manga-theories

[cyan berry]

^

[waxen dust]

I know that, but there’s no way Lucci nor Aokiji are in Wano. Especially Lucci, he’s at Reverie.

[cyan berry]

especially now where he's essentially one hit away from fucking dying

[gloomy dirge]

Zoro is gonna be disabled as hell once those medications wear off

[sacred bobcat]

I never said it’s a 1v1 it’s gonna take a group effort and I feel like zoro is gonna be in that group

And he literally took medication to get him back to 100 percent for a time being?? Did you miss that part? Lol

[sharp pecan]

instead of lucci, zoro or yamato could be the tiger. Also there is no ruling out aokiji. Even if we rule out aokiji marco can be the blue pheasant

[cyan berry]

he took medicine to subdue the pain from his previous wounds

his bones are still very much broken

[sharp pecan]

Zoro could maybe fight King and send marco to fight kaido with luffy and yamato

[modest skiff]

If Kaido is killed, it will be from a sword. Zoro appears to be the only one capable of cutting Kaido at this point. I don't think Kaido dies, but if he does, it might be Zoro who does it.

[visual merlin]

Zoro put his faith in luffy tenxan

[sacred bobcat]

I don’t think one piece medication works like that 😭 you’re looking at it from a real world point of view lol

[visual merlin]

he already was satisfied with luffy being the one to beat him

[gloomy dirge]

Can big Mom's Sword cut kaido?

[grizzled fog]

Why does it have to be a sword lol

[waxen dust]

Aokiji....MAYBE only if he’s the spy for Blackbeard or he is working with SWORD. But not likely there imo

[visual merlin]

zoro also did the most he could to kaido, he's not going to 1 up that

[modest skiff]

How else do you kill Kaido other than throwing him in the ocean?

[sharp pecan]

Kaido will not die to anyone in the worst generation in this arc. If he dies it will be to an admiral or other yonko'

[gloomy dirge]

I don't see a Reason for Kaido to die yet in the story.

[grizzled fog]

Literally just….kill him? Beat him to death? You act as though he isn’t going to get the shit beaten out of him by fists anyway

[sharp pecan]

ye i just like the theory

[sacred bobcat]

We will find out who goes back up in a couple chapters then , love how Oda is building up this final fight. We all sitting here guessing who’s gonna go up there and fight him 😭

[sharp pecan]

!

[slim moat]

Why we have to ignore Luffy's achievements? He learnd many advanced Haki techniques.

[modest skiff]

He'll get the shit kicked out of him, but I am saying based on his resilience so far, by my estimation, he is not getting punched to death

[visual merlin]

Because he's got a whole plot point around dying, and because if he doesn't die, he can just keep fighting the next day, or show up later

[sharp pecan]

Kaido is leagues above everyone in Wano not named Big Mom!

[sacred bobcat]

We not ignoring his achievements, we just know even with all his upgrades he can’t take kaido down 1v1

[visual merlin]

and he's too big of an enemy to just leave alive, there's also several people who want to kill him

[waxen dust]

Tbh....I want Moria to kill Kaido. Just set up BB feud even more, BUT I don’t if he will die or not just because Yamato wants to drive him out of Wano, not end his life

[sacred bobcat]

Lol woah Moria came out of nowhere

[gloomy dirge]

DUDE MORIA Killing Kaido would be such a huge twist in fate

[sacred bobcat]

Big mom is def surviving this arc tho, maybe saving her up for Elbaf but I could be 100 percent wrong lol

[grizzled fog]

If kaido can be harmed by punches, he can be killed by them. Same as swords. Luffy is going y beat him within an inch of his life and then what, suddenly be physically incapable of finishing him because he doesn’t have a sword?

[slim moat]

Upgrades? That's how shonen manga hero does things. He learns and then fights the villian.

[modest skiff]

Didn't kill Doffy or lots of others. It just doesn't seem like Luffy likes to punch people to death yet

[gloomy dirge]

Luffy doesn't kill people because Destroying their dreams is worst then death.

[grizzled fog]

Because he likes to crush their dreams instead, but he doesn’t go out of their way to kill them. Not like zoro kills every enemy he fights anyway lol

[gloomy dirge]

Luffy has gone ape shit on some people before though usually only in the Movie though

[sacred bobcat]

I get that...but we literally saw what happened to him when they went 1v1 even with all his upgrades. It’s not that luffy is weak it’s just that kaido has been built up for years to be unbeatable 1v1 so he’s gonna need help

[visual merlin]

he has gotten help

14 others have helped him already

We need to recognize its not like he's 1v1ing a 100% kaido here, lots of help has already been provided

[gloomy dirge]

https://gyazo.com/19459e89c19d191c91208a633ca7e365

[sacred bobcat]

Yeah but luffy also isn’t at 100 percent as well right

[visual merlin]

Could he still get more aid? Sure but its not like he's 1v1ing kaido full strength here

[visual merlin]

from kaido

[gloomy dirge]

Don't mess with Luffy's Straw hat

[sacred bobcat]

I’m saying luffy is gonna need Atleast one more guy up there with him

[modest skiff]

I agree, I'm just saying if Kaido dies, I don't know who else would do it other than Zoro using a sword

[visual merlin]

maybe, but he might not

[sacred bobcat]

To finish the job

[slim moat]

I think these guys looking at One piece like some avengers story where bunch of heroes defeat the villian.

One piece about a guy named Luffy. Rest are supporting cast. Lol

[modest skiff]

I think everyone else could spend a long time trying to kill kaido with a sword and not succeed lol

[visual merlin]

Zoro, any scabbard, yamato, law, kidd, shit maybe momo lol

[silk rain]

he ate meat 🍖

[gloomy dirge]

Swamp can preserve and Caribou has meat pies

[modest skiff]

Luffy eating lots of meat is canon full heal, change my mind

[sacred bobcat]

Lmao you’re underestimating one piece if that’s how you look at it

[visual merlin]

Yea this meat could just be a full heal for him

[gloomy dirge]

Every character in one piece has a personality that matches their fighting style and aspirations.

It's 100x better than the Avengers

[visual merlin]

Feels like thats a bit of a stretch

[sacred bobcat]

And we all know zoro is odas fav character 😏

[slim moat]

But at end of the day, it's luffy's story.

[visual merlin]

Most characters don't, unless we're going to use arbitrary connections

[gloomy dirge]

The ones that matter for the Plot do

[sacred bobcat]

It’s def luffys story 100 percent

[modest skiff]

I do think that Zoro getting a major kill/victory is in the cards for him at some point. He feels more like rank 1.5 than rank 2. I think Zoro is stronger than Kid and Law.

[slim moat]

Each character is fleshed out superbly. But they are not equally important.

[gloomy dirge]

Zoro deserves a moment for sure

[visual merlin]

He's had one, and will get another in king

[sacred bobcat]

Zoro kinda got a lot of moments already tbh 😂😂😂😂

[gloomy dirge]

That's true but I mean Bounty wise.

[visual merlin]

what do you mean bounty wise

[sacred bobcat]

Kinda made Sanji look goofy for about a whole 3 months LOL

[gloomy dirge]

Zoro needs to have a Higher bounty then luffy by this point

[modest skiff]

I'm saying Zoro will get a victory ABOVE someone like King at some point. I think there will be a time when Zoro takes someone out who is a leader, not just the 2nd in command folks

[visual merlin]

why lol

[sacred bobcat]

Nahhhh now you tripping luffy the captain and will always have the higher bounty

[visual merlin]

Him ever taking out the main guy would not make sense, since he's not luffy

He can beat mihawk

[silk rain]

if zoro can alr scar yonkos luffy should be able to do better

[visual merlin]

makes no sense to actually have him beat the main villain when luffy is there though

[gloomy dirge]

I just think that the bounties don't really matter when it comes to the straw hats because Luffy will always be their captain

[modest skiff]

I think there will be a situation where he beats someone who is top of the food chain, not necessarily "the main bad guy". And in my eyes, Zoro+Luffy 2v1 would count as what I am talking about too.

[sacred bobcat]

Buttttt zoro will get one more moment to have him placed higher than Sanji in the bounty list

[visual merlin]

that doesn't explain why zoro would ever have a higher bounty than luffy

[gloomy dirge]

He already cracked the neck of Kaido

[modest skiff]

Zoro having a higher bounty makes zero sense but I do think he'll have a big victory

[visual merlin]

That would be mihawk

[sacred bobcat]

Yeah zoro mihawk will be EPIC hopefully top 3 fight in one piece

[gloomy dirge]

Luffy cracked one of Kaidos Vertebrae during the fight already so luffy can do damage to kaido that's Internal

While Zoro is able to cut the skin/scales

[sacred bobcat]

Just happy that zoro is confirmed supreme user and glad the anime showcased it earlier

[gloomy dirge]

All luffy has to do is King Kong Gun with Ryusoken and he wins

[sacred bobcat]

Anyone else happy with how the anime is doing their thing rn

[gloomy dirge]

Definetly

[visual merlin]

I don't like the choice, but since the anime isn't canon they can do whatever

[gloomy dirge]

I haven't been this excited for new one piece episodes in years because they even reveal things the manga missed.

[sacred bobcat]

Pacing has gotten aloooooot better since the beginning of wano anime arc

[visual merlin]

Though I am concerned for how they'll do certain scenes later

[sacred bobcat]

Exactly !!

[gloomy dirge]

They gave brook a new move though so that's non canon for sure

[visual merlin]

aren't they doing like 1 chapter per episode though lol

or less, sometimes

[gloomy dirge]

That mf was gliding while shooting ice from his cane.

[sacred bobcat]

Yeah lol I think middle of wano it was almost at half a chapter an episode. But it’s finally picking up 😂

[gloomy dirge]

Yeah you can tell there's a lot of Filler in Wano but it's sexy filler.

It's finally catching up to the good stuff though.

[sacred bobcat]

It can’t get worse than dressrosa and that’s all that matters

[gloomy dirge]

We might see the Ice Devil Virus in 10 episodes

Who knows lol

[sacred bobcat]

I just can’t wait to see the stand off between the yonko and worst generation animated 😋😋😋🙄🙄

[gloomy dirge]

Man I wish they made a Canon movie though for the rooftop

[knotty sky]

Yammy in 7 episodes

[sacred bobcat]

You might be onto something.....

[gloomy dirge]

It feels like it's leading up to something monumental though

[sacred bobcat]

Top tier animation for the rooftop fight 😭😭

[teal bay]

this color spread is from ch. 310 and they are all dressed in wano attire and there is a big pink dragon so ig momo is turning adult ig

[sacred bobcat]

DAmn nice find!!!!

[gloomy dirge]

Hmmm

It's possible he gets an Adult form transformation from his new will power.

Since he's finally breaking out of his comfort zone

[sacred bobcat]

Momo supreme user confirmed then?? 😭😭😭😭 jk

[gloomy dirge]

Bro Momo could theoretically bring a bunch of Zunishas

To Wano

[teal bay]

not my find tho

[ivory geyser]

what if the three on the image get new powers

by now robin got one

[strong knoll]

Go d usoop already too much powerful

[teal bay]

well luffy also got one

prolly

[ornate perch]

usopp getting conqueror's haki 👀

[teal bay]

lmaooo

he might get observational haki

[ornate perch]

or realize he has it

[strong knoll]

Usoop will get the will of D

[ornate perch]

though its said you cant actually use haki intentionally unless your taught it

[strong knoll]

He can use observation

[ornate perch]

yeah but not by his own will

[teal bay]

please be more serious only serious theories

[ornate perch]

just saying that in wano he could prolly end up using it again

[strong knoll]

He doesn't need that
His attack is useless here

All are zoan user
His observation is meaningless

[teal bay]

i dont think so man

[strong knoll]

All they need is some powerful attack
And ussop isn't there yet
If he can use haki and coat it with his shoot then he can do something here

[empty holly]

There was an Youtube video called "How Water 7 changed One Piece" but i can't find it

[sacred hawk]

What if Sanji manages to deflect on of Queen's lasers with his raid suit cape? Like he slaps it away and causes it to hit something else

[empty holly]

In my recommendations after watching "Best One Piece Theory you ever watch" there was a video called something like "How Water 7 changed One Piece" and i put it in my list to watch later, but i can't find it now...

Ah wait, sorry, nevermind. It's in Russian. That's why i couldn't find it in English.
Sorry ><

My memory played with me.

[sharp pecan]

aokiji is actually is so goated

him and kizaru are 2 of the most interesting characters in the series

and 1 of them is going to pull up to Wano cant wait

[elder estuary]

Why do people think that? Why would they even go to a yonko territory?

[sly mulch]

When you think about it those four ( including momounske the pink dragon) are probably the most important characters in the alliance. Robin knows how to read the poneglyphs which both big mom and Kaido desire, Luffy is literally leading all pirates in this arc meanwhile momo leading the all samurai. The only one left is Ussop and so far he hasn’t really been doing much. I wonder what role will be playing this arc or maybe Oda is saving him for Elbaf.

[ancient vault]

The video sounds more like an analysis rather than a theory. I have never watched the vid but im guessing its about how the water 7 arc gave a new perspective to the depth and seriousness Oda can create and how that arc was a big milestone for OP going forward

[teal bay]

communication ig after they bonked bao huang he is the one handling communication which okays a large part in this arc

[sly mulch]

What about the sun god Nika thing mentioned by Who's Who? Nika was known for freeing salves which is what Usopp did back in dressorosa and he was even named GOD Usopp after the incident (might be a foreshadowing). Also the sun god seems to have connection with Elbaf which many think will be Usopp arc.

