manga-theories

[neon shoal]

Wait what exactly happened to sabo during reverie?

[midnight pendant]

mystery

[tame steeple]

Got caught at Alabasta

[pastel summit]

I never said he stole it for money??? I said there could be other reasons he attacked the ship.

[tropic cape]

Well you weren't the only person I was responding to lmao

[pastel summit]

this was in a conversation with me, so you kind of were. You directly replied to me.

[tropic cape]

I was mainly responding to Laww

[neon shoal]

Everyone is like’ “ say it not so sabo!?”, “this is sabo we’re talking about, there must be a reason for this!!! Like how come not revealed

[zinc iris]

I doubt shanks was going to use the DF considering how his crew valued swimming
It was precious loot regardless

[nimble hinge]

Don't think it does at all. Even hers reads as, they've just found out he's alive and immediately gotten bad news. This could be anything. Imprisonment being the obvious one that fits with their reaction

[weary cliff]

The fruit being special feels like what's going to happen. It's bizarre that the minor mystery of Who's Who was answered with this bigger mystery tied to Luffy, to not go anywhere.

I likewise agree that probably means there's more to Shanks' involvement than what we've been shown. Although admittedly what we do know doesnt even slightly indicate that it was important to Shanks

[tame steeple]

How did Shanks get the DF I honestly don’t remember

[tropic cape]

I agree 100%. I think every aspect of that plot is active rather than Shanks being a plot device of power to further the story of WW losing a df and getting imprisoned.

[scenic thicket]

lucky roux stole it frm who’s who

[tame steeple]

Ooooo

Do you guys think shanks can beat Kaido???

[midnight pendant]

he did during marineford

[outer locust]

[weary cliff]

Well we dont know exactly that yet. It just would be weird if there was a middle man that stole from who's who and then got stolen from by roux lol

[midnight pendant]

he made him stop going there

[nimble hinge]

I don't see how other possibilities than the fruit being special and the goal, wouldn't also make the plot active. I get having a theory, but ignoring other possibilities despite them having just as much reasoning is so poor for discussions

[pastel summit]

The fruit being special feels like what's going to happen. It's bizarre that the minor mystery of Who's Who was answered with this bigger mystery tied to Luffy to not go anywhere.
It'll go somewhere, but I don't think the fruit is all there is to the story, nor is it even the focal point. WW wasn't branded as a CP9 agent who failed his job, he was branded as a CP9 agent who went rogue, was captured then broke out. The fruit may have had some importance to who/where it was being transported to, but I do not think the fruit itself is special.

[rigid wadi]

No

[scenic thicket]

he literally stopped kaido from intercepting whitebeard before marine ford

he can match him and come out from it unharmed

[tame steeple]

That was a face off they didn’t actually fight

But Shanks is the strongest Haki user soooo

[weary cliff]

My issue with that is if there's no additional significance to the gomu gomu, then this entire development only serves to build up a supporting villain that we'll probably never see again. It would be like if Senior Pink's flashback was somehow tied to a SH in a mundane way

[rigid wadi]

Until Oda decides to Show Shanks powers, My bets are on Kaido xd

[scenic thicket]

i just hope it’s significance is something we aren’t thinking abt

[pastel summit]

How? It is like, the first bit of Shanks development we've ever got. The story is likely going to lead into why a notorious pirate was randomly chilling the in East Blue for over a year. This is almost certainly Shanks backstory more than WW backstory

[weary cliff]

I can agree to that. At the moment the fruit and Luffy are being focused on much more than Shanks. WW didnt even mention who took it from him. But naturally we'll hear more about it from Shanks.

In the meantime it does raise the questions about the gomu gomu, though, intentionally even

[pastel summit]

I don't think 2 panels really qualifies as focus

[nimble hinge]

People had theories about the fruit. We get this chapter, and in their minds they've already confirmed their theories.

[weary cliff]

More so than Shanks because WW is talking about Luffy. He's the connection between him and Jinbei after all. So whatever Shanks' involvement was is glossed over. Not to mention the little editor comment that highlights the importance of the fruit specifically

[pastel summit]

because the chapter ended. also, editor comments are a meme.

[weary cliff]

Maybe. They can be played straight too

I'm personally biased against anything that paints Luffy as the chosen one, but even still that's just the way this feels like it's being framed

[pastel summit]

because we have 2 panels and thats it. This is like basing why Kaido was going after the scabbards because of what they said in Zou, when that was barely ever relevant.

[nimble hinge]

Biased against? Aren't you arguing for that very thing?

[pastel summit]

it was intentionally framed that way, but it was not even a focal point of the larger story.

[weary cliff]

Because that's the way the evidence feels to me. Up until 1014 I would earnestly argue against Luffy as Joyboy, but the writing is on the wall with that too

[nimble hinge]

I feel like people took the wrong things out of this chapter. The big story should be that CP9 was in East Blue for some reason. And instead it's becoming about Luffy's fruit being special and that's why shanks stole it. Even though that contradicts shanks behaviour at the time

Luffy has been painted as joy boy since Fishman Island. It's just another aspect of inherited will, which has been a core theme throughout the series

[pastel summit]

I will play a bit of devil's advocate there and say we do not definitively know they were in east blue. Although I believe it's HIGHLY likely they were in East Blue, Shanks could've still gone through the calm belt into the grand line and came back.

[nimble hinge]

Fair enough. Although then not being in EB is very unlikely as its almost impossible to track someone in the Grand Line

[pastel summit]

Yeah. I am not ruling it out, but I do think it's no coincidence that Shanks stayed in East Blue for a year, attacks a govt/govt related ship and leaves shortly afterwards.

My current idea is that the ship was going to or coming from tequila wolf

[midnight pendant]

whats tequila wolf

[pastel summit]

the big bridge

[nimble hinge]

He doesn't even leave right after. If the fruit was his goal, he would have just left after he got it. He continues doing whatever he was doing even after getting the fruit

He goes on another expedition, right after getting the fruit.

[pastel summit]

he did leave shortly after. He left once, came back, gave luffy his hat then left for good

[nimble hinge]

I mean leave as in permanently. If the fruit was his goal he'd leave permanently after getting it

[weary cliff]

He said he had 2-3 expeditions planned. I'd take everything in chapter 1 with a grain of salt, though. All it takes is a flashback to recontextualize things a little

[modest sandal]

can someone explain to me the difference between inherited will vs pre destiny

[weary cliff]

Inherited will isn't anything to do with predestiny. It's just like picking up the same ambition as someone who came before you

[modest sandal]

oh

[waxen dust]

Inherited Will is more so the act of taking on someone elses goals and dreams, etc. While Pre Destiny is just a predetermined notion the individual has no control over

[weary cliff]

The confusion comes because it seems like Luffy was predestined to inherit the will of Joyboy, given how there's this whole prophecy that we're learning about

[ember trench]

A lot of it is up to interpretation but the two go hand in hand. Seems to me like there is some kind of golden rule of the universe that pushes things in a certain direction for predetermined events. And it doesn’t seem to conflict with free will or personal freedom either.

[modest sandal]

im gonna be honest imo i dont want luffy to be joyboy because it feels somewhat as a predestined type of away the only way i'll accept it if joyboy was a title and there s mutiple candidates

[ember trench]

It is destiny

The farther the story goes on the more clear it becomes that it is Luffy period

[weary cliff]

Yamato pretty much confirmed it, on top of the mountain of evidence that had been building

[ember trench]

I would just embrace it

[waxen dust]

I think that’s what’s happening here which explains why Imu associates both Luffy & Blackbeard wanted posters together

[ember trench]

It’s not a bad direction for the story at all and these themes have been building for a long time

[modest sandal]

im gonna try to embrace as best as possible because i have trust and oda and ik he's not gonna a pull a kishimoto

[weary cliff]

That's the best way to go about it

[ember trench]

There is a huge difference between the way these themes are presented between One Piece and ‘other series’

[modest sandal]

can you explain

[ember trench]

One Piece’s entire story is built around it from the beginning, the idea of their being some kind of great force uniting all of the world through their dreams and wills across time as long as the desire for freedom exists and Luffy being this golden child who will bring a positive change to the world and it never preaches for the reverse or against it.

Other series is... yeah

I don’t want to talk about it here

Also with One Piece these ideas have been building and escalating over the course of the entire series

It’s not suddenly being dropped on us and forcing us to accept them

[modest sandal]

thanks you for explaining because i dont wanna have a sour taste in my mouth because of the ignorance of me not understanding

[livid cypress]

I saw a tiktok on a theory that sounded really credible, the only downside of it was that it was stated he became admiral during 2 year timeskip but its worth the watch

[ember trench]

Oda will have something interesting to say about fate and predestination when Blackbeard takes center stage since these principles apply to him as well and he is much more vocal about his belief in destiny

another thing is the possibility of failure exists. The first Joyboy failed after all. Whatever was supposed to happen didn’t work “the first time.”

So it’s not like everything is set in stone

[sand sail]

Either didn't work, or they didn't get to it in time, to be fair

[pastel summit]

I don't understand this interpretation, because it's not really some "greater force" because it all ties back to Roger inspiring the era. Is Luffy doing this without Roger ever bringing up this notion of "You want to do it? Do it. Become the Pirate King, find One Piece"? Idk about that. Which is more about inherited will, less so some "force" that compels Luffy to do it, it's Roger intentionally getting people to do it. and whoever was appropriate to do it, would likely eventually do it.

[ember trench]

But who inspired Roger?

[pastel summit]

joyboy

[ember trench]

There you go

[pastel summit]

but that's still inherited will, not some greater force of fate

[ember trench]

It’s both

It all goes back to Joyboy... and then what came before Joyboy?

[normal plume]

Ohh speaking of Joyboy

Anyone else think that Zunisha was punished for walking for walking thousands of years because he was Joyboys pet?

[ember trench]

Point is there is something greater out there connecting people and their ideas, dreams, wills across the passage of time. It’s not literally some alien “force” moving people like automations.

[pastel summit]

You can maybe argue Roger went to Laugh Tale because of "fate" which imo is cringe, he went there because he wanted to go there. Someone was eventually going to go there, because there was specific messaging left that enabled people to go there. It's not fate if it's intentional for someone to eventually do it.

[ember trench]

Luffy is moved by it too without knowing it

[pastel summit]

But it's not, it's literally historic messaging that connects them. Does Roger know about One Piece because of "something greater" or does he know about it because joyboy and the people of the ancient kingdom left specific messaging about it?

[ember trench]

As was Roger and likely Joyboy

[normal plume]

There’s an element of fate mixed within strong intention

[ember trench]

Luffy is fulfilling some grand design without knowing it

[pastel summit]

Robin is fulfulling some grand design while knowing it.

[ember trench]

It’s not even just historic messaging. Those are just the clues moving them along the path. Historic messaging didn’t make Luffy the man he is or desire what he does.

[normal plume]

Also it could be that Imu had some prophecy about the gomu gomu no mi or it’s wielder becuase the fruit itself is not that special that or it had a connection to Joyboy a relatively gaining theory now

[ember trench]

It didn’t make his hat exactly like Joyboy’s or give him the Gomu Gomu. That is inherited will and destiny at work.

