ancient vault]

I doubt he did. I think he has a bigger the way it was said that "no pirate ever surpassed" rogers and wbs bounty. Emphasis on pirate not just anyone

[sinful wedge]

@sand sail What's the most convincing case you've seen or made for Kaido's fate by the end of this arc?

[ancient vault]

Death

[sinful wedge]

By whom?

Succumbing to his injuries?

[sand sail]

"Pirate" isn't really worth noticing though, and Dragon isn't half as bad as Roger's ever been, it genuinely just wouldn't make sense for him to have a higher bounty now

[ancient vault]

depends on what he knows and his past

[sand sail]

Roger devastated the balance of the world and completely changed the face of history with what he did, Dragon's just a terrorist who's been gaining round

They don't know what Dragon knows tho, some people weren't even sure he was real for a good while

[sand sail]

He'll probably die because he really, really wants to

Also, for all intents and purposes, Dragon is a pirate. Only thing he's missing is a Jolly Roger, he fits the bill in literally every other way

Up to and including committing crimes while sailing

[sinful wedge]

But Roger wasn't actively trying to overthrow them, maybe he had a grasp on his character just like with Shanks they knew that he wouldn't normally cause any harm?

We probably need a lot of context to the time before Roger made his second trip

[sand sail]

Roger was the greatest scourge in pirate history, potentially world history as far as most people remember. For Shanks, they were content thinking he wasn't going to cause a war or an alliance, but Roger went out of his way to disrupt everything

It was literally his mission statement starting out

He didn't try to overthrow them, but he certainly got the one place that would let him if he were on time

vs Dragon just turning a few countries around and trying to stop wars

[ancient vault]

thats true
He hasnt made much so far

[sinful wedge]

Idk lol he was pretty lax in the latter phase of his career. That's why I said the context before he made his second trip around the world will be crucial. Dragon is actively trying to stir shit in nations

Wouldn't be surprised if Dragon has a bounty higher than him

[ancient vault]

I wouldnt either

[sand sail]

In the latter phase of his career is when Roger got crazy though

And started studying the poneglyphs, something Dragon doesn't seem to have in his pocket

[ancient vault]

We dont know yet but he was confident in declaring war on the CD now

[sinful wedge]

he had an incurable disease and the ancient weapons wouldn't have meant shit at that point

The WG probably guessed that because of the aforementioned he wouldn't able to do anything to them

[sinful wedge]

Dragon already has some command over all the blues whereas Roger was content with what he was doing in the GL

[sand sail]

Dragon doesn't have command over all of the Blues, he just has outposts. Roger created the great age of Piracy and has actively attacked countries, Dragon's presence anywhere in the world is almost entirely unknown to everyone

And what Roger did in the Grand Line was far worse than what Dragon's been doing everywhere else lol

[sinful wedge]

Still, those outposts have separate commanders of their own, one having a notoriously dangerous one in the form of Belo Betty. Post Enies Lobby, everyone lost their shit at Dragon's name and thought of Luffy as an outlier dumbass for not knowing it

[sand sail]

Yes, for Dragon himself, not his reach. And those outposts hold no sway over anywhere, as far as we've ever seen. They may as well not exist to the story we have now, and we've only seen one person from each at that

[sinful wedge]

Roger sparking a new age of piracy happened when his notoriety wouldn't even matter that much, at his execution. For all the other things, there's not just enough context to conclude on who stirred up more shit on a global scale during their active careers

[sand sail]

The only reason it happened was because his notoriety meant the literal world, even on his death bed.

And we have more than enough evidence to conclude it, it's objectively Roger lol. Dragon hasn't actually pulled out his full plan, there's a 0% chance that he's done anything bigger

Roger changed the face of history with what he did, Dragon hasn't gotten anywhere near that far yet

[ancient vault]

revos already in chapter 96? damn

well dragon was introduced in chapter 100 forgot

[sturdy hawk]

Wasnt that in 46

[pine delta]

end of the day we don't know

[amber oar]

Chapter 96, episode 45

[maiden lynx]

Okay so, what if at the end of Wano, Big Mom dies. (Unlikely I know but stick with me.) Then there is a civil war in the Big Mom pirates like they become the Dogtooth Pirates and the Lick-Lick Pirates?

Just seems like there is some political tension between the siblings.

[silk rain]

I believe katakuri becomes captain, just as far as strength, popularity and influence in the crew

also daifuku said if something happened to BM then katakuri would be the captain of the BM pirates

(NVM I saw the panel but i still think he would be the captain)

[maiden lynx]

I agree that Katakuri would ultimately win out if this happened, but just an idea I wanted to present.

[bitter kraken]

Smoothie seems like she could make a good captain, seems to have a level head and is not stupid looking like perospero lol

She’s also prolly like second strongest of the commanders behind Kata

[maiden lynx]

Can't deny that. I guess I am more thinking how Big Mom's forces will be left split in supporting Luffy, (Katakuri and his loyalists, the more moral of the group,) and supporting Blackbeard, (the more outright evil members.)

[bitter kraken]

Idk I really can’t see her kids supporting luffy, Not even Kata I think he just idk respects, luffy? But to go as far as to fight under him idk idk. And BM’s kids are prolly traitors like perospero who got Marco to fly him to the battle only to turn on him

[maiden lynx]

Still though, without mama to keep them all on the same page, I think there will be some division.

[bitter kraken]

I agree lol it would be interesting to see what they do since they are actual siblings but yet still pirates and I imagine they’ll not be able to keep their territory without the powerhouse that BM is

[weary cliff]

Kata could keep tottaland secure

Give him cocting especially and he'll fill Linlin's shoes well enough

[bitter kraken]

With Coc coating I’d say I agree with you, but without it no way he could hold off another yonko. He’s strong but I just can’t see him fending off kaido, shanks or BB. If he was that strong I imagine he woulda been a yonko himself or sum or maybe not cause he’s a good mommas boy and he wouldn’t want to complete against her

[gleaming vector]

I don't think he could fend off any other Yonko crew though.

[modest skiff]

I think there's an enorrrrrmous difference in power between kata and BM

[gleaming vector]

^^^^^ Luffy beat Katakuri but got One Shot by base Kaido who was equal to base Big Mom

[weak flicker]

So what are your current headcanon theories? Mine are;

• Bonney is Kuma’s mother
• Sabo isn’t dead
• Fujitora and Dr. Vegapunk are part of SWORD
• Judge attempted to create clones of Sanji after his departure from Germa
• CP-0 are secretly running Elbaf
• Some of the CP-0 members that still haven’t had a face reveal are actually CP-9 members (Jabra, Kalifa, Blueno, etc.)
• Dr. Vegapunk has been replicating Admiral abilities into the Pacifistas
• Dragon’s mother is a Celestial Dragon
• Rocks created the Davy Back Fight

[pure raven]

Weapons are infused with devil fruits by using the squeezed juices of the fruit in place of water during the metal-smelting process.

[silk rain]

that would make sense if it wasnt for this mf

[pure raven]

Yeah idk about that one

[weary cliff]

I'm operating under the assumption he's been improving since their fight. Not to the same level as Luffy, but he isn't stagnant

[pure raven]

Rivals tend to keep pace

[sand sail]

I'd actually say that makes more sense

In the teapot's case, I don't think it'd be a forging, but just the fruit getting mixed into water and being used in the pot could've done it

[pure raven]

If they were steeping a piece of devil fruit in the pot like a lemon wedge

[sand sail]

Can't tell if that's strictly porcelain or not is all

Yeh, exactly

Starving people found a strange fruit and decided to try to make something nice out of it

Fits perfectly for Wano too

[upper knot]

Saw this theory on ig

[slim moat]

After person dies, df will be respawn somewhere. Here some inorganic stuff capable of having devilfruit powers.

[pure raven]

The fruit that Smiley had respawned into a nearby fruit, so at least artificial devil fruits appear to transfer to a nearby fruit.