[teal bay]

Can be man idk tbh about that I mean he was the only one who saw merry's soul can be

[inner mesa]

bro... this chapter was insane

do yall think robins fruit is awakened? cuz wtf was that

[pure raven]

any arab here

some arab youtuber found out blackbeard secret , he got 3 souls-bodies

[upbeat mist]

you cant exactly say that with no evidence, and it's still a theory so a THINKS would work wonders

[pure raven]

4 missing teeths who fought whitebeard is the one with yami no mi

3 missing teeths is the one who got whitebeard fruit

full teethes bb is the one with the mythical zoan that gave him 2 more souls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLrn3uykPXc theory owner

these are some translation made by someone who understand arabic , the video is above for who can understand arab aswell

[waxen dust]

Woah....This is INTERESTING

And there’s even the three eyes!

[ancient vault]

hes not the first one to point this out, this has been out for years

[waxen dust]

I actually never heard this theory

[ancient vault]

idk about the mythology part tho

[ancient vault]

Yeah that can be new I was referencing his first message (this)

[waxen dust]

I have always said Blackbeard has 3 souls and this definitely is some good evidence to support that idea. It even gives a sensible reason as to why Blackbeard’s body would allow such a thing.

I’m gonna definitely deeper into this Bai Ze folklore

[weary cliff]

So this is interesting, but if teeth is a major point, I'd have to say it's consistently been a stylistic choice for characters to lose them with damage. Then they come back. I believe there's even a Brook gag about it

[limpid sequoia]

milk solves all problems

now if you can connect those teeth to multiple moments in the story then ur onto something

[modest skiff]

@pure raven I like parts of this theory but not others. I think it is very likely BB is based on this mythological creature. I think he is legitimately extremely knowledgeable. One thing that's important to point out is that the devil fruit book is stated to be incomplete. If BB knows of all fruits, it shows he has a source of information which is more complete than the general population has. Overall, I agree with the basic notion that BB has 3 eyes and has an extreme level of knowledge. I also think he can read glyphs by himself.

I still just can't get on board with the souls theory because we don't have reason to think souls are essential. As I started to type this, I hesitated. It appears to be hinted that swords essentially have souls. So far we have a gun and a sword that have devil fruits. I am SOMEWHAT able to entertain the possibility that similar to how boats can essentially "grow" a soul, it is possible that weapons as a whole have souls that result from forging and that it plays into the idea of black swords.

So I will say this: If BB's whole shtick is 3 souls or something, that must mean the entire idea of souls of very broad and lots of stuff has soul.

Overall, I am pretty confident BB is based on this creature after this analysis. Its just too much coincidence. I will also be reading into
it @waxen dust

I also think this theory jives mostly very well with my other theory of BB. A lot of this could be true with my other theory still making sense

[weary cliff]

Souls are whacky. Sure weapons have their own will sometimes, so maybe you give em that. But a teapot?

[modest skiff]

what teapot has a devil fruit? I thought it was just Mr 4's gun and Spandam's sword

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Bunbuku

I am willing to entertain the possibility that a long-loved tea pot passed down for generations could "grow" a soul the way a boat and sword can

But I think it is essential that inanimate objects be assumed to have souls prior to entertaining the 3 soul theory for BB. Without that presupposition, it doesn't make sense

[pure raven]

@modest skiff the youtuber idea was , since some df users tend to laugh based on what their fruit is called ( perona with horo no mi , her laugh : horohoro , wb with gura no me laugh: guragura , so he started to look zehahaha , and finally found this mithycal bai ze from japan lore who's description is a look alike to blackbeard

[waxen dust]

Bai Ze apparently had a book that told about Thousands of creatures and even spirits from centuries ago and how to call upon them for help apparently the information of the book was scattered around the world through various passages and texts There’s an actual book about it as well. @pure raven

[modest skiff]

This to me implies BB could be from the AK. If they compiled the world information into glyphs and scattered them around the world, sure does sound similar

[weak flicker]

Perhaps there will be a rule of three with Blackbeard? He already has a Logia and Paramecia, so he might end up eating a Zoan. But knowing him, he wouldn’t settle for anything less than a mythical or ancient.

Maybe it could be something like;

Neko Neko (lion or tiger) no Mi, Model: Bai Zhe

Or, going off the whole Oni motif;

Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Demon/Oni

[pure raven]

bai ze killed the earthquake , and is the more knowledgeable

it suits bb tbh

[modest skiff]

Yeah I’m fully on board with the idea that BB is based on the creature. Not convinced he ate the fruit

[pure raven]

i mean oda gave him the mithycal fruit based on bai ze , surelly odda added his originality

[waxen dust]

I don’t know if he’s from AK since he was a kid in Oden’s flashback, but I definitely believe his family has some DEEP ties to the AK and it’s mysteries. This would explain why Teach knows so much that doesn’t seemed explained throughout the OP world. Teach might be on a mission that relates to obtaining all the information of the AK for some unknown reason.

[waxen dust]

I actually think BB may have ate the fruit, simply because we just got the DF reveal for Yamato and that’s based on another creature from Japanese mythology. So I definitely see this even more possible now than a month or two ago.

[weak flicker]

Strangely enough, his mom is alive. He just doesn’t know it. Go figure.

[pure raven]

oda tend to change things so who knows , but so far this theory is the most convincing for me concerning bb

[modest skiff]

I suppose I’m operating under the assumption the AK isn’t gone entirely. I still think he could be AK without being born during that time. And since we know he was born in the grand line, it supports the basic idea that Laugh Tale itself may be the AK. I don’t subscribe to that theory.

One thing needs verifying: do we know BB knows all the fruits? If he does, he’s got insane inside knowledge

[waxen dust]

See you managed to change my perspective on something. I am always open minded to new ideas, but majority of the time those agendas are lead with unconvincing arguments. BUT this definitely convinces me and now I wanna look into my own theory and make some adjustments based on this newfound information. I know this isn’t exactly your theory, but creds to you for sharing this. I’ll also look into Teach’s teeth shifting in every scene he’s been a part of. Very well done dude

[modest skiff]

Same @waxen dust . I felt pretty firm on my BB theory and suddenly it’s thrown in the air

The more I think about it the more I think eventually anything that is loved will have a soul

And so I’m starting to come around to the idea of 3 souls

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, surprised his teeth didn't get fixed, cause when a OP character drinks milk, they get their teeth back.

Yet again, maybe he just doesn't drink it, or they have to drink milk within a certain time frame to get a tooth back

[waxen dust]

I am pretty sure Teach knows more than he leads on, is the Yami Yami in the DF book?

[pure raven]

the teeths thing is a hint from oda fosho , bb cant fight wb with 4 missing then suddenly after taking his fruit he grew one and left only 3 missing ,

[weak flicker]

I’m sure he’s studied the Devil Fruit encyclopedia, especially for fruits of immense power, such as his own Dark-Dark Fruit. That would also explain how Devon obtained a Mythical Zoan through BB’s knowledge. Okay, the Clear-Clear incident was hinted at just Absalom knocking on his front door and he already knew about Ace’s abilities.

The Real Question; Who wrote the Encyclopedia? It seems to be pretty public knowledge, as both BB and Sanji especially have referenced it extensively.

[pure raven]

also he just came in from impel down where he was shown with full teeths set up , do u think he lost 4 teeths on his way to marineford

[modest skiff]

The devil fruit encylopedia is incomplete. if BB knows of all devil fruits (still haven't seen anyone cite/prove this), it is conclusive evidence he has some higher form of knowledge

[weak flicker]

And it has been hinted that he can read Poneglyphs, so he might even be up there with Robin.

[waxen dust]

Also another thing that hints a personality shift is during Jaya, BB makes a contradiction about whether or not he enjoys the booze on the island. First he states that he didn’t enjoy the liquor in the town when in the pub, then later on he says he loves it after he gives his speech to Luffy. Definitely a contradiction to his original statement and wasn’t necessary to add unless Oda was hinting at something.

[pure raven]

@waxen dust also dont credit me i just got some dude to translate it for me , the credit goes to ODACCHI the theory owner

[fathom matrix]

Maybe BB had an old encyclapedia, or maybe he was given not an official/proper one, but a list of drawn devil fruits with some descriptions by someone.

What if Shiki gave him a bunch of old papers with every or some devil fruits, and said "See that? That's the fruit that you want. Make captain rocks proud, my boy" cause I like to think that in a way where shanks inpired luffy to become a pirate and luffy unknowingly carried on roger's will, shiki inspired Teach, KNOWING rock's will.

and he still called it an encyclopedia, because it was still a collection of info, taped, stapled or tied together, despite it's age or possibly torn sides

[modest skiff]

Ok so there is a panel I am like 99.999% sure exists but now I can't find it. I thought BB at one point says his devil fruit "chose him", but now I can't find where he said that. Does anyone remember that?

FOUND IT

[fathom matrix]

darkness is gravity, so it makes sense, nice

[modest skiff]

I think this isn't a throw away line. I think BB has some reason for legitimately believing the power chose him

[waxen dust]

You lost me at Shiki, but the first part I agree.

He may have books written from a date prior to a copy distributed by the current OP world like the one Sanji owned. Since it’s likely unedited by the world government it could have more information than the newer version AND possibly it was written in the same language as the poneglyphs.

[fathom matrix]

yaknow how shiki was part of Rock's crew?

[modest skiff]

Yeah I have expressed a similar belief in the past. I think that either Xebec or someone loyal to Xebec is working with BB. I still think BB is trying to accomplish Xebec's goal of killing all CDs

[fathom matrix]

Plus, what if the opposite happens? Like Teach was working at a pub and Rock's crew was causing issues, but Teach actually thought they were cruel, and when a couple of nice people came in to ask for a drink or to move, Shiki's crew actually caused some issues instead/

Like, Shiki knew about whitebeard and would probably say "if you see a man named edward newgate, better known as whitebeard, join his crew, beg if you need to. Your chances of finding a fruit on the ship of an emporer will up your chances"

[waxen dust]

I know Shiki is apart of Rocks, but if Teach had any interactions with them then WB would’ve known who Teach was when he first met him. I do believe someone or something influenced his ambition and for all we know he could have the Bai Ze fruit and that might have started the entire plan. Since that creature has 3 faces so he can eat another devil fruit.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I basically reject the idea that BB happened to run into WB

[modest skiff]

But if WB already had his own ship when he ran into BB, doesn't that mean BB could have run into another Rocks member without WB knowing?

[fathom matrix]

Well, that's just the thing. The rocks crew disbanded. And I doubt Whitebeard would have been on that island when Shiki was or really know anything about his appearance there. And Why would any of them, say for conflicts keep in contact or really know?? Kaido and Big Mom seem to, but why would Newgate know about Shiki's stuff? If anything, he seems like the most likely to tell everyone else to fuck off and not talk to.

[waxen dust]

True, but I highly believe Blackbeard’s ambitions began from birth (in some sense) like I still believe Xebec may have been his father or solely have some relationship with him. I highly doubt BB had any other interactions with members of Rocks besides Xebec and Whitebeard. I think we’re just trying to force Shiki to fit in all of this and it doesn’t make sense.

[weak flicker]

I actually think WB was forced onto Xebec’s ship via a Davy Back fight. It just doesn’t make sense for someone like WB to join up with the Rocks Cree through his own whims. And it has been confirmed the Davy Bsck fight was created around the time Xebec was off being a pirate, so maybe Xebec himself created it for the express purpose of gaining a large and powerful crew. Unless he has sweets, it also didn’t make sense for Big Mom to join, and Kaido doesn’t seem the type to join either. I think Whitebeard joined up with Roger and Garp at the last second and defeated Xebec by their side.

[fathom matrix]

Xebec would have been dead before they truly had a relationship and Teach woud have been 2

and plus, I don't see Rocks being there for his kid. He might have had him via a fun night with a woman then buggered off, or to have someone carry on the bloodline, but not to really take care of a child, instill his ideals or form THAT much of a bond.

[waxen dust]

Inherited Will and this is assuming Rocks is his actual father, but they have a deep relationship especially for BB to name his ship after him. I highly believe based on the Bai Ze theory and what I dug up with the Book of Hakutaku, Teach got inspiration from the DF encyclopedia and likely other books and undisclosed information he had passed down to him.

[weak flicker]

Well, of course, there’s always the Will of D. to factor in, which doesn’t necessarily require a direct family correlation to be obtained from one person to another.

[fathom matrix]

Yeah that's a very common theory, and Newgate seemed too proud and kind to be on Rock's crew, hell, maybe Newgate thought he could actually beat rocks, take his crew and maybe change them, BUT he ended up losing and due to his honor, he begrudgingly agreed to join

[weak flicker]

But, of course, with Garp and Roger on the scene, he realized he had a chance to take Xebec down and free himself and his crew from his servitude. Oda kinda has a thing for rule of three/trios.

[modest skiff]

I agree that BB had this whole perspective from the very beginning. That's part of why I thought he was from a pole. I still think he could be a pole person who was born on an ice island or something. Like maybe some people migrated from a pole to an ice world. Lots of ice worlds are basically unexplored because they aren't inhabitable. I could imagine a secret, locked away aggressive sect of the pole people having a base of operations in the grand line.

