manga-theories

[pure raven]

I don’t think Shanks would steal an artificial devil fruit

[olive quail]

I was wondering why it was such a big deal they lost it, since as a df it isnt exactly desirable, and characters have messed up worse and gotten less of a punishment than whos who

[queen arrow]

why would they ship it out after making one, instead of trying to make more in the same place

[pure raven]

All devil fruits are valuable

[queen arrow]

an example being?

[olive quail]

Well after enies lobby Kaku and Lucci, despite failing and being chased by the WG, still managed to get a promotion to CP0. And I would definitely argue the loss of Enies Lobby and Pluton was much worse than the loss of the gomu gomu no mi

[queen arrow]

also why would the Gomu Gomu no Mi be in the book if it's completely new

[olive quail]

Is it in the book?

[queen arrow]

yes

it's how Shanks and his crew knew what it was

"The Gum-Gum Fruit had a picture in this book"

[olive quail]

Well that killed it

Lmao

[weary cliff]

That's not a great example since we don't know what would have happened if they had been caught. Or conversely if WW wouldn't have been able to pull a similar trick if he had similar circumstances. For all we know, Lucci strong armed his way back since the marines were desperate to recruit during the timeskip and normally would have had no chance

[lucid spindle]

who's who could still be an agent for the WG. maybe the arrest was just part of a plot to allow him to infiltrate kaidos crew

[queen arrow]

don't think so, since he declares emotional investment in this

[lucid spindle]

would explain how he broke out, unless the WG kept him somewhere other than impell down

[queen arrow]

and CP9 is not like the marines, where an agent would be public known and therefore need a fake story like that

[weary cliff]

I don't think so either, but that would be the deepest cover. It's not entirely implausible after what we saw at W7

[queen arrow]

they sent Crocodile to a different prison before transferring him to ID, and Croc had a chance to escape as well

[lucid spindle]

but kaido is a yonko, and apparently pretty well informed. its plausible he would know the agents, or at least some of the agents, in cp9

[queen arrow]

if Rob Lucci got up to Galley-La and his story was being a former government agent some eye brows would be raised

[weary cliff]

Right. To play devil's advocate, portraying himself as a disgruntled former WG agent would allow him to use his main fighting style, whereas he would be at a disadvantage if he had to hide his government training. And it makes him even less suspicious if he has clear reason to hate the WG

[queen arrow]

not necessarily, and that'd seem more suspicious anyway, and again he has already demonstrated emotional investment

[lucid spindle]

emotional investment could be part of his cover

[queen arrow]

so it's very unlikely that he's undercover for the government, and we know he didn't go to impel down

[lucid spindle]

would be a little weird if he didnt care or blame anyone for getting locked up

[queen arrow]

also, he helped blowing Drake's cover which would be weird for an government agent

[weary cliff]

How so? Isn't it more likely that he was there and that's part of why he's familiar with Jinbei over any other SH?

[queen arrow]

no?

he's familiar with Jinbe because he worked for the government when Jinbe was a warlord

[weary cliff]

Devil's advocate hat back on to say that CP probably doesn't care much for Sword

[lucid spindle]

would be interesting if he outted drake cause theyre part of competing factions in the WG. maybe one of them is pro aokiji and the other pro akainu

[queen arrow]

CP9 probably wouldn't blow the cover of a marine, he's CP9 not CP-0 so there's no "bad blood" between the organizations

[queen arrow]

there's also the fact that he escaped, and even if it was a cover up we'd hear about it in Impel Down like the other escapes we heard about

[weary cliff]

Unless he's CP-0 using CP9 as his cover

Honestly, with secret agents you never really can tell. I don't think there's anything more to WW than what we've seen but that would be neat

[weary cliff]

He could easily be among the level 6 prisoners that broke out during MF

[queen arrow]

no

[lucid spindle]

i wonder where WW was being kept. considering his reputation, why would they keep him somewhere other than impel down?

[queen arrow]

his story is old

[queen arrow]

read this

[weary cliff]

You're right, I just opened up the chapter to check

Definitely not Impel Down

[queen arrow]

in short there's little chance for him to be an undercover government agent

[weary cliff]

It would look pretty silly to make WW go through all of that just to spy on a yonko crew, when several other agents are casually invited to his mansion for this fight

[queen arrow]

Who's Who being undercover would also feel like just pulling a Drake 2, and it makes it very odd how passionate he was to get a better rank and his personal grudge against Luffy because it gives him bad memories

[pure raven]

how are they going to defeat kaido though and BM is still there too

I honestly am not sure

[weary cliff]

Luffy tries harder. BM will probably be held up by Law and Kid for a while, if not repelled

[lucid spindle]

im thinking it'll have something to do with the big mom pirates

theyve been absent the whole time other than pero spero. they have to do something lol

[little kelp]

What if luffy's fruit is somewhat important in a way like Law's? Law's fruit can make people immortal, so it might be simply the case that the Gomu-Gomu no Mi has a lurking ability that can be achieved through training (and not through some destiny stuff) that turns this actually average ability into a frightening weapon.

[whole jewel]

shush I'm writing my theory rn it's like an essay lol

[pure raven]

😂

[hazy ferry]

luffy's ultimately fruit ability is the ability to change his body so that it possesses the properties of of both rubber and gum

[whole jewel]

Here's my theory about the Gomu Gomu no mi:
In one piece we have seen various devil fruits and devil fruit awakenings. Some of these powers were like doflamingo and katakuri with their ability to change the surrounding area into their respective devil fruit power. Then we have the topic of others like chopper and luffy. I personally believe that the Monster Point and Gear 4 are forced Awakenings. Both forms have shown to be significantly more powerful than the original devil fruit powers and used the aid of either a drug or self inflicted. We know that both forms tax the user a great amount.
Why would their awakenings change their body rather than the terrain? Simple, devil fruit awakenings have classifications too. Much like logia, paramecia, and zoan there are multiple kinds of awakenings. So far there are those who change their terrain (the confirmed awakenings) and the ones I speculate to be forced that change the user's body. I don't think this it too new of a theory but I would like to incorporate info from more recent chapters into this theory.
Recently, with the fire festival in wano, it has been stated that Luffy's gear four looks like a guardian deity. I don't think this was just a metaphor, I believe it to have a literal meaning. The awakening of the gomu gomu no mi can transform into a guardian deity. This would explain the markings, the almost random strength boost, and the smog that we see. But this theory doesn't stop here. I don't think that gear four is just an awakening. It could very well be the ancient weapon Uranus. We have little to no information on this weapon but we can estimate that this is the case due to what is shown from the other weapons and their nature.
First off, the history of the names: Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus. Poseidon is the deity of the sea and earthquakes and goes by many other names like "leader of the nymphs." If you interpret this you can conclude that it directly relates to Shirahoshi's ability. Then we have Pluton, another name for Hades, deity or ruler of the underworld. Not much is known about the ancient weapon other than that it is a ship from the void century. I can only loosely say that it relates to the Styx and the ferry but again it's a bit of a stretch. But what interests me the most is Uranus, the personification or deity of heaven. Why do I bring this up? What does it have to do with Luffy's devil fruit? Well that's where gear four throws us for a loop. We see the clouds and smoke surround luffy in his gear. Yes it's a stretch but why do we see that specifically? Why has oda chosen to portray his gear in such a way? I believe this is the reason, the same reason why the world government wanted the fruit so much and why shanks wanted it as well.
Now my closing thoughts, this theory is a stretch. Nothing here is 100% or has enough evidence to confirm but it was fun to think about and put on paper. Will this be the real outcome? Probably not. I think it'll be a bit more complicated than this 😋. Was this idea original? As original as I could make it with all of the already existing one piece theories lol.

I hope as we get more info I can modify this theory and help expand it a bit better.

[queen arrow]

at least you acknowledge that it's a stretch

kudos for that tbh

[whole jewel]

It is lol

It's p much the same as saying oh something happened with both Luffy's and Uranus' family jewels so they're the same lmfao but I think it's a fun concept that I hope to explore further.

[pure raven]

holy shit dude thats long

[whole jewel]

oh yeah I think I left out a bit of info

[hazy ferry]

the idea of a fruit being an ancient weapon is definitely interesting though

[whole jewel]

Here's why I drew the conclusion and part of my supporting evidence:

I follow BDA a lot so when he brought up the point of the guardian deity I couldn't resist

[pure raven]

that could tie in with the theory of origin fruits, from which all other fruits came and maybe gomu gomu no mi is one of them.

[whole jewel]

it would explain why the land of wano has such a legend

[pure raven]

df take def inspiration from the forbidden fruit in the garden eden, that could mean that there is a tree or that there is one or more origin fruits

[whole jewel]

actually yeah

Gomu Gomu could be the original power of the one who guarded the fruits idk tho

[pure raven]

which translation is that? i read wisdom king instead of guardian deity

there is a theory of 5 wisdom kings and maybe there are 5 special devil fruits out there and gomu gomu is one of them

who knows really, but i like to theories, because oda takes inspiration from all over the world and history. most people say the forbidden fruit was just a test, but there are theories about it holding forbidden knowledge; power and freedom, possibly of god. which actually happened if you know about the origin story of the abrahamic religions. adam and eve are banned for eating it and lying about it. I think in one piece this is twisted to suit the story. That could also tie in with D. being the enemy of god (CD) and so on. One more thing, i think that them not being able to swim is mimicking the punishment of adam and eve, because the one piece world is mostly water. Its just a theory though.

5 wisdom kings originate from buddhism

[hazy ferry]

the guardian deity panel reminds me of the 2 nio guardians who are said to be guardians of japan, yknow, what wano is based off

[fathom lagoon]

guys, just a quick thought on what I saw on reddit. We know the commanders of BB are known as the 10 Titanic Commanders and we have the identity of 9/10. I guess the 10th is Aokiji. It would be fitting since the commanders are known as Titanic that they would be backstabbed by Aokiji who has the power of ice, like the Titanic sunk after hitting an iceberg. what do you think?

[pure raven]

that would be ironic

In an SBS:

D: Oda-sensei. Since Luffy is a Gomu Human, does that mean his "penis" can stretch, too?
O: His penis can stretch too.

the reason why the CD wanted the df.

[whole jewel]

Yeah that's def what G4 references

One piece is like a collage of different mythology mixed together, I'm loving it

But idk there are flaws with my theory because of Sengoku's df being Buddha lol

I feel that it is a paradox if Gomu Gomu is the ancient weapon uranus

[glacial kindle]

who's cd

[pure raven]

celestial dragons

[glacial kindle]

🤦‍♂️ shouldve known

[verbal yew]

What if the gomu gomu no mi was never a paramecie, but a logia. Like all Logia fruit users, the body becomes that element. It could had also VP very first hybrid (Paramecie/Logia) fruit. It was shown he was working perfecting artificial devil fruits.

[weary cliff]

What does a rubber logia emit? A stream of rubber bands?

[atomic arrow]

Luffy's awakening might be related to time.

[verbal yew]

Rubber is not a element, but it naturally made.

[weary cliff]

What I'm trying to illustrate is that it has no qualities of a logia. Luffy can't become intangible or make more rubber

[whole jewel]

it's called a special paramecia because he doesnt produce rubber and instead is just inately rubber

[weary cliff]

It doesn't even makes sense for a logia to be a solid. Every logia we see is either a fluid or energy/plasma related. Kuzan is the only weird one, but I'm not restarting that debate

[whole jewel]

evident when his power work underwater or in seastone

[whole jewel]

eh, diamond jozu might be one

[pure raven]

thats why i think its a special paramecia like katakuris df. the gomu gomu no mi has traits similar to zoans too, because of the gears that are almost like a hybrid form. And if his awakening is like doffys than it would have more similarities to logias with the whole changing the environment.

