#manga-theories

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plush pike
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Seems legit

hazy frigate
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Yeahhh ..checks out

reef grotto
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are there theories about the floran triangle?

plush pike
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I hope Oda never reveals what they are. But he might.

hazy frigate
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@reef grotto Yesss ..imu is one of them ...but he was treated as a dwarf and cast outside ..

waxen dust
hollow grotto
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There might be some vague explanation regarding its existance but I love that OP doesn't answer everything that doesn't need an answer

reef grotto
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what are some theories that a lot of people believed in in the past that turned out to be false?

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the wilder the better

hazy frigate
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People thought zoro has some kind of hidden power behind his eye ..

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Some have said mihawk is im

reef grotto
opal sparrow
hazy frigate
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yeah people said Roger had devil fruit powers

grizzled fog
hazy frigate
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And people also thought shanks went to laugh tale ..for sure

reef grotto
opal sparrow
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Under zoro left eye is ashura

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Or some demon

reef grotto
hazy frigate
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See there is one believer of that theory here

amber oar
reef grotto
reef grotto
amber oar
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it's not confirmed, we haven't seen him swimming
but we haven't seen him using it in combat, so unless he had something useless in battle like kin's df (which I highly doubt), I don't see him having one

reef grotto
waxen dust
hazy frigate
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Fair enough

reef grotto
reef grotto
reef grotto
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how did they support it?

grizzled fog
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Dunno really. He was blond and people figured Sanji had some high status connections. Could probably dig up a theory on Reddit if you look

hazy frigate
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I don't remember the zoro one but you can search for it on youtube ..but mihawk was bcoz of the pupils ..

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Shanks went to laugh tale one was supported due to the fact he was on Roger's ship

wheat summit
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Why we didnt see zoro's flashback and ancestry during wano arc?

reef grotto
ember trench
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Sanji being royalty was a crack theory for a while and they just connected it to the only blonde guy of any importance they knew

reef grotto
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I was wondering if there were any from like before the timeskip, since it's been a loooong time since I've first seen someone call sanji a noble

grizzled fog
waxen dust
ember trench
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Anything else to do with Zoro’s ancestry will be after the battle

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Oda’s already teased something so it’s coming, whatever it is

reef grotto
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uh now that I think about it zoro's ancestry might play a role in zoro getting kitetsu 2

ember trench
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He won’t get Nidai

reef grotto
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maybe someone in his family is closely related to the guy who made kitetsu 2

ember trench
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Already has sandai

reef grotto
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well, nidai is better

ember trench
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Not really

wheat summit
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I think that one of zoros katana will turn into a black sword possibly enma

reef grotto
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uh, yes it is

ember trench
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Grades don’t matter all that much

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He’ll make sandai a black blade instead

reef grotto
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they do though, the only reason wado ichimonji didn't break was that it's a high grade for example

ember trench
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They don’t matter within the grades themselves

waxen dust
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Zoro will likely get Nidai, no sense of introducing it and teasing Zoro wielding it if he never gonna get it

reef grotto
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^

ember trench
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Nothing says a supreme grade sword is “stronger” than a lower grade weapon

reef grotto
ember trench
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It was never teased that he would wield it. It was introduced just to hint at Hitetsu being a swordsmith and guardian of Enma.

wheat summit
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The strength of the sword is in users haki now

grizzled fog
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I mean it is stronger. We know this. It’s just not enough of a difference to really matter

waxen dust
ember trench
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He wanted to see it because he’s interested in swords

waxen dust
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Yea because he wanted to try it out lol

ember trench
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Nah

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He just wanted to see it

wheat summit
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We got shusui too i dont think its gone for good

waxen dust
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Zoro wanted to see it because he saw potential in it for himself. Zoro doesn’t go around picking up every sword he sees because he’s a fan. He’s not Tashigi lol

ember trench
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Also again no indication the swords of different grades are any more powerful than others. The grades have never been shown to matter much at all.

reef grotto
ember trench
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No, he just wanted to see it because he likes swords lol he didn’t want to take Nidai for himself

waxen dust
dusk sand
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Zoro looks at swords the way Sanji looks at women

waxen dust
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I’m pretty certain Zoro will break Sandai and have Nidai as the replacement. There was too much emphasis on the sword for it not to be used at some point

ember trench
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He won’t break sandai

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No point and there has hardly been any emphasis on Nidai at all after its reveal. It’s just not very important.

reef grotto
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zoro does like to have better swords, but oda hasn't put him into situations where he's faced with the choice of abandoning a weaker sword for a stronger one, at least not yet. From what we've seen, it's more likely that the sandai gets lost somehow (not broken), or that someone explicitly asks zoro to exchange swords.

hazy frigate
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Does anyone think Roger's sword will make a come back in the story ..

ember trench
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Nothing says Nidai is better than Sandai aside from a grade that means nothing lol

wheat summit
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Rogers sword is named Ace and is a supreme grade sword

reef grotto
ember trench
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Until sandai becomes a black blade

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And surpasses its predecessors

hazy frigate
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Yeah I don't think zoro is gonna give up on sandai

reef grotto
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considering enma is a great grade blade and is gonna become black, I doubt we're gonna see skillfull grade blades become black. I do see the kitetsu 2 becoming black and surpassing kitetsu 1, though, that's true

ember trench
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Any sword can become a black blade

wheat summit
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Breaking a sword means that zoros haki is weak

ember trench
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They don’t even need to be graded.

wheat summit
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Now everything is a haki battle the strongest haki wins

reef grotto
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sure, but a low level blade becoming black will feel weaker than a great grade, especially since we've already been teased about the other great grade blade

ember trench
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Not really. Black blades are the best in the world period.

reef grotto
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not at all, shusui wasn't even better than enma most likely

ember trench
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It was in terms of durability

reef grotto
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swords aren't just useful because of their durability lol

wheat summit
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Enma and shusui are comparable now but enma as a black sword is on another level

ember trench
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Durability is what matters when t comes to black swords

reef grotto
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definitely not, skilled swordsmen never break their swords period. From a certain point onwards, what matters is cutting power too

ember trench
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Enma as a black blade is the same as Shusui, plus the haki magnifying aspect

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Cutting power depends on the swordsman and their haki

reef grotto
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enma was highlighted for being particularly powerful, not resilient

ember trench
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Yeah it was also highlighted as not being a black blade yet

reef grotto
ember trench
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No the grade hasn’t had anything to do with cutting power

reef grotto
ember trench
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No, Enma will always be a great grade

reef grotto
wheat summit
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I think that black blades like whitebeards and rogers were bcs of the haki that turned them into black swords

ember trench
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A sword becoming black does not increase its grade. That’s a mistranslation.

wheat summit
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We dont know that for sure

reef grotto
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I don't think they could mistranslate that bad

ember trench
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It’s not confirmed that it does and we have zero indication that the grade isn’t fixed

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Hitetsu never told Zoro enma’s grade would increase if it became black

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He just told Zoro that it could become black depending on him

wheat summit
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But it indicated it will become better

ember trench
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Yes it becomes better by becoming a black blade lol

reef grotto
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I think it's very likely that turning the blade black gives you a higher ranked sword, otherwise zoro would end one piece without even a single supreme grade sword. And Wado Ichimonji in particular wouldn't be a supreme grade sword, which is ew

ember trench
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Black blades are the strongest blades period because theyll never nick or bresk

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I think it’s very unlikely because grades have never been shown to matter

wheat summit
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Enma would become a black blade bcs of oden but wado ichimonji would be zoros credit

ember trench
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Zoro will only have great and fine graded blades

reef grotto
ember trench
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No, grade hasn’t really stood out among swords in terms of power

reef grotto
ember trench
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He doesn’t need supreme graded swords to be the worlds strongest

reef grotto
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I'm gonna get the panel with tashigi, alright

ember trench
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I know the panel. Never is it said that swords have some power levels attached to them or whatever

wheat summit
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I dont think their swords were supreme grades always they got stronger battle after battle

reef grotto
wheat summit
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Going by this pace i think shanks's gryphon is a supreme grade too