Does anyone have any theories on why BB says Yami chose him? He says Thatch had bad luck. I don't think it is as simple as finding the fruit BB wanted. I think BB has a connection to the fruit

[runic osprey]

Maybe its a cursed fruit and it choses its owner

Just like the cursed the swords its has a will of it own

[silk rain]

He might think it chose him just bc hes been studying that fruit for long before he joined wb, and then he somehow manages to get it basically handed into his lap, it seems kind of like fate imo

[waxen dust]

Didn’t Oars die because he froze to death? Maybe their is a connection between the region he died and a winter civilization that could tie back to Teach (although I heard the same idea for Kaido)$

[waxen dust]

Maybe has some ties to Will of D and the luck of the beholder. Like if one is worthy enough to posses the power and if not then someone with greater luck will eventually obtain it.

[runic osprey]

Some people are saying that rocks d xebec could have been the previous user of that fruit

[silk rain]

That could explain the fruits reputation as strongest logia if im not mistaken

and if bb inehrited the will of xebec he would def want that fruit

[runic osprey]

Yea exactly it would make perfects sense that why BB studied it

[forest hornet]

Chat if Momo does age and become an adult and he can become a bigger dragon will he be able to use the wind current things like Kaido is doing?

[runic osprey]

it depends on what type of dragon he actually is

[silk rain]

did they confirm what smile he got?

[forest hornet]

The smile is made from Kaido’s fruit tho

[runic osprey]

Then i dont see why he wont be able to

[forest hornet]

Is there people actually saying Momo is going to fight Kaido?

[silk rain]

Yeah watch rogers base video

its pretty cool

[forest hornet]

I’ll check it out

[runic osprey]

Well it would make sense if he becomes the next leader of wano

[silk rain]

apparently he came up with the theory before momo was revealed to become older so it makes a lot of sense with the last chapter

[split stone]

Theory: The one that will kill kaido is Momonosuke.

We're seeing Momonosuke asking Shinobu to make him an adult, but this will not affect his personality, only his body. We know that Momonosuke probably will have Conqueror's Haki at some point, since he inherited the will of his father to become the next shogun and open up wano and lead it to the new Dawn, and also, He has passed through lots of hard moments while still being an 8 years old kid, and manages to keep up the calm at some points and lead his vassals properly.

Now comes the good part of the theory, We don't know how shinobu's df affects the other's body, if it make it not only more mature but also stronger and develops the one's current haki, the Conqueror's Haki Momonosuke has probably will be unleashes at some point on his adult form. Now, Shinobu says he will have a childish mind on a grown up body, and this just fits perfectly the picture of Kozuki Oden. By putting together all these facts, I personally believe that he will somehow get his ame no habakiri from hitetsu, and go to the top of onigashima. (This is also my beliefs) After the final fight against Luffy, both 3 (Luffy, Law, Kidd) and Kaido will be heavily injured, it will be when, completely enraged, Adult Momo will raise his ame no habakiri, and remembering all that he and the entire wano suffered at the hands of Kaido, he will unleash his ame no habakiri and while unconsciously using Conqueror's Haki, he will cut off Kaido's head, stand up at his body at proclaims the end of the war, while Oden's silhouette will be reflecting behind his own shadow

• Luffy would never kill someone, and in this arc the only way to stop Kaido is to actually, Killing him. So neither Luffy, nor Law or Kidd would kill him

[modest skiff]

My hope is that Shinobu's fruit basically fast forwards through someone's life, so he will be as strong as he would have been if his life went normally

[split stone]

that's also what I hope, but we don't know for sure because we only know its effects on inanimate objects

[gleaming vector]

Ok, so. I have been trying to now analyze all current big matchups and scenes in the War right now to predict what we can see next, so here is what I came up with:
Important Scenes/Fights:

1. Luffy + Momo (Tokage Port) [Last seen: 1021]
2. Yamato vs. Kaido (Rooftop) [Last seen:1020]
3. Zoro + Chopper + Minks (Live Stage) [Last seen: 1019]
4. Sanji vs. Queen (Live Stage) [Last seen: 1019]
5. Kid and Law vs. Big Mom (2nd Floor) [Last seen: 1015]
   Lesser Important Scenes/Fights:
6. Hawkins vs. Killer (somewhere in Castle Interior) [Last seen: 1011]
7. Raizo vs. Fukurokuju (somewhere in Castle Interior) [Last seen: 1009]
8. Jack vs. Inurashi (???) [Last seen: 1017]
9. King fighting Marco? (???)
   Anyways, there are likely a few that i missed, but I think that we can possibly precict what we will be seeing next. Chapters usually have majorit focus on the important ones but it seems that Oda likes to throw in the lesser ones ever once in a while.
   My bet is that 1022 will show Luffy, Yamato, Zoro, and maybe even Kid and Law vs Big Mom too.

Feel free to look at the data and guess what will be coming next!

[unreal merlin]

she made it seem like her fruit affects living things too

[patent prawn]

Just had a crazy idea
So you know the code for the raid
The two lizards
Well what if Oda is a genius
Before the two legs were added there were two snakes
Ofc snakes are same shape as eastern dragons
SO WHAT IF THE TWO SNAKES FORESHADOWED MOMO AND KAIDO
And on that same train of thought
What could the lines mean
If the raid succeeds then kaido will probably die or get arrested
One dragon crossed out
Now onto momo
What if a drawback to being an adult and supposedly becoming a huge dragon really quick is that it surpasses the smiles capabilities
The second line through the dragon could signify Momo losing his devil fruit power all together
Meaning that Oda could’ve foreshadowed the entire outcome of the raid back then

[sonic canyon]

So long story short momo will swim again, nice thoery btw

[patent prawn]

i feel like this will be a good way to wrap up momo's arc he loses his powers and stays behind in wano

[sonic canyon]

Also it helps with the powercreep

[patent prawn]

[silk rain]

I just wish we knew more about how smiles worked 😂

[digital epoch]

Ok, does anyone know the naming scheme behind Robin's "Grand Jacuzzi Clutch"? I don't get the pun, is is some Japanese thing, or what? None of her other attacks are related to bathing or swimming or Jacuzzis or anything. Also, a Jacuzzi is a real world brand of Hot Tub, it seems weirdly out of place in the setting

[storm lantern]

[patent prawn]

this guy

[pine hemlock]

Live stage brawl incoming?

[split stone]

What if in the end of wano kaido commits seppuku and Morgans publishes the news as if Luffy killed him

[patent prawn]

also to add on to my theory i have this

which is probably what momo will look like

[pine hemlock]

That doesn’t make sense story wise

[pine hemlock]

If he loses his devil fruit, will he still be big or will he go back to kid momo

[patent prawn]

well his df has nothing to do with shinobus

[pine hemlock]

Yeah

[patent prawn]

the way shinobu words it tho it seems like it will be permanent

[pine hemlock]

Unfortunately shogun momo will happen

[patent prawn]

what you want him to join crew

[pine hemlock]

Yeah it was like nailed on,him and tama fit the criteria

[patent prawn]

i dont think luffy will take on apprentices

[pine hemlock]

Who knows,maybe he still joins but the chances has decreased

[pine hemlock]

No he won’t,they will sneak on to the ship

[patent prawn]

i think we are leaving wano with yamato most definitely and maybe....... carrot very unlikely tho

[pine hemlock]

Yamato and Tama,Maybe Momo

[patent prawn]

it would make sense tho that tama stays with hiyori

[pine hemlock]

Does tama even know hiyori? Doesn’t really make sense to me,tama has spent a lot of time with the crew too

[patent prawn]

tama was staying with hiyori

[pine hemlock]

Hitetsu not hiyori

[patent prawn]

crap that was the other one my bad

the smiley one

[pine hemlock]

What do you think of the sukiyaki=hitetsu theory?

[patent prawn]

i like it

unlike most theories it has good evidence lol

[weary cliff]

It's almost irrefutable. The details are the same

[modest skiff]

At this point I feel like someone is a dummy for not believing sukiyaki=hitetsu. I don't even see people pretend its a theory. Its so obvious I will lose my fucking mind if it isn't true

[waxen dust]

Be prepared to lose your mind then, I wouldn’t be surprised if Oda pulls a troll on us. (although I believe the theory, I’m expecting the worse outcome)

[limpid sequoia]

so you think all the Hitetsu's are like lost souls or something?

[modest skiff]

Its hard to say because the language around ships having a soul almost sounds like the soul came from the ocean originally. I don't have a good answer. But I think a sword turning black is a similar mechanism as a ship gaining a soul. There has to be a connection there.

[limpid sequoia]

well I'm asking how do you think someone creates/becomes a Hitetsu, like how can sukiyaki kozuki become the swordsmith tenguyama hitetsu.

[modest skiff]

What I think some people assume is that Sukiyaki used the name hitetsu as his sword smith alias so as to separate both components of his life

[pine hemlock]

Randy Troy makes good theories tbf,I liked his law and Vivi theory too

[limpid sequoia]

well yes but it is obviously more than that because all the Hitetsus are cursed blades

[modest skiff]

Kitetsu is a sword. Hitetsu is a person

[devout mural]

Has anyone seen the 30min theory about where One Piece was? Joined the discord recently to discuss with the one piece fam

[bitter kraken]

Yeah it was nice

[devout mural]

Blew my mind

[limpid sequoia]

okay but you know what I mean, Hitetsu created the sandai, and so on for his ancestors so how does one become the forger of a cursed blade and how does someone like Sukiyaki become a swordsmith capable of doing that

[sharp pecan]

I like it, but I don’t think it is true for a couple reasons. First off if the one piece is the other ancient city from the ancient kingdom then Imu would know about it being missing. If in fact it is under Enies Lobby the marines would’ve checked below and if Imu saw it he would know that is in fact the "One Piece" and he would station the admirals there and guard it at all times. Also why would Roger say it’s not the right time if it was just a city?

[modest skiff]

I don’t have an answer for that. My impression is that anyone can be a famous sword smith if they do a good job. My impression is that Sukiyaki was just a great sword smith

[limpid sequoia]

well I'm not saying there aren't connections and clues that make it a possibility, I'm simply asking what you think the process is because if it is true then that is all I want to find out

[devout mural]

Interesting. That theory got me thinking that Luffy’s awakening could play a major role in the location as well considering how far we are in the endgame with literally no sign of it being used as an offensive ability

[limpid sequoia]

ay man he could turn into gentle criminal or some shit, u never know

[devout mural]

And we know it’s a fruit legendary enougj to be guarded

[devout mural]

It would be def like that. I’m just saying we havent seen any sign of Luffy learning it as a way to beat Kaido so maybe it’s actually gonna be used to locate the one piece

[modest skiff]

I don’t think there’s a process of becoming a famous sword smith other than making a bunch of dank ass swords

[limpid sequoia]

I'm not talking about cool swords or high ranking swords, I'm talking about cursed swords, normal people don't make cursed objects

[modest skiff]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I thought all black swords turn black from someone using them a lot and being powerful or something vaguely like that. Maybe it was just a theory or something. Could have sworn they told us some process of swords turning black.

Or is there a distinction between black blades and cursed ones..?

[limpid sequoia]

they are two different things, it's been hinted at that anyone can make a black blade if you embue your haki into it for long enough or something, but cursed blades like the Kitetsu's, Enma, and Law's sword are different, they almost have their own personalities

[modest skiff]

Alright well then I don’t have any clue whatsoever lol. Thanks for correcting me!

[sand sail]

Black blades are a complete unknown for us still, even the inclusion of haki in its making, but cursed swords seem to be mainly something grown through gruesomeness as opposed to whatever connection with the blade happens otherwise

If I'm not mistaken, it was referenced that because of the evil acts of swordsmen, the swords get cursed?

[modest skiff]

Alright so after thinking about this more, I think Sukiyaki’s teapot was a hint that we are about to learn a lot about souls. Prior to the teapot, only weapons had devil fruits in terms of inanimate objects. The teapot is clearly very old etc so I think it’s possible we are going to be shown there is a complex system of souls. This is how ships gain souls, how swords can be cursed and why inanimate objects can have a devil fruit.

Actually now I’m not confident in this after typing it. I need more time to ponder this. I’m still gonna send this message though just in case anyone finds it interesting. But it feels shaky

[limpid sequoia]

um by that logic wouldn't that mean Enma became cursed due to Oden's use of it since he was the only swordsman able to use it

[sand sail]

That has nothing to do with it no, Enma wasn't cursed because Oden didn't just go around slaughtering innocent people with it, by this logic

[silk rain]

I don't think its a "legendary fruit". There are theories that state that the fruit was guarded bc it had slight importance, like a fruit that might be used in Vegapunks experiments. I also recently re-watched the Sabaody arc, in which the pacifistas laser beams were actually deemed to be Kizarus lasers from his DF. We know Vegapunk develops weapons, but he also does experiments like gigantification. One person said that the importance could be related to the gomu gomu fruits properties, like being able to grow (stretch) in size. Therefore I really don't think that they guarded the DF because it is EXTREMELY important, but just because it has a slight importance (for experiments), hence why they would get a low level CP9 agent such as Who's Who (who was comparable to Lucci from pre-ts) to guard the fruit. If they didn't have it stolen, then I believe the most likely scenario is Vegapunk's recreation of certain properties of the gomu gomu fruit like they did with Kizarus fruit. There was also hints and relevance to Vegapunk during the Wano arc prior to Who's Who's introduction. U should watch KOL video about the best gomu gomu no mi theory, it talks about a bit of it

I actually want to know if u guys think this is possible as well, i find it really interesting

[devout mural]

I havent seen that video of his, ill check it out. Usually only watch his live reaction for goat edits

[maiden lynx]

Okay so I have a thought. You know how the Long Ring Long Land Arc kind of feels like a canon filler arc except for the stuff that happens at the end? Well what if it existed to establish the idea of a Davy Back Fight, so it can be done with far higher stakes later on?