[whole jewel]

but that's on will not permanent

[pure raven]

U drunk?

[weary cliff]

My friend, that's just a regular paramecia. Categorically

[whole jewel]

? no

[weary cliff]

It's the same power as Jozu, but just always on

[whole jewel]

thats why it's a special paramecia

[weary cliff]

The only special paramecia we have is the mochi mochi

[pure raven]

the only special confirmed, but we can speculate.

[weary cliff]

There's simply nothing else we've seen like it. Aside from logias

[pure raven]

My question is this: how can we call any paramecia truly special? Are there any defining traits the paramecia class even has? The abilities are so diverse

Paramecia honestly just means: not Logia or Zoan

[whole jewel]

fr lol

[weak arrow]

Katakuri was first introduced as a logia. The volume release changed it to Special Paramecia. Thus, the most logical assumption is that special paramecia means that it acts as a logia in all but name, and the difference is that mochi is not an element.

[pure raven]

i would call the yami yami no mi a special logia too if you think about it

[weak arrow]

thus, katakuri is the only special paramecia in the series out of any paramecia shown

[verbal yew]

Good point.

[whole jewel]

Yeah it's a bit weird

Paramecia really means anything like turning people into toys lol

[amber oar]

Paramecia is pretty much "rest of the world"

[analog cobalt]

Paramecia just means any fruit that isn’t a logia or a zoan, right?

[pure raven]

We have paramecias that can control hormones to ones that can time travel. They’re literally anything

[verbal yew]

We all might be over thinking this. For all we know this might just be a neat little tie in to the beginning of the story. Lol

[waxen dust]

Logia = Elemental
Zoan = Animal
Paramecia = Super Human

[analog cobalt]

I mean not really?

[weary cliff]

Literally that. Paramecia just means super human. It's the catch-all category

[waxen dust]

In what sense?

[verbal yew]

Yeah people seem to underestimate the paramecia fruit.

[pure raven]

When I was a kid people used to say paramecia was the weakest class

[weary cliff]

It's too broad a category to generalize like that. Logia and mythical zoan are the big names for sure, but some paramecias are right up there with them

[hazy ferry]

I mean the thing is that with a logia youre basically guaranteed op-ness but with a paramecia its basicaally a gamble and you have as much as chance of being able to restructure and manipulate human bodies with no consequences as you do having to lay limp to the ground as you painstakingly persaude some poor soul to wear you

[weary cliff]

Thanks for reminding me of the body horror fruit

[pure raven]

mochi mochi is not a logia because its not an element, its special in the sense that it turnes the df users body into mochi, but he has a secondary power, unlike most paramecia type, it allows the user to create mochi aswell. What makes him seem even more of a logia is that he can freely control mochi even his body shape which is made of mochi + his awakening=op.

[hazy ferry]

yanno the jacket fruit could actually be really terrifying if its awakening is like, youre actually able to engulf someone and control their bodies against their will

[weary cliff]

And in what way does the gomu gomu and it's singular ability to turn the user into rubber make you compare it to that fruit?

You had mentioned gears, but that's not the fruit doing anything additional. They're just an extension of Luffy's body being made of rubber, and applying a specific stimulus to take advantage of that

[pure raven]

No other paramecia fruit can do the same, his gears are almost like zoan hybrid forms, which means he manipulates his body shape like katakuri too just in a different way. rubber cannot lose its form like mochi, but it can stretch. the mochi fruit cant copy this, while the gomu cant copy its almost logia type properties.

[weary cliff]

There's a key difference to gears and every other transformation. And that is with using gears, he isn't transforming at all. He's still just made of rubber, he's just doing something to himself to alter his body. Like blood doping or blowing air into his muscles. But when you're using a transformation fruit, the fruit itself is causing the change, not the user

[pure raven]

now you are contradicting yourself, because katakuri learned that ability himself he couldnt do it from the start.
If you think that katakuri didnt train himself to use the df to its max, think again. he too, is just changing his body shape, because he is constantly mochi the difference is how they do it. mochi lose shape; sticky and rubber inflates, stores energy etc.

[weary cliff]

That's not my point at all. Kata can morph his body, that's an established power granted by his fruit. Luffy's power is stretching. Yes, he can stretch in creative ways to make his body look different, but it's categorically separate from a zoan user transforming into something else entirely

Nothing about it resembles a special paramecia

[queen arrow]

if you want an example of another fruit similar to Luffy's look no further than Daz Bones' Dice-Dice Fruit

his body is made out of sword metal, and he can manipulate his shape a bit using those properties

[royal spruce]

lol i got a funny theory, what if a celestial dragon simply REALLY wanted to be made of rubber or have a funny rubber slave, and they threw a tantrum and jailed WW when he failed?

[pure raven]

its not the same he creates blades on his body while gomu df could be already considered special because its permanent even if you are unconcious

[pure raven]

or he wanted a long schlong

[queen arrow]

he doesn't create blades, his body is permanently "a blade"

[royal spruce]

Or submerged too

[royal spruce]

he can turn it on and off tho

[queen arrow]

he can change the shape, but nothing really indicates it turns on and off

[pure raven]

his body gets the characteristics of steel yes, but he must create the bladea

[weary cliff]

If anything, that's more "special" than the gomu gomu

[queen arrow]

^

[pure raven]

well not really pick up a sword and there you go same power and you can swim

[queen arrow]

good luck getting a drill arm

[queen arrow]

that's one of the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen btw, his power is not the same as just holding a sword

[pure raven]

😂

sry i had to

[queen arrow]

this channel is a no meme zone

[pure raven]

whats weird to me is that he can turn it of and on but imagine he couldnt

constant steel blade man

[queen arrow]

his "on/off" is basically like Luffy stretching himself

his body is constantly a blade, and he can just change shape a bit with it

totally normal paramecia stuff

[pure raven]

"normal"

[queen arrow]

normal paramecia stuff

[spare adder]

So on the panel showing the rocks pirates, could the one far to the bottom left be ryokugyu

[grizzled fog]

Thats shiki

[spare adder]

Wait no the right then

[grizzled fog]

On the right is Whitebeard…

[spare adder]

Ig i saw a mirrored image

Uh we looking at diff images

Nvm though i just remembered it was captain john

Or jack? Idk

[grizzled fog]

Don’t think we see Captain John in that image

[pastel summit]

this is the only other image of the Rocks crew, and it doesn't have captain john

[obtuse void]

despite the latest chapter I still dont see Gomu gomu to be like secretly world strongest fruit tho

[grizzled fog]

Probably because it’s not

The fruit likely isn’t important because of its power, more likely some important figure in the past also had it

[obtuse void]

hmm but nobody talk about it

[normal plume]

Had to be from the ancient past. Makes sense since a member of cipher pol was guarding it when it was stolen, they would report to the Gorusei which take directly from Imu who most likely is from the ancient past

[pure raven]

Did someone use Laws fruit on Imu

[fierce ledge]

anybody notice how it seems all of roger’s crew have no devil fruits, i have a feeling it will be similar for the red hair pirates with them just being incredibly powerful haki users.

[pseudo citrus]

OK, how about this for a wild projection/connecting of dots:
-Gomu Gomu no Mi was the original Joyboy's fruit, which he left behind at Laughtale
-Roger got it in Laughtale
-He found out at Laughtale that the next Joyboy would be born, believed it could be his son
-He gave it to Rouge, with the intention of her passing it to Ace
-The government found the fruit before Shanks could, when they were searching for Roger's possible kids
-Shanks stole the fruit and took it to Dawn Island with the intending of giving it to Ace
-Luffy ate it on accident
-Shanks' "bet" was on Luffy, as opposed to Ace

[pastel summit]

timeline is incredibly fucked here, on top of shanks not knowing ace at all. Shanks still would have been a kid before rouge died.

[muted mortar]

Sounds too cheesy to me

[pseudo citrus]

shanks only had to know that roger intended for ace to get the fruit, that's it

[pastel summit]

yeah but shanks didn't know ace

[muted mortar]

It is also possible that previous gomu gomu no mi user was powerful enough to capture the eyes of wg to an extent that they wanted his fruit

[dense wing]

I will say though, the Gomu being loot from Laughtale is interesting

Obviously no one on the crew ate it, but if it fell into WG hands when Roger pirates disbanded or whatever it may give some motivation for Shanks to steal it from CP-9?

Chapter 1 makes it seem like they stole it just for the sake of being pirates though and looting

[pseudo citrus]

the government could have just known that rouge had it when she died, without knowing about joyboy, so that's why nobody has reacted weird

[pastel summit]

and the timeline is still fucked up. There's a whole 12 years between roger dying and luffy eating the fruit.

[pseudo citrus]

the government (garp?) got it while looking for roger's kids, then shanks stole it when he did because he knew that's what roger wanted

[muted mortar]

The wg didn't knew a thing about rouge. she died alone without ever getting caught by wg

[pastel summit]

so garp had the fruit for 10 years, then why was the fruit being transported by WW?

[analog cobalt]

What if roger brought the fruit to the world government?

[pseudo citrus]

no idea why it was being moved, I assume garp gave it to the WG and they did whatever with it

[pastel summit]

seems a bit too wonky of a theory imo. There's a lot of time gaps and weird motives.

[hazy frigate]

I don't think there was any joyboy and luffy is gonna be joyboy ..I think someone predicted the coming of joyboy like shyarly predicts ..

[pseudo citrus]

Fruit timeline: Roger got it, gave it to Rouge, Garp got it and gave it to the WG, Shanks stole it``````Shanks timeline: knew Roger wanted his kid to have the fruit, learned where it was 12 years go, stole it and took it to Dawn Island for Ace, let Luffy eat itand yeah it is wonky, but I wanted to mention the idea, as it would explain why nobody has reacted to it (only the Roger crew really knew about it) and why Shanks knew what it looked like (Roger showed it to Shanks)

[pastel summit]

yeah except, once again, shanks didn't know ace.

[hazy frigate]

That's Roger statement was we came here too early, and also said I wish I was born in your time joyboy..meaning joyboy hasn't been born yet ..and another proof is that oden had confidence that 20 years later something is gonna happen..

[pseudo citrus]

why would he have to know ace though?

[pastel summit]

stole it and took it to Dawn Island for Ace

[pseudo citrus]

yeah, he just knew he wanted to give it to Roger's son, that's it

[pastel summit]

the son he didn't know existed? Very odd plan

[hazy frigate]

I don't think he wanted ace to have it..coz he met ace later..he didn't ever say I had fruit for you which your brother ate

I mean ace did meet shanks personally to thank him

Don't you think he would have mentioned something like that

[pseudo citrus]

ah, you mean he didn't even know Ace existed? yeah that'd be a problem lol

[hazy frigate]

Yeah .. aren't you contradicting your own theory then

[pseudo citrus]

yeah the theory hinges on Shanks knowing that Roger had a kid

[pastel summit]

I don't see why the govt is transporting the fruit, or how shanks knew where they would be transporting it either.

[hazy frigate]

Well what I think is fruit has shown reflecting bullets what if it had power to reflect something heavy like a shot from pluton or something..

After awakening of course

[pseudo citrus]

both of these points would have to be resolved with any theory... I don't have an answer but I don't think anyone does lol 😩

[pastel summit]

Sorry I'll clarify. I don't see why the govt is transporting the fruit randomly after they had it for 12 years already

It'd be different the govt just only found it 12 yrs ago and were transporting it

[hazy frigate]

Yeah I think they just found it and we're transporting it ..and who's who had that mission

[pseudo citrus]

if they had just found it, why would it already be in the hands of CP9, and why would shanks know about it?