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It seems it is confirmed

reef grotto
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where?

ember trench
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He won’t have any supreme graded blades because he will get the most out of what he has

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Two great grades (Wado and Enma) and one fine grade (Sandai). He’ll make all three black blades.

wheat summit
ember trench
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Any sword can become a black blade and it’s one of the highest accomplishments a swordsman can achieve

wheat summit
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I dont think swords are forged to be supreme grades

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What do you think about the sun god nika?

reef grotto
weary cliff
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All of the top level people with swords use supreme grade. Don't think that's a coincidence

reef grotto
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yea

weary cliff
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Why even introduce levels of meito if they don't mean anything?

visual merlin
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(I mean it's just 3 so far)

sand sail
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They do mean something, we're just at a point where that difference isn't going to show up. Most swords get coated in haki, the grade doesn't matter because the New World is a place where any blade can become a Supreme one if the user is powerful enough

ember trench
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Swords are forged to be supreme grade

reef grotto
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I hear this stuff about zoro being strong just through his own strength rather than strong swords but it really has never been a part of his character. On the contrary, he went out of his way to get strong swords, even risking a limb

sand sail
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That isn't the same as saying a graded sword just is the exact same as another, that'd be silly. But no gap is going to exist when the person using it themselves can make anything as strong as Yoru, for example

ember trench
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Any gap is negligible if you ask me

sand sail
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Zoro gets swords to make himself stronger

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It can't be negligible, otherwise there wouldn't be a ranking system for it. Two swords of the same rank would have a negligible gap if anything lol

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But there's not going to be anything big enough to tip the scales if one party can just use haki to back it up

reef grotto
ember trench
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And nah I didn’t say he was strong regardless of his swords lol. It’s just that he can make the most of what he has because it’s all he needs lol. You don’t need a supreme graded sword to be the world’s strongest when any sword can become a black blade regardless of grade.

sand sail
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^ That's the problem too

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Archer, I agree with what you said too, though it's not a problem lmao

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But that's the point, swords are made to be of differing quality. That's just a fact of smithing in general, it's inevitable

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@untold bough This is a no meme zone

wheat summit
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We can say the sword grade is a combination of good forge and strong haki

sand sail
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Haki has nothing to do with grades lol

ember trench
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There is a differing quality for sure. I just don’t agree with attributing power levels to swords based on their grade because I don’t think it works that way at all. Graded blades have unique characteristics that may be more or less powerful regardless of the grade. See Shusui and Enma which both have “personalities” of their own but the later is far more powerful and dangerous.

reef grotto
visual merlin
wheat summit
sand sail
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I would argue that those characteristics contribute to that grading as well though

visual merlin
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it's only 3 so far

sand sail
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But yeah, I totally agree that it's not about the sword, it's about the user

visual merlin
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so I wouldn't say "all"

sand sail
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That's also Mihawk's message to Zoro about using haki, and Zoro's master's message about swordsmanship in general

reef grotto
# visual merlin it's only 3 so far

it's not like we just know 3 people who have swords and are strong, there are others but they still haven't been confirmed to have a lower grade sword, and I doubt they will

wheat summit
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All supreme grade sword users are advance armament haki users and conqueror haki users (mihawk still not confirmed)

sand sail
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The fans put way too much stock on grades, and it's kind of Oda's fault for introducing them and basically never actually going into them at all, but the overall message of Zoro's progress has always been that he matters more than the sword ever does.

visual merlin
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Yes, Im saying it's only 3 people with supreme grade swords, so far.

sand sail
ember trench
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100% on the head about fans putting too much stock in grades

wheat summit
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Shanks roger whitebeard mihawk confirmed users

sand sail
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Yeh, sword grades aren't going to swing the way haki seems to like doing. And it honestly won't even ever really come down to it because haki is now a thing

ember trench
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Mihawk isn’t confirmed, Shanks doesn’t have a supreme sword as far as we know

reef grotto
ember trench
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Why should I consider that?

sand sail
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Shanks's grade is unknown yeh, which is kind of weird when we get Roger's and Whitebeard's at this point.

ember trench
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Why does he need three swords of the same grade if all three can become black?

sand sail
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Zoro isn't going to get 3 blades of the same grade

visual merlin
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why would they all be the same grade

reef grotto
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because it'd be lame otherwise, duh

visual merlin
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sand sail
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He's going to take 3 swords of 3 separate grades and make them equally powerful with his haki

ember trench
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So no reason then gotcha

sand sail
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As the series has been pretty much running face first into for a while lol

reef grotto
ember trench
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Yeah and they’re great grade

reef grotto
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so, do you think he's gonna drop enma?

sand sail
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Or he gets a better sword than either as a third

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Because let's be real, Enma may be the same grade, but it's better than Wado

ember trench
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Making Sandai black so it can surpass its higher-graded predecessors is a more Oda move

reef grotto
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and he even trained to be able to use

sand sail
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When did I say he'd drop Enma? lol

reef grotto
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so you're saying he'd drop wado lol?

sand sail
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Or, he'll drop Kitetsu?

reef grotto
sand sail
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I think you're misunderstanding here

wheat summit
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He just changed a sword it would be too soon to change one again

sand sail
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I'm saying if there's a third sword to be replaced, he'll drop Kitetsu for it, and it doesn't have to be the same grade as the others at all

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It could even be an actual Supreme Grade

reef grotto
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if he drops kitetsu 3 for another sword, it's not going to be lower than a great grade

sand sail
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The point is the grades aren't going to matter, because they'll all be as powerful as a Supreme sword and more because Zoro's using them

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No, it'll be higher lmao

ember trench
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His current set is final I’d say

sand sail
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^ More likely

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IF he has to swap, obviously it'll be Kitetsu, but there's no reason he couldn't get his best sword yet as the replacement

reef grotto
ember trench
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It’s not like Sandai is a weak link. It’s a perfectly good sword.

sand sail
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Especially since the trend is him getting progressively better and better blades

sand sail
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Zoro doesn't have to get either of those

reef grotto
sand sail
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Some people assume, sure

reef grotto
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unlikely and certainly end of series stuff

reef grotto
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besides, the guy is a samurai, so it'd make sense

ember trench
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We’ll probably see shodai but I imagine if it’s an opponent of Zoro’s he will have Sandai “surpass it” by becoming black

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Way cooler setup than just trading in Sandai for an arbitrary higher grade

sand sail
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And we don't know who or what he is, samurai does not fit

reef grotto
reef grotto
sand sail
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Both of these things are assumptions you are making tho

ember trench
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No it plays out way better with sandai lol

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Sandai being supposedly “inferior” to both of its predecessors

sand sail
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It honestly just makes more sense with Sandai

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'Cause he's had it for years

reef grotto
ember trench
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That too, he has abetted connection with sandai.

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Also, what lol.

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Sandai’s grade isn’t going to change

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The idea is Zoro forming such a close spiritual bond with his swords that they can surpass blades of supposedly higher craftsmanship.