[normal plume]

Hahaha Shanks at work

He gave the hat. Sparked the resolve by betting an arm and baited Luffy into eating the fruit ..possibly

[pastel summit]

That is inherited will, you haven't made a point about why that is destiny. I'm not going to comment on the gomu gomu stuff until it's clarified, because I don't think that is even related to this conversation at all

[ember trench]

Think what you want

👍

Grand coincidences like this aren’t the work of people sending messages across history

[normal plume]

In One Piece inherited will and destiny are playing the same tune

[pastel summit]

it is weird to act like luffy wasn't inspired by roger and instead is being pushed by "fate" imo

[ember trench]

He was inspired by Shanks. He is unknowingly pushed by fate.

[normal plume]

Exactly

[ember trench]

It’s not like there is a lightbulb in peoples’ heads that goes off like ding fate. It’s more than that.

[normal plume]

The fate and destiny element of OP always sends qualms to some fans but a lot of anime have that concept and I don’t think it takes away from freewill

[pastel summit]

He was inspired by both. He is being pushed by himself. Roger intentionally laid out the path of PK/One Piece because he knew its importance.

[ember trench]

Yes and he was supposed to do that

[pastel summit]

...???

[normal plume]

Hahaha he played the WG brilliantly to forge the path and Shanks did the rest to see its fruition through

[ember trench]

His sacrifice inspiring a generation coincidentally just before the birth of someone meant to be Joyboy and Poseidon

[normal plume]

He didn’t really sacrifice, I suppose his pride took a hit if you mean that

[ember trench]

These coincidences are more than just coincidences

[pastel summit]

how is that a coincidence?? lmfao

The only coincidence is him learning about it. but he knew well before he said those things.

[normal plume]

Apoo and Perona? Noo way yuck whyy

[pastel summit]

he just used the knowledge he had, and did something with it. Something he could no longer do, he tried to pass to others.

[ember trench]

Yes, and this happens right around the time it needed to

[normal plume]

Perona and Mihawk. Apoo is just ..He needs to be destroyed

It’s not a coincidence it’s a plan

[ember trench]

Finding out about this information right around the time he could do something about it

[normal plume]

What are even the clear arguments here?

[ember trench]

Then you have Luffy

The king who would be born to guide Poseidon and who bears mementos of Joyboy

Gtg

[normal plume]

Good night ☺️

[tawdry bramble]

Hmmm I’m actually pretty curious about a random detail I read in chapter 925.

In this chapter we find out Blackbeard has info on what’s going on in Wano despite that not being reported.

We also see King chewing out Jack about Doflamingo being gone and “You know who our next business partner is don’t you?”

I’m curious if these two things are related. If not who is the new business partner?

[ember trench]

Mmm nah their new business partner wouldn’t be an enemy emperor

[tawdry bramble]

You say that but they also literally just allied with another enemy emperor this arc.

Though there are still quite a few silhouettes from the broker meeting we haven’t had paid off so it could be any of them.

[pastel summit]

it was reported

[ember trench]

Yeah but that’s also a bizzarity itself

[tawdry bramble]

How was it reported that they were traveling to Wano?

[pastel summit]

Big Mom spoke to Kaido on a public channel, and she said she was going there to kill Luffy

[tawdry bramble]

He mentions other supernova other than Luffy gathering there.

But sure not the most compelling argument overall

[pastel summit]

well, presumably it was reported that Kid was defeated by Kaido? Law and Luffy alliance was publicly known, so we have that. Drake being in Kaido's crew was known.

[verbal obsidian]

wha u guys talking bout

[dusky acorn]

Drake retrieving Caribou and both being in Wano was probably known about, that seemed like a public enough mission. Caribou I guess you can also count in as one of those 'young folks with angry blood'

Kid's loss I don't think was made apparent, things inside his own hideout don't make the headlines. He wasn't even meaning for his alliance to be public, but it leaked due to Absalom

Would also be good for Apoo to keep his role as an informant if his betrayal oin those circumstances is unknown

[pastel summit]

I mean, drake was a high ranking officer in Kaido's crew. even without the caribou stuff, that should be known, and not difficult info to obtain.

[dusky acorn]

Oh I know, but hasn't it been stated that it's been a while since the Tobi Roppo have all gotten together?
I took that as meaning they may regularly be out of Wano for long periods of times, depending

The whole Caribou capture just ascertains he'd be in Wano, even though it could already be likely

[dry dirge]

damn I wonder how Oda will write Kin'emon's death

[pure raven]

not happening (please)

[dry dirge]

someone gonna die

and will Shiki appear in Wano or after

[limpid sequoia]

kiku and kanjuro are already dead, Kinemon just gotta say one more one liner to someone before he actually dies

[dry dirge]

he gonna die in mononosuke's company

WB pirates gonna join the straw hat alliance

Zoro vs King after he receives the medicine

[dark oasis]

Any theories on the previous gomu-gomu holder

[limpid sequoia]

not any ones with actual evidence yet

[real cairn]

there's a lot actually but pure headcanon lol

[rugged harbor]

Again , why does it have to be a person?
Maybe it's important bc of its awakening or bc of a special ability we don't know about like the ope ope no mi's surgery
Or it could be as simple as vegapunk needed it for his research cause it's easier to replicate than other fruits

It doesn't have to be an important person , it can be that it did an important thing regardless of the holder

And for those who will say "wouldn't the holder be important if it did an important feat?"
I say the special abilities usually end up killing the user so no , doesn't have to be
Could be as simple as the WG gave the fruit to a slave or whatever , made him use the power and instantly die and got the fruit back for whenever they needed to do it again

[wispy escarp]

inb4 gomu gomu slingshot to the moon

[dry dirge]

tbh bar any special hidden features of the gomu gomu no mi, i would think it was eaten by roger at one point which would make it special

[wispy escarp]

There’s no way, someone would’ve said something by now

[dry dirge]

yeah lol

yeah i have no idea what special hidden features rubber would have

[wispy escarp]

It’s a hard counter to ancient weapons maybe, he can just bounce it back

Would require awakening though, doubt Luffy could just repel it with the typical Gomu Gomu no Fuusen

[rugged harbor]

Luffy encountered all the white beard pirates including wb himself , garp is his grandfather who was present at godvalley
3 members of the rocks pirates who were fighting Roger at godvalley and the list goes on
To think Roger had it and none of them said anything is just impossible

[dry dirge]

yes i agree now that I've thought about it LOL

maybe it let's him become a giant

[rugged harbor]

Same thing applies to the theory that xebec had it

[dry dirge]

pseudo-giant

[rugged harbor]

Only person I'd consider is joyboy and even then it's a stretch (pun intended)

[dry dirge]

mmmm xebec having it...

i mean it's way more probable than roger having it

xebec is super hush hush secret

[rugged harbor]

Doesn't work bc his crew members didn't say anything and kaido even made fun of it , making it even less possible xD

[dry dirge]

damn that's facts tho smh

ok yeah it must have some secret ability

[rugged harbor]

He said "what was it , gomu gomu something?" While laughing at Luffy and throwing him off onigashima to be exact

[dry dirge]

i'm sticking with it let's him become a pseudo-giant

[hazy ferry]

the roger gomu gomu idea is too cliche in my opinion, he already shares his straw hat, his personality, and like a billion other connections, making something so fundamentally luffy like his devil fruit also relating to roger would simply overdo it and create an even bigger rabbit hole like how roger uses it and who uses it better and why didnt one come up with technigues the other did yadda yadda. Xebex having it does make more sense(though why doesnt the world government do anything then cause would that not be evn more of a threat).

[rugged harbor]

i dont think someone having the fruit before him adds anything to the story

Even if it's the most legendary pirate in history , what does that add?

Absolutely nothing , a secret power makes alot more sense

Since it's a direct power up to Luffy which he needs to beat kaido/BB/the marines

Maybe he already knows it from training with Rayleigh , but it's like if he uses it the negatives are extreme type of thing so he never used it before

Same as gear 4 prior to dressrosa

[dry dirge]

gear 5 will totally be applying conqueror's haki

[rugged harbor]

maybe its what luffy calls gear 5

the secret power up 🤔

cause there isnt another application of gears left

Adding ryou or coc isn't considered a new gear since he did that already for gear 2 and gear 3 and even gear 4

[dry dirge]

indeed. he prob gonna do something crazy wit it

[rugged harbor]

He already did enlarging his veins, his bones , his muscles

There isn't anything else left xD

[dry dirge]

pseudo-giant

[rugged harbor]

pseudo giant is gear 3

[dry dirge]

bigger

[rugged harbor]

been there , done that

bigger is already possible since the size only depends on how much air luffy blows inside his body

[dry dirge]

buddha form

[rugged harbor]

that one is a maybe , yes but also farfetched bc sengoku exists xD

[limpid sequoia]

I think with this latest chapter, what Hyogoro said about the Wisdom king might have more relevance than we know.

[rugged harbor]

thats what im thinking too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/690187891976175671/858395842569044018/unknown.png?width=968&height=449

this specifically , i cant get out of my head rn xD @limpid sequoia

[limpid sequoia]

living in our heads rent free

[rugged harbor]

why a guardian deity , what does it mean and why that specifically

oda never puts shit like that for no reason xD literally rent free

[dry dirge]

the real question is how is Shanks so strong without a devil fruit

[rugged harbor]

haki , simple as that

[limpid sequoia]

I mean it's almost confirmed that Roger didn't have one

[rugged harbor]

shanks is one of the best haki users on the planet

[dry dirge]

dayum the base innate power structure

[rugged harbor]

why is rayleigh strong without one @dry dirge

literally best haki user alive

[dry dirge]

indeed. I was thinking like tho Shanks is emperor level and what does Shanks' haki ability look like at a level rivaling that of the other emperors with devil fruits

[hazy ferry]

which guardian deity though cause all i can thinm of is that he looks like enel's raijin

[south walrus]

Shanks is only human within the emperors

[dry dirge]

i cannot wait for Luffy to reunite with Shanks and his crew

and to learn the abilities of the Red-Haired Pirates

[granite raptor]

i think they might have a big role when luffy and co might have to fight the world govt

[rugged harbor]

shanks is also at emperor level not just because of his power threat but bc of his knowledge threat
he knows enough shit to take out the WG on his own just through exposing em lmao

[hazy ferry]

yasopp is still alive right? Thats usopp content right there too

[dry dirge]

yasopp reunite with usopp. i'm finna cry

[south walrus]

Emperor level means he governs many territories, right?