[pastel summit]

but you're saying they already had it in their possession and just chose to move it somewhere randomly, and shanks happened to know?

[hazy frigate]

Shanks might have crossed paths with them

I don't think it was pre planned

[pastel summit]

?

They find it somewhere randomly wherever --> they ask CP9 to escort the fruit somewhere safer or to some govt agent who wants it --> Shanks attacks govt ship for some reason, could be because he knew about the fruit, could be other reasons

[pseudo citrus]

still seems a bit crazy that the secret police would so easily leak the info to random pirates

[hazy frigate]

Don't forget how doflamingo knew about ope ope no mi

[ember trench]

probably

[hazy frigate]

And people are focusing too much about how shanks got fruit ..it might be coincidence ..coz in one piece world they do happen ..think about oden boarded the ship of white beard pirates out of all the pirates in the world and got to meet Roger and sailed with him too

[pastel summit]

Yeah, I don't think the fruit is actually important.

[ember trench]

might be coincidence but i like to think there is a better causality than that

since I am one who believes it is very important

[hazy frigate]

It is indeed important ..I'm not refuting that ..but I'm also saying ..shanks knowing everything is bit far fetched ..

[pastel summit]

It breaks a lot of things if it is important

unless literally no one knows it is important

[ember trench]

i doubt he knows everything but Roger may have told him about the power

[hazy frigate]

The fruit is definitely important to world govt for some reason..but shanks stole it without knowing much about it

[analog cobalt]

Theory: shanks is actually jo

[pastel summit]

if the fruit is important to WG why didnt they kill luffy when they heard about him?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, Shanks had been going on many arbitrary voyages, a coincidence is totally possible and even likely

[ember trench]

Most likely - if it's important in the way I think it is - only those in the know about the bigger details of the Void Century know about the fruit. Im, the Gorosei, and the ones who heard Joyboy's story.

[hazy frigate]

I think luffy's rubber ability can bounce off many powers after awakening and not necessarily turn everything to rubber

[dusky acorn]

It'd be different if Shanks only went out the one time during the whole year they were at Foosha and that time he attacked the ship

[pastel summit]

So King of the World, Im, just never found out Luffy had the fruit until he was too strong for the govt to be able to effectively kill?

[ember trench]

nah probably as soon as he received his first bounty. I don't think it's so important that they'd need to send a hit squad after him though. He's a pirate, marines will get him eventually.

[modest skiff]

I don't think so, this wouldn't really make sense. Luffy was well enough known after enies lobby. Although I do think it is possible that since yonkos were of course already still a thing, they simply didn't have the resources to dedicate to Luffy

[hazy frigate]

I think cp9 kept the details about the fruit hush hush and probably even who's who doesn't know why he got such harsh punishment ..

[ember trench]

CP9 probably didn't know anything about it except their superiors wanted it

[modest skiff]

yeah we don't know who knows why the fruit is important

[hazy frigate]

Yeah

[dusky acorn]

That's what the official translation seemed to imply, that Who's Who thinks his punishment doesn't add up relative to his 'single little mistake'

[hazy frigate]

They just were doing what they were told to do

[ember trench]

I think the only reason they want it is because it's another memento of Joyboy they want to lock up

someone getting the power isn't really a big deal in the grand scheme of things

[pastel summit]

know about the straw hat
know about D
know about the devil fruit
do nothing when all 3 are combined

[true flame]

who's who likely doesnt know anything about the gomu gomu, he prolly just had a mission

[pastel summit]

this theory hinges on the upper echelons of the govt being utterly retarded and not choosing to act, when they are the same people who destroyed an entire country on the possibility of the void century being leaked, but they don't act on the possibility of joyboy returning?

[ember trench]

you could say the same about Robin

plus this is mostly superstition

[hazy frigate]

I would like to propose a bold assumption
First, I think there is a poneglyph somewhere which predicts that whoever joyboy is gonna be has gum gum fruit ..
And the higher ups knew about that part
And cp9 were put in charge of getting the fruit so they can just keep it in the freezer
But co incidentally shanks stole it
And who's who got locked up for a small mistake

[pastel summit]

they literally tell childhood stories about how evil and scary the D are. Even if it is mostly superstition, it's the kind of superstition the WG would act on. It just seems really silly for them to conveniently ignore it.

[unreal mango]

okay i literally agree with you because of a weird interaction Kaido had with Luffy when he fell off the cliff that I tweeted about.

He says "What was that? Gomu gomu no?... And you thought you were joyboy?"

[ember trench]

the possibility of the Void Century being discovered is a real threat to their grip on the world. Someone having a straw hat and Joyboy's power isn't something I think they would freak out over initially. Maybe as Luffy continued to build a reputation it would start to scare them, like it seems to be doing now.

[unreal mango]

he said something along those lines

[pastel summit]

The same people who chose to try and kill the fetus of Roger are like "yeah we will wait until it becomes a problem"?

[unreal mango]

Could you grab the screenshot? I don't have them on me now.

Oda doing a lot of backstory for it though 👀

[hazy frigate]

Again I m saying there wasn't any joyboy ..the only joyboy there will be is luffy and someone predicted the coming of joyboy

[ember trench]

yeah but that's a bit different, Roger is a more recent figure whose name actually carries power to the entire world. Nobody knows who Joyboy is or what his identifiers are. He was erased from history and only exists in the minds of the top CDs.

[unreal mango]

i agree

luffy is joyboy

[analog cobalt]

What if the world government was going to give it to someone?

[unreal mango]

Doubt it. The gomu gomu no fruit isn't the most overpowered fruit. Like what could they possibly be scared of?

[pastel summit]

If you're going on "The WG doesn't actually know joyboy", then who knows why the fruit is important? Why does Shanks know, was he told? Why didn't Rayleigh know? Crocus?

[analog cobalt]

Maybe they knew something we didn’t, and planned to give it to one of the higher-ups

[ember trench]

The Gorosei and Im - the top CDs and the ruler of the world.

[pastel summit]

and if the WG doesn't know, why are they transporting it?

[hazy frigate]

@ember trench That's the thing man ..we have seen shyarly predict future ..what if there was someone who predicted about luffy and could only see a person smiling and named him joyboy

[ember trench]

If the Roger Pirates know it's only because they heard Joyboy's story

[unreal mango]

ah, what a fitting name for Luffy's pure smile

[ember trench]

They're doing it because their bosses said so. The Gorosei rule the government.

[unreal mango]

How can one look at this and not see pure joy? Luffy smiles even in the worst of circumstances.
https://tenor.com/view/luffy-smile-happy-grin-one-piece-gif-5039562

[ember trench]

Im said he wants that power, they dedicate resources to bring it back to Mary Geoise. Nobody needs to know why.

It's also why they had CP9 in charge of it - absolute discretion

[unreal mango]

Marie Jois also has a strawhat 👀. I think Krauzer's theory is fitting tbh. They had to have seen a vision of Luffy

[pastel summit]

and why did the gorosei say so? Because the fruit is important? and why is the fruit important? because it belonged to joyboy, therefore it's automatically important, right? but then when they lose that important thing, they do nothing about it? just because "oh actually it's not that important anymore" until it's too late? You are saying the WG, the same people who take preventative measures on literally fucking everything, chose to just... do nothing?

[ember trench]

Imu wants it and doesn't want anyone having it if they can help it. I think that's all the reason they need.

[pastel summit]

doesn't want anyone having it if they can help it

[ember trench]

It's important but not of dire importance

[pastel summit]

does nothing when they know someone else has it

[ember trench]

a pirate having it isn't a huge deal. They'd just rather someone not have it.

in the end it is just a devil fruit. the importance it has for them is largely symbolic.

[pastel summit]

they'd rather someone have it than do anything about it though

[hazy frigate]

Yeah they just wanted to lock it up like that strawhat ..

[pastel summit]

you are contradicting yourself with every statement. "they want it, but they don't want it"

[ember trench]

they'd rather Luffy not have it sure... it's just not something worth dedicating extra resources for.

[pastel summit]

but roger's fetus was worthy of a 10 month long campaign

[ember trench]

In the end he's just a pirate with rubber powers

[unreal mango]

just

[ember trench]

again, Roger's bloodline holds far more power than a power that belonged to a guy who died 800+ years ago

[hazy frigate]

Yeah but anything related to joyboy isn't known to public

[unreal mango]

the world government has had eyes on Luffy since he first made a major appearance to them in Alabasta arc was it?

[unreal mango]

If that's the case why did Akainu chase Luffy down?

[ember trench]

because he's Dragon's son

[pastel summit]

yeah according to you it holds infinitely more power. despite this being the same people who keep a hat freezer cooled for likely 800+ yrs because it's a reminder of 1 dude.

[ember trench]

yep it does hold more power

[pastel summit]

not more. infinitely more.

because the fruit actually holds 0 power according to you.

[unreal mango]

the gomu gomu no fruit isn't overpowered in and of itself. I think they held it because of Krauzer's theory. They had a vision that joyboy would have it

[analog cobalt]

I think it was since loguetown

[pastel summit]

but it actually holds enough power that they ask CP9, not an escort service, an assassination squad, to guard the fruit, but when they find out some rookie pirate has it, it's apparently too much effort to send the same amount of effort to kill him

[ember trench]

The general populace doesn't even know who Joyboy is. Meanwhile Roger is the pirate king who created an era. The hat and fruit are only important to the people who know about Joyboy.

[unreal mango]

what exactly are you trying to say right now?

i don't know what position you're arguing 👀

[pastel summit]

That the fruit isn't important. but archer insists it is simultaneously important and irrelevant

[hazy frigate]

What I'm saying is .. general people are kept in the dark ..so they can't send people to assassinate someone..bcoz he ate gum gum fruit ..they would have to reveal the information as well ..that this guy is possible joyboy

[ember trench]

It's important because they had CP9 escorting it. It's just not so big a deal that they're going to freak out and assassinate someone just for having it.

[pastel summit]

how would that be freaking out???

[analog cobalt]

Oda isn’t a tard, don’t worry

[ember trench]

It's an extreme reaction for a pirate who is being hunted across the ocean by the marines anyway

just for having a power you wanted to lock up in a freezer

[pastel summit]

How is wasting resources to send CP9 to guard the fruit a good idea, but using CP9 to take the fruit back not?
Using CP9 for assassination (what they exist for) = dumb stupid idea
Using CP9 for guard mission (not what they exist for) = great intelligent idea

[pastel summit]

the govt is all about extreme reactions lmfao this is such a bad point.

[open crown]

Yea I don't think it's like a chosen fruit but that it was strong enough that people would want it

[hazy frigate]

Alright think about this..if they kill luffy ..it's not like they get the fruit back ..it just grows somewhere else..and then somebody else eats

[analog cobalt]

How long has the navy and world government been around for?

[ember trench]

They are when they think it's necessary but not for something like this

[pastel summit]

what's the justification for what Lucci did in that 1 kingdom? Why was that necessary? Why not just not send him

[ember trench]

besides marines are hunting Luffy anyway

[open crown]

maybe some electricity will happen and the gomu gomu no mi is needed to combat that

[pastel summit]

because according to you, mobilising 1 agent is too much fucking effort

[hidden jetty]

@analog cobalt want to say 800 years. WG was founded when joyboy was around. That’s who he went to war with.

[ember trench]

Key here is they think it's necessary. They wouldn't think it's necessary to send assassins for a power they can't get back anyway. Leave that to the marines.