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By becoming a black sword and being wielded by a superior swordsman

reef grotto
sand sail
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He had yubashiri for a few months

reef grotto
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I really doubt zoro will get sentimental over his sword because he spent a long time with it

sand sail
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And yes, Shusui was switched out, but Shusui also was never really Zoro's

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At least, as far as Wano was concerned. It's not like he was looking for some new sword, or came across a good replacement

reef grotto
sand sail
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And that's literally his whole thing with Wado

ember trench
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Anytime he loses a sword he has had for a long time there is a bit of a spiritual farewell as well. Hence him wanting to visit Ryuma’s grave. He doesn’t just trade them like baseball cards.

reef grotto
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wado is only important to zoro because it's kuina's sword, not because he spent a long time with it

ember trench
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It’s both

weary cliff
ember trench
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It’s Kuina’s sword and it’s his oldest partner

reef grotto
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"this sword is dead" and so on

sand sail
reef grotto
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well, it isn't an opinion that the gorosei is relevant

sand sail
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No, but it's an opinion that it leads him to maybe have a supreme grade sword

reef grotto
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sure, that's an opinion based on two, together very convincing, pieces of evidence

weary cliff
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Yeah, if anything the second point feel stronger. One of the 6 most important members of the WG being in the same club as yonko, PK, and WSS? Checks out

reef grotto
ember trench
sand sail
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Hell, Pirate King isn't even a relevant title, it's just hype lmao

weary cliff
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Strength is unknown, but they all have prestige

sand sail
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Prestige just isn't enough for it, by that logic we should call Napoleon a supreme grade too

reef grotto
ember trench
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Okay

weary cliff
sand sail
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Sure, but this is far from a confirmation. It's not even the same kind of katana, though they do have the same handle

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The bit about him being dressed as a samurai doesn't really make sense

ember trench
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Honestly I think it might be Shodai as well just because I’m not sure where else it would come up lol. Shouldn’t be taken for granted tho

sand sail
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The Celestial Dragons have no ties to Wano in that way, that'd be like one of them being dressed as a pirate

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Yeh, it'll probably end up being it

weary cliff
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More likely a status symbol to have something that rare than any significance to Wano, but we never know

reef grotto
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it'd be a bit strange though considering it's a hat most of the times

weary cliff
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We are getting to the point where it's clear not all 12 will get shown. Probably add Gryphon to the list and some giant like Loki's sword if that. If Napoleon was one, I think we'd have heard it by now

reef grotto
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among the strongest people there are already plenty of potential supreme grade wielders

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I wonder if napoleon is a sword homie or a hat homie

sand sail
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But thinking like that is basically just pointing at anyone who has a sword that doesn't look like a generic cutlass and calling it till we get told otherwise

reef grotto
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well, to me rayleigh's and shanks's swords do kinda look generic but I think they're likely to turn out to be supreme grades

weary cliff
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If Ace can make it, I don't see why not Gryphon

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Oh, if Rocks had a literal saber, then add that too

reef grotto
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We could already have
1 Yoru
2 WB's lance/whatever
3 Shank's sword
4 Roger's sword
5 Kitetsu 1
6 Rayleigh's sword
7 Fujitora's sword
8 Shylew's sword
9 Napoleon
10 Rox's sword
11/12 idk maybe Kaku got them as a promotion lmao

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just a guess

ember trench
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Most of those aren’t supreme

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We’ll never have a complete list of all the graded swords

reef grotto
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we just don't know if they are

ember trench
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Mihawk, Whitebeard, Roger, and Shodai

reef grotto
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imo after one piece ends this stuff will be revealed for sure

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no reason to keep it secret at that point

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oda will just say it in an interview

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I could see it being in one of the last SBS too

sand sail
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Rayleigh doesn't even have the same sword as he did with Roger

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It'd be weird if his current one is supreme grade

weary cliff
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Heavy doubt on pretty much all of those except for Shanks. We don't even know if Issho has a meito

reef grotto
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well just one of his swords needs to be supreme grade

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maybe he sold his supreme grade after he retired

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ah, I think tashigi will have a supreme grade sword for herself by the end of the series

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she might get shylew's somehow, if it's a supreme grade

ember trench
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Honestly I would prefer if most of them weren’t possessed by named characters

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Whitebeard and Roger are one thing because they’re gods

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But ever powerful guy in the new world happening to have a supreme sword is just too much

reef grotto
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it'd be fitting for tashigi to steal a supreme grade from an evil guy who's an ex marine, to sort of mirror smoker's struggle with justice and so on

ember trench
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She can take Shodai from old Gorosei man

weary cliff
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I would prefer if the majority belonged to legends and are lost to time

reef grotto
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he's literally dressed like a nazi lmao

ember trench
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She can take his sure

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After Zoro destroys him

reef grotto
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not to mention, considering sanji's probably gonna end up fighting him, tashigi might ask him to retrieve the sword

ember trench
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Uh

reef grotto
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I'm more on board with sanji vs shylew and zoro vs diamond burgess

ember trench
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Terrible matchups ngl

reef grotto
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invisibility fight and cutting diamond, wdym

ember trench
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It’s just a repeat of Mr. 1 and Absalom

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As much as I like the idea of Diamond Burgess I expect he’ll get something else

reef grotto
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well, sanji's fight would be different since he'd be invisible too, and zoro's fight would be the culmination of him being a great swordsman and cutting diamond

ember trench
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Meh

reef grotto
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it's very fitting for the end of the series for both of them to end it like this

modest skiff
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I can’t be the only one who sees Zoro’s current position as enough to cut diamonds

ember trench
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That sounds incredibly boring for some of their final fights in the series

modest skiff
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The whole idea of diamonds being some final feat doesn’t make sense since he could already do that

reef grotto
ember trench
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Zoro will probably fight Shiryu because of them both being swordsmen

reef grotto
modest skiff
reef grotto
ember trench
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Plus it’s just a repeat of older matchups they’ve both already had

reef grotto
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he's fought plenty of swordsmen, this'd be the first time where he'd just be concentrated on attacking I guess

ember trench
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What

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He’s always concentrated on attacking

reef grotto
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since the diamond diamond fruit makes you immobile in the diamond part

modest skiff
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Anarchist are you saying you don’t think zoro could cut diamonds right now?

reef grotto
ember trench
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So what un your scenario Burgess just stands there like a training dummy

reef grotto
ember trench
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We don’t know if Mihawk can cut Jozu

reef grotto
pure raven
modest skiff
ember trench
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His flying slashes also failed to cut Mr 1

fading thorn
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he doesnt know about the news of sabo

ember trench
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Then he immediately cut him later lol

reef grotto
ember trench
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He’ll fight Shiryu

pure raven
weary cliff
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Why not a 2v2?

reef grotto
weary cliff
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I would dig a Sanji Zoro team up for their final showing

reef grotto
pure raven
modest skiff
reef grotto
pure raven
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Diamond>marco

reef grotto
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I mean, zoro didn't cut trafalgar law's cuffs at dressrosa

pure raven
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Marco<garp<luffy<zoro so basically zoro claps diamond

ember trench
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He can’t cut seastone

weary cliff
modest skiff
reef grotto
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having someone who can actually cut seastone would be pretty badass by the eos, especially since they'd be fighting the marines afterwards who I assume have plenty of people locked in seastone handcuffs

modest skiff
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Wano wouldn’t be the only ones who can forge sea prism if it was as simple as diamonds

reef grotto
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uh, we've never seen anyone make any claim as to how hard diamond is in one piece

ember trench
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I don’t think Zoro needs to be able to literally cut anything

reef grotto
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it's fair to assume diamond is the hardest material, considering mr 1 told zoro "are you gonna cut even diamond?"

dusky crest
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But the greatest swordsman should be able to cut literally everything

modest skiff
ember trench
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Cutting Kaido might be the best feat he could hope to have in that regard

pure raven
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Diamond is probably really easy to cut and u guys are just reading into it to hard

reef grotto
pure raven
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Use diamond jozu and marienford cause we know that haki wasnt animated so jozu might of coated himself in haki and we never would of have know

reef grotto
modest skiff
pure raven
dusky crest
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well i think we can see zoro battling jozu and being able to cut diamond because remember back when zoro fought that guy in baroque works who was literally made of iron and after he clapped his cheeks the dude went something like "what are you gonna cut next?" and zoro was like diamond

reef grotto
dusky crest
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so i think the same kinda thing will happen with jozu

reef grotto
weary cliff
pure raven
reef grotto
pure raven
reef grotto
pure raven
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May i start a theory?

reef grotto
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sure, it's the theory channel

pure raven
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Okay so i belive that kizaru is the a celesital dragon