[granite raptor]

what if yasopp makes an appearance in elbaf
elbaf is supposed to be usopp's arc anyways

[dry dirge]

i'm thinking tho that Blackbeard's gonna kill Shanks

[granite raptor]

that would be a waste though

[dry dirge]

if the context is that Shanks is Rocks' son who inherited Roger's will and Blackbeard inherited Rocks' will, I feel it would be appropriate

[rugged harbor]

means is one of the biggest threats to the WG

wether its through sheer power like kaido , territory like big mom or knowledge like shanks

[dry dirge]

i mean some people gonna die. I'm just thinking of which ones and how xD

[south walrus]

Indeed, he knows the truth behind the true motives of Roger

[granite raptor]

well tbh i also think shanks might not survive till the end, but him getting killed by bb seems like a waste :/
especially considering people have been waiting for 20 years to see him in proper action

[rugged harbor]

i mean he was on the same ship with like what? 20 people that were on laugh tale itself? also oden's journal
chances are he partially knows the truth ab everything if not all of it

[dry dirge]

well it may very well be that Shanks gets significant attention in the next arc building up to his death

[hazy ferry]

the gorosei seems kinda unphazed by him though, which still doesnt make too much sense cause they seem like the type of people to be extremely on guard even with the shichibukai and other allied pirates and even government officials

[granite raptor]

shanks might have reached laughtale himself too, somehow
he pretty much must have known the route i think

[dry dirge]

I mean I wouldn't think Shanks' death wouldn't be a bombshel

[south walrus]

Not only shanks but also other trusted members like Gaban.

[rugged harbor]

i dont think he will die on the first encounter with BB , i think its gonna be just like the wb pirates vs bb post marineford

it will be a blood bath but they wont die

[dry dirge]

but for sure there is some missing context about Shanks and Blackbeard Oda has yet to reveal

[south walrus]

Im against of the idea that shanks might die on the story

[dry dirge]

one hundo percent-oh

[granite raptor]

shanks' death, whenever or if it happens, will surely be one of the highlights of the series and anime in general, we can be sure of that

[rugged harbor]

dont think so but its safe to assume he knows whats there

[dry dirge]

who do y'all think is gonna die. there will be death!

[rugged harbor]

also would explain why he trusted luffy to reach it

[granite raptor]

we know pretty less about both of them tbh so yea a lot of things are left to reveal and is looking for the perfect time to strike

[south walrus]

Yup on the right time

[rugged harbor]

usopp probs

[dry dirge]

luffy gonna meet Shanks after beating Kaido as fulfillment of his promise to Shanks that when he meets with him again it will be when he'd proved himself as a pirate

[south walrus]

Its 2021 too early? Or not?

[rugged harbor]

both yasopp and usopp dying makes alot of sense to me

[dry dirge]

i don't disagree ):

[granite raptor]

would be a bummer if there isn't xD

[rugged harbor]

yasopp dying in red hairs vs bb and usopp dying in straw hats vs bb makes alot of sense

[dry dirge]

bada bing

[rugged harbor]

both of them dying brave warriors and absolute legends is a great ending to that story

[south walrus]

Usopp's dream

[granite raptor]

usopp should live though
but again, it was his wish to live like a warrior
but a part of me wants usopp to live through and just tell those stories of his adventures
and this time, they aren't lies

[rugged harbor]

yep exactly @south walrus , dying a brave pirate 😄

that theory circulated alot a while ago on reddit

[dry dirge]

the next arc's gonna end with very important deaths setting up for the final arc

[hazy ferry]

also usopp dying would mean the 10 men crew established way in the start and suddenly brought back up again pretty recently would crumble

[rugged harbor]

wano will probs have alot more deaths too

[limpid sequoia]

It's quite easy for Usopp to have that moment and still live, all it really takes is him making a choice to save others even though he knows it will almost definitely kill him, then he'll live somehow that makes sense and we can have that same arc

[shell pilot]

facts

[hazy ferry]

i think kinnemon is definitely dying

[rugged harbor]

i mean yeah but if oda doesnt kill a straw hat its a fuckin scam lmao

deaths are already a joke in the show , we need a main character to die

[shell pilot]

would oda really kill a straw hat? kinemon was a pretty heavy death but like

[dry dirge]

hell yeah oda would

[hazy ferry]

this late in the game though?

[limpid sequoia]

It's a shounen where everyone is involved with every strawhat I don't see a single world where one of them dies before the end of the story

[rugged harbor]

yes , it only makes sense now , since the enemies are a billion times stronger

[rugged harbor]

not before , at the end of the story

[shell pilot]

if usopp dies the ending will hardly be happy they will have to do a funeral and stuff

[limpid sequoia]

then what's the point other than to just shove a death in our face

[granite raptor]

atleast one straw hat should die
possibly the one who has completed his dream

[dry dirge]

also we we don't have confirmation of Bon Kurei

[rugged harbor]

to fullfill his dream , he will always be remembered as a brave warrior if he dies as one

[granite raptor]

that would be a tearjerker

[dry dirge]

we dont' have confirmation of bon kurei's death*

he alive bro I know it

[hazy ferry]

but then the straw hats would have like no time to mourn the member, especially since its a core member of the crew and the cast. Also honestly i hate the idea of 'one of the main cast has to die simply because the main cast cant all live'.

[granite raptor]

he's not dead
in one chapter he was the head of the okamas in impel down floor 5.5

[limpid sequoia]

yeah we see him at some point and know he's at least alive

[granite raptor]

he was shown in the cover if my memory serves me right

[dry dirge]

what a guy. one of my favorite characters

but that begs the question if the government did anything to him up to his reintroduction to the series

[shell pilot]

transphobic celestial dragons

[granite raptor]

i dislike that too but one death of a straw hat, the one who has reached his dreams, would be pretty epic

[rugged harbor]

also what baffles me is a pain in the ass back in the day like hody is probably strength level of what? a gifter?

which wouldnt even survive a gear 2 attack from current luffy nowadays

[granite raptor]

think about arlong

[rugged harbor]

true LOL , arlong would fall to luffy's conq

[shell pilot]

imagine a modern fight with don kreig. he would probably lose a 1v1 with a waiter

[limpid sequoia]

buddy if you're talking just about Hody's strength than you didn't understand just how powerful he was

[rugged harbor]

hody's strength was amplified by the pills , base hody is a joke lmao

[limpid sequoia]

well I guess my point slid right over your smooth brain

[granite raptor]

captain kuroo the genius wont get blitzed by waiters too

*would get blitzed

[shell pilot]

albedo gets blitzed by a rolling exercise ball

[rugged harbor]

yeah okay , he was strong af
but compare to current luffy

[hazy ferry]

i mean if anything, vivi mightttt be the most likely to die. I mean she was recently really focused on, by imu no less. And it would be in line with the 'member who completed their dream bit' cause though unofficial, i think vivi's main dream was to bring peace to alabasta(and the world) and to "stop the fighting" so her dying while ultimately freeing the world from the government's clutches would be really poetic

[rugged harbor]

if u think hody would survive a single gear 4 attack ure just taking the piss lmao

even a gear 2 ryou jet pistol

would legit fuckin delete him from existence as a whole

[limpid sequoia]

Power =/ strength, I'm talking about in the context of the arc Hody was a great villian, because he was a representation of the Fishman's anger and could have changed the whole world by spreading his ideals

[rugged harbor]

yes true but im talking about strength

power scaling to be exact , and how one piece did it right

compare this power scaling to something like naruto lmao
we went from hody being a pain in the ass to him probably being a joke for luffy and getting one shot by a meme attack at this point and that whole power scaling made sense @limpid sequoia

[limpid sequoia]

and I think you earlier statement about the gifters was quite ignorant, because sure in the face of Luffy they don't seem like much but they are a considerable force

[rugged harbor]

@limpid sequoia again im talking about strength , the gifters are strong , probably as strong as one of the older villains thats what im saying
but compared to luffy they are a joke

do u get my point? im not talking about impact on the story , im just talking strength or what is refered to as power level

[hazy ferry]

i mean i think arlong works better there cause he actually understood the pain wheread hody was just some kid who was like "fuck yeah those humans are shit" without really seeing the complexities of the situation. He's basically the tenryuubito but like, in reverse kind of. Though in that sense he does work greats as a villain that encompasses the group that start violence and drama purely because its entertaining

[limpid sequoia]

well I think that was the point, Hody had no secrets linking him to his hatred other than he was taught to hate as a child by Arlong and that's all it took to create a zealot like himself

[rugged harbor]

@hazy ferry but my point is , taken out of context and not considering their backstory or beliefs
look at their strengths and compare

and u'll get my comparison there which dante said i have a "smooth brain" for

[limpid sequoia]

to that point I think you are approaching power scaling in a weird manner where you base them off of one character and not off of the world itself and their impact on it

[hazy ferry]

ah yeah, i was just kind of focusing on whether hody was a good villain conceptually

[rugged harbor]

again im saying out of context @limpid sequoia regardless on impact on the world or backstory or beliefs

just sheer power

ure over complicating it

[limpid sequoia]

well in that context then what's the point, we all know Luffy is going to be #1 by the end of the story

[rugged harbor]

yes obviously but , do u atleast agree the power scaling makes sense even tho out of context it sounds dumb af lmao

cause saying the fuckin main villain of a whole arc back in the day is the strength of a fuckin gifter and it makes sense is incredible story writing

[ancient vault]

!os

[lone hedge]

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[rugged harbor]

one piece had these extremely powerful figures from the very start

[ancient vault]

dont mention other series here

[rugged harbor]

aight but we're just talking ab power scaling

[cyan berry]

Don't powerscale in the theories using other series

[shell pilot]

why so uptight

[rugged harbor]

i used an other theory as an example bc he didnt get my point , stop being a dickhead

[shell pilot]

lol nobody is hurt if someone says naruto in manga channel

[rugged harbor]

we got the point u dont have to continue to shame me for it XD

anyways

i think the power level is not gonna significantly go higher anymore like it did for example like it did between fisherman and dressrosa or dressrosa and wano

[dark oasis]

it obviously belonged to an important person, why else would shanks have acquired it

[hazy ferry]

idk cause he's a pirate?

[rugged harbor]

again , we can go over it
it also couldve done something incredible , doesnt have to be someone it could be something

[limpid sequoia]

well this was before Shanks was a Yonko, it could have easily just been the Red Haired Pirates randomly coming across a WG ship and pillaging it

[rugged harbor]

do u get my point now?