My theory, either Luffy or Shanks is going to challenge the other crew to a Davy Back Fight.

[pseudo citrus]

this is definitely something people considered, especially since it seems possible that there could be a confrontation between shanks crew and luffy's crew... doing it with a davy back fight would be the way to do it without having people actually fighting

[maiden lynx]

Good to know I am not the only one who thought of that.

[modest skiff]

But why? Why would 2 crews that are so close with each other ever want that? Both sides would feel incredibly guilty

[weary cliff]

What are the stakes again? Take a flag or a crewmate? Maybe they just play a friendly game

[modest skiff]

Winner takes a crew mate. Shanks would never in a million years feel right stealing a crew mate from Luffy. Same with Luffy and Shanks. The entire idea is silly and needs to be shot in the head

[weary cliff]

Sure, sure that would never happen.

Thank you mods

[dusky acorn]

It's true that the stakes would be higher here since they'd be matched up against an Emperor, but knowing what Davy back fights are all about, how would this whole ordeal reasonably progress the story?
The reason Foxy's davy stuff could work so well as this more casual thing was exactly because it took place much earlier on in the series, at Paradise. After Wano, I feel like we'll really be hinging on things having to ramp up in very meaningful ways

I guess it gives you the character interactions between Luffy and Shanks, but those can be done in so many other ways. I feel it's pretty clear that combat is the activity Shanks had in mind when he said he wants to meet Luffy as a great pirate

[mighty moth]

u guys are censoring my opinon smh

#freeusfromtyranny

[weary cliff]

I take the shanks interaction, if we get one, to be mainly fan service. A chance for Luffy to feel like he's made it, before it all goes tragic with Shanks's demise. Usopp is the one liable to have an emotional payoff

[mighty moth]

why yall mfs want shank to die so bad for the sake of emotional value lmao

[modest skiff]

(I'm home and on my laptop so able to type proper replies now)

Ok so, just to be clear, we essentially have a big fat 0 next to "number of things we know about cursed swords"? Since getting home I have been reading the wiki for Sandai Kitetsu. I am starting to see where @limpid sequoia started wondering if they contain souls.

Here's what I feel like we kind of know so far:

1. Cursed Swords can be cursed upon forging, doesn't require time or experience

2. Cursed Swords can harm their owner

3. Cursed Swords have will of their own

4. Zoro has some type of capability to tame swords. Presumably others do as well.

5. Hitetsu is the only person we know of that has made cursed swords

6. kind of a side thing...Shusui wasn't a cursed sword, right?

Here's an extremely tin-foil theory, based on recent happenings:

There is some kinda mythical creature that somehow exists in Japanese mythology. This creature is able to make cursed blades in some way. That part I actually feel pretty good about. The question is how. Part of me wondered if there is some kinda mythical creature that helps spirits move into the afterlife. If there is some kind of version of the grim reaper in Japanese mythology, I think its possible Wano has historically managed to hold on to certain mythical zoans for a very long time. It is possible that Oda is going to give Wano a few Japanese mythical zoans that have certain roles throughout history that correspond to the roles of mythical creatures in Japanese mythology. So for example perhaps Sukiyaki/Hitetsu had a devil fruit that gave him some sort of ability over souls which essentially allows someone who passed away to inherit/occupy a sword? Perhaps the intrinsic personality of a person ends up being the personality of the sword. One of the issues with this is the fact that cursed swords all seem to be negative. They all seem to have a deviant personality so far. Although you could argue Enma is just incredibly powerful and demanding, not negative.

The main thing that makes me think this is some kind of devil fruit power is the fact that it can happen before a sword is even used. So someone is able to forge a thing with personality. Its not clear to me how in the world you do that without a devil fruit power. So I therefore essentially default to a mythical zoan since a lot of that going around lately.

[weary cliff]

It just makes sense. For one, Luffy can't give the hat back. It's progressed continuously forward since maybe Joyboy

[mighty moth]

bro shanks is a yonko so he knows more then a lot of pirates so instead of him literally fucking dying for the sake of plot and emotional value how about instead he actually teaches luffy about joyboy and how he must fufil joyboys dream and promises to free the world from the celestial dragons

[sand sail]

That was never Joyboy's dream

[mighty moth]

u rite well either way we don't know shit about joyboy so let's just wait till we know more

[weary cliff]

If the next step of the story is the new generation taking charge, just let BB kill shanks to give Luffy those personal stakes. BB is technically worst gen

[sand sail]

Yeah, Enma is not a cursed blade. The only thing I've seen about it is back in chapter 97, when Zoro first gets Kitetsu. But that's just a bit of negative urban legends, not really a cause or source of it

[modest skiff]

But Enma still has some form of will of its own, right? Or at least that seemed to be the implication?

[weary cliff]

We aren't show the effects of cursed blades at all. Well sandai I guess went too far at Whiskey Peak.

Law's sword is supposedly cursed and it's never been anything but a sword

[modest skiff]

Maybe cursed swords are melted in seawater, lol

[sand sail]

Shusui as well had a bad attitude, though wasn't cursed. Blade personality seems to be a separate thing, with "curse" being a matter of circumstance, not the blade's "person"

[modest skiff]

I'm having a hard time thinking of how a sword gets a personality without a devil fruit. But it would need to be a really weird one lol

[sand sail]

Look into Shinto philosophy about it, I'm sure that's what's being borrowed from here, haha

[weary cliff]

Supernatural stuff occasionally happe s

[sand sail]

It's also a general Japanese cultural thing, an item being used for long enough builds a connection with its owner and can sometimes develop its own "spirit" or "soul"

[mighty moth]

yea but you gotta tame it so as long as it is firmly under your control u should be fine but i presume if zoro is fatigued he won't be able to use ennma since he won't have the energy to supress it

[modest skiff]

Yeah the whole idea of something gaining a soul from use/experience/effort/time makes sense to me. I was just under the impression we had examples of an object having will while also being newly forged. If something newly forged had a spirit, I would wonder how that happened

[sand sail]

Newly forged is another matter yeh, I dunno about that.

[mighty moth]

i can't wait to see shank's advanced COC lmao that sounds really bad outa context

[modest skiff]

Newly forged is where I say “must have been a devil fruit I guess lol”

[slim moat]

Why I think there will be another arc which will focus solely on Beast Pirates?

Wano so far focused only on Samurai and Kozuki clan. The country is oppressed by Orochi. The 9 Scabbards and Alliance focused mostly on driving Kaido out. Not ending Kaido's life.

imo Kaido will do strategic retreat after next 10 chapters once Luffy beats him.

[outer locust]

Interesting theory….

[slim moat]

Another thing is, so far we didn't get any back stories for Beast Pirates. Also even if Luffy defeats Kaido now, it won't be enough to get the rank of Yonko. He has to rule some number of territories.

[maiden terrace]

Honestly I think he'll be getting Yonkou rank either way

Kinda stupid to think that even If he beats "The worlds strongest creature" who's a yonkou, you still need to have territory

That being said, I still think that Wano will be under SH protection after Kaidou's defeat

[slim moat]

Blackbeard didn't get the title until he captured enough territory. Blackbeard is even more notorious than Luffy.

[weary cliff]

Yonko structure could stop existing

[pseudo citrus]

shichibukai stopped during wano, would make sense for the yonko to end too. the whole point of both structures was to maintain balance, but we know that a war is coming, so RIP balance

[snow herald]

My theory: Robin didn't actually use haki. It's either just an artistic style oda went with or it's an ability of her hana hana no mi.

[solid badger]

Awokening

[snow herald]

She can sprout body parts like flowers. Flowers come in all sorts of colours. She probably has the ability to alter the colour of the flowers she sprouts and she went with black to give her the demonic look. Because before that her giant clone was naked with her natural skin tone, even though her real self had clothes. So I think colour alterations takes a toll on her stamina.
We also saw her normal sized clones in fishman island with clothes. The clone was normal sized so it didn't tire her out so much.

Why would she clone her clothes in FI and not here?

Simply because here, her clone is giant. Almost all her giant clones are naked and have no colour alterations, expect this demonia mode, which seems to take the biggest toll on her

[chilly dragon]

... or it could just be armament

[jagged yacht]

I think there's much simpler explanation which is black demon looks badass and giant naked robin looks hot :)

[grizzled fog]

It doesn’t look like armament. It’s shading

[slim moat]

How can you end yonko system? They are actual rulers. Not government hired pirates. You can't end yonko(the strongest pirates).

[pure raven]

luffy needs to rule some territories to get yonko
blackbeard didn't get title until he captured enough territory

It's simple really, all the world government needs to do is extend their influence to all those yonko territories to end the yonko system following your logic from above

[pseudo citrus]

that's true... arguably the system ended when BM and Kaido formed an alliance, or even before that when it became the "goko" with luffy as the fifth

[slim moat]

Not possible to win these territories. If they can, they could have done it already.

[slim moat]

Fifth emperor is more like Morgan's idea rather than commonly accepted thing.

[teal nymph]

WG trying to extend their influence on yonko territories would ultimately result in a war b/w the two which the WG mostlikely wants to avoid

[slim moat]

Yeah. Totto land is like in their face. WG can easily find all those islands. It's shame they couldn't order buster call on Whole Cake Island.

[modest skiff]

Yeah if I'm being honest, the WG is really lucky the yonkos aren't concerned with the "main seas"

the navy seems totally irrelevant in the new world

[blissful spade]

law makes luffy immoral

it makes perfect sense , considering the rate his life span is going rn.

what goes to say his awakening wouldn’t chip at it ?

[grizzled fog]

And what rate would that be? He isn’t currently losing life

[blissful spade]

he did tho in the past did he not ?

[grizzled fog]

The only confirmed instance is in impel down.

!g2

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/861888283901165578/image0-4__01.jpg

[grizzled fog]

Even if you think pre ts G2 took away years of his life he still has plenty lol. He’s not gonna be running out

[blissful spade]

fair but , why wouldn’t law do it

i mean he’s smart right

[supple anchor]

law dont wanna die

[grizzled fog]

Why wouldn’t law sacrifice his life to make luffy stop aging? Why WOULD he do that

[blissful spade]

for the Will oF D

[dusky acorn]

It's just like, the whole point of the eternal youth surgery is for longevity. There's not much point in using it when we won't see its effects actually doing much of anything in the present story

[grizzled fog]

Horrible reason. Luffy woudlnt want to live forever and law isn’t just gonna give up his life to do that suddenly because “muh D”

[dusky acorn]

Luffy doesn't need to surpass what his normal life span would be for us to see this series through to the end

[blissful spade]

[grizzled fog]

Luffy could’ve somehow lost decades of his life pre ts (he didn’t) and he’d still die well after the series ends.

[blissful spade]

i’m shutting that thought down 😭

you hit me with a theory

[slim moat]

New theory I came up in other chat.

If we are sticking to the old pattern, Luffy reached half of the grandline and then things went south, followed by Marine Ford where he lost his brother.
Same thing will happen post TS too. He will reach Laughtale and then final war starts.

[pure raven]

I think so too, a lot of people think laugh tale will be the last thing in the series but I'm more thinking that the SH find it and then the final war starts, so the SH can act on whatever knowledge is hidden there that can "turn the world upside down"

[slim moat]

Yeah. I would prefer both stories happening separately. If reaching laughtale is final story, the war wil ruin the adventure theme.

[pure raven]

So didn’t Oda say one of the crew members may die in Wano? Any guesses? Or will one of the 3 doctors might die Law, Marco, Chopper

[mighty dome]

When did Oda say that

[junior cape]

Yeah proof or ban

[junior cape]

That makes a lot of sense

[mild crag]

I think perhaps, he got confused by this theory

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/bma23y/member_of_strawhats_will_die_in_wano/

It’s the only thing I can find on it after a few minutes of searching. Perhaps its one of those classic “author said this” rumour that drifts around causing contention

Also, I fully agree with the idea of the cycle from romance dawn to marineford occurring again in the new world. We even had our version of alabasta with a big battle being set up across multiple arcs, battles against elites of the world (shinbukai vs yonko) and constant hints at a larger war growing in yhe background ala whitebeard

[nimble thistle]

I was watching a video of a theory in One Piece that sprung up recently. In the video, the chapter 269 image spread is brought to attention in it. However, he brings it up for the sake of the birds in the background. Anyhow, I was going to ask about this in an appropriate channel in this server, but I think this one might fit the best and it probably has no actual relevance to anything, but...

||https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/c/c3/Chapter_269.png/revision/latest?cb=20130121043205||

For reference in a spoiler tag so it takes less space unless you click it, the image in question. I was curious just what Luffy is writing... I cannot think of the time I've personally seen Luffy write anything, and seeing various OP theories out there, Oda definitely draws attention to certain things and, for me, this seems the most... Odd in this image. Again, possibly nothing but...

[latent patio]

The first kanji on his current paper is 春 which means 'spring', but the rest doesn't look like Japanese writing to me; they may be some random hiragana, but I can't quite make them out if that's the case. Anyway I doubt it's something particularly meaningful.