[sand sail]

Smiley's was actually a full fruit

[pure raven]

Doflamingo having Ace's fruit in his possession might be a result of him having a fruit on his person in preparation for the execution.

[sand sail]

The Salamander fruit, I believe? Model Axolotl

[pure raven]

Oh right yeah.

So that's another thought I had, that devil fruits transfer to the nearest fruit. That's a very common notion tho.

[sand sail]

All of this is entirely wrong tho

[dense carbon]

That is the worst possible explanation or theory about Law being a marine.

[slim moat]

The question is how did inorganic items capable of having devil fruit powers?

[sand sail]

It's absolutely atrocious

[sand sail]

We don't know, that's something Vegapunk is supposed to be explaining at some point

[silk rain]

Weapons are infused with devil fruits by using the squeezed juices of the fruit in place of water during the metal-smelting process. - is what @pure raven said

[slim moat]

I believe Vegapunk inserts some form of life into the weapon or object and then 'feed' the df. He has complete blueprint of life. It's possible for him to create lifeforms

And then we have anomaly of that teapot. It doesn't make sense

[sand sail]

Well, that just means that's not how it's done

It's probably physically impossible for him to actually do the method you're thinking there

Vegapunk can't create life out of an inanimate object, the devil fruit is what grants consciousness

[pure raven]

Which is why only zoans have been used for that purpose so far

[sand sail]

^ It was somewhat hinted recently that Zoans are unique in that as well. In one of the newer SBS, Oda mentions that only zoan fruits can be made artificial because of the gene factor, I imagine only they can be fed to objects because they grant consciousness

[silk rain]

it wouldnt be too farfetched to say vegapunk could have a devil fruit for that

[sand sail]

To have a devil fruit that does it is different to him being able to do it through science. That's really farfetched too, though

We already have the fruit that gives life to inanimate things

[maiden terrace]

Could use the human human fruit on inanimate things

[pure raven]

If Chopper wasn't busy with it yeah

You could have a human table or something

[silk rain]

oh god what would the hybrid be

[pure raven]

Well the zoan items haven't shown hybrid forms to my memory

[sand sail]

I wanna say they all have, the teapot looks like it's in a hybrid form there

For sure Funkfreed, it's hard to say because Oda art, lol

[stuck ore]

You think law stands a chance against luffy? He knows better than to attack luffy

[silk rain]

i think hes just sharing it

[stuck ore]

No I am talking about theory itself

Robin already is well aware of pirate betrayals she would know instantly if law does something fishy

[silk rain]

i personally think that even if that were all true law would not betray luffy and would more than likely remain an ally to luffy, even if he reveals it

[grizzled fog]

We know far too much about law at this point for that to be a viable theory

[stuck ore]

Yeah that can as luffy defeated doffy and law changed his heart but he aint gonna betray now

[weary cliff]

All the proof I need

Seriously, even if Law was an undercover marine, I'd trust him. The D's have integrity even when working for the WG

[amber oar]

that theory again?

[pure raven]

Like BB SHOWED lol

[slim moat]

Why we have to doubt character's intentions just cuz we believe in some theory?
Whatever Law will do, it will be in the story later. So far Luffy didn't face any problems. It's pointless to paint him as some secret agent with very little proof.

[weary cliff]

BB as fucked up as he is does have his own brand of integrity. Like when he didn't kick Luffy while he was down at ID

[pure raven]

Teach genuinely likes Luffy

[pure raven]

Bb means only business back then at ID he came to gather a bunch of monsters not to fight luffy

[weary cliff]

I don't mean fighting, he respected Luffy's resolve to save Ace

[pure raven]

Well idk tbh

[dense carbon]

Speaking of horrible Law theories, I just read one where Law will betray SH in order to save his sister who is actually alive

And being held as a test subject

[silk rain]

bro what brought the sister into it 😂

[dense carbon]

Idk where tf people come up with this shit

[pure raven]

Till now the attitude law has given in anime it only shows that he have faith and trust in SH from start

So if he ever need help he can always ask or rely on them (idt he need though)

[maiden lynx]

I believe Takking101's half joke half serious theory of at every execution of a Devil Fruit use, there is some guy with a basket full of fruit, so that they can immedietly get their hands on it.

[pure raven]

Oh for sure

[maiden lynx]

I wonder if the Marines have punishments or even rules against unauthorized Devil Fruit eating. Like if a squad of Marines were just scouting out an island and a fresh recruit just found a fruit, could he eat it?

[pure raven]

That's a good question, I imagine there's some kind of rule structure in place

[weary cliff]

If pirate crews have rules dictating fruit distribution, you bet the navy does

[pure raven]

They may have to be identified upon finding them

[maiden lynx]

Yeah I would not put it past them to execute a kid just because he ate a fruit without permission.

they would probably claim he was trying to jump rank.

[fallow plaza]

for what

[silk rain]

I might be mistaken but I think for devil fruits + inanimate objects

[ancient vault]

yh its that

[silk rain]

because for example an inanimate object would not have a mind without a zoan, like if spandams sword ate the gum-gum fruit he wouldn't be able to talk to it or anything

[rigid needle]

Made a theory post, would love some feedback: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p37tjh/dr_vegapunk_bartholomew_kuma_devil_fruit/

[maiden lynx]

What if Im-Sama's title is God, either with a capital G or all caps. Not Kami, not written in katakana, just straight up in English, GOD.

[round basin]

big moms laugh is the rythm to the one piece

[wicked charm]

Jaguar D Saul: am i a joke to you

[pure raven]

Wano arc will soon over and their r still lots of things we yet to see like lead performers one on one fight king and queens hybrid form sanji raid suit in full function, jack hybrid form and him using Fishman karate , usoop getting spotlight for once in final fight. tobi rappo fight was awesome except page one(HE was only chasing and chasing usoop and nami) and Sasaki fight . We still don't know about the mysterious figure who healed akazaya samurai and about kaido and yamato's fight and ig soon we will get to see kaido's flashback I wish if we get to know about ROCKS and GOD VALLEY Incident because it played a major role in kaido's life ( ODA ALSO MENTIONED WANO WILL REVEAL A LURKING LEGEND) since we didn't get to see God VALLEY incident in big moms flashback ( And importance of wano ) how much of info did ODEN LOGBOOK CONTAIN regarding void century laugh tale and the initial of D.
If Robin or law get odens logbook it will be insane( since anime director also mentioned that WANO is most important arc to main story)

[rare wing]

I don't really think luffy can defeat kaido all by himself, so I thought of different ways -

There are 5 ways kaido might die

1. Rookie trio beats him

2. Monster trio beats him

3. Adult momo, luffy & Yamato beats him

4. Some navy guy like Ryokugyu appears

5. The old bastard blackbeard appears

[rare wing]

I personally stand with option 3, what you think?

[pure raven]

Luffy did mentioned that he had found a way to defeat kaido

[slim moat]

Luffy can beat Kaido on his own now. If you check their last round, Kaido was knocked down for brief time.

[silk rain]

add marco and sure

[rare wing]

it's still hard to digest

[silk rain]

im still locking in on the momotaro theory

[wicked charm]

Marcos connection to Wb might trigger the Rocks flashback lol

[rare wing]

I mean, kaido did face the likes of Roger, Newgate & Shanks who are much better at what luffy is trying to achieve

[slim moat]

why? we seen luffy beating him. He just have to repeat the performance.

[silk rain]

I want to see a bit more, because although he did damage to kaido, the red scabbards did the same and he recovered fast af

[pure raven]

I don't think it is hard to digest since luffy is main protagonist and since from start his fight against kaido luffy has shown a huge amount of growth that he have won the respect of kaido he is getting strong while fighting. Since I have seen luffy vs katakuri I think luffy vs kaido is not a hard thing

[rare wing]

there is a difference between wounding and defeating

[slim moat]

Luffy was crude and clumsy. He got little breathing space now. He will improve his techniques.