[dark oasis]

this is anime, that's how it usually goes

someone important had it i'd bet anything

[rugged harbor]

it could be important for research , it could be important bc of a secret skill
both of those are things not people @dark oasis and both of those would make it very important for the WG and for shanks

do u get the point now?

or do i explain more? cause i can

[hazy ferry]

though yknow that means a 12 yr-ish pre-yonko shanks + redhair pirates managed to take down a cp9 guarded government ship

[dark oasis]

i'm not disregarding that it's a possibility, it's just a very unlikely one

joyboy had the gomu gomu, calling it now

[rugged harbor]

the government also gives extreme importance for the ope ope no mi that tra has bc of its secret skill since anyone would value immortality
the gov is also after bonney's fruit bc of her ability to control age which is another valuable skill for them @dark oasis

do u get what i mean now? super skills such as those are valued by the WG and the gomu gomu can have one and thats why its so valuable

[rugged harbor]

okay lets say he did , what does that add to the story

literally and absolutely nothing lmao

[dark oasis]

luffy would then be viewed as the second coming of joy boy

[rugged harbor]

to say it had a special skill joyboy used , sure , im all ears

but joyboy has it and thats all? doesnt add jack shit

[limpid sequoia]

Luffy beat Lucci with only a 100 million bounty

[rugged harbor]

making him a prophecy child would ruin the story and limit the reason behind luffy's journey which is freedom and free will

so no , thats not gonna happen lmao

[dark oasis]

you expect way too much from a shounen

[cyan berry]

we would also see the gorosei comment on his fruit if it was that important

since they very clearly know about the void century

[rugged harbor]

exactly , thats why im just leaning more towards "it was important for the vegapunk research"

[limpid sequoia]

we have seen them comment about Luffy before haven't we? and we also see Imu holding his and BB wanted posters

[cyan berry]

never about his fruit

[rugged harbor]

i also expect vegapunk himself to show up by the end of wano ngl

[cyan berry]

if we got anything like "oh he's a rubber man just like...." then maybe i could've seen it happening

but that never happened

[rugged harbor]

yes but never specifically because of the gomu gomu

@cyan berry the only thing close to that we got is this , wait lemme find it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690187891976175671/858395842569044018/unknown.png

[dark oasis]

i think he was referring to Odin there, in that he is facing kaidou in the same way

[cyan berry]

no

[rugged harbor]

@cyan berry this is the only thing close to what u said that we have and its in wano
thats the only reason why im not ruling out the possibility of joyboy having it but again i wanna assume there was a bigger reason that makes him having it an important thing

[ancient vault]

https://twitter.com/EtenBoby/status/1305295109110616068

Eten (@EtenBoby)

In this chapter Hyogoro compared Luffy’s Bounce-Man form to a guardian deity(Wisdom King), and in the current Wano, Kaido is also considered to be a deity that protects the country.
So it’s not just the battle between two kings of beasts, but also two guardian deities!

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I remember this. Deity vs Deity

[limpid sequoia]

I think maybe with references to the Gomu Gomu no mi that what Hyogoro said means more than just him commenting on his looks, I don't know quite how yet but we might learn more come endgame

[rugged harbor]

i just dont think oda would put that there , the way he did (the realization on hyogoro's face) without a bigger reason

[ancient vault]

I also remember reading that the katana for IM (sama) look like the ones for buddha

[rugged harbor]

everything directly links back to wano so yeah

[hazy ferry]

what was shank's bounty back then though

[ancient vault]

I didnt come up with this myself but the conclusion was that Im sama is a false god who appears to be a rightful god by having buddha in his name

Goes along with the celestial dragons claiming to be gods

[rugged harbor]

i mean doesnt im sama just represent the devil in the story?

[ancient vault]

how?

[hazy ferry]

dark, shadowy, red eyes, crown that looks like horns

[rugged harbor]

yeah hes depicted as one and described as one just like u said "a false god"

also wouldnt be surprised if he created devil fruits ngl xD

thats why devil fruits come from the show's version of the devil

idk , just me trying to think outside the box @ancient vault cause again i think vegapunk will show up by the end of wano (to retrieve kaido's fruit or whatever) and he will explain the devil fruits for sure

cause we were supposed to have that happen long ago according to an SBS , guess oda just wrote it back at this part of the story since it makes more sense or whatever

[ancient vault]

Oda never mentioned any time he would reveal it. He just said we have to wait for a certain prof (VP) to explain it "... eventually"

I'd be suprised if we find out everything about the DFs in wano alone. I think thats not gonna happen but hes most likely gonna explain certain aspects of it if he actually appears in wano

[dark oasis]

it will prob be at the end of wano, since when kaido is defeated it would signal the nearing of the ending

[rugged harbor]

i mean , give me another arc it would happen at?
we literally only have wano , elbaff and lodestar? (except laughtale i mean)
we're limited by time and if it was to happen i dont think theres a better time than wano

he probably wont reveal everything but enough to answer most of the questions we have

cause rn we know so little about devil fruits even tho we're literally 1017 chapters in xD

[ancient vault]

laugh tale

[rugged harbor]

i mean yeah i guess but im talking about if it was vegapunk to do it

i dont expect vegapunk to be on freakin laugh tale xD

[hazy ferry]

no point in revealing info about a major power source if we dont get enough time to see that power source in action afterall. I would say end of wano or start of elbaf

[rugged harbor]

exactly , what if hes the one to even reveal what the gomu gomu awakening is or how awakening works lmao

that would be a massive power up for luffy which he needs for BB

[stoic hedge]

what was the question here?

[rugged harbor]

that vegapunk is due to appear at some point , we're trying to narrow down when , signs say end of wano

[ancient vault]

The question was because we saw a drawing of luffys fruit

The questioner assumed fruits cant grow back. Meaning the fruit had to exist twice

[rugged harbor]

oh u meant the question in the SBS yeah

it was bc we didnt know fruits grow back after the user dies back then xD

[stoic hedge]

ok

[stoic hedge]

i agree with these there is a pretty high chance that vegapunk will be at end of wano plus there was one interview with someone from onepiece team and they revealed something like the final boss of wano was someone other than kaido so let's see

[rugged harbor]

i mean if i had to theorize the remaining timeline id say its
end of wano = vegapunk appears and explains shit ---> elbaff and lodestar while shanks vs BB happens ---> laugh tale ----> luffy vs BB happens at reverse mountain ---> luffy heads to marie jois while reassembling his fleet to take out the WG ---> end of the show with a massive party as usual

this is based off the theories i find make the most sense btw , i just took all of them and put them together xD

[rugged harbor]

id assume after kaido falls vegapunk will just be there looking for his fruit to do more research bc he found out that momo's experiment worked and wasnt a failure as he thought at first

[stoic hedge]

when did vegapunk found out about momo's fruit working i don't remember that scene or panel?

[rugged harbor]

he didnt , but he probably got the news

we can pretty much safely assume everyone knows ab whats going on in wano

with shield there , cp 0 there , big mom pirates on the way etc...

everyone who can deliver the info to the WG and to the rest of the world is on fuckin wano XD

[pure raven]

When approx. do you all think Luffy will wake up?

[oak mural]

1hr ?lol

[pure raven]

I meant in terms of chapters mb

[oak mural]

we dont know it depends on oda if he wants show other sh vs flying six or yamoto ,luffy vs kaido or law and kid vs big mom

[glad rain]

you gotta see the jinbei v who is who fight then zoro getting up to fight then luffy wakes up

count in any filler information they have to add perhaps

[vestal mirage]

e

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, I still have this fun idea that Vegapunk just explains everything he knows about devil fruits in an entire chapter, giving a presentation, but it turns out some janitor or seaman recruit is standing there. And it was just a practice run for what Vegapunk was going to show his fellow scientists

[whole jewel]

There are multiple things to be taken into account. We can rule out the possibility of multiple devil fruits at one time and I’m willing to explain why. I personally think vegapunk or someone who documents the fruits has the ability to peer into the past or future.

Or perhaps the ability to look into the past of the deceased because there are cases where we wonder how they could ever get ahold of that info or where they store it.

The thing I’m most curious about is how they’d document the yami yami no mi and then how it fell into the hands of BB. We know Thatch had it but how did he ever get it and it be documented.

Actually now that I think abt it. How did Kaido lose the mane mane no mi and barri barri no mi

He should know about harvesting devil fruits and where they go or he didn’t care

But then that begs the question how does it end up with bonclay and Bartolommeo when they weren’t even near wano.

[grim stone]

Could this be linked to the group fleeing wano back then, had a hold of the fruits. Realized it would be best to keep it away from enemy hands and took it with them.

But didn't hold them long enough throughout the journey, and dropped it off in random places.

We don't know how long was it before the current users had the fruit

[pure raven]

so it is confirmed that vegapunk will be absolutely making an appearance then? also what do you guys think about vega's identity, like he (or even a she or they) are a known character or just oda hiding their identity for suspense

[whole jewel]

I think vegapunk is someone who doesn’t necessarily like the WG but uses them for resources and mutual gains I think if they meet the straw hats they will be chill

[whole jewel]

Possibly I think all of the info that Toki had is stored at laugh tale and we’ll get the full story there about their history and then the explanation of what they actually are from Vega

I’m curious to see how oda explains it all especially in the interview

Cause we know for fact there is no way to have two devil fruits at the same time as Toki’s fruit would have a paradox so I believe Vega or one of the researchers has an unrevealed power

[mortal field]

like how Ceasar did Big Mom?

[whole jewel]

P much but with better morals than ceaser lol

[mortal field]

what im more interested in is 3 things from Wano. the GGF, the science group Queen was in, and the race King is

cause their could be a chance that MADs is a group that Vegapunk was possibly part of. making a cyborg is pretty out there and Franky was able to improve himself by using blueprints left on the winter island he was sent too.

im sure Queen was one of the first people he tried it on to see the effect of it on certain devil fruit users.

[formal igloo]

ok i just finished watching One Piece Episode 980, for those saying carrot will not join the straw hats, i say please look closely in this episode how close she is with everyone and on the ship as if she is a 100% straw hat

i mean please stop saying carrot will not join, Episode 980 really made me understand that carrot will join 100%

thank you Toei for making it soo clear

[mortal field]

in that same logic, the akazaya 9 will join Law group, since they're on his ship

she just happens to be stuck with them during that time

im not saying there isnt a chance she wont join, but i doubt it

[formal igloo]

its not about being on the ship, its about how she is on screen in most scenes, even when they were showing you how excited the Straw hats were when they saw jimbei, she was there in the scene along with zues

Reading Manga is great, but Anime will always be better, for One Piece at least

[mortal field]

i mean, Jimbei saved her from the Big Mom Pirates

i'd be happy too if i saw him again

[formal igloo]

sigh, alright

doubts doubts and doubts, even tho its soo clear

i knew that she will be a straw hat since Zou, how Oda gave us that big hint when she asked luffy to join but luffy didnt pay attention cause he was busy gathering food for the journy to Whole Cake island

but ya, go ahead and doubt it lool

[mortal field]

Dawg its a fictional female anthro bunny, ya life aint on the line for thinking she's gonna be a strawhat

[formal igloo]

just like how some people were doubting yamato joining, and the manga shut them up

will see when Wano ends 🙂

[mortal field]

i doubt Yamato gonna join

[formal igloo]

i think you are here to doubt everything lol

[mortal field]

naw im open to things, but it just wouldnt make sense to me

[formal igloo]

everything and anything lol, this is going no where, will see when Wano arc ends

[pure raven]

luffy is definitely gay bc he spoke to a man before

[mortal field]

like i feel like Yamato is gonna rule the AKP and make a treaty with Luffy, all he said is he plan to sail with Luffy. just like how Oden means freedom to Yamato, Luffy also means freedom to him as well

[formal igloo]

dude

Luffy = Roger
Yamato = Oden
Carrot = Nekomamushi and dogstorm

History is repeating itself

[mortal field]

the fact that you typed out Catviper name like that scares me

[formal igloo]

Carrot sneaked into the ship like they Neko and dog did
Oden sailed the sea with roger and yamato will do so with luffy
and Luffy is soo much like roger in many ways like its crazy, loved the hints

[outer locust]

That’s his name isn’t it

[mortal field]

it is, but i never saw someone type out his name in romanji.. i think thats how its spelt

[formal igloo]

it is his name, but i dont know how Justcallmehi read the manga or watch the anime lol ...