[pastel summit]

why would they not be able to get it back?

[ember trench]

After Enies Lobby too, sending assassins is pointless

[analog cobalt]

So there’s bound to be some extremely strong fleet admirals and the dude above fleet admiral

[ember trench]

Because the power would just respawn somewhere else in the world

[pastel summit]

and then they can look for it, which is likely what they did in the first place.

[ember trench]

Yeah it also took them centuries to find it

[pastel summit]

source?

[ember trench]

them only finding it twelve years ago

[dusky acorn]

If we're going with it originally being Joyboy's fruit, I do think some sort of middle man(s) user(s) who had it would need to be involved in this

[pastel summit]

the fruit is publicly known, which means people have had it in the past.

[dusky acorn]

Because I think that's where the fruit being recorded would have come from

Yeah

[ember trench]

Yeah they've just never been able to acquire it themselves

[pastel summit]

or they have and it's actually not important. It just coincidentally is never found by the government? This 1 fruit keeps eluding them, magically.

[ember trench]

it's definitely important

[pastel summit]

just not important enough to do anything about

[ember trench]

that isn't even the question to me

[hidden jetty]

How do we know JoyBoy has a fruit? The reason the gumgum fruit is important is likely because it was predicted a gumgum user was going to bring the WG down/ be the reincarnation of JoyBoy. Doesn’t mean the original one had it.

Then meaning the WG

[ember trench]

Important enough to have an escort ship bring it back to Mary Geoise, not important enough to assassinate anyway that has it

[pastel summit]

from your argument, you definitely should be questioning it, because you've contradicted yourself about 10 times. "It's definitely important, it's just not important when the main character has it because then it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't try and get it"

[ember trench]

I haven't contradicted myself at all actually

[hidden jetty]

Hey guys it’s a misunderstanding let’s move on

[pastel summit]

what's the justification for what Lucci did in that 1 kingdom? Why was that necessary? Why not just not send him

[ember trench]

they thought it was

[open crown]

You guys are going in circles now

[pastel summit]

cool. I'm out.

[ember trench]

finally

[pastel summit]

can't wait for archer to leave the server again when he's wrong.

[analog cobalt]

Admitting defeat

[ember trench]

I only leave when I'm bored

[pastel summit]

bored of being wrong

[open crown]

no one "won" here alright

[dusky acorn]

All we can do now is wait and see how it plays out

[ember trench]

impossible because I'm never wrong

[hidden jetty]

This doesn’t sound like a manga theory

[dusky acorn]

One thing I will say, regardless of the gum gum fruit being important or not is it's somewhat strange Lucci nor anyone in CP9 commented on Luffy's fruit having relation to one of their past missions

Even if the mission was supposed to be classified, the action should have at least been known within the cohorts of CP9 themselves?

[ember trench]

might just not have been one they were involved in

and so they didn't need to know about it

[hidden jetty]

maybe who’s who was the only one in the know

[pastel summit]

the enies lobby guys knew the W7 mission despite not being on them.

[dusky acorn]

Maybe, it sure sounds like he was the only CP9 member on his ship

[ember trench]

they just didn't know this one then or remember it

[dusky acorn]

Unless there's other members who were punished alongside him we've yet to learn about

[hidden jetty]

Anything related to JoyBoy/Imu is not told to many people though

[ember trench]

or maybe it's story breaking and we should call oda a hack

[pastel summit]

or maybe, just a lot of story elements break if the fruit is important.

[hidden jetty]

They are probably new members? And they replaced the ones who messed up

[ember trench]

maybe nothing breaks

[dusky acorn]

Well, CP9 members are trained to become that from a young age iirc

[pastel summit]

There's no good explanation other than "just because" for why literally no one has commented on it so far.

[dusky acorn]

But yeah someone took Who's Whos place at least

[ember trench]

who is going to comment on it

[pastel summit]

Lucci was a full fledged member at the time.

[ember trench]

I mean it's really easy to just say they didn't know about it lol

[hidden jetty]

There is probably a specific/private squad relating to CP9 who were tasked with the gumgum fruit, doesn’t sound like it’s something everyone will know about

[pastel summit]

Sengoku, Gorosei, CP9, Rayleigh, Crocus, Whitebeard possibly (assumes Roger told him the whole story on Laugh Tale which he likely did since he was aware of the specific qualities of person joyboy would be)

[ember trench]

they don't need to be aware of every mission

Sengoku didn't know, CP9 didn't know, Whitebeard didn't know, Ray and Crocus just didn't mention it but may have found it peculiar, Gorosei are tight-lipped about a lot of things

[pastel summit]

Gorosei are 100% aware according to you, but no exposition.

[ember trench]

yep they are aware

[pastel summit]

literally not hinted at in the slightest. Conveniently.

[dusky acorn]

Rayleigh not mentioning it I can get along with I guess

He said almost nothing about his straw hat

And what he did say wasn't very explicit

[pastel summit]

He said it suits him.

[hidden jetty]

Am I the only one who hopes joyboy is a real person and not reincarnated into luffy? Anyways, Maybe whoever inherits the one piece also inherits joyboy’s will, and this person was fated or hinted at being a gumgum fruit user.

[ember trench]

they have also been aware that a possibly immortal king rules the government from their first appearance yet never mentioned it. Conveniently.

[pastel summit]

He doesn't need to be explicit. I'm not expecting Rayleigh to say "YOOOOOO Luffy!!! bro!!! u know ur fruit is same as joyboy's bro!!! that's sick"

[dusky acorn]

lol

[ember trench]

He could but why would he

[pastel summit]

But he often has monologues about stuff. and this stuff is subtly hinted.

[ember trench]

Luffy wanted to find out for himself

[pastel summit]

monologue means talking to himself

[ember trench]

why would he talk to himself

[pastel summit]

you tell me, he's done it before.

[open crown]

I don't think it's a reincarnation. Like you said, it's just inherited will.

[ember trench]

do you think he talks to himself all the time?

[hidden jetty]

I don’t think JoyBoy had a fruit. At least I hope not. Would be cooler if he and Imu are some type of alien race who either directly or indirectly created devil fruits or haki. Call me crazy tho!! 😂😂

[pastel summit]

not what I said. not even what I implied. Idk how you arrived at that one.

[ember trench]

not sure what you're trying to say at this point. why would rayleigh need to talk to himself about Luffy having this power lest this be unbelievable

[hidden jetty]

@open crown I just hope he’s flesh and blood, physically there. Or maybe the one piece let’s you have some type of face to face conversation, and joyboy’s spirit is somehow trapped or concealed inside the one piece.

[ember trench]

Ray just didn't talk about it. And if he thought about it we just didn't hear it.

[open crown]

I think all we're getting from joy boy, or whoever is communicating, is words on poneglyphs

[pastel summit]

because as a writer, oda hints this stuff. Through Rayleigh, stuff like this has been hinted. The importance of the straw hat for example. Through other characters we have had importance about the D been thrown around, despite not knowing its true significance. There has been nothing about the fruit outside of this 1 chapter. 2 panels of just saying "WG ship had the fruit"

[ember trench]

He's hinting at it now

[pastel summit]

and it gets extrapolated to "yooooooooo joyboy had it, it's important but actually not important!!!"

[ember trench]

We didn't get it then because it wasn't time for us to know

[hidden jetty]

@open crown that is probably true. Was it already confirmed that joyboy made the poneglyhs? Or was it a theory

[open crown]

Not confirmed. Could be one person or it could be an entire group of people but what we do know is that the kozuki clan carved the poneglyphs. We don't know if they were told to do so by anyone

[ember trench]

Even the greater importance of the hat wasn't really hinted at until recently

[pastel summit]

no, I would say it was hinted at, and the mary geoise stuff confirms it is important

[ember trench]

Maybe it's weird the government didn't assassinate Luffy for wearing a straaw hat

Nah it really wasn't at all. Aside from it being Roger's hat.

[pastel summit]

it doesnt confirm how, just that it is.

[ember trench]

The giant hat in the Mary Geoise freezer is a hint itself

[pastel summit]

yeah but it being passed down from generation to generation HINTED at it being important.

[open crown]

it was hinted at being important in that it was passed down from multiple important figures

[pastel summit]

The giant hat in Mary Geoise CONFIRMS that there is some importance with the hat itself.

[pure raven]

maybe Joy Boy is a giant?

[pastel summit]

we just do not know what that importance is.

[ember trench]

No, the hat in the freezer indicates there is a whole other level of importance to the hat than we were initially led to believe. The same goes for the fruit now.

[open crown]

there's the possibility that the hat didn't even belong to joy boy

[pastel summit]

If we get WW next chapter saying "the upper echelon of the WG wanted the fruit for some reason" next chapter, that CONFIRMS it is important in some regard, without it ever actually being hinted.

[open crown]

yes that is what choc is saying lol

[ember trench]

it's not

[open crown]

"The giant hat in Mary Geoise CONFIRMS that there is some importance with the hat itself." - what choc said

"the hat in the freezer indicates there is a whole other level of importance to the hat than we were initially led to believe" - what you said

[ember trench]

yeah that's not what I said

[hidden jetty]

Guys. We agree that the hat is important. Who gives a fuck. You all agree on the point. Move on. Please.

[ember trench]

What we knew before: Roger owned a straw hat that looks identical to the one owned by Shanks and Luffy
What we know after: The hat goes back much farther and has far more signficance than Roger > Shans > Luffy

[open crown]

[ember trench]

don't facepalm me when you can't keep track of the discussion lol

[hidden jetty]

No way you guys are older than 18 lmfao

[open crown]

no ur just repeating something that everyone is saying lol

[ember trench]

I wasn't and I just spelled out for you why but anyway

[pastel summit]

yes. We were initially led to believe there was some level of importance with the hat, even just from Shanks saying "it's an important hat to me" in ch. 1. And then then we have stuff like what rayleigh said about it, and then the little bit with roger giving the hat to shanks, then shanks to luffy. All of this indicates the hat has some importance. Then the freezer shows us and basically confirms that there is an even greater importance to it, one that relates to the WG itself, and possibly connects back to the void century. We were never led to believe Luffy's fruit was important. If we learn that the fruit itself is connected to the WG wanting it because it is important, that is outright confirmation it is important, despite there never being any hints about it.

[open crown]

wow just wow

[ember trench]

We were never really led to believe that Luffy's hat had such a grand significance to it either though. We knew there was an inherited will theme attached to it as a symbol, but we thought we had all the pieces to that in one place. The freezer reveal recontextualizes it and changes everything surrounding the hat, giving it a new level of importance to the larger story that goes beyond Roger and ties it to the core mysteries of the One Piece world. If you want to apply something similar to the fruit, we've also had devil fruits used as symbol for the passing on of a will as well through the Mera Mera. So while we haven't had anything specific for Luffy's fruit in particular, the concept isn't exactly new either. Further, it's still all surrounding the notion of a connection between Luffy and Joyboy.

[pastel summit]

Yes there was an inherited will theme to Ace's fruit, but never such a thing hinted with Luffy's. The hat never had grand symbolism, but it still had symbolism. Symbolism that was constantly referenced by people who knew about it, even if Luffy himself never knew. All he knew was that it's from Shanks and it's important. it just seems odd that Oda would drop this one out of nowhere. Like, even just from knowing the SH used to be Roger's, you can kinda infer Roger probably got it from someone else, and so on and so on. but not really there with the fruit, no one ever comments on the previous user, no one talks about it possibly having some significance. I find it hard to believe the Gorosei have NO REACTION to Luffy being a D, with a straw hat with the fruit. They react to the D, that's it. and you did say it earlier, it's definitely weird they didn't react to the hat, but also not to the fruit that was explicitly stolen from them?