[robust sky]

it was not kanjuto who healed the samurai's?
it was someone?

[silk rain]

plus he got that swamp meat lmao

[rare wing]

or maybe Buggy will come and avenge his dear Oden

[slim moat]

Serious wounds mean defeat, right?

[silk rain]

I still think the momotaro theory is the most likely, where marco, yamato, luffy and momo all join to defeat kaido

[slim moat]

rarely you get to eat food while in middle of serious fight.

[ancient vault]

the rocks flashvack will be just simply be part of his overall backstory. Dont need marco for that

[ancient vault]

Hiyori

most likel,

[robust sky]

but not clarified right?

[ancient vault]

Nah but shes the most likely

[robust sky]

i thought it was kanjuro

[ancient vault]

Why would kanjuro heal the scabbars? lol and he doesnt even look like the silhouette that was shown

[robust sky]

yeah

[robust sky]

i read the chapter again and the figure has a smaller body hahahaha

[ancient vault]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/nikas-spear-is-the-lance-of-longinus.16374/

the panel he is referencing

[pure raven]

Takes me back to the baratie arc when Zeff talked about Luffys spear

[lost spoke]

Luffy isn't a weapon user so he won't get an actual spear but I think its a metaphor. The "spear" they are refering to is also a central point to One Piece, will. The will to overcome and rise to the top. You can use your will as a weapon. If you want something tangible and literal, maybe luffy will name his final attack after it but I think its just the concept behind Nika's design.

[ancient vault]

I dont think luffys gonna get a spear either but I like the idea of Nikas weapon being the supreme grade spear

[buoyant sapphire]

Months ago I found the best OP ending theory on YT which unfortunately it seems no one heard about it. At first it may sound ridiculous but it has tons of evidences. Sadly it's in Arabic not English "it has English captions though". Anyway the short summary is like this:
Every map that we have about OP world is wrong, OP earth is much bigger than what we think it is. This is the reason why Oda didn't show us earth in Enel cover story "As a matter of fact we never had an official OP world map". The endless amount of earth that Enel was looking for is the earth itself! It's so big that even if you sail your entire life you will never reach the end! The reason that why no one found laughtail all these years without having poneglyphs is that it's most likely beyond that redline that everyone assumed it's the other side of the reverse mountain!

This is why roger laughed when he found out about everything, he thought laughtail was the last island and he sailed all the world but in reality it was only the beginning!

This is why WG gave roger pirate king title. To hide the truth! they said he sailed the entire world!

I know I know, this sounds ridiculous but it makes sense in many ways, You can find tons of evidences yourself if keep this idea in mind. This was a very short summary, so don't judge before watching all the videos.
The theorist has some lets say crazy beliefs but the main idea is great. Watch it all and you, yourself decide which parts are right and which are wrong. One more thing, it does not have spoilers for anime onlys.
Here is the link:

https://linktr.ee/GoodTimesBoss

[ancient vault]

dont mention other series here and thats a spoiler too

[stuck ore]

Okay

[stuck ore]

Enel was looking for endless vearth not earth

Vearth as in land no water

And the theory has no influence on story whatsoever as the pirates literally travel at equator and go around the world

[acoustic helm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p3kjbo/the_answer_to_who_is_luffys_mother_spoilers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[buoyant sapphire]

He is talking about endless world. Which means endless land and endless water!
Did you watch all the videos? I don't think so! And what u mean it has no influence on story?! Ppl talking about all kind of stupid stuff all the time but the theory which talks about the one piece treasure itself is not important?

[stuck ore]

Well it was confirmed that red line goes all across the planet

And I am also pretty sure oda has released an official picture of the planet

And also in ohara backstory there was a solar system you can clearly see the planets in it

[amber oar]

lmaowhat

[sand sail]

We've had several maps and globes, at least one actually made by Oda. I don't think this theory will end up being the case, not a whole other side of the planet being hidden.

[bitter kraken]

The one who helped the scabs was that ninja leader with the long ears that hangs out with Orochi

[ancient vault]

It was hiyori

[maiden lynx]

Wano Act III will end when Luffy makes it back to face Kaido and all the final 1v1 match ups are set. Act IV will end with the defeat of Kaido. Act V will be the epilogue. That is typically the structure of five act plays.

[ancient vault]

Yes of 5 act plays. Who said this is gonna be a 5 act play? There are lots of kabuki plays who have only 4 or even 3 acts

[maiden lynx]

Didn't know that.

[teal nymph]

i wonder what is the marking/ tattoo on maria's back could it be same as the one hancock and her sisters had ?

[waxen dust]

No Wano will have 8 acts

[obtuse gazelle]

I forgot there were acts

[maiden lynx]

NVM

[ancient vault]

Also kabuki 5 acts end in tragedy on the 3rd act. The way this is heading I dont see another grand tragedy coming soon

[maiden lynx]

There is no way her tattoo could cover up the CD brand

[waxen dust]

the tragedy will be no 5 acts lol

[obtuse gazelle]

BPZA ?

[waxen dust]

Beast Pirate Zoan Awakenings

[ancient vault]

Would be funny

If they all come back together

[ancient vault]

Its not the same at all

[waxen dust]

you mean Tobi Roppo?

[sharp cape]

i heard from a homie usopps nose is the one piece that true

[waxen dust]

ask that question on #manga , here’s not the right place

[sharp cape]

myb

[obtuse gazelle]

If they all come back I can see WW getting an ass whooping from King

[ancient vault]

Yeah maybe even calamaties. Like the guards in impel down

[forest rampart]

That gives me an idea that Usopp will kill Imu since I'm sure that Usopp will become Nika.

[ancient vault]

[waxen dust]

As much as I would LOVE for the Tobi Roppo to come back; I think Tobi Roppo are done, but I definitely believe Calamities and Kaido will have awakening, think that’s what separates the power scaling for those two groups. Idk if Jack will have it tho since he’s a stooge.

[obtuse gazelle]

Kaido doesn’t necessarily need an awakening

[bitter kraken]

Jack has been pretty disappointing lol I thought at first kaido woulda executed him for failing to get back doffy

[obtuse gazelle]

King and Queen might have some sort of power up or trick up there sleeves

[ancient vault]

Kaido isnt as dumb as punishing someone for losing to sengoku and fujitora lol

[bitter kraken]

Yeah I know but at first when they introduced him, he seemed unstable af and I thought he was prone to fits of rage and would execute members of his crew in a whim lol

[waxen dust]

Kaido doesn’t accept noobs on his crew, he’s a noobslayer

[forest rampart]

I've been searching of different ways for how Imu will die.
Some ways I've been thinking are that she will stab/killed herself (suicide) at the very end of the Final War.
The other way would be that she will be willingly exposed herself to danger, maybe something like how Toki wanted to die because she wanted to join Oden's side.
The 3rd option is that Akainu will kill her.
I can't really see Luffy or Dragon kill Imu afterall.
And yes, Usopp will kill Imu is just a joke lol

[obtuse gazelle]

Kaido is too wise to act like that

[stuck ore]

What about wano backstory?

What about kaido backstory?

What about king backstory now that his species is claimed special?