[outer locust]

Oh ok

[pure raven]

cap

[formal igloo]

but there must always be people who cant see thro stuff, like you bro, but i wish to see your reaction when Wano arc ends and both yamato and Carrot join officialy

ill remember your name only for that time when it happens

[pure raven]

Luffy = Douglas Bullet Chopper = Oden Robin = Nekomamushi

[outer locust]

Hmmmm

[mortal field]

and if they join thats cool, thats the fun part about theories. people can have different ones and talk about them. just like i see Yamato ruling the AKP, you see Yamato joining the strawhat

[formal igloo]

i started to doubt people in this chat soo much.... i feel like they are either complete trolls or just cant understand the anime / manga hahaha

[pure raven]

I finished one piece

[formal igloo]

AKP ?

[pure raven]

I'm on chapter 3121.....

[mortal field]

like example, i think Big Mom and Kaido are gonna die this arc, AKP equal Animal Kingdom Pirates

[outer locust]

You think bm will die

[pure raven]

I'm oda's son bro he hooked me up with chapter 1-3121

[outer locust]

It wasn’t their goal to kill bm anyway

Only kaido

[formal igloo]

AKP will either retreat with Kaido, or disband mostly, Wano will be ruled by momo supported by the 9 Akazaya, Yamato joins the straw hats and sail the see freely

[mortal field]

i know, CP0 will kill them

[upbeat vector]

Any theories on luffys fruit

[mortal field]

the fruit has more to it than what meets the eye

[pure raven]

yeah his gear 5th will enlargen all body parts including his 3rd leg

[upbeat vector]

And the whole who’s who’s thing

[formal igloo]

i mean thought it might be Roger's Fruit but it just cant be cause others from the old generation like Sengoku, Big mom, kaido or whitebeard wouldve noticed and said somthing about it

[upbeat vector]

Yeah I agree

[formal igloo]

so maybe its a fruit of Joyboy back in the void century ? possible

[mortal field]

im think all the 9 akazaya are gonna die

[upbeat vector]

Maybe it’s the fruit of an past admiral?

[mortal field]

like maybe 2 at most are gonna live

[pure raven]

roger's fruit should be in my opinion a mythical zoan or a special paramecia

[formal igloo]

but also why i thought it might be Roger's fruit is cause rubber in real life dosnt last for long, so maybe the disease roger had is from the Gomu Gomu no mi, but ya like i said no one said anything to luffy like ( oh so you use Roger's Fruit or somthing ) i can imagine big mom saying that if thats the case

[formal igloo]

Mythical Zoan dont think so at all, Paramecia yes very possible

[rugged harbor]

history repeats itself innit

[mortal field]

thats the same thing i thought of when people said it could be Rocks fruit

[crimson geyser]

i think carrot, otama, and yamato will join

after wano

[mortal field]

if its Roger then Garp wouldve mentioned it, then again im not sure

[formal igloo]

ya man ! absolutely

[rugged harbor]

pretty hard to believe

[upbeat vector]

Maybe

[rugged harbor]

carrot , maybe
yamato? for sure
otama? fuck no

[formal igloo]

agree

[crimson geyser]

tama because of ace's promise

[upbeat vector]

Honestly oda is really good at making it so everyone in the OP world is in the know of shit aside from the reader

[rugged harbor]

only promise we have for otama rn from luffy is that he said she will be able to eat freely on daily basis not just on her bday

[formal igloo]

Tama might become an apprentice ? like Buggy and Shanks ? hmmm maybe

[rugged harbor]

he has 0 interest in letting her sail with him

[weary cliff]

Tama just peaked. She has nothing to offer any future fights

[ancient vault]

greatest miss of all time

[formal igloo]

agree man, and honestly i dont want kids joining the crew, but Roger had Kids (buggy and shanks) so kinda possible

[rugged harbor]

exactly , also luffy saying she will be able to eat on daily basis just shows that she will stay on wano from luffy's words

[crimson geyser]

you don't know that and if she doesn't go with luffy who else will she go with?

[rugged harbor]

she stays on wano lmao

[ancient vault]

and he already denied yamato

[crimson geyser]

nah she goin

[rugged harbor]

she doesnt have to go anywhere , why does she , shes literally like fuckin 7

[weary cliff]

She needs to train with Shinobu to be a splendid kunoicho

[formal igloo]

stay with momo in wano, grow up together and get married haha , the End

[ancient vault]

tama is coming whether u like it or not
She still got a time inconsistency

[crimson geyser]

shanks and buggy was young when he was with roger tho

[ancient vault]

@dark palm see this is why I need weirdshanks

[formal igloo]

as an apprentice, kinda possible, maaaaybe'

[rugged harbor]

yeah tama's dream is to be a kunoichi not to sail lmao

[ancient vault]

zoros dream is to be the best sowrdsman not to sail

[mortal field]

doubt Tama gonna join, there's no reason for her to

[formal igloo]

thats true, which is most likely she wont be coming

[crimson geyser]

she wants to tho

[ancient vault]

she wants to leave. Just read the ace flashback lol

[formal igloo]

yeah

[rugged harbor]

but how does sailing have anything to do with ninja stuff , swordsmen have smth atleast
also she wants to leave bc living on wano is hell not bc she wants to sail , which luffy promised her to change

[zinc iris]

there are so many that want to leave lol

[mortal field]

i watched the flashback but ig ill give it a read whats the chapter

[zinc iris]

but some are conditioned on kaido's oppression so they might feel less compelled once wano is freed from him

[formal igloo]

i say yamato and carrot joining, and that will be it

[rugged harbor]

and carrot is still iffy aswell lmao

[formal igloo]

i mean Jimbei is still a very new member, and adding 2 more, that will be like enough for real

[weary cliff]

It doesnt matter that Tama will eventually sail away, that's epilogue shit. She has zero place on the crew

[zinc iris]

I'm still waiting for carrot to do something because it's almost impossible Oda will just leave her there defeated by perospero

[rugged harbor]

luffy barely adds crew members he doesnt go around fuckin throwing everyone on his ship
his crew is only people he thinks are critical for his dream

[zinc iris]

but a lot of occasions to matter have happened

[ancient vault]

We cant have ninjas on the crew?

[formal igloo]

totally agree

[ancient vault]

Uh yes he does lol
Wtf r u not reading the story

[mortal field]

yea, and Yamato just dont feel like he complete it. maybe he can join as a guide but thats it

[formal igloo]

dont want her to join, but like i said its very possible that she becomes an apprentice

[ancient vault]

Literally nami and co. have to stop him from doing so
Its literally how he invited brook

[mortal field]

damn how the fuck yall typing so fast???

[rugged harbor]

luffy wanted a musician on ship since day 1 tho

[ancient vault]

revenge theory brrr
Still not joining tho

[ancient vault]

he didnt know brook was a musician lol
He just found brook funny

[zinc iris]

whatever

[weary cliff]

Thriller Bark gags aside, he's not actually picking people up left and right. He said it right at the beginning, 10 is enough. We get 1 more

[zinc iris]

I'm falling out of love with one piece because of all the narutisms in the latest chapters

[rugged harbor]

people that think tama will join the crew also are the reason we have theories like evil shanks and crocomom

[crimson geyser]

i think tama, yamato, otoko, momo's will go and become zoro's wife or something, carrot and yamato and they are gonna get a bigger ship

[ancient vault]

it wont happen have trust in oda

[mortal field]

... i'll just keep my shanks theory to myself then

[rugged harbor]

LOL

[crimson geyser]

say it

[zinc iris]

like if the gomu gomu turns out to be some fruit important to the overarching myth instead of just being a stolen valuable for which WW holds a grudge

[rugged harbor]

evil shanks theory , that i just mentioned as a joke

[ancient vault]

but it was said its important to the WG. Have you seen the slave theory?

[weary cliff]

Its probably just very strong. Oda seeding the last major powerup

[mortal field]

i dont think shank is evil, just wants to keep the power in check

[zinc iris]

I haven't seen it

[rugged harbor]

just wants to stop conflicts that would affect him negatively specifically*

[zinc iris]

it shouldn't be that either really
part of the charm is that luffy is not given an OP fruit and had to make the best of it and personal growth

[crimson geyser]

imagine the new modes luffy might get if he gets training from someone who knows about the history of his DF

[ancient vault]

It suggests luffys fruit is nothing special (nothing additional other than the rubber aspects). Its just a CD wanted it for entertainment purposes and well u got the perfect practice tool for ur torture experiments. WW lost it and the CD that wanted it got mad and wanted him gone

[mortal field]

sigh guess i'll look like a dumbass real quick then

[zinc iris]

I like this

[ancient vault]

Also goes into how the CD gon get clapped by the guy who "stole" their fruit

[zinc iris]

tho it reminds me of all the sexual uses of gears that often are joked about

[mortal field]

so my theory kinda go like this.

[rugged harbor]

im leaning more towards the special ability (like ope ope no mi's immortality surgery) theory ngl xD

[ancient vault]

[rugged harbor]

stop talking shit , its canon

[zinc iris]

that's a basic effect, now imagine gear 3 expand dong

[rugged harbor]

[zinc iris]

[weary cliff]

Well the way I see it, Luffy is going to stand at the top of the world anyways. Just makes sense that his fruit, which is obviously his next powerup has more potential than we were let on. It's not a stretch that at least one previous user displayed this and the WG wanted it for their own

[rugged harbor]

i mean it confirms all the uses we can come up with as canon , the world is our oyster now @zinc iris

[zinc iris]

I'd rather have that luffy would have made it even without it or with something equally mundane like the bara bara

[ancient vault]

Wdym bara bara no mi is broken

Barrier >>> 2 yonko attack

[zinc iris]

that's bari bari

[weary cliff]

It's a consequence if the medium. Battle shonen protag is destined to be busted

[ancient vault]

oh whats bara

[zinc iris]

bara bara is buggy

[weary cliff]

If Luffy had the bara bara, that would have a powerup up too

[zinc iris]

there are ways to do it that make it not look like the game was rigged from the start

[ancient vault]

Nuclear fission

[zinc iris]

that should be awakening, splitting other things beyond your body

however the split should be "harmless" not unlike the ope ope's cutting

[weary cliff]

We're well passed that point. Once you introduce a prophecy that the main character will usher the new age, we knew it was always a rigged game. Doesnt make it any less fun of an adventure though

[zinc iris]

in that case OP still saves face by having other possible candidates

like Law could fit a lot of the requirements too

Oden himself talks about an entire new generation anyway

[weary cliff]

Even still there could only be one. Just because the characters dont know for sure it doesn't mean it's not obvious to the reader. And some characters like Yamato even seem to know. Raleigh probably saw it too

[mortal field]

shanks himself is able to walk in Mariejois despite being a well known pirate, the man stopped a whole war from happening right then and there once he arrived. not only that but he's talking to the elder five about a certain pirate. now most would think Blackbeard and be done with it, but its not like Blackbeard isnt known, he just doesnt do anything until its his time to shine. the other 2 emperors arent doing much at the time either. during this time Luffy just became fifth emperor. by doing that he already disturbed the power once in check. not only that but Im is keeping an eye out for both Luffy, Blackbeard, and shirahoshi. this GGF that was stolen was kept underwrappes that the guard WW was possibly put in level 7 of Impel Down, where people are forgotten.