WW never says who took it? these same dudes who wanted the fruit let in the very same person who stole it from them?

[analog cobalt]

People really out here arguing about paper and megabytes

[marsh shore]

Thoughts?

[worldly anvil]

bullshit theory

[hazy ferry]

care to elaborate or...?

[dusky acorn]

I'll elaborate: The last part about him being shocked Thatch had the Yami Yami has no bearing on the way specific theory is presented

We know exactly why Blackbeard wanted it, he checked out the DF book

And saw that the Yami is said to be the most dangerous in the history of fruits. He was shocked because he was generally looking for it his whole life

[worldly anvil]

he want the most powerful df

[dusky acorn]

As for his ship being named after Xebec, there's much simpler explanations then stretching it all this way

He can simply be looking up to him

Since as we know, Blackbeard used to look up to Whitebeard in a similar way, but stopped after he grew old. This could just be the new figure he's move on to be inspired by

[short lion]

What happens if part of the One Piece treasure is a swimsuit on laugh tale that lets devil fruit users swim. And Im sama has the water water fruit or ocean ocean logia. So basically it's necessary and joy boy knew to leave it there so someone could use it to fight Im sama.

[tacit veldt]

Couldnt BB just fucking ask Thatch "Hey pal i really like that DF can i please have it pretty please" before jumping to murder? Thatch seemed like a pretty chill fella

[dusky acorn]

I thought about that before as well.
I want to say Thatch may have already ate it before Blackbeard had the chance to ask, but we straight up saw a flashback panel of Thatch still holding the fruit in his hand whilst on the ship

It's either Thatch was reluctant to give it, or the greed went so far to Blackbeard's head he didn't think to or want to ask, and just immediately jumped to the extreme

[cyan berry]

Wasn't it a rule on the WB ship that only the person who found the fruit could eat it?

[analog cobalt]

Not sure

[tacit veldt]

I think they're free to do what they want with it, sure they can sell it if they want the Money for example

[dusky acorn]

Correct

[analog cobalt]

Wasn’t a rule on Gol D. Roger’s ship that anyone who wanted to eat the fruit could eat it?

[dusky acorn]

No, Shanks/Roger's crew rules differed from WB. They seemed more chill about who gets to eat the fruits they find

Roger said anyone who wanted Buggy's fruit was free* to eat it

And as for the Gum gum, no one ate it either but we're still waiting on the whole story there

[open crown]

Maybe after blackbeard got the fruit, he was going to kill whitebeard anyway

[pastel summit]

bad from the first line.

BM can't even put souls into dead humans, forget about alive ones

[open crown]

So then he was like "fuck it, I'll just kill thatch while im at it"

[analog cobalt]

Yea

[tacit veldt]

I'm still reading this as "the one who finds a fruit can do whatever he wants with it". I doubt WB was forcing his children to eat every single DF they come across

[cyan berry]

I mean they weren't children

And I doubt he'd force a guy who already had a fruit to eat another one

[dusky acorn]

Yeah it definitely wasn't any oblidgement by any means to eat the fruit, they just had final say as to whatever happens to the fruit

And if they say, don't want to give the fruit away, then the other crew members have to respect their wishes

[analog cobalt]

Moyai

[open crown]

Yea, this theory has already been proven false in how bb wasn't surprised by how thatch had the fruit but that bb was just looking for it

[autumn vapor]

What do you guys think Oda will do to prevent Onigashima from falling over the capital, assuming it happens?

[pure raven]

how one would transfer one's soul into other? I haven't had a full grasp on Big Mom soul fruit but shouldn't she be able to pull ones soul from their body if one would fear her?

Rocks isnt one to be afraid of her that easily for her to extract his soul. And soul cannot be infused into a living body, only inanimate objects and animals so the whole part of Rocks being inside BB is proven false

[light pond]

Momo he is the perfect counter and his df is build up to do this

[toxic tundra]

that may be an advanced technique - he is barely able to fly himself. if it came to Onigashima falling - and Zoro getting up - we might see Zoro slice it up like he did in Dressrosa? Would be cool, but who knows 😂

[light pond]

He flew back in punk hazard

And zoro is on a timer now i dont think he has the energy to slice the whole onigashima and it wont help the problem of the island falling down

[toxic tundra]

but he wasnt concious right? as far as i remember, it was involuntary (by momo)

[light pond]

That is why it is the perfect time for him to learn his powers just like how shirahoshi save FMI using her powers

[toxic tundra]

ah, yeah its possible

[light pond]

Also zoro asked elizabello's assistance back when he sliced pica so him slicing an island he is on is not ideal it wont save any problems at all plus he was currently on a timer

[pure raven]

I can Theorise shit better than this

[mystic crown]

The strawhats win there fights but the raid fails. Kaido breaks the straw hats will and they join his crew luffy has to defeat his crew mates to reach kaido and give them hope

[cyan berry]

@mystic crown serious theories only here please :)

[pure raven]

🥱

[analog cobalt]

What would happen if the World Government were to have hold of Luffy and planned to execute him?

[pure raven]

It would be just like ace, except luffy has was more allies

He wouldn’t die tho

[slim vale]

Luffy’s gonna get healed by the same type of zou medicine that is about to heal Zoro since the Heart pirates should also have knowledge of this medicine due to them being on zou for so long

[twin summit]

Ig kaido would not be defeated in the arc

[pure raven]

I think Sanji will actually marry Pudding

[pure raven]

I actually want that to happen.

[analog cobalt]

I feel like Sanji desires to be with Nami though 🤔

[weary cliff]

I don't think Luffy got nearly as messed up as Zoro. He should be fine without it. The less we use this super pill the better. It sets a dangerous precedent

[pure raven]

I dunno, I feel like Luffy is a better choice, if not, then Hancock maybe?

I'm sure Sanji and Pudding is a super good pair

[queen arrow]

Sanji doesn't want to marry

he wants to be free to love all women

[analog cobalt]

Why would Sanji want to marry Luffy? Sounds odd

[pure raven]

I was talking about Luffy x Nami, but eh-

[analog cobalt]

Hear me out, Luffy x Zoro

[pure raven]

Is that so? Peep this one:

Meteorite's used by Fujitora x Wano

Or better yet. Festival of Furious Flames (Fujitora Special attack from PW3) x Revolutionary Army.

It's a crushing tale of sad death.

[analog cobalt]

Usopp x Franky

[pure raven]

I've been defeated

[radiant blade]

Luffy is definitely marrying Hancock

[analog cobalt]

I’d like it if Luffy never married

[pure raven]

I mean, I'd be fine if Hancock or Sabo being captured was a tie in with Akainu vs Luffy

[analog cobalt]

Luffy vs Luffy 🤔

[pure raven]

Let's be real: We all want Akainu to just drop

[analog cobalt]

Hmm

[twin summit]

What if bb will go at wano

What you guys think...

[waxen dust]

They are already married, Sanji just doesn’t remember

[rigid wadi]

Hancock has Coby looking to capture her, if Coby manages I will be really disappointed with Hancock lvl.

[weary cliff]

Seems like that's one place he's definitely not going

[loud steeple]

do people actually think sabo is dead?

[pure raven]

Hes most likely alive but in big trouble

[split hornet]

Wonder if the story government want to hide is the attempted assassination or concerning sabo

There is no way they can beat two admirals tho

[loud steeple]

Why was he in trouble again, was he trying to assassinate someone or did he just get caught

[split hornet]

Declared war on world government and clashed with admirals / rescuing Kuma

[loud steeple]

thanks

I jus dont see why he oda would bring him back and then off screen him

[split hornet]

Would be lame, i think he's just captured and that will somehow trigger Luffy to go to mariejois
Or dragon

[pure raven]

Luffy and dragon hopefully

[split hornet]

That would be too sick

[hybrid beacon]

Hear me out, what if the condition for forging a black blade is defeating another conqueror. That's why Emma never turned even though Oden was yonko level, he never ended up finishing Kaito. Something like it turns black upon extinguishing the will of a conqueror or something to that affect

Enma* Kaido*

[visual merlin]

But then have Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Big mom, Shiki, etc never beaten another CoC haki user?

[neat estuary]

Hey

[pure raven]

Not really?

We don't know really

[tame pilot]

Zoro next chapter

[wind gust]

Yessir

[hybrid beacon]

I should've just said killed,

[surreal harness]

Pretty old theory :) most likely thats gona happen

[analog cobalt]

The one piece is the gomu gomu no mi!

[shell kettle]

Theory - what if Moria used his devil fruits to resurrect Whitebeard on laugh tale and then Moria will be the final villain of One Piece.

[queen arrow]

1- that's not really how Moria's power works, 2- he'd need to find the body which is hidden

[rugged sapphire]

Why did the govt decide to hide gomu fruit

[hazy totem]

Okay dumb theory i had about the gomu-gomu no mi's signfigence may be that it at full power, maybe an awakening, has the potential to create infinite energy where maybe it's awakening is something like the effects of scp-018 where instead of slowly loosing energy as it repeatedly bounces it in fact gains energy making it insanely powerfull

[strong flame]

It all depends on the awakening ability

[rugged sapphire]

What is the awakening ability, did anyone awaken dfs before?

[strong flame]

Doffy had the ability to turn anything into strings

[weary cliff]

That specific theory is pretty out there, but I would bet the awakened form is the reason, yeah

[hazy totem]

I dont think luffy's would be changing the environment as doffies worked like that because it gave him more he could control i think luffies may be something that effects his body

[strong flame]

I’m not sure how else he could change his body tho

He already came up with some pretty creative stuff

[hazy totem]

Maybe change how his rubber works expanding its power maybe? Hence my above theory

[pure raven]

Maybe he’ll get big

[boreal mica]

what if, there is a prophecy that someone with rubber powers will be the one who ends the celestial dragons

and that's why they went out of there way to collect that df

or maybe someone with time powers now that that's been brought to the story

[rugged harbor]

extremely unlikely because "prophecy kid" stuff is something oda will never do since it goes directly against what luffy's trying to achieve : absolute freedom and free will

[boreal mica]

isnt he already part of the prophecy of that mermaid shark i keep forgetting her name

i know it's just us assuming she's talking about him but idk

[weary cliff]

She prophesied Luffy destroying FMI

[rugged harbor]

madam shyarly and thats a prophecy that hasnt come to fruition for all we know (u can theorize ab that all u want) but what we know of rn in the canon story is that he broke that prophecy which again falls into his theme of free will

[weary cliff]

Before that, it was prophecied that Joyboy would return. The Sea Kings had an idea of when he would he born even. Its not impossible that the gomu gomu no mi was also foretold. I do doubt it, however

[boreal mica]

hm yeah maybe, i just had that idea so i wanted to share it

[rugged harbor]

and also thats a prophecy that doesnt restrain the free will much
theres a difference between "he will destroy an island" and "he was born to be pirate king " or whatever

[weary cliff]

You lost me

[boreal mica]

well, i didnt say he was gonna become pirate king, just that someone with the gomu gomu no mi would be the one that ends the reign of the celestial dragons

[rugged harbor]

but yeah that theory is still possible but everyone hates it ngl xD @boreal mica

[weary cliff]

Being able to foretell an event is the same thing no matter the event

[rugged harbor]

yeah but the impact on the story isnt the same

[boreal mica]

i feel like oda has been going down that road recently

i wouldnt have thought about it before

[weary cliff]

The reason I think that's not the case is because there's no way he'd be alive today

[boreal mica]

why not

[rugged harbor]

im shit at explaining stuff @weary cliff uve probably seen me here before i always fuck it up