[weary cliff]

King gets maybe 2 pages for his stuff. At most

[bitter kraken]

Imu is prolly a dude and won’t kill him self lol he prolly is an immortal from the void century

[stuck ore]

Still we kaido backstory gotta be big

And why did wano close its bordera

[waxen dust]

Yeah I don’t King’s identity will be all that special, I think it’s more of a gag

Kaido backstory has to be as long as Oden’s backstory imo

[obtuse gazelle]

King’s race is far from a gag, it won’t be explored thoroughly in Wano. But it is definitely a big part of the plot

[stuck ore]

I think wano backstory is that

The shogun saw shandora collapse in the hand of wg and wano immediately closed its borders to avoid getting destroyed in void century

[acoustic helm]

So it is safe to say taht no koido vs luffy till 1030

[forest rampart]

Here's my guess on when Wano will end

(vol 99) Chp 1004 + 10 = 1014 (vol 100)
→release date: september 2021
→3 volumes for 2021 (2 vol previous year)

assuming:
1014 + 10 = 1024 (vol 101)
1024 + 10 = 1034 (vol 102)
1034 + 10 = 1044 (vol 103)
1044 + 10 = 1054 (vol 104)

So Wano will end in 2023

[stuck ore]

Nah it will be before that

Or maybe at ch 1030

[bitter kraken]

Op is supposed to end in 5 years right? So that means maybe just one or two more arcs after wano

[acoustic helm]

There are other battles to be concluded

[stuck ore]

That's too long wano is like 15-20 more chapters

The raid at wano

[acoustic helm]

We can see oda in rush by seeing tobbi roppo fight

[bitter kraken]

We need to see what law is doing, dude is going around sight seeing while a war rages

[waxen dust]

this may be the most logical thing you’ve ever said. I think though Mid-Late 2022 will be the ending

[stuck ore]

Nah I think he is rushing for kaido fight

[waxen dust]

Oda definitely rushing for Kaido fight

[acoustic helm]

We need two chap each for queen and king atleast

[bitter kraken]

Kaido has had multiple fights already and is still walking around like a boss 😎

[acoustic helm]

Koido is the strongest

[waxen dust]

The raid should end in about 20 chapters, Wano itself has about 30 more chapters

[acoustic helm]

He was hyped right

[bitter kraken]

Yeah he came as advertised

[stuck ore]

And you gotta give credit to jinbei and franky

Jinbei was a warlord and franky's strength based on upgrades

And as for robin I think she seemingly unlocked similar to gear 2nd but her fruit

[acoustic helm]

Atleast happy to see time skip helped robin

[stuck ore]

Yes

[bitter kraken]

Frankys body most be made out of some very strong metal to be able to take on powerful opponents, cause we’ve seen metal left and right getting destroyed by attackes in OP

[acoustic helm]

We need God ussop headshot koido

[stuck ore]

That's what I said his body is getting upgraded

[bitter kraken]

I’m wondering what kinda metal he is made out of

[stuck ore]

Nope usopp shoots a fruit in kaido's mouth and kaido dies instantly

[bitter kraken]

I thought for a long time it was sea stone but that can’t be right

[acoustic helm]

Or maybe ussop shines more in elbaf

[stuck ore]

Nope if it was seastone

He will destroy kaido army

[acoustic helm]

Wapo metal

[forest rampart]

I don't think that Oda will ever introduce an actual immortal person.
I'm confident that Imu is a woman thus was why I can't see Luffy or Dragon killing her but I can see she will die.
The immortal people we've seen so far are: Kaido, Brook (but he was granted 2nd life, so he'll die at his 2nd death), Kureha but not at all since it's just that she lives a long life.
There's a possibility that someone that has undergone the eternal youth surgery by Ope Ope no Mi in the past and I think it was Imu.

[stuck ore]

Enel is pretty immortal considering he travelled in space

I still wanna see enel's race

[bitter kraken]

Luffy dosnt really kill, but I don’t see why dragon wouldn’t kill imu if it’s a female? Equality and all that 👍🏻

[stuck ore]

Imu is dragon's wife confirmed

[bitter kraken]

That would make sense lol

[forest rampart]

I used to think like that but then after doing the calculation, I realised that I was wrong.
I've said before that I think Kaido will be defeated around Chp 1035 (or Chp 1038 max), and Wano will end at Chp 1050, but Federick suggested Chp 1052 in which it's also around that chapter.
Also, that's the most logical thing I've ever said? lol :FujiLUL:

[stuck ore]

F for emote

[waxen dust]

Anyone wants to take a guess at what this cover page could be foreshadowing?
For starters, Zoro is wearing a Sun on the back of his shirt; I found that interesting

[acoustic helm]

[bitter kraken]

Robin bent over as always

[acoustic helm]

Luffy kicking marijoes

[stuck ore]

I ama more concerned about nami's body it seems so realistic

[forest rampart]

I rather guess that the map Usopp was holding is Elbaf's map

[acoustic helm]

Robin pointing laughtale maybe

[slim moat]

zoro sun god confirmed.

[stuck ore]

Wait nami is literally squeezing the bird's eyeball

[ancient vault]

the map was foreshadowing enma btw. The map zoro is holding

[acoustic helm]

Look at shape of land in the map ussop is holding ,,it resembles demon like stuff

[ancient vault]

Its kaido. The key in taking out kaido is getting eaten by him and then killing him from inside out

[waxen dust]

I find it interesting how for each map there also seems to be an animal focused on it. 4 maps, 4 animals, just another observation

[stuck ore]

There are 5

Chopper

[waxen dust]

oh wait...Usopp’s map. The geographical structure looks like a creature if you look closely you see a mouth

[forest rampart]

Yea, look like an ogre

[tired osprey]

that hihimaru will get a pirate costume

[forest rampart]

I think it's an Elbaf map because of Usopp's arc. And Usopp wore a viking helmet. And only he and Luffy said that they'll go to Elbaf one day.

[waxen dust]

TTLN confirmed then, Hihimaru & Tama go along with the SHs 👀

[forest rampart]

Hihimaru's dead

[muted horizon]

i honestly think that one piece's power is to revive one person from the dead but the person chose the person to be revived would die , roger might hv revived joyboy which is luffy , and i think one piece will end by luffy trying to revive ace and when luffy is abt to die law makes luffy immortal

any opinions on my theory ?

[waxen dust]

Nami’s map is interesting as well, it’s got a castle and a Lochness monster (which is a Scottish folklore) very interesting

[acoustic helm]

To shallow, Roger didn't die instant
Why they laugh then

[muted horizon]

he also cried laughing and it doesnt mean that the person must die in an instant

[forest rampart]

I think Nami's map is AK's map. Or maybe Jaya in the past. It will only be either of them imo.

[acoustic helm]

Revive and reborn are two different things.. @muted horizon

[stuck ore]

If you look closely robin is pointing at an island very near the red line that means she is either pointing to sabody or final island of one piece

[muted horizon]

then it could be reborn

[stuck ore]

And there is also an island above the final island matched with a knife

[waxen dust]

possibly, but what does a Lochness monster have to do with AK? I was thinking is has something to do with what is hatched out from Roger’s egg. Or simply another island we’ll soon visit that’s Scotland influenced

[sand sail]

Oda went on record saying he doesn't like when people are brought back, so this probably won't end up being a thing tbh

[stuck ore]

What a joke oda made

[acoustic helm]

Theory should have depth , everything you assume must be based of something..

[forest rampart]

Luffy's feet foreshadow the destruction of the second half of Red Line. Robin was explaining that the seas will merge into one thus forming the All Blue that is Sanji's dream (Sanji and Chopper are there with Robin).

[waxen dust]

there is also a knife stabbed into the globe, so I’m curious which location is more important? The one stabbed into the globe or the one Robin is showing Chopper and Sanji

[stuck ore]

The thing that intrests me more is that the knife on globe lies between 3 islands and prolly one island behind knife therefore marking an island between 4 islands

No all four islands are shown on map

[acoustic helm]

How will big mom escape wano??

Same. With beast pirates?

[forest rampart]

Idk about Lochness monster. It looks like a dinosaur to me. But now you've mentioned it, I think that is Zunesha, or it's species. I'm leaning to actual Zunesha that we have now.

[waxen dust]

it’s definitely Lochness monster, looks exactly like one and is coming out of the water just like how depicted.

looks nothing like an elephant

[forest rampart]

"Small" Zunesha, his past size

[forest rampart]

Is it East Blue or North Blue?

[waxen dust]

All these islands may be the ones depicted on the treasure maps, and the title says “planning new adventures”, so it could be islands that they’ll go and one of them could have the last road poneglyph, which would explain why the knife is stabbed between those islands on the globe.