[ancient vault]

why not just split yourself

[zinc iris]

and then die?

[ancient vault]

just revive. Youre can put urself together again. Like lego

[zinc iris]

I doubt the bara bara makes you immune to a nuclear explosion localized within your body that is using your own matter as fuel

[weary cliff]

Wait, are you saying Shanks was warning them about Luffy?

[mortal field]

now with Luffy having to have eaten the fruit and not only that but also be a known pirate, there is a chance that Luffy could be the topic of that discussion.

but most people dont know its true strength because the WG made sure it was dead, and yea thats what i think

[mortal field]

so in other words yea

Also maybe im smoking crack but Shanks made this face

[weary cliff]

Shanks clearly supports Luffy though. That's why he doesnt have an arm lol

He's just excited that Luffy is finally making it

[mortal field]

yea thats true

[ancient vault]

thats what he wants u to think

[mortal field]

but its like, why is he able to talk to the five elders like its nothing??

[ancient vault]

🐀

[weary cliff]

So what was the end goal in that sacrifice

[mortal field]

and what could he talk about, Blackbeard, BM, and Kaido havent done anything to make them talked about. and he knew how important that GGF is to steal it from a government ship protected by CP9

[queen arrow]

he's one of the 4 emperors

[keen portal]

Like it's nothing? He had to sneak in. And the weren't very happy to see him, in the middle of reverie but agreed uneasily. Because he's a reasonable man who holds much influence as a yonko

And not like this is only the first time shanks went to meet an enemy and talk to them.

He went to WB's ship to talk him out of it

[ancient vault]

Its obviously more than that

[weary cliff]

Shanks has a diplomatic reputation, so they didnt toss him out

[queen arrow]

not really

[zinc iris]

nah I think being a yonko was enough, it's not like they would refuse a world power leader knocking at their door

[queen arrow]

he's one of the 4 emperors, and he wanted to talk, so they let him talk

[ancient vault]

theyre not letting kaido or teach into mary joa like that lol
I get the reasonable aspect tho

[mortal field]

the lines in the anime just seem to stick out a bit too much to me.

[rugged harbor]

why wouldnt he when if they do anything it basically means the end of the world lmao

we already saw 1 emperor vs the marines before (marineford) they do not want that to repeat i can promise u that

[queen arrow]

if Kaido wanted to talk and was willing to do it without causing trouble they probably would

[keen portal]

Mareijois is also a very precarious and sensitive place. Now that he sneaked him, they couldn't have refused his request altogether.

You wouldn't want to make a damn yonko mad on your very doorstep with the secret of Im inside your castle.

[ancient vault]

How can they trust him? Shanks most likely had proven to them that he is infact reasonable enough and to be trusted while Kaido wants to wage war any second lol

[weary cliff]

If they paid him literally any respect, maybe. But their indifference goes a long way to dismiss suspicion of any traitor Shanks theories. Because if it was an act, who are they trying to fool except for the reader?

[mortal field]

i see where yall coming from, i do hope im wrong. shanks being hyped up only to switch up would be heartbreaking

[rugged harbor]

exactly , they cant say no to him right there

[ancient vault]

My point is just that Shanks has to have proven to the gorosei (or the world ig) that he is a guy to be trusted. Same reason why sengoku allowed him to take the corpses of Ace and WB and took full responsibility for it im sure

[keen portal]

Woah. I don't think the WG TRUST Shanks. They just heard him out.

[queen arrow]

Shanks has been around for years, he probably has a reputation, and whatever it was it wasn't enough to ease their worries about his meeting with Whitebeard

[ancient vault]

Trust in the sense of he wont start a senseless war in the middle of talking

[ancient vault]

context here @keen portal

[rugged harbor]

they just know he wont start an unecessary war and they wont either so it has nothing to do with trusting him as a person but just trusting the fact that he wont attack them lmao

[ancient vault]

I wont trust KAidos words if he tells me he just wants to talk lmfao

[rugged harbor]

theres a big difference between trusting HIM and trusting HIS WORD

[ancient vault]

just read my other messages i already explained myself

[mortal field]

idk, its weird for them to hear his words out.

then again, shanks been around the block so that wouldnt be outta pocket

[rugged harbor]

was it weird for america and the soviet union to listen to each other and talk during the cold war?

[weary cliff]

None of this means anything about Shanks having ulterior motives. It just paints him as less war mongering than Kaido, which is consistent with literally every time we see him. Shanks barely does anything but try to stop or prevent conflicts

[ancient vault]

Yes thats what I mean. He built up a reputation of some sort that they gained a bit of trust or respect towards him allowing him to speak and hear out his words.
At the end of the day hes still a pirate and all they preach is never trust a pirate so why are they hearing him out and taking his words into consideration

[rugged harbor]

basically same thing but anime edition @mortal field

[mortal field]

aye, when you got missles pointed at Florida i would wanna talk it out too

[rugged harbor]

both sides can start a war and obliterate the whole fuckin planet but they trusted each other not to do it @mortal field , simple as that

[ancient vault]

I didnt say that man Idk if he has ulterior motives. My point was he built up a reputation of some sort that led to the gorosei allowing him to talk to them

[crimson geyser]

so koby is the next garp right?

[mortal field]

i hope so

[rugged harbor]

koby is smart and has observation skills , garp is pure power , they're opposits here

[weary cliff]

Sorry I thought you were defending evil Shanks based off this. Otherwise, it seems like everyone is on that same page

[keen portal]

Yes swrml but the actions that shanks took to cause that gain of reasonable trust doesn't suggest he had any secret dealings with the gorosei or WG prior to this. At least directly.

They could just be the result of all his cumulative actions over the years as a pirate, his relationship with Mihawk etc

[ancient vault]

NOOOOOOOO

lmaaao evil shanks

[mortal field]

they mean as in taking down King of the Pirate

[crimson geyser]

koby is still young lol has alot of ways to go but he's the next garp most def

[rugged harbor]

whenever i read evil shanks all i can hear in my head is "oh no , oh no no no no "

[mortal field]

again i dont think shanks is evil, he just want to keep the power in check

[weary cliff]

I'm partial to former Shichibukai Shanks. That wouldnt feel out of place

[keen portal]

I don't believe he had to have even talked with the gorosei prior to this for them to have a reasonable amount of trust in shanks specifically that he isn't going to wreck mareijois in the middle of talks. Just based on shanks' behaviour previously.

[ancient vault]

But I think if the theory is true that shanks is some sort of guy trying to sustain the balance of the world it could very well be that him and the gorosei share the same goal for different reasons. Thus hearing him out because it can benefit them too

[crimson geyser]

I dont think shanks is evil he's just a nonchalant guy

[weary cliff]

Shanks is most likely goal keeping LT from the wrong people, like BB. Wouldnt be surprised if he had scooped up the last road poneglyph

[keen portal]

Yeah sure. It's very possible their goals align, but only in name of "balance"

Ultimately, what balance the gorosei want and what balance shanks wants might differ. Or how to achieve said balance might differ. Shanks might not agree with the means the WG use.

But on a superficial level you could assume their goal is to have a status quo of balance and peace.

[crimson geyser]

I think Caesar clown will join the straw hats and him and chopper will cure the DF users cant swim curse

[mortal field]

fuck im trying to find out when Fisher freed the slaves

[scenic thicket]

it was before the story

[mortal field]

that can give a hint as to when the Warlord system was put in place

[zinc iris]

caesar will never be accepted, also the swim curse really seems one of those things that are too inherent to the df system to be removed

[ancient vault]

And blackbeard is gonna start the next ragnarok

[compact magnet]

Shanks being evil would be the dumbest thing ever

[crimson geyser]

I think caesar will be accpted

[mortal field]

im just surprised my theory sparked a convo

[ancient vault]

see weirdshanks moment again

[crimson geyser]

Caesar was just doing what he thought he needed to do to surpass vegapunk

he is trying to become the worlds greatest scientist after all

[hollow dock]

I mean, Shanks being evil would be hella fun to see if the story progresses that way

[compact magnet]

No it would just be a dumb plot twist just for the sake of being a plot twist

[weak arrow]

Caesar is never joining the crew under any circumstance

[crimson geyser]

I dont think he will turn out evil tho and benn doesnt seem like the type to do some messed up shit

[compact magnet]

Unless there is some mastermind explanation behind it that would be pretty dumb

[hollow dock]

Lmao that's the thing I'm referring to when saying "if the story progresses that way"

[ancient vault]

thank u

[mortal field]

Boa was 18 when she became a warlord, when she is shown she is 29. Luffy and her have 6 year difference. so Luffy around this time is 12. so there is a chance that shanks joined the possible Warlord system

im guessing 18 cause she became a queen at that age and the WG started to notice her then

[crimson geyser]

what do you guys think is next after this arc?
I think its gonna be a rescue arc for Sabo now

[mortal field]

yea same

[crimson geyser]

luffy might finally talk to his dad lol

[mortal field]

thats why i think BM and Kaido will die this arc

[crimson geyser]

no i think they will be defeated not killed

[mortal field]

i think CP0 will kill them

[rugged harbor]

nope , the straw hats are super deep into the grand line (literally 2-3 islands away from laugh tale) they wont do a fuckin U turn just to go back to the marines lmao
the only way they go to the marines is after laugh tale when they do a whole circle around the globe xD

[crimson geyser]

nah i think they will go back its luffy after all

[mortal field]

i would think that but this is sabo we're talking about

luffy just lost Ace like 2 years ago, i dont think he's gonna wait around

[rugged harbor]

believe whatever u want , personally i dont think a "rescue arc" will happen , atleast not before laugh tale is over with

[hollow dock]

It's time we see Dragon's full potential if it's going to be a Sabo arc, I don't think Straw Hats would be directly involved in the next arc

[crimson geyser]

why would luffy risk his brothers life over something like the one piece?

after he just lost ace?

[rugged harbor]

believe whatever u want , i just dont think it will happen

it will happen during the final war maybe? as an added reason for the war to happen , but before that? hell no

[crimson geyser]

the final arc will probably be Luffy as pirate king with everyone as his side including sabo vs the navy probably

garp will probably die soon

[rugged harbor]

thats more believable to think that its gonna be the revolutionnaries vs the marines to free sabo and after that post laughtale the straw hats catch up or reignite the war

@crimson geyser ure throwing some massive assumptions there with 0 base or manga proof lmao

[crimson geyser]

so are you

[rugged harbor]

"garp will probably die soon" , are u oda's editor or what?

im not giving any assumptions im giving u whats happening in the story rn to show u its very unlikely that what ure saying is happening

[crimson geyser]

you literally said luffy would rather go to laugh tale than save his brother?!?!