[weary cliff]

As soon as they identified the next gomu gomu user, send Cipher Pol to kill him. If that doesnt work, send an admiral. They wouldnt just give him ample time to grow into his power like he has

[rugged harbor]

my theories make sense in my head until i type them out

[boreal mica]

they did send kuma after him, it just so happened that he was a "friend"

they did send people after him he just survived every time

[boreal mica]

same bro xd

[weary cliff]

They didnt do it as early or as earnestly as they would if they had the idea that the gomu gomu was going to take them down. Hell, he wasn't even important enough to add to the kidnapping list in W7

[rugged harbor]

@boreal mica if it was something that puts them in that much risk they couldve sent someone like akainu since luffy was in east blue or whatever as soon as they heard the news of him having that fruit thats what cadet meant

they wouldnt escalate the strength of the enemy , thats just uncessary risk

[boreal mica]

maybe they didnt think he was the one

idk i'm out of ideas xd

[weary cliff]

He was very publically a stretchy boy

[rugged harbor]

he still has the fruit tho

[boreal mica]

no i mean like they didnt think someone from the east blue would be strong enough even with the fruit

[weary cliff]

Idk man Roger was east blue lol

[rugged harbor]

i mean technically

a quarter of the people on the fuckin show are from east blue assuming its same amount in each quarter

[boreal mica]

well it's still known as the weakest sea for some reason

[rugged harbor]

weakest sea producing roger , the pirate king and monkey D. dragon the leader of the revo army and the most wanted man alive

idk ab that one ngl xD

[visual merlin]

because for the most part it's people are weak

[upbeat mist]

dont forget the grand line islands tho

[weary cliff]

It has an en easy going reputation but that doesn't mean it's worth betting their entire paradigm. Imagine if they sent Jabra after his early bounties started going out. Theyd have been wrecked without much effort from the WG

[rugged harbor]

i mean ik its known like that but its just ironic to me innit

[boreal mica]

yeah i get that

[rugged harbor]

its the weakest sea but still produced the strongest people to ever exist XD

[boreal mica]

but only a handful

[boreal mica]

we wouldnt have a story if they did that now would we xd

[weary cliff]

I guess if youre a big fish you end up leaving sooner or later

[visual merlin]

nah, WB, Kaido, Big mom, Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Shanks, etc, a lot are still not from the east blue

and the majority of the east blue people are fairly weak in comparison to the other places

[weary cliff]

Exactly. But if we went ahead and said they wanted the fruit because of the prophecy the whole story would be a plothole

[boreal mica]

i see what you mean now ye

[weary cliff]

It really does put the whole issue in a precarious spot. It's something that was clearly important to the WG, but it couldn't have been that important. Not as much as say an ancient weapon

[rugged harbor]

thats why im so surprised shanks spent so long there recruiting people and shit

[boreal mica]

it was important enough to send who's who to jail

[visual merlin]

we don't know what he was doing there do we?

[rugged harbor]

exactly

[boreal mica]

yeah we dont

[rugged harbor]

like if he was there just to recruit people , he'd rather be in other parts of the world since the east blue is known to be weak

[visual merlin]

yea but he probably wasn't recruiting people

[rugged harbor]

maybe he spent a full year in east blue just waiting for the gomu gomu to be transported? 🤔

[boreal mica]

maybe he knew of the prophecy 🧢

[weary cliff]

He did do some recruiting, but that probably wasn't the whole goal. Doesnt take a year to put together a decent crew

[rugged harbor]

but then we dont know that he stole it IN the east blue , we just know it ended up there

[boreal mica]

he was staying in the east blue*

[rugged harbor]

yeah exactly , thats why im wondering if he stayed there waiting for the gomu gomu theft

[boreal mica]

i dont see where else he would get it

[weary cliff]

Well he was active in the east blue. Occam's razor and all. Unless he crossed in and out of the grand line to get it, the fruit was in the east blue

[visual merlin]

if he was there that whole time for just the gomu gomu I imagine he would leave once he got it, and would be more mad about losing it

[rugged harbor]

if he did then that means it was completely planned and not by chance that he ran into it , and also means he had inside information that it was being transported

[boreal mica]

and they knew what the fruit was, so it's not like they didnt care about it

[tired osprey]

making this official, tama will get similar scar like shanks, but it seems like 2 lines, and on her cheek

[boreal mica]

he sacrificed his hand for it

[visual merlin]

for luffy, not the fruit

[boreal mica]

are we sure tho

[visual merlin]

yes

and he would've had more of a problem upon it first happening

[rugged harbor]

yes bc if luffy dies the fruit just respawns somewhere and he can find it again if he didnt care ab luffy

[boreal mica]

maybe he just didnt want the wg to have it

[weary cliff]

I'm speculating now, but I would think even if it was a wrench in his plan, he just played it cool. And he probably had more than an idea that Luffy was the kind of kid he was looking for anyways, so he just changed the plan to bet on Luffy

[boreal mica]

im overthinking this arent i

[rugged harbor]

exactly what im thinking

[boreal mica]

that's what im saying

[rugged harbor]

ure just thinking about stuff that is very unlikely xD

[boreal mica]

one of these days i'll get it right

until then

[rugged harbor]

nah idk the "prophecy kid" stuff is still very much possible

just that every single person here wishes it doesnt happen xD

[boreal mica]

it's all kaido

kaido made me think like this

[weary cliff]

I was so sure Oda was pulling a twist that Luffy wasn't Joyboy until Kaido confirmed it by saying he wasn't. And then Yamato double confirmed it

[boreal mica]

kaido saying he isnt joyboy makes me think he is

[rugged harbor]

yeah i was so happy when kaido said luffy wasnt joyboy but then it was just "shit"

[weary cliff]

Rights it's the classic set up to get proven wrong

[rugged harbor]

i mean yamato , who read oden's journal, said luffy is joyboy

so idk if we'd need any more confirmation than that xD

[boreal mica]

yeah i had forgotten about that

[rugged harbor]

i just wish that didnt happen tbh

[tired osprey]

which chap was that again?

[boreal mica]

wait, "you coulnt be joyboy either" is he talking about the previouos gomu gomu no mi users

[weary cliff]

I'll reserve final judgment until we get the full story of the void century prophecy

[boreal mica]

i think 1014 or 1013 i could be wrong

[tired osprey]

thanks

might lead into another good anti yamato argument

[boreal mica]

lol

[weary cliff]

1014 is Kaido saying he isnt. 1016 is Yamato saying he is

[rugged harbor]

@tired osprey last pannel in 1016 , yamato saying hes the man oden was waiting for meaning he's joyboy

[tired osprey]

oh okey

i remember that well enough without checking it, gave me trauma

[lucid shale]

What are the chances that BB him self is going to take kaido and Big moms DF cause they let xebec die ? Or some sort of revenge

[rugged harbor]

yeah had to go double check the exact wording xD

[tired osprey]

thought there was a panel where yamato specifically mentioned joyboy

[boreal mica]

not necessarily, oden said he was waiting for the pirates that will free wao in 20 years

[rugged harbor]

as far as we know BB has nothing to do with xebec no?

[tired osprey]

yeah, indeed fstolo

[rugged harbor]

oden needed to open up wano "before the return of joyboy" , the person he was waiting for was joyboy

[weary cliff]

I'm interested. I love Yamato, but something about him joining the crew feels off. Carrot for as sure of a candidate as she was has been a background character forever. At this point I'm tired of the 10th SH speculation and just want it over with

[boreal mica]

his ship is named after him hhe's a die hard fan of his

[rugged harbor]

yeah but he didnt have direct connections with him as far as we know , thats what i meant

[boreal mica]

maybe he's just one of those fans yk*

the ones that'll rip ou to shreds if you shit talk their stan

[rugged harbor]

BB is very interested in history , as far as we know xebec is a historical figure to BB that he looks up to and thats all

[weary cliff]

Because Luffy is going to be the one to open up Wano, I also thought this was a hint that it was someone coming later. In fact I figured Joyboy would be a non-combatant. But Kaido crushed that

[boreal mica]

yeah that's what i'm thinking, oden couldnt open wano for joyboy so he entrusted that to his retainers and the next gen of pirates aka luffy and company

[rugged harbor]

yeah true i guess but idk

[lucid shale]

@rugged harbor maybe Xebec is carrying the will of another un named character Sorta like Luffy is carrying the will of joy boy supposedly

[rugged harbor]

who else would come later that would be joyboy , kinda weird xD

[boreal mica]

i dont know i always thought it was a character sent to the future by a previous toki toki no mi user

[rugged harbor]

all of it still is the will of D. regardless imo XD

[boreal mica]

or maybe toki herself

[rugged harbor]

wether its xebec or BB or luffy , its all will of D. but just different application and standards xD

thats how i see it atleast

[weary cliff]

It would have been a twist. Someone for whom it was necessary for the county to be open in order to greet them. Since Oden made it seem like opening Wano was an important prerequisite. But that's all a dead theory

[lucid shale]

@rugged harbor an opposite some one who betrayed them causing the void century it can’t just be will of joy boy

[rugged harbor]

yeah watch joyboy be my boi vegapunk coming to explain devil fruits

[rugged harbor]

the void century was caused bc of what happened between the WG/CDs and joyboy idk what u mean there

[lucid shale]

@rugged harbor there must of been a leader who revolted and planned the void century

[rugged harbor]

Im sama is a thing no?

[lucid shale]

Im is a thing

[rugged harbor]

if theres someone like that , i dont think anyone fits that more than he does xD

[lucid shale]

I think the soul of Im is transferred to a host/vessel

Or had the ope ope fruit done for eternal life

[rugged harbor]

thats not necessary , the ope ope no mi exists and its special ability gives immortality

[timid fossil]

what happen if fishmen eat hito hito no mi ?

[rugged harbor]

@timid fossil pretty sure that was in an SBS before

so there u go , sengoku is a human that had a version of the hito hito no mi and thats what happens , same would happen to fishmen since they're half human

[timid fossil]

so they can turn full human ?