[forest rampart]

I thought it is East Blue in which it would make sense since it is the weakest sea and was Roger's hometown (Loguetown), also Luffy (Goa Island, and Fossha Village).
But it looks like it is North Blue (Sanji's birthplace/ Germa 66). Idk

I checked wiki just now and it seems that Montblanc Norland was also from North Blue.

[stuck ore]

yep its too similar to east blue

[forest rampart]

I'm curious about the map that Zoro was holding. Is it Wano? Or Shimotsuki village?

[stuck ore]

and yes they look like 4 islands and a knife between it when i zoomed with my laptop

[stuck ore]

wano definately position of enma or smth

[forest rampart]

What's that?

[stuck ore]

just a sec

nami map

[forest rampart]

Isn't it was stated in the manga that Wano was divided into different regions? Has it ever been explained if someone divided Wano by literally cutting it so that it becomes what it is nowadays?

[stuck ore]

who knows

but it will be cleared in wano backstory

[modest skiff]

I think it’s more likely something happened and it was reassembled in Wano

Big ole giants dragging pieces of it to somewhere safe

[forest rampart]

Just realised that I said I made a mistake here. Wanted to say Chp 1050 or Chp 1052.

[forest rampart]

Yeah what was I'm thinking, I just realised that lol. But hey, I found smth

Elephant

In a 1979 article, California biologist Dennis Power and geographer Donald Johnson claimed that the "surgeon's photograph" was the top of the head, extended trunk and flared nostrils of a swimming elephant photographed elsewhere and claimed to be from Loch Ness.[40] In 2006, palaeontologist and artist Neil Clark suggested that travelling circuses might have allowed elephants to bathe in the loch; the trunk could be the perceived head and neck, with the head and back the perceived humps. In support of this, Clark provided a painting.[119]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster

Can't it be the Neptunians tho?

[waxen dust]

I actually heard of this story before, because back years ago traveling circuses didn’t have the necessary appliances to properly take care of their animals so they would usually allow the bigger animals to bath in ponds, lakes, etc. So yeah it’s coincidental incident that so happened to depict an elephant as a mythological creature.

[forest rampart]

Interesting

[silk rain]

Hear me out: What if (since each island had their own climate), the individual regions of wano were all moved to the same place (most likely for safety by locking other people out). They were part of the same alliance/group before the void century which used what we now know as the kozuki crest to show their unity. Thats also why they think that they are one country, because all regions had the same crest. That also explains why Zou has the kozuki crest, because it was part of the same group. However, it wasnt moved to the Wano country to become another region because its a literal elephant, and it is already safe from others. (i think law stated humans are scared to go to zou or something)

just my rough idea

[modest skiff]

Yeah basically same thought. Seems like Wano was intentionally built with a diverse set of pieces. I can see why some people say it was the original AK. It seems like it was similar at least

[fast trench]

Clearly foreshadowing for Luffy gomu gomu no gigant axe-ing the red line and destroying it

[ancient vault]

lmaao

[waxen dust]

I definitely believe this cover page has LOTS of foreshadowing, even after the fact it was released right before Zoro getting Enma.

[forest rampart]

Zoro got Enma.
What will Usopp get? Nika spear? Something to upgrade his Kabuto? A warrior cloth so that his silhouette will look like the warrior Nika?
What will Nami get? The One Piece? Some gold? Other kind of treasure? A map?

[acoustic helm]

Ussop warrior of the sea

[forest rampart]

Brave warrior of the sea. Will get his epithet at Elbaf

[acoustic helm]

Loki in elbaf

[waxen dust]

Loki vs Usopp

[acoustic helm]

Low key ..

[modest skiff]

I truly do think this happens, but yeah maybe not yet

[waxen dust]

Assuming if each map is meant to represent a gain for each SH holding it
Zoro-Enma
Usopp-Epithet Hero of Elbaf/Brave Warrior (viking hat)
Nami- Queen of the Pirates (Parrot with the crown)

Also Brook with a telescope MAY have something to do with him possibly knowing Astrology

[forest rampart]

More like Brook was checking the Space Pirates on the Moon (also Enel)

[ancient vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/477571830941614080/875765422157336606/image0.png?width=875&height=640

[waxen dust]

No people have made mention a few times how Brook having some kind of relationship with Astrology. Iirc some of his moves even reference to Astrology in some ways

[ancient vault]

U guys might as well take a look at the caption

[modest skiff]

Brook should be good with astrology IMO after watching the stars for 50 years

[waxen dust]

that’s why I have more so focused on the maps and what they’ve been containing

[pure raven]

is this sarcasm cuz I really want this to happen

[modest skiff]

Personally I think he will punch it since that's his family's thing. But a kick would also likely do the trick. But I want his fist to go through it

[forest rampart]

I don't think it's about titles. It have to be items imo. Because I think that Luffy and Zoro might get a new epithet in Wano. Probably a big one too that might tell us something big too.
Thinking again, I don't think that Usopp will get a warrior cloth because the Final War at Mariejois is still far away (there'll be Laugh Tale, and 1 year TS before the Final War).
I need to think some other stuff that might suit Usopp and Nami other than those that I stated above.

[modest skiff]

At some point, Luffy is gonna decide the red line is an issue and he's gonna take care of it the same way he has taken care of other issues

[waxen dust]

There’s no way gonna be a timeskip before Final War, the tension is already building up for it to happen within a few weeks or months

[forest rampart]

I don't remember anything but I do remember seeing a theory about this.
One of it might be about how he said that Luffy was born under a lucky star and claimed that he was the same.
But Usopp also said/wondered if Sanji was born under a lucky star or smth.

[forest rampart]

A timeskip is needed for the preparation of the big war. They need to prepare for some things, not just for the war.

[modest skiff]

I think a lot of it depends on what happened at reverie and what BB is doing

As is the case with most things, it all comes down to BB

[waxen dust]

Maybe a few weeks, but it cannot be a year especially if the Gorosei are already planning for another “Purification”. It has to be sooner than that, before everything it reset back to 0.

[silk rain]

Can you go backwards from the new world to the grand line? because before going to laugh tale they need the poneglyph at fishman island plus they need to go all the way back to mariejois for the final war (if its there)

Idk how the log pose would work, but if you cant go backwards that would take at least a year

but then again the arcs like elbaph and sabo arc might just be while they are doing that, or on the way so it wouldnt be much of a timeskip

[forest rampart]

I agree. But then I think Oda plans to make it a year because of two foreshadows:

• At TB, Brook "asked" Laboon to wait for him for a year or two.
• At FMI, the mermaids asked SHs to stay with them for a year. I think only Sanji and Brook agreed to the idea.

Within the one year TS:

• The Sea Kings need to find those that can repair Noah Ark. And maybe the repair will take about 1 year.

• Other than SHs, the Dressrosa Alliance also need to prepare themselves.

• I think Tama will also prepare herself with things: training, weaving "one thousand" straw hats, maybe also taming the animals like I've told you before but I still can't confirm this one.

[waxen dust]

They’re probably be a way to travel without directly using the log pose. What I think could happen is everyone meets up at Mariejoas at the same time and that’s when the fight happens.

Also the Road Poneglyph isn’t on FMI, we don’t know where it is currently. I assume it’s somewhere further ahead within the New World.

[forest rampart]

@tired osprey You probably want to read this

[tired osprey]

Thanks

Weaving a thousand strawhats

Sounds tough tho

[forest rampart]

Robin can lend a few hands

[weak flicker]

So do you think the final war will happen before or after Raftel? I could see it going either way but I’m not sure.

[silk rain]

Im guessing what is on raftel will spark the final war

[weak flicker]

I’m fine with the final war being the last arc, but I’m just worried that it wouldn’t be able to top a true ending Raftel as the last one could deliver.

[bitter kraken]

What even is the final war?