[rugged harbor]

ure also contradicting urself , if luffy and the marines clash to free sabo , it will be the final war

there wont be 2 wars lmao , its either he frees sabo and thats the final war or he goes there with his fleet as pirate king and the war happens

[crimson geyser]

no sabo might already die by then

[rugged harbor]

then the final war will happen before laugh tale , which also doesnt make sense bc sabo probably also dies before luffy does a U turn and sails all the way back to the marines by your logic

whats ur point*

magical teleportation doesnt exist brother , they have to sail literally the whole fuckin globe back to reach sabo

[crimson geyser]

the navy knows that luffy and sabo are brothers and sabo is the revolutionary army. why would they let him to the point after luffy is pirate and luffy still has to fight shanks and blackbeard. are you forgetting that?

[rugged harbor]

"luffy has to fight shanks" ???????????????????

[mortal field]

Jesus this argument is makin me lose braincells, while i dont see Luffy stopping to make a U turn, i cant see why he will let his brother die

[crimson geyser]

he doesnt???

[rugged harbor]

aight brother , we done here XDDDDDDDDDDD

[rugged harbor]

u literally just said that hello?

[ancient vault]

they dont have a 6 year diff what. Luffy was 17 pre TS

[mortal field]

Dawg math isnt my strong suit

[crimson geyser]

i'm answering your question with a question since you think they wont fight

[ancient vault]

[rugged harbor]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

shanks is like a fuckin father figure to luffy why does either one ever want to fight the other

no offense but this is the dumbest thing i heard here since chapter came out lmao

this takes evil shanks to a whole other level

[crimson geyser]

your literally not making since why would laugh tale be so close? and yes I think the Red haired pirates will go against the straw hats. it'll be luffy vs shanks and usopp vs his dad and every other fight will line up

[rugged harbor]

???? its literally fuckin 2 islands away confirmed canon , we have elbaf and lodestar left and then the only island that exists after is laugh tale in the middle of nowhere

cba to continue this argument ngl

[crimson geyser]

when was it confirmed?

[ancient vault]

luffy said he wants to take him down so hes gonna (unless he dies before)

[mortal field]

Yea

[weary cliff]

Luffy has shown no reservations about fighting Shanks. Both post PH and post Dressrosa. It just doesn't have to be a grudge, it could just be Luffy showing be can surpass him

[mortal field]

Idk why you think he wont do that, he told Shanks that during Punk Hazard

[ancient vault]

never but well its the common assumption cause the final saga starts after wano and the pace will most likely pick up

[mortal field]

Man deadass said "i cant become Pirate King until i beat them"

[ancient vault]

law*

[rugged harbor]

luffy has no reason to fight shanks unless shanks had a road poneglyph (which he most likely doesnt) or if he had interest in also becoming pirate king which we 100% know he doesnt

[mortal field]

Yea Law, shanks came outta nowhere

[ancient vault]

Lol shanks is a yonko. Ofc he has a reason to fight him

[weary cliff]

He most likely does have the poneglyph too. It's very fitting for his character

[rugged harbor]

sparring isnt considered a "fight"

[crimson geyser]

they will fight I mostly wanna see luffy vs shanks and usopp vs his dad if im being honest

[mortal field]

He told Law "if you said you wanted to fight Shanks first then i wouldnt join, i plan on taking down the Emperors down anyways"

[fiery vine]

Monster point Chopper with haki coating > Crocodile

[ancient vault]

Only reason he wouldnt fight shanks first is because he wants to keep his promise

[crimson geyser]

also i wonder how luffy will do against blackbeard

[fiery vine]

and could be 2nd commander level :D

[ancient vault]

He first defeats a yonko then becomes a great pirate and then he can face shanks

[mortal field]

He'd probably be pissed again

[crimson geyser]

seeing how everything is now, luffy will probably save sabo then another training arc is coming

[fiery vine]

BB / LUFFY

[mortal field]

I hope there's no training arc

[ancient vault]

nah thats not gonna happen

[rugged harbor]

it can technically be just "shanks loses to BB and luffy beats BB thus luffy surpassed shanks" @ancient vault the fight literally has 0 reason to fight unless its for a poneglyph and if it happens it will be in elbaff

[fiery vine]

that would be unessecary

[ancient vault]

Oda is not turning sabo into ace 2.0

[fiery vine]

dont see it happining eother tbh

hope sabo didn't kill cobra at revereie

[ancient vault]

As I've said before luffy will fight shanks as long as hes alive. If shanks dies before that then obviously he cant but the point is. Luffy is planning on fighting and defeating shanks

[rugged harbor]

he plans on fighting and defeating everyone , doesnt mean it will happen or has to happen thats my exact point
some fights literally just have 0 reason to happen

[ancient vault]

Sabo assuming hes even captured will be saved by the revos and not by luffy.

[mortal field]

What type of story is that? If Blackbeard fights Shanks and beat him so Luffy cant fight him thats garbage

[fiery vine]

Interesting

[crimson geyser]

it might

[ancient vault]

its not likely at all

[fiery vine]

might not 😎

[rugged harbor]

@crimson geyser bro , luffy is literally across the globe and 2 islands away from his dream , again why would he ever go back assuming he can make it in time before the execution

[ancient vault]

Proving to shanks that hes now on the same level is a pretty good reason. Another reason is yassop. And another is a potential road poneglyph

[crimson geyser]

2 islands?????????????

[mortal field]

Why wouldnt he??????

[weary cliff]

You're not entirely wrong. Luffy has made several declarations about beating BM and it's entirely possible someone else does first. But the point is Luffy has no qualms about beating Shanks if he has to

[ancient vault]

He would go back if a friend is in need. He already made that clear

[rugged harbor]

cause its easier and faster to continue to laugh tale and then make a fuckin full circle back to the marines ............... thats what ive been saying all day LOL

[fiery vine]

its his brother goddamiy

[mortal field]

ITS HIS FUCKIN BROTHER, HE JUST LOST ONE IN THE SAME FASHION

[ancient vault]

he doesnt care if its faster. Luffy would literally rather die than giving up on a friend especially his brother

[rugged harbor]

im not saying he wont go , im saying GOING BACK makes no sense

[fiery vine]

ofc he would we seen his reaction to when ace was posted for exection so why wouldnt he do the same for sabo?!?!

[ancient vault]

It makes a lot of sense idk how ur not understanding that not going back would be out of character for luffy

[weary cliff]

Consider that the news about Sabo isnt that he's captured

[ancient vault]

he hasnt read it anyways so we good

[mortal field]

Like Luffy just saw his other brother he thought was dead. You think he gonna go "damn, but the OP is so close!"

[fiery vine]

he gonna come for sabo regardless.

[rugged harbor]

more like his own navigator explaining to him that going forward is closer and higher chance to make it in time than it is to go back

[mortal field]

The One Piece could be a whole inch away from him, if he hears that his brother is captured or any of his friends are captured he's gonna run there

[crimson geyser]

nami wouldnt

and you seriously think luffy would listen to nami and not still head back

[ancient vault]

since when could nami ever convince luffy?

[fiery vine]

^ON A STACK

[rugged harbor]

again , im not arguing about that
im not saying luffy wouldnt go , im saying the way he would go that u guys are suggesting doesnt make sense to me considering he has to fuckin sail the whole globe back , backtracking everything he did and risking not even making it in time

[weary cliff]

This is true. It makes sense for Luffys character but not for the overall story. So we can expect something to happen between now and post Wano that changes this situation

[ancient vault]

IT DOESNT NEED SENSE BECAUSE HE WOULD DO IT NO RATIONALIZING NEEDED

[mortal field]

Also i may just be dumb as hell, but how is going forward faster than going back? Mariejois was on the redline and Luffy been passed that area

[rugged harbor]

thank u

[mortal field]

How is going forward where he has to run into Reverse Moutain again faster?

[rugged harbor]

this is what ive been fuckin saying for 30 mins

[fiery vine]

ik but he had to sneck into impel down past ALL sorts of marines he got poisened made his way through freezing cold temperatures and even stood up to the admirals and the whole navy when all ODDS where against him. I definetly feel like he will go back to save sabo

[ancient vault]

How does that matter tho? The entire point is that luffy and the shs would still go back no matter if its a bad decision which shinibi is argueing about. Theres no point in bringing it up because it literally doesnt matter lol

[weary cliff]

The point is it's not going to happen, not that Luffy would choose to forsake Sabo

[ancient vault]

Luffys still not sailing back tho cause the revos are doing it

[fiery vine]

conditions and odds dont matter he does what he feels is right regardless of odds, taking on kaido is a good example/

[weary cliff]

Right

[fiery vine]

impel down marineford, doflamingo etc.

[ancient vault]

He hasnt even heard of it yet and 2 weeks already passed. The revos already made their moves luffy is not needed

[fiery vine]

maybe maybe maybe maybe not idk we just have to see what ODA has in plan!

[mortal field]

Yea this arguing is making my last 3 braincells shoot themselves.

[fiery vine]

that doesn't seem like a manga theory 🤨

my theory is CHOPPER MP HAKI > YONKO

[ancient vault]

serious theories only in this channel

[fiery vine]

VERY serious,

[mortal field]

Yea Chopper got Haki, now Robin needs to learn it

[ancient vault]

Ur gonna get a warning lol

[cyan berry]

@fiery vine last warning you get

[fiery vine]

No i was being serious.

[cyan berry]

keep it serious here

[pure raven]

Please post serious theories only

[fiery vine]

i said i was serious.

[pure raven]

I get pinged at work in this channel so my time to fact-check is limited

[ancient vault]

we warned u just saying

[cyan berry]

all righty move on

[fiery vine]

Robin with coated haki would be pretty cool and interesting considering her DF

[crimson geyser]

Robin would be OP af if she got armament haki

[cyan berry]

robin doesnt really need haki because of her ability

[crimson geyser]

To make her stronger

[cyan berry]

unless her opponent is a logia, which is unlikely, she can pretty much end most opponents she fights

armament haki wont make that much of a difference when you'er snapping a guys neck

[weary cliff]

The fewer strawhats with haki the more interesting they are as a group. I wouldnt mind Robin with shigan but I'm not holding my breath

[crimson geyser]

And her using armament haki would always endure her winning

Usopp has observation but barely

[mortal field]

Yea but if getting your hand cut off via flower transfers to her actual hand then she does need haki

Then again, not everyone needs it. Make the group more nicer to look at

[fiery vine]

wonder if yassop has some seriously good observation considering he is the marksman of the res hairs

[crimson geyser]

Would be nice if each of them had at least one

[cyan berry]

if robin can manage to distract her opponent for even a second then her win is all but guaranteed

[pure raven]

if you think about Sugar's fruit, her awakening would just make the entire surrounding, like an island, into her dollhouse, lego house, etc. and its existence would be erased from people's memory

[fiery vine]

luffys may be where he can make things more elastic or smfn idk

[pure raven]

Do paramecia awakenings only affect people’s surroundings?