[past river]

春　日　う　ら　ら　う　ら I think

doesn't seem like there is any meaning in it if it's those kana

[dark palm]

I guess like

spring day beautiful or something weird

[pure raven]

theres these characters too

[dark palm]

since it's supposed to be spring with the cherry blossoms

[pure raven]

I can recognize the kanji for nine (九) but thats about it, Idk the rest

[past river]

don't think that is nine

pretty sure it's 丸

which is 'round'

the other ones are too obscured or uncommon for me to know what they are though

[pure raven]

i don't see the extra stroke you are seeing

[dark palm]

luffy's shitty handwriting

[past river]

^

it's obscured and the handwriting aint the prettiest but I also don't know what that kana would be if it was separate from the upper part

[pure raven]

yeah its pretty confusing
this character here is especially one:

the only kanji I know of that has 火(Fire) on the left and 一+儿 at bottom is 焼 (Bake)

[past river]

yeah same, if that is the gambler radical on the right it is weirdly written though, but japanese fonts are an actual nightmare if you're not native so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just that

[austere prairie]

have you guys ever wonder if onigashima was god valley island that vanish because kaido fly it to wano weird

[sturdy hound]

this one might be 焼 but crudely written

[past river]

wha

that's what we said

[sturdy hound]

didnt notice lol

but whole thing could be 丸焼き

all of this might be a food menu

[nimble thistle]

😮 What do those mean?

[sturdy hound]

丸焼き means "whole roast"

[wooden otter]

HAHAHAHA

[nimble thistle]

🤣 Googling them actually shows it too, wow.

So, it could actually be a food menu yeah. 🤔 Wouldn't be so odd or out of character for Luffy then. 🤣 That's actually awesome if it's true. One time you see Luffy write something, and it's a menu.

[wooden otter]

oda wouldnt be so specific as to just shade her arms and legs a darker shade so randomely just to ass some flowers or some crap its most def armament haki thats how she was also able to destroy black marias legs without worrying about the poisons effect

lol just my theory but it seems like it is armament to me

[ancient vault]

Its not haki. Hes shading it to fit the "demon" theme of her new ability/form. Haki shading is completely different if you look up a few examples you'll realize

[sturdy hound]

https://www.weblio.jp/content/春うらら

might be it

[wooden otter]

then how is she able to destroy black marias legs without the issue of her poison destroying her limbs

[past river]

where does the 日 fit in there

[sturdy hound]

it's part of haru...

[ancient vault]

I thought only the tip was poisonous

[sturdy hound]

there's no individual 日 right?

[wooden otter]

nah wen rovin grabbed the leg black maria said the leg itself was poisonous

[dark palm]

I honestly think she stopped giving a shit and went straight for the killing blow

[past river]

holy shit that is written so ugly

[dark palm]

but yeah, legs are poison TIPPED

[ancient vault]

my image is higher quality >>>>>

[sturdy hound]

more like, get new eyes

[past river]

it's literally not attached

[wooden otter]

ill checo truuuu

[past river]

actually disgusting

[sturdy hound]

how did you see it as 2 tho

that's the real question

[past river]

cause it's unattached

wdym

[sturdy hound]

s-sure

[pure raven]

yeah that 日 is definitely nested under 𡗗

[sturdy hound]

you read kanji twice huh

[wooden otter]

idk i guess its still unconfirmed wether its armament or not guess we gotta wait another chapter maybe but i personally think it prob is armament haki but i guess we gotta wait and c

[pure raven]

its smaller than the rest of characters

[stuck ore]

So if someone eats revive revive fruit

And eats a second df and dies

Will he revive and will he have both df powers after getting revived?

[nimble thistle]

Probably not?

I'd imagine that the second DF would destroy the consumer and not technically be a DF they possessed. Leaving them with just the Revive-Revive fruit.

[stuck ore]

Hmm

[past river]

Yeah it's a part of 春, am not denying that, it's just written in an ugly manner, writing the radicals unattached from each other. Japanese fonts shouldn't exist man

[dark palm]

luffy certainly makes it worse as well lol

[sturdy hound]

more like you should shut up and learn those fonts

[pure raven]

yeah i get your pain man, those custom drawn kanji found in titles are especially painful reads

[sturdy hound]

i saw you complaining about not so bad katakana the other day hydra, you just need to git gud

[past river]

I don't remember that at all

[tawny fog]

Did anyone see the theory about raftel being below enies lobby?

[nimble thistle]

Yeah. It's a pretty mindblowing theory if it holds true.

[tawny fog]

Mind blowing

[nimble thistle]

That being said, what gets me, is how the dots just seem to connect once some of those cards are laid out. Some of the theory just doesn't seem to connect nearly as well as the others.

[tawny fog]

True

[nimble thistle]

Also, if you think about it, since you've seen the thoery... Enies Lobby being the "moon" to the City of Gold's "sun" makes a bit more sense if you think about cosmotology.

Enies Lobby never sees a sunset. It's always bright and sunny there. The moon is always in contact with sunlight, except for very rare circumstances (an eclipse.)

[tawny fog]

Yea

[surreal plume]

I think about this panel everyday. Why is blackbeard considered more than "one guy" ? This happen very early in the series, Jaya Arc

Zoro even agrees, only Nami is left oblivious about that

Blackbeard being more than one person may be the reason why he could eat two fruits without dying

[frigid brook]

were they joking because of how big he is?

[floral oxide]

wild

[minor crater]

Rocks ate the reincarnation fruit so that when he dies he reincarnates as a person with all his experiences and mementoes and everything but the drawbacks is that he has to share a soul, the original soul of marshal d teach meaning that there’s more than one person in mashal d teaches body. Which allows for him to eat more than one df explains why zoro and luffy both say when they see bb that he is “them” instead of “he” explains why his ship flag is three heads cuz he has 3 souls from the reincarnate fruit

[surreal plume]

How come luffy and zoro can guess how many souls one does have ? Two different hakis coming from the same guy would explain why they guessed that imo

And if three heads = three souls, beside Rocks and BB's, whose soul is the third one ?

Sure thing that three heads thing on the flag is intriguing, I can bet that BB is indeed three people

[mild crag]

Yeah I always felt that a third fruit must be part pf it, potentially even being the explanation of how he got the other two

Although that seems countered by the idea that they seemed to fear taking whitebeard might fail, so if they took one already atop the first, then why fear the third?

[smoky valve]

Nah, his crew was around him

[weak flicker]

That, and I think Luffy refers to how there’s more than one pirate out there still believing in dreams.

[pure raven]

This thing when u see in anime it is totally different and is mostly seen as Comparisons between the ideals of people like Bellamy and blackbeard

[weary cliff]

They can't do that. They don't even have their own haki yet. They just realized BB wasn't alone. That's why Nami is so confused, she didn't realize he had companions

[pure raven]

Well more like instincts

[weary cliff]

Yeah, instincts that he has a crew

[pure raven]

so in one of the recent chapters where the scabbards confronted kaido we saw that kaidos scar was aching.

in this panel from marineford where shanks and BB meet up we see shanks' eye make a "zing" effect but could this possibly be his scar aching from being near Blackbeard rather than CoC?

[short sun]

Whats CoC?

[pure raven]

Conquer coating

[short sun]

Ah

[latent patio]

color of conqueror

god I hate that the official translation made 色 into "color" instead of "type" even though it makes far less sense as it has nothing to do with colors

[sturdy hound]

@ruby spoke

[ancient vault]

Because haki is a spectrum just like color

[sturdy hound]

We can tell that it means “type” by the simple fact that there are 3 varsities using the same suffix, and the term translates well in English, so why complicate things. Just say “color” to persevere the original wording in case it becomes relevant later on. And even if it doesn’t, we would still be true to the original.

[ancient vault]

So
Day 1:
Shanks discusses with Gorosei
Revo infiltrated the "island" and discuss further actions while hidden
Bonney has infiltrated the castle succesfully
Cobra requested an audience with the Gorosei
--> Wants to ask questions about the poneglyphs and the past of the Nerfetari family
Reverie begins

Day 2 and 3:
Unknown what happened

Day 4:
Sabo and the revos get caught
--> Fight between revos and admirals (Greenbull and Fujitora) breaks out

Day 5 and 6:
Unknown what happened

**Day 7: **
Kings come to a conclusion
--> Abolishment of the Shichibukai system

Some time earlier "1 week after Reverie":

Morgans gets intel about:
1 Attempted Murder
1 Death
The reverie outcome = Abolishment of shichibukai system
Wapol leak

1 week after the Reverie:
Kings head home
Garp on the way to FMI is informed about what happened
News start spreading

@obtuse gazelle @hollow viper alright so i wrote it out

Or maybe
On the 7th day the Kings start voting. And 1 week later the result is revealed.
That would line up better actually

[modest skiff]

Nefertari asking about his family's past is interesting. I keep wondering if there was some kind of mass amnesia event. What if the glyphs were written because they knew everyone was about to forget?

[slim moat]

Kings' voting might be different thing from abolishing of shichibukai system. The wording is something like,

The news of Kings' vote and resulting incidents.

Also Neptune says the meeting is bad one.

If all they did was abolishing Shichibukai system, why did he say things like that about meeting? Neptune is honorable guy. He would be praising them.

Also incidents may not be related to capturing Hancock or Mihwak. Coby and others still on the way to capture them when the news broke out.

[ancient vault]

Nah its revealed later that they agreed on it. Riku and Cobra tried to convince the others to vote exactly for that

[ancient vault]

that was garp not neptune. He said that because sth bad happened to the Nerfertari family

[slim moat]

Okay. I didn't see the face clearly. The argument still valid. Garp knows Shichibukai are bad. He would be praising them.

[ancient vault]

reread what I said

The bad part is about the attempted murder + death

[autumn crypt]

Men I love when things get discussed it doesn't make me feel alone wondering how to solve every puzzle in one piece

[slim moat]

It didn't explain the incidents part though. King's vote and resulting incidents. What incidents can happen because of the votes?

At least 2 different things happened. 1) The incident the gov sought to hush up. 2) Kings' vote and resulting incidents.

[ancient vault]

Vote results = Abolishment of Shichibukai system
1 Fatality
1 Attempted Murder
WG hush up
Wapol leak

[slim moat]

These guys could have done something.

[twin osprey]

Yes

[obtuse gazelle]

Sounds about right. Which means the death of Cobra/Vivi could be either on Mariejoie (which I highly doubt) or on their way to Alabasta. A death of a king during the reverie is a very bad image for the WG. I don’t think the Gorosei would go for that especially after mentioning that the balance should be kept.

[slim moat]

Yes. But what incidents can happen after abolishing shichibukai system? It's not making sense to me.

[obtuse gazelle]

Swrml was stating from a previous discussion on another channel the events that would occur respecting the timeline

[slim moat]

I am not refuting his theory/analysis. Just trying to add more details.

[ancient vault]

this isnt the order. Or it doesnt have to be in thaz order.

So we got
Kings Vote
1 Fatality
1 Attempted Murder
Wapol Leak

And out of those
Kings Vote = Abolishment of Shichibukai system
1 Fatality ?=? possibly cobra (I think this is the most logical so I'll take it as a fact)
1 Attempted Murder ?=? possibly vivi
Wapol Leak = ????
Leaves us with sabo if the other two are correct

The wapol leak mightve been sabos "death". The way they reacted

[slim moat]

What if Leo and the gang did something? He seems to be itching to do something.

[fathom matrix]

if the mutliple souls or personalities theory is true, it would be interesting if Teach, Blackbeard and the third unknown one (if it urns out to be Rocks for some reason) all shared one body

[ancient vault]

Leo gathered pound I doubt they wouldve managed to escape that easily

[slim moat]

Pound?

[opal sparrow]

Momo won’t become an adult

[outer locust]

He better

[supple anchor]

I dont think Oda would bring back Sabo just to kill him off screen. I definitely think there are some lies being reported about the Reverie but since we dont know what was even reported its hard to guess what that is. Morgans has said that he has no problem reporting lies, but not reporting lies that other people want him to, just the lies that he wants to report.

[trim copper]

clash of clan

[charred wharf]

That celestial dragon did enough

And probably did more, because we don't know anything that actually happened in riverie

[ancient vault]

Well yeah I doubt hes seriously dead either. I meant more so in the news he was declared as dead

[supple anchor]

ah gotcha, i misunderstood

[ancient vault]

Im starting to think this mightve been a plan by the WG

Send the cp agent there to hide a story. Then have wapol leak info right after?
What if the cp agent + wapol was a bait and morgans took it which the WG knew he would do. So basically they outsmarted him

[supple anchor]

oooooo i really like that theory. i mean we know cp got some top notch agents and they must have a grasp of morgan's personality, that seems completely plausible to me

[obtuse gazelle]

Brain Gymnastics

[steep vigil]

Theory: Luffy was destined to eat the gum gum fruit

[opal sparrow]

I hate that he’s destined I like it better that he ate cuz he just thought it was good

[steep vigil]

At the beginning Luffy said he was a good swimmer, and the Will of D attracts misfortune

[opal sparrow]

One piece gonna be the only story where the mc didn’t have a special moment getting his power. Luffy deadass just ate it cuz he likes to eat food

[supple anchor]

lmao i feel like that how a good portion of DF users got their power

yamato was the same

[steep vigil]

Bro that second bite when Luffy was eating the gum gum fruit probably tasted like hell

[slim moat]

That's way too deep. Even Oda won't create such realistic twisty stuff.

[smoky valve]

Ngl this pov was fiiire

Also, do you guys think that Black Beard is going for Toki's fruit here in Wano since he has the same amount of knowledge on fruits as Vegapunk

[modest skiff]

We don’t know how BB devil fruit knowledge compares to vegapunk

By my estimation BB likely has more broad knowledge and vegapunk a certain amount of specific knowledge

[supple anchor]

yeah i feel like BB got some historical knowledge from someone and Vegapunk is all scientific

[pure raven]

@modest skiff id be willing to bet its the opposite.. or rather its too early to give these labels

[modest skiff]

What I mean is that I think BB knows the entire history and whatnot around DFs but I don’t think he knows what lineage factor is, for example. But maybe he does

[forest rampart]

Agree but you missed smth here.
Let me rewrite it again.