[rugged harbor]

probably either more human or 0 effect @timid fossil

[timid fossil]

@rugged harbor thanks dude

[lucid shale]

Also one last thing what are the chances Vega punks new invention is a cyborg army of oars jr? He wanted to replicate giants and oars jr has been MIA since marineford

[rugged harbor]

i mean , possible
vegapunk does weird shit all the time xD

[lucid shale]

That’s the only thing I can see that would warrant the warlords not being needed cyborg laser shooting oars jr army

[weary cliff]

I got the feeling gigantification was still something in the works

Could be, though, Vegepunk was part of that research

[rugged harbor]

i mean the warlords system got disbanded bc of multiple attempts to perform a coup on the WG and other warlords assisting luffy during marineford (such as boa)

[lucid shale]

@weary cliff yea I mean all he needed was kuma to make an army of kumas what’s to say he didn’t replicate the same idea with oars jr

[timid fossil]

i think giants or oras family have very important role in void century

[rugged harbor]

not because it wasnt needed anymore like u made it sound like @lucid shale

[weary cliff]

Oh I get it, he built giant robots

[rugged harbor]

yes either that or he just used oars's dna for gigantification to make giant kumas

[lucid shale]

Exactly

[lucid shale]

I always assumed cause of VP new invention they had no use of them

[weary cliff]

Plausible. The WG always wanted giants. And that could he part of getting Elbaf on the SH side

[rugged harbor]

i still believe that Vegapunk will show up at the end of wano so we'll see soon xD

[lucid shale]

I think the WG will show up at the end got almost every major pirate crew in one spot why not take them out with the new invention

[weary cliff]

They have their hands full

[lucid shale]

Vegapunk showing up will be amazing but idk if they will allow him to show up like garp did at the end of water 7

[rugged harbor]

yeah theres the rev army stuff happening + trying to arrest the former warlords, remember? WG got themselves knee deep in shit rn

also wano is literally pirates killing pirates , its what the WG wants to happen lmao they have no reason to do anything about it other than watch

[lucid shale]

Yea there’s a lot going on but I think we’d see greenbull before we see vegapunk

[rugged harbor]

im a strong believer we will see vegapunk bc very long ago in an SBS oda said that VP will eventually come and explain the devil fruits and answer alot of our questions

and timeline wise we dont have much time or arcs left and the only time left that it makes sense is wano

[lucid shale]

Elbaf he could show up

[light steeple]

I think we'll see Vegapunk in the near future, especially seeing how he got name dropped in Wano

[rugged harbor]

after the defeat of kaido either he heard news that momo's fruit worked and wasnt a failure and he went there or he got there to collect kaido's fruit or whatever

thats my theory xD

[lucid shale]

I think after wano it’s going to be a crap show CP-0 relaying the news about the battle

[rugged harbor]

shield is there too giving info directly to the outside world

its not just cp0 , theres a bunch of people that can let literally everyone know ab whats happening in wano

[weary cliff]

Well the way I see it is that this fruit mystery we just got dumped on us very likely will tie into Luffy's awakening. It's also tied to Shanks' history. So the next leg of the journey is where we get the full Shanks experience, and begin to explore the truth of Devil fruits. And that's the time you finally introduce VP

[rugged harbor]

i agree , i just think VP will be before as an opener to that story line while u think it will happen during xD

[light steeple]

maybe Luffy will get back to the rooftop, unlock his awakening, end Act 3, and then we'll cut away from Wano and meet Vegapunk

where he'll talk about the new superweapon which could be devil fruit related

[rugged harbor]

i dont think awakening will be on wano

[lucid shale]

Act 3 ends on despair

If we are following a kabuki play

[rugged harbor]

didnt despair already happen tho? with yasuie's death and the plans going to shit and luffy getting jailed etc.... @lucid shale

[lucid shale]

Acts 1 and 3 copy each other

4 is redemption and 5 is celebration

[weary cliff]

How does the tragedy at Wano relate VP intermission?

[timid fossil]

if someone will show new power in wano it will be zoro i guess to me we dont see a lot about zoro

[rugged harbor]

@timid fossil well we already got a power up for zoro , with kaido revealing that he has conquerors

[lucid shale]

Well he does have it but he can’t control it

[weary cliff]

Not to mention Enma, rumble ball upgrade, Zeus-tact, haki emission. Wano is the land of powerups

[rugged harbor]

but to say only he will get a power up thats kinda weird since nami just got a power up , and chopper got a power up

[lucid shale]

Zoro power up is enma

[rugged harbor]

ayo @weary cliff stop saying the same shit i say at the same time so many times

[lucid shale]

Lol

[timid fossil]

for me he is not show enma s full potential

[rugged harbor]

shit happened like 7 times the past 2 days

[lucid shale]

I mean tanking a duo yonko attack and ashura attack having conquerors I think those are solid power ups

[weary cliff]

True. He won't until it's a black blade. But that's more like an end game power up. Just having the sword is great for now

[rugged harbor]

i mean the conqueror stuff isnt really a power up bc he used ashura for a long time , its just a reveal
but it will lead to power ups since now zoro can learn to control conq like luffy did while training with rayleigh

[lucid shale]

I think his black blade will be Kuina sword

[weary cliff]

That's true if it just has to be one. I can see it being all 3

[lucid shale]

I think it will be one due to his emotional connection

[timid fossil]

@lucid shale i tihnk its kitetsu i dont know why but i think kitetsu s have very big role in one piece

[rugged harbor]

yeah exactly , it can be every fuckin sword he touches if he really wants to

[lucid shale]

How many does Mihawk have?

[errant oxide]

Why can’t Robin just put a hand in someone’s throat and kill them like that… or pull out their heart or something

[lucid shale]

Cause then we wouldn’t have a series to read

[weary cliff]

Just the one. The dagger was regular iirc

[rugged harbor]

yeah the dagger was regular on purpose , he uses it to defeat weaker opponents as a way to "look down on them"

[lucid shale]

One last question what ever happened to Rogers sword ? And was that a black blade? I know we are getting info about it on July 2nd I believe

[weary cliff]

Who knows. Maybe it's a grave marker at LT

[rugged harbor]

my theory about that is that shanks uses it now and he inherited it from roger

[lucid shale]

That’s what I thought but I believe the handles are different not saying he can’t change it or anything but that’s what I’ve been mentally telling my self

[rugged harbor]

but then the flashback happened

exactly , i realized during the latest flash back that they dont fuckin look the same 😂

so i dont mention that one anymore

[lucid shale]

Plus shanks wasn’t with him on his last voyage

Scopper could still have it on the oro Jackson if that’s still a thing

[rugged harbor]

well , we'll see i guess

[lucid shale]

If there’s one person showing up at end of wano I hope it’s him

[weary cliff]

I hope we see the mystery man from the twin capes

[rugged harbor]

i mean that blade went on against one of the supreme blades (WB's mura whatever the fuck it is )

so we can only assume its a great sword at the very least , no?

[lucid shale]

The vivre card book coming out this week explains Rogers sword

[rugged harbor]

wait imma fuckin google it

Murakumogiri , thats the name

[lucid shale]

I’ll get the link I have to search on Twitter

[rugged harbor]

nah i meant the WB weapon

[lucid shale]

Ah ok

[rugged harbor]

i forgot it halfway through the name LOL

its too much shit man , my brain cant keep up 😭

[lucid shale]

Understandable

[analog cobalt]

I wonder who had Mihawk’s sword before him, unless he forged it himself

[lucid shale]

He forged it himself I believe

[analog cobalt]

Ah, thank you

[lucid shale]

I think you can only make 1 black blade

[rugged harbor]

i was more thinking that he took an old blade and modified it / reforged it

[lucid shale]

It has to do with some form of haki and emotional attachment is what I believe

That’s why I think kuina sword will be Zoro only black blade

Ryuma was able to make 1 black blade

Mihawk has 1 black blade I believe

[analog cobalt]

Will luffy has his own sword 🤔

[lucid shale]

No he would just punch people with it

[analog cobalt]

Didn’t he use a sword in the coliseum

[lucid shale]

He also used a blade in wano and was punching people with it

[analog cobalt]

Every cool character has a cool sword

[hazy ferry]

serious answers pls, what were the rebuttals for crocodile being luffy's mom?

[weary cliff]

He doesn't match what Oda's said about her. Ofc he could be joking, but it's not hard to imagine her as a female Garp with a perm

[arctic patrol]

You gotta also wonder why would his mom try to kill him?

[hazy ferry]

wasnt garp's son dragon though?

[arctic patrol]

Yeah, Dragon is Garp's son.

[weary cliff]

(Not in my headcanon)

[pure raven]

chapter 1018 is this week right?

[hazy ferry]

oh maybe crocodile didnt know ut was him, i found this theory on tumblr thats pretty convincing https://mendekouze.tumblr.com/post/655273767797506048

[tropic ridge]

i think that the one piece is zoro's first sword

[arctic patrol]

A theory I've been thinking about is : What if Joy Boy was at the Ancient Kingdom before it got destroyed and that's where they created the poneglyphs? And while he was there, the 20 kingdoms came and attacked. Joy Boy, before he was killed, asked the person to write an apology on his behalf to the Mermaid Princess stating he was sorry that he couldn't keep their end of the agreement.

[rain plover]

grand fleet comin thru to finsih off CP0

[rain plover]

Bruh this theory is not great and has bonbarded this channel and others endlessly

[coarse hinge]

How about Gomu Gomu awakening potential? What it'll be happens?

[dense wing]

Rubber world maybe, but not in Wano

[smoky basin]

About the awakening it's been theorized that luffy would turn the area around him into rubber, like katakuri and doffy.
Speaking of that i was pondering on the importance of Luffy's fruit 12 years ago and why they are not pursuing him like madmen right now.
If it's the same fruit someone really powerful used to have in the past, i feel the W.G. would be all over him since the first news of a rubber dude going around appeared, right?
So i was thinking it's something a bit more relative to the time it was stolen.
12 Years ago Roger was already dead and the top pirate was...Whitebeard, who had the quake fruit.
Can you guys see what i'm thinking about?
If the government had the rubber fruit and gave it to someone who could master it + awaken it (maybe they have some other ways to awaken it, i feel it's the weakest part of this "theory") they could nullify Whitebeard's 'Power to destroy the world' and leave him without the destructive area-of-effect that the quake fruit gives.
Maybe that was the idea?They were trying to give it to some up-and-coming strong government/marine official so they could tailor a counter to Whitebeard?
It feels a bit stretchy but that's the only thing i can think since they are not pursuing him like he has a super important treasured fruit all of the series..
What do you guys think?

[coarse hinge]

When you think it makes a sense Gomu Gomu fruit wanted by WG?
Since immune to blunt attack, Robin clutch/Hana Hana, Tremor/Gura Gura, Raging Tiger/Gravity, Lightning, Ice break (as long he mantain rubber trait), etc.

[coarse hinge]

Being sticky & raw rubber concept would good too.

[smoky basin]

Yeah that also makes sense, it's a really good 'tanking' fruit

[lucid shale]

The whole region where Blackbeard was born never sleeps I forgot who mentioned it on drum island I think Luffy mentioned it not 100% sure

[proud crystal]

It was Luffy, yeah
He and Sanji discussed it briefly

[mystic crown]

Okay im sure where all sick of the haki vs devil fruit debates and gomu gomu fruit predicitions so heres a fun one. I predict that at the final was luffy will fall out of the sky with his whole fleet similar to marineford. Now by this time luffy will have awakened his bounce house. If he made the ground elastic and someone hit it with enough force, like a trampoline it would catapult everything into the air creating an entrance to rival and overshadow whitebeards

[strong heath]

anybody wanna hear an anazing theory

[coarse hinge]

What?

[near path]

What do ya all think dragons power is?

[rigid wadi]

Wind-related fruit

[near path]

Yeh, I think the same. I was having an online convo about his power, but nobody agreed, so I came for confirmation here

[analog cobalt]

Air-air

[near path]

Air-Air. I like it

[analog cobalt]

Is dragon’s “evilness” comparable to roger’s?

[strong heath]

it’s so good

basically dragon is the strongest he’s the son of stronger marine who rivalled roger father of future king of pirates he’s the most wanted man also i think he has a thunderbird mythical zoan fruit hence the storm in logue town and why blackbeard talks about him and why he destroyed baltigo so he can find dragon he’s complety opposing world goverment he has to be strong or he would of been assisted by know he has highest bounty probaly and also sabo can take on admiral imagine him he was probaly a marine who trained with sakazuki and overpowers him shows why sakazuki after luffy so much cause of drsgon being strong and when dragon found out about the governments way he left and tried to create his own army that’s why he lost all ties with garp as he stepped down from navy his strength is prime roger and whitebeard power also you know garp forced the marine life on luffy i think he did that to dragon and and dragon and he became strong and his rival was akainu but dragon left the navy as soon as he found out how corrupt they where i think there relationship is similar to how coby and helmeppo will become as. coby sides with luffy a. bit this is why dragons always after luffy seeking revenge on his enemy’s son also you know how coby is a marine cause of luffy i think rogers the reason why dragon created his army as he gave him hope just like luffy did with coby and also told him about the void century after hearing about dragons ideals this is why dragon was at his funuereal paying respects

[pure raven]

The question is why luffy’s fruit was so important that the world government would want to keep him.
Here a stupid theory
the gum gum no who is the natural rival of the gura gura no mi
Because rubber is not affected by the earthquakes and abilities of the gura devil fruit, IMO the world government wanted the fruit either to stop the gura gura fruit or to go to Vega Punk and replicate the fruit with him, because this fruit is somehow special according to what we understood.