[weak flicker]

Everyone fighting each other as Luffy nears Raftel or finally becomes King. WG, BB, RA, you name it.

[autumn crypt]

if you look closely luffys there are luffys feet on the map a sword and robins finger so 4 points. whitebeard flag and world government flag has 4 points and another one in the middle of them so i you draw the line of those 4 you get the 5th point

[autumn crypt]

zoro has a sun on his t shirt and pirate = sunpirates luff = sungod?

[autumn crypt]

zoro is also watching a map that looks like his face and on the right eye is a cross... one bird is similiar to the one seen in sky island... could it be that they have to go there again for the treasure? enel comeback incoming?

brook is also looking up to the sky with his lense thing

[olive quail]

Its either the fight for pk, or the fight to overthrow the WG, or both at the same time

What do you guys thing the final saga will be called? In my mind a few names could be "Laugh Tale", "Pirate King" (since the current one is Four Emperors), "Final War"/"Climax War" (parallel to Summit War, the last saga pre-timeskip).

[pure raven]

do u guys think luffy will find the one piece and become pirate, before he goes to war with the world government, or after he takes them down

i think it wud be cooler if he shows up to the war as king of pirates

also him finding the one piece first wud make sense cuz there poneglyphs there and they probaly tell what happens and what they need to do

[zenith valley]

anyone wanna talk about theories?

[cyan berry]

this is what the channel is for

keep it serious though

...ignore my nickname

[light onyx]

Is rayleighs wife from sky island ?

[ancient vault]

if you dont know what to talk about check out the pinned theories

[ancient vault]

as far as we no she isnt and she doesnt have any indication to be

[light onyx]

Welll

Ong I’m stupid asf

I legit thought there were wings

I have Never been so disappointed in myself

[pure raven]

💀💀

[ancient vault]

"the final journey"?

Or wait thats not how sagas are called. Eh probably pirate king saga or sth

[bitter kraken]

I don’t think luffy is going to war the world gov or take them down, that’s the revos ain’t it

[weary cliff]

It's a common thought that knowing the history from LT will prompt the conflict with the WG one way or the other. Ever since Sharley predicted Luffy destroying FMI, the obvious answer is that it would occur as collateral damage of him blowing up Mariejois

[autumn crypt]

Is Mariejois above Sabaody Archipel?

[queen arrow]

not really

they're near each other, but Mary Geoise isn't directly above it

[autumn crypt]

Is Fishman Island under Mariejois or Sabaody?

[queen arrow]

under Mary Geoise

i think?

[olive quail]

You right

[autumn crypt]

Was Sharley predction the Destruction of Fishman Island via luffys Hand?

[olive quail]

Yes. She said he would do it

I assume he'll physically destroy fishman island while the seakings pull the citizens in the Noah under the command of Shirahoshi toward the surface.

[autumn crypt]

I still wonder how the collateral damage of destroying mariejois could destroy Fishman Island

The fmi is very deep under the water

[olive quail]

Well its based on the theory that Pluton will be used to destroy that part of the red line and unite the 4 blues, forming the All Blue. Pieces of a continent sinking to the bottom of the ocean would def destroy fishman island

[autumn crypt]

Wasn't pluton a weapon in a pirate ship ? Sounds a little bit op if a pirate ship can destroy a continent

[supple anchor]

pluton was the whole ship

[olive quail]

No, pluton is a battleship, not just a weapon on the ship. And thats kinda the point. Pluton was said to destroy islands

[supple anchor]

although we dont know whats its capable of yet, as an ancient weapon that the WG wants you gotta expect something truly powerful

theres also Uranus, the 3rd weapon that we know nothing about other than a name

[bitter kraken]

I’d really like to know how the ancient kingdom got destroyed if it had weapons like that, I mean it’s been 800 years and the gov or anyone has been unable to make a weapon to rival the ancient ones. Oda could make a new series based on the void century and back then, I bet anything it would be as successful as OP is

[modest skiff]

I think Imu betrayed them so they could rule

[little kelp]

where do you guys think the fourth red poneglyph is?

[supple anchor]

imma guess its with shanks

[ancient vault]

caribou has it

[sullen lion]

land of giants... shanks knows where it is but the giants protect it.

[pure raven]

Caribou has the swamp fruit

[silk rain]

I dont remember where I first heard of it, but I think that the road poneglyphs were given to different races, "humans/samurai (wano)" "Minks (zou)" "Giants (WCI)" "Dont know yet (ancient race(king), ancient giants)" The only basis for this is that the road poneglyphs wouldnt be hidden in the same location twice, and most likely be entrusted to powerful people.

At many times in the manga we've heard that the wano samurai are extremely dangerous, and we also know that the country is closed off from the world. That displays the safety of the road poneglyph. The minks also are the same, they are known as fierce fighters and they were said to hate humans, along with being isolated from the rest of the world on an elephant. Giants are obviously a fearsome race, and they were known to be extremely powerful (the giant pirates from the past). However, I think that Big moms road poneglyph may have been taken from elbaf because of her history and knowledge with it. It wouldn't make sense for her to find it randomly. The last road poneglyph we havent seen is the one we are waiting to see, however. (King's race, and ancient giants are possible)

thats just my take on it

[supple anchor]

one of the road poneglyphs was on FMI when roger was looking for them. thats in line with the different races theory

[slim moat]

iirc Roger got one from Big Mom and they got the last one from unknown island.

Fishman and Giants didn't have the red poneglyph. At least since Roger's time

[silk rain]

they did have one but its gone now

[slim moat]

who? Giants?

[silk rain]

I meant fishmen

[slim moat]

Are there any theories about last poneglyph?

I thought this one is last poneglyph

[silk rain]

wait is this an unknown island? it doesnt line up anymore

[slim moat]

One is in Zou. One is at Big Mom's place. one is in Wano. the last one is still not known.

[ancient vault]

thats not a road one I think

[silk rain]

Ok now im really confused because its confirmed the fishmen had a road poneglyph

[slim moat]

Wiki says it was at Fishman's island. But Big mom would be having 2 of them if it is true. Or Robin would have taken copy of it back in FMi

[ancient vault]

1. Big Mom
2. Zou
3. Wano
4. Was in FMI was taken by someone else

[silk rain]

yes

[ancient vault]

Most assume shanks took it

[silk rain]

Theories also say whitebeard, cus he previously had FMI under his territory

[ancient vault]

Yeah but it dodsnt seem like it was literally stolen

[silk rain]

Something that I find extremely weird is that Neptune never said anything to robin about the road poneglyph during their conversation

[slim moat]

who could have stolen/taken it? FMI was under whitebeard protection. Later under BM. BM wouldn't allow someone to take it away. Whitebeard took it?

[ancient vault]

Shanks

Someone friendly. Not an enemy

[silk rain]

Yes its far more likely that Neptune entrusted it to someone rather than someone stealing it

[junior cape]

Yep

All we know is that between Roger and now, it went """missing"""

[silk rain]

I looked online and people say:

• WB remnants (may have been entrusted to WB)
• Shanks (He is holding onto it for luffy)
• Blackbeard (he used to be on WB's crew, so he had knowledge of it)
• Gaban (Idk where this one came from, but some think hes on lodestar waiting for the next roger 😂 )

Also another one is world government, who possibly tricked them into giving it to them

[slim moat]

Didn't Jimbe gift one poneglyph to Big Mom?

[silk rain]

It would probably just be a copy if jinbe did gift one

[slim moat]

Okay. That one is different. Jinbe found it somewhere else

[junior cape]

Jinbe gave that poneglyph to big mom as a present

Sorry, Jimbei

[dusky acorn]

By eliminating any villains who took the road poneglyph, I assume the main person you have in mind is Blackbeard. Him not being the one to take it it is pretty realistic considering he's only had two years to try, out of all those 2 decades it would have been up for grabs.