• Fatality: Cobra
• An attempted murder: Vivi
• Reverie outcome/Kings vote: abolishment of shichibukai

Some missing stuff:

• Resulting event: mission to arrest the seven warlords.
• Wapol has some leaked intel.

For Wapol's intel, I also think it was about: Sabo's "death", but there are probably a few more stuff (idk).

I don't really understand what was BB after, but it's probably related with those Wapol's leaked infos.
So I assume,
　- Maybe there is smth about WG/CP0 in Wano.

But BB was talking about Navy, not WG, and Navy never wanted to go to Wano.
Also, Coby and navy were on their way to capture the seven warlords.

Back to Sabo again, I think it was about Sabo's "death punishment/execution, like WG him for Cobra's death. Maybe also blamed him for the attempted murder of Vivi.

What was BB after..

[modest skiff]

Yeah Sabo being framed for a Nefertari assassination appears most likely

[forest rampart]

Yep, not my idea tho. But it makes more sense this way.

[gentle lily]

Where are yall getting the idea that Wapol leaked info? is there a panel of that?

[modest skiff]

Well since a lot of people independently came to the same conclusion I don’t think it’s really anyone’s idea lol

[forest rampart]

Also, I guess this means that those RAs with Sabo failed to declare war with WG. Or am I wrong?

[modest skiff]

Yeah I missed this somehow

[fathom matrix]

Do you think the Blackbeard crew has a crap of insane devil fruits?

I don't mean just powerful, but also weird?

[forest rampart]

Can't say anything but we still didn't get an explanation behind Laffitte's flying ability, and on how Devon's df works.

[modest skiff]

Well my basic theory is that BB is building a combo of devil fruits that will allow him checkmate vs MarieJois. Like I think specific ones end up being over powered on the same user

[fathom matrix]

Or here's a very scary idea. What if Blackbeard shared the secret or did something where someone could have 2 devil fruit powers?

Like, when the strawhats are fighting an opponent (the flying captains) and they think they've beaten them, but they rise back up, either turn into an elemental, a zoan or something, as they reveal that they have 2 devil fruit powers, and when they're asked how is that possible, they would shout "that's for the captain and us to know, and us alone"

[modest skiff]

I think if he could share the ability to have more than 1, Burgess would have already had at least 1 by Dressrosa

[fathom matrix]

Oh yeah, it'd be interesting if Burgess turned out to have a new devil fruit which would be a fire type one. Either a logia or methane fruit, that allows him to emit methane flames

OH, and Methane in Japanese is Metan. So maybe a paramecia fruit called the "Metan Metan no mi" where sure, he can't become a logia, but his flames are a lot stronger than flare flare fruit's

[supple anchor]

I think Wapol can leak Vivi's connection to the Strawhats, i mean he saw them together in Drum Kingdom and the info isnt public knowledge

[fathom matrix]

OH THAT'S ALSO AN IDEA, Wapol was at revire, so might have sold some info too.

[supple anchor]

mhmmm and i would bet money that blackbeard is heading to alabasta to get Pluton, I would bet any amount of money

[forest rampart]

So if the public know about their connection, it would give rights to the WG to dethrone Alabasta from their WG system, and to arrest them is it?

[supple anchor]

Yeah i mean if Cobra is dead and it comes out that Vivi, the Queen of Alabasta, was a member of the Strawhat Pirates, then its as if Alabasta is an ally of the strawhats and its an excuse for the WG to step in. Im sure the WG is more after Pluton than anything else but its a great excuse to take over

this all wild speculation though lmao

[forest rampart]

I don't think that the WG would want Pluton even if they're aware about it and its whereabouts.
But who knows. I'll stick to that WG wouldn't want it tho.

[supple anchor]

They wanted it when Franky had the blueprints, they even sent half of CP9 to be undercover for 5 years just for a chance to get it. Franky burned the blueprints though so the only way they can get it now is in Alabasta. I could 100% be wrong no doubt, but i like this lil headcannon of mine

[forest rampart]

I've discussed about this before with some others but WG only wanted the blueprint because of Spandam. It was Spandam that suggested the idea to WG. And WG told him to prove it to them by confirming the existence of that blueprint, and by getting the the blueprint. But then, the mission has been failed because Franky has burned it to crisp.

[digital horizon]

My thinking is Sabo is reported dead, Cobra is the attempted murder, gorosei probably wanted to do him in and blame his sickness later but the rev attacked interfered, revs are being blamed for the attempted murder, and the info the WG didn't want leak is the location of pluton and even the confirmation that it exists. It'd explain all the reactions, blackbeard seeking to reap a reward from something the WG is aware of or doing, and Wapol has info regarding vivi

I like the idea his info is Vivi's connection to the strawhats

[forest rampart]

Revealing something like the ancient weapon would surely throw the world into an uproar.
Honestly, I don't think that BB was after Pluton, zero percent as for now.
I still can't find or confirm anything on what kind of thing that BB was after. Some ideas that I like would be about the weapons from Wano, but it was WG/CP0 that deals with shogun of Wano, not Navy.
Some also suggested that perhaps it was about that BB wanted ti recruit those seven warlords rather than letting them get arrested by Navy but I can't really agree with this idea.

[ancient vault]

Regarding BB:
It could be an ancient weapon
It could also be him wanting to recruit the shichibukais

[forest rampart]

I prefer the second one if anything.

Also, BM and Kaido's alliance was about them wanting to get the ancient weapon isn't?

[ancient vault]

hows that to deep lol

[gloomy dirge]

You think there's anything underneath Wano?

[digital horizon]

I can see recruiting the warlords too but all of Blackbeard's moves have been for great power not little power. With the warlords we had remaining I can't see how much great power BB could hope to gain that he would move himself to pick them up. The only two I could see him trying to pick up is Weevil and Buggy Weevil being most likely even if only because weevil hasn't done anything of major note yet. BB could promise him to track down all of WB's old crew but I couldn't see even with the possible scam involved with weevil and his mother them working with his alleged father's killer. Buggy could offer some military might if the pirates in his operation follow him, but that doesn't seem major enough for blackbeard himself to move. It's a nice idea though

it just feels like when Blackbeard makes a m ove especially if he's been chilling for a while, it's because he has his sights on something that can give him world changing power and I don't think recruiting the warlords would be that. Pluton would definitely be that tho

[ancient vault]

Weevil wants to kill him lol

[waxen dust]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Weevil teams with BB

The old granny definitely has the final say in what Weevil is or isn’t allowed to do

[ancient vault]

Well weevil has a personal grudge vs BB. I think its more likely he teams up with luffy

[rapid tapir]

do u guys agree that the one piece is the all blue?

[ancient vault]

no

[ancient vault]

the revs attacked on day 4

[waxen dust]

Weevil can jump ship at some point, but I definitely think he’ll be with BB for a bit at least. That old granny will see teaming with Teach as a profitable move, if anything Weevil leaves her for Luffy or Marco later.

[rapid tapir]

like i’ve seen some videos and it just makes sense, but i’m really not sure what could it possibly be

[rapid tapir]

he’s not that strong tho, right? so it won’t be a problem for luffy

[gloomy dirge]

What if he just lost to the marines LOL

[waxen dust]

He’s definitely strong, we don’t know to what extent but if he actually meant to replicate WB than that’s 100% a powerful individual regardless their biologically related or not. Plus he’s an idiot and usually stupid people have brute force along with their low IQ.

[ancient vault]

he defeated 16 allied captains of WB. Hes super strong

[waxen dust]

oh yes I forgot about that, yes he’s gonna be facing Luffy and possibly Marco at some point. So he’ll be a formidable opponent

[rapid tapir]

yes of course, but i meant, that for luffy with the power he’ll have at that point it won’t be such a big deal

luffy would probably battle with BB

[ancient vault]

why not?

Hes at least as strong as a jack it seems

[waxen dust]

no it’s still going to be a major deal, if Weevil can low diff 16 WB commanders all by himself and is meant to be WB 2.0 then he will give Luffy a tough fight.

[forest rampart]

Yea I also think the same

[ancient vault]

Yeah it doesnt seem like he had any difficulties. Especially if defeated 16 fo those

[forest rampart]

So Marco will go to Elbaf since I think we'll get to see Weevil there

[waxen dust]

Unless...Weevil shows up here soon

👀

WKK (Weevil Kills Kaido) l
LOLOLOL

[forest rampart]

Wano might ends in 30 chapters, so I dont think so

[waxen dust]

I doubt 30 chapters and even so then a lot can still happen in 30 chapters itself

[rapid tapir]

oh yeah my bad, my first language is not english so i misunderstood that u were talking about those guys of WBs crew

[supple anchor]

I'm just hoping Act 3 ends in 30 chapters

[forest rampart]

What's your take then?

[pure raven]

reminder: zou was 23 chapters long

[waxen dust]

I give it 40-50 chapters for Wano to end, maybe 30-40 for the raid alone to end

[ancient vault]

feels like we're about to reach the climax

[rapid tapir]

if he did defeat that amount then he would be a good opponent, although i still think he could get beaten by brain cause power is not what it takes to win sometimes

[forest rampart]

Here's a bit of my prediction:
Chp 1035: Kaido's defeats
Chp 1050 or 1052: Wano ends, or we'll see Elbaf

[waxen dust]

it does but we still need Kaido backstory and we also have a few more fights to wrap up. We also got Big Mom (another Yonko fight) and then a full out final Kaido fight.

And that’s if nothing or anyone else doesn’t show up

[supple anchor]

#theraidwillfail

[waxen dust]

no raid is not failing but it will have some casualties and definitely some unexpected twist near the end.

[supple anchor]

i mean you cant say that with any certainty, raid could definitely still fail

[waxen dust]

Of course, but for the raid to fail then we would require even more time in Wano so we can successfully open the borders. Oda is seems more ready to begin wrapping things up, unless he pulls a swerve

Raid fails = Another 100+ chapters of Wano

[rapid tapir]

i’m still waiting to see the fight animations tho, with that last Red Hawk i expect worthy animations at wano chapters

[supple anchor]

i dont think necessarily that has to happen, like if onigashima lands on the capital then technically the raid has failed and then they can fight Kaido and beat him then. I have the theory that Momo holds up onigashima just long enough for everyone to evacuate, just like Oden held up the Scabbards, and then we get the final fight with everyone teaming up against Kaido

raid will fail doesnt have to mean that kaido wins

[waxen dust]

Yes it does, that’s the whole point of the raid, defeat Kaido. Onigashima falling has nothing to do with the raid itself, their goal still is to defeat Kaido. iirc, No one has made any mention about stopping Onigashima from crashing. Defeating Kaido means they successfully accomplish the raid.

[supple anchor]

Its the raid of Onigashima though, if Kaido is able to destroy the flower capital and then they beat kaido in the destroyed Flower capital thats a separate situation and the plan to beat Kaido on the isolated island has failed

[fathom matrix]

What if the final battle does still take place on onigeshima, BUT The climaxe will be the island falling on the shogen palace?

Like, we see 1 last attack between Kaido and Luffy, they clash, the island falls, and then as everyone appears in the flow captial, they see a figure in the smoke.

Like, if Momo does say he slayed Orochi, they praise him but ask "what about the dragon god?" or whatever, and then we see something come out the smoke

It's Luffy dragging Kaido's unconscious body through the capital, he's still clutching his broken canabou, but when Luffy drops him, so does kaido drops his weapon, and he shouts about how he defeated Kaido.

[waxen dust]

I don’t mind Onigashima dropping on the capital, if anything it likely possible or it could be on the top of Mount Fuji. Either way by the end of the arc Onigashima should be a part of Wano.

That still doesn’t mean the raid fails, the plan is to defeat Kaido and that has to happen now, otherwise Oda has no intentions of ending this arc within the next year. The raid succeeding means Kaido has been taken down, nothing more.

[queen arrow]

i think Bakkingwould force Weevil to begrudgingly join Blackbeard, but it would eventually lead to him turning against Blackbeard and his mother

[supple anchor]

But that was their entire plan, the plan that was set up for them to beat Kaido in Onigashima during the night of the Fire Festival away from the capital and all the civilians. The destruction of the Flower Capital means that one of their main goals has failed. In my opinion that would constitute a failure of the raid, even if Kaido does get beat in the end. Its like the plan in Dressrossa, the plan was to destroy the factory so that Kaido and Doffy would become enemies but instead that plan fails and Luffy beats Doffy himself

They accomplish their goals, but the plan has failed

[ancient vault]

Well the initial plan faield but luffy doesnt care. He already declared war on all of them

[sand sail]

The plan in Dressrosa never failed, it was only half true. They actually succeeded in that plan totally, even to the point of drawing the attention of Jack. But, Law never wanted to just leave it to Kaido, so that's not too good of an example to use in this case

[queen arrow]

the end goal was the plan was so that Doflamingo was inevitably fucked

[supple anchor]

The plan was to get Doffy to give up his shichibukai status, then destroy the Smile factory to get Kaido to become his enemy. Doffy instead fakes giving up his status and then puts up a birdcage to trap everyone and forces Luffy to beat him. the plan was never for Luffy to beat Doffy himself

[sand sail]

The plan was never for Kaido to do it, either.