Maybe we’ll see something different in the future

[weary cliff]

There's very little exposition, no one knows. Doffy's statement could be read that way. But maybe he was just talking about his own awakening

[pure raven]

The reason I wonder is because paramecia are so diverse compared to the other classes 🤔

[astral marsh]

what do you think luffys next be power up will be (gear 5, awakening, or smth else)

[pure raven]

short explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V429WjfsKs

long explanation: i'm very sure we will see gear 5 that includes like at least a full stat level up; how each form of gear 4 completely levels up 1 stat, this gear 5 will level up all stats at the same time. also there will probably some conqureors coating/ ryou elements in it as well. (watch the mr morj gear 5 video for an explanation of that pretty much) as he says in the video, df awakening won't count as gear 5/ will come later.

[pure raven]

depend really

with Sugar type its would be affecting the surrounding

Doffy would be turning surrounding into the sustenance he creates (spring)

And some like Buggy and others power refinement?

also katakuri mochi

[astral marsh]

enjoyment wise i hope there will be gear 5 and beats kaido but i think beating kaido at 19 is too much

[pure raven]

I don't think Luffy's had enough training to utilize CoC with the rest of his gears to warrant a g5

[astral marsh]

oda would be a god if he did a pre time skip saobody in wano like making them lose and go on anothger timeskip

[pure raven]

like when Luffy got slammed after getting the hang of CoC armament, people are assuming he used G4 + CoC but I'd argue that didn't happen

[weary cliff]

Also Oda needs to hold something back for the final saga. There's so much haki development in Wano already

[arctic adder]

nami probably has haki

[keen pewter]

Im sama is from the 800 year old void

[pure raven]

If that is true that would be possibly the oldest character we’ve seen so far tbh

I would assume someone used laws fruit on them during the void century

[sacred hawk]

If Wano wasn't an isolated country, I'm 100% sure Momonosuke would have been on one of the photos that Im was tearing up

[toxic tundra]

whats a good forum where the theories are stated/discussed - looking for something easier to follow rather than a chat

[pure raven]

Ever notice how the World Government sigil has four circles when the other side has way more?

[pure raven]

i know this is unrelated but i saw this as clash of clans at first lmao, also yeah actually you're quite right. maybe he will train later after wano and be able to include conquerors coating

[pure raven]

what do you mean?

World Government logo:

Kozuki Crest:

Alabasta Crest:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hb39ha/any_other_instances_of_this_symbol/

[ancient vault]

Pinned theories in this channel are written out like an essay. Might wanna check some out there
Other alternatives tho:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/forums/one-piece-theories.7/
https://thrillerbark.com/forums/theory/
And well the OP reddit

[pure raven]

Something that dragged me deeper into this theory was this

We only know of one person from the void century 🤔

Why do her clothes have moons on them

Technically Zunesha was also in the void century

[kindred hollow]

ye

[pure raven]

Zunisha needs to speak up then

He been punished to walk the earth forever

[ancient vault]

her clan

[pure raven]

I think it's fascinating for her

[kindred hollow]

Amatsuki Clan maybe

[pure raven]

Her first words were; she wanted to get to Wano
Then after talking with Oden and having his kids, Oden tells her that the time that she'd actually want to appear in is 20 years from where they were at which implies to me that she was actually misjudging when her powers needed to be used/it wasn't an exact science

so she absolutely knows some shit is gonna go down

but she didn't go because of her love for Oden and settled with helping set up the stages for the 20 years before her time.

Interesting

She messed up 😭

Actually

can someone go back and look up how her powers worked when she was sending Kin'emon and Momo and Kanjuro to the future? Did they appear in the exact same general vicinity as Oden's burning castle or did they appear elsewhere before they escaped and found their way to Punk hazard

cause if her powers only moved her in a rough position of time, then it makes sense to state that she didn't originate/start off in Wano

[ancient vault]

yes in the same

The castle was gone (burned down) obviously cause it was 20 years ago

But the geographical location was the same

[pure raven]

Alright then yea

[strong heath]

basically dragon is the strongest he’s the son of stronger marine who rivalled roger father of future king of pirates he’s the most wanted man also i think he has a thunderbird mythical zoan fruit hence the storm in logue town and why blackbeard talks about him and why jesus burgers spied on him also he’s complety opposing world goverment he has to be strong or he would of been assisted by know he has highest bounty probaly and also sabo can take on admiral imagine him he was probaly a marine who trained with sakazuki and overpowers him shows why sakazuki after luffy so much cause of drsgon being strong and when dragon found out about the governments way he left and tried to create his own army that’s why he lost all ties with garp as he stepped down from navy his strength is prime roger and whitebeard power

[pure raven]

Watch it turn out she came from laugh tale 800 years ago and needed to get to Wano to see what needed to be done cause it was a major event

[strong heath]

do@you rate that theiry

[pure raven]

I agree Dragon is probably like top ten in strength in the series

But Sabo can’t take on an admiral😪come on now

[pure raven]

hmm i'm not good with ratings but i could see it happening, it would fit everything we know so far. will it be true? idk. we have nothing substantial neccesarily on dragon that we absolutely know for sure, and everything that has happened surrounding him can just as easily be chalked off as coincidence. also yeah as @pure raven aint no way sabo can face an admiral come on man

[olive quail]

But he did tho

[lyric dust]

LETS GO MR MORJ O!@IJ!:LKJ:LKJSDF:LKSDJ F:LSIUR LFGGG

[lyric dust]

i dont think burgess knew exactly what he was doing when he boarded the rev army ship

he was fucked and he just got on some random ship from what i remember

turns out, the ship took him to baltigo

[pure raven]

LESGO ANOTHER MORJ SIMP

[lyric dust]

roger isn't hte "father of future king of the pirates" either

unless the grammar is just that shitty im not able to tell if he means roger or dragon

[lyric dust]

only thing i dont enjoy about his content is the raid fail stuff but i liked how he acknowledged that it was getting less likely

[pure raven]

yeah

[toxic tundra]

thanks... reddit is similar to here actually 😂 a lot more spam on reddit lol. but thanks for the links!

[ancient vault]

I think reddit is worse than this server tbh 💀

[lyric dust]

lmao

[pure raven]

yep

[livid pilot]

What is sanji uses his hands for fights, will he be able to beat Zoro?

If*

[tacit veldt]

it's a crane flying encircled by a moon, really. She's Amatsuki, right? Did we ever see their emblem? If anything, the bird might be the symbol of something greater than just the Kozuki clan

[rugged harbor]

what if mike tyson or any boxer used his legs to fight , would it be of any advantage? nah bc they arent trained to use it and so is sanji
his fight style is only revolving around kicks , its not like him not using his hands is him giving himself a disadvantage on purpose, hes just bad with his hands lmao

which is ironic bc hes a chef and chefs are very good with their hands usually xD

[lyric dust]

he is good with his hands

[rugged harbor]

not for fighting tho

[pure raven]

True. Sabo fought Fujitora. Tbh tho that may be the only one he could fight

[olive quail]

He can be, he chooses not to be

[pure raven]

I can’t see Sabo besting any of the top admirals

[olive quail]

He showed his skill with blades when fighting against wanze

[neon shoal]

Anyone believe lucci warning of having two devil fruit will come true

[olive quail]

I think he meant that the danger of taking on two devil fruits should be obvious since one already can be detrimental with weakness to water, basically supporting Blueno's argument

[lucid spindle]

if the devil fruits have actual devils in them, the curse could be more so the 2 devils fighting inside of the person that ate them. if black beard does have multiple minds inside of him, maybe he's immune to the "curse"

[olive quail]

I think it's pretty clear that the literal "devil" idea is simply a myth created by ignorance. Blueno said that and confirmed that scientists have learned a lot about how devil fruits work

[neon shoal]

Buggy sure’s pretty perceptive of blackbeard being “monster”

[pure raven]

Oh really? How do devil fruits work then 😪

[olive quail]

We dont know. The WG does

[neon shoal]

Honestly nobody knows how devil fruits work

[lucid spindle]

eh, just cause they know how the devil fruits work doesnt mean they cant have actual devils in them. maybe vegapunk just figured that out

[olive quail]

Thats like me asking you "how did vegapunk make one"

[pure raven]

Tbh I do not think they do

[olive quail]

Besides im not saying they know everything. They just know enough to disprove the "devil" theory, according to Blueno, a government agent

[pure raven]

Would Blueno have that information?

[weary cliff]

Oda hinted as much in an SBS during Thriller Bark. Also, being able to make a fruit would entail some level of understanding of their general nature

[weary cliff]

Maybe? He is an intelligence officer. The only people more likely to know are the SSG and command

[olive quail]

Yeah also the only hint we have had about actual devils living in the fruits was from Jabra, who was clearly shown to be paranoid and an unreliable source.

Personally i think all devil fruit were manmade, probably during the void century, and the technology to do so was lost in time until Vegapunk rediscovered it. It explains how supposedly naturally occurring fruit can give abilities like turning body parts into human made weapons

[lucid spindle]

idt it would be and actual devil, but more like the fruits have their own will. and that will is transferred into the eater. would explain why almost everyones personality matches their personality on some level. Cause the fruits will changes them

as to the fruits being man made, thats the direction im leaning in. Weapons created during the void century

[pure raven]

I think they were made to counter the WG/CD

Obviously didn’t work 😪

[olive quail]

The personality thing is a narrative thing, rather than an in world effect. Ni one has had their personality changed from a df. Ace was fiery even as a kid, Luffy was still happy-go-lucky, Doffy was still a sociopath who wants power.

[queen arrow]

Jabra is straight up a compulsive liar

[olive quail]

I would hate it if Luffy's personality, which is a major factor in his popularity and why I like him, only existed because he ate a specific devil fruit

[weary cliff]

Perhaps its personality that attracts fruits.. or it's just a narrative thing lol Would he neat to have an in universe reason, though

[olive quail]

About Luffy's df too, I have a guess as to why the WG thought it was so important they jailed Who's Who for losing it. I think that it was the first successful artificial devil fruit the WG made, and losing it set them back on their research.

[pure raven]

Idk we’ve never seen another good artificial fruit have we?

[lucid spindle]

i dont see why losing it would set them back if they already made a successful devil fruit

and how would they know it was successful if no one had eaten it?

[weary cliff]

It was deemed a failure before they lost it. Probably Vegapunk lying though

[pure raven]

Why would he lie ?🤥

[olive quail]

Well technically Momo's df isnt perfect but i dont think we've seen why yet. The only issue is his ability to control it but that can be attributed to Momo's own trauma

[weary cliff]

He doesn't seem to necessarily be supportive of the WG

[queen arrow]

how did you get the conclusion that Luffy's fruit is artificial

how would Who's Who know that Luffy ate the artificial one and not the real one?

[olive quail]

Well i mean its the only gomu gomu no mi

[weary cliff]

Oh my bad for not reading, I thought you were talking about the fake uo uo

[queen arrow]

????

[olive quail]

I mean artificial not as a copy, an original artificial fruit

[queen arrow]

that seems extremely unlikely