It being in the hands of Shanks is easily the most appealing thing since it conditions Blackbeard to be ambitious and proactive as he always is, and setting up the conflict between them.

Ideally leading into defeating Shanks, taking the glyph, and making it the true battle for PK with Blackbeard and his 1 glyph vs Luffy and his 3, holing the weight of what Blackbeard just did in his mind. Events probably won't transpire as linear as I envision it though

And Shanks might not have his own sights for the One Piece, but there's reason for him to want to be directly tied to people trying to reach the goalpost. For one, it ascertains Luffy would absolutely have to cross his path

[wicked forum]

When someone ates devil fruit he/she dies and his soul chancing with a devil soul so devil fruits have devil souls and there can't be two souls in one body thats the why ppl cant eat 2 fruits

Like if someone dies his soul Get it out of his body but in the anime it explaining like when someone ates devil fruit he literally dies thats the why fruit users cant swim but think about it they need a soul to life

Fruit users souls chance into fruits devil soul

There cant be two souls in one body in enies lobby it explaining like that when someone ates two fruit his body cant handle two devil souls in his body and his body explodes

Thats a Proof of fruits have devil souls

When someone ates fruit he dies his soul get it out of his body and devil souls gets inside his body and they lives

And if this theory is true devil fruits have souls in theirselfs

And devil fruits have power it means devils souls have powers

And thats the why when someone ates devil fruits he gets some powers

When a fruit user dies his soul turns into a devil fruit again

But they have a devil soul fruit users havent got normal souls

So devil souls have powers and when they dies their soul turns into a fruit on earth

Fruit are not devil fruits they are the devil

[autumn crypt]

After this zoros interest for protecting wano country became higher than ever

[pure raven]

are there any leading theories as to who this is?

[copper frost]

most likely hiyori

[ancient vault]

Hiyori

[steel bane]

This was oden but it was actually kanjuro

[ancient vault]

No it wasnt lol. This doesnt even look like oden

[pure raven]

how do we know it's hiyori?

[ancient vault]

because she looks exactly like the silhouette and she has medical knowledge. As well as who else heals the scabbards

[light onyx]

Everyone with d is against the world nobles

[light onyx]

Can’t kanjuro draw oden

[autumn crypt]

some people said it was enel lmao but it is hiyori

[minor crater]

Enel won’t stand a day in onigishima without tryna kill people he won’t save em

[pure raven]

okay okay so here's my theory

I'm an Indonesian, and as i thought, Joyboy was ""based"" on Joyo boyo / Jaya baya where he is a King in Java in early 1200's. i found out some relations about Joyboy with Joyo boyo.

Joyo boyo is pronounced as Joyboy in Japanese.

He was the ruler / king in Java in the early 1200. Java = jaya. also If Ohara's theory was right, whereas the ancient kingdom was part of jaya, then raftel will be 100% part of jaya.

Joyo Boyo's surname is Nika. ummmmm.... Sun god Nika???

Joyo Boyo ruled Java from 1135 to 1179 CE , and oda made one piece in 1990's. The void century was 800 years ago, where if we subtract 1997 with 800 equals to 1197, that's pretty close to 1179.

He was a prophet and this is one of his prophecies : (translated from indonesian.) " The mountains will erupt, the earth will shake, the seas and rivers will overflow. It will be a time of suffering. A time of arbitrariness and indifference. Time for the sly people to rule, and the good people will be oppressed. But, after that most difficult time, will come a new age, an age of splendor and glory. The Golden Age of the Archipelago. And the new era will come after the arrival of the Ratu Adil, or Satria Piningit."

Some points in his prophets where i think it have some refference with the whole one piece situation.

That's it i think for my joyboy's theory, what's ur thought about my theory? (sorry if my english grammar sucks, i don't speak english that fluent.)

[light onyx]

The one piece is a big straw hat

[keen shard]

LEO?

[ancient vault]

we already know around what time one piece plays. It was mentioned in nolands flashback

I did not know that Nika was another name for Joyoboyo tho thats interesting

[bitter kraken]

The silhouette of the one who saved the scabs looks manly af tho, it can’t be hiyori

[pure raven]

Well, who do you think it is if not Hiyori?

[bitter kraken]

At first I thought it was Fukurokuju the ninja leader but I remembered he has a long goatee and that woulda shown in the silhouette so idk wtf lol but I highly thought it’s hiyori plus how and why would she get there she was so adamant about not going cause she knows she’s not a fighter and would only get in the way she even gave her sword to zoro

[pure raven]

She could have sneaked in an allied ship, and she probably got worried about the scabbards enough to try and save them when needed. She has some good medical skills.

[slim moat]

It's not. Some one edited the page on wikipedia after that Nika chapter released.

[queen arrow]

[copper frost]

Uh

[soft cloud]

[waxen dust]

Someone gonna get an F on their Joyoboyo essay because some weeb decided to add Nika as one of the names

[stuck ore]

Wait people think nika and joyboy are same?

[waxen dust]

Historically speaking, they’re completely different. As far as One Piece, it’s a toss up. Personally I think Nika could’ve been a descendant but not the first Joyboy.

[weary cliff]

Nika means laugh. It's entirely possible. And it's a bit cleaner than adding a 4th majorly significant period in time to explore an even earlier character than Joyboy

[stuck ore]

Lmao as if wikipedia is written by oda

[stuck ore]

Idk man I searched it up it means pure, very good and stuff

[lost moat]

Yo interesting theory that I brought up, and then YouTube comments helped with how would y’all feel if Luffy is seriously fucked up like Zoro was and has to sit out most of Elbaf as kind of in the background. Letting Usopp maybe take on the position of captain to the giants and leading the crew through whatever chaos Elbaf has.

[stuck ore]

Can be but I think elbaf would be a usopp redemption arc

[lost moat]

Does Usopp need redemption though? He already is a god.

[stuck ore]

He never showed his true godly skills maybe they are locked inside

[weary cliff]

It's an sfx for smiling or laughing. Not an actual word, my bad

[lost moat]

True. I’m hoping in Elbaf Usopp steps up and becomes on par with the legendary 3, cause I get he’s always been in the back slowly trailing, but would be cool to see another Sogeking moment where he goes beyond his limits.

[stuck ore]

Oh okay but now that I think about it pure and very good makes sense

[slim moat]

wrong context. I thought you were talking about real joyoboyo

[stuck ore]

okay

[zenith valley]

Anyone else think that people wanted luffys gum gum fruit because they could use the dna and make artificial giants? Like luffies body can stretch really big and if they find the formula with Vega punk they could have made the navy’s secret weapon that they are replacing the warlords with earlier on

[ancient vault]

LMAO

[obtuse gazelle]

Ahhhhhh

[ancient vault]

No she wanted to go. Kawa just didnt allow her to

[obtuse gazelle]

The thing about Hiyori that bugs me the most, is the reason why Oda would hide her and introduce her as a silhouette? Everyone knows who she is and if she gets to Onigashima it isn’t that big of a deal nor a surprise. Something is off

[ancient vault]

Oda just thinks hes funny and cool

[modest skiff]

I think Enel is such a meme that it got to the point where he can't be considered. But really, Enel was basically a "Moon mythology weeb". I won't be surprised when it turns out Enel learned stuff on the moon that made him want to save Wano

[obtuse gazelle]

Loda

[ancient vault]

Enel wouldnt cry for the scabbards really

[modest skiff]

Depends on what he read on the moon or elsewhere

[obtuse gazelle]

Enel in Wano is the most pathetic theory I’ve ever read and the funniest

[modest skiff]

and that's what i mean, enel is such a meme at this point that its hard to see he's been the one chasing moon stuff this whole time

[ancient vault]

It is not really good to have him randomly introduced without any hints. Have him crying for the scabbards while somehow having learned medical skills. And then he disappears again?

[obtuse gazelle]

Watch it be Fukurokujo

[fathom matrix]

Do you think Momo would look like his Dad if he was turned into an adult? And people would think it's Odin?