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And i have some proof on it that are slight reaches

reef grotto
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post everything

modest skiff
pure raven
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  1. Hes in the marines (which is obvious) but he is a high rank in the marines while he basically seems to do rarely anything but attack people at times
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  1. He shares features of celestial dragons i.e the nose and the hair all genetic
ember trench
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Uh

reef grotto
pure raven
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  1. He is a slow thinker which is common around celestial dragons due to the inbreedinf between them so its no suprise if he has any sort of mental disabilty
reef grotto
ember trench
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  1. is not true. He responded to Luffy punching a CD and rounded up many pirates in Sabaody to make up for his failure. As a vice admiral he was hunting slaves for the CDs. And we know the admirals are usually out hunting for powerful pirates even if we don’t see it.
reef grotto
pure raven
pure raven
reef grotto
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kuzan literally spent his time travelling by bike and sleeping

ember trench
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  1. also isn’t true because Kizaru’s features are unique. They’re based off of Japanese actor Kunie Tanaka.
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All admirals are based off of handsome Japanese actors

pure raven
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Kizaru is handsome ngl

pure raven
reef grotto
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he resigned lol

pure raven
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Ik but theres no doubt he was gonna get fired any time soon

reef grotto
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he was definitely not getting fired

ember trench
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Zero chance they ever fire Kuzan

reef grotto
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the gorosei even said he was an extremely important asset

ember trench
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One of the most powerful guys in the world and they fire him because he likes to ride his bike? What kinda take lol

pure raven
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He was already showing intreset to black beard in the war doe

reef grotto
pure raven
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he barley done anything for the war execpt stop the tsunami

ember trench
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He did plenty during the war

pure raven
ember trench
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He’d have never left the marines were it not for Sakazuki become fleet admiral either

hazy frigate
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He is trying to gain info on black beard

pure raven
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Wait this went from kizaru to aojiki

hazy frigate
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Kuzan only wants to know the right way ..like coby ..he knows even marines do shady work and that's why he is questioning his morals

ember trench
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Kuzan seems to have made up his mind about something extreme

hazy frigate
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He knows cd aren't whom the people should serve ..

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I think he came to a wrong conclusion ...and decided to join Blackbeard thinking he will bring down CD's

ember trench
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Might be something like that yeah

hazy frigate
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Or maybe he came to a right conclusion and decided to find out about blackbeard ..and his plans

ember trench
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I think he’s betting on Blackbeard at least - for now anyway

pure raven
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I feel like kizaru vs black beard will happen

hazy frigate
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Light vs dark ?

pure raven
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Just because we see so many opposites fight already fishman vs devil fruit users fire vs ice

hazy frigate
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Could be ..but kizaru really can't do much

pure raven
reef grotto
pure raven
pure raven
reef grotto
hazy frigate
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Yeah but black beard has alot of strong people on his team ..and if black beard without devil fruit could injure shanks ..then think what he could do to the Pikachu man

pure raven
reef grotto
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the problem with blackbeard killing kizaru is that someone from BB's crw would get kizaru's fruit then, and it'd be a bit boring

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also, I really want to see sanji vs kizaru

pure raven
hazy frigate
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I don't think that fight is gonna happen

reef grotto
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sabo is really strong

hazy frigate
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I think Burgess is strong but not the strongest in his team..

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And he is the one without devil fruit .. don't forget

pure raven
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Isnt it like how ben beckman is the second strongest as the right hand and so is zoro marco killer and bepo

hazy frigate
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And kuzan being on his team already shows Burgess isn't the strongest

reef grotto
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I don't really see how burgess could be stronger than sanjuan wolf but it's fair to assume him and shylew are the sanji and zoro of BB's crew

pure raven
reef grotto
hazy frigate
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Oh sorry

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But what about shilyu

reef grotto
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shylew fights sanji, burgess fights zoro with the diamond diamond fruit

hazy frigate
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Yeah you are right

reef grotto
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burgess and jozu really are built the same

hazy frigate
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Yepp ..they are and it would suit the fights as well for zoro to cut diamond and shylew getting beaten up by sanji for having the invincibility fruit

pure raven
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Isnt burgees in wano spying on the straws rn?

hazy frigate
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Nope

pure raven
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Eh i would still say that marineford luffy could beat pre df sabo

grizzled fog
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…..

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Ignoring that take. Burgess is not in wano

pure raven
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PRE DF PRE DF

visual merlin
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that doesn't help

pure raven
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i didnt say which age doe

visual merlin
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saying which age would probably help

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otherwise people will think you mean right before that fruit

pure raven
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Without difficulty

reef grotto
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if you say marineford luffy it sounds like you mean vs marineford sabo

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and marineford sabo should definitely be stronger than marineford luffy

visual merlin
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Luffy wins without difficulty

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is what you're saying

pure raven
visual merlin
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I see

pure raven
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U cant disagree because its true

visual merlin
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My day was good I don't want to ruin it when its almost over

pure raven
visual merlin
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very much so

pure raven
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Well uh im just estimating because i belive in luffys will to fight

reef grotto
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I actually wanna see this argument

weary cliff
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That's the same Luffy who beat Doffy. Definitely claps Sabo

visual merlin
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that is, if you think doffy claps sabo

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which

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I definitely do not think

reef grotto
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we don't have many ways to assess the strength of sabo in dressrosa

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he could definitely be stronger than luffy but he could also be weaker than doflamingo

weary cliff
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Just that he clowned on Burgess, who is supposed to be a big deal. And that Issho didn't immediately beat him

pure raven
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Fujitora dogged sabo and fujitora is weaker than doffy

visual merlin
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Was already the second strongest revo before the fruit, slapped burgess before and after the fruit, and did decent against Issho upon just getting the fruit. As well as that his technique was good

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I think sabo before the fruit is still stronger than doffy

reef grotto
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besides, if luffy fought alone he would've lost vs doflamingo, he only stayed alive because of the townsfolk and law

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Ah. So just bait

visual merlin
grizzled fog
visual merlin
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I've seen worse

pure raven
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And just to make u guys angry zoro could beat 'ace vs bb' bb

visual merlin
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well thats

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not a bad take

pure raven
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Zoro in the current manga

grizzled fog
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Current zoro? That’s by far the most reasonable thing you’ve said

visual merlin
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yea I'd agree with that

pure raven
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Oh ive argued with countless people over that-

modest skiff
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??????????

reef grotto
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well, ace at that time was supposed to be around commander level

modest skiff
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I don't think anyone says current Zoro couldn't beat Alabasta BB

visual merlin
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there are some people who highly rate yami yami BB

pure raven
reef grotto
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zoro right now looks like he could beat maybe king

visual merlin
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to be like, as strong or stronger than say katakuri

pure raven
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zoro rn strongest person he could beat rn is probo katakuri

reef grotto
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but ace's power level is kinda fucked throughout one piece iirc

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like he doesn't seem to have haki

visual merlin
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he's got a chance at beating some people I think are stronger than him including kata

grizzled fog
visual merlin
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but the strongest person I'd bet on him against is maybe uhhhh

pure raven
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Strongest person is definetily garp

visual merlin
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idk like ray? garp? boa?

grizzled fog
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Are you talking about zoro or BB laww

visual merlin
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zoro

pure raven
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Zoro

grizzled fog
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Ah

pure raven
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Zoro rn would clap boa its not even a debate

reef grotto
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we have no idea how strong boa is

visual merlin
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question

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is this you talking seriously or trolling

pure raven
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Zoro strongest person might be shanks yknow

visual merlin
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okay that answers it

grizzled fog
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Considering we don’t know how strong boa is, it’s absolutely a debate

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Oh. Thought so

modest skiff
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Current zoro is significantly faster than Alabasta BB. BB is only strong if he can dodge an attack or absorb or whatever. When someone kill him before he blinks, it doesn't matter

visual merlin
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Boa doesn't really need that to hurt you

pure raven
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Shanks has no good feats im sorry

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Biggest boa feat is in the movie

reef grotto
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boa could go from crocodile level weak to idk, 3rd commander level

visual merlin
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she could go higher than that

grizzled fog
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Her minimum is almost definitely above that, and she can totally be higher than that

visual merlin
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I think she's as strong as king, marco, zoro, etc personally

reef grotto
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well I guess she could go 1st commander

visual merlin
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but there is a very wide range of where she could be

pure raven
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Strongest person she could beat is probo doffy

reef grotto
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it's unlikely though, mihawk should be considered an exception in terms of strength in the warlords

visual merlin
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?