[queen arrow]

the plan was to weaken Kaido's forces by ruining the SMILE trade, and to fuck up Doflamingo's whole life, which happened

[sand sail]

Giving up his status as a warlord was just so that he couldn't get help from the marines, and they would begin hunting him as well, it wasn't really part of the plan so much as a bonus

That one single part of the plan fails, sure. But it was always about them taking down Doflamingo, in Law's mind

Leaving it to Kaido was the convenient lie that Law told everyone

[queen arrow]

Law wanted to take Doffy himself, even though they could've taken Caesar and run

[runic osprey]

I think dolflamingo will eventually escape

[supple anchor]

the plan was to destroy the smile factory to get Kaido and Doffy to weaken each other. i re-read it just the other day. They were not planning to take down Doffy when they got there, and it was because of Doffy's fakeout with giving up shichibukai status that the tontattas and Kyros go ahead with their own plan to free the tontattas and lead a revolution

[sand sail]

You should read it again, because it comes out that the plan you're referring to was a sham all along. Law's actual plan was to get revenge on Doflamingo personally. He told them the Kaido bit to get everyone to join with, he was never planning to actually leave it to him.

[supple anchor]

so then both those plans failed?

[ancient vault]

Well they did get kaido attention

[waxen dust]

I’m glad someone else also agrees with this. Weevil is an idiot without having his own opinions, when it’s finally time for him to turn on BB & Bakking then that’ll be his character development moment and allows him to be more of an individual than having Bakkin be his mouthpiece.

[ancient vault]

sounds good

bakkin also feeds into Rocks lore for BB

[queen arrow]

Teach would also probably be interested in having Weevil join him considering he admired Whitebeard's strength

[sand sail]

A plan that was never a real plan can't be called a failure, lol. Law getting his own revenge failed though, yes

[cyan berry]

@barren pike please keep this channel serious

[barren pike]

i mean he could

both are red both boost the power of someone he could

[bleak basin]

how does momo growing older make him stronger? will his sword skills get better?

[exotic echo]

it wouldn't

he'd just be a bigger dragon, like he said this chapter

[grizzled fog]

It could improve his devil fruit abilities a bit

A bigger dragon might just be stronger

[bleak basin]

i wonder how kaido will react lmao

[limpid sequoia]

hmm yes the classic kid with no knowledge of his fruit guessing that being older will make him bigger

[exotic echo]

yeah it would be a good bit stronger just on that basis, but his own mental capacity/ combat talent or however you'd wanna put it won't increase at all

He'd just be bigger and like, be able to slam into shit harder because more mass or something along those lines

[weary cliff]

Bigger dragon has a chance of suspending Onigashima with clouds

[exotic echo]

...presumably, anyway. we'll have to see if it even happens, but if it does, i expect Oda to keep it within reason and not do anything too ridiculous

[bleak basin]

what do you hope will happen

[teal crag]

Does Shinobu have a devil fruit or is it just a jutsu?

[bleak basin]

devil fruit

[exotic echo]

They call the devil fruit abilities jutsus in wano

[limpid sequoia]

we literally just said that it wouldn't increase his mind or talent and yet people still believe that his df will just magically become better with age, he can't boro breath and he can barely fly rn so what changes that, because I can tell you it isn't age

[bleak basin]

so it has to be his abilities get better too or else this transformation will be useless

[weary cliff]

It stands to reason that a zoan will physically mature with age

[bleak basin]

so if his abilities do get better this devil fruit will be too op

[exotic echo]

he'll be able to figure out how to fly if he does it, since he already has. I also think momo would have the courage to just try running in for an attack, or even something like using Ame since he's been swinging his practice katana literally all arc

[limpid sequoia]

the point of him coming up with this idea is to further develop his character and nothing else

[exotic echo]

and that could potentially be effective with an adult's body against someone like Orochi for example

[bleak basin]

god i hate momo personal opinion

[weary cliff]

I would love an Orochi reaction if he looks even slightly like Oden

[limpid sequoia]

momo is just a sponge for Luffy's ideals and mentoring

[exotic echo]

I don't really agree with that, but he's certainly learning a lot about leadership from Luffy

[bleak basin]

momo is only being included because oda wants to use momotaro as a reference

the japanese story

[exotic echo]

that's out of pocket lmao, his role is so much more significant than a reference

[weary cliff]

Momo is a central figure of the arc

[exotic echo]

his name is the reference and that's basically where it ends, besides them going to onigashima to defeat an oni-looking dude

[bleak basin]

momotaro with his monkey, dog and pheseant?

[limpid sequoia]

what makes momo interesting is his path to be a leader as great as Oden but not Oden, which is closely related to Yamato's path. and also Momo's relationship with Luffy.

[nimble thistle]

If Momo aging up years suddenly makes him somehow stronger, even his DF, it will cheapen literally all progress made by any character you care about in OP.

[modest skiff]

Yeah I guess that’s true since Luffy could ask to be made ~50 and likely one-shot most characters lol

[dusky acorn]

Well, no need to worry because I'm quite sure that's not how the power will work. Momo isn't going to become this master swordsman. It's just very blatant logically that this kind of instant aging ability wouldn't give anyone the elite muscle memory (or any extra muscle memory for that matter), haki bloom, or whatever else is necessary to be an insane fighter to go along with the older body.

Momo said it himself, the main thing he wants to derive from this is for his fruit, just being a bigger dragon will be a load of help

And whether or not it'll cheapen other characters? That's subjective for how you feel, it's certainly not going to lessen the efforts of others for me

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I suppose I always assumed Kaido managed to lift the island due to otherwise training his dragon form, meaning it wasn’t just from being older. It’s ok for that to not be true,l. If zoan abilities come with age, I can accept that

[weary cliff]

It's just reasonable that being physically mature vs a literal child conveys some benefit. Especially the zoan form

[nimble thistle]

I just don't see how it can't lessen the efforts of others. If it's some size-related boon that comes with age, I can see that; Kaido is a 50-car length train after all. Seems a little ridiculous by my standards, but it is what it is. Momo, yeah. He's a little RC Car sized tyke of a dragon. You can easily suggest his size as a Dragon will increase as he gets older.

But age doesn't necessarily mean strength... If Momo's DF grows exponentially stronger out of nowhere, it'll literally cheapen strengthening yourself and DF to improve both. That's basically been the rap sheet for the longest time in OP, and Momo will potentially upstage it just by... Getting older.

[dusky acorn]

Well, I'm glad we're on the same page for what this age up will do for Momo with his fruit.
I would actually be more inclined to feel the same on this being cheap if Momo was a complete dud who still couldn't even control his fruit, since aging up would then possibly be brought in to magically alleviate that. However, Oda tried helping this request feel more deserving for Momo by showing that he's got a better handle on his fruit before this happened.
I guess what this boils down to me is that this age-up doesn't feel undeserving, he's put enough work for it to feel appropriate to me

And it's not like this is just a plain power-up either, it's coming at the expense of his youth and long-term well-being since he'd lose this many years off his life in exchange for becoming this weird child minded adult for a long time, which Shinobu highlights as a downside. And for that, I can respect his decision even more

For me, this act of resolve can be compared to Luffy getting all those adrenlaine shots from Iva's fruit if it meant being able to fight more, since those injections weren't just positives either, they came at their own long-term cost of fatigue

[pure raven]

true

[hazy frigate]

I think rocks and blackbeard share one body ...that is why blackbeard can wield two DF's, I have no proof to this claim but the way blackbeard already had such plans as a kid, really tells us something.

[scenic thicket]

blackbeard has three bodies

[pure raven]

They say luffy is inspired by sun wukong the monkey king but oda is more based on buddhism whereas wukong is based on taoism and i just did some amazing research there is one deity in particular that caught my hanuman attention the ruling monkey god of hindu buddhist who cannot be compared to sun wukong as he is way too powerful and wukong himself would be inspired by hanuman as his history is older and they have a lot of similarities in many ways

[mental star]

i think luffy may find the one piece

[hazy frigate]

@pure raven I'm an indian here .. and actually hanuman is the son of wind god, and he was punished for trying to eat the sun ..which led to him forgetting all his powers...I don't think he is the inspiration behind luffy ..coz the entire character of Hanuman is of servitude towards lord Rama.

[cloud sail]

hear me out, crazy theory. Luffy wears a straw hat

[ruby spoke]

oh gosh frickin dangit. ...and thanks for explaining it to the know it alls.

[sturdy hound]

i just copied a bit of the text from when you asked me the other day

[ruby spoke]

they didn't even bother responding lol, like what

also actually, I bet they copy pasted it from somewhere too lmfao

I don't really understand why people are jumping to type, if the general meaning is color, then you use color unless the context would clearly point to it being type... and I don't know what they even noticed for that either, b/c it's like the 10th definition on Jisho lol

def parroting, I bet

[sacred hawk]

You think Luffy will have a mini flashback to that scene when he hears Momo ask that?

[dusky acorn]

I don't expect a clear flashback to that stuff, but just knowing Luffy has been through those similar experiences where he was relying on the fruit of another for immediate strength, he'll know exactly where Momo is coming from here and be supportive of his decision

[slim moat]

It's little deep. No side characters get that much mind play. Also Morgans is not that stupid. He is your typical breaking news hungry news paper guy.

[silk rain]

Do you guys think inu will beat jack? And if not do you guys think Luffy will beat him just like a blueno type moment?

[maiden lynx]

Final bounties prediction, all the Strawhats will pass the 1bil mark… except for Chopper. He will finally be recognized as more than a pet, but his bounty will stop at 999,999,999

[pure raven]

When will new episode air

[hazy frigate]

I wish that happens ..it will really show how powerful luffy is right now

[dusky crest]

who is inu again

and jack is the kaido person who wrecked mink elephant island right?

and blueno??? damn im forgetting a lot, cant help it tho one piece is long af

[maiden lynx]

The daytime duke of Zou

[dusky crest]

ohhhhh

they just said inu, and not his full thing

[quick linden]

how do u think that luffy will defeat kaido?

[junior cape]

punching him to death

lmao

[dusky crest]

obvi with conquerors haki covering and red hawk, maybe all of this while in gear 5

[short sun]

Ye I think gear 5 will come in wano also since there is no other way to defeat kaido. And oda confirmed gear 5 will happen

So it’d make sense for it to happen inside of wano

[maiden lynx]

Awaken his fruit, and use a Gum Gum Gatling of buildings.

[weary cliff]

Awakening comes later. Gear 5 is certainly on the table, though I'm skeptical. My money is on new gear 4 form

[dusky acorn]

That was merely him acknowledging he knows of the popular fan prediction's existence for Gear 5 at best. Not confirmation for it to actually occur, especially since it was brushed off as a joke

[weary cliff]

Pretty sure he's never spontaneously made a new gear. Even 2/3 he had downtime between getting stomped by CP9 and arriving at Enies lobby to conceptually develop them. Since figuring out cocting, Luffy has mostly been unconscious or stuffing himself. It would be a lot for him to make a whole new application for his fruit in that time

[bronze palm]

Hoping for more Robin’s flashback

[short sun]

Thanks for correcting me

[sacred hawk]

You what I think would be cool. If Killer somehow manages to activate his latent SMILE powers and it's a killer mantis

[limpid sequoia]

[pure raven]

@opal barn to be honest I think shanks is evil and. The true one piece is black beard and also sengoku is evil and also chopper sucks

[opal barn]

He makes a good point

Do you think shanks is evil

[pure raven]

Umm no

[opal barn]

Kung fu dugong headass

[pure raven]

🦭

[opal barn]

🥺

[pure raven]

you have to be someone else im@already dugong

[limpid holly]

bruh if the one Celestial Dragon that Roger and Garp protect end up being Shanks's mom while being pregnant, and the unborn baby is Shanks, it would be sick, because there was already speculation that Shanks is Celestial Dragon or at least was

[opal barn]

Is that blakcbeard

[pure raven]

Facts nameless traveler I see no@lies

[opal barn]

Alright listen here nameless traveler

That makes sense he talked with the gorosei maybe idk

[pure raven]

no one asked you

[opal barn]

Any manga theories female fan

[pure raven]

yeah listen up I got one

[opal barn]

👂

[pure raven]

ummm I think that boa Hancock is actually gaimon because they are both very beautiful and the only person that could really pull off that classic gaimon look is Hancock

And also luffy will die

[opal barn]

Listen all Im saying is

There’s gotta be AT THE VERY MINIMUM 10more years of serialization

[pure raven]

why

[opal barn]

Let me count the ways

[pure raven]

Alright let me hear it

[opal barn]

I’m on slow mode it will take me a while

[amber oar]

Not meme theories here for god's sake

Also the whole channel is in slow mode for that very same reason

[pure raven]

Maybe you shiuld@be quiet

[opal barn]

Sorry jugol but actually though I’m serious 10 more years

[pure raven]

Yeah me too no jokes on jah

alright anyways let me hear your theory on 10 years I’m interested

•••

[opal barn]

im
Gorosei
Noah
Green bull
Celestial dragons
Marine downfall or whatever
What was doflamingo talking about in impel down
Giant straw hat
Blackbeard he’ll probably have a whole ass saga
Shanks return
Elbaf
Lodestar
Vegapunk
Poneglyphs
Void century
Is skypiea a filler arc or nah
Treasure trees
All blue
Possible devil fruit origins
Nika
Joy boy
Laugh tale
Rocks
Revolutionaries
The rest of the supernovas
CP0
SWORD
The planetary weapons

@pure raven am I missing anything

[pure raven]

yeah will chopper ever be useful

That’s what I really want to know

[opal barn]

And I better get my damn pizza too

[pure raven]

life could be a dream

[opal barn]

He will I’m actually friends with oda he told me chopper gets an ultra powerup

[pure raven]

What’s the power up you think

[opal barn]

He eats a reindeer zoan

[pure raven]

He’s got 3 people in him like Blackbeard?