Luffy's fruit could stop Whitebird's fruit, and the government really needed Luffy's fruit because whitebeard’sfruit could destroy the world, and they needed Luffy’s fruit to stop it.
And now the fruit in Blackbeard’s hands the last pirate that Luffy will fight against, and the gura fruit is crazy and no one can stop the power of this fruit, so obviously Luffy's fruit will have to counter it because otherwise there is no way Luffy will defeat Blackbeard .., and also because Shanks Stole it can be because he knew Blackbeard was planning to take whitebeard’s fruit somehow, so he wanted to eat luffy’s fruit or let lucky roo the fruit so he could defeat Blackbeard, but in the end Luffy accidentally ate the fruit for him, which is why Shanks sacrifice his hand, because if not,
Luffy was dead and the fruit would have disappeared to another random place in the world, and maybe Blackbeard would have found Luffy's fruit.
In dressrosa arc ,Blackbeard's right-hand man burgess said he wanted Luffy's fruit, probably for Blackbeard .
Because Luffy's fruit is the key to defeating Blackbeard .
What do you think about the theory?😹

[smoky basin]

that's like the theory i posted before, right?

[crimson geyser]

I dont think Luffy will go straight to laugh tale after wano

[analog cobalt]

No one does bruh

[weary cliff]

He can't anyways lol

[humble yew]

Yeah

[crimson geyser]

yh he doesnt have the poneglyphs

I think he might retravel the places he's already been

[strong heath]

was my theory good guys

[analog cobalt]

Nah

[crimson geyser]

what were they?

[strong heath]

basically dragon is the strongest he’s the son of stronger marine who rivalled roger father of future king of pirates he’s the most wanted man also i think he has a thunderbird mythical zoan fruit hence the storm in logue town and why blackbeard talks about him and why he destroyed baltigo so he can find dragon he’s complety opposing world goverment he has to be strong or he would of been assisted by know he has highest bounty probaly and also sabo can take on admiral imagine him he was probaly a marine who trained with sakazuki and overpowers him shows why sakazuki after luffy so much cause of drsgon being strong and when dragon found out about the governments way he left and tried to create his own army that’s why he lost all ties with garp as he stepped down from navy his strength is prime roger and whitebeard power also you know garp forced the marine life on luffy i think he did that to dragon and and dragon and he became strong and his rival was akainu but dragon left the navy as soon as he found out how corrupt they where i think there relationship is similar to how coby and helmeppo will become as. coby sides with luffy a. bit this is why dragons always after luffy seeking revenge on his enemy’s son also you know how coby is a marine cause of luffy i think rogers the reason why dragon created his army as he gave him hope just like luffy did with coby and also told him about the void century after hearing about dragons ideals this is why dragon was at his funuereal paying respects

[analog cobalt]

Stop dude

[midnight pendant]

i saw this theory on reddit too

[analog cobalt]

No need to post it twice

[smoky basin]

i guess we all had the same thought lol

[analog cobalt]

Guys what if dragon and roger are the same person!!!!!!

[trim flicker]

Luffy meets dragon or usop meets yasop. Which are you guys more hyped for?

[analog cobalt]

Luffy already met dragon, so the latter

[strong heath]

roger told dragon about void century and motivated him to start the revolutionary arm

[smoky basin]

dragon vs yasopp fight, usopp can kill one of them

[trim flicker]

Ik what you mean, but thats not what i mean

[strong heath]

very similar to how coby and luffy relationship started it’s all foreshadowing baby

dragons strength is probaly the same as prime roger or wb has to be

[crimson geyser]

I think Akainu will kill Garp and that will be the start of the final arc

[analog cobalt]

There’s like no evidence of this

[humble yew]

-Part of me doesn't want to see Elbaf. It just seems like it could never live up to its expectations, ya know?
Same goes for the One Piece, I guess. There's been so many theories and hype about it, so how could it possibly measure up to those hopes?
I hope Oda can measure up to these expectations, I really don't want it to end like GOT did

[analog cobalt]

No, just nah

[crimson geyser]

y not?

[strong heath]

nope

[visual plinth]

There's no reason dragon HAS to be that strong lol

[analog cobalt]

I think sabo and dragon are really close in strength levels

[strong heath]

there is lol he’s the person opposing the world goverment directly he’s in his prime son of strongest marine and father of king of pirates

[trim flicker]

That wont be an issue unless toei decides to just ovwrwrite oda and make their own ending

[crimson geyser]

nah

[strong heath]

nope drsgon is a different breed

[analog cobalt]

strongest
Nah

[strong heath]

you can tell 20 years just for him to be not the strongest lol

[analog cobalt]

Garp is definitely up there but I don’t think he’s the strongest

[crimson geyser]

Top 3 of STs? behind luffy

[trim flicker]

Yeah from what weve seen i think its implied that dragon is around admiral level, maybe yonko even

[midnight pendant]

why didnt dragon also go to that important mission in marijoe along with sabo and others

[visual plinth]

Garp is not the strongest

[analog cobalt]

^

[strong heath]

he rivalled roger

he was the strongest known he’s old

[analog cobalt]

And? Not the strongest

[strong heath]

i recon he can take rayleigh on god if he can rival roger and beat rocks with him of course

[trim flicker]

I still think garp probably beats any marine 1v1. Even akainu, but they probably both die after

[crimson geyser]

yh he's kinda was

[strong heath]

we just haven’t seen garps full power

[analog cobalt]

You just clownin around now

[trim flicker]

Akainu vs garp at marineford i think garp really woulda killed him

[strong heath]

in the final war or wano war everything willl come into motion

[analog cobalt]

You guys really are clowns wow

[strong heath]

nope you are

[crimson geyser]

Roger said he had to copy big moms Poneglyph by force and imagine if Garp rivalled roger he had to be that strong

[analog cobalt]

Nah

[strong heath]

garp was the same strength as roger nigga your being stupid

omg how can he rival and fight him and survive that many times if they weren’t on similar skill levels

[analog cobalt]

Bruh

[analog cobalt]

I’m not denying that

[humble yew]

K

[crimson geyser]

I think we already know what might hapen after wano

[analog cobalt]

A couple of marines have or had similar skill levels

[strong heath]

imagine how strong dragon is his father rivalled roger same strength and his son will become future king of pirstes they would show his powers just for him to be not the strongest

you have to use your brain

[analog cobalt]

Then why aren’t you?

[smoky basin]

i mean...why would dragon be strong just because his father was

[analog cobalt]

^

[smoky basin]

dragon seems more of a elusive + lots of info/spies all over the world guy

[analog cobalt]

I think his strength is comparable to sabo’s

[strong heath]

your so disabled dumb

[smoky basin]

could he be strong?yeah, sure, but nothing points to that at the moment

[strong heath]

if you infer

[visual plinth]

Don't be disappointed when he's just not that strong I'm expecting him to on the same level or around kizaru

[strong heath]

we will see wanna bet

[visual plinth]

No?

[vestal rampart]

yo yo yo, whats going on here? any good theories?

[strong heath]

he will be the strongest

guys can i resend my theory for straw hat ryry

[vestal rampart]

or you can just respond to it for me lol

[analog cobalt]

Dude is arguing a baseless claim

[vestal rampart]

ahhh, he just dmed me

im not sure if im on board with the theory. it's certainly interesting but I don't think its too realistic

[smoky basin]

there are some theories up there before he started the dragon thing about why the gomu gomu is important

[vestal rampart]

not a bad back up to the theory but im not sure what it has to do with garp lmao @strong heath

or atleast why he would get killed by akainu

[strong heath]

ik

that was accident i copied someone by accident

[vestal rampart]

lol

[compact glade]

Luffy meets dragon 100%

Wanna see them interact

[compact glade]

Ehh

I expect him to be stronger

[strong heath]

yeah exactly

he’s like a yonko level or above

[echo meteor]

dragon will be overpowered especially with the wind logia

[visual plinth]

Usopp meeting yasopp gonna be more exciting tbh I doubt luffy's gonna really care about his father lol he's luffy

[oak mural]

ra army is a imp for the final war so luffy gonna meet dragon

[compact glade]

He might not really care but doesent mean it will be less interesting

[trim flicker]

Too chicken to put a hard R?

[visual plinth]

I'm just more excited for usopp meeting his father

[compact glade]

I expect some backstory

[echo meteor]

shanks and luffy reunion would be dope

[compact glade]

Yo bruh tf

[strong heath]

i wanna see yassop and us soo reaction the most

[compact glade]

Where the mods at

[strong heath]

i wanna see yassop reaction to his son having a higher bounty and being stronger than him

i’m black it’s fine and it’s just a word @compact glade stop being childish

[compact glade]

Nah bro I think you are the childish one for getting mad in the first place

[strong heath]

my bad

[echo meteor]

the real question is will usoop get conqueror's

[analog cobalt]

Nah

[strong heath]

sorry know can we talk bout theories

i think there no all blue but when luffy breaks the redline all the fishes will mix and come together

[echo meteor]

raftel could be in the middle of reverse mountain, which is technically all blue

[compact glade]

Which forms the all blue

[echo meteor]

this could mean luffy sanji and brooke can finally have their dreams come true

[strong heath]

ya

[analog cobalt]

Dreams are a big theme in One Piece

[strong heath]

yep

wano is long for no reason it ain’t even the final arc to

[compact glade]

Nah wano is gonna have some big shit

Oda wouldn't make a arc this long if it had no meaning or long term help for the future

[strong heath]

yh

[analog cobalt]

Usopp’s dream has already been reached

[strong heath]

i think ussoop will die a brave warrior of the sea

[analog cobalt]

I think that the samurai will be permanent allies of the straw-hats

[compact glade]

Like luffy learned how to coat himself in conqueres haki, we might get yamato as a straw hat, we might get kaido flash back we probably gonna get a rocks pirates flash back alongside

[strong heath]

and at the end he will use conquerour haki to save a crew members life and die

[analog cobalt]

I don’t think Usopp will die until after the story ends

[trim flicker]

Just cause youre black doesnt mean you can say that shit to the rest of us. Im mixed and guess what, that word aint in my vocab

[compact glade]

If they survive sure bro

[echo meteor]

oda said he wanted to draw wano for 20 years so imo its gonna be very relavent to the endgame

[strong heath]

bro it’s just a word don’t be silly i apologised to

[analog cobalt]

I mean the few that do

[strong heath]

r

[compact glade]

I mean they will be allies but they might not appear again cause they will be in the land of wano with momo protecting it

I dont think they want to leave wano after what happened with kaido

[strong heath]

it’s annoying how the straw hats

[analog cobalt]

I mean kaido won’t be a problem

[strong heath]

haven’t found a fruit and they’ve been exploring forever ♾

[compact glade]

Yeah but they don't want a situation like that to happen ever again

So they will probably stay there to make sure it never happens again

[strong heath]

i got a manga edit for luffy beating kaido cause i got bored

[compact glade]

Unless the straw hats put wano under their protection

[trim flicker]

Ik its probably not gonna happen but when luffy beata kaido, i want him to respect luffy and possibly come back to help at some point. He seemed to respect oden even in death