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Mihawk doesn't need to be considered that, and he would still be above boa anyway

grizzled fog
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Placing her around , maybe slightly above doffy is my best guess atm for boa

pure raven
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Marco would beat boa just because hes speed and defense he tanked a light speed kick

visual merlin
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Boa would be around most other warlords, just at the top (besides mihawk)

pure raven
visual merlin
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Kuma, Law, Doffy, Weevil, Jinbe potentially, they're all pretty high up there, all comparable to commanders at least

reef grotto
grizzled fog
visual merlin
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what does that mean for whether or not boa could be "1st commander level"

reef grotto
versed hamlet
visual merlin
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I mean

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I guess, but there's still plenty of them that around commanders

reef grotto
visual merlin
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it wouldn't be any weird if she's there too, just at the top of that\

reef grotto
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and there are more crocodiles than doflamingos

visual merlin
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list the "crocodiles"

reef grotto
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well okay now that I look at it again there aren't that many weak warlords

visual merlin
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uh huh

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most of them are comparable to commanders it seems

reef grotto
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doflamingo and law are weaker

visual merlin
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they aren't lmao

grizzled fog
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Is it not? Id consider BB, Boa, Doffy, Jinbe, Kuma, Mihawk, Law, and Weevil to all be comparable to commanders

visual merlin
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they're quite clearly comparable to commanders

grizzled fog
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Doffy and law???? You don’t even think they’re comparable to commanders?

visual merlin
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I thought you'd at least say like jinbe

reef grotto
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comparable, yes, but not stronger

visual merlin
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or weevil

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I didn't say stronger than commanders

reef grotto
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and jinbe is weaker than commanders I guess

visual merlin
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I said comparable in the message you just replied to

reef grotto
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I mean, doflamingo is about as strong as dressrosa luffy

visual merlin
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and I still don't know how you look at everything we've seen and still say law and doffy are weaker than commanders

visual merlin
pure raven
visual merlin
reef grotto
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yeah, comparable, sure, but in order to beat katakuri he had to power up

visual merlin
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yea?

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what about it

reef grotto
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I'm assuming doflamingo wouldn't power up

visual merlin
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the message you replied to stated that most were comparable to commanders

pure raven
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Power up is still them they dont change bodies-

visual merlin
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why are you arguing against something else

versed hamlet
visual merlin
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well anyway, most are very strong

reef grotto
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yeah I probably read that as just as strong or stronger idk

visual merlin
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Boa being at the top of them, with Mihawk in your words being the exception to it all

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sounds fine to me

reef grotto
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why do you consider boa to be at the top though

visual merlin
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Because I think her abilities are going to be that good

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Her power's really strong, has some good hype around her, a certain scene that could be an amazing showing of observation haki, and I would imagine she's got great haki

reef grotto
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which scene?

versed hamlet
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I feel like boa weevil and mihawk are the strongest warlords

visual merlin
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I won't be surprised if she's weaker than I think or anything but that's what I go with

visual merlin
versed hamlet
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Like out of all the warlords that have ever existed those are the 3 strongest ** (excluding blackbeard)

reef grotto
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if I have to go by average, considering I know almost nothing about her, she should be around law's level

rigid wadi
versed hamlet
visual merlin
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yes

versed hamlet
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Boa coo > admirals confirmed

reef grotto
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maybe boa has advanced observation just for luffy like sanji has for women

visual merlin
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maybe

reef grotto
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it looks like she's also closer to the sea in that panel compared to the admirals

visual merlin
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admirals were just over it iirc

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but anyway, that's the scene that could be a very good showing of CoO

reef grotto
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yeah it could be

rigid wadi
versed hamlet
visual merlin
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There's no way Jinbe is stronger than law, if you ask me

rigid wadi
versed hamlet
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Because i think the top 3 are mihawk boa and weevil excluding bb

grizzled fog
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Hopefully it’s coO. But I could totally see it being some wacky love sense thing where she just felt he was alive through the power of love

reef grotto
rigid wadi
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Oh true Weevil fuck, forgot

visual merlin
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if we're talking at the time of being warlords

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top 3 for me would be Mihawk, Boa, and Kuma/Doffy

versed hamlet
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Why do you think weevil is weaker than kuma or doffy

reef grotto
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they really did jinbe wrong smh

visual merlin
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whats wrong with jinbe Anarchist

rigid wadi
reef grotto
visual merlin
rigid wadi
reef grotto
visual merlin
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I don't see him appearing and being some major villain for Luffy like people thought 100+ chapters ago

visual merlin
grizzled fog
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He smashed a bunch of allied captains. No one truly impressive really

reef grotto
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besides, he's fighting a tobi roppo rn while he could've fought a third commander

visual merlin
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what if he just is weaker than jack

reef grotto
versed hamlet
# visual merlin because I don't think he's going to be that special, really

meh i feel like oda might put some extra significance for him in terms of the plot regarding blackbeard but obviously he wont be a major villain for luffy tho lolll, i just feel like if hes not near the same level as other commanders and the top warlords like mihawk and boa then he's mainly useless in the grand scheme of things

grizzled fog
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I do think weevil will be pretty strong, above most commanders honestly, but it’s hard to say

visual merlin
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he's stronger than those captains yes

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which

reef grotto
rigid wadi
visual merlin
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isn't much, compared to the characters we're talking about

grizzled fog
visual merlin
reef grotto
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ah wait a second, I thought the captains were like jozu, vista and so on

visual merlin
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and yea he is mainly useless in the grand scheme of things

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I don't think Oda is going to make him all that important

grizzled fog
visual merlin
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He's not going to be a major opponent for luffy, and if marco fights him he's going to win

versed hamlet
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I dont feel like kuma or doffy could do the same things weevil could do, especially to the allied captains. granted their abilities play a major part in that but i cant see them doing even similar actions

reef grotto
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yeah okay then jinbe might be stronger than him

visual merlin
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you don't think Doffy can beat an allied captain?

grizzled fog
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The allied captains are people like Lord Thunder Mc Guy or Squard

visual merlin
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it's not lie all 16 were lined up at one time

versed hamlet
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i dont think doffy could beat the same amount as weevil did oh

visual merlin
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Weevil just went around beating each one at different times

versed hamlet
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for some reason i took that event differently mb then

visual merlin
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oh did you both think the captains were like jozu

potent kelp
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If he's hunting them down and fighting them one on one, I dont see why Doffy or kuma couldnyt

reef grotto
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damn I really just thought weevil was stronger than jozu lmao

grizzled fog
#

I mean he could totally be

versed hamlet
reef grotto
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well he could still be technically

visual merlin
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just a misunderstanding, you're good

grizzled fog
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In fact I think he is personally

rigid wadi
#

Borsalino stated that Weevil was like a younger WB

reef grotto
grizzled fog
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Yea, problem is we don’t know how young

versed hamlet
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Whitebeard flashback young-pre rocks

scenic thicket
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we don’t know when he ate his fruit either

rigid wadi
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Fruit isn't that important as a strengh factor in some characters

scenic thicket
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it couldn’t be tht kaido and wb ate a fruit at gods island so maybe earlier?

rigid wadi
#

Look how everybody agrees of Mikhawk being the strongest Warlord xD

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Mikhawk is stated to Clash in the past with a current Yonko(Shanks) -> People have no doubts of his stregth

Weevil is stated to have like a past WB stregth lvl -> People dismiss his stregth

XD

visual merlin
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Weevil is very strong too

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but unless we're also meant to believe he's as strong as prime WB

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there is reason to question how far in the past kizaru meant

reef grotto
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I'm assuming it should be old enough that they'd remember him clearly

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now, unless he did something stupid like barge in at a marineford like war, he should be at least post timeskip luffy level

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uhm actually the admirals noticed luffy at enies lobby

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but still, pretty unusual stuff

grizzled fog
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I highly doubt kizaru was referring to prime Whitebeard , also doubt he meant like, Whitebeard as an infant or child. That would just be bizarre to use as a comparison

reef grotto
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this is kind of a weird comparison to make considering the fact that the strength level of the cp9 was really strange

warped isle
#

Y’all think luffy is nika?
(Photo from most recent anime ep)