[opal barn]

Umm actually 6 or 7 I’m not sure also there’s monster point to account for

[pure raven]

yeah each monster point is 1 person

Listen to this theory I came up with though

[opal barn]

Is it the gaimon one

[pure raven]

There’s gotta be AT THE VERY MINIMUM 10more years of serialization

[opal barn]

I agree

[pure raven]

actually I changed my mind not 10 years

[grizzled fog]

10 years is far too much lol

[pure raven]

That’s what I’m sayin

[opal barn]

Did you see the list

[pure raven]

Many of those mysteries can be solved in a few arcs maybe less

[grizzled fog]

Yes I did. You really underestimate how many things can be tied up in just a few chapters.

[opal barn]

Fair enough

[amber oar]

dedicate 7 separate chapters to each of those topics and you have 196 chapters which is close to the rough estimate (180-200) at this moment

Of course, most chapters won't cover one single of those, but several at once.

[pure raven]

He just took you to town cm

[amber oar]

Ever since the timeskip, Oda and his editors have given rough percentage estimates and they consistently point to a total count of 1200 give or take

at the current schedule Oda is releasing around 37 chapters a year. Which means 200 chapters will take a bit above 5 years.

[pure raven]

Why

[opal barn]

why

[latent zodiac]

What if moria has ace and WB's Body?

we dont know that

[pure raven]

I doubt gecko Moria would be very important again

[latent zodiac]

If they were a shichibukai at any point i still think they are important

He did run into BB last we saw

That's the thing...

'we don't know

[grizzled fog]

Most likely he’s been forced to join Bb’s crew

[opal barn]

Yeah

[pure raven]

yeah idiot

[opal barn]

☹️

[pure raven]

Who thinks carrot will join the crew

[opal barn]

Facts marrn

[pure raven]

carrot will join the crew

That’s what I’m sayin

[opal barn]

I will admit she has had some significance but I mean no

[pure raven]

why

[supple anchor]

nah i think carrot gonna make her own mink's pirate crew and be an ally

[pure raven]

On jah

[supple anchor]

yamato is bad too, and he horny all the time 😏

[pure raven]

carrot is cooler

[supple anchor]

he/she, i think either one works for yamato for now

[pure raven]

I’ll go with the advanced technique where I go all sides

Luffy will never find the one piece

[dusky acorn]

Can you guys stop shitposting here

[compact glade]

The one piece is one huge meat

[dusky acorn]

This is for theories, not describing your lust for characters

[pure raven]

shitpost this ratio

I’ll say it loud and proud all day

[opal barn]

guys what if rogar is actually alive and guarding one piece??

[pure raven]

that makes sense

[supple anchor]

no...no it doesnt

[pure raven]

Yes it does bro think@about it

[supple anchor]

in what way does it make sense?

[pure raven]

uhhhhhhhh

give me a sec

[opal barn]

Also it was a ummm joke

[waxen dust]

has to be the same person trolling with two accounts

[pastel summit]

I don't think it was a joke, I think you just lack the braincells to put together a theory that a 5 year old couldn't disprove.

[pure raven]

Damn

[pure raven]

So I have been thinking about this ,this fight against kaido is coming to end so after kaido is defeated what will happen to big mom will she run away 🤔 or will she be defeated with kaido

[junior cape]

Maybe we'll fulfill the Katakuri plot and go back to Totto Land to finish things

Though, I think it'd be better if she bites it in Wano

Really fuck with CP-0 and the government

Remember, the SECOND that Kaido and Big Mom fall, a massive power vacuum spawns in the New World. All that turf, all those soldiers, all of it loses a ruler

And new forces rise to fight it out within

[pure raven]

@junior cape Dude I want to know about the ending of big mom in wano not the aftermath

[junior cape]

they're intrinsically linked

even if big mom doesn't fall in wano, there's still a massive power vacuum in the new world

and she will have to deal with that

plus it's fun to speculate

as for what might happen in wano, kidd and law may actually kill her

[pure raven]

@junior cape Well that's why she have a one hell of a crew to deal with it

[junior cape]

Even amongst the crew there would be infighting. Perospero expressed interest in taking over should she fall, but others said Katakuri should take over.

There would be a civil war in the crew and Totto Land would not survive it

[pure raven]

As far as killing I don't think they can kill her that easy,law is only one whose abilities may deal damage to big mom and about kidd he already got his ass spanked by her once

[junior cape]

nah Kidd is built different than the rest of them. he'll figure out some way to deal damage to her

[grizzled fog]

It’s pretty obvious they’re both going to be dealing damage to her in this fight, no reason for this fight to be set up if he’s incapable lol, plus we saw on the roof he’s capable of hurting a yonko. And when did he get “spanked” by her?

[junior cape]

Kidd is smart. You don't get labelled as worth over 500 Million berries without being smart. VERY few idiots are worth more than that, and almost none of them last very long. If Kidd couldn't damage Big Mom, he wouldn't be here.

[pure raven]

I am sure Brulee told us in WCI arc

[grizzled fog]

Kid never lost to her. He went into her territory, injured a commander, stole something and left.

[junior cape]

Look at Enel. Oda once said that if he descended to the blue sea, and got a bounty as a pirate, he would be around 500 Million on powers ALONE. However, Enel is also an idiot, who strongly relies on observation haki alone to give him an edge in his fights. He never thought he would lose because he never ran into anyone that could stop him before. If Enel were to go up against Big Mom, yes he may do some damage, but he would almost immediately be shut down completely.

Kidd is not Enel

Kidd got where he was through skill and intelligence, as well as killing those who got in his way. Kidd can win this fight with Law.

[grizzled fog]

@pure raven

[junior cape]

Anyways, I expect in the next 2 chapters, Zoro will get up and pick a fight with someone.

[pure raven]

@grizzled fog and @junior cape I agree what u r saying but the thing marco said somewhere in ch about big mom being scary and the impression she had given me from WCI till wano send chills to my spine so that's why I think she is somewhat scary than kaido (due to the screen time she had got , kaido only one shot his opponent even in wano flashback kaido's fight against moria didn't had much of a hype I personally wanted to see kaido beating shit out of moria even in his fight against oden was somewhat lacking )

[grizzled fog]

okay

[junior cape]

k

[pure raven]

😅

[hollow viper]

Funny how Kid just left Kaido despite talking a lot of shit

All that trauma, all that talk of revenge for his crew

Then he just went to BM

[limpid sequoia]

Oda forgot about that I guess just another Lid moment

[pure raven]

Well he also said that facing both of them together is disaster

[junior cape]

Yeah. It was a spur of the moment decision. Kidd weighed his options and realized that he had a better chance of killing Big Mom. Plus, he still gets his revenge when Kaido bites it.

[ancient vault]

I dont think morgans would be stupid for falling for that. Theres no way he could know wapol and the WG madr an angreement/plan to trick him.

[pure raven]

Well we cannot argue on it since we did not get to see what wapol had ,wapol as character is someone like a selfish jerk who thinks about himself only and about his connections with WG r not clear so it is just 50-50 situation

[junior cape]

wapol is like Jeff Bezos, but less competent at running things

He's clever, conniving, and greedy as all hell, but when it comes to running a country, he's completely incompetent

Morgans is a scrooge, but he is a journalist first and foremost

[pure raven]

That's what I said

[grizzled fog]

It’s not that he thought he had a better chance of killing Big mom. The chances of that are worse actually lol. But kid recognized that to win this fight both yonko had to fall. He was willing to put his personal vendetta aside for a moment and do what gave them the greatest odds of victory

[pure raven]

[junior cape]

Alright I said Kidd was smart, but I don't think he's that smart lol.

[grizzled fog]

It’s not like that’s some gigabrain decision lol

[slim moat]

You up for another round of levely analysis? I don't know if you are okay with another day same discussion.

[pure raven]

More like instinct

[slim moat]

My revised timeline is some thing like this,

Day 4:
RA attacks WG and try to capture Kuma. Admirals fight them. This news is already published.

Day 7 and After:

Garp tells Shrirahoshi and Neptune about something that happened regarding Alabasta kingdom after last day of Reverie.

Morgans gets reports about a fatality, vote results and an attempted murder. Wapol leak

News Paper: Kings' vote and resulting incidents. An incident government tried to cover up.

Sabo related news.

Blackbeard saying - Why let the Navy reap the reward when I stand to gain from this?

Koby talking with Drake. He is on the way to capture Hancock. This happened 2 days after reverie ended.

Dissolution of Shichibukai systems. Marines on the way to capture Buggy, Mihawk and Weevil.

Fujitora and Akainu call.

[junior cape]

Counterpoint, Morgans is just a good journalist who knows what will move papers from years of experience. The events of the reverie are all things he would love to cover, he just puts what's most volatile first

which is why he did the double-front-page thing in that cutaway scene

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

What if the news given by wapol was regarding ancient wepon and Morgan's is also part of one piece underworld so he decided to sell the news and after gettin the leak or news BB is on its way to get it before marins get it

I know it is absurd theory but what if this is the case

[junior cape]

Then well get there when we get there

[slim moat]

It's not about ancient weapon. WG monitors them. If Wapol got news/leak on that, they would kill him. Also Ancient Weapon is not public knowledge. You can only find it through poneglyphs.

Navy is after something. BB wants to get it before them.

[pure raven]

What make u think WG monitor them, if WG did monitor them then water7 arc make no sense

[slim moat]

They seem to be killing anyone who goes after them. Ancient Kingdom. Ancient Weapons. Stuff

[pure raven]

It can make sense when u add ancient wepon or replace something with ancient wepon ,and it make more sense when navy is after it because they r part of WG and WG won't stay still in situation like this

[pure raven]

U know what leak means right and leaks always happens below people's noses 👃 who r protecting leaks if u don't know who did it who will u kill

[slim moat]

It's Wapol we are talking about here. If he got news about ancient weapon, he would be doing something more beneficial to him. Like selling it for money and stuff.

My guess is, some one stole something from WG, Navy is chasing them. Blackbeard wants to get it for himself.

[ancient vault]

Read my wapol theory

[ancient vault]

im at work got nothing to do so lets go

[ancient vault]

Its not day 7. Its 1 week after day 7

[pure raven]

If he sell ancient wepon whome will he sell is there someone in top of food chain( selling it can also be dangerous for him)but wapol is a crafty person so he decides to leak info to certain persons who is also connected to underworld and is also clever therefore, playing safe and gaining profit

[slim moat]

Alabasta incident happened right after day7. News paper published the events sometime after that. I put everything after Day 7 in one list.

[pure raven]

Ok it can be leak of anything I am not saying that it is ancient wepon specifically but to make it interesting I said ancientwepon.it can be certain invention of dr vegapunk or maybe a thing (metal ore) revolutionary army is after

[slim moat]

How will he get profit by leaking the info? Once you leak the stuff, it's done deal. Ancient weapons are something big.

[pure raven]

If we think that the whole thing happened in underworld, then In one piece underworld people never revel their identity while having deals ex. Punk hazard and stuff ,so in similar manner wapol have done it while gaining profit by selling news

[ancient vault]

nah it happened one week after. Unless garp got the info 1 week later which I doubt

There was also no reason for neptune to go home earlier than the other kings

[slim moat]

He is living right under Marijoa. He just have to take the lift.

Also Coby and Drake call happened right after Big Mom and Kaido formed alliance. That was at least 6 days before the raid. 1 or 2 days after Levely ended.

[slim moat]

That's the thing, right? Wapol sells the best metal in the world. He will be at center of it if the leak is about Ancient Weapon. He already knows many big figures through business. He doesn't need Morgans to sell info about warship. Assuming it's about Pluton.

I still think it's about some WG item stolen by some dude. Navy is chasing that dude. Blackbeard also going after that dude. Wapol leak might be about something else.

[pure raven]

Well he need Morgan's to hide his identity from others so that he can play safe

[slim moat]

It's not single incident. Bunch of incidents happened one after another.

[pure raven]

So who can be your mystery dude since revolutionary team got captured ig ,kings won't do it they don't wanna die ,bonny have some ulterior motives was that dude stelly jk

[slim moat]

We need more clues. I have few guesses for the item. It might be some devil fruit.

[pure raven]

Df it can be but what type of

[slim moat]

Some thing that can tempt BB. Not just devil fruit. It might be some technology. Or rare item.

[pure raven]

Technology I don't think so
It can be df since he was collecting them

[exotic cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzqDJBeI9Q

[ancient vault]

what lift?

[slim moat]

Bondolas

[ancient vault]

he went home at the same time

We see stelly still on his way home while neptune is home already. But stelly went home 1 week later

just like neptune most likely

[slim moat]

Stelly might take one week. But FMI is right under holyland.

[ancient vault]

thats wgy hes still on the sea not home

[slim moat]

He might have went home right after 7th day

[slim moat]

Yeah. But Neptune reached home way early than these guys.

[ancient vault]

they did it at the same time. There was no timeskip in the chapter I believe

Theres no reason to believe neptune goes home earlier than anyone else

especially if he lives so nearby he doesnt want to hurry

[slim moat]

He got the report while on ship.

"Following the close of the levely, something happened just after we left. I got the report while on the ship."

Also Cobi and Drake talked to each other some 6 days before the raid. That was 1 or 2 days after the levely ended.

[ancient vault]

Yes they just arrived

[ancient vault]

where did u get the 6 days from

They just arrived look. This is all approxiametly 1 week after the reverie

[slim moat]

Wano timeline. Drake is spy, He informed Navy about alliance right after it was formed.