[modest skiff]

I'm not saying its perfectly reasonable, just pointing out that Enel had a great deal of interest in things that it appears extremely likely Wano will be involved in, in some way

[modest skiff]

In my ideal world, he is at least twice the size of Oden. An absolute unit.

[fathom matrix]

Oh god, what if they see him and say "NOT ANOTHER FAKE!" and try to attack him, but he reassures them it's Momo

[modest skiff]

I know people hate the idea of it, but I am hoping this whole growing up process essentially fast forwards him through his theoretical life of experiences and yields him the reward of training for years and years after the events of Kaido. Momo being approximately Zoro level of strength would be hilarious. And I'd enjoy every moment of it if he was also the perfect, idealized man

[fathom matrix]

He would get a boost in strength, but that's not really how it would work.

Like, Zoro, Luffy, Sanji and others had to nearly die, train immensely and learn haki to get where they are, and Momo hasn't even displayed or been referenced to have done any feats similar to or like Odin, so him being Zoro level right from the get go, would be....a little bit BS?

He would be stronger and have better control over his dragon form, but it's not gonna be pefect

[modest skiff]

When we consider what happens when a fruit awakens, I wonder what would happen to a "grow up" fruit when it became awakened. That's kind of what I am grasping at. What if normally it just gives you an adult body. But after awakening, it not only gives you an adult body but also the body's experiences it would have had if it had not been grown up and lived a normal life

[fathom matrix]

Plus, experience? It's not like the memory memory fruit, shadow shadow fruit or what not where they pass and show knowledge and instinct, Shinobu can ripen and mature things, but that's not the same as a 30 minute tutorial video

[modest skiff]

not saying the memories, but the body essentially becomes the body from an alternate timeline where the growing up never happened. just the body

And I wouldn't say I am necessarily predicting this, but based on what awakening has meant so far, sky is the limit IMO

[fathom matrix]

well, no, it's maturing. There's no time or alternate realities, it's just growing up

[ancient vault]

thats a whole whitebeard Oden was already a beast compared to normal human sizes

[modest skiff]

And I totally get that. Similarly, a string string fruit did not originally turn buildings into string.

Once buildings turned into string, the possibilities for awakening became frustratingly gigantic

[fathom matrix]

That's the thing. Doffy and Katakuri had their fruits chronologically for around 30 years of their life.

Momo has only had it, even if he matures, for just months. Even if his body matures, it's 20 years, sure, but he hasn't trained or worked on it as much.

They probably had to train with them for a while, get used to them, understand their fruits.

Momo might be able to become more mature to handle the fruit better, but he hasn't had it long enough or trained with it enough to get that point.

[modest skiff]

Shinobu isn't young. Its possible hers is awakened too

[fathom matrix]

We don't know if it is. Because TBF, there is a difference between having it for a long time and awakening it through a long stretch. Like, Robin's in her 30s and we don't know if her fruit's awakened, and we can maybe assess that Brook's fruit is, as he's able to use ice, remove his soul from his body, etc, but it's not confirmed as an awakening.

[modest skiff]

You’re right, we don’t, which is why I am not saying it’s guaranteed. I’m just pointing out it is possible. I also think it’s possible Momo will be freakishly powerful just from growing up. Oden thought he was essential for opening Wano. I think he thought that because Momo didn’t seem built for combat

[fathom matrix]

Momo doesn't just need to be powerful, but mature and headstrong. I actually like the idea that he's not like his dad in terms of personality, power etc, because he can be like him, without being him. I think he trusts Momo because he's his son, the rightful aire to be shogen and he trusts him to lead the Kozuki clan into a new era of wano

[west geode]

You know what I have a theory that Otama becomes the next Emperor of the sea taking Kaido's place because of her Kibi Kibi no mi lol. It seems stupid but you know it could legit work

[modest skiff]

But we know Oden thought it had to be him. Why do you think Oden thought it had to be him and not Momo?

[granite talon]

Will wano just end like that or maybe in the last second some bb or someone show up

cause if it did op would be quite close to it's ending

[silk rain]

Well i mean if Momo grows up he would be like 12 feet tall

Also is it possible momo knows basic haki already

[ancient vault]

its gonna be shiryu devon moria

and laffite

[little kelp]

that silhouette looks like a man tho

[ancient vault]

It doesnt

[little kelp]

it does

[ancient vault]

nah

[granite talon]

Yamato is Pluton?

[ancient vault]

google yamato takeru for the real inspiration

[silk rain]

Also I looked at the silhouette again and I would say it could be either gender, but just by features im leaning to more of a man

[waxen dust]

That’s why I said
Yamato vs San Juan
“Battleship” fight

[sturdy hound]

Read the channel description, and if you have an issue dm a mod, don’t post it here

[pure raven]

that's the thing I don't understand tho, this was 18 chapters ago why wasn't it just revealed to be hiyori in ch 1005?

why wait so long to reveal it was her / not even reveal it at all

[wicked grove]

because somehow it's toki

[bitter kraken]

It wasn’t revealed at all who it was

That’s one of the reasons I don’t think it’s hiyori, cause it’s a character we have seen a lot of already and it’s like whatever if it’s her ya kno? Plus the silhouette is manly af and hiyori is not manly at all lol

[silk rain]

• Big af nose
• chiseled jawline
• Strand of hair / long ear
  only reason i dont think its hiyori is cus it looks like a man

[bitter kraken]

Plus it was Bao Huang reporting on who it was right? And wouldn’t she know who that is and say something like “ oh shit it’s Komurasaki I thought she was dead” 💀💀

[night jewel]

She says " its too dark for me to see who it is", so no

[pure raven]

I just don't understand why wait so long to reveal who it is, I deadass forgot about this silhouette until I saw a post about it today

[silk rain]

I agree, it would have to be a big reveal of a new character in wano or at lesat onigashima, i dont think Oda would leave it unrevealed for this long if not
and hiyori would seem like a boring af reveal tbh

[pure raven]

yeah my thought exactly

if it's a totally new character that'd make sense

[night jewel]

also

don't see how the silhouette is any different from hiyori lol

[pure raven]

different nose

[night jewel]

not really

[pure raven]

hiyoris is more curved upwards and the other one is more angular

[night jewel]

thats because hiyori is looking in front of her and the silhouette is looking down lol

[silk rain]

honestly its like a drake type nose with enels ears and zoros jawline
it could be hiyori tho, just dont know why

[bitter kraken]

Let it be Enel, his fruit is too OP to leave up on the moon

[night jewel]

those are not ears lol, its hair

[silk rain]

yeah its probably hair 😂

[pure raven]

I think this person explains it well, it just makes no sense to wait this long for a character reveal that we already know and have been introduced to

[night jewel]

no one else has a reason to patch up the scabbards and cry over their injuries, Toki is the only other candidate but she has been confirmed to be dead

[pure raven]

wait maybe it could be Toki? I didn't know she was confirmed dead

[silk rain]

She was confirmed in anime i thought

[night jewel]

she was confirmed dead in databooks and in the manga too

people literally saw her die

[pure raven]

sadge so much potential

[pure raven]

she was clearly able to jump herself into the future so idk why she didn't

[silk rain]

she wanted to look badass and make a speech

[bitter kraken]

I think she just didn’t wanna live without oden

That’s real loyalty, i wish I had a chick like that

[pure raven]

wait so If Toki got the time fruit in the void century does that mean shes the only user of the fruit for the past 800 years?

[night jewel]

Oden told her to go to the future but she quite literally got mad at the idea, because she is content with herself

absolutely no way she jumps to the future after that

[silk rain]

If its hiyori, the reason why Oda is waiting so long for the reveal could be because she might be holding onto Momo's sword (oden's other enma) and will give it to him or someone else

[bitter kraken]

Toki was prolly a wealth of knowledge from the void century

I think momo had his sword with him?