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weary cliff
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The sun imagery around Luffy is pretty well established. It was also pretty obvious Luffy is Joyboy. Tying Joyboy and Nika just makes it all the more obvious

pure raven
#

WBDisgust

Hate it hope it isnt something like reincarnation or simial4

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I don't know why you guys state the obvious

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As a theory 😅

subtle trellis
pure raven
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Lol

subtle trellis
#

good emoji

reef grotto
#

it's probably gonna be inherited will

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and nika might just be joyboy

subtle trellis
#

Joyboy?the first devil fruit user?

placid dagger
#

Shanks will join the Straw Hat crew

rigid wadi
#

Pf yeah It really seems that Luffy is going to be a "the chosen one of the inherited will" Style. Hope It doesn't happen like in Naruto, that those kind of Things were the ones that destroyed the plot in the end

weary cliff
#

Other series comparisons aside, inherited will has always been a theme of one piece. It should come to no surprise if the story culminates with the ultimate expression of that. The latter half of the manga isn't even subtle about it. Joyboy prophecies are thrown in our faces. Just gotta trust Oda to deliver before crying "reincarnation bad"

dense wing
#

Yeah people are acting like this is new when Luffy being the chosen one has been a thing since.... FMI at worst?

junior cape
#

The way I see it, there are 3 major potential holders of the last Red Poneglyph, being Shanks, Blackbeard, and the WG.

dense wing
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Or it’s just hidden

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Specifically by the WB pirates

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In some way

queen arrow
junior cape
#

Maybe

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But Dogstrom specifically stated it was "lost"

dense wing
#

Marco having some clue of where the FMI Road Glyph went makes sense, especially if you take Doffy’s line of “WB stood in front of/guarded the throne” seriously

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To Inu and the minks yeah, they had no way of knowing

junior cape
#

Maybe. However, I think the three I mentioned are stronger contenders, as WB had no interest in the glyphs.

dense wing
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He had interest in who Roger is waiting for/who is next PK

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He was grooming Ace to be that person

junior cape
#

Idk about that

waxen dust
#

I say the last Road Poneglyph is gonna be at Lodestar, especially since their is a pun with Road and Lode. And Lodes have to do with magnetics and so do the log poses. Makes sense to have it on this island.

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And we don’t know if the Road Poneglyph was still in FMI once WB took control, it’s possible that the poneglyph was taken as soon as Roger died.

junior cape
#

Yeah

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However, I think the WG would take it to stop anyone from getting there - ever

waxen dust
#

Nah, WG wouldn’t have it. It makes most sense for someone in Roger’s crew to have it.

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WG wouldn’t dare go down to FMI, they never had all this time.

junior cape
#

There are three places I think they would put it. First, the holy land, where they keep all kinds of weird goodies. Second, new Marineford, where the world's military awaits. Third, another rogue island like Punk Hazard, where it's incredibly hard to get to.

waxen dust
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No, they wouldn’t go to FMI in the first place since they don’t have an established relationship with the Fishmen.

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It’s only starting this Reverie where the WG has recognized FMI as a nation. Every other time they were not interested in a relationship with them

sand sail
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No, they've been a nation for hundreds of years

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They've only just now gotten into Reverie in general

waxen dust
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Yeah that’s what I’m saying, only now they are recognized publicly

pastel summit
#

they've been recognized publicly for centuries. There are more kingdoms that exist in the WG than ones that go to reverie.

waxen dust
#

That’s not my point tho, I am stating until now FMI is being accepted as an ally to the rest of the world. FMI has always been a stand alone nation similar to like Wano until now

pastel summit
#

yeah but it hasn't

queen arrow
#

yeah FMI has been part of the WG for multiple years by now

junior cape
#

The reason they have a bad relationship with the WG is because THEYRE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GODDAMN SEA

queen arrow
#

they just weren't heard because they didn't go to the reverie

queen arrow
junior cape
#

Yep

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Plus, we now know that CP0 is used for a lot of covert ops, so they could send them down as civvies, and have them bring it up.

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The glyph, that is.

pastel summit
#

if WG wanted the glyphs, they've had 800 yrs to get them. they clearly don't want them for whatever reason.

junior cape
#

Remember, CP9 went undercover for 5 YEARS, insertion and counter intelligence is east for them.

sand sail
sand sail
pastel summit
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which is an extremely appropriate reason to want them, considering the lengths they go when people do manage to read them. which they wouldn't be able to do without the actual reference materal.

sand sail
#

That's a big thing, if they wanted any of the glyphs in general, the one on Ohara was a Rio glyph I believe. That was one of the important ones to take

pastel summit
#

I'd also assume WG knows what the Road Poneglyphs are used for. Seems like very accessible information

waxen dust
oak mural
sand sail
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The Rio glyph is a category

queen arrow
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i think the goverment benefits more from the glyphs being scattered around than they would from gathering them

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they can't destroy them, so gathering them would be putting all the eggs in one basket

modest skiff
# queen arrow i think the goverment benefits more from the glyphs being scattered around than ...

From my perspective, it appears likely there are certain glyphs that they may want completely and totally hidden. The informational glyphs seem to have varying levels of detail or purpose. Some glyphs are level 10 dank and others seem not as significant. It wouldn't surprise me if there are a couple glyphs that directly describe atrocities.

So then: Does the WG even have someone who can read glyphs? If they don't, they'd have no idea which to find. Which basically brings us back to the idea of: The WG is well served just letting the glyphs never be found. Kill anyone who talks about them, kill anyone who tried to read them, let the problem work itself out that way.

I lack evidence but I sure do have a hard time believing the entire WG has no method of reading glyphs.

queen arrow
#

the glyphs weren't written for the WG, they're all explicitly to keep this information out there no matter what the WG does, so it's believable that they wouldn't know the cypher

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the WG doesn't want any of this info to be out there since they erased the entire century from history

modest skiff
neon shoal
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Imagine nika the sun god was important person in “country”

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prime bluff
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I need next chapter

neon shoal
#

We all do we all do

modest skiff
neon shoal
crude ridge
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i mean, from what i can see of nikas silhouette
he seems pretty cheerful so it wouldn't be that far of a stretch imo

desert hatch
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have kaido and big mom been to road star? just wondering cuz how else would they know about joy boy and the road poneglyphs despite not being able to read them. also, big mom had her road poneglyph before roger made it to laugh tale which means she also knew about the one piece. so they must’ve made it there at some point. maybe as part of rocks crew?

modest skiff
desert hatch
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yea just trying to put pieces together, no theory yet, just wanted others opinions

junior cape
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Oda has woven a mighty web. Here's hoping he actually knows how to tie things off

desert hatch
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still don’t understand how there’s less than 5 years left

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that’s like 250 chapters max and there’s still so much

junior cape
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That's an estimate

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He said that 10 years ago too

wary crow
desert hatch
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didn’t his editors confirm too tho?

junior cape
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The story just doesn't work that way

desert hatch
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i mean word, i’m all for it being longer

junior cape
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Editors are editors. Oda is the beating heart of this op

wary crow
junior cape
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More like 20 years in

desert hatch
wary crow
junior cape
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Started in 97 I think

wary crow
modest skiff
# desert hatch yea just trying to put pieces together, no theory yet, just wanted others opinio...

If you don't mind me speaking beyond evidence: Xebec was a crazy, demented bastard who attracted people the same way BB does. No idea what that method is. But Xebec wasn't really loyal to his crew and he didn't feel like he owed them info. He found info on Joyboy/OnePiece on his own, perhaps by being able to read glyphs himself directly. Perhaps he was one of the people who studied on Robin's island.

So I think Xebec knew a bunch of stuff but tried to keep it from his crew. I think Kaido either tried to sneaky find info from Xebec or Xebec still told the crew SOME stuff. So I think that from only being given pieces of information, Kaido doesn't really know WHO joyboy is, he just knows that Joyboy is in some way associated with Wano. And he seems to know that Joyboy is extremely powerful. So I think he is hunting Joyboy for a tough opponent but also to interrogate. I think Kaido either wants to capture Joyboy or be killed by Joyboy.

junior cape
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Look, it'll be over when it's over, so we just have to stick around for the ride

desert hatch
modest skiff
desert hatch
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haha i’m just messin

wary crow
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I think Gomu Gomu no Mi is not special because it belonged to Xebec but something else. Because Whitebeard would have recognized the fruit during paramount war but he did not revealing that the fruit has nothing to do with Xebec

desert hatch
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i think most people are leaning towards it being joy boys fruit, although i hope not

modest skiff
desert hatch
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see that shit everywhere

wary crow
wary crow
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wary crow
junior cape
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Cant wait for yamato to show off his fruit powers

desert hatch
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only real threat i see for the fruit is if it’s awakened it can counter white beards fruit

wary crow
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or rather she

desert hatch
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modest skiff
# wary crow https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-mark-huh-what-confused-gif-4995479

Lets assume the ancient civilization had some ability to create invincible stuff similar to the glyphs. If there was something extremely important/valuable/powerful inside a glyph, that would mean the CDs have no way to access it. So maybe there is a door or box or something that is the same. So if we assume awakened gomu gomu turns stuff into rubber, perhaps you could make a door rubber in order to bend it and thus move past it

wary crow
modest skiff
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(grasping here)

desert hatch
junior cape
# wary crow or rather she

Also, no, Yamato refers to himself as male, and everyone calls him with male pronouns. Even Kaido calls him his "idiot son". Get it right.

wary crow
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M theory is the the awakening of the gomu gomu no mi allows the user to float on the water, eliminating the sinking issue, thus being something invincible

modest skiff
wary crow
junior cape
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Idgaf get it right or get tf out

wary crow
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wtf am I writing

desert hatch
modest skiff
junior cape
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We believe in Trans Rights in this house

wary crow
junior cape
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🏳️‍⚧️

modest skiff
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Why discuss trans issues when we can discuss one piece theories, just move on lol

wary crow
junior cape
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Lmao

wary crow
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yeah lmao

desert hatch
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dr. kureha also a possibility, she old af

junior cape
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Bruh UsoppLmfao UsoppLmfao UsoppLmfao UsoppLmfao

wary crow
desert hatch
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tru tru

junior cape
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Prime of her life, really

modest skiff
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Its really annoying how Kureha knows about will of D in like episode fucking 80

desert hatch
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lol

wary crow
desert hatch
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well we don’t know if she knows anything about it, but she recognizes it

wary crow
modest skiff
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I mean by even knowing "will" is anywhere remotely involved, she knows more than most

desert hatch
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tru

modest skiff
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If she even knows how people get the initial to begin with, huge success

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To me its hilarious that people don't know what a part of their name is and they don't even seem to know how it got there LOL. "I am monkey D luffy"

"what's the D?"

"I don't know and no one else does"

"?????"

desert hatch
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yea i don’t get it, why pass it on if nothing is known about, but i guess it’s just always been in the families so it’s kinda like just part of they’re last name than a middle bame

modest skiff
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Yeah i still think its weird we don't even know what they think it means. The fact that its entirely a blank spot is so funny

desert hatch
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yea, thought we would get a little insight in laws backstory when it was revealed he had it

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nope, just that it’s always been there

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switching topics, i saw this idea somewhere, not mine but it’s been out there a while. garp calls luffy ‘the kid of my kid’ and calls dragon, ‘luffys dad’ so did he marry into the family and luffys mom is garps daughter? just looking for opinions

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also could have been a translation issue too, but seems specific so it’s interesting

modest skiff
desert hatch
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i don’t think anybody who would actually know said that, if u find a source then by all means correct me but i think that was marines assuming after garp dropped the bomb

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it was garps words that i’m talking about, seems a roundabout way of calling dragon his son without actually saying it

modest skiff
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Another thing to your point is that historically, families of bad people haven't been treated well. Though I guess if Garp was famous prior to Dragon being a revolutionary, he wouldn't be punished

desert hatch
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he became a revolutionary after rogers death i think

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and garp was famous before then

grizzled fog
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modest skiff
desert hatch
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yea ik i’m just doing shit where u connect two unknowns just because they’re unknowns, but still interesting

ember trench
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It’s mainly Roger that was like that

modest skiff
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And it is the same situation with Dragon. Garp was 25 when Dragon was born, so Garp had plenty of time to build prestige prior to Dragon's career, so Garp wasn't punished when Dragon was a rev

desert hatch
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lots of people think shanks is the son of rox, nah i say dragon

grizzled fog
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Anyway here’s the reveal if you want to analyze it further. Doesn’t seem to imply anything odd to me at all

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modest skiff
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Thanks for the source Vemqi!

desert hatch
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yea thanks, see it’s just marines saying that, but he calls dragon “luffys dad” pretty sure somewhere else he says luffy is the kid of my kid, not son of my son

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i’m not saying i’m backing this idea up 100% i just like it and think it would be interesting

modest skiff
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So one thing that is funny about that: They don't actually confirm anything there. In fact, they almost make it easy to bamboozle us later. The navy dudes ASSUME that and then the scene continues. I honestly like this idea that Garp's daughter is Luffy's mom and Dragon is some other dude

desert hatch
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and i enjoy playing devils advocate when backing up ideas 😈

desert hatch
crude ridge
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what if imu sama is garps daughterUsoppSus

desert hatch
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sorry, i just don’t wouldn’t like there to be too much importance around it

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don’t want to watch another naruto

modest skiff
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If Garp's daughter was killed by pirates, it would explain why he has such rigid views and was able to justify letting Ace die

crude ridge
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Bruh, he wasn't happy when ace died

desert hatch
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yea maybe, and maybe that’s why dragon isn’t a pirate but a revolutionary?

modest skiff
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He wasn't happy, but he was willing to let it happen. That's a lot

desert hatch
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idk if that relates to aces death, luffy and garp see people for more than titles

crude ridge
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if sengoku hadn't held him down then he would've killed akainu

modest skiff
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I need to refresh my MF knowledge

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I am not qualified to disagree

crude ridge
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Also if dragon isnt garps biological son then why did take his wifes name?

modest skiff
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Maybe dedication to her after she died. (kind of grasping here)

desert hatch
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i said it earlier, this is a real reach tho so take it lightly, i was saying he could be rocks son and that kinda infamy would be bad for him

crude ridge
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Nah i don't think so

desert hatch
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that hairdo tho

modest skiff
crude ridge
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toki is yamatos mom

desert hatch
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i already explained myself earlier, lol, just trying to take this idea as far as possible, playing devils advocate. ik i’m connecting two things just cuz they’re unknowns, but having fun with it

crude ridge
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Imo the theory really doesn't make any sense
if it was true oda would've dropped more hints about it

desert hatch
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i do think that it’s possible he’s not garps son

crude ridge
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well i don't

desert hatch
crude ridge
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ah ok

desert hatch
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had to explain that shit like 3 times 😅😅

crude ridge
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srry i kinda got here late

desert hatch
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all good

potent geyser
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Theory with no evidence has a name, we call it head canon weegee

And by we I mean me

desert hatch
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actually called a hypothesis, that’s why i was asking for what other people thought, i wanted a discussion

modest skiff
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yeah i think that with the limited info we have, that's basically all there is to it. Vemqi posted what I would consider the only info we have on the topic, unless anyone knows of other stuff to take info from

potent geyser
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Oh this wasn’t directed at you. I hadn’t read up to see what you said but will now

fervent eagle
potent geyser
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Oh I got far enough for the cursed Yamato discussion and could not read further

desert hatch
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😂😂

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yea that’s about when i wanted to switch topics

pure raven
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What ever he is his son or nor What's more important than all of this is the fact that garp and shanks are strong without devil fruit, this alone make me like them and respect them more than luffy 😶

desert hatch
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in fact, it was almost harder for him to get strong cuz he was so uncoordinated but then he got the hang of it and skyrocketed

pure raven
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But in fact that's why he lost against kaido, he rely too much on his devil fruit and he use it in a bad way, kaido said that its good that luffy mastered conqueror haki but his devil fruit technique left a lot to desire. So... So..

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By His " technique " kaido means the way luffy use his devil fruit is Maybe not the right way or the best way

desert hatch
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yea, he wouldn’t have gotten as far as he did against him without it, i’d say he’s stronger than shanks was at that age even if he didn’t have a devil fruit, this is head canon tho and there’s no way of knowing 😂

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actually shanks didn’t become an emperor for years so i’d say luffy is doin better than he was

pure raven
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It's not death canon, it's assumptions lol cause kaido said it very explicitly

desert hatch
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i was saying for me

modest skiff
pure raven
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That's what I'm saying more or less

desert hatch
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i personally think that if luffy and shanks where to fight at the same age and luffy didn’t have his devil fruit, he would still clap him

modest skiff
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I had the same thought but I couldn't think of what else gomu would be

desert hatch
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his haki is goin toe to toe with emperors and he’s only 19

pure raven
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I don't think at the level of shanks because to be able to rival 3 emperors each with a devil fruit that only means his level of mastering haki is way beyond them

desert hatch
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yea but shanks didn’t become an emperor till his 20s

modest skiff
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We don't know he still doesn't have a fruit

pure raven
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Shanks haki like garp is at a level beyond emperors

desert hatch
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and luffys at that level now, (almost, probably within in a year in-story)

modest skiff
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I like the idea that Shanks has some form of teleportation devil fruit

desert hatch
modest skiff
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how recently has he swam?

rare rose
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I had a thought maybe gomu gomu fruit enable to turn people and things into rubber. The whole time luffy only thought himself as rubber. Awakening would be extra buoyancy and elasticity

desert hatch
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12years ago…😅

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not saying ur wrong, but the fact that he doesn’t have one is kinda tied to his personality and strength

pure raven
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Look at this in theory luffy should produce electricity like he does with fire with friction

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desert hatch
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that’s why it’s lit his bounty is so high, cuz as far as we know he doesn’t have a devil fruit, so how is he so strong, then we find out about haki and we’re like, oh so he’s just a god at that then

pure raven
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If he stress his body enough mechanically he can do it

modest skiff
desert hatch
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lol if one piece actually followed that kinda of physics, he wouldn’t have won against enel

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rubber and shit to 10million volts

pure raven
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But the fact we got an Enel means potentially that luffy devils fruit is viewed in a scientific way so there is potential to his power with what science says too

modest skiff
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Would be funny if Enel's power didn't work on Luffy for some totally different reason but don't think so, I think Luffy is rubber but also has what i described

modest skiff
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We saw Enel flip the switch on the moon essentially. Perhaps Luffy's insulating abilities are helpful in order for a device to function without overloading

desert hatch
modest skiff
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If Luffy wrapped himself around an energy source like Enel, they could focus his energy essentially

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Rubber is hydrophobic, but that clearly hasn't meant much since Luffy is harmed by water

desert hatch
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rubber isnt even th most effective insulator

modest skiff
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depends on what the material is being used for, but I don't think we need to make this a materials science discussion

desert hatch
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lol i really don’t like talking about physics in anime, i’m a physics major and it’s tough when people choose which physics to allow and what not to and then have people try to bring actual physics into it. doesn’t work, authors use ideas for inspiration, doesn’t mean it works the same way, because it clearly doesn’t

pure raven
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It is but you just went beyond just normal science simple science lool

desert hatch
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my point is he uses ideas like ‘rubber is an insulator’ so lightning doesn’t affect it at all, like in pokémon, when electric type attacks don’t work in ground type, i say u gotta leave it at that and not try to bring the actual math in to predict shit, cuz it doesn’t work like that

pure raven
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No but the fact devil fruit are nature manifestation and when 2 devil hoarder fight they can antagonise each other abiding by physical laws, and the way luffy use his devil fruit its purely in a scientific way

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Like gear 2 it's him pumping his blood hearth to the extreme

desert hatch
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yea, ur proving my point, authors get inspired by stuff like that and incorporate it into their work, but u still cant say science this and science that, cuz it’s all fake and not possible at all soooooooo ur argument ends there.

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rather not go on about this, we both said what we want

pure raven
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Yes that why I sayed let's stick to basic science

desert hatch
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if physics did play a bigger part, fujitoras fruit would be broken and i would love to see that. as soon as it was introduced i was like, if oda really wanted to, based on its abilities, it would be the craziest fruit possible

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haha i was trying to kill time till spoilers released but i guess i’ll have to wait till later

rare rose
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You guys are thinking too hard. Its luffy you think he knows science? All his moves are based on two things. How to hit harder and faster.

solar knoll
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i think law of physics doesnt apply the same way in OP

opal portal
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why was bonney crying while watching the paramount war?

tiny forum
pure raven
hazy frigate
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@opal portal if you see the scene ..it's juxtaposed with charlos talking to his dad

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And oda is showing Bonnie's relation to kuma ....that its her dad

opal portal
prime bluff
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solar knoll
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one piece has already pretty much broken every real world natural law

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Healing bone via drinking milk?

zinc iris
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Real world logic fills any gap
What is on screen of course can overrule normal laws

solar knoll
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in that case yes

steep vigil
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Theory: Ace was on kaido's crew at some point

weary cliff
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But he wasn't

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Ace's pirate career is very well accounted for

steep vigil
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Kaido's right hand men are all names of playing cards, queen, jack, and king,

wispy kraken
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

steep vigil
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Tbh it might be a stretch though

weary cliff
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Would make for an interesting oneshot lol

runic osprey
# steep vigil Theory: Ace was on kaido's crew at some point

Actually good point Ace saw the bad condition of wano he would have definitely asked tama about who did it. And knowing Ace he would have took matters in his own hands and challenged Kaido maybe WB gave the order to not engage him in any way.

weary cliff
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That's pretty much how things happened, but what part of anty of that suggests he was a beast pirate?

steep vigil
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I just thought of what gear 5 could be

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If Luffy awakened his fruit he would basically just make a huge bounce world that way he takes no damage

mortal spire
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Diocane someone get the spoilers please

pure raven
toxic cypress
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i saw a theory where someone said luffy may even be able to control time due to his rubber ability and was very confused.

warm hollow
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You don't get it, he can bounce back in time like he bounces back in space

harsh hatch
runic osprey
weary cliff
runic osprey
pure raven
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To bounce back in time he should bounce back in space to the degree of light speed and the only one we know can do that in one piece is kisaru not luffy so it's joke theory lol 🤣 @warm hollow

pure raven
fringe tide
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How does rubber give you time control abilities?!?

toxic cypress
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let me see if i could find the theory

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it’s not exactly time control

modest skiff
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But for the record I don’t buy the time travel thing at all

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LOL gravity as a sheet of rubber are you kidding me with this stretch. @desert hatch would enjoy that

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I think that theory is overall very poor. It felt like the author tried to say certain things quickly and brush over it to give the illusion of evidence

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The one thing I do agree with is the idea that Oda is less afraid of science fiction than people think. Toki and Fujitora show he might do other similar powers.

As others have said, anime doesn’t need to obey physics, so I guess this is still possible, but it feels unlikely

toxic cypress
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I agree I agree

desert hatch
fading kraken
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Okay guys here is a short theory of mine .. let me know if someone has already said about it earlier

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so the thing is you can't die in ocean if you ate a devil fruit

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it only drains your power. Or why did they Navy just not make Kaido Submerge.

ancient vault
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You can die FujiLUL You drown

fading kraken
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Don't say that he has gills.

pale wedge
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He a fish?

ancient vault
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Hes not a fis hes a dragon

pale wedge
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It’s his devil fruit, he’s basically magikarp

ancient vault
fading kraken
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I think the ocean drains there power but not kill them... instead the ocean makes them land on a nearby island. Its like the ocean has it own will.

modest skiff
# fading kraken so the thing is you can't die in ocean if you ate a devil fruit

It seems heavily widely understood that people drown. Think about if someone with a DF drowns, someone can go get them to retrieve the body. This theory would only be slightly reasonable if we knew there was no way to recover the body of someone who drowns. No one would be concerned about going under water if they knew they just had to be rescued later, like Jack. But Jack is a fishman and that is why he was able to be under water

pale wedge
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Jack’s a fish man?